WEBVTT

1
00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:33.479
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules.

2
00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:36.799
<v Speaker 2>And I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case.

3
00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:43.640
<v Speaker 3>April fifteenth, two thousand and five, Belfont, Pennsylvania. After taking

4
00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:45.960
<v Speaker 3>the day off work and leaving on a road trip,

5
00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.840
<v Speaker 3>fifty nine year old Center County District Attorney Ray Greekar

6
00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:54.320
<v Speaker 3>fails to return home and is reported missing. The following day,

7
00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.679
<v Speaker 3>rais abandoned car is discovered sixty miles away in the

8
00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.560
<v Speaker 3>town of Louisbourg, parked across the street from the antique

9
00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:04.239
<v Speaker 3>small Over the course of the next several months, Ray's

10
00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.480
<v Speaker 3>county issued work laptop and its hard drive are discovered

11
00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.280
<v Speaker 3>on separate occasions in the nearby Susquehanna River, but the

12
00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.719
<v Speaker 3>hard drive is too damaged to recover any data. A

13
00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.319
<v Speaker 3>number of theories are pushed forward, including the possibilities that

14
00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Ray completed suicide, disappeared voluntarily, or was the victim of

15
00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.239
<v Speaker 3>foul play, but there is no conclusive evidence to point

16
00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.000
<v Speaker 3>to any of these theories, and no trace of Ray

17
00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:31.159
<v Speaker 3>is ever found after that.

18
00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:34.840
<v Speaker 1>The path went Chile. So today we're going to start

19
00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.760
<v Speaker 1>tackling one of the most heavily discussed missing persons cases

20
00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:40.719
<v Speaker 1>of the modern era, the two thousand and five disappearance

21
00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.920
<v Speaker 1>of Ray Greecar. We've recently passed the cases twenty year anniversary,

22
00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's not hard to figure out why it captured

23
00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the public's attention, as this is a rare example of

24
00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.760
<v Speaker 1>a prominent law enforcement official becoming the center of their

25
00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.879
<v Speaker 1>own unsolved mystery. For two decades, Ray Greecar had been

26
00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the District Attorney of Center County and devoted his life

27
00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to put in murderers, rapists, and other vicious criminals behind bars.

28
00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:06.159
<v Speaker 1>But less than eight months before he was scheduled to retire,

29
00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Ray vanished without a trace. On the day he disappeared,

30
00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Ray decided to play hooky from work and take a

31
00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.759
<v Speaker 1>road trip, but he never returned home, and the following day,

32
00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:19.039
<v Speaker 1>his abandoned Mini Cooper was discovered sixty miles away in

33
00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:21.680
<v Speaker 1>a parking lot across the street from an antique s

34
00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.800
<v Speaker 1>mall in the town of Louisbourg. Now, since Ray had

35
00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.879
<v Speaker 1>been to this particular antique small before taking a trip

36
00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.520
<v Speaker 1>to Louisbourg wasn't all that unusual, but there were a

37
00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.199
<v Speaker 1>number of odd clues surrounding his disappearance. Even though Ray

38
00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.759
<v Speaker 1>detested smoking cigarette, ash was found inside his car, and

39
00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:40.759
<v Speaker 1>there would be reported sightings of him in Louisbourg alongside

40
00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:44.280
<v Speaker 1>a woman who has never been identified. Ray's work laptop

41
00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.680
<v Speaker 1>and its hard drive were discovered in the nearby Susquehanna River,

42
00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:51.400
<v Speaker 1>leading to speculation that had contained information which Ray or

43
00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.680
<v Speaker 1>someone else did not want to be uncovered. In fact,

44
00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.039
<v Speaker 1>this would lead to conspiracy theories that Ray's disappearance might

45
00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.759
<v Speaker 1>be connected to the notorious Pens State child sex abuse scandal,

46
00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:05.439
<v Speaker 1>which became a major story six years later. But it's

47
00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.080
<v Speaker 1>also possible that even though his body was never found,

48
00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.199
<v Speaker 1>Ray may have been feeling suicidal and decided to end

49
00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.240
<v Speaker 1>his own life by jumping into the Susquehanna River, as

50
00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.680
<v Speaker 1>he lost his older brother under similar circumstances years earlier.

51
00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Even though this is a very high profile missing person's

52
00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.240
<v Speaker 1>case with a number of different possible scenarios, there's no

53
00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.199
<v Speaker 1>conclusive evidence which points to any of them, and since

54
00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.520
<v Speaker 1>we're going to have no shortage of theories to discuss,

55
00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.439
<v Speaker 1>this will be a special three part series of episodes

56
00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:33.639
<v Speaker 1>we'll bring in.

57
00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:34.800
<v Speaker 4>On, Robin, Bring it on.

58
00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Here's what is the first thing that hit me with

59
00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.960
<v Speaker 2>this is at any time you have a judge or

60
00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.280
<v Speaker 2>a prosecutor, or anyone who's involved in the justice system

61
00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and they go missing or there's evidence of foul play

62
00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:52.599
<v Speaker 2>or here you know, potential suicide as well. But it

63
00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.599
<v Speaker 2>makes me question what cases they've been involved in. You

64
00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.800
<v Speaker 2>mentioned the Penn State child sex abuse scandal, but there's

65
00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:03.520
<v Speaker 2>also a lot of other criminals that this man prosecuted

66
00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.520
<v Speaker 2>right and made sure were put behind bars, And they

67
00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.719
<v Speaker 2>all have associates, they all have families, they all have

68
00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.719
<v Speaker 2>access to communicate with the people on the outside. And

69
00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.840
<v Speaker 2>so you've seen case after case around the country where

70
00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.879
<v Speaker 2>you'll have a judge killed in their home or a

71
00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:22.079
<v Speaker 2>prosecutor killed on their way to work. And so my

72
00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:25.560
<v Speaker 2>first thought would be someone related to one of his cases.

73
00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.560
<v Speaker 2>The Penn State child sex abuse scandal was one of

74
00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the most horrific cases, and so and a lot of

75
00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.959
<v Speaker 2>energy and emotions around that. So very potential. But it's

76
00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.639
<v Speaker 2>also when you named that there was cigarettes and ash

77
00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:43.759
<v Speaker 2>everywhere in his car, and that he was known to

78
00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:49.480
<v Speaker 2>despise smoking. That rules out a friend an associate, because

79
00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.240
<v Speaker 2>if I invite you to go on a ride with

80
00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.000
<v Speaker 2>me and you're a smoker. You are not smoking in

81
00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.720
<v Speaker 2>my car. If I'm having an intimate relationship with you,

82
00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.560
<v Speaker 2>you are not smoking in my car. So if I

83
00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.759
<v Speaker 2>detest smoking, which I do, right, I don't like to

84
00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.959
<v Speaker 2>smell it or be around it. The last place I'm

85
00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:07.639
<v Speaker 2>going to allow someone I know to smoke is in

86
00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:11.399
<v Speaker 2>my car, which means it wasn't him, and it likely

87
00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.800
<v Speaker 2>was not a buddy or at least a buddy who

88
00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.639
<v Speaker 2>was smoking while he was alive in the car with him.

89
00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:22.120
<v Speaker 2>So I am leaning more towards someone who hunted him

90
00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.160
<v Speaker 2>down and then when they moved his vehicle and things

91
00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.800
<v Speaker 2>like that, they had a cigarette and they were using

92
00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:31.000
<v Speaker 2>his car the way they wanted to. But fascinating. I

93
00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.600
<v Speaker 2>cannot wait to learn more. My gut is saying someone

94
00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:35.519
<v Speaker 2>tied to one of his cases, whether it's the Penn

95
00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.680
<v Speaker 2>State one or not, who knows, Just out.

96
00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Of curiosity, Ash, have you heard of this case before,

97
00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:43.079
<v Speaker 1>because it is a pretty high profile one which has

98
00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:45.439
<v Speaker 1>been heavily discussed the past twenty years. Are you just

99
00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:46.680
<v Speaker 1>going and completely blind?

100
00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:49.560
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know yet, to be honest.

