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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>Troops that have been to war and now they're back

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<v Speaker 2>and think and be grateful for their service.

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<v Speaker 3>Sacrifice, love for their country, just unselfishness, all that they

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<v Speaker 3>do for us. There are some people in this country

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<v Speaker 3>who take extraordinary steps to provide for the freedom and security.

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<v Speaker 1>We forget that those people exist. We know them as

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<v Speaker 1>the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard. They

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<v Speaker 1>call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors, devil.

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<v Speaker 4>Dogs, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>We call them fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, mothers, daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and wives. We call them friend and neighbor. These

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<v Speaker 1>veterans answered the call, now we answer Theirs are the

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<v Speaker 1>best our country has to offer, and we love them. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we honor them and we serve them. David Malsby is

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<v Speaker 1>your host, and he welcomes you to this community of veterans,

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<v Speaker 1>as together we are building the road to hope.

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<v Speaker 2>with us today. We've got a couple that's with us. Max.

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<v Speaker 2>Always good to have you back. Other than the cap

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<v Speaker 2>uh uh. Anyway, glad to have back, going to reintroduce

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, once again, my name is Robert MacLean. I'm from Bronx,

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<v Speaker 4>New York. My call sign is mac.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and you served.

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<v Speaker 4>I served in the Army Airborne. I've been to quite

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<v Speaker 4>a few places, a couple of wars. I really don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to try to go back into it. But if

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<v Speaker 4>you want to have a good, good, nice story, come

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<v Speaker 4>see this. Come come listen to my story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, understood airborne means you fell out of an airplane.

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<v Speaker 4>No, sir, you jump out of the airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>Jump out?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Savina's fall out. No. Never, They don't push you out.

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<v Speaker 4>They give you the boot, sir, a nice shiny boot.

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<v Speaker 2>Goodness. I never understood that, but thank you for doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is your back? Remind you my knees? Is your knees?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, bone bone on bone? Yeah, yes, sir, But you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, that's a young man's game, and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 4>I was young. Ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we all used to be young.

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<v Speaker 4>Leave that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was a minute ago, but.

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<v Speaker 4>As long as we can remember, we could talk about

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<v Speaker 4>it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>We went through that stage I didn't jump out of

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<v Speaker 2>airplanes though, uh no, not me. All right, Kelly, want

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<v Speaker 2>to enter yourself of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly McMillan's staff sim United States Army paratrooper as well

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<v Speaker 3>knees in a breeze. Fort Bragg has spent my whole

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<v Speaker 3>career and pleasure to be here. And where'd you deploy

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<v Speaker 3>Iraq in Afghanistan? You got you got both of them, yes, sir, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>First one was two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 3>four the really seven, O, eight, nine and ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, so four? Yeah, good grief. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>got six total, sixth total.

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<v Speaker 3>But most of them was all of them actually was

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<v Speaker 3>with use of sock. So our longest deployment was only

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<v Speaker 3>seven months, so it wasn't a year long like Big

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, only seven months. Yeah, that's seven months more than

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<v Speaker 2>I would want to be there. God Lee, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll glad to have you along. And you're from where

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<v Speaker 2>exactly originally Ohio, Ohio. So we've got two Yankees in here, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that is you're safe. Sorry, we gotta we gotta, we

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<v Speaker 2>gotta clear this up, not let this happen again. You

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<v Speaker 2>are so many people from the other side of the

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<v Speaker 4>Don't worry and we'll come now because of the terrace.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, uh all right, see high school? You like

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<v Speaker 2>the drama guy? Football player baseball?

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<v Speaker 5>Played football? Did you?

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<v Speaker 3>McKinley Senior High School? My My high school stadium is

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<v Speaker 3>Fossett Stadium where the Pro Football Hall of Fame is nice.

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<v Speaker 5>That's where I played football.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you any good?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, quarterback? Absolutely, you're the quarterback, yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, we got we got the star.

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<v Speaker 5>In here and played wrestling too.

