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<v Speaker 1>Hello, this is Martin Willis. I'm reading an audio blog

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<v Speaker 1>by Charles Lear, a nineteen seventy three humanoid case from

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<v Speaker 1>Indiana by UFO history book and author Charles Lear. We

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<v Speaker 1>often write about UFO cases that end up being neglected

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<v Speaker 1>as other more dramatic cases grab the attention of investigators

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<v Speaker 1>and the press. A case that was doomed just to

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of treatment involved reports on October twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three out of Indiana. This was just after

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<v Speaker 1>the October twelfth Pasca Gula incident and the October eighteenth

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<v Speaker 1>Coin helicopter incident. And while all three cases share the

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<v Speaker 1>front page of the September October nineteen seventy three APRO bulletin,

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<v Speaker 1>the Indiana case faded into obscurity as the other two

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<v Speaker 1>cases became classics. We first came across this case in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventy five Center for the UFO Studies publication

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<v Speaker 1>Physical Traces associated with UFO Sightings, a preliminary catalog compiled

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<v Speaker 1>by Ted Phillips and edited by Mimi Heinik. The case

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<v Speaker 1>shows up on page ninety five and is included in

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<v Speaker 1>the catalog because there were traces found in a field

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<v Speaker 1>of the day after the sightings. The source for the

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<v Speaker 1>report is given as the aforementioned issue of the APRO

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<v Speaker 1>bulletin the Indiana case got the big headline occupants in

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<v Speaker 1>Indiana above, UFO chases helicopter in the first column and

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<v Speaker 1>Pascagoula affair in the second. According to the article starting

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<v Speaker 1>in the third column, at nine to forty five pm

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<v Speaker 1>on October twenty second, mister and Missus Dwayne Donathan were

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<v Speaker 1>driving home from Missus Donathan's mother's house in Hartford City, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the way, they saw two small creatures in the

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<v Speaker 1>road ahead of them. They reported what they saw and

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<v Speaker 1>were interviewed by Connorsfield Base APRO field investigator Donald Worley.

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<v Speaker 1>Missus Donathan is quoted describing the scene. We were coming

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<v Speaker 1>home from visiting my mother and I was driving Dwayne,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband held the baby, and we were just a

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<v Speaker 1>block from home. I rounded a slight curve and a

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<v Speaker 1>small hill, and there in the road we've seen what

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<v Speaker 1>I thought might be a reflection from a farm tractor

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<v Speaker 1>in the road. I slowed down and I could see

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<v Speaker 1>what it looked like two kids about four feet tall,

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<v Speaker 1>moving in the road. I stopped the car about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>feet distant, and with headlights shining on them, I decided

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<v Speaker 1>it could couldn't be kids at this time of night

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<v Speaker 1>in the road with me coming at them in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked confused. They would hop up in the air

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<v Speaker 1>and their feet would come down slowly, one at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and their arms would flop funny. They moved slower than

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<v Speaker 1>humans do, and their feet and arms would go up funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Their feet came down in the ground easily. They were

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<v Speaker 1>bright silver. Missus Donathan reportedly said she was a bad

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<v Speaker 1>artist and refused to make a drawing of the creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the article, Missus Donathan said the creatures were

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<v Speaker 1>slightly built and the reporter's words straight in form to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. She didn't remember their heads or other features,

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<v Speaker 1>but was able to describe their feet. She said they

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<v Speaker 1>had boxes on them a little larger than shoes. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't recall any sort of sound, explained that their tape

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<v Speaker 1>player was playing loudly and their engine was running, or

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<v Speaker 1>any odor. She also said that their clothing or their

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<v Speaker 1>surface was and the reporter's words tight fitting. Missus Donothan,

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<v Speaker 1>and extremely frightened by the sight, yelled, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>and she stepped down on the accelerator as she swerved

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<v Speaker 1>around the creatures. They seemed to be having difficulty as

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<v Speaker 1>they moved away from the center of the road. They

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<v Speaker 1>are described as moving in a slow, clumsy manner, with

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<v Speaker 1>their feet apart and their arms flopping. Panicked, missus Donathan

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<v Speaker 1>drove several blocks and then turned south and continued until

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<v Speaker 1>her husband was able to convince her to pull over

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<v Speaker 1>and stop by an old church. He believed that what

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<v Speaker 1>they saw might have been children. He reportedly didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>a good look and persuaded his wife to drive back

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<v Speaker 1>to the area so he could and the reporter's words

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<v Speaker 1>scold them. When they got to the area, the creatures

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<v Speaker 1>were gone, but they did see some identified lights in

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<v Speaker 1>the sky to the north at forty five degrees elevation.

