WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's gonna happen? 3 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:13.000 I'll take one? 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:27.079 What what's up? Everybody? Welcome to another head listen magical 5 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:29.320 mail bag. I got my co host Nick with me, 6 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:30.679 and Nick tell him what's up? 7 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:33.200 What else? What's going on? How are you sir? 8 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:36.439 Good? Good? What events? 9 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:37.799 Or you know? 10 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:39.240 Shows? A guy coming up? 11 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.439 Actually tonight after this, we were supposed to have on 12 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.359 Animal Expeditions. He was a podcast from Charlie's Beyond Belief. 13 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:51.640 There's another Bigfoot show. Unfortunately, uh, he had to cancel. 14 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:53.840 But we got Juliet because Cosmic Peach was going to 15 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.759 be in on this one. Uh, she's coming out and 16 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.039 uh she's pulling one for the team and she's going 17 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:03.000 to cover uh serial killers who thought they were vampires 18 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:05.359 with something that she covered on her show for Halloween. 19 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:08.000 I covered vampires for Halloween. So she was like, yoh, 20 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.359 let's just do this instead. So people wait till after 21 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.519 the fact, after the show, around nine o'clock, we will 22 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:15.719 go live again. So check that out. 23 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:20.480 Awesome, awesome, sounds like fun. We got to talk about 24 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.840 that because we don't have a van helsing on our side. 25 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:26.760 Yeah, you were just saying like you, we don't got 26 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:28.719 a van helsig, right. 27 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.200 I mean, come on, guys, let's let's get it together. 28 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:34.599 We need at least one vampire hunter. 29 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:35.120 You know. 30 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.200 But it really doesn't even take much. You just need 31 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:40.000 to show up, stick and some glic you know. Yeah, 32 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:42.120 you get to go and. 33 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.920 If these sickos are as baddy as they seem to be, 34 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.760 you know, you show up with a sharp stick and 35 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.239 they'll go running away. So it'll be a fun time. 36 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:57.400 That's up, Lucy Mancher, welcome back. But uh yeah, so 37 00:01:58.000 --> 00:01:59.959 let's see. Do you want to go first with your 38 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:01.879 symbol earlier? 39 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:04.120 Yeah, yeah, pull it up. Let's show. 40 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:07.359 But we got the uh so we got this seal 41 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:14.599 of the archangel Michael the Heptameron uh manual line when 42 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.000 that group when the Grimore talks about the angel of 43 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:21.080 the Lord's Day, you mean Michael. His emblem is the 44 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:25.759 Solomonic tradition. Uh. His emblem in the Solomonic tradition is 45 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:30.280 a circular seal. It's a round inscribed with divine names 46 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:33.439 on it. Like common ones are trying to pronounce, he 47 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:37.199 is the best saba alth, the Lord of hosts uh 48 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.439 Anthonatos or something like that I've screwing that up. Uh 49 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:45.439 no Athanatos or something like that. The immortal then there's 50 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.840 a should I or you know, ship s A D 51 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:52.400 A Y and then or it could be should I 52 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.280 s h A D D I A and uh yeah, 53 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.439 so you can get like those words around it, and 54 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.000 then in the middle you kind of get the sigil itself. 55 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.199 The manuscripts gives like slightly different drawings, but the grammar 56 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.919 normally stays the same. Michael's character is always in the center. 57 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.240 With the holy names around it as well. 58 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.919 And you can see a family of these drawings both 59 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.759 in the Heptameroon tradition and that is in the and 60 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:23.080 in the fifteenth century Munich Manual. 61 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.000 So in between both of those you'll see these again. 62 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:28.599 So go ahead, Is. 63 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.759 This fourteenth century and then it was modified in the 64 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:33.000 fifteenth century or is. 65 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.879 Yes, well, thirteenth fourteenth century in the liber. 66 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.759 Giatus if I'm saying that correctly, the Sowarm Book of 67 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:47.759 honoriusk that was the thirteenth fourteenth century, you will see 68 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.520 it there. So I mean, I would assume the one 69 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:55.120 in the fifteenth might be slightly different. I mean, you 70 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.759 could easily google this and see different ones but this 71 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:02.879 is like specifically from the Hepta metrom. 