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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Ty, You've got me for about twenty minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>fun Factor. To all gamers reviewing old video game magazine reviews.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ty Shelter, He's Aiden Moher, and we're two professional

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<v Speaker 1>game magazines of the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties, and two thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>Factor Pod. Okay, so tye. Over the course of the

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<v Speaker 1>show's first season, we've discussed a lot of great games,

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<v Speaker 1>some bangers, personal favorites, Alzheimer's. But this week I want

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<v Speaker 1>us to look at something a little different. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at a magazine issue that highlights some of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst games of all time. So I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from you, like, what is the worst game that

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<v Speaker 1>you bought and did you finish it? Ah? Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is tough for me if you helped me out

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<v Speaker 1>with this, and I'm glad you did, because guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>as a subscriber to video game magazines and being obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with like review and critique and stuff. From literally the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of my video game I didn't really buy any

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<v Speaker 1>bad games, right, Like I would sit and make like

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<v Speaker 1>pro and con charts and like decision matrices and stuff like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I only have X money. You know. The first game

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<v Speaker 1>I bought with my own money was Mega Man two

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<v Speaker 1>for fifty five dollars of actual money of mine would

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<v Speaker 1>would be like one hundred and like forty dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>today's money, so you know, it was a lot. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I would say. Then I had this thing

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<v Speaker 1>where I went back, you know, as an adult we

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<v Speaker 1>started getting into retrogaming, right, and I like went and

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<v Speaker 1>dug out my SNS collection. Oh right, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, I traded in a bunch of my games

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<v Speaker 1>that I had played one hundred million times for other games,

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<v Speaker 1>just to see what they were like or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the worst game that I've played extensively and owned

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<v Speaker 1>and tried to beat was Golgo thirteen for the NES

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like a point and click adventure with

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<v Speaker 1>like item inventory and pixel hunts, but it was also

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<v Speaker 1>a side scrolling action game. Sort of. This sounds sick, man, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well it looks sick. It's very stylish, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of I don't know what's happening combined with I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to control it. Combined with I'd never

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<v Speaker 1>played a like, you know, inventory get e flask style game,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was doing it on the nes and like

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<v Speaker 1>it like nothing, and there was then it goes to

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<v Speaker 1>a shooter level, like you get to a certain point,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like almost a diehard situation. You're fighting up an

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<v Speaker 1>office building, right, and then you get on a helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's the side scrolling horizontal shooter where you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a helicopter and there's this enemy I found in

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<v Speaker 1>the instruction book called role Thunder, and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a wave of apparently invincible energy balls that fills the

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<v Speaker 1>whole screen and I have energy is invincible, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I had I have no it would just destroy

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<v Speaker 1>me like so. And I was even lucky enough to

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<v Speaker 1>get there. And then like I saw I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw like something on an online or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know I was missing huge key mechanics and like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's totally I did not know how to

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<v Speaker 1>play the game, but it was absolutely indecipherable for me. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>it was goal goal thirteen, so it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>very like this is for the Sickos made in Japan

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<v Speaker 1>game and I had never heard of it. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know the anime, I didn't know the show. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything right, so like desperately needed clues from knowing

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<v Speaker 1>the fiction that I simply did not have. Amazing. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you bring up a good point that as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kids who were reading a lot of game magazines, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you, but I got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of games a year right like birthday. Yes, I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to save up some money or whatever, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was very studious about the games that I that I

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<v Speaker 1>bought as a young teenager. Once I hit my twenties

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<v Speaker 1>and had a job, I started buying a lot of games.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd hunt through video stores like video rental stores, because

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<v Speaker 1>they constantly we had Rogers Video here in Canada, and

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<v Speaker 1>they would constantly be just you know, cycling out anything

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't being rented out. And so I got like

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<v Speaker 1>Pokemon Part gold in Box complete with the Pokewalker like everything,

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty bucks. You know. I got a Resident Evil

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<v Speaker 1>Gay on GameCube for like probably fifteen, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I would just like go through. But those are

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<v Speaker 1>good games. Yeah. I think like the absolute worst for

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<v Speaker 1>me is when you have some like emotional attachment to

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<v Speaker 1>a game and it's a big letdown. And that's where

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<v Speaker 1>I get. You know, some of the worst games that

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<v Speaker 1>I've bought and played through is where I was really

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<v Speaker 1>excited for it bad. You know, you were kind of

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<v Speaker 1>getting at this last week with your memories about being

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with the Xbox or whatever, but in reverse where

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<v Speaker 1>you think something's really great and then it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>bad instead of thinking, oh, Xbox is never gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been disappointed by sequels like Sweek It in four

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<v Speaker 1>because I was so invested in the series and it

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<v Speaker 1>just turned out to be like mid It wasn't awful,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't great after three terrific games in that series.

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<v Speaker 1>The most gut wrenching bad game I ever bought and

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<v Speaker 1>finished is easily Lunar Dragon Song on the Nintendo DS. Like, oh, no, okay, ty,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even like admitting this game exists. It's that bad. Okay, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty well known. I'm a big Lunar fan, and

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<v Speaker 1>the two PlayStation releases are like some of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>games of all time. So like a third game in

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<v Speaker 1>that series coming out on the Nintendo DS, No Last,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of my favorite consoles of all Time

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<v Speaker 1>was just one of my most anticipated games ever. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't matter that it wasn't you know, Studio Alex and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't working designs, and it wasn't you know game

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<v Speaker 1>arts who made it. I don't even know who made it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was just excited And the end result is

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the most aggravating games I've ever played

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<v Speaker 1>with like none of the charisma, none of the charm

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<v Speaker 1>of the originals, but like I won't go too deep,

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<v Speaker 1>but like Tye, you lose health when you use the

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<v Speaker 1>run button in dungeons what, which is just like basic

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<v Speaker 1>RPG functionality. So if you want to run instead of

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<v Speaker 1>just walking through the dungeon or wherever, you lose health.

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<v Speaker 1>That's ludicrous. And ty you can't get experience and loot

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<v Speaker 1>and gold in combat at the same time. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to choose. You can either get experience or you can

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<v Speaker 1>get loot and gold. That's horrible. It's just like an

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<v Speaker 1>avalanche of bad game design ideas from a series, like

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<v Speaker 1>in a series that like leaned into just being as

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<v Speaker 1>straightforward as you can be, like Lunar just takes all

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<v Speaker 1>the good ideas and does them well right. And Lunar

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon Song just threw all that out the window in

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<v Speaker 1>such like avoidable ways. It I'm just now I'm mad. TI. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's terrible. I actually had thought of I got my

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<v Speaker 1>own Super Nintendo right like my mom had given me

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<v Speaker 1>an allowance. And then I also it was just before

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<v Speaker 1>I started mowing lawns and maybe when I started mowing lawns

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<v Speaker 1>that I got the Super Nintendo, because I got the

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<v Speaker 1>Nintendo a little late, like it had been out for

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple three years, and then I got it

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas, and so then the Super Nintendo also had

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<v Speaker 1>come out and been out for like a year or

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<v Speaker 1>two before I got it, and I got it with

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<v Speaker 1>Maximum Carnage Spider Man and Venom Maximum Carnage or Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man and Venom team up to beat Carnage. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was huge into comics. I was a huge Venom specifically fan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just like, oh my gosh, I get to play

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<v Speaker 1>his Venom And it was a side scrolling beat him up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, final fight style, and it had a like

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<v Speaker 1>the art was actually really good. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of great presentation stuff. There was a soundtrack by the

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<v Speaker 1>metal band Green Jello, which I think then had to

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<v Speaker 1>be changed to green Jelly. This was a real Mandela

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<v Speaker 1>effect because I knew of friends who were into metal

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody had a green Jello shirt and I think

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<v Speaker 1>they got sued and had to change it to green

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<v Speaker 1>Jelly because it said green Jelly on the cartridge and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, So anyway, so it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>super raw like sixteen pit digitized metal soundtrack, and the

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<v Speaker 1>story was cool and it had all these like layover

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<v Speaker 1>comic book effects. All the letters were in like comic

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<v Speaker 1>book lettering, and like the combat was just like Super

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<v Speaker 1>mid to Ad and like I beat it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had fun with it. And it was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a Super Nintendo game and not a Nintendo game, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I was definitely like coping and grinding and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this so much. It's so great through a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff. And oh also the cartridge was read.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a limited edition side cartridge said one Super

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<v Speaker 1>Nintendo game, and it was read and it was cool

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, yeah, this is so cool, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't. I'm playing this is not it's

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<v Speaker 1>not great. It's not great. I also, you like, was

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't know bad games for a long time. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of had what I had, you know, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes as a kid. That's why you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of as soon as you get twenty three, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four to twenty five, you start writing it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>a critical re evaluation of whatever I played when I

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<v Speaker 1>was nine, And I'm like, I mean, is it okay?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it is like we've we've seen in these

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<v Speaker 1>magazines right where twenty three, twenty four to twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>year old you know, guys putting in and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be inclusive, you know, people of all genders, but

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<v Speaker 1>primarily by and four and it's somewhat exclusionarily of twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, twenty four year old guys are playing games

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<v Speaker 1>that were great games and going this is terrible because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not edgy and dark like I want. I'm like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sucks to be you, but like this Curby

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<v Speaker 1>game is good. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have got to get to our issue. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>at this point we haven't brought it up. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>back to fun Factor. We're two old gamers review old

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<v Speaker 1>video game magazine reviews. Of course we want you to

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>So today we are looking at EGM number one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty from January two thousand and two, which might

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<v Speaker 1>has two hundred and forty six pages. It's a big boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Number of games reviewed forty eight, which is very similar

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<v Speaker 1>to last episode in Next Generation where they I think

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<v Speaker 1>because this is also an issue where EGM dives heavily

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<v Speaker 1>Next Generation was barely over one hundred pages, very little editorial,

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<v Speaker 1>cool cool. Let's start with the cover of EGM number

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<v Speaker 1>one fifty, which is a very special issue. We did

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<v Speaker 1>the cover here? Ty too many games? It's too many games,

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<v Speaker 1>A many games, you know if for as intentionally busy

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<v Speaker 1>of that GameCube, Xbox PST game by advance, start through

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<v Speaker 1>the mess with our buyer's guy. Twenty seven pages reviews,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two previews, plus hundred best games ever

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<v Speaker 1>So like it's intentionally very busy, write all this text,

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<v Speaker 1>all these screenshots, but like magazines have evolved to the

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<v Speaker 1>the magazines we looked at in our first season, right, No,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks good. You know, this stuff appeals to me,

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<v Speaker 1>personality here. So we are going to skip past these

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<v Speaker 1>ads and they get to the masthead. A lot of ads. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we have the masthead at the front of

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<v Speaker 1>want to look at is the masthead over to the right, there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big, juicy Masthead tie. Like there are twelve

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<v Speaker 1>editors and about as many contributing writers as well. That's big,

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<v Speaker 1>Like even for this time period, that's a lot of people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for right this is this is something that again

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<v Speaker 1>at all these staffers. This is incredible And I got

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<v Speaker 1>to say, like, looking at this Masthead feels like a

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<v Speaker 1>high school reunion for me, like from Dan Shue, who

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<v Speaker 1>the oughts to executive editor Mark McDonald, West Coast editor

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<v Speaker 1>James Milky, contributing writers like John Richardi, Shane Bettenhausen and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest magazines ever. So Stewie, Yes, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's stat like top to bottom with the like games

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Baby. Okay, Greg, Oh yeah we will get into you. Worry.

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<v Speaker 1>This list, of course, is also just like who's who

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<v Speaker 1>working on a book about the career of Nobu Uimatsu,

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<v Speaker 1>which I am immensely interested in reading. After bouncing around

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<v Speaker 1>various publications, including a brief Stint, sorry, a brief return

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<v Speaker 1>to the two thousand and nine revival of EGM, Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Shu left games Media in twenty fourteen and worked at

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<v Speaker 1>places like Blizzard and Riot, and is now doing freelance

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<v Speaker 1>games consulting and like, honestly, you go down the list.

