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Speaker 1: Drama.

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Speaker 2: Oh these girls is out here, has starting some drama.

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Oh these ladies is getting sassy with me, And I'm

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just so scared.

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Speaker 1: I'm so scared.

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Speaker 2: I'm so scared that I asked two guys to come

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to debate and they weren't interested in debating. We had

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actually a pretty massive meltdown, as we're gonna see. So

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we're gonna be doing a little bit tonight. I'm gonna

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talk about what happened. Then I'm gonna talk about the

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specific refutations of what we've seen all breckt offer, which

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is pretty low tier stuff, and I'll show you exactly

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why no one is actually interested in all Breck. First,

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so all Brick likes to make a big huff and

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a big stink. And many years ago, when I first

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met Albrecht online, he asked for a debate and we

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talked about this in and it was going to be

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set up this is back in twenty nineteen here, and

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then I would give him a bunch of references, a

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bunch of links, a bunch of things to read, and

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then it would turn out that months later he wasn't

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able to do it, so he would only do originally

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debates several months out. I have several radio shows at

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that time. He wouldn't do YouTube debates, and I'm trying

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to I'm like radio, okay, Boomer, what are you talking about?

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And then I asked him if you'd like to debate

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something else, and the original statement that he gave was, well,

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let's do it six months from now, and then months later, oh,

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let's do it down the road. I've been busy, I've

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got stuff coming on coming up, I've had issues. I

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can't do it, okay. So this became a recurring thing.

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So this is would Saturday in December, So this is

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July twenty nine, twenty nineteen. How about an in person

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debate in December? Six months out? Then he says, let's

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do it. Then he says, here, let's do it dual stream,

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and I said, I don't think double streams will work,

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because at that time we were talking about him coming

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on my stream. And then what he used to do

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is that he would just hope that months later you

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would forget, and then when it came around time for

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the debate, he would say, oh, I've got personal issues

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coming up. And so UBI had a similar type of

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experience with William Albrick, and since that time pretty much

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everyone just quit caring or paying attention to him, and

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he didn't have any audience attraction until he got on

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Shimun's channel anyway. But his papacy stuff is literally just

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the most basic, bitch low tier stuff, as we'll see

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when we get to the all Brick presentation here in

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a moment, and we're gonna have fun reacting to that.

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But before we do, I'll explain what happened today. So

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Shamoon did a stream about the Trinity and Protestant and

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Catholic apologists and their different strategies and takes and who

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has a better model, and whether the Protestants were better

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than the Roman Catholics and so forth, and he said

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something to the fact of, well, right now, the Protestants

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are beating the Catholics on the Trinity because they will

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go to the Old Testament and they'll talk about the

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Nade of the Lord. That's true. However, what I disagreed

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with was that between these two, the protestantlogists and the

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Roman Catholic apologist, he was missing the obvious Orthodox apologists.

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I'm not talking about me, doctor Branson, and the entire

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history of the orthodox monarchical trinitarian model. And then he

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did later mention that now I don't care about, uh,

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the ultimate issue of whether he said that I was

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good to the trinity or whatever, I'm not worried about that.

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My point in dming him was that I don't believe

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either the Protestants or the Roman Catholics have good trinitarian

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models because they don't even have the Triad. And they

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don't have the triad because you don't just have the

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triad as an abstract doctrine in your head. It's not

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a doctrine that you have separate from the doctrine of

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the energies. There is no trinity without energy's doctrine. But

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the weird part about Shimun is that Shamun seems to

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think that you can have theophany, but he doesn't even

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know about the energies. The only way to have Theophanes

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is to have the energetic manifestation of those theophanies. But

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I don't think he even knows that, and I'm going

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to show you the evidence that he doesn't even seem.

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Speaker 1: To know that. So here's the horrible thing that I did.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, if you message him while he's doing a live stream,

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which I wasn't aware of this. I don't spend all

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my time watching Sam Shamun. I know many of you

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think that I do. But I've watched. I've watched some

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of his muzzle and debates, and that's about it. I

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dared to message him while he was streaming and said, hey,

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let's set up a friendly debate where we have time responses.

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That's the horrible demonic thing I did.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, if you ask Sam Shimun a question while he's

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trying to live stream, you're of the devil.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize this.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that that's what counts as demonic manifestation. Now,

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always calls anyone who disagrees manifesting manifesting manifesting. I mean

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people who have the vices or who lose their temper.