72 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:08.560 That I have. Interesting. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of 73 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.960 uh you know, uh sigils that look a lot like 74 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:16.399 the Anakian. Yeah, John, that's why I thought that's big 75 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:17.439 inspiration too. 76 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.240 Yeah, I mean it doesn't look too far off from 77 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.000 like a lot of times when you see like a fuck, I. 78 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:25.000 Forgot what it was. I just watched recently where like. 79 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.839 Oh the Prophecy. Uh you remember that movie, that old 80 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:34.439 movie I do. Yeah, guy, what's christ Christopher Walking was 81 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:34.720 in it? 82 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:35.720 Uh? 83 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.040 Yeah, he's playing arch angel Gabrielle. There was one point 84 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.240 where there was like angel you know, because they're angels. 85 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:41.920 This is what I thought it was funny too. I 86 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.240 was like, it's just a reason to show it called symbolism. 87 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.199 Somebody's supposed to be an angel and they're down in 88 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.759 the fucking cave hiding out. Like just because you're an angel, 89 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.680 that means you automatically start writing angelic script on the wall, 90 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:53.879 Like I mean, who you already writing a story to yourself? 91 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:55.279 Like you know what I'm saying. 92 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.439 Like, but there was showing ship to see all these 93 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.560 symbols on the wall because there's an angel here now 94 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:01.839 it looked like a lot of this type of stuff. 95 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:12.759 Actually you're still there, are you? 96 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:13.800 Beauted? Yeah? 97 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:17.000 Sorry, I'm oh okay, my bad, Yeah I was. I 98 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.000 have my notes up so I can't even see. But 99 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.399 uh yeah, let me continue on my notes. And where 100 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.680 it comes from the long backstory, uh, Byzantine and Latin 101 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:33.000 Grimore's hy grow mantea by wrong Elate Byzantine Magical Treaties 102 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.480 of Solomon is kind of where like all these spur 103 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.519 from or a lot of these later angelic magic circled 104 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:45.000 names this time supposedly a lot of them do possibly 105 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.600 come from that book. That material fed into Latin books 106 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.759 in the fifteenth century and set the stage for the 107 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.519 seals you see in the early modern europe Ones for 108 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.360 the most part. Then you go onto Liba Geratus, like 109 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:59.600 I just said, and you get the Sworn Book of 110 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:01.920 Us thirteenth or fourteenth century. 111 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:03.800 You already find some core. 112 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.879 You will see the consecrated seal inscribed with the divine 113 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:10.759 names and the angelic attributions that structures a conversation with 114 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:17.040 Heaven basically. And then you get by the fifteenth century 115 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:24.879 a section that calls Astro magic Manual inside the CLMA 116 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:25.480 four nine. 117 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:26.720 I don't even know what the fuck that is. 118 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.519 Sometimes, like when you get these manuscripts of shit that's 119 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.519 like owned in these places, like they have like ms 120 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.759 and then a number because it's you know, you're just 121 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:36.000 like classifying it like that. 122 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:37.839 It lays out the seals of. 123 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:42.720 The archangels explicitly, including a labeled one called Sigellum Michaelis 124 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:48.560 and Jelyi, and that same century turning ecosystem gives us 125 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:53.360 like the compact later known one as the Heptameroon, where 126 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:54.839 it kind of breaks it down to a seven day 127 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:57.839 angelic handbook, so it makes it, you know, And then 128 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:01.360 that is also attributed to some people have heard of him. 129 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.720 I've mentioned him on the show Pietro Diabano, and then 130 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.480 you also see it then going into a Grippa's work, 131 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.199 which we mentioned him on here numerous times. 132 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:12.360 Which is probably odds are list. 133 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:13.600 It might be a chance of the reason why I 134 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.800 looks Famillion is because it's probably in that book too, 135 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:16.759 and we've probably seen it. 136 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:19.680 Yeah, that's what. 137 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.120 Yeah, that makes a lot more sense, so you know, 138 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:25.120 then you have it going over to there again. 