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Speaker 2: Karen Retrout. I think it's going better for the prosecution
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Speaker 2: with Boston defense attorney Phil Tracy. Then we're going to
Speaker 2: bring back one of our guests from last week, Adam
Speaker 2: viv Gunten. He's recovered drug outcut, attic overdose survivor, ted
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about a very interesting day on
Speaker 2: Wall Street today. Certainly anyone who had money in the
Speaker 2: market did okay today, all as a result of the
Speaker 2: Trump administration in China having a ninety day ceasefire, if
Speaker 2: you will, in the trade war, and hopefully the trade
Speaker 2: war will not be resumed. But before we get to
Speaker 2: those topics, we have four interesting guests this hour, and
Speaker 2: I want to start off with Joe Salvo. Joe has
Speaker 2: written a book, I Wiggled My Toes Hallelujah. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: most of us can wiggle our toes, but this was
Speaker 2: an unforeseen journey of recovery from brain surgery. Joe Salville,
Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. You were a high school teacher and
Speaker 2: you had a couple of stumbles, and you went to
Speaker 2: your doctor back in nineteen ninety nine, and you got
Speaker 2: some pretty frightening news. Tell us about it. First of all,
Speaker 2: welcome nightside, thanks for being here, and tell us about
Speaker 2: this journey which ends well, but well, you had some
Speaker 2: rough rough days back in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3: I did. Thank you for having me on Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 3: It was over twenty six years ago. It was Mach eleventh,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. I was a computer teacher at Kennedy
Speaker 3: Middle School in Wallbam and just walking down the hall,
Speaker 3: I tripped, but I looked down and there was nothing
Speaker 3: to trip over. Later in the day, I was reaching
Speaker 3: for a book in the top shelf of the closet
Speaker 3: and it felt as if something was squeezing my arm.
Speaker 3: I left school it was a little concerned. The next
Speaker 3: day I came back and I was walking up the
Speaker 3: stairs and I fell. I said, there's something wrong, So
Speaker 3: I called my primary care doctor. He had me come
Speaker 3: into his office the next day and he ran some
Speaker 3: neurological tests. He then said, you have to get an MRI.
Speaker 3: So the following day I went and I got an MRI,
Speaker 3: and the radiologist after the MRI showed me this skin
Speaker 3: and he said, do you see that big black thing there?
Speaker 3: He said, that's a tumor. I had a massive brain
Speaker 3: tumor which had to be surgically removed. I said, can
Speaker 3: we dissolve it is that's the only thing we can do.
Speaker 2: I had no idea. Yeah, well, you were lucky in
Speaker 2: that you found a great surgeon. It wasn't easy. It
Speaker 2: isn't easy, and I know there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a story there, but I but I just want to
Speaker 2: go to the surgery. You were warned by this great
Speaker 2: surgeon that nothing was guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, nothing tell us about that. Well, the
Speaker 3: neurology just told me that I had to have major,
Speaker 3: major surgery first off, But he said he had the
Speaker 3: best neurosurgeon in the world, doctor Peter Black. He was
Speaker 3: actually the neurosurgeon in chief of Brigham and Women's Dana
Speaker 3: Fiber and the Children's Hospital. The radiologist had called him,
Speaker 3: but unfortunately he was out of the country.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to go into all of those
Speaker 2: specifics because there was there was some good fortune here.
Speaker 2: But you eventually found your way back. You were your
Speaker 2: own best advocate, and that's part of the story. You
Speaker 2: found your way back to doctor Peter Black, who, by
Speaker 2: the way, is no longer doing this surgery. He's in
Speaker 2: he's retire, Yeah, retired. So but she got to doctor
Speaker 2: Black did the surgery, And what did they tell you
Speaker 2: when it was over.
Speaker 3: Well, it was a nerve damage. It was a twelve
Speaker 3: hour surgery. It started on March twenty fourth at four
Speaker 3: o'clock at night and it ended at four o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning on twenty on Match twenty fifth.
Speaker 2: Survived the surgery, which is great, but there was a complication.
Speaker 3: Yes, he removed an orange sized tumor, which fortunately was
Speaker 3: encapsulated with minimal cancer. But because of the operation, the
Speaker 3: severity of the operation, there was nerve damage. So I
Speaker 3: was totally paralyzed on my left side and partially paralyzed
Speaker 3: on my right side. I spent five days at the
Speaker 3: Brigham Women's Hospital and then was transferred to Wingate at
Speaker 3: Brighton Rehab.
Speaker 2: Okay, So while you were there, and this is where
Speaker 2: the title of the book comes, I wriggled my toes hallelujah,
Speaker 2: and I'd just seen journey of recovery from brain surgery.
