WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:05.360 A M. Six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:11.880 demand on the iHeartRadio app. Well, Gavin Newsom is not 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:15.439 going to be pleased with all of the press. Somebody 5 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.559 is getting for a potential run for twenty twenty eight 6 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:20.120 on the Democratic ticket. 7 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.399 Is where we kick off the swamp watch. 8 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.719 I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar, 9 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:28.960 and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops. 10 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:32.119 Here we got the real problem is that our leaders 11 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:32.679 are done. 12 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:34.000 The other side never quits. 13 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.840 So what I'm not going anywhere? 14 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:39.920 So now you train the. 15 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.520 Squad, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened 16 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:43.240 by what has been. 17 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.600 You know, Murvans have always been going at president, but 18 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:47.520 they're not stupid. 19 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:50.439 A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth. 20 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:52.119 Have the people voted for you? When not? 21 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:55.799 Swamp's so serious, it's a fix this face a lot. 22 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:00.439 Alright, he's thinking about Gary and Shannon. Who is this 23 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.920 are you talking about? Josh Shapiro? No, who are you 24 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:03.560 talking about? 25 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.920 I'll give you some hints. Okay, He's privately meeting with donors. 26 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:08.920 Jbie Pritzker. 27 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:10.959 No, he's recording a podcast. 28 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.359 Kevin Newsom, you already said it's not him. 29 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:18.040 He's a former Well, let's just say he. 30 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:22.079 Has a proven ability to win in Trump country. He 31 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:24.519 was a two term governor of Kentucky. 32 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.840 His name not as Andy Basher. Oh he is. That's 33 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:29.680 what you're talking about. 34 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.879 Okay, people are saying that this guy was. He is 35 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:38.599 a two term governor even recognizable. Yeah, last year. Now 36 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.439 he is being talked about. Charlie Kirk has said that 37 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.640 he is going to be one of the toughest Democrats 38 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:47.439 to beat. He's speaking at the Future Forward Donor summit 39 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:50.959 this weekend in California. One of the feathers in his 40 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.359 cap as he continues to court donors, which you have 41 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:58.079 to do at this point. He's been relatively under the 42 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:03.200 national radar as an unapologetic Democrat, and he's got to 43 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:08.599 overcome that obscurity, the lack of name recognition. But they 44 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.439 say the challenge is translating what he calls his reasonable 45 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:16.199 and common sense Kentucky story into a national Democratic primary campaign. 46 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.560 They say he's got a low key personality. Will that 47 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.960 be enough to move the needle on the excitement scale 48 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:27.199 when it comes to Democrats, specifically Democratic donors and primary 49 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.439 voters as well, But he's. 50 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:30.520 Doing all the work. 51 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.960 Pete gen Greco is a veteran of several Democratic presidential campaigns. 52 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:37.560 He says he's the kind of guy that's either going 53 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:41.199 to bump along at two percent never catch fire, or 54 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:43.520 he'll catch fire and you'll say, where did this guy 55 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:44.199 come from? 56 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:45.000 You know. 57 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.800 I think one thing about Andy Basher that has. 58 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.520 That has put him on the national in the national 59 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:57.719 spotlight for bad reasons is Kentucky's been ruined by natural 60 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.159 disasters in the last couple of years and he has 61 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:04.439 come out and been as you would expect a governor 62 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:08.199 to be the point man on the recovery efforts. So 63 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.159 that I mean, but outside of that, I don't know 64 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.520 of anything that has, you know, elevated him to a 65 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:13.319 national scale. 66 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:14.879 He's a former attorney general. 67 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:18.479 He talks about all God's children and he's believable when 68 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.800 he does. So they say he's the exact opposite of 69 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:24.199 Donald Trump. So he's an intriguing dark horse for a reason. 