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Speaker 1: I'm Dehlia. I'm one of your hosts, here to take
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Speaker 1: Exquisite Beach.
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Speaker 1: We are here to talk silster wives, hoody. We are
Speaker 1: currently in season nine and we are in the adoption
Speaker 1: journey of it, all of it all never ending story,
Speaker 1: real God anyway, So we look forward to the recap.
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Speaker 2: The only thing that was like juicy in this episode
Speaker 2: I knew it about Mary, Yes, like just every time
Speaker 2: the camera flashed to her, and she's all looking sad
Speaker 2: and weird and distant, hiding her phone, hiding her phone,
Speaker 2: checking it the second she gets a notification, even while
Speaker 2: she's on camera, like that was it. That was the
Speaker 2: only thing that was good.
Speaker 1: Everything else is mine. I was also noticing, my takeaway,
Speaker 1: I was noticing Leon and the tension that is clearly
Speaker 1: present between Leon and Mary, because remember Leon at this
Speaker 1: time is clowin Mary and understands what Mary is doing,
Speaker 1: and I think Leon is actually warning Mary like, Mom,
Speaker 1: this is a bad idea. What are you doing. Mary
Speaker 1: doesn't listen to Leon, and obviously she ends up getting
Speaker 1: into trouble. Speaking of Leon's side bar, Yeah, have you
Speaker 1: seen the two, I think two little instagram reels that
Speaker 1: they did. The first one was a reel in which
Speaker 1: Leon said something like, it's time for me to tell
Speaker 1: my story. Yeah, you know, there's a lot that's happened
Speaker 1: to me. It's my story and I'm going to tell it.
Speaker 1: And of course everybody was like, oh my god, please,
Speaker 1: we have been waiting for anybody to come out and
Speaker 1: tell us the truth. And then within a week there's
Speaker 1: another Instagram reel of Leon saying something like not a celebrity.
Speaker 1: Don't just come up to me and say hi, thanks.
Speaker 1: I was like, Jesus, Leon, you just can't help yourself.
Speaker 2: I saw that one, and then I saw like an
Speaker 2: article I think that they were featured in where they
Speaker 2: said something like, you know, everybody who's pressing me to
Speaker 2: release more tea is just like too pushy and it's
Speaker 2: so inconsiderate. And I'm like, okay, but then don't make
Speaker 2: them real spill some tea that.
Speaker 1: You're going to spill some tea. And also in the
Speaker 1: comment sections, which are really popping off, especially in the
Speaker 1: comment section of Reality t Squad, Oh because she posted
Speaker 1: about this and she's not happy with Leon. But somebody
Speaker 1: is saying in these comment sections that Leon is the
Speaker 1: founder of their own fan club. What do you mean
Speaker 1: Leon started a fan club for themselves? Shut up? And
Speaker 1: I think I think that Leon's actually charging for the
Speaker 1: flu I think so, so that's this is just like
Speaker 1: shadow chatter that I'm seeing online. I have no idea
Speaker 1: as to the veracity of these claims, but like, can
Speaker 1: you imagine the audacity of a person who would make
Speaker 1: these statements about themselves? Yeah, start their own fan club
Speaker 1: and then be upset that people want to come up
Speaker 1: and say, how.
Speaker 2: Are you doing? Lee? My god, I saw you on TV.
Speaker 1: I love you so much. That is how Dario cringe.
Speaker 1: Do not say hi to me?
Speaker 2: I was laughing at the Reddit comments underneath that post
Speaker 2: of Leon saying like, don't talk to me if I'm
Speaker 2: in public, like I'm just the person. And somebody somebody
Speaker 2: commented and was like, I've seen Leon in public multiple
Speaker 2: times and I never thought to say because I never
Speaker 2: want to say hi to this person, because I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to neither.
Speaker 1: No, but in this season, season nine, and in subsequent
Speaker 1: seasons and all the way through to twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: Leon is still a miserable, spoiled and tatold person. Totally,
Speaker 1: nothing much as changed, No, not at all.
Speaker 2: And then like when we get to the Catfish episodes
Speaker 2: and stuff, Leon is so mad at Mary and is
Speaker 2: such a bitch to her. I'm just like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, which I kind of love, yea.
Speaker 1: But Leon was terrible for sure, Yeah, very very hateful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the sidebar. Did you guys see
Speaker 1: or hear that? What are your thoughts? If you're on YouTube,
Speaker 1: please drop into the comments and let us know how
Speaker 1: you feel about that. But without further ado, let's get
Speaker 1: into this week's recap of Sister Wives Season nine, Episode.
Speaker 2: Nine, and Judge decides, My god, oh my god. The
Speaker 2: whole episode is literally just Robin being like, I'm sovere
Speaker 2: and Cody being like, I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You never know because we're polygamists, and we are always
Speaker 1: persecuted for being polygamists. And I don't know of any
Speaker 1: judge they would ever value my family. My family. I'm
Speaker 1: sick of it, and I'm.