Speaker 2: So it took you three and a half weeks to
Speaker 2: regain some movement. How long before you then were able
Speaker 2: to walk without aid of a cane or a walk
Speaker 2: or how long did that struggle continue?
Speaker 3: Joe, Well, it was just three and a half weeks.
Speaker 3: I am wow.
Speaker 2: That's that's what is miraculous about it, because you would think, okay,
Speaker 2: so now you went back to teaching school, as I
Speaker 2: understand it, and you spent another ten years as a
Speaker 2: school teacher, and you're retired. And the point of the story,
Speaker 2: which which I think is so inspirational, is that here
Speaker 2: you are, twenty six years later, you're still upright. You know,
Speaker 2: if it's an amazing story, someone was looking out for
Speaker 2: you here. I don't know what you'd believe in or
Speaker 2: don't believe in, but you had someone in your corner.
Speaker 2: And you've gone on to live the second half I guess,
Speaker 2: second half of your life, your adult life, and you're
Speaker 2: you're doing fine, which is which is why I'm sure
Speaker 2: anybody who is facing a serious surgical procedure, particularly something
Speaker 2: of the magnitude that you underwent, would probably do well
Speaker 2: to get your book and read it. Because I don't
Speaker 2: want to say it was a miracle. You had a
Speaker 2: great doctor what you had, but you advocated for yourself.
Speaker 2: So I assume one of the lessons is to self advocate.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, the doctor. The doctor wrote the forward
Speaker 2: for the book, right, yep, so you developed out of
Speaker 2: this horrific diagnosis and horrific experience of friendship as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, And he also told me that I was a miracle,
Speaker 3: he said, you know what, you really are, a miracle,
Speaker 3: he said, even though I did everything I could. He said,
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be walking like this, he said, And they
Speaker 3: told me that at the rehab home. Every person at
Speaker 3: the rehab home said that I will be in a
Speaker 3: wheelchair for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Well, you're not.
Speaker 3: And I proved them wrong.
Speaker 2: You did prove them wrong. And I think it's important
Speaker 2: to say you're not superman. You're not someone with extraordinary
Speaker 2: physical powers. But you did what you had to do.
Speaker 2: You know, I have no idea how, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: I wouldn't because I'm not a surgeon. But did they
Speaker 2: ever say to you how this tumor had grown that large?
Speaker 2: And the first times that you had any sort of
Speaker 2: inkling of it that when you went to the doctor
Speaker 2: it was it had gotten to be that large.
Speaker 3: Doctor Black said, it probably was there for ten years,
Speaker 3: he said, But when it sits in your head. You
Speaker 3: don't notice it until you have an MRI, he said.
Speaker 3: But once it hit the nerve on which you controlled
Speaker 3: the left side of my body, he said, that's what
Speaker 3: caused all the problems, and that's when we were aware
Speaker 3: that something was wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, the book is I Wiggled My Toes Hallelujah. An
Speaker 2: Unforeseen Journey of Recovery from Brain Surgery by Joseph C. Salvo. Joe,
Speaker 2: how can what's the easiest way for people to get
Speaker 2: a copy of the book if they're so inclined.
Speaker 3: Well, it's on a number of websites. It's on Amazon,
Speaker 3: It's on Bonds and Noble Westbow Press. You can get
Speaker 3: a signed copy if you go on eBay. I signed
Speaker 3: a copy and send it out to you. Mail it
Speaker 3: out to you. Regular Women's also has it listed on
Speaker 3: their website under Neurosurgery because they said this will help
Speaker 3: people so exactly.
Speaker 2: But that's exactly the point I'm that, I'm that I'm
Speaker 2: trying to make Joe Salvo, I would say good luck
Speaker 2: to you, but you've had great luck, so continued good luck.
Speaker 2: Let's put it like that, continue good fortune. Appreciate you
Speaker 2: joining us tonight, and do say hello and congratulate. Doctor.
Speaker 3: Can I just give out my website and it'll be
Speaker 3: easy if you.
Speaker 2: Got to be quick, that'll be quick joke as a
Speaker 2: run out of time.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Joseph csalvo dot com.
Speaker 2: Perfect, Joseph C. Salvo s dot com. Get a sign book. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: thanks Joe Salvo. Congratulations.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Dan, very welcome.
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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
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Speaker 2: Well we all know I guess that New England and
Speaker 2: certainly Massachusetts has some funny names and funny stories. And
Speaker 2: with us is Amanda Rotundo. She's an author and former
Speaker 2: social scientist, and she has written about place names in
Speaker 2: Boston and beyond, a local woman writing with a little
Speaker 2: bit of I guess, a comical look at long forgotten
Speaker 2: Massachusetts and stories and characters. Amanda, I haven't heard the
Speaker 2: book yet. I apologize for that, but you're from writing,
Speaker 2: as I understand it. So let's start off with a
Speaker 2: couple of stories and let's get into this good evening.