101
00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.519
<v Speaker 2>When you described it, I'm like, well, there's there are

102
00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of high profile ones where prosecutors are killed.

103
00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.199
<v Speaker 2>So I'll have to wait to know if this is

104
00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:59.879
<v Speaker 2>a case I know exactly. But when you mentioned Pinn.

105
00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:01.519
<v Speaker 4>State with it, I'm like, do I know this case?

106
00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:02.959
<v Speaker 4>So I don't know, Robin.

107
00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:05.000
<v Speaker 2>You got to tell me more and then I'll chime

108
00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:06.399
<v Speaker 2>in if I do remember, and I'll be like, oh,

109
00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.439
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, I've heard of this one right now,

110
00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:09.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm blind.

111
00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Did you watch the TV show Disappeared?

112
00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I don't know that either, guys, my

113
00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:15.240
<v Speaker 4>brain doesn't work.

114
00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:19.279
<v Speaker 3>It was a really prominent missing person show where they

115
00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:22.120
<v Speaker 3>featured a lot of the most famous cases, including Maura

116
00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Murray's case, and this is one of the cases that

117
00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.240
<v Speaker 3>was featured on that show, and it was the first

118
00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:28.839
<v Speaker 3>time that I was introduced to the case.

119
00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't think so, because I feel like I

120
00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.519
<v Speaker 2>would have remembered Moro's case on that and so I

121
00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:34.959
<v Speaker 2>don't believe I've watched that one either.

122
00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, not to worry, we got lots of details to

123
00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.040
<v Speaker 1>discuss about this particular so that we can all figure

124
00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:42.399
<v Speaker 1>this out.

125
00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Our story begins in Center County, Pennsylvania in two thousand

126
00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.600
<v Speaker 3>and five, and our central figure is fifty nine year

127
00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.839
<v Speaker 3>Old Ray Gricar. Originally born in the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio,

128
00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Rays spent the past four decades working in the legal field,

129
00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.560
<v Speaker 3>as after earning a jurist doctor at Case Western Reserve

130
00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:05.199
<v Speaker 3>University School of Law, he launched his career by working

131
00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.680
<v Speaker 3>as a prosecutor in Cuyahoga County. Ray married his first wife,

132
00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Barbara Gray, in nineteen sixty nine, and they would adopt

133
00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.639
<v Speaker 3>their only child, a baby girl named Laura, nine years later.

134
00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.439
<v Speaker 3>Shortly thereafter, Barbara was offered a new job at Pennsylvania

135
00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.959
<v Speaker 3>State University aka Penn State, so the family relocated to

136
00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.240
<v Speaker 3>State College in nineteen eighty and Ray decided to put

137
00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.920
<v Speaker 3>his legal career on hold so he could become a

138
00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.439
<v Speaker 3>stay at home dad and raise Laura. But he eventually

139
00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:38.600
<v Speaker 3>caught the attention of the Center County District Attorney, who

140
00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:42.040
<v Speaker 3>offered Ray a job as an assistant prosecutor and compelled

141
00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.000
<v Speaker 3>him to return to work. By nineteen eighty five, the

142
00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.879
<v Speaker 3>position of Center County District Attorney became open, so Ray

143
00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.040
<v Speaker 3>decided to make his own run for it and wound

144
00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.079
<v Speaker 3>up winning the election. Over the course of the next

145
00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.639
<v Speaker 3>two decades, Ray would prosecute a number of cases and

146
00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.199
<v Speaker 3>was re elected as district attorney four times times. He

147
00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.319
<v Speaker 3>was known for being a very private and enigmatic person

148
00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.600
<v Speaker 3>who always kept a low profile, and unlike many others

149
00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.560
<v Speaker 3>in his field, Ray did not have any higher political

150
00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.720
<v Speaker 3>aspirations to become a judge or attorney general. However, he

151
00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.439
<v Speaker 3>did have a reputation for being a very hard working

152
00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:21.120
<v Speaker 3>and dedicated prosecutor who truly cared for the victims in

153
00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:24.879
<v Speaker 3>the cases he took on. During his run as District Attorney,

154
00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Ray's personal life would undergo a number of changes as

155
00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.160
<v Speaker 3>he got divorced from his first wife, Barbara, in nineteen

156
00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.039
<v Speaker 3>ninety one. Five years later, Ray got remarried to another

157
00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.679
<v Speaker 3>woman named Emma Lang, but their relationship was described as

158
00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.679
<v Speaker 3>a fairly tumultuous one and their marriage would end in

159
00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.080
<v Speaker 3>divorce in two thousand and one. But the following year,

160
00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Ray began a relationship with Patty Fornicola, who worked as

161
00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.039
<v Speaker 3>a clerk and victim's rights advocate in the Center County

162
00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:55.679
<v Speaker 3>District Attorney's office. Since Patty had also gone through a

163
00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:58.320
<v Speaker 3>prior divorce, she and Ray were not in a hurry

164
00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:00.960
<v Speaker 3>to get married again, but they still thought they were

165
00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:03.960
<v Speaker 3>a perfect match for each other. As a result, Ray

166
00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:06.200
<v Speaker 3>decided to move in with Patty at her house in

167
00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:10.240
<v Speaker 3>the town of Bellafont, located just over ten miles northeast

168
00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.080
<v Speaker 3>of State College.

169
00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.039
<v Speaker 4>You know, I love everything about Ray.

170
00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Ray was willing to sacrifice his career and say, listen,

171
00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I get the best job ever, which is to be

172
00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.759
<v Speaker 2>a stay at home dad with our baby. He moves

173
00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to support his wife's career, which is amazing. And you know, look,

174
00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.799
<v Speaker 2>they did a lot together, they raised a baby. Didn't

175
00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.159
<v Speaker 2>work out, and he tries again, doesn't work out, But

176
00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:36.080
<v Speaker 2>when he finds Patty, it really does work. I think

177
00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.279
<v Speaker 2>it's hard when you work in victim services or you

178
00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.879
<v Speaker 2>work in the criminal justice system for people to understand

179
00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:46.759
<v Speaker 2>your energy and emotions and empathy and those kinds of things.

180
00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Ray worked to advocate for victims, which is incredible, and

181
00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.639
<v Speaker 2>then he meets Patty, who is also a clerk and

182
00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:57.519
<v Speaker 2>victim's right advocate in the criminal justice system. So their

183
00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:01.039
<v Speaker 2>ability to support and understand each other had to be incredible,

184
00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:03.399
<v Speaker 2>probably the first time in his life. He said, they

185
00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.200
<v Speaker 2>really get it right, Like I know everyone else understood,

186
00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:09.600
<v Speaker 2>but this person really gets it. And so it sounds

187
00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.720
<v Speaker 2>like his life's kind of lining up. I got the

188
00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.080
<v Speaker 2>ability to then the most precious years be a stay

189
00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:16.799
<v Speaker 2>at home dad. I'm now happily, you know, in a

190
00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.320
<v Speaker 2>relationship or in no rush, and my career seems.

191
00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.440
<v Speaker 4>To be really getting its feet underneath of me again.

192
00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.159
<v Speaker 4>And he seems happy.

193
00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That's what's interesting about Ray is because he had

194
00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.559
<v Speaker 1>such a high profile job where he often interacted with

195
00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the media. You can actually find interview clips of him

196
00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.440
<v Speaker 1>online from the years before he went missing. So this

197
00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.519
<v Speaker 1>is a rare missing person's case where you get to

198
00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:42.360
<v Speaker 1>see the person speaking on video rather than just photographs

199
00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.399
<v Speaker 1>and kind of get an idea of their personality. And

200
00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:47.159
<v Speaker 1>he really does seem like a nice, low key, down

201
00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.279
<v Speaker 1>to earth guy. But I do think it's appropriate that

202
00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.120
<v Speaker 1>they describe him as enigmatic, that sometimes he was hard

203
00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to read, and even though he does look like he's happy,

204
00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.600
<v Speaker 1>as we're going to talk about later, there was speculation

205
00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.480
<v Speaker 1>that maybe he was feeling secretly depressed or suicidal, and

206
00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.440
<v Speaker 1>he seemed like he had the type of personality that

207
00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.799
<v Speaker 1>if he was having a mental health crisis or something

208
00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.600
<v Speaker 1>was bothering him, he would keep it bottled up inside

209
00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and not tell anyone.