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<v Speaker 1>Evan Einhorn has worked on like a billion Sonic games. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, we've been talking about bad games, and

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<v Speaker 1>Fortsa for a long time. Just like a wildly impressive

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<v Speaker 1>group of people. Awesome, Well, I think we have to

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<v Speaker 1>issues that they produced while he was working there. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we got to get to the flip through. Unfortunately, Ty,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna kick the flip through off with the most

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand era thing I can possibly imagine. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>close up of Kid Rock grabbing this junk amazing in

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<v Speaker 1>an ad for his album Cocky and notably not a

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<v Speaker 1>video game, not kid Racks new audio game. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of reach that EGM has at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a jump scare. It's a big jump scare. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting because Square says in the interview, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>we are not necessarily obligated to Sony because of this deal,

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<v Speaker 1>offer software to the best selling hardware maker, and at

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<v Speaker 1>this time, there's no doubt that Sony is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I said the kid Rock ad was maybe the most

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<v Speaker 1>I got to this page. Can you tell me what

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking at? Paint a word picture here for our listeners. Tie, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's Nintendo throws Cube party and let's get the

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<v Speaker 1>full spread here, right, So to be young and hip

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<v Speaker 1>and cool with the teens, we have Jason Big Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, Tara Reid from The Big Lebowski and a

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<v Speaker 1>Van Wilder. I'm not going to say that it holds up,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was it was funny. Ryan Reynolds, you know

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<v Speaker 1>in American Pie also, yes, yeah, so like Jason Biggs,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but like, you know, she had a

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<v Speaker 1>call Stewie says big Lebowski was a big thing around

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<v Speaker 1>the e GM offices. I think CJ. Trid to fitted

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<v Speaker 1>references wherever you could. So anyway, uh again, Now, Tara

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<v Speaker 1>also Jason Biggs. Here's Jessica Bielee from Heavin Tera. Reid

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<v Speaker 1>dressed up as that girl from SSX. Okay cool, Sean

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<v Speaker 1>William Scott Stiffler Okay, Oh dude, where's my car? Reference? Okay, awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, though Ty, the fashion here is doing

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<v Speaker 1>it for me. These guys are looking good, like has

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Biggs ever looked better? No? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties through y two k fashion like just bringing

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<v Speaker 1>it off back. So funny. I know, same thing here.

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<v Speaker 1>from when we were in high school? It's crazy. Following

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<v Speaker 1>this news section, we have a feature area that I

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<v Speaker 1>what's coming news, what have we seen that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>After thoughts was a cool opportunity for the writers and

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<v Speaker 1>editors at EGM to go back and do kind of

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<v Speaker 1>post mort interviews with game developers looking back at some

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<v Speaker 1>of the kind of popular games of the year. And

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<v Speaker 1>then this issue we get interviews about Ace Combat four

418
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<v Speaker 1>and Star Wars, Rogue Squadron two, Rogue Leader two, games

419
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<v Speaker 1>that I don't personally care too much about, I have

420
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<v Speaker 1>no real attachment to. But getting that sort of reflective

421
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<v Speaker 1>look at a game rather than like a promo mode

422
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<v Speaker 1>look at a game from a developer is pretty neat,

423
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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's something that EGM was doing that

424
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<v Speaker 1>helped define kind of their their desire to like be

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<v Speaker 1>more holistic about how we talk about video games. Aiden

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<v Speaker 1>I have in our notes here you put oh yeah,

427
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<v Speaker 1>and next to that an absolutely unhinged anthropomorphized frog cargo shorts.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you talking about Obi wan Kenobi? I'm not talking

429
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<v Speaker 1>about Obi Wan okay? Oh hello, oh dear, Oh no, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I see now that's it's an ad for Frogger. It

431
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<v Speaker 1>says Frogger, and then a registered trademark logo, then an

432
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<v Speaker 1>apostrophe as Frogger's back, and it's pretty funny because it

433
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<v Speaker 1>has then a little tiny Froger and it says also

434
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<v Speaker 1>available and convenient travel size. And it's an ad for

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<v Speaker 1>a PlayStation uh Frogger release and a game Boy Advanced

436
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<v Speaker 1>Frogger release. I can almost guarantee you, without having played

437
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<v Speaker 1>either of these, that the Game Boy Advance one is

438
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<v Speaker 1>probably better three D one full three D gameplay on

439
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<v Speaker 1>PlayStation two. Yeah, this is not not good. This is

440
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<v Speaker 1>what I would think. They're both asked, says Drew By. Yeah, yeah, okay, Andrew,

441
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<v Speaker 1>and Chad says they're both bad. Fair enough. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>move on to page sixty five here. This kind of

443
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<v Speaker 1>gets into what you were talking about with the Pentathlon earlier.

444
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<v Speaker 1>There's a piece called quote US Army attacks video game Industry,

445
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<v Speaker 1>and well, ty, it's can you just read it for me?

446
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<v Speaker 1>But it's not just training for modern situations. The Army

447
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<v Speaker 1>is after The Army wanted a game that not only

448
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<v Speaker 1>represented the soldier of two thousand and one, says Matt Norton,

449
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<v Speaker 1>Pandemics producer on Sea Force, but also the soldier of

450
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. Thus, the game will feature logical evolutions of

451
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<v Speaker 1>existing technology like new weaponry and remote piloted surveillance vehicles,

452
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<v Speaker 1>whether or not that would include plasma rifles BFG nine

453
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<v Speaker 1>thousands and railguns. Norton wouldn't say. And then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>caption of some under some concept art and it says, quote, Nope,

455
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<v Speaker 1>it's not unreal tournament. This concept art is what the

456
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<v Speaker 1>Army imagines their soldiers might look like come twenty twenty.

457
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what I think is like kind of astute.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Is that, like, honestly, quote, remote pilot and surveillance vehicles

459
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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty spot on prediction of what we're seeing

460
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<v Speaker 1>from warfare in twenty two. Well, right, and what this

461
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<v Speaker 1>either presages or doesn't it's hard for them to see.

462
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<v Speaker 1>It's like, is the feedback loop, right? Yeah? Is that

463
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<v Speaker 1>the kids who grew up playing this and did go

464
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<v Speaker 1>into the army and stayed and became officers or whatever

465
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<v Speaker 1>they're recruiting via these methods, right, And there's that feedback

466
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<v Speaker 1>loop of I want to feel like I'm playing call

467
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<v Speaker 1>of duty when I'm in the army, Right, I want

468
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<v Speaker 1>to feel like I'm an operator.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And we see this more and obviously with ice and stuff,

471
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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're recruiting all these people who are not

472
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<v Speaker 1>career soldiers or whatever. They're just guys who want to

473
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<v Speaker 1>get dressed up in all the tactical stuff. And then

474
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<v Speaker 1>the tactical stuff is represented in the video games, and

475
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<v Speaker 1>then the video games reflect the real life and the

476
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<v Speaker 1>real life. So like this feedback loop, I think is

477
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<v Speaker 1>something that we weren't really imagining that they would have

478
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<v Speaker 1>together to be kind of the same thing. Yeah. Interesting,

479
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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna keep going. If you flip forward to Wage

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, I need you to read the ad tagline.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, Connecticut. Ah, G String meets G Force, it's

482
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<v Speaker 1>your boy. Oh no, Connecticut Now, oh the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I will say I'll give this ad. This looks

484
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<v Speaker 1>way more plausible as an action, does it. I mean,

485
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<v Speaker 1>I can at least sort of see. But this looks

486
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<v Speaker 1>like you're rollerblading and you happen to have wheels. Again,

487
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<v Speaker 1>this is so ridiculous, dude, It's so ridiculous. It's it's

488
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<v Speaker 1>what they're wearing in the fast lane. Slip into a

489
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<v Speaker 1>kinetic suit and feel the intense competition. Scale walls, cling

490
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<v Speaker 1>the ceilings, pull off ground that areal stunts. On twelve

491
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<v Speaker 1>futuristic man a machine are United pure speed never looked

492
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<v Speaker 1>so and dude, again, this is like, show me the

493
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<v Speaker 1>X ray, show me the skeleton, here's the hip, here's

494
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<v Speaker 1>the like is the butt cheeks the leg from needing it? Like,

495
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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing here? This is terrible? And I

496
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<v Speaker 1>do want to give a shout out to the video

497
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<v Speaker 1>edition of Fun Factor. If you listen to this on audio,

498
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<v Speaker 1>do check out the YouTube version because I cut in

499
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<v Speaker 1>some Connecticut documentary like making no documentary to the last

500
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<v Speaker 1>episode when we covered I didn't even connect at And

501
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<v Speaker 1>it's so funny seeing them try to like sell the

502
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<v Speaker 1>game seriously as like an competitor or whatever, and like,

503
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<v Speaker 1>you know, their noble intentions to make something that's just

504
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<v Speaker 1>really fast and fun, when really it's just g G

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<v Speaker 1>string thes G force. They even they trot out a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a woman who works as a producer or whatever,

507
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<v Speaker 1>and she's trying to like say nice things about the game.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell she's just dying inside. Okay, well I

509
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<v Speaker 1>miss that. I'm gonna go back and watch that because

510
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<v Speaker 1>I would love to get a retelling of it, you know,

511
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<v Speaker 1>give me an oral history of this, an article about this,

512
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<v Speaker 1>another go back and remake this because I like, are

513
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<v Speaker 1>you the guy that they interview in it too? Is

514
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<v Speaker 1>like the most like guy who made Connecticut Guy ever?

515
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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Yeah, that's very good, But let's get down

516
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<v Speaker 1>to brass tacks, like enough of this. Let's get to

517
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<v Speaker 1>page eighty three because this is a huge issue and

518
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<v Speaker 1>we're running late. This episode is going to be long.

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<v Speaker 1>A preview start on page eighty three, kicking off with

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<v Speaker 1>Final Fantasy X. You know, I can talk a lot

521
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<v Speaker 1>about Final Fantasy tens, and I'm sure we'll review the

522
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<v Speaker 1>review when we get there, but what I really wanted

523
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<v Speaker 1>to look at just before we move on is at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the first page of the preview. You

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<v Speaker 1>have some screenshots of the characters, and they look distinctly

526
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<v Speaker 1>more Asian than they do in the finest, especially Una

527
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<v Speaker 1>and tied us status, which I think is a is

528
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<v Speaker 1>disappointing that that we moved away from that, like the

529
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<v Speaker 1>the remasters from what twenty fourteen or whenever they came

530
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<v Speaker 1>out Ye criticized for like whitewashing the character faces even more. Yeah,

531
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<v Speaker 1>but I love these shots and I wish we had

532
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<v Speaker 1>seen maybe more of this. That's fascinating and yes, bad,

533
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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, but it is fascinating. Yeah, page ninety six,

534
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<v Speaker 1>we have a preview for a game called a Curra

535
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<v Speaker 1>Psycho Ball, which looks like a pinball game. But that

536
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 1>is just like, that's a sick name for a video game. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to pause on page ninety eight, ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>and appreciate this amazing advertisement for Eco. Can you paint

539
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<v Speaker 1>us a word picture of this ego? Holy cow? Okay,

540
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<v Speaker 1>So this is a gigantic labyrinth maze type thing. You've

541
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<v Speaker 1>got to start and Eco logo, and I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>over to pages and it's hundreds and hundreds of twists

543
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<v Speaker 1>and turns and not kind of celtic not but randomized

544
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<v Speaker 1>and then their screech right, and so you can follow

545
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<v Speaker 1>these paths and then there's arrows. There's some words in

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<v Speaker 1>some spots. We got a little bit of a tagline here.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter a world of enchantment, Your Eco mysterious boy on

548
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<v Speaker 1>a quest. Expelled from your village to an isolated castle.