70 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:28.360 Work for Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. But he's one 71 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:31.439 of those rural state Democrats that you give a better 72 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.280 I give a better chance to Andy Basher than Gavin Newsom. 73 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.240 Gavin Newsom may be popular on the coasts, but in 74 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.080 the middle, no, not liked, not at all. 75 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.159 He doesn't I don't think he realizes that I. 76 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.039 Have a hard time liking that guy. Politics aside, and 77 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.439 I'm going to yoga today. Imagine the guy tending you know, 78 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.479 the back forty or whatever you say when you're tending land, 79 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.199 and how Gavin Newsom comes across as someone who's not 80 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:58.759 a Californian. 81 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:02.000 Right, who's never had to do that right life exactly, 82 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.599 all right. So we know that trade negotiations are going 83 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.919 to take place between China and the United States. 84 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:10.639 They'll take place in Switzerland. 85 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.599 President Trump today suggested that the US levies on Chinese 86 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:19.160 goods could be lowered down to eighty percent. He posted 87 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:22.040 on truth Social today, eighty percent tariff on China seems 88 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.680 right exclamation point, and then wrote up to Scott b 89 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.879 referring to Scott Bessens, of course, the Secretary of the Treasury, 90 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.600 who will be taking part in those in those discussions 91 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:38.399 in Geneva. The interesting timing of this is that ships 92 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:40.920 that are making their way into the Ports of La 93 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.879 and Long Beach are now the first ones to be 94 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.439 subject to that massive tariff. So in a few weeks 95 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.879 we might start to see some of our regular staples 96 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:56.040 that come in from China at exorbitant prices because of 97 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.959 those tariffs. Gene Soroco, we talked about him, he's execut 98 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.839 the director of the Port of La Earlier this week 99 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.959 he said, we're down thirty five percent compared to the 100 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.040 same time last year, and these cargo ships coming in 101 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.399 are the first ones to be attached to the tariffs 102 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.160 that were levied against China and other locations last month. 103 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:20.120 So the Port of La did expect eighty ships this month, 104 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:25.079 eighty ships in May. About twenty percent of those have canceled, 105 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.360 and there have already been at least a dozen canceled 106 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.279 sailings for the month of June. Not that they couldn't 107 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.120 restart them, but it does take a few weeks to 108 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:36.639 get across the Pacific full of that stuff. So the 109 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.560 timing is significant because we are starting to see the 110 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:45.639 first shipments of the very highly tariffed. 111 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:46.920 Goods coming into the United States. 112 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.800 A couple of local stories right now. Mark Geragis is 113 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.959 on the microphone outside of the courthouse in Van Eyes 114 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:59.199 talking about what's going on with the legal minutia and 115 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.480 the wrangling between him and Nathan Hawkman. 116 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:03.240 You want it, Oh, sure. 117 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:08.720 We also have the habeas in front of a different judge. 118 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.680 I did not want to without a fully developed record 119 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.000 because I just got this information Brian will talk about. 120 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.839 Okay, So Garigis wanted the DA's office to accuse itself 121 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:20.519 from the case. 122 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.120 He has pulled that motion again. 123 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:26.480 It's all weedy legal stuff and now it's just it's 124 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.759 it's devolved into a Mark Garrigus Nathan Hawkman dog and 125 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:33.079 pony show outside of that courthouse. The news is nothing 126 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:34.879 happened on the Menanda's Brothers front today. 127 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:37.399 There you go, and I think they scheduled another hearing 128 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:38.519 for next week exactly. 129 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:42.560 The other big local story is the guy who they 130 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.279 were looking for for two weeks, a manhunt that lasted 131 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:47.879 two weeks long, has now been arrested. This is the 132 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.959 guy that they like for the murder inside that upscale 133 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:56.000 Valley Village apartment complex. He was taken into custody at 134 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.000 a mental hospital. I believe so the victim fifty three 135 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.360 old Manny was killed in that apartment complex in Valley Village. 136 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.600 But they now have the guy that did it, so 137 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.639 people can rest easy there. 