Speaker 1: But let's do some more college football.
Speaker 2: And I just never know what's going to happen when
Speaker 2: our next guest is on the show, but it's always entertaining.
Speaker 2: Dave bar two College Football Matrix. All right, Dave, where
Speaker 2: are you at? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Dude? I swear I'm sober for this show man.
Speaker 1: All right, No, but for real, where are you right now?
Speaker 3: No? I'm actually I'm sitting on my deck and right
Speaker 3: next to me is my bow because I just got
Speaker 3: done building a whole new arrow setup for archery season,
Speaker 3: and I'm sighting in my bow from twenty to sixty
Speaker 3: yards right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fair enough, I'm going to dig deeper
Speaker 2: and ask for some fun off season stories. Where have
Speaker 2: your travels taken you during the college football off season?
Speaker 3: Probably the best college football one in South Carolina? For
Speaker 3: a week. We have a new program for early player
Speaker 3: identification for athletics and just just finding kids either off
Speaker 3: the beaten path or before anybody else does, twelve thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 3: fifteen year olds before they get to camp. And I
Speaker 3: kind of toured the state, rolling the whole thing out statewide.
Speaker 3: So really excited about the direction of that.
Speaker 2: Very nice, so around these parts University of Utah football
Speaker 2: fans hopeful that last year was a moment in time
Speaker 2: and not the new normal for Utah football. What gives
Speaker 2: you the most confidence that year two in the Big
Speaker 2: Twelve will look better for Utah than year one?
Speaker 3: Did? Dave all of it every day? I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: I still look. I know fans love recency bias, right,
Speaker 3: that's the biggest thing about being a fan of what
Speaker 3: happened last game, what happened last month, what happened last year.
Speaker 3: And there's probably a lot of people, you know, pushing
Speaker 3: the panic button, but you know, years like that happened,
Speaker 3: and I still go back to my position on where
Speaker 3: it was a year ago. It is one of the
Speaker 3: most talented teams in the Big twelve. It is one
Speaker 3: of the best coach teams in the Big twelve, got
Speaker 3: one of the best head coaches in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3: None of that has changed. Kay, you had a bad year.
Speaker 3: I get it, and that's called college football. Stuff happens.
Speaker 3: But in my opinion, I don't think there's another team
Speaker 3: in college football that has the ability to bounce back
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty four as hard as Utah youth.
Speaker 2: I know I ask you this every time you joined,
Speaker 2: but just for listeners that may not be familiar. One
Speaker 2: of the things you do that I've always enjoyed learning
Speaker 2: about is you ranked stats, You rank coaches, You rank coordinators.
Speaker 2: So Utah once again coach wit is back, Morgan Scalley
Speaker 2: coach and waiting defensive coordinator, but new offensive coordinator Jason Beck.
Speaker 2: How do you analyze and rank the current iteration of
Speaker 2: the Utah coaches?
Speaker 3: Well? What we like his upside? Now, he hasn't been
Speaker 3: an offensive coordinator, hasn't He hasn't handled enough game to
Speaker 3: get a full OC grade relative to everybody else. But
Speaker 3: we have a really good trend on him, and as
Speaker 3: a young offensive coordinator, we liked the direction that he
Speaker 3: is going, so we're real positive about it. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, not a big sample size, so let's
Speaker 3: not get too far over the skis. But I cannot
Speaker 3: say I don't dislike the higher I like the risk,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot of upside to what
Speaker 3: he brings to the table going forward.
Speaker 2: He also brings a quarterback that this program badly needed,
Speaker 2: and Cam Rising will always be a legend around here
Speaker 2: for a couple of pac twelve championships, but the poor
Speaker 2: kid could not stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Cam moves on.
Speaker 2: He's now the offensive coordinator of his high school, so
Speaker 2: he'll be entering the coaching ranks. But what's the Dave
Speaker 2: bar two take on the new QB one here in
Speaker 2: Salt Lake Devin Dampier, Well, you know.
Speaker 3: Something, what I would do with any quarterback it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: is you know how many starts has he had and
Speaker 3: what did he you to elevate his team relative to expectations?