210
00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.200
<v Speaker 2>That's fair, But I do wonder too, when you have

211
00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.159
<v Speaker 2>a job like he had, where he's a prosecutor, you

212
00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:17.120
<v Speaker 2>need to be.

213
00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.399
<v Speaker 4>Animated and you need to be passionate.

214
00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.200
<v Speaker 2>But I also think you've got to wear your hurt

215
00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.159
<v Speaker 2>pretty close to your sleeve, because you know, as much

216
00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.120
<v Speaker 2>as he's advocating for these victims and he's putting himself

217
00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.240
<v Speaker 2>out there, at some point, you do kind of have

218
00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.600
<v Speaker 2>to create this boundary where you say, I'm going to

219
00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.679
<v Speaker 2>do my professional duty and I'm going to try to

220
00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.679
<v Speaker 2>survive the emotional side of it. And I think sometimes

221
00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.639
<v Speaker 2>that comes off where you have more of that reserved,

222
00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.759
<v Speaker 2>cautious attitude where people admire you and think you're you know,

223
00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.679
<v Speaker 2>gregarious and things like that, but there's also that kind

224
00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of affect where there's a little bit of a wall

225
00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:50.080
<v Speaker 2>and distance from people.

226
00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:50.600
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes.

227
00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would definitely make sense, because if he's working

228
00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.720
<v Speaker 1>with victims all the time who have suffered from horrific

229
00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:58.639
<v Speaker 1>crimes and working with a lot of families, I think

230
00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.279
<v Speaker 1>he would have to keep a professional demeanor and kind

231
00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of bottle up some of his emotions just to be

232
00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.399
<v Speaker 1>able to get through it. So in January two thousand

233
00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and four, Ray announced that he had decided not to

234
00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.399
<v Speaker 1>seek a sixth term as Center County District Attorney and

235
00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.320
<v Speaker 1>would not be running for reelection the following year. He

236
00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:17.279
<v Speaker 1>would be stepping down at the end of two thousand

237
00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and five, shortly after he passed his sixtieth birthday and

238
00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.919
<v Speaker 1>retire from practicing law. He wanted to spend more time

239
00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.159
<v Speaker 1>traveling and visiting his daughter, Laura, who was living in Seattle,

240
00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Washington at that point. On April fifteenth, Ray was in

241
00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the midst of winding down his career and had just

242
00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:36.120
<v Speaker 1>seven and a half months left in office. When he

243
00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and Patty woke up that morning, Ray told her he

244
00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.360
<v Speaker 1>was planning to take the day off work and went

245
00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.960
<v Speaker 1>back to sleep. Patty's ordinary routine was to return home

246
00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.159
<v Speaker 1>at lunchtime in order to take care of their dog,

247
00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.519
<v Speaker 1>but since she had to run some errands that day,

248
00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.919
<v Speaker 1>she wrote a note asking Ray if he could handle

249
00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the dog before she left. Well. At around eleven thirty am,

250
00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Ray called Patty from his cell phone to inform her

251
00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that he was now taking a scenic drive in his

252
00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:02.759
<v Speaker 1>red and white Mini Cooper and heading northeast on Route

253
00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.360
<v Speaker 1>one ninety two through the unincorporated community of Brush Valley.

254
00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:08.960
<v Speaker 1>He told Patty that he was planning to do some

255
00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.679
<v Speaker 1>antique shopping, which was one of his favorite hobbies, and

256
00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:13.559
<v Speaker 1>he would not be back in time to take care

257
00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.720
<v Speaker 1>of the dog. But after the call ended, Patty never

258
00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.320
<v Speaker 1>heard from Ray again. Ray failed to return home that evening,

259
00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and when repeated calls to a cell phone kept going

260
00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to voicemail, Patty became concerned enough to contact the Bellefont

261
00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Police Department and officially reported him missing some time after

262
00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.120
<v Speaker 1>eleven PM. Patty also reached out to Ray's daughter, Laura,

263
00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.840
<v Speaker 1>who confirmed that she hadn't heard from him either. Years earlier,

264
00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.519
<v Speaker 1>when Ray was married to his second wife, Emma, he

265
00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.960
<v Speaker 1>decided to leave the residence after they got into a

266
00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.320
<v Speaker 1>huge fight and made an impromptu trip to his hometown

267
00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.879
<v Speaker 1>of Cleveland, and since Ray was a fan of the

268
00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Indians baseball team, he decided to blow off some

269
00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:54.120
<v Speaker 1>steam by attending a double header and watching back to

270
00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:57.639
<v Speaker 1>back games at Jacob's Field. While this was going on,

271
00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Ray did not bother to contact Emma or anyone else

272
00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to let them know where he was until he suddenly

273
00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.840
<v Speaker 1>reappeared to work again on Monday morning, as if nothing

274
00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.679
<v Speaker 1>had happened. Since the Indians had an afternoon game scheduled

275
00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.080
<v Speaker 1>on April the sixteenth, the Bellfow PD contacted the local

276
00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.000
<v Speaker 1>authorities and asked them to check the Jacobs Field parking

277
00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.519
<v Speaker 1>lot for raise Minnie Cooper, but they did not find

278
00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:18.879
<v Speaker 1>it there.

279
00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.080
<v Speaker 2>So you have to digest the two of those situations.

280
00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:24.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I understand what she was doing. She was

281
00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:27.559
<v Speaker 2>desperate and saying, hey, there's a chance, you know, maybe

282
00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:29.480
<v Speaker 2>he did the same thing. He failed to communicate and

283
00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.720
<v Speaker 2>went to the Cleveland's game, but the Cleveland Indians game.

284
00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:36.360
<v Speaker 2>But when you look, he was in a fight with Emma,

285
00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.720
<v Speaker 2>and he was not in a fight with Patty. He

286
00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was communicating with Patty. And so as a spouse, if

287
00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.240
<v Speaker 2>you got into an incredibly large fuss, I could actually

288
00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.960
<v Speaker 2>see being a little bit of a turd and going

289
00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:52.720
<v Speaker 2>to a baseball game, ignoring your wife's calls and making

290
00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.320
<v Speaker 2>her quote worry about you, which is not healthy, and

291
00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.639
<v Speaker 2>then just showing back up and pretending like nothing else happened.

292
00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.840
<v Speaker 2>But here with pat they have plans. He's calling and

293
00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:06.000
<v Speaker 2>keeping in contact with her. He has, you know, this

294
00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.039
<v Speaker 2>day where he's going to do some of his favorite things,

295
00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.559
<v Speaker 2>which is antique shopping. He was filling her in on

296
00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.679
<v Speaker 2>what was coming that day, and so her first gut,

297
00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:17.279
<v Speaker 2>which is something's wrong, wonder where he is. I need

298
00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.639
<v Speaker 2>to reach out. That is way more probable than him

299
00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.360
<v Speaker 2>running off and failing to communicate, because they weren't fighting,

300
00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.279
<v Speaker 2>and he was giving her the details of what his

301
00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.919
<v Speaker 2>day was supposed to look like and it just didn't

302
00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:30.519
<v Speaker 2>end up the way she thought it was going to.

303
00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as we're going to find out, he technically looked

304
00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:37.159
<v Speaker 1>like he was going antique shopping because, as we mentioned

305
00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.759
<v Speaker 1>in the intro, his abandoned car would eventually be found

306
00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:42.799
<v Speaker 1>outside of antique Small So it makes you wonder was

307
00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:45.120
<v Speaker 1>he actually telling the truth. Did he plan to go

308
00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.120
<v Speaker 1>there for that reason, or did he have a trip

309
00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.240
<v Speaker 1>plan for other reasons which he did not tell his

310
00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.000
<v Speaker 1>wife about. But all anyone knows is that he never

311
00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:53.559
<v Speaker 1>came back.

