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<v Speaker 1>Drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh these girls is out here, has starting some drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh these ladies is getting sassy with me, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just so scared.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so scared that I asked two guys to come

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<v Speaker 2>to debate and they weren't interested in debating. We had

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<v Speaker 2>actually a pretty massive meltdown, as we're gonna see. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be doing a little bit tonight. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what happened. Then I'm gonna talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>specific refutations of what we've seen all breckt offer, which

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty low tier stuff, and I'll show you exactly

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<v Speaker 2>why no one is actually interested in all Breck. First,

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<v Speaker 2>so all Brick likes to make a big huff and

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<v Speaker 2>a big stink. And many years ago, when I first

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<v Speaker 2>met Albrecht online, he asked for a debate and we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this in and it was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>set up this is back in twenty nineteen here, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I would give him a bunch of references, a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of links, a bunch of things to read, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it would turn out that months later he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>able to do it, so he would only do originally

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<v Speaker 2>debates several months out. I have several radio shows at

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<v Speaker 2>that time. He wouldn't do YouTube debates, and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to I'm like radio, okay, Boomer, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I asked him if you'd like to debate

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<v Speaker 2>something else, and the original statement that he gave was, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it six months from now, and then months later, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it down the road. I've been busy, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got stuff coming on coming up, I've had issues. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do it, okay. So this became a recurring thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is would Saturday in December, So this is

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<v Speaker 2>July twenty nine, twenty nineteen. How about an in person

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<v Speaker 2>debate in December? Six months out? Then he says, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Then he says, here, let's do it dual stream,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, I don't think double streams will work,

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<v Speaker 2>because at that time we were talking about him coming

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<v Speaker 2>on my stream. And then what he used to do

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<v Speaker 2>is that he would just hope that months later you

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<v Speaker 2>would forget, and then when it came around time for

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<v Speaker 2>the debate, he would say, oh, I've got personal issues

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. And so UBI had a similar type of

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<v Speaker 2>experience with William Albrick, and since that time pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>everyone just quit caring or paying attention to him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have any audience attraction until he got on

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<v Speaker 2>Shimun's channel anyway. But his papacy stuff is literally just

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<v Speaker 2>the most basic, bitch low tier stuff, as we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>when we get to the all Brick presentation here in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment, and we're gonna have fun reacting to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we do, I'll explain what happened today. So

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<v Speaker 2>Shamoon did a stream about the Trinity and Protestant and

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic apologists and their different strategies and takes and who

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<v Speaker 2>has a better model, and whether the Protestants were better

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<v Speaker 2>than the Roman Catholics and so forth, and he said

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<v Speaker 2>something to the fact of, well, right now, the Protestants

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<v Speaker 2>are beating the Catholics on the Trinity because they will

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Old Testament and they'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>Nade of the Lord. That's true. However, what I disagreed

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<v Speaker 2>with was that between these two, the protestantlogists and the

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<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholic apologist, he was missing the obvious Orthodox apologists.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about me, doctor Branson, and the entire

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<v Speaker 2>history of the orthodox monarchical trinitarian model. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>did later mention that now I don't care about, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate issue of whether he said that I was

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<v Speaker 2>good to the trinity or whatever, I'm not worried about that.

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<v Speaker 2>My point in dming him was that I don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>either the Protestants or the Roman Catholics have good trinitarian

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<v Speaker 2>models because they don't even have the Triad. And they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the triad because you don't just have the

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<v Speaker 2>triad as an abstract doctrine in your head. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a doctrine that you have separate from the doctrine of

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<v Speaker 2>the energies. There is no trinity without energy's doctrine. But

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<v Speaker 2>the weird part about Shimun is that Shamun seems to

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<v Speaker 2>think that you can have theophany, but he doesn't even

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<v Speaker 2>know about the energies. The only way to have Theophanes

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<v Speaker 2>is to have the energetic manifestation of those theophanies. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he even knows that, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to show you the evidence that he doesn't even seem.

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<v Speaker 1>To know that. So here's the horrible thing that I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently, if you message him while he's doing a live stream,

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<v Speaker 2>which I wasn't aware of this. I don't spend all

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<v Speaker 2>my time watching Sam Shamun. I know many of you

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<v Speaker 2>think that I do. But I've watched. I've watched some

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<v Speaker 2>of his muzzle and debates, and that's about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>dared to message him while he was streaming and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's set up a friendly debate where we have time responses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the horrible demonic thing I did.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently, if you ask Sam Shimun a question while he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to live stream, you're of the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize this.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that that's what counts as demonic manifestation. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I've always thought it was a little odd that he

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<v Speaker 2>always calls anyone who disagrees manifesting manifesting manifesting. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>people who have the vices or who lose their temper.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not all possessed and they're all they're not all

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<v Speaker 2>demonic manifestations. This is just bizarre. But one of you,

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<v Speaker 2>some of you might be wondering, well, why did you

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<v Speaker 2>continue on being friends with Sam Chumun for so long? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to make Sam Schuman orthodox. I want him

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<v Speaker 2>to become Orthodox, as is the case with everybody that

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<v Speaker 2>we interact with, talk to debate with, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>was always respectful, and I think everybody can attest to

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that at no point in the last seven

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<v Speaker 2>years of knowing Sam Chumun, can anyone point out any

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<v Speaker 2>time where I ever said anything negative at all or critical,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but respect for Sam Chumun throughout those entire years.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a very bizarre response because Number one one,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're doing a live stream, don't pay attention to

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<v Speaker 2>Skype messages. All you have to do is just pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the live stream. There's no reason to get

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<v Speaker 2>mad over somebody dming you while you're live streaming, And

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<v Speaker 2>why would that make anyone who dms you demonic? Is

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<v Speaker 2>just bizarre, And nothing in the messages was out of

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<v Speaker 2>the norm. Every time I've ever messaged Shamoon or said anything,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always it's just direct, straightforward, no bs, no dancing around,

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<v Speaker 2>just straight up, Hey, I disagree with your take on

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<v Speaker 2>Protestant and Roman Catholic trinity models because you can't have

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<v Speaker 2>this doctrine without the energies. Well, again, that was just

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<v Speaker 2>way over the top. So you'll see here. Why this

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<v Speaker 2>is what was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually he just contacted me on Skype, so you guys

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<v Speaker 3>think he does in here?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, see this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>See what you did?

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<v Speaker 3>Jay? You can't control yourself? Now I wanna because they're

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<v Speaker 3>out here here you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't control myself. So just d I mean this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't control myself. I'm springing out medmonically.

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<v Speaker 4>Possessed right here.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess he needs attention and this fan girls are

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<v Speaker 3>pulling at them out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he thinks that I need the attention when again,

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<v Speaker 2>I brought him on the Alex Jones show. Now he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually gonna make a reference to that later and say

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm crazy conspiracy theorist when he went on.

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<v Speaker 1>The Alex Jones Show.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would mean he's also an insane lune conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>theorist before coming on the show that I invited him on.

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<v Speaker 3>Here it is, guys, let me show you right now

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<v Speaker 3>as I'm going live. I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>He wants to debate William and I William and I

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<v Speaker 3>here let me call him.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me see right here, does this look like demonic manifestation? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And the other masters.

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<v Speaker 2>The messages say we can even do it in a

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<v Speaker 2>friendly timed response way, like there's nothing It's the same

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<v Speaker 2>kind of reaction with Calvin Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the reason that this happened too is that

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<v Speaker 2>I talked for months with Sam about how to set

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<v Speaker 2>up the right roundtable, and he thinks they think that

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<v Speaker 2>because no one wants to interact or have anything to

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<v Speaker 2>do with William Albrick or Sam Shamun.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I didn't tell him this then what

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<v Speaker 1>hurt his feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other reason the other people don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>interact with all bragged is that they don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>interact with Sam Chamun. And that's all the people in

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<v Speaker 2>my circles. So no one else wanted to come on

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<v Speaker 2>this roundtable. And so I was trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>ways to set up the roundtable where we could have

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<v Speaker 2>me to a presentation and then separately all Brick do

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<v Speaker 2>a presentation. Well, I suggested that three or four times,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't guess. I guess that wasn't good enough

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<v Speaker 2>because no one wanted to interact with Albreck because Albreck

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<v Speaker 2>is a shady character that's fine, and because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>like Sam chumun so.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't tell him any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just left all that out and tried to organize it,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way I organized the Fresh.

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<v Speaker 1>And Fit thing to bring him on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what, like, what was a vast

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy for me all these years to get him, help

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<v Speaker 2>him out with nice interviews, big interviews, big spots, and

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<v Speaker 2>what it was all to go after him to because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm demonically possessed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just insane. It's like.

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<v Speaker 2>I disagreed with your take that Protestant and Roman Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>apologist and the pop sphere like Aiken or any of

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<v Speaker 2>those people that they any of them have very good

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<v Speaker 2>takes on the Trinity. And so I asked simply four

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<v Speaker 2>a timed response debate on my channel. Now, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to play a eclip in a minutego where he lost

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<v Speaker 2>his mind tonight and said some really insane stuff which

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<v Speaker 2>makes me worried about him. And you're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>that he doesn't even seem to be aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>energy's doctrine, which is odd because he's out here teaching

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<v Speaker 2>the Trinity, debating all these topics, and then he plays

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<v Speaker 2>a victim on his stream and says that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>ask a person who's new to all this to come

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<v Speaker 2>to debate. Well, then why are you teaching? If you're

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<v Speaker 2>new to all this, you've got to be being catechized.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a problem I'm gonna get to with

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<v Speaker 2>Shamun here in a second. I've got five main issues

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<v Speaker 2>with what the problem is with Sam Shimun, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably not what you think. I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 2>after him on a personal level. I don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of stuff that people who don't really

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<v Speaker 2>have any anything solid to stand on, that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>go after. I'm going to point out what I think

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<v Speaker 2>is the actual issue here, and it really has nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with intellect or doctrines or dogmas or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. It has to do with being willing to

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<v Speaker 2>go into the catechumen.

