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of the Alex Joneshew and your guest host Jay Dyer

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jays analysis and I wanted to talk about what's happening

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in the UK because a lot of people think that

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this is government and competence and the failure of the

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leaders of Britain to adequately represent and safeguard the interests

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of their native population. And that's certainly a factor, but

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what most people are missing, which is something I covered

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pretty much all week on Twitter. I had a post

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that went viral covering a book that I mentioned many

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many times. That's the Joan Ratio book, The Milliner Fabian Conspiracy,

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because it's such a crucial text to know and understand

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what's happening in the UK, because the model of what's

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happening in the UK is the same model for what

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they want to do elsewhere, particularly in the West in

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the United States. And so I want to talk about

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Islam today. It's role in this whole system of what

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the global elite are rolling out, the plans that they

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have for Islam, what they want to see it do.

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And even though Islam itself is a chess piece on

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the chessboard if by the global elite, by Brazenski, he

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wrote the book right grand chess board. If we think

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back to the time of the late seventies when there

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was the Soviet Afghanistan conflict, Brezenski had the idea to,

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following the pattern of British intelligence decades before him, utilize

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radical Islam or extreme Islam to fight against the Soviets,

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and the idea was to go into Afghanistan. There's a

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famous clip of him saying to the local afghanis.

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Speaker 3: Population that as God gave you that land, and he

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says that that will impel them in the clip, that

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will impel you to take it back.

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Speaker 2: And of course what's obvious in this clip is that

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for Brazienski, God is a tool. God is a manipulation

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tactic to use with these rather simple minded backwoods Afghanistan

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villagers to get them to fight against the Soviets in

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that conflict, and that ended up working because Brazinski's plan

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was to wear down the Soviets through this conflict and

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to get them exhausted, to get them distracted, and that

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participated in the later decline of the Soviet Union in

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the nineteen eighties and its eventual collapse. So it played

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a key role in furthering the collapse. That's one example

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of the Western elite utilizing Islam as part of their strategy.

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Now that doesn't mean that they believe in Islam, so

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I understand that from their vantage point, a lot of

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these worldviews are tools for conflicts, tools for dialectics, tools

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for geopolitical strategy. In fact, one of the most famous

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neocons many years ago, who studied under the arch neocon

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Samuel P. Huntington, and he wrote the book Flash of

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Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. Huntington said that

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the future conflict would be between Islam and the West

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because the world views are incompatible. In other words, they

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knew a long time ago it's kind of obvious that

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Western enlightenment liberalism is not compatible with Islam. Islam has

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a perspective that sees all of life as underneath a

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kind of theocratic rulership. Of Allah, and so there's no

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areas of life that are quote secular. The inheritance of

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American philosophy, you could say, out of the Enlightenment. The

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American experiment adopted the Enlightenment idea that there would be

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a kind of recognition of some God, a generic deity.

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them were also Deists, many of them were at Freemasons,

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and so the idea was that we're not going to

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attach any specificity to this God's one nation under a

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generic God. And so this idea then allowed for the

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pluralism within the American experiment, and it becomes kind of

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fundamental to America and Americanism. That obviously doesn't fit with

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the totalizing aspect of the way Islam understands God. So

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necessarily these two positions must come into conflict, and that's

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kind of what's going on in that book. But it's

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also engineered and manipulated at a higher level. And when

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the examples of strategists of the elite, the technocrats, who

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have talked about how they could utilize Islam to completely

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rewrite the West and its operating system. This is the

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Jay di Or of jays nelsis Welcome back to the Aulex

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we're talking about the history of Western relationship with Islam

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and the usage of various Islamic groups and sects for

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various purposes. In fact, Islam as a whole, you could

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argue is being used. I want to talk about that

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here in a second. And there's many books that I've

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today the geopolitical role that Islam plays in the mind

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of the technocrats. And I think the first place to

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really understand that is to go back to the history

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of the British Empire. The British Empire thought, for example,

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that if they could control Mecca and have that as

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part of their something under their dominion, then they would

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have a huge amount of influence in the world of Islam.

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a lot of the policies of the British Empire and

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at the operations that they engaged in. If you know

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about Lawrence of Arabia to Lawrence. If you know about

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Kim Philby's dad, Saint John Philby, I was get him

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mixed up with Saint John Hunt. But the Kim Philby's father,

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who was the famous Arabist and intelligence operated for the

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British who went and became essentially a Muslim, and that

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he did that you could debate whether he really believed

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Islam or not, but he was doing it more so

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as an intelligence operative to help to carve up and

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establish the Middle East as we know it today out

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of the British Empire. So the British Empire is really

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the background to how we have nations like Iraq or

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even nations like Israel in terms of the Balfour Declaration.

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understand today's the way the world is carved up today.

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possibility of using very Islamic groups, what emerged was the

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idea to actually kind of coax and utilize more and

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more radical strains of Islam. And one example that would

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be the Muslim Brotherhood, which has a long history of

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being aligned with and funded by British intelligence versus intelligence

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has for many years, many decades, worked with various sectors

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of the Muslim Brotherhood as a close ally to do

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all kinds of operations in other countries and to blame

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it or pin it on some other group. So it

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functions as a kind of a proxy. You could say

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that doesn't mean that there aren't serious Muslims amongst those groups,

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but that is part of the history of the Muslim

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Brotherhood and many books have been written on that. There's

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a great book that covers it called Secret Affairs by

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Mark Curtis. He's a Royal Society researcher, and so we

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Devil's Game. He talks about This book talks about the

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history of Britain and their intelligence services and their quote

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deep state utilizing Islam, and this one more so focuses

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on the US utilizing various Islamic groups for their ends.

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the same patterns, the same conclusions, and the sort of complex, wide,

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wild world of Islam I think is really crucial to understand.

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has seen Islam as something that might be utilized in

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various ways. But as we get into the turn of

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the Fabian society. This is the socialist elites of the

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UK who came out of the Cecil Roads Rothschild, Millner circles,

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who originally wanted a re revamped, re energized British Empire

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for the world. That was Cecil Rhodes's plan, But that

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didn't really work because after World War One and World

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rise of the United States as the dominant world power.

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they weren't going to have a new British empire. But

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the best way to go about this new empire that

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they wanted to control, this new technocratic superstate, would be

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to bring the United States back under its fold and

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utilized it as the engine of the global order. This

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inner group that ran it, kind of like the way

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that the UK was run. In the UK, they had

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roundtable groups. It doesn't literally go back to King Arthur.

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to model governance by wise men, governance by steering groups

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and committees. And so they set up Chatham House in

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the UK. In the United States this becomes the Council

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the National Security Act, and then it becomes the CIA

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in nineteen forty seven. So these entities are examples of

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the shadow government, the deep state. That's who really runs

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the in a kind of public private way, so they're

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but they're also doing a lot of things in their

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private meetings. That's the Chatham House rules, so to speak.

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socialist order for the world. Reform Marxism is just Marxism updated,

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that didn't happen. And so the Marxist socialists in the UK,

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many of them, said, we got to kind of update,

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to come up with some new way. And they had

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the idea to align themselves with progressive minded, very wealthy people.

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that is not interested in an immediate, bloody revolution, but

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using the techniques of social engineering and state craft and

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the long march through the institutions to eventually seize institutional

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create the eventual Marxist order that they want. So it's

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a more pragmatic approach than the idealistic approach of classical Marxists,

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and they ended up being very successful because they ended

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socialist model. He studied under Harold Laski, one of the

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to and change to the times, and so they're much

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and the idea was that with the fall of the

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Soviet Union, maybe they could combine Eastern Sovietism into Western

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capitalism and create this hybrid synthesis system out of this

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dialectic of East versus West. And we just read, for example,

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was talking about this. He was talking about as a

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dialectical conflict of East and West, of capitalism, Sovietism and

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out of this would come this synthesis of some form

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of technocracy which combined both elements of capitalism, elements of Sovietism, communism, socialism, Marxism,

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and this slow approach model they found to be a

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lot better than again, the quick, immediate, bloody revolution of

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classical Marxism or of the Jacobins. That doesn't work very well.

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brings in something way worse. So why not use a longer, slower,

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scientific methodological approach to bring about these ends? Now, a

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lot of people think, for example, that NATO was founded

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as an anti communist institution. It was not. It was

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founded by Fabian socialists who were opposed to Stalinism and

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the NKVD and that form of Sovietism, not socialism. And

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this is why people are always getting confused, because they

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hear all these terms and these words, and well, who

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is this group? Is it?

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Speaker 4: That group?

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Speaker 2: Is that? All of these groups that we listed are

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founded by people in the circles of Rose, Rothschild, Milner,

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Speaker 4: Even the New.

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Speaker 2: Age movement from Madam Bolbatski. Guess what, she was a

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Fabian socialist. So what about Islam. How does the Islam

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factor into this? Well, I was happy to see that.

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You know when a lot of times when you read

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people's analyses of this every one sided. They don't have

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a nuanced approach. They don't really think about how there

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could be multiple things going on here. So a lot

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of times right wingers will think that, oh, it's all

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Islam versus classical liberalism, or it's you know, the terrorists

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that did nine to eleven versus the free Christian West,

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or something like that. I mean, this is just a

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super dumbed down not even close to how it's really

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going on in the real world, how complex it actually is.

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I want to try to demystify it and make it

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a little less complex. One thing that people don't understand

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is what's with this alliance between the left and Islam.

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to be something to this, and it doesn't on the

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face of it make much sense because well, doesn't Islam

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typically oppose a lot of these leftist principles. That's true,

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but there's more going on because it's a geostrategic thing.

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the nineteen twenties thirties forties, guess what they were writing

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and talking about. How to bring into the UK Islam.

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And they wanted this, because this is their own writings.

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They wanted to replace the existing white population with a

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foreign population that had a diametrically opposed worldview on purpose

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like Huntingdon talked about now hunting and doesn't talk about

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this in like a conspiracy way, but he does say

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that these worldviews are in conflict. They're not you can't

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assimilate these two positions, they're mutually exclusive positions. Well, it

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turns out that in the nineteen ten, twenty thirties forties,

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many of the early Fabian socialists wrote many books praising

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Mohammad and Islam. Part of the reason for this, not

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the only reason, but part of the reason for this

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is that many of the British elite had gotten a

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kind of fascination with with Islam and Arabic culture. That's

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because of a lot of the intelligence operations, a lot

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of the connections between Islam and the British intelligence of

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the Muslim Brotherhood, the previous spies that we mentioned and

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so there were many Arabists and many Orientalists, and many

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people who study these cultures, and some of them perhaps

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who even maybe believed it. It's not exactly clear what

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worldview King Charles has, but he has expressed in many

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instances a lot of interest in Sufhism. He was even

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inducted at one point into a Sufi order. Now he

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tends to be more of a perennialist and so he

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seems to kind of change and like all the religion,

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so who knows what he really believes, but he has

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that many many occasions expressed a fascination and interest with

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Sufhism in those other forms of Islam. But that's interesting

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because there's a long history again of the British elite.