312
00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.039
<v Speaker 3>I guess you could look at it like he has

313
00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.559
<v Speaker 3>his history of disappearing, like he was fighting with his

314
00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.600
<v Speaker 3>wife the time. Like if it is a pattern, maybe

315
00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.480
<v Speaker 3>he's setting up an like kind of an alibi for

316
00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:07.759
<v Speaker 3>like this is where I am, this is where I've been,

317
00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:12.279
<v Speaker 3>and then in doing so, he's going to assuage any

318
00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.159
<v Speaker 3>concerns that she has or any fears, and that may

319
00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.879
<v Speaker 3>buy him some time if he decided to disappear voluntarily,

320
00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:22.080
<v Speaker 3>which I'm not saying that I think that's necessarily what happened,

321
00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.679
<v Speaker 3>but just that there is a potential that that could

322
00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:29.440
<v Speaker 3>have happened. However, at around six thirty pm on the

323
00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.559
<v Speaker 3>evening of the sixteenth, a state trooper found the Mini

324
00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Cooper in the small town of Louisbourg, located sixty miles

325
00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:40.519
<v Speaker 3>east of Bellefonte in Union County. The Mini Cooper was

326
00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.399
<v Speaker 3>in a gravel parking lot located across the street from

327
00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.879
<v Speaker 3>an antiques s mall called the Street of Shops. Like

328
00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.879
<v Speaker 3>we mentioned earlier, one of Ray's favorite hobbies was collecting antiques,

329
00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.720
<v Speaker 3>so he traveled to Louisbourg to visit this mall on

330
00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.840
<v Speaker 3>previous occasions. The vehicle was locked, but when the police

331
00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:00.799
<v Speaker 3>managed to open it and get inside, they found Ray's

332
00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:02.960
<v Speaker 3>cell phone, which had been issued to him by the

333
00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.400
<v Speaker 3>county for work purposes and was turned off. A half

334
00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.559
<v Speaker 3>filled water bottle was also found in the vehicle's beverage holder,

335
00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:14.039
<v Speaker 3>and testing would later find traces of raised DNA on it. However,

336
00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.559
<v Speaker 3>raised wallet and the keys to the Mini Cooper were

337
00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:20.319
<v Speaker 3>nowhere to be found. The strangest clue were small traces

338
00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.400
<v Speaker 3>of cigarette ash on the passenger side floor mat, and

339
00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.680
<v Speaker 3>there was also a scent of cigarette smoke. This seemed

340
00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.960
<v Speaker 3>very unusual since Ray is like smoking and everyone who

341
00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:32.680
<v Speaker 3>knew him found it unlikely that he would have ever

342
00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:36.359
<v Speaker 3>let anyone smoke inside his car. A pair of cigarette

343
00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.799
<v Speaker 3>butts were also found on the ground near the passenger

344
00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:42.000
<v Speaker 3>side of the vehicle, and while DNA was recovered from

345
00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.839
<v Speaker 3>them and entered into law enforcement databases containing the DNA

346
00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.359
<v Speaker 3>of offenders, it failed to produce a match. When the

347
00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.480
<v Speaker 3>sniffer dog was brought in to track raise scent, it

348
00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.079
<v Speaker 3>did not go any further than the parking lot, which

349
00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.920
<v Speaker 3>seemed to indicate that Ray may have climbed into another

350
00:17:58.039 --> 00:17:59.559
<v Speaker 3>vehicle and left a scene.

351
00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.400
<v Speaker 2>That's possible too, but when you think about if he

352
00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.640
<v Speaker 2>was going to go to another vehicle, who then drove

353
00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.079
<v Speaker 2>his vehicle and had those cigarettes there again, that is

354
00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.519
<v Speaker 2>one of those factors that says that was so out

355
00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.200
<v Speaker 2>of character for him. He's never going to be in

356
00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.559
<v Speaker 2>an enclosed space. You come in my home, you come

357
00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.079
<v Speaker 2>in my car, you are not bringing your cigarettes like

358
00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.240
<v Speaker 2>poor Rebel's parents go outside and smoke, you know, are

359
00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.240
<v Speaker 2>they ride in their own car?

360
00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:26.799
<v Speaker 4>Because it's a hard no.

361
00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.359
<v Speaker 2>And so when you know, when we think about Ray's

362
00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:34.359
<v Speaker 2>car is found with those items in there, in those

363
00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.599
<v Speaker 2>kinds of details, yes, clearly there's stuff that traces back

364
00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.839
<v Speaker 2>to Ray because he drove that car. But there's also

365
00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.880
<v Speaker 2>elements that say, wait a minute, there was someone else

366
00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.039
<v Speaker 2>there and like I said earlier, likely someone he was

367
00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:48.400
<v Speaker 2>not very closely associated with.

368
00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and online discussions about this case, I've actually seen

369
00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.240
<v Speaker 1>people try to put for the cigarette butts as evidence

370
00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:57.720
<v Speaker 1>of a suicide, thinking that if Ray wanted to end

371
00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.279
<v Speaker 1>his life, maybe he just wanted to enjoy one last

372
00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.920
<v Speaker 1>cigarette beforehand. But no, like this wasn't a former smoker

373
00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:05.920
<v Speaker 1>who had quit for a long time and wanted one

374
00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.519
<v Speaker 1>final cigarette. He was a guy who had detested smoking

375
00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.079
<v Speaker 1>period and will not let anyone smoke in his car.

376
00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:13.839
<v Speaker 1>So that really does suggest that he was in the

377
00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.200
<v Speaker 1>presence of another person who was in that car. But

378
00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.559
<v Speaker 1>to this day, they've never been able to figure out

379
00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.440
<v Speaker 1>who it might be. So there were multiple witnesses who

380
00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:25.319
<v Speaker 1>were called seeing Ray and Louisbourg on April fifteenth, and

381
00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:28.039
<v Speaker 1>it appeared that earlier that day, before he parked the

382
00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.720
<v Speaker 1>car in this particular lot, he had parked across the

383
00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:35.319
<v Speaker 1>street from another location, the Packwood House Museum. Employees from

384
00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the museum said they saw Ray pacing around outside in

385
00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.559
<v Speaker 1>a nearby park as if he appeared to be waiting

386
00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:43.319
<v Speaker 1>for someone, but at some point he moved his car

387
00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:46.319
<v Speaker 1>to the lot near the Street of Shops. The most

388
00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:49.400
<v Speaker 1>intriguing sighting was provided by witnesses who said they saw

389
00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:52.559
<v Speaker 1>a man matching Ray's description inside the Street of Shops

390
00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:55.839
<v Speaker 1>walking alongside a dark haired woman, and they appeared to

391
00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.960
<v Speaker 1>be together since they were speaking to one another. During

392
00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:01.839
<v Speaker 1>the early stages of the investigation, it was believed that

393
00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:04.039
<v Speaker 1>the brown haired woman might have been a close friend

394
00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.839
<v Speaker 1>of Ray's named Barbara Patito, who had worked as a

395
00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.680
<v Speaker 1>TV reporter in State College. Not only did Petito match

396
00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the description, but she was known for being a smoker

397
00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:15.759
<v Speaker 1>and a regular customer at the Street of Shops who

398
00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.000
<v Speaker 1>had an interest in antiques. However, it turned out that

399
00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Potito was away on vacation in New York on the

400
00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.079
<v Speaker 1>date Ray went missing, so she was ruled out as

401
00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.480
<v Speaker 1>being the woman Unfortunately, the sighting of the woman was

402
00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:31.200
<v Speaker 1>not made public until thirteen months after Ray disappeared, and

403
00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:35.079
<v Speaker 1>investigators would face criticism for not pursuing this lead more aggressively.

404
00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, when you say witnesses saw this, how many witnesses

405
00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:39.599
<v Speaker 2>saw this?

406
00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:42.279
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it was quite a few, like not

407
00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.039
<v Speaker 1>just one, but various witnesses throughout the course of the

408
00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.519
<v Speaker 1>day who were certain that they had seen Ray walking

409
00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:51.119
<v Speaker 1>alongside this woman. And the ones I've been intrigued about

410
00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.160
<v Speaker 1>is when they say they saw Ray and a woman

411
00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.640
<v Speaker 1>in close proximity to the Mini Cooper, Because that is

412
00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.559
<v Speaker 1>a very distinct vehicle. So you have to think that

413
00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:01.400
<v Speaker 1>if you saw Ray and a woman or a man

414
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.759
<v Speaker 1>and a woman standing beside it, then it's probably Ray.

