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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: Oh, for fuck's sake, are you still alive?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's been like about twenty minutes, so I think

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it's I think it's time we finishes fucking drop bitch.

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Speaker 1: All right, beach, get your popcorn ready, because we've got

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some old school Sword of Scale bullshit coming your way.

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This one's gonna give you a little nostalgia episode pretty

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twenty here we go. We sure do love to talk

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about Florida here. It's kind of my thing, probably because

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that's where all the nutbags go to do their nut baggery.

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But there's another state in this great Union that's a

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haven for psychos, weirdos, and straight up degenerates that are

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looking for a place to hide in plain sight. And no,

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I'm not talking about California. Anchorage is Alaska's largest city,

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but it isn't these sprawling metropolis the Lower forty eight

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might expect. It's a place of contradictions, a city of

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modern industry and glass towers, yet still haunted by the

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lawlessness of the frontier. Here the wilderness isn't just beyond

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the city limits. It lurks in the streets, in the shadows,

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in the hearts of those who hunt. Tourists pass through,

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snapping photos of moose and suburban neighborhoods, never seeing the

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harsher reality beneath the postcard perfect city scape. Anchorage has

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a problem, a problem that thrives on Spinnard's sidewalks, in

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the shadows of the Midtown mall, and in the encampments

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that spread beneath the Glenn Highway overpass. A problem that

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makes victims of the vulnerable, where survival isn't just about

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and enduring the cold, but also the violence that comes

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with being unseen. A problem we've talked about here many times.

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Speaker 5: Homelessness, Alaska native disappearing, gone dead, and then next thing

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you know, if you hear mona.

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Speaker 1: News, the crisis is impossible to ignore. In the winter,

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the cold kills. In the summer, the streets swell with

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the unhoused, people searching for shelter, safety, or simply the

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next moment of peace.

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Speaker 6: And this population is preyed upon by people who want to,

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you know, harm them in some way, taking any resources

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they may have. They're very, very vulnerable population.

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Speaker 1: Among them Alaskan Native people are disproportionately represented. Is that

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what they say represented? It's a nice Karen like way

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to say it when you aren't close to it. It

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severs them from the land their ancestors thrived on and

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leaves them to navigate a city that too often turns

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its back on them. The reasons are many, generational trauma, displacement,

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addiction is a big one, and poverty. But the result

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is the same, a population visible and invisible at the

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same time, ignored until something terrible happens. And in September

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twenty nineteen, something terrible did indeed happen. It started with

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an SD card.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's brilliandad pictures.

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Speaker 8: Okay, so it's got pictures of a homicide. Yeah, okay,

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how do you know that?

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Speaker 3: And where did you find it?

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Speaker 9: I found it on the ground.

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Speaker 2: I thought there was music on it, so I put

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it in my phone see if they had some music

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in it.

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Speaker 7: There was no music on it. Now it was titled

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there's a title on it. It says homicide and it has

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all these pictures of this lady and it shows to

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Mary out hotel.

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Speaker 1: The responding officer arrived at the medical clinic on Lake

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Otis Parkway, where he met Valerie Castler. The call came

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in as a suspicious circumstances report, prompting a quick response

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from law enforcement, but the officer remained objective, neither discounting

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her claim nor fully believing it. You see, the idea

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that someone would find a random SD card with photographic

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evidence of a homicide was far fetched, say the least,

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more far fetched than thinking it was real was the

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idea that whoever took these photos would be careless enough

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to lose them.

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Speaker 9: There's videos on it, and on one of them. He

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even told her. He leaned us in this hotel alive.

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You couldn't end up making me murdering. I was like,

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holy shit.

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Speaker 1: The officer had seen plenty of hoaxes before. He braced

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himself for another, But then the first image loaded. He

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scrolled through the pictures on the SD card. Each photo

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was more gruesome than the last. Very quickly, he started

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to believe every word. Valerie said, this is very disturbing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: The officer didn't let it show, but the videos and

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images on the SD card were some of the most

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disturbing he'd ever seen. He knew this warranted an investigation

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and that detectives would want to speak with Valerie. A

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short time later, she sat down in a small gray

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room at the Anchorage Police Department, where Detective Lee sat

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across from her. The tiny woman wrapped in layers of

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worn clothing into it at long nights in the cold.

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Speaker 10: And how about what address I needed to come talk

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to you?

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Speaker 11: I will I'm homeless. I lived in the rooms by

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shiloh Okay.

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Speaker 1: Her face was lined with exhaustion. She'd spent years navigating

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a system designed to forget women like her, but today

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she was holding something no one could ignore. On the

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night of September twenty eight, twenty nineteen, Valerie Castler was

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walking through Anchorage near the Car's Grocery store on Thirteenth Avenue.

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She often searched the area for discarded items, such as

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broken cell phones, and picked up items she thought had

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a little bit of value. That night, she found a

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small SD card on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a cool life on another sc card.

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Maybe there's more music going because I found him a

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couple of months ago and had like three.

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Speaker 9: Hundred ty my songs on it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, D card was not like the last one.

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Speaker 11: There were no music on that card shows some voice

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shit on there, and it's been freaking me out, okay,

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because I can't seem to get the pictures out.

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Speaker 9: Of my head.

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Speaker 1: The imagees haunted Valerie ever since she saw them. She'd

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been having nightmares. Still detectively needed her to describe what

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she saw.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 2: It showed her in the hotel room on the floor

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and he's beating her up, he's slapping her seph and

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he's talking to.

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Speaker 9: Her the whole time.

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Speaker 2: And then on the videos, you can't see no face.

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He doesn't have no face, but he's his accents is

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like polish, it's foreign.

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Speaker 10: Okay.

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Speaker 3: What was he saying?

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Speaker 2: Some of them would be like, well, this is chapter one,

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like chapter one, chick one.

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Speaker 3: And then there was one where.

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Speaker 2: He says some no, you must want to get murdered

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tonight because you're not leaving this hotel.

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Speaker 9: Because I'm gonna murder you.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: He's like slapping her, fondling her, and.

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Speaker 9: She's not really.

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Speaker 2: Seeing anything. She's not making no noises or anything.

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Speaker 1: Instead of music, Valerie was met with something holy unexpected.

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Actually scrolled through the contents of the card, she saw

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a series of images and videos depicting what can only

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be described as torture and murder.

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Speaker 12: And then the one that I presume that where he

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killed her is he had to sing around her and

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act it looked like a wire or some.

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Speaker 2: And then next year, you know he he it was

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like he crosses them and then you hear this, and

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then it's like she wasn't moving or any anymore or anything.

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Speaker 1: She said she had the card for two days, but

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a couple of reasons kept her from coming to the police. First,

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she was distrustful of them because of her troubled past.

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She didn't want to get into trouble, just trying to

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do the right thing. Second, she wasn't even sure if

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the contents of the SD card were even real. People

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have been known to act out some crazy sexual fantasies.

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Speaker 2: Because it looks like to chill the sound and he's

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got her body in the back.

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Speaker 9: Of the trush.

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Speaker 13: How come he did in college right away when you

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saw it.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I don't know, judge know anything.

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Speaker 3: I'm not alumni.

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Speaker 10: It's just a question week it's gonna come up.

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Speaker 9: I didn't even know if it was real or or okay.

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Speaker 2: Or if Sony was Jesus staging something because I've been

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listening to the news and watching the news, and I

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didn't hear anything on the news about a woman missing,

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or you know, or them finding a body or anything.

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Speaker 9: So I wasn't I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 2: But the more I thought about it, and I couldn't

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go to sleep at night, I was having nightmares. And

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then I started thinking, well, it should be real, you know,

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just because if they haven't found a body doesn't mean

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that it didn't really happen, because it should do.

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Speaker 1: Some Sure, she watched the news and read the papers

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every chance she got, waiting to see the headline body found.

