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<v Speaker 1>Well, everybody, Jimmy Bucky wee Bed podcast on Tony Berman

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<v Speaker 1>here once again with Juck Melody, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going really good? Tony.

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<v Speaker 3>We had practice in the indoor today outside yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so we avoided any rain that may have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it did or not. We were inside.

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<v Speaker 2>It did in fact rain, and we did, in fact

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<v Speaker 2>avoid it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, it is absolutely beautiful, perfect and so

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<v Speaker 1>we did get to see practice number two some standouts.

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<v Speaker 1>In the afterwards. We talked with Nate, Robert Spurlittle, Bo

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson and Can out of Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>We could talk a little bit about that, I suppose

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<v Speaker 2>as we go on.

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<v Speaker 1>But the number one thing that I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today was the number one guy who impressed me

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<v Speaker 1>the most, And as we talked to people who are

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<v Speaker 1>also at practice, that's the first name that kept coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is wide receiver Devin n Qwan, who made

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<v Speaker 1>He had at least two long catches. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>was a touchdown. You have another one where and the

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<v Speaker 1>one that he caught for a touchdown was Yeah, Dominic

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly in coverage, Yeah, sliding kind of over the shoulder,

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<v Speaker 1>dropped in by Julian saying, great catch. I have another

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<v Speaker 1>one where he's going up over the middle, goes way

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<v Speaker 1>up to get it, catches it, comes down, spins out

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<v Speaker 1>of a tackle, keeps running. And this dude was awesome

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<v Speaker 1>again today, even better today than he was yesterday, and

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday I was really impressed. So now like why fonts

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<v Speaker 1>on him? And welcome to the Buck Eye Weekly Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I might have to double all of my numbers

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<v Speaker 1>for him this year.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Tony, we were talking about yesterday and I

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<v Speaker 3>said to you, I'm of the opinion that he is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be the clear number two guy in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of production, and that was kind of your feeling as well,

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't think it's a question at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>And it almost felt like the way the guys were

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<v Speaker 3>reacting to him, like it feels like they all get

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<v Speaker 3>that too. And this was one of maybe I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know the knocks on him, but maybe the questions on

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<v Speaker 3>him was, yeah, he can do the stuff, getting the

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<v Speaker 3>ball yards after catch, how's he gonna be catching the

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<v Speaker 3>ball down field? My gosh, man, the guy for a

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<v Speaker 3>dude who's not very big, right, doesn't have very long limbs,

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<v Speaker 3>got a real knack for the ball in the air

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<v Speaker 3>and the catch he made on Dominic Kelly in the

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<v Speaker 3>end zone. Everybody was fired up. I mean, I'm supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be professional. I got a little fired up too.

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<v Speaker 3>Tony apologized for that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, if I remember, I've been to try to

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<v Speaker 1>also throw in some one of the blocking drills where

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<v Speaker 1>the receivers are going and just like running into Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Schlegel on Devin mcew and what Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>I kept going at him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like wrestling with him, and he just looks

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<v Speaker 1>like he's having time of his life at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>That's time of their life there for the defensive backs

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<v Speaker 2>covering him. Man. Just that was also my big question

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<v Speaker 2>with him is is there somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>That can come down with football like Carnilge did And

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<v Speaker 1>so far he has and he's the play action throwing

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<v Speaker 1>jeep to him right now is very very effective. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's when Ohio State's and base or when they're in nickel,

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting open and he's getting open all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the question now is you never wanted ever

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<v Speaker 3>to I'll tell you what number four as in Jeremiah Man.

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<v Speaker 3>He even looks faster this year. It's just remarkable. He

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<v Speaker 3>looks so amazing out there in a room full of megafreaks.

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<v Speaker 3>He just stands out as an alien every time, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's just so hard not to watch him basically do everything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but he looks tremendous. Brock Boyd with a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>smooth catches today, one with the little yards after catch

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<v Speaker 3>that he came down with, got the ball punched out.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought the knee was down, but he still had

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<v Speaker 2>to run. Still got to run. Gotta run, you gotta run.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things I've noticed in these first

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<v Speaker 1>few days of practice, when somebody's running, Keenan Bailey will

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<v Speaker 1>on the route that they're they're jogging.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Henry Jr. Again was he looks completely comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>He's rotating in with the ones and twos, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of guys are That's that's how camp goes. It

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting then, as we're talking ones and twos to

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<v Speaker 1>see yesterday Day one Austin Cirivell a left tackle or

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<v Speaker 1>left right guard, and Ian Moore at left tackle. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>Later on you saw a little bit of Ian Moore

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<v Speaker 1>So, as Ryan Day said after practice, they're gonna move

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<v Speaker 1>they did.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was good to see Ian Moore getting some

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<v Speaker 2>reps at right tackle book yesterday and today so that

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<v Speaker 2>they know more about him as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and uh, you know, the the look of that

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<v Speaker 3>offensive line coming together. I noticed with the young guys,

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<v Speaker 3>uh the uh Max Riley freshman Max Triley, who was

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<v Speaker 3>you know, pretty much guard all spring, they were working

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<v Speaker 3>him with the centers today and we did see some

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<v Speaker 3>bad snaffs. But I'm not sure what what the what

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<v Speaker 3>the move is there, but just something I noticed that

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<v Speaker 3>they hadn't done before.