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<v Speaker 1>It that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think he's pretty much expressed that he would

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<v Speaker 2>rather go to a Catholic church because quote, they give

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<v Speaker 2>him communion. Well that doesn't I mean, that doesn't prove

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<v Speaker 2>that it's the true church because they will give you

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<v Speaker 2>the communion. His other arguments for why he's Catholic are

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<v Speaker 2>things like miraculous meetings, of other Roman Catholics or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that proves Roman Catholicism. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if I met a bunch of you know, Satanists in

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<v Speaker 2>the next week with that miraculously providentially, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>series of almost charismatic level stuff, and we're actually going

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<v Speaker 2>his bizarre idea that dust particles that fly across his

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<v Speaker 2>camera are miraculous presences and appearances, which yes, he actually

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<v Speaker 2>believes that. And now people are sent running from the debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you say, I offered multiple times for them to

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<v Speaker 2>come and do a timed debate, and they said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you come to Williams channel right now. Well, I was

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<v Speaker 2>on a podcast earlier tonight, as you can see. With

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, I don't have time to go to Williams's channel.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've spent months and years in the past trying

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<v Speaker 2>to debate and set up debates with William Albrecht, and

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<v Speaker 2>so if they're not willing to accept a debate where

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<v Speaker 2>there's timed responses. What's the point and what's the point

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<v Speaker 2>of debating a person who himself can't debate or defend

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<v Speaker 2>his positions. He's got to bring in his handler. But

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<v Speaker 2>I told him he can come debate too, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want that. Now, let me show you what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. So here's the rest of what he says.

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<v Speaker 3>Do tried to respect? Now barking and manifesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Barking and manifesting, asking you to come have this discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Barking.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's barking and manifesting. So you noticed that anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who disagrees this guy thinks is demonically possessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he may actually believe this.

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<v Speaker 2>And what that suggests to me is like there's something

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<v Speaker 2>going on, Like he actually thinks that everything that's happening

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<v Speaker 2>someone couldn't just disagree with him or even just get

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<v Speaker 2>angry with him. If somebody gets angry with you, do

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<v Speaker 2>you immediately assume that they're demonically possessed. It's just bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not true, but it might be a

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<v Speaker 2>think that probably that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that to humiliate him, because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not interested in going into this whole thing, as

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna see. Like when I tried to reach out

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<v Speaker 2>again tonight to set up a debate, he just went

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<v Speaker 2>off the hook. So I don't think this is a

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<v Speaker 2>person that you can be reasonable with. So but and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>What right here, right here, sir, So don't lie for

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<v Speaker 3>him because he's been trying to trying to get my attention.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm live. I'm thinking, Okay, some other time, we'll do it,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, So no, you fangirls. Shots fired.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he got mad because he messaged me in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of this and he said, why are you

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<v Speaker 2>sending your minions into my chat? I've never sent minions

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<v Speaker 2>into chats. I don't have the time or the energy

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<v Speaker 2>interest in doing that. That's just the way the internet works.

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<v Speaker 2>People will come and talk smack and then strategize and

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<v Speaker 2>strategize and tell.

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<v Speaker 5>Go get him, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I just put it publicly, right, So, at this point

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<v Speaker 2>I posted the public question, why don't you guys both

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<v Speaker 2>come and have a debate.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not going to be on his time, so he

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<v Speaker 3>can simmer it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, wait a minute, Shamoon always demands everyone come to

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<v Speaker 2>his stream, and then when I offer for both of

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<v Speaker 2>them to come to my stream, I didn't say it

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<v Speaker 2>had to be right then. I just said, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>want to come on. So he's making it like I

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<v Speaker 2>demanded at the initial offer that he has to come

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<v Speaker 2>on right now or today.

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<v Speaker 1>I never said that. I just said, do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to set up a friendly timed response, That's all

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<v Speaker 2>it said. I said it would be good to do

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<v Speaker 2>it timed so that people don't talk over each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's saying, oh, he just wants attention, demanding that

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<v Speaker 2>I do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no demand, so don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Be lying about him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one who did.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't usually call this guy out, but I guess

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<v Speaker 3>he's getting too big for his riches.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, anyway, right, so because he's got clips channels that

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<v Speaker 2>have spread his clips, he thinks I'm jealous of him,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have to call him out because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any other way to get attention or to get

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<v Speaker 2>an audience. So it's not like I host a giant

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<v Speaker 2>show or write for another giant show.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I only can get clips by fussing with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's like King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're telling me this is not a demonic attack,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll say, he's using him. We're focusing on Christ,

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<v Speaker 3>glorifying Christ. He manifests. But I'm glad you exposed it.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, nothing else happened other than me asking him

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<v Speaker 2>another question. I said, what are you getting mad about?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just asking you to set up a time debate,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's demonic manifestation. So it's almost like a

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<v Speaker 2>cult leader where it's like dming a person during a

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<v Speaker 2>stream and he loses his mind as if this is

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<v Speaker 2>some giant personal attack. All I said was I disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with your take on Protestant and Roal macalvol Trinity models.

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<v Speaker 2>That was it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's all it takes is you're now demonically possessed

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<v Speaker 2>and working to undermine him. When what I cooked you

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<v Speaker 2>up with a fresh and fit, massive debate. But now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm demonically possessed for daring to message you during a

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<v Speaker 2>live stream. I mean it's just I mean, okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. He has a pet peeve that I understand

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<v Speaker 2>this now, but why don't you just assume that, like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not, everybody knows that that's your pet peeve? Right

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<v Speaker 2>to get message during a live stream.

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<v Speaker 1>I get messages all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I get mad about it and cuss the people out

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<v Speaker 2>because they messaged me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dare you you?

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<v Speaker 2>Dem Sagon sent you to message me during your laws dream?

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<v Speaker 3>Because now shots are fired? Okay now, and you guys

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<v Speaker 3>know I didn't shot shoot right, I didn't fire shots. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's good now for the rest of it. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're listening, because Satan wants us, Satan wants us to

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<v Speaker 3>be distracted, don't be distracted. No, his fangirls came manifesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I blocked him. Guess I guess he's like calling out William.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be he's lied calling out William. How is calling

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<v Speaker 2>out William to debate a lie? That doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 3>He distracted focus because in the midst of my stream

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<v Speaker 3>to call us out. Yeah, we're gonna drop everything, Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna drop Yeah, we're gonna drop you in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say anything about leaving your stream to the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I just ask you if you'd like to set it up,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is not true. He's acting like I demanded

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<v Speaker 2>that he stop his stream and come to baby. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a simple message to set up this debate or

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<v Speaker 2>this discussion, which is the same message I sent tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see how.

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<v Speaker 1>He reacted when we set it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't worry about it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the reason that he's acting this

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<v Speaker 2>way is because he doesn't want this to date.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to poison.

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<v Speaker 2>The well and be so nasty that I won't debate,

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<v Speaker 2>so that he will say that I'm a coward. When

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<v Speaker 2>if he was actually disinterested in the truth, why wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>he just have this discussion anyway? Why wouldn't he come

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<v Speaker 2>and have the discussion with time responses? There was no

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<v Speaker 2>need for all of this. But one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>that this kind of person does this is that it's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to not have the debate by being so

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<v Speaker 2>nasty and then accuse the people who don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>interact with you as if they're totally scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might say, oh, but Jay, you make jokes

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<v Speaker 1>about people. Will you do this?

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<v Speaker 2>You do that when I operate on asking people to

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<v Speaker 2>come to a debate. It's always professional. I just simply

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<v Speaker 2>sent very brief, very clear, precise messages, would you like

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<v Speaker 2>to set up a debate on this? And everybody knows this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing it for years. There's no screaming, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no meltdowns, there's no crying, there's none of this that

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<v Speaker 2>happens in informal debates where it's open for him, where

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<v Speaker 2>people call in to challenge me. It's different from a

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<v Speaker 2>formal debate setting where you have time responses.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, not on your time, take it easy. But you

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<v Speaker 3>see here it says on his robe, and honest.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nothing about that he has to do it

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<v Speaker 2>on my time. It was just an ask asking him

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<v Speaker 2>to come and do it. You could do it a

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<v Speaker 2>week from now.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he has name. He has a name inscribed King

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<v Speaker 3>of Kings and Lord of lords. So you're saying Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>manifested by coming and disrupting a service that's about Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>Christ and glorifying him. That's what satan your father does

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<v Speaker 3>manifest to distract you, stupid horror. See the demons.

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<v Speaker 2>So because someone asked him to debate in a DM,

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<v Speaker 2>the demons are sending people and everyone's a stupid horror.

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<v Speaker 2>It literally makes me no, It's like it makes no

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<v Speaker 2>sense at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Manifesting. Okay, now everyone else getting it? Everyone listening, Everyone listening.

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<v Speaker 3>I need you to focus, get rid of these trolls now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want you to get distracted. Do you guys

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<v Speaker 3>see demonic. I'm in the midst of a session and

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<v Speaker 3>the guy manifests good, I'm glad God exposed you. It's

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<v Speaker 3>time to take you out first Corinthian six two to three.

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<v Speaker 2>So that this is his attitude when someone dms him

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a live stream, it's demonic manifestation. It's time

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<v Speaker 2>for him to take him out. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just literally insane. This is like a mentally unstable person.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like, where did I ever say anything negative,

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<v Speaker 2>critical at all, rude or anything, But I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>was always completely respectful to him. And he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>any evidence of any of that, by the way, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's me talking, smack me even being rude, critical of

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<v Speaker 2>him at all. All he has is that I told

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<v Speaker 2>him that no one wants to interact with William Albrick,

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<v Speaker 2>and he thinks that's a gotcha that people are scared

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<v Speaker 2>of al Breck.