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She hoped she never would. Then she could believe it

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was all fake. But the longer she sat with those

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images in her mind, the more she thought they had

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to be real.

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Speaker 13: And you said you could hear the male's voice, could

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you ever see any part of his body and anything?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 9: No, no face at all?

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Speaker 3: She just feet. What does he look like?

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Speaker 12: There's one on there where he's got his foot on

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her throat, and then there's another one.

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Speaker 2: Where it's just it looks like it's going in the hotel,

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and the hotel floor is like hard word floor.

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Speaker 9: And he's got like a pair of few.

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Speaker 2: Shoes or slippers or something. Okay, but why you hear

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his his voice and he's talking to her, just rambling on,

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you know, and then there's parts in there where Oh, bitch,

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you get your ass feet because you can drink all

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my alcohol. Bitch, I gotta go find another bitch because

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you're a viet non cooperative that she never moved.

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Speaker 1: In the videos, a man with an unfamiliar accent is

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seen beating, berating, and torturing a woman in a hotel room.

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The woman is completely naked and seemingly unconscious. Her face

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is swollen, her lips are bruised and purple. Her left

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eye is swollen shut with blood trickling from under the lid.

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The man calls her names and stands on her neck,

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all while filming it, seemingly for an audience.

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Speaker 13: Can you describe the female play for race slush in

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the way?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Do you think she was?

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It looks like she has.

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Speaker 1: Because she's Valerie didn't know the woman, not that she

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could have recognized her with all the swelling anyway. The

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only elites were a strange accent, an accidental photo of

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the man's shoes, and the photo of his truck.

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Speaker 2: All I want to know is when you do guys

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find it out? Can you let me know?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I can, Yeah, I can let you know

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kind of.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to know her name if you find out

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who she is, because you know, she's finally related.

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Speaker 9: She is somebody out there that I know.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 1: Y SD card showed everything, the torture, the suffering, the

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final moments of a woman's life, but it didn't show

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her name. She wasn't in any of the missing persons reports.

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No one was looking for her. The investigation had hit

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a dead end until the US Marshal recognized her face, battered, swollen,

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but familiar. He reached out to a corrections officer at

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Highland Mountain Correctional Facility for confirmation she had been processed

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there before. Her name was Kathleen Henry. She was thirty

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years old, five foot three, with long black hair. Like Valerie,

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she had spent years trapped in a rotation of homeless shelters, streets,

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and survival. Her family last saw her in August at

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a shelter. After that, she was seen in Fairview, a

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rough part of town where Anchorage's homeless gathered. She was struggling,

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but she was alive. Then she wasn't. On October tewod,

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nearly a month after her murder, railroad workers made a

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grisly discovery. Kathleen's remains were found near mile one oh

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eight of the Seward Highway. Her body was already decomposed,

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partially taken by the wilderness. Animals had scattered her remains.

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Her fingers and toes were missing, her left foot was gone.

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A red bag sat nearby, tangled with strands of her

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long black hair and scalp. Kathleen Henry's life didn't end

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the day she was murdered. It ended long before that,

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when the world stopped seeing her. Her death was the

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inevitable result of broken system, one that cycles vulnerable women

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through jails and shelters but never offers them a way out,

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a system where the unhoused commit crimes of survival, shoplifting

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for food, sleeping in abandoned buildings, resorting to prostitution, yeah

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not sex work, prostitution well, predators hunt them in the shadows.

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She was one of the many lost, forgotten, and disposable

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in the eyes of society, and the terrifying truth is

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there are countless others like her. Look around, how many

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more Kathleen Henry's are out there right now waiting to

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be found. The Anchorage police found themselves in possession of

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an SD card with evidence of murder. The videos showed

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the final moments of Kathleen Henry's life, but they didn't

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show the man behind the camera, and without a suspect,

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all the evidence in the world meant nothing. Police knew

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Kathleen hadn't just disappeared, she had been erased. There is

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no missing persons report, no family is searching for. Only

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the system recognized her because it had seen too many

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women like her before, processed, incarcerated, relief forgotten. And that

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wasn't unusual. Indigenous women in Alaska are murdered at rates

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ten times higher than the national average. When homelessness is

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added to the equation, the risks multiply. Kathleen's body confirmed

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what they already knew. Now they needed to find the

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man who put her there, and the SD card was

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about to give them their first clue. When homicide detective

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David Cordy was assigned to the case, he didn't immediately

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know why the case seemed so familiar, but after reviewing

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the videos. He started to recognize the man's method of violence,

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the control, the torture, the strangling. Kathleen Henry's murder wasn't random.

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It wasn't a heat of the moment crime. It was planned, controlled, performed.

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The footage ested that the man behind the camera had

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done this before. A year earlier, Detective Cordy worked on

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another case where a woman reported that her boyfriend had

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dark and disturbing sexual fantasies. At first, she was into it.

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Speaker 9: I like rough sets.

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Speaker 14: If you put your hand on my neck, I like

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that you can press down a little bit. Dusk did

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try to kill me on and break your nose, your nosing, and.

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Speaker 9: He did a little too far.

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Speaker 1: A couple of days ago, Alicia Youngblood, an Alaskan native,

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met this married man at work and before long started

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seeing him. It was a sexually charged relationship from the start.

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They shared taboo fantasies and rough sex scenarios. Alicia thought

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it was innocent role play until he shared a video clip.

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Speaker 9: He told me he killed her two or three days ago.

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Speaker 14: He showed me the video until last night, and then

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the pictures. The pictures are her breast and she's grabbing

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them so hard. I mean, like really hard that they're

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coming up and they're they're what is that called fatiguing

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and veined, and he's got them so hard that the

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blood is pulling.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't the SD card. This was a year before

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Valerie Castler would make her discovery.

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Speaker 14: He said he was standing over her like this and

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he felt like a a hunter standing over his kill,

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like a lion over zebra. And he said he just

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sat there and puffed his chest out, and he just felt.

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Speaker 9: So in power.

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Speaker 14: I keep seeing him over and over doing that to

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that girl, and I could hear her bodily fluids as

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he's scamming, you know, and he's slapping down on her legs,

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and you know, she's just so lifeless. That could have

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been any of our little girls that he thought it

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was okay to fish.

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Speaker 9: He's dead.

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Speaker 3: Him showing you this video is that kind of his?

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Does he his rocks off that? Or did anyone to

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have sex with you?

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Speaker 14: Is? Yeah? He would tell you with me okay, And

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I had to pretend like I liked it.

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Speaker 3: Did he say why.

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Speaker 9: He did it to us? To release anger, to vent

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to get it out of you?

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Speaker 1: He showed her pictures and videos of a woman who

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looked dead. He wasn't just into rough sex. He claimed

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he killed her.

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Speaker 9: And he just looked at me and.

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Speaker 14: He's like, you know, I I kicked her real hard

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in her pussy, trying to break her bone so I

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could get that whole fist in there. But that bone

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is tough. He's like, you would not believe how how

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tough a pubic bone is. He said, I put my

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foot lay up in there, and I was like, oh yeah.

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Speaker 9: He's like yeah.

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Speaker 14: He said that when she died, everything released, she pooved

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or whatever, and her opened up, he said it, and

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he he's he made his mouth like this, and he

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grabbed my finger and he said I just would have

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felt like okay, So wouldn't y'all believe him if you

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were on the other side of this.

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Speaker 8: Wine needs you to believe that he's inside her after

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she passed.

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Speaker 3: That is that what you're saying is.

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Speaker 9: That, yeah, he was fit with our hands.

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Speaker 14: He said he didn't put his penis center, but a

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water bottle his hands.

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Speaker 9: He said he we got butter out of the fridge

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and put.

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Speaker 14: That helps my two fingerprints and helps him get his

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hand in there because he wants to put fist in there, so.

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Speaker 3: He got butter out of the fridge.

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Speaker 14: The water bottle I didn't see, but I did ask him, like,

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why are your hands so shiny?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 9: He's like, that's butter. I got better.