415
00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.279
<v Speaker 3>So if this is the woman who was potentially smoking

416
00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.119
<v Speaker 3>near the vehicle, I could only think of a scenario where,

417
00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:14.720
<v Speaker 3>like I was a smoker ten years ago, I haven't

418
00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.640
<v Speaker 3>touched them since I can't stand the smell now. I'm

419
00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:19.559
<v Speaker 3>very put off by it, but I can understand for

420
00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.680
<v Speaker 3>people it's a very difficult habit to quit. And if

421
00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.759
<v Speaker 3>it was a woman that he was attracted to or

422
00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.319
<v Speaker 3>potentially having an affair with, sometimes people. And I'm not

423
00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.119
<v Speaker 3>saying this is what happened, but sometimes people will forgive

424
00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:37.440
<v Speaker 3>vices in others if it is a scenario like that.

425
00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:38.640
<v Speaker 4>That's very true. That's very true. He could be like,

426
00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:40.960
<v Speaker 4>listen with you, I don't care. Yeah, that's.

427
00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it makes sense to me. I've given people rides

428
00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.240
<v Speaker 1>with people who have smoked in my car, even though

429
00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't particularly like smoking. But I'm more flexible if

430
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:52.599
<v Speaker 1>I know that they want to smoke and I'm doing

431
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:53.200
<v Speaker 1>them a favor.

432
00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:55.440
<v Speaker 3>I thought you were going to say, I'm more flexible

433
00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:56.240
<v Speaker 3>if I think they're hot.

434
00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I didn't want to say. That would never

435
00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:04.759
<v Speaker 1>be his podcast.

436
00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.079
<v Speaker 3>When Patty performed a search of her residents, the only

437
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.039
<v Speaker 3>items of Rays which appeared to be missing were a

438
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.720
<v Speaker 3>pair of sunglasses and his county issued laptop computer that

439
00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.640
<v Speaker 3>he used for work purposes. Patty said it was uncharacteristic

440
00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.839
<v Speaker 3>of Ray to bring his laptop on non work related trips.

441
00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.440
<v Speaker 3>He also left behind the computer's case, power cord, and

442
00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.839
<v Speaker 3>sloppy drive, and the laptop's battery was believed to have

443
00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.480
<v Speaker 3>about two or three hours worth of power. The Mini

444
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Cooper had been parked in close proximity to the Susquehanna River,

445
00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.559
<v Speaker 3>which had two bridges crossing over it. One of them

446
00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.519
<v Speaker 3>was part of Pennsylvania Route forty five and used by

447
00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.400
<v Speaker 3>local traffic, while the other was a rusted, abandoned railway trestle.

448
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.599
<v Speaker 3>There was some concern that Ray might have decided to

449
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.319
<v Speaker 3>intentionally jump off one of the bridges into the river,

450
00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:57.039
<v Speaker 3>as the whole scene had some striking similarities to another

451
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:02.160
<v Speaker 3>tragedy experienced by the greek Car family years earlier. In

452
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:05.480
<v Speaker 3>May of nineteen ninety six, Ray's older brother, Roy Greekar,

453
00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:08.680
<v Speaker 3>who was fifty three years old at the time, left

454
00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:12.319
<v Speaker 3>his home in Westchester Township, Ohio, after telling his wife

455
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.039
<v Speaker 3>he was going to buy some mulch, but he never returned.

456
00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:19.519
<v Speaker 3>Two days later, Roy's abandoned car was discovered forty miles

457
00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 3>away at a park in Dayton, located near a bridge

458
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:27.160
<v Speaker 3>overlooking the Great Miami River, one week after he originally

459
00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:30.400
<v Speaker 3>went missing. Roy's body was found in the river, down

460
00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:32.839
<v Speaker 3>streamed from a spot where his car had been parked.

461
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.839
<v Speaker 3>Since Roy had a history of struggles with depression and

462
00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:39.079
<v Speaker 3>bipolar disorder, it seemed likely that he jumped off the

463
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.680
<v Speaker 3>bridge and drowned, and his death was ruled to be

464
00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.240
<v Speaker 3>a suicide. The fact that Ray's abandoned car was also

465
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.960
<v Speaker 3>found a great distance from his home, near a bridge

466
00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:51.640
<v Speaker 3>overlooking a river, caused speculation that he may have followed

467
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.440
<v Speaker 3>in his brother's footsteps and ended his own life. While

468
00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.079
<v Speaker 3>Ray had no documented history of depression or suicidal behavior,

469
00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.160
<v Speaker 3>and his life ones believed that he was looking forward

470
00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 3>to his upcoming retirement. However, people had recently started noticing

471
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.839
<v Speaker 3>that Ray appeared to be withdrawn and giving off signs

472
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.920
<v Speaker 3>that he was fatigued, as he would often take naps

473
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.799
<v Speaker 3>after work and at lunch time. In fact, Ray seemed

474
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.519
<v Speaker 3>to spend so much time sleeping that in the weeks

475
00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.000
<v Speaker 3>prior to his disappearance, Patty suggested that Ray go see

476
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.920
<v Speaker 3>a doctor, but he never did. On April fourteenth, the

477
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 3>day before Ray went missing, he took a half day

478
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.079
<v Speaker 3>off from work, and witnesses would recall seeing a Mini

479
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Cooper parked at a local lakeside marina during the morning

480
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:40.240
<v Speaker 3>hours with Ray sitting inside. Later that evening, surveillance camera

481
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.079
<v Speaker 3>showed Ray arriving at his office at the Center County

482
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 3>court House, but he left just under two hours later,

483
00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.759
<v Speaker 3>and no one could be certain what he was doing there.

484
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:51.920
<v Speaker 3>In search of Ray's office computer would show that he

485
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:54.240
<v Speaker 3>had done an Internet search to look up the route

486
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 3>to Bellefonde to Louisbourg, which struck some people as odds

487
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 3>since Ray had previously driven to that area. Yeah, on

488
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:01.519
<v Speaker 3>numerous occasions.

489
00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:03.480
<v Speaker 4>That is really odd.

490
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:05.559
<v Speaker 2>If he was familiar with the area, you know, why

491
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:07.559
<v Speaker 2>would he need to look it up on the computer.

492
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.799
<v Speaker 2>But it is It's sad when you think about they've

493
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:16.039
<v Speaker 2>already suffered a tragedy where his brother completed suicide in

494
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:20.039
<v Speaker 2>a way that they're now assuming could he have followed suit?

495
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Could he have been you know, telling Patty, this is

496
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.519
<v Speaker 2>my plan, this is where I'm going, right, And instead

497
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 2>of the verbal plans, he has these other mental plans

498
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>that he's actually saying, I'm going to take my own life,

499
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and I just don't want her to worry. So he

500
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of has this quote monotonous routine day and never

501
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 2>comes home.

502
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:43.319
<v Speaker 4>But again, I don't know when he's not sleeping much.

503
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 2>He's stressed at the end of his career. There's grief

504
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that goes into that change, you know. But he has

505
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>plans to retire so he could spend time with his daughter. Remember,

506
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>even though the marriage didn't work, that was like the

507
00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>greatest thing he had in his life, more than his

508
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.000
<v Speaker 2>career and things like that, He's going to go hang

509
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.319
<v Speaker 2>out with Lauren, get to see her more if he retires,

510
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>and he's not sleeping very much and being encouraged.

511
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 4>To the doctor.

512
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>But I could chalk that up to just stress and

513
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:12.759
<v Speaker 2>grief and venality of saying, you know, a chapter of

514
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.759
<v Speaker 2>my life is closing, and I want to make sure

515
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I end my cases, wrap up things that I want

516
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.519
<v Speaker 2>to get done. But then you look and you say, Okay,

517
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>we know Ray went to his office. We're not really

518
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.559
<v Speaker 2>sure what he was doing there. But if you look

519
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.200
<v Speaker 2>at the office computer, he's googling this place that he

520
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>should be or searching his place. He should be very

521
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>familiar with what could he need to know that he

522
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:34.799
<v Speaker 2>doesn't already know.