Speaker 2: So sick of that. I'm sick. So we start off
Speaker 2: the episode with the family, the adults heading to the
Speaker 2: lawyer's office because they're going to.
Speaker 1: Discuss the lawyer.
Speaker 2: Going to discuss the adoption and that, like we go
Speaker 2: and see this lawyer multiple times to talk about it,
Speaker 2: and it's just stupid, like little cybar conversations. There were
Speaker 2: like some morsels. So in this first scene, they're talking
Speaker 2: about how the adoption is going to be held in
Speaker 2: the courtroom and the whole family can be there, and
Speaker 2: you know, the judge might take Date in back into
Speaker 2: his chambers to talk to him privately, So just be
Speaker 2: aware of that because he's fifteen. Even though it literally
Speaker 2: doesn't happen, it's not even an issue. And then we
Speaker 2: hear from Mary talking to the camera about her conflicting
Speaker 2: emotions that happened right after the legal divorce. She looks
Speaker 2: very sad and weird and distant. She feels very disconnected
Speaker 2: from not just Cody, but like the whole family. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you have that contrasted with Christine, who's like
Speaker 2: oddly very emotional and very supportive. You have Janelle who's
Speaker 2: also a little emotional and excited about this whole process,
Speaker 2: and obviously Cody and Robin rr. But Mary, no, don't
Speaker 2: give no fux.
Speaker 1: She is already checked out.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: You can already tell that she is rewriting the divorce
Speaker 1: situation to give her some sort of ammunition to continue
Speaker 1: the pursuit of her relationship with Sam. Like, yeah, when
Speaker 1: she talks about her conflicted feelings about the divorce, like
Speaker 1: you can really see to me, you can really see
Speaker 1: on her face. Oh, you're already somewhere else, Honney, You're
Speaker 1: already in your mind with another man.
Speaker 2: And like, you know, I can understand that to an
Speaker 2: extent because we know now that like after the legal divorce,
Speaker 2: Cody essentially moved out and stopped talking to her.
Speaker 1: And previous to the divorce, had promised her if she
Speaker 1: did this, if she did the divorce, he was going
Speaker 1: to spend more time with her, they were going to reconnect,
Speaker 1: they were going to get their marriage back on track.
Speaker 1: And then just ghosted her.
Speaker 2: Ghoster, completely stopped touching her, stopped being affectionate, so like
Speaker 2: Mary was totally abandoned. I don't necessarily condone cheating, obviously,
Speaker 2: I don't condone an emotional affair when you're in a
Speaker 2: marriage or whatever. But in this circumstance with Mary and Cody,
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, you can see why she ended up
Speaker 2: that way and why she's kind of talking about her
Speaker 2: conflicting emotions. I thought that this scene was really interesting
Speaker 2: at the beginning because the lawyer is talking to all
Speaker 2: of the adults, but mainly pointed at Cody and Mary
Speaker 2: about divorce in general and how he sees so many
Speaker 2: couples come into his office getting divorced and then they'll
Speaker 2: come back a couple years later getting remarried because they
Speaker 2: reconnected with each other, and the camera pans to Cody
Speaker 2: and Mary and they're both just like not.
Speaker 1: Interested, never gonna happen.
Speaker 2: It's never gonna happen, and like, of course we're framing
Speaker 2: this whole thing back then of like no, like we're
Speaker 2: legally divorced, but we're still married, we still love each other,
Speaker 2: but you know, they're essentially done with their marriage. Yes, entirely, Yes,
Speaker 2: like it's just what it is. And then we shift
Speaker 2: gears a little bit. We have Maddie announcing to the
Speaker 2: parents that she's dating Caleb Brush Yes, and apparently she
Speaker 2: started telling Janelle first, then she told Christine and Cody.
Speaker 2: She specifically pointed out that she wanted to tell them
Speaker 2: first before Mary and Robin because Christine has done so
Speaker 2: much for her, and obviously Janelle is her mom, and
Speaker 2: she wanted to give them this gift because they were
Speaker 2: her parents.
Speaker 1: They're actual parents. Fuck Mary and Robin right exactly.
Speaker 2: But she tells them, and she's kind of cryptic at first,
Speaker 2: like well you know, and they're like who, and she's like,
Speaker 2: it's Caleb. And they're all super happy and supportive and excited.
Speaker 2: And then Mary and Robin come by and they're also
Speaker 2: happy and supportive and excited.
