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Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

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Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with them.

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Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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that turned me.

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Speaker 3: Away the quickest.

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Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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the most, where the eyes were going red. I see

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an orb of light. It is just circling these steps.

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Speaker 2: Like it is waiting for me.

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Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo.

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Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven

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foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's

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where I saw.

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Speaker 3: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.

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Speaker 1: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.

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I don't like death. Welcome back to tin Foil Tells tonight.

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We are joined by my guest Jesse, and Jesse has

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been on the show before, but I wanted to come

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back on here tonight and talks more about some things

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she's experienced. So it's all welcome Jesse to the show.

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How you doing.

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Speaker 3: I am doing fantastic. Thank you so much for having

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me on again. I've been excited to come on again.

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I've been listening to all your episodes too. You've been

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getting some cool people on here. So yeah, I've had

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some interesting stuff happening lately, and I just kind of

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wanted to get it out there and talk about it

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a little bit more because I don't know, it makes

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me feel like it's almost more. I can accept that

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a little bit better when I talk about it, and

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then it gets my story out there more to see

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if other people have had the same type of things happened.

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Speaker 1: For anyone that's not familiar, would you like to let

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them know a little about yourself.

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Speaker 4: Yep. So my name's Jesse.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in like southeast Illinois, right around the

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Indiana border. I grew up on an Indian burial ground.

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I found that out kind of in my high school

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age or area whatever. Started having experiences when I was

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about five. I experienced a little et bean in the

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back of our yard. I experienced orbs floating around the

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woods because we had like two acres of woods. We

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had like Poultergeist type activity happened in the house and

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around me. And then lately, since I've been open about

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this and doing more research throughout my life, I'm finding

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out that either I'm pretty sure that I had a

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I guess you could call it an attachment throughout my life.

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Speaker 4: We also had eight to ten foot tall.

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Speaker 3: Shadow figures with red eyes pop up in the woods

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all the time. They would throw rocks at us, So

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I don't know, maybe it was could have been a

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sasquatch since it was a wooded area and they're known

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to throw rocks and be very big black figures with

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the red eyes, so that's possibility too. I don't know,

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never saw any prints, but with all the research I've

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done it that would it would be interesting if that happened.

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Speaker 1: Depending on how your opinion is of certain things. Some

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people call sasquatch not actual physical beings anyway, so some

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could say the shadow.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that is true, because they would appear do something

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crazy like throw a rock or break a branch, and

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then it would disappear. And then like just seeing the

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the eyes in the woods was definitely creepy feeling like

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like if I go hiking, like I'm not supposed to

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be in here, like I'm so uncomfortable and just booking

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it out of the woods. And now with some of

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the scientific research a lot they're finding that that could

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possibly be infrasound, which I mean, I wouldn't be surprised

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if it was that too. You walk in the woods

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and you know, I'm just going hiking because I mean,

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middle of nowhere country, what else am.

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Speaker 4: I gonna do?

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Speaker 3: And then just like pitting your stomach uncomfortable, like I

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need to get out of here.

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Speaker 4: Something, something's wrong, not supposed to be in here.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm trespassing, and then you just book

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so for me I and it's not that I've been

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afraid of woods, it's just I've had no interest in it,

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in a gully or whatever. I used to think there's a

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monster that lived in it. But maybe that's my irrational

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fears as to why I don't like them, because I

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think there's something in the woods. But right, I've just

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never really cared to be out in nature. I guess

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in between Cornfields. I grew up in Cornfield area, So

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for me, it's just I don't know. I've been surrounded

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by woods and just never had any interest to go

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in them.

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Speaker 4: I mean that just depends on the person.

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Speaker 3: But also if you think about it, maybe so have

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you gone out of state and been curious.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's just the area.

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and it looks amazing, like in the mountains and everything.

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like hike. But I got thinking about it, I was like, no,

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because I'll get lost or I don't like bugs, so

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getting on me. And I always find reasons not to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. That's how my fiance used to be.

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enjoying going hiking and stuff. So I'm like, Okay, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: Let's go here. This place looks cool.

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna be going to Kentucky for We're gonna

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be going to Waverley Hills mid June this year and

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we're going to have like a four day little just

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hang out in a little cottage with like a hot

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tub that's on a lake, and there's a lot of

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hiking trails around the area, and that's pretty much what

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we're gonna do, So go hiking after let's see, from

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seven pm to four am is when we got Waverley Hills.

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Speaker 4: So that's gonna be a long night.

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get up and possibly go for a hike to see

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around the area. Because he's never been to Kentucky. It's

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really pretty down there, so I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: We're exactly as Waverley Hills in relation with Kentucky. It's

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towards Louisville, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's I believe it's a little bit south west

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of Louisville lou I think that's what it's.

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goat Man Festival.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, yep, I know about that stuff too.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, so I'll be down there for that one.

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wasn't one hundred percent of shor. I never I've drove

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through Louisville, but I've never actually stopped. Yeah, I know

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much about the area.

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the area. There's actually we're gonna be about a little

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bit over an hour north of Mammoth Cave. So I

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told him the last day that we're there, that we're there,

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check out the Airbnb, and then go drive down to

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Mammoth Cave and you know, mess around in there for

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a little bit. He's never been there. I haven't been

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there since I was like eight, I think eight or

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nine or something. My mom's got a picture of me

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and my little brother with the gigantic st leg tights

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and everything. I'm like, well, we're going to be around

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the area, let's let's go. You've never been there. I've

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been dying to go back. I can't wait because I

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know that Mammoth Cave is known for, you know, spooky

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stuff as well not just being really cool.

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Speaker 1: I just think of the movie that is Scent. I

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don't know one. Yeah, that's that's the thing that always

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comes into my mind when I think of caves as

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the descent yeah, I've always been a apparently I'm just

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afraid of everything. But I've never been interested in the

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woods and caves I've I say I'm claustrophobic because I

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really don't like being in areas where I don't very small. Yeah,

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hard to fit in things, and I have to crawl

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into a crawl space or I've got to crawl through something.

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which is one of those bridges like that you can

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lift up to make it. I had to go in

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there's vehicles driving over my head and I thought I

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was having panic at texts in there because it's like

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, that would freak me out.

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Speaker 1: I felt like I was having panic attacks. But it

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got done. I'd deal with it. Couldn't do much about its.

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Speaker 3: My job, right, Yeah, I don't blame you. I know

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you're You're definitely a bigger guy. So that that would

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be you know, like, okay, am I gonna get stuck? Like?

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Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to be doing any uh,

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anything too small because of how huge, how huge the

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cave is. There's like like walkways and stuff, and it

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brings you through like these like waterfalls and then certain

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areas of the cave and everything. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: We have a waterfall that I found. I say I

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I didn't personally find. I'm sure some of the one

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building a new highway basically, and it was off the

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right of way, so it's out in the woods a

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a little stream, and we followed it back and we

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actually found a waterfall coming off the edge. And I

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driveways and this one like not even really road going

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into this huge wooded area. And Stiff's like, uh, are

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and sure enough, little ways and there's a couple parking

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spots and then we go and we'll start walking and

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Speaker 1: Really where this is, there's no way for them to

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Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, Yeah, they've been clearing the woods and

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Speaker 4: Gonna say probably, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not going to say here because I don't know how

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many people actually really know about it. I don't want

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Speaker 4: That's very true.

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Speaker 3: Yep. That's another thing that thinking about when we were

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going hiking and stuff like that, making sure that there's

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you know, you're supposed to be there, and the more

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wooded area, there's times where it's like, uh, should I

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go down this way or not?

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Speaker 4: Make sure you look for no trespassing signs?

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Speaker 1: You know, you never know, right, That's the other thing.

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When I was down in the mountains, I was like,

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I remember Deliverance. I've watched wrong term. These movies have

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stuck with me, so never know anymore. I've always loved movies,

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but I think they've traumatized me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that's what they're supposed to do

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make it scared.

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Speaker 3: So like where when we had the wooded area, we

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did have a couple like no trustpassing signs up, and

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there's more now, I guess because so ever since I

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became so, I guess you could say I came out

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of the paranormal closet November of twenty twenty three, I think, yeah,

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November of twenty twenty three, I had my first interview

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because I decided, you know, I want to start talking

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about this stuff, like I would love to go to

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the paranormal expos and conventions and speak at these or

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vend or do something like. I didn't know there was

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a whole community like there is, so I guess you

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could say I put that out in the universe. I'm like, oh,

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that would be so cool. And then got interviewed for

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a podcast, and then I was a host on one

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for a little bit left there, probably around October of

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last year. And I go to the expos and paranormal

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conventions and stuff whenever I can, vending or just to attend.

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So November twenty twenty three is when I came out

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and stuff just started like lining up, And then I

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had somebody ask me if so. I originally contacted him

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for like a TV show that he was talking about

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that he was going to be filming, and we talked

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on the phone for like an hour and I was

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kind of just telling him all the different stuff that

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has happened to me, and he was like, Jesus, this

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is a lot. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know.

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I don't have like one or two experiences. I have

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like fifty. And he was like, Oh, would you be

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open for like a documentary on you and everything that

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you've been through? Can you get to that property since

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you don't live there anymore? And I got me thinking,

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and I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I know

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I got bought, but I don't know who bought it.

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And it's literally still abandoned. Like they started to redo it,

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like they made it a two story, but there's no

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siding on it, there's no walls inside of it, so

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it's like they stopped.

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Speaker 4: So I found that interesting.

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Speaker 3: Uh So, around December of last year, I guess you

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could say I got the bug up my butt and

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I was dying to know who owned the property. And

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I haven't really thought about it until, you know, like

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the end of last year, Like, it wasn't like a

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second thought or anything, and so I was just thinking

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about it.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I wonder who owns it?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I

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can find out online. So I joined this like counting

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clerk thing, and I was able to unlock the name,

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the name of the person that owns the property. And

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I literally, excuse my friends, shit my pants because it

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was somebody that I went to school with that was

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a couple of years older than me, and I was

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like my Facebook friends with him. So I go on

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Facebook and I look and sure shit, I was so

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and I'm like, we okay, this is getting interesting. And

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then at Christmas, so this I found the owner out,

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like maybe three days before Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Christmas, I make, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, a happy Christmas post, you know, blah blah blah blah,

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and this person literally commented, Merry Christmas, Jesse. And we

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have never interacted on Facebook. Not once I dig into

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the property find out who it is. I haven't said

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anything to anybody aside from my fiance.

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Speaker 4: Nobody else knows this.

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Speaker 3: And he comments Merry Christmas, and I'm like, what the fuck, Okay,

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this is really interesting. Okay, And then a couple like

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a week or two pass and I'm just like.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I should message him. Should I

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message him?

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Speaker 3: Like what if you think I'm weird or psycho or

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something like how am I gonna? How am I going

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to bring this up? And I finally got the kahonas

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and I decided to to message him. It was pretty

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much like, Hey, you know, I used to live there.

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I grew up there until about twenty twelve. I've been

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curious about the property, you know, I've driven past it

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a few times and I wanted to know, you know,

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who owned it and everything. So I saw that you

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own the property, so I just wanted to put it

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out there. You know, is there any way that I

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could possibly come by there? Because my dad technically died

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in the driveway and I would like to go there

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for said kind of spiritual reason. He gets back to

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me pretty quickly and says that he believes in all

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the spiritual and he's very spiritual, and he believes in

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the paranormal. He added me on Facebook because he saw

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how spiritual I was with the reiki and the sound

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healing and all the paranormal stuff I do, and I

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shit my pants again because I'm thinking, how am I

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going to bring up, like, Hey, all this weird shit

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happened to me?

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Speaker 4: Can I come over?

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Speaker 3: And he pretty much just put it out there like, hey,

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I'm very spiritual and I believe in all this type

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of stuff, and so I just like paragraphs some of

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the stuff that I went through there. And he said

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he feels like he can feel my dad there every

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now and then, that he feels presences. He says that

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he's been growled at on the property and he's like,

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in me being me, I just grawl back at it.

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So I was like, oh my god, you're serious right now.

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So and then he tells me that he has been

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he doesn't know why, but for the last year he

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hasn't been able to get me out of his head.

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He thinks about me a lot within the last year. Well,

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when he said he started randomly thinking about me was

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when I came out of the paranormal closet about November

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December twenty twenty three, and I'm just like, what, So,

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that's when I just started popping in your head. Was

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when I started talking about the property. That is that

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is very interesting.

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Speaker 1: So how long has he owned the property for what'd

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you say, how long has he owned the property for?

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Speaker 4: Twenty twelve?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I saw like on the county clerks thing

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like the date that it was sold, how much it

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was sold for and everything like that. So he's that's

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how long he's had the property. And the whole reason

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he got the property was he he's always had a

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dream about building a house with his dad, So that's

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why they bought the property, was to you know, build

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what they wanted on it, because I mean, technically the

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house that I grew up in was falling apart at

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any new foundation and a bunch of stuff. That's why

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my mom ended up having to sell it and you know,

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foreclosed on and everything. And uh so I asked him, so,

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the last time I was there, I noticed, like there's

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no sighting on the house and it doesn't look like

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there's any walls or anything.

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Speaker 4: And he said that.

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Speaker 3: It has been probably, Uh one of the hardest things

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him and his dad have had to do is getting

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like the permissions to site or the citations or whatever

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it is when it comes to like building stuff on properties.

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And I don't know the correct wording, but they just

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got got the the site sites or whatever permissions for

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the garage, not even the house yet, and they've been

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working on that for a decade and I'm just like,

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holy cow, I wonder if that has anything to do

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with the property itself, because it's an Indian burial ground

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and they're like, no, you need to get off of

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our land, like we don't want you here because when

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we live there, my mom added to the land. She

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put trees and flowers, raspberries, tomatoes, you know, stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: She added to the land.

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Speaker 3: And then when they got the property, they kind of

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tore up a bunch of stuff, Like a whole section

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of woods is just gone. We had like privacy bushes

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on each side of the yard gone, a lot of

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the flowers and everything that my mom planted and everything

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are gone. So I'm like wondering if the property's mad

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at them. I'm like, hey, I mean, you guys are

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kind of tearing shit up over here. You're not allowed

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to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've noticed with stuff like that, it does seem

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to have an effect on the surroundings, like when the

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burial ground in general, that's typically considered bad juju when

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you mess around. Yeah, that stuff anywhere, But when you

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go through there and you start messing up with nature,

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and you start messing up with other things, and messing

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around with the lands, especially something that could be considered sacred,

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like a holy land was for them, for like where

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they do their burials, Like you're going to get some

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sort of weird activity most likely yep.

