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Every 58 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.680 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 59 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:30.960 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 60 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.800 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 61 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.800 Good Evening. Faulkner County native Red Hall was a serial 62 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:52.400 killer who confessed to murdering at least twenty four people. 63 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.879 Most of his victims were motorists who picked him up 64 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:59.800 as a hitchhiked across the United States in the closing 65 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.639 of World War Two. He beat his wife to death 66 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.800 and went on a killing spree across the state. His 67 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.199 signature smile lured his victims to their doom, and even 68 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:13.159 after his capture, he maintained a friendly manner, being described 69 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:18.719 by one lawman as a pleasant conversationalist. Author Janie Nesbit 70 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.159 Jones chronicles his life for the first time and explores 71 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:26.599 reasons why he became Arkansas's hitchhike killer. The book that 72 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:30.879 we're featuring this evening is the Arkansas Hitchhike Killer James 73 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.159 Wyburn Redhall with my special guest journalist and author Janie 74 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.319 Nesbit Jones. Welcome to the program, and thank you very 75 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:44.560 much for this interview. Jane Nesbit Jones, thank you so much. 76 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.199 Thank you so much for this joining me for this 77 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:52.039 incredible tale. Let's talk about this is set in a 78 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:55.400 Faulkner County, Arkansas. Maybe you can tell us just a 79 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.680 little bit about where this is and this is ironically 80 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:03.159 called Happy Valley. So tell us where in Nola and 81 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.159 Faulkner County, Arkansas, and just set the stage four we're 82 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.599 talking about the whole family and the Ingram families, tell 83 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.520 us a little bit about their settling in Happy Valley. 84 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:21.199 Okay. Fartner County is just north of Pulaski County, where 85 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.399 the state capital, Little Rock is, and Enola is a 86 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:31.079 part of Fartner County. It's a little town and there 87 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:35.759 were several communities around Enola back in the old days, 88 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.000 back in the eighteen hundreds, one of which was Happy Valley. 89 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.920 It was just a small community like a lot of others, 90 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:52.879 and people were mostly in agricultural type situations. The business 91 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:58.800 was usually centered around agriculture, and I said something about 92 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:04.759 Iola and that area in particular seemed to have It 93 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:08.439 seems to have an unusual number of people who lived 94 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:14.079 for a long time, even past one hundred. But anyway, 95 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:17.120 Happy Valley is. It was one of those small communities 96 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.680 sort of connected. Imola was a social hub. That's where 97 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:27.319 the post office was. And the Hall and Ingram families 98 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:33.240 moved into that area in eighteen hundreds and became neighbors, 99 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:40.000 and then they became more than neighbors when Samuel Jerome 100 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:46.439 Hall married Eva Lorraine Ingram. They had ten children, one 101 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:51.680 of whom was Red. His name was James Wyburn, but 102 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:56.399 everybody called him Red because he had beautiful red hair, 103 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:02.519 wavy red hair, and his father was a preacher and 104 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:12.439 farmer who was a strict disciplinarian. Especially with Red. I 105 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:17.000 don't know if it was because Red was just more playful, 106 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:21.879 more of an explorer. It probably got into trouble more, 107 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:27.399 but his father was unusually strict with him. He did 108 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:35.160 physically and verbally and psychologically abuse Red. And this was 109 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:39.959 told to me by Red's cousin, Connie. Her name was 110 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:46.199 Carnella Hall, and everybody called her Connie. She married a 111 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.519 mister Weir Connie Weir, So she told me a lot 112 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:54.920 about the childhood. She said that her father was very, 113 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:01.040 very nice, but Red's father was not. She called him 114 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:07.240 El diablo, preacher with horns, or a devil right, And 115 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:14.600 she saw one time how physically abusive Samuel laws with Red. 116 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:19.279 He just beat him terribly, and sometimes it seemed to 117 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:24.680 be over nothing. So Rennett started wandering away from home. 118 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.439 He would wander around the county and his father would 119 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.920 go drag him back home, and that made his father 120 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:37.600 even matter at him. And then as he grew older, 121 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:44.319 he started wandering even farther away around the state. Now, 122 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.800 when he was about twelve years old, he suffered a 123 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.920 head injury. Most say it was a farming accident, but 124 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:56.680 some people wondered if his father had hit him a 125 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.000 little too hard and what's too often, But it was 126 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:07.680 a serious injury because Red he just well, he was unconscious. 