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demonic manifestations. This is just bizarre. But one of you,

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some of you might be wondering, well, why did you

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continue on being friends with Sam Chumun for so long? Well,

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I wanted to make Sam Schuman orthodox. I want him

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to become Orthodox, as is the case with everybody that

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we interact with, talk to debate with, and so I

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was always respectful, and I think everybody can attest to

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the fact that at no point in the last seven

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years of knowing Sam Chumun, can anyone point out any

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time where I ever said anything negative at all or critical,

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nothing but respect for Sam Chumun throughout those entire years.

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attention to the live stream. There's no reason to get

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mad over somebody dming you while you're live streaming, And

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why would that make anyone who dms you demonic? Is

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just bizarre, And nothing in the messages was out of

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the norm. Every time I've ever messaged Shamoon or said anything,

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it's always it's just direct, straightforward, no bs, no dancing around,

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just straight up, Hey, I disagree with your take on

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Protestant and Roman Catholic trinity models because you can't have

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this doctrine without the energies. Well, again, that was just

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way over the top. So you'll see here. Why this

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is what was happening.

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Speaker 3: Actually he just contacted me on Skype, so you guys

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think he does in here?

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Speaker 4: Okay, see this is what happened.

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Speaker 1: See what you did?

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Speaker 3: Jay? You can't control yourself? Now I wanna because they're

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out here here you go.

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Speaker 1: I can't control myself. So just d I mean this guy,

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I can't control myself. I'm springing out medmonically.

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Speaker 4: Possessed right here.

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Speaker 3: I guess he needs attention and this fan girls are

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pulling at them out.

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Speaker 2: I think he thinks that I need the attention when again,

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I brought him on the Alex Jones show. Now he's

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actually gonna make a reference to that later and say

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that I'm crazy conspiracy theorist when he went on.

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Speaker 1: The Alex Jones Show.

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Speaker 2: So that would mean he's also an insane lune conspiracy

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theorist before coming on the show that I invited him on.

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Speaker 3: Here it is, guys, let me show you right now

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as I'm going live. I don't know what's going on.

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He wants to debate William and I William and I

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here let me call him.

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Speaker 2: Let me see right here, does this look like demonic manifestation? Right?

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Speaker 1: And the other masters.

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Speaker 2: The messages say we can even do it in a

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friendly timed response way, like there's nothing It's the same

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kind of reaction with Calvin Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason that this happened too is that

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up the right roundtable, and he thinks they think that

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because no one wants to interact or have anything to

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do with William Albrick or Sam Shamun.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't tell him this then what

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hurt his feelings.

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Speaker 2: But the other reason the other people don't want to

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interact with all bragged is that they don't want to

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interact with Sam Chamun. And that's all the people in

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my circles. So no one else wanted to come on

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this roundtable. And so I was trying to figure out

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ways to set up the roundtable where we could have

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me to a presentation and then separately all Brick do

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a presentation. Well, I suggested that three or four times,

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and I don't guess. I guess that wasn't good enough

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because no one wanted to interact with Albreck because Albreck

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is a shady character that's fine, and because they don't

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like Sam chumun so.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't tell him any of that.

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Speaker 2: I just left all that out and tried to organize it,

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by the way I organized the Fresh.

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Speaker 1: And Fit thing to bring him on.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what, like, what was a vast

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conspiracy for me all these years to get him, help

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him out with nice interviews, big interviews, big spots, and

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what it was all to go after him to because

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just insane. It's like.

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Speaker 2: I disagreed with your take that Protestant and Roman Catholic

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apologist and the pop sphere like Aiken or any of

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those people that they any of them have very good

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takes on the Trinity. And so I asked simply four

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a timed response debate on my channel. Now, I'm going

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that he doesn't even seem to be aware of the

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energy's doctrine, which is odd because he's out here teaching

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the Trinity, debating all these topics, and then he plays

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a victim on his stream and says that you don't

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ask a person who's new to all this to come

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to debate. Well, then why are you teaching? If you're

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Shamun here in a second. I've got five main issues

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with what the problem is with Sam Shimun, and it's

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probably not what you think. I'm not going to go

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after him on a personal level. I don't do that.

