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Speaker 1: Good morning. How are you doing today, Gary, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing well.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to share a conversation with you because

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as I have paged through this book, I'm getting visions

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of your next book. And I think it's called mahomes

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versus read because, I mean, we're living in a time

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of NFL history where the connection, the collaboration between the

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coaches and those players is so valuable, and you're giving

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us the inside journey as to how this even happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's just a fascinating story because

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of what they accomplished together and how unlikely and it

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was to happen in the first place. So you know,

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I really approach this thing like this. This is such

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a fascinating topic with an unanswered question of who deserves

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the most credit. And I mean I loved researching and

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writing this book and I hope it's enlightening for the

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readers that I really took the behind the scenes of

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the greatest dynasty in NFL history. Well.

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Speaker 1: See, the thing is is that in watching this story grow,

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because I've been apart since day one of the of

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that first Super Bowl win, even when they took on

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the Carolina Panthers in the Super Bowl. It's always been

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a part of my life. But what I've always seen

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though is Belichick is the master of the dojong in

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martial arts, and Tom is the student. So I've always

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seen Belichick as being the leader and Tom is growing

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into the shoes where he can now become the master.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it was that way early on that

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there's no question that Belichick was, you know, the dominating

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presence on that team, and that Tom was just happy

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to be there is as a six round pick who

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was given a chance to to make a team as

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a four string quarterback in his rookie year and then

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having an opportunity to play in the second year when

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when Drew Bledchel hurt. But yeah, I think early on

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you definitely look at Belichick and say, yeah, it's his

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team and he's the one that decided whether to play

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Brady or not. He's the one who drafted him. But

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certainly as it went on, I think it was definitely

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more Brady.

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Speaker 1: Aren't you proving that this is still a conversation inside

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the man cave, because I mean inside your book, I

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mean you talk with Parcels Johnson as with so many

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other people, and to me, this is what it's all about,

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is that if we can hear from those that have

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lived the life and now as regular armchair quarterbacks, we're going, oh,

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there's a deeper journey here, and you're presented it for

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us inside this book.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I always aim to do that

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in my books, is to take people behind the scenes

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and tell them things they don't know. I mean, everybody

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knows they got to ninth Super Bowls together on one

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to six and all that stuff, but you know, the

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inner workings of it, the ups and downs, the arc

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of their relationship. I think that's where you know, my

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my books, I always try to aim for stuff like

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that so that ticketing people can read it and walk

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away saying, you know, I didn't know that, or you

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know this, this is this just give me something to

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really think about.

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Speaker 1: Well, see, it helps me understand the game even more

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because you know, we all sit there and see that

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the plays, you know, just go after another after another

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four quarters in a row, but we don't know what

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it took to get to that field and the years

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of practice and basically you've got to be able to

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have trust between the coach as well as a player.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I think that you mean in

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terms of.

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Speaker 1: Me, Well, well, even with you sharing this story, you're

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part of this relationship as well, dude, I mean, coming

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then you're you're an important part of this because you're

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building a foundation for the generations that did not get

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to experience Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I feel like anybody, any author, Hey,

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obviously helps to have, you know, good relationship with the

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and the trust of the people that you're writing about.

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Speaker 1: Oh, please do not move. We're just getting started with

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Gary Myers. Hey, thanks for coming back to my conversation

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with sports writer Gary Myers. The name of the book,

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Brady Versus Belichick, the Dynasty debate. They trust that you've

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got to have to be able to get out there

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on that field and play with other people that aren't

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the quarterback and the coach. You've got to make that

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whole entire engine work, you know, like a Ford engine

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where the piston's got to be talking to the gas tank.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, I think that it's kind of

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a cliche, but it's really true that you know, football

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is really the ultimate team sport that no guy can

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do it by himself. That some are more important than others,

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but the coach and the quarterback are the two most

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important pieces of any team, especially championship teams. And the

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trust that Brandan Belchick built in each other early in

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their relationship carried them through two decades and through some

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rough periods where if they didn't already have such a

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strong bond professionally, it would have broken them apart as

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a was it took twenty years for that to happen,

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So that's really a testament to who they are as individuals,

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any personal differences they might have had, and I think

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that did start to develop seven eight years into their relationship.

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I think there was already such a foundation there that

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it was it was able to withstand Spygade and losing

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that game to the Giants and the David Tyree catch

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and going ten years without winning Super Bowls. I mean

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that could have broken up any other relationship that wasn't

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built on such a strong foundation.

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Speaker 1: What's so fascinating about this And I think my connection

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with Brady versus Belichick, the dynasty debate is because it's

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continuing to live even in my life here in Carolina,

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because we've got Belichick, who's over there with the Tar

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Hills every Sunday, I've got Tom Brady on my Fox

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Sports the coach of our team was once one of

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the leaders of Tom Brady when he was down there

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in Florida. And so this is a continuation. And what

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this does, this gives me a clear path of how

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I'm in my moment of now there was something that happened,

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and you really clear up that picture.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you saying that. And you know the

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great thing about this is there's really no right opinion.

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It's just you have an opinion. Some people might say,

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you know, Belichick is the greatest coach of all time

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and he made Brady, or some people who can say, well,

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Brady turned out to be the greatest quarterback of all time,

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and Belichick would have been nothing without him, because he

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didn't succeed before or after without him. That's what makes

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us really fascinating is that you can argue for either

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one of them. I took ultimately I sided with the

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Brady argument in my book. But if somebody said to me,

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I need you to write a book and come to

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the conclusion that it's Belichick, I would have had plenty

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of ammunition to say it was Belichick. It wasn't wouldn't

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have been what I believed, And I probably wouldn't have

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written that book if I didn't believe in it. But

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I'm just saying they both was so good and accomplished

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so much that you could have presented the argument either way.

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Speaker 1: See, because in the same situation, I find myself asking

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the question about, all right, who who wins when it

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comes to the Chicago Bulls. Is it Michael Jordan or

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is it the coach? I think it's Michael Jordan and

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and you know everybody else on the team and then

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here comes the coach. But you've got to have that

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coach to keep that gail together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would agree that, you know, Phil

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Jackson was really fundamental fixed Championships. But you know, would

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Phil have won without Jordan and Pippen? Would he have

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won in LA without Kobe and Shaq? I don't. I

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don't think so. I don't think the great coach overcomes

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not having great players, but I think the great players

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can overcome not having like the greatest coach of all time.

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So it's such a fascinating argument and dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I just love what you're doing because you're giving

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this a better picture as sports fans, and you're also

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just bringing everything together. Where can people go to find

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out more about you, Gary, because I love where your

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heart is when it comes to sharing sports.

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Speaker 2: Well, they can follow me on Twitter if they want,

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Gary Myers, M Y E R S N Y So

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Gary Myers, New York, or you know, to get my books,

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not just not only this book, but all the books

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I've written, you know, got to Amazon, and this book

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Brady Versus Belichick goes on sale, you know, Tuesday, tomorrow,

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September sixteenth, So I hope you know people are into

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the subject and want to learn more about it, and

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I appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 1: Well, I bet you Fox Sports is all over this

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because you know they Terry Bradshaw is going to be

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all over this book, and I hope that he really

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does start dropping some good plugs here.

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Speaker 2: Well, that'd be nice if you know, Terry, gim McCall

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and tell him that.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay,