WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.840 But let's do some more college football. 2 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:04.719 And I just never know what's going to happen when 3 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:07.519 our next guest is on the show, but it's always entertaining. 4 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.480 Dave bar two College Football Matrix. All right, Dave, where 5 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:12.679 are you at? What are you doing? 6 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:18.120 Dude? I swear I'm sober for this show man. 7 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.399 All right, No, but for real, where are you right now? 8 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:27.440 No? I'm actually I'm sitting on my deck and right 9 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:31.399 next to me is my bow because I just got 10 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:35.520 done building a whole new arrow setup for archery season, 11 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:39.280 and I'm sighting in my bow from twenty to sixty 12 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:40.079 yards right now. 13 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:43.600 Okay, all right, fair enough, I'm going to dig deeper 14 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:45.759 and ask for some fun off season stories. Where have 15 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:48.799 your travels taken you during the college football off season? 16 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.759 Probably the best college football one in South Carolina? For 17 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:57.119 a week. We have a new program for early player 18 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:03.600 identification for athletics and just just finding kids either off 19 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:07.359 the beaten path or before anybody else does, twelve thirteen, fourteen, 20 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.799 fifteen year olds before they get to camp. And I 21 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.640 kind of toured the state, rolling the whole thing out statewide. 22 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.480 So really excited about the direction of that. 23 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.400 Very nice, so around these parts University of Utah football 24 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.079 fans hopeful that last year was a moment in time 25 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:29.840 and not the new normal for Utah football. What gives 26 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.640 you the most confidence that year two in the Big 27 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:33.439 Twelve will look better for Utah than year one? 28 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.879 Did? Dave all of it every day? I mean, you know, 29 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:43.959 I still look. I know fans love recency bias, right, 30 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:45.799 that's the biggest thing about being a fan of what 31 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.519 happened last game, what happened last month, what happened last year. 32 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:52.599 And there's probably a lot of people, you know, pushing 33 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.599 the panic button, but you know, years like that happened, 34 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.439 and I still go back to my position on where 35 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.040 it was a year ago. It is one of the 36 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:04.959 most talented teams in the Big twelve. It is one 37 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:06.680 of the best coach teams in the Big twelve, got 38 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:08.800 one of the best head coaches in the Big twelve. 39 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.080 None of that has changed. Kay, you had a bad year. 40 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:14.080 I get it, and that's called college football. Stuff happens. 41 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.560 But in my opinion, I don't think there's another team 42 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:21.680 in college football that has the ability to bounce back 43 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.439 from twenty twenty four as hard as Utah youth. 44 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.479 I know I ask you this every time you joined, 45 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:29.560 but just for listeners that may not be familiar. One 46 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.560 of the things you do that I've always enjoyed learning 47 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:36.240 about is you ranked stats, You rank coaches, You rank coordinators. 48 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:39.879 So Utah once again coach wit is back, Morgan Scalley 49 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:43.719 coach and waiting defensive coordinator, but new offensive coordinator Jason Beck. 50 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.919 How do you analyze and rank the current iteration of 51 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:47.840 the Utah coaches? 52 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:52.680 Well? What we like his upside? Now, he hasn't been 53 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:56.639 an offensive coordinator, hasn't He hasn't handled enough game to 54 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:00.240 get a full OC grade relative to everybody else. But 55 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.280 we have a really good trend on him, and as 56 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.240 a young offensive coordinator, we liked the direction that he 57 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.879 is going, so we're real positive about it. But at 58 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.639 the same time, not a big sample size, so let's 59 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.759 not get too far over the skis. But I cannot 60 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.759 say I don't dislike the higher I like the risk, 61 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.520 and I think there's a lot of upside to what 62 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.159 he brings to the table going forward. 63 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:31.400 He also brings a quarterback that this program badly needed, 64 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.240 and Cam Rising will always be a legend around here 65 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.560 for a couple of pac twelve championships, but the poor 66 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.639 kid could not stay healthy. 