138 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:09.279 Okay. 139 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:15.120 Something we have been preaching but haven't been seeing very 140 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.839 much is people willing to look the other way when 141 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:22.160 it comes to whatever political party you have behind your name, 142 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.360 if you identify that way. And we'll talk about how 143 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:31.040 Republicans and Democrats in DC can remain friends despite you know, well, 144 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:31.480 there's that. 145 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:33.680 I'm glad that microphone wasn't. 146 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:34.279 On mine was. 147 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.000 Gary and Shannon will continue a reminder tonight Dodgers taken 148 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.360 on the Diamondbacks in Arizona first pitches at six forty. 149 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:42.399 You can listen to all the Dodgers' games on AM 150 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.439 five seventy LA Sports live from the Galpin Motors Broadcast booth, 151 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.879 and stream all the games HD on the iHeartRadio app. 152 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.079 Use the keyword AM five seventy LA Sports. 153 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.360 We have a big announcement coming up at noon. We're 154 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.800 giving away some Mother's Day gifts still to come, a 155 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.279 couple of them coming up on the show, So keep 156 00:07:59.279 --> 00:07:59.879 it right here. 157 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.920 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 158 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:06.319 AM six forty. 159 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.160 We've talked about people crossing the isle and being friends. 160 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.480 I look no further than Ruth Bader Ginsburg right on 161 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:21.879 the on the Supreme Court with antonin Scalia. You look 162 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.439 at James Carvill and his wife. You know, you look 163 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:29.839 at Joe Biden several times when he still had it 164 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:33.600 together and spent forty years reaching across the isle and 165 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.639 made front. But the difference is now we are playing 166 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:39.960 so much dirtier, it seems, or at least all the 167 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.320 dirtors is out in the open flying around. 168 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:43.559 Yeah. 169 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.960 There was an interesting Wall Street Journal article that talks 170 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.159 about Republicans and Democrats doing or pulling off the unthinkable, 171 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:52.799 and that is staying friends even in a political environment 172 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.720 that is so divided like we've seen in the last 173 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.919 fifteen twenty years. Whatever it is, and they refer specifically, 174 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.919 there is a bipartisan group of lawmakers that meets every 175 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.080 morning in the House gym six thirty in the morning 176 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.759 and they do an hour of cardio and waits. They 177 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.480 do not talk about politics. It's forbidden. In fact, they say, 178 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:17.480 the biggest point of contention in that hour long gym 179 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.080 session first thing in the morning is Congressman Darren Lehood's 180 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:26.879 Pandora subscription because this Republican out of Illinois refuses to upgrade, 181 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.000 so he's got the basic level. And there's a bunch 182 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:33.159 of ads that promote funny businesses in Peoria, Illinois that 183 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.879 regularly interrupt your gym vibe. 184 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:38.480 Whatever it is. That's the way it kind of should be. 185 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.080 Right now, what I think is surprising to a lot 186 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:42.519 of people. 187 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:45.840 I believe this is a guess. 188 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.200 I believe a lot more people are paying attention to 189 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:51.960 politics now than they did ten years ago. And it's 190 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.399 more common for people to follow politics now than they 191 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.919 did ten years ago, for no other reason than for 192 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:57.679 social media. 193 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.559 Right, But if you look at the. 194 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:05.240 The sniping, angry tone that you hear in some of 195 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.919 the committee hearings, for example, that every politician knows is 196 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:10.840 going to be televised and they want to get their 197 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.559 viral moment out there. Just think of Marjorie Taylor Green 198 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:16.000 and Jasmine Crockett going after each other's looks. 