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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I'm dan fa Valley coming at

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you with my certified fantabulous host, mister Grant Hughes. We

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are taking a break from our twenty twenty five twenty

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twenty six NBA season look Ahead series to finally, at

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long last, deliver our off season report cards. We said

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we were gonna wait out the restricted free agents. We

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waited out half of them. Over about two thirds or

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exactly two thirds are the ones in the East, so

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it's time. We don't know what's gonna happen with Quenton Grimes.

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Speaker 2: But so be it.

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Speaker 1: We waited until this is later than last year. Grant,

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we waited until September last year, but it was not

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late September. As a quick reminder before we get started,

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housekeeping notes. So we now get to the most important

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question of the day, of the week, of the month,

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of the year of the millennia. Quite frankly, Grant, how

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the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I feel a little disappointed in us because we caved

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in the restricted free agency staring contest, which seems to

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be how those have been defined. We just had to

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do the podcast. We couldn't wait for Sorry, Jonathan Aminga

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an agent Aaron Turner, Well, we didn't have time.

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Speaker 1: Kamina has time still, He's got like another week before

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we get to the Warriors.

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Speaker 3: Just eons of time. Yeah, I'm glad to be here,

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glad to do this. This is a good This isn't

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like a closing the book on the off season necessarily,

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because as you said, like it's kind of still ongoing

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in pockets. But we're gonna get some grades down and

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we are going to stop thinking about the off season

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and look forward to the regular season with more look

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aheads and just with more predictive stuff coming up. So

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this is the look back, I think one of the

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last look backs we're going to do before we turn

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the page.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and for anyone who's interested, we do

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try to hold ourselves accountable, so there will be regrades

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at some point after next season's over, so we can

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go back and see where we got wrong. You're free

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to get angry in the comments. I mean that helps

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juice the out like it what they say. Any bad

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publicity or bad engagement is good engagement technically.

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Speaker 2: So you can get mad.

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Speaker 1: If you're right, we will revisit it and you will

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see how wrong we are on some of these. But

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before we dive in and our order is going to

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be by division, so it's alphabetically by division. We're really

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like we're playing we're playing with fire here, folks. The

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straight alphabet is just tough for us to begin with.

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How So when we're approaching this, just to lay out

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the criteria, what do you think is the biggest element

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that us and everybody else needs to keep in mind?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so to try to kind of I don't know,

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not streamline it, but keep this as as as consistent

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as possible for regrade purpose is among other things, what

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we're looking at is we're trying to save ourselves work

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ultimately down the line, That's really what this has all

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been about. What we're looking at is team X. What

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was Team X trying to do in the off season?

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What were its goals as nearly as we can determine them?

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And then from there, I think we have to weigh

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in on and this will affect the grade for me.

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I won't speak for you, but to a significant degree,

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do we agree that what they were trying to do

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is what they should have been trying to do? For example,

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like if a team should have blown it up and didn't,

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that's going to hurt their grade for me because they

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just took the wrong path I think, in our in

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my opinion. And then from there, while acknowledging whether or

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not we agree with the direction they're going, how did

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the moves they made serve that purpose? That that, to

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me is kind of the two step process for our evaluation.

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is that like that's not a bad grade, it's you

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did fine. We're not saying you did poorly. We're also

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not saying you did well. It was it was like satisfactory.

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it like fairly concise with our with our our criteria.

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Speaker 1: I think the only thing I would add is that

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these are not not every team is graded on the

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same scale because all of them have so throw out

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their directions for a minute. All of them have different

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types of resources available. The Nets had cap space and

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basically no other team did. So it's like they're like

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you're viewing them through that lens. And also their aims matter,

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so whether we agree with it or not, as you mentioned,

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the Nets are not trying to win, and so the

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fact that they don't look like a playoff team, they

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don't just get an F.

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Speaker 2: This is not straight.

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Speaker 1: We're grading teams according to what's their win loss record

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going to be. It's relative to expectations and their vision

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and as Grant mentioned, but I'll just echo like, yes,

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our subjective opinions on was this the right move or

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direction will creep into how we go about evaluating all

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of these squads.

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Speaker 2: Yep, well said, do you have any You have anything

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think we should get into it.

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Speaker 1: We begin with the Atlanta Hawks. Do you want to

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take us through this first list of transactions?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 3: So, the big one that will probably take up a

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fair amount of our discussion here. On draft night, the

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Hawks traded the number thirteen pick to the Pelicans for

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number twenty three and a twenty twenty six first round

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pick unprotected. That pick will be the most favorable of

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the Pelicans or Milwaukee's. I think you have Indian the

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graphic unless I have that wrong ology. Yeah, so we'll

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get into that. Just to run through a few more here.

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Atlanta also acquired Nikhil Alexander Walker and a sign and

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trade for Cleveland's twenty twenty seven second and a one

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and a half and one point five million Alexander Walker

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that was then signed as part of that to a

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four year, sixty point six million dollars deal. There's a

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player option on the final year. Signed and traded Clint

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Capella to Houston. That was part of a much larger

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trade for a twenty thirty one second round swap coming

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from the Rockets and David Roddy, who was waived. They

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created six point seven million dollar tree exception there. What else.

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Traded the number twenty two pick in Terrence Mann to

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Boston for Kristaps Porzingis, who's on an expiring thirty point

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seven million dollar salary. Signed Luken Ard to one year,

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eleven million dollar deal as the non tax part of

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the non tax mid level traded Kobe Buffkin. We hardly

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knew y to Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: For one hundred and ten thousand dollars the minimum amount,

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need a minimum amount?

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Speaker 3: Boy, what a what a saga? The Kobe buffkinsa just

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really never got off the ground. Yeah, So sign Nefali

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Dante to a two year, four and a half million

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dollar deal, and signed Nicola Jurisich, the number forty three pick,

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to a three year, five point nine million dollar deal.

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Only the first year of that contract is guaranteed. So Dan,

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we're going to start here. I think there's kind of

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there's like one big trade, the Draft Night trade, and

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then sort of the accumulation of three starting caliber but

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we'll just call them rote level pieces to have kind

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of built a pretty nasty eight man group for a

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Hawks team that notoriously tax averse but is trying to

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win as best as it can this season. So how

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would you define their direction? And then what do you

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think about take any of those moves that you want

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to like hit first in service of that direction.

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Speaker 1: This has this become a cliche, but it feels like

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they're trying to straddle two timelines to where they clearly

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have some young guys they're invested in, but they also

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want to win now, and they're also trying to juggle

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all of that with well, Trey Young is extension eligible,

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and as we're recording this, Trey Young does not have

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an extension. He's gonna have a player option for next summer.

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So you don't want to get in too deep, like

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going all in on necessarily any one direction, especially when

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you don't know what's gonna happen with Trey. However, because

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your first round picks are going to be controlled by

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the Spurs in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven,

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you're kind of obligated to go for it, even though

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you've replaced a lot of that draft equity. I mean,

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the unpet to pick you got for dropping down ten

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spots in the draft. And when you look at how

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they went about that goal, I would not only say

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they aced it, but they almost idealized to me the

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vision of what a team should look like around Trey Young,

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because I think it's not just about, oh, look at

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all of these different rangeye defenders that they have. You

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can say, look at all this These rangy defensive players

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they have who are not liabilities on the offensive end either,

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and so there might be some questions about the secondary

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ball handling still, maybe the shooting overall. I still don't

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really know what Dyson Daniels is going to be on offense,

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even though he showed some strides last year. But you

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have a team that can conceivably defend at a high

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level Around Trey Young. You've given him a real floor,

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spacing big and like the offense could. It feels like

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the offense and the defense can peak at the same time,

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which is not something that you could even going back

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to the Eastern Conference Finals team from basically a half

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decade ago, I don't think you ever could have said

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that about that squad. So I look at this and

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I say they were trying to straddle a tricky line,

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but I feel like they did it and then still

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somehow exceeded expectations relative to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's interesting that this is the first

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team we're gonna talk about and it's and I'm gonna

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sort of dismiss some of our criteria right off the bat,

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Like whatever you think their goals were, And I do

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you have to factor in lack of control of some

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incoming of their own future first rounders. Sort of means

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you like tanking was never on the table, not that

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you would have with this roster that has young pieces

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and is promising. It is pretty good if you just

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go down the list of the major transactions, starting with

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the Draft night trade, like that's just a smart, good trade.

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Like the value they got there is insane, like we're

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gonna kill the Pelicans for I mean, it's sort of

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like we're just the horse has been dead for months

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and we're just still kicking it on this one, I think.

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And everybody is like, this is a short of Luka.

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Doncis like, is this the most universally like recognized heis, uh,

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that we've seen in just a long time, right, like

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ten spots of moving up for right, And if you

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this is one of the I think that the draft

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pick that that Atlanta got here is I think pretty

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clearly the most valuable one to change hands this offseason,

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right and and and it cost him a ten spot

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drop in in you know, middle of the first round.

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So uh, that's a win. Whether you're trying to be

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better this year or in five, right, Like, that's just

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the value, that's the values right there. Getting porzingis for nothing,

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Luke Canard at that number totally fine, whether you're just

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looking for help for your young guys now or someone

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that's gonna be on the floor in fourth quarters potentially

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because you need secondary playmaking and shooting. Alexander Walker, we

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love him. That's a good that's a good pay rate

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for a player of his caliber that could start for you.

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He's not going to, but if you needed him to write,

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and so it's just like.

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Speaker 2: Well they have the other thing.

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Speaker 1: They have seven you mentioned like eight, like of the

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eight guys that you like, seven of them have a

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case to just start sure, which.

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Speaker 3: Is insane, and and just again to just to drill

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down on it. Whatever you think Atlanta's intentions were, these

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are moves you make regardless because like, well, well, if

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we're rebuilding, we don't want Alexander Walker at that number. Yeah,

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actually I think you might because you can trade him

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for positive value if it comes to that, right, Like,

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valuable you're gonna get something good for him. So most

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of Atlanta's major moves, all of them really just makes sense,

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regardless of what you think they should have been trying

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to do. Like you just they're all ones you say

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Speaker 2: From Atlanta's perspective, the just a couple quick.

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Speaker 1: Notes that pick and this really just has says everything

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about the Pelicans more so than the Bucks. Who there's

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some variants, I think in their best and worst case outcomes.

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But would you be shocked if that twenty twenty six

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first round pick is not a lottery selection?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah? Frame it another way. Do I expect it

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to be a lottery selection?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I do very strongly. I mean, like, I honestly think

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like the odds of it being a top five pick

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are pretty high just just because like Zion goes down,

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the Pelicans are one of the five worst teams in

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the league. We're just that's where we are. And it

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doesn't even that doesn't even need to be the thing

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that happens that gets on that low.

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing is that Zion could not

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go down and the Pelicans still might be one of

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the five.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: It does that that that would be sufficient, Like if

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Zion getting hurt would be sufficient to get them a

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top five pick. It's not necessary. There are other ways

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that this could get you know, this could be such

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a high value asset.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I don't. I know Luke Canard can

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do things off the dribble. I might like to, but

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I don't know what the alternative was. But I have

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preferred Tias Jones here Lukenard probably not because at least

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Luke Canard can play alongside Trey Young, but giving him

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eleven million dollars and now without Kobe Buffkin there, not

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that he was going to play a big role. It's okay,

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you really need Jalen Johnson, Dyson Daniels and Luke Canard

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to do a lot of ball handling unless you're gonna

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expand that part of Zachary Resiche's game. Again, just nitpicking here,

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and I'm gonna follow it up with a compliment. You

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give up on Kobe Buffkin, which in a way was

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cost cutting move, but because you just have those trade

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exceptions and now you're more than seven million dollars beneath

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the tax, which we all know that the Atlanta Hawks

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are not gonna pay. They become a team to watch

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on the trade market, like they still have thirteen plus

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million I think from the Bogdanovitch trade exception and then

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plus the six point seven million dollar TP that you

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noted they created as part of the Klin Capella sign

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and trade. That's just really smart for an office maneuvering.

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The one thing that I feel like I really could

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have her them home for is like, why was'nt acei

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sala like just named like the lead front office executive

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right off the bat, Because this is a master stroke

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of an off season.

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Speaker 3: It is great, it's in it like we can we

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can dispense the spoiler's.

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Speaker 2: Grit, which is the entire point of the process there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they weren't easy A I don't know, like

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how much better it necessarily needed to be. This is

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not I I'm ready to say spicy things about the Hawks.

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Next season, they are they could be one of the

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four three or four best teams in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: We move on to the Charlotte Hornets, So we begin

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with They drafted Conkinipple number four. They traded Mark Williams

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and Phoenix's own twenty twenty nine second round pick back

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to the Suns for the number twenty nine pick, which

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became Liam McNeely, also Vasilee Michitz and a twenty twenty

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nine first round pick. That first round pick is going

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to be the least favorable of Cleveland, Minnesota and Utah.

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They then traded Vassille Michits to Milwaukee for Pat Conaton

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and two second round picks in two thousand and thirty

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one and two thousand and thirty two. They re signed

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Trey Mann to a three year, twenty four million dollar deal.

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There's a team option on the final year of that contract.

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They signed Mason Plumbley to a one year minimum deal.

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They signed Spencer didn't want he to do a one

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year minimum deal. They signed the number thirty four overall

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pick Ryan Kalkbrenner to a four year ten million dollar deal,

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the first two years of which are guaranteed. And they

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signed the number thirty, the thirty third overall pick si

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On James, to a four year, ten million dollar deal

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that's also the first two years.

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Speaker 2: Are guaranteed grant. What is what was this team trying

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to do this offseason?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think so, Charlotte. The pivot since the Jordan

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ownership changed over has kind of been to just focus

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on picking up little wins. It feels like and not reaching,

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not thinking you're closer than you are to I don't

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know what you want to say, playoff contention, play in contention, whatever.

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It's really just been about smart asset management, opportunistic trades.

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Like there's the case in point. There's nothing here as

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we're looking at the rundown that feels like it's not

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like a high impact move or not anything you'd say was.

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We're talking about second round picks and salary dumps and

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like just little you know, little flips here and flips there,

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small smart signings of guys that are like, I don't know,

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maybe they're deep rotation players, talking about like the plumb

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Leis and Dinwitties of the world to minimum deals. I

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just think Charlotte is trying to be patient, trying to

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be careful, trying to manage his assets, trying to accumulate

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assets that maybe there's a point down the road where

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all these extra seconds are picking up turn into or

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facilitate a larger deal. They're just not overstretching themselves and

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they're not chasing short term gains. So I don't know

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if that, I don't know how how I would like

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in one word describe what their intentions are other than

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to just maybe the word is like deliberate or or

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like measured. So but to that end, like they made

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just a bunch of little and I don't use that

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as a pejorative, like smart transactions. Nothing nothing earth shattering,

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nothing needle moving, but just picking up assets where they

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can right like, and I think that's what they should

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be doing. So I guess maybe the starting point is

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I agree with their approach. You can't do this forever,

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but for now, I think it makes sense given where

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they are.

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Speaker 2: They also, was this not an off season trade?

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Speaker 1: Because I don't have it on here and I'm just no,

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I must have skipped it over, so I'll edit and post.

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But they traded use of Nurkic for Collin Sexton and

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a two thirty second round pick. That trade is still

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like one of the most puzzling ones to me from

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the Jazz is respective. They gave up great, they gave

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up the better player on the better contract, and they

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were the ones including picks. I don't I think I've

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mentioned this before. My favorite conspiracy theory is that they

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did it so that Charlotte wouldn't take Ace Bailey before them,

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and that I would respect it if that's why it

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was done, but that would be a small price pay.

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I would echo everything you say there. And I also

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just like the idea that, Okay, you can look at

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this team and say, why haven't they done anything more

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aggressive at the center position. I don't think getting into

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the Mark Williams long term business was going to be

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a great idea for them anyway, And there's something to

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be said about leaning into actual shooting around the mellow

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ball like his teammates the past three seasons, Grant. This

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is where his teammates have ranked in three point efficiency

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twenty twenty three, the zero fixth percentile, twenty twenty four,

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the eighteenth percentile, twenty twenty five, the eighteenth percentile. So

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like having Conker Nipple, Liam McNeely, Colin sext In if

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Trey Mann is healthy there. I like the fact that

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they have actual floor spacing and even secondary creation around

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him to where now if Brandon Miller goes down again

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or has a down year, they're not like they have

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other options on the offensive end to go about that.

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And I just like to echo what you said again.

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I like that they're not rushing anything from that perspective,

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and so there's probably still things that need to be

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done with the futzing and fiddling of filling some holes.

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But I think that they had a really good or

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like a rock solid offseason overall. If you're looking for

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them to make this big win loss jump if they're healthier, maybe,

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but that should not have been the endgame of this

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offseason specifically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: So where did you end up? Would you end up

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giving them?

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Speaker 3: I gave him a B. I think it's just like

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I guess, really you could give it an A just

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because they kind of succeeded in their modest goals, but

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be felt about right, just like, no, I don't have

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any you could criticize the man, but it's like it's

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eight million dollars a year. Who cares like that? That

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could actually pay off if you lose LaMelo for any

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stretch of time, you got somebody else that can handle

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the ball.

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Speaker 1: And he's been when he's been healthy on the road,

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like he's flame throwing in Charlotte for the most part.

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So I think that's reasonable. I went B plus like

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you said, you probably could bump up.

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Speaker 2: To an A.

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Speaker 1: I really like mcneili and Canipple, but I think I

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probably just watched too much Summer Lea and went off vibes,

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so that could be trying to like take that in there.

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I think the reason not to give them an a

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would be, I don't know if Diabate or Mason Plumley

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or call Bretten like, that's your center rotation.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You can still not mortgage your future and have a

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better center rotation than perhaps the worst center rotation in

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the league.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty rough.

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Speaker 2: Hurry up to next grant.

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Speaker 3: So they drafted Kasparasikucionis at number twenty.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Brought back Davian Mitchell for two years and twenty four million.

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Traded Duncan Robinson to the Pistons for Simoni fontechio U,

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Kyle Anderson and Kevin Love to the Jazz for Norman

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Powell from the Clippers. Kind of a three team deal there.

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I may talk about this when traded Hayward high Smith

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and a twe thirty two second to the Nets for

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a twenty twenty six second. Brooklyn's twenty twenty six twenty

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twenty six second has top fifty five protections, so.

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Speaker 2: Uh, fake high real high value there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fake pick signed Drew Smith to a three year,

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seven point nine million dollars deal. The first year that's

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guaranteed picked u Kashaw Johnson's two million dollar team options.

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So uh not your I don't know. I've been thinking

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a lot about this lately, Like do we need to

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sort of recalibrate our impression of the heat as just

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like relentless big game hunters that this is a failure

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because they didn't go out and trade for the next

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All Star or you know what I mean, Like that's

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that's the reputation they seem to have. I would say

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though that like find me the transaction here that's subjectively

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pull like there's nothing bad here. He really Oh well,

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the high Smith one may may be worth talking about,

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but like the focus for me is getting like Powell's

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not gonna be as good as he was last year.

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Like that's just an insane, out of nowhere career. You're

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at an advanced age. But for Kyle Anderson and Kevin

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Love like and this is Tyler Hero by the way,

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just as we're recording today ankle surgery, So any concerns

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you had, like, well, can Powell and Hero be in

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the same backcourt?

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Speaker 2: Together.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have to worry about that for a while.

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So Powell's just a really good scorer that they got

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for nothing. What do you want to talk about Highsmith?

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Is that where you're leaning? I feel like we should

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discuss that a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I know, he's injured, but he's on an expiring contract

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for under six million.

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Speaker 2: Bucks and you needed to give up.

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Speaker 1: But this just proves that the Heat still don't value

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second round. But twenty thirty two second round pick to

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get off that money, that's gonna be a situation where

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and we'll get to the nets. But they're gonna get

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a pick for him, and they're gonna get a pick

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when they trade him again.

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't that's I.

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Speaker 3: Know, that's the thing that like they're gonna why why

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not if it's the tack, if it's a tax issue

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or whatever, just keep high Smith and trim somewhere else

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because you know you're gonna be able to flip high

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00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:50,240
Smith to a contender.

480
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: I think what the problem is is that they really couldn't.

481
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,480
They're not built to cut somewhere else without giving up

482
00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:58,640
multiple players, and Terry Rosier is just a non starter.

483
00:21:58,759 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: But here's my thing.

484
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 1: You have until the end of the year the league

485
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,000
year to get out of the tax did was Hayward Heigsmith.

486
00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:10,119
Is the injury so bad that he's just gonna have

487
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,279
no value afterwards and you're gonna be saddled with what

488
00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:14,599
would have been a smaller tax bill. So I don't

489
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,400
understand the urgency of Miami to make that move. It

490
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,960
was like, it's not unforgivable, but the logic to me

491
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,200
was kind of baffling, is the way I would put it.

492
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 3: It makes you feel like there's something we don't understand, right.

493
00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:29,640
It's that kind of trade where it's like, what that

494
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,880
doesn't that doesn't add up to me. It's it feels like,

495
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,319
again we regard the heat as like pretty smart transactors, like,

496
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,519
what what's going on here with this one that that

497
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,039
doesn't there's something fishy about that one.

498
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:42,759
Speaker 1: And maybe it comes out that the injury is worse

499
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:44,480
and then that's aren't able to get value for him

500
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,279
or something. But I'm like, looking at what he shot

501
00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:48,680
from three last year, the defensive workload he shoulder, and

502
00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:50,920
they gave up the second round pick. It just it

503
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,279
felt premature to do that, and by the way. Worst

504
00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:56,680
case scenario, let's say he's a net zero, you can't

505
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,920
just send that same exact contract and that same as

506
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,640
to asset into a team's trade exception or mid level

507
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,480
exceptions at the trade deadline.

508
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely could have done that otherwise.

509
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the Powell deal looks even better now because

510
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,440
of the Tyler hero injury. And as you said, he's

511
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:15,680
Powell's not gonna be as good as he was last year,

512
00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:19,519
but he showed growth as this player who doesn't need

513
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,599
to play alongside another top tier creator all the time.

514
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,759
He shot over fifty percent from two and over forty

515
00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:27,799
two percent from three when playing without both Harden and

516
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,799
Kawhi Leonard and so like the heat have bam Adebayo. Still,

517
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,039
I think Pelee Larson is gonna be big for them

518
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,000
this year. Uh, but just to get him, like in general,

519
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,240
for when an offense that struggles to draw fouls and

520
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:42,359
generate pressure on the rim without Jimmy Butler and he's

521
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,200
no longer there and was barely there last year to

522
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,920
begin with, that's something that Norman Powell can do. It's

523
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,559
not the traditional frum scratch creation, but getting downhill, drawing

524
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,119
fowls bombing the hell out of three pointers, and you

525
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,079
gave up nothing and no one who was important to

526
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,839
your short or your long term right vision here and

527
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,720
by the way you talk about at the top, we

528
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,319
view the Heat as these big time transactors their approach

529
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,079
or more conservative approach to not going harder after Kevin Durant.

530
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,079
I'm sure they would have went hard after Joan's like

531
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,079
who else was available?

532
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,839
Speaker 2: Number one? Like they didn't need to be the Desmond

533
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:15,400
Bayne team.

534
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:19,799
Speaker 1: This approach was almost validated or absolved if you were

535
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,599
in disagreement with it because of the Tyler Hero injury,

536
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,680
because where were they gonna go had they let's say

537
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,599
they trade for Kevin Durant, You're much worse without Tyler

538
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,359
Hero if he goes down anyway, So I think, like

539
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:34,359
on balance, this ended up being a pretty good offseason

540
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:34,839
for them.