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Speaker 3: So it's just like, yeah, I've been racking my brain

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over this for the past couple of months, like it's

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just too too many synchronicities too quickly, like not knowing

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who it was, then really wanting to know who it

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was finding out who it was.

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Speaker 4: We know each other.

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Speaker 3: We went to school together, he comments on one of

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my posts when we haven't interacted ever. And then he

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believes in spirituality and paranormal stuff and he hasn't been

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able to get me out of his head for since

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the whole time that I've been talking about this, Like

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this is getting interesting.

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Speaker 4: I don't really know how.

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Speaker 3: Like I've had people tell me that the house is

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trying to call me back there, which I don't know

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how I feel.

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Speaker 4: About that, but I mean it had there.

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Speaker 3: It's been a poll since I've been talking about this,

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Like like I need to close that chapter of my

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life or something. I need to go there at night

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time and just like try to close what all the

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trauma that that place brought in my life, because that's uh,

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one of the whole reasons I decided decided to start

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talking about this stuff is because shit like that does happen,

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but you can overcome it, as you know. When I

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was actually interviewed a couple of weeks ago, they asked

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me a question that I had an epiphany and realized

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the answer. They were like, well, if you had an attachment,

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do you know when it actually stopped, like when it left?

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And at first I said no, I don't think so,

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like I I don't know when it left. And then

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I just it hit me and I was like, oh

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my god. It was after we were closed on the

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property when we moved to the new house, because twenty

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third ended twenty twelve, twenty thirteen was when I started

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being more like positive minded and I think positive, positive

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things will happen to you, and I never really was

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like that ever in my life. So another correlation to

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where house forecloses on has new quote owners and we move.

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It's only like five or six miles, but we move

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away from the property and then my mindset changes, and

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then that's when I put that puzzle piece together that

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I really truly do think I had an attachment because I, uh, oh, well,

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it's not video, but I dug through some I dug

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through some old photos, and any photo of me with

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like a boyfriend, there's a big black mass over me.

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It's like it's it's creepy and back then you know

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with the wind up cameras, you know, you click and

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then you wind and then you go with Walgreens.

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Speaker 4: And gonna print it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was those types of cameras and there's there were

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a bunch of black masses in front of only me.

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So again with the research I've done over the past

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few years, that I that's like quote another symptom of

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like people that have attachments dealt with something dark. So

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more and more things just keep adding up that that's

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actually what I went through. So it's it's really interesting

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and also kind of creepy at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Does that not make you a little bit nervous to

477
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,039
return back to the same place if you could have

478
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:51,319
had an attachment from there?

479
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: Exactly? That That's another thing I've been thinking about. But

480
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,759
I also think that with everything I know now, I

481
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:04,799
know how to fully protect my I guess, well, everybody.

482
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: Has different views.

483
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: I think if you say hail you know a hail

484
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,559
Mary and our father, nothing can attach to you. Me.

485
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,920
I feel if I have like black termaline on and

486
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,079
I rubbed my feet in black selt before I leave,

487
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,000
it'll push anything negative off me. So I mean it

488
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,799
all depends on belief systems as well, but I feel

489
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,839
I could protect myself more so. But yes, I have

490
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,079
been wondering is the house calling me back so it

491
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720
can attach to me again? Like is it like, oh

492
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:35,240
it misses me or something after all these years and

493
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,920
even so I feel like I need to close that

494
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,359
chapter of my life in a way, like I want

495
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,880
to go there. I went there, I've gone there twice.

496
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,799
But I went there, well, not really walked on the property,

497
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,880
but drove past the property at night with with Steve,

498
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,039
with my fiance a long time ago, like almost ten

499
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,960
years ago now, and I saw one of the big

500
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:08,279
black tall things standing in the field that is right

501
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,680
next to the woods of the property, and I slammed

502
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,400
on the gas because I got like that uncomfortable feeling.

503
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: So nighttime. I saw that daytime was there with my.

504
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: MO and it didn't really have a negative aspect to it,

505
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,119
like it was just weird being there and seeing the changes.

506
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,119
So I think I can go back during the day nighttime,

507
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,839
though I don't know yet. I need to get rid

508
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,839
of all that fear before I try to even tackle that.

509
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,839
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. We've kind of talked about this

510
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,279
a little bit ago. I don't think he was an expert,

511
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,119
but I feel like when it comes to places and

512
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,160
if there is an energy there, this is just my

513
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,759
way of thinking. I feel like, if there's an energy there,

514
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:03,240
I don't think all of them are necessarily there by choice. Yeah,

515
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:07,319
And then I think that there are some that are

516
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,680
there because it's their way of feeding.

517
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

518
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you would distinguish something that's

519
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,440
good or not good, and it's up to interpretation because

520
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,599
I guess. I know I sound like a rambling idiot sometimes,

521
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:29,680
but in my opinion, I don't think things are good

522
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,640
and bad. I think things just are what we perceive

523
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:38,440
is to be bad and evil. What if that's just

524
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,680
their way of surviving.

525
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: That's true.

526
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,839
Speaker 1: If we look at a lion, and a lion attacks

527
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:46,599
and eats a person, all we got to go put

528
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,960
it or anything in general. Yeah, it's just doing what

529
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,680
it does because that's what it does, that's how it survives.

530
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,640
But we look at it as though it killed a person.

531
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,359
What if the things that we consider dark attachments are

532
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,160
attached to someone because that's their life force, even though

533
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,279
we don't understand what their life is because like a

534
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:08,000
spiritual ethereal type of thing, we don't understand it. Yeah,

535
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,119
we put a label on as a being bad, but

536
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,000
it's only doing what it does to survive.

537
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true too.

538
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: I think I've heard you talk about that before too,

539
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,039
and I was I remember thinking that too, like, oh,

540
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,599
that's a good point. Like we don't know, like I

541
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,240
mean unless I sit there and be like, hey, why

542
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,880
did you do that to me when I was growing up?

543
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 4: Like what was the reason for it?

544
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: You know? But like because the the veil isn't thin enough,

545
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,759
I don't know if I'll ever get the answer. But

546
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,680
that is a good point, which is why I'm trying

547
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,599
to be like, there's nothing to be afraid of. I

548
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,880
don't know what it was when I was younger. Yeah,

549
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,440
I was terrifying getting shit thrown at me, and how

550
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,960
I was very hateful and very violent during the time

551
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,279
that I lived there, And like I have over two

552
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,960
hundred scars on my wrist because I would cut myself

553
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:04,519
because I didn't feel anything. It's like I was numb

554
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:09,880
and that made me feel better. I also tried killing myself.

555
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,440
So all this shit happened to me when I was

556
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,720
at that property, and it's I mean, I feel that

557
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,480
it was negative, but like you said, we don't know

558
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,079
if it was, like what why that truly happened? And

559
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:28,880
then when my uh, when I was fourteen and I

560
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,279
put a pendulum board in the driveway thinking I was

561
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,160
talking to my dad. Then that's when things got really

562
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,000
bad because I guess you could say I opened up

563
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:39,279
a door and then that's when it started coming inside.

564
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,799
Speaker 4: Before it was only outside.

565
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,799
Speaker 3: And then after that happened, it's like I invited it

566
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:46,079
inside by accident.