139 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:30.120 You know then who made it. They kind of considered 140 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:35.120 an anonymous a copy. They think it's kind. 141 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:39.040 Of obviously other ones are made, like they don't think 142 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.079 it's like the same person. Kind of like with the 143 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:44.000 other situation that I had with the last seal that 144 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.079 I used, they don't not seal, but like that, uh, well, 145 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.399 whatever the fuck that unicorn thing, I guess that's the seal. 146 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.120 It's kind of like suspected like to been like just 147 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.879 wasn't copied. It was just made by like multiple different 148 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.879 people would just draw it. But there's like they don't 149 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.160 know when they can't attribute it to exactly who they 150 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:04.160 think did it. 151 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:06.360 And how is it used? 152 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:11.199 Uh, it was normally to try to at least contact 153 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.399 or work with that angel, and normally it would be 154 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.639 done with the day in the planet's cycle. So again, 155 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:23.120 depending on how this person is attributing archangel Michael. 156 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:24.439 Let's say he's got them with Mars. 157 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.120 You're gonna do it on a Tuesday most likely, you 158 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.120 know all that shit, or if he's with the Sun, 159 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:36.240 you would do Sunday with Michael, and they would suggest 160 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.720 to open up with a praise, a divine praise, and 161 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:43.960 trace this trace the circle of names, burn the appropriate incense, 162 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:49.639 and display Michael seal and speak to contra conjurations. So 163 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.360 how the far back does Michael and magic go with 164 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:58.320 our angel, you know, magic with arch archangel Michael. Some 165 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:00.840 people will say that, depending on how you want to 166 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.600 look at it even goes back to the Greek magical papyri, 167 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:07.639 so you know, working with him, suppose he goes. 168 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.879 Back that far and I figured I just throw that 169 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:11.600 in there. 170 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:16.799 But uh yeah, it's basically about it for the most part. Again, 171 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:19.240 you'll see it here or then, like there's other versions. 172 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.480 I should have probably showed it where you see like 173 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:26.320 the circular disc type stuff going on, but that would 174 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.639 be more of like the solomatic if people know what 175 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.080 we're talking about, like Goetia Goetic looking almost. 176 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.480 Right, So you've got the standard Goetic setup as your 177 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.720 altar and your your circle and your summoning and all 178 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.039 the rest of that. They describe it pretty well in 179 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:42.639 that book, and then you can use a lot of 180 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:46.519 these other sort of plug and play applications. There's a 181 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.879 lot of you know, if you think about it, like 182 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.159 you're trying to program the basic nature of the universe. 183 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.879 So these are supposed to be you know, applicable to 184 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:02.360 anybody that picks them up supposedly. But yeah, that's interesting. 185 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:04.559 I like it a lot. 186 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:06.519 Yeah, Like. 187 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:11.519 It seems like there was a magical language going on 188 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.159 within these scribe places, within all these monks, like all 189 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.480 these monasteries. They're the ones doing the transcribing of all 190 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.879 of these different works. They're the ones that have access 191 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.240 to these different magical books. They kind of sit on 192 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:29.759 the back shelves, and then these monks get into that stuff, 193 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:33.200 and that's when you start to see demons big summoned 194 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:34.759 and all the rest of this stuff happening. 195 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:40.039 Is real quick too, just just because I just realized 196 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:41.840 I forgot I had the notes of the screen. I 197 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.279 forgot just four sigils on here. It's the bottom one 198 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.440 that's actually the archangel Michael. When I'm sorry, there's all 199 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:49.559 those other ones on the screen, that's that bottom one 200 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.200 that is the one different. So it's getting turned into 201 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.200 the disc when it's written linear kind of like that. 202 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.639 That is that's his archangel Michael. 