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<v Speaker 1>You have eerie dreams. D Da da da da da. Eco,

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<v Speaker 1>solve the puzzles, join the Tormented words forever, or join

551
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the torment words forever. Yeah, so very cool, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how the screenshots are sort of scattered through

553
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<v Speaker 1>as though like you're seeing moments as they traverse the

554
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<v Speaker 1>map and that's what's happening in that area of the

555
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<v Speaker 1>map or whatever. Just very evocative, very like representative of

556
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<v Speaker 1>what I think why I think human created art is

557
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<v Speaker 1>just so important even in like you know, capitalist marketing campaigns.

558
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<v Speaker 1>Somebody spent way too much time making this actually navigable,

559
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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I know, can

560
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<v Speaker 1>like can you actually finish that, Matt like that mays

561
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<v Speaker 1>I can't do it without a firm without trying, But

562
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<v Speaker 1>it reads as though it is finishable, right, And there's

563
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<v Speaker 1>little even arrows helping you guide at every intersection. This

564
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<v Speaker 1>is this, that is that to make sure you know

565
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<v Speaker 1>what path you're still on. That's just an enormous amount

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<v Speaker 1>of work. Oh my god, Yeah, very cool. We're gonna

567
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<v Speaker 1>go past the rest of the previews. I would love

568
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<v Speaker 1>to start for previews as Xenosaga, Resident Evil remake, Koshigami,

569
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<v Speaker 1>and even Project Ego, which would go on to become Fable,

570
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<v Speaker 1>which is one of my favorite games of that generation.

571
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<v Speaker 1>But we're gonna go instead to page one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, where the issues Huge feature starts. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 1>the one hundred best games ever. Unfortunately, we're not gonna

574
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<v Speaker 1>spend the whole episode talking about another EGM Top one

575
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<v Speaker 1>hundred Games of All Time list? What nine mainline episodes?

576
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<v Speaker 1>After we did the first, yeah, so is, we did

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<v Speaker 1>issue one hundred and that was if you remember Season

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<v Speaker 1>one episode nineteen a fun Factor, we went over Issue

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and did their their top one hundred games list.

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<v Speaker 1>I could talk about this list four days, but what

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to do is point out some of

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<v Speaker 1>the new editions, maybe games that came out between the

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<v Speaker 1>two lists. I also want to point out that they

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<v Speaker 1>have Final Fantasy seven at number ninety one, and I

585
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<v Speaker 1>do think that sort of reflects the way Fohonnacy seven

586
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<v Speaker 1>kind of always has this like up and down sort

587
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<v Speaker 1>of reputation. But Resident Eva one at number ninety f zero,

588
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<v Speaker 1>Exit eighty five get dunk down. Yeah, it's wild. What else? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Anything else stand out to you kind of at the

590
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<v Speaker 1>top of the list here, Yeah, of course. And I'm granted,

591
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<v Speaker 1>like anything on here is still impressive, right, it's still

592
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<v Speaker 1>top one hundred list nine. But if I'm Fantasy nine

593
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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven, yeah, I'm scrolling up. So you've got You've

594
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<v Speaker 1>got the top ten already. Okay, wait wait, where's twenty six?

595
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<v Speaker 1>It was twenty seven and last okay, so the most positive. Yeah,

596
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<v Speaker 1>a few things I want to point out here. New

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<v Speaker 1>stuff on the list Skys of Arcadia at number eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>We know friends of the show Retrograde Amnesia are starting

599
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a season about Skies of Arcadia. Check them out. Amazing

600
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<v Speaker 1>podcast about old video or old RPGs, Advance Wars at

601
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<v Speaker 1>seventy two. Happy to see that on their nice paper,

602
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<v Speaker 1>Mario at number forty eight. We also have Funasay nine

603
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<v Speaker 1>at fifty seven. Like you said, Link's Awakening is criminally

604
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<v Speaker 1>low at fifty five, and Chronocross number thirty six. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>which I can get on board with just ten spots

606
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<v Speaker 1>behind it severely underranked older sibling. Yes, so, Stewie and

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<v Speaker 1>chat goes. Be sure to check out Mark McDonald's personal

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<v Speaker 1>list at the bottom of one of the pages. And

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<v Speaker 1>Mark McDonald has magician Lauro Nam nineteen seventy five for

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<v Speaker 1>Neo Gio. Both of those are Geo Geo games. Secret

611
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<v Speaker 1>of Mana supers Sonic is overrated, you know it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Vashio Blade PlayStation and einhander. Okay, thank you, Mark the crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say like as a long time eight four

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<v Speaker 1>play listener as well. Mark McDonald's one of the hosts there.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that he has and they all have nicknames

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<v Speaker 1>even way back then. But carrying on, we weren't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>spend too much time on this. Let's run down the

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<v Speaker 1>top ten. We have super Mario World number nine, Final

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<v Speaker 1>Fantasy three which final Panty six now, oh great enough

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<v Speaker 1>time in Majora's Mask, back to back at eight and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Soul Caliber at six, number five, Super Mario sixty four,

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<v Speaker 1>number four, Symphony of the Night number three linked to

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<v Speaker 1>the past, number two, Tetris number one, super Metroid. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think, ty, Yeah, this is fascinating. I want

625
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<v Speaker 1>to go back and see. Do you know where super

626
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<v Speaker 1>Metroid was on their prest I can't remember off the

627
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<v Speaker 1>top of my head. I think it was top ten. Okay,

628
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<v Speaker 1>because you and I had this discussion where you totally

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<v Speaker 1>owned me about Tetris being number one, and how like

630
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<v Speaker 1>it kind of it almost has to be number one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's the perfect game. It's for every platform. It's

632
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<v Speaker 1>so universal, every person can play it. Many people can

633
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<v Speaker 1>play it, well, it's traditional gamers, non traditional gamers. It's

634
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>it's immediate, it's addictive, it's it's just the gamiest possible game.

635
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<v Speaker 1>Didn't make a movie about Super Metroid. No, but it's

636
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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting to me though, because it's like, and I

637
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 1>was trying to go, look like, you can tell stories,

638
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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, technology advances, there's things you can do.

639
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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think the art of video game starts

640
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and stops with Tetris, but I didn't have a really

641
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 1>great argument for that. And now this is fascinating because

642
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Super Metroid is now somehow bubbled up over it, maybe

643
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<v Speaker 1>as we're starting to get towards because Castlevania Sympathy and

644
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<v Speaker 1>Night is four, right, so like we are presaging the

645
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<v Speaker 1>metroid Vania of Wow. If you can combine the kind

646
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<v Speaker 1>of storytelling and progression that only video games can do

647
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<v Speaker 1>with interactivity and with actual telling of stories, right, your

648
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<v Speaker 1>characters are progressing literally in terms of strength and power,

649
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 1>and they're also progressing metaphorically through character arcs at the

650
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 1>same time. That's a powerful form of storytelling, power, powerful

651
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:25.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, realization of the art form. However, there's also

652
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're trying to combine new hotness and you know,

653
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>nostalgia and balance them against each other. You know the

654
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<v Speaker 1>fact that Chrono Trigger was I think twenty seven and

655
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<v Speaker 1>moved up one spot to twenty six is fascinating to me.

656
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Why hasn't that bubble up started yet? You know, we've

657
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<v Speaker 1>talked about it a million times. You know, chrona Trigger

658
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>being gradually bumped up through history and now it's it's

659
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>definitely going to be in many people's top twenty of

660
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<v Speaker 1>all time, top ten of all time, maybe even number

661
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>one of all time, even though there's thousands and thousands

662
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's twenty more years of gas released after this.

663
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Stuie and Chat just throws out, hey, can I offer

664
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<v Speaker 1>a theory? EGM started as a group of primarily hardcore

665
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<v Speaker 1>arcade gamers, and by this era it was primarily folks

666
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<v Speaker 1>who've grown up playing console games. The staff were nes

667
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<v Speaker 1>Genesis SNS kids as opposed to arcade kids. So it's

668
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<v Speaker 1>the generational change over who was staffing the magazine that

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<v Speaker 1>that helped shift their staff picks around a little bit.

670
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<v Speaker 1>Which that's fascinating as well, And that's probably why I

671
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<v Speaker 1>find this list less objectionable, Like I can it fits

672
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>my tastes more closely than the list in the issue

673
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<v Speaker 1>one hundred personally, And like I can go and think

674
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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of games I can argue should be

675
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<v Speaker 1>in the top ten, but like for me personally, the

676
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<v Speaker 1>only ones that stand out are Soul Caliber and the

677
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<v Speaker 1>two Zelda games as games that I wouldn't at least

678
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<v Speaker 1>consider from my own personal put link to the past

679
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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in year three. Uh, wouldn't be it my one

680
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<v Speaker 1>hundred probably TI, it's not that great if I'm taking

681
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<v Speaker 1>ten Zelda games, it's not making it. Ah, Okay, now

682
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<v Speaker 1>I'm just now I'm mad again. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

683
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Like people are like, oh, this is what they no,

684
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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I mean. That's what's fascinating, Like jokes aside,

685
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 1>that's what's fascinating about these lists. And I'm sure you

686
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<v Speaker 1>know Greg and Chat can speak to the arguments, right

687
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 1>like one person's top ten game, like lots of people

688
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>would put Okareen in a Time is a top ten

689
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.079
<v Speaker 1>game of all time. I think it won a top

690
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<v Speaker 1>ten list in EGM at one point, surprise me or somewhere,

691
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<v Speaker 1>But it just it isn't a Zelda game that I

692
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<v Speaker 1>like and I wouldn't put it in my top ten

693
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Zelda games. I'm just not much of a fan of

694
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<v Speaker 1>evoke rain of time. But trying to find like an

695
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<v Speaker 1>objective order for a group of people like you and

696
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I would have to sit here and argument. I'd be like, yeah,

697
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.559
<v Speaker 1>link to the Past should be in the top ten.

698
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<v Speaker 1>You go, I don't even want it on top hundred list.

699
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.400
<v Speaker 1>How do you reconcile that and then put forward something

700
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 1>that is like, you know, representative of the communal? Like,

701
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:29.119
<v Speaker 1>I know how you do it because min Max does

702
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:33.320
<v Speaker 1>this every year the two tens, and they record like

703
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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hours of content as like five to seven people

704
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 1>go through just of their yeah oh yeah, yeah, just

705
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>to come up with a toy and it's it's, oh

706
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 1>my god, the circular dibate giant bomb. I think that's

707
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>something similar where they have like a six hour like

708
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 1>podcast where they debate all of this stuff for Game

709
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Year, which is fabulous, and like, you know what,

710
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 1>you also do it because you have editors who go, no, sorry,

711
00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to put this in at this point, and

712
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.199
<v Speaker 1>so you know, for this show, you edit the audio

713
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.800
<v Speaker 1>version of the podcast, I edit the video version and

714
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<v Speaker 1>we'd probably just end up with different top tens depending

715
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 1>on which FORMA yeah, but it is, you know, it

716
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 1>is cool. There's some great additions, and top one hundred

717
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>lists are just fabulous because it's awesome to talk about games,

718
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's awesome to make, you know, like to make

719
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>your arguments for your favorites. What I really want to

720
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about, though, and this gets back to our opening

721
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<v Speaker 1>conversation is Sean Babies EGM's Craps Dravaganza twenty Worst Games Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>So this follows the top one hundred game. Anyone who's

723
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<v Speaker 1>familiar with Sean Baby knows that he was mildly obsessed

724
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 1>with bad video games, a pretty funny guy, and so

725
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>here he has a pretty long feature about like the

726
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 1>worst games ever. So we're gonna run through some of

727
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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. But first, each game is accompanied by scores

728
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<v Speaker 1>for graphics, fun, and then a third unique metric that

729
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the that's you know, specific to that game. They're also

730
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<v Speaker 1>given an icon so you can easily spot, like what

731
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<v Speaker 1>kind of crap they are? Can you break down the

732
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 1>quote iconocrap system for us time Iconocrap? Want to enjoy

733
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<v Speaker 1>our article but don't know how to read? Watch for

734
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<v Speaker 1>these icons to get an at a gland scander at

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<v Speaker 1>what makes each game so very, very not special. We

736
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<v Speaker 1>have an upside down Sheep for series Black Sheep, a

737
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<v Speaker 1>guy with money eyes for Born in a marketing meeting

738
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<v Speaker 1>full motion video ahead. So we have the drama masks,

739
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<v Speaker 1>but instead of smiling and crying, they're both crying. Licensed

740
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<v Speaker 1>shlock with a pile of dung with a barcode on it.