Speaker 3: Kind of like a coach with what has he done
Speaker 3: with the talent to elevate the team beyond what he recruited?
Speaker 3: So I guess I would ask the question of anybody
Speaker 3: you know with the new quarterback, how many starts and
Speaker 3: did he elevate the team beyond what people expected out
Speaker 3: of him? And if the answer is positive, then I
Speaker 3: don't know how you not be positive about what he
Speaker 3: brings to Utah.
Speaker 1: The dynamic of moving up in competition.
Speaker 2: Whereas New Mexico Mound West Conference School and now Devin
Speaker 2: dan Pier is playing in the Big Twelve. Certainly plenty
Speaker 2: of examples, namely cam Ward recently number one overall pick
Speaker 2: of players who've been able to make that jump and
Speaker 2: do it at a.
Speaker 1: Very high level.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have data for this, but
Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, a group of five
Speaker 2: quarterbacks making the move into what now is the P four?
Speaker 2: What sort of insights you have there?
Speaker 3: Nothing really other than like I said, is did they
Speaker 3: elevate where they're at before? Look look at Kim Wore.
Speaker 3: Did he elevate incarnate Word yep? Did he elevate Washington State? Yep?
Speaker 3: Did he elevate Miami? Oh my gosh. Yes, he made
Speaker 3: a guy with almost no play going experience in Shannon
Speaker 3: look awesome. Right, you know, look at Pavia, New Mexico
Speaker 3: State to Vanderbilt. Boom elevated in New Mexico State. Now
Speaker 3: he's elevating Vanderbilt. So while you can say people would
Speaker 3: like to say, well, it's really hard to make that job,
Speaker 3: I just go with kind of like what I do
Speaker 3: with coaching. If you're good, you stay good no matter
Speaker 3: where you're at. You know what, would Morgan Scally be
Speaker 3: a good DC at any any place in the country. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: he can go to Alabama, he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 3: Good to New Mexico's gonna be really good. So, you know,
Speaker 3: the new Mexico offense, everything was solid down there. He
Speaker 3: certainly won above expectation, and so my take would be
Speaker 3: I expect him to win above expectations as at Utah.
Speaker 1: As well Morgan.
Speaker 2: As you know, Dave is the coach and waiting, and
Speaker 2: there are more than a few people that believe that
Speaker 2: transition will happen at the end of next season. I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, when it comes to coach wit,
Speaker 2: I've always said, as long as he's under contract, he's
Speaker 2: the coach. And like when he decided to come back
Speaker 2: this year, there was a press release, there was a
Speaker 2: very simple statement, and I just wasn't surprised based off
Speaker 2: of the disappointment of a year ago, and Kyle was
Speaker 2: very honest during Big twelve media days that that disappointment
Speaker 2: did color the context of his decision making process. But
Speaker 2: I know you also analyzed, you know, coordinators in addition
Speaker 2: to head coaches. So shouldn't the transition happen next year?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the potential of Kyle stepping
Speaker 2: down and Morgan sliding over a seat?
Speaker 1: What do you think that looks like?
Speaker 3: Well, I think a lot of it depends on on
Speaker 3: two things in particular. Certainly the culture continuity, the coaching
Speaker 3: continuity is going to be there, but I think it
Speaker 3: depends on how good the offenses this year. Does Morgan
Speaker 3: have to make a change this year or when he
Speaker 3: comes in and who's he bringing in as a defensive coordinator?