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have any anything solid to stand on, that's what they

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go after. I'm going to point out what I think

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is the actual issue here, and it really has nothing

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to do with intellect or doctrines or dogmas or anything

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like that. It has to do with being willing to

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go into the catechumen.

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Speaker 1: It that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: And I think he's pretty much expressed that he would

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rather go to a Catholic church because quote, they give

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him communion. Well that doesn't I mean, that doesn't prove

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that it's the true church because they will give you

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the communion. His other arguments for why he's Catholic are

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things like miraculous meetings, of other Roman Catholics or something.

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if I met a bunch of you know, Satanists in

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the next week with that miraculously providentially, I mean, I'm

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supposed to join the church state it's it's a bad

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series of almost charismatic level stuff, and we're actually going

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to see that. I think there is an element of

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charismatic influence and delusion that's going on with Shamoun, which

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is also part of the problem when we look at

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his bizarre idea that dust particles that fly across his

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camera are miraculous presences and appearances, which yes, he actually

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believes that. And now people are sent running from the debate.

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Now you say, I offered multiple times for them to

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come and do a timed debate, and they said, no, no,

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you come to Williams channel right now. Well, I was

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on a podcast earlier tonight, as you can see. With

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quite frankly, I don't have time to go to Williams's channel.

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to debate and set up debates with William Albrecht, and

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so if they're not willing to accept a debate where

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there's timed responses. What's the point and what's the point

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of debating a person who himself can't debate or defend

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his positions. He's got to bring in his handler. But

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I told him he can come debate too, but they

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don't want that. Now, let me show you what I'm

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talking about. So here's the rest of what he says.

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Speaker 3: Do tried to respect? Now barking and manifesting.

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Speaker 2: Barking and manifesting, asking you to come have this discussion.

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Speaker 1: Barking.

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Speaker 2: So that's barking and manifesting. So you noticed that anyone

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who disagrees this guy thinks is demonically possessed.

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Speaker 1: Now he may actually believe this.

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Speaker 2: And what that suggests to me is like there's something

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going on, Like he actually thinks that everything that's happening

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is somehow like about and directed at him, as if

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someone couldn't just disagree with him or even just get

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angry with him. If somebody gets angry with you, do

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you immediately assume that they're demonically possessed. It's just bizarre.

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I mean, it's not true, but it might be a

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person who has a kind of a psychosis or is

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a dealing with certain types of bipolar issues, and I

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think that probably that's.

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Speaker 1: What's going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that to humiliate him, because I don't

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I'm not interested in going into this whole thing, as

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you're gonna see. Like when I tried to reach out

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again tonight to set up a debate, he just went

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off the hook. So I don't think this is a

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person that you can be reasonable with. So but and

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you'll see.

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Speaker 3: What right here, right here, sir, So don't lie for

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him because he's been trying to trying to get my attention.

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I'm live. I'm thinking, Okay, some other time, we'll do it,

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all right, So no, you fangirls. Shots fired.

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Speaker 2: So then he got mad because he messaged me in

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the middle of this and he said, why are you

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sending your minions into my chat? I've never sent minions

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into chats. I don't have the time or the energy

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interest in doing that. That's just the way the internet works.

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People will come and talk smack and then strategize and

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strategize and tell.

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Speaker 5: Go get him, guys.

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Speaker 2: I just put it publicly, right, So, at this point

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I posted the public question, why don't you guys both

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come and have a debate.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be on his time, so he

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can simmer it down.

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Speaker 2: Now, wait a minute, Shamoon always demands everyone come to

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his stream, and then when I offer for both of

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them to come to my stream, I didn't say it

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had to be right then. I just said, you guys

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want to come on. So he's making it like I

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demanded at the initial offer that he has to come

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on right now or today.

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Speaker 1: I never said that. I just said, do you.

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Speaker 2: Want to set up a friendly timed response, That's all

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it said. I said it would be good to do

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it timed so that people don't talk over each other.

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Now he's saying, oh, he just wants attention, demanding that

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I do it now.

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Speaker 1: There was no demand, so don't.

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Speaker 3: Be lying about him.

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Speaker 1: He's the one who did.

