WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.799 It's nice eyes, Dan Ray, I'm showing you crazy Boston's 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:05.839 news radio. 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:09.119 Oh it's always a great thank you mess. It's always 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:11.240 a great idea to go to night set with Dan Ray. 5 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.080 Noah is back in the control room tonight. Rob Brooks 6 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:17.320 has another night off. I don't know, No, I don't 7 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:20.280 know if Rob's ever coming back at this point. Noah's 8 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:23.559 doing a fine job, but we'll have to see what 9 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.839 happens tomorrow night. I don't know, No. Check your schedule anyway, 10 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:29.679 Good evening, everybody, Welcome on end to a Monday night. 11 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:32.960 For those of you who are keeping us track, and 12 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.200 I know many of you inside prison walls, check off 13 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.119 your calendar. It's now May twelfth, so that's one more 14 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.799 day down to freedom. So for folks, if you're in 15 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:45.359 there tonight and you're listening to Night Side, you know 16 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.479 we're thinking about you. That's for sure. Get your time 17 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:51.240 done and you'll be all set. Get out and get 18 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:56.399 right with everyone. We have some interesting topics coming up tonight. 19 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:57.840 I guarantee you that we're going to look at the 20 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.799 Karen Retrout. I think it's going better for the prosecution 21 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:03.479 this time than it did the first time. We'll talk 22 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:08.599 with Boston defense attorney Phil Tracy. Then we're going to 23 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.439 bring back one of our guests from last week, Adam 24 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:18.799 viv Gunten. He's recovered drug outcut, attic overdose survivor, ted 25 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.959 talk speaker and founder of Recovered on Purpose and Behavioral 26 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:24.239 Health Partners. I'm going to talk about that, and then 27 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:27.359 we're going to talk about a very interesting day on 28 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:30.439 Wall Street today. Certainly anyone who had money in the 29 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.519 market did okay today, all as a result of the 30 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:38.599 Trump administration in China having a ninety day ceasefire, if 31 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.760 you will, in the trade war, and hopefully the trade 32 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:44.239 war will not be resumed. But before we get to 33 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:48.560 those topics, we have four interesting guests this hour, and 34 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:52.599 I want to start off with Joe Salvo. Joe has 35 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:57.840 written a book, I Wiggled My Toes Hallelujah. Well, you know, 36 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.719 most of us can wiggle our toes, but this was 37 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:06.000 an unforeseen journey of recovery from brain surgery. Joe Salville, 38 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.159 Welcome to Nightside. You were a high school teacher and 39 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:12.199 you had a couple of stumbles, and you went to 40 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.560 your doctor back in nineteen ninety nine, and you got 41 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.120 some pretty frightening news. Tell us about it. First of all, 42 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:21.479 welcome nightside, thanks for being here, and tell us about 43 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:26.439 this journey which ends well, but well, you had some 44 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:30.080 rough rough days back in nineteen ninety nine. 45 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:32.960 I did. Thank you for having me on Dan Ray. 46 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:33.759 You're welcome. 47 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:38.120 It was over twenty six years ago. It was Mach eleventh, 48 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:41.240 nineteen ninety nine. I was a computer teacher at Kennedy 49 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.240 Middle School in Wallbam and just walking down the hall, 50 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.080 I tripped, but I looked down and there was nothing 51 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.840 to trip over. Later in the day, I was reaching 52 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:51.919 for a book in the top shelf of the closet 53 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:54.479 and it felt as if something was squeezing my arm. 54 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:57.960 I left school it was a little concerned. The next 55 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.400 day I came back and I was walking up the 56 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.840 stairs and I fell. I said, there's something wrong, So 57 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.240 I called my primary care doctor. He had me come 58 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.199 into his office the next day and he ran some 59 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.879 neurological tests. He then said, you have to get an MRI. 60 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.560 So the following day I went and I got an MRI, 61 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:20.199 and the radiologist after the MRI showed me this skin 62 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.960 and he said, do you see that big black thing there? 