WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:18.239 Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday, and that 2 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:20.960 means we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo. 3 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:24.600 Of course, I've got an interesting guest today, Guys. I 4 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.800 met Louis at Bravo con. So he was with Brian 5 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:31.800 moylan and our good friend Mandy Slutsker. He also like 6 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:34.439 Kay Casey. We have so many people in common. And 7 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.399 when I looked him up, I was super impressed. And 8 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.039 you know, I love to like stalk people, and I 9 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.119 was like, oh my gosh. Louie writes for Harper's Bazaar. 10 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.880 He's written for Rolling Stone, New York Times, Culture, New 11 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.119 York Magazine, Hello, Slate. The list goes on and on. 12 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.840 So I am super intrigued with Louis and I'm so 13 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:54.119 glad you're here because we could talk about pop culture 14 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:59.359 and my new obsession. Ladies of London, welcome London Calling. 15 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:03.320 Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited 16 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:04.359 to be on your podcast. 17 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.120 Oh my gosh. Now we met a Bravo con and 18 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:10.959 you were there writing a piece for who. 19 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.159 So I was writing two pieces. I was following, well, 20 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.120 not following. That sounds a little bit stalkery. I was 21 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:22.000 shadowing which actually doesn't sound much less stock great Rachel Zoe. 22 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:23.519 For the day. 23 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.719 So I was basically like riding around in a golf 24 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.400 buggy with her and as she reintroduced herself to the 25 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:33.840 Bravo world. This was about a couple of weeks before 26 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:38.120 the Beverly Hills current season premier, so we obviously got 27 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.879 a sneak peek of the first fifteen minutes so BRAVACN. 28 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.079 So yeah, it was basically like the reintroduction of Rachel Zoe. 29 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:46.000 So that was for the. 30 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.519 Cut and that was amazing, and she was exactly as 31 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.000 she is on the show, and you know, just speaking 32 00:01:52.200 --> 00:02:00.400 in confessional speak constantly. And then the other piece, which 33 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.239 was from Russell So as you as you know someone 34 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:07.280 who's been to BRAVACN, BRAVACN is like the center of merch. 35 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.000 You know, all the fans have their own march, Bravo's 36 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.240 got its own march, Every reality starts their own march. 37 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:16.439 There's like a huge market on full display. So I 38 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.280 was speaking to fans and speaking to some of the 39 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:19.759 people at the stalls and things like that. 40 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:26.400 Incredible, incredible. I we met Rachel Zoe and BRAVOCN Ingrid 41 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.719 and I. We were in the vip room, and in 42 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.879 the vip room every so often they'll just bring in 43 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.000 somebody and you don't know who it's going to be, 44 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.919 and it's the luck of the draw. And rachel Zoe 45 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:41.080 came in and stood and we went and got in line. Normally, 46 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.039 we would just sort of look afar and be like, 47 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.280 oh wow, there's Sierra from Summer House, or you know, 48 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.439 there's brooks Marks. But with rachel Zoe, we were like, 49 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.840 oh no, we need We're gonna have to get a 50 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.319 picture with her. And we were the last of the 51 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.800 line and the lady was about to cut us off 52 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.560 and we're like, come on, so she let us get 53 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.280 the picture. We were, we were on it. We were 54 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:06.280 so fast like selfie, gotta go, so excited. Rachel Zo 55 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:12.159 looked like to us, like stunned, like Brava Gane had 56 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.080 had broken her. She was like, what is this? 57 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.960 Well, yeah, I spoke to her about this very thing 58 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.560 because the last time, as you know, she was on Bravo, 59 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:26.439 it was pre Instagram. You know, there wasn't the sort 60 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.439 of evolved social media fandom which you know, you and 61 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.280 I are are sort of a part of that. Wasn't 62 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.840 that web of creators, and there certainly wasn't a Bravo Khan. 63 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.080 I mean, I think I think in twenty ten, that 64 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:41.479 was maybe the year Beverly Hills had its first season, 65 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.000 and that was I think when her show maybe ended. 66 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:46.520 I'm not I'm not quite sure of the exact dates, 67 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.280 but she was on very early. I mean I spoke 68 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.400 to Andy about her and he was which was side note, 69 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:56.840 we'll talk about that in a second, but he said 70 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:59.240 to me that he started producing her show before he 71 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.680 even did his US Real Housewives reunion, So she kind 72 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.520 of really predates housewives in a lot of ways. 73 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:07.840 So she's very school. 74 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.120 And also, don't you think those Beverly Hills women like 75 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:12.960 there's a kind of just a I don't even know 76 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:14.879 how to describe it. The Beverly Hills to me, are 77 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.720 like the prestige, Like there's a certain status that comes 78 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.120 with being a Beverly Hills housewife that I think makes 79 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:26.920 everyone kind of just go oh wow, like they're seeing 80 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:31.399 I don't know, I don't know, just like a list 81 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:32.319 stars in the house. 