541
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,319
Speaker 3: Yep, I agree, and I so I gave him a

542
00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:38,880
B minus. I had him at a B And then

543
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,480
the more I thought about the high Smith trade, the

544
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,240
less I liked it, and I just dumped him down

545
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,000
to a B minus.

546
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: I stuck with a BEE.

547
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,799
Speaker 1: I think the Norman Powell trade was like kind of

548
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:47,920
that big of a steal and it's also sort of

549
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,880
why you know, it's a good thing that they weren't

550
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,759
trying to wait to like go after another big player.

551
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:57,519
Because the Clippers like basically needed to make that deal

552
00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:59,480
to ensure they could get Bradley Beale. It felt like,

553
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,200
you're just it's not even you look at the Clippers

554
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,920
end of it. It's not like it was a heist

555
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,079
for the heat. But it's not because the Clippers were stupid.

556
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,000
It's because there were these other moving parts involved. The

557
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:11,720
only thing that I could have dinged them for is

558
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,000
I was for a team that claims to be prioritizing

559
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,640
cap space. I was surprised that Davion Mitchell got two

560
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,079
guaranteed years. I think the deal is fine, but that

561
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,960
was the one that stood out to me. Now, I

562
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,519
don't think I think capspace is officially overrated. It can

563
00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:25,559
be used in trades, but grant, when's the last time

564
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:28,440
you saw a player who's gonna make an All NBA

565
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:30,039
team just traded into cap space?

566
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:35,079
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, This is part of the apron error reevaluations.

567
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,160
We have to do, Like what just we got to

568
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,200
stop fixating on all they could spend. They got this

569
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,359
much spending power Okay, what's gonna come of it? Because

570
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,839
it doesn't seem like it matters as much.

571
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,519
Speaker 1: So in my head, I'm like, oh, they could have

572
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,880
had forty plus million in cap space if Davion Mitchell's

573
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,359
deals not guaranteed and Andrew Wiggins ops out. And it's

574
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,880
one Andrew Wigs might not opt out in two. I

575
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,079
don't know that it matters that if you like forty

576
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,920
million dollars and thirty million dollars in cap space, I

577
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,319
don't know that it would make a difference for them.

578
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,680
So I went b our Next team up, mister Grant

579
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,880
Hughes is the Orlando Magic.

580
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,599
Speaker 2: They are my team. They did some stuff? Did you

581
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:09,559
know they did some stuff? Grant? You think we're my

582
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,519
breaking news to you?

583
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: So the big one they traded Cole Anthony Contagious called

584
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,319
Loo Pope the number sixteen pick, which became Young Hansen,

585
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,039
a twenty twenty six first via Orlando Phoenix or Washington,

586
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,200
a twenty twenty eight first, and a twenty twenty nine

587
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,279
first that's a swap, as well as a twenty thirty

588
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,839
first to Memphis for one Desmond Baine. They drafted Jase

589
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,599
Richardson at number twenty five. They traded number forty six,

590
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,920
which ended up being a Mauri Williams number fifty seven

591
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,319
match Max Shuga, a twenty twenty six second round pick

592
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,920
most favorable from Detroit, Milwaukee, Orlando, and a twenty twenty

593
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,000
seven second round swap to Boston for what was the

594
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,680
number thirty two pick. They selected Noah Penda signed him

595
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:53,480
using the I think that ended up being the second

596
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,799
round exception type deal. They signed Higas Jones for one year,

597
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:58,799
seven million dollars that came out of their non tax

598
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:02,200
player mid level exception. They re signed Mo Wagner for

599
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:05,079
one year five million dollars, and then they signed Palo

600
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Bankaro to a five year, two hundred and forty one

601
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,680
point four million dollar max extension. It can go up

602
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,200
to almost two hundred and ninety million dollars if he

603
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,839
makes all NBA. So that's the thirty percent language. And

604
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:20,839
unlike Franz Wagner, Grant, he got a player option.

605
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: Good are you what was what were the magic trying

606
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,319
to do here? Grant? Can you identify that for me?

607
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: I think they were trying to do some version of

608
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,559
what we and everyone else has been screaming at them

609
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,480
to do for going on. It feels like forever, but

610
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:38,920
really like two plus years, which is you have to

611
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,160
improve the offense, you have to find shooting, you have

612
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,960
to find playmaking in the back court. So Desmond Bane

613
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Antias Jones, much to a much lesser extent, address those

614
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,480
things now. Uh I don't you. Critics could say, well,

615
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,640
a couple of things. One that's too much first round

616
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,160
equity to give up for a player in Bain who's

617
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,319
never made an All Star Game, has like one hundred

618
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,920
and sixty plus coming his way over the next four years,

619
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,599
and you still don't have enough shooting would be like

620
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,279
the one guy still still not enough because if Franz

621
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,400
Wagner is gonna shoot under thirty percent, that's a problem. Paolo,

622
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000
I think it can improve there, but I don't think

623
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,599
Ben Caro is going to be someone that's getting up

624
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,519
ten threes a game and hitting you know, thirty six,

625
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,279
thirty seven, thirty eight percent of them. Maybe that happens,

626
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,319
but yeah, So they're trying to win now, they're trying

627
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,759
to climb the East standings in a season where Boston, Indiana,

628
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,759
potentially the Sixers are all compromised by injuries. The first

629
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:49,119
two definitely the third one probably so with some distance

630
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,400
from it. How does the five first round assets for

631
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,279
Desmond Banes strike you now today as a value proposition.

632
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,359
Speaker 2: I think it's fine, but it's not a part of

633
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:02,880
the value.

634
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: There is they got off the KCP contract, so you

635
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,880
were paying for that as well. And the other thing

636
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,680
too is I think some people painted as you got

637
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,759
off the Cole Anthony contract, which I thought that was overblown.

638
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,359
But also he ended up brokering a buy out with

639
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,720
the Grizzlies, so maybe having the one guaranteed year on

640
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,599
his deal actually at thirteen.

641
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:22,799
Speaker 2: Million was pretty bad.

642
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Desmond Bain can be an All Star in the Eastern Conference.

643
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,240
He's the exact he's I don't think he's the only

644
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,559
player that they needed, but he is one of the

645
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,960
exact archetype of players that this offense needed. And if

646
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,440
you told me that the top of this team, and

647
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,440
I mean Jalen Suggs, Desmond Bain, Palo Bank Hero and

648
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,440
Franz Wagner all remain healthy, there is a chance that

649
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,640
the Magic just have a top ten offense or at

650
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,200
least in elite offense when their best players are on

651
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,119
the court. But what you said, I think here is striking,

652
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,559
they still don't necessarily have enough shooting. Your bet, there's

653
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,599
the shooters I trust on this team are Desmond Bain,

654
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,599
I trust Jalen Suggs, and we can pretty much stop there.

655
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,839
Speaker 3: And a lot of people, by the way, would say

656
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,079
I don't trust Jalen Suggs like that that I agree

657
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,440
with you to some extent, but like I'm just I'm

658
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,599
just emphasizing your point, like even that is like I

659
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,920
don't know, maybe.

660
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: So And I think look, the the Franz Wagner jumper

661
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,279
stuff euro basket didn't necessarily help with the way people

662
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,640
are going to view that. Like you said, with ban Caro,

663
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:28,599
I think the efficiency is gonna end up being so

664
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,359
much better because of all the space he has, But

665
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,160
I don't know what the volume proposition there is going

666
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,079
to be for him. So this is not to like

667
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,640
crap all over what they did, because they need like

668
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,839
Tias Jones is gonna end up I think, being pretty

669
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,640
big to this team. I'm curious to see whether Jamal

670
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,880
Mosley plays him because we know that he favors the

671
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,680
defense first players. But they still need to get like

672
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,839
that's not it. You have enough creation and playmaking in

673
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,240
theory from Wagner and ban Caro and Baine and even Suggs,

674
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,440
but you don't have a game manager to it's just

675
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,119
like someone who's gonna put players in their spots to

676
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,319
run more of like the traditional offensive stuff. And I

677
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:08,039
think that I think Ben Carroll could probably get there,

678
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,000
but like that's not Desmond Bain's game. No, like that's

679
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:15,200
not really Franz Wagner's game. So there's a having tire

680
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Stones important. I'm curious say how much he plays. So

681
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,799
I think that was a great signing. But it like

682
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,079
sort of at the end of it all the two

683
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,160
things that stand out of they're shooting and then Grant

684
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,759
like the wing depth here is not great, Like you

685
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880
really need Tristan da Silva to be good or like

686
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,240
a no appenda to contribute as a rookie. It seems

687
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,920
like the ship has sailed on the Jet Howard experience.

688
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,079
So it's and that's a weird thing. You have Franz Vagner,

689
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,920
you have Padlo, Ben Carroll, you have Desmond Baine, but

690
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,240
like when you start to look at the bench, like

691
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,960
this team is kind of like shallow ish where it's

692
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,759
definitely shallow on the wings you have bigs like for

693
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,079
days and my final this is more of a musing.

694
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: It didn't factor into their grade.

695
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,319
Speaker 1: But I do look at this as a roster that,

696
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,799
oh they're gonna trade somebody because they're within five point

697
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,960
six million dollars of ducking attacks and with ben Carrol

698
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,079
extension kicking in next year, having traded for Baine, having

699
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,000
extended Franz Wagner, I don't think there's a chance in

700
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,480
hell that they allow the like the tax repeater Clark

701
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,079
to clock to start this year.

702
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree. A couple of things I'd add,

703
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,200
just on the Bane front. It it's a lot just

704
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,160
the volume, the number of picks, if you could, if

705
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,759
you consider it from like an opportunity cost like standpoint

706
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,039
of well, what could you get in a separate trade

707
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,200
involving two of those or something, you know something, it's

708
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,319
just like that. That is a lot of first round assets.

709
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,039
But if Orlando's as good as it should be as

710
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,039
a result of this trade, they're gonna be in the

711
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,079
twenties maybe you know what I mean like that, So

712
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,319
you I guess that's not always a fair way to

713
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,799
evaluate outgoing picks. It's like, well, we're gonna be good,

714
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,720
so they wouldn't have been that useful to us, Like

715
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:50,839
that kind of dismisses their value as potentially being used

716
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,839
in another trade. But but that's something that I that

717
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,119
persuades me a little bit more to the side of

718
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,000
this being I think it was a good trade. I

719
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:00,519
think it made sense. The other thing is like if

720
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,880
they hadn't given up these picks, or they hadn't swung

721
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960
quite as big and they'd gone and they got Luke Kennard,

722
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,200
or or like things resolved with Malik Beasley and they

723
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,519
end up with Malik Beasley, I think I think we

724
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:17,119
would be less excited about that, just because those are

725
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,759
role playing guys that maybe are on the floor at

726
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,880
the end of games and maybe aren't. And Orlando is

727
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,640
a good enough team with its core to be like,

728
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,079
we kind of need a guy that's like a non

729
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:30,440
negotiable closer in an Eastern Conference Finals game, right like that,

730
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,519
and Bane is that. So I do think like the

731
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,839
level of this trade was appropriate, like it needed to

732
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,160
be because they tried it with KCP it didn't work.

733
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,839
Going back to that, well, I think we would have

734
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,599
partly because of like they burned us last year because

735
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
we love the KCP move so much, Like we would

736
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,359
have not liked it as much because it's like not enough, right,

737
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,079
It's like a half measure almost, So they went this

738
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,759
was a full measure. They went for the guy that

739
00:33:56,839 --> 00:34:01,200
cost a lot, that potentially helps a lot, even if

740
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,039
we conceive not quite enough shooting. So that's all to say.

741
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,079
I think it was probably worth it. I think it

742
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:10,840
was the right decision, and I can use that rationale

743
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,119
to get over the five first round assets.

744
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

745
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,559
Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, we know we already know what

746
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,000
one of them was in number sixteen, and so I

747
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,800
mean like if they were not gonna take young handsome,

748
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,880
like so if he turns into a superstar, that's they

749
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,920
were never gonna take him anyway, the like, So, what

750
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,320
are the picks here with the highest upside? So I

751
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,960
guess it's because the Phoenix pick is involved in twenty

752
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,280
twenty six, but you're basically ending up with the second

753
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,679
most favorable if Phoenix are so, like, yeah, maybe that

754
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,760
could be a high pick there, but the twenty twenty

755
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,519
eight probably not a ton of upside. I guess once

756
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,920
you get to two thousand and thirty, I just think

757
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,960
it was reasonable but I wanted to pose the question

758
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,639
to you. I don't think it was an A plus

759
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,920
move where it's like they robbed the Grizzlies. I really

760
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,199
don't think that's what it was, But I wanted to

761
00:34:57,199 --> 00:34:59,320
ask you, would you have rather had I'm just mapping

762
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,280
out a scenario what the Magic did, or knowing you

763
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,079
probably wouldn't have had to give up as much first

764
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,760
round equity and had Kobe White, Anthony Simon's and Simoni

765
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,639
Fontacchio or Duncan Robinson.

766
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,519
Speaker 2: I think those three players.

767
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Maybe some leftover draft equity versus what the Magic did

768
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:16,880
this offseason.

769
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: Well, which is to say Baine right, like you can

770
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,000
have Bane or you can have I say Bane. I

771
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,559
think just because those guys are all good role players

772
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,119
and they do like you would have, maybe we wouldn't

773
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,280
be saying they don't have enough three point shooting if

774
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,760
you added like three guys that would that are kind

775
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,000
of defined by the ability to stretch the floor. Then

776
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,400
can't you just imagine though, that we get to April

777
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,960
May and we're like, they can't play half these guys.

778
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,719
You know, it's it's not enough, like they they just

779
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,840
don't have another fringe all star maybe actually is an

780
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,400
All Star player in.

781
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:54,159
Speaker 2: A white line.

782
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,599
Speaker 3: Maybe, but White does make it interesting. I'd still rather

783
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,400
have Bane. I think i'd rather Liane Bay.

784
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: I just think if you were to pick that, I

785
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,440
was just trying to find an alternative path they could

786
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,119
have traveled, and if you prefer that one, I think

787
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,519
it needs to come down to Kobe White's going to

788
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:13,239
be cheaper than Desmond Bay, not just this season, but

789
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,480
moving forward, and you're worried about the salary structure otherwise,

790
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:19,840
I think the high end talent play here though. And

791
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,880
the thing that none of those guys who I named

792
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,280
in the alternative scenario address, like Desmond Baying can give

793
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,519
you some defense. He's not going to torpedo and their defense.

794
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's implied with the idea that he's going

795
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,679
to be on the floor. Like the other thing. I

796
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,480
think we'll talk about this with the Knicks a little bit,

797
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,480
or this was something that I was thinking about with

798
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:41,719
the Bridges deal, like, yeah, you can agree if you're

799
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,480
a team at a certain level, like you know, if

800
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,119
you're a good team that's trying to get something above

801
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:48,920
good right to where like now we're going to talk

802
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,199
about Orlando's maybe they finished that. I mean, third feels

803
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,119
are totally realistic in the East, and that was just

804
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:55,800
a question of can they be higher than that?

805
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Like the answer is yes, by the way,

806
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,239
if they're healthy, like they could be better than either

807
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,119
one of the Cows or the Knicks, of course.

808
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,679
Speaker 3: And so I think when you're at that level, you

809
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,079
almost have to accept that you're gonna have someone on

810
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,840
the roster that fills a desperate need that maybe costs

811
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,199
a little too much like that, Like and Bridges kind

812
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,840
of feels that way. Annobe for the Knicks not to

813
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,639
go Nicks on this, but like the Knicks are at

814
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:21,199
the level where it's like you just gotta you just

815
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,800
gotta get the guys because you're close. And I think

816
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,039
I think Bain falls into that a little bit for Orlando,

817
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,320
Like I don't know that he's a great dollar for

818
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,679
production value, but like it's just hard to get a

819
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,639
guy that's that good at this level where where the

820
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,360
Magic are and have it be a screaming deal, Like

821
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:37,760
you just.

822
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,199
Speaker 1: Have to get that sometimes. And I think with you

823
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,719
the mcal Bridges trades a perfect example. Actually think you're

824
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,639
getting better value here, even though Desmond Bain is more

825
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,880
expensive because McKale Bridges did not fix the Knicks's biggest need,

826
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
which was that second star slash primary secondary shock creator.

827
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,639
Speaker 2: That's not what he's supposed to do.

828
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: The Magic got exactly the play of their priorities like

829
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,079
this was the biggest one. He addresses some of like

830
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,599
the ball handling creation stuff and all of their shooting problems. Now,

831
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,119
if you ask him to go in the corner like

832
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,360
maybe and try to marginalize them that way, things get weird.

833
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,280
But what they also did, like the Knicks did. That's

834
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
why such an astute point by you. The Knicks in

835
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:19,559
part gave up so many draft picks because they weren't

836
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,239
sending out anyone of value. When you go back, it

837
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840
was the Bowion Macdonovitch as the salary anchor in the

838
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,840
Magic's case. Not only were they not sending out anyone

839
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719
that was mission critical, they weren't sending out anyone that

840
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,800
you could say was on a value deal. And in

841
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,840
case EP's case, there's probably a lot of people that

842
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,400
argue was a very bad deal, and so you are

843
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,960
that doesn't when we talk about this, I'm sure I'm

844
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,679
guilty of it. At some points, like we don't factor

845
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,159
that ancillary stuff in as much or as much as

846
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:45,719
we should.

847
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,199
Speaker 2: So this is all to say we gave him an f.

848
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, B's all around, and why is it not an

849
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,119
A five first round assets? We think Bain helps but

850
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:58,199
maybe not enough. It would be the short answer.

851
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: You didn't win the Palo Bankaro extension. It's fine, give it.

852
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,639
I think Alban Karro's fantastic. I would have given him

853
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:05,039
the same deal, but give him what he got A

854
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,519
play up. Yeah, So it was a like B is

855
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:11,760
above that, like Grant is be above average significantly.

856
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,079
Speaker 2: We're on to your Washington. Well they're our Washington Wizards.

857
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there, everybody is yours mine. They took Trey Johnson

858
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,559
at number six. They traded the eighteenth pick, which was

859
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,760
Walter Clayton Junior, to the Jazz for number twenty one,

860
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,400
which is Will Riley, number forty three, which was Jamior Watkins,

861
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,000
a twenty thirty one second, which is the most favorable

862
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,199
of indianas or Miami's and Utah's twenty thirty two second.

863
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,639
They also traded Colby Jones to the Thunder for Dylan

864
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Jones and Houston's twenty nine second round pick. Here's a

865
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,920
big one. Traded Jordan Pool, Sadik Bay and number forty,

866
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,239
which is Micah Peeve to the Pelicans and Chicago's twenty

867
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,000
twenty six second and sack the King's twenty twenty nine

868
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,599
second to Houston. This is all getting complicated. Long story short,

869
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,760
Washington winds up with Cam Whitmore, C J. McCollum. Kelly

870
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,679
Olennox later shipped out, we'll talking about in the second

871
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,679
and really gave up Jordan Poole and City Bay and

872
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,480
some seconds changed hands. So traded then, Like I mentioned,

873
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,880
Kelly Olynink to the Spurs for Blake Wesley waved Malachi Branham.

874
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,079
Do you find it so Malachi Branham and Blake Wesley.

875
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:13,679
I was at a Kings game against the Spurs with

876
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,719
my brother and I was like, I can't tell the

877
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,880
difference between those two guys because they're kind of the

878
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,039
same size, they kind of look alike, they kind of

879
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,400
do the same stuff, and it's just hilarious to me

880
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,400
that they got traded in the same deal. Anyway, h

881
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,000
the twenty twenty six second is gonna be the least

882
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,599
favorable from Dallas, Philly or Oka see in that deal

883
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,000
Marvin Bagley back on one your minimum, Anthony Gill back

884
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:36,559
on one your minimum. Tristan Vukcevic got a two way

885
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,119
and they bought out Marcus Smart he back around five

886
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,920
point four million dollars. We leave the Wizards, Dan go ahead.

887
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: I just want to make clear because I said we

888
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,920
weren't going to go into the two ways. I think

889
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,519
it's ridiculous that Tristan Vuksovich is still on a two way.

890
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,960
So that's why he was included there, because I just

891
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,280
feel like, do we really I know, he's an important

892
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,679
locker room presence, he's their Garrett Temple and Anthony Gill,

893
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,440
but I think i'd rather have like be able to

894
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,480
just play vuk bitch as much as I want, especially

895
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,320
like your big rotation is sold like you're gonna be

896
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,400
married to Bagley after that. So I just I included.

897
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,360
And there's a passive aggressive shot as to why I'm

898
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,519
about to give the Wizards an F for their off season.

899
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: What a misdirect by you. I know what grade you

900
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,559
gave them. I mean the big business here is the

901
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:22,239
pool trade, which I mean we should really just talk about.

902
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,000
Like they're saving thirty four million dollars, next year because CJ.

903
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:29,159
McCollums deal expires. Jordan Poole's got that much on the books.

904
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,159
So again cap space is overrated. I don't know if

905
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:34,920
it's overrated. If you could have like one hundred million

906
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,199
dollars worth of it, which the Wizards might like, we

907
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,519
might have to at some point, cap space is worth something.

908
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:43,199
And when it's nine figures of it, maybe we can

909
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,519
see that that's a valuable thing to have. I don't know.

910
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,079
We'll see. We'll see what they do with it. We'll

911
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:50,239
see if the number gets quite that high, they will

912
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,199
be major cap space players next summer. We like Trey

913
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,480
Johnson at number six. We think he fits. I say

914
00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:59,800
wee because I just know we're kind of the same

915
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,840
eyd here. He's like the kind of scoring threat, shooting threat,

916
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,639
self sufficient offense threat that they don't really have in

917
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:10,199
any of their other young core pieces. So those are

918
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,880
the big pieces of business, and we very much liked them.

919
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,719
Haven't even talked about Cam whitmore you want to opine

920
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,199
on him or anything else I missed.

921
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: That's the exact type of swing a team like the

922
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,679
Wizard should be making. And I think the biggest criticism

923
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,760
of them why. I mean, we have to ask what

924
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,719
were they trying to do, and it's continue their rebuild.

925
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,880
And I think what people could critique is they still

926
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,280
don't know that they have the guy. Their best options

927
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,159
at nabbing him or or having him already a Sar blah,

928
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,239
Kulabali if you want to throw Trey Johnson into that mix,

929
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:44,280
I don't know. If I had to pick one of

930
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,320
them most likely to become the guy, I probably lean

931
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:49,320
Saar at this point. I would have answered Kulibali a

932
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,280
year ago, but like, what did you want them to?

933
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,559
This is not a team Next summer when they have

934
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,400
a trillion dollars in cap space, we could have the

935
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,159
conversation about how aggressive do they need to be in

936
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,119
acquiring a best player, whether it's through the draft, like

937
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:05,239
how much pressures are under them there or via trade

938
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,880
or free agency. Like they cleared they made themselves more flexible,

939
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,760
They picked up some assets, and the Cam Whitmore deal

940
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,559
just typifies everything they should be doing. Is you gave

941
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,960
up two second round picks of like they're semi interesting,

942
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Like I mean a Chicago pick was involved, so yeah,

943
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:22,719
like a twenty twenty six like it might be in

944
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,320
the thirties, but Cam.

945
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:25,639
Speaker 2: Whitmore is six'.

946
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,119
Speaker 1: Seven he is not a, disaster a train wreck on

947
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,800
defense when he doesn't want to. Be so the fact

948
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,320
that you're putting the ball in his hands more giving

949
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,119
him more playing, time maybe he's more consistent on.

