Speaker 1: Drama.
Speaker 2: Oh these girls is out here, has starting some drama.
Oh these ladies is getting sassy with me, And I'm
just so scared.
Speaker 1: I'm so scared.
Speaker 2: I'm so scared that I asked two guys to come
to debate and they weren't interested in debating. We had
actually a pretty massive meltdown, as we're gonna see. So
we're gonna be doing a little bit tonight. I'm gonna
talk about what happened. Then I'm gonna talk about the
specific refutations of what we've seen all breckt offer, which
is pretty low tier stuff, and I'll show you exactly
why no one is actually interested in all Breck. First,
so all Brick likes to make a big huff and
a big stink. And many years ago, when I first
met Albrecht online, he asked for a debate and we
talked about this in and it was going to be
set up this is back in twenty nineteen here, and
then I would give him a bunch of references, a
bunch of links, a bunch of things to read, and
then it would turn out that months later he wasn't
able to do it, so he would only do originally
debates several months out. I have several radio shows at
that time. He wouldn't do YouTube debates, and I'm trying
to I'm like radio, okay, Boomer, what are you talking about?
And then I asked him if you'd like to debate
something else, and the original statement that he gave was, well,
let's do it six months from now, and then months later, oh,
let's do it down the road. I've been busy, I've
got stuff coming on coming up, I've had issues. I
can't do it, okay. So this became a recurring thing.
So this is would Saturday in December, So this is
July twenty nine, twenty nineteen. How about an in person
debate in December? Six months out? Then he says, let's
do it. Then he says, here, let's do it dual stream,
and I said, I don't think double streams will work,
because at that time we were talking about him coming
on my stream. And then what he used to do
is that he would just hope that months later you
would forget, and then when it came around time for
the debate, he would say, oh, I've got personal issues
coming up. And so UBI had a similar type of
experience with William Albrick, and since that time pretty much
everyone just quit caring or paying attention to him, and
he didn't have any audience attraction until he got on
Shimun's channel anyway. But his papacy stuff is literally just
the most basic, bitch low tier stuff, as we'll see
when we get to the all Brick presentation here in
a moment, and we're gonna have fun reacting to that.
But before we do, I'll explain what happened today. So
Shamoon did a stream about the Trinity and Protestant and
Catholic apologists and their different strategies and takes and who
has a better model, and whether the Protestants were better
than the Roman Catholics and so forth, and he said
something to the fact of, well, right now, the Protestants
are beating the Catholics on the Trinity because they will
go to the Old Testament and they'll talk about the
Nade of the Lord. That's true. However, what I disagreed
with was that between these two, the protestantlogists and the
Roman Catholic apologist, he was missing the obvious Orthodox apologists.
I'm not talking about me, doctor Branson, and the entire
history of the orthodox monarchical trinitarian model. And then he
did later mention that now I don't care about, uh,
the ultimate issue of whether he said that I was
good to the trinity or whatever, I'm not worried about that.
My point in dming him was that I don't believe
either the Protestants or the Roman Catholics have good trinitarian
models because they don't even have the Triad. And they
don't have the triad because you don't just have the
triad as an abstract doctrine in your head. It's not
a doctrine that you have separate from the doctrine of
the energies. There is no trinity without energy's doctrine. But
the weird part about Shimun is that Shamun seems to
think that you can have theophany, but he doesn't even
know about the energies. The only way to have Theophanes
is to have the energetic manifestation of those theophanies. But
I don't think he even knows that, and I'm going
to show you the evidence that he doesn't even seem.
Speaker 1: To know that. So here's the horrible thing that I did.
Speaker 2: Apparently, if you message him while he's doing a live stream,
which I wasn't aware of this. I don't spend all
my time watching Sam Shamun. I know many of you
think that I do. But I've watched. I've watched some
of his muzzle and debates, and that's about it. I
dared to message him while he was streaming and said, hey,
let's set up a friendly debate where we have time responses.
That's the horrible demonic thing I did.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Apparently, if you ask Sam Shimun a question while he's
trying to live stream, you're of the devil.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that that's what counts as demonic manifestation. Now,
I've always thought it was a little odd that he
always calls anyone who disagrees manifesting manifesting manifesting. I mean
people who have the vices or who lose their temper.
They're not all possessed and they're all they're not all
demonic manifestations. This is just bizarre. But one of you,
some of you might be wondering, well, why did you
continue on being friends with Sam Chumun for so long? Well,
I wanted to make Sam Schuman orthodox. I want him
to become Orthodox, as is the case with everybody that
we interact with, talk to debate with, and so I
was always respectful, and I think everybody can attest to
the fact that at no point in the last seven
years of knowing Sam Chumun, can anyone point out any
time where I ever said anything negative at all or critical,
nothing but respect for Sam Chumun throughout those entire years.
So it was a very bizarre response because Number one one,
if you're doing a live stream, don't pay attention to
Skype messages. All you have to do is just pay
attention to the live stream. There's no reason to get
mad over somebody dming you while you're live streaming, And
why would that make anyone who dms you demonic? Is
just bizarre, And nothing in the messages was out of
the norm. Every time I've ever messaged Shamoon or said anything,
it's always it's just direct, straightforward, no bs, no dancing around,
just straight up, Hey, I disagree with your take on
Protestant and Roman Catholic trinity models because you can't have
this doctrine without the energies. Well, again, that was just
way over the top. So you'll see here. Why this
is what was happening.
Speaker 3: Actually he just contacted me on Skype, so you guys
think he does in here?
Speaker 4: Okay, see this is what happened.
Speaker 1: See what you did?
Speaker 3: Jay? You can't control yourself? Now I wanna because they're
out here here you go.
Speaker 1: I can't control myself. So just d I mean this guy,
I can't control myself. I'm springing out medmonically.
Speaker 4: Possessed right here.
Speaker 3: I guess he needs attention and this fan girls are
pulling at them out.
Speaker 2: I think he thinks that I need the attention when again,
I brought him on the Alex Jones show. Now he's
actually gonna make a reference to that later and say
that I'm crazy conspiracy theorist when he went on.
Speaker 1: The Alex Jones Show.
Speaker 2: So that would mean he's also an insane lune conspiracy
theorist before coming on the show that I invited him on.
Speaker 3: Here it is, guys, let me show you right now
as I'm going live. I don't know what's going on.
He wants to debate William and I William and I
here let me call him.
Speaker 2: Let me see right here, does this look like demonic manifestation? Right?
Speaker 1: And the other masters.
Speaker 2: The messages say we can even do it in a
friendly timed response way, like there's nothing It's the same
kind of reaction with Calvin Robinson.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason that this happened too is that
I talked for months with Sam about how to set
up the right roundtable, and he thinks they think that
because no one wants to interact or have anything to
do with William Albrick or Sam Shamun.
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't tell him this then what
hurt his feelings.
Speaker 2: But the other reason the other people don't want to
interact with all bragged is that they don't want to
interact with Sam Chamun. And that's all the people in
my circles. So no one else wanted to come on
this roundtable. And so I was trying to figure out
ways to set up the roundtable where we could have
me to a presentation and then separately all Brick do
a presentation. Well, I suggested that three or four times,
and I don't guess. I guess that wasn't good enough
because no one wanted to interact with Albreck because Albreck
is a shady character that's fine, and because they don't
like Sam chumun so.