203 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:04.279 Interesting, and so that's Latin, right, So they're they're putting 204 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:08.639 the Latin phrases to Kondrum up around these different schedules. 205 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:14.200 It's interesting, you know, they had to go with Latin. Yeah, 206 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:16.039 Latin's the magical language. 207 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.799 Oh you know how many It's like almost any person 208 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.440 that I really have ever covered them. Most people have 209 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.039 covered on the show that were very important. I probably 210 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:25.000 ninety eight percent of them. 211 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.960 Old. It's been written in Latin, all of it. 212 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:34.000 Well for the go PGM, or it got translated it 213 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.480 was Hebrew or got translated into Latin, and then it 214 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:41.840 spurred off the Renaissance, you know, right right, Well in 215 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:46.000 the PGM, they've got all of these phrases and Hebrew 216 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.679 words from the Bible in that book. So in the 217 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.480 Headless Right or the Bornless Ritual, they have all this 218 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.519 stuff about Abraham and it's like, this is clearly not 219 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.399 an Abraham expell what are you guys doing here? And 220 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.399 this was in the second century, so it wasn't even 221 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:08.039 before Christianity was mandatory. So I think the way that 222 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.360 they were selling all of this stuff and you know, 223 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.080 having all this Jewish you know, magical stuff in their 224 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.399 spell work was that this is the magical language. And 225 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:21.679 that's how it was being sold to all the magicians 226 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:25.679 back then. So it wasn't just you know, the Christians 227 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.240 that were spreading it. It was all of these magicians 228 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.759 that were using the Hebrew words as some sort of 229 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:35.120 a magical sigil, which I thought was kind of interesting 230 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.159 because it's like all this stuff from the Bible immediately 231 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:42.960 gets transferred over to magical texts. How's that work out? Well, 232 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:44.480 I think they were marketing it like. 233 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:44.879 That, you know. 234 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:50.159 Oh yeah, I mean that's even I even say, with marketing, 235 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:52.879 you've got a lot of people, even say, when it 236 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.039 comes to some gromos, yes, even, I mean some of 237 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.240 you could basically just toss out the window because most 238 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:59.360 of them were just marketing schemes to rich motherfuckers. 239 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.200 It didn't know what the hell were reading right. 240 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.480 Right. There's a lot of like mystique that goes along 241 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.600 with magical spells and stuff that if you can kind of, 242 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.120 you know, put that into the conscious mind of all 243 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.960 these people around you, you can really start to have 244 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.559 sway with them if you speak that language, if you 245 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:21.960 know these incantations and what not, because you know, it's 246 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:25.360 not just superstition, something else is going on. I think 247 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.240 there is a transfer of energy, and the words you 248 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:32.000 use represent a part of that energy as well. So 249 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:37.360 I got my symbol here, Oh what do you think 250 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:38.559 of that? 251 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:39.120 That's nice? 252 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.919 Just a general impression, it. 253 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:43.879 Looks familiar, but I don't think I've seen it. 254 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:51.679 So the Greeks had the conception that the breezes, right, 255 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:56.639 were born from Eos, and Eos is their goddess of 256 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.639 the dawn, and so this is the aura. So these 257 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.559 would be the spirits of the morning, born of Eos, 258 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:10.000 that are these morning breezes. But this is also where 259 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:15.559 we get the word aura, right, So the aurora aura, 260 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:22.279 the place between you know, sun up and nighttime has 261 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.480 the most aura. Like if you're doing aura viewing at 262 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:27.840 that time, that's when you can see it all really 263 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:32.879 crisp and clear on that really early blue light. It's 264 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.919 really kind of interesting to me that their symbol for 265 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:41.919 those morning breezes is aura or the aura, right, So 266 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.519 these would be the spirits of these these morning things. 