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<v Speaker 3>He's working in Dude. Hey, Jay, your boys came to

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<v Speaker 3>my live stream calling me out. So I'm thinking you're

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<v Speaker 3>sending them. I'm trying to keep love with you and

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<v Speaker 3>work with you, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell them to so again, this weird paranoia that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sending people to his livestream chat. Like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to join his channel and wait five hours

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<v Speaker 2>to chat anyway, Like, you can't just join the channel

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<v Speaker 2>in chat, So I don't know where he's I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is bizarre, right, It's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Stop go to my comments section. They're calling him out

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<v Speaker 3>as if I'm afraid. Come on, Jay, keep it real

423
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<v Speaker 3>between us. I got your back, dude, come on all

424
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<v Speaker 3>right anyway, by zu, I know you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 3>They're coming because they're hearing you mention it because they

426
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<v Speaker 3>didn't hear it on my stream. So tell them. Stop

427
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<v Speaker 3>being used of the devil. Bro anyway, gotta get back

428
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<v Speaker 3>to the stream. Love you, take care.

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<v Speaker 2>So how so I'm demonically possessed. I'm an agent of

430
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<v Speaker 2>the devil. He thinks I'm sending people to a stream

431
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.519
<v Speaker 2>and then he's like, love you, bro, anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>See the Lord dot Com.

433
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<v Speaker 3>See, so he did shots fired, right, it's manifesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, good, that's.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Right, right.

436
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<v Speaker 2>So what I took issue with was in the stream

437
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<v Speaker 2>he says that the Protestants are killing it on the

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<v Speaker 2>Trinity because they go to the Angel the Lord in

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<v Speaker 2>the Old Testament. And I understand that he was saying

440
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<v Speaker 2>that they're doing better in that domain than the Roman

441
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<v Speaker 2>Catholic apologists, who don't want to talk about the Trinity

442
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<v Speaker 2>of the Old Testament because they have a pretty bad theology.

443
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<v Speaker 2>But that wasn't what I was taken issue with. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>taking issue with the idea that either the Protestant or

445
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<v Speaker 2>the Roman Catholic trinitarian model are correct. I believe they're

446
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<v Speaker 2>both wrong, and I think that you can demonstrate that

447
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<v Speaker 2>not just in terms of the monarchia and how that's

448
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<v Speaker 2>central too orthodox Trinitarian theology, especially from Constantin up On

449
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<v Speaker 2>one of the Cappadocians, but also the Energy's doctrine, which

450
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<v Speaker 2>is concomitant with that monarchical trinitarian doctrine of the Cappadocians.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the Eastern Fathers in the Eastern Councils dogmatize

452
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<v Speaker 2>the Energy's doctrine. But he doesn't even know that the

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<v Speaker 2>energy's doctrine is in the New Testament. As I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to show you when he starts, as he says, barking

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<v Speaker 2>about the energy's doctrine itself.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to call him out to Dorian. You had

457
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<v Speaker 3>me there. That's why his fangirls are manifesting. I feel

458
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 3>bad for you Orthodox brothers and sisters, seriously.

459
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<v Speaker 2>So if you're Orthodox, you're just my fan girl. Even

460
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<v Speaker 2>though how does he know that the profiles asking him

461
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<v Speaker 2>to debate are necessarily Orthodox, And maybe they're a bunch

462
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<v Speaker 2>of Roman Catholics, maybe they're Wagner's fans, maybe they're Protestants

463
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<v Speaker 2>who want to see this kind of a debate. He

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<v Speaker 2>just assumes that people in the chat are asking him,

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<v Speaker 2>that are asking him to debate are demonically possessed Orthodox people.

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<v Speaker 3>Orthodox Church is a glorious church, but when you got

467
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<v Speaker 3>people like this representing you, it's sad.

468
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<v Speaker 2>It really is so now because someone dared to take

469
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<v Speaker 2>issue with his bizarre idea that Roman Catholics, Orthodox and

470
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<v Speaker 2>Protestants all have good Trinitarian theology, which doesn't make any sense,

471
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<v Speaker 2>by the way, which is going to be the root

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<v Speaker 2>of his chief mistake. The idea that there's a Apostolic

473
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<v Speaker 2>Church that exists amongst a bunch of sects and different

474
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<v Speaker 2>schisms is complete nonsense and doesn't exist. There is no

475
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<v Speaker 2>Apostolic church that isn't a specific Apostolic church. So that

476
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<v Speaker 2>will get to in a moment, but will finish this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm being honest with you. It's like when a past

478
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<v Speaker 3>they prophet said, Luigi, if you're to judge Orthodoxy by

479
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 3>you guys online, he would never become Orthodox.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Shamoon critique David Wood because he said that you can't

481
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<v Speaker 2>make you can't make your Christianity anti Islam, right, and

482
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 2>we saw this with David Woodhu mean with Christian Prince.

483
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 2>Christian Prince was this goofball who doesn't know anything about

484
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<v Speaker 2>church history. He's never heard of Athenasians. He didn't know

485
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<v Speaker 2>who Athenasius was. But the extent of his Christianity and

486
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.920
<v Speaker 2>his catechisis was just anti Islam.

487
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 1>And you've got a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people, very low tier, very low information voters who

489
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<v Speaker 2>don't know church history, they don't know the actual theology.

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<v Speaker 2>They think that theologies is being anti Islam, and so

491
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<v Speaker 2>they convert to Jesus and that's step one. That's good,

492
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<v Speaker 2>but there's no Jesus ultimately without the church. Jesus set

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<v Speaker 2>up a church, not three thousand different conflicting ones, and

494
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<v Speaker 2>not five different rival quote Apostolic ones like he thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>And the amazing thing is that he even admits over

496
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<v Speaker 2>and over in his streams that the reason he's not

497
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<v Speaker 2>Orthodox is precisely that he would have to start over

498
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<v Speaker 2>and be catechized. And because the Roman Catholics give him communion,

499
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<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't prove, that doesn't show that it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because they give you communion, that's a terrible argument

501
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>and justification and other sort of emotive reasons that are

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<v Speaker 2>not good reasons, which again I think goes back to

503
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<v Speaker 2>this almost charismatic influence that we see with Sam Chamun.

504
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just over here manifest and Doll, I'm just.

505
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<v Speaker 1>Manifest and dog, okay, stop manifested.

506
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 2>And the problem is that he's not catechized. Okay, So

507
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<v Speaker 2>he just learned about Apostolic succession and the post Apostolic

508
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 2>fathers not too long ago, right, he was doing a

509
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>commentary on the stream that Trent Horn did. Trent Horn

510
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<v Speaker 2>talked about the Apostolic fathers in his debate and showed

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<v Speaker 2>that they teach Apostolic succession. So when Shamun reviews that,

512
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<v Speaker 2>he says, this is blowing my mind. This is blowing

513
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>my mind. So you didn't know that the abstotic fathers

514
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<v Speaker 2>have Apostolic succession.

515
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is like basics, right.

516
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<v Speaker 2>So you got a person who learned a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible as a Protestant, and learned a lot of

518
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Islamic arguments as a Protestant, and was a very proficient

519
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:43.480
<v Speaker 2>even as a Calvinist debater against Islam. But Christianity is

520
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<v Speaker 2>not Calvinism. It's not Protestantism, and it's not your made

521
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 2>up church of apostolic that exists among a bunch of

522
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 2>sex and splits and schisms. And he even defends mar Maury,

523
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 2>who created his own denomination. It doesn't make any sense.

524
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<v Speaker 2>So why is this. He doesn't know anything about the

525
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<v Speaker 2>divine energies, He doesn't know anything about Christology, he doesn't

526
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<v Speaker 2>know anything about the Patristic teaching and the Acumenical Council's teachings,

527
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>and so he's wandered into papism because he thinks that

528
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna make it easy for him and it's going

529
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<v Speaker 2>to give him a broader reach amongst the so called

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<v Speaker 2>Christian YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Audience or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you can make that decision if you want. But

533
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<v Speaker 2>the problem is that the papacy itself is a spiritual delusion.

534
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.319
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to show you that we're going to do.

535
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna look at William Aubrecks's terrible argumentation about the papacy,

536
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>how low tier it is. But again, the key point

537
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<v Speaker 2>is that sam Chimun has no teaching blessing. No one

538
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>becomes a teacher that's self appointed. It doesn't exist. In fact,

539
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 2>even in the Roman Catholic world, it's not really supposed

540
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<v Speaker 2>to exist. I mean, in today's Romancatholic world, nobody cares

541
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>about it. They can do whatever they want. But you

542
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<v Speaker 2>cannot be a self appointed teacher. You have to be

543
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<v Speaker 2>cold to teach or given a blessing to teach. And

544
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<v Speaker 2>this is a basic principle Hebrews five.

545
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<v Speaker 1>As you guys know, for.

546
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<v Speaker 2>Every high priest taken from among men, is appointed for

547
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<v Speaker 2>men and things that pertain to God. He may offer

548
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>both sacrifices gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can have

549
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<v Speaker 2>compassion on those who are ignorant goes stray because he

550
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<v Speaker 2>himself is also subject to weaknesses.

551
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<v Speaker 1>But because of this.

552
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<v Speaker 2>He's required as for the people, so as for himself

553
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<v Speaker 2>to offer sacrifices for sins. No one takes this honor

554
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<v Speaker 2>of priesthood and teaching, etc. On themselves, but they are

555
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<v Speaker 2>cold to it. What bishop, priest or authority has actually

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<v Speaker 2>called Sam Shamun to his parachurch ministry. Now I don't

557
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<v Speaker 2>personally have a big deal with people debating or this

558
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<v Speaker 2>or that. The problem is that Sam Chimun presents himself

559
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<v Speaker 2>as having this ministry right. And it doesn't matter that

560
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>you defeat Muslims in a debate. That's not what makes

561
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<v Speaker 2>the ministry valid. The question is who appointed you to

562
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<v Speaker 2>have ministry? Who appointed you.