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<v Speaker 2>You wrestle, yes, sir? Uh yeah. Uh. My old one

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<v Speaker 2>of my brothers, he's the youngest of my brothers and

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<v Speaker 2>he's seven years older than me, and he was like

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<v Speaker 2>out his new moves on me. I was seven years

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen eighteen, I'm ten eleven years old. That never worked

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<v Speaker 2>out well for me, never does, but he's a little brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Never worked out well for me, but I learned a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about wrestling. One don't mess with one who is

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<v Speaker 2>an actual wrestler. You don't want to mess with that.

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<v Speaker 2>They're small like my brother. He was always cutting weight

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. I think he was one o eight wow,

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<v Speaker 2>and then like one whatever. The next one was one

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<v Speaker 2>like just couldn't eat food. I mean, it was just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom would boil a Hamburger patty for him, boil it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was crazy. He's always cutting weight.

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<v Speaker 4>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't mess with those guys though they will,

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<v Speaker 2>they will turn your eight. Anyway, We're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of these guys' stories and what brought

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<v Speaker 2>him to Camp Hope and what we're doing going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is Road to Hope. Ridy will be right

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<v Speaker 2>events going on about the PTSD Foundation for America. But

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<v Speaker 2>support of the PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Camp Hope is the interim housing facility and program that

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<v Speaker 2>we bring veterans in such as Kelly, from all across

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<v Speaker 2>the country, every era of combat, every military brand. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had Space Force yet. I'm sure, I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 2>had anyone from Space Force yet, but we've covered all

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<v Speaker 2>the other branches, So again, all of that is absolutely free.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can get all the information about those programs,

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<v Speaker 2>not only Camp Hope, but also the support groups that

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<v Speaker 2>involved in some of those groups. So all that information

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<v Speaker 2>is available at our website PTSDUSA dot org. Appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>checking that out. One other thing I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>you is our combat Trauma Support line eight seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>seven one, seven seventy eight seventy three. You may not

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<v Speaker 2>be a VET. You may think you'll never need that number,

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<v Speaker 2>but please put that number in your phone. You never

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<v Speaker 2>could really use that lifeline. I guess you could say,

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<v Speaker 2>And then you don't want to be kicking yourself thinking well,

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<v Speaker 2>what was that number? So put it in your phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the important thing to know about that number.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be answered twenty four to seven a

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<v Speaker 2>combat vet, so with someone who truly understands. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not a psych or someone just reading answers off of

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<v Speaker 2>a screen, some sort of AI driven sort of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>A combat vet who's been through the program also has

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<v Speaker 2>received a great deal of training, suicide like assays, training

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<v Speaker 2>how to deal with all that. Eight seven seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>one seven seventy eight seventy three. A combat vet is

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<v Speaker 2>going to answer the phone, all right, Kelly, So, star

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<v Speaker 2>football guy, why'd you join the army?

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up getting some trouble in high school, and

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<v Speaker 3>my brother had already joined the army, and he came

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<v Speaker 3>home on hometown recruiting, and he brought home his recruiter,

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<v Speaker 3>so end up talking me into it. So I got

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<v Speaker 3>my ged and I left for the army. And I

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<v Speaker 3>want to be airborne, and so I did.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you sign up in two thousand? In two thousand?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you want to be airborne?

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<v Speaker 5>Because my brother wasn't. I want her to be better

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<v Speaker 2>Step up. They gotta beat the brother. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you choose to go airborne?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little little competition that gotta one up them

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<v Speaker 2>you joined up in two thousand, you deployed in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one. I mean that was that was fast.

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<v Speaker 2>There weren't many, right.

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<v Speaker 3>We uh laid Constantina tripplestrand Constantina wire around four brag

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<v Speaker 2>You deployed pretty fast too, didn't you? Pretty early?

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<v Speaker 2>What year was that?