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It seems like about half of them were pro for

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example Palestine around the time Balfour Declaration. About the other

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half of them were pro Zionist and wanted to set

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up a zion estate. And we covered that in the

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Quigley book. So it's not a black or white issue.

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I'm just saying that that's part of the of the

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power structure in the UK was very fascinated with him,

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very into Islam. This led for example, British intelligence to

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setting up a puppet Mufti in Jerusalem. The Grand Mufti

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of Jerusalem was a explicitly a British intelligence operative, an asset,

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and that's because they really wanted to have that control

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there as well if they had their asset there. And

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that's why you see him meeting with Hitler. For example,

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there's a famous picture that guy meeting with Hitler. If

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you look up the Grand mood to Jerusalem. By the way,

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he looks just like Ryan Gosling. So I've been making

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that joke for many years. But he, I mean literally

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just like him. So maybe it's like reincarnated. He reincarnated

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as Ryan Gosling or something. I mean, I don't believe reincarnation,

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but that's just a joke. The Fabian socialist to go

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back to these as characters around the circles of Milner

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and Rawchild and all that. They also had a lot

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of associates like Annie Besant bertrand Russell HG.

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Speaker 2: You probably heard of them. We've lectured through all their books.

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Guess what They're all interested in, paviy and socialism. And

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the clearest examples of this are the writings of For

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example HG.

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Speaker 4: Wells.

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Speaker 2: Wells wrote that we would enter into a scientific technocracy

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and this would be basically like Star Trek. We're all

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going to be living in the Federation and flying around

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in space compods or whatever. Of course that's not really

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where we are. But what people don't know is that

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they all wrote about how much they loved Mohammed and Islam.

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Now they don't believe Islam, but they had this fascination

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with this love, this desire for Islam to enter into

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the UK and Europe. Why Islam isn't immediately compatible with

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New Age stuff, Well, they began by liking and appreciating Sufhism.

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The Fabians were in love with Sufism, and it's actually

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a large part of Sufism that helped to inject the

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energy and impetus to the New Age movement. For example,

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Madam Blavatski was a fan of it. Bassant was a

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fan of Islam and Sufhism, and so they brought into

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the UK these professors who were promoting and were kind

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of missionaries for Islam through Sufhism. Originally, because Sufism is

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more of a mystical, neoplatonic Islam and that's more amenable

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to a population that was still nominally Christian like the

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British were. So even though the Church of England is

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kind of a joke, by this time people were again

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much more open to other options. Since the Church of

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England have become more and more and more liberal today

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it's just completely totally gone. But even at this time

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it was becoming liberalized as a were sing, well, maybe

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there's other options, and so they started reading Rumi the

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poet getting into his Sufhism. Theosophy was also very amenable

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to Sufism. You started having professors, lecturers at Oxford, Cambridge,

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et cetera, teaching Islamic courses, teaching Islamic lectures, classes, print

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printing books, and a Sufi institute was set up called

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the ICR, the Institute for So, I forget the exact

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name of it, but it's called the ICR. And instead

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up with this guy who was brought into Oxford basically

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to help Islamic size the UK. But this model was

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no different than the EU as well. So understand that

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the Fabian socials were saying that how could we replace

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Christianity and the indigenous population in Europe to make it

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more amenable to this EU model that they wanted. Yes,

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they wanted an EU. Even in that early day, even

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in the twenties and thirties, these people were discussing how

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to create a European Socialist union. How would we create that?

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Whether we're going to have to get rid of Christianity,

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they say, the existing Christian systems that are there and

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the Christian population, how would we do that. The best

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way to do that, they said, they strategized bring in

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gigantic amounts of Muslims. So Sufism was originally the cultural

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engineering in the nineteen thirties, forties, et cetera, to eventually

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shift over into the more radical quote orthodox branches of Islam.

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They couldn't immediately bring in all of the Salafi Wahabi

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people who were already many of them working for the

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British Empire and for British intelligence. Was brotherhood. They brought

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in the Sufis, and then they warmed people up after

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many decades. Again that is the Fabian slow kile model.

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Then eventually you've got essentially Muslims running the whole place.

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You've got Lundanistan as it's known for many, many years.

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And this is why You've got British intelligence working with

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and protecting many of these quote radicals for many, many decades.

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How are they allowed to just run wild and do

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all this stuff in the UK? The blind shake all

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these people who are obviously you know, the double agents

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and operative as well, because the intelligence services are not

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actually opposed to Islam. Now, people in the quote conspiracy

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world have been saying this for so long, especially after

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the Big nine event, right, and people who didn't believe

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in false flags or this stuff, they derided and talked

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bad about us and said how evil we were and

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all this kind of stuff. Now, but I appreciate Ratchia

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because he understood. He understands that the operators, for example,

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in the seven to seven event, we're working for British intelligence.

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They were people on the role. Karun Rashid Oswat was

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recruited by m I six in and Kosovo when he

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was doing things for the Klaka was another fake Western

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created operation for the Islamic Kosovo liberation. That was Tony

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Blair and Bill Clinton selecting CIA are selecting OKA operatives

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to run those operations there. And one of those characters

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was Harun Rashid Oswat, who's then brought to the UK

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and one of the key figures in the London seven

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seven event. So these I mean, what does that tell you?

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In fact, you can still find the Fox News clip

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where they covered this that Haarun Rashid Ashwat was running

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that operation and then had been recruited by British intelligence.

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So it's not government and competency. This is the people

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can So they're so incompetent they could, don't they know?

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They're so stupid. It's the same lie that allows the

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politicians to do all this stuff in the US as

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well well.

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Speaker 4: But Biden's so stupid, what a boob.

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Speaker 2: They're not stupid. The politicians are stupid. Whoever that British

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kir or whatever his name is, Yeah, he might be

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an idiotic tool. But the people that are running these

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things in the intelligence services, they're not stupid. Now, they're

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not infallible, they're not omnipotent. But they knew all along

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these people were radical Muslims. And by the way, I

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came to the UK years ago for a talk and

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I was accosted and interrogated for forty minutes at the

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airport because I was bringing in books to sell. It

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wasn't thousands of books. It was a couple dozen books

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to sell at a talk. So they can stop me

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and interrogate me for forty minutes and almost not let

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me into the country. But they can't stop and they

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don't know who Harun Rushi to Oswat is who worked

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for British intelligence. Come on, this is ridiculous. The same contradition.

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Contradition came out this week in the New Zealand COVID

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best seller. We sold out of our version. Their version

475
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has a light moodel. It's the exact same thing. You

476
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,440
get it at m full warstore dot com. So check

477
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out m full Wars MD at in full War store

478
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dot com.

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00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: I was just reading on Twitter as somebody who presumably

480
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,839
is from the UK was talking about how there are

481
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now one hundred and forty MPs that are explicitly openly

482
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:18,000
Fabian socialists, including Sodcon, including the present Governor of the

483
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,039
Bank of England. So understand that this ideology is not

484
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:24,319
something that died or went away. It might be obscure,

485
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,519
it might be something that not many people in America

486
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,359
know about, but this ideology is very popular in the

487
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720
UK for sure. In fact, many of the labor politicians

488
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,039
and politicians have been covert in secret Fabian socialists for

489
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a long time. Some of them have been more open openly.

490
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So again, this is not a This is not a

491
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secret society or some sort of secret thing that we're

492
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going to hide in the shadows and nobody knows that

493
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,519
we're Fabian Socialists. This isn't a public organization, an entity

494
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:02,319
that has again a very public symbology that they show

495
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,079
quite often that they have a few symbols. One of

496
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:08,160
them is the wolf in sheep's clothing. This is the

497
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idea that, going back to Beatrice and Sydney Webb and others,

498
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,279
that in order to make Marxism and socialism successful, what

499
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they would have to do is don the cloak the

500
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image of a enlightened progressive of liberalism. Even though classical

501
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,759
Marxism is not liberal. It's known as anti liberal because

502
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it's opposed to liberal economic theory. And if you go

503
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into the history Marxism, you'll learn very clearly that very

504
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,519
quickly that they're not liberal, they're anti liberal. The Fabian

505
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,519
Socialists decided that it was much more successful to don

506
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:46,279
the cloak of being a progressive, of being a liberal,

507
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of being favorable towards capitalism and so forth liberal economic theory,

508
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and so they sort of aligned and melded with it,

509
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,680
and that was one of the key strategies that made

510
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them so successful. In the UK. For example, Tony Blair

511
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,720
was openly a Fabian socialist. His whole policy, his whole

512
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,599
everything he was doing was part of that Fabyan socialist ideology.

513
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So it is imperial reformed Marxist socialism. That's what Fabian

514
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socialism is, and it works together closely with monopoly capitalism explicitly.

515
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That's all you have to understand, and that's how you

516
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,759
understand that that's the world that we're going into. That's

517
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,799
why so many of these politicians who you're constantly fighting

518
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,880
over between them being liberal or conservative, or liberal or conservative,

519
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,640
they're all working with the same basic ideology. I'm not

520
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,440
saying that Trump is a Fabian socialist. He's not. Trump

521
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,519
is just a strait up capitalist, I think in terms

522
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:46,319
of his ideology. But the federal reserve system, Kynesian economics

523
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:52,079
is Fabian socialist economics. John Millen Kynes was into Fabian socialism.

524
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,519
He's one of these characters who helped to set up

525
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:58,000
these institutions like IMF and World Bank, which are part

526
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of this gigantic Fabian socialist structure, which is the governing

527
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,599
ideological system of technocracy that is running the world. In

528
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,400
the West again, League of Nations, United Nations, these are

529
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:19,720
all entities established from this mindset, from this ideology. And

530
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,680
again the intelligence services, especially in the UK, were never

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opposed to these Islamic ideologies, Islamic theology or Islamic radicalism.