950
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:36,639
Speaker 2: Defense but he can really.

951
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,039
Speaker 1: SCORE i think the shooting, percentage like from, three that

952
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,400
is something that is going to. Climb whether it's incrementally or,

953
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,400
MATERIALLY i think it's going to. Climb he can give

954
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,480
you some rim, pressure get out and, transition just having

955
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,280
that type of a score in a six foot seven

956
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,119
inch body on a team, that by the, way just

957
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,719
has a bunch of those different types of bodies on

958
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,760
The Like i'm trying to FIGURE i have like a

959
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,920
Free Justin champagnee campaign going BECAUSE i don't, know he's

960
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,360
really good AND i don't know how he's supposed to.

961
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Play when you Have, Keishaw george and Blah, kolbali you

962
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,920
have like all these sort of wing type players. HERE i,

963
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,840
think did they do anything that was earth, Shattering.

964
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: No but that's also kind of the, point, Right and, so.

965
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: LIKE i really liked their. OFFSEASON i think that it

966
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,800
was opportunistic and my favorite part of. IT i really

967
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,079
do Like Trey. JOHNSON i think that was the right selection.

968
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:29,199
There but The Cam whitmore flyers just how do you

969
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,320
not take that as The?

970
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,119
Speaker 3: Wizards, YEAH i mean it's a lot Like charlotte really

971
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:37,280
right where except EXCEPT i think we're both gonna our

972
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,840
grades are gonna reflect. This The, Wizards, LIKE i don't

973
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,800
know if you call him bigger swings really because like

974
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,679
the Wit more deals not a. Swing it's not a big.

975
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,360
Swing it's like kind of a second draft guy THAT

976
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,119
i would say he along with Saw, kulabali Throw carrington in,

977
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:58,400
there maybe Even, Johnson like is it likely that those

978
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,719
guys become An All star at some? Point probably, not

979
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,280
but it's, possible and you just start you're accumulating as

980
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,159
many it's possible guys as you can at this. Stage

981
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,559
And whitmore definitely is that HE'S i think he's at

982
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:11,880
like twenty two points per thirty. SIX i was looking

983
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,039
him up the other, day like we could work with,

984
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:15,960
that especially on a bad team where it's like, you

985
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,039
he's gonna get to explore the space a little, BIT i, hope,

986
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:20,800
right because, like why is he on the team if

987
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,760
you're not gonna kind of see what he can do

988
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:28,320
over some extended. Minutes so, again just sort of opportunistic

989
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,159
asset accumulation. STUFF i do think getting off of the

990
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,480
last year Of pool's deal for, McCollum who's probably a

991
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:38,079
better player Than pool, anyway just if you care about that,

992
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:41,000
stuff this, year probably a better veteran influence all that

993
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,840
stuff like that's a pretty big win for a deal

994
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,519
that's kind of, like well we don't want this guy's. Contract,

995
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:48,400
well we don't want this guy's, contract wh shall we

996
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,400
swap them like? That that's a pretty good win coming

997
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,039
out of that type of. DEAL i. Think so if

998
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:55,480
you want to, jump if you have anything else to,

999
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:58,119
add feel. Free, otherwise let's let's reveal.

1000
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,639
Speaker 1: HERE i went with in a minus for the way

1001
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:03,920
as he went with A b. Plus justify it right?

1002
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,599
Speaker 2: Now why was it an?

1003
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:09,039
Speaker 3: As they didn't get into the honest. SWEEPSTAKES i was

1004
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:12,280
just really disappointed that they. KNOW i think it was

1005
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,400
vich two way, Right, YEAH i was on your. BEHALF

1006
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,920
i decided to ding them for for that.

1007
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:23,559
Speaker 1: SLIGHT i think they're a team to monitor to where

1008
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,519
when we're having this conversation next, Year i'm fascinated to

1009
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:28,639
see the tenor of it BECAUSE i think there's going

1010
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:30,800
to be a lot of pressure on them to improve

1011
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,280
next season just based Off, okay it's cool that Ted

1012
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,679
leonsis has let them go about their rebuilding thing for

1013
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,000
a few. Years i'm not convinced that he's going to

1014
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,719
allow that to last much. Longer but, also you don't

1015
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,719
and maybe they'll prove us wrong with the trade deadline

1016
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,599
by taking on a bunch of long term. Money but

1017
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,480
you don't carve out eight billion dollars in cap space

1018
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,599
without an intention of doing something semi.

1019
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 3: Seismic, YEAH i, think LIKE i can imagine us a

1020
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,320
year from. Now the cap space does differentiate. Them but

1021
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:58,440
if none of these young guys, pop we kind of

1022
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,519
might talk about him like we talk about the where

1023
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,239
it's like it's been a long. Time you guys don't

1024
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,880
have the guy right like. That that's a, Risk BUT

1025
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:09,199
i would Say washington distinguishes itself because they're clearly trying

1026
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,119
to get the, Guy Like whitmore is a case of

1027
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,599
you're trying to find the guy and you're looking everywhere for.

1028
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,679
Him so kudos to them for.

1029
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,119
Speaker 2: That we are onto a new division hasn't that?

1030
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Exciting grant The Boston celtics who entered cost chain sawing.

1031
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: Mode quite, frankly they are for just well after to the.

1032
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,559
Speaker 1: Top they are within like twelve point two million dollars

1033
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,280
of ducking the, tax so everybody get just just super

1034
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,400
excited about. That but their moves Drafted Hugo gonzalez at

1035
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:39,119
number twenty, eight Sign Joe mizula to a multi year.

1036
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,440
Extension they Traded Drew holliday For Anthonty, simons created a

1037
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,639
four point seven million dollar traded player exception as a.

1038
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,920
Result they traded Christophs porzingis To atlanta in a three

1039
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,719
team deal With brooklyn For George Niang cleveland's twenty thirty

1040
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,400
one second and one point one million dollars in. Cash

1041
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,320
they created a twenty two point seven million dollar traded

1042
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,199
player exception in that as. Well they then Traded George

1043
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,480
nyang a twenty seven second the most favorable Of Boston

1044
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:05,920
orlando and a two thousand and thirty one second round.

1045
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: Swap To utah FOR. R. J Lewis.

1046
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,559
Speaker 1: Junior in, turn they created an eight point two million

1047
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:11,800
dollar traded player.

1048
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,159
Speaker 2: Exception.

1049
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: Uh they were the team that traded no, apenda so

1050
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,880
number thirty two To orlando for number forty, six number fifty,

1051
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,880
seven a twenty twenty six second and a twenty twenty

1052
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,320
seven second round. Swap this is the big, One, grant

1053
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,360
are you sitting that you are sitting? Down they Signed Chris,

1054
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,400
busche they did one year minimum, deal and they they

1055
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,599
gave a two year minimum Deal Toluca Luca garza that

1056
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:34,360
was fully. Guaranteed and then they gave a two year

1057
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,679
minimum deal To josh Might not that has a team

1058
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,840
option on the latter. Season, now this is a very

1059
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,480
big and important. QUESTION i think there are a lot

1060
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,960
of answers that could be given to. It, grant what

1061
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,880
were The Boston celtics trying to do just?

1062
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: Offseason just try to get back to the? Finals you

1063
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:54,079
know after last year is? YEARS i, mean like, this

1064
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,280
this is why IT'S i think we could we would

1065
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,960
agree that everything they did made sense in the content

1066
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,480
text of we got. It we can't spend half a

1067
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,159
billion dollars on a team that won't Have Jason tatum

1068
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,559
and is not not going to sniff a Finals like that's,

1069
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,559
crazy especially getting into the repeater and and just like

1070
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,920
we can't it doesn't make any sense ownership. CHANGE i

1071
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,400
suspect new ownership was, Like i'm not paying this for this.

1072
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,679
Team it's not gonna be any. Good so it sucks,

1073
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,440
that like we have to sort of celebrates too, strong

1074
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,239
but we have to acknowledge that The celtics did well

1075
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,559
in their goal of cutting money without and look Like

1076
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,360
tatum's obviously still, There Jalen brown is still. There there

1077
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,719
were nuclear options Where Jalen brown is gone And Derek

1078
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,000
white is. Gone they THEY i think they they trimmed

1079
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,039
as much as they could trim without like hitting the,

1080
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:44,960
bone you, know because there were ways to go here

1081
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,360
that would have been like full just nuke. It i'm

1082
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,239
gonna mix like surgery and nuclear metaphors because you, know

1083
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,599
it's been a while since we, podcasted AND i can't make,

1084
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:58,880
sense BUT i you, know, YEAH i Guess i'd just

1085
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,679
say it's hard to be excited about, it but you

1086
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,559
have to give it to, him like this was They

1087
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:04,199
they were pretty smart about. It they picked up a

1088
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,199
bunch of. Seconds they did fine on their. Minimums actually

1089
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,880
they did better than that because they Got Chris, bouchet

1090
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,639
friend of the, Pod Chris, BOUCHET i don't be on the. Pod,

1091
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,039
yeah can your unicorn?

1092
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: Pod, look they got, One they got rid of one

1093
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,880
unicorn in Christophs porzingis and got a better one In Chris.

1094
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,199
BOUCHET i don't know like. That how is that not

1095
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,159
an a plus? Offseason and they're paying.

1096
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 3: Them a fraction of of KP's.

1097
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: Money we do.

1098
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: Tend to over romanticize teardowns or cost cutting. Maneuvers that's

1099
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,480
not what we're doing, Here, like we're acknowledging the. Reality

1100
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,119
and they were able to cut a whole bunch of,

1101
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:41,800
money like like nine figures worth when you're factoring in

1102
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,119
what they would have paid a taxes without giving up

1103
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:48,079
a singular long term Masset christops was an expiring. CONTRACT

1104
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,360
i think a lot of people were shocked they didn't

1105
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,760
have to include a pick to give Up Drew. Holliday

1106
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,079
so given the reality of their, situation, now could you

1107
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,199
also make the case that if they were going this,

1108
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,239
route Should Derek white have been someone they more aggressively

1109
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,239
shopped or are you gonna follow through and get all

1110
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,239
the way out of the tax to try and save

1111
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,559
like that year on a repeater? Clock but then what

1112
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:11,519
does that mean for next? Season is the mandate gonna be,

1113
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:12,800
well then you have to stay out of the tax,

1114
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,880
too because if you have to be out of the

1115
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000
tax each of the next two, seasons if that's ownership's,

1116
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:21,400
mandate then you probably should have Traded Derek white this

1117
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,400
offseason because it kind of feels like you're headed towards

1118
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,559
training him next offseason when he will have less. Value

1119
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:28,679
there's still time for them to go about these. Things

1120
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,360
but given what their aim, was which is to position

1121
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,280
themselves to get completely out of the luxury, tax and

1122
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,960
we're looking at it just from this season's, perspective they

1123
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,280
are within striking disc like it is doable for them

1124
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,280
to shave the next twelve plus million. Dollars i'm assuming

1125
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,199
it's gonna happen via An Anthony simon's.

1126
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: Trade if it, Doesn't i'll actually be like pretty. Shocked, right.

1127
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: Does the argument that this wasn't far, enough because by

1128
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,280
the Time Jays tatum is back to Being Jason, tatum

1129
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,039
we're not talking about we might be talking about like

1130
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,760
twenty twenty. Eight you, know just given the he's gone

1131
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,440
for a, year it's gonna take a year for him

1132
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,800
to be all the way back to what he, was

1133
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,760
and by then maybe is at an age where that

1134
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,199
he just can't be that did it? Ever were you

1135
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,639
ever tempted to kind of endorse the idea of like you,

1136
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,840
got it's got to be everybody Except tatum and you

1137
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,719
just you start absolutely fresh in you, know twenty what

1138
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,400
yere we even talking like twenty, eight twenty nine or

1139
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,239
twenty seven to twenty.

1140
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,199
Speaker 1: EIGHT i really think to, me you're just kind of

1141
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,960
having a should they have Traded joe And brown?

1142
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: DISCUSSION i guess that's?

1143
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,639
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah and the end.

1144
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:40,599
Speaker 1: Because they already Traded holiday important and so to me

1145
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,320
the answers because like WHAT i think the argument would

1146
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,480
be if you wanted them to go further within reason

1147
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,000
without blowing it, up but the move would have been

1148
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,480
to have Traded Derek white now when his value is so.

1149
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:53,360
High SO i BUT i can't like what is the argument?

1150
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:58,000
Aside because If, tatum we saw How Kevin durant came

1151
00:52:58,039 --> 00:52:59,719
back from An achilles. Injury so even if you Give

1152
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,960
tatum a year grace, PERIOD i JUST i don't know

1153
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,480
like him and him And Jalen brown will still be

1154
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:07,800
firmly in their primes, Then AND i think While Jalen

1155
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,199
BROWN'S i mean he did win FINALS, mvp but you're

1156
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:11,760
not looking at. Hims somebody could be the best player

1157
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,159
on a title, Contender like is the inner play between

1158
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,320
a ONE b and like a ONE a situation Of

1159
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,760
Jason tatum is some is less of a player than

1160
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:20,639
he was upon.

1161
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: RETURN i would not have Traded Jalen.

1162
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,119
Speaker 1: Brown and ALSO i Think Jalen brown's value is gonna

1163
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:27,679
be firmly, intact if not, higher because there'll be less

1164
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:29,960
time on his deal next off. Season if you want

1165
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,000
to revisit that, SCENARIO i View Derek white as the

1166
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:37,039
more urgent topic just because he's older and it feels

1167
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,519
like the stock of non stars is going to be more.

1168
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: Turbulent, okay, YEAH i don't know WHERE i lan there's

1169
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,719
some to answer my own. Question there's some part of

1170
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,800
me and maybe it's just like the pessimist in me

1171
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,480
that wants to say This celtics, core WHICH i would

1172
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,639
Include brown, in like it's done as a as a,

1173
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:58,960
Contender like even If tatum is back and Is tatum

1174
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,599
just because Like brown will be so expensive by them

1175
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,800
that your flexibility is, limited it would have made sense

1176
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,400
to like just try to find the Next Jalen. Brown

1177
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,440
who's not on his whatever it, is THIRD nba. Contract

1178
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,719
that's just like exorbitantly expensive to be your number two

1179
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,239
guy After. Tatum but it's just that's so much easier

1180
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,039
said than. Done and it's not like it's not like

1181
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,000
you can't Trade brown for value like ever, Again so

1182
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,519
Sot devil's assume at, least, yeah well you never, know but, yeah.

1183
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: Does it does your this gets into regrade, Territory but

1184
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,480
what would impact your like what would they do that

1185
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,760
could impact your trade your grade the most or maybe even,

1186
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,000
well let's get to our grades. FIRST i think would

1187
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,119
we both give them A b? MINUS i am A

1188
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:42,840
be minus your game A c. PLUS i think it's

1189
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,480
just it was an above average offseason relative to what

1190
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,360
they were trying to. Do but it also feels a

1191
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,960
little incomplete to me Because i'm wondering if like they're

1192
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,519
definitely getting out of the, tax, right because if they, don't,

1193
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:55,440
like let's say they don't get out of the, tax

1194
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:58,880
wouldn't you grade this more harshly on a regrade because

1195
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,519
it's with then what was the point of just tearing

1196
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,440
everything down aside from saving the luxury savings at that?

1197
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: Point?

1198
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:08,679
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, NO i would AND i think, like, NO i,

1199
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,360
yeah there's, no there's no two ways about. IT i

1200
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,639
WONDER i wonder if like it feels incomplete because not

1201
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,000
because The celtics like didn't have a will to keep

1202
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,039
doing stuff that just ran out of. Ways like it's just, like,

1203
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,320
yeah it's nice to want to trade you, know more

1204
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,159
money for, less but it's like at some point it's.

1205
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:28,920
Not there's not like an infinite amount of resources or

1206
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,119
trade partners out, there so like to your, point it

1207
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,079
may just be something they finish. Later.

1208
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: Uh and my final question on, it if you're The,

1209
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,280
celtics what would you prefer so you could Trade Anthony

1210
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,880
simons and get out of the tax this year and

1211
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,840
get a player back who has money left on his

1212
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,000
deal beyond this season and can actively help, you or

1213
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:50,159
you're trading Anforty simons for a cheaper player on an

1214
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:53,119
expiring contract who that makes it easier for you to

1215
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:55,119
balance your books after this.

1216
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,639
Speaker 3: YEAR i think it's the, Latter, Okay it's just LIKE

1217
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,000
i just one because you got to finish the, job

1218
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,519
which is saving. Money just it isn't just saving. Money

1219
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,239
IT'S i think for a team Like boston THAT i

1220
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,599
think will be ambitious. Again it's like you're saving, money but,

1221
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,760
you're like you, said you're you're trying to get as

1222
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,960
much flexibility and spending power and optionality as you can

1223
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:20,400
for when you want to exercise. It like that that

1224
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,760
with an interesting being good, again.

1225
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: We are on to The Brooklyn Nets grant and they are.

1226
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: Young they drafted point guards were. Done oh and they

1227
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,079
gave No so this is gonna be fascinating to talk.

1228
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:36,199
About they had five first. Rounders they Drafted Igor gemmen

1229
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,639
at number, Eight Nolan triori at, Nineteen Ben sarah at twenty,

1230
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:43,079
Six Danny wolf at twenty. Seven what was the fifth?

1231
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:44,519
ONE i can't. Remember we'll get down.

1232
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,519
Speaker 2: To that moved him the OTHER i.

1233
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: Guess the biggest, transaction if you want to call it,

1234
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,000
that Traded Cam johnson To Denver Michael Porter junior in

1235
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:56,800
a twenty thirty two first round. PACKER i don't know

1236
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,800
WHY i said if you want.

1237
00:56:57,639 --> 00:56:59,519
Speaker 2: To call it, that if you want, to, Yeah like

1238
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,360
what trades are?

1239
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: Transactions? Right is that those are? Synonyms they traded one

1240
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,880
point one million in cash To boston in that three

1241
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,400
team trade With atlanta For Terrence mann and number twenty.

1242
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,880
Two they traded a twenty twenty six second with the

1243
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,480
fake second with the top fifty five protection to the

1244
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:18,760
heat For hayward High smith and a twenty thirty two

1245
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,320
second Got Kobe buffkin for one hundred and ten grand

1246
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,679
Basically Cam. Thomas this was a staring. Contest over signed

1247
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:28,880
his six million dollar qualifying. Offer he will have veto

1248
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,760
rights on a. Trade his bird rights will not go

1249
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,960
with him if he is. Traded he will be an

1250
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:37,400
unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty. Six Darren sharp back

1251
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,000
on a two, year twelve and a half million dollars,

1252
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:41,800
deal team option on the second, Year Zire williams two,

1253
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,960
years twelve and a half million team option on the second.

1254
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:50,239
Year brooklyn's goal this offseason was too. Well this is

1255
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,519
an interesting point of, Discussion so two ways to evaluate

1256
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:57,119
specifically the way they went about the, Draft, dan do

1257
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:03,199
you think the focus on all handlers is, like not a,

1258
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:06,880
copycat but an acknowledgment, that, hey The pacers had a

1259
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,559
bunch of guys that could pass and had good court.

1260
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,719
Sense that works, Well so we'll just draft guys that

1261
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,119
have that and maybe play them at different positions and

1262
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:18,239
teach them to shoot or, whatever And we're just, like

1263
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,320
that's that's the new market. Inefficiency guys with court sense

1264
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,280
who can pass and handle the. Ball we just want

1265
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,079
them at shooting guard and small forward and. Whatever we

1266
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:29,480
want point guard instincts. Everywhere is it that or is

1267
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:31,760
it we're not really sure any of these guys is

1268
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,440
gonna be good enough to start a point guard for.

1269
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:36,599
Us so let's get seventeen of them and one of

1270
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:38,760
them will pan? Out which which do you think it?

1271
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,119
Speaker 2: WAS i think it was the.

1272
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:43,239
Speaker 1: LATTER i just don't know how you because you can't

1273
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,880
like they're you can't look at rookies and that's it'd

1274
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,679
be different if you already had like two of those

1275
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:50,480
guys on the roster and they've proven to be. This

1276
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,320
BUT i don't think you can take these unfinished products

1277
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,639
who have to even played AN nba game yet and say, like,

1278
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,679
yeah we're like now this is what we're building, Year because,

1279
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:03,679
NO i think this was a volume. Game it's a shotgun.

1280
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: Approach it's LIKE i need to be. Accurate the spread's

1281
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,519
gonna be wide, enough you're gonna hit something Like that's

1282
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:09,760
kind of the thinking for.

1283
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,719
Speaker 2: Me do you support approaching it that?

1284
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,679
Speaker 1: Way Because i've gone back and forth in the sense

1285
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,559
of you should have consolidated, somewhere but then in the draft,

1286
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:20,599
specifically what did you want them to?

1287
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: DO i, like they didn't.

1288
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Have would you've given up the number eight pick in

1289
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:25,920
That New Orleans pelican?

1290
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,519
Speaker 2: Trade like probably, not because.

1291
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: You needed like an infusion of a high prospect right.

1292
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,280
Now it was a little too, Low like it was

1293
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,960
too high in the lottery for you to go that,

1294
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:36,679
route and then all the other picks were a little

1295
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,760
too low for you to get like that offer from.

1296
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,920
Them SO i don't know what the road not traveled looks,

1297
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,559
like BUT i will say that their draft approach was

1298
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,239
probably my least favorite part of their.

1299
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:51,199
Speaker 3: Offseason it feels out of step enough with what you

1300
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,280
would normally see a team with this like suite of

1301
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,280
draft picks do. That it's, LIKE i don't, Know, fellas

1302
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,679
it feels, like couldn't they Have like my fears went, Seventh,

1303
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,000
like wasn't there a way to package some of this

1304
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,519
together and get, him like or just if you if

1305
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,559
you're if your whole thing is we gotta get a point?

1306
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,280
Guard feels like that would have been.

1307
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,679
Speaker 1: POSSIBLE i don't disagree with, you BUT i actually Like

1308
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,719
Yegor demon better than you're.

1309
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,719
Speaker 3: Saying fears is the.

1310
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,559
Speaker 1: Guy i'm just, saying, like go Get Ace bailey. Somehow so, YEAH.

1311
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,679
Speaker 3: I don't, know like it just with this many, picks

1312
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:26,360
you just like a trade. Up i'm sure one of

1313
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,440
us are. Both like if you're making draft, predictions is

1314
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,280
like The nets will consolidate and move.

1315
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: Up like what they should have done is tried to

1316
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,760
get In derek queen territory like post, eight like trade

1317
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,159
it up for number ten and Drafted Derek queen and

1318
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:41,039
then held The pelicans.

1319
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:41,679
Speaker 2: Hostage that's what?

1320
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: That how good would we feel about The nets the

1321
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:46,920
whole deal if they had that twenty twenty six unprotected

1322
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,039
first coming next year.

1323
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: And then like two fewer prospects on the, roster.

1324
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: Right, yeah the the logjam wasn't.

1325
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: THERE i appreciate the stabs in the dark.

1326
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:57,639
Speaker 1: Here and this is not saying like no One treyorris

1327
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:00,280
really freaking fast And Ben sarah looked like he moved

1328
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,119
well off the, ball And Jager demon played more off

1329
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,039
the ball In Summer league THAN i was. EXPECTING i

1330
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:05,960
don't know what out of the theory Behind Danny. WOLF

1331
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,199
i just don't Understand i'm not gonna. LIE i know

1332
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,159
next to nothing About Drake. Powell we didn't see him

1333
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:14,239
In Summer. League but you Get Kobe. Buffkin Cam thomas

1334
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,199
is coming. Back we'll have to talk about how that panned.