199 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:21.000 That type of thing is on display in DC. 200 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.559 But that a lot of people would be surprised at 201 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:31.799 how friendly and cordial and respectful the lawmakers are when 202 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.159 there is no camera around, when there is no microphone 203 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.480 in front of their faces. Obviously, antagonism has grown between 204 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:44.360 Republicans and Democrats, and one of the reasons that this 205 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.919 article points out is jerrymandering, you know, the sort of 206 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:57.759 artificial reconfiguring the borders of congressional districts, because it has 207 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.799 shrunk the number of those competitive elections. And if you 208 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.759 reward or if you cater to your party's base, there's 209 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:10.840 a like more stronger, more stronger, a stronger likely or 210 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.240 that you're going to be elected. I mean, Marjorie Taylor 211 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:17.240 Green is one of the examples of a very very conservative, 212 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:21.960 right wing person out of Georgia who in days past 213 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.000 might not have gotten elected simply because she wouldn't have 214 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.120 been moderate enough she would have to appeal to some 215 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:32.679 of the Democrats. So they also said that fundraising tactics 216 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:35.600 have diminished the power of the party leaders, so that 217 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:40.159 those loudest lawmakers think AOC are the ones that are 218 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:44.879 going to raise the most money. And I mean, anything 219 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:48.360 that's happened in the last ten years politically has only 220 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.399 ratcheted up those tensions. And the guy like they use 221 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.639 the example of John Fetterman out of Pennsylvania. Have you 222 00:11:55.720 --> 00:12:00.399 noticed the number of articles about John Fetterman and that 223 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:04.519 are questioning his mental capacity to do work now as 224 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:08.200 a senator. There's a dozen of them out there within 225 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:12.519 the last week, and he has fought back against those 226 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.120 and just said, hey, listen, it's like goodfellas. Everybody's got 227 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.240 to take a whacken now and then. And he's an 228 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.840 outspoken guy who has said that he fully understands and 229 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.159 supports some Trump policies. Not that he's ever going to 230 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:30.159 change his party affiliation to Republican, but he's a guy 231 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:34.159 who otherwise probably wouldn't be re elected in the state 232 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:38.480 of Pennsylvania just based on the way it leans. So 233 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:42.960 at the orientation for new senators a few years ago, 234 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.480 Alabama Republican Katie Britt made friends with a couple of Democrats. 235 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.360 Fetterman was one of them, Peter Welch of Vermont was 236 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:55.679 the other one, And Welch then invited the two again 237 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:01.720 fresh co freshman senators over for dinner one night, and 238 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.919 he served salmon with arugula giant blueberries, and Katie Britt said, 239 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.879 wait a minute, that's next level. Why are you treating 240 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:14.919 me so nicely that this Republican out of Alabama is 241 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:19.919 surprised that this democrat out of Vermont is finding common 242 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:23.320 ground in Hey, we're in this together. We're both freshmen 243 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.679 and the Senate. We got to kind of watch each 244 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:27.840 other's backs and help each other out, even though we 245 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.679 may be going down the statee different paths when it 246 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:35.039 comes to politically speaking. But they've kept up this tradition 247 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:40.080 of dinner that they regularly get together and have enjoyed 248 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.960 each other's company and the spouses and all of that 249 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:44.679 sort of stuff. 250 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.360 I don't know if Fetterman's wife is around. She seems 251 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:48.360 to be a. 252 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:52.279 A group of guys built a secret apartment in a mall, 253 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.919 and now this secret apartment is making headlines and it 254 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.600 is getting its own television treatment and will tell you 255 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.399 a story when we come back. Also coming up in 256 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:06.000 the show, we have a big announcement to make at noon. 257 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.360 We're giving away a couple of Mother's Day gifts. If 258 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:12.799 you've been slow to the uptake on what to get mom, 259 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:15.120 we can help you out in that department. Or if 260 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:17.679 you are a mom, now for you out to get 261 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:18.360 it for yourself. 262 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.840 Yeah, Happy Friday, guys, I hope you can hear me. 263 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.799 I'm outside getting my house painted today, and I wanted 264 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.919 to check on the painters and shot out here, I'm 265 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.960 having the house painted kind of pale yellow, and hey, 266 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:31.720 that's white. 267 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:31.960 Bro. 268 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:34.559 See what he did? 269 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:36.159 I see what he is? That's white. 