563
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<v Speaker 1>To have that?

564
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>You have to be under some authority. But nobody knows

565
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.800
<v Speaker 2>what priest, bishop, or what blessing from the episcopacy was

566
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>given to Sam Chamun to have a public ministry. It's

567
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>just self appointed, like many of the online YouTube crowd.

568
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<v Speaker 2>Just like Christian Prince who has no church, who has

569
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<v Speaker 2>no blessing, Sam Schimun's church is the one that he's

570
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<v Speaker 2>invented in his head. That is quote Apostolic meaning Oriental,

571
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Assyrian Church of the East, Roman Catholic and Orthodox, and

572
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 2>apparently also many Protestants that he just happens to like

573
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that week. They're all somehow part of the Apostolic Church.

574
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<v Speaker 2>But if you go back to the Niceno Constantpolitan Creed,

575
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<v Speaker 2>when the Kappadocians who wrote the Creed and compile that

576
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>creed put one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, what do

577
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 2>you think they meant? Do you think that when they

578
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<v Speaker 2>wrote that they meant the Novationists. Did they mean the

579
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<v Speaker 2>schismatics of that time? Did they mean the Eunomians? They

580
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<v Speaker 2>meant that there is one canonical visible church structure, and

581
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<v Speaker 2>that one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church is the only one,

582
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<v Speaker 2>and the church fathers unanimously clearly teach that any heresy

583
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<v Speaker 2>or schism is a leaving of that body. There are

584
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<v Speaker 2>no schisms in a literal sense, in the sense of

585
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<v Speaker 2>two churches churches out of communion right excommunicating one another,

586
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<v Speaker 2>that are still the church.

587
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't exist.

588
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<v Speaker 2>And so because he doesn't understand Christology, he has a

589
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Nestorian ecclesiology, where Christ exists amongst divided excommunicated thousand plus

590
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>year splits is Christ divided? Paul says, So Sam Schmoun

591
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 2>has a Calvinist invisible church ecclesiology. Still, he's an ecclesiological heretic.

592
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<v Speaker 2>That's the main problem right here, because for him to

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<v Speaker 2>admit that there is a single canonical church that he

594
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<v Speaker 2>would be under the authority of would mean that he'd

595
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<v Speaker 2>have to be recatechized, and he just simply doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. So it is at root of pride issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to tell you that you shouldn't listen

598
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<v Speaker 2>to him, not because he's wrong about Islam or something

599
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>like that, but he's just a self appointed guy who

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<v Speaker 2>claims to have sort of miraculous weird I don't even

601
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<v Speaker 2>know what it is like miracles happen that confirm his

602
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>quote ministry. What are the miracles and things that he

603
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 2>claims prove his ministry? Dust flying across his screen what

604
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 2>he calls orbs.

605
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<v Speaker 3>Bless our brother, preserve him in a family, and healed

606
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.039
<v Speaker 3>our hearts in us phenomena watch it, he answered the

607
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<v Speaker 3>way I will.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the funny thing is that I didn't even see

609
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<v Speaker 2>a dust orb in that video. But again he thinks

610
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<v Speaker 2>that dust orbs. He's not joking. By the way, this

611
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>is actually on his channel and he's got multiple ORB videos.

612
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<v Speaker 1>Let's see another one.

613
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<v Speaker 2>While this ORB is incredible, So a dust particle flies by.

614
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<v Speaker 2>He thinks that angels are flying around in his dirty

615
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.599
<v Speaker 2>ass kitchen right with his dunkin donuts.

616
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<v Speaker 1>Nasty ass.

617
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<v Speaker 2>The reason that you have health issues is your diet, dude,

618
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>all your dunkin Donuts, garbage food you got in there,

619
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 2>and your cereal boxes or whatever garbage you're eating.

620
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 1>That's why you have diet issues. Bro.

621
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<v Speaker 2>It's not doing cardio. But he's too boomer. He doesn't

622
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 2>even know about diets. He thinks doing cardios. What makes

623
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:32.280
<v Speaker 2>you thin? No, dude, it's none of that. Oh look

624
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 2>another orb. This is a winged ORB according to Sam Chamun.

625
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll be the bad copy.

626
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<v Speaker 2>So winged ORB a piece of dust or a reflection.

627
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that dirty ass apartment just needs to be cleaned up, bro,

628
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you need to vacuum that dirty ass apartment. What's

629
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 2>more likely that there's a jos flying around that nasty

630
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 2>kitchen or he just needs to vacuum. What's more likely?

631
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 2>These aren't jokes either way. Like he actually thinks here's

632
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:15.639
<v Speaker 2>his fan base.

633
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 1>I saw one of them live.

634
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 2>I saw one of them orbs live when you was

635
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 2>at that hotel.

636
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>God is surely with you. You look at this chick

637
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 1>presence of angels. The veil is thin or almost home.

638
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, this is what we're talking about here, orbs

639
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>miraculous dust, orbs that proved the ministry of Sam Chamun.

640
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 3>All right, anyway, he's manifesting because I guess he wants

641
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 3>our numbers and our fame.

642
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't have Sam Chamun fame.

643
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm jealous.

644
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Later on he'll say that I wrote a conspiracy book

645
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 2>because I don't have enough money. I don't write books

646
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 2>for money, dude, Like the books don't make any money.

647
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah see, So there you go. So you made a

648
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.920
<v Speaker 3>community post. You see see that, Arthur Christos, There you go,

649
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 3>you guys man, you do a lot of damage to

650
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.400
<v Speaker 3>the church. Okay, now another one.

651
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 1>What church Sam?

652
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Would that be the Assyrian Church of the East. Would

653
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 2>that be the Anglican sect? Would that be the Roman

654
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Catholic Communion? Would that be the Coptic to the Tawahda?

655
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 2>What is the church? So you see, the whole point

656
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>is that he doesn't have the church. He's missed the

657
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 2>very thing that what three weeks ago when he talked

658
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>about the Trent Horns, like he just learned that the

659
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.199
<v Speaker 2>post topsuck fathers teach I saw a succession, or that

660
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 2>he had never seen these quotes before. So what are

661
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>you going to do when you get to the energies

662
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>in the sixth Council when you learn that.

663
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Let's hammer this Isaiah forty See, the Lord God comes

664
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 3>with Mike and his arm rules for him. So you

665
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 3>can't stop. Guys, Look, you can't stop. He's got a

666
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 3>chim in say, because he wants to be used of

667
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.840
<v Speaker 3>the devil. You see, guys, watch, I can't stop, and

668
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm always listening.

669
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 2>I want to be used as the double Dead. The

670
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.079
<v Speaker 2>only reason I would contact you is because I want

671
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to be used of the.

672
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Devil, Like because he wants to be used of the devil.

673
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 3>This is crazy, ha ha, No, Jay, you're not manifesting.

674
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at this guy. I asked him in

675
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.559
<v Speaker 2>the comments. I was like, what do you mean I'm manifesting.

676
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I was like, because I asked you a question.

677
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, keep manifesting. I know I'm your in your head.

678
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Take it easy. I know I own you. In time,

679
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:47.719
<v Speaker 3>I'll do to you what I did on your discord

680
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:48.320
<v Speaker 3>with the cannon.

681
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 2>You didn't do anything on the on the cannon. You

682
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>actually believe the position that I argued. Now, so he's

683
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 2>referring to this this discord argument we had about the cannon,

684
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>which is ironic because he now believes the position I

685
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:04.159
<v Speaker 2>was arguing for. He doesn't believe the Protestant position on

686
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 2>the canon, so he thinks that he won this stupid

687
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 2>argument from seven years ago that he now believes the

688
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 2>opposite of the thing I was arguing. He was arguing

689
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the Protestant canon. I was arguing the Orthodox Canon. He

690
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:22.639
<v Speaker 2>now believes the Catholic Orthodox Canon. So this is nonsense, patience,

691
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 2>all right, anyway, this is actually I think this is

692
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 2>literally an insane person. I actually think he's just literally

693
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>just nuts. And the reason I say that's not because

694
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm mad or that I like when I play you

695
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>what he says about the Energies, it makes no sense

696
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 2>because he argued for the Theophanes against Wagner and the Tomists,

697
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 2>and then he's going to make fun of the Energies.

698
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>It's like he doesn't even know that the only way

699
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>to have the theophany is is the energy doctrine. It's weird, yep.

700
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I think that there's like something off

701
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:01.679
<v Speaker 2>with this guy, like he's off. He doesn't even see that.

702
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Seven years ago you were arguing the Protestant canon. I

703
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>was arguing the Orthodox Catholic canon. You now have that position.

704
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 2>How did you defeat me in that discord debate?

705
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:21.360
<v Speaker 3>It's stupid, be radical, Thomass. Okay, see the Lord God

706
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.559
<v Speaker 3>comes with Mike and here we go, guys. Yeah, I'm manifesting.

707
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Guys.

708
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 3>Look here you go. See every time see tell me

709
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 3>sing's not working. Brother, I'm I'm un alive.

710
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:31.719
<v Speaker 4>Man.

711
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Here you go, Jay, here you want.

712
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Here, here's the demonic possession. I'm always straight up, I'm manifesting.

713
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm asking you to debate, and I said, we're going dude,

714
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's just insane.

715
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 3>All right, Brother? I love you, Jay, I love you, Jay,

716
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 3>swear I love you. I love you.

717
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Matt to notice this perform of nonsense? Does he even?

718
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>It's like there's two different sam Chamuns, Right, There's like

719
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 2>the sam Shamun that loves you and is patient and

720
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of nice with you and then suddenly there's this

721
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.119
<v Speaker 2>like one is screaming and cussing and like calling you.

722
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 1>This and that and again.