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<v Speaker 2>But we will see.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we talked about, you know, yesterday, the mixing up

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<v Speaker 3>of who's going to be that that sixth guy or

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<v Speaker 3>the odd man out Padilla, Phil Daniels or Ian Moore,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's gonna be Ian Moore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I did have some people telling me that

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<v Speaker 1>James Smith was given Josh Bidia some trouble he can

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<v Speaker 1>do that, and it's like, well, I mean, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen as we see more one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see like James Smith so far right now,

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<v Speaker 1>still working with the Two's what he did in his finger.

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<v Speaker 1>He moves all around, like I said, They move up

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<v Speaker 1>and down with the ones and the twos, like all

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<v Speaker 1>of the tight ends basically worked with the ones. At

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<v Speaker 1>some point today Nate Roberts, I asked him, how how

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<v Speaker 1>deep are.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys this year compared to last year? Tight end?

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, just as deep I now, deeper, much more versatile,

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<v Speaker 1>which I would agree with because they can all they

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<v Speaker 1>all have experience doing basically both both spots. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>all know it's the year of the tight end, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's an interesting versatile group that could help

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<v Speaker 1>that offensive line even more anybody else, anybody else stayed

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<v Speaker 1>out on offense?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, all right, listen, Isaiah Wes we talked about yesterday,

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<v Speaker 3>and we were talking, are we thinking, you know, sixty

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<v Speaker 3>forty this year? Because Isaiah does look so good Ryan

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<v Speaker 3>Day Peyton Pierce talked about him yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Today it was an even more.

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<v Speaker 3>Impressive day for Isaiah out there than it was yesterday,

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<v Speaker 3>at least from what I saw. I know you were

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<v Speaker 3>closer to him yesterday, but today we got to see

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<v Speaker 3>it all and Isaiah looks so much more explosive.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks so much quicker. Laterally.

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<v Speaker 3>We know last year he already led the team in

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<v Speaker 3>mistackles forced per carry, which is his neck, he's tough

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<v Speaker 3>to bring down. So if he's looking better with his

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<v Speaker 3>cuts and laterally in quickness, and he's better physically than

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<v Speaker 3>anybody else that he showed that last year, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how this isn't a fifty to fifty, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>who's going to lead this team in rushing? Like this

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<v Speaker 3>is a coin flip at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like I said yesterday, it'll be interesting. The

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<v Speaker 2>real interesting thing is who leads with them and carries.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm I'm not on the message board book Guy

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<v Speaker 2>Insider's message board.

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<v Speaker 1>I said maybe like seventy thirty or like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>there like a thirty percent chance that Isaiah West leads

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<v Speaker 1>them into rushing And that feels really low to me

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And just watching him against today and he

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<v Speaker 1>had no pads, no tackling, there's still there's no thudding,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are there's some hitting a little bit going on.

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<v Speaker 2>He is running at many.

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<v Speaker 1>Tackles, but when he gets out there's like a swing

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<v Speaker 1>pass where he got to the quarter and just zero

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty instantly and showed off some of the speed

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't think people think maybe he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>as much of last year, that's right, but he and

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<v Speaker 1>he looks, He looks every bit of whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to running.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to look like right now. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people I heard say that they thought maybe Bo

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<v Speaker 3>was a little dinged up. He talked, he was asked

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<v Speaker 3>that he said he's fully healthy. That doesn't necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 3>he is, but he said he was. But it just

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<v Speaker 3>feels like the energy in there, the energy it feels

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<v Speaker 3>like again, And it felt like this yesterday. If you

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know who the starting running back was and you

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<v Speaker 3>were just coming in to watch practice you hadn't seen

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<v Speaker 3>last year, you would say it's thirty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's been running with the Ones. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I have got I haven't gotten to see

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<v Speaker 1>as much of Bo Jackson. This This falls so far

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been just the way things are split up

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<v Speaker 1>and watching the Ones more and for so for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing for Isaiah Westbourne that I am Bo Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>it's still you know, no legend beg yet right that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be out a couple of days. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>if he's back tomorrow. I don't know looking forward obviously