270 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:39.039 Bro. Well, I wanted to make it clear that that 271 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.000 was white smoke and that we indeed had a pope. 272 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.000 And listen, we all have regrets in life. 273 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.879 You don't regret that regret that you said it twice 274 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.480 because you said it differently. 275 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:51.759 Bro. 276 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.200 That's white. Yeah, that's white, bro. 277 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.000 Bro, that's white. Oh my god, that's white. 278 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:04.879 Bro. You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from 279 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:06.519 KFI AM six forty. 280 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.399 I wouldn't say it's always been a dream of mine, 281 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:15.440 but I've always had this weird image of what happens 282 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.440 in stores after they close. When I was a kid, 283 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:21.840 I've told the story before. We used to go to 284 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.879 Mervin's to do our back to school shopping. Not to brag, 285 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:26.519 but we lived pretty high on the hog at the 286 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:33.559 Murmur and I would remember open. I remember climbing into 287 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.879 those clothes racks, you know, the big circular rack got 288 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:40.120 five hundred shirts on it, and you climb into the 289 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:44.360 middle of it, and it was quiet in there, and 290 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:45.879 no one could see you in there. 291 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:48.279 And I bet you if I stayed in there. 292 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.440 For hours forgotten you, it would close the store and 293 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:53.320 I would have the run of the place by myself. 294 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:58.039 Everybody had that sort of fantasy. In the eighties, there 295 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:02.440 were a number of films about people hanging out in 296 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.200 malls after they were closed. Mannequin Mannequin maybe the most popular, 297 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:10.320 and Manniquin two Electric Boogaloo. Sure well. There was a 298 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:14.879 group of artists using air quotes here who in two 299 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.720 thousand and three were kind of priced out of their 300 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:21.120 community in Providence, Rhode Island. They were living in an 301 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:25.080 artist commune that had been gentrified, and so they had 302 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:26.759 nowhere to go. They didn't have a lot of money, 303 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.200 and they found this like space, this crawl space, essentially 304 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.200 inside the nearby Providence placemall. 305 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:35.840 I have been to this mall anyway. 306 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.720 It was a seven hundred and fifty square foot space 307 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.759 hidden inside. They would sneak in through a parking garage stairwell. 308 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.360 There's also a way to get it in through a 309 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.799 bunch of emergency exits. Anyway, they managed to bring in furniture, 310 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.120 a TV gaming console. Again, this is two thousand and three, 311 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:55.879 they tap into the mall's electricity. They construct their own 312 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.240 cinder block walls with a lockable door. 313 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:04.000 This whole thing, we had eight different people, artists specifically, 314 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.039 so make your own judgment with that word. Eight artists 315 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.240 live there for weeks at a time until the year 316 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:15.759 two thousand and seven when Michael Townsend was caught by 317 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:17.440 a trio of security guards. 318 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:24.440 Them being again artists with finger air quotes here. They 319 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:27.759 were approached by several people who found out about this 320 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:31.359 are authors, filmmakers, TV creators. People wanted to adapt this 321 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:36.519 into a story, and because they're artists, they said, nobody 322 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:38.599 seemed like the right person for the job. Could you 323 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.640 imagine that you're like a broke artist living in a 324 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:45.039 room in a mall and people are approaching you to 325 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:46.880 tell your story and how you guys were able to 326 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.799 do this for four years, and you're like, h, you 327 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.279 don't seem like the right guy to put our story 328 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:54.119 on the television. 329 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:57.799 That's something an artist, of course, it is a finger quotes, Yes, artists. 330 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:04.559 So they did find a guy who is also a 331 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.599 documentary filmmaker who wanted to do this, and he convinced 332 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:12.000 them to go with him because he wanted to highlight 333 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.680 the act of resistance. He referred to it that underlied 334 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.920 the whole stunt in the first place, which was to 335 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:25.279 build and maintain Actually this secret apartment inside this mall. 336 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.960 The filmmaker, they said, was somebody who seems to be 337 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:33.759 fascinated by eccentric or obsessive people and uses his films 338 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:35.319 to make them accessible. 