127 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.120 He was knocked unconscious and was out for quite a while, 128 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:14.519 and people said he was just never really the same 129 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:19.240 after that. But anyway, as he was growing up, when 130 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.560 he became a teenager, he started wandering on to other 131 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:27.319 states and he would be gone for weeks at a time. 132 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:32.600 Then one day in nineteen thirty eight, he met his 133 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:37.200 wife to be. Her name was Walsey McKee, and then 134 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:42.799 met a church. And Walsey was a shy, naive young girl. 135 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:47.320 She never went to dances or anything like that, so 136 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:52.240 she had led a very sheltered life. But she was 137 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.360 attracted to Red because he had been to all these 138 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:01.240 other places, and she just got absorbed in the stories 139 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:04.240 that he would tell her about these places he had been, 140 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:10.480 and he asked her to marry him. They had seen 141 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.840 each other for quite a while and then they decided 142 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:19.639 to get married. Well, her mother, Amanda McKee, moved in 143 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.519 with them, and that kind of irned Red. But the 144 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:31.840 problem still mainly was Red's wandering ways. During the time 145 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.720 he was married to Walsey, he would still go off 146 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.240 and be gone for a long time. She and her 147 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:41.200 mother would be left to do the farm chores, and 148 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.519 she would sometimes have to ask her in laws for 149 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.840 help in bringing in the crops and things like that. 150 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:56.480 In nineteen forty one, around Christmas time, Red happened to 151 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:00.960 be home. He knew that their baby, their first baby, 152 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:07.159 was due, so they called the doctor and unfortunately, the 153 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:12.559 baby was a still birth. He died at birth, and 154 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:19.200 while the doctor was tending to Walsey, Red had some 155 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.399 sort of fit that he had been sitting on a 156 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:27.360 couch and then when the doctor told him that things 157 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.879 were not going well and that they would be losing 158 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.080 the baby, Red fell off the couch and the doctor 159 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:38.879 said when he got back up, his eyes were twitching, 160 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:44.799 and then he just sat there quietly. So anyway, they 161 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:50.240 did lose that first child, and then she was okay, Well, 162 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:55.000 she was okay, and things went back to normal, which 163 00:10:55.159 --> 00:11:02.360 meant that, yeah, Red was wandering away again. And then 164 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.840 I will say they did have a second child who lived. 165 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:12.759 But at one point they finally decided that it just 166 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:17.879 wasn't working out, although it was Red who actually wanted 167 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:24.679 the divorce, so they did. Red and Wallsey divorced and 168 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:30.519 he moved on. But he had been still in one 169 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:34.759 place just long enough to be drafted because at that 170 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.840 time World War two. This was in like I said, 171 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.879 late nineteen thirties, and by this time it was the 172 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:51.840 early forties, and the services they needed more men to 173 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:53.080 fight the war. 174 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:54.080 So he was. 175 00:11:54.200 --> 00:12:00.559 Drafted by the Navy, but after six weeks they let 176 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.840 him go. Yes, they discharged him, and they said the 177 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:10.679 reason was indifference. He didn't know what that meant. Apparently 178 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:14.480 they didn't explain it, but he was just happy about it. 179 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.919 So he was free to go his own way. And 180 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:26.279 he met a young lady named Fayvorne Clemens, and he 181 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.120 fell in love with her, and she was very attracted 182 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:34.480 to him, so they got married. Let's see, they were 183 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:42.960 married in March nineteen forty four. And she was not 184 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:51.039 anything like Lawsy. She was headstrong, independent, curious, and when 185 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.080 he wanted to go somewhere, she wanted to. 186 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:54.720 Go with him. 187 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:00.320 So on one trip they went up to Oregon together 188 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.559 and that I'll bring that back up a little later. 189 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.639 But it was a rocky marriage really from the start. 