567
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: How old were you not dinner? How old were you

568
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,359
when your dad passed away?

569
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: Ten?

570
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: And then start to happen with your change after he

571
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,839
passed away.

572
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: So I experienced stuff before he passed. I wouldn't go

573
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,039
outside at night time when I was a kid, slept

574
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:09,400
with my mom until I was well.

575
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: My mom and my dad until I was thirteen.

576
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: You know. He died when I was ten, but I

577
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,920
slept with my mom for another three years because I

578
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:19,200
couldn't sleep by myself.

579
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,359
Speaker 4: I was too scared. And then my mom says that.

580
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: I would she when my brother was a baby, she

581
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,519
would find me in his crib in the morning, and

582
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:33,599
I remember being scared and seeing something looking in the

583
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
window at me, and I'd get scared and I go

584
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,200
in in his crib. So I wouldn't sleep alone. But

585
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,359
after my dad died, I kind of had I don't

586
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,839
remember much when it comes to really anything, and it's

587
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:52,440
probably because of the trauma, because I saw his body

588
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,240
and everything. When I was ten, I didn't he I

589
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,279
didn't know that he passed in the driveway. I thought

590
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:01,319
he died at the hospital because that's where I saw that.

591
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,400
And then around when I was fourteen, I don't even

592
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,160
remember how it came up, but my mom told me

593
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,960
he actually died in the driveway, and I was like, what, Oh, well,

594
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,839
maybe I can talk to him, you know, like if

595
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,200
he passed in the driveway. So I got a pendulum

596
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,640
board and talking to him, and then that's when it

597
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,480
got more violent and more I don't know. Take take

598
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,359
took me over a little bit more, I guess, you

599
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:31,359
could say, because I was already depressed and going through

600
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,680
enough being a teenager, having lost my dad, had you know,

601
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,440
friends of mine, well they used to be friends make

602
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:40,359
fun of me because I didn't have a dad anymore,

603
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:44,319
you know. So I was going through all of that crap. Yeah,

604
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:48,960
and so it's like all of that probably together it

605
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,200
didn't add up for anything positive. But after I decided

606
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,359
to try and talk to him, I know, that's when

607
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,079
things got more personal, I guess, and stuff would happen

608
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:04,920
in the house more.

609
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,039
Speaker 4: But also the.

610
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,039
Speaker 3: Whole hitting puberty type of thing that some researchers talk

611
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:14,960
about girls that I've had traumatic experiences and they hit

612
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,720
puberty and then a psychokinesis shit happens. Because stuff did

613
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,799
move around more when I was upset, So it could

614
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,400
be that too. I guess I'll never truly know. But again,

615
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,279
this is why I call myself a paranormal researcher, because

616
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,160
I look at all these different aspects and studies or

617
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:40,119
different experiences and see how it correlates and if it correlates,

618
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:44,160
and it's interesting to me now more than before, because

619
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680
before it was just like this is messed up, this

620
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,720
is evil, this is dark and negative, negative, And now

621
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,519
I'm trying to take a different aspect of it and

622
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:53,319
learn more.

623
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,279
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of it does sound and this

624
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,440
is the stereotypical way of going about it, but a

625
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,720
lot of it does sound negative just because of how

626
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:08,239
things play out, Like if someone feels the setup would

627
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,480
be there was some traumatic stuff, but you were seeing

628
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,760
this thing prior to that, so whatever it was was

629
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,440
outside and by you going out there in the driveway,

630
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,599
you invited it in. But it already took a liking

631
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,079
to you, so it was already wanting that interaction with you,

632
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,079
and by bringing that in, it does seem like it

633
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,000
had some sort of a negative aspect. But again we're

634
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:33,400
seeing it as negative, and it could very well be negative,

635
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:37,000
but it's just doing what it does.

636
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying like probably I think it fed on fear, right, And.

637
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're good. I'm not saying they're bad.

638
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,920
I don't know. I don't think anyone truly knows. And

639
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,079
then people get all religious about it and they're like, oh,

640
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:52,679
it's demonic, it's evils. Well, that's just because they're putting

641
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,519
a label on it.

642
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: Yep.

643
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, no one truly knows,

644
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,719
like and anyone can argue that if they believe, they

645
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,639
have their belief and they have their faith, that is awesome.

646
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,800
I'm proud of them, I'm happy for them, but that

647
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,079
is still not proof to me.

648
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,119
Speaker 3: Yep. No, you're right. I mean that's originally what we

649
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,079
thought it was too. What I thought it was was

650
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,760
it was demonic because that's what we were taught. I went

651
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,679
to freaking Catholic school for Christ's sake, you know. And

652
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,000
then my mom even had one of my friends, his

653
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,880
stepdad was like a Methodist priest, so she even had

654
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,960
him come out and blessed the property line to hopefully

655
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,320
help me feel better.

656
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: And it lasted about two weeks.

657
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: I felt okay, and then it all happened all over again.

658
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,360
So if it was truly demonic, I don't know if

659
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,800
it would have been able to quote cross that line again.

660
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,880
But again, we don't know. It's just it's just something

661
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,000
interesting that I mean, I'm gonna put all of this

662
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:02,000
in a in a book.

663
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: That's the plan.

664
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 3: Because the more that I'm thinking about it, the more

665
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,159
I'm finding things out, and then hearing other people talk

666
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:15,960
about similar situations and everything. That's the whole reason I'm

667
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,079
I'm talking and I want to write a book is

668
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:21,400
so other people know they're not alone if this stuff

669
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,559
happens to them, you know, because I was nobody.

670
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 4: Everybody thought I was nuts. So being the.

671
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,519
Speaker 3: Only person that I knew of that had experiences like

672
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:39,840
this and everything, it isolates you. So then that definitely

673
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,320
doesn't help with your mental health either.

674
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:46,079
Speaker 1: Happen to know the history of the house before you

675
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:47,239
guys lived there.

676
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,079
Speaker 3: Yes, uh so the house itself was technically an old

677
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,760
schoolhouse for a while. It was it was a one

678
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,119
room schoolhouse with like a fireplace and stuff, and then

679
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,280
the people that had it before us they built onto it.

680
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,519
Nobody died on the property from what I looked up.

681
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,559
From what I know, but it is part of the

682
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:18,639
Indian burial ground that was also across the street, which

683
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:19,639
is a golf course.

684
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,159
Speaker 4: So it's like this big section of land.

685
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,559
Speaker 3: Most of it is this big golf course and then

686
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,320
there's a little portion of it that it was the

687
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,159
house and the fields that were around that side of

688
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,559
the street. And then ironically also the only I've been

689
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:38,679
zooming in on like Google Maps and stuff in the

690
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,000
area if anything's changed and shouldn't be like, oh I

691
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,679
remember that area, but zooming in on Google Maps, it's

692
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,920
still the only section of woods that's that's that big

693
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:56,119
for miles. So I find that interesting too. That's the

694
00:37:56,159 --> 00:38:00,480
only section of a big wooded area. Everything else has

695
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:05,440
been getting developed or clowed down for stupid soular stuff

696
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,559
or farmland or something, but except for that section. So

697
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:13,440
it's interesting to me, to say the least.

698
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: Well, it being an old school in a single school.

699
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,599
You know when the school was.

700
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 3: Built nineteen it's either nineteen ten or nineteen oh one.