Speaker 1: But I didn't tell him any of that.
Speaker 2: I just left all that out and tried to organize it,
by the way I organized the Fresh.
Speaker 1: And Fit thing to bring him on.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what, like, what was a vast
conspiracy for me all these years to get him, help
him out with nice interviews, big interviews, big spots, and
what it was all to go after him to because
I'm demonically possessed.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just insane. It's like.
Speaker 2: I disagreed with your take that Protestant and Roman Catholic
apologist and the pop sphere like Aiken or any of
those people that they any of them have very good
takes on the Trinity. And so I asked simply four
a timed response debate on my channel. Now, I'm going
to play a eclip in a minutego where he lost
his mind tonight and said some really insane stuff which
makes me worried about him. And you're going to see
that he doesn't even seem to be aware of the
energy's doctrine, which is odd because he's out here teaching
the Trinity, debating all these topics, and then he plays
a victim on his stream and says that you don't
ask a person who's new to all this to come
to debate. Well, then why are you teaching? If you're
new to all this, you've got to be being catechized.
But this is a problem I'm gonna get to with
Shamun here in a second. I've got five main issues
with what the problem is with Sam Shimun, and it's
probably not what you think. I'm not going to go
after him on a personal level. I don't do that.
That's the kind of stuff that people who don't really
have any anything solid to stand on, that's what they
go after. I'm going to point out what I think
is the actual issue here, and it really has nothing
to do with intellect or doctrines or dogmas or anything
like that. It has to do with being willing to
go into the catechumen.
Speaker 1: It that's the problem.
Speaker 2: And I think he's pretty much expressed that he would
rather go to a Catholic church because quote, they give
him communion. Well that doesn't I mean, that doesn't prove
that it's the true church because they will give you
the communion. His other arguments for why he's Catholic are
things like miraculous meetings, of other Roman Catholics or something.
I don't know how that proves Roman Catholicism. I mean,
if I met a bunch of you know, Satanists in
the next week with that miraculously providentially, I mean, I'm
supposed to join the church state it's it's a bad
series of almost charismatic level stuff, and we're actually going
to see that. I think there is an element of
charismatic influence and delusion that's going on with Shamoun, which
is also part of the problem when we look at
his bizarre idea that dust particles that fly across his
camera are miraculous presences and appearances, which yes, he actually
believes that. And now people are sent running from the debate.
Now you say, I offered multiple times for them to
come and do a timed debate, and they said, no, no,
you come to Williams channel right now. Well, I was
on a podcast earlier tonight, as you can see. With
quite frankly, I don't have time to go to Williams's channel.
But I've spent months and years in the past trying
to debate and set up debates with William Albrecht, and
so if they're not willing to accept a debate where
there's timed responses. What's the point and what's the point
of debating a person who himself can't debate or defend
his positions. He's got to bring in his handler. But
I told him he can come debate too, but they
don't want that. Now, let me show you what I'm
talking about. So here's the rest of what he says.
Speaker 3: Do tried to respect? Now barking and manifesting.
Speaker 2: Barking and manifesting, asking you to come have this discussion.
Speaker 1: Barking.
Speaker 2: So that's barking and manifesting. So you noticed that anyone
who disagrees this guy thinks is demonically possessed.
Speaker 1: Now he may actually believe this.
Speaker 2: And what that suggests to me is like there's something
going on, Like he actually thinks that everything that's happening
is somehow like about and directed at him, as if
someone couldn't just disagree with him or even just get
angry with him. If somebody gets angry with you, do
you immediately assume that they're demonically possessed. It's just bizarre.
I mean, it's not true, but it might be a
person who has a kind of a psychosis or is
a dealing with certain types of bipolar issues, and I
think that probably that's.
Speaker 1: What's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that to humiliate him, because I don't
I'm not interested in going into this whole thing, as
you're gonna see. Like when I tried to reach out
again tonight to set up a debate, he just went
off the hook. So I don't think this is a
person that you can be reasonable with. So but and
you'll see.
Speaker 3: What right here, right here, sir, So don't lie for
him because he's been trying to trying to get my attention.
I'm live. I'm thinking, Okay, some other time, we'll do it,
all right, So no, you fangirls. Shots fired.
Speaker 2: So then he got mad because he messaged me in
the middle of this and he said, why are you
sending your minions into my chat? I've never sent minions
into chats. I don't have the time or the energy
interest in doing that. That's just the way the internet works.
People will come and talk smack and then strategize and
strategize and tell.
Speaker 5: Go get him, guys.
Speaker 2: I just put it publicly, right, So, at this point
I posted the public question, why don't you guys both
come and have a debate.
Speaker 3: It's not going to be on his time, so he
can simmer it down.
Speaker 2: Now, wait a minute, Shamoon always demands everyone come to
his stream, and then when I offer for both of
them to come to my stream, I didn't say it
had to be right then. I just said, you guys
want to come on. So he's making it like I
demanded at the initial offer that he has to come
on right now or today.
Speaker 1: I never said that. I just said, do you.
Speaker 2: Want to set up a friendly timed response, That's all
it said. I said it would be good to do
it timed so that people don't talk over each other.
Now he's saying, oh, he just wants attention, demanding that
I do it now.
Speaker 1: There was no demand, so don't.
Speaker 3: Be lying about him.
Speaker 1: He's the one who did.
Speaker 3: I don't usually call this guy out, but I guess
he's getting too big for his riches.
Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, right, so because he's got clips channels that
have spread his clips, he thinks I'm jealous of him,
and I have to call him out because I don't
have any other way to get attention or to get
an audience. So it's not like I host a giant
show or write for another giant show.
Speaker 1: No, I only can get clips by fussing with him.
Speaker 3: Now it's like King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Now you're telling me this is not a demonic attack,
and I'll say, he's using him. We're focusing on Christ,
glorifying Christ. He manifests. But I'm glad you exposed it.
Speaker 2: So again, nothing else happened other than me asking him
another question. I said, what are you getting mad about?
I'm just asking you to set up a time debate,
and now it's demonic manifestation. So it's almost like a
cult leader where it's like dming a person during a
stream and he loses his mind as if this is
some giant personal attack. All I said was I disagree
with your take on Protestant and Roal macalvol Trinity models.
That was it.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: But that's all it takes is you're now demonically possessed
and working to undermine him. When what I cooked you
up with a fresh and fit, massive debate. But now
I'm demonically possessed for daring to message you during a
live stream. I mean it's just I mean, okay, I
get it. He has a pet peeve that I understand
this now, but why don't you just assume that, like
maybe not, everybody knows that that's your pet peeve? Right
to get message during a live stream.
Speaker 1: I get messages all the time.
Speaker 2: I get mad about it and cuss the people out
because they messaged me.
Speaker 1: Oh dare you you?
Speaker 2: Dem Sagon sent you to message me during your laws dream?
Speaker 3: Because now shots are fired? Okay now, and you guys
know I didn't shot shoot right, I didn't fire shots. Okay,
but that's good now for the rest of it. If
you're listening, because Satan wants us, Satan wants us to
be distracted, don't be distracted. No, his fangirls came manifesting.
I blocked him. Guess I guess he's like calling out William.
Speaker 2: Don't be he's lied calling out William. How is calling
out William to debate a lie? That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: He distracted focus because in the midst of my stream
to call us out. Yeah, we're gonna drop everything, Jay,
We're gonna drop Yeah, we're gonna drop you in a minute.