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Speaker 3: I don't usually call this guy out, but I guess

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he's getting too big for his riches.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, right, so because he's got clips channels that

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have spread his clips, he thinks I'm jealous of him,

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and I have to call him out because I don't

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have any other way to get attention or to get

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an audience. So it's not like I host a giant

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show or write for another giant show.

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Speaker 1: No, I only can get clips by fussing with him.

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Speaker 3: Now it's like King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

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Now you're telling me this is not a demonic attack,

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and I'll say, he's using him. We're focusing on Christ,

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glorifying Christ. He manifests. But I'm glad you exposed it.

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Speaker 2: So again, nothing else happened other than me asking him

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another question. I said, what are you getting mad about?

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I'm just asking you to set up a time debate,

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and now it's demonic manifestation. So it's almost like a

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cult leader where it's like dming a person during a

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stream and he loses his mind as if this is

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some giant personal attack. All I said was I disagree

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with your take on Protestant and Roal macalvol Trinity models.

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That was it.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: But that's all it takes is you're now demonically possessed

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and working to undermine him. When what I cooked you

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up with a fresh and fit, massive debate. But now

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I'm demonically possessed for daring to message you during a

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live stream. I mean it's just I mean, okay, I

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get it. He has a pet peeve that I understand

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this now, but why don't you just assume that, like

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maybe not, everybody knows that that's your pet peeve? Right

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to get message during a live stream.

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Speaker 1: I get messages all the time.

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Speaker 2: I get mad about it and cuss the people out

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because they messaged me.

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Speaker 1: Oh dare you you?

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Speaker 2: Dem Sagon sent you to message me during your laws dream?

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Speaker 3: Because now shots are fired? Okay now, and you guys

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know I didn't shot shoot right, I didn't fire shots. Okay,

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but that's good now for the rest of it. If

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you're listening, because Satan wants us, Satan wants us to

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be distracted, don't be distracted. No, his fangirls came manifesting.

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I blocked him. Guess I guess he's like calling out William.

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Speaker 2: Don't be he's lied calling out William. How is calling

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out William to debate a lie? That doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: He distracted focus because in the midst of my stream

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to call us out. Yeah, we're gonna drop everything, Jay,

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We're gonna drop Yeah, we're gonna drop you in a minute.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about leaving your stream to the baby.

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I just ask you if you'd like to set it up,

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So this is not true. He's acting like I demanded

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that he stop his stream and come to baby. It

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was a simple message to set up this debate or

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this discussion, which is the same message I sent tonight,

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and you'll see how.

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Speaker 1: He reacted when we set it up.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about it all right.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the reason that he's acting this

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way is because he doesn't want this to date.

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Speaker 1: He wants to poison.

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Speaker 2: The well and be so nasty that I won't debate,

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so that he will say that I'm a coward. When

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if he was actually disinterested in the truth, why wouldn't

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he just have this discussion anyway? Why wouldn't he come

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and have the discussion with time responses? There was no

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need for all of this. But one of the reasons

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that this kind of person does this is that it's

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a way to not have the debate by being so

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nasty and then accuse the people who don't want to

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interact with you as if they're totally scared.

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Speaker 1: Now you might say, oh, but Jay, you make jokes

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about people. Will you do this?

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Speaker 2: You do that when I operate on asking people to

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come to a debate. It's always professional. I just simply

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sent very brief, very clear, precise messages, would you like

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to set up a debate on this? And everybody knows this.

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I've been doing it for years. There's no screaming, there's

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no meltdowns, there's no crying, there's none of this that

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happens in informal debates where it's open for him, where

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people call in to challenge me. It's different from a

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formal debate setting where you have time responses.

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Speaker 3: Right, not on your time, take it easy. But you

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see here it says on his robe, and honest.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing about that he has to do it

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on my time. It was just an ask asking him

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to come and do it. You could do it a

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week from now.

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Speaker 3: Oh he has name. He has a name inscribed King

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of Kings and Lord of lords. So you're saying Jesus

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manifested by coming and disrupting a service that's about Jesus

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Christ and glorifying him. That's what satan your father does

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manifest to distract you, stupid horror. See the demons.

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Speaker 2: So because someone asked him to debate in a DM,

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the demons are sending people and everyone's a stupid horror.

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It literally makes me no, It's like it makes no

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sense at all.

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Speaker 3: Manifesting. Okay, now everyone else getting it? Everyone listening, Everyone listening.