701
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,679
I remember nineteen and a one in zero, okay, So

702
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,840
within that time frame.

703
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:36,039
Speaker 1: It's old mm hmm, with the land, the old building,

704
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,519
the school building, and then whenever it is converted into

705
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:44,119
a home. So there's a lot of different things, a

706
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,079
lot of different people that have passed through there, a

707
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,239
lot of different things have went on around there, Like

708
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,480
there's all sorts of different energies that came through there.

709
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,840
And I know it sounds weird to say it, but

710
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,000
like back in those days. If you ever go to

711
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,920
a cemetery and you look at the older tombstone's a

712
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,960
lot of kids back then seemed to get sick, and

713
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,679
we didn't have that, so a lot of kids were

714
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,000
dying off through there. So if their memories are of

715
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:14,880
the schoolhouse and their energies at this, like there's all

716
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,480
sorts of different avenues that they could play into this

717
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,239
to where anything could be around that area.

718
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: Yep. Well something else that I actually I did not

719
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:29,360
talk about last time because I forgot about this. And my.

720
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 4: Well, he's my friend.

721
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,199
Speaker 3: We were engaged for a while way.

722
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: Back when I was like eighteen nineteen.

723
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: He experienced a lot of this crap with me. He

724
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,599
was the first person to one hundred percent believe me

725
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:47,559
and experience it with me. So I was like, Hey,

726
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:49,480
just so you know, I'm going to start or I'm

727
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,320
getting interviewed for podcasts, I'm going to write a book

728
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,119
and everything. Are you okay if I use you know

729
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,199
your first name? And he said, yeah, that's fine. I

730
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,880
don't really go by that name anymore anyway. So I'm like, okay, cool,

731
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,480
And then he's like, hey, make sure you put all

732
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,199
of this, like, talk about this stuff, and it was

733
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,000
a bunch of shit that I forgot about. So I

734
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:15,760
brought this up the past couple interviews.

735
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 4: Okay, how do I word this right?

736
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,519
Speaker 3: So obviously, being in the middle of nowhere, there ain't

737
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,440
shit to do. Ride bicycles, i'd go frogging, I'd go

738
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,960
in the woods, you know, country living. And uh. I

739
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,239
was hearing grout like I was in high school, so

740
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,159
eight seventeen ish, I think I was seventeen maybe eighteen.

741
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,280
I was hearing about this graveyard that people would go

742
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,079
to because nobody could see you because it was in

743
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:47,440
the middle of the woods.

744
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,519
Speaker 4: There was a.

745
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: Path you had to go to, and you know, we

746
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,360
go smoke weed, smoke cigarettes and drink there. I'm like,

747
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,480
oh fuck, yeah, cool, you know when you're that age.

748
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,760
So I'm like, oh, okay, So it's gotta be over

749
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,639
this way. So I'm riding my bike around and I

750
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,000
noticed that there's this kind of hidden path, like it

751
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,639
was really like the grass was really high. I guess

752
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:16,199
you could say you can't you wouldn't see cars going

753
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,920
down it, and there was also kind of a fence.

754
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:22,760
I'm like, huh, I wonder what's down here? Start walking

755
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,679
down there? And it is kind of a wooded area.

756
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,840
There's a gigantic mansion actually on one side of it,

757
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,840
but there's enough woods to where if they did look

758
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,119
at my direction, they wouldn't be able to see me.

759
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,400
And so I started walking and I came into this

760
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:48,000
cemetery and it was, uh, I don't know, not too huge,

761
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:52,880
like maybe a couple hundred feet big circle. And I

762
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,000
noticed that the gravestones were really old, like you could

763
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,639
tell by the weathering and the color, and it was

764
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:04,320
really hard to see anything on them. And then I

765
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,840
got like that that feeling like get out, and I

766
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,440
got really uncomfortable and I was by myself, so I

767
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,639
was like, yep, nope, I'm leaving.

768
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: So I took my tail.

769
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: And ran out of there. And then I told my

770
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:19,599
boyfriend at the time, Bobby. I told him about it,

771
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,320
and so we're like, oh, you know, let's go check

772
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,320
it out. So we went and checked it out during

773
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,880
the day. Uh. There, this is so messed up. There

774
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,199
were graves that were dug up. There were piles of

775
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,159
tombstones that looked like someone took a sledge hammer to

776
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,840
it that were in piles, and it formed a freakin

777
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,639
pentagram and in the middle were two tombstones stacked on

778
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:48,559
top of each other with wax on them.

779
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:55,559
Speaker 4: So we're like, what the f this is? This is

780
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:58,199
what you know? Like, cause we're I.

781
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,679
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about that type of stuff, like

782
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:04,119
I don't know necromancy, double worship, whatever. I didn't really

783
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,079
know much about that stuff. So it was just like

784
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,719
a this is really freaky. This is messed up, Like

785
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,599
what the hell is going on here? And so we

786
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,599
were like, yeah, no, we're not sticking around, We're leaving.

787
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:21,719
So we left. I don't know, like a few weeks later,

788
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,000
we were talking to two of our friends about it.

789
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,519
Of one of our friends, he was in the army

790
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,880
and stuff, very very very skeptical, like if I can't

791
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,440
shoot it and kill it, it doesn't exist type of person.

792
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,079
And then our other friend was kind of open minded

793
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:45,519
but was skeptical, but not as skeptical as our other friend.

794
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,559
So the four of us started walking down the path

795
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:50,119
and this was at nighttime because we didn't want to

796
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:53,159
get caught. So we started walking down the path at

797
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:56,800
night and you could hear something next to us, like

798
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,159
crunching along with us, like maybe five feet into the

799
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:05,440
woods from us. And my buddy's like, what the hell?

800
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,880
Because we would stop and then we would hear one

801
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,880
or two more footsteps, and then it'd be quiet and

802
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,960
we'd start again. Those footsteps would start again. So my

803
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,360
one friend being you know him, grabbed his flashlight, grabbed

804
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,519
his big ass like knife out of his pocket, and

805
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,559
went into the woods, you know, like, who the fr

806
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,360
are you? Come out? You know, name Colin and everything.

807
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,760
I'm not going to say all that on here, but

808
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,880
and he comes back. He's like, I don't get it.

809
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:39,199
I don't see anything. I hear somebody in here, but

810
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,119
there's nothing here.

811
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,039
Speaker 4: What the hell?

812
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: And we're just like, oh, I told you, dude. And

813
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,280
then we keep going and then we get to the

814
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,639
clearing of where the cemetery is, you know, big circle

815
00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:00,320
woods on all sides, and he kind of just shot

816
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,800
off into the into the cemetery. We didn't.

817
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 4: We're like, what where did.

818
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: He just go? Okay, and he left and started going

819
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,119
towards the end of the cemetery with the flashlight.

820
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: And knife out.

821
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,679
Speaker 3: Comes back to us and it's like, I don't know

822
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,280
what the hell I just saw, but I don't want

823
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,639
to be here anymore. But we're I don't want to

824
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:23,079
Let's go, like I don't want to be here. And

825
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,639
we're like okay, yeah, we're all uncomfortable. So we leave

826
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,119
and again as we're leaving, we hear footsteps like behind us,

827
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:33,480
and except the creepy part was they were getting faster

828
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,400
behind us. So we were walking pretty fast and you

829
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,039
could hear like crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch behind us,

830
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,079
and we would stop and you hear a crunch, crunch, crunch,

831
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,039
and then it would be silent.