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about leaving your stream to the baby.
I just ask you if you'd like to set it up,
So this is not true. He's acting like I demanded
that he stop his stream and come to baby. It
was a simple message to set up this debate or
this discussion, which is the same message I sent tonight,
and you'll see how.
Speaker 1: He reacted when we set it up.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it all right.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the reason that he's acting this
way is because he doesn't want this to date.
Speaker 1: He wants to poison.
Speaker 2: The well and be so nasty that I won't debate,
so that he will say that I'm a coward. When
if he was actually disinterested in the truth, why wouldn't
he just have this discussion anyway? Why wouldn't he come
and have the discussion with time responses? There was no
need for all of this. But one of the reasons
that this kind of person does this is that it's
a way to not have the debate by being so
nasty and then accuse the people who don't want to
interact with you as if they're totally scared.
Speaker 1: Now you might say, oh, but Jay, you make jokes
about people. Will you do this?
Speaker 2: You do that when I operate on asking people to
come to a debate. It's always professional. I just simply
sent very brief, very clear, precise messages, would you like
to set up a debate on this? And everybody knows this.
I've been doing it for years. There's no screaming, there's
no meltdowns, there's no crying, there's none of this that
happens in informal debates where it's open for him, where
people call in to challenge me. It's different from a
formal debate setting where you have time responses.
Speaker 3: Right, not on your time, take it easy. But you
see here it says on his robe, and honest.
Speaker 2: There was nothing about that he has to do it
on my time. It was just an ask asking him
to come and do it. You could do it a
week from now.
Speaker 3: Oh he has name. He has a name inscribed King
of Kings and Lord of lords. So you're saying Jesus
manifested by coming and disrupting a service that's about Jesus
Christ and glorifying him. That's what satan your father does
manifest to distract you, stupid horror. See the demons.
Speaker 2: So because someone asked him to debate in a DM,
the demons are sending people and everyone's a stupid horror.
It literally makes me no, It's like it makes no
sense at all.
Speaker 3: Manifesting. Okay, now everyone else getting it? Everyone listening, Everyone listening.
I need you to focus, get rid of these trolls now.
I don't want you to get distracted. Do you guys
see demonic. I'm in the midst of a session and
the guy manifests good, I'm glad God exposed you. It's
time to take you out first Corinthian six two to three.
Speaker 2: So that this is his attitude when someone dms him
because it's a live stream, it's demonic manifestation. It's time
for him to take him out. I mean, this is
just literally insane. This is like a mentally unstable person.
I don't like, where did I ever say anything negative,
critical at all, rude or anything, But I mean it
was always completely respectful to him. And he doesn't have
any evidence of any of that, by the way, Like
there's me talking, smack me even being rude, critical of
him at all. All he has is that I told
him that no one wants to interact with William Albrick,
and he thinks that's a gotcha that people are scared
of al Breck.
Speaker 3: He's working in Dude. Hey, Jay, your boys came to
my live stream calling me out. So I'm thinking you're
sending them. I'm trying to keep love with you and
work with you, buddy.
Speaker 2: Tell them to so again, this weird paranoia that I'm
sending people to his livestream chat. Like, first of all,
you have to join his channel and wait five hours
to chat anyway, Like, you can't just join the channel
in chat, So I don't know where he's I mean,
this is bizarre, right, It's weird.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Stop go to my comments section. They're calling him out
as if I'm afraid. Come on, Jay, keep it real
between us. I got your back, dude, come on all
right anyway, by zu, I know you don't have to.
They're coming because they're hearing you mention it because they
didn't hear it on my stream. So tell them. Stop
being used of the devil. Bro anyway, gotta get back
to the stream. Love you, take care.
Speaker 2: So how so I'm demonically possessed. I'm an agent of
the devil. He thinks I'm sending people to a stream
and then he's like, love you, bro, anyway.
Speaker 4: See the Lord dot Com.
Speaker 3: See, so he did shots fired, right, it's manifesting.
Speaker 4: Okay, good, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, right.
Speaker 2: So what I took issue with was in the stream
he says that the Protestants are killing it on the
Trinity because they go to the Angel the Lord in
the Old Testament. And I understand that he was saying
that they're doing better in that domain than the Roman
Catholic apologists, who don't want to talk about the Trinity
of the Old Testament because they have a pretty bad theology.
But that wasn't what I was taken issue with. I'm
taking issue with the idea that either the Protestant or
the Roman Catholic trinitarian model are correct. I believe they're
both wrong, and I think that you can demonstrate that
not just in terms of the monarchia and how that's
central too orthodox Trinitarian theology, especially from Constantin up On
one of the Cappadocians, but also the Energy's doctrine, which
is concomitant with that monarchical trinitarian doctrine of the Cappadocians.
That's why the Eastern Fathers in the Eastern Councils dogmatize
the Energy's doctrine. But he doesn't even know that the
energy's doctrine is in the New Testament. As I'm going
to show you when he starts, as he says, barking
about the energy's doctrine itself.
Speaker 3: We're going to call him out to Dorian. You had
me there. That's why his fangirls are manifesting. I feel
bad for you Orthodox brothers and sisters, seriously.
Speaker 2: So if you're Orthodox, you're just my fan girl. Even
though how does he know that the profiles asking him
to debate are necessarily Orthodox, And maybe they're a bunch
of Roman Catholics, maybe they're Wagner's fans, maybe they're Protestants
who want to see this kind of a debate. He
just assumes that people in the chat are asking him,
that are asking him to debate are demonically possessed Orthodox people.
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church is a glorious church, but when you got
people like this representing you, it's sad.
Speaker 2: It really is so now because someone dared to take
issue with his bizarre idea that Roman Catholics, Orthodox and
Protestants all have good Trinitarian theology, which doesn't make any sense,
by the way, which is going to be the root
of his chief mistake. The idea that there's a Apostolic
Church that exists amongst a bunch of sects and different
schisms is complete nonsense and doesn't exist. There is no
Apostolic church that isn't a specific Apostolic church. So that
will get to in a moment, but will finish this.
Speaker 3: I'm being honest with you. It's like when a past
they prophet said, Luigi, if you're to judge Orthodoxy by
you guys online, he would never become Orthodox.
Speaker 2: Shamoon critique David Wood because he said that you can't
make you can't make your Christianity anti Islam, right, and
we saw this with David Woodhu mean with Christian Prince.
Christian Prince was this goofball who doesn't know anything about
church history. He's never heard of Athenasians. He didn't know
who Athenasius was. But the extent of his Christianity and
his catechisis was just anti Islam.
Speaker 1: And you've got a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people, very low tier, very low information voters who
don't know church history, they don't know the actual theology.
They think that theologies is being anti Islam, and so
they convert to Jesus and that's step one. That's good,
but there's no Jesus ultimately without the church. Jesus set
up a church, not three thousand different conflicting ones, and
not five different rival quote Apostolic ones like he thinks.
And the amazing thing is that he even admits over
and over in his streams that the reason he's not
Orthodox is precisely that he would have to start over
and be catechized. And because the Roman Catholics give him communion,
but that doesn't prove, that doesn't show that it's true.
Just because they give you communion, that's a terrible argument
and justification and other sort of emotive reasons that are
not good reasons, which again I think goes back to
this almost charismatic influence that we see with Sam Chamun.