67 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:40.439 Cam moves on. 68 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:43.960 He's now the offensive coordinator of his high school, so 69 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.960 he'll be entering the coaching ranks. But what's the Dave 70 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:48.960 bar two take on the new QB one here in 71 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.879 Salt Lake Devin Dampier, Well, you know. 72 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.080 Something, what I would do with any quarterback it doesn't matter, 73 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:59.240 is you know how many starts has he had and 74 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:04.039 what did he you to elevate his team relative to expectations? 75 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.439 Kind of like a coach with what has he done 76 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:11.039 with the talent to elevate the team beyond what he recruited? 77 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.240 So I guess I would ask the question of anybody 78 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:19.079 you know with the new quarterback, how many starts and 79 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.360 did he elevate the team beyond what people expected out 80 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.560 of him? And if the answer is positive, then I 81 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.519 don't know how you not be positive about what he 82 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:29.240 brings to Utah. 83 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:34.000 The dynamic of moving up in competition. 84 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.519 Whereas New Mexico Mound West Conference School and now Devin 85 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.519 dan Pier is playing in the Big Twelve. Certainly plenty 86 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.079 of examples, namely cam Ward recently number one overall pick 87 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.439 of players who've been able to make that jump and 88 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:47.000 do it at a. 89 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:47.759 Very high level. 90 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.680 I don't know if you have data for this, but 91 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.439 when it comes to you know, a group of five 92 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.319 quarterbacks making the move into what now is the P four? 93 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.439 What sort of insights you have there? 94 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.480 Nothing really other than like I said, is did they 95 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:04.319 elevate where they're at before? Look look at Kim Wore. 96 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:09.199 Did he elevate incarnate Word yep? Did he elevate Washington State? Yep? 97 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.040 Did he elevate Miami? Oh my gosh. Yes, he made 98 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:16.879 a guy with almost no play going experience in Shannon 99 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.399 look awesome. Right, you know, look at Pavia, New Mexico 100 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:23.720 State to Vanderbilt. Boom elevated in New Mexico State. Now 101 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.600 he's elevating Vanderbilt. So while you can say people would 102 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.480 like to say, well, it's really hard to make that job, 103 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.399 I just go with kind of like what I do 104 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.399 with coaching. If you're good, you stay good no matter 105 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.040 where you're at. You know what, would Morgan Scally be 106 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.600 a good DC at any any place in the country. Yeah, right, 107 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:44.240 he can go to Alabama, he's gonna be really good. 108 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.879 Good to New Mexico's gonna be really good. So, you know, 109 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.000 the new Mexico offense, everything was solid down there. He 110 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:56.079 certainly won above expectation, and so my take would be 111 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.040 I expect him to win above expectations as at Utah. 112 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:00.680 As well Morgan. 113 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.360 As you know, Dave is the coach and waiting, and 114 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.480 there are more than a few people that believe that 115 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.240 transition will happen at the end of next season. I 116 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:11.079 don't know, you know, when it comes to coach wit, 117 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:13.639 I've always said, as long as he's under contract, he's 118 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.959 the coach. And like when he decided to come back 119 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.399 this year, there was a press release, there was a 120 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.319 very simple statement, and I just wasn't surprised based off 121 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.879 of the disappointment of a year ago, and Kyle was 122 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.160 very honest during Big twelve media days that that disappointment 123 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.680 did color the context of his decision making process. But 124 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.639 I know you also analyzed, you know, coordinators in addition 125 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:37.040 to head coaches. So shouldn't the transition happen next year? 126 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.920 What are your thoughts on the potential of Kyle stepping 127 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.000 down and Morgan sliding over a seat? 128 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:42.959 What do you think that looks like? 129 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.399 Well, I think a lot of it depends on on 130 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:51.439 two things in particular. Certainly the culture continuity, the coaching 131 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.040 continuity is going to be there, but I think it 132 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:57.920 depends on how good the offenses this year. Does Morgan 133 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.680 have to make a change this year or when he 134 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.319 comes in and who's he bringing in as a defensive coordinator? 