82 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.720 Yes, world, Yes. And it's interesting that you said that 83 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.240 because I just read an article that you did for 84 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:46.040 Betches about millennial housewives on Bravo and you used Amanda 85 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.199 as an example, and I want to talk about that 86 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.800 because you just saying that about Beverly Hills reminded me 87 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:55.480 of that article. 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Firstly, thank you for bringing this up. 165 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:19.000 It's something that's been on my mind because she really 166 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.679 sums up to me the new wife as in the 167 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.279 sort of the younger crop of past wives we're seeing. 168 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:29.960 Obviously she's quite an extreme example, but yeah, the sort 169 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.039 of therapy speak. The don't get me wrong, I don't 170 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.720 think there's anything wrong with therapy speak in certain situations, 171 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:38.840 and like, it is actually really good to have healthy 172 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.960 boundaries in friendships. But it's a strange mixture and I 173 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:47.679 think hypocrisy where she's going into the friendships and expecting 174 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:49.879 them to be like her friendships in the everyday world, 175 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.279 which is kind of which is kind of ridiculous if 176 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.399 you think about it, because in the everyday world, firstly, 177 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.399 these women are we're seeing a small percentage of what's 178 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:58.000 actually filmed. 179 00:09:58.000 --> 00:09:59.399 Like these women are hanging out with each other. 180 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:01.840 Near on every day for about four months, which is 181 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.440 you know, most people don't see their friends that often, 182 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.159 let alone if you are having really fractious, you know, 183 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.759 difficult conversations, you would probably not speak to someone for 184 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.080 a while, like, but in this world, you're at dinner 185 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.200 party with them the next day, So it's not it's 186 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.840 not realistic to put those expectations onto these friendships. But 187 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.399 then there's a flip side of that, which is when 188 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.279 it's time to promote business or do self promo, which 189 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.840 as we've seen Amanda do literally relentlessly when. 190 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.600 She's on the show. Yes, to go back to my 191 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:32.320 point I just made. 192 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:34.799 We're seeing a small snippet, So think how much she 193 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.399 must actually be talking about this is how much we're seeing. 194 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.919 It must be constant, never ending, talking about her business. 195 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:45.240 So when they want to talk about business, it's like, oh, suddenly, 196 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:47.759 this is a work platform. It's you know, it's a word, 197 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:49.840 it's a job. But when it's time to have those 198 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:54.080 actually difficult conversations across the dinner table, it's you're verbally 199 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.879 costing me, And this is you know, my body's experiencing. 200 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.360 This is like a physiological attack or whatever. It wasn't 201 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.600 she actually said crazy. My eyes was rolling into the 202 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.120 back of my head. And by the way, I say 203 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.039 all this as a millennial, I am a millennial. I 204 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.639 get where she's coming from. I'm probably you know, I'm 205 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.879 closer in age to her than the other other women. 206 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.679 But I still think that her expectations of conflict are 207 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.120 not realistic for being on what is, let's be honest, 208 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.600 a conflict centered show, and it's not just her. I 209 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:33.559 think on the Potomac Reunion, okay, I said something to 210 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.200 the effect of, like people are more sensitive than you. 211 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:40.200 People the show are more sensitive than the than Like 212 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.440 the bars sort have changed from what you're allowed to 213 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.919 say and what's what's considered shade and what's considered mean 214 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.200 that you know, that has changed, And. 215 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.039 I do think that's changed because some of the women younger. 216 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.639 The irony is that actually is obviously like a very 217 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.600 exceptional case of someone that was practically born and raised 218 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:58.600 on this show, like she's been. I think she was 219 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:02.720 twenty eight or something when she on her very young, 220 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:07.440 which is very unusual in the housewives world. But she's 221 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.200 kind of a weird exception. But because she's sort of 222 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.080 a younger person that's been in the older era. But yeah, 223 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.960 I think that Amanda sums up a lot of this stuff. 224 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.720 It's another part of it is, you know, this relentless 225 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.799 sort of self promotion. I think that the best housewives 226 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.399 understand that you get to promote yourself if you want 227 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.559 to do that once you formed an emotional connection with people. 228 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:33.919 It's kind of like a quid pro pro right, It's 229 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.080 like you let us into your life, you share, you 230 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.679 give us you know, the details of your divorce or 231 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.679 like whatever whatever your problem is in your life or 232 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.879 what you know. We want to see as the audience 233 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.480 that everyone shit stinks, right, Like, no matter no matter 234 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.759 how expensive the sheets, no matter how opulent the bed, 235 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:54.799 we like to see that, oh, these people are going 236 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.200 through things that we relate to. It's like a strange 237 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.039 Venn diagram of relatability and escapism and when it crosses 238 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:02.639 over that's the sweet spot. And I think the Best 239 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:06.440 Housewives understand that Rachel Zau is a great example. 