I'm just over here manifest and Doll, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Manifest and dog, okay, stop manifested.
Speaker 2: And the problem is that he's not catechized. Okay, So
he just learned about Apostolic succession and the post Apostolic
fathers not too long ago, right, he was doing a
commentary on the stream that Trent Horn did. Trent Horn
talked about the Apostolic fathers in his debate and showed
that they teach Apostolic succession. So when Shamun reviews that,
he says, this is blowing my mind. This is blowing
my mind. So you didn't know that the abstotic fathers
have Apostolic succession.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like basics, right.
Speaker 2: So you got a person who learned a lot of
the Bible as a Protestant, and learned a lot of
Islamic arguments as a Protestant, and was a very proficient
even as a Calvinist debater against Islam. But Christianity is
not Calvinism. It's not Protestantism, and it's not your made
up church of apostolic that exists among a bunch of
sex and splits and schisms. And he even defends mar Maury,
who created his own denomination. It doesn't make any sense.
So why is this. He doesn't know anything about the
divine energies, He doesn't know anything about Christology, he doesn't
know anything about the Patristic teaching and the Acumenical Council's teachings,
and so he's wandered into papism because he thinks that
that's gonna make it easy for him and it's going
to give him a broader reach amongst the so called
Christian YouTube.
Speaker 1: Audience or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, you can make that decision if you want. But
the problem is that the papacy itself is a spiritual delusion.
And I'm going to show you that we're going to do.
We're gonna look at William Aubrecks's terrible argumentation about the papacy,
how low tier it is. But again, the key point
is that sam Chimun has no teaching blessing. No one
becomes a teacher that's self appointed. It doesn't exist. In fact,
even in the Roman Catholic world, it's not really supposed
to exist. I mean, in today's Romancatholic world, nobody cares
about it. They can do whatever they want. But you
cannot be a self appointed teacher. You have to be
cold to teach or given a blessing to teach. And
this is a basic principle Hebrews five.
Speaker 1: As you guys know, for.
Speaker 2: Every high priest taken from among men, is appointed for
men and things that pertain to God. He may offer
both sacrifices gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can have
compassion on those who are ignorant goes stray because he
himself is also subject to weaknesses.
Speaker 1: But because of this.
Speaker 2: He's required as for the people, so as for himself
to offer sacrifices for sins. No one takes this honor
of priesthood and teaching, etc. On themselves, but they are
cold to it. What bishop, priest or authority has actually
called Sam Shamun to his parachurch ministry. Now I don't
personally have a big deal with people debating or this
or that. The problem is that Sam Chimun presents himself
as having this ministry right. And it doesn't matter that
you defeat Muslims in a debate. That's not what makes
the ministry valid. The question is who appointed you to
have ministry? Who appointed you.
Speaker 1: To have that?
Speaker 2: You have to be under some authority. But nobody knows
what priest, bishop, or what blessing from the episcopacy was
given to Sam Chamun to have a public ministry. It's
just self appointed, like many of the online YouTube crowd.
Just like Christian Prince who has no church, who has
no blessing, Sam Schimun's church is the one that he's
invented in his head. That is quote Apostolic meaning Oriental,
Assyrian Church of the East, Roman Catholic and Orthodox, and
apparently also many Protestants that he just happens to like
that week. They're all somehow part of the Apostolic Church.
But if you go back to the Niceno Constantpolitan Creed,
when the Kappadocians who wrote the Creed and compile that
creed put one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, what do
you think they meant? Do you think that when they
wrote that they meant the Novationists. Did they mean the
schismatics of that time? Did they mean the Eunomians? They
meant that there is one canonical visible church structure, and
that one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church is the only one,
and the church fathers unanimously clearly teach that any heresy
or schism is a leaving of that body. There are
no schisms in a literal sense, in the sense of
two churches churches out of communion right excommunicating one another,
that are still the church.
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: And so because he doesn't understand Christology, he has a
Nestorian ecclesiology, where Christ exists amongst divided excommunicated thousand plus
year splits is Christ divided? Paul says, So Sam Schmoun
has a Calvinist invisible church ecclesiology. Still, he's an ecclesiological heretic.
That's the main problem right here, because for him to
admit that there is a single canonical church that he
would be under the authority of would mean that he'd
have to be recatechized, and he just simply doesn't want
to do that. So it is at root of pride issue.
And I'm going to tell you that you shouldn't listen
to him, not because he's wrong about Islam or something
like that, but he's just a self appointed guy who
claims to have sort of miraculous weird I don't even
know what it is like miracles happen that confirm his
quote ministry. What are the miracles and things that he
claims prove his ministry? Dust flying across his screen what
he calls orbs.
Speaker 3: Bless our brother, preserve him in a family, and healed
our hearts in us phenomena watch it, he answered the
way I will.
Speaker 2: Now, the funny thing is that I didn't even see
a dust orb in that video. But again he thinks
that dust orbs. He's not joking. By the way, this
is actually on his channel and he's got multiple ORB videos.
Speaker 1: Let's see another one.
Speaker 2: While this ORB is incredible, So a dust particle flies by.
He thinks that angels are flying around in his dirty
ass kitchen right with his dunkin donuts.
Speaker 1: Nasty ass.
Speaker 2: The reason that you have health issues is your diet, dude,
all your dunkin Donuts, garbage food you got in there,
and your cereal boxes or whatever garbage you're eating.
Speaker 1: That's why you have diet issues. Bro.
Speaker 2: It's not doing cardio. But he's too boomer. He doesn't
even know about diets. He thinks doing cardios. What makes
you thin? No, dude, it's none of that. Oh look
another orb. This is a winged ORB according to Sam Chamun.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll be the bad copy.
Speaker 2: So winged ORB a piece of dust or a reflection.
Maybe that dirty ass apartment just needs to be cleaned up, bro,
Maybe you need to vacuum that dirty ass apartment. What's
more likely that there's a jos flying around that nasty
kitchen or he just needs to vacuum. What's more likely?
These aren't jokes either way. Like he actually thinks here's
his fan base.
Speaker 1: I saw one of them live.
Speaker 2: I saw one of them orbs live when you was
at that hotel.
Speaker 1: God is surely with you. You look at this chick
presence of angels. The veil is thin or almost home.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is what we're talking about here, orbs
miraculous dust, orbs that proved the ministry of Sam Chamun.
Speaker 3: All right, anyway, he's manifesting because I guess he wants
our numbers and our fame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have Sam Chamun fame.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous.
Speaker 2: Later on he'll say that I wrote a conspiracy book
because I don't have enough money. I don't write books
for money, dude, Like the books don't make any money.
Speaker 3: Yeah see, So there you go. So you made a
community post. You see see that, Arthur Christos, There you go,
you guys man, you do a lot of damage to
the church. Okay, now another one.
Speaker 1: What church Sam?
Speaker 2: Would that be the Assyrian Church of the East. Would
that be the Anglican sect? Would that be the Roman
Catholic Communion? Would that be the Coptic to the Tawahda?
What is the church? So you see, the whole point
is that he doesn't have the church. He's missed the
very thing that what three weeks ago when he talked
about the Trent Horns, like he just learned that the
post topsuck fathers teach I saw a succession, or that
he had never seen these quotes before. So what are
you going to do when you get to the energies
in the sixth Council when you learn that.