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<v Speaker 4>That was two thousand and one. I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so very both of you guys, like very early

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, because you know we we we were real

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<v Speaker 4>light infantry. Yeah, so we get there quicker than anybody else,

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<v Speaker 4>get everybody there on top on the trains and stuff

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<v Speaker 4>like that to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Where'd you go into another one?

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<v Speaker 3>We staged and used Bakistan for the initial push into

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<v Speaker 3>Bogram and then went in with tenth Mountain one hundred, first, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>So what were you doing what?

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<v Speaker 5>I was supposed to just be a mechanic, but was.

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<v Speaker 3>And they definitely they were a lot stronger force than

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<v Speaker 3>was to be expected. So we had like three helicopters

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<v Speaker 3>lot bigger operation than they anticipated in the beginning for Anaconda.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So you went up after the after the choppers went down,

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<v Speaker 2>retrieving the bodies. I was meeting with the gold Star dad. Mmm,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was last week. His son was a marine

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<v Speaker 2>and was killed in a chopper over there. Crazy story

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<v Speaker 2>they gave him. You know, they're getting shot at all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, right, I mean, it's just it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a low easy target to shoot at, right, So they're

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<v Speaker 2>shooting these things all the time. You know. They told

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<v Speaker 2>the family, you know, mechanical failure, Like, yeah, well you

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<v Speaker 2>get hit enough times, I guess you have mechanical failure.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's how that rolls. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>the story you want to tell. I guess the Marine

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<v Speaker 2>Corps had a reason for saying it that way. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. That doesn't makes much sense to me. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>So just that in and of itself is traumatic, just

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that we set up the first CCP

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<v Speaker 5>In Bogroom, and for.

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<v Speaker 3>The first like, we couldn't land fixed wing because the

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<v Speaker 3>you could only land shanooks and coming like that for

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<v Speaker 3>the first couple of months there until it got repaired.

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<v Speaker 3>So getting people in and out of there wasn't really capable.

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<v Speaker 3>Could only get helos. So it wasn't the ideal situation

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<v Speaker 3>there in February of O two, you know, especially with snow.

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<v Speaker 2>On the ground, and I cannot imagine it was an

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<v Speaker 2>ideal And you were there how long that one was?

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<v Speaker 5>Eight months?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'll pass on that one if I can.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So eight months there and then four six

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<v Speaker 2>total deployments for RACK Afghanistan. Right, yeah, okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>when did when did you begin to realize something was

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<v Speaker 2>up on your mental health?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as I came back from the first.

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<v Speaker 5>Tour, Yeah, I was. I was only eighteen, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask how old were you when

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<v Speaker 2>you hit So eighteen, that's way too young, that's just stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>But everything revolved around drinking after that. And I mean

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<v Speaker 3>my dad drank. He was the commander at the VFW.

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<v Speaker 3>Back home, so when I'll go home to visit, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's putting tokens downs, drink tickets, you know, at the BFW.

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<v Speaker 3>So I didn't buy a single drink the whole time

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<v Speaker 3>I was home, and that was not normal. Get back

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<v Speaker 3>to Fort Brag and everybody's drinking every night, eighteen or not,

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't matter. And uh that's how you just cooked

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<v Speaker 3>and it was an everyday thing. We could drink. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>smoke bomb Hill Class six had the highest alcohol sales

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<v Speaker 3>of the year.

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<v Speaker 5>In the whole United States.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they sell the most alcohol on Fort Brag

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<v Speaker 3>in the whole United States.

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<v Speaker 5>For a reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so all right, we're going to take a quick

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<v Speaker 2>to Hope Radio in just a moment, and we welcome

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<v Speaker 2>you back Road to Hope Radio. Glad to have you along.

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<v Speaker 2>Got uh, Robert, I'd like to call Mac.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>So. United States Army Vet. Kelly also United States Army Vet,

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<v Speaker 2>both airborne jumping out of airplanes. Yeah, so you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>after that very first deployment you you were already hitting

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<v Speaker 2>the bottle pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever talked to anybody about anything in the

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<v Speaker 2>army or no?