Speaker 1: And Mattie does tell us that this romance with Caleb
Speaker 1: started when Curtis Brown, Cody's brother passed. Yeah, Cody's brother,
Speaker 1: Curtis was married to Caleb's sister, which is how the
Speaker 1: families knew each other. The family, the Brown family loves Caleb,
Speaker 1: thinks Caleb's great. But I did look up. I did
Speaker 1: have to go on the Google and start inappropriately looking
Speaker 1: up when did Curtis Brown pass Because Mattie tells the
Speaker 1: story of actually being in the hospital. I think ar
Speaker 1: aber when Curtis was passing, and that's when she remembers
Speaker 1: talking to Caleb, and then they continued to talk for
Speaker 1: a period of time and then at some point he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's something here right are you feeling it? And then
Speaker 1: he locks her down. So in twenty thirteen, when Curtis
Speaker 1: Brown passes, Maddie is seventeen years old, so she's seventeen
Speaker 1: years old when she has this interaction. I think in
Speaker 1: the er with Caleb, sounds like they talk for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. So seventeen eighteen nineteen, which puts us
Speaker 1: in the timeline for season nine. She's in college and
Speaker 1: it just feels like to me, and I don't mean
Speaker 1: to be inappropriate. But it feels like to me like
Speaker 1: he waited for her to turn eighteen, well yeah, and
Speaker 1: then made his move on her totally. Was he grooming her.
Speaker 2: A little bit? I don't think, because I think he's.
Speaker 1: What they say, he's ten years old or so. If
Speaker 1: she's eighteen here or nineteen, so he's twenty eight or
Speaker 1: twenty nine, he's almost he's your age. That's how oldly
Speaker 1: he's old.
Speaker 2: Head, And like, I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine dating is seventeen year old?
Speaker 2: No, that's like a child to me. That's like a
Speaker 2: child to me. But I just I don't know. I
Speaker 2: look at them and I'm like, well, they're in like
Speaker 2: a happy marriage.
Speaker 1: I know what, like you have we have to talk
Speaker 1: about this. So she was still living with Janelle when
Speaker 1: she was seventeen or so when Gardis dies. So was
Speaker 1: she having these conversations with Caleb? Did Janelle know this
Speaker 1: entire time? Janelle doesn't seem to me in this scene
Speaker 1: to be surprised at all by this information. Of course
Speaker 1: she heard it before anybody else. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just trying to do my due diligence and
Speaker 1: address the potentially inappropriate origins of the Caleb and Maddie
Speaker 1: love story. But I agree, he seems like a great guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're together all these.
Speaker 2: Years later, right, and they seemed normal.
Speaker 1: We got kats. God bless, God bless. But it is
Speaker 1: a little iffy.
Speaker 2: It's a little as a little s us But it's
Speaker 2: like when I was in high school, I knew girls
Speaker 2: who were dating thirty year olds, like and obviously that's
Speaker 2: gross and that's territory and weird, but like, I just
Speaker 2: feel like it's more common than we think.
Speaker 1: Probably especially in the Mormon community.
Speaker 2: Yes, and things like that, and that's gross and weird,
Speaker 2: but we're happy for Maddy and Caleb, I guess. And
Speaker 2: then we go over to Robin's house. This is where
Speaker 2: we have a little conversation with Dayton because he's fifteen
Speaker 2: and they have to let him know since you're this old,
Speaker 2: you have to sign your own paperwork because you have
Speaker 2: autonomy and you're allowed to make this decision. And the
Speaker 2: judge basically just wants to make sure that you are
Speaker 2: aware of what you are agreeing to and everything. And
Speaker 2: it feels kind of like Robin is like coaching Dayton,
Speaker 2: yes on how to feel about it and what to
Speaker 2: say and you know, how to appear to the judge.
Speaker 2: And Dayton is very matter of fact, and I feel
Speaker 2: like he's kind of repeating some things that maybe Robin
Speaker 2: had told him, just you know. He's like, well, it's fine,
Speaker 2: it's just legal paperwork, like it's okay.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he say at some point that he's confused?
Speaker 2: He does. At one point he says, I think it
Speaker 2: was to the camera. He says there's a lot of
Speaker 2: mental stuff with the paperwork that he's like trying to
Speaker 2: deal with, and I don't know. Cody asks him, like,
Speaker 2: but are you okay with it though, like you want
Speaker 2: to get adopted? And Dayton hesitates and is like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of those like little moments. He does
Speaker 2: say he's like confused. He does say that it feels weird,
Speaker 2: but ultimately he's happy about it because Cody's his dad
Speaker 2: and he wants to be adopted. And that's where I
Speaker 2: feel like Robin was coaching him on his actual feelings
Speaker 2: because he's only fifteen, so you don't you don't really
Speaker 2: know how to articulate your emotions at that age at all,
Speaker 2: and especially with something as complicated as this. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I kind of felt bad for him a little.
Speaker 1: I do too, and we've said it all along, and
Speaker 1: I will say again, I just I don't think that
Speaker 1: he's as reconciled with this adoption or to this adoption
Speaker 1: as Robin would like us to believe that he is.