Speaker 2: Welcome to night, sid.
Speaker 4: How are you hi there, I'm great, Thank you for
Speaker 4: having me on.
Speaker 2: So tell us, tell us about the book, tell us
Speaker 2: about some of the stories intrigue us on this one.
Speaker 3: Okay, sure.
Speaker 4: So the great thing about living in Massachusetts is we
Speaker 4: have so much amazing history. And what I learned writing
Speaker 4: this book is that the history I thought I knew
Speaker 4: there's actually a lot more to it. Everything from you know,
Speaker 4: we have a story out of Quinsey about John and
Speaker 4: Abigail Adams their journals from seventeen sixty four, which is
Speaker 4: the year they got married. They're writing in their journals
Speaker 4: and letters to each other, And it's the way you
Speaker 4: would think, you know, two twenty somethings of love would
Speaker 4: write back and forth to each other. Now you know,
Speaker 4: they're being kind of flirty and funny, and it's just
Speaker 4: so much fun to think about, you know, founding father
Speaker 4: types that way.
Speaker 2: Sure. Well, you know the funny thing about it is,
Speaker 2: when you think about it, they didn't have radio to
Speaker 2: listen to, there was no night side to listen to,
Speaker 2: there were no TV programs to watch, there were no
Speaker 2: professional sports that they could go to. So they had
Speaker 2: a lot of time in their hands. That's why they
Speaker 2: wrote so much, not just the adams Is, but everybody
Speaker 2: from that that era, if you will. So it's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that I'm sure you've been able
Speaker 2: to work into the book. So I understand that there's
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stories. How did you did you
Speaker 2: just start out and put these together or did you somehow,
Speaker 2: you know, compile them over the years?
Speaker 5: Tell us?
Speaker 2: Tell us how you get to the idea of the book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I find the best things in life
Speaker 4: for me kind of come about in the weirdest ways,
Speaker 4: and this book is one of those.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: It started out a friend and I, you know, just
Speaker 4: talking about how ridiculous some of the some of the
Speaker 4: names are around here, and how you know, there's no
Speaker 4: but there's no way you can know how to pronounce
Speaker 4: them unless you are from here. And so I put
Speaker 4: together this little book that was just a little funny
Speaker 4: cartoons with mnemonics about how to pronounce some of the
Speaker 4: more difficult town names. And I ended up speaking to
Speaker 4: a publisher who really liked the idea about these, you know,
Speaker 4: these these hard to pronounce town names and how it
Speaker 4: was such a Massachusetts thing and they but they wanted
Speaker 4: a full book out of it, and I said, uh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: what's what's in this book? So it's it just give
Speaker 4: us a couple.
Speaker 2: Of the names that you find funny. But obviously we
Speaker 2: listened to all of the the radio commercials where people
Speaker 2: are mispronouncing names. Uh, that's sort of a sport around here.
Speaker 2: What were some of the names that you found funny?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's you know the classics Lemonster, Gloucester, Worcester.
Speaker 2: How else would you pronounce it? Way? How is it?
Speaker 2: How else would you pronounce lemonster? That's pretty pretty obvious,
Speaker 2: you know, Leo, Minster Ah.
Speaker 4: And then of course, you know, situate and and more
Speaker 4: of the Native American UH based names are really tough
Speaker 4: for people.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: One that really surprised me because I never I'd never
Speaker 4: occurred to me that it was hard to pronounce was Lowell.
Speaker 4: I was driving with my daughter and and she looked
Speaker 4: up at a sign she said, Mom, are we going
Speaker 4: towards Lowell? And I, you know, screeched on the brakes.
Speaker 3: What did you say?
Speaker 5: And uh?
Speaker 4: And no, But you know, it's looks like two syllables
Speaker 4: and it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I guess, like I think that probably is
Speaker 2: any part of the country. What what is the toughest
Speaker 2: name do you think for people? You grew up in Connecticut,
Speaker 2: so you you have a little little bit of not
Speaker 2: a complete home court advantage, but you didn't move in
Speaker 2: here from Utah. Uh. What what's the weirdest of all
Speaker 2: the names in terms of pronunciation. I know people look
Speaker 2: at Worcester and they say, oh, Worcester and all of that,
Speaker 2: and they make fun about that. What's the time? What's
Speaker 2: the one that you think we really might should change
Speaker 2: the spelling off.