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<v Speaker 1>They went back to missus Donathan's mother's house, and Missus

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<v Speaker 1>Donathan was so upset that they considered calling a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>but she eventually calmed down. The only thing mister Donoth

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<v Speaker 1>had had to add was that after he had passed

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<v Speaker 1>the creatures, they seemed to be on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of a fence in a cornfield. Another person who reported

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the creatures was Gary Flatter, a Hertford City gas

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<v Speaker 1>station owner who drove his own wrecker. According to the article,

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<v Speaker 1>he was with his friend, Deputy sheriff ed townsend and

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<v Speaker 1>state policeman who wished to remain anonymous, when the call

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<v Speaker 1>came in about the Donothan sighting. He went to the

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<v Speaker 1>site in the townsend's car. The state policeman presumably went

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<v Speaker 1>in his own car and saw nothing, but he did

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<v Speaker 1>hear a high pitch sound at a certain spot in

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<v Speaker 1>the road. The three men went back to the town

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<v Speaker 1>Flatter and the state policeman returned, Flatter in his wrecker

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<v Speaker 1>and the policeman in his patrol car, and as Flatter

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<v Speaker 1>drove around the area, the policeman went east. As Flatter

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking it was time to go home, he came

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<v Speaker 1>to a spot just south of Donothan's sighting and was

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<v Speaker 1>surprised by a large group of animals moving across the

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<v Speaker 1>road from north to south. He stopped to avoid hitting

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<v Speaker 1>them and counted an apossum, some cats, and six or

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<v Speaker 1>seven rabbits. He then heard the same high pitched sound

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<v Speaker 1>he'd heard before. Looking round carefully, Flatter eventually spotted two

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<v Speaker 1>creatures to the south about four feet tall that were

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<v Speaker 1>standing in what looked to be a plowed field. He

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<v Speaker 1>said they seemed to be wearing tight fitting silver suits

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<v Speaker 1>and that the glare as they reflected his headlights was

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<v Speaker 1>about halfway between galvanized sheet metal and mirror. Flatter said

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<v Speaker 1>they appeared to be looking south and he thought they

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<v Speaker 1>could be better observed in the edge of my headlights.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued to them from a position about seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>feet to the west of them, and could still hear

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<v Speaker 1>the high pitched sound above the noise of the engine.

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<v Speaker 1>He put his spotlight on him, and they turned around,

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<v Speaker 1>giving him the impression they didn't like the light. Their

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<v Speaker 1>reflection hurt his eyes, so he turned the spotlight off.

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<v Speaker 1>Flatter said the creatures had egg shaped heads in what

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be gas masks, with hoses the diameter of

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<v Speaker 1>a garden hose going down to their chests. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>see any facial features and said their arms ended without hands.

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<v Speaker 1>He noted their movement was slow, and he said their

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<v Speaker 1>feet were square, with a heel a little over the back.

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<v Speaker 1>He estimated the size of their feet to be three

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<v Speaker 1>inches by six inches and two inches thick. He said

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<v Speaker 1>they moved and jumped as if they were skipping rope,

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly without the effort of muscles. Their power to move

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be in their feet, he said. They would

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<v Speaker 1>move up about three feet off the ground and then

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<v Speaker 1>go back down, all of this in slow motion. They

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<v Speaker 1>might move an arm, but not much, he said, and

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<v Speaker 1>they went up. The fourth time, they stayed up and

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<v Speaker 1>flew like a helicopter in the feet down position. He added.

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<v Speaker 1>They flew off in the dark, and he couldn't find

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<v Speaker 1>them with a spotlight. He said he did see some

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<v Speaker 1>red trace like streaks coming down. The next day, Flatter,

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<v Speaker 1>Townsend and miss Donathan returned to the area and found

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<v Speaker 1>impressions in a cornfield next to where the Donothans had

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<v Speaker 1>encountered the creatures. According to the report, there were seven

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<v Speaker 1>of them, all three quarters of an inch deep, three

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<v Speaker 1>inches across, and rounded as if they were made of

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<v Speaker 1>a typical heel. They were alternate rows as if made

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<v Speaker 1>by walking, and strides were estimated by Donathan as twelve

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<v Speaker 1>inch and Flatter as eighteen inch. It is noted that

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<v Speaker 1>the ground had been dry for several weeks, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the three men, each weighing two hundred pounds, did not

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<v Speaker 1>leave an imprint. Charles Lear is the author of The

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<v Speaker 1>Flying Saucer Investigators in the second edition on Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you