741
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.599
<v Speaker 1>The Naked Lady silhouette leaves you feeling dirty, the Space

742
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and Space Invader sprite with a halo, vaguely wholesome, overwrought

743
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 1>mall store, Ninja Star called Ninja Kidnap the President, and

744
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 1>then a unicorn mythic bad Graphics and so the cover

745
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 1>image of this feature is a like seventies porn star

746
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<v Speaker 1>guy with like a open collar shirt, baby pink shirt,

747
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:21.519
<v Speaker 1>big glossy necklace with the this is logo. I would

748
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<v Speaker 1>wear this. This is very nice, like the twenty is

749
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<v Speaker 1>as a dragon. It's pretty, it's pretty sick. I can

750
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<v Speaker 1>only assume that this model in the photograph is Greg

751
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Zewart from the show and Chat as well. It's It's

752
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<v Speaker 1>gonna be We're gonna kick things off tie with number twenty,

753
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<v Speaker 1>speaking of the Mandela effect extreme sports. Wait, no, not

754
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the Mandela, Yes, Mandela fan extreme sports with the Berenstein Bears.

755
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>This one is spelt with just ease. But it's it's

756
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<v Speaker 1>yeah that it's yeah. It's even wrong for the thing

757
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<v Speaker 1>that people thought it was right? Is it? People think

758
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<v Speaker 1>it's I don't know. It gets a one out of

759
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<v Speaker 1>ten and graphics, a zero out of ten in fun,

760
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and a zero out of ten in extremeness. Extremeness, Oh,

761
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<v Speaker 1>Greg says the uh. The photograph was Dan Paluso, who

762
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<v Speaker 1>was wasn't having managing editor Davis special incredible. That is

763
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<v Speaker 1>like that is a thick uh like shag rush outstanding

764
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<v Speaker 1>of a chest. It's labeled with born in a marketing meeting, licensed,

765
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.320
<v Speaker 1>schlock and vaguely wholesome. Have you played extreme sports? I

766
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.519
<v Speaker 1>have not. This is Game Boy Color only. I didn't

767
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.760
<v Speaker 1>have a Game Boy Color, and I didn't I would

768
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<v Speaker 1>not have bought this or or played this even if

769
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<v Speaker 1>it had been available to me. Okay, with a six

770
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<v Speaker 1>in graphics, a one in fun, and an eight out

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<v Speaker 1>of ten in Jesus Power. Number nineteen goes to Bible Adventures.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you played Bible Adventures? Tie, and if so, is

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<v Speaker 1>it an accurate representation of scripts? Not only have I

774
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<v Speaker 1>played Bible Adventures, wow, now thy lore. My mom and

775
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.960
<v Speaker 1>dad divorced when I was one, and my dad remarried

776
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>quite quickly, and then he and my stepmom became evangelical

777
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<v Speaker 1>Christians when I was like six, and so I got

778
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<v Speaker 1>whiplashed very hard into like, wait, what what are we

779
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<v Speaker 1>reorganizing our life around? And my mom was like an

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<v Speaker 1>old hippie and lapsed Catholic who was getting really into

781
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<v Speaker 1>like woo stuff. So it was like literally my mom

782
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>was like going to see an astrologer, and then I

783
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 1>would go to my like evangelical Yeah, mom and dad,

784
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<v Speaker 1>So this is great. So my siblings we had Bible Adventures,

785
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 1>we had all the Wisdom Tree terrible games. And also

786
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<v Speaker 1>Sean Baby has rewritten and republished over the years on

787
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<v Speaker 1>his own website some of his takedowns of games. And

788
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<v Speaker 1>I've read various versions of his takedowns of Bible Adventures,

789
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 1>and this is very true because there's so mini games here.

790
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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna read this bit because it is absolutely right.

791
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<v Speaker 1>In Baby Moses, your job is to haul Baby Moses

792
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<v Speaker 1>through a desert filled with spiders who want to eat

793
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Baby Moses. And it doesn't take more than a couple

794
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.159
<v Speaker 1>of minutes for the game to degenerate it to you

795
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>just throwing Baby Moses into a river and watching him sink,

796
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 1>then pretending it was an accident. If you make it

797
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to the end of a level without Baby Moses, your

798
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>only reprimand is good work. But you forgot Baby Moses.

799
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<v Speaker 1>So even if you kill Baby Moses, you still feel

800
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<v Speaker 1>good about yourself. And isn't that exactly what would be

801
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 1>important to Baby Moses at least sitting on the bottom

802
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:41.119
<v Speaker 1>of the river being eaten by spiders. And Sean Baby

803
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 1>was an early master of just the like super super

804
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>turbose snarky style that would be coming to power in

805
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>this era of online slash print at the same time,

806
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and Stue said in the chat, Crispin Boyer contracted Sean

807
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Baby for this list. After he read it, editor in

808
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 1>chief Dance Shoe immediately put Sean on a retainer so

809
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.280
<v Speaker 1>you can keep them as a regular contributor, and I

810
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 1>assume keep him out of competitor mags. Yeah, because Sean

811
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Baby has been dining out on making fun of this

812
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff for twenty years. I actually just looked him up

813
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>a couple weeks ago. He still has a podcast and stuff.

814
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 1>There's a ton of stuff carrying on. A number eighteen.

815
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<v Speaker 1>We have Crisscross make my video. It gets a one

816
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 1>in graphics, a zero in fun, and an eight in

817
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:33.840
<v Speaker 1>evil incantations. Have you played criss Cross make?

818
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:34.760
<v Speaker 3>I have not.

819
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Something like Crisscross doesn't happen without the help of evil wizards,

820
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>So we reckon. The miggity miggity miggity Mac Daddy and

821
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 1>the diggity Diggity Diggity Daddy Mac must be time traveling

822
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>magicians from the future who use their advanced knowledge of

823
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 1>how to wear things backward to infiltrate the music biz,

824
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.000
<v Speaker 1>which means by the time you read this will probably

825
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 1>be toads. Not that I expect there are many of you,

826
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 1>but if you are young enough to not know who

827
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Chriss Cross are, they were rappers where they brothers, and

828
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they wore their clothes backwards for some reason. They would

829
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:14.360
<v Speaker 1>make you jump jump uh huh. Number seventeen twenty games

830
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:19.880
<v Speaker 1>bubbsy three d Oh God Bad Street Brawler, not to

831
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.599
<v Speaker 1>be confused with Good Street Brawler. No. At Number sixteen

832
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:26.320
<v Speaker 1>total recall takes the fifteenth spot. Have you played bubbsy

833
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>three D, Bad Street Brawler or Total Recall tigh No,

834
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I haven't though Bad Street Brawler looks very much like

835
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a straight ripoff of River City. Yeah, and it looks

836
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>much worse, which is a good street brawl. It's a

837
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 1>good street brawler. Yeah, we have we're coming in and

838
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.199
<v Speaker 1>we're coming up on the you know, like of the

839
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.679
<v Speaker 1>midway point here of the list, as we get closer

840
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 1>to the top ten. We have Aircars at fourteen, Rap

841
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Jam Volume one at thirteen everyone knows Rap Jam got

842
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>good with volume two, and night Trap at twelve oh

843
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.599
<v Speaker 1>boy oh and Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Heroes of the

844
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Lamps and number eleven. Have you played Aircars, Rap Jam

845
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Volume one, Night Trap or Advance Dungeons and Dragons Heroes

846
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:20.199
<v Speaker 1>of the Lamb. I haven't to. Night Trap is the only, like,

847
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, memorable one. I think you know that I

848
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.239
<v Speaker 1>might have played. I know people who played it, you know,

849
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:28.920
<v Speaker 1>gone back and played it. Obviously it was a huge

850
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:35.119
<v Speaker 1>cultural phenomenon, mostly negatively and positively. I think this is

851
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 1>just the anti full motion video. Yeah, the night Trap

852
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 1>is a classic fire This shod baby guy. You know

853
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 1>FMV at the time that it just wasn't there, right.

854
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the thing that people wanted it to be.

855
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't interactive. It was technically possible, but not great,

856
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 1>So I get why people love to hate it, and then,

857
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>especially when it brought a bunch of heat on the industry,

858
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.079
<v Speaker 1>also people love to hate that. Kicking off the top

859
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.719
<v Speaker 1>ten worst games of all time is Revolution X, which

860
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 1>I believe is an Arrowsmith themed light gun game. Yeah

861
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.360
<v Speaker 1>gets it. Two in graphics, a zero in fun, and

862
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 1>a zero in basic concept. Have you ever played Revolution

863
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>X time? I have not because this was reviewed very

864
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 1>poorly at the time. Zero in fun. You'll be in

865
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.880
<v Speaker 1>some rooms shooting unflinching identical men for ten minutes, while

866
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 1>the same four seconds of an Aerosmith too loop indefinitely.

867
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.159
<v Speaker 1>That's not a game. That's a Nazi experiment to see

868
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.320
<v Speaker 1>how much takes for a human head to pop. Good

869
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:39.400
<v Speaker 1>lucktopping Revolution X satan uh huh who. Number nine is

870
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a regrettable game called Custers Oven where Colonel Custard Is

871
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that what his name is? General Custer? Yes, I'm not

872
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.159
<v Speaker 1>up on my American history. I'm sorry, General Custer tries

873
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 1>to cross the desert and sexually assault Indigenous women. His

874
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:03.719
<v Speaker 1>boner is made from several pixel Wow. Yeah, it gets

875
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a three in graphics, a one in fun, and an

876
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:13.679
<v Speaker 1>eight or is that an historical accuracy? Uh? Wow? Yeah,

877
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I Q this is astonishing. Yeah, you didn't know about

878
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>this game? No, I did not. This game is not

879
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 1>not good. This is this is horrifying. Yeah, and I

880
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Speaker 1>thank you Sean historical accuracy gets nine. Although General Custer

881
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't sexually assault any of them and was in fact

882
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 1>instead killed by Native Americans, the rest of this game's

883
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.199
<v Speaker 1>premise is actually correct. Besides adding true to history details

884
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 1>like Custer's magnificent pink scarf and blue cowboy hat, the

885
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:47.679
<v Speaker 1>creators did exhaustive research on cowboys having sex. Oh my gosh, okay,

886
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 1>so like, like, I don't even have words to describe

887
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:59.079
<v Speaker 1>how horrible this is also Custer's revenge, And here here's

888
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:05.760
<v Speaker 1>your history. Prime Custer got freaking owned. He was a

889
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>dumb guy who got absolutely routed, and then they tried

890
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 1>to make a hero out of him by being like

891
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and this was the guy who got at the bottom

892
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.639
<v Speaker 1>of a hill and had like four different tribes calm

893
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:24.880
<v Speaker 1>down the hill and kill all his people. Terrible good gravy. Okay,

894
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>let's move on. That's Oh did you play Custer's Revenge?

895
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Don't say no? Okay, Ty, would you like to do

896
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.679
<v Speaker 1>the honors of introducing game numbers? Why?

897
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

898
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Would?

899
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Man? We reviewed? Uh? Was it Next Generations review?

900
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 1>May it was Game Pro because they had the sports editor.

901
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 1>It was a Game Pro's review of White Men Can't

902
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Don't Jump? For the Atari Jaguar Woo for the game

903
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Speaker 1>version of White Men Can't Jump. We were expecting to

904
00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 1>fight our way through the Kingdom of the Swamp people

905
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:03.440
<v Speaker 1>with fire, basketball throwing atomic Wesley snipes, it's amazing that

906
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>they actually made the game about basketball. And I remember,

907
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:11.519
<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on, hold on, Okay, I'm scanning this article.