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<v Speaker 5>No, No, it seemed normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Because everybody, everybody was doing it was the normal way

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<v Speaker 2>to cope.

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<v Speaker 3>So and even my brother who hadn't already deployed, he

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't had a first deployment yet, he had been in

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<v Speaker 3>longer and uh he was in Korea though, but when

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to him, he was doing the same thing,

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<v Speaker 3>still drink or drinking over there.

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<v Speaker 5>So it seemed normal.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had five more deployments after that. What were

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<v Speaker 2>you doing in those other diployments?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, those are all with the USASAK. Some of them

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<v Speaker 3>was out doing some raids. The ones in Iraq were

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of driving. I was doing driving, going out,

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<v Speaker 3>picking up to our hits and stuff with the third group.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, they're they're a little more in depth than

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<v Speaker 3>just going out and you know, just fired they were.

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<v Speaker 3>I really don't want to talk too much about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's fun.

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<v Speaker 5>There. There's still stuff that I'm breaking through right now

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<v Speaker 5>with my.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, not mechanics. Stuff not mechanics. Yeah, that signed up

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<v Speaker 2>to be a mechanic and here.

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<v Speaker 3>Is Yeah, well let's see. In Usak they send you

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<v Speaker 3>through a lot more training though. Like that's the best

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<v Speaker 3>thing about about USACK the money, the budget for schooling

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<v Speaker 3>is there. You can go to any school you want

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<v Speaker 3>when you're in Usaka is definitely a good place for training.

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<v Speaker 2>And how long were you in the army to twenty fifteen?

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<v Speaker 5>Twenty fifteen, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You stayed awhile like mac mac went in state awhile?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>How long were you.

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<v Speaker 4>In mayby four to one when it came back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you go in like you were eighteen when

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<v Speaker 2>you joined, and you're there for how long? Fourteen fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years, that's all you knew as as an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all you knew, and that's your world, that's your

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<v Speaker 2>whole frame of reference of seeing the world and existing

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. So we run into what had become

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<v Speaker 2>did become the obvious issue of our post nine to

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing your story is going to be similar to

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<v Speaker 2>most that I've heard in that timeframe. There wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot Like you took a lot of classes for

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<v Speaker 2>training for doing your job in the army. What did

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<v Speaker 2>they do for you when it was time.

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<v Speaker 5>To go, Oh really nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's kind of I assume that'll be there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're just well to the world. Yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting and you've seen it both as a coming

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<v Speaker 2>through the program but being now on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>and being a mentor and working with guys coming through

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<v Speaker 2>the program. These guys, I mean, so many of them

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<v Speaker 2>came through. They'd never bought an insurance policy, they'd never

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<v Speaker 2>done any of those things they did. It was all

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<v Speaker 2>done for them exactly right, And here's your clothes, Like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a whole new world when you get out. How

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<v Speaker 2>much how much of that was a problem for I

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<v Speaker 2>mean clearly PTSD, but in addition to how much was

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<v Speaker 2>that an issue for either of you guys, Just all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, you're a civilian now.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean one, you're basically like being kicked out the house,

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<v Speaker 4>and two where am I going to go? I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we have family and stuff like that. But once you're

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<v Speaker 4>good for family, they don't understand you anymore. So what's

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm thinking, what's wrong with them? And all of

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<v Speaker 4>a sudden, you know what, My only friend is my addiction.

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<v Speaker 4>I find an addiction that I knew well in the

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<v Speaker 4>military at least I remember that, so I carry that

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<v Speaker 4>with me on the outside and find the wrong people

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<v Speaker 4>after that, and you find a different world. But to

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<v Speaker 4>you it is normal because you've never been in any

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<v Speaker 4>other world but the war and the dark side of

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<v Speaker 4>the dark side of the should I say civilian world?

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like being at the war, so you fit

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<v Speaker 4>right on that, you know, until you learn something to

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<v Speaker 4>and then you understand everything else around your end civilians,

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<v Speaker 4>but other than that, they throw you back to the walls. Basically,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel because when I was home in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the jungle when the military left, let us go.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the jungle because you don't know where you're at,

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<v Speaker 4>Scary to side.