190 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:16.000 He was rough and he would hit her and her family, 191 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.080 which consisted of her parents and she had a sister, 192 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:25.080 Ima Jane. They would see her with bruises all the 193 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.399 time when they would come when she would go back 194 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:33.120 home to their farm, and so they knew that he 195 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:39.600 was roughing her up. She tried leaving him once. In fact, 196 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.440 she did leave him once and she stayed with a 197 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:46.440 friend for a little while, but then she decided to 198 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.639 give it one more chance, so she went back to it. 199 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:55.720 They were living in a little apartment behind a grocery store, 200 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:02.159 and she wanted to go out. She enjoyed, not she 201 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.759 wasn't a social butterfly, but she just enjoyed a good time. 202 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.120 So one night she wanted to go to this place. 203 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.759 It was called the Rainbow Garden. The Rainbow Garden was 204 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:20.399 a ballroom that sat atop what they called the largest 205 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.320 gas station in the world. It was called a five 206 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:29.399 five five buildings because there was the big letters are 207 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:34.399 big figures, numbers numerals. I guess we should say five 208 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:39.039 five five. That was the telephone number for that gas station. 209 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:44.000 The gas station was located on the ground floor, of course, 210 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.159 and then they had one floor that was given over 211 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:55.360 to cars where people could park their cars or rent 212 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.519 cars and things like that. And then, like I said, 213 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:03.679 the top floor where was the ballroom. And she just 214 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.679 loved that place. They ring loved that place. So she 215 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.799 decided one Thursday night in September to ask her friend 216 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.559 Katie Bryant to go with her and read that night 217 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:24.639 because it was ladies' night at the Rainbow Garden. So 218 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:30.200 Katie said sure, and they picked her up and they 219 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:34.200 went and danced and had a good time. At midnight, 220 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:40.279 though Red wanted to leave and Katie really needed to 221 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:49.039 because she worked, so Theyrene wanted to go down in 222 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:54.480 the elevator because she was wearing new shoes and they 223 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.720 were hurting her feet, but Red insisted on going down 224 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:04.639 the stairs and they started sniping at each other and 225 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.440 he got rough, so they went out to the car. 226 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:13.639 They finally got down and she told Red, she said, 227 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:19.639 I won't leave you with you and he slapped her. Well, 228 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.360 she went ahead and got in the car and Katie 229 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.759 got on the outside. She sat up front and read 230 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:31.120 got in and they took Kadie home. They dropped her off, 231 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:36.000 and that was the last time anybody saw Irene alive. 232 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:42.360 Now, let's go backwards just a little bit, because we've 233 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:46.360 missed a couple things for our audience in terms of 234 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:50.240 her friend Muriel Stevenson, and this is just previous to this. 235 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:54.960 A few days before, Muriel Stevenson goes to Hall's apartment 236 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:02.360 and Red isn't there, So she talks with Firine and 237 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.440 Farine shows her something. What is that that she shows her? 238 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.200 And what's so unusual about what she did show her? 239 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:16.119 Okay, yes, she had an if they had a new dress, 240 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.039 and it was unusual. It was a two piece, it 241 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.519 was red. But the unusual thing about it was how 242 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:28.359 the closures were. They weren't just regular buttons. They were 243 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.400 these little closures. It's sort of hard to describe it. 244 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:35.440 They looked like one person described them as looking like 245 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:40.160 tiny little swords or nails or something like that that 246 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:44.359 used had to slip through something else. So they were 247 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:48.880 in unique. They'd never seen anything like that. And Muriel, 248 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:54.839 Muriel was also Fay's sister in law, and they would 249 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:59.640 go shopping together. And besides the dress, she tried on 250 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.440 those shoes that I was talking about, because on launched 251 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.039 a shopping trip with Muriel. She had bought those shoes 252 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.839 and she was trying to break them in. So anyway, 253 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:17.200 Muriel and I had a pretty good visit that Sunday. 254 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.799 But that was Yes, that was the introduction to the 255 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:26.599 to the outfit. One thing that helped identify her remains later. 256 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.920 Okay, let's go back to the evening in question. When 257 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:36.119 they drop off Katie, she sees this altercation, this this 258 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.279 heated argument between them, and words have said. What are 259 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.680 some of the things that were said that Katie heard 260 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.519 in the exchange between you know, Well. 261 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.400 One thing Red was always mad about was he thought 262 00:18:53.480 --> 00:19:00.200 that they was too extravagant. He drove a cat, he 263 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.640 was a cab driver and he made pretty good money, 264 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.480 but he accused of being a spend thrip. That was 265 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:13.480 one thing. And then she had there were words spoken 266 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:18.119 about going that was really more Red though later on 267 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.240 I was going to say about going to the coast. 