908
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.039
<v Speaker 1>I note because here's the thing. The reason I know

909
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>these is that Sean Baby put on his website expanded

910
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 1>versions of all of these amazing and so I think

911
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I actually came to somebody linked me to his website

912
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.840
<v Speaker 1>where he has expanded versions of all of these, and

913
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 1>he complained about the premise the title being like reverse racist.

914
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>So he's like, oh, white men Can't Jump. He's like, well,

915
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 1>what if I made a movie called Asian Women Drive

916
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:45.079
<v Speaker 1>like Tiny Maniacs? You wouldn't like that? Oh boy? So

917
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I think Sean Baby maybe was best with an editor

918
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:55.159
<v Speaker 1>because leaning into the edgy humor didn't age nearly as

919
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.400
<v Speaker 1>well when we stuck with you know, the more clever takedowns.

920
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, that line stuck in my head.

921
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:06.960
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, thanks to sloppy graphics and insane camera work,

922
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the hoop looks like a distant chunk of grape nuts.

923
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:13.119
<v Speaker 1>You can never tell when you make a basket. Thankfully,

924
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>basketball phrases appear on screen when anything happens. What's funny

925
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.159
<v Speaker 1>is he kicks it off saying, quote for a game

926
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.159
<v Speaker 1>version of White Man Can Jump, we were expecting to

927
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 1>fight our way through the Kingdom of the swamp people

928
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:29.960
<v Speaker 1>with a fire, basketball throwing atomic Wesley Snipes. But on

929
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the previous page he lists go down Yeah, top five

930
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 1>worst game concepts ever shak fu number one, A basketball

931
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:40.599
<v Speaker 1>player in a fighting game sounds like a third degree

932
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 1>black mountain crap. Huh, which is it? Do you want

933
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 1>to play as a basketball player eh in an action game?

934
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Or do you come on? Shong baby number Did you

935
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:50.559
<v Speaker 1>ever play?

936
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 3>No?

937
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:52.920
<v Speaker 1>White Man. Can No, I don't think I've even played.

938
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.559
<v Speaker 1>I haven't played a Jaguar. I haven't played a Jaguar game.

939
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I've ever seen it. Number seven,

940
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 1>can you use the trend of bad media IP tie

941
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 1>ins with Superman sixty four, which even at the time

942
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:10.039
<v Speaker 1>was like lambastard for being super bad? It gets a

943
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.639
<v Speaker 1>score of one in graphics, which is too high, a

944
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.559
<v Speaker 1>zero in fun, and a nine in realism. Number six

945
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.159
<v Speaker 1>is Gilligan's Island, which scored a one in graphics, a

946
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 1>zero in fun, and a one in craftsmanship. Did you

947
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 1>ever play Superman sixty four or Gilligan's Island? No, no,

948
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.679
<v Speaker 1>I cannot play any of these. I also have gilligans

949
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Island kind of looks like a metal gear solid ripo. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

950
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:40.679
<v Speaker 1>that's fantastic. Okay yeah. Virtue Woso cracks open our top five,

951
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 1>scoring a zero in graphics, a zero in fun, and

952
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a zero in realistic portrayal of a megastar lifestyle for

953
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>an average rating of zero. How is that not the

954
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.599
<v Speaker 1>number one worst game? In question? Good question? Have you

955
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 1>played Virtuoso tie?

956
00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:57.280
<v Speaker 3>No?

957
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Neither have I played Captain Novelle in so at number four,

958
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I see to teach children about diabetes, a game I'm

959
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 1>certain doesn't actually exist. It got a one in graphics,

960
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>is zero in fun, and a zero in ability to

961
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.320
<v Speaker 1>save lives. Number three is another game I don't think

962
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 1>actually exists, called Fight for Life, which got a one

963
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.400
<v Speaker 1>in graphics, a one in fun, and a one in

964
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 1>contribution to failure. I know you didn't play Captain Virtual

965
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.960
<v Speaker 1>or Captain Noble, Captain Virtuo. So Captain Noblean, did you

966
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:33.360
<v Speaker 1>play Fight for Life? No? Again, Jaguar game. Didn't play it,

967
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:40.079
<v Speaker 1>but this got brutal reviews in every magazine. I can't

968
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:43.639
<v Speaker 1>imagine what consoles fail for subtle reasons like bad marketing

969
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.559
<v Speaker 1>or sun spots. But there's bad games that killed the Jaguar,

970
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:48.800
<v Speaker 1>which really didn't fail hard enough. If any of the

971
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 1>people responsible for the Jaguar still have their homes, there

972
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:55.320
<v Speaker 1>is no justice in the World runner up. We have

973
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 1>a three way tie between the CD I Zelda games. Sure,

974
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.760
<v Speaker 1>did you ever play the CDI Zelda games? Tye? Have

975
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 1>you ever seen a CDI in real life? Definitely not

976
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 1>seen a CDI in real life. No. I would love

977
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:12.639
<v Speaker 1>for Nintendo to somehow figure out how to get these

978
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.119
<v Speaker 1>on uh Nintendo Switch online. So good?

979
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

980
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Taking top spot is e t with a zero graphics,

981
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a zero in fun, and a ten in a Little

982
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Boy's Love, for an average score of about three point

983
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.119
<v Speaker 1>three three. I gotta say this feels more like a

984
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 1>meme pick than anything. Did you play, yeah, tye, yes?

985
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 1>If so? Did you dig it out of a Mexico landfilm?

986
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 2>No?

987
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I did not dix it out of the get Out

988
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:44.159
<v Speaker 1>of any Mexico landfill. I had you know, friends, babysitters,

989
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:47.599
<v Speaker 1>et cetera that had atari's and this game it's so

990
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:56.000
<v Speaker 1>it's so like inscrutable, like you don't even really understand

991
00:58:56.320 --> 00:59:00.519
<v Speaker 1>what's happening, and like is he it says most of

992
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.679
<v Speaker 1>the actual gameplay here, as you trying to escape from

993
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 1>scientists and jumping into pits to find parts of your telephone.

994
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:13.039
<v Speaker 1>I like, we thought you were not supposed to fall

995
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in the pits. We thought you were supposed to be

996
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to avoid the pits, which you couldn't typically game

997
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't do You're trying to avoid exactly, and so

998
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>like you would constantly fall into the pits and then

999
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:27.840
<v Speaker 1>just be like I can't get out, and like we

1000
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:32.719
<v Speaker 1>didn't know how to make them get out. Uh yeah,

1001
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's absolutely terrible game and famously notoriously terrible game.

1002
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And also famously and notoriously yes, they took all of

1003
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 1>their excess backstock millions and millions and millions of backstock

1004
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 1>cartridges and just sorry, there's been hundreds of thousands probably

1005
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.119
<v Speaker 1>and put them in a landfill, which they then vigorously

1006
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:57.199
<v Speaker 1>denied until people went and found several years ago Et

1007
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 1>cartridges in that landfill. It did happen. Graphics have got

1008
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:05.440
<v Speaker 1>a zero, and they need to read this quote quote.

1009
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Et has never looked worse, which is a pretty amazing

1010
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.920
<v Speaker 1>accomplishment since he started out looking like a slimy little

1011
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:16.800
<v Speaker 1>space penis. And I think that is a fabulous way

1012
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to wrap up Sean Babies. Yes, top twenty worst games

1013
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 1>of all time. Wow, compelling podcasting. But sadly, I've played

1014
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.639
<v Speaker 1>exactly zero of those games in my life. You've played

1015
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:33.079
<v Speaker 1>a few, yes, which I'm impressed by. And we just

1016
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 1>spent way too long on that section. I love that

1017
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.320
<v Speaker 1>you put that in the script, and then we spent

1018
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.679
<v Speaker 1>even much longer than I bet you thought we would.

1019
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Incredible stuff. I had a feeling I had a feeling

1020
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:47.440
<v Speaker 1>we are unfortunately going to skip past this buyer's guide,

1021
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:52.000
<v Speaker 1>which has some incredible unique art. It reminds me of

1022
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.840
<v Speaker 1>like the cover of a soul hip hop album, like

1023
01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:02.840
<v Speaker 1>way back in the day. Beautiful stuff. Okay, but you

1024
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 1>know we're running late. We're running, we're running fast. We

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even got to our review yet, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>skip this holiday gift buyer's guide and get to the review.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, so before we do that. No matter how

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<v Speaker 1>great the writing is in these classic game magazines, our

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<v Speaker 1>favorite writing is yours. When we come back from the

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<v Speaker 1>sad break, we read your reviews of our reviews of

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<v Speaker 1>classic video game magazine reviews right here on fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact, we've got mail.

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<v Speaker 1>As promised, we always review the best, funniest, kindness, and

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<v Speaker 1>most entertaining. Five star Apple podcast reviews on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Bonus points if you say who your favorite host is

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<v Speaker 1>and why. Double bonus points if it's paid all right

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple Podcasts. Five stars from Random Underscore Guitar. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a podcast I didn't know I needed in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>but now I'm obsessed. I don't typically re listen to

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts multiple times, but this one may have inspired me

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. One thing I like about fun factor

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<v Speaker 1>is I can listen to nostalgic game content without worrying

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<v Speaker 1>about spoiling games I haven't played yet. Oh it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>This pot is simply fun to listen to. It is

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<v Speaker 1>very well produced and the music's a great touch as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Random guitar. That is super cool to read.

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<v Speaker 1>Love the review, love the rating. It helps us a

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<v Speaker 1>ton aid. And you said you've got some Discord comments

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to share. Yeah, so we touched base with

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<v Speaker 1>our ultra readers or ultra review crew in the exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>Discord channel to ask about their experiences with like the

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<v Speaker 1>worst games they ever bought, and we got some great

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<v Speaker 1>responses here. So Quabi Lay said, Mega Man Network Transmission,

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01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 1>it's so sluggish and trying to bring that game back

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<v Speaker 1>into three D from the cool RPG car An Act

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<v Speaker 1>of Grid Combat was a mistake. The GBA games, those

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01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:08.519
<v Speaker 1>MegaMan GBA like RPGs were cool. I never played a

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<v Speaker 1>network transmission, but it is it's tough, like to make

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<v Speaker 1>that jump from kind of one genre to the other,

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<v Speaker 1>one medium to another. To pay in Discord, says does

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<v Speaker 1>switch to Welcome to her account. I like switch to

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Her.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>You did have to buy it, though, so fair. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it counts. I thought it was worth a few

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<v Speaker 1>ten bucks or whatever. Lord Drew be Andrew Blewett in

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<v Speaker 1>chat says Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, which I expect would

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<v Speaker 1>make a lot of people's lists at launch, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot better now, Andrew says quote. I was told it

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<v Speaker 1>would have player agency and choices like an immersive sim.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it wouldn't let me opt out of my character

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<v Speaker 1>getting a cybernetic implant. I don't want hackers or corporations

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<v Speaker 1>getting a hold of my body through an implant kind

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<v Speaker 1>of player choices at refunded it shortly after. That is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because that does kind of get to the I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't played Cyberpunk, but I assume the main theme is, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the intersection between technology and humanity, what makes

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<v Speaker 1>a human? All that kind of stuff, and that seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it would be a big consequential choice in a

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<v Speaker 1>game like that. James Halliday says Starfox zero. Never has

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<v Speaker 1>a game looked so good but absolutely missed the mark

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<v Speaker 1>so bad. Star Fox sixty four was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best games developed and instead of following that formula, Nintendo

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<v Speaker 1>has consistently attempted to innovate the series with half cooked ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>and Starfox zero is just the latest blunder. Instead of

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<v Speaker 1>smooth gameplay with a charismatic cast of characters and multiple

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<v Speaker 1>roots for replay ability, the game broke the flow with

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<v Speaker 1>mini robot sections and repetitive bosses. I just wanted a

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<v Speaker 1>star Fox game, Yeah right, please just want just do

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. Just make good games. Yeah, just like make

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01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:59.239
<v Speaker 1>a good Starfox game. You got a template. So fabulous stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>In their study also said he also wanted to like Cyberpunk,

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01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.800
<v Speaker 1>but now he's getting that fixed with replaced. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you votes for Cyberpunk, which is fair. I bought it

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01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:10.119
<v Speaker 1>for cheap because I wanted to check it out and

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01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:12.239
<v Speaker 1>switch to but I have not played it yet. So

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<v Speaker 1>fabulous stuff. On the fun Factor Discord, if you're not

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01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.360
<v Speaker 1>already a member, you can join the discord for free.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a active, passionate, knowledgeable kind community, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you're an ultra member you get access to the Altered Lounge,

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<v Speaker 1>where we do stuff like pull our listeners on the

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<v Speaker 1>worst games they've ever bought, drop secret links to the

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<v Speaker 1>recording sessions like this episode right now, So get on

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<v Speaker 1>over there. It's a lot of fun, awesome stuff. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you all so much for your ratings, your reviews, your comments,

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<v Speaker 1>your input. We love reading your stuff, We love interacting

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<v Speaker 1>with you guys. Please continue to share and rate and

1108
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<v Speaker 1>review on Apple podcasts. Put comments in YouTube if you're

1109
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<v Speaker 1>watching on the YouTube version right because that just helps

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<v Speaker 1>the computers, the great gods that decide who gets to

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<v Speaker 1>see what to keep making what. I know that they

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<v Speaker 1>hate people like what we're doing and are interactive with this,

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<v Speaker 1>go do that. We'll read the best, kindest, funniest and

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01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 1>most insightful ones on the air. Sit tight for one

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<v Speaker 1>more break. We will come back, do what we do

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<v Speaker 1>and review a GM's review of metal Gear Solid Tune.