135 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:05.839 Is he going to call the players for the first 136 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.560 couple of years and take less risk or is he 137 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.959 going to go next man up promote somebody behind him, 138 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.439 or is he going to bring a DC in brand 139 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:20.199 new altogether. So there's a lot of pieces in terms 140 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.240 of that puzzle and answering that question. I think it 141 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:27.079 really is going to revolve around how much staffing Morgan 142 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.160 has to do and how much staffing he's willing to 143 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.279 do when that time comes. 144 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:37.439 So ultimately, last year, the Big Twelve preseason media poll proved, 145 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.959 you know, that none of us know anything as far 146 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.439 as what we're talking about. It was wild the way 147 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.879 it was flipped up upside down. And we didn't do 148 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.000 a preseason media poll in the Big Twelve this year, 149 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.560 which is probably the right thing to do, so we 150 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:54.519 all don't look like morons. But in addition to Utah, 151 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:56.680 who you like who else in the Big twelve do 152 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:58.279 you think will have a chance to be standing at 153 00:07:58.279 --> 00:07:58.600 the end. 154 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:01.519 I think you got to go with your best talent 155 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.040 and your best coaching, right, I mean, your best talent 156 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.879 and your best coaching is still Utah, really good head 157 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.680 coach still Kansas State. I know everybody loves Arizona State, 158 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:15.519 and I love Arizona State simply because I think Sam 159 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:21.120 Levitt is just an amazing quarterback. You know, because if 160 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:24.160 you look at their offensive coordinator Arroyo, when he doesn't 161 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.639 have an awesome NFL quarterback justin Herbert, Oregon, he is 162 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:32.519 a bad, bad offensive coordinator. So I think one of 163 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:36.759 the easiest measuring sticks of teams regressing and progressing is 164 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.919 looked at their recruiting levels, and so I think Arizona State, 165 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.000 I think Colorado. Both those teams last year played way 166 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:47.799 above their expectations. So I think we're going to see 167 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.159 some regression there. I think you're going to see some 168 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.039 progression in Utah. I think it's going to be Kansas State. 169 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.879 And I'm not buying all the excitement with Oklahoma State, 170 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.919 because yeah, Gundhy clean house, but he brought a bunch 171 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.720 to average fossils into that thing, and I just don't 172 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:03.840 think it's gonna work that good. 173 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.440 I would imagine BYU outshot expectations a year ago by 174 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.000 a long shot, and even by their own admission. You know, 175 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.360 we had their athletic director on the show during Big 176 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:19.240 twelve media days, Brian Santiago, and I was surprised that 177 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.360 he actually admitted because BYU fans don't love to admit 178 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.279 when they get great luck. He said, the ball bounced 179 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.679 our way all year long, and they they're breaking a 180 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.279 new quarterback. Jake Rhet's laugh is now tulane. We don't 181 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:33.120 know who the starter is going to be. If I'm 182 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.440 recalling correctly, I think you like Kilanie. They've got Aaron 183 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.720 Rodgers as their offensive coordinator, Jay Hill. 184 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:40.159 Now year three is their DC. 185 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.519 What are your expectations for the BYU Cougars this year. 186 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.000 I do expect a little regression, but Colannie has been 187 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.279 a plus coach effect for his entire career about a 188 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.799 game and a half, so I think BYU is still 189 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:59.120 going to perform above expectations, but I don't think it 190 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.000 is going to be as a ceiling as high as 191 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.240 it was last year. I think there just has to 192 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:08.679 be some regression in regards to that, but still great 193 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.360 football coaching. Actually, the whole state of Utah, between Utah 194 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.840 and BYU, even Utah State, now there is really good 195 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:21.080 coaching there. But I do believe and feel that BYU 196 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.759 is due for a game or two regression in twenty 197 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:24.279 twenty five. 198 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:27.919 How how do you think the QB storyline will affect them? 199 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.159 I mean, Jake was eleventh in the Big Twelve last 200 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.759 year in QBR. They won a lot of games, again 201 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:34.840 based off of a lot of lucky bounces and some 202 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.840 really really stout play on the defensive side of the football. 