532
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That's why it's been fostered, allowed and promoted in the UK.

533
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:41,599
And people have been again so averse to this idea

534
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,240
and thinking that it's a conspiracy theory. But this last

535
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,279
week woke everyone up to this. Now people are realizing, hey,

536
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:51,720
wait a minute. You know, idiot right wingers thinking that

537
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,720
they can make an alliance with Islam, and now the

538
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,000
Muslims are all, you know, fighting and attacking and pointing

539
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,519
out that you're not going to make an alliance with this.

540
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,000
This is a religion of submission and ultimately submission by

541
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:06,000
force as well. It's not a religion where you debate

542
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,160
and everybody's friendly and we come to these conclusions of

543
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,920
the basis of rational discourse and ideology. No, no, no, that's

544
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,720
not how that works. There's some Muslims who will do that,

545
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but ultimately Islam doesn't operate in that way. That's a

546
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Western idea. So it's silly to think that non Western

547
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,559
people are going to operate on the principles of Western

548
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:30,319
liberalism and debate and Enlightenment ideology. They'll only do that

549
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,720
until they gain the upper hand, and then it flips

550
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,799
and then you get this system. Now. The crazy part though,

551
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,440
is that the elites aren't even really into Islam, but

552
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,200
they see Islam as a very useful geopolitical tool. That's

553
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,160
the key here. And I was mentioning earlier the New

554
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,599
Age Movement that it's largely traceable I think to Madame Lebatski,

555
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who is a Babian socialist in the circles of Milner

556
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and all the raw Childs and these people. But she

557
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,240
also and the New Age movement also shares a lot

558
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:11,679
of its origin with Sufism in the UK and the

559
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:17,800
promotion of Sufi Islam in its syncretist kind of neoplatonic principles.

560
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Neoplatonism is one of these systems which allows all of

561
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the world religions to kind of be subsumed under this superstructure,

562
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this perennial type of structure. And also, by the way,

563
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Razia makes a key point which I believe flam Ingdahl

564
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makes in his books, particularly Full Spectrum Dominance, which is

565
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that the nineteen seventy three oil crisis was key because

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that allowed Builderberg and Kissinger to make the decision ya

567
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Opek and all that to establish the Western reliance on

568
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Arab oil. Have you ever wondered why, I mean, we

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don't have to have Arab oil. Doesn't America have gigantic

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untapped oil reserves? Yeah? Sure, but the global elite intentionally

571
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,280
don't want us tapping those things. That's why there's these laws,

572
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and there's these you know, they pass laws against drilling

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on this continent and we have to rely on foreign

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oil because of these deals that were made for big

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globalist institutions. And Ratu has a fascinating chapter on that

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00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,400
where he talks about how this was decided in the

577
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Bilderberg meetings via Kissinger and others. As Ingdall points out,

578
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,440
like other key British institutions, the Fabian founded London School

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00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,280
for Economics, with its closely linked Department of International Relations

580
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set up by the Fabian Lord Haldane and his friend

581
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Lord Rothchild, together with Sir Ernest Kassel the nineteen twenties

582
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,599
and the European Institute have been running research courses, in

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00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:54,519
seminars and lectures to promote the advance thinking on EU

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Muslim Relations. In twenty ten, I Knew pro Islamic outfit

585
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was created with the name of the Center for Middle

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Eastern Studies. It was added to the London School of

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00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,159
Economics Arsenal. The pro Islamic stance of such institutions is

588
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demonstrated by their receipt of vast sums of money from

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Islamic regimes in other countries, and so money had been

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00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,599
coming in. You probably remember that famous banker Peter Sutherland.

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00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,079
Well Peter Sutherland who talked about replacing the existing populations

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of Europe. Famously the banker, he was one of these

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00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,239
key people involved in making sure that funding went to

594
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,880
these entities, to islamis size Europe. So you understand it's

595
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,519
not just outside Islamic powers and forces, it's the traders

596
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,559
within the EU and the UK, particularly in the Rachel Rhodes, Miliner,

597
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,360
Fabian circles and the EU. Because these are the people

598
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that set up the EU. Remember, the same people that

599
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,039
we're talking about set up the EU. It wasn't Hitler

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that set up the EU. He had a plan for

601
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,440
his version of an EU, but the EU is set

602
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:03,000
up by the OS and the CIA. On record, Bill Donovan,

603
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:09,000
Jan Smutz, the European Coal Project. Those are all OSS projects.

604
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,400
They're not projects by Hitler. So it's not true that

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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,519
Hitler set up to the EU. It's verifiable on record

606
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,360
that Donovan and the CIA and OSS established the EU

607
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,400
and it was decided on at the Bilderberg meetings. Daniel

608
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,440
Aslin has in his book the declassified old documents from

609
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,239
those old Bilderberg meetings about setting up the EU, and

610
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,320
that was they weren't doing that with Hitler. Okay. Anyway,

611
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:38,800
Roger goes on to talk about the decision to make

612
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the West dependent on Arab oil as part of this

613
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,039
global superstructure that they wanted to set up the same

614
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:52,960
idea with making American manufacturing not local but dependent on

615
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,599
Chinese goods, that same strategies. Do you understand that the

616
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d industrialization and sending all of that to other countries

617
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is on purpose. It's not just because they want to

618
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:08,280
have a tax break, right Like if you listen to

619
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,719
some about like Peter Shiff, it's well, companies just go

620
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over to other countries because of high taxes. Yeah, but

621
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they do that on purpose to de industrialize the West,

622
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because these people said, we want to de industrialize the West,

623
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:24,760
and the nineteen seventy three Carter era oil crisis was engineer.

624
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That's the thing, because we don't have to be reliant

625
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,920
on four and on. But now what do we have, Well,

626
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:38,960
decades later, after nine to eleven, and after all of this,

627
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you have a Fabian socialist Islamic Ish mayor Sadiq Khan.

628
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,360
It was a it was a member of the Fabian Society,

629
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,199
shadow minister for London at least when this book was written.

630
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Many many other, as we said, politicians who as their

631
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explicit party stated goal is as for example, Tony Blair,

632
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Tony Blurr Blair praised the Qur'an and Islamic imperialism as

633
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,440
a progressive move in two thousand and six. So this

634
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,639
is like a couple of years after nine to eleven,

635
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,239
what a year before seven seven and Tony Tony Blair

636
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,199
saying we need more Islam. Wait a minute, according to

637
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,559
the official narrative of nine to eleven, it's right radical

638
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:32,960
Saudis and you know Osama bin Laden that are waging this,

639
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:37,480
you know, covert war through terror on the West. And

640
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,280
so what is Tony Blair and everybody all these all

641
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:48,400
these politicians answered, we need more Islam. But they're not

642
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:53,960
stupid people who are organizing the Fabian methodology and all

643
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
this that they're not dumb. They're not. They're the people

644
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,960
that set up all the institutions that we know today,

645
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,320
including NATO. So why would we think and why do

646
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,599
we keep defaulting to thinking that everybody who's running things

647
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:09,119
is just stupid incompetent. That is a cloak that allows

648
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:12,599
them to keep getting away with more until you recognize

649
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,480
and understand that the world is not run by total idiots.

650
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But whether there is an Atlantis's power block, and I'm

651
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,480
not saying that they're infallible or omnipotent, they do have

652
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,880
weaknesses and they can fail at this. Many of the

653
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,639
things that they push fail. Many of the things that

654
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:37,039
they push fall apart and don't work. And we have

655
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,719
to understand, for example that to give you some good news,

656
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,440
if you go back to Jaquette Lee's books, if you

657
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,840
remember Jacquette to Lee said that when we roll out

658
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this technocratic order, there will be massive reaction, and he

659
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,519
even gives the decades when he thinks that will happen.

660
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He says between twenty twenty and twenty forty. He says

661
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:58,559
there will be a large up uprising against this, and

662
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,559
he says that's the one thing we have to worry about.

663
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,440
And guess what he says is the main concern. He says,

664
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Christian theocracy in the West and in America will make

665
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a resurgence, and we have to be concerned with that

666
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,719
as the thing that might foil the rollout of the

667
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technocratic global order. He explicitly says that in his two

668
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,440
thousand and six Brief History of the Future. Jacquetteli's not

669
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,320
a nobody. He's the kissing your France. We just covered

670
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,960
his nineteen ninety book a few weeks ago where he

671
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,920
said in nineteen ninety, I'm being put as the head

672
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of this new EU bank. Right the official rollout of

673
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,320
the EU was right around that time. They had planned

674
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the EU fifty seventy years earlier, and because of the

675
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,599
fall of the Wall, Jacquettelis says, I'm being placed as

676
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:48,400
the head of this big bank here to help integrate

677
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the former Soviet bloc countries into the EU and to

678
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,280
get them under IMF debt and control. See that's how

679
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,639
it works, that's the Keynesian model. So it's not capitalism

680
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:06,280
versus communism. That's old stuff. It's populism and local governance

681
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:13,239
and the rights of individuals and people versus collectivism and

682
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:19,559
baby and socialism which is aligned with corporatism. And we

683
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:23,519
still have people running around acting like it's the state

684
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versus libertarianism. I mean, this is just such a low tier, childish,

685
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:35,760
you know, non nuanced, non reality based philosophy or picture

686
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,159
of what's going on. I mean, if it's libertarianism versus

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00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,440
the state, then why were all the corporations and the

688
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,840
Fortune five hundred, Fortune one hundred pushing all the koof stuff,

689
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,400
all the skittle stuff, all the tRNS stuff. That's not

690
00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:01,440
state versus corporations. It's a gigantic, megalithic corporate prime conglomeration

691
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:05,480
including all the biggest banks and all of the Fortune

692
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,440
one hundred and Fortune five hundred coupan that it's all

693
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,079
They're all bad. That's the point. And so the way

694
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,599
to break out of this system is to understand that

695
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:15,840
none of these systems are good. None of these systems

696
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:19,039
are going to save anybody. You're not going to fix

697
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:24,960
it by pushing more classical liberalism. The philosophy of four

698
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,400
hundred years ago, which is totally not even relevant in

699
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,119
the modern world. You're only going to fix it with

700
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,800
a return to what the global elite themselves say is

701
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:44,079
the danger real grounded theism, Christian theism. What did HG.