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<v Speaker 1>We're having five stars out of five stars worth fun

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<v Speaker 1>today and folks, if you are to leave a rating

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<v Speaker 1>and review on Apple podcast, as I just said, we

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<v Speaker 1>will read the best, finest, best funniest, guyness and most

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01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.559
<v Speaker 1>entertaining ones on the air. But now it's time we

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<v Speaker 1>review the review. The thing that we do aiden take

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<v Speaker 1>it away. Have you recovered from the last section? I

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<v Speaker 1>maybe because I have, sure, But fortunately we're pretty familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with EGM's review format. At this point issue one fifty,

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01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:09.679
<v Speaker 1>they're still using their long standing review crew set up,

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<v Speaker 1>with most games getting three capsule reviews, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>get one capsule review, some of the smaller releases, some

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<v Speaker 1>of them, like the big releases, and there are many

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<v Speaker 1>this month, get capsule reviews and like a full length,

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<v Speaker 1>multi page feature review. They use a ten point scale

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<v Speaker 1>with half points, so it's like a twenty point scale,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. And according to their rubric, a ten is

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<v Speaker 1>quote one of the best games ever made, a revolutionary title,

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<v Speaker 1>A zero is a game you want to avoid at

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<v Speaker 1>all costs, and a five is average. Platinum, Gold, and

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<v Speaker 1>Silver awards are given out for average scores of ten

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<v Speaker 1>nine plus and between eight and nine, respectively. This issue

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<v Speaker 1>is packed with genuine classics like not just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>memorable games like genuine classics Pickman, which we just covered

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<v Speaker 1>in the last episode when we looked at Issue an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five next Generation. This issue is also from January

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two, Like I said, and it has

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<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't skip this, I think. Actually we talked

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<v Speaker 1>off air about the fact that we might stick to

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<v Speaker 1>January two thousand and two for a few episodes. Because

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<v Speaker 1>this issue has reviews of Halo, it has a review

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<v Speaker 1>of Grand Theft Auto three, it has reviews of Burnout,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack and Daxter, Golden Sun, and just a enormous number

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<v Speaker 1>of like legitimate bangers Warriorland for and of course the

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<v Speaker 1>best three D fighting game of all time Doender Live three,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. And so we're going to stick around in

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<v Speaker 1>January two thousand and two for at least this episode,

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01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:56.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe more. It's a jam packed month. So I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out we're going to talk about it. We

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01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:03.319
<v Speaker 1>was drinking here, looks like mountain, dem It's clearly mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>But like cheers, I think, I don't think read those before.

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<v Speaker 1>Code red? Code is code red? Okay, Wow, I didn't

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01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.960
<v Speaker 1>realize code red. Uh, I forgot it was that long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a code red. Incredible that that we have this steward,

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<v Speaker 1>a time capsule, all right, twenty five cents in the

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<v Speaker 1>office vending machine for a cant of code red. So

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<v Speaker 1>today you know, with games, what did I say, Pickman, Burnout,

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Theft Auto three, Jack and Daxter, Dead Our Live three,

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01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Halo project, Gotham Racing, which was a source of debate

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<v Speaker 1>in the Fun Factor discord recently. Yes, it was Shrek,

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Sun, Warrio Lan four. What we're going to review,

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<v Speaker 1>None of those, None of those bangers. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>review drum Roll Doom for the Devoid bands. No we're

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<v Speaker 1>not Doom. No we're not. We're gonna stop on page

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<v Speaker 1>two twelve for e GM's three page view of metal

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<v Speaker 1>Gear Solid two. It's your experience with metal Gear Solid two. Ty,

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<v Speaker 1>what about the like metal Gear Solid series as a whole?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely zero? Oh boy, absolutely zero. I have metal Gear

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<v Speaker 1>Solid at all. I don't know, and I think I

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01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.960
<v Speaker 1>very very briefly mentioned it on one episode. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just one of those like even though I read all

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<v Speaker 1>these magazines and stuff, like, word of mouth was still huge.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a very you know, tight knit friend group,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of my friends got it and I was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>now this kind of sucks actually, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh okay. And then when metal Gear Solid two came out,

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01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:40.560
<v Speaker 1>it was like, oh man, I really it looks like

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01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I really really needed to have played one in order

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<v Speaker 1>to play too. And so then, like many things in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, my instinct for completionism meant that I just

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<v Speaker 1>never did it, ever, I never played any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because, like we'll kind of get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>but skipping metal Gear Solid one maybe would have improved

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<v Speaker 1>initial impressions of Metal Gear Solid two because there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of debate about some of the choices it

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<v Speaker 1>made the I played a lot of Metal Gear Solid two.

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01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I was a big fan. I didn't even mind the

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01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:17.439
<v Speaker 1>fake out, which we'll touch on in a second. But

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<v Speaker 1>metal Gear Solo on the PlayStation was, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>popular game among me and my friend groups I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I told this story on the podcast before,

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<v Speaker 1>but fond memories of like I was home sick from

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<v Speaker 1>school one day and just playing through metal Gear Solid

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<v Speaker 1>in one sitting. So when two came out, I was stoked,

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<v Speaker 1>very excited. I don't think I had my own PlayStation yet,

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01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:42.760
<v Speaker 1>so I must have played a friend's house, but very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>The main part of this feature is uncredited, but it's big,

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<v Speaker 1>and it digs deep into the game, using a voice

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't necessarily feel like it's trying to stick to

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01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the banal house style, like it still feels like you're

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01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:01.960
<v Speaker 1>sitting down with a specific person, even if it's unnamed. Notably,

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<v Speaker 1>it kicks off with this statement, which I thought was interesting. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>First things first, don't read this review if you're worried

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<v Speaker 1>about it ruining any part of Metal Gear Solid two story.

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<v Speaker 1>It will. We do have some complaints, but you still

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<v Speaker 1>must play the game, and you should do that knowing

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<v Speaker 1>as little as possible. For maximum enjoyment, just skip ahead

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<v Speaker 1>to the spoiler free reviews on page two fourteen, then

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01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:28.840
<v Speaker 1>go play the game. So a lot of this is

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<v Speaker 1>referencing the fact that for the first two hours you

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<v Speaker 1>play a Solid Snake, the hero, the main character from

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<v Speaker 1>the earlier games in the series, and Metal Gear Solid

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<v Speaker 1>one you have the Tanker episode. It's fabulous. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>little closed box of like perfect Metal Gear Solid gameplay,

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<v Speaker 1>probably like the best Metal Gear Solid gameplay there is.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you beat the Tanker and then there's a fake

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<v Speaker 1>out Snake disappears and you start playing as a new

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Ryding or Raiden. I guess it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>rhyme with my name, right, and Rayden Rayden, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>so that's where a lot of the like consternation comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>This rug pole was widely talked about famously. Infamously, it

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<v Speaker 1>changed the perception of Metal Gear Solid completely. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I think is interesting here is how the review immediately

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<v Speaker 1>presents itself as like a piece of criticism rather than

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<v Speaker 1>like a buyer's guide style. Should I buy this review?

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<v Speaker 1>Which is what we were used to at the time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I like that EGM was saying, Hey, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this game, and it's like legacy or

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<v Speaker 1>what it's shaped, like, how it how it shapes the

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01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:44.880
<v Speaker 1>game's industry and the series and all that. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think of this tie this approach? Yeah, no, I

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01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:51.359
<v Speaker 1>like this, especially we've got this spoiler free review versus

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01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:55.800
<v Speaker 1>not version, right, like having that jump that's cool. I

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01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:58.279
<v Speaker 1>like that a lot. And of course people playing Metal

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01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Gear Solid are interested in Get Solid too, are going

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01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.560
<v Speaker 1>to want, you know, a spoiler free experience as much

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01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:08.039
<v Speaker 1>as they can probably, right, Like, giving people that choice

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01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:12.039
<v Speaker 1>is very cool. And so you still get your multiple

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01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.680
<v Speaker 1>named like kind of capsule reviews along with this. This

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01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.479
<v Speaker 1>is a huge amount of real estate. Obviously you've got

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01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:22.159
<v Speaker 1>so many screenshots. You've also got your strategy tips, which, like,

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01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:28.039
<v Speaker 1>I never need strategy tips in a review, right, Like

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01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I never am, Like, oh what I really love is that.

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01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:33.880
<v Speaker 1>But also a lot of the best reviews have them,

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01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.479
<v Speaker 1>and it just kind of shows a level of care.

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01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I think you know that. It shows the reviewer has

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01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:41.359
<v Speaker 1>played through the game and thought a lot about it

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01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and going oh, hey, by the way, you're probably gonna

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01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.239
<v Speaker 1>get stuck here. Make sure you do this right, like

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<v Speaker 1>like trust yeah, between the reader and the crew. Absolutely,

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01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and so again, it just shows the reviewers played through

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01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:55.680
<v Speaker 1>this game, thought about this game, is thinking about the

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01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.199
<v Speaker 1>audience while playing the game, is thinking about the review

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01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:01.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't just play through it and they go, okay, cool,

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01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.159
<v Speaker 1>here are my thoughts. You know, it was created as

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01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you go, stop and get these screenshots. The screenshots are

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01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:10.439
<v Speaker 1>cool and relevant, not just ones that were like, you know,

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01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:13.359
<v Speaker 1>sent in so that and like this pull out here

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01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Solid Snake's Funniest home videos. Now, our studio audience will

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<v Speaker 1>vote on which of the following scenes sent to us

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<v Speaker 1>by people just like you and me, they'd like to

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01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:22.560
<v Speaker 1>see you win our ten thousand dollars fries. Will it

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01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:25.439
<v Speaker 1>be naked man in tunnel sent in by Scott Dolph

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01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:28.560
<v Speaker 1>of Treeport, Maryland and clapping? Why is this rain yellow?

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01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Sent in by terrorist Number seventy two from unknown? Or

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<v Speaker 1>how about bird craps on super agent's face from d Snake.

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01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Aw this scene only available on at A your Solid

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01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:44.399
<v Speaker 1>two too hot for TV Snake Gone wild you So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like just a lot of creativity and then also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of serious critique and content. Very cool, yeah, very cool. Now.

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01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:58.039
<v Speaker 1>In chat, Greg Sewart says he's pretty sure Mark McDonald

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01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:00.079
<v Speaker 1>wrote the main part of the review, which makes d

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01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Greg's also reached out on Discord and says he has

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<v Speaker 1>a quick story about this review if we want to

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01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:11.560
<v Speaker 1>bring him on to the podcast as a oh well, heck, surprise, guys.