1335
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:19,199
Out there's just a lot of guys on. It And

1336
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,800
i'm Assuming Michael Porter junior will have the ball in

1337
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,320
his hands. More are they gonna send him home to

1338
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,239
be like a full time podcaster at some point to

1339
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,559
just really juice their lottery?

1340
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: ODDS i don't LIKE i worry about.

1341
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: That Jordy fernandez has proven to be a good, Coach

1342
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,679
but it's how do you explore the full depths of

1343
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,119
all these options here when there are now so many of?

1344
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:41,880
Them and it's it's uneasy in a good way, because

1345
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,039
like the asset place, here like The atlanta, thing if

1346
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,079
you can Get Kobe buffkin for one hundred and ten thousand,

1347
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,679
dollars a point guard who in theory might defend put

1348
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:51,679
pressure on the, ribbon shoot, yeah hell, yeah go after?

1349
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: That what did you make? It the Cam thomas, Situation

1350
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:56,239
how they went about, THAT i.

1351
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,519
Speaker 3: Think they played it. RIGHT i THINK i would have

1352
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:03,039
been much more negative about their offseason if they had

1353
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:07,519
guaranteed him like starter, Money LIKE i, mean let's not forget.

1354
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:09,960
THAT i. FORGET i think it Was Lucas kaplan And

1355
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,039
Net's daily like months, ago had a quote From thomas

1356
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:16,480
or via a source close To thomas that he's, Like

1357
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,119
i'm looking for thirty to forty million a, Year like

1358
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:21,920
that's that's you, know that was never gonna happen me,

1359
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:27,119
Too but, yeah we. All BUT i think it would

1360
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:29,159
have just been a huge mistake to pay him as

1361
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:32,599
if he's gonna be a long term starter on any

1362
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:34,559
version of this. TEAM i just don't think he's the

1363
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,239
type of player that is worth that kind of money

1364
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,519
with what we know about just the value of things

1365
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:45,920
besides points in THE. Nba SO i, mean you are

1366
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,079
basically gonna just lose him for. Nothing BUT i think

1367
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,280
it would have been worse to commit resources to him

1368
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,239
and treat him like he was gonna be a key

1369
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:56,480
piece going, forward because what this does do is kind

1370
01:02:56,519 --> 01:02:59,400
of like empower them to make his role whatever they

1371
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,639
want it to be and and keep him sort of

1372
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:03,760
out of the way of some of the younger players

1373
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,400
that they want to. Develop because if you Play Cam,

1374
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,760
thomas like the offense is running through, him and so

1375
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,400
then what the hell was the point of all these

1376
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,599
other ball Handlers you're trying to sort of like see

1377
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,039
if they can be. Something SO i think they handled it.

1378
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:16,159
Right what do you what do you? THINK i don't

1379
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:16,880
know if we've talked about.

1380
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,159
Speaker 1: THIS i think that they could have afforded to have

1381
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:23,119
gone like a one year balloon, payment especially when you

1382
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,280
look at what they're gonna, have like they'll either they'll

1383
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,199
off cap, space but what are they at relative to

1384
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:28,599
the salary floor right?

1385
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: NOW i think they might be over, it AND.

1386
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,239
Speaker 3: I think they hit. It they hit, It but so

1387
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,000
what would be would be the point of the balloon?

1388
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:34,800
Payment like what do you?

1389
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,599
Speaker 1: Want it makes it easier to trade because he's not

1390
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:38,519
gonna have vital rights on, It like can you get

1391
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:40,480
in exchange for giving him more? Money could you've gotten

1392
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,480
him to waive his implicit no trade clause if it

1393
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:46,159
was a one year guaranteed, SITUATION.

1394
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:48,079
Speaker 3: I wonder what what are you getting for? HIM i.

1395
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: Think it was more so the like as a salary

1396
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,840
anchor and an expiring contract out going in a deal

1397
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:57,519
that will allow you to bring back as.

1398
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,119
Speaker 2: A team trying to get rid of sal Look, okay

1399
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:00,159
we saw The wizards.

1400
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:03,559
Speaker 1: This, yeah last year with The, bucks so IT i just,

1401
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,159
LIKE i think they could have gone that, route And

1402
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:07,960
i'm a little surprised they. Didn't but maybe we don't

1403
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,199
know what Cam thomas's appetite. Was like if they would

1404
01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:12,159
have come back with two years and forty let's, say

1405
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:15,480
only one guaranteed, year you have to waive your, like

1406
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:18,360
no your veto, rights would he have done? It we don't,

1407
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,320
know but it doesn't even seem like they went that,

1408
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,079
route WHICH i think is, fine but it paves the way,

1409
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:25,400
for like you kind of alluded to, this for things

1410
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,599
to get, messy because if he's, playing the offense is

1411
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,920
going to run through, him and so what's the trickle

1412
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,039
down effect on all of your other youngsters if you're

1413
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:36,679
not playing, Him, well then why not just have renounced his?

1414
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,280
Rights like what was the point? Then because he now

1415
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,280
has effectively a no trade, clause his value to other

1416
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,239
teams is less than it was because they don't get

1417
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:47,800
his bird. Rights so unless you have are gonna use

1418
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,639
an exception or have cap, space his offer for you

1419
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:53,280
tops out at seven point two million next. Season NOW

1420
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,000
i think he's maybe he falls in non tax PAYER

1421
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:58,039
miid level exception. Range so that would open up the

1422
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:00,519
scope of teams that could trade for. Him but you

1423
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,800
kind of you made things maybe a little bit more

1424
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,880
awkward than they needed to.

1425
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,679
Speaker 2: Be this is all to.

1426
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: SAY i don't think it was detrimental one way or the,

1427
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:10,840
other BUT i. WAS i think there could have been

1428
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,239
value in them saying, like, hey here's twenty million dollars next.

1429
01:05:14,239 --> 01:05:16,719
Season that's all we're going to guarantee. You and that

1430
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,719
might have been either a team actually wants him or

1431
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,400
view me Someone hey he could, play but we can

1432
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:22,920
also get rid of him after this.

1433
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: Season.

1434
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: YEAH i think endorsing their handling of The thomas situation

1435
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,960
IS i think it requires you to believe that there

1436
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:35,000
just isn't a market for. Him AND i think, TOO

1437
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,039
i think you're right. There there would have. It you

1438
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:40,400
maybe had some more avenues available to you if you

1439
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,480
if you pay him more and you get him to

1440
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:44,480
waive the note. Trade BECAUSE i don't know who knows what,

1441
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:50,039
happens but to, ME i think there's also value in

1442
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:52,480
WHAT i think this feels like to me is THE

1443
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:56,039
nets saying we are a smart enough organization to know

1444
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:58,159
that this is not a player that we, need that

1445
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:01,679
we want to prioritize or view as important to like

1446
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,840
the type of team we want to, Be and, like

1447
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,320
maybe that costs you some optionality in a trade because

1448
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,400
you didn't balloon payment or you didn't do some other,

1449
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,760
Structure but, LIKE i guess What i'm saying is it

1450
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,519
makes me believe The nets know what they're, doing because

1451
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,519
they just decided that this guy that a lot of people, think, like,

1452
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:22,119
well look at all the points he's are you? Crazy

1453
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:27,760
like he's The i'm sure you could statthead Cam thomas

1454
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,159
somehow and cherry pick something that shows him to be

1455
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,599
one of the five greatest young scorers of all. Time

1456
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,400
and The nets are, like we actually are smart enough

1457
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,559
to know that that's he's just not someone we can

1458
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:38,480
view as a key.

1459
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:41,199
Speaker 1: PIECE i think the only way you can hammer them for,

1460
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,639
it even THOUGH i have, questions is that you believe

1461
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:45,320
there would have been a, chance had they offered a

1462
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,000
two year deal that he would have signed with a,

1463
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,519
team even with a team. Option That, oh then the,

1464
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,119
upside he has a breakout, year we pick up his team,

1465
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:54,679
option we either a player under team control for another,

1466
01:06:54,760 --> 01:07:00,000
year or he becomes a trade. Asset but signals everywhere

1467
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,719
around the league are screaming that the exact type of

1468
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:05,079
player That Cam thomas is is the exact type of

1469
01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:05,800
player that teams are.

1470
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: Devout they're looking through the.

1471
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: Points sometimes even the Like Jalen green feels like a

1472
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,880
remnant of the pass when you look at his extension

1473
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,760
that was signed last, summer because it's is.

1474
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,239
Speaker 2: Anyone ever that in part of it it was trade?

1475
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: Motivated but, like is anyone look at what has happened

1476
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,599
With Quentin grinds his restriction free agency.

1477
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: With Ben, Matheren what Like Ben matheren's very much in

1478
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,760
this this player type and that he could do a little,

1479
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,079
more you know WHAT i? Mean, LIKE i, THINK i

1480
01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:34,760
think you're. RIGHT i think this feels like a signal

1481
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,880
uh and it just like you better be more than

1482
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,760
an empty. SCORER i think if you want to get

1483
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,039
that big second contract.

1484
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,039
Speaker 1: And you somehow and this maybe isn't, fair but you

1485
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:47,519
have to be better than the second best passer on

1486
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:49,199
your team among the guys who don't really.

1487
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: Pass whatever is justification? Was that was one of my

1488
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,559
favorite just. Rebuts if you look at everyone who passes

1489
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:57,480
and remove.

1490
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:03,119
Speaker 1: THEM i was the second best, passer he's a Good

1491
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,519
this is all to, say did we miss. Anything we

1492
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:08,320
didn't talk about what grades they're going up on the.

1493
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: Screen we both gave them.

1494
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: BEES i think they're two best transactions to. Me we're

1495
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,520
Getting denver's twenty thirty two unprotected first round, pick AND

1496
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,600
i know we over romanticize those mystery box. Selections it's

1497
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,880
not just, About, oh where the nugget's gonna. Be, then

1498
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,399
it's certainly about, that but The nuts probably aren't gonna

1499
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,680
be the team that's making this pick my. Family that's

1500
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,399
a really big trade asset for them down the. Line

1501
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,920
Michael Porter junior as a basketball, player like someone who

1502
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,960
comes in can shoot and now you get to explore

1503
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,119
like his on ball. Stuff if he stays healthy and

1504
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:43,479
maybe proves that he can create a little, more that's

1505
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,000
someone other teams are probably interested in trading. For like

1506
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:48,760
this could be another quintessential example of we got something

1507
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,039
for him on the way, in and we're gonna get

1508
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:52,239
something for him on the way. Out The Haywood highsmith.

1509
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,479
Deal we already talked about. It with the, heat maybe

1510
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,239
we find out the injuries worse and they can't flip

1511
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:56,680
him for another.

1512
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:57,399
Speaker 3: Second round pick.

1513
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,199
Speaker 2: Value my guess is is.

1514
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:02,039
Speaker 1: That they're gonna end up getting at least another second

1515
01:09:02,119 --> 01:09:04,760
round pick in exchange for Heywar. Heismith so those are

1516
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,960
MY i think those were the two sort of like

1517
01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:10,479
smartest forward thinking. Transactions you get these distant draft picks

1518
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,119
that will have, value maybe not to you as a

1519
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:15,399
team that's using, them but in future trades that you're

1520
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,319
going to. Make we're on to Your New York, knicks

1521
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:21,560
but they're actually. Mine SO i will go through the

1522
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,279
list of transactions here on nothing like what their transactions

1523
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:25,880
were last, Season.

1524
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,159
Speaker 2: Grant do you remember that that?

1525
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,399
Speaker 3: Was they had two pages that Was, yeah that was

1526
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,000
that was two. Slides they Fired Tom.

1527
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:34,520
Speaker 1: Thibodeau they then Hired Mike, brown who was one of

1528
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,439
the coaches who we have details on his deal four,

1529
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,800
years forty million dollars as the. Estimation they Signed Michal

1530
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,760
bridges to a four, year apparently very, controversial one hundred

1531
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,119
and fifty million dollar. Extension he notably will be trade

1532
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,319
eligible at the start Of, february just in time for

1533
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:52,079
The february fifth trade. Deadline they Signed Gershan yabuceli away

1534
01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:54,119
from The philadelphia seventy six ers for two years and

1535
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:56,680
eleven point three million most of The mini mL. E

1536
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:59,640
he has a player option for twenty six twenty. Seven

1537
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,239
they Signed Jordan clarkson to a one year minimum. Deal

1538
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:04,359
which did you see that it Was Jordan clarkson who

1539
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:07,239
requested that The knicks sign. Him is as agent Asked

1540
01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:08,840
hi where he wanted to, go and he said The,

1541
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,399
knicks and so they, called and so that at least

1542
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:13,600
shows players want to go to The. Knicks they traded

1543
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,319
number fifty to The clippers for number fifty, one who

1544
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:20,159
Became Mohammed, diawara and the number sixty, pick and they.

1545
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:23,039
Speaker 2: Picked Up ariel Huck porty's two million dollar team.

1546
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: Option we haven't gone through a lot of the team option,

1547
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,560
stuff But ariel Huk porty might play if they're going

1548
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,479
to start duel bigs With robinson And.

1549
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,199
Speaker 2: TOWNS i do have a note.

1550
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: Here the thing That i'm having trouble squaring away with

1551
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:37,359
their grade is relative to their resources and what are

1552
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:39,800
they trying to do contend for a title and deepen their.

1553
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,560
ROTATION i just have nothing's happened, yet but it seems

1554
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,560
like we're headed towards that.

1555
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:48,079
Speaker 2: Road they have gart they have a shit ton.

1556
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,319
Speaker 1: Of players on training camp deals right, now Including Malcolm,

1557
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:53,960
Brogden Garrison, Matthews Landry shammitt as the most noteworthy. Ones

1558
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,319
the reporting suggests as we record, this they have room

1559
01:10:58,399 --> 01:11:01,359
enough to sign one veteran minim and then a rookie.

1560
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:05,000
Minimum the reporting suggest they are going to trade somebody

1561
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:08,359
in hopes of opening up another veteran minimum, slot which with,

1562
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,840
them the theory is gonna go to Both shaman And Malcolm.

1563
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,640
Brogden i'm going to say right off the cuff That

1564
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,119
i'm struggling to separate this logic from my grade right

1565
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,840
now BECAUSE i really think that it doesn't make a

1566
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,680
lot of. Sense and you can sit here and tell

1567
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,279
me that the collateral damage will Be Tyler kollik Or Pocom.

1568
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:28,119
Dottie i've Seen duce McBride floated out.

1569
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,079
Speaker 3: THERE i was gonna ask, you if It's duce, McBride

1570
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:30,359
you're not.

1571
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: Happy that's an f like that Is maybe What i'm

1572
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,680
getting at, is, though if you're trading duced, McBride or

1573
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,760
even if you're giving up on the idea of youth

1574
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,359
who's cost, controlled it shouldn't be for end of rotation

1575
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,399
guys who by all, appearances couldn't get a guaranteed minimum

1576
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,520
contract from somebody else who let's throw that out the.

1577
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,760
Window you're not gonna have their bird. Rights they might

1578
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,039
just leave if they have a good season for. You

1579
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,000
so that feels too short term for this. Thing if

1580
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,880
you're gonna Trade Pocomb, dottie this is the Deal i've been.

1581
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,960
FLOATING i don't know if The wizards would do. This

1582
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,520
give them back their first round, pick which is really

1583
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,960
the equivalent of giving them back their next two second round,

1584
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:12,000
picks And Pocomb dottier For Justin. Champenney, like that's the.

1585
01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:14,840
Move that's a cost controlled. Guy The knicks need. Wings

1586
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:17,359
that's the other thing is it shouldn't produced Me. BRIDE

1587
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,520
i also don't think it should be Pocom dottier because

1588
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,159
at least he's a. WING i know Dia ware is

1589
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:25,000
probably gonna yet the rookie minimum from. THEM i, again

1590
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:27,960
they've not done anything, yet SO i can't include it

1591
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,920
in my. Grade But i've put a pin in, that

1592
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:32,960
And i'm quite frankly terrified about what might happen BECAUSE

1593
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,880
i JUST i DON'T i don't understand the logic, NECESSARILY

1594
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:37,800
i get.

1595
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,399
Speaker 3: IT i think, yeah it's but, ultimately would it move

1596
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,520
your grade more than like, half you, know from a

1597
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,239
from a straight letter grade to a minus or plus or.

1598
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:51,520
Whatever LIKE i, think, well if it's, McBride that seems

1599
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,560
like a pretty big. Mismai it can't.

1600
01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:55,399
Speaker 1: Be like if it's Big, bride it's BECAUSE i think

1601
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,640
that they're then getting players like there's actual it's not

1602
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,640
just dumping. Salary and SO i understand that a shaman

1603
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,239
or a broad and is going to help you, more

1604
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,720
they believe than A kullak or a. Dottie it's just,

1605
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:09,520
okay now you're punting on, youth you're punting on team

1606
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,720
control for how? Much Like i'm gonna ask the question,

1607
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,119
then so, like is the goal that they want to?

1608
01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:17,119
Play their rotation has nine guys in it right, now

1609
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,039
and so are you saying that you value going ten

1610
01:13:20,079 --> 01:13:23,199
and eleven deep that? MUCH i, mean that's some pacer.

1611
01:13:23,239 --> 01:13:25,079
Shit but the other thing THAT i don't know if

1612
01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:28,640
it's talked about enough With Mike, brown he's not like

1613
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,279
someone who embraces depth like way more Than Tom The

1614
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:34,520
king's rotation was very top heavy while he was there last.

1615
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,039
Year part of that was roster construction but generally, speaking

1616
01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:39,680
he's relied very heavily on like three or four, guys

1617
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,119
so he might distribute the minutes a little more evenly

1618
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:43,479
Than Tom.

1619
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,159
Speaker 2: Thibodau BUT i.

1620
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: Don't i've never looked at The kings and be, like,

1621
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,399
Yeah Mike brown's running like a fifteen man.

1622
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: Rotation you need this many.

1623
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: Bodies, YEAH i think just because of how it will

1624
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,840
feel like, relatively it's gonna feel Like brown is going

1625
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,119
to the bench like, crazy just because by default he

1626
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:04,520
will do it more Than tibbs. DID i THINK i

1627
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,439
take your. POINT i JUST i would say too, though

1628
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:13,000
that like having depth after you, know a couple years

1629
01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:16,920
of relying so heavily on so few, guys is really

1630
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,840
just insurance as much as. Anything like whether he whether

1631
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,279
with a healthy, rotation he's going ten or eleven, deep

1632
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:25,960
that's one. Thing but like if and When Jalen brunson

1633
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,880
has an ankle thing or like or you, know some,

1634
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:30,479
bridges is never gonna miss time knock on, Wood but

1635
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,600
like you're just at least a little. INSULATED i think

1636
01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:35,840
that in that sense because all this wear and tear

1637
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,760
over these rough couple of years with fairly deep playoff

1638
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,880
runs like somebody's breaking down or several somebodies.

1639
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: Probably it sounds like this was a long preamble to

1640
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,159
be giving them a bad GRADE i didn't actually.

1641
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: GET i gave them a really good grade me.

1642
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: Too the things that actually stood out about their all

1643
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,600
season that happened going From Tom thibbodau To Mike. BROWN

1644
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,720
i DON'T i assume the offense is going to be more,

1645
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,960
inventive but that's a very tough one to WHERE i

1646
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,560
don't look at it as, oh like they're way better

1647
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,359
Because Mike brown is gonna be. THERE i think that

1648
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:06,640
he is a better fit for the offensive, personnel just

1649
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,439
BECAUSE i think you probably could have picked someone off

1650
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,560
the street and said, that or at least that person

1651
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,239
would have tried more shit Than Tom tippeau. DID i

1652
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,920
was very interested by the reaction to the mckel bridges,

1653
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,479
extension AND i Think john hollingerch specifically of the athletic.

1654
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,760
Hating it really made me sit there and, go what

1655
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,359
AM i missing? Here because that's someone who like whose

1656
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:29,520
OPINION i respect the hell out, of AND i just

1657
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,479
keep coming back to this is someone who next year

1658
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,520
he would have cost more than one hundred and fifty

1659
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,239
like he would have had to suffer a catastrophic injury

1660
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,680
to have not gotten this much guaranteed money on the

1661
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:41,520
open market next.

1662
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 3: Year that's that's the argument That i've anchored to throughout

1663
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,479
it BECAUSE i, think and the number that is forever

1664
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,199
in my head is one hundred and fifty six, million

1665
01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:52,079
because that's the most he could have signed for this.

1666
01:15:52,119 --> 01:15:57,159
Offseason and what and So nick's taking. Discounts what's going, On,

1667
01:15:57,279 --> 01:16:02,239
pablo get on, it like the six but six? Million

1668
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:04,800
where's that six million dollars? Going how's he making that?

1669
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,439
Back but but, no like we've been talking about this

1670
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,600
for a while where it's, Like, okay, SURE i guess,

1671
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,239
HONESTLY i can't SAY i thought, this BUT i could

1672
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,960
entertain the argument, that, like that's a lot of money

1673
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:19,439
For Michale bridges the one one hundred and fifty ish

1674
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,119
over four, Years but it never seemed like a lot

1675
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:24,960
of money because of what might have been available to

1676
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:27,760
him had he gone to free agency in a, Year,

1677
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,560
RIGHT i forget that you said it too something to

1678
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,840
twenty something like The Darren fox level, DEAL i, think

1679
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,399
or something like.

1680
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: That so another team could have given him four years

1681
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,119
and two hundred and thirteen million dollars in free agency next.

1682
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:39,520
Year i'm not saying they would have.

1683
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: No but that was, There, yeah it was hanging, There like.

1684
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: Don't you think there would have been like let's even

1685
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,680
say like a four, year one hundred and seventy five

1686
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,560
million dollars a year on the table for him, then.

1687
01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:53,119
Speaker 3: Right and but then so All devil's advocate again like

1688
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,760
maybe that maybe that shouldn't be the. Argument the measure

1689
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,640
of what a player should be paid can't be what

1690
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,920
you think someone else might be willing to pay, him

1691
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:05,600
except like that is how it, works like it just

1692
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,880
you always say it only takes one like some and

1693
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,359
with this player type super durable three and d he

1694
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,800
just like this wing. TYPE i do think the the,

1695
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:20,319
value the universal value of wings that can play both

1696
01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:22,680
ends of the floor is not SOMETHING i think that

1697
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,159
is changing in the apron era or, Whatever like a

1698
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,279
lot of things are. DIFFERENT i do Think bridges would

1699
01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:31,119
have been a very good fit on you name the

1700
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:36,079
winning team that wants another, starter, Right like SO i

1701
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:38,760
THINK I Hall, ANDREW i read the same thing today

1702
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,359
just before we came, on and, like, YES i really

1703
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:45,479
respect his opinion and maybe the case THAT i think

1704
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,720
he was making is like When bridges is this player

1705
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,920
type doesn't age, well he's not going to be able

1706
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,680
to guard for us because he's so. Thin as he

1707
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,279
slows down when he's thirty, three he's going to be

1708
01:17:54,319 --> 01:17:58,520
making a crazy. NUMBER i just Think i'll circle all

1709
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,359
the way back to The bain, thing like when you're

1710
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:02,880
as good as The knicks, are sometimes this is the

1711
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,760
cost of doing. Business and ALSO i still think this

1712
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,680
is like just a good deal BECAUSE i think he

1713
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,600
was gonna get more if you, waited so and like

1714
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,760
if you view it as a trade value, prospect LIKE

1715
01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:16,439
i don't think you're gonna be hard pressed to trade

1716
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,479
Mckel bridges for positive value on this. CONTRACT I i just.