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Speaker 1: As soon as she saw the images, she tensed up.

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Speaker 9: You have to understand just weave and goes in love

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with this smith.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly all her love for this man was replaced with fear.

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But she couldn't let him know that, so she kept

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playing along, as I haven't do things to me.

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Speaker 14: That proved my loyalty and trust. Does that make sense sexually?

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Like put myself in a position that made me vulnerable

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and he thinks that because I've done that that I

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trust him, and now he trusts me. And hey, you're

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about to see these text messages. I want you to

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remember that I am playing into this. I am not

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a sick person. I am not enjoying any of what

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I told him.

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Speaker 1: She thought they were indulging in taboo fantasies, but as

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soon as he showed her how far he was willing

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to go, Alicia got scared, but she was on his

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good side, bonded through the kinky sex, so she kept

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playing along for her safety. She faked jealousy. She scolded

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him for being with another woman. Even if he did

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kill her, he now had to make it up to her.

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Alicia told him he wasn't allowed to do this again

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unless she was there too. So you are role playing

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into the park and you would like to be part

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of this next event?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and his ultimate fantasy at this point. Okay, then

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I'm telling.

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Speaker 8: You when it comes to sexual drives, and tell you

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what this man has.

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Speaker 14: I've never seen anyone and maybe a fourteen year old boy,

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but who cannot quit playing with his self. I mean

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he's his every waking moment is about says, and really,

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you know, I knew he had fetishes.

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Speaker 3: Is he sadistic? Does he like pain and torture on people?

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Or does he just yes?

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Speaker 1: Alicia believed what he showed her was real and it

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scared the shit out of her. She played along, but

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not just for her safety. She wanted proof so she

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could go straight to the cops. Unfortunately, she didn't have

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copies of the images or the video. All she had

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were some filthy text conversations that didn't prove anything.

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Speaker 9: I know what I saw is reel.

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Speaker 14: It had been better, but I saw his face, you know,

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but I know what I saw is reel and I

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know that him telling me about it Israel.

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Speaker 9: Apparently there's other clips. I believe you almost one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I never believe everybody one hundred percent.

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Speaker 15: Never.

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Speaker 8: I haven't met a person on a Platt's one hundred

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percent troot ball tea.

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Speaker 16: But right now, as far as concrete, fracts and evidence.

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Speaker 10: We have very little.

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Speaker 3: We have your text message, accid.

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Speaker 10: We need more.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So if he is lying to me and this is awful, sit,

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he's good. But I don't think he's lying.

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Speaker 14: That's what he's South African, Okay, Yeah, but you all

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have a British accent, heavy heavy British accent.

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Speaker 9: Remember I talked to you. Had it really?

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Speaker 14: Me and him have great time together. I mean others didn't.

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In fact, that she's a serial killer.

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Speaker 9: He's a funny guy. We cruck each other up all day.

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Speaker 1: Her story was disturbing, but there was no proof of

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a crime being committed. The images he showed her could

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have come from anywhere. The Internet is, after all, a

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big scary place. The detective Cordy's surprise, she called him

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the very next day, claiming her boyfriend showed her where

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he dumped the body. The site was far from town,

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hidden in a small clearing in the woods off the

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main road. When they arrived, there wasn't a body there.

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Alicia said her boyfriend thought maybe a bear had taken it,

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since it had been there for a long time. Detective

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Cordy found this unlikely, but followed Alicia as she tried

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to find the landmarks from the pictures. They searched for

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a while, but didn't see anything or smell any decomposition.

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If there was a body, it was gone, or maybe

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the guy was just making the whole thing up for

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some disturbing story fun time. Alicia hoped the murder was

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just a fantasy, but she feared it was real. Detective

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Cordy needed more evidence, though, He returned to the site

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with cadaver dogs and checked her boyfriend's phone data. The

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cadaver dogs found nothing, and the phone record showed her

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boyfriend was not near the site on that day, the

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day she said he dumped the body. The conversations between

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Alicia and her boyfriend seemed to be role play fantasies,

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dark ones, but still just fantasies. No body, no crime.

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A year later, Detective Cordy doubted that assumption. Now he

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had an st card with photos and videos matching Alicia's account.

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Her boyfriend, Brian Stephen Smith, was South African immigrant, had

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a thick accent like Valerie described, and drove a black

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Ford Ranger just like the one in one of the videos.

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Detective Cordy looked up Brian Smith's DMV records. The video

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showed the partial plate number eight seven, which matched Brian's

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plate number FSL eight seven eight. But one thing was

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bugging him.

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Speaker 10: If it's any other way you found it, I don't

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really care.

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Speaker 13: I just we need to know the truth because this

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is a obviously you saw what.

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Speaker 2: I found it on the ground. Honest to god, I

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found it on the ground.

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Speaker 5: We're not worried about anything other than where the card game.

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Speaker 9: Okay, that guy picked me up.

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Speaker 17: That night, Okay, guy in the videos.

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Speaker 5: Yeah he picked me up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, can you tell me about that?

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Speaker 9: You picked me up?

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Speaker 17: I was on my way home.

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Speaker 9: It was he picked me up. He wanted to do

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a date.

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Speaker 7: He's went to the show ron on me to the

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Shill station and it was in his car on his

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dash and I just picked it up.

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Speaker 2: That's how I got it.

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Speaker 1: Valerie hadn't told the truth at first, not just because

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of the prostitution and theft, but because women like her,

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homeless and struggling with addiction, knew how easily they could

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be ignored or punished instead of helped. Kathleen had disappeared

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without notice, and Valerie was afraid that this might be

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her fate as well. But with a murderer on the loose,

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the cops didn't care about her past. They just needed

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to stop him.

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Speaker 7: He's white on he's got short, short hair.

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Speaker 2: And it's like a grayish white.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, what kind of vehicle was he?

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Speaker 2: It was a black truck. It was a black truck.

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Speaker 7: And like the camper, like how I described the camper,

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and it was a white camper.

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Speaker 1: Valerie's full truth confirmed the detective's suspicions. Brian Smith was

477
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their guy. Quickly, the police coordinated with the FBI and

478
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,000
Homeland Security to track him down. They found him on

479
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vacation in Washington, d C. Of all places, with his

480
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wife in tow. His scheduled return to Anchorage was on

481
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October eighth. A multi agency operation was set up and

482
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plans were made to simultaneously serve search warrants on Brian's person, house, truck,

483
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and workplace. He was arrested as soon as he stepped

484
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up to the baggage claim. At the same time, detectives

485
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were in DC confronting his wife. As soon as poor

486
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,960
Stephanie Bislin stepped out of a local restaurant, she was

487
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:05,000
greeted by local detectives and detectives from Anchorage. She asked

488
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for their credentials, as everyone should, by the way, and

489
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then agreed to talk.

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Speaker 18: So, so the things that we would like to talk

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to you about involved your husband.

492
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Speaker 9: Perhaps he did just become a citizen, and.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was.

494
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Speaker 9: Stephany should know it was. I think the friday before

495
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we came down here.

496
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Speaker 2: It was so yeah, So he he's his.

497
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Speaker 11: Truck was broken into, kind of took his.

498
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Speaker 9: Bracefist that had all his South African documents. So that's

499
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where he's from. Yah, South Africa. Where did you guys

500
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:54,440
meet in South Africa playing a game? Have you mest

501
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,200
playing a game?

502
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Stephanie met Brian Smith online. He was twenty three

503
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,759
years younger than her. They played a game called Realm

504
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:08,680
of Empires together and hit it off. He managed a

505
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,039
small hotel in his home country, and his accent gave

506
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:17,720
him somewhat of a die ant. Would mystique flash forward

507
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,519
to the present. They had been married for five years

508
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,559
and Brian had just gotten his US citizenship?