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01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I can do that. Hold on, okay, okay,

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01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:20.920
<v Speaker 1>let's do guest. Yes, copy link here we go is live?

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01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Is incredible. Look at us live radio you've sent, We've said,

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01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:30.760
<v Speaker 1>stewing the link on Discord. Oh, hello, we have a

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01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.399
<v Speaker 1>surprise guest. Great. Hey, this is Greg Sewart e gm alum,

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01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:37.680
<v Speaker 1>who has a special story for us about this review. Greg,

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01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 1>of course, was on staff with EGM at the time

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<v Speaker 1>this was written. Thanks for joining us, Greg. Oh, I

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01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:44.840
<v Speaker 1>can't hear you.

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01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:47.039
<v Speaker 3>I'll on my microphone and that'll be easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, I know you guys are running late and I

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01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:53.079
<v Speaker 4>don't want to take up too much of your time.

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01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:54.560
<v Speaker 4>I won't stick around for this whole thing, but I

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01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:57.199
<v Speaker 4>do have a story about this this review in particular.

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<v Speaker 3>You had previously mentioned.

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<v Speaker 4>How obviously there was a big rug pull with middle

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01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:06.479
<v Speaker 4>Gear Solid two and Konami had spent well over a

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<v Speaker 4>year really promoting this game. For all we knew it

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be Solid Snake doing his thing in

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01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 4>his first PlayStation two game. So because of the secrecy

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01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:19.760
<v Speaker 4>around this, the people who reviewed this game, which I

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01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.000
<v Speaker 4>believe is Mark and I'm not sure who else it was,

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01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:26.920
<v Speaker 4>maybe Jonathan and Craig, they were actually Chay, I almost

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01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:29.760
<v Speaker 4>remembered it all. They were actually flown out to Konami

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01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:33.920
<v Speaker 4>to review this game. This game was not sent to

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01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:36.760
<v Speaker 4>two media outlets to review. They had to go review

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01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:40.960
<v Speaker 4>it basically in secret because of the big rug pull.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't want people. They didn't want that leaking.

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<v Speaker 4>But the fun part for me about this is I

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<v Speaker 4>was a huge Metal Gear Solid fan, could not wait

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01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:51.560
<v Speaker 4>for Metal Gear Solid two, so excited for it. Part

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01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:54.600
<v Speaker 4>of my job at the time working at this magazine

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<v Speaker 4>was I was one of.

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<v Speaker 3>The proofreaders for all the copies.

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<v Speaker 4>So I shouldn't say that for the previews, I was

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<v Speaker 4>the previews editor, but for reviews, I proofread all the

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<v Speaker 4>copy before it went to I think Mark McDonald and

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<v Speaker 4>then to Dan Schue and got approved. So I had

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01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:10.960
<v Speaker 4>to proofread this thing and I had the rug pull

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<v Speaker 4>completely ruined for me before I ever got a chance

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<v Speaker 4>to play the game. And I remember yelling at Mark

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<v Speaker 4>across the office because he did write this where there's

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<v Speaker 4>that big spoiler intro, and I was like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, you know, it can't be that bad,

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<v Speaker 4>right this, It can't be that bad. And then you

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<v Speaker 4>read it's like, oh yeah, you play ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 4>the game, is this completely unknown character. It's just the

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<v Speaker 4>entire point of the game. And it was completely ruined

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<v Speaker 4>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, oh no, oh boy. The perils working in

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<v Speaker 1>the game.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. See we bled for our art, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sabulous, Yes, yes, yes, amazing stuff. Getting flown out

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01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.239
<v Speaker 1>her review is still wild to me, Like I have

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01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:55.439
<v Speaker 1>to like fight with pr just to get a code.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh we live in a much different time now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah sure cool. Anyway, thank you so much. Yeah, I

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01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:03.279
<v Speaker 1>won't keep you guys having your feed. Like your perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on this is so fabulous, So thanks, thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>For sure, thanks for covering this issue. This is, like

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01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:09.439
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned, one of my favorite issues. I this is

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<v Speaker 4>one of the best issues we ever produced during my

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<v Speaker 4>time there.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's awesome. We could spend four hours on this issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's wild. So thanks thanks for the working and

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01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:21.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone else they're doing all right. Thank you guys, Thank you,

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01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:26.640
<v Speaker 1>see ya all right. Wow, Stewie Gregs he's joining us

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01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:28.880
<v Speaker 1>for this. It's incredible. You know, the overlap. This is

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01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.000
<v Speaker 1>something that we've you know, treaded lightly from the beginning

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01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:34.279
<v Speaker 1>where we go, okay, well, like we're tagging some of

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01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:37.399
<v Speaker 1>these people who are involved on social media, like, oh man,

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01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:39.800
<v Speaker 1>how is it going to change our relationship to this stuff?

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01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:42.920
<v Speaker 1>You know. But hey, to have people who are literally

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the publication of the thing that we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at and they're just as excited about it as we are,

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<v Speaker 1>it's super super cool. Absolutely. Moving to the capsule reviews,

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<v Speaker 1>mal You're Solid two received nine point fives across the

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<v Speaker 1>board from Mark McDonald, Jonathan Dudlock, and j Chaw and

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<v Speaker 1>a in viduals nine in sound and eight in ingenuity,

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01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>which seems crazy to me, and then eight in replay. Ty,

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<v Speaker 1>can you read the opening of Mark McDonald's Capsule review,

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<v Speaker 1>who we now also know wrote the feature review. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and wow, I ate an ingenuity? Like what else do

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01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:17.039
<v Speaker 1>you want? I mean, I guess just because it's the sequel.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's why the ice cubes melted? What crazy? You

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01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:24.399
<v Speaker 1>could shoot like a glass like a drink. Oh, and

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01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:26.760
<v Speaker 1>then the ice cubes would fall like fall out, like

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01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:30.119
<v Speaker 1>physics based, and then they would like slowly crazy stuff.

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01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:34.039
<v Speaker 1>I know there was like butt, there's naked butt in

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<v Speaker 1>a video ingenuity, that's what ye. Despite what you might assume,

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01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:41.119
<v Speaker 1>this is not an easy game to review. The overall

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01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:43.920
<v Speaker 1>quality is unquestionably high, some of the best graphics on

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01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:47.159
<v Speaker 1>a home game, yet ridiculously detailed environments packed with secrets,

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01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:51.239
<v Speaker 1>tiny jokes and optional extras, replay bolstered by collectibles and

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01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:56.840
<v Speaker 1>harder difficulties and controls you can truly master. But the story,

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01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:03.079
<v Speaker 1>how can I put this? Sucks ass? Kochuma like is

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01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>known for his absolutely like batshit stories right, and I

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01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:11.039
<v Speaker 1>think that most people would agree now that the increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>absurd storyline in the Metal Gear Solid series went from

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<v Speaker 1>like a strength where it felt unpredictable and like sort

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01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:26.479
<v Speaker 1>of like an espionage thriller undergirded by like science fiction

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01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:30.399
<v Speaker 1>e elements, comic bookie elements, and that all started to

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01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:33.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of like take over in later games. A Metal

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01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Gear Solid two was the first sign that, like, not

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01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:39.399
<v Speaker 1>all of Kojuma's risks were going to be popular. Then

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01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:41.439
<v Speaker 1>he kind of went back in Metal Gearsolo three was

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<v Speaker 1>a little more traditional, and it's one of the best

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01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:47.159
<v Speaker 1>in the series because of that. But four five and

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01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:50.159
<v Speaker 1>the Phantom Pain and all that sort of sort of

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01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:54.880
<v Speaker 1>really doubled down on some of Kojuma's worst tendencies, and

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01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:59.399
<v Speaker 1>I think Ryding is maybe the first sign of those

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01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:02.920
<v Speaker 1>cracks starting to show. Yeah, and again I haven't played

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01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the series, but I remember a story going around about

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01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>one of the sequels, was it five, where he decided

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was going to go to the absolute

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01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:16.359
<v Speaker 1>mat for uh, perma death and not just perma death,

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01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>but perma game over, like once you die, once the

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01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:24.560
<v Speaker 1>game is over and you can't play it anymore. Yeah,

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01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:26.359
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, no, I am going I can't

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01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>play it anywhere your lines Yeah, yeah, like the game

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01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:33.359
<v Speaker 1>just like won't play anymore. And he like, no, I

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01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:35.039
<v Speaker 1>am going to the mat for this. This is going

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01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:37.119
<v Speaker 1>to be what this game is. You get one life

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01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:40.319
<v Speaker 1>and if you die, you die. And Kanami was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we will not publish a game like and he's like, no,

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01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I really won't make the game unless you do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were like, we really will not publish the

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01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:51.039
<v Speaker 1>game if you do that, and like I remember, hey,

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01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like that's a phenomenal thought exercise, right, that's a phenomenal

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01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:58.399
<v Speaker 1>thing to think about, Like how would you play, you know,

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01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.199
<v Speaker 1>if you were playing a survival horror type situation, you know,

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01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.079
<v Speaker 1>like if you're once I die, I really really die,

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01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be as careful as I would be

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<v Speaker 1>actually in real life, if dying means dying for real,

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<v Speaker 1>for real. Yeah, and it is. It's interesting. But you

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01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:17.600
<v Speaker 1>can't spend like eighteen months or two years with a

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<v Speaker 1>triple A budget on a game that people are going

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01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:23.039
<v Speaker 1>to spend fifty sixty seventy dollars for and then they

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<v Speaker 1>play for two minutes and die and it's over. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't you can't do that to people. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think what's interesting is that where sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>prohibitive cost of video games sort of interferes with its

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01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:42.079
<v Speaker 1>ability to explore sort of the furthest reachis and what

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<v Speaker 1>can make art interesting because like, you know, exploring human

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01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:52.279
<v Speaker 1>experience like that is compelling, but it's also like people

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01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:54.479
<v Speaker 1>aren't going to pay seventy dollars for that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I play a lot of Magic Arena online

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll do a draft and a draft costs me

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01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>like ten bucks, and then I draft and I go

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01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>ohn three and then the draft is over and I'm like,

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01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:07.479
<v Speaker 1>well that was ten dollars. I'm never getting back. I

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01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:10.079
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine doing that, you know, Like sometimes I'm just

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01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:13.319
<v Speaker 1>not paying attention and I, you know, walk off a

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01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:18.039
<v Speaker 1>cliff or whatever, spacey and so like. But that is interesting,

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01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>It is interesting to put people in that situation, but

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01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>you can't spend two hundred million dollars doing that. And so, like,

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01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:29.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, how do video games experiment outside of the

1440
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:35.600
<v Speaker 1>commercial requirements of the medium That don't necessarily apply to music,

1441
01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:39.119
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily apply to art, don't necessarily apply to writing.

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01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Because artists can paignt to picture right and it doesn't

1443
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.560
<v Speaker 1>cost them anything other than supplies. They can write a

1444
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.239
<v Speaker 1>story and experiment within a story. If it doesn't sell,

1445
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:52.079
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't sell music you can write music and you

1446
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:54.239
<v Speaker 1>can go bust on the street, you know, you get

1447
01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:57.279
<v Speaker 1>book a little bar shows. You know, there's always opportunity

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01:24:57.479 --> 01:25:00.199
<v Speaker 1>for that. But video games you just can't really do that. Yeah,

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01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:01.920
<v Speaker 1>well you can do that. But the commercial last week

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01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:04.039
<v Speaker 1>it's a game jam game. It can't be a tria

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01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:07.560
<v Speaker 1>a release. Yeah. Yes, that's a good point. And that's

1452
01:25:07.720 --> 01:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>you know where you know Kojuma playing doing game jams

1453
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.680
<v Speaker 1>man like that stuff would sing And there's that sort

1454
01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:19.479
<v Speaker 1>of anachronistic relationship between his big ideas and the commercial

1455
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:21.119
<v Speaker 1>needs of video games. And I think it was really

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01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>interesting and this review touches on that, you know, nicely.