203 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.080 They return a lot of players on defense, They've got 204 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:42.480 a stacked running back room and a lot of good 205 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:46.279 wide receivers. But whoever takes the snap against Portland State 206 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.759 opening Day will be playing quarterback for BYU for. 207 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:50.159 The first time. How do you think that's going to 208 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:50.639 affect him. 209 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.080 It's got to affect him, right, I mean, in less 210 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.679 they get lucky, you know how it is. You know 211 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.639 in college football, sometimes you just find that diamond in 212 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:01.960 the row and they get coached well and they're a 213 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.200 great player, you know, But typically kids that do great 214 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.279 in their first year in college elevated their high school team, right, 215 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.320 you know, in terms of quarterback effect, we just talked 216 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.840 about the guy transfer him with back from New Mexico. 217 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:21.000 So whoever's taking the ball at BYU, what did he 218 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.559 do for his team in terms of elevating it. That's 219 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:27.279 what I'd be looking at. But you know, yeah, the 220 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:30.960 players are there. It is really hard, though, to have consistency, 221 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:34.559 I feel in the Big twelve, especially at a very 222 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.679 high level. The talent's very balanced, the coaching is very 223 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:40.200 balanced and very good. I just think it's going to 224 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.320 be difficult to repeat and put themselves in this position 225 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.519 where they were last year in terms of playing for 226 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:47.159 a playoff spot in November. 227 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.279 Always a little tongue in cheek about the coach's poll 228 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.840 that's released that was released on Monday. Ultimately, we've had 229 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.399 a couple of college football guests on the show since 230 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.720 the release, and it seems to be a consensus that most, 231 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.720 if not all coaches don't even. 232 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:03.279 Fill out the thing. 233 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.440 It's delegated to an SID or maybe even below that. 234 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:10.120 How much stock, if any, Dave do you put in 235 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.960 the coaches poll that was released on Monday. 236 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.879 I don't put anything into any of them. It's all 237 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:16.720 for entertainment. 238 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:17.559 That's it. 239 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.639 All of it's for entertainment. I was laughing when your 240 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:23.159 commissioner big beels like, we're not doing a media poll 241 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.279 because it adversely affected our teams. No, your scoring efficiency 242 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.960 adversely affected your teams. That's what it was. It wasn't 243 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.200 that you know, you weren't good at the beginning. Again, 244 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:38.200 that's a selection bias that fans have. None of these 245 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:42.759 poles have any effect. Nobody listening right now can show 246 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:47.159 me a correlation year over year to playoff committee behavior 247 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:51.200 and preseason polls. It doesn't exist. They used the same 248 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:55.000 formula for ranking teams today as they did ten years ago, 249 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:59.879 and nothing, whether it's coaches polls or anything else, affects that. 250 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.879 It's just a wives tale that people like to talk about, 251 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:05.799 and I don't believe in it for a second. Just 252 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:07.679 enjoy the rankings if your. 253 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.320 Teams are there, well said. 254 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.759 Now, having said that, Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, 255 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:16.799 Notre Dame, top five according to your model and your knowledge, 256 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.240 just generally speaking, best teams in college football this year. 257 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.720 Oh geez man, this is going to be the This 258 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:25.159 is going to be might be the best year of 259 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.240 my life. In following college football. I have no idea. 260 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:32.399 I really don't. I really don't. So last year, the 261 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.440 five teams that checked off all the boxes to win 262 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:38.600 the national title. None of this blue chip ratio craft 263 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.240 where there's seventeen to twenty teams that could be competing. 264 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.960 That's all a bunch of knockoff bs is what it is. 265 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.519 Last year that was five. It was Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, 266 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.799 Notre Dame in Texas. Those were the only competitors. And 267 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:55.120 in the last fifteen years it has always been three 268 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:59.639 to five teams, no more, no less. This year there's eight. 