723
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:23.079
<v Speaker 2>The issue is that you can't actually overcome a lot

724
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>of these issues without the aid of the grace that's

725
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 2>uncreated in the Orthodox Church. So the sad part is

726
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 2>that the very thing that he is mocking, I'm going

727
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>to show you where he starts mocking the divine energies.

728
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the very thing that would heal him and that

729
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>he needs. But that's the thing that he's gonna mock,

730
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>which is really weird and bizarre.

731
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Because of the post you posted, brother, I love you, man,

732
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 3>I swear I do love you. You posted that post because

733
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 3>you must.

734
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>So I'm demonically possessed. I'm like totally jealous of him.

735
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Never said anything bad about him ever. All I did

736
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>was ask him to set up a public debate, which,

737
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 2>by the way, we've already been talking about doing right,

738
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>setting up something with me, him and Albrecht and other

739
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>people for months. And I'm the worst. Oh, but I

740
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 2>love you and you're really great and by the way,

741
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.679
<v Speaker 2>been respectful for you. Blah blah blah. It's just it

742
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense.

743
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I said, you won't stop texting me. Brother, I'm in

744
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 3>a live stream, and.

745
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.480
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to answer your phone on a live stream.

746
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Nobody is forcing you to debate or answer your phone

747
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:35.039
<v Speaker 2>on live stream. So this radical swing between as you

748
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 2>can see here, between I love you, I love you, bro,

749
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>You're the great yeah, blah blah blah, We've been great

750
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 2>friends blah bah blah to just pure hatred. That's bipolar,

751
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 2>that's a manic bipolar.

752
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.480
<v Speaker 3>And the guys are coming here and say, when do

753
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 3>you go to bate jay For the love of our

754
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 3>god Jay, let me finish, brother, let me finish what

755
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing. I know you're listening. Let me get to

756
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 3>my stuff. Let me get ahold of William because you

757
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:00.920
<v Speaker 3>guys the experts on.

758
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 2>So somebody's saying that Sam Shamun has talked about his

759
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.719
<v Speaker 2>mental health issues. I wasn't even aware of this, so

760
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what this is new to me. What

761
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>exactly does he say? I don't even know what are

762
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>his issues. Somebody that actually knows, can you enlighten me?

763
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Because that would actually make things a lot more sensible.

764
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I would like if he does have actual bipolar issues

765
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>and medicine that he takes. Maybe that would make more sense.

766
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I would understand these issues.

767
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be learning as we're going to. Please

768
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 3>be patient, brother, I love you. I swear I'll even

769
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 3>go to Turkey and get a hair transplant if it'll

770
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 3>make you happy. So I don't look as fat and

771
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.159
<v Speaker 3>ugly and I don't have a gay list like.

772
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've never commented on his appearance or said

773
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 2>anything negative about him. But you notice that he immediately

774
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 2>starts talking about this like there's some sort of rivalry

775
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>or in be like because I have hair.

776
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Or something I don't. I don't know what he'd like.

777
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe bald people are just typically rage induced, like they're

778
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>mad at the people that have hair, Like who even cares? Dude,

779
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.719
<v Speaker 2>don't care whether you got hair or whether you're bald,

780
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.320
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter to me. But he's He's brought this

781
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 2>up a lot, and I've always just took it like

782
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:21.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's joking, but maybe he actually like has a thing,

783
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>like he feels what intimidated because people have hair.

784
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:27.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Jimmy White, And I promise you I

785
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 3>won't wear Cosby sweaters. I promise you.

786
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me finish.

787
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Please let me finish, Broker, nobody's making you look at

788
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>your phone like all you gotta do is like turn

789
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>your screen off or put the phone in the other room.

790
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Like what are you talking about?

791
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 3>He's done broke me, man? It done broke me man,

792
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.519
<v Speaker 3>bro he doesn't broke me man, by the way is

793
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 3>avery life?

794
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 4>He breaks were?

795
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>All right?

796
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:09.639
<v Speaker 4>He breaks me man.

797
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the hell's going on? Guys, what's

798
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 3>going on this this lent season?

799
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 5>Bro? What is going on?

800
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.159
<v Speaker 3>Do you see the attacks? Damn?

801
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 5>Can I gotta break?

802
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 1>All right? So that's enough of that. I mean, I

803
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 1>don't even what is what? What is he talking about? Attacks?

804
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Like asking you to come and have a debate in

805
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.880
<v Speaker 2>a timed way. It's not an attack. So it's just

806
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 2>weird man, bizarre. Now I want to go over to

807
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:46.079
<v Speaker 2>this because this was so Later on tonight, after all this,

808
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I sent him another message that was not rude. It

809
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 2>was just straight up like do you want to come

810
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>on and set this up? And here's his response.

811
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 4>We're gonna call you all. We're gonna get you. Don't

812
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 4>worry boy, Now, girl, get some more energies.

813
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.400
<v Speaker 2>They will help you get more energies.

814
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they'll help you. It's like he doesn't even.

815
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 4>Like I said, thanks for the receipt, queer bait. I'm

816
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 4>gonna show them who ran from William? Down? Girl, ape down,

817
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 4>keep following. Good, We're gonna call you out. We're gonna

818
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 4>get you. Don't worry about it. Down girl, get some

819
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:32.679
<v Speaker 4>more energies.

820
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe will help you get more energies.

821
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:45.239
<v Speaker 3>You like I said, thanks for the received queer bait.

822
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna show them who ran from William. Damn girl,

823
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:53.079
<v Speaker 4>kelb a note down, Keep following.

824
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna call So there you go. So the the

825
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 2>energies he thinks are just something.

826
00:49:57.880 --> 00:49:59.559
<v Speaker 1>That you make fun of. It's like a joke.

827
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Maybe your divine energies will help you out. Does he

828
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>not know that this is fundamental to the New Testament,

829
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the doctrine of the divine energies. And for those who

830
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 2>are serious about the stuff, you could read an excellent

831
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:18.119
<v Speaker 2>book on that, which is doctor David Bradshaw's book, Divine

832
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Energies and Divine Action, and he has a great section

833
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 2>where he talks about that the energy's doctrine is essentially

834
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>something that comes from Scripture. It's not invented by the Cappadocians.

835
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.679
<v Speaker 2>It's not invented by Palamas, it's not invented by.

836
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Maximus the Confessor.

837
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 2>The doctrine of energies is literally the Pauline New Testament

838
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:43.360
<v Speaker 2>terminology innergaya erginon inergenon for how God is at work

839
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 2>in us and what we partake of, right, and he.

840
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Thinks it's something to laugh at.

841
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense, which makes me think that

842
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:56.280
<v Speaker 2>there's some sort of like bipolar manic sort of episode,

843
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:02.440
<v Speaker 2>which was triggered because initially asked him in DM to

844
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.480
<v Speaker 2>do a debate that made him upset, and then when

845
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he started saying that was demonically possessed and all this

846
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 2>weird stuff, then I said it publicly on the community post.

847
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>So as you can see, Uh, inner gaya is the

848
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:22.119
<v Speaker 2>working and the efficiency, uh, the superhuman power of God

849
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.559
<v Speaker 2>in time and space in us. Whether it's Ephesians three, seven,

850
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Colossians two, twelve, Colossians one twenty nine, Fijians one nineteen,

851
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Fijians four, sixteen, Philippians three twenty one, second, Thessalonians two nine,

852
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 2>second Dessolians two eleven. Uh, And there are other derivations

853
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.159
<v Speaker 2>of the word too, So there's also dunamas or power

854
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 2>and dunamas is also an equally important New Testament terminology

855
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:56.199
<v Speaker 2>use that is basically synonymous with the Orthodox doctrine of

856
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:03.159
<v Speaker 2>the uncreated energies of God. Now he doesn't know the

857
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Church fathers at all other than quote mining, so he's

858
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 2>not even aware of that. Basil's Letter two thirty four

859
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 2>is a classic text outlining what the Patristic doctrine of

860
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 2>the energies is. This is again everybody should know this.

861
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 2>If you're Orthodox, let me make it bigger.

862
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 1>So he thinks it's funny. I think that you just

863
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.280
<v Speaker 1>laugh at it. It's like you just the energy's.

864
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Doctrine is a joke or something, and hahaha, get your

865
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.639
<v Speaker 2>energies to come help you. Queer eight right, that's what

866
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 2>he says to me, which, by the way, I'm married,

867
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 2>so is he married?

868
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Calling me? I don't understand.

869
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you worship what you know or what you don't know?

870
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 2>If I say that I worship what I know, they

871
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>immediately say, what is the essence the object of worship?

872
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.039
<v Speaker 2>This is talking about the Eunomians. Then Youomians thought you

873
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.880
<v Speaker 2>could know and see and perceive and define the divine

874
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 2>essence I confess that I'm ignorant of the essence. They

875
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 2>turn to me and they say, so you worship what

876
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you don't know. I answer that the word to know

877
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.199
<v Speaker 2>has many meanings. You heard me say this a lot.

878
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>We say that we know the greatness of God, his wisdom,

879
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>his powers, goodness, his providence, and the justness of his judgments.

880
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.039
<v Speaker 2>But judgment but.

881
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Not his essence.

882
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.840
<v Speaker 2>The question therefore, only put forth for the sake of dispute, right,

883
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>is that we do not know the essence. But the

884
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:35.159
<v Speaker 2>operations come down to us. And that's the point of

885
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Basil's apologetic Here, these operations or attributes or energies. And

886
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.840
<v Speaker 2>when Basil writes this, the term he uses is inner gaya,

887
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the energies. He says, the inner gaya come down to us,

888
00:53:53.000 --> 00:54:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and those are the attributes or the operations. Right, And

889
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 2>in fact he even rebukes what you hear the Roman

890
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Catholics and the Thomas teach. Are all of these terms

891
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:11.800
<v Speaker 2>just names of essence? Besil says, that would be a reductio.