Speaker 3: Is he going to call the players for the first
Speaker 3: couple of years and take less risk or is he
Speaker 3: going to go next man up promote somebody behind him,
Speaker 3: or is he going to bring a DC in brand
Speaker 3: new altogether. So there's a lot of pieces in terms
Speaker 3: of that puzzle and answering that question. I think it
Speaker 3: really is going to revolve around how much staffing Morgan
Speaker 3: has to do and how much staffing he's willing to
Speaker 3: do when that time comes.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, last year, the Big Twelve preseason media poll proved,
Speaker 2: you know, that none of us know anything as far
Speaker 2: as what we're talking about. It was wild the way
Speaker 2: it was flipped up upside down. And we didn't do
Speaker 2: a preseason media poll in the Big Twelve this year,
Speaker 2: which is probably the right thing to do, so we
Speaker 2: all don't look like morons. But in addition to Utah,
Speaker 2: who you like who else in the Big twelve do
Speaker 2: you think will have a chance to be standing at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 3: I think you got to go with your best talent
Speaker 3: and your best coaching, right, I mean, your best talent
Speaker 3: and your best coaching is still Utah, really good head
Speaker 3: coach still Kansas State. I know everybody loves Arizona State,
Speaker 3: and I love Arizona State simply because I think Sam
Speaker 3: Levitt is just an amazing quarterback. You know, because if
Speaker 3: you look at their offensive coordinator Arroyo, when he doesn't
Speaker 3: have an awesome NFL quarterback justin Herbert, Oregon, he is
Speaker 3: a bad, bad offensive coordinator. So I think one of
Speaker 3: the easiest measuring sticks of teams regressing and progressing is
Speaker 3: looked at their recruiting levels, and so I think Arizona State,
Speaker 3: I think Colorado. Both those teams last year played way
Speaker 3: above their expectations. So I think we're going to see
Speaker 3: some regression there. I think you're going to see some
Speaker 3: progression in Utah. I think it's going to be Kansas State.
Speaker 3: And I'm not buying all the excitement with Oklahoma State,
Speaker 3: because yeah, Gundhy clean house, but he brought a bunch
Speaker 3: to average fossils into that thing, and I just don't
Speaker 3: think it's gonna work that good.
Speaker 2: I would imagine BYU outshot expectations a year ago by
Speaker 2: a long shot, and even by their own admission. You know,
Speaker 2: we had their athletic director on the show during Big
Speaker 2: twelve media days, Brian Santiago, and I was surprised that
Speaker 2: he actually admitted because BYU fans don't love to admit
Speaker 2: when they get great luck. He said, the ball bounced
Speaker 2: our way all year long, and they they're breaking a
Speaker 2: new quarterback. Jake Rhet's laugh is now tulane. We don't
Speaker 2: know who the starter is going to be. If I'm
Speaker 2: recalling correctly, I think you like Kilanie. They've got Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers as their offensive coordinator, Jay Hill.
Speaker 1: Now year three is their DC.
Speaker 2: What are your expectations for the BYU Cougars this year.
Speaker 3: I do expect a little regression, but Colannie has been
Speaker 3: a plus coach effect for his entire career about a
Speaker 3: game and a half, so I think BYU is still
Speaker 3: going to perform above expectations, but I don't think it
Speaker 3: is going to be as a ceiling as high as
Speaker 3: it was last year. I think there just has to
Speaker 3: be some regression in regards to that, but still great
Speaker 3: football coaching. Actually, the whole state of Utah, between Utah
Speaker 3: and BYU, even Utah State, now there is really good
Speaker 3: coaching there. But I do believe and feel that BYU
Speaker 3: is due for a game or two regression in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five.
Speaker 2: How how do you think the QB storyline will affect them?
Speaker 2: I mean, Jake was eleventh in the Big Twelve last
Speaker 2: year in QBR. They won a lot of games, again
Speaker 2: based off of a lot of lucky bounces and some
Speaker 2: really really stout play on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 2: They return a lot of players on defense, They've got
Speaker 2: a stacked running back room and a lot of good
Speaker 2: wide receivers. But whoever takes the snap against Portland State
Speaker 2: opening Day will be playing quarterback for BYU for.
Speaker 1: The first time. How do you think that's going to
Speaker 1: affect him.
Speaker 3: It's got to affect him, right, I mean, in less
Speaker 3: they get lucky, you know how it is. You know
Speaker 3: in college football, sometimes you just find that diamond in
Speaker 3: the row and they get coached well and they're a
Speaker 3: great player, you know, But typically kids that do great
Speaker 3: in their first year in college elevated their high school team, right,
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of quarterback effect, we just talked
Speaker 3: about the guy transfer him with back from New Mexico.