Speaker 3: Let's hammer this Isaiah forty See, the Lord God comes
with Mike and his arm rules for him. So you
can't stop. Guys, Look, you can't stop. He's got a
chim in say, because he wants to be used of
the devil. You see, guys, watch, I can't stop, and
I'm always listening.
Speaker 2: I want to be used as the double Dead. The
only reason I would contact you is because I want
to be used of the.
Speaker 3: Devil, Like because he wants to be used of the devil.
This is crazy, ha ha, No, Jay, you're not manifesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at this guy. I asked him in
the comments. I was like, what do you mean I'm manifesting.
I was like, because I asked you a question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep manifesting. I know I'm your in your head.
Take it easy. I know I own you. In time,
I'll do to you what I did on your discord
with the cannon.
Speaker 2: You didn't do anything on the on the cannon. You
actually believe the position that I argued. Now, so he's
referring to this this discord argument we had about the cannon,
which is ironic because he now believes the position I
was arguing for. He doesn't believe the Protestant position on
the canon, so he thinks that he won this stupid
argument from seven years ago that he now believes the
opposite of the thing I was arguing. He was arguing
the Protestant canon. I was arguing the Orthodox Canon. He
now believes the Catholic Orthodox Canon. So this is nonsense, patience,
all right, anyway, this is actually I think this is
literally an insane person. I actually think he's just literally
just nuts. And the reason I say that's not because
I'm mad or that I like when I play you
what he says about the Energies, it makes no sense
because he argued for the Theophanes against Wagner and the Tomists,
and then he's going to make fun of the Energies.
It's like he doesn't even know that the only way
to have the theophany is is the energy doctrine. It's weird, yep.
I don't think I think that there's like something off
with this guy, like he's off. He doesn't even see that.
Seven years ago you were arguing the Protestant canon. I
was arguing the Orthodox Catholic canon. You now have that position.
How did you defeat me in that discord debate?
Speaker 3: It's stupid, be radical, Thomass. Okay, see the Lord God
comes with Mike and here we go, guys. Yeah, I'm manifesting.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 3: Look here you go. See every time see tell me
sing's not working. Brother, I'm I'm un alive.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Here you go, Jay, here you want.
Speaker 2: Here, here's the demonic possession. I'm always straight up, I'm manifesting.
I'm asking you to debate, and I said, we're going dude,
I mean that's just insane.
Speaker 3: All right, Brother? I love you, Jay, I love you, Jay,
swear I love you. I love you.
Speaker 1: Matt to notice this perform of nonsense? Does he even?
Speaker 2: It's like there's two different sam Chamuns, Right, There's like
the sam Shamun that loves you and is patient and
kind of nice with you and then suddenly there's this
like one is screaming and cussing and like calling you.
Speaker 1: This and that and again.
Speaker 2: The issue is that you can't actually overcome a lot
of these issues without the aid of the grace that's
uncreated in the Orthodox Church. So the sad part is
that the very thing that he is mocking, I'm going
to show you where he starts mocking the divine energies.
That's the very thing that would heal him and that
he needs. But that's the thing that he's gonna mock,
which is really weird and bizarre.
Speaker 3: Because of the post you posted, brother, I love you, man,
I swear I do love you. You posted that post because
you must.
Speaker 2: So I'm demonically possessed. I'm like totally jealous of him.
Never said anything bad about him ever. All I did
was ask him to set up a public debate, which,
by the way, we've already been talking about doing right,
setting up something with me, him and Albrecht and other
people for months. And I'm the worst. Oh, but I
love you and you're really great and by the way,
been respectful for you. Blah blah blah. It's just it
doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: I said, you won't stop texting me. Brother, I'm in
a live stream, and.
Speaker 2: You don't have to answer your phone on a live stream.
Nobody is forcing you to debate or answer your phone
on live stream. So this radical swing between as you
can see here, between I love you, I love you, bro,
You're the great yeah, blah blah blah, We've been great
friends blah bah blah to just pure hatred. That's bipolar,
that's a manic bipolar.
Speaker 3: And the guys are coming here and say, when do
you go to bate jay For the love of our
god Jay, let me finish, brother, let me finish what
I'm doing. I know you're listening. Let me get to
my stuff. Let me get ahold of William because you
guys the experts on.
Speaker 2: So somebody's saying that Sam Shamun has talked about his
mental health issues. I wasn't even aware of this, so
I don't know what this is new to me. What
exactly does he say? I don't even know what are
his issues. Somebody that actually knows, can you enlighten me?
Because that would actually make things a lot more sensible.
I would like if he does have actual bipolar issues
and medicine that he takes. Maybe that would make more sense.
I would understand these issues.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be learning as we're going to. Please
be patient, brother, I love you. I swear I'll even
go to Turkey and get a hair transplant if it'll
make you happy. So I don't look as fat and
ugly and I don't have a gay list like.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never commented on his appearance or said
anything negative about him. But you notice that he immediately
starts talking about this like there's some sort of rivalry
or in be like because I have hair.
Speaker 1: Or something I don't. I don't know what he'd like.
Speaker 2: Maybe bald people are just typically rage induced, like they're
mad at the people that have hair, Like who even cares? Dude,
don't care whether you got hair or whether you're bald,
It doesn't matter to me. But he's He's brought this
up a lot, and I've always just took it like
maybe he's joking, but maybe he actually like has a thing,
like he feels what intimidated because people have hair.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Jimmy White, And I promise you I
won't wear Cosby sweaters. I promise you.
Speaker 1: Well, let me finish.
Speaker 2: Please let me finish, Broker, nobody's making you look at
your phone like all you gotta do is like turn
your screen off or put the phone in the other room.
Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: He's done broke me, man? It done broke me man,
bro he doesn't broke me man, by the way is
avery life?
Speaker 4: He breaks were?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: He breaks me man.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell's going on? Guys, what's
going on this this lent season?
Speaker 5: Bro? What is going on?
Speaker 3: Do you see the attacks? Damn?
Speaker 5: Can I gotta break?
Speaker 1: All right? So that's enough of that. I mean, I
don't even what is what? What is he talking about? Attacks?
Speaker 2: Like asking you to come and have a debate in
a timed way. It's not an attack. So it's just
weird man, bizarre. Now I want to go over to
this because this was so Later on tonight, after all this,
I sent him another message that was not rude. It
was just straight up like do you want to come
on and set this up? And here's his response.
Speaker 4: We're gonna call you all. We're gonna get you. Don't
worry boy, Now, girl, get some more energies.
Speaker 2: They will help you get more energies.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll help you. It's like he doesn't even.
Speaker 4: Like I said, thanks for the receipt, queer bait. I'm
gonna show them who ran from William? Down? Girl, ape down,
keep following. Good, We're gonna call you out. We're gonna
get you. Don't worry about it. Down girl, get some
more energies.
Speaker 1: Maybe will help you get more energies.
Speaker 3: You like I said, thanks for the received queer bait.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show them who ran from William. Damn girl,
kelb a note down, Keep following.
Speaker 2: We're gonna call So there you go. So the the
energies he thinks are just something.
Speaker 1: That you make fun of. It's like a joke.