Speaker 1: I think he has things that he's thinking about. Yes,
Speaker 1: when he's talking about like the mental load of the
Speaker 1: process of the adoption, like, I'm sure that's a lot
Speaker 1: for a teenager to handle, but there's the added component
Speaker 1: of but that's my dad, and I love my dad
Speaker 1: and I miss my dad and I want my dad
Speaker 1: that he probably doesn't feel safe to actually say on camera,
Speaker 1: much less to Robin and Cody. Yeah, directly, so I
Speaker 1: really feel for him. Whereas Aurora is buying it hook
Speaker 1: line and sinker and Brionna is too young to know
Speaker 1: what's going on. You still have Dayton though, firstborn son
Speaker 1: to Preston, who's got some reservations, and we're really not
Speaker 1: doing the work we should be doing to try and
Speaker 1: take care of Dayton in this moment. We're just pushing
Speaker 1: him into it and pushing him through it.
Speaker 2: And they said that it's only been five years that
Speaker 2: Robin has been in the family and like been with Cody,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like thinking, Okay, when you look at Dayton,
Speaker 2: Aurora and Brionna's ages, that means that day and had
Speaker 2: the majority of the time with their dad, he had
Speaker 2: over ten years or whatever, and then he got with
Speaker 2: or Robin got with Cody. But like Aurora and Brianna
Speaker 2: were young enough that their reactions kind of make sense,
Speaker 2: whereas with Dayton, he's definitely trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: he actually feels. And I'm wondering it just gives credence
Speaker 2: to like the conspiracy theory that we have now where
Speaker 2: Dayton is moved out of the house and potentially with Preston,
Speaker 2: who knows.
Speaker 1: Well, he's not appearing on the show anymore, whereas Brianna
Speaker 1: and Aurora are still showing up. So one does have
Speaker 1: to wonder if you know, he's made contact with his father.
Speaker 1: I wonder where he is. I don't see him on
Speaker 1: social media, yeah, which I think is very smart, So
Speaker 1: I just wonder what's going on. I just wish him.
Speaker 2: Well me too, And I want to be sensitive about
Speaker 2: the whole adoption thing because I know there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people that have been adopted by step parents and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I honestly think that that's great. It's just this
Speaker 2: circumstance with Cody and Robin, it just feels very achy.
Speaker 2: And I just I really feel bad for Dayton too,
Speaker 2: because he's got aspergers and stuff, and so I'm just like,
Speaker 2: if Robin is really manipulating him, like that's so diabolical
Speaker 2: and evil. And so then we head to the lawyer's
Speaker 2: office with Dayton to go and sign the paperwork, and
Speaker 2: the lawyer's kind of not really coaching him, but just
Speaker 2: explaining to him what the procedures about and like what
Speaker 2: this really means. And when he signs his paperwork, you know,
Speaker 2: Cody is going to be your legal father. He's going
Speaker 2: to be liable for you. Like are you going to
Speaker 2: be okay with that? And of course Dayton's just like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fine, this is just legal. He's he's looking at
Speaker 2: this in a very like analytical objective way. He's kind
Speaker 2: of disconnecting from the emotionality of it. And it's probably
Speaker 2: for the best, because this is a very emotionally complex thing,
Speaker 2: especially when you're a teenager.
Speaker 1: Well, and he hasn't been given permission to feel how
Speaker 1: he feels. Yes, I don't think not at all.
Speaker 2: And then he does say to the camera when he's
Speaker 2: signing this document, it does feel like he's stepping into
Speaker 2: adulthood and to maturity, like I'm making this decision for myself,
Speaker 2: and I do think that that's fair and valid. I
Speaker 2: wonder how he feels about it now as an actual adult,
Speaker 2: and how he would reflect back on that, because if
Speaker 2: it were me, I would feel a little weird about it.
Speaker 2: And then of course Robin takes photographs of him signing
Speaker 2: the paperwork because she's got to memorialize everything. And then
Speaker 2: we have Cody ending the segment by saying something like
Speaker 2: Dayton doesn't understand in this moment how important this actually is.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it's an interesting statement to make. So
Speaker 2: if he doesn't understand how important it is, how can.
Speaker 1: He understand what he's actually doing legally exactly?
Speaker 2: Just feels weird to me. And then the rest of
Speaker 2: the episode is like the family getting ready to go
Speaker 2: to court and talk about how they're nervous about it,
Speaker 2: and then getting dressed and actually heading to the courthouse.
Speaker 2: And then we get to the courthouse and there wasn't
Speaker 2: a lot here other than the same old poligabusts never win,
Speaker 2: and the judge could say no, right, and we could
Speaker 2: be denied. And this is a big.