702
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:49,360
Wells and Bertrand Russell and say, Alice Bailey, another one

703
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,079
of the Fabian socialists witches in the circles of these

704
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,599
people who helped found the New Age movement, whose philosophy

705
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,000
was adopted by the United Nations, what did you say

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would have.

707
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Speaker 4: To be.

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Speaker 2: Done? Does anybody recall she has a ten point plan

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to do what to destroy Christianity? Why a ten point

710
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plan to destroy Christianity? She says, we would have to

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destroy Christianity to bring in the New Age and the

712
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socialist world government, the capitalist socialist world government. Fast forward

713
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almost one hundred years, issh and what does Jacque Attalis say?

714
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Our main concern is a resurgent authentic Christianity in America

715
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and in the West. That would be the stumbling block

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to rolling out the sky net Matrix Gollumn project. He

717
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calls it a gollumn. Linking everyone's brains into a supercomputer

718
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is called a gollumn, which comes out of the medieval

719
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cabalist mythology the Gollumn. By the way, the famous father

720
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of cybernetics, Norbert Wiener, I was reading a bunch of

721
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his stuff this last week. Well, guess what if you

722
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rea his book on cybernetics, Within the first twenty pages,

723
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he says that, yes, I worked with the Rockefeller Foundation,

724
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mi T, the Macy Foundation, Gregory Bateson, and a host of

725
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other nefarious characters who just happen to be all the

726
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same characters that are part of mk Ultra. So this,

727
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even Norbert Wiener's own book on cybernetics vindicates that it

728
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comes out of the mkulture projects. He doesn't mention Mkultra.

729
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He doesn't have to, because if you've read the other

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books on Mkultra, you know that all of those entities

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are directly connected with and funding the various mk ultra projects.

732
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And both of the classic books on mk Ultra, John

733
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Marx's book, Walter Bowart's book, both from the late seventies,

734
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in their books with chapters about how mkultra transitioned into

735
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cybernetics and what is what's the point of all that? Well,

736
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guess what. Norbert Weener wrote another book called God and

737
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the gollumn, and the gollumn is what he's talking about

738
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with cybernetics. So in Jewish medieval philosophy and Kabbalism, the

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idea of a being with no soul that is then

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insold or controlled by the magician and created from a

741
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husk the Klei fought, that's what a gollumn is, Joe Elim.

742
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And so from that vantage point, they would see the

743
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masses as a gigantic gollumn linked into the global brain.

744
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That's not my words, that's jacott to Lee's words. Jacquottali

745
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says that when everybody's linked into the global brain, it's

746
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the gollum. It's what he says in his both Brief

747
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Is for the Future. Now, I don't think it's only

748
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,800
Jewish minded individuals or cobblists or whoever. There's all kinds

749
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of individuals involved in pushing this ideology in this project.

750
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There are politicians, there's CEOs, there's people who are not

751
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partisan too, necessarily Jewish mystics, but they don't have to

752
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be because they're all part of the same agenda, which

753
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is to roll out this technocratic control system which always

754
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has the same models depopulation, one world currency, one world

755
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government tracking, tracing and control for all means and medium

756
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of exchange, shutting off your wallet, you know, the social

757
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credit system. All of that is part of this super

758
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this whole thing. But Islam plays a key role in

759
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this which we can't overlook or ignore, which is to

760
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be a kind of battering ram for the global elite

761
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technocrats to bring them into the poppy, to the areas

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where they can be used. So in the case of Europe,

763
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that was the most logical conclusion for the technocrats. What

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other religion and historic antithesis to Europe and it's pseudo

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Christian history at least in the last thousand years, what

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other option would you do? There's no other options. You're

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going to bring in Chinese, you know, communism, You're going

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to import Islam on a mass scale. That's the only

769
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thing that makes any sense. And Peter Sutherland, these other

770
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famous banking elites said that that's exactly what they were doing.

771
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So they openly said this. I remember that when it

772
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came out on mainstream news that Peter Sutherland was saying,

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we got to bring in more Muslims to destroy the

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existing European state, to create a more fundamentally homogeneous EU.

775
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,280
General Wesley Clark. Everybody quotes them about the Seven Nation Plan. Well,

776
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,320
guess what. He also had other quotes because he was

777
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at NATO where he said that part of the philosophan

778
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strategy of NATO is to destroy Europe to make it

779
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a EU. He knew this, he admitted it. You're not

780
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,840
supposed to talk about the Calergy Plan, but I have

781
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Colergy's book. He talks about creating a homogeneous Europe, a

782
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new European socialist state, and quickly says that the British

783
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royal society elite adopted the Count's plan. Not a conspiracy theory.

784
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Speaker 4: He wrote it.

785
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Speaker 2: He wrote a book about it. So remember you're not

786
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the books that they write. They call that conspiracy even

787
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though it's pubblic books. And it's not a conspiracy theory

788
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because it's not a theory, it's an actual plan that's

789
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rolled out in the books. They're right about it anyway.

790
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So Islam also plays another role too, though in being

791
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utilized by Western intelligence, going all the way back to

792
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British intelligence at the turn of the last century, utilizing

793
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a lot of tribal warfare, sparking tribal warfare. This is

794
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just imperial geopolitics, where you keep the tribes warring with

795
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each other to control those tribes. This goes back to

796
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Caesar his diaries and how he would control the Germanic

797
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tribes and other tribes, the British tribes that were the barbarians.

798
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He would keep them fighting with each other so that

799
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he could manage them. The same principle was going on

800
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with the British Empire. And I'm not saying that the

801
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British Empire started all the tribal conflicts. There's always been

802
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t conflicts in the Middle East. I'm well aware of that,

803
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But I'm just saying that imperial geopolitics typically plays on

804
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this ability to play up and exacerbate the existing local tensions.

805
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That's exactly the strategy that Brezenski adopted, again based on

806
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earlier British intelligence models for how they would utilize radical

807
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Islam in the late nineteen seventies and throughout the eighties.

808
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In fact, go look up the muja Hadeen at the

809
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White House. I mean, Ronald Reagan has the freedom fighters,

810
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the Musjahadeen, which would become al Qaeda eventually in a

811
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few decades in the White House. Actually, in one decade.

812
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So from nineteen eighties, right, al Qaeda is the freedom

813
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fighting heroes meeting with Ronald Reagan in the White House.

814
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Ten years later, al Qaeda is behind, you know, the

815
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World Trades Enter bombing, and there's this Osama bin Laden figure,

816
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and you know, he's we got to watch out for him,

817
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and oh he happens to pop up again nine to eleven.

818
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We had no idea what was going on, even though

819
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there was already a nineteen ninety three Provocateurd and Mads

820
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thelam bombing of the World Trade Center. Hundealeza Rice says,

821
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we had no idea that anybody would bomb these things.

822
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Are try tack to you, this is no idea. We

823
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never heard of this, even though they were running drills

824
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,440
like the Vision like Guardian that very day. So it's

825
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,239
all a bunch of lies because in reality, the system,

826
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especially in the security deep state, they know all this stuff,

827
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at least the ones at the Brazenski Kissinger level, right.

828
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People who are at lower level, they don't know all

829
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this stuff. The lower level people are well indoctrinated through

830
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the education system to believe a lot of the bull crap. Right,

831
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They believe in the dialectic. They believe that this and

832
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that they don't understand black ops. They don't understand this

833
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kind of stuff until you get, I think, up in

834
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this higher level of people who are invited to things

835
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like the steering group committees. Then you get people who

836
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are a little more familiar with how this stuff really works.

837
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People who understand, you know, what the Triladal Commission is,

838
00:51:57,079 --> 00:51:59,679
and who understand the technocracy that they want to bring

839
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,840
in again. Islam plays a key role in being a

840
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,360
battering ram one hundred years ago. It played a key

841
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role through sufism of being a kind of mystical door

842
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,719
to open the way for Europe and the UK to

843
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,559
be ISLAMI sized that then allowed for the election through

844
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:20,280
guilt manipulation, through a lot of tactics, a lot of propagation,

845
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a lot of propaganda the media, a lot of foreign

846
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:27,440
entities using NGOs to truck in and bote in all

847
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these people. I went to Italy a few months ago,

848
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:34,079
and several Italian cities had no Italians. In fact, we

849
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,199
went to Genoa. I didn't see any salami, by the way,

850
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,000
but in Genoa it was like I was in Africa. Literally,

851
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,800
it was like another there were there were no Italians

852
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,880
in Genoa. Pretty crazy, and the same thing has happened

853
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,599
to a lot of the Italian islands, which are not

854
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:51,599
Italian islands anymore now they're African islands. And it's by design.

855
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In fact, you go read the AP articles saying that

856
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there are we know who the foundations and the thing

857
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tanks and the NGOs are that are doing this. It's

858
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all public, so it just requires a little more sophisticated

859
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Speaker 2: Now Info Wars tells you the truth about what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Next, visit info wars dot com, Forward slash show.

948
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Speaker 2: And share the link today. Thank you. I its glad

949
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to be here. Yeah, it seems like they have a

950
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handful of cards that they can play at any moment,

951
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and maybe they're hyping up. It seems like every few

952
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days one of those cards is talked about and hyped

953
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up in the media. So is it monkey pop, and

954
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then a couple of days later we'll hear about economic woes.

955
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There's going to be an economic collapse. Then a few

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days later we'll hear about the possibility of war, and

957
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the war in Ukraine getting ramped up, war in the

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Middle East. It just keeps compounding, and I think any

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one of these could be rolled out to forestall to delay,

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to destroy the possibility of an election. Seems like they're

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really pushing the open borders and internal strife within countries

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as well. We've seen that with especially the UK with

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Islam in the last couple of weeks, rioting and so forth,

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attacking native citizens. I want to talk about that in

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part because, as you guys know, the last Fourth Hour

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that I did a couple of weeks ago, we covered

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the whole geopolitical element of Islam and how it's being used.

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And as I traveled across the country a few weeks ago,

969
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I went to Las Vegas to do an event, and

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I noticed mosques that have popped up in places that

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I never would have expected, in fact, through Indian reservations,

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and there's now mosques that have been built on Indian reservations.

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I don't think driving through America across the country maybe

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four or five times in the last ten years. I've

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never seen mosques popping up. So even though we're not

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at the stage yet of where the UK is, the

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UK is about twenty or thirty years ahead of US.

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If we continue down this route, we will see more

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and more Muslim centers Islamic growth in the US. And

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so today I have.