Speaker 3: So whoever's taking the ball at BYU, what did he
Speaker 3: do for his team in terms of elevating it. That's
Speaker 3: what I'd be looking at. But you know, yeah, the
Speaker 3: players are there. It is really hard, though, to have consistency,
Speaker 3: I feel in the Big twelve, especially at a very
Speaker 3: high level. The talent's very balanced, the coaching is very
Speaker 3: balanced and very good. I just think it's going to
Speaker 3: be difficult to repeat and put themselves in this position
Speaker 3: where they were last year in terms of playing for
Speaker 3: a playoff spot in November.
Speaker 2: Always a little tongue in cheek about the coach's poll
Speaker 2: that's released that was released on Monday. Ultimately, we've had
Speaker 2: a couple of college football guests on the show since
Speaker 2: the release, and it seems to be a consensus that most,
Speaker 2: if not all coaches don't even.
Speaker 1: Fill out the thing.
Speaker 2: It's delegated to an SID or maybe even below that.
Speaker 2: How much stock, if any, Dave do you put in
Speaker 2: the coaches poll that was released on Monday.
Speaker 3: I don't put anything into any of them. It's all
Speaker 3: for entertainment.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: All of it's for entertainment. I was laughing when your
Speaker 3: commissioner big beels like, we're not doing a media poll
Speaker 3: because it adversely affected our teams. No, your scoring efficiency
Speaker 3: adversely affected your teams. That's what it was. It wasn't
Speaker 3: that you know, you weren't good at the beginning. Again,
Speaker 3: that's a selection bias that fans have. None of these
Speaker 3: poles have any effect. Nobody listening right now can show
Speaker 3: me a correlation year over year to playoff committee behavior
Speaker 3: and preseason polls. It doesn't exist. They used the same
Speaker 3: formula for ranking teams today as they did ten years ago,
Speaker 3: and nothing, whether it's coaches polls or anything else, affects that.
Speaker 3: It's just a wives tale that people like to talk about,
Speaker 3: and I don't believe in it for a second. Just
Speaker 3: enjoy the rankings if your.
Speaker 1: Teams are there, well said.
Speaker 2: Now, having said that, Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, top five according to your model and your knowledge,
Speaker 2: just generally speaking, best teams in college football this year.
Speaker 3: Oh geez man, this is going to be the This
Speaker 3: is going to be might be the best year of
Speaker 3: my life. In following college football. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I really don't. I really don't. So last year, the
Speaker 3: five teams that checked off all the boxes to win
Speaker 3: the national title. None of this blue chip ratio craft
Speaker 3: where there's seventeen to twenty teams that could be competing.
Speaker 3: That's all a bunch of knockoff bs is what it is.
Speaker 3: Last year that was five. It was Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia,
Speaker 3: Notre Dame in Texas. Those were the only competitors. And
Speaker 3: in the last fifteen years it has always been three
Speaker 3: to five teams, no more, no less. This year there's eight.
Speaker 3: I throw out LSU, not even considering LSU, and I
Speaker 3: throw out Ohio State not even considering them at all.
Speaker 3: But the other top ten recruiters that are out there, look,
Speaker 3: they were all good last year. They all have good staffs.
Speaker 3: But everybody has a whole Georgia has a new quarterback,
Speaker 3: Alabama has a new quarterback, Texas has a new quarterback.
Speaker 3: You know, you go down the list. Penn State's got
Speaker 3: a new defensive coordinator and they don't recruit in the
Speaker 3: top ten. And Jim Nole's defense is tough, and whoever
Speaker 3: wins it is going to be probably the least talented
Speaker 3: champion we've had in the last twenty five years. But
Speaker 3: I think the crop of teams that are competing this
Speaker 3: year is bigger than it's ever been, and I'm excited
Speaker 3: to see it play out.
Speaker 1: We follow up the battle Ohio State.
Speaker 2: You're the first person I have heard say what you
Speaker 2: just said about them. It feels like a lot of
Speaker 2: people still believe that they have a shot to.