Speaker 1: Dough and I got to make sure that my kids
Speaker 1: are dressed appropriately like they're a Sunday best for the
Speaker 1: most important day of their lives. There was that kind
Speaker 1: of sweet interaction with Christine and truly that was getting
Speaker 1: truly ready for the court date. And Christine is explaining
Speaker 1: to truly what's going to happen, and the judge is
Speaker 1: going to hear what we have to say, and then
Speaker 1: the judge is going to make a decision. And she's
Speaker 1: talking about all this and she starts to cry and
Speaker 1: she's emotional, and I'm like, wow, Like through this all,
Speaker 1: actually Christine really was rooting for this family. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: gets blamed so much for not being a good sister wife,
Speaker 1: not supporting Robin, not falling into line, but like you
Speaker 1: can see her leaning into this adoption process and being
Speaker 1: genuinely it feels genuinely happy and glad that these kids
Speaker 1: are coming into the family. And so when we fast
Speaker 1: forward to You're of our twenty twenty five and then
Speaker 1: last season and the season before, we've got Robin talking
Speaker 1: about how her kids were never accepted. Yeah, never integrated
Speaker 1: into the family. It was always a problem. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing that at all in these early seasons.
Speaker 1: And Christine is one of the most supportive of them all.
Speaker 2: Definitely, and she her emotions do genuinely feel like authentic here.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I don't understand why Robin says
Speaker 2: nobody accepted her and her kids, And like, then you
Speaker 2: have little interstitials with like Janelle's kids, Hunter and Madam Maddie.
Speaker 2: I think it was and Hunter being like, yeah, like
Speaker 2: this is a big deal for dayton A, Rora and Brianna,
Speaker 2: but they've been our siblings this entire time, So for us,
Speaker 2: it's like just kind of solidifying that it's not that
Speaker 2: big of a deal. We're just glad to have them
Speaker 2: as part of our family. And like you have, everybody
Speaker 2: had expressing the same sentiments about it, and they are
Speaker 2: genuinely supportive of dating Aurora and Breonna, and they're being
Speaker 2: kind to them. So I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: Well, did you see when they were in the courtroom
Speaker 1: and Cody and Robin were sitting at the table with
Speaker 1: their lawyer and behind them seated with Janelle, like before
Speaker 1: anything even started, anybody was sworn in. She was crying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like she was emotional, Like Janelle loved those kids. Janelle
Speaker 1: wanted those kids, so like I just anything she says
Speaker 1: these days, like we've been talking about, something happened along
Speaker 1: the way. She might not have started as a manipulative person. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was our Patreon commentary because we watched that McKelty interview.
Speaker 1: She might not Robin might not have started as a
Speaker 1: manipulative person with an agenda, but at some point along
Speaker 1: the way, something shifted in Robin and changed, and she's
Speaker 1: anything she says these days, it's a it's a damn lot.
Speaker 2: It's such a damn line right of history, and it's
Speaker 2: crazy because you have literal evidence, like you have video
Speaker 2: evidence of this.
Speaker 1: And you're also hurting your kids, yeah, and needing to
Speaker 1: tell them that the other kids don't love them on
Speaker 1: the Christmas group chat, right, or that it's not safe
Speaker 1: to be with these kids who literally showed up on
Speaker 1: the day they were adopted and were genuinely happy for you.
Speaker 2: And their Sunday best and everybody's on their best behavior too,
Speaker 2: Like nobody is out of line there's no fights or
Speaker 2: anything between any of the other siblings, Like, everybody is
Speaker 2: there for Robin's kids. So I just don't get it, honestly,
Speaker 2: And you know, taking all of that aside, like watching
Speaker 2: this episode, I'm like, oh, this is actually very sweet
Speaker 2: in terms of the whole family dynamic of being so
Speaker 2: supportive for these kids. You know, you don't get that
Speaker 2: a lot and a lot of blended families, you know,
Speaker 2: when parents get divorced and the parents remarry and have
Speaker 2: other kids involved, Like it's it's hard to blend a family,
Speaker 2: especially with other kids involved. But this family in particular
Speaker 2: seemed to be very accepting and loving. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: but we did have these like random little scenes. We
Speaker 2: had Cody having dinner at Robin's the day before the
Speaker 2: court appearance, and I just want to point out that
Speaker 2: he accidentally called Aurora missus brown. Oh, and that was weird, dude.
Speaker 1: Why that were? Well, she's getting her name changed. I'm
Speaker 1: sure your castage spurs.
Speaker 2: I just think we have to stop horror weirds me
Speaker 2: out many. Her vibe is weird.
Speaker 1: Generally, like emotionally, I don't want to say unregulated or unstable,
Speaker 1: but just very emotionally pronounced yeah, hard on her sleeve.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with her. No, no, because her mom's
Speaker 1: an EmPATH. Sure, and I'm sure genetically she got the
Speaker 1: EmPATH gene, but I mean it has been modeled for her.
Speaker 1: Robin's a crier. She's very emotional. I think she's sweet,
Speaker 1: I really do. I just think she's looking for love, honey.
Speaker 2: She weirds me out, man, and not like her personally.
Speaker 2: It's just the way that she reacts to this adoption
Speaker 2: is weird to me. How much she cries about it.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh my God, like chill up, just like.
Speaker 1: Seeing a child cry makes you up. So God, No,
Speaker 1: it's just a rar, I promise.