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I need you to focus, get rid of these trolls now.

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I don't want you to get distracted. Do you guys

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see demonic. I'm in the midst of a session and

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the guy manifests good, I'm glad God exposed you. It's

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time to take you out first Corinthian six two to three.

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Speaker 2: So that this is his attitude when someone dms him

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because it's a live stream, it's demonic manifestation. It's time

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for him to take him out. I mean, this is

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just literally insane. This is like a mentally unstable person.

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I don't like, where did I ever say anything negative,

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critical at all, rude or anything, But I mean it

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was always completely respectful to him. And he doesn't have

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any evidence of any of that, by the way, Like

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there's me talking, smack me even being rude, critical of

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him at all. All he has is that I told

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him that no one wants to interact with William Albrick,

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and he thinks that's a gotcha that people are scared

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of al Breck.

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Speaker 3: He's working in Dude. Hey, Jay, your boys came to

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my live stream calling me out. So I'm thinking you're

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sending them. I'm trying to keep love with you and

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work with you, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Tell them to so again, this weird paranoia that I'm

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sending people to his livestream chat. Like, first of all,

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you have to join his channel and wait five hours

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to chat anyway, Like, you can't just join the channel

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in chat, So I don't know where he's I mean,

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this is bizarre, right, It's weird.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: Stop go to my comments section. They're calling him out

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as if I'm afraid. Come on, Jay, keep it real

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between us. I got your back, dude, come on all

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right anyway, by zu, I know you don't have to.

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They're coming because they're hearing you mention it because they

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didn't hear it on my stream. So tell them. Stop

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being used of the devil. Bro anyway, gotta get back

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to the stream. Love you, take care.

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Speaker 2: So how so I'm demonically possessed. I'm an agent of

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the devil. He thinks I'm sending people to a stream

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and then he's like, love you, bro, anyway.

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Speaker 4: See the Lord dot Com.

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Speaker 3: See, so he did shots fired, right, it's manifesting.

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Speaker 4: Okay, good, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, right.

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Speaker 2: So what I took issue with was in the stream

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he says that the Protestants are killing it on the

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Trinity because they go to the Angel the Lord in

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the Old Testament. And I understand that he was saying

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that they're doing better in that domain than the Roman

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Catholic apologists, who don't want to talk about the Trinity

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of the Old Testament because they have a pretty bad theology.

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But that wasn't what I was taken issue with. I'm

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taking issue with the idea that either the Protestant or

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the Roman Catholic trinitarian model are correct. I believe they're

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both wrong, and I think that you can demonstrate that

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not just in terms of the monarchia and how that's

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central too orthodox Trinitarian theology, especially from Constantin up On

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one of the Cappadocians, but also the Energy's doctrine, which

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is concomitant with that monarchical trinitarian doctrine of the Cappadocians.

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That's why the Eastern Fathers in the Eastern Councils dogmatize

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the Energy's doctrine. But he doesn't even know that the

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energy's doctrine is in the New Testament. As I'm going

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to show you when he starts, as he says, barking

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about the energy's doctrine itself.

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Speaker 3: We're going to call him out to Dorian. You had

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me there. That's why his fangirls are manifesting. I feel

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bad for you Orthodox brothers and sisters, seriously.

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Speaker 2: So if you're Orthodox, you're just my fan girl. Even

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though how does he know that the profiles asking him

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to debate are necessarily Orthodox, And maybe they're a bunch

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of Roman Catholics, maybe they're Wagner's fans, maybe they're Protestants

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who want to see this kind of a debate. He

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just assumes that people in the chat are asking him,

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that are asking him to debate are demonically possessed Orthodox people.

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Speaker 3: Orthodox Church is a glorious church, but when you got

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people like this representing you, it's sad.

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Speaker 2: It really is so now because someone dared to take

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issue with his bizarre idea that Roman Catholics, Orthodox and

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Protestants all have good Trinitarian theology, which doesn't make any sense,

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by the way, which is going to be the root

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00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:50,200
of his chief mistake. The idea that there's a Apostolic

473
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,599
Church that exists amongst a bunch of sects and different

474
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,880
schisms is complete nonsense and doesn't exist. There is no

475
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Apostolic church that isn't a specific Apostolic church. So that

476
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:06,440
will get to in a moment, but will finish this.