Speaker 4: The one that's the hardest for me is Coituate. I
Speaker 4: have to I really have to think about it every
Speaker 4: time I say it.
Speaker 2: Cochituate, Yeah, Okay, lake contituate, Okaly, you holy tase. You
Speaker 2: give us just some because I want people to the
Speaker 2: name of the book and his place names in Boston
Speaker 2: and beyond, tongue twisted town tales. I like a literation, Amanda,
Speaker 2: that's very clever. Give us the names you mentioned the Adams.
Speaker 2: Is that there's something we would learn about the Adams,
Speaker 2: is their their romantic side. Give us a couple of
Speaker 2: other people we would recognize besides the names of the
Speaker 2: towns that we would also learn learn about in your book.
Speaker 4: Sure, so, I think there's there's people that you would
Speaker 4: that you would recognize. For example, everyone knows the legend
Speaker 4: of Robin Hood, which is decidedly an English legend.
Speaker 5: Right not.
Speaker 2: Robin Hood's too easy to pronounce. He wouldn't live around here.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, He's in Sherwood Forrest.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, exactly.
Speaker 4: But it turns out the story of Robin Hood, when
Speaker 4: it came about in the fifteen hundreds in England, was
Speaker 4: about Robin Hood was just a plain old murderer. He
Speaker 4: just went around and killed aristocrats. And then there was
Speaker 4: this story about a guy named Tom Cook out of Marlborough, Matchusetts,
Speaker 4: and this story about him outsmarting the devil and then
Speaker 4: going on to steal from the rich and give to
Speaker 4: the poor. And he was born in seventeen thirty eight.
Speaker 4: So this story was started kicking around in like the
Speaker 4: late seventeen hundreds, and what ended up happening was as
Speaker 4: that was happening here in America, shortly after, the legend
Speaker 4: of Robin Hood in England started to shift where he
Speaker 4: instead of just going around and killing aristocrats, stole from
Speaker 4: the rich and gave to the poor. So the legend
Speaker 4: of Tom Cook from Marlborough actually influenced the legend of
Speaker 4: Robin Hood from England, which I think is really fascinating.
Speaker 2: Softened it a little bit, I guess, is that exactly? Yeah,
Speaker 2: The people who steal from the rich and give to
Speaker 2: the poor, guys like Bernie Sanders now only kidding. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you're Bernie Sanders fan of just having
Speaker 2: a little bit of fun with you, Amanda Rotando, where
Speaker 2: is the book available? I assume you can get it
Speaker 2: about it anywhere, but give what's the easiest way for
Speaker 2: people to get your book?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: So I mean It is available on all the biggies,
Speaker 4: Barz and Noble, Amazon, although I'm a huge fan of
Speaker 4: independently owned bookstores, so if you probably have one in
Speaker 4: your in your town, that's a great place to go
Speaker 4: get it. And if you go to my website, which
Speaker 4: is Amanda Rotundo dot com, you can buy it there
Speaker 4: and I can sign it for you. Or it makes
Speaker 4: a great gift. Father's Dave's coming up. It's a great
Speaker 4: dad book. I can I can sign it and send
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 2: Sounds great, Amanda Rotundo and everybody in there's not a
Speaker 2: spell Amanda, but rotundo R ro t O, d O,
Speaker 2: r O t o and d o Amanda Rotundo pronounced
Speaker 2: as spelled. And thank you so much. Dot com. We
Speaker 2: got to put the dot com in there as well.
Speaker 2: Thanks Amanda, appreciate it very much.
Speaker 3: Take care, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2: All right, and we get back. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about these darn gen Z employees. We've done this, these
Speaker 2: switts of stories a lot. I'm going to talk with
Speaker 2: a workplace expert and owner Paul Peters about why jen
Speaker 2: Z employees and some of them, by the way, I
Speaker 2: don't even well, they were only working because they're about
Speaker 2: twelve years old. These are the youngest. These are the
Speaker 2: people who were born somewhere around the time of I
Speaker 2: don't know, anywhere from nineteen ninety six to two twelve.
Speaker 2: So the oldest ones at this point are like twenty eight.
Speaker 2: They're the youngins, they're the tweens and the twenty somethings,
Speaker 2: and they apparently are not climbing the corporate ladder. We'll
Speaker 2: find out why right after the news at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the hour.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to introduce you now to Paul Peters.
Speaker 2: Paul Peters to welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 6: You're doing great, damn thank you.
Speaker 2: Paul is a workplace expert and owner of a company
Speaker 2: called Covenant Case Management Services. We're going to try to
Speaker 2: answer the question I don't know if we can. If
Speaker 2: anybody can, it will be Paul. Why are so many
Speaker 2: gen Z employees electing not to climb the corporate ladder.