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Speaker 5: Because they don't even need to bring them in if

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they can convert them.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a push, right, there's a push online to

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try to utilize certain figures and people in the media

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to convert the West to Islam. At the same time

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as there's a geopolitical push to move Islam into the

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Europe and into into Europe and in the UK.

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Speaker 5: As you said, Islam is the mercenary force of the globalists.

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Speaker 2: It's like the front army that they're using in these

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in particularly Europe, in the UK. And they've even admitted it, right,

991
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So I've gone through multiple writings of the elite HG. Wells,

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So they would use it. Merchant Russell said Islam was great,

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let's use it to change Europe and they said specifically

994
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it's really the only tool that they have in the

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Arsenal geographics, demographics wise, to change the whole of Europe

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and whether it's clergy. His own books say to change

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the demographics of Europe to make it a socialist federation.

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They're going to do the same thing in North America

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now right now it's a lot of Latin South American

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illegal immigrants. But they're also going to be pushing Islam

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in the US as well. And so that's why I

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wanted to bring on an expert on Islam, a friend

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of mine, Sam Chimun. In fact, we just did a

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huge debate. I ended up being a lot bigger than

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I expected. We were on Fresh and Fit, and we

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debated two of the top Muslims. It's already had if

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you total up the clips and everything, multiple millions of

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views in the last couple of days. And so my

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guest is Sam Chamun, and I've known Sam for several

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years now. He is an expert in Islam. He's all

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over YouTube, all over TikTok. He's kind of blown up

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in the last year with a lot of these debates,

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and so I wanted to bring on an Islamic expert

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in terms of the history and the religious views, not

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just the geopolitical stuff. You want to know the geopolitical stuff.

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I covered that in the last fourth hour Bellox shows

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that I host to where we talked about the Fabian Socialists. Again,

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I've written in many of their texts, even General Wesley Clark.

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So that is that Europe would have to be destroyed

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in terms of its nation states and integrated into a

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giant melting pot to create the EU. Right now, the

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EU was planned a long time ago, as we know,

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it was a Fabian Socialist plan. But to do demographic warfare,

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you got to have the right group, the right population.

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So again, they're not going to pump in millions of

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Muslims into the US, although there are millions of Muslims

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in the US. I think there's something like six or

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seven already. But what they've done in Europe is a

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specific strategy, of specific technique. In fact, I mentioned that

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I'd gone to Italy a few months ago. I'd never been,

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was my first trip, and there were several talents. Several

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cities that you go to there's no Italians. Quite literally,

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Genoa had no Italians at least we were out walking

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through the whole city. I never saw any I saw

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a lot of Muslims, but I didn't see any native Italians.

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Maybe a couple own it, running the shops or something,

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but not out on the streets. A couple other cities,

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it was all immigrants from Africa, illegal immigrants from Africa,

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and many of whom, most of whom are Muslims and

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sort of just do whatever they want. So I don't

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know if we have Sam yet. As Sam on Sam,

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how you doing? Welcome to the fourth hour' here with me.

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I want to ask you, first of all, before we

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get into the history and the theology the religion of Islam,

1045
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:46,760
people should go watch our debate that we did, because

1046
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,800
it ended up being a lot bigger than I expected.

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How did you feel about that debate going into it

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01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:53,239
and then coming out of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, glorif are God and save the Lord Jesus Christ.

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I praise God for that opportunity. To be honest, I

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01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:02,880
didn't like the format, the way they set up the time,

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but be that as admit, then want to complain. So

1053
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they didn't think that we're trying to make excuses to

1054
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,119
Ron because it backfired against them. I thought, my opinion,

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they got decimated. Of course I'm biased, but it was

1056
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a landslide decimation because we focus primarily in their own sources,

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and if someone watches the debate, they will see they

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didn't really answer any of our objections, and we tried

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to our best ability to answer their objections with the

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01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:33,840
stipulated time. So overall I was pleased, though the way

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01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,000
it was structured was structured in their favor, and they

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still lost the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for our audience here, most people in

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the West, and you know, in the last five or

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six years, I've really been trying to study and learn

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about Islam. I'm still far from being an expert. You

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know way more than I do. So I want to

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get your take on this. What are a couple of

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things that people need to know about Islam? Most Christians

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01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,760
in America evangelicals are very we don't know much about Islam.

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It's so foreign to us. It's making its encroachments in

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the UK and in the EU by far way ahead

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of where we are. What do we need to understand

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about this religion in terms of let's start with maybe

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the prophet Muhammad himself or so called prophet. What are

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01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,440
the things that people need to know, because we're often told, well,

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he's just another prophet, kind of like Moses or Isaiah,

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and he's you know, he's a preacher of against idolatry

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and he preaches Monotheism. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, when we talk about so called prophet Muhammad, most

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Christians and Jews may not be aware that, according to

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Islamic tradition, he is the consummation, the fulfillment all the

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Judeo Christian tradition. That's the assertion. So if anyone reads

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a Koran and also read what is called the sun

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01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:54,280
of Mohammad, because Christians must keep in mind that just

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like Christian he's not a monolith. Islam's not a monolith.

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So there are groups within Islam, but the largest group,

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about eighty five percent if not more, are identified as

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Sunni Muslims, so they're the dominant group. They follow what's

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called the Koran, and the Son of the Sunna is

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01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,639
these traditions attributed to Muhammad. So Asunni looks to not

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just the Koran, but to Muhammad's interpretation of the Koran

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01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,199
is implementation. Dows And notes, now in line of that

1094
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:23,639
Muhammad claimed to have followed in the line of the

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01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,519
Judeo Christian prophets, and he claims that the nearest prophet

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to him among all the prophets was Jesus, so that

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according to his claim, they're all Muslims. Because the term

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Islam means submission and surrendered, so the theological context it

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01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,239
means to surrender to the one True God. So Islam

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01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,119
claims that Allah of the Koran is the God of Abram,

1101
01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:45,920
Isaac and Jacob, because Allah is simply, according to them,

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the Arabic term you would use for the God of Abraham,

1103
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:52,119
Isaac and Jacob, and the God revealed in Jesus. So

1104
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:55,880
according to Islam, Islam is the religion practiced by Adam,

1105
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:59,400
by Abram, Isaac and Jacob, by Moses, and Jesus and

1106
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,760
his followers. In point of fact, if you go to

1107
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,599
chapter three, verse fifty two of the kron and chapter five,

1108
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verse one hundred eleven, the Kuran has Jesus's own follower

1109
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,079
saying to Jesus, bear witness, we are Muslims. So he

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01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:16,320
is the consummation, the fulfillment of the religion passed on

1111
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,119
by the prophets, including Jesus, and he is the seal

1112
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:22,920
of the prophets. So now with the coming. Muhammad profited ends,

1113
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,199
messengership ends, and everyone is expected to submit to him.

1114
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,719
So this is the agenda of Islam to bring the

1115
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,920
entire world under the fold of Islam, so that if

1116
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,519
you're a Jew or a Christian and you hear about Muhammad,

1117
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,000
you must accept Muhammad because they claim he's prophesied in

1118
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:41,119
our Bible, even though they'll tell you our Bible's crop.

1119
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:44,719
But if you refuse to accept Muhammad, then you're allowed

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to pay what is called jiza, so you can live

1121
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:51,000
under the hegemony of Islam under second or third rate conditions,

1122
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and if you don't pay, they slaughter you. So this

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is basically who Muhammad is, the seal of the prophets,

1124
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and everyone must follow him because he's the last and

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universal messenger.

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Speaker 2: Now, you did a great talk that actually fit into

1127
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what I talked about here in the fourth hour last week,

1128
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which was about the three or four stages of Islamic

1129
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jahad or invasion or a takeover. Could you maybe summarize

1130
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:16,760
that for the next few minutes hear your talk there,

1131
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,440
because if fits very well with what I talked about

1132
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:19,280
last week.

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Speaker 1: Exactly as you indicated, Islam is also geopolitical. It's not

1134
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:29,400
just religion. It's a socio geopolitical economic system. It governs

1135
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all of life. And Muhammad believed that his God sent

1136
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,400
him to conquer the world. In fact, there are traditions

1137
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,239
attributed to Muhammad where he says the entire earth belongs

1138
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:43,239
to a lah and his messenger, messenger being Muhammad. Now

1139
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:47,519
for the non Muslims to understand these three stages, some

1140
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:50,079
like the divide them into four, you have to study

1141
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:53,679
the life of Muhammad. According to the Islami tradition, Muhammad

1142
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:57,800
was born in Mecca, which is in Arabia around five

1143
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,280
seventy eighty. Claimed to be a prophet six tenth, but

1144
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he was outnumbered. Mecca was in the control of the unbelievers.

1145
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They had the manpower, they had the financial prowess, so

1146
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he was a small group, him and his few followers.

1147
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During that stage stage one, he preached coexistence. He preached

1148
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,000
to your religion, to me my religion, because he knew

1149
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,520
he couldn't mount an offensive because they would squash him. Then,

1150
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after thirteen years in Mecca, he migrated to the north

1151
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,600
of Mecca called Medina. Now it was actually called Yathrip

1152
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,039
and it was a flourishing Jewish community. According to the

1153
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:36,920
Muslim sources, eventually he eradicated the Jewish presence and the

1154
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,319
Muslims took over completely. Now when he gets to Medina

1155
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:42,760
thirteen years later, he's the head of state. He now

1156
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,159
has enough manpower to now implement stage two, which is

1157
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defensive jihad. You threaten our existence, you attack us, we

1158
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,600
have right to attack you. Then the last two years

1159
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,960
of his life he was able to conquer Mecca, bring

1160
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the entire array, and put Insult under his control. Then

1161
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he implemented stage three. Now go spread Islam militarily offensive job.

1162
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So depending on the situation and circumstances where Muslims find themselves,

1163
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you'll find one of these stages being implemented right now

1164
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before your eyes. So in UK it's stage two, building

1165
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,840
up to stage three. In America it's stage one, and

1166
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Muslim dominated areas it's stage three because they own pretty

1167
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much the government and the resources and they subjugate non Muslims.

1168
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. Now this probably relates as

1169
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well to the idea of the union with the Left.

1170
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Could you speak to that just for a minute, because

1171
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that was something I covered as well last week, was

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how come Islam which seems, on the surface at least,

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to be totally anti liberalism, progressivism, LGBT, all that stuff.