477
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm being honest with you. It's like when a past

478
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,680
they prophet said, Luigi, if you're to judge Orthodoxy by

479
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,880
you guys online, he would never become Orthodox.

480
00:28:03,920 --> 00:29:20,599
Speaker 2: Shamoon critique David Wood because he said that you can't

481
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:28,799
make you can't make your Christianity anti Islam, right, and

482
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:33,559
we saw this with David Woodhu mean with Christian Prince.

483
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,799
Christian Prince was this goofball who doesn't know anything about

484
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,720
church history. He's never heard of Athenasians. He didn't know

485
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,160
who Athenasius was. But the extent of his Christianity and

486
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,920
his catechisis was just anti Islam.

487
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:47,519
Speaker 1: And you've got a lot.

488
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,359
Speaker 2: Of people, very low tier, very low information voters who

489
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,559
don't know church history, they don't know the actual theology.

490
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,359
They think that theologies is being anti Islam, and so

491
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,039
they convert to Jesus and that's step one. That's good,

492
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:08,680
but there's no Jesus ultimately without the church. Jesus set

493
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,880
up a church, not three thousand different conflicting ones, and

494
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,880
not five different rival quote Apostolic ones like he thinks.

495
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,640
And the amazing thing is that he even admits over

496
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,440
and over in his streams that the reason he's not

497
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:27,799
Orthodox is precisely that he would have to start over

498
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:31,519
and be catechized. And because the Roman Catholics give him communion,

499
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,599
but that doesn't prove, that doesn't show that it's true.

500
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,519
Just because they give you communion, that's a terrible argument

501
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,720
and justification and other sort of emotive reasons that are

502
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,559
not good reasons, which again I think goes back to

503
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,599
this almost charismatic influence that we see with Sam Chamun.

504
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,799
I'm just over here manifest and Doll, I'm just.

505
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,799
Speaker 1: Manifest and dog, okay, stop manifested.

506
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,079
Speaker 2: And the problem is that he's not catechized. Okay, So

507
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,319
he just learned about Apostolic succession and the post Apostolic

508
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,039
fathers not too long ago, right, he was doing a

509
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:13,680
commentary on the stream that Trent Horn did. Trent Horn

510
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:17,000
talked about the Apostolic fathers in his debate and showed

511
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,119
that they teach Apostolic succession. So when Shamun reviews that,

512
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,559
he says, this is blowing my mind. This is blowing

513
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,920
my mind. So you didn't know that the abstotic fathers

514
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,720
have Apostolic succession.

515
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:31,319
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like basics, right.

516
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: So you got a person who learned a lot of

517
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
the Bible as a Protestant, and learned a lot of

518
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,880
Islamic arguments as a Protestant, and was a very proficient

519
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,480
even as a Calvinist debater against Islam. But Christianity is

520
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:47,000
not Calvinism. It's not Protestantism, and it's not your made

521
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:51,519
up church of apostolic that exists among a bunch of

522
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,799
sex and splits and schisms. And he even defends mar Maury,

523
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,079
who created his own denomination. It doesn't make any sense.

524
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,480
So why is this. He doesn't know anything about the

525
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,279
divine energies, He doesn't know anything about Christology, he doesn't

526
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:08,880
know anything about the Patristic teaching and the Acumenical Council's teachings,

527
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,279
and so he's wandered into papism because he thinks that

528
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,519
that's gonna make it easy for him and it's going

529
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:19,240
to give him a broader reach amongst the so called

530
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:20,720
Christian YouTube.

531
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:21,839
Speaker 1: Audience or whatever.

532
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:24,759
Speaker 2: Well, you can make that decision if you want. But

533
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:28,519
the problem is that the papacy itself is a spiritual delusion.

534
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:31,319
And I'm going to show you that we're going to do.

535
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,839
We're gonna look at William Aubrecks's terrible argumentation about the papacy,

536
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,400
how low tier it is. But again, the key point

537
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,680
is that sam Chimun has no teaching blessing. No one

538
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,480
becomes a teacher that's self appointed. It doesn't exist. In fact,

539
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,359
even in the Roman Catholic world, it's not really supposed

540
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:54,119
to exist. I mean, in today's Romancatholic world, nobody cares

541
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,640
about it. They can do whatever they want. But you

542
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,079
cannot be a self appointed teacher. You have to be

543
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,240
cold to teach or given a blessing to teach. And

544
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,640
this is a basic principle Hebrews five.