892
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Is there the same mutual force and his loving kindness,

893
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.239
<v Speaker 2>and his justice and his creative power, that they're all

894
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 2>just names of essence? For they confess that there's a

895
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 2>distinction between the essence and one of the attributes enumerated.

896
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:33.039
<v Speaker 2>The operations are various. He says that even the Unomians

897
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.760
<v Speaker 2>confess there's a distinction between the essence and the attributes.

898
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.840
<v Speaker 2>The operations are various, but the essence is simple. Operations

899
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 2>is innergaia. We know God from his energies, but we

900
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.960
<v Speaker 2>do not partake to approach near his essence. There you go,

901
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 2>And what does sam Chamun think about the energies? So

902
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the divine energies a fundamental New Testament doctrine.

903
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:02.800
<v Speaker 1>What does he think.

904
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 2>You get more energies?

905
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they'll help you, all right?

906
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:18.159
<v Speaker 2>So uh, final point then with him is just simply

907
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 2>that for him, there's no there's no Apostolic Church. In reality,

908
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.320
<v Speaker 2>there's an invisible Calvinist, invisible church that exists amongst all

909
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:35.719
<v Speaker 2>the ones that he calls Apostolic. That so called Apostolic

910
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:41.400
<v Speaker 2>church has no unified teaching on Christology, the energies, or

911
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:43.480
<v Speaker 2>any of the other crucial doctrines of the first thousand

912
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 2>years of Christianity. In fact, in his mind, you could

913
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.960
<v Speaker 2>go to an Anglican church that doesn't believe in energies

914
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.920
<v Speaker 2>onncreative grace. He could go to a Monophysite church that

915
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:56.360
<v Speaker 2>says something totally different, and you go to an Orthodox church.

916
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.239
<v Speaker 1>They're all the church, but there.

917
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Is no such thing as his made up church. Number two,

918
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.599
<v Speaker 2>His position doesn't make any sense if he's gonna mock

919
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and make fun of energies, when this was his whole

920
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:14.920
<v Speaker 2>point about rejecting the Thomists. The Thomasts were arguing that

921
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the Angel of the Lord has to be a created

922
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 2>hologram or a created being an angel, and so he

923
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>saw that theophanies a theophanies. Okay, but you don't have

924
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 2>theophanies without the essence sentery distinction. He doesn't even know this.

925
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.480
<v Speaker 2>So this is a person who doesn't know any Orthodox theology,

926
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.320
<v Speaker 2>is not catechized, he has no teaching, no authority, no blessing.

927
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.360
<v Speaker 2>So he's basically just still a Protestant.

928
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Is the issue.

929
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 2>And if you come to Orthodoxy, one of the things

930
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.039
<v Speaker 2>you have to learn is that it takes many years

931
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:51.519
<v Speaker 2>to get healed from Protestantism and Calvinism. And of course

932
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:56.159
<v Speaker 2>he comes out of a Calvinist background. So there's no

933
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 2>true church in his position. He has an historian in

934
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:05.400
<v Speaker 2>visible church ecclesiology. There's no consistent, coherent doctrine of Theophanes

935
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.519
<v Speaker 2>because he says that the energies are something to make

936
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.559
<v Speaker 2>fun of, which he doesn't understand is the only way

937
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to have Theophanes. There's no bishop or authority above him

938
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:19.360
<v Speaker 2>that keeps him in check or calls him out or

939
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.440
<v Speaker 2>has given him a blessing to have a quote ministry. Okay,

940
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'm talking about debating. He himself says it's a ministry.

941
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>And so he's still not catechized properly as an Orthodox person.

942
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.519
<v Speaker 2>He went directly from anti Islam to now I'm suddenly

943
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 2>made up Catholic church apologist ministry online. So he's in

944
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the same position as James White of self appointed public

945
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Speaker 2>teacher with no authority or oversight. And five, he has

946
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 2>bad reasons for remaining a Roman Catholic. They're all personal,

947
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 2>subjective reasons that he feels there's orbs that are surrounding

948
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:56.280
<v Speaker 2>him and that's telling him this and that, And he

949
00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.159
<v Speaker 2>has miraculous meetings with Roman Catholics telling him that he

950
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 2>needs to be Roman Catholic. And you know he feels

951
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>this and that those are not good reasons. Well, I

952
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.800
<v Speaker 2>can have communion at the Catholic Church and the Orthodox

953
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 2>won't give it to me. Well, maybe you need to

954
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:16.199
<v Speaker 2>be catechized and start the process, but that would require

955
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.800
<v Speaker 2>humility and abjuration of errors, and so you understand that

956
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.960
<v Speaker 2>what's the root issue here. The root issue is that

957
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.679
<v Speaker 2>you can't make up your own online church. You have

958
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.119
<v Speaker 2>to be under authority and you have to go through

959
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:35.719
<v Speaker 2>the process of being healed and have a change in

960
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.079
<v Speaker 2>your noetic faculties to be opened up to this new

961
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.920
<v Speaker 2>theology which has only had through the sacraments. And you

962
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.960
<v Speaker 2>cannot keep hatred and anger from your Calvinist days as

963
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:52.960
<v Speaker 2>your modus operandi of the Orthodox Church. Doesn't mean you

964
00:58:52.960 --> 00:59:00.760
<v Speaker 2>can't debate people, but the erratic, weird manifestations display some

965
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of healing that's needed and that can only happen

966
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 2>through having a spiritual Father that holds you in check

967
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and the sacraments.

968
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 1>In the Orthodox Church.

969
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>That's it, And this is why Roman Catholicism doesn't provide

970
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:18.000
<v Speaker 2>this healing. Roman Catholicism doesn't even have a noose doctrine.

971
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't believe in the heart. There's just the intellect

972
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 2>and the body. So he's unknowingly gone into a thing

973
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that ironically is the very opposite of the theology that

974
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 2>he's been arguing for the last however many decades or years.

975
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.639
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't even understand that Roman Catholic dogrine dogma. And

976
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 2>he thinks this because he's listening to an idiot. He

977
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 2>thinks that when Albrich tells him, he doesn't have to

978
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 2>believe this, or he can twist this and interpret it

979
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:47.800
<v Speaker 2>in some other way.

980
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:49.400
<v Speaker 1>No, no, you don't understand.

981
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:54.760
<v Speaker 2>And I've sent him this the issues about your attitude

982
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 2>in Roman Catholicism that you have to submit to the magisterium.

983
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Magisterium is not what you think it is.

984
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 2>So they're all going to be Protestants him and allbright

985
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 2>when they go into reading the magisterial texts and say.

986
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, I have to accept that. I don't have to

987
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.519
<v Speaker 1>do this because I've already been down this road. I've

988
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:11.840
<v Speaker 1>done the.

989
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholic thing. I know how it works, I know

990
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:19.480
<v Speaker 2>all of this Roman Catholic nonsense inside and out. The

991
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Church regards with esteem the Muslims. Does that sound like

992
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 2>sam Schimud? They adore the One God adoration in Catholic theology.

993
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.199
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't even know this is a term of worship

994
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the one God that lives and subsists in himself, merciful

995
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 2>and all powerful, the creator of having an earth. So

996
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.320
<v Speaker 2>notice that the very thing that he's argued all these

997
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:46.000
<v Speaker 2>years that Islam is Allah is the devil, Allah is all,

998
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Allah is all the demon God. Sam Schmud has said

999
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.719
<v Speaker 2>this a million times now. He's putting himself under the authority,

1000
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:58.079
<v Speaker 2>supposedly of a church that officially and dogmatically teaches that

1001
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Muslims and Christians adore the same one true God. In fact,

1002
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Muslims take pains to submit to God in his decrees,

1003
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:16.920
<v Speaker 2>just like Abraham did. So Muslims have the faith of Abraham,

1004
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.920
<v Speaker 2>according to Nostratate three. He doesn't know the Roman Catholic

1005
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.840
<v Speaker 2>dogmatic magister. He hasn't read Vatican Two, he hasn't read

1006
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:25.719
<v Speaker 2>the Council Trent, he hasn't read Denzinger.

1007
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:26.760
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't know any of this stuff.

1008
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.280
<v Speaker 2>And I've been trying to tell him for a few

1009
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 2>years now, warning him about this.

1010
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:35.679
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't care.

1011
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:39.679
<v Speaker 2>He would rather yell at Muslims on the Internet than

1012
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:42.880
<v Speaker 2>actually learn what the Roman Catholic positions actually are, and

1013
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Speaker 2>then fall back on Albrecht, who literally looks like a

1014
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 2>gay leather daddy biker guy. I mean, you can't make

1015
01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:09.159
<v Speaker 2>this up. H I mean, look at this, dude. It

1016
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 2>looks like a biker daddy, right, like leather daddy. There's

1017
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:19.360
<v Speaker 2>a certain picture I was looking for. He did a

1018
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 2>livestream recently where they used like an AI picture, which

1019
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm he thought. I think he thought it looked really cool,

1020
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:28.320
<v Speaker 2>but it actually looks like a leather daddy.

1021
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:48.599
<v Speaker 1>I'll show what I'm talking about. Oh, I don't see it.

1022
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:53.039
<v Speaker 1>But he should be.

1023
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.079
<v Speaker 2>He should be like the pastor of like a biker

1024
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:56.400
<v Speaker 2>church or something, you know what I mean.

1025
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:57.639
<v Speaker 1>That's like, that's his vibe.

1026
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:03.159
<v Speaker 2>And look, we know Albert doesn't know anything about philosophy,

1027
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't anything about metaphysics. All he does is bark about

1028
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm using their terminology, bark, bark, bark. All he does

1029
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:12.840
<v Speaker 2>is bark about church history and the papacy and what mary.

1030
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:14.719
<v Speaker 1>That's like, it's the only things he talks about.