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<v Speaker 2>See how you were early thirties when you got out,

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<v Speaker 2>six deployments under your belt and you know, welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the world. What what was it? I mean, you were

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<v Speaker 2>already using alcohol, you were doing that while you were in.

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<v Speaker 2>But once you came out of the out of the military,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your what was going on? What'd you do

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<v Speaker 2>when you got out? First? Did you get a job somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>go out of school? What did you do?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean obviously I got a job.

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up getting out on a five Dasha, which

427
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<v Speaker 3>is a family care plan because my wife had got sick.

428
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<v Speaker 3>She had got breast cancer and we had two kids,

429
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<v Speaker 3>so I couldn't take care of her and the kids

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<v Speaker 3>while I was active duties. So that's the reason why

431
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<v Speaker 3>I got out. We left Bragg and went back to

432
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<v Speaker 3>Georgia where she grew up. So that and getting out

433
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<v Speaker 3>on five Dasha family care plan, I was able to

434
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<v Speaker 3>get my separation bay.

435
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<v Speaker 5>That's what helped us get our setup.

436
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<v Speaker 3>So my first job once I got out was down

437
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<v Speaker 3>in Coming, Georgia working for some Belt Rentals. And like

438
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<v Speaker 3>you said, there's no transition from the military. So my

439
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<v Speaker 3>very first job was some Belt Rentals, which is an

440
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<v Speaker 3>amazing company, and I had in my first month, I

441
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<v Speaker 3>had two hr complaints from other people because I was

442
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<v Speaker 3>so abrasive, you know, being in the military. My whole

443
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<v Speaker 3>demeanor talking to somebody. You can't call somebody stupid, you know,

444
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<v Speaker 3>and they don't. That's highly frowned upon. So got these

445
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<v Speaker 3>young kids in there, and I expect them to have

446
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<v Speaker 3>the mentality and work ethic that I did and my

447
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<v Speaker 3>guys did when in the military.

448
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<v Speaker 5>Can't can't call somebody stupid and say.

449
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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know, even though he's acting like it, you know,

450
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<v Speaker 3>you can't do that. So it was a lot to

451
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<v Speaker 3>get myself a mac uh, I guess uh tailored to

452
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<v Speaker 3>civilian world and uh. But once I did, you know,

453
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<v Speaker 3>it took a little while, but I excelled. I mean,

454
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<v Speaker 3>became uh employee of the month five months in a row,

455
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<v Speaker 3>you know, once I learned how to mm hmm tailor

456
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<v Speaker 3>to it. So my drinking still was a daily thing,

457
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<v Speaker 3>even I mean the stressors of life instantly got worse.

458
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<v Speaker 3>You noticed, Sacre, she got the more stressors, and then

459
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<v Speaker 3>when she passed, it just everything overtook me. And that's

460
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<v Speaker 3>how Camp Hope had to fallen, because I lost.

461
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<v Speaker 5>Just control of everything.

462
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<v Speaker 2>When did she pass?

463
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<v Speaker 3>Valentine's Day, twenty twenty two?

464
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<v Speaker 2>So sorry, thank you, sir. I hate cancer me too.

465
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<v Speaker 2>I hate it in every way you possibly can. Okay,

466
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<v Speaker 2>So you're you come out of a you know, the

467
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<v Speaker 2>only career you knew at the time, military. You come

468
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<v Speaker 2>out because of the diagnosis of your wife's cancer. So

469
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<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with that. You're trying to figure out how

470
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<v Speaker 2>to get along in a civilian world and then eventually

471
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<v Speaker 2>lose your wife to the camp answer, that's a lot.

472
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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot on the plate. You said that was

473
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<v Speaker 2>in twenty two. What happened after that?

