WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:07.639 on the iHeartRadio. 4 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:08.439 App live in Chicago. 5 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:12.199 Of course, for day four of the Democratic National Convention, 6 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.320 Vice President gets up there. She will accept a nomination today. 7 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:20.679 Before her speaking, we'll see Senators Bob Casey and Tammy Baldwin. 8 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.280 Also Alex Padilla, Elizabeth Warren, Mark Kelly, a couple of 9 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.679 governors are going to be up there, some members of Congress. 10 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:32.200 Interior Secretary Deb Holland if former Housing Secretary Marsha Fudge 11 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:34.000 will be up there, Boy, she's gonna bring that house 12 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:35.399 down yours. 13 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.799 You're dying on the fudge hill. Keep bringing that up. 14 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:40.320 You're like, it's fudge day. 15 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:41.439 It is a suge day. 16 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:44.960 So do you want fudge? Do you have a craving 17 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:45.479 for fudge? 18 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:46.920 You know what, last time I had fudge, I was 19 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:47.679 very disappointed. 20 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.520 Really yeah, I've got a great fudge place. 21 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.280 Sorry, I really do. 22 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:55.560 Though. 23 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.799 I know somebody locally in LA who makes homemade fudge 24 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:01.679 and it's except she makes it around the holidays. 25 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.359 It can be too rich, I would say that it 26 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:05.359 can be too rich. 27 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.400 She's got a great. She does it a real well, 28 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:10.560 real good job. I think she's a listener too. 29 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.120 Tonight when Vice President Harris is giving the keynote speech 30 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.640 tonight and the acceptance of the nomination, we are also 31 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.000 going to see Donald Trump doing a live play by 32 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.599 play on his truth social Yeah. 33 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.799 He's really taking up the mantle of the football analogy. 34 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.959 I don't think he likes the buzz that Tim Wall's 35 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.439 got last night for using all those football analogies. So 36 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.439 Donald Trump is saying, oh, you coached football. Sometimes he's 37 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.480 a semi coach, he's not even a real coach, and 38 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:41.799 then saying I will be doing live play by play. 39 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:43.400 And he wrote it in all caps on truth. 40 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:44.760 So she called him a lightweight. 41 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:48.959 Two guy is a lightweight. Lightweight shouldn't have access. And 42 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:52.239 for him to say about Project twenty five is disgraceful. 43 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.560 They know I have nothing to do with it. I 44 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.000 had no idea what it was. A group of people 45 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.319 got together, they drew up some conservative values, very conservative values, 46 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:04.359 and in some case perhaps they weren't over the line, 47 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.040 perhaps they didn't. I have no idea what Project twenty 48 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:07.439 five is. 49 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:11.759 Speaking of the football analogies, this was Governor Walls last 50 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:14.240 night after he accepted the nomination and gave a speech, 51 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:20.680 let me finished with this team they're calling him coach. 52 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:27.159 That's the fourth quarter. We're down a field goal, but we're. 53 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:28.639 On offense and we've got the ball. 54 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:34.319 We're driving down the field, and boy, do we have 55 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:35.599 the right team that. 56 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:37.520 Hits you right in the lizard brain? 57 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:38.599 I do it? 58 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:39.319 Does it? 59 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:40.039 Does you know this? 60 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:46.479 And I think a lot of independent voters may this 61 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.800 may benefit them when it comes to independent voters. When 62 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.719 you've got, like I said earlier, Michelle Obama bringing down 63 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.400 the house one night talking about how Donald Trump wants 64 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:58.680 to take a black job, and then you've got a 65 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:03.039 guy who's folksy football coach who speaks to a different population. 66 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.240 And I just think that that's going to play well 67 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.639 for them in those swing states. 68 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:10.319 Folks, that's a good I mean, that was the word 69 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:12.599 that I thought of last night while I was watching it. 70 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.520 Is he is? 71 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:16.039 He is that guy. 72 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.840 I mean, you see politicians try to be folksy by 73 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.639 saying things like listen, folks. Honestly, I mean look at 74 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.280 Gavin Newsom. He tries to be like down earth guy, 75 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:28.360 and it just it backfires for him. But this is 76 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.680 the actual guy like he is playing. He's not playing 77 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:32.240 a part here. 78 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.360 But is that going to be well, I don't know, 79 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.000 it's not going to be enough. We've talked or heard 80 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:42.120 discussion about also what he represents, and for some people, 81 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:47.080 especially probably Midwest women, younger women, they feel like they 82 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.000 lost their fathers, their uncles, et cetera when they went 83 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.800 and supported Donald Trump for president, and that this guy 84 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.800 represents that father figure who has more politics that fit 85 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:58.680 what they think. 