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How is it that they make this alliance with the liberals?

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Why would that? Why would liberals want an alliance with Islam?

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Doesn't make any sense on the surface.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know this better than I. Anyone who's an

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enemy of my enemy is my friend. So Islam will

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use any agenda, and the liberals will use any agenda

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for the time being to accomplish their purposes. So right

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now they are what we call bed buddies. But when

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one of them dominates, the other one will be vanquished.

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So it serves their agenda and purpose. So hey, if

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I can use liberal politics to infiltrate the West and

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bring in a strong Muslims until we outnumber them, so

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be it. So in the meantime, as Muslims live in

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the West, they will not straight up and tell you

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what their agenda is. When they take control of an area,

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there'll be no homosexuality, there'll be no lesbianism, there'll be

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no transgenderism, because under Islamic rule, these individuals are to

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be killed, and sometimes in the most heinous manners. Because

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you'll find videos where in Muslim countries, homosexuals are actually

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thrown off of buildings, which is their form of punishment.

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So why are they working together because one group is

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using the other group for the time being until they

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have enough ability to then implement and impose their agenda,

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and then they're going to turn against each other's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that's a great segue to the next question,

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which is we hear a lot of people online. I

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hear sneakos saying this all the time. Oh, Christians and

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Muslims should unite together because like Sam just said, right,

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if there's an if there's a rejection of sexual degeneracy,

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deviancy and all of this, wouldn't we be on the

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same page to fight evil? What would you say to

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people who say that Christians and Muslims should unite together

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to quote fight evil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, only someone who's naive about the Islamic agenda would

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unite with Muslims in order to bring about so called

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Judeo Christio Islamic tradition because Muslims want to claim part

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of the Judeo Christian airship. However, just look at history

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and what Muslims have done to Christians. When Muslims are

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the majority. Once the Muslim are the majority, Christians are

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not allowed to build new churches or rebuild old ones,

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or publish crosses, or come out publicly with their religious literature,

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or convert Muslims to Christianity. On the other hand, Muslims

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can convert Christians to Islam. Muslim men can marry Christian women,

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but that right is not extended to us. So yes,

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now that they're in the minority, they will appeal to

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Jewish Christian sentiments and seek solidarity because it helps their

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purpose for now. But once they have the upper hand,

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they will subjugate and enslave anyone to the whole of Islam.

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So don't you believe it? That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this reminds me too of what I was doing

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an open forum debate the other day, and I had

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a guy call in defending Islam, and he said, well,

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you're all lying over here on this side, because when

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I read in the Quran, there's multiple places where it

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says that Christians are viewed as worshippers of Allah as well,

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there are people of the book and that they're pro Christian,

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they're not anti Christian, they love and allow all of

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these things that are monotheistic within a Muslim society. But

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that's not actually the case, because the Hadis and other

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tax the traditions actually specify more than what's even in

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the Quran. And I would argue that the Chrome just

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simply contradicts itself. On one place that will say, yeah,

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you got to respect the people of the book. But

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then there's another place that says, but if they don't

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agree to this Islamic doctrine, they can be put to death.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's part of the three stages, and this

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needs to be elaborated. But I see we're coming on

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to the break, so I'll try to be brief, maybe

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pick it up after the break. Depending on which period

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of Muhammad's life the Chrome was composed, the message will change.

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So when he's a minority in Mecca, he will talk

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about commonality with Jews and Christians. Then when he goes

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to Medina, he still will try to reach out to

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the Jews and Christians with the hopes that they'll embrace them.

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But when he sees the Jews and Christians don't buy it,

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then he turns against them, calls them idollar, calls them

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the worst of creatures that need to be subjected and

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humiliated because this is all part of this political scheme.

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Try to win them and if they don't believe in Muhammad,

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then when you have deprehend turn against them.

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Speaker 2: So this is the ox jugle. Don't going where We will

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be right back after this break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the fourth hour of the Alex johnstrommerguestos

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here today with my guest Sam Shamun. His channel is

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a Shimmunion. And of course we just did a pretty

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big debate a couple of nights ago over on the

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Fresh and Fit channel Fresh and Fit podcast, where we

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had a three hour discussion with a couple of the

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more prominent Muslim debaters. And before we went to the break,

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we're just discussing the history of Islam, the history of

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the strategies of geopolitical takeover that Islam uses based actually

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on the life and the progression of Muhammad himself into

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becoming what he thought was a prophet. Before we go

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in to maybe some of the religious beliefs and contradictions themselves,

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let's maybe put an end on the topic of the

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history by this issue of Jahad, because a lot of

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times people will say, well, really, Islam is a peaceful religion,

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it doesn't actually teach physical jahad. Sam, would you like

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to comment on that, because I hear this all the time,

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especially from the left right. They have this image of

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Islam as a religion of peace. Aren't there different senses

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of jahad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it is true, there's different senses of jihad

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because jihad means struggle or to strive. However, both the

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kron and the traditions that chiviti Muhammad and Islamic history

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and Muslims won't deny this. They'll just try to pass

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it off as defensive jihad. Jihad is also military. It's physical,

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It includes an army, it includes battles, it includes physical

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attack and onslaught. So when they say that jihad is

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merely spiritual, they're pretty much sticking their head into sand.

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They're ignoring the very context of the chron itself, and

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they're ignoring also traditionstributed Muhammad and the expeditions he carried out.

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There are even books about the military campaigns of Muhammad

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and moreover, Islamic history. One of the last chapters of

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not the last chapters of the Koran composed according to

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Islamic chronology, and this is something all serious students of

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Islam must know. The Churn is divided into two periods,

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the Mecan period where Muhammad was a minority, and the

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Medeanan period when he's the majority. You'll see the tone

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changes from the Meccan to Medeanan period. Mecan period to

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you your religion, to me my religion. Medean and parent period.

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They harassed you. Now you can fight back and now

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spread Islam and subjugate the world. This chapter, chapter nine,

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if it's not the last chapter, it's one of the

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last chapters composed all of the other chapters of the Koran,

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begins with the formula in the name of the Law,

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the most Merciful, the most beneficent. This is the only

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chapter that doesn't begin without formula. Because the Muslim commentators

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say this chapter doesn't offer any mercy, it doesn't offer

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a compassion. It is a warning to the idolators Jews

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and Christians, submit or else or else. And if anyone

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reads chapter nine, verses twenty eight to thirty three, just

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that small section there, Muhammad is inciting the Jihadis to

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fight against Jews and Christians, not because the Jews and

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Christians attack them. Go read it. It's right there contextually,

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go read the commentaries. It's because of their belief. The

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grounds of subjugating is because Mohammed accuses the Jews of

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believing Ezra is the son of a Lah blasphemy according

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to Islam, taking their rabbis as lords. Besides a Lah

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blasphem according to Slam. Christians believe that Jesus, son of

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God blasphemy according to Islam, and they take their monks

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as lords, and for that reason they need to be attacked,

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become Muslim or pages and feel humiliated. So this notion

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there is no such thing as physical jiad, I don't know.

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I guess the color of the sky in there world

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is purple.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's move on to some of the theological issues,

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some of the beliefs that are on and at odds

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with Christianity. I think two of the most glaring that

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you often highlight is, first of all, is probably the

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Islamic dilemma as it's known, which is that the Quran

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many times over, actually says that you can look to

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prior revelation in the Bible to confirm this teaching of

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the Quran However, when we go to the Bible, of course,

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it teaches the Trinity, it teaches the deity of Christ,

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which the Quran says is idolatry and polytheism. So clearly

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the Bible doesn't teach the Koran. And then the dilemma is, then, well,

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how would I go to a book that you believe

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is corrupt to confirm the new revelation? Right? How could

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a corrupt thing confirm the new thing? So basically they're

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on the horns of a dilemma. Could you speak to that?

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I know you've heard a lot of have you ever

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heard a Muslim give a good response to this?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. In fact, that was one of our main

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arguments in the debate, and you saw what happened. They

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floundered like fish out of water.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you study the Koran and the tradition true

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to Muhammad, and you just study them, not later Muslim

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interpretation or later Muslim spin on the sources. The Koran

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clearly provides one line of evidence for Muhammad's messenger ship,

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and that Muhammad and his Koran confirm agree with the

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scriptures and the possession of the Jews and Christians. Now,

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historically we know that the only scriptures Jews and Christians

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have had at the time Muhammad, before Muhammad, even before

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Christ with the discovery Dead Sea Scrolls, are the scriptures

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you and I read today. So courting Muhammad, those scriptures

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are uncorrupt, those scriptures preserved by his God of law,

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and that the sign of his prophetood is that his

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Koran agrees with those scriptures. So he's calling the Jews

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and Christians, hey, accept me. Why my Korn agrees with

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your scriptures. The problem is when the Jews and Christians

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told Muhammad, no, you don't. You don't agree with our scriptures.

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Your theology doesn't agree with our scriptures. Your Koran doesn't.

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He then blamed them for misinterpreting, not corrupting the text.

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You go to chapter three, ver. Seven eight of the Koran.

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It says they twist with their tongues the words and

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remove them with their tongues from right places. So that

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was Muhammed's argument. It wasn't that you corrupted the book.

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It's your misinterpreting the book. So if you let me

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interpret the book, then you'll become Muslim. In fact, that

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happened in our debate. If you remember with the Jazz

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at the end, what did he say, Yes, this corrupt

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Bible that he was trashing confirms Muhammed as a prophet.

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And I go, oh, you mean the same corrupt Bible.

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He goes, oh, yeah, the Bible is true when it

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agrees with our theology. If you remember that he did

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that in debate. So is the precisely circle reasoning. This

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destroys Islam in that if Muhammad says the Bible is true,

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and the Bible shows that Muhammad's doctrines are false, the

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gig is up. Mahm is a false prophet. But if

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they say the Bible is corrupt, that means they're disagreeing

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with Muhammad. That means they know more than Muhammad Mad

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01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,159
is wrong. The gig is up. Mahmad is a false

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01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:55,199
prophet them if you do, damn if you don't.

1404
01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 2: Another thing that I think many Christians and people in

1405
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:03,039
the West don't know is the history of the attempt

1406
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:08,359
to create a single Choranic version. I didn't know this

1407
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,279
until I really started looking into Islam a few years ago.

1408
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:14,279
This is the whole history of Uthman and the burning.