509
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Speaker 9: Are we taving aria? Is that who you're wanting to

510
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,920
talk about? Yes? So did you guys ever? Do you

511
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,920
guys ever? Have your moments?

512
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Speaker 18: I think every relationship, right, every marriage has your moments?

513
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 19: Right?

514
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,039
Speaker 9: How are those? How would you describe them? Excuse me?

515
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 11: He tends to slam.

516
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:48,119
Speaker 1: He'll get and he might leave, and then he'll go back,

517
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,400
you know where he's calmed out.

518
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 18: Has he Has he ever threatened you or been or

519
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,200
made you feel unsafe in any way?

520
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,359
Speaker 9: I have a foidure a couple of times.

521
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 11: The reason that he left was he was getting so

522
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,640
mad that he might so he left and they're talking about.

523
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,519
Speaker 9: It, then he might hit me.

524
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: She revealed that Brian had a bit of a temper,

525
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but was never violent with her. He would leave rather

526
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,160
than argue. The only thing is sometimes he would leave

527
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,519
for several days without a word.

528
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Speaker 18: Do you know if he happened to go up to

529
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or go out of town or do something around the

530
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,559
first part of September, Can you tell me more?

531
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Speaker 14: So?

532
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Speaker 18: There are some concerns that we have that he may

533
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,079
or may not be involved with, and so I'm just

534
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,319
trying to, okay, find out.

535
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,359
Speaker 9: You know, we had a fight. I don't remember exactly

536
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,799
what it was. So he was on for four days.

537
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: She answered their questions slowly, realizing the situation was way

538
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more serious than they were letting on. Questions became more personal,

539
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,400
and Stephanie felt a sense of fear as she wondered

540
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,440
what this was all about.

541
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Speaker 9: Can I ask you something really personal?

542
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 10: How's the sex?

543
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 9: None for a long time? Okay? Like what's a long time? Movies?

544
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:17,199
Two years?

545
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 17: Okay?

546
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 9: And there wasn't a lot anyway?

547
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: Okay?

548
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 15: Is and why is that?

549
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:31,559
Speaker 9: I think I think he thinks he was hurting me

550
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,800
because he's heavy. I didn't think anybody told him.

551
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: How to be with a girl, that's for damn sure.

552
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,599
Speaker 9: Did somebody say that he did something special? There are

553
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:51,760
reports that he may have hurt some women. Really an

554
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,760
Anchorage an angriage.

555
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,119
Speaker 18: Did you ever feel like he may have been cheating

556
00:34:58,159 --> 00:34:59,159
on you?

557
00:34:59,199 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: No?

558
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,679
Speaker 10: Okay?

559
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 18: So your husband right now is being interviewed in Anchorage

560
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:12,199
by police detectives and he is being.

561
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Speaker 9: Arrested for homicide. No, I'm a woman. I'm sorry that

562
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,000
I had to be the one to tell you this.

563
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,159
Was it in my house when I was out? Was

564
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:30,239
it Alabar? Was it on a workforce? Was it on

565
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,239
the side of the road?

566
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 20: What I want to know?

567
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Stephanie seemed to be entirely in the dark about Brian's

568
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:43,280
extramarital activities. She sat there stunned at the news the

569
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,360
man she had fallen in love with, helped immigrate to

570
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,000
the US, married, and had been on vacation with, had

571
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,599
been accused of murdering a woman. She couldn't reconcile what

572
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:59,119
they were saying against the man she knew. She was

573
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,960
utterly dumbfounded. Well, the seriousness of the matter sank in

574
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:08,440
for Stephanie. Brian was just then sitting down with detectives.

575
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:13,280
Brian was an unassuming man, of average height, maybe a

576
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,440
little shorter, and he had short, graying hair. He had

577
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,599
a large nose and a mouth that seemed to be

578
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:25,599
in a perpetual frown. His eyes were trusting, except when

579
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:29,360
he furled his brow. Then there was a sense of

580
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,559
the untamed behind his eyes.

581
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Speaker 13: So like I said, we have some we have some

582
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,400
matters we need to clear up with you, and I

583
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,440
just wanted to ask you if you have any any idea,

584
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:38,960
any thought in your head about what we might.

585
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 10: Want to talk to you today about.

586
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: No, my truck was broken into.

587
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 13: The thing we need to talk about is recently some

588
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,039
property was brought to APD, and we have to I

589
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,000
was given that property as a little SD card. I

590
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,039
viewed the images and the videos on that SD card. Yeah,

591
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,920
and that's obviously it led. That's how I got to you.

592
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,320
That's how I figured out who you are, Okay, and

593
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,480
that's what that's what we need to We need to

594
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:05,760
clear up that matter.

595
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 10: What's on that SD card?

596
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: Okay, what's on the called?

597
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: The card showed a picture of his truck outside the

598
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,679
Midtown Marriott. He admitted that it was his truck on

599
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,559
the card. He might have used it for something, but

600
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,320
he didn't know what they were getting at. So detectives

601
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,039
asked how often he stayed at the Marriott.

602
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, probably a month or two.

603
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 16: I had a fact of my life and I went

604
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:34,360
and stated it.

605
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 21: And Marriott, Yeah, so what about what day do you

606
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,480
think that was?

607
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 9: Okay?

608
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,599
Speaker 10: And how many How many knights did you rent them?

609
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:46,960
Do you have to as an employee? Do you have

610
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,360
to rent the room or how does that work?

611
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:49,599
Speaker 3: The room?

612
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:50,199
Speaker 9: Yeah? Okay?

613
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:51,559
Speaker 10: How many NICs did you rent the room for?

614
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:54,599
Speaker 3: Probably about two nights?

615
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 9: Yeah?

616
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: What was your eve name?

617
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 9: Like?

618
00:37:59,360 --> 00:37:59,639
Speaker 17: Well, I.

619
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,199
Speaker 3: Also falk with you off. You usually drink a hell

620
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,440
of a lot, so it didn't involve quite a bit

621
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,400
of alcohol. So okay, did you go anywhere?

622
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 21: I probably would have driven around a bit, going in

623
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,960
put some food and stuff.

624
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,639
Speaker 13: Okay, did you meet up with anybody, talk to anybody?

625
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 3: I probably would have.

626
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:25,639
Speaker 16: Yeah, between us, I have been known to sometimes go

627
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,480
out and find a.

628
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: Companion, you know. Okay, did you do that anything that

629
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,440
particular night? I probably did.

630
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 13: And I told you I viewed everything on the SD

631
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,719
card and I did see your truck on there. Anything

632
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,559
else on that SD card that we need to talk about.

633
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,639
Speaker 3: No, you can show me the card and see. You

634
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,639
can show me what's on me if you want to.

635
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,039
Speaker 1: Okay, he slid a photo across the table. It was

636
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,880
a picture of Kathleen.

637
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 13: I just wanted to show you picture c DA would

638
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,960
help you kind of refresh the girl from that night.

639
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,639
Speaker 10: No, that's not it not just short for here, okay.

640
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: Then he slid a photo of his truck in front

641
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,400
of the hotel across the table.

642
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 10: I mentioned I told you on there that how I

643
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,480
found you as.

644
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,199
Speaker 3: I saw your drug is that that's that's my truck.

645
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:15,920
That's your trug.

646
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:21,519
Speaker 16: Okay, I recognized the rooms and my gray kenopy.

647
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Then he slid a photo of a man's shoes across

648
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,519
the table.

649
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,079
Speaker 13: This is one of the images on there. Part of

650
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:31,440
it is kind of cut down a little bit. But

651
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:34,480
can you tell me what's in that photo?

652
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 21: There's somebody's feet, Okay, whose feet are those?

653
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:39,559
Speaker 3: I don't know?

654
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 10: Okay, I'm gonna shoot. I mean it looks looks like

655
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000
the shoes you wear right now?

656
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, so okay, it's it safe to say those.

657
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,039
Speaker 10: Are your feet in that picture?