86 00:03:58.719 --> 00:03:59.879 Perhaps I've heard. 87 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.039 That, rave I haven't heard anyone in real life say that. 88 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:06.800 What I would love is for people, if you're still 89 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.719 on the fence between Trump and Kamala Harris, I want 90 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:12.800 to know who those people are and where you're at 91 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:14.759 and what will do it for you, what will move 92 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:15.759 you one way or the other. 93 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.399 Well, and one of those things that may move people 94 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.839 is that RFK thing. Whatever happens on Friday. 95 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:21.839 I mean, I don't know. 96 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.120 I don't think that that's going to make an impact whatsoever. 97 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:29.360 I don't think he's got the numbers that will. And 98 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.000 I also think that his people are free thinking people. 99 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.000 Just because he if he endorses Trump, I don't know 100 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:39.040 if his people will automatically endorse Trump. Well, that's that's 101 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:40.000 not that personality. 102 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.920 There's a cadre of people who supported him because they didn't. 103 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:43.839 Want to support you exactly. 104 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.560 So jd Vance is on the campaign trailed down in Georgia, 105 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:48.959 and we'll come back. 106 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:50.399 We'll play a little bit of. 107 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:53.399 His sound from today where he went and hit back 108 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.879 at Governor Walls for that speech last night. 109 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.120 This is the counter. 110 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.879 Programming that they need, that Republicans need to try to 111 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.120 some of the headlines away from the DNC because this 112 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:07.319 is obviously sucking up all the all of the oxygen 113 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:09.519 in the room. These are the kinds of things that 114 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.120 jad Vance and Donald Trump are going to have to 115 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.879 do is make these headlines. We'll play for you some 116 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.480 of what he said today. Well, jd Vance said today 117 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:17.319 down in Georgia. 118 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.399 We are live in Chicago at the Democratic National Convention. 119 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.120 This is the final night, the big night, when Kamala 120 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.720 Harris will accept the nomination. There is a little bit 121 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:30.439 of buzz going on here and online as well as 122 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.680 to the blank placeholder for an event in one of 123 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:37.560 the spots on the agenda. 124 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:38.480 We don't know what it is. 125 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:39.439 We don't know what it is. 126 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.439 We don't know if it's a code word for Taylor 127 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:43.480 Swift a code word for Beyonce. 128 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.680 Both would prompt the same response when it comes to 129 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.079 preparation and security. 130 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:52.319 Yeah. 131 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.920 So we'll get to Jady Vans in just a little 132 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.279 bit in terms of some things that he set out 133 00:05:58.319 --> 00:05:59.519 on the campaign trail today. 134 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.399 But we have we have a guest that we'd like 135 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:01.920 to ring here. 136 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.560 Well, we have been looking for him this whole week. 137 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.000 We knew he was here. We know that he has 138 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:11.199 this new exciting venture to run for governor of California. 139 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.839 It is our old friend, mild friend, Antonio via Ragosa. 140 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.279 And John and Ken's old friend. 141 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:18.319 Of course. 142 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.079 Yes, I like I told you just now, they need 143 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.279 to write you a check for all you've done for them. 144 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:28.160 Tellent to write a check to my governor's race, you 145 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:28.519 know what. 146 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.519 I bet they will, just so that they have fodder 147 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.399 for Well, Ken's gone now, but just so John has 148 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.000 fodder for another four years. 149 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:36.879 Another four years. 150 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:38.560 So what prompted him about me? 151 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:38.920 Yeah? 152 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.720 I always had a smile on and not thin skinned. 153 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.720 Yeah right, yeah took it. I mean you took it. 154 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:45.560 You know, we miss you. 155 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.800 I think I like a lot of Democrats miss George 156 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:51.680 w I think a lot of people miss you as 157 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.800 mayor of Los Angeles after Garcetti and now Karen Karen 158 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.759 Bass ditched us. By the way, I may have run 159 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.319 a f I complimented her dress from the Olympics, and that. 160 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.439 Was my lead in. And now she won't talk to us. 161 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:07.480 You always have shocked for us. 162 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:11.079 Yes, I am so what launched? Like what started this 163 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:12.600 whole thing? To get back into it? 164 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.399 You know when you well, first of all, thank you 165 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.879 for having me on. I was walking out. We bumped 166 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.199 into each other and said, oh, we got to do 167 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:22.480 this interview. 