Speaker 1: Win the whole thing. Why are you down on the Buckeyes.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not down on them, and certainly they have
Speaker 3: a shot win the whole thing. They get to play
Speaker 3: a schedule and they're a top ten recruiter. But look, okay,
Speaker 3: they got a new quarterback never played before, right, They
Speaker 3: got a new DC who's never been in DC at
Speaker 3: the collegiate level, and they got a new offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: that has the same amount of play calling experience as
Speaker 3: you and me. Now, I know Ryan Day is right
Speaker 3: there to hold Brian Hartline's hand, But teams with a
Speaker 3: inexperienced coordinator offense or defense don't win national titles. They haven't, right,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's one in twenty five years where
Speaker 3: you've got a brand new OC or brand new DC
Speaker 3: that has won a national title. So do I think
Speaker 3: Ohio State still has a chance to repeat? Sure, but
Speaker 3: I put them in the second tier. It wouldn't surprise me,
Speaker 3: but they would still be a pretty big anomaly compared
Speaker 3: to the rest of the teams out there in the
Speaker 3: last twenty five national champions.
Speaker 1: Do you still believe we are headed?
Speaker 2: You know, this is a topic we talk about around
Speaker 2: here all the time because the Big Twin is a
Speaker 2: fine place to land for now, it is, and if
Speaker 2: your BYU, if you're Utah, you appreciate the fact that
Speaker 2: you're n a P four conference, but there is this
Speaker 2: storyline narrative that permeates, you know, kind of behind the
Speaker 2: scenes about what this sport is going to look like eventually.
Speaker 2: Do you still kind of believe we're headed towards this
Speaker 2: pro model with two conferences? If it's the SEC in
Speaker 2: the Big ten taking some of the leftovers from some
Speaker 2: of the other conferences, or does it feel like things
Speaker 2: have calmed down at least for the moment.
Speaker 3: Answer a question with a question, do you think America
Speaker 3: is still full of greed and will sell tradition for
Speaker 3: a dollar at any cost?
Speaker 1: Let me do some quick math.
Speaker 3: Yes I do, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think this
Speaker 3: is still heading towards this totally sucks. I hate it,
Speaker 3: I really do. You know, as great as this country is,
Speaker 3: tradition is for sale. Everything is to the highest bidder.
Speaker 3: You know, when I hear talks about private equity owning
Speaker 3: college football programs, about that private equity owning college football programs,
Speaker 3: and I thought that was a bunch of I thought
Speaker 3: it was nuts years ago. And now, oh, look at
Speaker 3: the articles. Oh here's here's school valuations coming out that's
Speaker 3: not by accident. Right, So imagine Utah or Oregon or
Speaker 3: USC or Ohio State now being owned by private equity. Vomit.
Speaker 3: We already have the NFL where there's no upsets, there's
Speaker 3: no tradition, nobody cares about their well, they care about
Speaker 3: their teams, but it's just a bunch of teams that
Speaker 3: get into the playoffs. And I just we don't need
Speaker 3: another homogenous football league. But boy, does it feel like
Speaker 3: college football is just absorbing the greed and going right
Speaker 3: down that same path tradition and everything else aside.
Speaker 2: Seems like the topic of collective bargaining and players unionizing
Speaker 2: as a lightning rod and it depends on what side
Speaker 2: you're on there. For me, Dave, I just like you,
Speaker 2: I don't love the direction, but I'm also a grown
Speaker 2: up and I understand what capitalism means and when NIL
Speaker 2: became a reality and transfer portal became a reality. I
Speaker 2: come from a background of pro sports, and so for me,
Speaker 2: if you want to solve some of these issues, namely
Speaker 2: keeping kids on campus for at least a couple of years,
Speaker 2: or you know, bringing some sort of uniformity and what
Speaker 2: you can pay them, I do believe that the best
Speaker 2: route is to allow players to unionize and collectively bargain
Speaker 2: with whatever the powers that be that are running the
Speaker 2: sport is, and that changes from day to day.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're headed in that direction? Do you
Speaker 1: think it's the right thing?