Speaker 2: It's called gen Z's conscious unbossing. Let me be very
Speaker 2: clear for our audience. The first gen Zer was born
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six, so the oldest gen Zer now
Speaker 2: is about twenty eight, the youngest gen Zers twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: They're only like twelve years old. So maybe there's some
Speaker 2: hope for the young gen z Heres. I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on. Paul Peters, Well, I think.
Speaker 6: A lot of it, and thank you for letting me
Speaker 6: be on your show. I think a lot of it
Speaker 6: is I have three gen Zs my kids, so I
Speaker 6: kind of grew up in it. A lot of it
Speaker 6: is they have basically observed what it looks like to
Speaker 6: be in a boss mentality or a management management position,
Speaker 6: and they're like, it's really not worth the money that
Speaker 6: you're going to pay me for me to work extra
Speaker 6: to climb the corporate ladder with that from their standpoint,
Speaker 6: doesn't really reach what they're wanting, and so I think
Speaker 6: it's just they're basically rebellion, say that's not what I
Speaker 6: value in my life. I don't want that kind of success.
Speaker 2: So if hypothetically they were a minor league baseball player
Speaker 2: or a really good college football player and one of
Speaker 2: the coaches said to gen Zs, you know you could
Speaker 2: get better if you spend a little bit more time
Speaker 2: in the batting cage, or maybe you do work a
Speaker 2: little bit more in the weight room. These kids, these
Speaker 2: these kids are gonna say, nah, I don't need that.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody has to work a little harder when
Speaker 2: they're young. I guess I'm a boomer. I've done nothing
Speaker 2: but work in my life. I don't understand that mentality.
Speaker 2: I truly don't. Is there a way to understand it.
Speaker 6: There is actually a boomer myself, So I totally understand.
Speaker 6: We grew up with a mentality. You know, if you
Speaker 6: want to succeed in life, you climb the corporate ladder,
Speaker 6: or you climb the ladder for leadership so that you
Speaker 6: can make more and more successful. They view success a
Speaker 6: little differently. Yes, they want the same amount of money
Speaker 6: that we all want, but they have a more creative approach.
Speaker 6: You know, most of these kids grew up in a
Speaker 6: very technological and then they can use their skills and
Speaker 6: technology to climb quote unquote the corporate leader without having
Speaker 6: to submit to the restrictions on an outdated management managerial style.
Speaker 6: So I think they've chosen I don't want to do that.
Speaker 6: It's not going to bring me the same sense of
Speaker 6: value and success that it brought to the baby winners
Speaker 6: or gen X.
Speaker 2: So okay, so the question then is where are they
Speaker 2: going to be twenty years from now.
Speaker 6: Well, to be honest with you, I think from a
Speaker 6: as an employer myself, I'm looking for people who fall
Speaker 6: in line with the culture that I have created. I
Speaker 6: think we need to be very creative in what we're
Speaker 6: offering to gen zs. If we can offer something that
Speaker 6: has the work life balance that they're looking for and
Speaker 6: provide a culture that is enticing for them, I think
Speaker 6: we can entice them to climb that ladder as long
Speaker 6: as it's within the what they're what they consider valuable.
Speaker 6: But I think they're going to be fine. I think
Speaker 6: they're they're basically trying to find their own way, and
Speaker 6: we have such a vast array of different types of
Speaker 6: work people can fit into that, you know, working remotely,
Speaker 6: coming out of the COVID environment. We have so many
Speaker 6: different opportunities for gen zs to be successful, you know,
Speaker 6: on entrepreneurial, in typical other jobs that are available out
Speaker 6: there as well.
Speaker 2: So it sounds to me that I'm as two boomers here.
Speaker 2: I'm sort of scoffing at them and say go for it,
Speaker 2: you know, do your own thing, you know, contemplate your
Speaker 2: navel or whatever, and and it'll all work out. It
Speaker 2: won't work out. I mean, you gotta now again. If
Speaker 2: you're not interested in climbing the corporate ladder, that's that's,
Speaker 2: I guess, a lifestyle, you know, And maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it at all, To be honest with you,
Speaker 2: when I was in college, I work one summer cleaning toilets. Okay,
Speaker 2: it wasn't the most glamorous job that anyone had in
Speaker 2: that particular summer, but it's one of the jobs that
Speaker 2: I'm the proudest of, to be really honest with you,
Speaker 2: you know, no one, you know, gave me a summer
Speaker 2: internship where I could, you know, wear a suit and
Speaker 2: tie or a jacket and tie and and think great thoughts.