63 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.719 He said, that's a tumor. I had a massive brain 64 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.360 tumor which had to be surgically removed. I said, can 65 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.280 we dissolve it is that's the only thing we can do. 66 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:36.879 I had no idea. Yeah, well, you were lucky in 67 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:41.360 that you found a great surgeon. It wasn't easy. It 68 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.000 isn't easy, and I know there's a little bit of 69 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.360 a story there, but I but I just want to 70 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.080 go to the surgery. You were warned by this great 71 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:52.000 surgeon that nothing was guaranteed. 72 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:59.400 Right, Yeah, yeah, nothing tell us about that. Well, the 73 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.520 neurology just told me that I had to have major, 74 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.080 major surgery first off, But he said he had the 75 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:08.000 best neurosurgeon in the world, doctor Peter Black. He was 76 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.719 actually the neurosurgeon in chief of Brigham and Women's Dana 77 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:14.759 Fiber and the Children's Hospital. The radiologist had called him, 78 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.480 but unfortunately he was out of the country. 79 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.800 And I don't want to go into all of those 80 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:22.160 specifics because there was there was some good fortune here. 81 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.680 But you eventually found your way back. You were your 82 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.720 own best advocate, and that's part of the story. You 83 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.800 found your way back to doctor Peter Black, who, by 84 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:36.759 the way, is no longer doing this surgery. He's in 85 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.120 he's retire, Yeah, retired. So but she got to doctor 86 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.399 Black did the surgery, And what did they tell you 87 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:45.399 when it was over. 88 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:48.879 Well, it was a nerve damage. It was a twelve 89 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:53.439 hour surgery. It started on March twenty fourth at four 90 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.519 o'clock at night and it ended at four o'clock in 91 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.279 the morning on twenty on Match twenty fifth. 92 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.199 Survived the surgery, which is great, but there was a complication. 93 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:09.000 Yes, he removed an orange sized tumor, which fortunately was 94 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:15.639 encapsulated with minimal cancer. But because of the operation, the 95 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.439 severity of the operation, there was nerve damage. So I 96 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.120 was totally paralyzed on my left side and partially paralyzed 97 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.519 on my right side. I spent five days at the 98 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.639 Brigham Women's Hospital and then was transferred to Wingate at 99 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:31.519 Brighton Rehab. 100 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.560 Okay, So while you were there, and this is where 101 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.560 the title of the book comes, I wriggled my toes hallelujah, 102 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.439 and I'd just seen journey of recovery from brain surgery. 103 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.439 So it took you three and a half weeks to 104 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.680 regain some movement. How long before you then were able 105 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:55.639 to walk without aid of a cane or a walk 106 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.600 or how long did that struggle continue? 107 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.959 Joe, Well, it was just three and a half weeks. 108 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:01.040 I am wow. 109 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.680 That's that's what is miraculous about it, because you would think, okay, 110 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:10.040 so now you went back to teaching school, as I 111 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:16.160 understand it, and you spent another ten years as a 112 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:21.240 school teacher, and you're retired. And the point of the story, 113 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:26.480 which which I think is so inspirational, is that here 114 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:31.879 you are, twenty six years later, you're still upright. You know, 115 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.839 if it's an amazing story, someone was looking out for 116 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.519 you here. I don't know what you'd believe in or 117 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:42.560 don't believe in, but you had someone in your corner. 118 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:47.720 And you've gone on to live the second half I guess, 119 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:52.759 second half of your life, your adult life, and you're 120 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.639 you're doing fine, which is which is why I'm sure 121 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:02.560 anybody who is facing a serious surgical procedure, particularly something 122 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:09.040 of the magnitude that you underwent, would probably do well 123 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.600 to get your book and read it. Because I don't 124 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.439 want to say it was a miracle. You had a 125 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:18.759 great doctor what you had, but you advocated for yourself. 126 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.720 So I assume one of the lessons is to self advocate. 