1717
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,760
Don't right for, Now maybe in two years that's.

1718
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 2: Different it tops out.

1719
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: At twenty one point seven percent of the salary cap and,

1720
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,079
here So i'm gonna boil it down even further as

1721
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:30,960
of right, now and so in all likely that this

1722
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:33,840
will change and it'll be. Lower he's going to be

1723
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,960
the fifty first highest paid player in THE nba in

1724
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,760
twenty twenty six twenty. Seven is your argument that he's

1725
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,039
that far away from a top fifty player in the.

1726
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:45,079
League if this deal is, bad that's where that's the

1727
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:47,359
thing THAT i keep coming. Back Maybe i'm oversimplifying, it

1728
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,680
but he's probably gonna be like the fifty fifth highest

1729
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,520
paid player when this deal kicks.

1730
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 2: In that's.

1731
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:57,399
Speaker 3: Fine plus the, durability plus the plug and, play you,

1732
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,800
know plus the demonstrated ability to contribute to a winning

1733
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,279
team in the, playoffs like all that.

1734
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:05,119
Speaker 1: Shit to continue The devil's advocate of it, Though AND

1735
01:19:05,159 --> 01:19:07,560
i know that anyone who listens to this podcast religiously

1736
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,560
understands this is HOW i think. Sometimes but couldn't you

1737
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,520
look at it reasonably and say he's never had the major,

1738
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:14,239
injury so he's.

1739
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: Due, well the.

1740
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,159
Speaker 3: Iron man's only the Iron man until he's. Not that's that's.

1741
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:21,119
True Like DeAndre jordan had it for a, While Clay

1742
01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:24,399
thompson had it for a. While it, happens but so,

1743
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,359
Far LIKE i, mean if you're in arbitration or, Whatever

1744
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,279
like the first thing you're arguing from his side is

1745
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:32,880
like he never gets. Hurt you might pay this much

1746
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,960
for a guy that's gonna play fifty Games like that's.

1747
01:19:35,039 --> 01:19:37,479
Insane he's gonna play eighty, Two like even if his

1748
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,600
day to day production isn't that, High like there aren't

1749
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,920
many players you can just count. On and then the

1750
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,960
counter would be, like well he's gonna break. Down it's

1751
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,279
like all, RIGHT i mean like what's your evidence for.

1752
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:50,279
Speaker 2: That let's so let's we a frame it this.

1753
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: Way Kawhi leonard got paid basically a third of this

1754
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,239
under the table by aspiration or that's NOT i mean

1755
01:19:56,279 --> 01:19:58,359
like you get Me Cal bridges for like three x

1756
01:19:58,399 --> 01:19:59,600
that that's not, bad.

1757
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 3: Right most he's getting six under the. Table SO i

1758
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,199
just you, know pretty.

1759
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: Good so what what did you end up giving? THEM

1760
01:20:08,039 --> 01:20:08,560
i went with A.

1761
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:13,359
Speaker 3: B i gotta be PLUS i think given their. RESOURCES i,

1762
01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:15,279
mean even talk About, yabusele WHO i think is gonna

1763
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:17,720
be pretty good fit regardless of what big you're playing

1764
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,920
him next. To they did what they, could like even

1765
01:20:21,159 --> 01:20:23,399
it's even a feather in their cap that like someone

1766
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,399
Like Malcolm brogden And Landry shammon are, like, yeah you

1767
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,680
might make, it but you might not like.

1768
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: That that's, well that's a good curved By Ben. Simmons

1769
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:35,079
oh you know what basketball got curved By Ben.

1770
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:36,239
Speaker 3: Simmons i'm not interested.

1771
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:40,199
Speaker 1: Anymore, Uh LIKE i, said Maybe i'm having trouble Like

1772
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:42,800
i'm projecting forward on something that they're gonna Do i'm

1773
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,359
not gonna. Like but the other thing THAT i this

1774
01:20:44,399 --> 01:20:46,479
is not a. CONCERN i think The yabuseli deal was totally.

1775
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,560
FINE i don't know if you Want karl He towns

1776
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,359
to play the five and then you're starting him With Mitchell,

1777
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,880
robinson like the Yabucell Karl Anthony towns front court is

1778
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,319
not going to be good, Defensively, like that's.

1779
01:20:59,159 --> 01:20:59,520
Speaker 2: Just not the.

1780
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,239
Speaker 1: Space the spacing will be, Incredible But i'm just. Wondering

1781
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,439
it's it's just sort of WHAT i don't Think Mitchell

1782
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,479
robinson should start for The, knicks which is What i'm getting.

1783
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,760
AT i understand the appeal of, it BUT i think

1784
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,439
that there's More LIKE i like the idea Of yabuselli

1785
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,119
And Mitchell robinson getting minutes and what you can still,

1786
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:17,840
do BUT i don't know. THAT i think What i've

1787
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,399
seen a lot of people talk about, is, well is

1788
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,039
Yab bucelli's three point shooting gonna?

1789
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: Hold he was shooting.

1790
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: Really well in Real madrid like a half decade before

1791
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,960
coming back to THE. Nba i'm more worried about what

1792
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:27,640
does he look like?

1793
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 2: Defensively in some of the lineups that they're gonna throw.

1794
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,239
Speaker 1: Out, still, really they got him to take less, two

1795
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:35,720
which gave them the flexibility to get the one veteran,

1796
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,800
Minimum so a really good deal by. THEM i think

1797
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,199
they had a really good offseason relative to the hang.

1798
01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:44,199
Ups for, me aside from what hasn't happened, yet it's

1799
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:46,399
just there's really no way of knowing whether it was

1800
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,520
the right move to go From tibbs to my or

1801
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,880
how much of an upgrade was. It really you're taking

1802
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,000
a risk like your best player loved him and you

1803
01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:57,359
just made The Eastern conference, finals and we can all

1804
01:21:57,399 --> 01:21:59,760
point to what The knicks did. Wrong we also know

1805
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,359
That Mike brown wasn't their first. Choice let's just you

1806
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,479
have to weigh all of this. TOGETHER i think they

1807
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,880
had a really good offseason, Though, yeah who's up, next?

1808
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:07,119
Speaker 2: Sir?

1809
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 3: Oh The sixers nothing to talk. About so the big

1810
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,119
thing of maybe we should lead with what has not.

1811
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:18,319
Happened Quentin grimes is still a restricted free. Agent we

1812
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,199
also like the quietest of all of The big, four

1813
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:24,640
just because we don't know what the what the offers

1814
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,640
going back and forth have. Been to the degree of

1815
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,439
certainty that we do for so many of these other.

1816
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:33,319
Guys as we record this hasn't signed the qualifying. Offer

1817
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,159
don't really know what, like don't know what's going to happen,

1818
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,640
there so file that. Away we'll come back to. It

1819
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,880
what is done is they DRAFTED Vj edgecomb at number.

1820
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,880
Three Andre drummond picked up his player. Option is. Back Kelly,

1821
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,520
ubra same, thing eight point four million dollar player. Option he's.

1822
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,159
Back they Declined Justin edwards team, option then brought him

1823
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:53,159
back on a three, year seven point one million dollar.

1824
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:56,279
Deal that's a minimum. Deal twenty seven twenty eight is

1825
01:22:56,319 --> 01:22:59,359
a team. Option Trenton watford got a two year minimum.

1826
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:02,920
Deal Eric gordon And Kyle lowry both back on one year.

1827
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,399
MINIMUMS i. Guess the other things to note Are Paul

1828
01:23:05,399 --> 01:23:08,840
george had knee surgery after getting. Injured this is just

1829
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:15,840
it's not trans it may factor into our like like a. Grade.

1830
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:18,920
Uh and Then Joel, embiid as you'll, recall also had

1831
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,720
surgery In april on his. Knee BUT i guess some

1832
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,920
of the clips that have surfaced he looks pretty good

1833
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,359
according to some. People so, YEAH i Don't i'm not

1834
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:29,520
sure where to go. Here The sixers goal maybe we

1835
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,960
should try to lay that. Out is clearly they're built

1836
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,640
Around joel Embiid and And Paul george And Tyrese, maxey

1837
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:38,760
and they're trying to, win like they that, is that

1838
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,520
is the goal right. Now they didn't seem TO i

1839
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,600
GUESS i don't know how you would have given their health,

1840
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,159
statuses but like didn't shop their big expensive. Veterans they're

1841
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:51,960
trying to win and bringing Back Gordon lowry on MINIMUMS

1842
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,560
i think further emphasizes. That so it's a weird situation

1843
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,439
because they have some, youth but that it's like it's

1844
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:04,439
not like they're building AROUND. Vj edgecomb's. Timeline so, uh

1845
01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:07,079
they're just a hard team to. EVALUATE i you, KNOW i.

1846
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:09,960
DON'T i don't because so little of what we're gonna

1847
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:13,439
think and talk and wonder about what them has to

1848
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,960
do with Like kelly Youu bray And Andre drummond and

1849
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:16,560
that kind of.

1850
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: THING i think because The Quenton, grimes aside from DRAFTING. Vj,

1851
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,680
EDGECOMBE i think was the right. Choice but like you

1852
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,079
can't the draft pick can't necessarily define you're especially at

1853
01:24:25,159 --> 01:24:26,840
number three when there wasn't like as big of a

1854
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,600
question as to what WAS i guess this year there were,

1855
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,239
some But Konk nipple wasn't in like the top three

1856
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,560
discussion As, BAILEY i guess was in. There But Quentin

1857
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,680
grimes is going to be like the premier move of

1858
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,159
their offseason unless it preempts other trades from. Them AND

1859
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:42,560
i THINK i looked at it AND i like the

1860
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,119
trend And waffer minimum deal is. GREAT i liked The

1861
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:47,199
Justin edwards deal for. THEM i think like that was

1862
01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:49,079
like a three AND d wing who flew under the

1863
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:52,159
radar a lot last. YEAR i guess what you could

1864
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:54,520
point out as a like a bug rather than a

1865
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,920
feature by waiting on The Quenton grimes, thing you don't

1866
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,720
have clarity on your tax, situation and so could you

1867
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,840
have brought Back Gershan yabucelli using the same tool that

1868
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,920
The knicks, Did, like did you have enough room to

1869
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,359
have gone about? THAT i don't know That Gershon yabucelli

1870
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,119
is a big enough cog In they're machine for me

1871
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:13,800
to sit here and.

1872
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,359
Speaker 2: Say i'm comfortable giving them A.

1873
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: D SO i THINK i actually like a lot of

1874
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,760
the moves that they. Want a lot of the MOVES

1875
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,920
i like edgecomb and as already, SAID i like The

1876
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,640
watford And Justin edwards. DEALS i think you could go,

1877
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,479
LIKE i don't know Why Eric gordon And kyle that

1878
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,399
re need to be, here but like we're dealing with

1879
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:36,600
minimums on those. MARGINS i went with an incomplete BECAUSE

1880
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,720
i Don't the only way THAT i think you could

1881
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,159
hammer them right now is to, say, like, oh they

1882
01:25:41,159 --> 01:25:42,439
should have like torn.

1883
01:25:42,199 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 2: It, down AND i Would.

1884
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: My response to that would, be how who was trading

1885
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,640
For Joel embiid right? Now did you want them to

1886
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,000
give up the number three pick to get Off Paul george's?

1887
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,039
Salary SO i don't know what, else like what is

1888
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:59,000
the road not taken for? Them but even if they

1889
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,720
had hammered out The Quentin grimes deal, already So i'm very,

1890
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,279
Curious like their off season crazy for me is gonna

1891
01:26:05,279 --> 01:26:06,960
be rooted a lot and like what they end up

1892
01:26:07,039 --> 01:26:09,239
keeping him. For SO i can see this very much

1893
01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:11,199
being like A b plus off season from the relative

1894
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:12,079
to the resources they are.

1895
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: Available but it is tough to, divorce like their.

1896
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,319
Speaker 1: Off season from what happened last, summer and it's now

1897
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:20,840
casting a pal over their entire.

1898
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 3: Organization Right it's like it's very much. AFFECTING i went

1899
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,119
with A, c and it's it really is basically like an.

1900
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:29,399
Incomplete it's kind of a punt just just, because LIKE

1901
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,159
i don't, know we'll call it average until they do

1902
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:32,720
something With grimes and actually.

1903
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,039
Speaker 1: Told me that you PUT c for. Complete you saw my,

1904
01:26:35,159 --> 01:26:36,720
complete you, said, SEE.

1905
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 3: I don't care what happens With Quentin. Grimes this is

1906
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:39,920
average across the.

1907
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: Board it's not fair that you got such a quick

1908
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,279
team there that you got to read through and Now

1909
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:46,720
i'm gonna go through. Too oh, yeah The Toronto, raptors

1910
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,039
we're fine. Here we we love what Some Toronto raptors

1911
01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:52,880
around these. Parts Uh so The Toronto raptors quote unquote

1912
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,479
parted ways With messa Eu.

1913
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 2: Jerry do you think that that matters at?

1914
01:26:56,039 --> 01:26:59,359
Speaker 1: All they Drafted Calmary boils at number, nine Drafted Elijah

1915
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,720
martin at number thirty. Nine they Made Bobby webster the

1916
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,760
lead executive without giving him the team president, title and

1917
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,680
had they were had like the weirdest press release of

1918
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:09,840
it of all.

1919
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,039
Speaker 2: TIME i. DON'T i guess it was a money thing

1920
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:12,760
that they didn't.

1921
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,520
Speaker 3: Want to mean as they can pay him less if

1922
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,159
he the, president all.

1923
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 2: Right.

1924
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: Uh they then for some, reason they Extended Yaka pertl

1925
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,439
on a three, year eighty four point five million dollar.

1926
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,920
Deal he picked up his nineteen point five million dollar

1927
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,840
team option as excuse, me nineteen point five million dollar

1928
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,359
player option for twenty six to twenty seven is part

1929
01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:38,199
of this extension grant that, brings including this upcoming, season

1930
01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:41,399
The Yaka pertl contract grand totals now five years and

1931
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:46,640
one hundred and twenty three point one million. Dollars find

1932
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,760
you a team or just somebody who loves you as

1933
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,199
much as The Toronto raptors Love Yaka. Purdle they Signed

1934
01:27:52,199 --> 01:27:55,279
Sandro mamerskvivli to a two year minimum deal with a

1935
01:27:55,279 --> 01:27:57,359
player option on the latter, year and Then garrett Temple

1936
01:27:57,399 --> 01:27:59,760
is back on a one year minimum.

1937
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Deal well what were they? Like AND i want to

1938
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,199
point out they didn't do a.

1939
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:07,039
Speaker 1: TON i mean The Yaka purle EXTENSION i think cost a.

1940
01:28:07,079 --> 01:28:10,479
Ton they didn't do a ton because Like brandon Ingram

1941
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,840
is their free agency, addition they acquired him at the,

1942
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,119
deadline they extended. Him but what what was the endgame

1943
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,720
of The Toronto raptors this? Offseason, granted, well.

1944
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 3: This is this is the, problem because what we're trying

1945
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,800
what we've committed to trying to lay out is like

1946
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,520
what's the goal right of the team in the, Offseason

1947
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,600
and it's harder to say with any clarity what that

1948
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,399
is for The raptors than it is for almost any

1949
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:38,199
other team other than Like. Helicans just Like helican's goal

1950
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:42,079
is to screw up and they're killing. It it just

1951
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:44,600
feels like more of the, same, right like from From

1952
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,680
webster being like the internal promotion basically as like a

1953
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,239
guy that's been been there for a lot of the

1954
01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:53,279
transactions that got them to this, point, Right.

1955
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 2: CAN i inerject to ask you a.

1956
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 1: QUESTION i don't know what to make of The messiah

1957
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,640
Eu jerry stuff because was it if it was something

1958
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,920
about his vision for the, roster letting him go and

1959
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,560
then proceeding to do absolutely nothing to change the roster is,

1960
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,479
Weird and that if it was a money, thing that.

1961
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 2: Like that can't make you feel good about what's happening.

1962
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 3: Either, No AND i think actually what you're describing makes

1963
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,399
it seem more likely that it was money because they

1964
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,000
didn't like hard pivot to someone with a different. Ideology

1965
01:29:24,039 --> 01:29:26,439
it doesn't seem like maybe that'll be proved based on

1966
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,199
what's happened so, Far it's sure doesn't seem like they

1967
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:34,760
extension is. Proof, yeah really to culinary boyles like really

1968
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,479
interesting player does a lot of things, well is a weird?

1969
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,520
Fit is another guy that like maybe isn't gonna help

1970
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,720
you as a space probably isn't gonna help you as a,

1971
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,000
spacer does a lot just Some Scottie barnes vibes in

1972
01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:48,319
terms of just like, yeah he checks a lot of,

1973
01:29:48,319 --> 01:29:50,439
boxes but, LIKE i don't know how valuable is someone

1974
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,880
that just isn't gonna get guarded seriously beyond the arc

1975
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,199
when he doesn't have the, Ball, like they just have

1976
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:59,079
a lot of those. Guys SO i don't know what

1977
01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:01,880
they're trying to do other than kind of preserve the status.

1978
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,760
QUO i guess if you're going to be, charitable you

1979
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:09,279
would say they're trying to see what the healthy version

1980
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:12,039
of this team they've put together over the LAST i

1981
01:30:12,039 --> 01:30:16,000
guess eighteen months looks, like which is like the quickly

1982
01:30:16,039 --> 01:30:19,359
Barrett Ingram barnes, Pearl like what can that? Be they

1983
01:30:19,399 --> 01:30:21,640
didn't they didn't tinker with that because they haven't actually

1984
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:24,000
seen what that looks. LIKE i think you AND i

1985
01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:26,880
are both kind of on the side of like that

1986
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,159
looks like a team that tops out at forty one

1987
01:30:29,279 --> 01:30:32,520
wins or forty four or something like that and is

1988
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:39,239
hampered by spacing all, year feels, unambitious feels, uninventive feels

1989
01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:41,600
LIKE i mean to be less kind about, it feels

1990
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,600
like banging your head against the wall a little bit

1991
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,640
from a like a direction. Standpoint so this is one

1992
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,840
of the teams that kind of for, me it really

1993
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,760
was always going to struggle to come out of this

1994
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,600
with a good grade because, like, One i'm not totally

1995
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,920
sure what you'd say they're, doing and two if this

1996
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,319
this is what they're trying to, do whatever this, is,

1997
01:31:02,359 --> 01:31:05,359
LIKE i don't like. It SO i don't know which

1998
01:31:05,359 --> 01:31:08,079
which of the you mentioned the pearl, thing, like can

1999
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:11,039
we talk them like why that's what do we need

2000
01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:11,399
to do that?

2001
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: For SO i what's interesting IS i actually disagree on

2002
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,560
The raptors in the sense That i'm all for seeing

2003
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,760
there's just a lot of talent, here, sure and there's

2004
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,239
a lot of guys that can do stuff on. Ball

2005
01:31:21,279 --> 01:31:23,319
we've seen that they've GOTTEN. Rj barrett to do more

2006
01:31:23,319 --> 01:31:25,560
away from the. Ball maybe you can do the same

2007
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,439
with Brandon. INGRAM i agree with what you said About Calamary.

2008
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,680
Boyles the fit on offense is going to be hella awkward,

2009
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:34,520
defensively THOUGH i think he could be really good right.

2010
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:35,199
Speaker 2: AWAY i.

2011
01:31:35,199 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 1: AGREE i think that this team could benefit Like that's

2012
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,199
WHY i like The mamu, signing is to have a

2013
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:42,039
floor spacing center that would help them a. TON i

2014
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:44,199
think that we've kind of forgotten how good a manual

2015
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:47,520
quickly can, be So i'm not as fast as some people, Think,

2016
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,720
well you need to trade or should have Traded purtle

2017
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,159
or gotten rid OF. Rj barrett by. Now there is

2018
01:31:52,199 --> 01:31:54,720
something weird about this team being into the luxury TAX

2019
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,159
i totally agree with. THAT i think their ceiling is

2020
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:00,319
more like forty, six forty, seven forty eight. Wins everyone

2021
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:02,000
stays healthy because there's a lot of talent and.

2022
01:32:02,079 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 2: Versatility WHAT i.

2023
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,319
Speaker 1: Take issue with IS i already mentioned the masaiu jery.

2024
01:32:06,319 --> 01:32:08,760
Stuff if it was if it was financially, motivated which

2025
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,920
you AND i both believe it, was that's even more.

2026
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,680
Inexcusable if it was like philosophical, DIFFERENCES i get, it

2027
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,640
you've already proven it wasn't, that or even if you

2028
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,279
think it was that you don't get to then sit

2029
01:32:17,319 --> 01:32:19,439
here and do absolutely. Nothing not only did you do absolutely,

2030
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,159
nothing you you doubled. Down and that's.

2031
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 2: My sticking point.

2032
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Here the unambitious move to me was Extending Yaka. Partle

2033
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:31,359
why what was the? Urgency what was the urgency to

2034
01:32:31,399 --> 01:32:34,199
Extend yako peurdl because he had a player option for

2035
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:35,920
twenty twenty six twenty.

2036
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 2: Seven, LIKE i just don't. Like what was the if

2037
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:41,479
he if he picked it up as part of that.

2038
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,560
Deal you think he wasn't gonna be willing to do

2039
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,920
that like In. JUNE i just.

2040
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,319
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't understand that at. All and SO i

2041
01:32:48,319 --> 01:32:50,800
think that this was an unambitious offseason in the sense

2042
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,520
of you got rid Of masayu jury because you cheaped.

2043
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,800
Out that's my read on. It maybe we're, wrong but

2044
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,640
that's my read on. It and then you Extended Yaka

2045
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,760
purl when you didn't have, to when he is among

2046
01:33:01,239 --> 01:33:04,319
the questionable fits for your roster given how you fleshed

2047
01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:07,000
it out, Elsewhere i'm open to the idea that we

2048
01:33:07,039 --> 01:33:08,600
still need to see this in. ACTION i seem to

2049
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,880
be higher on the encore product than, you AND i

2050
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,399
still think this was an abomination of an off season from.

2051
01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:17,279
Speaker 3: Them so if minus is What i'm, hearing.

2052
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 2: Uh, NO i went WITH A i don't even remember

2053
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:21,239
WHAT i went. WITH i went with A. D i

2054
01:33:21,279 --> 01:33:23,079
believe what did you go? WITH i want THE d

2055
01:33:23,159 --> 01:33:24,399
plus Because i'm high on The.

2056
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,520
Speaker 3: Raptors you're welcome you you like The encore products exactly

2057
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,439
one half grade more THAN i. DO i went with THE. D,

2058
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,800
YEAH i JUST i don't like the. Vision The pearl

2059
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,720
thing makes no. Sense, YEAH i, mean, yeah maybe you're

2060
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,199
right about their ceiling in terms of like The east

2061
01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:40,600
sucks and somebody's got to win in the high, forties

2062
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:41,119
and maybe they're.

2063
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: It even if you don't like their, vision aren't you

2064
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,279
at least open to them trying to see how it

2065
01:33:46,319 --> 01:33:48,680
plays out because we haven't been able to see it play.

2066
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,239
Speaker 3: OUT i think that's the. Best the best argument you

2067
01:33:52,279 --> 01:33:54,800
can make in their favor is they they don't they

2068
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:58,239
don't know, yet like what this looks like with these

2069
01:33:58,279 --> 01:34:01,199
five guys, together and then like we're not even talking

2070
01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:03,159
about some of it because they're not off season moves,

2071
01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:05,920
really but like you, know What's Jacobe walter look? Like

2072
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,680
what Like mobo And shed and Like Grady dick, like

2073
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,600
there's their talent on this. Team there's no questioning. That

2074
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:14,960
they just they're just continuing to Throw ingram in. Here

2075
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,239
they're just continuing to pay guys that like why so?