Speaker 2: You took whatever jobs were available if if you grew
Speaker 2: up in you know, I didn't have a better opportunity,
Speaker 2: to be really honest with you. I wasn't in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form connected anyone. And when I think about
Speaker 2: what it just to me, it's it's a strange posture
Speaker 2: to have during that period of your life. When you
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of responsibility. Most of those kids
Speaker 2: are not married at that point. You know, this is
Speaker 2: the time when you should be able to work a
Speaker 2: couple of jobs and have a side hustle and all
Speaker 2: of that. But I guess they just they don't want that.
Speaker 2: They don't want that lifestyle. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 2: see how it works out. Do you think you do
Speaker 2: think it's going to work out? Okay for that because
Speaker 2: some of them have technical expertise that maybe US boomers
Speaker 2: don't have, and we have to rely upon them more
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, and.
Speaker 6: Pret generation goes through the same challenge as the next
Speaker 6: one moves into a position of leadership. And like I said,
Speaker 6: I have three kids that I'm extremely proud of. Gen
Speaker 6: zs have done very well. You know, I think it
Speaker 6: really has every day too. And I'm I'm an advocate frementory.
Speaker 6: So if someone like myself, then like yourself, can take
Speaker 6: a gen Z mentor them and give a sense of revalue,
Speaker 6: give a sense of respect, but hold a higher standard.
Speaker 6: They're going to want to eventually. I don't want to
Speaker 6: say they're going to embrace everything we do as ady boomers,
Speaker 6: but they're going to embrace when they feel respected, valued
Speaker 6: and you appreciate what they're bringing to the table. Just
Speaker 6: because they're young, just because they don't think the way
Speaker 6: we do, doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have something
Speaker 6: valuable to contribute. And I think when they feel valued,
Speaker 6: they will provide the necessary input that's going to make
Speaker 6: them successful and you, me, myself as an employer, will
Speaker 6: be successful as well. I think it's just it's just
Speaker 6: giving a little to get some, but never compromise in
Speaker 6: your standard. And that's something I've never done with my company,
Speaker 6: as I've raised the standard, but I've made We brought
Speaker 6: in some cultural experts to really help us think in
Speaker 6: regards to the gen zs and the younger generation, how
Speaker 6: they think differently in the work environment. You know, like
Speaker 6: I said, we came off to COVID where work life
Speaker 6: balance was integrated and so whereas before, like you and I,
Speaker 6: we were just so used to going to work a
Speaker 6: certain time frames, clocking and clocking out. That is not
Speaker 6: today's world anymore. And so I think they're looking for
Speaker 6: I can do a lot more in less time, and
Speaker 6: if I'm doing it properly, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got to tell you. You know, as a dad,
Speaker 2: I coached hockey, I coached a little league baseball, so
Speaker 2: I made time, and I was a TV reporter at
Speaker 2: the time, so I had a pretty full schedule. I
Speaker 2: like to think back to the you know, to what
Speaker 2: we call the Greatest generation, when most of them were
Speaker 2: eighteen and nineteen years old. Many of them were in
Speaker 2: a a in a ship off the coast of Normandy
Speaker 2: in June of nineteen forty four. I just don't I
Speaker 2: don't get it. I got to be honest with you this.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm old school man. I'm sorry, and I'm glad
Speaker 2: that there are good people like you around who are
Speaker 2: more open to their to their predilections. I guess that
Speaker 2: would be the word I would use here. I hope
Speaker 2: it works for gen Z.
Speaker 6: Some of it, it's out of necessity. You know, the
Speaker 6: younger generation are eventually going to be taken care of us,
Speaker 6: So if we don't pour into them a little bit
Speaker 6: so that they can make sure that we're taking care
Speaker 6: of and I think that's important. We just have to understand,
Speaker 6: like the previous generation has to understand a little bit
Speaker 6: about that next generation, we have to do the same
Speaker 6: and I think you're going to find there's a little
Speaker 6: bit more commonality than we think.
Speaker 2: I sure hope you're right. I sure hope I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but I'm not convinced yet. Paul Peters, thanks very much.
Speaker 2: How could folks get in touch with you for any advice, guidance, support,
Speaker 2: give us, give us a website.
Speaker 6: Thank Yeah, they can find me on Paul Peters dot online.
Speaker 2: Paul Peters Dot online online. That I've never heard that
Speaker 2: that connection. Okay, that's pretty cool. Thanks, Paul, appreciate it
Speaker 2: very much. All right, thank you, Well, we get back.