240 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.519 She's you know, she kind. 241 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.159 Of she's an individual case because her brand is basically 242 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:15.159 being Rachel Zoe and being fabulous the whole time. 243 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:15.399 Right. 244 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.399 Yes, if you think Rachel Zau has not tried to 245 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.200 sell us one product, or taken us to one product 246 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:25.440 launch or done done anything that's like directly like by 247 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:29.720 this now in the whole show, she has basically led 248 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:32.879 us into her life sort of relaunching where she's at 249 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.480 now exploring this sort of what I just said that 250 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:39.919 the pressures and the greatness but also the complicatedness of 251 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:41.840 stepping out after a divorce. 252 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:43.360 Isn't that something so many women. 253 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:47.399 Can relate to, even if you're not, Although that's such 254 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:49.600 a relatable thing. So she's understanding that you have to 255 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.720 build that connection with people before, like maybe next season 256 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:54.600 we'll see her doing like a new line of like 257 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:55.840 Rachel's or a new you know. 258 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:59.879 Something business like, but she's, yeah, we probably will. 259 00:13:59.919 --> 00:14:02.159 I would be very surprised if you don't, but I 260 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:03.919 won't be mad about it because I feel like she's 261 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:07.840 we've earned that, Like she's shared enough that it feels genuine. 262 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.679 Whereas Amanda showing up in like episode one and like 263 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:12.639 flogging off her products. 264 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:14.600 It just doesn't does it. 265 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:19.039 But her product is, as Bo's and Rachel said when 266 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:22.720 they were shopping is you know, it was a conversation 267 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.799 of her product is meditation, but she wrote books about it, 268 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:30.320 to meditate about business, to be rich. But what's the business? 269 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:32.879 It's sort of like, you know, and you can see 270 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:36.519 you know, accomplished business people like Bo's and Rachel Zoe 271 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:40.679 being confused about explaining this business and then her being 272 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:44.840 so rude about the books. You know, like I got her, 273 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.159 we got her point right. She didn't have a ghostwriter. 274 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.519 That's fine, but to be like I just thought everybody 275 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.799 wrote their books and just to keep saying it, it's 276 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.399 like you're not making any friends. You're making these women 277 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:57.600 hate you. You know. 278 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.200 Also, can I just I know a lot I actually 279 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.559 know people that have ghost written books. You know, Brian 280 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:09.320 Moreland as you know ghost Danes New York Times bestselling memoir. 281 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:12.919 There's a lot of skill that goes into that ghost 282 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.360 writing a book. But there's a lot of skill, Like 283 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.080 it's that working relationship with the ghostwriter that makes the 284 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.279 book good and that let me tell you, the person 285 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:21.960 isn't sitting there and writing all of the book. 286 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:23.679 It's like a collaborative project. 287 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:29.639 And as someone that's actually you know, written writes professionally, 288 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:31.600 I think that it would be kind of silly for 289 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.159 Deit to just attempt to write a book from nothing 290 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.799 like like like some people spend their lives working as 291 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.519 journalists and writers normally before they even attempt to write 292 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.360 a book, which to be not done. So that doesn't 293 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:43.960 really make a huge amount of sense to me for 294 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:45.919 Deit to be writing her book for nowhere, like I 295 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.240 think it will be a much higher quality piece of 296 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.799 work working with someone that knows how to write a 297 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:51.399 book like that. 298 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.360 She's not a writer, so that would make nice. 299 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:57.559 Yeah, whereas a man, that kind of I think is 300 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.960 almost positioning, like she's obviously positioning herself as this, you know, 301 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.879 manifestation expert. But I do think she does consider herself 302 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.480 a writer, so you know, maybe it just makes more 303 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:09.080 sense for her to write her book if that's her 304 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:09.720 main gig. 305 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.440 But yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I actually so. 306 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:15.279 I would just like to say, as a caveat to this, 307 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:17.960 I think that Amana has been dealt a rough hand 308 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.919 with the whole derit comments that she made about the 309 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.879 marriage and things like that. I think she was kind 310 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:27.600 of set up agree, So all of these comments I'm 311 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.000 saying about her general annoyingness are not actually to do 312 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.759 with that. Like I think that I actually sided with 313 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:35.360 her in that situation. I think that what she said 314 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.600 was not that much of a deep comment, like it's 315 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.679 being presented like she stopped the whole dinner to make 316 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:45.000 some grandiose, massive statement about Durete's marriage. It was like 317 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.399 kind of like, oh, maybe she shouldn't do that. I 318 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.559 would honestly consider it a throwaway comment, which I understand 319 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:51.919 when you're in the middle of it and when it's 320 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.639 about you, nothing about it is ever going to feel throwaway. 