523
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it's a possibility if he was

524
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:39.880
<v Speaker 1>planning to meet someone there, that maybe he had to

525
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.480
<v Speaker 1>look up the instructions because maybe he knows the route

526
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 1>by heart, but he has to get the directions from

527
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the computer so that he can provide them to someone.

528
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And I know that people have speculated that maybe Ray

529
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>was depressed and suicidal, because retirement is sometimes difficult for

530
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:55.599
<v Speaker 1>people they don't know what they're going to do with

531
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.440
<v Speaker 1>themselves once they no longer work. But this wasn't a

532
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>force mandatory retirement. He was almost sixty, and he could

533
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>still continue working for a couple more years if he

534
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to. And even if he didn't win re election,

535
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.119
<v Speaker 1>he could have gotten some other job in the Center

536
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>County Attorney's office. So yeah, everyone just swears that he

537
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>just didn't show any signs of being suicidal or depressed.

538
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.759
<v Speaker 1>But as I'm sure you know, sometimes people can mask

539
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.400
<v Speaker 1>those symptoms very effectively. Since there were no obvious signs

540
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 1>of foul play at his abandoned vehicle, investigators seriously explored

541
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the possibility that Ray elected to take his own life

542
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and performed a search of the Susquehanna River. Since the

543
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>currents were strong and Ray was not known for being

544
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 1>a great swimmer, he likely would not have survived, even

545
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 1>though the fall from both of the bridges crossing over

546
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 1>the river was only twenty five feet. However, a search

547
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 1>of the river failed to turn up Ray's body or

548
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 1>any other evidence. But since the spring melt had recently

549
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>taken place, the water level was higher than usual. By

550
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the time summer arrived, the water level had considerably lowered,

551
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and on July the thirtieth, some fishermen finally discovered ray

552
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>laptop in the river, lodged against a bridge support on

553
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the abandoned railway trestle. A forensic examination of the computer

554
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 1>indicated that it had been in the river for months,

555
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.599
<v Speaker 1>but the laptop's hard drive was removed and a new

556
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>search of the area failed to turn it up. But

557
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.079
<v Speaker 1>two months later, on October the First, a mother and

558
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 1>daughter skipping stones in the water wound up coming across

559
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>a hard drive on the riverbed near the railway trestle.

560
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>The spot was about one hundred yards upstream from where

561
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 1>the laptop had been found, and it seemed impossible that

562
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the hard drive could have been dislodged accidentally. After the

563
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.079
<v Speaker 1>computer was tossed into the river, the hard drive had

564
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>to be manually unscrewed, so someone had clearly gone to

565
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the trouble of intentionally removing it. By this point, the

566
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 1>hard drive was so badly damaged by the sand and

567
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>grit from the riverbed that it was impossible to recover

568
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.160
<v Speaker 1>or extract any data from it. Even after the FBI's

569
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 1>best forensic crew performed an analysis. Prior to his disappearance,

570
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Ray had purchased software to erase the computer's hard drive,

571
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 1>which did not seem unusual since he was likely planning

572
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to wipe his work laptop for his upcoming retirement at

573
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the end of the year, but it was eventually revealed

574
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that a search of Ray's home computer showed that he

575
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 1>had performed Internet searches using such terms as quote how

576
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 1>to wreck a hard drive, how to fry a hard drive,

577
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>and water damage to a notebook computer. So this only

578
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:24.319
<v Speaker 1>increased speculation that Ray may have removed the hard drive

579
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.039
<v Speaker 1>from the laptop and tossed both items into the river

580
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.519
<v Speaker 1>because there was something on there he did not want

581
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>people to see.

582
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.480
<v Speaker 4>That is incredibly bizarre.

583
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I would have just thought, hey, look he's trying to

584
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.559
<v Speaker 2>destroy information. Remember he's a prosecutor. There's a lot of

585
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 2>sense of information on his computer. But this is also

586
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.559
<v Speaker 2>not some backwoods prosecutor's office. I'm sure there is an

587
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>actual policy of you have to do the following things

588
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 2>to destroy information, store information, write vile.

589
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Information before you leave.

590
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 2>It's real interesting when you look at it's how to

591
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 2>wreck a hard drive, how to fry the hard drive,

592
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 2>and then water damage, so we're going beyond like, hey,

593
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I've got this old computer. I'm going to just try

594
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 2>to get rid of it. We don't need to go

595
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>now submerged in water. And then it's found in water.

596
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>That's a little bit questionable. And it almost gives me

597
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the Ray Rivera vibes a little.

598
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.319
<v Speaker 1>Bit that is true, Yeah, because I remember Ray Rivera

599
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.799
<v Speaker 1>had made a number of strange Google searches on his

600
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 1>computer before he was disappeared and found dead. And my

601
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.319
<v Speaker 1>day job, like one of my duties is when employees

602
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 1>lead having to do stuff like erase their hard drive

603
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.559
<v Speaker 1>or archive all the files that they want to save

604
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 1>after they leave. And it's a very like a standard

605
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:39.119
<v Speaker 1>process where if Ray was buying software to erase the

606
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 1>hard drive, that wouldn't have been anything unusual. But yeah,

607
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the Google searches just seem like too much of a coincidence,

608
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and it makes you wonder like was he making plans

609
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>to destroy what was ever on this computer and what

610
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.319
<v Speaker 1>could have been on there if he felt that he

611
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.519
<v Speaker 1>needed to do something like toss it into a body

612
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>of water.

613
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 3>And since ash brings up the Ray Rivera case interesting

614
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 3>because it's like, is it something that's on there that

615
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 3>could be dangerous or is it something that he's just

616
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 3>believing that it's dangerous because he's got himself into a

617
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 3>mental health situation where he won't go to a doctor

618
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 3>for help. But clearly he is experiencing something and maybe

619
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 3>masking some symptoms of something because he's sleeping so much

620
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 3>that he's taking naps at lunch and this isn't characteristic

621
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 3>of him, and his partner noticed that there's something to

622
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 3>be worried about here when you're urging your partner to

623
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 3>go okay, like you really need to go see a physician,

624
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.440
<v Speaker 3>but then they're holding back. But the fact that this

625
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 3>laptop is found in the river creates so many different possibilities.

626
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Did somebody else take it from Ray because of the

627
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 3>information on there that they wanted destroyed because it would

628
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.920
<v Speaker 3>be deleterious to them, Or did Ray destroy it because

629
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 3>of one of his connections to the cases that he

630
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>thought something that he did or his conduct could have

631
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 3>been damaging, or that the information and may have been

632
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 3>threatening if it got out there for him personally. Or

633
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 3>did he just want to destroy this laptop because he

634
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't want anyone to be able to trace where he

635
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 3>was going, and somehow there might have been a clue

636
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 3>to that on his laptop.

637
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Or, to take another analogy to the Ray rivera case,

638
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 1>if he was having a mental health crisis. Maybe there

639
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>was nothing of value on there, but in his own

640
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.519
<v Speaker 1>mind he thought there was, which is why he felt

641
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the need to destroy it. Or maybe it was just

642
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 1>an act of misdirection where he wanted to add some

643
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:33.079
<v Speaker 1>intrigue to his disappearance or suicide, so he just decided

644
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.519
<v Speaker 1>to toss this laptop into the water for no reason.

645
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.039
<v Speaker 3>When Ray's coworkers returned to his office following his disappearance,

646
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 3>they noticed a county codebook lying on the desk of

647
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.799
<v Speaker 3>an assistant district attorney, and curiously, it was open to

648
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.519
<v Speaker 3>the page describing what to do in the event that

649
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 3>a sitting district attorney went missing or died. Even though

650
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 3>the authorities explored the possibility that Ray could have voluntarily

651
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.839
<v Speaker 3>staged his own disappearance, there would be no further activity

652
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 3>on his bank accounts, credit cards, and cell phone records.