127 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:27.680 Matter of fact, the doctor. The doctor wrote the forward 128 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:32.920 for the book, right, yep, so you developed out of 129 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:38.279 this horrific diagnosis and horrific experience of friendship as well. 130 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.160 Yes, And he also told me that I was a miracle, 131 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.439 he said, you know what, you really are, a miracle, 132 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.680 he said, even though I did everything I could. He said, 133 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.399 you shouldn't be walking like this, he said, And they 134 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:56.360 told me that at the rehab home. Every person at 135 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.160 the rehab home said that I will be in a 136 00:07:58.160 --> 00:07:59.600 wheelchair for the rest of my life. 137 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.800 Well, you're not. 138 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:04.160 And I proved them wrong. 139 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.720 You did prove them wrong. And I think it's important 140 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:12.160 to say you're not superman. You're not someone with extraordinary 141 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:18.600 physical powers. But you did what you had to do. 142 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.279 You know, I have no idea how, and I'm sure 143 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.600 I wouldn't because I'm not a surgeon. But did they 144 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:29.720 ever say to you how this tumor had grown that large? 145 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.879 And the first times that you had any sort of 146 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.639 inkling of it that when you went to the doctor 147 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.679 it was it had gotten to be that large. 148 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:41.600 Doctor Black said, it probably was there for ten years, 149 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.679 he said, But when it sits in your head. You 150 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:47.840 don't notice it until you have an MRI, he said. 151 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:52.159 But once it hit the nerve on which you controlled 152 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.080 the left side of my body, he said, that's what 153 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.799 caused all the problems, and that's when we were aware 154 00:08:57.879 --> 00:08:58.759 that something was wrong. 155 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.039 Well, the book is I Wiggled My Toes Hallelujah. An 156 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:07.080 Unforeseen Journey of Recovery from Brain Surgery by Joseph C. Salvo. Joe, 157 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.799 how can what's the easiest way for people to get 158 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.480 a copy of the book if they're so inclined. 159 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.879 Well, it's on a number of websites. It's on Amazon, 160 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:20.120 It's on Bonds and Noble Westbow Press. You can get 161 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.240 a signed copy if you go on eBay. I signed 162 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:23.759 a copy and send it out to you. Mail it 163 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.840 out to you. Regular Women's also has it listed on 164 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:32.440 their website under Neurosurgery because they said this will help 165 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:34.080 people so exactly. 166 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.759 But that's exactly the point I'm that, I'm that I'm 167 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:41.080 trying to make Joe Salvo, I would say good luck 168 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.279 to you, but you've had great luck, so continued good luck. 169 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:47.080 Let's put it like that, continue good fortune. Appreciate you 170 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.960 joining us tonight, and do say hello and congratulate. Doctor. 171 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:51.840 Can I just give out my website and it'll be 172 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:52.320 easy if you. 173 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:53.720 Got to be quick, that'll be quick joke as a 174 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:54.399 run out of time. 175 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.840 Go ahead, Joseph csalvo dot com. 176 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:03.720 Perfect, Joseph C. Salvo s dot com. Get a sign book. Okay, great, 177 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.679 thanks Joe Salvo. Congratulations. 178 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.679 All right, thank you, Dan, very welcome. 179 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:10.639 We get back when we talk about places and names 180 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:15.519 in Boston and beyond, very interesting. A woman who has 181 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.879 it just shows you the ideas that people have that 182 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.519 they can turn into books. We'll be back on Nightside. 183 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.000 My name is Dan Ray. 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Get 190 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.200 the new iHeart App. We'll be back on Nightside right 191 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:47.159 after these messages. 192 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:53.080 Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 193 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:59.440 It's night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio. 194 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:04.960 Well we all know I guess that New England and 195 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.440 certainly Massachusetts has some funny names and funny stories. And 196 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:12.120 with us is Amanda Rotundo. She's an author and former 197 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:17.080 social scientist, and she has written about place names in 198 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:21.759 Boston and beyond, a local woman writing with a little 199 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.399 bit of I guess, a comical look at long forgotten 200 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.679 Massachusetts and stories and characters. Amanda, I haven't heard the 201 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:32.279 book yet. I apologize for that, but you're from writing, 202 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.759 as I understand it. So let's start off with a 203 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.159 couple of stories and let's get into this good evening. 