Speaker 2: Maybe your divine energies will help you out. Does he
not know that this is fundamental to the New Testament,
the doctrine of the divine energies. And for those who
are serious about the stuff, you could read an excellent
book on that, which is doctor David Bradshaw's book, Divine
Energies and Divine Action, and he has a great section
where he talks about that the energy's doctrine is essentially
something that comes from Scripture. It's not invented by the Cappadocians.
It's not invented by Palamas, it's not invented by.
Speaker 1: Maximus the Confessor.
Speaker 2: The doctrine of energies is literally the Pauline New Testament
terminology innergaya erginon inergenon for how God is at work
in us and what we partake of, right, and he.
Speaker 1: Thinks it's something to laugh at.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense, which makes me think that
there's some sort of like bipolar manic sort of episode,
which was triggered because initially asked him in DM to
do a debate that made him upset, and then when
he started saying that was demonically possessed and all this
weird stuff, then I said it publicly on the community post.
So as you can see, Uh, inner gaya is the
working and the efficiency, uh, the superhuman power of God
in time and space in us. Whether it's Ephesians three, seven,
Colossians two, twelve, Colossians one twenty nine, Fijians one nineteen,
Fijians four, sixteen, Philippians three twenty one, second, Thessalonians two nine,
second Dessolians two eleven. Uh, And there are other derivations
of the word too, So there's also dunamas or power
and dunamas is also an equally important New Testament terminology
use that is basically synonymous with the Orthodox doctrine of
the uncreated energies of God. Now he doesn't know the
Church fathers at all other than quote mining, so he's
not even aware of that. Basil's Letter two thirty four
is a classic text outlining what the Patristic doctrine of
the energies is. This is again everybody should know this.
If you're Orthodox, let me make it bigger.
Speaker 1: So he thinks it's funny. I think that you just
laugh at it. It's like you just the energy's.
Speaker 2: Doctrine is a joke or something, and hahaha, get your
energies to come help you. Queer eight right, that's what
he says to me, which, by the way, I'm married,
so is he married?
Speaker 1: Calling me? I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Do you worship what you know or what you don't know?
If I say that I worship what I know, they
immediately say, what is the essence the object of worship?
This is talking about the Eunomians. Then Youomians thought you
could know and see and perceive and define the divine
essence I confess that I'm ignorant of the essence. They
turn to me and they say, so you worship what
you don't know. I answer that the word to know
has many meanings. You heard me say this a lot.
We say that we know the greatness of God, his wisdom,
his powers, goodness, his providence, and the justness of his judgments.
But judgment but.
Speaker 1: Not his essence.
Speaker 2: The question therefore, only put forth for the sake of dispute, right,
is that we do not know the essence. But the
operations come down to us. And that's the point of
Basil's apologetic Here, these operations or attributes or energies. And
when Basil writes this, the term he uses is inner gaya,
the energies. He says, the inner gaya come down to us,
and those are the attributes or the operations. Right, And
in fact he even rebukes what you hear the Roman
Catholics and the Thomas teach. Are all of these terms
just names of essence? Besil says, that would be a reductio.
Is there the same mutual force and his loving kindness,
and his justice and his creative power, that they're all
just names of essence? For they confess that there's a
distinction between the essence and one of the attributes enumerated.
The operations are various. He says that even the Unomians
confess there's a distinction between the essence and the attributes.
The operations are various, but the essence is simple. Operations
is innergaia. We know God from his energies, but we
do not partake to approach near his essence. There you go,
And what does sam Chamun think about the energies? So
the divine energies a fundamental New Testament doctrine.
Speaker 1: What does he think.
Speaker 2: You get more energies?
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll help you, all right?
Speaker 2: So uh, final point then with him is just simply
that for him, there's no there's no Apostolic Church. In reality,
there's an invisible Calvinist, invisible church that exists amongst all
the ones that he calls Apostolic. That so called Apostolic
church has no unified teaching on Christology, the energies, or
any of the other crucial doctrines of the first thousand
years of Christianity. In fact, in his mind, you could
go to an Anglican church that doesn't believe in energies
onncreative grace. He could go to a Monophysite church that
says something totally different, and you go to an Orthodox church.
Speaker 1: They're all the church, but there.
Speaker 2: Is no such thing as his made up church. Number two,
His position doesn't make any sense if he's gonna mock
and make fun of energies, when this was his whole
point about rejecting the Thomists. The Thomasts were arguing that
the Angel of the Lord has to be a created
hologram or a created being an angel, and so he
saw that theophanies a theophanies. Okay, but you don't have
theophanies without the essence sentery distinction. He doesn't even know this.
So this is a person who doesn't know any Orthodox theology,
is not catechized, he has no teaching, no authority, no blessing.
So he's basically just still a Protestant.
Speaker 1: Is the issue.
Speaker 2: And if you come to Orthodoxy, one of the things
you have to learn is that it takes many years
to get healed from Protestantism and Calvinism. And of course
he comes out of a Calvinist background. So there's no
true church in his position. He has an historian in
visible church ecclesiology. There's no consistent, coherent doctrine of Theophanes
because he says that the energies are something to make
fun of, which he doesn't understand is the only way
to have Theophanes. There's no bishop or authority above him
that keeps him in check or calls him out or
has given him a blessing to have a quote ministry. Okay,
and I'm talking about debating. He himself says it's a ministry.
And so he's still not catechized properly as an Orthodox person.
He went directly from anti Islam to now I'm suddenly
made up Catholic church apologist ministry online. So he's in
the same position as James White of self appointed public
teacher with no authority or oversight. And five, he has
bad reasons for remaining a Roman Catholic. They're all personal,
subjective reasons that he feels there's orbs that are surrounding
him and that's telling him this and that, And he
has miraculous meetings with Roman Catholics telling him that he
needs to be Roman Catholic. And you know he feels
this and that those are not good reasons. Well, I
can have communion at the Catholic Church and the Orthodox
won't give it to me. Well, maybe you need to
be catechized and start the process, but that would require
humility and abjuration of errors, and so you understand that
what's the root issue here. The root issue is that
you can't make up your own online church. You have
to be under authority and you have to go through
the process of being healed and have a change in
your noetic faculties to be opened up to this new
theology which has only had through the sacraments. And you
cannot keep hatred and anger from your Calvinist days as
your modus operandi of the Orthodox Church. Doesn't mean you
can't debate people, but the erratic, weird manifestations display some
kind of healing that's needed and that can only happen
through having a spiritual Father that holds you in check
and the sacraments.
Speaker 1: In the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 2: That's it, And this is why Roman Catholicism doesn't provide
this healing. Roman Catholicism doesn't even have a noose doctrine.
They don't believe in the heart. There's just the intellect
and the body. So he's unknowingly gone into a thing
that ironically is the very opposite of the theology that
he's been arguing for the last however many decades or years.
He doesn't even understand that Roman Catholic dogrine dogma. And
he thinks this because he's listening to an idiot. He
thinks that when Albrich tells him, he doesn't have to
believe this, or he can twist this and interpret it
in some other way.
Speaker 1: No, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 2: And I've sent him this the issues about your attitude
in Roman Catholicism that you have to submit to the magisterium.
Speaker 1: Magisterium is not what you think it is.
Speaker 2: So they're all going to be Protestants him and allbright
when they go into reading the magisterial texts and say.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to accept that. I don't have to
do this because I've already been down this road. I've
done the.