545
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: As you guys know, for.

546
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,519
Speaker 2: Every high priest taken from among men, is appointed for

547
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160
men and things that pertain to God. He may offer

548
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,279
both sacrifices gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can have

549
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,839
compassion on those who are ignorant goes stray because he

550
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,680
himself is also subject to weaknesses.

551
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,599
Speaker 1: But because of this.

552
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: He's required as for the people, so as for himself

553
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,759
to offer sacrifices for sins. No one takes this honor

554
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,359
of priesthood and teaching, etc. On themselves, but they are

555
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,319
cold to it. What bishop, priest or authority has actually

556
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:52,160
called Sam Shamun to his parachurch ministry. Now I don't

557
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:56,680
personally have a big deal with people debating or this

558
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:05,000
or that. The problem is that Sam Chimun presents himself

559
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:10,400
as having this ministry right. And it doesn't matter that

560
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,840
you defeat Muslims in a debate. That's not what makes

561
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,360
the ministry valid. The question is who appointed you to

562
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,360
have ministry? Who appointed you.

563
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: To have that?

564
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: You have to be under some authority. But nobody knows

565
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,800
what priest, bishop, or what blessing from the episcopacy was

566
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920
given to Sam Chamun to have a public ministry. It's

567
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,800
just self appointed, like many of the online YouTube crowd.

568
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,639
Just like Christian Prince who has no church, who has

569
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,920
no blessing, Sam Schimun's church is the one that he's

570
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:53,320
invented in his head. That is quote Apostolic meaning Oriental,

571
00:34:54,599 --> 00:35:00,199
Assyrian Church of the East, Roman Catholic and Orthodox, and

572
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,280
apparently also many Protestants that he just happens to like

573
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,000
that week. They're all somehow part of the Apostolic Church.

574
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,519
But if you go back to the Niceno Constantpolitan Creed,

575
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,639
when the Kappadocians who wrote the Creed and compile that

576
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,679
creed put one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, what do

577
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,679
you think they meant? Do you think that when they

578
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,679
wrote that they meant the Novationists. Did they mean the

579
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:37,519
schismatics of that time? Did they mean the Eunomians? They

580
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:44,239
meant that there is one canonical visible church structure, and

581
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,280
that one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church is the only one,

582
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,320
and the church fathers unanimously clearly teach that any heresy

583
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,719
or schism is a leaving of that body. There are

584
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,960
no schisms in a literal sense, in the sense of

585
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,760
two churches churches out of communion right excommunicating one another,

586
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,400
that are still the church.

587
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist.

588
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,559
Speaker 2: And so because he doesn't understand Christology, he has a

589
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:25,400
Nestorian ecclesiology, where Christ exists amongst divided excommunicated thousand plus

590
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:34,000
year splits is Christ divided? Paul says, So Sam Schmoun

591
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:41,639
has a Calvinist invisible church ecclesiology. Still, he's an ecclesiological heretic.

592
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,760
That's the main problem right here, because for him to

593
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,880
admit that there is a single canonical church that he

594
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,119
would be under the authority of would mean that he'd

595
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,280
have to be recatechized, and he just simply doesn't want

596
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,199
to do that. So it is at root of pride issue.

597
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,400
And I'm going to tell you that you shouldn't listen

598
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,320
to him, not because he's wrong about Islam or something

599
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,440
like that, but he's just a self appointed guy who

600
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,880
claims to have sort of miraculous weird I don't even

601
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,800
know what it is like miracles happen that confirm his

602
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:20,280
quote ministry. What are the miracles and things that he

603
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,079
claims prove his ministry? Dust flying across his screen what

604
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:26,599
he calls orbs.

605
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 3: Bless our brother, preserve him in a family, and healed

606
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,039
our hearts in us phenomena watch it, he answered the

607
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:35,559
way I will.

608
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: Now, the funny thing is that I didn't even see

609
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,320
a dust orb in that video. But again he thinks

610
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,639
that dust orbs. He's not joking. By the way, this

611
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,000
is actually on his channel and he's got multiple ORB videos.

612
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,119
Speaker 1: Let's see another one.