474
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<v Speaker 3>I made it to about Christmas time of the end

475
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<v Speaker 3>of twenty two, and come January twenty three, I couldn't

476
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<v Speaker 3>make the hours at work to maintain the level that

477
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 3>I was providing for me and the kids started closet drinking,

478
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<v Speaker 3>you know, under the bed once I get the kids

479
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 3>to bed and stuff I'd hide in my room and

480
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 3>drink until I fell asleep. My mom saw the came

481
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Speaker 3>over to the house. All the liquor bottles that I

482
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 3>had hit under the bed caused concern. She was concerned

483
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 3>for the kids and started that whole thing, and it

484
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 3>got brought to the light. You know, what I did

485
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.000
<v Speaker 3>in the dark was brought to the light, and which

486
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 3>was it needed to be. You know, I'm glad my

487
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 3>mom was there to care about me and started this

488
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.880
<v Speaker 3>whole thing. So I went to a rehab up in

489
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<v Speaker 3>North Georgia and Helen called Jericho House, and that's that's

490
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 3>first time I opened a Bible. You know, I wasn't

491
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 3>raised in a religious house, so never really have religion

492
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<v Speaker 3>ever and opened the Bible up there in Jericho House,

493
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<v Speaker 3>and it was nice.

494
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<v Speaker 5>I enjoyed it.

495
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<v Speaker 3>And one of the things that I looked forward to

496
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<v Speaker 3>the most about coming out here to Camp Hope of

497
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 3>it being a faith based program and being a loan program,

498
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<v Speaker 3>because I only went to Jericho House for three months

499
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 3>and then I had made it nine months, was doing

500
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.079
<v Speaker 3>pretty good and then I relapsed and then that's how

501
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.240
<v Speaker 3>I ended up out here at Camp Hope with it

502
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 3>being a twelve month or seven or nine month, but

503
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<v Speaker 3>possible year program.

504
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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Yeah, we've had some take up basically up to

505
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<v Speaker 2>two years. We've had a couple guys to take them.

506
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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we're gonna take gonna take a quick break

507
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<v Speaker 2>here in just a moment. Just a reminder eight seven

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<v Speaker 2>seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three is the

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<v Speaker 2>Combat Trauma Support Line eight seven seven seven one seven

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight seventy three websites PTSDUSA dot org. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take a quick break. Be right back. More of Road

512
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<v Speaker 2>to Hope Radio. You know I need joll love.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a.

514
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<v Speaker 3>Hold of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Jall you know that. And welcome back Road to Hope Radio.

516
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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna come across people that maybe you don't know someone,

521
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>but maybe someone you know knows someone that needs what

522
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>we do PTSDUSA dot organ Again, we remove every barrier

523
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>we possibly can that would keep someone from coming. So,

524
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<v Speaker 2>uh did you come from Georgia? Okay? So you came

525
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<v Speaker 2>to us from so for instance, coming from Georgia or

526
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>in your case, coming from New York. Uh, we we

527
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>buy the airplane ticket, we'll get you here. We'll take

528
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 2>care of everything while here. Sometimes we eat pretty good too.

529
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<v Speaker 2>It's our our quote unquote tagline, uh, Hope and healing

530
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.119
<v Speaker 2>for the unseen wounds of war, which you have TBII

531
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<v Speaker 2>well right, you know, so multiple diagnosis, Hope and Healing

532
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.799
<v Speaker 2>for the Unseen Wounds of war. Uh, the unofficial taglines.

533
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 2>We like to eat uh. So we really appreciate some

534
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>of our partners who from time to time bring out

535
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>some amazing meals. We had one last week that was

536
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>just off the charts. Our friends at True Lucks brought

537
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.119
<v Speaker 2>out some lobster and some some prime rib. It was

538
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>that was a day. That was a day right there.

539
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Then Del Frisco's brought out dinner like this. That was

540
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 2>a day. Man. You guys live like kings Like that

541
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>was awesome. No, we don't. It doesn't happen all the time,

542
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>but we do eat good. I mean to say that

543
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.119
<v Speaker 2>food's good all the time. We have a great chef

544
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>and you never know what it's going to be because you

545
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 2>never know what's going to be donated, but he's able

546
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 2>to turn it into something good each and every day.