1409
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,640
And they often make this argument that, well, we have

1410
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,079
a perfectly preserved history of the Quran. The Bible has

1411
01:22:21,119 --> 01:22:24,560
a lot of thousands of manuscripts from the first few centuries. Therefore,

1412
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:29,239
we have a superior revelation, which itself is actually fraudulent

1413
01:22:29,359 --> 01:22:31,800
because if the argument is that it needs to be

1414
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,800
closer to the time of the revelation to be accurate, well,

1415
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,680
the Gospels are actually far closer to the time of

1416
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,920
Christ than the Quran is. So why would we expect

1417
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,199
the Quran to give us accurate history of Christ. Their

1418
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:47,439
very argument undercuts the history of the Quran itself because

1419
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,000
it's far away. It's much further from the time of

1420
01:22:50,079 --> 01:22:52,880
Christ than the Gospels are. We're supposed to believe that

1421
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,840
this is somehow a better accurate representation of what Jesus taught.

1422
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,399
Somehow could you tell us about the history of the

1423
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,399
burning of the of the texts precisely?

1424
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Again, this is all based on Muslim sources, not Islamophobic literature.

1425
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,560
For example, as I mentioned earlier, the largest sect of

1426
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,520
Islam would be the Sunni sect, so they followed the

1427
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,680
Krown on Sunna. They have a set of traditions that

1428
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:23,800
they have classified whether sound absolutely reliable, good, weak, or forgeries.

1429
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:27,279
The information I'm giving is based on what they deem

1430
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:30,359
to be the most authentic sound narrations that they claim

1431
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,520
can go back to Mahmed said Bukhati Sahei Muslim and others.

1432
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:38,239
According to their sources, when Muhammad died, his own companions

1433
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,039
people that followed Muhammad learned the Koran from Muhammad were

1434
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:45,960
now writing down what they learned from Muhammad in manuscripts,

1435
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:48,359
their version of the Koran, and they were in conflict.

1436
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,880
The differences were so bad. And by the way, for

1437
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,680
the Muslims who think I'm lying, I'll even give you

1438
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,640
the reference if you go online dot com. Saihel Burghari

1439
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:00,199
volume six numbers five oh nine, five ten. That's all

1440
01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:03,359
you need to remember, said Bukati, volume six number five

1441
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,000
one zero, and then read five zero nine before you

1442
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,640
read five one zero, And there it says that the

1443
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,399
differences were so great and these are Korans written down

1444
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,960
by Mohammed's companions that they almost came to blows because

1445
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,920
they're accusing the others of corrupting the Kuran. So much

1446
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,439
for memorization preserving the Koran, because that's another canard. Well,

1447
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,720
they memorized the Koran and preserved it well. Mohmed's companions

1448
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,760
when they wrote down what they memorized full of contradictions.

1449
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:33,159
So the third kleph Othman Ibenafhan, third Kliph decided and

1450
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,119
this is around six fifty eighty. Now this is according

1451
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:38,439
to Sunny tradition. If you go to Orientalist scholars or

1452
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,560
Islamit dollars who are not committed to the Sunni tradition,

1453
01:24:42,039 --> 01:24:44,239
they don't believe much of these traditions. They believe it's

1454
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:47,920
forgeries because the sources that contain these traditions are nearly

1455
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,079
twenty years remove from the time of Muhammed's reported life,

1456
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:53,960
so they take them with a pinch of salt. But

1457
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:59,159
with that said, Uthman decided to standardize one Qoran, a

1458
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:02,880
Quran compiled by a man named zaiath itbin Thabit. Now

1459
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,680
Zayad converted to Islam years later after Muhammad had went

1460
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,560
to Medina, and so he decided to standardize that Koran. Now,

1461
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,560
there were other Muslims who had been Muslims from the

1462
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,399
time of Mecca way before Zayad. One in particular, name Abdullah,

1463
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:22,000
had been Masudd. He learned the Koran, he mastered its recitation,

1464
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,399
and even Mohamad's companions say, among all the Muslims. He

1465
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,000
and another man named Obi were the best. When he

1466
01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:31,000
wrote down the Koran. His Koran contradicted Zayath's and he

1467
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:33,760
refused to give it up. Othman demanded they be burned.

1468
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:36,600
He didn't want to. It got to the point that

1469
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,840
Uthman insulted this man of the Llah, who was a

1470
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,399
companion of Muhammad, and they were companions in sided aright,

1471
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,359
he got beat He had his ribs broken because of it.

1472
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,800
So Othman decided, this is the Koran, will follow. All

1473
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,760
the other korans need to be burned. Who gave him

1474
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,399
the authority to burn down korans that Muhammad's own companions

1475
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,600
learned from Muhammad directly? Thank God, No no Christian ever

1476
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,319
had a Christian uthman doing that to the Bible. But

1477
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:08,359
then it gets worse. That's so called amonic recension. When

1478
01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:13,159
it was transmitted, it came down to the Muslims in

1479
01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:18,720
twenty five at least twenty five different Arabic variant forms

1480
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,439
of that withmonic text. Three hundred years after death Muhammad,

1481
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,760
a man named edbin Mujah had decided, I'm going to

1482
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,199
standardize seven of the twenty five once again, by what

1483
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:31,199
authority is not a prophet, he's not a messenger who

1484
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,520
gave him that right, So even Muslims will admit that

1485
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,920
the present Arabic Koran, you can't trace it any earlier

1486
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,159
than Utman. And even then they have at least seven

1487
01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:46,399
different Arabic variants that are not one hundred percent consistent

1488
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,520
with one another. So much for perfect reservation, right.

1489
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, even if theoretically there were

1490
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:57,399
perfect preservation, I mean, error can be perfectly preserved as well,

1491
01:26:58,039 --> 01:27:01,439
so it wouldn't necessarily prove anything even if we're the case,

1492
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,039
and of course it's not the case according to the

1493
01:27:03,079 --> 01:27:05,960
hot deeds. Now, could you speak maybe a little bit

1494
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,439
to this issue of well, isn't Iran as a Shia

1495
01:27:10,359 --> 01:27:13,479
version of Islam versus Sunni Because the reason I bring

1496
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,800
that up is well, when we listen to a lot

1497
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,720
of the debates, it's usually sold in the West as

1498
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,199
a very simple, easy to understand religion, and everybody can

1499
01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:24,640
get behind the idea that God is won. But they

1500
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,359
always downplay the fact that no Muslims have been fighting

1501
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:30,920
each other for centuries, and they fight each other over

1502
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,960
a very minutia that, in their own view would be

1503
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:37,199
the attributes of a Llah does all I have a

1504
01:27:37,239 --> 01:27:40,279
hand to shin a foot. They'll go to blows, they'll

1505
01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:42,359
go to war over that. But they present it in

1506
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:45,439
the West like, well, we all agree, we're all united

1507
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,199
on there being one Islam. Yep.

1508
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Iran, as you said, they identify with the

1509
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,760
Shia sect, which is the second largest sect of Islam.

1510
01:27:55,399 --> 01:27:59,079
And like I said, over eighty percent some would even

1511
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:01,640
push a close nine identified with sun Islam. And I

1512
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,279
have to be careful. Just because someone says he or

1513
01:28:04,319 --> 01:28:06,199
she is a Sunni doesn't mean they understand the tradition.

1514
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,560
You have a lot of Christians understand the traditions. So

1515
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,640
I'm just saying statistically they would identify with this version

1516
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,800
of Slam, doesn't mean they're educated. Now that Shia are

1517
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,840
the intellectual heirs of a group of Muslims that started

1518
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,039
flourishing in the seven hundreds eight hundreds called the Muteslites

1519
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,319
the Mattzida, So they are the heirs of that particular group. Now,

1520
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:34,920
the Metesolites were heavily influenced by Aristatalian Neo Platonic philosophy logic,

1521
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,520
and that's your forte. Now, the Metesolites, because of the

1522
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:44,600
influence of Aristatlian logic denied any real distinct attributes in

1523
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,159
the essence of their God a law. The other group

1524
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:53,279
that wasn't trained in Greek philosophy logic affirmed that Allah

1525
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,640
has an essence that and he has attributes, and the

1526
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,199
attributes are not identical to the essence, and the attributes

1527
01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:01,880
are not identical to one and one of those attributes

1528
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,079
happens to be the Koran because the chron is the

1529
01:29:04,079 --> 01:29:06,279
speech of Allah. So they reason if the Chroanu is

1530
01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:09,720
speech of all that's uncreated. The other group said, you're polytheists.

1531
01:29:10,399 --> 01:29:13,760
If you're saying that Allah has distinct attributes and they're

1532
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,079
not identical, and the chron is one of them, you're

1533
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:20,680
now destroying absolute unicity, and you're doing what the Christians

1534
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,960
are doing. In fact, they even level this charge. You're

1535
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,039
saying to the Koran. What the Christians say about Jesus,

1536
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:28,199
Jesus is the logos the world who became flesh. You're

1537
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:32,199
saying the logos or the Kalam the word became a book.

1538
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,319
So you're not true monotheist. And depending on who was

1539
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:38,319
in power, there's something in Islamic tradition and I want

1540
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,760
the non Muslims to confirm to see if I'm lying.

1541
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:45,640
It's called the Mehnah Mehnah around the eight hundreds, the

1542
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:51,359
Calyphs were Muteslites. You had cal Mun. He was imprisoning,

1543
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,039
torturing and killing any Muslim who said the churn is uncreated,

1544
01:29:56,039 --> 01:29:58,880
and then followed by successor and Muttim who did the same.

1545
01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:03,159
So they e imprison and kill Muslims depending on their

1546
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:05,960
view of the essence of all law the attributes in

1547
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,399
the Koran. So this claimed that all law is absolutely

1548
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:12,039
one and there's no disagreement that does not chide with

1549
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:13,479
their own Islamic sources.

1550
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, even in the debate they downplayed that fact, acting

1551
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,359
as if they're all on the same page, and of

1552
01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:23,279
course they're not. In fact, there's even disagreements on how

1553
01:30:23,319 --> 01:30:25,840
to rule on the moral matters. So Islam is not

1554
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,239
this unified thing, but they sell it as a very

1555
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:31,039
simple unified thing in the West. Is the key point here. Now,

1556
01:30:31,239 --> 01:30:33,720
another issue that really seems to I think rattle a

1557
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,239
lot of people is the comparison of the morality between

1558
01:30:37,319 --> 01:30:41,079
Christ and Muhammad. And when people really look into that,

1559
01:30:40,279 --> 01:30:43,640
that seems to shake people. More than a lot of

1560
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,720
the more high theological topics. Could you talk about the

1561
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:51,479
comparison between the morality of Muhammad versus what Christ taught.