168 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:24.240 Look. 169 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.920 A few years ago, I was on the ConA Nolan Show, 170 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.759 and I think I surprised everybody when I said I 171 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.000 was born and raised here. I've never seen the city 172 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:42.680 so dirty, homeless grow so fast, crime out of control. 173 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.199 It feels like Rome is burning and the city's adrift. 174 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.079 I felt like there was no leadership. And that was 175 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.639 a few years ago. And then I was asked to 176 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.720 be Governor Newsom's infrastructure advisor, and I went up and 177 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.000 down the state from the Oregon to the Mexican border, 178 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:04.199 and people said you need to come back. They said, 179 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.680 we're looking for a problem solver. You know, I'll tell 180 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.079 you something what I've liked about this convention. There's too 181 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:14.480 much screaming on both sides. I'm a Democrat, and you know, 182 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:18.120 unabashedly so, but I'm not a screamer. I like working 183 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:23.639 with people I like, you know, I know that people 184 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.199 have other views, that they're not made in my image, 185 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.879 and that when you work together, you get things done. 186 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.439 And that's why when I was speaker, I got two 187 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:34.399 budgets on time when we didn't have a supermajority. I 188 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:38.720 had forty two votes members one year, forty eight another. 189 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.840 I had to work with Republicans. We got two budgets 190 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.080 on time with a surplus, and invested more money and 191 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.519 education that we had previously. I did the same thing 192 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.320 as mayor. You know, I took on my friends from 193 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.159 time to time, not because I was looking for a 194 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.879 fight with my friends, but because I understood, you know, 195 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.159 in these jobs, you got to make the tough calls. 196 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.120 Sixty percent increase in the graduation rate, forty eight percent 197 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.399 drop in violent crime number one American city, and reducing 198 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:10.720 carbon emissions number five in the world. So I think 199 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.679 people are looking for people that don't just talk and 200 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.000 you know, I like to talk to We all do, 201 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.759 especially if you're a politician. But they want to do 202 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.440 they want to roll up their sleeves. I was joking 203 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.840 with one of my assistants. I said, you know, I'm 204 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.279 an eighteen hour day guy. Get up before you and 205 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.279 go to sleep after you. And that's what these jobs 206 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:29.840 are all about. 207 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:34.279 It's weird hearing somebody talk about policy and numbers here 208 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:36.200 at this movie that. 209 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:37.799 Has not yet used the word joy. 210 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:38.279 Yeah. 211 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.879 I haven't heard joyful warrior or anything, but I mean this, 212 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.440 This convention seems short on facts and figures and policy 213 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.759 and big party right yeah, yeah, so this is this 214 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:53.200 is refreshing. What is your what has been your takeaway here? 215 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:56.559 You'd agree with us, don't you? 216 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:02.320 That's okay to say it's our I like the joy part. 217 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:03.159 I like that. 218 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:08.799 I like what the admonition from Bill Clinton and Oprah 219 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.279 that those people are neighbors. 220 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.559 And I think we forget that. 221 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.399 You know, how many of us go to a Thanksgiving 222 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:22.360 dinner and have family members that have diametrically different views 223 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.120 in you, and you love them. They're good people, they 224 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.000 just don't agree with you. And I think if we 225 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.279 approach that so that part of it, I like, I 226 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:40.120 agree that, you know, we need to define Kamala Harris 227 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:43.679 before the other side does, and that's why they focused 228 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:45.960 on a lot of that because they know in a 229 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.879 couple of days, you know, somebody else is going to 230 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.200 define her. But you know, look, in the course of 231 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.960 this campaign, you're going to see more press conferences because 232 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:00.519 you got to have them, and more detail to the program. Remember, 233 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:04.559 she's part of the Biden Harris team. We know what 234 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:09.159 their politics were all about, we know what their policies 235 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.240 are all about. So it's not as if we don't 236 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.200 know what Democrats have for because we do. 237 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.120 Yeah, let's talk specifically about California and the legislature, and 238 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.440 you mentioned super majority. If you were to become governor, 239 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.399 is super majority with your party in power? Is that 240 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.679 the most optimal way for you to run a state 241 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:31.399 of California? 