547
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>I try to stay away around lunchtime because I just

548
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be tempted, Like, if I'm there

549
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 2>around lunch, I'm gonna want to at least look at it,

550
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>at it like what's going on. I try to avoid that.

551
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of hard to do.

552
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure, But one thing I don't want to

553
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>mention is so like the family support we want to

554
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 2>help the family members as well. So we have a

555
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>team at our organization that's complete. That's our whole job

556
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 2>is to support families while their loved one is in

557
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 2>the program, and you know, even both before and after.

558
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 2>So sometimes in the early years when I was running

559
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<v Speaker 2>a family group, sometimes it was the family member coming

560
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>to understand what happened to the loved one because you

561
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.319
<v Speaker 2>talked about that a little while ago. The family just

562
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't get it. They don't understand, right, and why would they.

563
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>So we were in those family support groups to help

564
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>them understand what happened to your Johnny when he came home.

565
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>We had both of his arms and legs and eyes

566
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>who looked good but different war changed them, and we

567
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>try to help the families understand what happened to their

568
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Johnny when they came home from war. So those support

569
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<v Speaker 2>groups happen as well. Many times as a family member

570
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.559
<v Speaker 2>that starts to get the understanding and the support before

571
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.680
<v Speaker 2>the veteran never does. So we encourage you. You're a

572
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 2>family of a veteran that's struggling. I see this so

573
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>often in ours, particularly in our Vietnam that population. So

574
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.920
<v Speaker 2>many times family members were watching and now you know,

575
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.039
<v Speaker 2>when they came home from Vietnam. There was obviously what

576
00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>happened here in this country which was unforgivable. The way

577
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 2>we welcome to our Vietnam veterans home is just uncompletely unforgivable.

578
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<v Speaker 2>But I think the VA and the country has learned

579
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<v Speaker 2>at least a little bit, not as much as you

580
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<v Speaker 2>would like to think, but the coming home issue and

581
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<v Speaker 2>what's going on and family members seeing the veterans and

582
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:28.079
<v Speaker 2>now they hear about PTSD because it's become, you know,

583
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<v Speaker 2>a known thing, I'd say, over the last ten years

584
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>or so. It's everyone's aware. They don't necessarily understand it,

585
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:40.200
<v Speaker 2>they at least have heard the terminology of PTSD and

586
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>post traumatic stress, so they at least are familiar with

587
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 2>that to to some point. But they say, oh, that's

588
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.400
<v Speaker 2>my that's my dad, that's my granddad, that's exactly what's

589
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 2>going on. And they hear about all these years later, and

590
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they're the ones that will reach out and get

591
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>support before the veteran ever does, and that could be

592
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>a great leading veteran getting help. Now, you'd gone to

593
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.599
<v Speaker 2>a rehab you mentioned and stayed sober for a while,

594
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<v Speaker 2>how did you eventually hear about Camp Hope?

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<v Speaker 3>By God's grace? Honestly, I had got in trouble. I

596
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 3>tried to commit suicide in my truck in a parking lot,

597
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:27.679
<v Speaker 3>eight sleep meds and tried to drink a lot and

598
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.960
<v Speaker 3>go to sleep where I want to wake up. Did

599
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 3>it strategically to where my life interns would still pay out,

600
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, not eat a bullet or anything like that,

601
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<v Speaker 3>And somebody told me and going to ambulance and they

602
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.239
<v Speaker 3>saved me. Ended up going to jail because I had

603
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<v Speaker 3>a liquor bottle April sixteenth of last year, and because

604
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 3>of the liquor bottle in the truck in a parking lot,

605
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.800
<v Speaker 3>I ended up getting a d UI. Uh that's how

606
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 3>I ended up in jail, and my attorney turned me out,