Speaker 2: But then we have a little scene. I think it's
Speaker 2: the day of the court appearance, because everybody is getting
Speaker 2: in their Sunday best and we have the camera crew
Speaker 2: checking in with everybody. We go over to Mary's sad ass,
Speaker 2: whack ass lonely haunted mansion and she's in her office
Speaker 2: and everything is dark. She's kind of dark in her energy,
Speaker 2: and she's just like, Yeah, it's a good day.
Speaker 1: It's a great day. We're working for we're working for
Speaker 1: these kids and stuff.
Speaker 2: We work so hard and I'm.
Speaker 1: Not doing anything else in this office with my blinds
Speaker 1: closed and my door locked at all.
Speaker 2: And then ding ding, Yeah, her phone goes off and
Speaker 2: she immediately is like checking the notification. Then she puts
Speaker 2: it away.
Speaker 1: Interesting that production left it in there.
Speaker 2: I kind of love that.
Speaker 1: Well, but let's go back to twenty fifteen and you're
Speaker 1: a producer or a camera person and you're filming this.
Speaker 1: Do they have just an intuition that something is going
Speaker 1: on with Mary? Or is Robin, Kendra and Cody. Are
Speaker 1: these three behind the scenes already knowing about the catfish
Speaker 1: and already tipping off production that something is going on
Speaker 1: with Mary? So they're leaving these little easter eggs in
Speaker 1: the filming for the catfish reveal down the road, because like,
Speaker 1: why would you leave that in there? Yeah, unless they're
Speaker 1: trying to call it out a little bit. And how
Speaker 1: would they know though, unless they heard it from somebody.
Speaker 1: Who would they have heard it from? Vole?
Speaker 2: I mean it would be Cody and Robin could be Leo,
Speaker 2: It could be it could be Leon too, mm hmm,
Speaker 2: or like you know, at the end of the season
Speaker 2: when they find out about Mary's catfish and stuff. Then
Speaker 2: the editors are going back and editing everything and then
Speaker 2: keeping all of these Easter eggs because they're finding it
Speaker 2: out on the back end.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I love that they kept that in. Honestly me too,
Speaker 2: because I thought that that was really telling. And I'm
Speaker 2: just like, oh, that was a that was obviously Sam,
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't anybody else, you know, Like the way
Speaker 2: that she immediately checks her phone, I'm like, Wow, that's
Speaker 2: Sus and her vibe the entire episode is Sus. Because
Speaker 2: everybody else is emotional, everybody else has little tearballs, everybody
Speaker 2: else is like really excited and happy for this. Mary
Speaker 2: is the odd man out, the only one that's like
Speaker 2: not emoting, not even really smiling. She's just there.
Speaker 1: That was me right before I divorced my first two husbands.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like this season of time, before it
Speaker 1: all went down, I was completely disconnected. It wasn't safe
Speaker 1: to emotionally be like in that relationship. I was trying
Speaker 1: to close myself off so that it wouldn't hurt so
Speaker 1: much because I already gone. I was already out the
Speaker 1: door in my mind. And so when I'm watching this,
Speaker 1: I can see that in her she's already gone. She's
Speaker 1: making plans, she's dreaming of her new life, and she's
Speaker 1: ready to go. She's almost there.
Speaker 2: Now, do you think that she was wanting to leave
Speaker 2: Cody for Sam at this point or do you think
Speaker 2: that she was just lonely in her house and kind
Speaker 2: of horny or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, how much time has passed from the legal divorce,
Speaker 1: which again Cody had told her, if you do this,
Speaker 1: you and I can get our relationship back on track.
Speaker 1: So how much time has passed? Because I think in
Speaker 1: this episode they said it was like a year. We
Speaker 1: see when she signs the divorce papers, she's a chunky,
Speaker 1: funky lady, okay, And when she is there at the
Speaker 1: desk when the call comes in, she's much thinner. So
Speaker 1: she's on her h Pylori journey totally. It's about a year.
Speaker 1: And so my theory is that Cody never showed up
Speaker 1: to get their relationship back on track. He ghosted her instead,
Speaker 1: and so she's stuck in her house and then she
Speaker 1: gets caught up with the catfish. Yeah, and she's on
Speaker 1: her way to not giving a fuck.
Speaker 2: And my thing is is like, if she was already
Speaker 2: not giving a fuck, then why did she feel so
Speaker 2: bad when she got caught and then she like completely
Speaker 2: reversed all of it, and She's like, no, but I
Speaker 2: do care about the family and I love everybody, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: Because then she found out that Sam was Jackie, So
Speaker 1: what else? If Sam were Sam, she would have left
Speaker 1: the family, no problem.
Speaker 2: But I'm just like Mary, you could have gone on
Speaker 2: the dating apps again and found another one.
Speaker 1: I think she was so embarrassed. Yeah, I think this
Speaker 1: idea of the image, the image that the family has
Speaker 1: been projecting. And remember Christine talks about how important it
Speaker 1: was in her book that the family was such a
Speaker 1: united front, like they were all together and the image
Speaker 1: and the message was paramount. I think Mary was just
Speaker 1: so frightened. But how that would impact her business, how
Speaker 1: it would impact her reputation and just her general image.