267 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.159 I'm obsessed with the dawn in ora viewing, and so 268 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:52.639 you know, I see that, and I'm like they were 269 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.639 onto something. They were listening to something, because they got it. 270 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.919 They nailed it good. And she was also the mother 271 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.879 of the four winds from you know, the classical direction, 272 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.919 So like you were talking about archangel Michael, he would 273 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:10.679 be the wind of the West. I believe right here. 274 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.240 Or maybe south with fire. I don't know, it depends 275 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:14.240 on how people look at him. 276 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:17.320 Probably south with fire. 277 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:22.080 That's how he would be if I remember correctly. In the. 278 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.360 Sorry, hold on say the less evanishing ritual, the pentogram 279 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.440 his associated. He would be associated with the fire in south. 280 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.159 Yes, yes, sorry, had a picture in my head. 281 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.519 Well, I was listening on Glitch Glitch Bottle, one of 282 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.759 my favorite podcasts on magic and stuff. This guy was 283 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:45.159 talking about his solomonic magic experience. 284 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:47.480 If you're trying to get that guy on now, thank you. 285 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.519 Well, he was talking about how he always does the 286 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.879 summoning ritual for the four Winds before he does any 287 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:01.279 other solomonic ritual because he finds that by summoning these 288 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.799 spirits at the four winds before he does anything else, 289 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.159 that it gets to where it's going a lot better 290 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.840 and easier than if he's doing it without that. So, 291 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.360 if you're going by the spirit model of magic, by 292 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.639 bringing in the four Winds or these you know, early 293 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:21.000 morning spirits, if that happens to be the time of 294 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.399 day that you're doing it at, you're actually increasing the 295 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:28.159 communicative ability between what you're saying and the spirits that 296 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:32.480 you're trying to get your messages to. So I think 297 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.480 that's kind of interesting because you know, you've always got 298 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.080 these messenger spirits like. 299 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:43.360 The well even angels, the messages. There's always yet you 300 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.879 ever noticed that there's always somebody making a delivery in 301 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:49.759 these stories. So somebody got some Yeah, always a traveler. 302 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.879 Absolutely. So that's my uh, that's my symbol. Did you 303 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:56.600 have anything else? 304 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.960 No? No, No, is she? Uh? What does she she like? 305 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.480 You said, I don't know why I get this idea 306 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.599 of wind with her. I don't know. 307 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:09.240 Yeah, she's holding up like a head thing, a head 308 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.920 scarf for some sort of scarf, and it's billowing with 309 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:12.400 the wind. 310 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:12.799 Yeah. 311 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.160 Like that, even that would go with like, you know, 312 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:19.319 traveling in my opinion, wind air intelligence, sailing. 313 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:24.279 Yeah, I mean you're going everywhere on wind. Right. And 314 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:30.119 then there was in the story of the Odyssey, right, 315 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:31.960 he had the bag with the four winds in it 316 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.160 and he was handed that by Aolis and Aolis is 317 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.759 the master of the four winds, and that's how we moved, 318 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:42.759 you know, halfway across the uh Mediterranean. No time is 319 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:47.680 he used that bag with the four winds. Something interesting? 320 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.759 But I think there is a lot of magical context 321 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.960 to the stories of you know, the Odyssey and the Iliad. 322 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:58.839 We've got the you know, the fatal wound with Achilles 323 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:01.799 being in the ankle, and then we find all throughout 324 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:04.359 these occult symbols there's something having to do with the 325 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:08.240 ankle as being the weak spot, or maybe the ankle 326 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:12.000 is is touching something else. Like we were seeing the 327 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.480 the lady what was her name, the strength card, right, 328 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:24.079 she's got her heel on top of the lion. Yeah, yeah, 329 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:31.039 there's a lot. And what's with that hand position too, 330 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.240 Like is there something magical about the hand position that 331 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:38.920 she's made. She's got the two last fingers up right, 332 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:41.160 and she's sort of gripping it. That's kind of interesting. 