658
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,679
Speaker 3: I don't okay, I'm not that he puts in his

659
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,519
shoes like this.

660
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: Detectives had seen all kinds of reactions before, anger, denial, fear,

661
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:04,119
but Brian was different. When they showed him the picture,

662
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,519
he only shrugged. The detective didn't dwell on his shoes,

663
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:11,840
even though they were obviously the exact same pair he

664
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,960
was wearing. Next He slid more photos of Kathleen over,

665
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:19,079
but these were from the SD card.

666
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: So what can you.

667
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 10: Tell me about this?

668
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,079
Speaker 3: This looks like someone that's already been beaten up a bit.

669
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 13: Okay, And these are these are images, these are these

670
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480
are images. But there's also videos of this person. Yeah,

671
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,639
and another person in the room as well. And that's

672
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,480
what I'm that's why we're here to talk to you about.

673
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Speaker 3: You think I hit this goal?

674
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 10: Well, I said, there's video. There's videos of it. There's

675
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,159
a video of it, there's audio of it.

676
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:47,599
Speaker 13: There's a voice that's I've been talking to you now

677
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:48,639
for almost thirty.

678
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,559
Speaker 10: Forty minutes, and I know it was your voice. I

679
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:51,360
could hear in the video.

680
00:40:52,760 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: Then he played the video.

681
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,599
Speaker 3: Camera bitch.

682
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 4: Dying, fucking mind, seem tired, her fucking horrible.

683
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:21,079
Speaker 3: Just I'm being too long soon, Just king, is Jesus

684
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:23,159
what's happening?

685
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 13: When that's what's happening is on this video, on these images,

686
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,360
the person that's recording it is holding the recorder and

687
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,000
is standing basically above this girl and and strangling her.

688
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't.

689
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,199
Speaker 13: I'm not.

690
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: I'm not denying. I'm not.

691
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,039
Speaker 14: I'm not.

692
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you're lying, but I don't.

693
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,639
Speaker 13: Remember anything not this, So what you're saying is definitely

694
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,000
you talking on the recording, on the idea.

695
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,199
Speaker 16: There, so that you don't recall that that that's about

696
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:54,119
That sounds about voice.

697
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:58,679
Speaker 3: I've got a unique voice. It's English mixed with the Dutch.

698
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: Check mate, Brian was polite and presentable. It was hard

699
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:09,880
to believe you could do what he did, but they

700
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,280
had video evidence. You seem to have no recollection of

701
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,679
doing anything like that to anyone. Then he paused, swallowed hard,

702
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,519
and acknowledged how serious this was.

703
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:26,519
Speaker 3: Look this, this sounds very serious. No matter what, I'm

704
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:32,079
gonna be in deep shipped. So okay, I'll tell you

705
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,679
what I remember. The next day it worked.

706
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 21: I saw something dropping out the back of my truck

707
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,559
and I was I loved that hell. And I opened

708
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:47,480
up and there was somebody there underneath.

709
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: There was a blue like a top with the back

710
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,960
of my mut truck. I was thinking for a long time,

711
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,960
what the hell what m was I do?

712
00:42:56,039 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 21: And being the one I've got to get rid of this.

713
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,679
Speaker 3: A colant and I drove out and I did, went

714
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,639
him do.

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00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: It detectively, thanked him for his honesty and chose not

716
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,079
to press the whole I don't remember excuse. Instead, he

717
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,239
asked about Alicia Youngblood.

718
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 10: I want to ask you to kind of shift care

719
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,519
a little bit. Alicia young Blood?

720
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: Can we talk about her for a little bit? Okay, okay,

721
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,360
why can you tell me about Alicia? Don't tell my

722
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,519
wife about it? But he said, last year we had

723
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:36,480
a small little off a.

724
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 13: So I've seen the stuff you've chatted about, the stuff

725
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,599
you and Alicia talked about, and that's what I want

726
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:44,320
to talk to you about.

727
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,519
Speaker 3: Okay. Alisha and I did do some fantasy stuff.

728
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,159
Speaker 21: I'm usually quite conservative about six and then she lost

729
00:43:56,159 --> 00:44:01,000
me to slaper, you know, and we made we actually

730
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:05,079
made up fantasies almost like this, you know, you kill somebody?

731
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and right and all that. I mean,

732
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,760
we sweep.

733
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 10: Did you guys would talk about that?

734
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, fantasy. That's fantasy stuff.

735
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:19,079
Speaker 1: Then why are freaks like this never freaky with their

736
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,039
own spouses? That's what they're for. I mean, why even

737
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:24,719
get married if you're not gonna be open and honest

738
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,679
about your kinks with the person you allegedly love. Listen

739
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:32,719
to me trying to rationalize the psychic paths actions. It's

740
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,400
no wonder if some of you think I'm a dumbass.

741
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:39,400
You're sure detectively that all the talk with this show

742
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,119
was pure fantasy, which was hard to say considering the

743
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:47,639
images and videos on the SD card. Detectives couldn't look

744
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:52,360
past the striking similarities between Brian's fantasies and what he

745
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,679
actually did in those videos.

746
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 13: Is it possible that, like on this evening you some

747
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,199
of those fantasies were coming out, because I mean, that's

748
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,159
exactly what she did on those videos. That's what she

749
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:09,719
did to this girl, except she wasn't she wasn't enjoying it, and.

750
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 10: You were talking to her.

751
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: I mean, that's my books.

752
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,079
Speaker 13: But you were talking to her clearly as we're talking

753
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:21,480
right now, and pointing out things and and laughing and

754
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:27,840
saying things. And in my movies, sadly everybody dies. Bitch,

755
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,239
what are my followers going to think of you? People

756
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,079
need to know when they're being serial killed. These are

757
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,000
things you're saying to.

758
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:37,199
Speaker 10: Her while you're doing that.

759
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: I say, that's that's what.

760
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 8: You don't remember this particular one because you've killed so

761
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,119
many You've told.

762
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: Me that she's being serial killed.

763
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 8: No, we need to be investigating you for killing people here,

764
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:53,039
killing people in South Africa.

765
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 16: We need to I mean, no, this thing was a

766
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,920
nish kidding people. That's just me and trying to outdo

767
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,880
each other on Don't.

768
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:04,679
Speaker 3: You tell her the same thing?

769
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,159
Speaker 10: That's what you tell her in the video.

770
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 13: You're telling her that as you're strangling her, as you're

771
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,320
stepping your foot onto her throat, as you're punching her

772
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,239
in the vagina as.

773
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: Hard as you can and kicking her into the vagina.

774
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,559
Speaker 13: Poking her in the eye and laughing about it, talking

775
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,760
about killing her and die bitch, and telling her to

776
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,920
die and getting mad when she starts gasping, interfering with

777
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,000
my drinking time.

778
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: It sounds like something I would say.

779
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: You did say it, Yeah, sounds like something I would say,

780
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:37,079
What the fuck?

781
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 21: I shouldn't have spoken just Alicia got stupid things like it,

782
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:41,199
you know.

783
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 10: But you didn't just speak to her about it.

784
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:44,679
Speaker 13: You showed her videos of you punching the women in

785
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,480
the vagina, buttering up your fist and shoving it into

786
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,559
the vagina, kicking them in the vagina. You showed she

787
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,239
saw these things, and she was frankly, and you.

788
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 10: Told her if I whether it was was.

789
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 13: Oh no, man, And it's exactly the same thing to

790
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,199
ever seen in these videos.

791
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:02,519
Speaker 16: If I was going to have a fantasy going further on,

792
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:03,920
I could have carried on with Alisha.

793
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 3: You know this is a year later, except Alicia.

794
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, you have a history with Alicia. She's You know

795
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,239
how easy it would be to find out who killed Alicia.

796
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,119
Speaker 8: He would have had a several months relationship if Alicia

797
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,519
was killed, But it wouldn't It wouldn't be difficult to

798
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:18,519
pinpoint you for it.