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01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Mark McDonald wraps up his Capsure review saying this quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it's infinitely more polished, more playable, more replayable, better looking,

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01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and just playing fun to run around and play than

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01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:41.279
<v Speaker 1>almost anything else out there. I didn't hesitate for one

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01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.159
<v Speaker 1>second when I finished it the first time, starting up

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01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>another game immediately to hunt for the ton of stuff

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01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I knew I missed. Even as I write this, I

1464
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to play it more. And I'm guessing that

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01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:54.319
<v Speaker 1>despite the gaping hole where the cool plot should be,

1466
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you'll feel the same and I think what hurts is

1467
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.680
<v Speaker 1>too was trying to make the plot cool, right, he

1468
01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>was trying to, like any he just kind of went overboard. Ultimately,

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01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what makes his games compelling is that

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01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>he takes these risks. They're weird, they don't always work,

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01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>but few creators have that license to take those risks,

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01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:18.079
<v Speaker 1>even if he can't make you know, a perma death

1473
01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:21.479
<v Speaker 1>game the way you're describing. But and it's all worth

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01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:24.159
<v Speaker 1>it for the you know, flawed, rough brilliance that we

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01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:27.399
<v Speaker 1>get out out of his work. I think games and

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01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:31.720
<v Speaker 1>media and art is better for his presence, even when

1477
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:36.199
<v Speaker 1>he makes bad choices. Yes, absolutely, what do you think

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01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:43.159
<v Speaker 1>Ty did EGM, Mark McDonald, Donathan Dudlick che Chaw? Did

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01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:45.800
<v Speaker 1>they do justice to medal Gear? Solidude? What are we

1480
01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:48.359
<v Speaker 1>giving this review? Yeah? And I want to be clear

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01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>here right, like our access journalism here on this one,

1482
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>where we have a primary source joining the show mid stream,

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01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, not just in the live chat, but joins

1484
01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>us us to actually talk about the actual production process

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01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:05.760
<v Speaker 1>of this and give us the insights and talk about

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01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>how you know, Like that's really cool and like I

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01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>also know everyone involved has grown ups. I know Stewie

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01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>is not going to stop listening to the show or

1489
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>stop being in the discord if I slammed this, So

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01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I just want to be clear our journalistic integrity is

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01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>intact here. I think this is as good a review

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01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>of this game. I wish I'd played the game, because

1493
01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I'd feel better about giving it like boom, this is

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01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>my review because I know exactly how well they did

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01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:36.239
<v Speaker 1>with this game. But to me, this is a ten

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01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:40.800
<v Speaker 1>out of ten. This is you know, we use like

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01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:44.159
<v Speaker 1>even in this magazine that is just absolutely jam packed

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01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>with classics, legends, bangers. There's also a separate review section

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01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:51.640
<v Speaker 1>just for Sega right, tons of great previews as an

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<v Speaker 1>almost two hundred and fifty page issue, and yet they

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01:27:56.079 --> 01:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>dedicated four pages to this. They broke outler and unspoilered sections.

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01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>We have multiple reviewers, so we get three perspectives and

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01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:10.319
<v Speaker 1>dealing with you know, here's all this stuff I think

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01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>they're very clear about. Mark does a great job pointing

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01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>out here the warts and flaws of this game. Here's

1506
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>all the incredible stuff. There's so many, like I said,

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01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>great screenshots and and pullouts and strategy tips and just

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01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>funny bits. We're just doing bits, you know, and I

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01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:27.199
<v Speaker 1>think you get a really great sense of the game,

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01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>really great sense of the highs and lows, really great

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01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:33.199
<v Speaker 1>sense of the reason to play it, and a really

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01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>good warning on Hey, here's what I don't like. I

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01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:39.239
<v Speaker 1>just think this touches all the bases. It looks great,

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01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:43.439
<v Speaker 1>and getting multiple perspectives that all agree, you know, they

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01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:46.079
<v Speaker 1>pretty much all degree and yeah. So yeah, for me,

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01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:51.039
<v Speaker 1>this is a ten, honestly, and I wish I play

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01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the game. I know stuff better. Uh that's ten rug

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01:28:56.600 --> 01:28:59.359
<v Speaker 1>pulls out of ten. Yeah, ten, ten rubber docues out

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01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of ten. Cool, Yeah, I mean agree with everything you say.

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01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I think this is a fabulous example of like early

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01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>aughts games media that was pushing the idea of games

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01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>criticism forward. I love the way that it is willing

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01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>to engage with spoilers in the game at the expense

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01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.039
<v Speaker 1>of necessarily being like a buyer's guide. They have the

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01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:22.800
<v Speaker 1>capsule reviews. That's great, but I want to see more

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01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>criticism of this. I love reviews that allow me to

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01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:31.199
<v Speaker 1>go back and read them after I've done the like

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01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>experience the game, and engage with that review as a

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01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>piece of criticism, which I think this does fabulously recognizing

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01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the game's flaws but also balancing that against its brilliant aspects,

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01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:45.399
<v Speaker 1>which metal Gear Solid two is an extremely brilliant game,

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01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.279
<v Speaker 1>and it's an extremely flawed game, and they've presented that

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01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>here along with gorgeous screenshots like three pages with a

1534
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:56.359
<v Speaker 1>big feature review, good capsule reviews like this is this

1535
01:29:56.520 --> 01:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>is as good as it gets. I think this is

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01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:02.399
<v Speaker 1>a ten as well. Awesome. Yeah, ten ten rubber duckies

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01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:05.199
<v Speaker 1>out of ten. That is our review of e GM's

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01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>review of metal Gear Soliditude. Did we get it right?

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01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Leave our review a review at Apple Podcasts, post it

1540
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:12.279
<v Speaker 1>as a comment on YouTube. We will read the best

1541
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>ones on the air. Hey, go ahead and pass this

1542
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>show around to all your friends like it's third grade

1543
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're on the playground. Shout us out on Blue

1544
01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Sky at funfactor pod dot com and everywhere else at

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01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:25.399
<v Speaker 1>fun Factor Pod Special thanks to Millennium Felt for all

1546
01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:27.479
<v Speaker 1>our amazing original music. Check out his work and its

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01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:30.399
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<v Speaker 1>A lck dot com. Unlike these old magazines, you won't

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01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:35.279
<v Speaker 1>have to wait a whole month for your next installment.

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01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:38.560
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01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.199
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01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:49.800
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1555
01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:52.199
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01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>you will not miss the sign up widget on our homepagage.

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01:30:55.079 --> 01:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>If you do, you and we will have a maximum

1558
01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>score in fun Factor. So, I guess you know what.

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01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Let's start with the cover. I will bring that open, chodh,

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01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:24.159
<v Speaker 1>where is my magazine?

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01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:25.399
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Permissions? Can you guys see that? Yes? There we go. Okay,

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01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>we have a big one and it's got a ton

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01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:41.439
<v Speaker 1>of stuff to do with. I'm sorry, yes, if you're

1565
01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>not paying for ad free episodes. Oh dear, okay, so

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01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:53.159
<v Speaker 1>I've got issue Aiden Moher's recording failed. Aiden dropped. Okay,

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01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Aiden dropped? Okay? Uh yeah, it told me you dropped? Sorry?

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01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Can you hear me? Now? I can hear you. I

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01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>can see you and you can see me. Yes, there's

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01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>a it's still showing a gray box of old you though.

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01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So I don't know if you I might

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01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:18.199
<v Speaker 1>think ghost You is still in if you if you left?

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01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you leave and come back? No, it kicked me out.

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01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.439
<v Speaker 1>I said something else was using my camera. There you go,

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01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>ghost You is gone? Okay, it's this one for the game. Yeah, well,

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01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, hey, let's make some b roll chat like

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01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>what are we up to?

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01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Ah?

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01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Tell last mission? Okay, the Unholy Trinity? Is that what

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01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:45.159
<v Speaker 1>we're looking at? Atari twenty six hundred style horror game

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01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>is a sick concept because every Atari twenty six hundred

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01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>style game is a horror game. If you try and

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01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:59.359
<v Speaker 1>play it, that's cool. Okay. No, I believe Daves' is

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01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:01.359
<v Speaker 1>like it's a great game. Like, No, I believe it's

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01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>a great o. It looks cool. Yeah, it looks looks

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01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:09.239
<v Speaker 1>very cool. Okay, let's let's get back to the A roll.

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01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I kind of lost my train of thought here. Yeah,

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01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I was wondering. Hear like, you look like you were

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01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to look something up. Yeah, okay, Tie is frozen okay,

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01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>uh oh just oh oh boy, Ty just uh today

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01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:35.479
<v Speaker 1>was just not meant to be guys. Ty just messaged

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01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:39.119
<v Speaker 1>me on discord to say his power just went out,

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01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>which is that? Okay, I guess we just weren't meant

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01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:52.039
<v Speaker 1>to record today. Uh Ty says, it's back up. But

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01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>some good news. We're making b roll. Uh See right

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01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>now I'm looking at Chat green Chat. Can't see my

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01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:03.720
<v Speaker 1>eyes look it but bow. But I bought, I splurged.

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01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I had some writy money come in and I bought

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<v Speaker 1>a prompter, and so I'm going to set that up

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01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:10.479
<v Speaker 1>and look at when I read Chat, it's going to

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01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:14.119
<v Speaker 1>be like this. See you guys, whoa, whoa. When I

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01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:17.279
<v Speaker 1>read my script, wow like that, it's going to be

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01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. But we've had a bunch of flooding here

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01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:25.760
<v Speaker 1>in Michigan. There's some some dams we're on. Oh god,

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01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:28.079
<v Speaker 1>what if this damn fails? Watch over the last few

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01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>weeks making national news. Yeah, last night they've said our

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01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:35.399
<v Speaker 1>power company said, hey, yeah, we're going to be like

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01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:38.159
<v Speaker 1>cycling some people off and on as we do stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to try and rebalance some load and whatever to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that like flooded areas are you know, supported or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night this happened. They flicked our power like three

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<v Speaker 1>or four times. And my youngest is running sound for

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01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>their high school is doing Mister Burns, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>post apocalyptic play up a theater troop that re enacts

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<v Speaker 1>Simpsons episodes, right a post electric play, says Drew Bie immediately. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the power also went out at the high school,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're doing this post apocalyptic and then like boom,

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<v Speaker 1>power goes out, right, so amazing, that's amazing. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the same thing just happened. Now they flicked our

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01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:22.119
<v Speaker 1>power like three times, so like down for a few

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01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:24.880
<v Speaker 1>seconds each time, which then made it take that much

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01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>longer for my router to come back up and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, hello, I'm back. Hello, And now we're like

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<v Speaker 1>an hour into recording and have done. Like I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>as you're gone, this is the most cursed recording. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>we've done. It's not meant to be, but we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>power through. Page ninety six has a preview of a

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<v Speaker 1>game called a Cira Psycho Ball. Okay, sorry I was

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<v Speaker 1>then I just want you're still stuck together. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>tweaks I think visible there too. Yeah, oh good lord, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I mean if we want to stick the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>no no, no, no, no, that's okay. We've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to get. Where's a curious cycle ball? Okay, there as promised,

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<v Speaker 1>we always review the best, funniest, kindest, and most entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on a minute, I'm gonna stop sharing. Wow, we

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<v Speaker 1>do this, and then can we get back to just

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<v Speaker 1>the two of us. I'll like edit around all Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fair, because I got just raw video with so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not all right, we've got mail, all right, well

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<v Speaker 1>we I'm sorry that I started to read the Return

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<v Speaker 1>from Break. Yeah, okay, O good Platinum, gold, and silver

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<v Speaker 1>awards are given out. Rah, We're gonna I want to

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<v Speaker 1>read all of that stuff at once, So let's wait

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<v Speaker 1>until Okay, we do the stewy stuff and then I

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<v Speaker 1>can patch them in like it's a codec on the video. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be fun. I also don't this is Algreaty gone

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<v Speaker 1>way way past our recording window, and so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want it to be too much longer. But yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty that Mark McDonald like capsture review stuff is