832
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 4: And we're looking with the flashlight and.

833
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,159
Speaker 3: Nobody's behind us, and it was like right behind us

834
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,480
instead of on the side like it was chasing us out.

835
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:54,760
Almost we get in our cars or well one car,

836
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,599
and we book it out of there. Within two weeks time,

837
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,920
all four of us almost died via accidents, like car accidents.

838
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,599
My army friend was writing his car rocket and there

839
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,159
was a pile of pallettes just in the middle of

840
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,320
the road, so he had to swerve around it, and

841
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:21,800
I think his bike got totaled, I can't remember, but

842
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,519
he got some road rash but was fine. Our other

843
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,039
friend was in one of his cars driving and this

844
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,039
is all in the middle of nowhere country. And shit

845
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,639
where you know the roads, like I'm sure you know,

846
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,360
like you know, okay, after two stop signs, it's gonna teeth,

847
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,360
and then after three stop signs, I need to go right.

848
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,639
Speaker 4: Like that's how it is.

849
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: Our one friend was in his car and there was

850
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,320
a pile of like two by fours in the middle

851
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,360
of the road, like it was on a truck and

852
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,039
it just fell off the truck or something.

853
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:54,599
Speaker 4: He wrecked his car.

854
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: And then me and Bobby we were leaving that friend's

855
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,480
house one night, and again country we know the area.

856
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,679
Speaker 4: He didn't live.

857
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: Too far from my mom's house, like maybe twenty minutes.

858
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:14,039
We're driving and I've got one of those gigantic, you know,

859
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Steedy books in my lap. You know, he could put

860
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,639
like five hundred cities. So I'm like, you know, looking

861
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:21,920
for music and shit to throw in while while we're

862
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,239
going home, I hear Bobby go oh fuck, and then

863
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,559
he speeds up and then I hit the you know,

864
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:33,119
the seat, and then boom, and the ceady book goes

865
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:36,760
up into my face. My head snaps back, and I'm

866
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,920
wondering what the hell's even happening, and I'm like out

867
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,079
of it, confused, don't know what's going on.

868
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 4: He's like, holy fuck, are you okay?

869
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,119
Speaker 3: And I'm like out of it, and he starts calling

870
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:51,119
our friend because we technically weren't far from his house.

871
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:57,199
So from what what Bobby says, and I know he's

872
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,719
right because I didn't see this either. It was raining,

873
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:05,159
and like I said, we know the area out of nowhere.

874
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,119
There's no stop signed, no no warning sign, no nothing.

875
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,360
It's almost like we like portal jumped or time looped

876
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,079
or something because we're driving and then in the out

877
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:21,719
of nowhere Tea intersection, no signs, no warning, no nothing,

878
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:22,679
just Tea intersection.

879
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,159
Speaker 4: And he said that he was like, I either.

880
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 3: Slam on the brakes and we possibly go nose first

881
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
into this ditch, or I slam on the gas and

882
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,800
we go over the ditch. Well, he slammed on the

883
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,000
gas and we went over the ditch. I got a

884
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:45,800
concussion from that, and so we don't know what happened.

885
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,159
Like it was just because you know, I'm looking at

886
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:51,119
the CD book, looking outside and everything, and you know,

887
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,599
trees are just going by me. I don't see any

888
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,719
signs pop up, nothing. And we still had at least

889
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,440
a couple miles to drive before there. It's going to

890
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:04,880
be any tea intersection, So I don't know what happened.

891
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,280
His car was a little messed up, but we were

892
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,599
able to fix it. But after that, needless to say,

893
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:15,440
none of us went back to that cemetery because it's

894
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:19,119
just a little too freaking weird. We go there and

895
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,079
then within a two week span, all four of us

896
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,079
almost die via like car accident.

897
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 4: Like that's that's weird.

898
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,679
Speaker 1: It's similar to something that happened to me. I've mentioned

899
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,000
on them episodes before, but I can tell you all fair, Okay.

900
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,960
I always joked that my buddy and I were cursed

901
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,679
because we were the only ones that touched a coin

902
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:47,760
that he found on a headstone, And oh shit, I

903
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,960
think I've mentioned it at least on here once or

904
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,320
twice before, but I'll tell you about it all fair.

905
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 3: Because yeah, you're like, everybody don't need to hear this

906
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,800
for a twentieth time.

907
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you this to say, it's a similar situation.

908
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,400
A lot of bad stuff happened to both me and

909
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,079
him when we were together. Right after all that, so.

910
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, I also came to find out that there's

911
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,639
we had an experience where it was me, Bobby, and

912
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:22,760
then our other friend. We were driving around and I

913
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,239
don't know what was going on with me. It was

914
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,039
like something was like ripping my insides apart, and I

915
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,599
was in a lot of pain, and we were trying

916
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,920
to figure out what was going on. And we were

917
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,000
getting more activity at my house than usual, like big

918
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,760
rocks getting thrown at us, hearing like chanting in the woods,

919
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,840
drums in the woods, all types of weird shit, and

920
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,000
we were trying to figure out what the hell it was.

921
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,199
And I don't I don't remember. I don't remember a

922
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,239
lot of this because I was in pain and in

923
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,760
the back seat. But according to Bobby and my friend,

924
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:03,639
they were down this one road and I remember I

925
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,360
mentioned to them that I saw, uh so, you know,

926
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:11,360
school bus whatever, we're going to school. I looked out

927
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,480
my window and there was this I've seen this house

928
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:17,880
a million times. The kid was on our route. White house,

929
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:23,079
blue shed, black barn. Blackbarn had an upside down panagram

930
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,559
on it, and I was like, wait.

931
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 4: What the hell?

932
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: And before I could it could even register, we're driving

933
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,280
off again. I'm like, all right, I need to I

934
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,320
need to remember to look at that again. We go

935
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,440
back the next day, the Pentagram's gone. So I'm like,

936
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,400
am I going crazy? I swear I saw that. So

937
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:44,320
I was telling them about that, and so they were

938
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,119
asking me where the house was. And so we were

939
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:49,320
going down this one country road. My friend stops the

940
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:55,199
car and we could see like fire in this like

941
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,400
kind of field. It was wooded, but not very wooded,

942
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:00,480
and we were trying to fit figure out what the

943
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,320
hell that was. And we're looking and it looks like

944
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,880
there's at least seven or eight different like quote fireballs,

945
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,440
Like well, they were torches, is what we came to.

946
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,039
After we left, the area looked like torches, and it

947
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:16,320
was raining, and then lightning struck and then I hear

948
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,000
both of them go what the f like really loudly,

949
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,360
and then my friend slams on the gas and we leave.

950
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:25,639
According to both of them, I was in the back

951
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:31,719
seat laying down. There were like footed figures around that area,

952
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,280
so it was like they were coming towards the car

953
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:38,159
and they had these torches or some shit, and I

954
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,639
was like, wait, what the hell? And then as soon

955
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:45,400
as we left, my friend had me, uh, what was it?

956
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 4: Something with salt?

957
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,199
Speaker 3: I can't remember what he had me do, and then

958
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,400
all the pain that I felt went away. So I

959
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,360
don't know what that was either, but it seems, after,

960
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,119
like I said, putting all of these memories together, like

961
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,960
there was some type of cult like activity out that

962
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,400
way because of all of the uh, the spots that

963
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,440
happened to be weird messed up shit. And then the

964
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,199
first time I actually heard EVPs was I was record.