Speaker 2: We will wrap it up. Some good news today. I
Speaker 2: think President Trump is about to sign or has signed,
Speaker 2: an executive order to cut prescription drug prices by thirty
Speaker 2: to eighty percent. We're going to talk with doctor Bill Hennessy.
Speaker 2: He's a billing integrity officer with a company called care Guide,
Speaker 2: a company that fiercely negotiates outrageous medical bills on behalf
Speaker 2: of patients. I like that. I think I'm going to
Speaker 2: like doctor Hennessy too. We'll be back on Nightside with
Speaker 2: this information right after this.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
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Speaker 2: Like to welcome doctor Bill Hennessy. He is a medical doctor.
Speaker 2: He is also the billing integrity Officer with care Guide,
Speaker 2: a company that fiercely negotiates outrageous medical bills on behalf
Speaker 2: of patients. Doctor Bill Hennessy, Welcome to nightside, Sir, how
Speaker 2: are you deceiving?
Speaker 5: Oh good evening, just here excited to talk to you
Speaker 5: about saving America money on healthcare.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a good idea, no matter what
Speaker 2: party does it, whether it's Donald Trump, Joe Biden, or
Speaker 2: anyone else. So has the President signed this executive order
Speaker 2: or is it to be signed? Let me get that,
Speaker 2: Claire first.
Speaker 5: He signed it at nine a m. This morning, is
Speaker 5: my understanding?
Speaker 2: Okay? And according to the story, cut prescription drug prices
Speaker 2: by thirty to eighty percent. Explain to me how a
Speaker 2: president can do that unilatterally. I'm happy he can, But
Speaker 2: what he I assume he is cutting prices for Medicaid
Speaker 2: and Medicare, as the bulk purchaser of these products. Am
Speaker 2: I correct on that?
Speaker 5: Yes, he is part of the government. The single largest
Speaker 5: payer of healthcare in the US is Medicare. So if he,
Speaker 5: being the leader in the United States, is going to
Speaker 5: be looking out for our taxpayer dollar, he's to get
Speaker 5: best deal for our taxpayer dollar. There are drugs, especially
Speaker 5: for cancer, where we're being held as financial hostage, where
Speaker 5: they could be twenty thousand to a couple hundred thousand
Speaker 5: dollars a dose at major hospitals. But then if someone
Speaker 5: like me who knows where to go get them and
Speaker 5: go get them for ten thousand, fifteen thousand dollars, he
Speaker 5: wants to be able to do that for everybody. Okay,
Speaker 5: So when you.
Speaker 2: Say you're gonna when you say you're gonna go get
Speaker 2: them somewhere else, you're not talking about going to Mexico
Speaker 2: or Canada, I assume.
Speaker 5: All right, No, there's there's other ways to do it.
Speaker 5: But they're international sourcing is an industry term. This is
Speaker 5: an international sourcing. Okay.
Speaker 2: So what I want to understand, and again doctor, I
Speaker 2: mean to interrupt you, but you know so much more
Speaker 2: about this than I do. It's just important for me
Speaker 2: to to understand that and to help my audience understand it.
Speaker 2: If these drug companies were to say to the government,
Speaker 2: you know, look, we're not going to cut them thirty
Speaker 2: to eighty percent. It's great. I'm happy about it, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong. But if they said we're only going
Speaker 2: to cut them, you know, fifty percent or whatever. Is
Speaker 2: this simply that our purchasing power is so great that
Speaker 2: we have the ability, through the office of the President,
Speaker 2: this particular president, to impose on the drug suppliers. Our
Speaker 2: determination is what these drugs should actually cost.
Speaker 5: I want you to look at it completely different. You're
Speaker 5: you're trying to use logic. You got to remember this
Speaker 5: is healthcare purchasing.
Speaker 2: And I do appreciate the compliment that I think it's
Speaker 2: a little bit. I want to listen carefully to what
Speaker 2: you say, proving that you know more about this idea.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 5: The United States, we have over three thousand I'm going
Speaker 5: to repeat over three thousand healthcare lobbyists. The health insurance industry, hospitals,
Speaker 5: and drug companies use these three thousand lobbyists to their advantage.
Speaker 5: That's case. They want to keep it the same, they
Speaker 5: want to keep the pricing fixed in the same And
Speaker 5: so where don't you have the three thousand US lobbyists?