339 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:36.920 So the. 340 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:43.200 Documentary Secret Mall Apartment relies on old footage and a 341 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.680 bunch of new interviews to talk about the Okay, now 342 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.200 buckle in, because this is where it starts to lose 343 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:54.519 touch with reality. It relies on old footage and new 344 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:59.440 interviews to probe the impact of rampant capitalism. 345 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:01.960 On individual people. 346 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.960 Nobody's asking you for that message. 347 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.079 Well, all we want to hear about is a few 348 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:07.920 dudes living in a crawl space. 349 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:13.200 The filmmaker a guy named Jeremy Workman. He says, documentaries 350 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.000 are good at capturing the strata of time. We went 351 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:18.599 through this cycle where malls were really important for our communities, 352 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:21.079 and now we're in this dead mall period. Like, wait, 353 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:24.720 is it better that malls don't exist now that that 354 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.680 in and of itself, yes, that might be something that's 355 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:31.200 worth a discussion. We all know places that we either 356 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:34.359 grew up around, you know, malls that were brand new 357 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.680 when we were kids, that have now just completely been mothballed, 358 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:40.440 some that have been torn down, some that do not 359 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.160 look anything like they did even ten years ago. And 360 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.720 that is a legitimate discussion, That is a legitimate question 361 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.440 of where are we on this on the timeline of 362 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.759 what a mall is and can be for a community. 363 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.799 But a lot of this, you know, these people talk 364 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:02.519 about the passion and for malls, has waned in recent years. 365 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:09.400 A lot of people, including some of some of Townsend's friends, 366 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:11.720 distanced themselves from the whole thing. They didn't want to 367 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.799 be the guy known as the guy who lived in 368 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.680 the mall. So a bunch of Michael Townsend's friends just said, hey, 369 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.599 you're on your own finger quotes. Artists, do your own 370 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.160 finger quotes art on your own time. We don't want 371 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:29.759 to have anything to do with it. All eight of 372 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:32.680 the people that did live in that secret mall apartment 373 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.759 appear in the documentary. Some of them are a little 374 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:38.319 bit more prominent than others. They appear in hours of 375 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.920 footage that were captured, not just during their mall days 376 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:46.480 on the old Pentax cameras. It's funny because the way 377 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:51.359 that it's the way Michael Townsend says, all of that 378 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.039 old footage, the old stuff was never really meant to 379 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.319 be seen by anyone. They never had an intention of 380 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.680 putting this together as a documentary. And he said, there 381 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.119 was some very pure about what we were doing at 382 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:05.839 the time. It could be dumb, it could be profound, 383 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:08.240 whatever you think of it, but it's pure because they 384 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.480 were just doing it for the sake of doing it, 385 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.079 to live in this secret apartment even. 386 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:13.960 Though they didn't have to. 387 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:18.200 So again, this secret mall apartment is this new documentary 388 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:23.240 that's out there for these people who lived in a fake, 389 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.440 made up corner of a mall for the. 390 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:28.759 Course of about four years before they got caught. 391 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:34.480 There is a new lawn in Virginia actually that restricts 392 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.839 social media usage for kids. 393 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.039 Bless their hearts. How do you put the. 394 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:42.799 Toothpaste back into the tube? How would you enforce this? 395 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.640 How would you have parents enforce this? It seems kind 396 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:47.480 of silly, doesn't it. 397 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:49.680 We'll talk about it when we come back. 398 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:54.440 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI 399 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:55.599 AM six forty. 400 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.920 That's like me being pissed that so Viet spacecraft isn't 401 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:03.640