965
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,599
I couldn't sleep, I had insomnia, and my therapist told me, oh,

966
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,880
go record nature sounds. So I'm like, oh, okay, there's

967
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,280
a creek I like to go to and you know,

968
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,239
water birds, whatever, So I go, I record nature sounds

969
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,400
and as I'm listening to.

970
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 4: It, I hear weird stuff.

971
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,679
Speaker 3: On it, I'm like, what, why are their voices? I

972
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,559
was alone, I don't know why I hear why are

973
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,360
their voices on this? And I'm rewinding it and figuring

974
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,400
out and it sounded like some type of chanting and

975
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,639
then somebody screamed and then the chanting stopped. And that

976
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,880
happened I think twice, two or three times, lots of

977
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,320
weird chanting. Somebody screams and it's almost like like a

978
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,840
drowning scream. It was very mumble muffled or something, and

979
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,679
then it was gone, and then you hear birds and

980
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,679
creek and stuff again. And then a little bit later,

981
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,960
same thing would happen on this recording. And then I

982
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:08,960
brought that up to one of my friends and they're like, oh,

983
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,760
that's EVP.

984
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the hell is that?

985
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,639
Speaker 3: And so I don't know what I captured, if it

986
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,880
was a time loop, if it was a spirit going

987
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,880
through something like, I don't know what I captured, but

988
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,440
it was freaking weird. So's that's another thing that led

989
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,639
me to wonder if there.

990
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 4: Was cult like activity in the area.

991
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. But again, I'm researching and I'm figuring

992
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,519
all this shit out, and it's it's getting more weird

993
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:38,840
than it is not weird.

994
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: When you start looking for answers, you come away with

995
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,199
more questions and you do answer.

996
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: That is yep, pretty much.

997
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: That's exactly what's been happening. And it's all due to

998
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:57,719
me becoming more public about this, Like I'm talking about

999
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,960
stuff more and more memories are flowing back to me,

1000
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,199
or I have people telling me, hey, remember this, remember this,

1001
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,840
remember this, And I'm like, I didn't remember that, but

1002
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:10,920
now that you said it.

1003
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,199
Speaker 4: It's like the memory came back in my mind. So

1004
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,320
it's really weird.

1005
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,599
Speaker 1: It almost brings back that. I know. There's people that

1006
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:26,159
will say that they're implanet memories because someone gives you

1007
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,920
the idea, they put it in your head and then

1008
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,079
you recall it. But it's actually not something that you

1009
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,800
actually experienced, but because someone else put that thought in

1010
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,599
your head, then you think about it, then you think

1011
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,360
that you had that memory. I'm not saying that that's

1012
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,480
not an actual thing, but to me, that doesn't seem

1013
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:43,480
like it could be. It doesn't make sense to me

1014
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,840
that someone can tell me, hey, you remember when you

1015
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,159
come over here and you smack me in the face. No,

1016
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,679
I don't. I think i'd remember that well you did

1017
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:56,039
twenty years ago. No, I didn't. Like it's stuff like that.

1018
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:02,199
I don't see how people could that's an implanet memory

1019
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:06,840
from that, Like, I'm not just like it's I don't

1020
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,000
necessarily buy into some of that. I'm not saying it's

1021
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,159
not a possibility, but I don't think people can just

1022
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,480
automatically program a memory into someone's brain.

1023
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: Because they Yeah, and like what he sent me wasn't details.

1024
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,760
It was like remember when you me so and so

1025
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,920
and so and so went to that one cemetery and

1026
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,760
then we all almost died. And you could take that

1027
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,079
and run with it with like a hundred different examples,

1028
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,599
and then yeah, I was like, holy crap, Yeah, no,

1029
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,880
I remember exactly what you're talking about. And then I

1030
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,079
remembered everything, all four of us almost like almost car accidents,

1031
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:45,360
and like I remembered, uh, I remembered our car accident,

1032
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:48,719
but I totally forgot that it was in correlation with

1033
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,880
going to that cemetery.

1034
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,679
Speaker 4: And then it was.

1035
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:55,559
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yep, yep, that's why that accident happened. I

1036
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:56,440
forgot about that.

1037
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,519
Speaker 1: So there's a few things that always stick out to

1038
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:10,719
me when it comes to like aaronormal activity. A lot

1039
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:16,559
of it is based around trauma, yep, And just from

1040
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,519
some of the things that you've mentioned and talked about,

1041
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:25,239
like there was some traumatic stuff that happened, And I

1042
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,480
don't necessarily know if things like that is what draws

1043
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:34,079
in these types of things, but like we were just

1044
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,920
talking about, like something's being negative, something's not being negative,

1045
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:42,199
just in my own opinion, which means absolutely nothing. I

1046
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:46,920
would be very leary of going back to that place.

1047
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll Believe me, I've been thinking about that too.

1048
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,960
I think it's the part of me that's like I

1049
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,719
needed to conquer my fears to get over all the bullshit,

1050
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,760
you know, all the trauma that I've been through, like

1051
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:00,639
that type of thing.

1052
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,079
Speaker 4: I think that's why I've been thinking about it.

1053
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:05,519
Speaker 1: I completely understand that too.

1054
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's probably not too much of a good idea.

1055
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,079
Like my one friend was like, well, because I've never

1056
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,719
investigated the the that section, you know, that area. I

1057
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,039
didn't know that that was the thing, you know, growing

1058
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,840
up and everything. And then after I started investigating, it

1059
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,320
didn't come to like I should investigate the property that's

1060
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,920
fucking with my life. It was like, no, there, let's

1061
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,880
go to cemeteries.

1062
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: That's where ghosts are.

1063
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,719
Speaker 1: I've always thought it was weird too, that we all

1064
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,079
instantly think that there's gonna be ghosts at.

1065
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: Cemetery cemeteries exactly, like.

1066
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,559
Speaker 1: You're everyone there, the whole place would be just invested

1067
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,199
with spirits because that's where all the bodies are buried.

1068
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:48,320
But that's not how it actually works.

1069
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:49,599
Speaker 4: Yep, exactly.

1070
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: I found that out too, you know, after all these years,

1071
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,519
but when you're young and dumb, you're like, oh, there's

1072
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,960
a ghost at the cemetery.

1073
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: For a lot of us around here, there was. I

1074
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,400
think there's one everywhere, which you mentioned was similar to here,

1075
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,400
because there's a certain cemetery that's off in the woods

1076
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,400
and there's not up the beaten path, and we used

1077
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,719
to go up there and do the things that teenagers

1078
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,440
used to do, and nowadays you can't access it. It's

1079
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:17,559
been kind of which is strange. But there's a road

1080
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:19,159
that used to go up there is no longer there.

1081
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:24,199
But I don't know. It seems like every area has that,

1082
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,119
and there's always, at least from our generation. I've had

1083
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:33,280
this conversation recently with my wife that today's kids are

1084
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,440
not like what our generation was, and it's our parents

1085
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,800
didn't know the stuff that we were doing, just as

1086
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,599
their parents didn't know the stuff that they were doing.