1031
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:16.719
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to get into some of this defending

1032
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the papacy with our favorite over here is this loft

1033
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:34.360
<v Speaker 2>dog with our favorite loft dog. But before we do that,

1034
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:40.159
<v Speaker 2>one to remind you that it's not just no stratat

1035
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that talks about this relationship. It's also lumin Gentem sixteen.

1036
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:51.199
<v Speaker 2>So both of these texts are dogmatic official Vatican two teachings.

1037
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:58.280
<v Speaker 2>And if you're wondering why the manifestations that you're seeing,

1038
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 2>the real manifesting is because you can't accept these contradictory

1039
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:07.000
<v Speaker 2>positions and not go insane. Roman Catholics, I literally believe

1040
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:09.960
<v Speaker 2>they actually go insane the more that they know and

1041
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>understand and are exposed to what the papal teaching and

1042
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:19.119
<v Speaker 2>position actually is. And it says here the plan of

1043
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:22.840
<v Speaker 2>salvation also includes those that acknowledge the Creator, the first

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<v Speaker 2>of whom are the Muslims who profess to hold the

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01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:29.679
<v Speaker 2>faith of Abraham and along with us, adore the One

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01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and Merciful God. Now notice in the NO text it's

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01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 2>said that they do submit to God's decree just like Abraham.

1048
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Because Roman Catholics say, well, it doesn't say they have it,

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01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:45.000
<v Speaker 2>says they profess to have it.

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01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:45.480
<v Speaker 3>No.

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01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.960
<v Speaker 2>In Roman Catholic theology, adoration is a worship term. So

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01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Muslims worship the One True God, and that's all premised

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01:04:55.119 --> 01:05:00.000
<v Speaker 2>on natural theology in the Roman Catholic Church. Roman Church

1054
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:05.360
<v Speaker 2>which has dogmatized here, for example, this generic theism of

1055
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:09.159
<v Speaker 2>an Old Testament Unitarian God. That's how they came to

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01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:19.280
<v Speaker 2>this conclusion. This is how the papacy has built an

1057
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Abrahamic faith Center in Abu Dhabi, which has already opened,

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01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:31.639
<v Speaker 2>where Islam, Judaism and Christianity all can gather in terms

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01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:35.599
<v Speaker 2>of human fraternity in Abu Dhabi to honor the One

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01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Living God, the very thing that Noser Tate three in

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01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Lumgentium sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Say.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if this doesn't tell you that this church no

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01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:52.679
<v Speaker 2>longer professes the trinitarian theology of the first thousand years

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01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:57.719
<v Speaker 2>of Christianity and the Old and New Testaments, there's really

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01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:59.320
<v Speaker 2>nothing else that would convince you.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem in Rome. And it's not just well that

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01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:06.719
<v Speaker 1>doesn't count. It's not dogma. No, Actually, Vatican two is dogma.

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01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Do you know that any Catholic church that you go

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01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:13.039
<v Speaker 2>to in the world you are expected to believe Vatican Two.

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01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:19.639
<v Speaker 2>There's no Roman Catholic churches that will tell you Vatican

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01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Two is optional. In fact, the Catholic Catechism, the Catechism

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01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:27.920
<v Speaker 2>of the Catholic Church, is filled with citations from Vatican Two.

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01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Why would that be optional? On what basis is it optional.

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01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:35.800
<v Speaker 2>It's not optional. You don't have an option to believe

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01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.960
<v Speaker 2>it or not. In fact, there are five places in

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01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Catholic dogma that tell you not only do you have

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01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:46.280
<v Speaker 2>to believe the ex cathedral statements, you also have to

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01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:50.840
<v Speaker 2>believe all the things that are normative ordinary teaching in

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01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the Church. And even if you think it's wrong, even

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01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:58.280
<v Speaker 2>if it's not quote infallible, you're supposed to submit to it.

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01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:04.639
<v Speaker 2>With Docility's canon law on the Romancally Church. But this

1083
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 2>is exactly why these people's pope, including sam Shimun's new

1084
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.960
<v Speaker 2>spiritual leader, goes in praise towards Mecca.

1085
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:13.599
<v Speaker 1>In the mosques.

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01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.159
<v Speaker 2>And not just crazy Frank Benedict the sixteenth the so

1087
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:26.440
<v Speaker 2>called trad did the exact same thing. So imagine trying

1088
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.800
<v Speaker 2>to convince people for however many decades of how bad

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01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Islam is, and then you're going into an entity whose

1090
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:40.280
<v Speaker 2>infallible divine terrorism head goes in praise in moss towards

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01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Mecca and builds giant Abu Dhabi multi faith centers based

1092
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:47.079
<v Speaker 2>around the premise that Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship

1093
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:52.159
<v Speaker 2>the same generic God. There's a reason why the Catholic

1094
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:55.960
<v Speaker 2>apologists suck at defending the Trinity. It's not just because

1095
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of their ignorance, it's actually because they're being consistent with

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01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:07.039
<v Speaker 2>your dogma. So there's not really a need for debate

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01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 2>with these people because they're not recognizing and don't have

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01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:18.600
<v Speaker 2>discernment to see what is obvious departure. There's nobody in

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01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.439
<v Speaker 2>the first thousand years of Christianity that would do anything

1100
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:24.720
<v Speaker 2>like this. And in fact, the ancient canons say you

1101
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:31.119
<v Speaker 2>cannot pray in the synagogues or in the heterodox churches.

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01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Church is so called.

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01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.399
<v Speaker 2>What does that tell you about Sam Schimun's made up

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01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:41.199
<v Speaker 2>position that all the Apostolic churches are the church when

1105
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the canons of the councils say you can't go and

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01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 2>pray in the temples of the schismatics and the heretics

1107
01:08:47.600 --> 01:09:00.319
<v Speaker 2>and in the synagogues. Now beyond that, the ancient canons themselves,

1108
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:05.199
<v Speaker 2>from of every of the seven Ecumenical councils, literally contains

1109
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:09.520
<v Speaker 2>canons that contradict Vatican one. And I'll give you this

1110
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.880
<v Speaker 2>article here that shows all of the canons that contradict

1111
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Vatican one. Now, the Document on Human Fraternity, this is

1112
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the document that Francis drew up that is the basis

1113
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:38.119
<v Speaker 2>for the Abu Dhabi Multi Faith Center. The entire document

1114
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:43.479
<v Speaker 2>is nothing but social justice warrior, one world religion nonsense.

1115
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:46.640
<v Speaker 2>So this is again, this is what these people are

1116
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.760
<v Speaker 2>signing on for. This is what Albrecht and all these

1117
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:53.319
<v Speaker 2>people are trying to convince you to join the thing

1118
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that Francis runs, which is already essentially put into law

1119
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:05.000
<v Speaker 2>church law, the very principles that especially Shamun has spent

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01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:11.920
<v Speaker 2>decades arguing against. So there's a spiritual delusion that's at work.

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01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:13.319
<v Speaker 1>That's the root of this problem.

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01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:17.960
<v Speaker 2>You see, It's not an intellectual issue. And in fact,

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01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:23.880
<v Speaker 2>the Vatican itself in their documents when it comes to acumenism,

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01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.680
<v Speaker 2>their documents themselves admit and the very thing that the

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01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox have said the entire time. This is the Francis approved.

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01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:42.399
<v Speaker 4>Ch.

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01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Eighty document, and it admits right there that the Bishop

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01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 2>of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over the churches

1129
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.399
<v Speaker 2>of the East in the first millennium. There you go,

1130
01:10:57.439 --> 01:10:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that means that Vatican one's claims are not true.

1131
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you see that?

1132
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Beyond that, there was the new ecumenist doctrine known as

1133
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the Alexandria, a document on Synidality and premacy. This admission

1134
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:25.239
<v Speaker 2>also means that Vatican One is false. Now, none of

1135
01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:29.600
<v Speaker 2>these people know about Vatican One. This is all Shimun

1136
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.479
<v Speaker 2>has no knowledge of this. But I'm gonna say that

1137
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.119
<v Speaker 2>you should go and read Vatican One in its entirety

1138
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:42.439
<v Speaker 2>at papalincyclicals dot net, because you're gonna see a lot

1139
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.680
<v Speaker 2>of things that most Roman Catholics don't tell you. So

1140
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:48.800
<v Speaker 2>just like when these people talk about the Muslims and

1141
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:52.840
<v Speaker 2>the evangelicals who convert Islam, and then they point out that, oh,

1142
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:57.680
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know about the sahibl Hai, you didn't know

1143
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:00.600
<v Speaker 2>about the Hadiths. You gotta believe you were just told

1144
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:02.479
<v Speaker 2>that Islam is simple. You didn't know you had to

1145
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:05.600
<v Speaker 2>believe all this other stuff. Well, guess what you didn't

1146
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:06.720
<v Speaker 2>know that you had to believe when.

1147
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Im sanked them, did you?

1148
01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.960
<v Speaker 2>You didn't know that you had to go into canon

1149
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.640
<v Speaker 2>law in the Roman Catholic Church, which is binding on

1150
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.359
<v Speaker 2>you as a lay person. We'll see what Romancolic canon

1151
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:20.399
<v Speaker 2>law says about lay people and when they disagree with

1152
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the papacy.

1153
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Although in a.

1154
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Sense of faith, this is the Vatican too, kenlaw, although

1155
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.199
<v Speaker 2>in a sense of faith, a religious submission of intellect

1156
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.039
<v Speaker 2>and will must be given to a doction which the

1157
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops declares concerning faith

1158
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:44.880
<v Speaker 2>or morals when they exercise the magisterium, even if they

1159
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:50.600
<v Speaker 2>did not proclaim it a definitive act. So although it's

1160
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:54.039
<v Speaker 2>not in a sent of faith, in the sense of dogma,

1161
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.479
<v Speaker 2>in other words, they're saying that because the Pope might

1162
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:03.119
<v Speaker 2>teach something that is wrong in non magisterial cases, this

1163
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:06.119
<v Speaker 2>is called the ordinary teaching in Catholicism. Okay, do I

1164
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:09.680
<v Speaker 2>have to submit to the ordinary teaching in Vatican? In

1165
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the Roman Catholic canon law, a religious submission of intellect

1166
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and will must be given to the doctrines that the

1167
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops teach, even if

1168
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:26.000
<v Speaker 2>they do not declare it a definitive act.