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<v Speaker 1>to seeing what he could do. Nothing major there from

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<v Speaker 1>what we've been told.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got one note on the tight ends before

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<v Speaker 3>we move, uh, watching every individual group in practice. Keenan

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<v Speaker 3>Bailey has talked consistently for a couple of years about

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to be the toughest group on the team because

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<v Speaker 3>he understands that and he did say this in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four you know, we're the least talented group on the team.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he says that anymore, but he's always

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<v Speaker 3>wanted those guys to be the toughest. They practice with

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<v Speaker 3>the most intensity of any group. And that really stands

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<v Speaker 3>out to me because if you're gonna try to say that,

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<v Speaker 3>back it up and practice they do the most fiery group,

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<v Speaker 3>the hardest hitting and just just something to put out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's like I said, lots of us oftelity.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got people ask him like, well, who's what the

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<v Speaker 1>ones they're all they're all rotating it there, and like

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<v Speaker 1>Nate Roberts said, they've got five guys that can play.

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<v Speaker 2>To start practicing was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Benet Christian and maxell Blanc running with the ones

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<v Speaker 1>and then everybody else gets in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've seen max le Blanc makes them plays the

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of days, which is good.

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<v Speaker 1>He saw Brody Lennon catching the touchdown on Nick later

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of pads, So yeah, they're they're producing.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we know, again you have the tight end

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<v Speaker 1>You got to spend some time with Kinana Jackson talking

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<v Speaker 1>about what the player this for him this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So and again something we also talked about yesterday, if

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<v Speaker 3>could potentially free up Kenyada to be more of a

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<v Speaker 3>Caden Curry role. And he was asked about this year

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<v Speaker 3>what we may see different from him, and he said,

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<v Speaker 3>last year, I think I sacrificed.

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<v Speaker 3>This year, I'm going to get to play a little

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<v Speaker 3>more all over. And you know, you get the sense

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<v Speaker 3>that he really wanted to do that, and we know

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<v Speaker 3>that he did that for a little spell last year

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<v Speaker 3>was part of the plan all along.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be that and he, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of confirmed that that is what we're going to see

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<v Speaker 3>out of him this year, and that is exciting news.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not going to back off of my first

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<v Speaker 2>and so he's got He was I tepical. He looks

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<v Speaker 2>how you will your defensive ends to look. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's ball, he's big, he's still long and lean like

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<v Speaker 1>it's physically I don't know how it all fenced, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how it all works, but he's just the prototype there

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<v Speaker 1>defensive tackles. It's basically been the same since we've It's

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<v Speaker 1>saw John Walker and Will Smith and Knows and Edrick

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I learned much there that we

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<v Speaker 2>did already know today.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the biggest thing that I saw on defense,

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<v Speaker 1>well we can before we get to the secondary, where

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<v Speaker 1>Riley Penny John was working off ball some today as well,

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<v Speaker 1>where as yesterday he was only at the Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Today he was back at the Will and also Sam.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was good to see. They opened up the

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<v Speaker 1>Nickel today. We did not see it at all yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>So your first team nickel right out of the gate,

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<v Speaker 1>freshman Jay Timmons.

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<v Speaker 2>No surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about him in our one hundred snap show

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<v Speaker 3>that you know that might be the guy that we

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<v Speaker 3>see double or triple that one hundred stap club for

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<v Speaker 3>the freshman right there at that nickel spot. He's a natural.

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<v Speaker 3>The buzz about him has been just off the charts.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, we heard Devin Sam just talk about

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<v Speaker 3>different than you talk about most freshmen, and it's it

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<v Speaker 3>certainly seems like that is the case. The guy is

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<v Speaker 3>them this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Earl Little said he was making plays as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as he walt in. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, so I'll have to write about him, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, he's just as like I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>else we could say all, just go back and watch

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday show. He's just a football player. He's a ball

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<v Speaker 1>at and that's basically all you need to know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying not to try not to get hung up

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<v Speaker 1>and saying like remember Antoine Winfield as a true freshman nickelback.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do that because that's sacrilegious, but

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<v Speaker 2>So when they are.

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<v Speaker 1>With the five defensive backs, who's your starting five? And

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<v Speaker 1>like right now, Terry Moore and Leroy Roker have been

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<v Speaker 1>the box, and then Jay Timmins or you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>would I suspect Jermaine Matthews might be that guy as

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<v Speaker 1>well as that number one nickel. And then we also

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<v Speaker 1>saw Jermaine Matthews interestingly like open with like the twos

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<v Speaker 1>and the threes at quarter finished with the ones. I

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<v Speaker 1>think some of this may be just like snap down

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<v Speaker 1>one of the other guy's reps. And Jermaine Matthews as

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<v Speaker 1>a senior doesn't need all of this necessarily the same

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<v Speaker 1>work that everybody else does. But what are you making

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<v Speaker 1>of this secondary right now, and I will say dominic

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly gave up a couple of couple of long passes

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<v Speaker 1>to Devin McEwan or, who I'm contending will be your

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<v Speaker 1>husband a favorite. So no shade there, but your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on this secretary so.