2076
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:22,399
Much why so? Soon and how and again without knowing

2077
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:26,479
like if this player type In ingram's case or In purtle's,

2078
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,000
case like can even get you to a level you

2079
01:34:29,039 --> 01:34:29,479
want to get.

2080
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:34,159
Speaker 1: To, HONESTLY i would say it's probably pretty rare that

2081
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,640
a team that didn't give out more than a minimum

2082
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,600
contract in free agency get the d, Right, like what's.

2083
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 2: The last time that would have?

2084
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 3: Happened probably The.

2085
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Bulls speaking of the, transition you really are a veteran

2086
01:34:47,279 --> 01:34:48,880
of the, show, sir all.

2087
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 3: Right i'll take. Them uh, spoiler this will factor into

2088
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,680
my grade a little. Bit Signed Billy donovan too an,

2089
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,239
extension and signed arturist Karnashov us to an. Extension they

2090
01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:01,239
Took Noah senga at number. Twelve he dunked. On they

2091
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:04,479
traded number forty, five which Was Rocko. Zakarski i'm, sorry

2092
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,640
it's gonna be the only thing we think of until

2093
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,840
he does something. Else for number fifty Five Lachlan olbrick and.

2094
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,520
Cash they Traded Lonzo ball straight up one for one

2095
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,720
to The caps For Isaaca. Korro lot's a pretty interesting

2096
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,520
deal to. Unpack, there brought Back Trey jones on a three,

2097
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,319
year twenty four million dollar deal that's a flat eight

2098
01:35:21,359 --> 01:35:23,560
million per year and twenty seven to twenty eight is

2099
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:26,760
a team. Option and then most, recently they Got Josh

2100
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:32,119
giddy restricted free agent back four, years one hundred, million fully,

2101
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:38,159
guaranteed no, options a standard ascending. Scale he wanted WHAT

2102
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:40,399
i guess it would have been one twenty or one.

2103
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,319
Thirty they wanted. EIGHTY i think was their starting. Point

2104
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,760
they they met in the, middle ALTHOUGH i have some

2105
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,680
thoughts on if that was actually a meeting in the. Middle, So,

2106
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:56,000
dan The bulls goal was to win between two. GAMES

2107
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,880
i think they've done a bang up job of. Us

2108
01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:04,119
it's well WHAT i will, say, uh we disagree with

2109
01:36:04,199 --> 01:36:10,920
their direction and have. Forever this is the perfect, offseason,

2110
01:36:11,159 --> 01:36:14,560
uh in chasing that that goal that they've set out

2111
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:15,439
for themselves just.

2112
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:20,399
Speaker 1: Terrific, yeah IT'S i get it seems, unambitious but isn't

2113
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,279
that the goal of the franchise to be.

2114
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,079
Speaker 2: Unambitious that's Why i've had trouble it's a hard team to.

2115
01:36:25,159 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 3: Grade for that, reason they're nailing it in terms.

2116
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 2: Of what they want to. Do here's my.

2117
01:36:29,039 --> 01:36:31,239
Speaker 1: Thing if you're going to be, unambitious you should have

2118
01:36:31,279 --> 01:36:34,880
Extended Nikol and for that reason they get AN, afs,

2119
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:35,880
right they.

2120
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:39,199
Speaker 3: Could have done so much. More is it too soon

2121
01:36:39,239 --> 01:36:40,359
to Extend Patrick williams?

2122
01:36:40,399 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 2: Again?

2123
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,039
Speaker 1: So can his entire contract just be player options each

2124
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:49,960
year he gets negotiating Every.

2125
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,119
Speaker 3: You know what you're in, charge. Man you want to

2126
01:36:51,159 --> 01:36:52,439
come back? Great if, not.

2127
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 1: GODSPEED I, SO i actually don't have a problem with

2128
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,760
The donovan. EXTENSION i don't know that we know and

2129
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:01,560
not off about what he could do with a really good,

2130
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,159
roster but like he's done things like help them at.

2131
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:06,640
Points feel like the way they played on offense last

2132
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,880
year was actually highly entertaining once they kind Of so

2133
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:10,479
he moved on from Zach. Lvine you had moved on

2134
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:14,319
from DeMar derozen before. That, Uh i'm fine with. THAT

2135
01:37:15,039 --> 01:37:17,479
i don't like the ak getting an, extension which we

2136
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,239
don't know when that actually might not even be an

2137
01:37:19,279 --> 01:37:21,600
off season, thing but grandfathered in to hear that's an

2138
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,920
f move because it was, announced, Right and SO i

2139
01:37:25,039 --> 01:37:27,079
like a sangue like having watched him in suddenly like

2140
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:28,319
he had a few plays where it was kind of, like,

2141
01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:30,560
oh all, right like, him look at him getting downhill

2142
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,880
with the ball in his. Hands BUT i DON'T i

2143
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,239
didn't love anything about their. OFFENSE i think The Trey

2144
01:37:35,319 --> 01:37:37,960
jones deal is really. Good now they just have all these.

2145
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,079
Guards and if the biggest, COMPLIMENT i don't know where to,

2146
01:37:41,159 --> 01:37:43,079
land let's start, here where do you land on a

2147
01:37:43,159 --> 01:37:45,680
corral For Lonzo? Ball because some of me understands it in,

2148
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,399
theory because it's a choral can play more. Minutes they

2149
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,840
needed more of a like a perimeter like attack dog

2150
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,880
on defense Than Lonzo ball was ever gonna provide. You

2151
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:58,760
and in, theory they might have enough, offense So Isaaca

2152
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,119
cora will hit his corner threes the regular season and

2153
01:38:01,159 --> 01:38:03,399
then they don't play beyond the regular season, really so

2154
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,800
then who cares what he does in the. Playoffs BUT

2155
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:10,119
i was also just sort of like, like, like why

2156
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:12,399
you got the worst player on the worst contract and

2157
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:13,960
you didn't get any picks for?

2158
01:38:14,119 --> 01:38:15,159
Speaker 2: It SO i didn't love.

2159
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:18,359
Speaker 1: That and then the biggest compliment that it seems people

2160
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:18,920
want to.

2161
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,520
Speaker 2: Give is you Met josh giddy in the.

2162
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 3: Middle JUST i think YOU i think that's like, again

2163
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:29,960
The Trey jones. DEAL i like that. DEAL i think

2164
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:33,840
that's objectively. GOOD i think for the wrong, REASONS A

2165
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,199
coral probably is a better player for this team Than

2166
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:39,039
Lonzo ball is because it's not a playoff type of

2167
01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:41,560
situation for the you know WHAT i, Mean, like, yeah,

2168
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,239
nope you're. Right we don't care about the playoffs and

2169
01:38:44,319 --> 01:38:46,239
the stuff that matters, There so A coral makes. Sense

2170
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:48,520
who cares if he gets played off the floor because

2171
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,359
nobody bothers to guard him if he's shooting threes in the,

2172
01:38:51,359 --> 01:38:55,039
corner not an issue for. Us the big thing is

2173
01:38:56,359 --> 01:39:01,159
just bundling up The donovan And nak. Extension is just

2174
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:04,840
ownership saying looking at the last half decade and saying

2175
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,000
we're good with this and that sucks like, that that's

2176
01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:11,239
that's dispiriting If i'm a, fan because like this is.

2177
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:14,760
Boring who wants? This it's JUST i hate that we

2178
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,479
used unambitious For toronto right before, this because like this

2179
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,640
is the unambitious team the Bull like it's it's a broken.

2180
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:26,000
Record LIKE i JUST i don't understand the lack of

2181
01:39:26,079 --> 01:39:29,800
desire to like whatever you want to call, it take

2182
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,000
a big, swing like do something, different peel off the,

2183
01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:36,560
veterans start, over or like make a big trade for just.

2184
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:41,439
Anything So i'm just so disheartened by the let's do

2185
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:46,159
more of this tenor of the coach and executive extensions that,

2186
01:39:46,319 --> 01:39:50,079
like it's hard to get excited about anything. Else and

2187
01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:54,399
then on The gidea, Front, yeah you you didn't give

2188
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,720
him what he was asking, for SO i guess like

2189
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,880
in some way that can be framed as a, win

2190
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:04,359
except like nobody else was gonna give him, anything so

2191
01:40:05,039 --> 01:40:08,800
you could have held strong and said it's twenty a year,

2192
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:13,520
tops or take the qualifying, offer LIKE i do feel

2193
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:18,119
like even though they got down to one hundred, million

2194
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,399
it felt like The bulls. Caved LIKE i don't view

2195
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,680
this As giddy caving Because giddy had one team in

2196
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,359
position to pay, him and it was The. Bulls he

2197
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:31,960
didn't really have realistic. ALTERNATIVES i don't see Why chicago

2198
01:40:32,079 --> 01:40:34,680
had to do. This, now it's possible he's a positive

2199
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:39,359
value at this, Contract I'LL i personally don't think that's super.

2200
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:42,359
LIKELY i just don't believe in what he. Does mattering

2201
01:40:42,399 --> 01:40:45,079
on a team that wins again here we, are. Though

2202
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,279
The bulls are a team that has low, ambitions and

2203
01:40:47,319 --> 01:40:49,840
maybe this is a value for. THEM i just, think

2204
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,520
given what the market was, yielding which is nothing for

2205
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,319
restricted free, agents you could have held out. Longer you

2206
01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:57,119
could have dared him to take the qualifying.

2207
01:40:57,119 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 1: Offer SO i don't you have gotten a team option

2208
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:03,600
on the like in a fifth year or, AGAIN i.

2209
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,239
Speaker 3: Don't view it as a. WIN i don't view it

2210
01:41:05,239 --> 01:41:05,439
as a.

2211
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 1: Win and it's even if THAT i just even if

2212
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,640
in a vacuum he plays up to the standard of this,

2213
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:15,479
contract the limitations he imposes on you from. It, like

2214
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,640
let's let's look at what the best version Of Josh

2215
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,279
giddy was last. Year him getting all the way, downhill

2216
01:41:20,399 --> 01:41:23,239
not bailing out on, floaters him hitting his, threes still

2217
01:41:23,239 --> 01:41:27,439
not bringing anything for you, defensively still borderline, useless is

2218
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,600
probably too too, cruel but like not a threat away

2219
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,319
from the, Ball and by, THREAT i, mean, okay you

2220
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:35,560
might knock down spot up threes to how many teams?

2221
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 2: Care, Right you're not gonna treat him like a.

2222
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:41,079
Speaker 1: Threat and the other, thing, too is so now you've

2223
01:41:41,079 --> 01:41:44,840
paid him miss. Money kobe if Like Kobe white's better

2224
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:47,079
Like Kobe white is just. Better he's more plug and

2225
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:49,159
playing on the offensive, End he's has the higher ceiling

2226
01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:49,600
as a shot.

2227
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:53,159
Speaker 2: Creator is that your back court of the, future knowing

2228
01:41:53,159 --> 01:41:53,760
what he's gonna.

2229
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:55,159
Speaker 1: Cost So i'm not saying they should have went and

2230
01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:57,000
Traded they probably should have Traded Kobe white by, now

2231
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,520
But i'm not digging him from not Trading Kobe.

2232
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:00,279
Speaker 2: White but that's the word.

2233
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:03,399
Speaker 1: Again as unambitious as you've decided that these two or

2234
01:42:03,399 --> 01:42:04,760
like your back quart of the, future and if you're

2235
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,800
gonna choose between the, two you picked the wrong.

2236
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 2: One so you're, right.

2237
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,039
Speaker 1: It does feel like the deal is not bad and

2238
01:42:11,079 --> 01:42:15,079
the process WAS i say the process was, okay but

2239
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:18,840
it's also just was it like it did because it's

2240
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,000
like you, said they could have held out for, more

2241
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,920
and it's not if you would have signed his qualifying

2242
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,479
offer because he'd been restricted unrestricted free agent left for,

2243
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:27,079
nothing so what?

2244
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 2: Right so?

2245
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,039
Speaker 1: WHAT i don't know that he drives winning enough to

2246
01:42:31,079 --> 01:42:34,000
say they needed to do. THIS i think it's just

2247
01:42:34,079 --> 01:42:35,800
if they were gonna hold out as long as they,

2248
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:39,359
did couldn't they, have like you, said push for more

2249
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:40,720
or like why not get this deal?

2250
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 2: Done?

2251
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,079
Speaker 1: Then, Early, like you can't tell me that this was

2252
01:42:43,079 --> 01:42:45,199
he really not signing for for one hundred earlier in

2253
01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:48,199
the Off like what what made you decide that you

2254
01:42:48,279 --> 01:42:48,800
wanted to go?

2255
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 2: UP i want to know what?

2256
01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: Changed and so if they were going to do something

2257
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,079
with him where it was costing them twenty plus million a,

2258
01:42:56,119 --> 01:42:58,239
year it felt like it should have been more team

2259
01:42:58,239 --> 01:42:59,720
because right now it's okay if he plays up to

2260
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,079
snuff on this, deal like get to be a free agent.

2261
01:43:02,119 --> 01:43:03,800
Again like at the end of, it like you didn't

2262
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:05,960
get a player, option but you also didn't get a

2263
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,319
fifth year or a team option at any point you

2264
01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:11,159
didn't stick to the price that you wanted, to which

2265
01:43:11,239 --> 01:43:14,640
was twenty at the. Beginning SO i DON'T i guess

2266
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,600
they got the years they wanted, though because didn't they

2267
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:18,760
want four for eighty that's what you said at the, top.

2268
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 3: That WAS i THINK i remember it being they want

2269
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:22,239
four for. Eighty he wants four for one to.

2270
01:43:22,239 --> 01:43:26,119
Speaker 1: Twenty, Yeah SO I i guess that's WHAT I just

2271
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:29,119
don't you already trying to play the leverage. Game And

2272
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:31,239
i'm not saying restricted free agency is fair to the,

2273
01:43:31,239 --> 01:43:33,800
players but it is collectively bargained that it makes sense

2274
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,359
for teams to push those pressure, points and it's maybe

2275
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:39,520
they saw Because Cam thomas signed is qualifying off for?

2276
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,960
First is that something that sort of pushed them over

2277
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,319
the edge to, say oh, no like we.

2278
01:43:44,279 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 3: Did, Know, YEAH i, DON'T i don't. Know let's get

2279
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:51,960
to the grades. Here we are not on Team. Bulls,

2280
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,760
HERE i went du WENT d. Plus it's like it's

2281
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,079
not an f because you can make a case for

2282
01:43:57,119 --> 01:43:59,239
The giddy. DEAL i guess we're not gonna make. It

2283
01:43:59,279 --> 01:44:01,039
and then we like some of the smaller, stuff but

2284
01:44:01,079 --> 01:44:02,760
overall direction is just we hate.

2285
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 1: It we're onto The Cleveland, cavaliers another team that did

2286
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:06,680
not do too.

2287
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: Much but what.

2288
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 1: They did Do grant is they Signed Kobe autman to

2289
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,239
a two year, extension so now he's on the books

2290
01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:16,000
through or with them through twenty twenty. Eight twenty. Nine

2291
01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:19,319
they Drafted Tyrese proctor at number forty, nine then signed

2292
01:44:19,399 --> 01:44:21,920
him using the second round exception a team. Option on

2293
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:26,399
that fourth. Year they drafted Salou niang at number fifty.

2294
01:44:26,399 --> 01:44:28,840
Eight they traded Guyasa acorol For Lonzo. Ball we just

2295
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,680
talked about that. Trade they Resigned sam maryld a four,

2296
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,439
year thirty eight million dollar deal fully guaranteed no, options

2297
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,279
and they Signed Larry Nance junior to a one year minimum.

2298
01:44:37,319 --> 01:44:39,359
Deal and, also just as a, Note tijerrome is now

2299
01:44:39,359 --> 01:44:42,319
with The. Grizzlies he used to play for The. Cavaliers all,

2300
01:44:42,399 --> 01:44:42,960
right what was?

2301
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 2: There what was their?

2302
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 3: Goal trying to win the? Title? Man that's? It, like,

2303
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,479
right that's they're trying to win? Championship they were? Once

2304
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:51,760
what do they? Win sixty? Four last, year number one

2305
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,640
seed left the playoffs earlier than you should if you're

2306
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:57,239
a sixty four win. Team injuries had something to do with.

2307
01:44:57,279 --> 01:45:02,399
That But i'm gonna focus here On, UH i guess

2308
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:04,439
this is just the reverse of The chicago side of.

2309
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,159
IT i THINK i think you're probably right if you

2310
01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:09,439
Assume ball is going to play less than A coorra would,

2311
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:11,800
have and the, injury the risk of him just actually

2312
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:16,520
giving you nothing is probably among the highest of any

2313
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,880
player in the. League. RIGHT i still think it was

2314
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,079
a great trade for them because on the off chance

2315
01:45:22,119 --> 01:45:24,640
that he is healthy in the, POSTSEASON i can imagine

2316
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:28,520
him closing. Games so, like that's that's where the analysis

2317
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:29,359
ends for me on.

2318
01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:31,279
Speaker 1: That the other thing, too AND i think it could

2319
01:45:31,359 --> 01:45:33,279
BE i would, agree but it could be, extended sort

2320
01:45:33,279 --> 01:45:36,119
of like we do With Norman powell just before The

2321
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:38,880
Max strews injury makes What Lonzo ball does a lot

2322
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,000
more like the connective passing and the shooting for, sure.

2323
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 3: Right he's he is very much a playoff player in

2324
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,960
ways that A koro is. Not like teams are concerned

2325
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,960
about his. Shooting he is valuable off of the. Ball

2326
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,119
he's valuable with the, ball but doesn't need to be

2327
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,439
the one that's scoring with. It and good good off ball,

2328
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:59,479
defend good team defender like can help insulate Both mitchell

2329
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,119
and Gar, carland you, know just like just does stuff

2330
01:46:02,119 --> 01:46:04,760
that you want from what would clearly be like a

2331
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,479
fifth guy you, know on in any lineup you have

2332
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,720
out there against really good. Teams so love, That Sam

2333
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,880
merrill four for thirty, eight no. Problem, again another thing

2334
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,560
that looks good with looks better With struce being. Hurt

2335
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:18,880
just you still got plenty of shooting in the. Hole

2336
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:21,479
and he's a better defender than most players like him.

2337
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,199
Speaker 1: Are thank you for, saying, well it's just like the

2338
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:27,079
bar is low, Right like we're comparing him against like

2339
01:46:27,079 --> 01:46:29,560
THE Aj greens And Luke kennards and trying to think

2340
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:31,640
who Else i'd throw in, there your buddy heels like

2341
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,319
that kind of, Thing like four for thirty eight for

2342
01:46:34,359 --> 01:46:34,960
him is totally.

2343
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 3: Reasonable that was true Before struce got. Hurt it's more true.

2344
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,479
NOW i just Like Larry. NANCE i think that's a

2345
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:43,119
great minimum. Signing i've always liked. Him can defend.

2346
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 1: Speaking of players who risk giving you nothing though because of.

2347
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:47,840
Injury SURE i WOULD i probably would. Have if we're,

2348
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:49,640
NITPICKING i would have liked to have seen, them and

2349
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:52,239
they still could add a big that, can like you,

2350
01:46:52,279 --> 01:46:53,840
know is gonna be, there, like let's. Not we don't

2351
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:58,079
need like The Tristan thompson Human victory cigar roster. Spot

2352
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,159
the other, thing, too is just they could have Paid Ty.

2353
01:47:01,239 --> 01:47:03,279
JEROME i understand why they. Didn't they're in the second

2354
01:47:03,279 --> 01:47:05,520
apron like when teams are going into the second ape or, no,

2355
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,479
no they are in the Second. April they're the only

2356
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,600
team in the Second. April so you need to give

2357
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,880
them kudos for. That but you do sort of, wonder

2358
01:47:12,279 --> 01:47:14,279
what's the ball handling look like in the half court

2359
01:47:14,359 --> 01:47:16,880
coming off the, bench, now because that's not that's not

2360
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:19,359
what a lonzo. Does it's not what Sam merril. Does

2361
01:47:19,359 --> 01:47:21,279
maybe that says a lot with how they feel About Jalalen.

2362
01:47:21,319 --> 01:47:22,760
Tyson we'll have to see for.

2363
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 2: Sure tyre's procter.

2364
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 1: And theory is someone could do some of that, Stuff

2365
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:27,880
BUT i don't expect the number forty nine pick to

2366
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:28,439
be a part of the.

2367
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:29,199
Speaker 2: Rotation hot.

2368
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:32,359
Speaker 3: TIG a gentleman Named Evan mobley might be able.

2369
01:47:32,119 --> 01:47:35,079
Speaker 2: To soak up, that, right totally a phote of.

2370
01:47:35,079 --> 01:47:37,520
Speaker 1: Confidence but just if you're Playing Domin Mitchell Darius gorond

2371
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,760
so much, together you'd like to have a third ball

2372
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,199
handling guard come off the, BENCH i would think, so

2373
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:43,359
not a big, thing.

2374
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 2: But that's where they had no.

2375
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: Resources what they had was the ability to retain. Talent

2376
01:47:48,279 --> 01:47:50,119
they found a way to, ADD i, think on to

2377
01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:52,399
their team With Lonzo. Ball the only thing THAT i

2378
01:47:52,399 --> 01:47:55,119
think you can really quibble over is right that like

2379
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:57,439
third ball, handler should they have just kept like sucked

2380
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:58,039
it up and Paid?

2381
01:47:58,039 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 3: Tygerome, YEAH i think that's.

2382
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:01,199
Speaker 2: Fair would you give him as a?

2383
01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 3: GRADE i gave him A b and that that really

2384
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,600
is just an acknowledgment THAT i pointed to of like.

2385
01:48:07,239 --> 01:48:10,479
You the downside risk is you get literally zero From

2386
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:14,600
lonzo and Possibly nance and SO i just have to

2387
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:17,279
kind of price that. In but REALLY i love the

2388
01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:18,720
theory of basically everything they.

2389
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:22,399
Speaker 1: DID i WENT p plus BECAUSE i think that highly

2390
01:48:22,399 --> 01:48:22,880
Of tyree's.

2391
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 2: Proctor that's really the OLDER.

2392
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 1: I HONESTLY i like The Sam meryl deal AND i

2393
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,560
love THE. I i guess it's a trade that it

2394
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,760
was easy to justify for both teams in. Hindsight BUT

2395
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,840
i really just even with the risk, INVOLVED i like

2396
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:35,760
The lonzo deal.

2397
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 2: So much better For. Cleveland you got the better player

2398
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,600
on the better. Contract As i've said like eight.

2399
01:48:40,399 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Times now on this, podcast The Detroit, pistons they're your.

2400
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 2: Team grant all, right.

2401
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 3: Drafted Chas laniar at thirty. Seven he got the second

2402
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,520
round special four years for eight point. Seven you. DO

2403
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,760
i did listen to the Look. Ahead you Love?

2404
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,600
Speaker 2: Chazz, yeah, last, last, Last so.

2405
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 3: This Is. Grant they Signed karrislavert two years twenty eight

2406
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:07,000
point nine, million Resigned Paul reid two years ten point

2407
01:49:07,079 --> 01:49:10,079
nine Traded Simoni fontechio For Duncan. Robinson that's a sign and,

2408
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:13,520
trade And robinson has his deals have always been, weird

2409
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,920
but signed a three, year forty five million dollar. Deal

2410
01:49:16,119 --> 01:49:19,000
it's a declining scale deal only two millions guaranteed in

2411
01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:21,039
twenty six twenty. Seven none of it is guaranteed in

2412
01:49:21,039 --> 01:49:24,159
twenty seven twenty. Eight this is an a plus for

2413
01:49:24,199 --> 01:49:25,399
you Signed Javonte.