799
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 3: But if you pick up.

800
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,199
Speaker 8: Somebody in the in the darken of the night, who's

801
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,559
an injured person, homeless person down by the homeless.

802
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,639
Speaker 10: Shelter, these are the type of people that are.

803
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,519
Speaker 3: Perfect for this.

804
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: Throughout the conversation with Brian, detectives learned that he often

805
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,880
cruised the streets near homeless shelters looking for companions, and

806
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,800
by often, I mean a lot. For Brian Smith, ank

807
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,559
Ridge's homeless shelters were hunting grounds. The same women society

808
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:55,119
ignored he targeted. Alaskan Natives, making up a fraction of

809
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,800
the city's population, were excessively among the unhoused, living in shelters,

810
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:06,119
deserted buildings, or braving the brutal winters outside, and Brian

811
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,280
knew that no one would come looking for them.

812
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 8: So you really you said maybe three times in a

813
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,320
couple of years, and now we've already have Now we

814
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,280
already have three, three in about a month.

815
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 10: So are we sure that you.

816
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,199
Speaker 3: Well before before this go from this not?

817
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 22: There was probably about three times that I picked up

818
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,599
a goal, so maybe six.

819
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,199
Speaker 21: Yeah, so sorry when you and I say three, it

820
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,199
was three before.

821
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: So we also three full five six?

822
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, motherfucker can count, but not do basic math.

823
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 8: Apparently anything about this these particular type of people as

824
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,239
it is, Does he have something that against Native women?

825
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 3: I've asked myself that question. Is it a racial thing?

826
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,400
And it's no, it's incidence they have unto.

827
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,199
Speaker 10: The danges in the people.

828
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 9: They had to be.

829
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 22: Easy angry that they make a to the not an

830
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,679
oobposent to the angless people.

831
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: What an asshole? Anybody with a hair collect that you

832
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,760
know as an asshole. According to the Anchorage Coalition to

833
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,239
End Homelessness, in twenty twenty four, there were nine five

834
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:26,159
and twenty four homeless people registered in their programs. Of those,

835
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:32,039
ninety five hundred forty seven point three percent were Alaskan Natives.

836
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,800
That's a very high number when you consider that Alaskan

837
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,920
Natives only make up fifteen point six percent of the

838
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,519
state's population. That means five percent of all Alaskan Natives

839
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,320
are homeless, probably due to the white man's delicious alcoholic beverages.

840
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,960
The longer they talked to Brian, the more he revealed

841
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,599
he wasn't panicked, he wasn't even defensive. Admitted it was

842
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,239
his truck in the pictures and his voice in the videos,

843
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,280
but he still claimed he couldn't remember anything about that night.

844
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,599
Speaker 10: So she did she want to leave that night and

845
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:12,480
you didn't want her to go.

846
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: I'm serious, I don't remember this girl. I believe, I

847
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,360
believe everything you're saying. I honestly don't remember anything up

848
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,880
until the morning I woke up. I opened the back

849
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,039
of my truck and yeah, it was a person line there.

850
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,239
No one else could have put it there. I must have.

851
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,239
You've got photograph of you could of being putting the there.

852
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,920
But I do not remember it.

853
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,519
Speaker 10: You think everybody's gonna understand.

854
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: That, no one's going to believe it. I don't believe

855
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,440
it's going to make that happen because we're gonna go.

856
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 10: We have more than we have evidence showed.

857
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: It happened, and the evidence was a lot. They had

858
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Valerie's statement that she got the SD card from him.

859
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,000
They had the timestamps on the images and videos that

860
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:02,800
matched his stead at the hotel. They had the GPS

861
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,960
data putting him at the dump site. They had the

862
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,320
image of his truck with part of his license plate showing,

863
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,400
and of course they had his voice on video.

864
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 21: You've got of lends me outdone that you're putting stories

865
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,440
in my head that maybe it's a fantasy gone all

866
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:21,920
for it's something how I didn't remember.

867
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 10: Well, I actually don't think it's any of those things.

868
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,559
Speaker 3: I think you remember.

869
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 8: So knowing that this this person is this person, and

870
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,280
this person's dead and that you only wants dumped her

871
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,119
body out on the highway.

872
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 3: Do you have remorse? You see? And yeah, I don't

873
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,960
like to know that I've done it to someone. I

874
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,559
don't like that.

875
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,119
Speaker 1: Science, and by science I mean chat GPT tells us

876
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:52,760
that amnesia is a real phenomenon. I have my doubts.

877
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:58,360
It's especially doubtful when the amnesia is selective, like remembering

878
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,519
Kathleen but not remembering what you did to her. It's

879
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:06,679
pretty convenient that nobody can actually verify this, Like we

880
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,559
can't put on a headset like Christopher Walking and Brainstorm

881
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:13,960
and step inside someone's mind to see what they actually

882
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,000
remember or don't. Sorry for the eighties movie reference, Millennials,

883
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:24,360
but Brian never admitted to killing Kathleen. He only admitted

884
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,559
that it must have been him. To the detectives. It

885
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:31,840
was way too convenient to have no memory of the murder,

886
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,320
but they had plenty of evidence even if he didn't

887
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,239
actually confess. The video told more than who did what.

888
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,800
It showed a man with experience.

889
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,159
Speaker 8: Have you been involved in any missing persons or any

890
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,000
other murders in the state of Alaska?

891
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:49,199
Speaker 14: No?

892
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:49,639
Speaker 15: I haven't.

893
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 8: No, it's just this one.

894
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 10: This is the only person you've ever killed. Yes.

895
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: Are you gonna taking off to prison? Yes, that's that's

896
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,760
the step at the end of this night. Okay.

897
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,039
Speaker 1: After speaking with Brian for over five hours, they were

898
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,039
convinced he had more to tell, but they were satisfied

899
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,320
they already had him dead to rights, so they left

900
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,519
the room and let him stew for a while. When

901
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:21,760
they returned, they had paperwork for him to sign, but

902
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:23,960
he blurted something out.

903
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 3: Oh you guys in a rush to go, and we

904
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,599
had to rush. Yeah, you want to talk some more?

905
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 23: Sometime, I thought, Emily, I big type of very drunk gool.

906
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,039
Speaker 3: All life was gone.

907
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 23: She was away for the weekend, not to go home,

908
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,679
and I I.

909
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: Shot for all his denial, all his I can't remember.

910
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:07,159
He openly admitted that Kathleen wasn't the first, she wasn't

911
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:13,039
the only one. Ain't that weird? Ain't that something?

912
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:13,519
Speaker 9: Boy?

913
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: Guess Mike was right again? Give me a second while

914
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:20,960
I pat myself on the back. Ow I forgot how

915
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,679
old I am. I shouldn't be stretching like that. I'm

916
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,760
gonna pull something anyway. Despite Brian's sudden re emergence of

917
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,519
memory and his humble brag, y'all haven't seen anything yet.

918
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,119
When the truth of what this South African scumbag did

919
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,000
played out in court, even the most hardened jurors weren't

920
00:54:42,239 --> 00:55:14,800
prepared for what they were about to see. After detectives

921
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,880
confirmed Brian Smith was the owner of the SD card

922
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,800
and confronted him with the pictures and videos on it,

923
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:24,639
he claimed to have no memory of it. He admitted

924
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,760
to dumping Kathleen Henry's body after finding her in the

925
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,480
back of his truck the next morning. But the conversation

926
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:36,719
with Brian revealed that he often sought the companion of

927
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:42,239
anchoragees homeless, begging the question are there more murdered Indigenous

928
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,480
women out there waiting to be found? When they asked Brian,

929
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,800
he said no, But moments later he suddenly remembered things

930
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,039
and he confessed to a different murder he committed years earlier.

931
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:58,119
Speaker 3: She actually seemed like a last person.