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<v Speaker 3>Far, I think it's a great spot to be in

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<v Speaker 3>because I think the emergence of Dominic Kelly and the

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<v Speaker 3>emergence of Jay Timmins has given you this scenario where Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>now we got a couple of odd men out, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that most likely to your point about Jermaine,

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<v Speaker 3>it's more that he's he's kind of locked in there

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<v Speaker 3>and that he's going to be that guy that plays

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<v Speaker 3>the majority of those reps across from Devin, but that

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<v Speaker 3>Dominic Kelly will play there a lot as well. And Jermaine,

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<v Speaker 3>we know we can play the nickel. But if Jay

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<v Speaker 3>Timmins is as good as is, you know, we're kind

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<v Speaker 3>of feeling like he might be. I think he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I said yesterday, he's probably Jay Timmens as your

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<v Speaker 1>starting dime in some fascets. But Leroy Ruff was also

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<v Speaker 1>the dime last year at times as well, So the

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<v Speaker 1>options that they have this year, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of just see it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were to make a guess, I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that Jery Matthews and Sanchez are your starters at quarter

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<v Speaker 1>like long passing downs, Jamaine Matthews slides inside and and

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<v Speaker 1>Dominic Kelly comes in. But they're gonna find something for

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Tempans' that's what That's what you keep hearing behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes and when you see him out there with

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<v Speaker 1>the ones I'm dating two of practice, what other judgment

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<v Speaker 1>are you supposed to make?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it doesn't stand out is out of place either.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks like he knows exactly what he's doing and

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<v Speaker 3>he moves great. It's it's it's legit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to see anything else from not really to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that anything else from today that just stands out

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<v Speaker 3>It's from the drive by ball punching. This is something

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<v Speaker 3>we saw emphasized coming into the twenty twenty four season.

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<v Speaker 3>Early in the spring and then in the preseason they

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<v Speaker 3>really wanted to focus on punching the ball out. We

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<v Speaker 3>saw it executed early in the twenty twenty four season

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<v Speaker 3>Michigan State, and then it kind of died off and

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<v Speaker 3>petered out. I think we're seeing a lot of that

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<v Speaker 3>this year, trying to force the turnover, punching the ball

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<v Speaker 3>out working great here in practice. We saw a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of them today. It seems like something will see them

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<v Speaker 3>carry into the season. Will it be something that they

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<v Speaker 3>that they continue to emphasize throughout the season as we

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<v Speaker 3>saw again we saw peter out in twenty four, but

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<v Speaker 3>that is something that stood out to me in the

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<v Speaker 3>first two days. We're seeing a whole lot of that,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to force the turnover in that way. So we'll see,

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<v Speaker 3>well and coach just tell you you get what you emphasize.

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<v Speaker 3>And losing the guys that they did on defense.

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<v Speaker 1>I think focusing on turnovers and keeping this new defense

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<v Speaker 1>from being out there as long as they have, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would help. So one, let's see one

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<v Speaker 1>last things that I have one last thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to throughout that. I'll just say this favorite ALKI

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<v Speaker 1>looks bigger to me last time I saw him in

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<v Speaker 1>the spring it's like, boy, you know, he's a little fetter,

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<v Speaker 1>but now he looks like he's a full.

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<v Speaker 2>Full on running back. But that's it for me. Anything else,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one other thing, Kenyatta Jackson said at Pisatani lay

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<v Speaker 3>as a finesse guy. Now he's got the power to

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<v Speaker 3>back it up. Also said that bo Atkinson worked his

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing now, which is a much better version of

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<v Speaker 3>bo Atkinson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will be back on Sunday or Saturday at

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<v Speaker 1>the Wady for the practice number three. First, you can

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<v Speaker 1>find all of our coverage at Buckeye Insiders dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have more for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll write up a practice report. We bounce on your

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<v Speaker 1>message board as well. That was fantastic times to joining

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<v Speaker 1>you can't remember follow this season along with us because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be pretty darn good.

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<v Speaker 2>So that will do it from here. Thank you all

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<v Speaker 2>for tinian and we'll talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>You all later.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it through a way?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't no one tell me I wish you'd never.

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<v Speaker 4>Meant nothing where if you could

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me that's the mots all right, we could steal

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<v Speaker 1>currently tonight