653
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 3>No discrepancies were found in the district attorney's office financial

654
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 3>accounts to suggest that Ray had done anything illegal to

655
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 3>compel him to run away, such as embezzling money. There

656
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 3>would be a number of reported sightings of Ray, including

657
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.519
<v Speaker 3>two witnesses who were certain that they'd seen him watching

658
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 3>a Cleveland Indians baseball game at a bar in Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania,

659
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.680
<v Speaker 3>on April eighteenth, three days after he went missing. One

660
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 3>month later, a retired police officer thought he saw Ray

661
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 3>and an older woman together at a restaurant in Southfield, Michigan,

662
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 3>and another witness became convinced that she'd seen Ray sitting

663
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 3>in the studio audience for a taping of an episode

664
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 3>of The Oprah Winfrey Show in Chicago, though in search

665
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 3>of the episode's footage turned up empty. One woman was

666
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.799
<v Speaker 3>so certain she had seen Ray eating at a restaurant

667
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 3>in Texas that she snapped a photo of the man

668
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.079
<v Speaker 3>with her cell phone and turned it over to the authorities,

669
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.680
<v Speaker 3>but the FBI analysis of the photo concluded that the

670
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.239
<v Speaker 3>man was unlikely to be Ray. Even though his daughter

671
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Laura lived several states away in Seattle, she maintained a

672
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 3>close relationship with him. They frequently spoke on the phone

673
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.760
<v Speaker 3>and visited each other several weeks per year, but Laura

674
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 3>said she never heard from Ray after he went missing.

675
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Laura and Patty agreed to take polygraphs in which they

676
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.360
<v Speaker 3>denied any knowledge of raised disappearance, and wound up passing.

677
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.880
<v Speaker 3>The authorities considered administering polygraph tests to both of Ray's

678
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 3>ex wives, as well as his two nephews, Tony and

679
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Chris Greekar, but ultimately decided against it, though they did

680
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.800
<v Speaker 3>not believe that any of these individuals knew what happened

681
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 3>to Ray. Laura was a trustee of Ray's estate, and

682
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 3>in twenty eleven, she petitioned Center County to officially declare

683
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.320
<v Speaker 3>him dead before the standard seven year waiting period expired.

684
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.840
<v Speaker 3>On July twenty fifth of that year, Ray was declared

685
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 3>dead in absentia, and ironically enough, the judge who presided

686
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 3>over the decision was David Grine, the former Center County

687
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 3>District attorney who gave Ray a job as an assistant

688
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 3>three decades earlier, which paid the way for Ray becoming

689
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 3>district attorney himself. In an odd coincidence, just one day

690
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.360
<v Speaker 3>after this decision was made, and unidentified John Doe was

691
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 3>arrested in Utah on a misdemeanor trespassing charge. Since the

692
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 3>man refused to reveal his name and bore a striking

693
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.039
<v Speaker 3>resemblance to Ray Ricar, there were speculations that he might

694
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 3>have been Ray, but a fingerprint check ruled this out,

695
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 3>and the man was soon identified as a sixty one

696
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 3>year old New Mexico resident named Philip Beavers.

697
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Here's what's really interesting. He never contacted Laura. I get

698
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>wanting to disappear. I get needing to start a new life,

699
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>but to never reach out to the baby who really

700
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>was the defining pride of your life, and the fact

701
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.480
<v Speaker 2>that he was planning retirement to be with her and

702
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 2>all of these things is just I mean, imagine a

703
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 2>father who's very well educated and who is very sensitive

704
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to victim's needs, saying, look, my family has already been

705
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 2>through a suicide with my brother. We I on a

706
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 2>daily basis, see what grief and trauma does to a family.

707
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna abandon my daughter and never contact her.

708
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>But I would have run off and have a new life.

709
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem probable now if it was a suicide,

710
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're in the middle state to understand

711
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>other people's needs and grief. But if it is a

712
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:33.559
<v Speaker 2>choice to just leave. I don't see that here. You know,

713
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 2>he's smart, he is involved in the criminal justice system.

714
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 4>So could he leave and know what not to do

715
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 4>to you know, send any signals to anybody? Sure? I

716
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.440
<v Speaker 4>just don't see it. And it's very bizarre that.

717
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.199
<v Speaker 2>There's multiple, multiple, multiple sightings of people who can swear

718
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and are convinced that they saw him. Now, remember, I

719
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 2>think all three of us are on the same page

720
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 2>when we say, like a those can always be almost

721
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 2>chalked up, not very reliable because you might be looking

722
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:06.840
<v Speaker 2>for him or going back in your mind and trying

723
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 2>to put him in a location. But some of those

724
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 2>sound really suspicious and interesting.

725
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I actually remember the live coverage when they found that

726
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>John Doe in Utah who bore a resemblance to Ray,

727
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and before they confirmed that it wasn't him, they actually

728
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>published a photograph of him in the newspaper and if

729
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.039
<v Speaker 1>you look at it, you're like, wow, I think there's

730
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 1>a real possibility this could actually be him. But then

731
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 1>they completely ruled it out and found out it was

732
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a man named Philip Beavers. But yeah, I do think

733
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.119
<v Speaker 1>after all these years that Ray disappearing voluntarily is the

734
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 1>least likely of any of these theories. I remember when

735
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I saw this case on Disappeared, it was only about

736
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>five or six years after a had gone missing, so

737
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I thought, yeah, it's not impossible he could be hiding

738
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.360
<v Speaker 1>out somewhere. But now we've just passed a twenty year anniversary.

739
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 1>There's been no confirmed sidings, no activity on his bank accounts,

740
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 1>so it seems really really unusual that he's still alive

741
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and might still be out there. So I think that

742
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the two lit most likely explanations are probably either suicide

743
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>or him becoming a victim of foul play. So by

744
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 1>the end of twenty eleven, a major story would make

745
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 1>national headlines, which just happened to have a link to

746
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.199
<v Speaker 1>raise career as Center County District Attorney. In November of

747
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:21.079
<v Speaker 1>that year, a grand jury indicted Jerry Sandusky, a retired

748
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.320
<v Speaker 1>assistant coach from the Penn State Nitney Lyons football team,

749
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 1>with fifty two counts of sexual abuse. Sandusky ran a

750
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 1>nonprofit charity called The Second Mile, which assisted underprivileged and

751
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>at risk children, but he had used his position of

752
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:38.199
<v Speaker 1>power to sexually abuse several boys over a period of

753
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 1>at least fifteen years. When Sandusky went on trial the

754
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.679
<v Speaker 1>following year. A jury found him guilty on forty five

755
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>of the charges. He would receive a thirty to sixty

756
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.400
<v Speaker 1>year prison sentence and is still incarcerated to this day.

757
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Given that the Penn State football team was such a

758
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>beloved institution, the story ballooned into a major scandal, amidst

759
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.679
<v Speaker 1>allegations that high ranking officials had known about Sandusky's abusive

760
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.039
<v Speaker 1>behavior for years but swept all the allegations against him

761
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:09.119
<v Speaker 1>under the rug in order to protect the school's reputation. Well.

762
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Sure enough, it would emerge that in May of nineteen

763
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.639
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, Sandusky was accused of inappropriately touching a pair

764
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 1>of eleven year old boys in a locker room shower,

765
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and the case wound up reaching the Center County District

766
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Attorney's office, where it was personally reviewed by Ray Gricar.

767
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Ray decided to set up a sting operation where the

768
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>mother of one of the boys would confront Sandusky at

769
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 1>her house while police secretly recorded their conversation in another room.

770
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:38.559
<v Speaker 1>When the confrontation took place, Sandusky did admit that he

771
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 1>had showered alongside the boy and hugged him in an

772
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 1>inappropriate fashion. Though he stopped short of admitting that he

773
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 1>intentionally molested him. He told the mother quote, I understand

774
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.599
<v Speaker 1>I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I

775
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.519
<v Speaker 1>know I won't get it from you. I wish I

776
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>could die end quote. A child psychologist who interviewed the

777
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>boy concluded that Sandusky was likely a pet file, but

778
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.719
<v Speaker 1>a second opinion was provided by a counselor who did

779
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 1>not believe that Sandusky was an habitual abuser. In the end,

780
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Ray decided not to press any charges against Sandusky and

781
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>closed the case, though it does not sound like he

782
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>shared the reasons for his decision with anyone. When Sandusky

783
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 1>went on trial fourteen years later, the boy from the

784
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.079
<v Speaker 1>shower incident, known only as Victim six, was one of

785
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the survivors who testified against him. Well. Needless to say,

786
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.400
<v Speaker 1>since Ray had been a missing person for six years

787
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 1>by the time the Penn State scandal broke, there was

788
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of speculation that was connected to his disappearance.