2414
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,039
Speaker 1: Green to one year. Minimum should dig the bulls for?

2415
01:49:28,079 --> 01:49:30,039
That one of The pelicans had who had Von green

2416
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,039
did last? Year, well they both had him at, POINTS

2417
01:49:32,079 --> 01:49:32,840
i can't remember.

2418
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:34,119
Speaker 2: Where it, was like the bulls let. Go at some

2419
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:35,199
point they had a f.

2420
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,720
Speaker 3: You're The Javonte? Green, well how about? This we just

2421
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:40,800
don't believe in The pelicans or The. Bulls what are

2422
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:44,359
they have in? Common gave up On Javonte, Green they

2423
01:49:44,359 --> 01:49:47,199
signed and. Traded talking about The. Pistons Now Dennis shrewder

2424
01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:49,520
to The kings with a twenty twenty nine second that's

2425
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,800
the least favorable Of Detroit milwaukee and The knicks For

2426
01:49:52,039 --> 01:49:55,039
charlotte's twenty six second top fifty five protection fake second

2427
01:49:55,039 --> 01:49:58,640
alert that created a fourteen point one million dollar traded player.

2428
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 2: Exception i'm, Sorry CAN i be a? Nerd could we

2429
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:01,560
be at dorks for a?

2430
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:02,039
Speaker 3: Second love?

2431
01:50:02,119 --> 01:50:05,520
Speaker 1: It that sign and trade move was, Brilliant like you

2432
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,479
found a way to use the non Tax pyder mid

2433
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,640
level and then still have it if you want to

2434
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:11,880
go out and make a trade in the off. Season

2435
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:14,159
that was JUST i don't know That i've seen that

2436
01:50:14,199 --> 01:50:15,600
talk to. IT i thought that was a great move by.

2437
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:17,319
Them they got a plus for the off. Season let's

2438
01:50:17,319 --> 01:50:17,920
move on to the next.

2439
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:24,159
Speaker 3: Team so The pistons, goal As i've said a trillion

2440
01:50:24,199 --> 01:50:27,520
times and written probably two trillion, times basically tripled their

2441
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:31,880
win total year over. Year their goal is to just

2442
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:35,439
continue climbing The east. Hierarchy, basically they got a taste

2443
01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:38,319
of it last Year Kid cunningham. Arrived they are trying to.

2444
01:50:38,359 --> 01:50:41,560
WIN i don't think it's realistic to say that they're

2445
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,760
on like The, Orlando New, York, cleveland whatever, level but

2446
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:46,279
they would like to get. There, OKAY i think we

2447
01:50:46,319 --> 01:50:48,039
need to we need to view. That we'll just talk

2448
01:50:48,079 --> 01:50:51,119
An eastern. Conference the thunder are their own, thing.

2449
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:53,239
Speaker 2: So that's.

2450
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,600
Speaker 3: You we've got to view these moves through that lens

2451
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,119
like they are in the business of needing to at

2452
01:50:58,199 --> 01:51:00,119
least stay as good as they were from a person no,

2453
01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:03,960
standpoint and or get. Better and we. DON'T i don't.

2454
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,960
Know maybe this is a question like how much do

2455
01:51:07,079 --> 01:51:10,920
you consider the likelihood of organic growth from so many

2456
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,920
of their younger players when you're, evaluating like how much

2457
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,760
they needed to do in terms of like bringing in new.

2458
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,560
Bodies you, KNOW i.

2459
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,279
Speaker 2: Just, wait SO i don't GUESS i don't understand that.

2460
01:51:22,319 --> 01:51:22,760
Question so.

2461
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:28,359
Speaker 3: On, Internal, No i'm, asking like how in your evaluating

2462
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:31,960
if you're evaluating the, pistons and let's, Say i'm not

2463
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,840
sure Carousel vert's that big of an upgrade and like

2464
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:39,079
they're gonna Miss Dennis. SHREWDER i don't know That Duncan

2465
01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:42,840
robinson is better than is gonna give you What Malik

2466
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,159
beasley would. Have now that's a wild. Card maybe he'll be,

2467
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:47,720
back who, Knows but like does that matter if you

2468
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:51,960
Think Ron, HOLLAND. Anosr thompson And jalen Duran and And

2469
01:51:52,079 --> 01:51:54,159
jade And ivy are all gonna? Pop like you know

2470
01:51:54,199 --> 01:51:56,720
WHAT i, Mean, like do we need to worry as much, About,

2471
01:51:57,039 --> 01:52:01,000
oh these new guys are downgrades if you think their

2472
01:52:01,039 --> 01:52:02,760
minutes are going to be small, anyway because all these

2473
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:04,479
young guys are just gonna be, awesome you know WHAT i?

2474
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 1: Mean so, YEAH i actually Think karrislvert's an upgrade BECAUSE

2475
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,439
i think he's underrated defensively and he's more of an

2476
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:13,960
off blall threat Than Dennis shugart at this point, specifically,

2477
01:52:14,279 --> 01:52:17,239
Right but to your, point what you're mentioning about the young,

2478
01:52:17,279 --> 01:52:20,479
guys you have to find out, Too and so IT'S

2479
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:21,439
i don't know WHERE.

2480
01:52:21,319 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 2: I land On jade And. Ivy you've always been a

2481
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,319
little bit higher on him THAN i, Have.

2482
01:52:24,359 --> 01:52:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah BUT i understand, that like it's easier to carve

2483
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:28,760
out a major role For jade And ivy if you

2484
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,399
Have Karros lavert instead Of Denis. Shrewder and so even

2485
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:34,159
if karrislivert ends up being a, downgrade you need to

2486
01:52:34,199 --> 01:52:36,079
still find out what You and the fact that we

2487
01:52:36,199 --> 01:52:38,600
haven't heard about it during or An ivy extension yet

2488
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,479
both are extension eligible kind of seems like The pistons

2489
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,359
are still trying to figure out what they. Have but

2490
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:45,079
that's kind of the point and one of the REASONS

2491
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:47,239
i liked their offseason so. Much so there are two

2492
01:52:47,239 --> 01:52:50,399
factors for, me The Malik beasley. Stuff the three, year

2493
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,199
forty two million dollars deal that was on the table

2494
01:52:52,279 --> 01:52:55,359
got kabashed because of the federal gambling, probe and maybe

2495
01:52:55,399 --> 01:52:57,680
he will be back on The pistons on a cheaper.

2496
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:02,039
DEAL i thought they rebounded very nice by getting To Duncan.

2497
01:53:02,119 --> 01:53:04,279
Robinson you Lose Simoni, fontacio but he had a down.

2498
01:53:04,359 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 2: Year wasn't IN. Jb bickerstaff's most important.

2499
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:10,359
Speaker 1: Rotations and what you've done IS i think you've at

2500
01:53:10,399 --> 01:53:13,800
least held the status quo so that you don't get

2501
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:17,520
tempted to marginalize the development of your most important players

2502
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,000
Beyond Kate cunningham of. Course AND i think there was

2503
01:53:20,039 --> 01:53:23,199
a risk for The pistons to look at last, season

2504
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,359
to look at the vacuum that was created in The

2505
01:53:25,399 --> 01:53:28,880
east after that with The halliburton, injury The tatum, injury

2506
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:31,119
what the hell or the heat And bucks doing and

2507
01:53:31,159 --> 01:53:33,640
they could have really went for. It the fact that they,

2508
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,279
DIDN'T i just think was so it's the safer, Call

2509
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,079
but it was just it's the smart call for, me

2510
01:53:39,279 --> 01:53:41,880
because you don't want to do anything that won either

2511
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:44,960
short circuits the development of any of these prospects or

2512
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,520
these young players that you still don't have enough information,

2513
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:50,640
on or two put yourself in a positions, where if

2514
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,199
they were making a trade, grant you have to render

2515
01:53:53,239 --> 01:53:55,680
a verdict on at least one of these like four

2516
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,560
young players In jaye And Ivey Durantasar thompson around hollow

2517
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:02,239
because you're not making major move without including one of.

2518
01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:04,479
Them and the final Thing i'll say, IS i think

2519
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:07,119
we also need to remember that progress isn't. Linear so

2520
01:54:07,159 --> 01:54:09,600
The pissons could win like five fewer. Games but if

2521
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:13,039
if you now know, that, Okay jade And ivy isn't

2522
01:54:13,079 --> 01:54:15,159
part of the long term, plan Or jaye And ivy got,

2523
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:20,600
better like that's as valuable as winning like four or

2524
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:22,680
five more games than they did last season to this.

2525
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 3: Group, OKAY i THINK i asked the question, about like

2526
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:28,479
how do you factor in the young guys Because I'm

2527
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,880
i'm struggling with. IT i do THINK i THINK i

2528
01:54:32,039 --> 01:54:36,039
mostly agree that like this sort of like, yeah They

2529
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:40,159
i'm not. SURE i Think LeVert is an upgrade Over,

2530
01:54:40,399 --> 01:54:43,960
Shrewder and it'll be really hard for someone Even robinson

2531
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,560
to come in and provide the value That beasley did last.

2532
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,600
Year Now beasley this year Versus robinson this, year it

2533
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:52,520
might be, like first of, all they might be, teammates

2534
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:53,880
and second of all it might be not the. Same

2535
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,279
But beasley was so, good so valuable for them last

2536
01:54:57,319 --> 01:55:00,720
season like that just so to, Me i'm trying to

2537
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,680
decide how MUCH i think it matters that they're a

2538
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,560
little worse in terms of who went out and who's coming.

2539
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,199
IN i, think and maybe that doesn't matter at, all

2540
01:55:09,239 --> 01:55:12,199
because like it's close enough and the young guys will

2541
01:55:12,199 --> 01:55:13,920
all get, better and you want those minutes going to

2542
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,479
the young guys, Anyway so like the little bit worse

2543
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:18,760
that they are matters less because those they're just you're

2544
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:20,520
not gonna Play livert as much as you Played, True

2545
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,479
you're not gonna Play robinson as much as you Played.

2546
01:55:22,479 --> 01:55:23,680
Beasley SO i don't.

2547
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:24,359
Speaker 2: KNOW i.

2548
01:55:26,479 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 3: Are you, well let me ask. You this just occurse to.

2549
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:31,520
Me are you surprised we haven't seen much extension talk

2550
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,439
for For Ivan? Duran like do you do you think.

2551
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 1: THE i mean part of it is just like worth

2552
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:38,680
the time of the offseason where when they arrive for trading,

2553
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,119
CAMP i assume maybe we'll hear more about, It BUT

2554
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:44,039
i Don't ivy, specifically how do you make any sort

2555
01:55:44,079 --> 01:55:45,359
of decision on?

2556
01:55:45,479 --> 01:55:46,399
Speaker 2: HIM i just.

2557
01:55:46,439 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 1: Don't after the injury from last season and just, okay

2558
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,000
he had shown that he was improving as as a

2559
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:54,640
like a second side creator and like an off ball,

2560
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:57,920
Shooter but, like is that worth twenty five million dollars

2561
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:00,560
a year based off that's the most sample Size duran is.

2562
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 2: More that's a.

2563
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:05,359
Speaker 1: Little red flaggy for me because IT'S i think he's

2564
01:56:05,399 --> 01:56:07,720
probably like he showed more Than ivy at this, point

2565
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,119
and just like he did improve defensively last, season we

2566
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:11,680
know he played more within himself on.

2567
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:12,279
Speaker 2: Offense for.

2568
01:56:12,319 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 1: Sure you don't have a lot of just other center.

2569
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:17,199
OPS i mean you Have Isaiah stewart And Paul, reid

2570
01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:20,079
But Isaiah stewart's like he didn't play a ton of

2571
01:56:20,079 --> 01:56:22,039
minutes last. Year he was also injured by the end

2572
01:56:22,079 --> 01:56:24,600
of the. Season And Paul reid IS i, mean He's Paul.

2573
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:25,800
Reid he's gonna be A hall Of.

2574
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,439
Speaker 2: Famer but SO i don't, KNOW i don't make too

2575
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:29,760
much of.

2576
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 1: It AND i also like they're a team like those players,

2577
01:56:32,039 --> 01:56:34,760
specifically maybe Not ivy because he was picked so, High

2578
01:56:35,159 --> 01:56:38,359
like would they prefer to work with their cap ples next?

2579
01:56:38,359 --> 01:56:40,720
Summer and they know how restricted free agency? Works so

2580
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:42,199
is that the the route there?

2581
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:42,520
Speaker 2: Now With?

2582
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,279
Speaker 1: IVY i think that he's gonna end up getting like

2583
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:47,600
less than his cap hold would be FOR i THINK

2584
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,199
i can't remember What duran's cap Pold, is but it

2585
01:56:50,239 --> 01:56:56,319
should be. Lower, YEAH i just, like, yeah nineteen nineteen

2586
01:56:56,359 --> 01:56:57,399
million dollars cap holds For.

2587
01:56:57,479 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 2: DURAN i think he's gonna get more than.

2588
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 3: That so and you THINK ivy AND ivy has got

2589
01:57:01,039 --> 01:57:02,920
to be up in the mid, twenties right or something

2590
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:05,279
like what was he the fourth? Pick fifth? PICK i can't.

2591
01:57:05,319 --> 01:57:08,319
Speaker 2: Remember this is going to be more like thirty thirty point.

2592
01:57:08,359 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 3: Three so, yeah he's getting less than, That.

2593
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:14,079
Speaker 2: Ivy it just feels like a lack of information.

2594
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,720
Speaker 3: Thing, Right, yeah if he's anywhere close to, that The

2595
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:20,840
pistons are ecstatic because it means he really he pops all, Right,

2596
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:22,359
WELL i don't, know you want to get some. GRADES

2597
01:57:22,399 --> 01:57:24,279
i think we're a little bit far apart on, this but,

2598
01:57:24,359 --> 01:57:26,359
LIKE i don't think our logic is all that. DIFFERENT

2599
01:57:27,399 --> 01:57:28,880
i went with A, c you went with A. B

2600
01:57:29,479 --> 01:57:32,039
mine is JUST i THINK i ultimately focused more on

2601
01:57:32,119 --> 01:57:36,600
Like i'm not again flashing neon. SIGNS c is not.

2602
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:39,680
BAD c is. Fine and that's just kind of HOW

2603
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:43,760
i view the swap Of LeVert And robinson For beasley

2604
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,720
And shrewd or under the CIRCUMSTANCES.

2605
01:57:46,119 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 1: I might be, COMING i think it was a bee

2606
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:50,800
because Of i'm caking in that there was a temptation

2607
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:52,960
for them to do more and they, didn't WHICH i like.

2608
01:57:53,079 --> 01:57:55,119
That and by the, way the other thing too is

2609
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:56,920
this isn't part of my. Grade but and you kind

2610
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:58,840
of already alluded to, this there's a chance that the

2611
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:02,760
Whole beasley drama ends with them going From shrewder And, Beasley,

2612
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,000
Shrewder beasley And fontechio To, Caros, Lever, Duncan robinson And,

2613
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:09,800
beasley WHICH i think that the that's an.

2614
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,319
Speaker 3: Upgrade, YEAH i mean just it's funny, that, like, yeah

2615
01:58:13,359 --> 01:58:16,520
this might really work out well for The, pistons, ironically

2616
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,600
because they'll just Get beasley for a third of what

2617
01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:21,199
they were gonna have to pay, him and maybe he'll

2618
01:58:21,239 --> 01:58:22,760
be as good as he was last, year although AGAIN

2619
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:24,199
i think that's hard to gonna be hard to.

2620
01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:25,600
Speaker 2: Beat we're onto The Indiana.

2621
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:28,239
Speaker 1: Pacers this is. Rough they do not Have Miles turner.

2622
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:30,560
Anymore we should start. There but they Signed Reck carlisle

2623
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:33,960
to a multi year. Extension they Drafted Taylor peter at

2624
01:58:34,079 --> 01:58:37,279
number fifty. Four they Traded sacramento's two thousand and thirty

2625
01:58:37,359 --> 01:58:40,000
second round pick and two point five million dollars in

2626
01:58:40,039 --> 01:58:42,159
cash to The spurs for number thirty, eight which they

2627
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:44,359
used On Cam. Jones he signed with the second round

2628
01:58:44,399 --> 01:58:47,920
exception team. Option on that fourth, season they Traded portland

2629
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,359
twenty twenty nine second round pick and a twenty and

2630
01:58:50,399 --> 01:58:51,319
thirty one second round.

2631
01:58:51,199 --> 01:58:54,439
Speaker 2: Swap For Jay. Huff, grant do we give the eight

2632
01:58:54,479 --> 01:58:56,560
plus right? Now or we just, like what do we?

2633
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:59,279
Do do we move on from? There what did they also?

2634
01:58:59,359 --> 01:59:01,399
Speaker 1: Do they resign And Isaiah jackson to a three, year

2635
01:59:01,479 --> 01:59:04,399
twenty one million dollar, deal declining scale fully. Guaranteed they

2636
01:59:04,399 --> 01:59:07,079
Resigned James wiseman to a two year minimum deal team

2637
01:59:07,079 --> 01:59:10,520
option on the second, season and probably honestly the most

2638
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,840
mission critical deal thing they did of all was picked

2639
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,640
Up Tony bradley's two point nine million dollar team.

2640
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:19,159
Speaker 2: Option where are you at with this? Team? Grant, well

2641
01:59:19,239 --> 01:59:19,680
what was their?

2642
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:21,199
Speaker 3: Goal? Then let's establish that.

2643
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:25,359
Speaker 1: Tread water in the absence Of Tyre's haliburton right not

2644
01:59:25,439 --> 01:59:27,079
To they kind of know they're not getting back to the.

2645
01:59:27,079 --> 01:59:28,520
Finals and by the, WAY i don't know how you

2646
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,920
they reacquired their own pick for this coming, season but

2647
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:34,439
they did it like while they were still playing, basketball

2648
01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:35,520
even though with some other teams this.

2649
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:37,319
Speaker 2: Offseason how do you did you factor that in at?

2650
01:59:37,359 --> 01:59:40,279
Speaker 3: ALL i, know BUT i did have a morbid thought about,

2651
01:59:40,319 --> 01:59:43,199
that like did they know That Haliburton's achilles was just

2652
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:46,000
like a time? Bomb like did they have like? Inform

2653
01:59:46,279 --> 01:59:49,319
of course, not but, like, boy that worked out well

2654
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:53,079
for a, gap you, know like that's you want the

2655
01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:54,760
player to be, healthy but if he's not going to be,

2656
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,399
healthy having the safety net of that pick is pretty.

2657
01:59:57,399 --> 02:00:04,000
Sweet SO i Guess i'm really just focused On Miles

2658
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:08,600
turner leaving for What Jack fisher reported was a refusal

2659
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:11,359
On indiana's part to pay more than twenty two million a.

2660
02:00:11,439 --> 02:00:14,479
YEAR i Think there've been other numbers out, there But

2661
02:00:14,479 --> 02:00:17,920
i'm very much anchored to that The bucks swoop them

2662
02:00:18,039 --> 02:00:21,520
up for uh what four for one oh, seven one oh.

2663
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:25,039
EIGHT i just think that. SUCKS i think If i'm

2664
02:00:25,039 --> 02:00:29,399
A pacers, Fan i'm really, LIKE i Think Miles turner's

2665
02:00:29,399 --> 02:00:31,720
worth what he got from The bucks. Won, Yep he's

2666
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:34,920
certainly worth more than what The pacers were offering. Him

2667
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:39,520
so it's just it's such a, DISAPPOINTING i don't, know,

2668
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:44,399
cowardly like whatever whatever word you want to use to

2669
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:46,960
let a starting center on A finals team go even

2670
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:49,680
if he sucked in the finals over a couple million

2671
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:51,920
bucks because you don't want to spend. IT i hate.

2672
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,920
It that's, like that's the beginning and end of My

2673
02:00:55,039 --> 02:00:55,960
pacers offseason.

2674
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,359
Speaker 2: Analysis that is why the off season is so.

2675
02:00:58,439 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 1: Bad you hit on it right at the end because

2676
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,479
because they were willing to go TO x and he

2677
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,560
ends up getting a few million bucks. More it wasn't

2678
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:08,199
that they went into the offseason and decided This Tyre's

2679
02:01:08,199 --> 02:01:11,520
haliburton injury is going to force us into a wholesale.

2680
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:15,359
Pivot you your cutoff point was too, low and you

2681
02:01:15,439 --> 02:01:17,319
mentioned how bad he was in the. Finals i've seen

2682
02:01:17,359 --> 02:01:21,039
the shooting numbers When Tyre's halliburton's off the. Court the

2683
02:01:21,199 --> 02:01:23,520
entire reason you bring Back Miles turner is to have

2684
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:25,479
him on the court When Tyre's halliburton is.

2685
02:01:25,479 --> 02:01:28,479
Speaker 2: There and it's. Not it wasn't about this coming.

2686
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:30,720
Speaker 1: Season we could talk about the, tax but then that

2687
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:32,680
gets into well then should did?

2688
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:33,760
Speaker 2: They you Know john.

2689
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,560
Speaker 1: Hollingerd pointed this. Out you, know we went against him

2690
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:37,199
on the Mchal bridges, stuff but he said The pacer

2691
02:01:37,239 --> 02:01:39,840
shouldn't have extended To Andrew nemhard as early as they,

2692
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,039
did because they would have had another year of very

2693
02:01:42,119 --> 02:01:44,239
cost controlled money that would have been theory allowed them

2694
02:01:44,279 --> 02:01:46,479
to Pay Miles turner ducked the tax this.

2695
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:48,279
Speaker 2: Year that's something to consider in.

2696
02:01:48,359 --> 02:01:51,479
Speaker 1: Himsight but, like you just made the, finals and if

2697
02:01:51,479 --> 02:01:53,880
you're trying to keep the idea of because what does

2698
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:57,119
that say to you That Miles turner is? Gone how

2699
02:01:57,119 --> 02:01:59,960
are you planning on getting back to THAT Nba finals

2700
02:02:00,119 --> 02:02:02,840
level with what's left in place at the center, rotation

2701
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:05,039
which is Now Isaiah jackson who's coming off An achilles,

2702
02:02:05,039 --> 02:02:07,680
Injury James, wiseman who's coming off in An achilles.

2703
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 2: INJURY i guess you could.

2704
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,079
Speaker 1: Play i'm intrigued by like The obi top And Pascal

2705
02:02:11,159 --> 02:02:13,600
siakam front court of. It all those minutes with them,

2706
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:17,279
together even Without Tyre's haliburt rushally really good last. SEASON

2707
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:21,560
i don't Like jay huff is. Good you Can't he's

2708
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:23,840
not like you can't play as aggressively on defense with,

2709
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:27,319
him and he's a per minute darling in part because

2710
02:02:27,319 --> 02:02:30,239
he doesn't play a lot of minutes and him being

2711
02:02:30,319 --> 02:02:32,720
billed as, like oh he was in the rotation of

2712
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:35,680
like a Good Memphis grizzlies, team for like a, second

2713
02:02:36,079 --> 02:02:37,920
like by like the latter two thirds of the, season

2714
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:40,199
he basically wasn't in the. Rotation i'm not, Saying, look the,

2715
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:43,079
trade The Jay huff trade was actually. Good he's not

2716
02:02:43,159 --> 02:02:46,720
A Miles turner. Replacement he's like a facsimile of a

2717
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:49,640
fac simile of a fac simile Of Miles. Turner and

2718
02:02:50,359 --> 02:02:52,640
he's twenty, seven SO i don't, know or twenty Eight.