269 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.159 I throw out LSU, not even considering LSU, and I 270 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.080 throw out Ohio State not even considering them at all. 271 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.600 But the other top ten recruiters that are out there, look, 272 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.000 they were all good last year. They all have good staffs. 273 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.320 But everybody has a whole Georgia has a new quarterback, 274 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.000 Alabama has a new quarterback, Texas has a new quarterback. 275 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.960 You know, you go down the list. Penn State's got 276 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.279 a new defensive coordinator and they don't recruit in the 277 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:29.039 top ten. And Jim Nole's defense is tough, and whoever 278 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:33.279 wins it is going to be probably the least talented 279 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.919 champion we've had in the last twenty five years. But 280 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.440 I think the crop of teams that are competing this 281 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.919 year is bigger than it's ever been, and I'm excited 282 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:45.840 to see it play out. 283 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:47.720 We follow up the battle Ohio State. 284 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.840 You're the first person I have heard say what you 285 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.000 just said about them. It feels like a lot of 286 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.679 people still believe that they have a shot to. 287 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:56.639 Win the whole thing. Why are you down on the Buckeyes. 288 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.600 Oh, I'm not down on them, and certainly they have 289 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:01.320 a shot win the whole thing. They get to play 290 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:06.320 a schedule and they're a top ten recruiter. But look, okay, 291 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:10.240 they got a new quarterback never played before, right, They 292 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.960 got a new DC who's never been in DC at 293 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.960 the collegiate level, and they got a new offensive coordinator 294 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.360 that has the same amount of play calling experience as 295 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:20.720 you and me. Now, I know Ryan Day is right 296 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:25.639 there to hold Brian Hartline's hand, But teams with a 297 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:33.200 inexperienced coordinator offense or defense don't win national titles. They haven't, right, 298 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.559 I don't think there's one in twenty five years where 299 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.000 you've got a brand new OC or brand new DC 300 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:41.080 that has won a national title. So do I think 301 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:44.039 Ohio State still has a chance to repeat? Sure, but 302 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.639 I put them in the second tier. It wouldn't surprise me, 303 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:49.679 but they would still be a pretty big anomaly compared 304 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.440 to the rest of the teams out there in the 305 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:53.279 last twenty five national champions. 306 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:55.159 Do you still believe we are headed? 307 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.600 You know, this is a topic we talk about around 308 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.679 here all the time because the Big Twin is a 309 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.879 fine place to land for now, it is, and if 310 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.320 your BYU, if you're Utah, you appreciate the fact that 311 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.080 you're n a P four conference, but there is this 312 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.879 storyline narrative that permeates, you know, kind of behind the 313 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:17.360 scenes about what this sport is going to look like eventually. 314 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:19.879 Do you still kind of believe we're headed towards this 315 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.639 pro model with two conferences? If it's the SEC in 316 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.000 the Big ten taking some of the leftovers from some 317 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.480 of the other conferences, or does it feel like things 318 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:29.919 have calmed down at least for the moment. 319 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.120 Answer a question with a question, do you think America 320 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.480 is still full of greed and will sell tradition for 321 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.159 a dollar at any cost? 322 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:40.720 Let me do some quick math. 323 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.120 Yes I do, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think this 324 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.080 is still heading towards this totally sucks. I hate it, 325 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.600 I really do. You know, as great as this country is, 326 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.879 tradition is for sale. Everything is to the highest bidder. 327 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.720 You know, when I hear talks about private equity owning 328 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:03.399 college football programs, about that private equity owning college football programs, 329 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:05.680 and I thought that was a bunch of I thought 330 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:09.079 it was nuts years ago. And now, oh, look at 331 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:13.480 the articles. Oh here's here's school valuations coming out that's 332 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:18.200 not by accident. Right, So imagine Utah or Oregon or 333 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:24.480 USC or Ohio State now being owned by private equity. Vomit. 