Speaker 2: I wonder what would happen if if nobody ever found out,
Speaker 2: like if this was never leaked, if Sam was actually
Speaker 2: a man. I wonder how long it would have lasted
Speaker 2: before Mary decided to leave Cody.
Speaker 1: When by the time they get to Alaska, she's already gone,
Speaker 1: you think, so, yeah, they go to dinner. I'm just
Speaker 1: remembering off of like fumes, but I if I recall correctly,
Speaker 1: They go to dinner and she tells the adults like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm going to be around though
Speaker 1: in this family she's already trying to telegraph to them
Speaker 1: that it's she's sober. I got a man. My name
Speaker 1: is Sam Wood and he's handsome. Oh yes, yes. And
Speaker 1: you can really see it in the vibrations.
Speaker 2: And the can though, and like in her face and
Speaker 2: how quiet she is. She is so disconnected, and like,
Speaker 2: I do feel for her. At the same time, I'd
Speaker 2: do judge her a little bit for being doing this
Speaker 2: on the back end and sucking auto banana and stuff privately, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing it out of integrity. Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: have had full integrity and said, no, fuck you. You
Speaker 1: lied to me. I got the divorce because you asked
Speaker 1: me to, because that's what I believe happened. And you
Speaker 1: said you were gonna do something, you never did it,
Speaker 1: and so I'm out of here. Bye, You're a neglectful husband. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find a new man. She would have
Speaker 1: done that, and we would.
Speaker 2: Have rooted for her totally.
Speaker 1: We would have all rooted for her.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I wonder what everybody else's vibe was
Speaker 2: back then if you watched this, like did you feel
Speaker 2: for Mary? Did you feel bad for her? Were you
Speaker 2: judging the crap out of her? Because we can look
Speaker 2: back now, I understand the full picture or whatever, but
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to get some people's perspective when they
Speaker 2: watched it back then. And so then we arrive in
Speaker 2: the courtroom long awaited, make it stipe, and it's so
Speaker 2: dramatized for literally no reason, Like everybody's worried that the
Speaker 2: judge is gonna say no, and they're asking Cody and
Speaker 2: Robin questions and Robin's like, it's like we're getting interrogated.
Speaker 2: It's very clinical.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, it's a courtroom.
Speaker 2: It's a courtroom, it's.
Speaker 1: A bedroom law now.
Speaker 2: And then you know, we had this whole segment about
Speaker 2: like what if the judge takes Dayton in his private
Speaker 2: chambers and questions him, and that literally never happens. It's
Speaker 2: completely fine. They had all their paperwork in order. The
Speaker 2: judge says, yeah, you are right, you get to be parents, granted,
Speaker 2: and then everybody bursts into tears and everybody's super happy.
Speaker 2: And then we take a big family group photo in
Speaker 2: the courtroom, and then we have a photo I think
Speaker 2: of Cody and Robin and the kids and everybody's happy.
Speaker 1: Only did you see that supreme side chick Alice there?
Speaker 2: Oh the background, the nanny.
Speaker 1: No, that's Robin's mama. Oh, Alice there with Hermie.
Speaker 2: I didn't see Alice in there.
Speaker 1: I saw that she was in the back row. She
Speaker 1: taught Robin everything she knows. She's probably like, get the bag.
Speaker 2: And then I think we end the episode with Mary
Speaker 2: again very somber, being like, yes, the best day.
Speaker 1: Ever, foreshadowing episodes to come.
Speaker 2: It's like really sad. She's like I think she says
Speaker 2: something to the on the couch like it wasn't about
Speaker 2: me or the divorce. It was about the kids. That
Speaker 2: was what it was all about. Like, Okay, all.
Speaker 1: Right, something's wrong here. Something is very you guys are
Speaker 1: not talking about it.
Speaker 2: What is it? Well? And I understand like the producers
Speaker 2: kind of keeping the storyline throughout the season of like
Speaker 2: the legal divorce and how it's a big deal because
Speaker 2: it was a big deal, yes, and a huge thing
Speaker 2: for Mary, and Mary was very obviously just upset about it.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. It's just funny to hear her
Speaker 2: verbalize it, like, yeah, it wasn't about me, but it
Speaker 2: was though, because we know that your marriage is crumbling
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I also think she's trying to show us
Speaker 1: these like victim vibes as well, like like something's wrong
Speaker 1: that they just can't talk about. Oh yeah, so that
Speaker 1: when she does actually leave, she'll have something to fall
Speaker 1: back on, like I was really unhappy and I had
Speaker 1: to do this. I don't know, maybe I'm giving her
Speaker 1: more credit.
Speaker 2: You know, you might be right though, because I mean,
Speaker 2: if you are having this kind of an emotional affair,
Speaker 2: like you've got to be thinking about these kinds of
Speaker 2: things and thinking about like what life would look like
Speaker 2: if I left the family right.