204 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:39.159 Welcome to night, sid. 205 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.440 How are you hi there, I'm great, Thank you for 206 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:41.919 having me on. 207 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:45.240 So tell us, tell us about the book, tell us 208 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.679 about some of the stories intrigue us on this one. 209 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:49.279 Okay, sure. 210 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.720 So the great thing about living in Massachusetts is we 211 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:56.679 have so much amazing history. And what I learned writing 212 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.000 this book is that the history I thought I knew 213 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.480 there's actually a lot more to it. Everything from you know, 214 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.720 we have a story out of Quinsey about John and 215 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:11.399 Abigail Adams their journals from seventeen sixty four, which is 216 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.799 the year they got married. They're writing in their journals 217 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.919 and letters to each other, And it's the way you 218 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.879 would think, you know, two twenty somethings of love would 219 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.519 write back and forth to each other. Now you know, 220 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:25.399 they're being kind of flirty and funny, and it's just 221 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:27.720 so much fun to think about, you know, founding father 222 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:28.559 types that way. 223 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:30.399 Sure. Well, you know the funny thing about it is, 224 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.519 when you think about it, they didn't have radio to 225 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:34.399 listen to, there was no night side to listen to, 226 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.879 there were no TV programs to watch, there were no 227 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.759 professional sports that they could go to. So they had 228 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.960 a lot of time in their hands. That's why they 229 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.799 wrote so much, not just the adams Is, but everybody 230 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:49.159 from that that era, if you will. So it's there's 231 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.639 a lot of stuff that I'm sure you've been able 232 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:54.039 to work into the book. So I understand that there's 233 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.559 a whole bunch of stories. How did you did you 234 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.559 just start out and put these together or did you somehow, 235 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:06.360 you know, compile them over the years? 236 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:06.759 Tell us? 237 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:08.799 Tell us how you get to the idea of the book. 238 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.440 Yeah, you know, I find the best things in life 239 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:15.039 for me kind of come about in the weirdest ways, 240 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:16.759 and this book is one of those. 241 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:17.360 Uh. 242 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.039 It started out a friend and I, you know, just 243 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.720 talking about how ridiculous some of the some of the 244 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.879 names are around here, and how you know, there's no 245 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:27.559 but there's no way you can know how to pronounce 246 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:31.440 them unless you are from here. And so I put 247 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.279 together this little book that was just a little funny 248 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.759 cartoons with mnemonics about how to pronounce some of the 249 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:42.159 more difficult town names. And I ended up speaking to 250 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.960 a publisher who really liked the idea about these, you know, 251 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.279 these these hard to pronounce town names and how it 252 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.639 was such a Massachusetts thing and they but they wanted 253 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.360 a full book out of it, and I said, uh, yeah, okay, 254 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.879 what's what's in this book? So it's it just give 255 00:13:57.960 --> 00:13:58.559 us a couple. 256 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.360 Of the names that you find funny. But obviously we 257 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.279 listened to all of the the radio commercials where people 258 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.159 are mispronouncing names. Uh, that's sort of a sport around here. 259 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.159 What were some of the names that you found funny? 260 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:16.759 Well, I mean there's you know the classics Lemonster, Gloucester, Worcester. 261 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.039 How else would you pronounce it? Way? How is it? 262 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:25.039 How else would you pronounce lemonster? That's pretty pretty obvious, 263 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:28.360 you know, Leo, Minster Ah. 264 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.159 And then of course, you know, situate and and more 265 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:39.320 of the Native American UH based names are really tough 266 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:39.759 for people. 267 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.679 Oh yeah. 268 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.039 One that really surprised me because I never I'd never 269 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.279 occurred to me that it was hard to pronounce was Lowell. 