334 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:28.279 We already have the NFL where there's no upsets, there's 335 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.839 no tradition, nobody cares about their well, they care about 336 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:34.839 their teams, but it's just a bunch of teams that 337 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:39.359 get into the playoffs. And I just we don't need 338 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:44.519 another homogenous football league. But boy, does it feel like 339 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:48.200 college football is just absorbing the greed and going right 340 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.359 down that same path tradition and everything else aside. 341 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:56.279 Seems like the topic of collective bargaining and players unionizing 342 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.519 as a lightning rod and it depends on what side 343 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:02.400 you're on there. For me, Dave, I just like you, 344 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.079 I don't love the direction, but I'm also a grown 345 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:09.400 up and I understand what capitalism means and when NIL 346 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.359 became a reality and transfer portal became a reality. I 347 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:16.200 come from a background of pro sports, and so for me, 348 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.759 if you want to solve some of these issues, namely 349 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.799 keeping kids on campus for at least a couple of years, 350 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:25.559 or you know, bringing some sort of uniformity and what 351 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.119 you can pay them, I do believe that the best 352 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:31.839 route is to allow players to unionize and collectively bargain 353 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.599 with whatever the powers that be that are running the 354 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:36.559 sport is, and that changes from day to day. 355 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.279 Do you think we're headed in that direction? Do you 356 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:39.200 think it's the right thing? 357 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.640 Man? Two different answers. I don't know what the right 358 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:49.640 thing is because everything changes so quick. Nobody's happy with, well, 359 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.319 what happened last year. It's just an instant oatmeal drive group, 360 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:57.279 fast food society, and we don't take time to really 361 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:00.599 take a break to think about long term occasions to 362 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.799 feel like so. But to answer your question about collective bargaining, 363 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:07.960 understanding laws and rules and so forth, of how it's 364 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.160 all laid out. To me, it almost seems like it's inevitable. 365 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.440 But again, how that's put together, what that looks like, 366 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:18.039 When that's going to happen. I don't know when, but 367 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.599 every single week, every single month, every single year, it 368 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.960 just feels like the tradition and everything that we had 369 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.920 in our sport, you know, players being around for four 370 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.759 or five years and identifying with a school, it just 371 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.559 seems to be whittled away. And I think part of it, 372 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:36.920 my emotion and attachment to it, gets whittled the way 373 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:37.559 along with it. 374 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.400 Yeah, and I don't think you're alone there before you 375 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:43.480 say you lose, you know, again along the lines of 376 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:48.359 just accepting what reality is. If the Big ten wants 377 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.000 four auto bids, and I know it's the SEC has 378 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.240 kind of backed off that stance a little bit. But 379 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:56.400 if the SEC and the Big ten want four auto 380 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:00.200 bids for an expanded sixteen team CFP, they're going to 381 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.000 get it, aren't they. 382 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.119 If that's if that's the hill they're going to die on. 383 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.640 Yeah, Well, they got the goals, they make the rules, right, 384 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:09.960 they carry the big stick. Yeah, I guess they can 385 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.200 try to die on that hill. That's fine, and you 386 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.119 and I both know one year it'll work out, two 387 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.640 or three other years it'll look stupid. But I don't 388 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:21.359 blame them trying to leverage their position to ensure as 389 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:25.319 many teams are in this playoffs, no matter how many 390 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:28.720 teams are in there as possible. Can't blame them for that. 391 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:31.279 And if that's the direction they ultimately want to go, 392 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:35.559 that's fine. You know, I don't know what any of 393 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:37.880 us can do about that in terms of changing that 394 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:42.000 outcome or their demands for automatic bids. 395 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:44.359 Last thing, the twelve teams this year? Do you think 396 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.599 the Big twelve can get two in? 397 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:52.000 No? Sure, sure, you know it just it just depends 398 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.480 on how it plays out. Again, the ball's got to bounce, right, 399 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.359 you know. I mean, is it hard to conceive to 400 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.240 twelve and oh teams in the Big twelve title game? 401 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.359