1169
01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:27.760
<v Speaker 1>So this.

1170
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Destroys the lie that they all tell each other that

1171
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.119
<v Speaker 2>they only have to believe the Ex Cathedra statements. And

1172
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a whole talk on this showing that that's

1173
01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:42.279
<v Speaker 2>not true. There's five statements in Catholic theology and dogma

1174
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that tell you that you can't just believe the Ex

1175
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Cathedra statements. You don't get to handway Vatican two. And

1176
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:54.720
<v Speaker 2>just like when you call out the Muslims, Oh it's

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01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.279
<v Speaker 2>not just Koran, baby, you also got to believe all

1178
01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:00.359
<v Speaker 2>of this other haadith stuff. Oh it's not just hopes

1179
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:03.079
<v Speaker 2>ex Cathedral baby, you also got to believe all this

1180
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:04.119
<v Speaker 2>papal nonsense.

1181
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:16.880
<v Speaker 5>Baby.

1182
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Let's give you another easy example.

1183
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:24.560
<v Speaker 2>In thirteen oh two, it was dogmatic that you had

1184
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:27.199
<v Speaker 2>to believe in the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop

1185
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to be saved.

1186
01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what this refers to?

1187
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.920
<v Speaker 2>That the pope is not just a spiritual head of

1188
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:38.279
<v Speaker 2>all the world, he's also a temporal world ruler and magistrate,

1189
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:43.479
<v Speaker 2>a civil magistrate. And Boniface made this a dogmatic statement

1190
01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:47.800
<v Speaker 2>in thirteen oh two that you will be damned if

1191
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:54.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't also accept the temporal authority. Now, post Vatican two,

1192
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the Roman Catholic Church no longer teaches this. In fact,

1193
01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:02.279
<v Speaker 2>all of their documents about religious liberty, all the things

1194
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:08.119
<v Speaker 2>that you find indent redenta whatever into gracio whatever the

1195
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Vatican two uh do the tallest Humani Humane and the

1196
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:18.479
<v Speaker 2>other document right.

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01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:23.600
<v Speaker 4>Mh.

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01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:25.840
<v Speaker 1>They teach.

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01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Freedom of conscience, the freedom of worship, all of the

1200
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:34.960
<v Speaker 2>things that the post Vatican or the pre Vatican two

1201
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:42.319
<v Speaker 2>popes had condemned. So mauri vos quanti cura lamenta, bilesan pachindi,

1202
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:46.560
<v Speaker 2>dominici gragias. Those are some examples of the Syllabus of errors.

1203
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:50.359
<v Speaker 2>All the things condemned in the Syllabus of errors. That's

1204
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:52.800
<v Speaker 2>as late as Pious the ninth, the Pope the Vatican One.

1205
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:13.840
<v Speaker 2>All of that is reversed at Vatican two. Prior to

1206
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Vatican too, only a couple decades prior, because of the

1207
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:23.880
<v Speaker 2>dangers of the interfaith acumenist movement. Pious the Eleventh in

1208
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.640
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty eight wrote a famous and cyclical called Mortalium Animos.

1209
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:31.520
<v Speaker 2>And in Mortalium Animos, I'll give you the link he

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01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:38.920
<v Speaker 2>outright condemns all interfaith gatherings as apostasy. There it is

1211
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:47.880
<v Speaker 2>right there. These interfaith gatherings, according to him, are a

1212
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.119
<v Speaker 2>surrendering of the faith. It is clear that the Apostolic

1213
01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:57.960
<v Speaker 2>See cannot take part on any terms in these assemblies.

1214
01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Nor is it lawful for Catholics to support the acumenus

1215
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:08.239
<v Speaker 2>interfaith works, because it would give rise to a false Christianity.

1216
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:13.319
<v Speaker 2>So you understand, it is an apostasy according to Mortalium

1217
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:19.520
<v Speaker 2>animals to have interfaith gatherings, and the papacy cannot support

1218
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:24.800
<v Speaker 2>it on any terms. Vatican two reverses this in an

1219
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:29.880
<v Speaker 2>outright one percent contradiction and doesn't just make the interfaith

1220
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:35.800
<v Speaker 2>gatherings amongst so called Christian groups, Protestants, Anglicans, whatever. Vatican

1221
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:41.920
<v Speaker 2>two goes even further and makes it an inter religious gathering.

1222
01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's what happens at the two sec gatherings where

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01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:49.399
<v Speaker 2>John Paul the Second gets all the world religions together

1224
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:53.079
<v Speaker 2>in a world prayer meeting, a world prayer meeting to

1225
01:17:53.159 --> 01:18:02.520
<v Speaker 2>what to all your respected respective deities. So nineteen twenty

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01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:07.560
<v Speaker 2>eight condemns all ecumenism right here, and within a few

1227
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:14.840
<v Speaker 2>decades suddenly ecumenism is the work of the Holy Spirit.

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01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:18.760
<v Speaker 2>And this is what Shamun wants to go to. Well,

1229
01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:21.159
<v Speaker 2>what I say about a lot of the people who

1230
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:25.039
<v Speaker 2>choose Roman Catholicism in these settings is that you get

1231
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:31.760
<v Speaker 2>what you deserve, you get what you choose. So here

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01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:35.800
<v Speaker 2>is my talk from a while back, how Vatican one

1233
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:37.640
<v Speaker 2>refutes Roman Catholicism in the papacy.

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01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Right there.

1235
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Here is another talk about how Vatican won in the

1236
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:55.319
<v Speaker 2>papacy are themselves contradictions. And I'm going to give you

1237
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:58.720
<v Speaker 2>another one about showing that Vatican two.

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01:18:58.159 --> 01:18:59.119
<v Speaker 1>You have to believe it.

1239
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Romancallolics lie and tell these tall tales that, oh, you

1240
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:05.560
<v Speaker 2>don't have to actually believe that it cantoe, you can

1241
01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:08.600
<v Speaker 2>handwave it. It doesn't count. You see, now, anything that

1242
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the papacy confirms, as you just saw, for the entire

1243
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:14.319
<v Speaker 2>church from the apostolic chair, you've got to believe it.

1244
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:16.359
<v Speaker 1>And really it.

1245
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't matter whether it's ex cathedral, whether it's universal ordinary magisterium,

1246
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.920
<v Speaker 2>because you still have to submit to the ordinary teaching

1247
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:26.359
<v Speaker 2>even when it's not infallible, as Kenan seven to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two says. So this is why Shamoon and Albrecht and

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<v Speaker 2>all of these goofballs are out to lunch, because they've

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<v Speaker 2>chosen something for whatever reasons. I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons are, various weird, dumb reasons. Maybe because the papal

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<v Speaker 2>Church loves skittles. Now, maybe it's a skittles thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, But I'm going to give you the proof

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<v Speaker 2>that you do have to submit to Vatican two. You

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<v Speaker 2>see this talk here, if you go to the description

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<v Speaker 2>of this talk. You will see the links to the

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<v Speaker 2>five places. Actually there's six. Now I put six in there,

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<v Speaker 2>six places in Catholic dogma that you have to accept

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<v Speaker 2>Vatican two. So you see, there's no outs here. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no way for these people, there's no place for them

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<v Speaker 2>to run. They're not going to be able to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to accept Vatican two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>To you know, interpret it in a rigorous way. None

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<v Speaker 2>of that works. You don't even get to interpret Vatican two.

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<v Speaker 2>Vatican two is what the papacy tells you.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what's the source of all this? Again?

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<v Speaker 2>In ten ninety, when the papacy schismed from the Orthodox Church,

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<v Speaker 2>something radical happened in the Latin West. The pope decided

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<v Speaker 2>that he was also, on the basis of the forgery

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<v Speaker 2>known as the Donation of Constantine, a world ruler. And

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<v Speaker 2>not only was a world ruler, he also made it

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<v Speaker 2>dogmatic that in order to be saved, you must submit

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<v Speaker 2>to and believe.

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<v Speaker 1>In his worldly temporal authority. See that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Roman Catholic Church no longer teaches this. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the pope took off his triple cron he doesn't wear

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<v Speaker 2>a three tiered papal tiara triple crown anymore because it

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<v Speaker 2>signified his triple authority, including his earthly quisat hyderat king

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<v Speaker 2>of the World status. I'm not kidding when I say that.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you read what Diktatus Poppy initially says, the

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<v Speaker 2>claims are preposterous. They're outlandish and ridiculous. And you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see any of these claims in the first thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>of Christianity, because it's an evolution, it's a development. But

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<v Speaker 2>Shamoun and none of these people know this. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee you Albrecs has no answer to this because he

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<v Speaker 2>probably isn't even aware what Unham Sunk Them says about

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<v Speaker 2>the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop. So in ten

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<v Speaker 2>ninety Pope Gregory the Seventh mandates Dictatus Pope that the

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<v Speaker 2>world that the Pope is a world ruler. By thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh two, Boniface the Eighth dogmatizes it in Unum Sunk

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<v Speaker 2>Them and even says that you have to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>It to be saved.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And post Vatican two, the Romancology Church teaches freedom

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<v Speaker 2>of conscience, freedom of worships, the dignity the human being,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one should be forced to believe this or

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<v Speaker 2>that the exact night and day opposite of this position. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there are many more contradictions in Roman Catholic dog I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just giving you some of the easy basics to disprove

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You here in person. Oh so last, what we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is talking about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go car bloat overload. Let me read some

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<v Speaker 2>super chats Scuma Bear ten dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hype