789
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>When a search was performed to raise old files and

790
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.400
<v Speaker 1>handwritten notes, it failed to uncover a single mention of

791
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Sandusky or The nineteen ninety eight investigation into the

792
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.199
<v Speaker 1>shower incident. Of course, given that Sandusky's abuse allegations were

793
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 1>swept under the rug for many years, it has been

794
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 1>theorized that Ray may have chosen to participate in the

795
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 1>cover up as well, which is why he elected not

796
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>to press charges. However, Ray's nephew, Tony Greeko, who his

797
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 1>function as the family's official spokesman, disputed this, stating quote,

798
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 1>One thing I can say is that Ray was beholden

799
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to no one, was not a politician. He developed a

800
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>bitter taste in his mouth for the program and its coach,

801
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:14.559
<v Speaker 1>and that was not much of a secret. So I

802
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.880
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't imagine he'd give favorable treatment to anyone associated with

803
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 1>the team for any reason. End quote. Indeed, no conclusive

804
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>evidence has ever been found to suggest that Ray's disappearance

805
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>was linked to the Penn State scandal.

806
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 2>To be honest, had you said that he fought hard

807
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>and when after Sandusky and brought down Penn State and

808
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 2>did press charges, I would be more likely to think

809
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.639
<v Speaker 2>there was a tie in here. I remember this case

810
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 2>so vividly, and there's an incredible documentary done about the

811
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 2>boys who were abused by him. How you think he

812
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:50.639
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a serial perpetrator child sex abusers. Man, we've talked

813
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.360
<v Speaker 2>about this before. They groom and they have a method

814
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that works so well. It's so clear by the time

815
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 2>they're successfully grooming and assault multiple children that this is

816
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 2>not their first rodeo. So that comment pretty much disgusted me. However,

817
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 2>that's a sidetrack. I think the fact that he didn't

818
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>pursue charges would be more inclined to say that this

819
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 2>is not related to that. At the time when this broke,

820
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.559
<v Speaker 2>there were people harassing the accusers, There were people blaming

821
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the children. There were people, you know, just rioting and

822
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.519
<v Speaker 2>doing all kinds of things because they loved the football

823
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 2>program and like Penn State football. And I'm thinking this

824
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with Penn State football. This is

825
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 2>a man hurting little boys and manipulating them, and looking

826
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>for kids that need a father figure and don't have one,

827
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and he's taking advantage of them and giving them opportunities

828
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>that they would never have at these university football camps

829
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 2>and all kinds of things at his home. It was disgusting,

830
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:54.239
<v Speaker 2>but people truly identified him as a hero being falsely

831
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>accused and manipulated when he was protected by the university

832
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 2>there's several emails. There was a graduate assistant who said,

833
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I just walked in on him being intimate in the shower,

834
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 2>like not just showering with the boy, like you know,

835
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>doing things to the boy at a camp and they

836
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 2>told him to be quiet, and they escalated it and said, oh,

837
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, this is what happened. And they were told

838
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.920
<v Speaker 2>shut it down and hide that, get rid of that information.

839
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:22.800
<v Speaker 4>And so yeah, I think if he had pursued and chased.

840
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Him, there would have been a lot more people who

841
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>had these grandy oaths kind of I don't know, unnatural

842
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>obsession with the football team and felt it was a

843
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 2>personal vendetta to make sure this man was vindicated.

844
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.159
<v Speaker 4>So I'm kind of leaning away from that theory.

845
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm with you. I think that the probability seems a

846
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 3>lot lower given the fact that he decided not to

847
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 3>pursue charges. If he had, I would be more inclined

848
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 3>to believe that it could be something associated with the case.

849
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll talk more about this on our later episodes.

850
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 1>But a podcast came out a few years ago which

851
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.039
<v Speaker 1>was exploring the possibility that maybe Ray was doing a

852
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>secret invest on the side without telling anyone trying to

853
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>break this scandal wide open, because apparently, even though he

854
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't press charges against Sandusky, the whole incident apparently haunted him,

855
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's possible that he only decided not to bring

856
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>him to trial not because he was covering anything up,

857
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 1>but because he knew that there would be a major

858
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 1>backlash for going after someone associated with the Penn State

859
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 1>football program. So he probably knew I need an airtight

860
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 1>case if I'm going to prosecute anyone for this, and

861
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I just don't have it right now. But yeah, when

862
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 1>you talked about all these people being harassed and threatened

863
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>when the scandal broke open, even though a lot of

864
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 1>that went on, nobody actually went missing or was murdered

865
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 1>over the whole thing. So it makes me think that

866
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.719
<v Speaker 1>a phrase disappearance was connected to the Penn State scandal.

867
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 1>That so much time has passed and the case is

868
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>now closed that I think evidence would have surfaced about

869
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.760
<v Speaker 1>that by now. So I think that about brings an

870
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 1>end to part one of our series. Next week, we

871
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>are going to share additional information and discuss a long

872
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.320
<v Speaker 1>form podcast which was produced about this case. We also

873
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.360
<v Speaker 1>wound up having its own inconclusive resolution so join us

874
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:06.440
<v Speaker 1>next time as we present part two of our three

875
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>part series on the disappearance of Ray Greekar Robin.

876
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 5>Do you want to tell us a little bit about

877
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 5>the Trail Went Cold Patreon?

878
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three

879
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:20.559
<v Speaker 1>years now, and we offer these standard bonus features like

880
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.039
<v Speaker 1>early ad free episodes, and I also send out stickers

881
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and sign thank you cards to anyone who signs up

882
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.480
<v Speaker 1>with us on Patreon. If you join our five dollars

883
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 1>tier tier two, we also offer monthly bonus episodes in

884
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 1>which I talk about cases which are not featured on

885
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 1>the Trail Went Cold's original feed, so they're exclusive to Patreon,

886
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and if you join our highest tier tier three, the

887
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>ten dollars tier. One of the features we offer is

888
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Speaker 1>a audio commentary track over classic episodes of Unsawved Mysteries,

889
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 1>where you can download an audio file and then boot

890
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 1>up the original Unsolved Mysteries episode on Amazon Prime or

891
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>YouTube and play it with my audio commentary play in

892
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the background, where I just provide trivia and factoids about

893
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the cases featured in this episode. And incidentally, the very

894
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 1>first episode that I did a commentary track over was

895
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the episode featuring this case. So if you want to

896
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>download a commentary track in which I make more smart

897
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>ass remarks about Jewel Kaylor, then be sure to join

898
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Tier three.

899
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 5>So I want to let you know a little bit

900
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 5>about the Jewels and nashty patreons. So there's early ad

901
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 5>free episodes of The Path Went Chili. We've got our

902
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.719
<v Speaker 5>Pathwent Chili mini's, which are always over an hour, so

903
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.880
<v Speaker 5>they're not very mini, but they're just too short to

904
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 5>turn into a series, and we're really enjoying doing those,

905
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.039
<v Speaker 5>so we hope you'll check out those patreons.

906
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 3>We'll link them in the show notes.

907
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:40.960
<v Speaker 1>So I want to thank you all for listening, and

908
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:43.440
<v Speaker 1>any chance you have to share us on social media

909
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 1>with a friend or to rate and review is greatly appreciated.

910
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.679
<v Speaker 1>You can email us at The Pathwentchili at gmail dot com.

911
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 1>You can reach us on Twitter at the Pathwin. So

912
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 1>until next time, be sure to bundle up because cold

913
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 1>trails and Chili pass call for warm clothing.

914
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.119
<v Speaker 3>Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Collors Comedy