268 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.440 But yeah, they had an argument. So Katie knew about 269 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:28.799 all this when they dropped her off. 270 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:30.720 And then. 271 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:33.359 If you want me to go on. 272 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:38.079 That night, we talk about Muriel. You talk about Muriel 273 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.079 the next morning, So tell us what Muriel does and 274 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.799 and what happens with the rest of Faye's family afterwards 275 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:47.000 in the following days. 276 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:55.480 Okay, yeah, Muriel calls Red. Let's see that was that 277 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:03.720 Muriel had seen her on Thursday was the last time. 278 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.319 That was when Katie Bryant saw her for the affray 279 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:15.119 for the last time. And then Muriel calls Red that 280 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:20.359 by day I believe it was, and Red says she's 281 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:25.920 not there and he doesn't know where she is. So 282 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:31.759 that alerted Muriel. And also there were three cousins of 283 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.440 those who were coming up from Pine Bluff, Arkansas to 284 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:41.160 visit say, but again Red said that she was gone, 285 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:48.079 and that's how her family, the Clemens family, found out 286 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.759 that she was she was missing because they knew that 287 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.960 she would never take off, just take off like that 288 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:59.480 and not contact her family. They were a close family 289 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.079 and she talked to them often, so they knew something 290 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:09.960 was wrong. So her mother and i'ma Jean, her sister, 291 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.240 went to the Little Rock Police Department to talk to 292 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:19.079 the chief of detectives there O N. Martin, and they 293 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:25.680 told him what had happened and that well, she was married. 294 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.279 They started talking about Red and Martin said, well have 295 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.440 you have you talked to him? And they said, well, 296 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:39.440 we've tried that he's never a rent. So after they left, 297 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:47.319 the chief there sent to detectives. One was Herbert Peterson 298 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:53.519 and the other one jud. His name was Detective jud 299 00:21:54.519 --> 00:22:01.920 So Peterson and Hudd went to the taxi stand where 300 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:07.400 Red worked, and so that got things moving a little bit. 301 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.039 Because you may be able to run from family members, 302 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.680 which you can't run from the cops. They're gonna keep 303 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.160 on until they find you. So he just told them 304 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.759 that fay Rain had left and gone to the coast. 305 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:30.440 But see, the thing was her clothes were still at 306 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:35.000 home in their little apartment. Her clothes were still there, 307 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.799 so that indicated she hadn't packed. If she had left, 308 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:48.160 she hadn't packed. So anyway, the cops taught to read 309 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:53.000 and who doesn't really give us satisfactory answer except for 310 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:57.079 saying that she left for the coast. And they say, 311 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:01.039 you mean And they say, how did that happen? What 312 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.640 happened that night? And he said, well, we got home 313 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:09.920 and they were arguing. We were arguing, and then I 314 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:16.680 just went on to bed, and let's see. He gets up, 315 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.240 he says, this is what he tells the cops. He 316 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:27.160 gets up and he realizes theye's not there. He goes 317 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:29.440 through a couple of the rooms. It's a small apartment, 318 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.680 and she's just not there. But he goes back to bed, 319 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:37.400 and they say, your wife disappears and you go back 320 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:42.839 to bed. But there you begin to see how Red 321 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.359 had strange ways of thinking. 322 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:48.400 He was. 323 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:53.599 He was a combination. He was a complex, complicated person. 324 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:59.359 And I do theorize in the book. I said his 325 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:06.279 defense attorney that accident that occurred when he was twelve 326 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:12.079 years old affected him somehow that it caused brain damage, 327 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.200 and that is entirely possible. 328 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:15.839 I think. 