270 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.440 I was driving with my daughter and and she looked 271 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.039 up at a sign she said, Mom, are we going 272 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:55.080 towards Lowell? And I, you know, screeched on the brakes. 273 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:56.759 What did you say? 274 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:58.279 And uh? 275 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.240 And no, But you know, it's looks like two syllables 276 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:01.639 and it's not. 277 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.799 Yeah. Well, I guess, like I think that probably is 278 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.399 any part of the country. What what is the toughest 279 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.799 name do you think for people? You grew up in Connecticut, 280 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.600 so you you have a little little bit of not 281 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:18.320 a complete home court advantage, but you didn't move in 282 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:23.279 here from Utah. Uh. What what's the weirdest of all 283 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.000 the names in terms of pronunciation. I know people look 284 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.919 at Worcester and they say, oh, Worcester and all of that, 285 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.519 and they make fun about that. What's the time? What's 286 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:35.600 the one that you think we really might should change 287 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:36.399 the spelling off. 288 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.480 The one that's the hardest for me is Coituate. I 289 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.320 have to I really have to think about it every 290 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:45.080 time I say it. 291 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:55.120 Cochituate, Yeah, Okay, lake contituate, Okaly, you holy tase. You 292 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.240 give us just some because I want people to the 293 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.720 name of the book and his place names in Boston 294 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.919 and beyond, tongue twisted town tales. I like a literation, Amanda, 295 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:12.519 that's very clever. Give us the names you mentioned the Adams. 296 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.000 Is that there's something we would learn about the Adams, 297 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.039 is their their romantic side. Give us a couple of 298 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.639 other people we would recognize besides the names of the 299 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.600 towns that we would also learn learn about in your book. 300 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.840 Sure, so, I think there's there's people that you would 301 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.360 that you would recognize. For example, everyone knows the legend 302 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.279 of Robin Hood, which is decidedly an English legend. 303 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:38.840 Right not. 304 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.080 Robin Hood's too easy to pronounce. He wouldn't live around here. 305 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:43.960 Go ahead, He's in Sherwood Forrest. 306 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.879 Go ahead, exactly. 307 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.960 But it turns out the story of Robin Hood, when 308 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.120 it came about in the fifteen hundreds in England, was 309 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.240 about Robin Hood was just a plain old murderer. He 310 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:57.799 just went around and killed aristocrats. And then there was 311 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:03.279 this story about a guy named Tom Cook out of Marlborough, Matchusetts, 312 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.559 and this story about him outsmarting the devil and then 313 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.519 going on to steal from the rich and give to 314 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.200 the poor. And he was born in seventeen thirty eight. 315 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.440 So this story was started kicking around in like the 316 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.160 late seventeen hundreds, and what ended up happening was as 317 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:23.359 that was happening here in America, shortly after, the legend 318 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.599 of Robin Hood in England started to shift where he 319 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.079 instead of just going around and killing aristocrats, stole from 320 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:32.839 the rich and gave to the poor. So the legend 321 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:38.160 of Tom Cook from Marlborough actually influenced the legend of 322 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.799 Robin Hood from England, which I think is really fascinating. 323 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.920 Softened it a little bit, I guess, is that exactly? Yeah, 324 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:48.039 The people who steal from the rich and give to 325 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.960 the poor, guys like Bernie Sanders now only kidding. I 326 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.359 don't know if you're Bernie Sanders fan of just having 327 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.200 a little bit of fun with you, Amanda Rotando, where 328 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.759 is the book available? I assume you can get it 329 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.880 about it anywhere, but give what's the easiest way for 330 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:02.799 people to get your book? 331 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:04.240 Sure? 332 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.079 So I mean It is available on all the biggies, 333 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.880 Barz and Noble, Amazon, although I'm a huge fan of 334 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:13.160 independently owned bookstores, so if you probably have one in 335 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:14.920 your in your town, that's a great place to go 336 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.599 