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic thing. I know how it works, I know
all of this Roman Catholic nonsense inside and out. The
Church regards with esteem the Muslims. Does that sound like
sam Schimud? They adore the One God adoration in Catholic theology.
He doesn't even know this is a term of worship
the one God that lives and subsists in himself, merciful
and all powerful, the creator of having an earth. So
notice that the very thing that he's argued all these
years that Islam is Allah is the devil, Allah is all,
Allah is all the demon God. Sam Schmud has said
this a million times now. He's putting himself under the authority,
supposedly of a church that officially and dogmatically teaches that
Muslims and Christians adore the same one true God. In fact,
Muslims take pains to submit to God in his decrees,
just like Abraham did. So Muslims have the faith of Abraham,
according to Nostratate three. He doesn't know the Roman Catholic
dogmatic magister. He hasn't read Vatican Two, he hasn't read
the Council Trent, he hasn't read Denzinger.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know any of this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I've been trying to tell him for a few
years now, warning him about this.
Speaker 1: Doesn't care.
Speaker 2: He would rather yell at Muslims on the Internet than
actually learn what the Roman Catholic positions actually are, and
then fall back on Albrecht, who literally looks like a
gay leather daddy biker guy. I mean, you can't make
this up. H I mean, look at this, dude. It
looks like a biker daddy, right, like leather daddy. There's
a certain picture I was looking for. He did a
livestream recently where they used like an AI picture, which
I'm he thought. I think he thought it looked really cool,
but it actually looks like a leather daddy.
Speaker 1: I'll show what I'm talking about. Oh, I don't see it.
But he should be.
Speaker 2: He should be like the pastor of like a biker
church or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's his vibe.
Speaker 2: And look, we know Albert doesn't know anything about philosophy,
doesn't anything about metaphysics. All he does is bark about
I'm using their terminology, bark, bark, bark. All he does
is bark about church history and the papacy and what mary.
Speaker 1: That's like, it's the only things he talks about.
Speaker 2: So we're going to get into some of this defending
the papacy with our favorite over here is this loft
dog with our favorite loft dog. But before we do that,
one to remind you that it's not just no stratat
that talks about this relationship. It's also lumin Gentem sixteen.
So both of these texts are dogmatic official Vatican two teachings.
And if you're wondering why the manifestations that you're seeing,
the real manifesting is because you can't accept these contradictory
positions and not go insane. Roman Catholics, I literally believe
they actually go insane the more that they know and
understand and are exposed to what the papal teaching and
position actually is. And it says here the plan of
salvation also includes those that acknowledge the Creator, the first
of whom are the Muslims who profess to hold the
faith of Abraham and along with us, adore the One
and Merciful God. Now notice in the NO text it's
said that they do submit to God's decree just like Abraham.
Because Roman Catholics say, well, it doesn't say they have it,
says they profess to have it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: In Roman Catholic theology, adoration is a worship term. So
Muslims worship the One True God, and that's all premised
on natural theology in the Roman Catholic Church. Roman Church
which has dogmatized here, for example, this generic theism of
an Old Testament Unitarian God. That's how they came to
this conclusion. This is how the papacy has built an
Abrahamic faith Center in Abu Dhabi, which has already opened,
where Islam, Judaism and Christianity all can gather in terms
of human fraternity in Abu Dhabi to honor the One
Living God, the very thing that Noser Tate three in
Lumgentium sixteen.
Speaker 1: Say.
Speaker 2: Now, if this doesn't tell you that this church no
longer professes the trinitarian theology of the first thousand years
of Christianity and the Old and New Testaments, there's really
nothing else that would convince you.
Speaker 1: The problem in Rome. And it's not just well that
doesn't count. It's not dogma. No, Actually, Vatican two is dogma.
Speaker 2: Do you know that any Catholic church that you go
to in the world you are expected to believe Vatican Two.
There's no Roman Catholic churches that will tell you Vatican
Two is optional. In fact, the Catholic Catechism, the Catechism
of the Catholic Church, is filled with citations from Vatican Two.
Why would that be optional? On what basis is it optional.
It's not optional. You don't have an option to believe
it or not. In fact, there are five places in
Catholic dogma that tell you not only do you have
to believe the ex cathedral statements, you also have to
believe all the things that are normative ordinary teaching in
the Church. And even if you think it's wrong, even
if it's not quote infallible, you're supposed to submit to it.
With Docility's canon law on the Romancally Church. But this
is exactly why these people's pope, including sam Shimun's new
spiritual leader, goes in praise towards Mecca.
Speaker 1: In the mosques.
Speaker 2: And not just crazy Frank Benedict the sixteenth the so
called trad did the exact same thing. So imagine trying
to convince people for however many decades of how bad
Islam is, and then you're going into an entity whose
infallible divine terrorism head goes in praise in moss towards
Mecca and builds giant Abu Dhabi multi faith centers based
around the premise that Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship
the same generic God. There's a reason why the Catholic
apologists suck at defending the Trinity. It's not just because
of their ignorance, it's actually because they're being consistent with
your dogma. So there's not really a need for debate
with these people because they're not recognizing and don't have
discernment to see what is obvious departure. There's nobody in
the first thousand years of Christianity that would do anything
like this. And in fact, the ancient canons say you
cannot pray in the synagogues or in the heterodox churches.
Speaker 1: Church is so called.
Speaker 2: What does that tell you about Sam Schimun's made up
position that all the Apostolic churches are the church when
the canons of the councils say you can't go and
pray in the temples of the schismatics and the heretics
and in the synagogues. Now beyond that, the ancient canons themselves,
from of every of the seven Ecumenical councils, literally contains
canons that contradict Vatican one. And I'll give you this
article here that shows all of the canons that contradict
Vatican one. Now, the Document on Human Fraternity, this is
the document that Francis drew up that is the basis
for the Abu Dhabi Multi Faith Center. The entire document
is nothing but social justice warrior, one world religion nonsense.
So this is again, this is what these people are
signing on for. This is what Albrecht and all these
people are trying to convince you to join the thing
that Francis runs, which is already essentially put into law
church law, the very principles that especially Shamun has spent
decades arguing against. So there's a spiritual delusion that's at work.
Speaker 1: That's the root of this problem.
Speaker 2: You see, It's not an intellectual issue. And in fact,
the Vatican itself in their documents when it comes to acumenism,
their documents themselves admit and the very thing that the
Orthodox have said the entire time. This is the Francis approved.
Speaker 4: Ch.
Speaker 2: Eighty document, and it admits right there that the Bishop
of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over the churches
of the East in the first millennium. There you go,
that means that Vatican one's claims are not true.
Speaker 1: Do you see that?
Speaker 2: Beyond that, there was the new ecumenist doctrine known as
the Alexandria, a document on Synidality and premacy. This admission
also means that Vatican One is false. Now, none of
these people know about Vatican One. This is all Shimun
has no knowledge of this. But I'm gonna say that
you should go and read Vatican One in its entirety
at papalincyclicals dot net, because you're gonna see a lot
of things that most Roman Catholics don't tell you. So
just like when these people talk about the Muslims and
the evangelicals who convert Islam, and then they point out that, oh,
you didn't know about the sahibl Hai, you didn't know
about the Hadiths. You gotta believe you were just told
that Islam is simple. You didn't know you had to
believe all this other stuff. Well, guess what you didn't
know that you had to believe when.