333 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.279 I think there's a lot of times, this is my opinion, 334 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.039 what's going on with the legs in the hands are 335 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:50.000 very important? Something up I have the life of me. 336 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:52.519 I can't figure out the leg shit. I don't even 337 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.359 know where to go with that's I don't know, it's 338 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:56.880 very weird for me. I don't know how to figure 339 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:57.440 that shit out. 340 00:18:58.519 --> 00:18:58.680 Well. 341 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.160 I was thinking a little bit about Berchief, right, and 342 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:07.839 Gerdjieff is trying to get your body into different geometric shapes. Right, 343 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.960 So in the act of changing the planes of relationship 344 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:16.200 from your body to other parts of your body, you're 345 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:20.720 actually changing something fundamental about your being. So there's some 346 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:26.599 kind of a shifting consciousness as well, which could have 347 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.880 to do like all the symbols that you have to 348 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.039 do with the Golden Dog. You know. Yeah, they're changing 349 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:36.079 your body's geometry so that you can, you know, experience 350 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:47.720 a different or slightly modified form of consciousness. I'm checking 351 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:49.839 in before you go to the mill. 352 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:53.920 I do have Giadanno Bruno Part one dropping tomorrow from 353 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:58.440 here nine to thirty am. Then part two will drop 354 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:02.359 next week at nine thirty the as well. He is 355 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:03.839 a very interesting man. 356 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:04.279 Uh. 357 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.160 He is also a Gnostic saint. Believe it or not. 358 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:09.720 I have actually covered a bunch of Gnostic saints. I 359 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:12.279 just never announced it like that, but uh, yeah, you've 360 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:15.440 actually gotten a lot of Gnostic saints covered, and they'll 361 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:21.400 be covering more. He's also uh you know my opinion, 362 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:23.799 the reason well it is the reason why or he's 363 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:25.799 the first person to come out publicly, you know, known 364 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.799 publicly on the books of saying this the more for 365 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:31.680 the most part, the reason why we even believe in 366 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:34.960 other planets having life out there besides our solar system 367 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.000 comes from this man who was burnt at the steak. 368 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.880 Now it was not necessarily burnt at the steak for 369 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.119 that reason. Uh, they pretty much, you know, accused him 370 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.640 of heresy. Uh, just everything that you pretty much could 371 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.720 have done to get fucked by the Vatican then. But 372 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:55.000 that was one of the claims, you know, even like 373 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.759 Alilo to get screwed for his way of looking at 374 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:03.119 the planets until later, so like you know, Brunos, you know, 375 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.880 it didn't really they didn't impact that, but his other beliefs, 376 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.200 and it really wasn't anything crazy. 377 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:08.880 He was just. 378 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:10.839 Saying, like I just think you're a little bit wrong, 379 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:14.119 you know, like his big thing, and you know it's 380 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:14.640 so funny. 381 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:16.599 I was like, Yo, this motherfucker was really no. 382 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.400 Difference in like this show at times or even us. 383 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.440 It's just like he would just come out like he'd 384 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.480 find a new place to live at and I guess 385 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.680 somebody would come out, like some philosopher or somebody that's 386 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:30.920 like known or academic would come out and say something 387 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.559 that he thinks was just completely absurd and then would 388 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:35.640 spend the time to publish the paper and say that 389 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.440 when most people wouldn't, so they're just like, oh my god, 390 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:40.880 this guy's crazy, you know. So it was a lot 391 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.359 of even to that he was just publicly acknowledging or 392 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.480 he would call people like courteous pigs or they're just 393 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:46.839 basically idiots. 394 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:48.279 And I guess he didn't like that. 395 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.599 So that was actually what caused a lot of the problem, 396 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:52.359 was just his disagreements and certain things. 397 00:21:53.680 --> 00:22:02.240 Right, a lot of modern scientists will call themselves members 398 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.640 of the religion of Giordano Bruno. 399 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.799 People have no idea how influential that guy is and how. 400 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:13.039 Many I mean if you read his stuff and you 401 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.799