Speaker 5: The answer is in other countries. So the excuse being given,
Speaker 5: Let's say that you know that a drug that costs
Speaker 5: ten thousand dollars a dose in the United States for cancer,
Speaker 5: you could get for five hundred dollars in England. It's
Speaker 5: the same drug made by the same company. I got it,
Speaker 5: I got you want, you want five hundred dollars. Now,
Speaker 5: why hasn't that drug for five hundred dollars? Why can't
Speaker 5: then England give it to the US? Okay, thus far
Speaker 5: the best to my understanding, in past administrations on both
Speaker 5: sides of the al but for decades FDA, the Food
Speaker 5: and Drug Administration, has been bought off in prior administrations
Speaker 5: with lobbying money. Excuse has been we are not going
Speaker 5: to let this happen. We're going to say that the
Speaker 5: quality of the drugs made in other countries, even if
Speaker 5: it's approved by the big US drug makers, is not
Speaker 5: of the same quality as if it was made here. Now,
Speaker 5: that's a bunch of BLARKI got so. Now, when the
Speaker 5: President of the United States today that would be Trump,
Speaker 5: signs an executive order that's a directive to other departments
Speaker 5: and agencies, including HHS, Health and Human Services, FDA, Food
Speaker 5: and Drug Administration to follow his directive, that now means
Speaker 5: doctor Martin McCarry of the Director of Health and of FDA.
Speaker 2: We have had doctor McCurry on this program, so I
Speaker 2: know exactly who he is.
Speaker 5: He's got he's got the two seeds, doesn't He's got
Speaker 5: care and common sense.
Speaker 2: He's a good guy, so smart. He ting to.
Speaker 5: Harvard first for undergrad I do believe, and then Hopkins
Speaker 5: for his residency, so he knows his multiple choice questions
Speaker 5: inside out and go to those kind of places and
Speaker 5: get those degrees. So so I do believe he is
Speaker 5: going to be in favor of affordable drugs for America.
Speaker 5: So instead of the FDA being a blocker, with doctor
Speaker 5: Marty leading the way, they're gonna say, yeah, let's go
Speaker 5: source these drugs. Buy the same companies from other countries,
Speaker 5: and if they get a better negotiated deal than we
Speaker 5: do in the United States, we're going to use their
Speaker 5: deal and bring them in here. Okay, that's all international sourcing.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me ask you a question. I
Speaker 2: want you to know I do. I probably know a
Speaker 2: little bit more about this than maybe I've led on. Uh.
Speaker 2: Late in the Biden administration, UH, there was a big
Speaker 2: announcement in which then President Biden said that his administration
Speaker 2: had negotiated the deal which was going to cut drug
Speaker 2: prices across the board substantially, and as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: he lamented after the November election that the presidential candidate
Speaker 2: Democratic Party Vice President Harris did not emphasize that step
Speaker 2: taken by the Biden administration more emphatically. I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: this step by the Trump administration is a better step
Speaker 2: in terms of substance than what the Biden administration. This
Speaker 2: is a this is an improvement on what the Biden
Speaker 2: administration has done. Is that is that a fair conclusion
Speaker 2: for me to arrive at. Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's I want to give the Biden administration a
Speaker 5: couple kudos here too, because that's what I'm doing as well.
Speaker 5: Let's say, affordable access to care is not a political issue,
Speaker 5: it's a humankind issue. So there are about ten drugs,
Speaker 5: insulin being at the top where the Biden administration wanted
Speaker 5: better pricing and secured better pricing. The good news is
Speaker 5: they were common drugs and there's better pricing. The only
Speaker 5: thing I wish is it was for all drugs instead
Speaker 5: of picking on five or ten of them. Okay, but
Speaker 5: at least they're common drugs. The other great thing the
Speaker 5: Biden administration did in January this year before leaving was
Speaker 5: medical debt no longer adversely affects your credit, and whether
Speaker 5: you have fifty dollars in debt or five million dollars
Speaker 5: in debt, you can still go out and buy or
Speaker 5: release a car or something else.
Speaker 2: Let me if I could, Doctor, I just I have
Speaker 2: to be cognizant of our time. I got about thirty
Speaker 2: seconds left. What I'm just trying to understand is what
Speaker 2: the president, this president today, President Trump has signed that
Speaker 2: is a furtherance of what the Biden administration did. I
Speaker 2: just want to make sure that it's that I'm clear
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 5: I think it can be construed as that is taking
Speaker 5: a second step to making even more drugs more affordable.
Speaker 5: Good to America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, well summarized, doctor Bill Hennessy. If folks want
Speaker 2: to get in touch with you, how can they do that?
Speaker 5: Our website is CGA Saves dot com. Care guide advocates
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Speaker 2: I'm going to write that down. I hope some of
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Speaker 5: your hospital bills and your drug bills.
Speaker 2: Sounds great, We'll have you back. I enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 2: It was it was fun. We'll talk to you.
Speaker 5: I agree, thank you for I'm invigorated, so I appreciate
Speaker 5: your interest.
Speaker 2: Right back at you.