1087
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:43,360
But if I feel like a lot of our kids

1088
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,519
today are screwed because we're still in that age aspect

1089
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:48,719
to where we knew what was going on. We still

1090
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:50,639
know what's going on, but kids today aren't really out

1091
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:52,480
doing some of the dumb shit that we used to do.

1092
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,920
Right They're all inside wanting to be on their phones

1093
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,559
doing stuff on there. They don't want to go out

1094
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:01,159
and do the experience of world of going out and

1095
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:04,280
party and doing dumb things.

1096
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: Steven his one body always juggle with each other like, man,

1097
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:12,239
if we had like cameras and phones like they do nowadays,

1098
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:14,480
we'd be famous with all the dumb shit we used

1099
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:17,760
to do. And Steve's like, I'm glad there's not a

1100
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,360
record of that.

1101
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the stuff will probably be too

1102
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,199
incriminating for a lot of people.

1103
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:23,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1104
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,039
Speaker 1: Well, we've been going for about an hour and I

1105
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:28,800
was going to set this one up to where it

1106
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,119
will come out before June seven. So it'll probably come

1107
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,920
out June third. Oh sweet, because you and I are

1108
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,639
going to be at the same festival outside of Chicago,

1109
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:42,360
if you want to talk a little bit about it.

1110
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:43,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

1111
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: So my friend Jack Chavaz has a paranormal convention that

1112
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,519
he puts on in Countryside, Illinois. It's at like a

1113
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,000
little like an actual convention center of like a hotel

1114
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:59,440
or conference center, whatever Donna call it. So I'll be

1115
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,800
there doing Ricky and sound healing treatments. That was there

1116
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,480
last year. It was very very busy. There's gonna be

1117
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:12,599
so many different types of artists, vendors, speakers.

1118
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,039
Speaker 4: A bunch of stuff.

1119
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:17,719
Speaker 3: So if you're into anything like supernatural paranormal related, then

1120
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,559
it would probably be a good idea to go. I

1121
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:22,679
don't even think it's expensive. It might be like five

1122
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,199
bucks if anything. Okay, Yeah, so like I said, yeah,

1123
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,960
it's not expensive to go, and yeah, everybody has a

1124
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,639
lot of fun and it goes I think from like

1125
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:36,360
noon till seven, so it's not like you got to

1126
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,000
wake up at seven in the morning and it's it's

1127
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:41,159
a big convention. There's gonna be I think at least

1128
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:44,679
fifty different vendors there, so it's gonna be fun actually

1129
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,519
meeting you in person.

1130
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's this is one of the ten different events

1131
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,280
that I'm actually gonna be out in person. I was

1132
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,639
just at the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Festival this past weekend,

1133
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,880
so I met some people there, which by the time

1134
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,360
I record this, that'd been a couple of weeks ago.

1135
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,559
But for anyone out there listening, if you're around the

1136
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:11,239
Chicago area or in the Midwest and you want to

1137
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:13,480
come out and meet me or meet Jesse, make sure

1138
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:16,039
to come out to the convention. It's only one dollar.

1139
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,760
I'll have some cool stuff for you. I've got stickers

1140
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,559
and shirts, and I'm sure there will be a lot

1141
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:24,960
of other cool vendors out there too, so I don't

1142
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,119
want to plug everything. But there are a bunch of

1143
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,320
different events that I will be at this summer, so

1144
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:32,239
I will probably plug them on other episodes.

1145
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:36,199
Speaker 4: Yep, for sure, I'll be you can find me.

1146
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,639
Speaker 3: I'll have my totally tumbled crystals and healing banner up

1147
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,639
and pretty much everything's purple, so I should stick out.

1148
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: She'll be purple. I'll be green with aliens in Bigfoot.

1149
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,599
I don't know how many people out there are going

1150
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:49,559
to have aliens and bigfoot stuff, but that's how you

1151
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:49,920
find me.

1152
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,159
Speaker 4: Sweet, I'm excited, well, Jesse.

1153
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: As always, it's been a pleasure talking with you.

1154
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on again.

1155
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:00,360
Have a good night everybody.

1156
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tells,

1157
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,079
remember to send an email to Tenfoil Telles Podcast at

1158
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:07,639
gmail dot com or go to Tinfoil Tales dot com

1159
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:09,840
and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow

1160
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,519
me around on all the social media's and just remember

1161
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,239
truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay

1162
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:15,639
the price.

1163
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,679
Speaker 2: I've heard a story laid last night about something alert

1164
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:30,920
along a wood line. You foot prints, strange lights in

1165
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:34,840
the sky. They claim it's nothing, but I know they

1166
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:40,880
light it seesoner last to lap in my face. But

1167
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:45,280
something about this makes me say, what if it's grill?

1168
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: What if they knew?

1169
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: What if the answers are coming from you, spending story,

1170
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,119
wasting my time, hearing voices?

1171
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,639
Speaker 3: Is it all in there?

1172
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:04,639
Speaker 2: They can call me crazy, but I just want some froom.

1173
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,159
Speaker 1: What if it's true? What if it's really?

1174
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 3: What if it's true? What if the worlds not what

1175
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:13,599
we do?

1176
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:20,199
Speaker 2: Tim for tales blend me a story that starts where

1177
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,559
the line is get.

1178
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:23,679
Speaker 1: What if it's real?

1179
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:25,639
Speaker 4: What if it's true?

1180
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: The answers are waiting, They're waiting for you.

1181
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: They see if the dog man walking, or maybe am

1182
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:38,400
offman flies. I love the fairy giants hidden beneath the lies.

1183
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,599
Speaker 1: They say, it's just stories.

1184
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: It's all they believe, the fairy tale sport of things

1185
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,199
we can't perceive.

1186
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,639
Speaker 1: They want to keep us blindly, They want to break

1187
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:54,119
our wheel. But I'm not buying it. I'm not swowing another.

1188
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:59,639
Speaker 2: Pill for spent poison. The lines were made to What if.

1189
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: The truth it's set us free?

1190
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:08,119
Speaker 2: The aliens suos traveling through time, secret space programs, racing

1191
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,280
their minds.

1192
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: They call them crazy, but I just need some fruit.

1193
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,199
What if it's true?

1194
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: What if it's real?

1195
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:19,079
Speaker 1: What if it's true?

1196
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 3: What if the worlds not what we do?

1197
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: Till Foil tells fulieve.

1198
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,519
Speaker 4: Me in a story that starts where the logic iss.

1199
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: What if it's real? What if it's true?

1200
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:40,519
Speaker 2: The answers are waiting, They're weighing for you. They lie,

1201
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:42,360
We all can die.

1202
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: The signs are there if you open your eyes. Aliens

1203
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,960
cricked its demon's ghost the leveled them two.

1204
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: What if it's me?

1205
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: Or what if it's real?

1206
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,199
Speaker 2: What if it's real?

1207
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,079
Speaker 1: What if it's true?

1208
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 3: What if the world's not what we do?

1209
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: Tinfoil tells Fullyeve me a story.

1210
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:10,119
Speaker 3: That starts wear the logic.

1211
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: What if it's read?

1212
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: What if it's true?

1213
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: The answers are waiting, They're waiting for you.

1214
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:23,039
Speaker 3: It's all in our heads, it's always our binders.

1215
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:28,079
Speaker 1: These voices can be silenced. The truth must rise. Temple

1216
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:33,559
tell it's pulling me through? What if it's reading? What

1217
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:41,039
if it's true,