321 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:58.000 But it's being presented that she was doing something that 322 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:00.080 to me, she really wasn't doing in that moment. And 323 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.840 I'm also second one is she's right, stop speaking about 324 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.480 Stop speaking about your marriage like this is there's a 325 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.400 reason why everyone in history doesn't do that, because it's 326 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.839 going to create so many problems for you. And also 327 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:14.680 like it's one thing for her to say, oh, I'm 328 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.160 not speaking badly about him to the kids, right, but 329 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.880 let me tell you, dearit says her kids are really young. 330 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.920 Jagger's eleven. That is actually not that young. Like he's 331 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:24.200 gonna be able to google things. 332 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:24.799 Wow, Like. 333 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.400 He's gonna be able to google things soon. Like it's 334 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.759 not like if not already. Like things she's saying are 335 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:34.559 going to be put out there. You know, you and 336 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.720 I both know everything gets clipped, Everything gets put in 337 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.759 a million places and lasts forever. So everything you say 338 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:44.519 could you might not be saying it directly to them, 339 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.160 but you're saying it to millions of people. So I 340 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.359 don't necessarily consider that to be much better. 341 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.680 Well, and I think a lot of when you think 342 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:53.440 about the kids, I think a lot about they go 343 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.480 to school and another kid maybe like, oh my god, 344 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:59.839 I heard my parents talking, or I heard my mom 345 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.079 talking to somebody saying that your mond dad are getting 346 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.559 a divorce, or you know, kids do that. They hear 347 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.839 what their parents say and they go and repeat it 348 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.960 to their friends. And so if they're not allowed to 349 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.960 be on the internet, first of all, where there's a will, 350 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.000 there's a way kids will get on the internet anyway. 351 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.200 You know, my kids got Twitter when they weren't allowed to, 352 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.160 you know, like that's what they do. So it's it's 353 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.240 hard to protect your kids from it. So the best way, 354 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.119 in my opinion, is to just keep it cute and 355 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.359 mute and only talk to your friends about it and 356 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.319 don't sort of openly blast the other person because you 357 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:38.240 could end up a year down the road really getting 358 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.559 along and the damage is done. 359 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:42.480 You know, the flip side of it. 360 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:44.920 But the flip side of it is also like okay, 361 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.119 but it does make quite a good television, Like you 362 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:50.039 know what I mean with these housewives, we love to 363 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:52.079 be like, why aren't they sharing enough? And then they 364 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:54.200 share some stuff that we don't think is like appropriate 365 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:59.000 and we're like stop sharing that because it's a difficult job. Obviously, 366 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.799 is probably being courage by production and so forth to 367 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:05.880 share all this stuff about her marriage. I think there 368 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.079 was a few seasons ago where her job was very 369 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:12.680 much in the balance, and then then she separated from PEK. 370 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:14.960 I think it was perhaps before she separated from PK, 371 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.039 But I think she's probably being encouraged behind the scenes 372 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:21.559 to like share, share, share, And you've also got to think, 373 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.480 if she's in this position where she doesn't really know 374 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.359 what's going on with her finances, how much money PK has, 375 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:30.319 how much paid for this is really her big gig, 376 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.720 Like I mean, let's be honest, Beverly Beach, if it 377 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:33.839 even still exists. 378 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.400 Is not paid. It's not paying the bills. 379 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:40.440 So this is her number one earner, so she really 380 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.240 needs to make sure that she's keeping her position. So 381 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:46.279 I think sharing is probably influenced by a lot of 382 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:49.200 those types of pressures as well. What did you think 383 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:51.599 about her shopping. I'm interested to hear what your opinion 384 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:51.920 is on this. 385 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.799 It's interesting because I've heard this about Derate. I heard 386 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.400 Andy last year probably on his show. He had gone 387 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.759 to I want to say Paris for something that had 388 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:09.039 to do with Spotify or Serious or something. And he 389 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.119 was there only a couple of days, and he said, 390 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.839 I ran into durat and maybe it was Cynthia Bailey, 391 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.480 and they went in and out of they were at 392 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:23.039 the shops in Paris and they went into like Louis 393 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:26.319 Vauton or Chanel or something, and he said, Durie came 394 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:29.680 out with bags and bags, and he said, and that's 395 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.079 not fake. She was buying the stuff at the store. 396 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.359 She wasn't going on the real reel like I do. 397 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:36.279 She was. 398 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:40.039 She was going in a Chanelle's store coming out with bags. 399 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:42.920 And he said that Cynthia or whoever was the other 400 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.680 housewife was like, that's how she does it. So they've 401 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.839