242 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.120 Or would you rather see. 243 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:35.639 Without campaigning for Republicans obviously because that's not going to 244 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.559 happen from you, But would you rather see a more 245 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.399 evenly split legislature so that work can be done with 246 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:44.240 a little bit more bipartisan work. 247 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:48.399 I actually would like to campaign for Republicans. I won 248 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:54.279 every vote not just a Democratic vote. But I recogniz 249 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.559 I'm not Pollyannish. I recognize that we've gotten. 250 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.759 So partisan, so polarized. 251 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:01.919 People see a D or an R in front of 252 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.519 your name and they just say, no, what I like, 253 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:12.600 you know, a more even legislature. If there was more 254 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.879 consonants in terms of our policies. 255 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.440 Sure, right now there's not. 256 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:23.919 I want to bring people to a results or in 257 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:25.080 the politic. 258 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.399 You know, people love to talk about fifth. 259 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:33.559 Largest economy in the world. How about highest effective poverty 260 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.720 rate in America? You know, how about too many people 261 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.799 you know work in every single day and don't. 262 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.879 Make enough to pay rent. 263 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.759 You know, it used to be that buying a house 264 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:50.399 was part of the American dream. 265 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:53.799 Now renting an apartment with three roommates. 266 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.720 Talk to my kids and everybody else. So yeah, I do. 267 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.639 I will try to work with the other side. I 268 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.200 don't think there's a problem with it. I'm proud of that. 269 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.600 When they asked me to be infrastructure advisor, the first 270 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.360 thing I did. Met with the speaker, met with the 271 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.039 pro tem, met with the two Republican leaders. They were 272 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:19.159 so surprised that I sat down with them and I 273 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.600 said infrastructures are not partisan. Man, Let's put people to work, 274 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.480 you know, Let's build rebuild our roads, in our highways 275 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:26.200 and our bridges. 276 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.279 So I think you're going to see somebody's going to 277 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:32.399 reach out. I think at first, you know, there's not 278 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:37.240 going to be a lot of folks running too my candidacy. 279 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.399 But I think over time, when people see I'm a nighter, 280 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:42.080 I want to work with everybody. 281 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:44.639 You know. Here's what I John and Cam. 282 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:48.159 We're on right now, live in Chicago. We're at United 283 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.120 Center for day four of the Democratic National Convention. The 284 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.799 big deal is that tonight Kamala Harris, vice President, will 285 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:58.960 accept the nomination and then give her big speech. But 286 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.480 we're talking with former La Mayor Antonio via Ragosa, the 287 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.080 governor's candidate or candidate for governor, just announced a short 288 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:06.440 time ago. 289 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.919 California is a cesspool. Okay, we're both from San Francisco area. 290 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.120 That was a shining city on that I mean, it 291 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.200 was a wonderful place. It was one of the best 292 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.159 toy It was a tourist destination. I don't go there anymore. 293 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:18.919 I don't want to go there. It's very I got 294 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:21.960 married there, like I love that city, but I don't 295 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.320 want to go there anymore because it's it's scary, frankly, 296 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.399 like the crazy people, the people on the fentanyl, the 297 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:32.080 open drug markets. I mean, I'm not being super conservative. 298 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:33.679 I'm saying what I see with. 299 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:34.279 My own eyes. 300 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.759 You know, Gavin Newsom comes to Los Angeles a few 301 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:40.120 weeks ago and he starts tearing down an encampment and 302 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:41.600 he's like, if you're not paying attention. 303 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:42.639 It's like, what are you talking about. 304 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.440 We're paying attention, We're living in it. You're not living 305 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.600 in it. So what's your plan to clean up the 306 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.000 cesspool that has become California? 307 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:57.720 You know what side talks constantly about we can't criminalize homelessness, 308 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.600 and I agree we can't, but we we can't have 309 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:02.679 the chaos we have today too. 310 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:04.720 Look, I've said. 311 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.600 As an example, you can't put a tent and an 312 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.360 encampment in front of a school because I know what 313 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:12.039 neighborhoods are going to go to them. 314 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:13.759 I know what neighborhoods are going to go. 315 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:15.120 So they're not going to go to the affluent and 316 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:17.759 they're going to go to the poor neighborhoods. Those kids 317 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:19.399 are going to have to walk in the street while 318 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.720 somebody is urinating, defecating. 319 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:23.600 Or taking drugs. 