607
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.760
<v Speaker 3>told me about it, and uh, that's when the representative

608
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Jason at Ohall County, Georgia came and talked to me

609
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<v Speaker 3>about it. And if I would have known about Camp

610
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<v Speaker 3>Hope as soon as Megan passed and I lost, you know,

611
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 3>my whole support system after my dad passed away. He

612
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 3>was my primary on my support system with everything that

613
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 3>happened to me in the military, you know, telling me

614
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 3>everything that I had done. It was my job, and

615
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, I did what I had to do. And

616
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.039
<v Speaker 3>then Megan, you know, she told me everything I've done

617
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.280
<v Speaker 3>was you know, I did what I had to do.

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00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 3>And you know, when she gone, every everything that always

619
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.599
<v Speaker 3>supported me was gone. You know, I smoked and then

620
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 3>when I lost all that, if I would have known

621
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.400
<v Speaker 3>about Camp Hope, then would have been saving grace for me.

622
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.840
<v Speaker 5>But that's how I found out.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a great team in Atlanta, yes, sir, a

624
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>great team. They're rocking it. Absolutely, they do great, great

625
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 2>work in our Atlanta outreach and yes, what is one

626
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<v Speaker 2>of the things we often talk about is like how

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<v Speaker 2>can we get and we're talking with some folks currently

628
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<v Speaker 2>at the Fort Cavasa's formerly Fort Hood. But how can

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<v Speaker 2>we can get involved in their transition out of the military,

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<v Speaker 2>How can we get to meet them there in hopes

631
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<v Speaker 2>that we can help guys like you before you have

632
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.800
<v Speaker 2>that criminal activity, whatever that may happen to be, or

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<v Speaker 2>other issues. We want to try to get out in

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<v Speaker 2>front of that. So that's something we're constantly working on.

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<v Speaker 2>So you when did you get to Camp.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh August ninth? Okay, was the first time?

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<v Speaker 2>What what are you learning? What's what's changing for you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm learning a lot being appeered a peer, having somebody

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<v Speaker 3>talk to. Since Megan I got sick in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>I really had lost connectivity with my brothers with a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she had been literally my best friend everything,

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<v Speaker 3>the one person I talked to, and I haven't had

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<v Speaker 3>that in a long time until I got here and

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<v Speaker 3>started making friends and having mentors to talk to and

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<v Speaker 3>just building relationships again. I'm learning that I'm learning to

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<v Speaker 3>trust people again and having a love for one another

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<v Speaker 3>and faith in other people again.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your hope going forward.

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<v Speaker 3>To continue this, continue my faith, continue bettering myself, and

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<v Speaker 3>continuing to want to live a better happier life with

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<v Speaker 3>joy in every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, keep doing the work.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>As you can see with who you showed up to

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<v Speaker 2>the show with, it actually can work again, it can

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<v Speaker 2>happen and doesn't mean life doesn't have its moments because

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<v Speaker 2>we all we're all living life in a world that's

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<v Speaker 2>really broken. So we all have all that stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>goes on. But you can maintain one sobriety, you can

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<v Speaker 2>do that. But you can also maintain, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>an attitude and an outlook of hope and you know

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<v Speaker 2>some some happiness along the way. So keep following that

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<v Speaker 2>guy right there is he's a great example. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>great example of what can what can be done when

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<v Speaker 2>you do the work. Thank you, guys both for sharing

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of your story today. Really do appreciate it. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>wherever you listen to podcasts, just look for Road to

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great way to share our story with someone

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<v Speaker 2>who maybe needs us. And let's let's let's get that

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<v Speaker 2>story out there before they are standing in front of

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<v Speaker 2>a judge. Let's get that story out there, so help

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<v Speaker 2>us do that. PTSD USA dot org is the website,

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<v Speaker 2>and we thank you for joining us on Road to

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<v Speaker 2>Hope Radio. Look forward to being with you getting next

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<v Speaker 2>week for more of a Road to Hope.

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<v Speaker 5>Mama Jo