329 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:21.799 He seems to have no impulse control, which might lead 330 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.440 to you to think about the frontal load damage when 331 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.440 he was knocked on the head. So he had the 332 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.559 explosive temper. He had that, and yet on the other side, 333 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:39.480 he was friendly and talkative. One place he moved to 334 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.920 after fay Reen that he was still on a low 335 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:47.319 little rock, but he moved into a room with a 336 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:53.599 land lady, Anny Rose. She was so pleased with him 337 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:58.920 as a tenant that she started leaving the door unlocked 338 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.279 when she was so comfortable with him. There was nothing 339 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.880 to indicate that he was a violent serial killer, and 340 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.440 by that time he had killed a lot of people. 341 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:18.599 And while the investigation into Phase disappearances going on, the 342 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:29.000 Arkansas State Police are being bombarded with these crimes murders, 343 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.160 and they quickly come. 344 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:31.319 To the. 345 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:38.960 Idea that it is a hitchhiker's the killings. To indicate 346 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:45.799 a hitchhiker, one occurs. The first one occurs in January, 347 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:55.759 following Phase disappearance in September, and that was mister Hamilton, 348 00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:05.079 Carl Hamilton. He was a bootlegger and a barber in Camden, Arkansas. 349 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:13.920 So Stake police they learned about that, and Hamilton was 350 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:20.839 killed by forty five pistol. And the ballistics expert with 351 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.599 the state police was Alan Templeton, who was great at 352 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:31.039 his job. The captain was Jay Earl Spraggin, and their 353 00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:36.480 chief detectives on the case were Homer Sims and Oliphant 354 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:44.960 Brett Eliphant. So first there's the murder in Camden and 355 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:51.119 they find out they realized that he probably didn't get 356 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:56.200 very much. This is an interesting thing about Red's murders. 357 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:02.079 He would steal, but he never got anything hardly. Sometimes 358 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:05.440 he would get like Forridgton's. The second victim, which came 359 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:14.319 at the first of February, was mister Adams E. C. Adams. 360 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.920 He was from Kansas and he was coming to Arkansas. 361 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.319 He's going to go down to Camden where they had 362 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:26.799 an ordnance plant and get a job there. So he 363 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:33.559 picked up bred in Little Rock, and not too long 364 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:38.519 after that his body is found. He's shot in the head. 365 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.440 Now this time he was shot with the thirty eight. 366 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:47.200 And I might add, but the reason the state police 367 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.680 were called in on that first mother the one mister 368 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:55.240 Hamilton was because the first forty five sworders gave them 369 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:59.160 an idea of the people there in Camden. The officers 370 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.960 that vie it might have been a soldier because that 371 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:09.880 was the firearm used by soldiers. So that first murder 372 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.559 sees he used a forty five, and the second murder 373 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:20.519 of mister Adams he used at thirty eight. So and 374 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.640 then let's see the next one. They're still going on 375 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:33.440 and boil. Moharne. I'm not sure I pronounced that correctly. 376 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:39.839 It's mo Heron, Heron, mo Heron, Yes, it's spelled like 377 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.720 mo Heron. But I'm thinking because your way we talked 378 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:49.799 here in Harchard Susthermton, it may be Moharne. And he 379 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.640 was a driver for a meatpacking company. 380 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:53.920 I was. 381 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.720 Let's see, he was going to Stuttgart. He left Little 382 00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:03.359 Rock and uh at some point he picked up bad 383 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:14.039 We know this because Doyle's Mohearn's to rout. It went 384 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.000 from Riddle Lot to Stuttgart, and on the way there 385 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.680 he would always pass another delivery truck and going in 386 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.640 the opposite direction that he always recognized the driver and 387 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.039 they would wave at each other. 388 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:30.359 Also that. 389 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.440 That other driver had a father who lived along the 390 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:42.400 route so that sometimes he would give his father a ride, 391 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:48.440 and that his father was standing out there by the 392 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:54.279 roadside and he saw he saw red in this truck 393 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.880 with Doyle Mohearne and he was They said the same thing, 394 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:04.920 both the the driver, the truck driver who knew Doyle Malhoerne. 395 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:11.319 Both he and his father described the same person, and 396 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.720 they both said he had wavy red hair, and that 397 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:20.799 was the first clue they had the State police. So 398 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.559 you have these two investigations going on, the State Police 399 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:34.960 and the Little Rock Police Department, and somewhere along the line, 400 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:39.799 well yes I'm leasing track here, but back on course. 401 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.359