932
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 21: I picked up and I said, hey, you want some

933
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,280
warm food in a warm place at sleep stunt And

934
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,360
she was like, yeah, sure, she jumped you, but she

935
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,039
was she was.

936
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 3: She was really drunk. She was slurring it.

937
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 21: And I took her home and she fell asleep on

938
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,440
the on the couch in front of the TV. And

939
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,559
she was smelling, and I knew she was homeless thing,

940
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:25,679
you know, she was she was thinking and I was

941
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,559
getting up, said and I said to her, go to

942
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,119
take a shower, you know, because now there's smelling in

943
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:30,519
the house.

944
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 3: You know. She wouldn't do it, she says.

945
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 21: She'd kept saying no, no, and I was worried she's

946
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,559
gonna bomber now, because then I realized that she really

947
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,119
had been drinking a lot, no excuse, but I had

948
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:43,039
also been drinking.

949
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: I clearly remember this, and again I'm not lying to you.

950
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,760
I don't remember. I can't visualize this, this this girl.

951
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,000
But I went through to the garage and I got

952
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:58,760
my little pistol there.

953
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,119
Speaker 21: I said to go to the shower, and she wouldn't.

954
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:07,119
She wouldn't, you wouldn't, And I just did it, and

955
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:08,239
I got.

956
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 3: Well, she was on the couch. Yeah, I just did.

957
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,119
I just chopped it. They missed that thing. I can

958
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:18,639
tell you honestly, being there was no emotion. Now, I

959
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,760
just just you're not listening to me. Shower.

960
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: He shot her in his own home because she was

961
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,239
smelly and wouldn't take a shower. This chilling confession came

962
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:35,039
out of Brian almost nonchalantly.

963
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,239
Speaker 3: So do you remember if she was white?

964
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:37,679
Speaker 17: Black?

965
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: All those people they are native the murname? No?

966
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,719
Speaker 8: No, do you remember reading anything about any remains being found?

967
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 16: And I actually did look Okay, yeah, so.

968
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: Actually I did. Last you guys, those pictures I showed Lesia,

969
00:57:55,039 --> 00:58:02,840
they were the real ones of what of her. I

970
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,639
did have a photo of me trying to stick monthingus into.

971
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 8: The giant, So that was a real photo of you

972
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:11,000
doing that to the person you shot, was up before

973
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:11,960
or after you shot her.

974
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:17,559
Speaker 1: Often the photos and videos he shared with Alicia were real.

975
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:23,199
She had been right all long. Detective Lee laid out

976
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:27,239
some photos of missing women, and Brian immediately picked out

977
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:33,280
his first victim. Her name was Veronica Abauchuk. She was

978
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:40,360
fifty two and, like Valerie and Kathleen, battled addiction and homelessness.

979
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,559
She was last seen in July of twenty eighteen by

980
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:47,920
her family at a local shelter. Shortly after that, she

981
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:53,760
stopped communicating with them, but, unlike Kathleen, Veronica's family reported

982
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,880
her missing in early twenty nineteen. Her remains were discovered

983
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,639
in April, but never identified. Brian later led police to

984
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:06,119
the site where he dumped her, the same site where

985
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,760
he took Alicia to. Brian Smith was arrested for the

986
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,719
murder of Kathleen Henry, charged with multiple counts of first

987
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:18,679
degree murder, second degree murder, second degree sexual assault, tampering

988
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:24,199
with evidence, and misconduct involving a corpse, But after he

989
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:30,280
confessed to the murder of another homeless Alaskan native, Veronica Abauchuk.

990
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,719
A grand jury indicted him for her murder as well.

991
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,159
They added more counts for first degree murder, second degree murder,

992
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:43,360
tampering with evidence, and misconduct involving a corpse. It all

993
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:50,000
added up to fourteen individual charges against Brian. During his arraignment,

994
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:53,360
he pleaded not guilty to all charges, wasting the court's

995
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,280
time and the taxpayers money. In the trial, the defense

996
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,480
would argue that the most substantial evidence came from an

997
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:07,639
unreliable source. They decided that Valerie stole the card and

998
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:10,719
that she had more than enough time for the images

999
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,440
and videos to be doctored. Now, I don't know about you,

1000
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:18,719
but I'm not willing to believe that a homeless Indigenous

1001
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,000
person in Alaska is an expert at photoshop. It was

1002
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:26,440
a pretty weak argument, to say the least. When the

1003
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,719
prosecution played the videos for the jury, warning and I

1004
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,719
would take this one seriously. What you're about to hear

1005
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,559
is Kathleen Henry taking her last breaths at the hands

1006
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:45,000
of Brian Smith. She's already very beaten and seemingly unconscious.

1007
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,679
But the following audio is rough, to say the least.

1008
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 19: And you're live, you die, you're lie, you die, you live,

1009
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:26,440
you die, you live, you die, you die.

1010
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: Sadly.

1011
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 24: In my movies, everyone dies.

1012
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:36,079
Speaker 3: I get the Oscar bitch.

1013
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh, Nina, I get the Oscar bitch. So that's what

1014
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,480
it takes. He toys with her, laughing, hysterically, taught her

1015
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,599
with a brief release, only to strangle her harder. All

1016
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:54,320
the while, he talks to the camera as if someone

1017
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,599
is watching him, as if this shit is going up

1018
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,119
on YouTube or something.

1019
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 25: Take seven, Part five, subsection C. The bitch would not

1020
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:15,559
fucking go away. It's called like, we don't like you anymore,

1021
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:21,760
so just fuck off. You're resisting me, okay, fucking So,

1022
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,199
here's the throat.

1023
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:28,599
Speaker 3: Here's the heir. Yes, the string of God a stringer.

1024
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:38,239
Speaker 4: If I'm gonna pull the string, yeah, it's pull tartanized

1025
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,039
your face, fucking Ford, You fucking strap posing bitch.

1026
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:44,679
Speaker 9: Jesus.

1027
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,079
Speaker 24: Fuck do people have to be taught out dark these days?

1028
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:53,760
After fucking fucking twenty thousand fucking years of evolution, you

1029
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,039
haven't learned to die yet?

1030
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:55,679
Speaker 15: Eh?

1031
01:02:57,559 --> 01:02:59,119
Speaker 9: Fuck bitch, Jesus.

1032
01:02:59,159 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 3: Fuck.

1033
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:01,719
Speaker 24: I don't fucking calm for your ship.

1034
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 9: You're fucking up my.

1035
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 26: Drinking, fucking fucking half bottle of whiskey still to go

1036
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,960
through and it's really like fucking leaving fucking out, fucking bitch.

1037
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: It's important to notice that there is no evidence that

1038
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,440
Brian uploaded any pictures or videos to the Internet, yet

1039
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:28,199
he still addresses the camera as the audience. He feels

1040
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:32,079
that he is performing, but he is getting tired.

1041
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 4: We're going on for no fucking lives. He's like fucking

1042
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:40,920
half an hour and we're going on half an hour

1043
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:48,519
and now, fuck, bitch, you are taking so the longest ever.

1044
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,880
He secure you fucking sort of lost down to my

1045
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:56,480
fucking car and can dump you fucking somewhere.

1046
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,239
Speaker 3: You just fucked up mind time fucking.

1047
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 26: An evenion, bitch. I'm gonna fuck you up sbtly You're

1048
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,360
gonna need to change your lids and oh Jesus, now

1049
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,159
you want to fucking people need to corporate people need

1050
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:17,119
to know when they're fucking mean, serial killed fucked the

1051
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:21,000
shirt bitch, and you're like a god be on my

1052
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:21,760
fucking hand.

1053
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:23,239
Speaker 9: What the fuck.

1054
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:26,079
Speaker 1: Do you want to give me?

1055
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,159
Speaker 24: A fucking NIPDDA is fucking d e if in g

1056
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:37,079
and Kenya wasn't fucking just fucking die.

1057
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: He was the producer, director, and star of the film.