2719
02:02:52,840 --> 02:02:54,560
Tony he's actually correct me WHAT i called him twenty

2720
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:57,000
seven the other. DAY i don't know what the upside

2721
02:02:57,039 --> 02:02:58,920
is there, again a good, trade you know, what it

2722
02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:01,079
would have looked even better he's Still Miles turner on

2723
02:03:01,119 --> 02:03:03,399
the roster because now you Have Miles turner and another

2724
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:07,760
cost controlled floor spacing rint protecting center, potentially like Imagine

2725
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:11,000
Jay huff is like rather than the idea of, well

2726
02:03:11,039 --> 02:03:13,520
should he start As Miles turner's?

2727
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 2: Backup m?

2728
02:03:15,479 --> 02:03:18,239
Speaker 3: Weird? RIGHT i, mean we, can we can Like Jay

2729
02:03:18,319 --> 02:03:22,319
huff and think he's an interesting player and still but

2730
02:03:22,319 --> 02:03:26,119
but to say, that, like, WELL i don't know WHAT i.

2731
02:03:26,399 --> 02:03:29,560
CAN i think there are people that would Say Jay

2732
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:33,720
huff can be eighty five percent eighty percent of What

2733
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:37,359
Miles turner was in the same size role and he's

2734
02:03:37,399 --> 02:03:40,560
a fraz he's what tenth of the? Cost he can't do?

2735
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:41,279
Speaker 2: THAT i. WON'T i.

2736
02:03:41,319 --> 02:03:43,159
Speaker 3: Will and if you think he can do, that point

2737
02:03:43,319 --> 02:03:45,720
point to. Me point out to, me like what In

2738
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:49,680
Jay huff's history suggests that that is? Possible LIKE i,

2739
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,359
AGAIN i Like. JAY i think he's an interesting. PLAYER

2740
02:03:52,399 --> 02:03:53,960
i think he's he has the potential to be a

2741
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:57,000
really good. Backup he's just never been more than. That

2742
02:03:57,079 --> 02:04:00,479
and it's not like he's twenty. Two SO i just like,

2743
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:04,159
again the big picture is just like you can't lose

2744
02:04:04,199 --> 02:04:08,359
a starter on a finals team who's still good and

2745
02:04:08,479 --> 02:04:12,680
is almost unique in terms of skill, set, right like

2746
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:15,359
like a skeleton key of a player for your offense

2747
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:18,239
over a couple of million dollars a year like. THAT

2748
02:04:18,359 --> 02:04:21,279
i just you're gonna have to really persuade me how

2749
02:04:21,279 --> 02:04:22,479
that's anything other than a just.

2750
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:25,840
Speaker 1: Disaster and by the, way the two things miles like

2751
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:28,640
there are now That Brook lopez is just like super.

2752
02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:30,840
Speaker 2: Old how many players.

2753
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:38,439
Speaker 1: That's the floor there's christ might be remiss IF i

2754
02:04:38,439 --> 02:04:38,880
didn't mag.

2755
02:04:38,920 --> 02:04:44,640
Speaker 3: It Guinn post should have said him. First it's been too.

2756
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:48,359
Long Chris, Bouche chris obviously do op. Breath if we're

2757
02:04:48,359 --> 02:04:52,399
gonna run through the, Pocah i'm just gonna Throw Young

2758
02:04:52,439 --> 02:04:52,920
hanson in.

2759
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:53,600
Speaker 2: There young hands.

2760
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:57,199
Speaker 1: Home so but like that's it after the so my other,

2761
02:04:57,279 --> 02:04:59,760
thing it's more of a question THAT i did in

2762
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:03,039
fact my. Grade would you have been more persuaded by

2763
02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:06,319
this had The pacers leaned into a gap year of

2764
02:05:06,399 --> 02:05:09,119
we're gonna maximize the volt like right, now they don't

2765
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:10,880
need anything else to happen in another injury to where

2766
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,199
it looked like they were just. TELEGRAMED i don't know

2767
02:05:13,239 --> 02:05:14,439
what that would have looked. Like i'm not saying they

2768
02:05:14,439 --> 02:05:16,880
should have Traded, siakam but where we've, Been, oh they're

2769
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:19,159
clearly just trying to be bad next. Year would that

2770
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:21,640
have made The Miles turner decision look any?

2771
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:26,000
Speaker 3: BETTER i, mean if it's, WELL i guess if it

2772
02:05:26,079 --> 02:05:29,279
looked like more of a concerted plan to like we

2773
02:05:29,359 --> 02:05:32,039
got a we have a, plan we're gonna retool really

2774
02:05:32,119 --> 02:05:34,520
hard in this, way but like they have too many

2775
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,680
good players to like really pull that, off because you're

2776
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:38,720
gonna have to get rid of Nies smith And nemhart and, like,

2777
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,279
Yeah siakam And top and it's just like by the, way,

2778
02:05:41,319 --> 02:05:46,079
though to to The nemhart, THING i still just think

2779
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:47,880
that's a great deal for. HIM i don't care that

2780
02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:49,399
it made it so you didn't have the too many

2781
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:52,319
like if you needed to duck the tax trade topping.

2782
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:55,560
Trade matherin, like there's other ways to do, this and

2783
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:57,680
Em hart is on a great. Deal Like i've kind

2784
02:05:57,680 --> 02:05:58,079
of done.

2785
02:05:58,119 --> 02:05:59,960
Speaker 1: Discussing, YEAH i didn't meaned to BE i didn't mean

2786
02:06:00,079 --> 02:06:01,319
to be smirch his value as a.

2787
02:06:01,359 --> 02:06:02,439
Speaker 2: Player i'm just, saying.

2788
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:04,119
Speaker 3: No, NO i know what it's. It it's Just i'm

2789
02:06:04,119 --> 02:06:06,039
not persuaded By hollander on that.

2790
02:06:06,079 --> 02:06:09,199
Speaker 2: One i'll say, There, LOOK i like The Rick carlisle.

2791
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:10,880
Speaker 1: Extension he has done great, things and we Like Jay,

2792
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,840
huff but we're both in agreement that this offseason for The,

2793
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:16,520
pacers even knowing what their goals, are it's an f

2794
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:18,960
and Maybe Isaiah jackson as a breakout year coming off an.

2795
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:20,920
ACHILLES i Like Isaiah, jackson but a lot of the

2796
02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:24,079
stuff he does seems like it's predicated on having not

2797
02:06:24,199 --> 02:06:24,560
torn his.

2798
02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 2: Achilles but, yep we.

2799
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:29,800
Speaker 1: Will say our final, team, right last, team The Milwaukee.

2800
02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:32,039
Bucks you want to take us through their, transactions, sir.

2801
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:35,000
Speaker 3: Sure Drafted Boglio markovich at number forty. Seven that's the

2802
02:06:35,079 --> 02:06:37,000
Name i've not said. BEFORE i THINK i got it.

2803
02:06:37,079 --> 02:06:40,880
Right Signed John horst to a multi year. Extension re

2804
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,720
Signed Bobby portis three, years forty three point six million.

2805
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:47,399
Dollars the player option is twenty twenty seven to twenty

2806
02:06:47,399 --> 02:06:51,279
eight is a player. Option waved and stretched One Damian

2807
02:06:51,359 --> 02:06:54,720
lillard two, years one hundred and sixteen million dollars. Left

2808
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:57,119
they will Pay Damian lillard twenty two and a half

2809
02:06:57,159 --> 02:07:00,560
million every year until twenty nine to. Thirty they Traded

2810
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:04,159
Pat coninson For Vasilia michic bottom, out then waved and.

2811
02:07:04,199 --> 02:07:07,399
Stretched that's a slightly smaller six hundred and sixty seven

2812
02:07:07,439 --> 02:07:10,279
grand every year through twenty seven to twenty. Eight that's

2813
02:07:10,279 --> 02:07:11,720
the kind of wave and stretch you want to, do

2814
02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:15,039
if you if you can pick and. Choose they Signed Miles.

2815
02:07:15,079 --> 02:07:17,720
Turner spent some time talking about him a moment. Ago four,

2816
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:19,960
years one hundred and eight point nine million dollars twenty

2817
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:21,520
eight twenty nine is a player. Option he's got a

2818
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:25,600
fifteen percent trade. Kicker several minimums to get through. Here oh,

2819
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:28,079
no not quite. Yet Kevin Porter junior got a two,

2820
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:29,920
year ten and a half million dollar, deal player option

2821
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:32,600
on the second. Year Gary Trent junior two years seven

2822
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:36,199
point six, million also player option second, Year Torrian prince

2823
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:39,319
two year seven point One Jericho sims two years player

2824
02:07:39,319 --> 02:07:40,640
options on the end of both of those is a

2825
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:43,199
player option palooza, Here Gary harris two years seven and

2826
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:46,199
a half, million player, Option Ryan rollins back three, years

2827
02:07:46,199 --> 02:07:49,279
twelve million. Dollars that's a flat four per year player.

2828
02:07:49,319 --> 02:07:54,279
Option last year that, Deal Cole anthony bounced around a

2829
02:07:54,319 --> 02:07:58,239
little bit From orlando To memphis for five, seconds waved.

2830
02:07:58,239 --> 02:08:01,760
There he got a one year. Minimum kind of sneaky like,

2831
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:05,039
that as, like why not for The? Bucks AND i

2832
02:08:05,079 --> 02:08:09,239
know you're holding your. Breath Uh thenosis back on a

2833
02:08:09,239 --> 02:08:11,680
one year minimum And Chris livingston the.

2834
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:13,800
Speaker 1: Signal That giannis was. Staying AND i think That's i'm

2835
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,760
gonna break. In the question is what were The bucks

2836
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:17,760
trying to? Do and the answer was keeping on the ko.

2837
02:08:18,399 --> 02:08:20,880
Buy and here's the, thing BECAUSE i think we're gonna

2838
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:23,760
run into a lot of people calling hypocrisy when we

2839
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,760
talk about what The suns did With Bradley beal versus

2840
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,800
The bucks With Damian. Lillard your end goal was to

2841
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:31,039
buy another year With, giannis so that here's what you

2842
02:08:31,079 --> 02:08:32,920
can do is hope that you're either good enough for,

2843
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:36,079
him just want to stay or next. Summer as of right,

2844
02:08:36,119 --> 02:08:38,560
now they'll have the ability to trade three first round.

2845
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:41,760
Picks Kyle kuzma will be an expiring. Contract you have,

2846
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,880
him you Have Miles. Turner they were also were creative

2847
02:08:45,399 --> 02:08:48,560
with The i'm looking more at The Gary Trent junior,

2848
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:50,600
thing like now you have his early bird rights next

2849
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:51,560
summer if you need.

2850
02:08:51,640 --> 02:08:53,079
Speaker 2: Him there's a ton of flexibility.

2851
02:08:53,079 --> 02:08:56,520
Speaker 1: Here but the main thing, is, yeah THERE'S i don't

2852
02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:57,760
trust like the perimeter depth.

2853
02:08:57,760 --> 02:08:59,079
Speaker 2: Here it feels like they need another.

2854
02:08:59,279 --> 02:09:01,840
Speaker 1: CREATOR i don't trust To Cole anthony Or Kevin Porter

2855
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:05,800
junior in that. Role but you bought yourself another year With,

2856
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:08,920
giannis And i'm. Sorry you can set the twenty two

2857
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,600
and a half million dollars on fire for a half,

2858
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:13,279
Decade like regardless of what you, did Was Damian lower

2859
02:09:13,319 --> 02:09:16,239
was gonna give you a zero at fifty plus million per.

2860
02:09:16,359 --> 02:09:20,479
Year you now turn that Into Miles turner other. Flexibility

2861
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:23,800
AND i also just twenty two and a half, Million

2862
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:25,640
like that's a lot of dead. Money i'm not saying

2863
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:29,439
it's not if you Trade, giannis how long is it

2864
02:09:29,479 --> 02:09:31,079
gonna take for you to be in a position to

2865
02:09:31,079 --> 02:09:33,760
where that dead money is gonna bother. You you're already ticking

2866
02:09:34,199 --> 02:09:37,159
one year off because of this upcoming. Season if you

2867
02:09:37,239 --> 02:09:40,760
Trade giannis next, summer like you're not gonna be really

2868
02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:42,319
good and in a position to where you need that

2869
02:09:42,359 --> 02:09:45,439
flexibility for at least four years, anyway, Probably.

2870
02:09:45,399 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 3: So it sounds like you're you're answering, what to me

2871
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:51,039
is the most interesting question, here which.

2872
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:52,960
Speaker 2: Is why Did Bobby portis get a player? OPTION i don't.

2873
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:55,640
Speaker 3: Know, well that's a good deal For Bobby, porters which

2874
02:09:55,680 --> 02:10:02,479
is the goal we agree was Keep, Jannis and the

2875
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:05,279
question to me that's most interesting is is that the

2876
02:10:05,399 --> 02:10:09,000
right goal for this. Team i've gone back and forth

2877
02:10:09,039 --> 02:10:12,359
because there's a cold side of the analysis here that

2878
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:16,439
is absolutely Not you're not contending ever again because of

2879
02:10:16,479 --> 02:10:19,359
all you because that's the cost of contending for a

2880
02:10:19,399 --> 02:10:21,680
long time and winning a title with a player Like

2881
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:24,800
gianness is you can't do it. Forever so the cold

2882
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:27,800
side is to say this is. Done we could have

2883
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:31,000
some decent, seasons we're never going to win another title

2884
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:34,800
Before jannis gets way past his. Prime so we should

2885
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:38,279
trade him and we should start all. Over like that's

2886
02:10:38,319 --> 02:10:40,359
not just like a straw man. ARGUMENT i Think i've

2887
02:10:40,359 --> 02:10:42,319
probably made that. ARGUMENT i think plenty of people have

2888
02:10:42,359 --> 02:10:45,319
looked at the situation and, said, like that's just if

2889
02:10:45,359 --> 02:10:47,319
you want to be realistic about, this this is the

2890
02:10:47,319 --> 02:10:51,000
way forward For, Milwaukee like, you what are you? DOING

2891
02:10:52,159 --> 02:10:54,079
i Think i've come around to, like if you have

2892
02:10:54,119 --> 02:10:56,359
a player as great As yiannis and he's brought you

2893
02:10:56,399 --> 02:10:59,319
a title and he still gives a, shit which he clearly,

2894
02:10:59,359 --> 02:11:02,279
does and he's still close enough to being Like Apex

2895
02:11:02,319 --> 02:11:05,239
giannis that, LIKE i don't, know maybe you make a conference,

2896
02:11:05,239 --> 02:11:08,960
finals who, Knows, LIKE i think the right decision to

2897
02:11:09,039 --> 02:11:11,439
me is to just do what it takes to keep.

2898
02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:13,920
Him do You it seems like you agree with, that

2899
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:15,279
like you just gotta.

2900
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:16,920
Speaker 2: AND i think you want to know. Why to, me

2901
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:17,479
it's not even a.

2902
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:19,760
Speaker 1: Question you don't control your own first round pick again

2903
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:22,279
until twenty thirty? One what is that unless you were

2904
02:11:22,279 --> 02:11:24,319
gonna get your picks, back which that would have been

2905
02:11:24,359 --> 02:11:28,239
super complicated because of how many teams own them Trading

2906
02:11:28,359 --> 02:11:30,680
like what how valuable would the draft? Deck would he

2907
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:32,640
need to? Be, no you might have been compelled to

2908
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:35,760
trade him for like a package built around immedia, talent

2909
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:39,159
which is always just a risky gambit when you're moving.

2910
02:11:39,239 --> 02:11:43,640
Speaker 3: Your warriors or Whoever miami and you get every pick they,

2911
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:46,000
have and that's like pretty, good but like we always talk,

2912
02:11:46,039 --> 02:11:48,720
about like you really just want your own picks back

2913
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:51,800
in this. SITUATION i and LIKE i would say, Too

2914
02:11:52,319 --> 02:11:55,439
giannis is one of like what would you, say like

2915
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:59,439
four or five guys where the Argument i'm making that

2916
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:01,920
you just you just keep him and you deal with,

2917
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:04,920
it like is HOW i. FEEL i think the vast

2918
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:08,159
majority of even like ALL nba, GUYS i just, think

2919
02:12:08,279 --> 02:12:11,039
like you you, do just start. Over but he's in

2920
02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:14,760
that rarefied air of like brought a title, one MVP's

2921
02:12:15,279 --> 02:12:17,680
wants to be. There you're not a big market, team

2922
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:19,520
like all the all the factors are, like, yeah he's

2923
02:12:19,560 --> 02:12:22,000
an exception to the rule that you do just keep

2924
02:12:22,039 --> 02:12:25,119
throwing good money after bad because like you're never gonna

2925
02:12:25,159 --> 02:12:27,880
have it A yannis, again so like you just need

2926
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:32,159
To it's it's it's the. Exception so to that, end

2927
02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:34,800
like pretty good, offseason like they did what they could

2928
02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:35,319
with what they.

2929
02:12:35,399 --> 02:12:37,479
Speaker 1: HAD i think what you do have to, factor and

2930
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:39,840
is the opportunity cost and also just the risk. Involved

2931
02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:41,399
it's not AN a plus move what they.

2932
02:12:41,399 --> 02:12:43,760
Speaker 2: Did they get AN a for creativity or they get

2933
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:44,159
AN a for.

2934
02:12:44,279 --> 02:12:47,680
Speaker 3: Guts that's a Sourcefulness like they did what they.

2935
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:50,199
Speaker 1: Could but like with the, flexibility why was there not

2936
02:12:50,199 --> 02:12:51,880
more of an emphasis on getting like a tried and

2937
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:55,159
true ball handler in? HERE i Think Miles, turner like

2938
02:12:55,199 --> 02:12:57,399
you also did lose Brook lopez, here and so it's

2939
02:12:57,439 --> 02:12:59,319
just Like miles turns an, Upgrade he's gonna be more

2940
02:12:59,319 --> 02:13:01,079
athletic than Brook. LOPEZ i think you could do some

2941
02:13:01,079 --> 02:13:04,920
more aggressive things defensively with, him for, sure but Not

2942
02:13:05,079 --> 02:13:07,239
i'm not everything wasn't a home. Run there's a risk.

2943
02:13:07,319 --> 02:13:09,239
Involved BUT i, mean, like just to get to the grades,

2944
02:13:09,279 --> 02:13:11,840
HERE i went with A. B you went with A

2945
02:13:11,880 --> 02:13:14,920
c plus an above average off season when you waved

2946
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:17,159
and stretched the one hundred and sixty million dollars left

2947
02:13:17,159 --> 02:13:19,279
On Damien Li like that's an. Accomplishment and it's more

2948
02:13:19,319 --> 02:13:22,840
so LIKE i could easily see them us doing a

2949
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:25,920
regrade and looking back saying If giannis is still, here

2950
02:13:26,079 --> 02:13:28,279
re signs like we didn't give this a high enough.

2951
02:13:28,279 --> 02:13:31,039
GRADE i don't know how good they're gonna be in

2952
02:13:31,079 --> 02:13:33,479
the context of The Eastern. CONFERENCE i worry about the,

2953
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:34,920
offense LIKE i think they have a chance to be

2954
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:38,000
really good. Defensively The Ryan robins deal excellent piece of

2955
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,600
business for. Them maybe you get enough, shooting like Having

2956
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:43,039
Gary Tran junior, There but like the fact That Kyle

2957
02:13:43,159 --> 02:13:46,399
kuzma might be their second option Or Kevin Porter junior

2958
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:48,960
might be their SECOND i don't feel great about. It

2959
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:51,079
and if you were gonna go to the lengths that

2960
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:54,600
you did to to Keep, giannest but like that money

2961
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:56,079
that you have on your books now from The Damian

2962
02:13:56,079 --> 02:13:58,159
lillard wave and, stretch you would have liked to have

2963
02:13:58,159 --> 02:14:01,119
seen them address that a little more. Capably but what

2964
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:03,720
they did do now they're all player, options but they're

2965
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:04,319
all cheap.

2966
02:14:04,199 --> 02:14:05,239
Speaker 2: Enough that you could get rid of.

2967
02:14:05,239 --> 02:14:09,159
Speaker 1: Them probably you're super flexible next offseason as. Well and

2968
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:12,600
So turner is one Of we went through the definitive, list,

2969
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:15,680
which like the real list Was, Turner porzeingis And Chris

2970
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:17,920
bouchet were the only bigs that are like perfect fits

2971
02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:20,640
next To. Gianni's you got one of those three because Like,

2972
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:24,079
Brook lopez is no longer perfect in that regards.

2973
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:26,479
Speaker 3: He's a backup now probably, right LIKE i, mean or even.

2974
02:14:26,319 --> 02:14:27,720
Speaker 1: If he's, not even you want to add him to the,

2975
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:30,159
list there's still like only five guys on it at.

2976
02:14:30,199 --> 02:14:33,720
Most so and by the, way The turner deal like

2977
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:36,479
four for one, hour, sure like that's not even a bad.

2978
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:37,840
Deal it's not, like oh they had to give him

2979
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:38,880
thirty million dollars a.

2980
02:14:38,920 --> 02:14:42,720
Speaker 3: Year, well because when you say, like, well what what's

2981
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:44,680
a comp for, him it's like there's two in the

2982
02:14:44,760 --> 02:14:48,159
league and and one of printer and that's. It they're

2983
02:14:48,279 --> 02:14:50,840
just just like, yeah so, again, YEAH i think you

2984
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:54,039
said it right up, front like getting above average grades

2985
02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:56,079
in a season in an off season where you just

2986
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:59,399
burned one hundred and sixteen million dollars and basically like

2987
02:14:59,800 --> 02:15:03,920
how not quite a starter's salary and dead money every

2988
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:08,159
year for the next Five like The, bucks they came

2989
02:15:08,199 --> 02:15:10,439
out of this as well as you could given what

2990
02:15:10,479 --> 02:15:12,920
they had available resource. Wise do you have anything?

2991
02:15:12,920 --> 02:15:14,159
Speaker 2: Else are you ready to take us out of?

2992
02:15:14,199 --> 02:15:17,159
Speaker 3: HERE i think that's more than enough from under three,

2993
02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:20,000
hours look at. US i don't know what last year,

2994
02:15:20,119 --> 02:15:20,880
was it was probably pretty.

2995
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:23,039
Speaker 2: Close one of ours was three. HOURS i think it

2996
02:15:23,119 --> 02:15:24,319
might have been The west that's.

2997
02:15:24,439 --> 02:15:27,520
Speaker 3: Stupid, yeah we'll go for when we do The. West,

2998
02:15:28,399 --> 02:15:31,640
yeah not. Enough thanks everybody for, listening for Watching Rate.

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02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:50,159
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02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:58,880
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Speaker 1: Enough competition gonna be starting probably In, october so join

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the discord for.

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Speaker 3: That where's the link for That dan YouTube and podcast? Description?

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THERE i remember to say.

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Speaker 2: THAT i hype hype. IT i no longer FAVORITE i hype.

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Speaker 3: It can we hype things just in? General hype The

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west grades when we do. THOSE i guess in a

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week or so those are coming up and we will

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go for hours on. Those, yeah that's gonna do. It thanks,

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Everybody thank You dan for putting together beautiful slides uh

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and helping me read. Things Shouts Franklin Keen, Apologies Jared

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