320 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.080 Yes, I want to build more housing because we know 321 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:33.919 building housing with wraparound services for the chronically homeless is 322 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:40.519 one of the solutions. More drug rehabilitation programs. But you 323 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:46.840 can't not refuse to go to rehabilitation, stay on the 324 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.639 street and say that there aren't going to be consequences 325 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.960 for it. So I'm not a criminalization person, but I'm 326 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.720 not for the chaos that you talked about either. 327 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.360 That's why I said a few years ago. 328 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.559 And let's be clear, I think Karen Bass has done 329 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:06.039 a really different job with respect to homeless and you 330 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.559 know her predecessor. Let's just be honest and so but 331 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.840 at the end of the day, I think we need 332 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:18.320 to cut red tape and permitting build more housing. You know, 333 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:20.519 I never was afraid to go to a town hall 334 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.200 where everybody would scream at me. 335 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:24.960 And sometimes, you know. 336 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:27.799 You think at first you'd say, wow, they don't like me, 337 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:31.559 and then when soon it's over, they're taking pictures with you. 338 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.279 And self and will you sign my hat? 339 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:33.960 Isn't it weird? 340 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:34.320 You know? 341 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.399 So it's like it's noise, man. 342 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.600 And what I noticed after all these years that I've 343 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:45.080 been involved, is like, do the right thing. It's not 344 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.879 always going to be popular. People be upset. But I'll 345 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.120 tell you what you just said. San Francisco's a great city. 346 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.240 Let's make it beautiful again. La is a great city. 347 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.080 Let's make it beautiful again. 348 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:01.320 What do you think about George Gascon? You know, I'll 349 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.559 be real clear, because it's bad. 350 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:04.839 La is bad right now. 351 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.119 Ellie County is lawlessness, I mean no law and order. 352 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:08.839 It's horrible. 353 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.279 And like you said, the homeless people are not going 354 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:13.480 to go to the affluent neighborhoods. Guess what the criminals 355 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:17.559 are going to wreak havoc on the most vulnerable citizens 356 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:18.240 in Los Angeles. 357 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:19.799 And that's what's happening under his reign. 358 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.160 I think we have a lot of things going. I 359 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:29.200 think it's a district attorney. I also think that it's 360 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:30.279 that we're. 361 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:32.440 Going to have to beef up some of our laws. 362 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.119 You know Prop forty seven I voted for. 363 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:40.319 It wasn't perfect. We can't be afraid when something's not 364 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.519 working to fix it. I'm not for thirty six. And 365 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:47.839 I'll tell you why you don't make change In my 366 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:49.839 opinion with a sledgehammer. 367 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.200 You make it with, you know, surgically. 368 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.039 So there are things we need to do, you know, 369 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:59.799 whether it's smash and grab, whether it's people that walk around, 370 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:04.640 rob you once, get out and then rob you again. 371 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.240 No, that is unacceptable. You know. Look, I was. 372 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.519 Doing criminal justice reform in the nineteen eighties and nineties 373 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:13.440 when I was president of the ACLU. 374 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.240 I believe in that we were incarcerating more. 375 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:21.559 People than anybody in the world per capita. But some 376 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.920 people belong there, and particularly people who are violent, you know, 377 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.880 who are sexual predators. There are people that belong in jail. 378 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.359 And this notion that, oh, you know those people can 379 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.720 be redeemed, Yes, some of them can. 380 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:39.680 But yes they're going to jail first. 381 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:42.480 And let me just say something else about that forty 382 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:44.799 eight percent drop in violent crime. We went from one 383 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.640 of the most dangerous big cities, more dangerous in Chicago, 384 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:48.880 to one of the safest. 385 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.799 How did we do it? More cops putting a. 386 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.319 Thousand cops on the street or close to a thousand, 387 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:59.559 but also kicking guns off the street. Prevention and intervention 388 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:04.240 program I expanded dramatically after school programs, summer youth Jobs, 389 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.359 summer night likes which you've gone to Shannon, So you 390 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:09.720 got to do all. 391 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:10.200 Of the above. 392 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:12.720 I want to do all of the above, not just 393 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:16.960 talk tough, be smart on crime. But let's be clear 394 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.519 about one thing. You got to be accountable for your actions. 395 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:22.799 And so that's what I think. 396 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.400 Describe the relationship between the mayor of a big city 397 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.680 like you were and the governor whoever it is at 398 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:29.559 the time, because you're going to be you want to 399 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:31.079 be on the other side of that. You want to 400 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.599 be the governor who helps out these you know, big 401 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.200