Speaker 3: Man? Two different answers. I don't know what the right
Speaker 3: thing is because everything changes so quick. Nobody's happy with, well,
Speaker 3: what happened last year. It's just an instant oatmeal drive group,
Speaker 3: fast food society, and we don't take time to really
Speaker 3: take a break to think about long term occasions to
Speaker 3: feel like so. But to answer your question about collective bargaining,
Speaker 3: understanding laws and rules and so forth, of how it's
Speaker 3: all laid out. To me, it almost seems like it's inevitable.
Speaker 3: But again, how that's put together, what that looks like,
Speaker 3: When that's going to happen. I don't know when, but
Speaker 3: every single week, every single month, every single year, it
Speaker 3: just feels like the tradition and everything that we had
Speaker 3: in our sport, you know, players being around for four
Speaker 3: or five years and identifying with a school, it just
Speaker 3: seems to be whittled away. And I think part of it,
Speaker 3: my emotion and attachment to it, gets whittled the way
Speaker 3: along with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think you're alone there before you
Speaker 2: say you lose, you know, again along the lines of
Speaker 2: just accepting what reality is. If the Big ten wants
Speaker 2: four auto bids, and I know it's the SEC has
Speaker 2: kind of backed off that stance a little bit. But
Speaker 2: if the SEC and the Big ten want four auto
Speaker 2: bids for an expanded sixteen team CFP, they're going to
Speaker 2: get it, aren't they.
Speaker 1: If that's if that's the hill they're going to die on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they got the goals, they make the rules, right,
Speaker 3: they carry the big stick. Yeah, I guess they can
Speaker 3: try to die on that hill. That's fine, and you
Speaker 3: and I both know one year it'll work out, two
Speaker 3: or three other years it'll look stupid. But I don't
Speaker 3: blame them trying to leverage their position to ensure as
Speaker 3: many teams are in this playoffs, no matter how many
Speaker 3: teams are in there as possible. Can't blame them for that.
Speaker 3: And if that's the direction they ultimately want to go,
Speaker 3: that's fine. You know, I don't know what any of
Speaker 3: us can do about that in terms of changing that
Speaker 3: outcome or their demands for automatic bids.
Speaker 1: Last thing, the twelve teams this year? Do you think
Speaker 1: the Big twelve can get two in?
Speaker 3: No? Sure, sure, you know it just it just depends
Speaker 3: on how it plays out. Again, the ball's got to bounce, right,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, is it hard to conceive to
Speaker 3: twelve and oh teams in the Big twelve title game?
Speaker 3: Sure it is. You know. Is it hard to conceive
Speaker 3: two teams that are both twelve and one that can
Speaker 3: get in the playoffs? Yeah it is, But it's possible,
Speaker 3: not probable, because the talent and coaching balance in the
Speaker 3: Big twelve is really really tough. But you know, look
Speaker 3: what Arizona State did last year. So I think that's
Speaker 3: one of the hopes that we all have in college
Speaker 3: football come September one or week zero or whatever it is,
Speaker 3: is what is going to happen is a mystery to us,
Speaker 3: and I think knowing that any outcome is plausible, I
Speaker 3: think that's what makes college football still exciting.
Speaker 2: Dave, Thank you, sir for the time, always entertaining. Best
Speaker 2: of luck and whatever incredibly exciting endeavors you have coming
Speaker 2: your way over the next few weeks, and we'll get
Speaker 2: you back on again soon.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know where I'm at. Don't be a stranger, buddy.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Dave Bartwo college Football Matrix. Get them on
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Speaker 1: Excuse me some good stuff there.
Speaker 2: With the coaching dynamics in State, one of the things
Speaker 2: Dave has always done that I've found very interesting is
Speaker 2: he does deep dives on coaching staffs.
Speaker 1: He analyzes his.
Speaker 2: Head coaches, coordinators, and then you know, juxtaposed that with
Speaker 2: the talent you have coming back to try to understand
Speaker 2: the landscape what college football is going to look like,
Speaker 2: and he nailed it. When it comes to these preseason polls,
Speaker 2: it's fodder for conversation and if your team is ranked,
Speaker 2: you enjoy it. If your team is not, you think
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of bs. We'll see what the AP
Speaker 2: brings coming up on Monday, after the Coach's Poll was
Speaker 2: released yesterday