Speaker 1: Im sanked them, did you?
Speaker 2: You didn't know that you had to go into canon
law in the Roman Catholic Church, which is binding on
you as a lay person. We'll see what Romancolic canon
law says about lay people and when they disagree with
the papacy.
Speaker 1: Although in a.
Speaker 2: Sense of faith, this is the Vatican too, kenlaw, although
in a sense of faith, a religious submission of intellect
and will must be given to a doction which the
Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops declares concerning faith
or morals when they exercise the magisterium, even if they
did not proclaim it a definitive act. So although it's
not in a sent of faith, in the sense of dogma,
in other words, they're saying that because the Pope might
teach something that is wrong in non magisterial cases, this
is called the ordinary teaching in Catholicism. Okay, do I
have to submit to the ordinary teaching in Vatican? In
the Roman Catholic canon law, a religious submission of intellect
and will must be given to the doctrines that the
Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops teach, even if
they do not declare it a definitive act.
Speaker 1: So this.
Speaker 2: Destroys the lie that they all tell each other that
they only have to believe the Ex Cathedra statements. And
I have a whole talk on this showing that that's
not true. There's five statements in Catholic theology and dogma
that tell you that you can't just believe the Ex
Cathedra statements. You don't get to handway Vatican two. And
just like when you call out the Muslims, Oh it's
not just Koran, baby, you also got to believe all
of this other haadith stuff. Oh it's not just hopes
ex Cathedral baby, you also got to believe all this
papal nonsense.
Speaker 5: Baby.
Speaker 1: Let's give you another easy example.
Speaker 2: In thirteen oh two, it was dogmatic that you had
to believe in the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop
to be saved.
Speaker 1: Do you know what this refers to?
Speaker 2: That the pope is not just a spiritual head of
all the world, he's also a temporal world ruler and magistrate,
a civil magistrate. And Boniface made this a dogmatic statement
in thirteen oh two that you will be damned if
you don't also accept the temporal authority. Now, post Vatican two,
the Roman Catholic Church no longer teaches this. In fact,
all of their documents about religious liberty, all the things
that you find indent redenta whatever into gracio whatever the
Vatican two uh do the tallest Humani Humane and the
other document right.
Speaker 4: Mh.
Speaker 1: They teach.
Speaker 2: Freedom of conscience, the freedom of worship, all of the
things that the post Vatican or the pre Vatican two
popes had condemned. So mauri vos quanti cura lamenta, bilesan pachindi,
dominici gragias. Those are some examples of the Syllabus of errors.
All the things condemned in the Syllabus of errors. That's
as late as Pious the ninth, the Pope the Vatican One.
All of that is reversed at Vatican two. Prior to
Vatican too, only a couple decades prior, because of the
dangers of the interfaith acumenist movement. Pious the Eleventh in
nineteen twenty eight wrote a famous and cyclical called Mortalium Animos.
And in Mortalium Animos, I'll give you the link he
outright condemns all interfaith gatherings as apostasy. There it is
right there. These interfaith gatherings, according to him, are a
surrendering of the faith. It is clear that the Apostolic
See cannot take part on any terms in these assemblies.
Nor is it lawful for Catholics to support the acumenus
interfaith works, because it would give rise to a false Christianity.
So you understand, it is an apostasy according to Mortalium
animals to have interfaith gatherings, and the papacy cannot support
it on any terms. Vatican two reverses this in an
outright one percent contradiction and doesn't just make the interfaith
gatherings amongst so called Christian groups, Protestants, Anglicans, whatever. Vatican
two goes even further and makes it an inter religious gathering.
And that's what happens at the two sec gatherings where
John Paul the Second gets all the world religions together
in a world prayer meeting, a world prayer meeting to
what to all your respected respective deities. So nineteen twenty
eight condemns all ecumenism right here, and within a few
decades suddenly ecumenism is the work of the Holy Spirit.
And this is what Shamun wants to go to. Well,
what I say about a lot of the people who
choose Roman Catholicism in these settings is that you get
what you deserve, you get what you choose. So here
is my talk from a while back, how Vatican one
refutes Roman Catholicism in the papacy.
Speaker 1: Right there.
Speaker 2: Here is another talk about how Vatican won in the
papacy are themselves contradictions. And I'm going to give you
another one about showing that Vatican two.
Speaker 1: You have to believe it.
Speaker 2: Romancallolics lie and tell these tall tales that, oh, you
don't have to actually believe that it cantoe, you can
handwave it. It doesn't count. You see, now, anything that
the papacy confirms, as you just saw, for the entire
church from the apostolic chair, you've got to believe it.
Speaker 1: And really it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter whether it's ex cathedral, whether it's universal ordinary magisterium,
because you still have to submit to the ordinary teaching
even when it's not infallible, as Kenan seven to fifty
two says. So this is why Shamoon and Albrecht and
all of these goofballs are out to lunch, because they've
chosen something for whatever reasons. I don't know what the
reasons are, various weird, dumb reasons. Maybe because the papal
Church loves skittles. Now, maybe it's a skittles thing. I
don't know, But I'm going to give you the proof
that you do have to submit to Vatican two. You
see this talk here, if you go to the description
of this talk. You will see the links to the
five places. Actually there's six. Now I put six in there,
six places in Catholic dogma that you have to accept
Vatican two. So you see, there's no outs here. There's
no way for these people, there's no place for them
to run. They're not going to be able to say, oh,
I don't have to accept Vatican two.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't have.
Speaker 2: To you know, interpret it in a rigorous way. None
of that works. You don't even get to interpret Vatican two.
Vatican two is what the papacy tells you.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: Now, what's the source of all this? Again?
Speaker 2: In ten ninety, when the papacy schismed from the Orthodox Church,
something radical happened in the Latin West. The pope decided
that he was also, on the basis of the forgery
known as the Donation of Constantine, a world ruler. And
not only was a world ruler, he also made it
dogmatic that in order to be saved, you must submit
to and believe.
Speaker 1: In his worldly temporal authority. See that.
Speaker 2: The Roman Catholic Church no longer teaches this. In fact,
the pope took off his triple cron he doesn't wear
a three tiered papal tiara triple crown anymore because it
signified his triple authority, including his earthly quisat hyderat king
of the World status. I'm not kidding when I say that.
And if you read what Diktatus Poppy initially says, the
claims are preposterous. They're outlandish and ridiculous. And you don't
see any of these claims in the first thousand years
of Christianity, because it's an evolution, it's a development. But
Shamoun and none of these people know this. And I
guarantee you Albrecs has no answer to this because he
probably isn't even aware what Unham Sunk Them says about
the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop. So in ten
ninety Pope Gregory the Seventh mandates Dictatus Pope that the
world that the Pope is a world ruler. By thirteen
oh two, Boniface the Eighth dogmatizes it in Unum Sunk
Them and even says that you have to believe.
Speaker 1: It to be saved.
Speaker 2: Okay, And post Vatican two, the Romancology Church teaches freedom
of conscience, freedom of worships, the dignity the human being,
and no one should be forced to believe this or
that the exact night and day opposite of this position. Now,
there are many more contradictions in Roman Catholic dog I'm
just giving you some of the easy basics to disprove
this stuff.
Speaker 1: You here in person. Oh so last, what we're doing
is talking about the.
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Speaker 1: I'm hype