1562
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,079
And then, for example, we just saw in Iraq they

1563
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,640
just passed a law to be able to marry at

1564
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,039
age nine, could you speak to some of these issues.

1565
01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely. In fact, I can confirm most Muslims leave Islam

1566
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,279
because of the morality of Muhammad. So if you want

1567
01:31:07,319 --> 01:31:09,920
to get Muslims to leave Muhammad, it's the morality issue,

1568
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,960
not so much theological issue. And so what's the problem

1569
01:31:13,039 --> 01:31:16,439
with Muhammad and Jesus? Well, let me start with Muhammad.

1570
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,840
The reason why Iraq passed that law. Again, according to

1571
01:31:21,079 --> 01:31:24,359
the so called authentic traditions attributed to Muhammad and the Koran.

1572
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,840
In chapter sixty five, verse four of the Koran, there

1573
01:31:28,039 --> 01:31:32,439
there's legislation governing on what you do when you marry miners.

1574
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,079
It even says the women who have not yet had

1575
01:31:36,119 --> 01:31:41,239
their periods jahna, meaning they are so young, they are premature,

1576
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:46,359
and yet they're being married off. The men are consummating

1577
01:31:46,399 --> 01:31:48,600
the marriage. I know, I got to keep it derated.

1578
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:51,680
They're forcing them, So how long should they wait to

1579
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:56,720
be remarried? So Islam sanctions pedophilia. It's there. In fact,

1580
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,840
if you go to the four main Islamic schools of

1581
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:03,279
prudence and Sunny Islam, they tell you the only condition

1582
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,840
for marriage for a girl is if she can handle penetration,

1583
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,399
and that varies from age to age. I mean, I

1584
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,039
know it's sick. I don't know what I can say

1585
01:32:11,039 --> 01:32:13,800
on the show, but absolutely sick, meaning she can be

1586
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,159
as young as six or seven, but if she can't

1587
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:19,479
handle weight, be gentle until she can handle penetration. Why

1588
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,199
because their example is Muhammad. According to the tradition, Muhammad

1589
01:32:23,279 --> 01:32:27,079
i Aisha. Aisha was the daughter of his so called

1590
01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:30,199
best friend. She was six years old when he wrote

1591
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:33,079
the marriage contract, but he had to wait till nine

1592
01:32:33,279 --> 01:32:36,239
to consummate it because that's the age where she can

1593
01:32:36,279 --> 01:32:39,000
handle penetration. So puberty for them is when you can

1594
01:32:39,039 --> 01:32:41,560
handle penetration by a grown man. And Mahmed is fifty

1595
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:46,479
four years old. So this is one gross practice not

1596
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,520
only Muhammad carried out, but it's in the Koran, which

1597
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,560
is why Muslims who want to follow strictly the Shittia

1598
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,279
cannot condemn marriages to nine year olds. They can't do

1599
01:32:56,279 --> 01:32:58,760
it because they're condemning Muhammad. So that's one second thing

1600
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,640
Muhammad did, and this is not as well known. Muhammad

1601
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,479
had an adopted son named Zayd. He adopted him, he

1602
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:10,039
married him. All the Musdom sources say that one day

1603
01:33:10,119 --> 01:33:13,960
Muhammed saw his adopted son's wife and he started lusting

1604
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,279
for her, and she noticed that he was drawn to

1605
01:33:16,279 --> 01:33:20,079
her beauty. She told her husband. He then went to

1606
01:33:20,079 --> 01:33:22,119
his adoptive father and said, look, I'll divorce her for

1607
01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:25,199
your say no, no, no, keeper divorced her anyway. And

1608
01:33:25,239 --> 01:33:27,960
then a verse comes down in the Crime, chapter thirty three,

1609
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:31,479
verse thirty seven, saying, you hit Muhammad. What we're about

1610
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,000
to make known that we wanted you to marry her?

1611
01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:36,840
Why now, notice the logic of a luh. We wanted

1612
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,239
you to set precedence. What's the precedence that when he

1613
01:33:40,319 --> 01:33:43,239
divorces her, you marry her so there'll be no fault

1614
01:33:43,399 --> 01:33:48,079
and adoptive fathers marrying the divorce wives of the adopted sons.

1615
01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:51,079
Now tell me how sick that is. You have an

1616
01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:54,039
adopted son, he divorces his wife, you take her to bed.

1617
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:56,960
Now she becomes his stepmother. But this is a snum.

1618
01:33:57,319 --> 01:34:01,399
Now it gets even worse. Shortly thereafter, Allah abolishes adoption.

1619
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,640
He goes, there's no more adoption, Zaida, is no more

1620
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,920
your son? Stop calling them your son? Why? To save

1621
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,199
face because people kept attacking him saying, how could you

1622
01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:12,840
take your son's wife? Well, he's not really my son

1623
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,920
after all, and I am adoption. But wait, Jay, you

1624
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,119
know logic better than me. I thought the reason why

1625
01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:22,479
he married his adopted son's wife was to set a

1626
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,920
precedence that other adoptive fathers could marry the wives of

1627
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,279
their adopted sons when they're divorced. But if Allah's all knowing,

1628
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,760
didn't Allah know he was going to then abolish adoption later,

1629
01:34:34,119 --> 01:34:37,000
So what kind of example of he's setting when adoption

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is now canceled? And then noticed the inhumanity because of

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Muhammad's lust. Muslims cannot adopt orphans, and orphans cannot be

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adopted into Holmes because adoption is not permitted in Islam.

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And yet the God revealed in Jesus loves adoption. He

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adopts us as his sons and daughters. So adoption is

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part of the Christian heritage. So these are just some

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of the aspects. I can go a little more, but

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if you wanted to say some before I give you

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another example, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean it reminds me too of just you know, sort

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of fundamental contradictions you're talking about logic. You know, Muslims believe,

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for example, that Jesus was a worshiper of Allah, and

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yet we have multiple times, many many times throughout the Gospels,

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Christ claims to be the son of God. Of course,

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in the Kuran we're told that Allah has no sons.

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So how could Allah be the god of Jesus when

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Jesus says many many times over that he's the son

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of God and that we become sons of God. That

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proves that Allah is not the God of Jesus. And

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so Jesus is not in any continuity with Islam. So

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I mean, I know this is getting back into the theological issues,

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but it's another contrast on that point of sons and

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adoption and grace that of course Islam does not believe.

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Speaker 1: In precisely, and just to piggyback for what you said,

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to say that Jesus un of God is one of

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the grounds for Muslims to carry out jihad Christians, that's

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chapter nine, verse twenty nine. If you say Jesus, son

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of a Law. That is one of the reasons why

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Muslims must carry out jihad on Christian lands and subjugate them,

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because that's the height of blasphemy, because the highest relationship

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a person can have with a law is a slave

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to master relationship. And therefore Jesus says, if all you

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are is a slave, you have no permanent place in

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the master's house. So it's not just theological, it even

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affects the political, social, economic atmosphere that we live in,

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because that's the reason why Muslims cannot rest until the

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West is subjugated to the rule of Islam. And stop

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this nonsense of saying Jesus's godson and we're the sons

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and daughters of God. Now I can mention another ask God,

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do you want to say something before?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to say that this reminds

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me of that. I don't know if you saw that

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clip of a sneak O and Muhammad Job where Sneako

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asked Muhammed Job at the topic came up of what's

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worse a Christian or somebody who's living in homosexual relationships,

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and Muhammed a Job said that it's actually worse to

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be a Christian, and everybody was surprised at this, which

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I think demonstrates why you could never have Chris Loam.

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And this melding of the two is because they believe

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the idolatry within Christianity, believing in that Jesus, the Son

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of God, is worse than a homosexual situation.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's one hundred percent on them, the worst blasphemy

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because homosexuality can be forgiven. But when you commit what

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01:37:20,359 --> 01:37:23,000
they call shirk, associating a partner with Allah like he

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has a divine son, Allah will never forgive that. So

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01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,079
they were being faithful to their religious texts. So absolutely right.

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In Islam, homosexualities heinous, but you can repent. But if

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you openly profess Jesus' God's son, that is a sin

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that's much more heinous and Allah will not forgive you.

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So exactly spot on now one more aspect, because this

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is not just theological, it's not just in the realm

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with theology. It's being carried out right now by Isis,

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by al Qaeda, Bokoharam you name it. In chapter four

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01:37:51,399 --> 01:37:53,680
of US twenty four of the kron Muslims are allowed

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if they're carrying out military expeditions and go ask the

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01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,439
survivors in Iraq or Syria the levant They saw this

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with their own eyes. A Jihati when he attacks the place,

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01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,840
can take a woman, even a married woman. This is

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in the krown in the tradition, even if she's married,

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and then he can can I say the word rap

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grape because I don't know. Okay, great great per, okay,

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01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:21,640
great per, he can great per even married, because when

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he takes her captive, that nullifies her marriage. Great Brett

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01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:28,439
will and sell her off. This is what's happening now

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in places like Afghanistan and Nigeria. So it's not just

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theological folks. We're talking about stuff that actually impacts our

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01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,039
lives today. And there are women who have been taken captive,

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even married women, and have been great because this is

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what all his messenger condone, something condemned even in the

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01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:48,600
Old Testament in Jano twenty one ten or fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to thank you for joining me today, Sam,

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01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:56,680
this was a great conversation. Any of the last last

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thirty forty seconds. You want to tell us things about

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Islam and then maybe where people can find you and

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what you would recommend yes.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on my YouTube channel Shamunian. I'm

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also on Rumble It's Answering Islam. I also have a

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blog where you can find articles with all these references.

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They're free of charge. Answering Islam Blog, Answering Islamblog dot

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WordPress dot com. The only thing I'd want to say

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is I don't want to generalize in the sense that

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I'm not saying every Muslim believes us. Most Muslims are

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ignorant of their tradition. In fact, the women and children

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are actually victims of the Islamic system. We need to

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do all we can to stop Islam and set these

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people free, and the only way to do so is

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through the Gospel of Jesus Christ, our Lord, our God

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and Savior and King. And I love you, brother, Thank

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you for having me.

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