get it. And if you go to my website, which 337 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.680 is Amanda Rotundo dot com, you can buy it there 338 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:23.440 and I can sign it for you. Or it makes 339 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:25.720 a great gift. Father's Dave's coming up. It's a great 340 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.440 dad book. I can I can sign it and send 341 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:28.799 it out. 342 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.359 Sounds great, Amanda Rotundo and everybody in there's not a 343 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.480 spell Amanda, but rotundo R ro t O, d O, 344 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:41.160 r O t o and d o Amanda Rotundo pronounced 345 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.799 as spelled. And thank you so much. Dot com. We 346 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:47.359 got to put the dot com in there as well. 347 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:48.799 Thanks Amanda, appreciate it very much. 348 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:51.400 Take care, You're very welcome. 349 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.319 All right, and we get back. We're going to talk 350 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:57.400 about these darn gen Z employees. We've done this, these 351 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:59.160 switts of stories a lot. I'm going to talk with 352 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.839 a workplace expert and owner Paul Peters about why jen 353 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:06.200 Z employees and some of them, by the way, I 354 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.680 don't even well, they were only working because they're about 355 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:10.839 twelve years old. These are the youngest. These are the 356 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:16.559 people who were born somewhere around the time of I 357 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.440 don't know, anywhere from nineteen ninety six to two twelve. 358 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:22.759 So the oldest ones at this point are like twenty eight. 359 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:26.599 They're the youngins, they're the tweens and the twenty somethings, 360 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.279 and they apparently are not climbing the corporate ladder. We'll 361 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.759 find out why right after the news at the bottom 362 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:33.440 of the hour. 363 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:39.160 Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio. 364 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:45.400 It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio. 365 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:50.000 All right, we're going to introduce you now to Paul Peters. 366 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.039 Paul Peters to welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir? 367 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:55.240 You're doing great, damn thank you. 368 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.960 Paul is a workplace expert and owner of a company 369 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:03.799 called Covenant Case Management Services. We're going to try to 370 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.720 answer the question I don't know if we can. If 371 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:09.480 anybody can, it will be Paul. Why are so many 372 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:13.079 gen Z employees electing not to climb the corporate ladder. 373 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:19.799 It's called gen Z's conscious unbossing. Let me be very 374 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:23.400 clear for our audience. The first gen Zer was born 375 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:27.359 in nineteen ninety six, so the oldest gen Zer now 376 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:32.119 is about twenty eight, the youngest gen Zers twenty twelve. 377 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:36.039 They're only like twelve years old. So maybe there's some 378 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.519 hope for the young gen z Heres. I don't know 379 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.400 what's going on. Paul Peters, Well, I think. 380 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:45.920 A lot of it, and thank you for letting me 381 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:47.160 be on your show. I think a lot of it 382 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:51.319 is I have three gen Zs my kids, so I 383 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.119 kind of grew up in it. A lot of it 384 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.960 is they have basically observed what it looks like to 385 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.920 be in a boss mentality or a management management position, 386 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.319 and they're like, it's really not worth the money that 387 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.200 you're going to pay me for me to work extra 388 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.559 to climb the corporate ladder with that from their standpoint, 389 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.240 doesn't really reach what they're wanting, and so I think 390 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:14.279 it's just they're basically rebellion, say that's not what I 391 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.279 value in my life. I don't want that kind of success. 392 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.359 So if hypothetically they were a minor league baseball player 393 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.920 or a really good college football player and one of 394 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.559 the coaches said to gen Zs, you know you could 395 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:29.240 get better if you spend a little bit more time 396 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.480 in the batting cage, or maybe you do work a 397 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:33.680 little bit more in the weight room. These kids, these 398 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.119 these kids are gonna say, nah, I don't need that. 399 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.680 I mean, everybody has to work a little harder when 400 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:43.480 they're young. I guess I'm a boomer. I've done nothing 401 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:48.640