1058
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,320
He called her names, knelt on her chest, and slapped her.

1059
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:51,559
He strangled her over and over. He showcased her injuries

1060
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:54,800
to the camera, but when he got tired, he stood

1061
01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:00,719
on her neck until she died. And when it was over, the.

1062
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 3: Hate the log button.

1063
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 17: Please.

1064
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:08,719
Speaker 1: I don't like the death penalty. I don't like the

1065
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,000
idea of giving the state the power to kill its

1066
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:17,119
own citizens. But after watching this performance, it's hard to

1067
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:22,360
argue against it, really hard. Inside the courtroom, the jury

1068
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,239
watched the twelve videos without blinking. The families of Kathleen

1069
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:32,039
Henry and Veronica Abautchuk couldn't see the videos, but they

1070
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:36,880
could hear them. They sat there silently, watching the jury's

1071
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:42,360
horrified reactions. For somebody who couldn't stop narrating a murder,

1072
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,920
Brian was silent throughout the entire trial. Outside the courthouse,

1073
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,119
a group of people seemed to reflect the inner turmoil

1074
01:05:52,639 --> 01:06:04,800
of the jury's ghastly expressions. A protest had gathered. A

1075
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:09,000
deleted photo was recovered from Brian's phone. It showed a

1076
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:13,679
third Native woman. She appeared passed out on the grass.

1077
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,719
Either that or she was already dead.

1078
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,159
Speaker 5: He asked me if I could look at another photograph

1079
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,760
that was actually in Brian Steven Smith's phone and his

1080
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,760
deleted files, and I says, sure. So I looked through

1081
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,440
FaceTime and I could see through faith time that yes,

1082
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:32,880
it was Cassandra.

1083
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:33,599
Speaker 3: It took a.

1084
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 5: Double book, but yeah, And I instantly just started crying.

1085
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,239
Speaker 1: The family of Cassandra Boskovsky was convinced it was her,

1086
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,599
and the fact that her picture was found on Brian's

1087
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:51,639
phone made them fear the worst. Unfortunately, Brian was done confessing,

1088
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:55,320
and once again there was no body. Even if it

1089
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,719
was Cassandra on Brian's phone, they couldn't prove a crime

1090
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:05,599
had been committed. Kexander was just another missing, homeless Alaskan native. Later,

1091
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,239
her family would have her declared legally dead without ever

1092
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,800
knowing what happened to her. Back inside the courtroom, the

1093
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:18,119
family of Kathleen Henry had to learn that although Brian

1094
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,719
didn't upload his heinous crime to the internet, he did

1095
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,000
share what he had done to someone.

1096
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,239
Speaker 3: This is from Smith's filone.

1097
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 20: I have something to show you, period, something I can't

1098
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,360
keep for too long. Need to find a secluded spot

1099
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,679
to meet and he responds, I was not upcomma sounds

1100
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:37,239
like you were.

1101
01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 10: Having a lot of fun. I did have fun, wanted

1102
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:40,440
to share.

1103
01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: The man Brian was texting met him after the murder

1104
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,199
of Kathleen so he could see the body too. What

1105
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,440
a couple of sick fucks, he pleaded the fifth didn't

1106
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:58,559
have to testify and get this was never charged. What horseship.

1107
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,000
I can't for a meme, But this assholes walk around

1108
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,840
society doing just fine.

1109
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 17: Okay, ass Henry was slowly beaten to death and strangled

1110
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,320
to death and tortured to death. As about chick, didn't

1111
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,279
it actually suffer as much? But she was treated like

1112
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:21,319
a thing to be used and cast aside. Both were

1113
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,960
treated about as horribly as a person can be treated.

1114
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:31,159
Killings like this that are publicized affect all of society,

1115
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:36,800
and especially women in our society. It's the stuff of nightmares.

1116
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,399
They strip women of any feelings of safety in their

1117
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,880
own neighborhoods. That damage continues long after the crimes are solved.

1118
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: As no surprise, Brian was unanimously found guilty of all

1119
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,560
fourteen charges. He was sentenced to ninety nine years for

1120
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,279
each and two counts of first degree premeditated merd her.

1121
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:04,800
All the other charges, including the aggravating factor that he

1122
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:10,119
tortured Kathleen, which eliminated any chance of parole, added up

1123
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:15,520
to another twenty eight years. All in all, Brian Stephen

1124
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:20,279
Smith was sentenced to two hundred and twenty six years

1125
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,800
in prison to run consecutively. They left the families of

1126
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,960
Kathleen and Veronica feeling just a little bit better.

1127
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 10: They're at peace now.

1128
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,119
Speaker 15: That's the most important. And for me, her sister, Veronica,

1129
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:42,279
Ronica's sister, and Kathleen's family, it's been too long and

1130
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:47,359
today is life celebration and spiritual celebration.

1131
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 1: But Brian's wife, Stephanie, was left completely dumbfounded and questioning

1132
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,640
her own intelligence. Can you blame her?

1133
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 9: I've never seen anything that dark in him. When I

1134
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,760
think about that, I think, how could I have missed?

1135
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,479
How can you missed something like that?

1136
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:11,119
Speaker 14: You know?

1137
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 1: To add insult to injury. Two months after his conviction

1138
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,479
of federal grand jury charged him with one count of

1139
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:24,319
unlawful procurement of naturalization and one count of unlawful procurement

1140
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,600
of naturalization by an ineligible person. You see, one of

1141
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,439
the questions they ask you when applying for naturalization is

1142
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:35,960
have you ever been involved in a killing, sexual assault,

1143
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:39,039
or have you ever committed or assisted in committing or

1144
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,359
attempted to commit a crime you were not arrested for

1145
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:49,720
Brian answered no. If convicted, which is likely, his citizenship

1146
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,760
will be revoked and he will be deported, and then

1147
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,359
some dumb bitch with a septum ring and clown hair

1148
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,880
will protest about it on the streets of Portland and

1149
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:04,359
uploaded to TikTok, because that's the fucked up country of morons.

1150
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:08,039
We live in America, Land of the woke, home of

1151
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:13,199
the dump. Brian Smith is behind bars, but the crisis

1152
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,680
is far from over. Justice first victims doesn't fix the

1153
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,640
real problem. Kathleen Henry and Veronica Aboutchuk weren't just murdered.

1154
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:27,960
They were failed. Failed by a system that allows Indigenous

1155
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:33,199
women to disappear without a trace, failed by a society

1156
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:38,600
that barely notices when the most vulnerable go missing. And

1157
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:43,960
if Valerie Castler had never stolen that SD card, would

1158
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,479
Brian Smith have ever been caught? Probably not.

1159
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:52,520
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that day roll was me.

1160
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 21: I mean, it's obviously it's a second top, so's would

1161
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,439
be that's to I didn't There's no way to come

1162
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:02,840
back from that.

1163
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 3: There's no way, well, not personally.

1164
01:12:05,279 --> 01:12:09,119
Speaker 21: Even it's yeah, I'm not I'm not timpering in saying

1165
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:10,359
I'm not not anything like it.

1166
01:12:10,399 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 22: I am saying I know exactly what i've but yeah,

1167
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:20,399
I've gone too far. I don't want to go on.

1168
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,920
Are you glad of that? I'm glad.

1169
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 3: You're glad You're not gonna be able to hurt anybody else.

1170
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere in Anchorage, on the streets and the shelters

1171
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:41,840
and the shadows, another woman is disappearing right now and

1172
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,680
no one is paying attention. Bryan Smith knew what kind

1173
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,239
of women wouldn't be missed. He counted on it, he

1174
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:56,199
thrived on it, and the system proved him right again

1175
01:12:57,119 --> 01:13:02,520
and again. Kathleen, Henry Veronica about Check weren't the first

1176
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:08,199
to be forgotten, and unless things change, they won't be

1177
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:54,239
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1178
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1179
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1180
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