Speaker 1: Now, especially if you're like a celebrityy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like there's all these other layers and stuff.
Speaker 2: She really should have just fucking bit the bullet and left. Yes,
Speaker 2: how iconic would it have been so great if she
Speaker 2: just was like, yeah, I got this legal divorce, I'm
Speaker 2: leaving Cody now. I know Robin's pregnant, I know we're
Speaker 2: adopting these kids.
Speaker 1: I'll give a butt I'm out by Yeah.
Speaker 2: That would have been so lit. But it's all right.
Speaker 2: Everything happened the way I was supposed to. So let
Speaker 2: me get to the preview for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: We have like a family meeting with the adults. They're
Speaker 2: discussing doing a celebration for the adoption and like a barbecue.
Speaker 1: Or swinding that is a celebration with these people, so stupid.
Speaker 2: But Robin is mouthing off to Cody and arguing with
Speaker 2: him about something or whatever, and he says something like,
Speaker 2: don't get your panties in a bunch, and she gets
Speaker 2: all upset at him, and the other wives are like, wow,
Speaker 2: it's so cool, Like get to see Robin mouthing off
Speaker 2: to Cody because she never does. Do you think that
Speaker 2: was performative?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you would say that. And then we
Speaker 2: have Christine getting her beautiful concrete slab in her backyard.
Speaker 2: Because does she get fake grass and a nice, beautiful
Speaker 2: done backyard, No, she gets concrete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we are going.
Speaker 2: To have the family do their handprints and footprints or.
Speaker 1: One in three years, we're going to sell these houses.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that.
Speaker 1: I have no connection whatsoever to these handprints.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that, like, what they do with that.
Speaker 1: After the time capsule? Right do they dig it up?
Speaker 1: And we haven't gotten there yet, right, they might have digged,
Speaker 1: they might have dug it up. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know either. And then we have Robin giving
Speaker 2: Cody that infamous drawing picture of him as a young
Speaker 2: man with her babies that is from from Christine's actual
Speaker 2: photo with Cody. So I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: That is going to be so weird, Uncanny Valley. That
Speaker 1: is just such a strange and audacious thing to do
Speaker 1: to take a portrait from Christine's family and superimpose your
Speaker 1: own kids as children with a young Cody. But that's
Speaker 1: just wild and weird to me.
Speaker 2: That is super super wag.
Speaker 1: I just want to see how everybody responds, because they
Speaker 1: know they're going to pretend that it's still awesome. Why
Speaker 1: that is so great? But there's got to be somebody
Speaker 1: in the crowd that's like, this is an overstep. I mean,
Speaker 1: and Lucker, you do it, lady, Like.
Speaker 2: I remember watching that episode. I remember everybody's reactions because
Speaker 2: I just remember my own being like, ew, that's so bizarre,
Speaker 2: Like you didn't have to do that. You could have
Speaker 2: done a million other gifts that could have commemorated this adoption, like.
Speaker 1: An actual photo shoot, Yeah, real life Cody and your actual.
Speaker 2: Children right in the current year, Like it didn't need
Speaker 2: to be modeled after one of Christine's actual photos. Like
Speaker 2: that is so icky to me, and it brings up
Speaker 2: what we talked about, I think last week, about the
Speaker 2: birth certificates and how they added Cody's name to all
Speaker 2: of the birth certificates. Right, Apparently that is a thing
Speaker 2: in adoption cases. So we had a bunch of people
Speaker 2: commenting being like, yeah, that's standard and normal, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: then why couldn't you, like I don't know, copied the
Speaker 2: birth certificates and framed them or something like made a
Speaker 2: cute collage or whatever with some photos, Like it didn't
Speaker 2: have to be this. It was very pointed and weird.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's like you're taking over Christine's family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a kind of a subliminal message there exactly, But
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Speaker 1: I love that so much? I have to ask you
Speaker 1: because I know last week we were asking the folks
Speaker 1: if there were any shows that were coming up or
Speaker 1: that they wanted us to cover, And I'm rarely in
Speaker 1: the comments, so has anybody given us any information or
Speaker 1: any show?
Speaker 2: There was a few comments for that Little Singles?
Speaker 1: Okay show?
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? Love People Single? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Little People Single? Yeah? And I've seen stuff on my
Speaker 1: timeline for that. It looks really good, does it. It
Speaker 1: kind of looks like it's going to be produced though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what if it's like ninety Days Fiance Last Resort
Speaker 1: where they're all fucking and talking about So I heard
Speaker 1: ninety Day Fiance Last Resort is really.
Speaker 2: Good with Sumie and Jenny.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jenny, there's a lot going on Zaied and Rebecca
Speaker 1: Oh my god god filter talk about catfishing. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: something going on there. BWL. Until we select a show,
Speaker 1: we're gonna continue to come back every week. There's always
Speaker 1: some Sister Wives stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2: Totally.
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