613
00:37:51,880 --> 00:38:03,639
Speaker 2: While this ORB is incredible, So a dust particle flies by.

614
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,760
He thinks that angels are flying around in his dirty

615
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,599
ass kitchen right with his dunkin donuts.

616
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Nasty ass.

617
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: The reason that you have health issues is your diet, dude,

618
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,920
all your dunkin Donuts, garbage food you got in there,

619
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,639
and your cereal boxes or whatever garbage you're eating.

620
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,599
Speaker 1: That's why you have diet issues. Bro.

621
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,679
Speaker 2: It's not doing cardio. But he's too boomer. He doesn't

622
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:27,760
even know about diets. He thinks doing cardios. What makes

623
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,280
you thin? No, dude, it's none of that. Oh look

624
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,039
another orb. This is a winged ORB according to Sam Chamun.

625
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll be the bad copy.

626
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: So winged ORB a piece of dust or a reflection.

627
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,840
Maybe that dirty ass apartment just needs to be cleaned up, bro,

628
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,280
Maybe you need to vacuum that dirty ass apartment. What's

629
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,360
more likely that there's a jos flying around that nasty

630
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,639
kitchen or he just needs to vacuum. What's more likely?

631
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:14,920
These aren't jokes either way. Like he actually thinks here's

632
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,639
his fan base.

633
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,199
Speaker 1: I saw one of them live.

634
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,679
Speaker 2: I saw one of them orbs live when you was

635
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,559
at that hotel.

636
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: God is surely with you. You look at this chick

637
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,320
presence of angels. The veil is thin or almost home.

638
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,039
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is what we're talking about here, orbs

639
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,880
miraculous dust, orbs that proved the ministry of Sam Chamun.

640
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: All right, anyway, he's manifesting because I guess he wants

641
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,519
our numbers and our fame.

642
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have Sam Chamun fame.

643
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm jealous.

644
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,119
Speaker 2: Later on he'll say that I wrote a conspiracy book

645
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,480
because I don't have enough money. I don't write books

646
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,519
for money, dude, Like the books don't make any money.

647
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,599
Speaker 3: Yeah see, So there you go. So you made a

648
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,920
community post. You see see that, Arthur Christos, There you go,

649
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,239
you guys man, you do a lot of damage to

650
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,400
the church. Okay, now another one.

651
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: What church Sam?

652
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: Would that be the Assyrian Church of the East. Would

653
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,440
that be the Anglican sect? Would that be the Roman

654
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,639
Catholic Communion? Would that be the Coptic to the Tawahda?

655
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,280
What is the church? So you see, the whole point

656
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,760
is that he doesn't have the church. He's missed the

657
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:40,639
very thing that what three weeks ago when he talked

658
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,440
about the Trent Horns, like he just learned that the

659
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,199
post topsuck fathers teach I saw a succession, or that

660
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,880
he had never seen these quotes before. So what are

661
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,880
you going to do when you get to the energies

662
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,760
in the sixth Council when you learn that.

663
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: Let's hammer this Isaiah forty See, the Lord God comes

664
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,400
with Mike and his arm rules for him. So you

665
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,719
can't stop. Guys, Look, you can't stop. He's got a

666
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,599
chim in say, because he wants to be used of

667
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,840
the devil. You see, guys, watch, I can't stop, and

668
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,679
I'm always listening.

669
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,039
Speaker 2: I want to be used as the double Dead. The

670
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:18,079
only reason I would contact you is because I want

671
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:18,920
to be used of the.

672
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: Devil, Like because he wants to be used of the devil.

673
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:25,800
This is crazy, ha ha, No, Jay, you're not manifesting.

674
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,199
Speaker 2: I mean, look at this guy. I asked him in

675
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,559
the comments. I was like, what do you mean I'm manifesting.

676
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,239
I was like, because I asked you a question.

677
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep manifesting. I know I'm your in your head.

678
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,960
Take it easy. I know I own you. In time,

679
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,719
I'll do to you what I did on your discord

680
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,320
with the cannon.

681
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: You didn't do anything on the on the cannon. You

682
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,920
actually believe the position that I argued. Now, so he's

683
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,880
referring to this this discord argument we had about the cannon,

684
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,480
which is ironic because he now believes the position I

685
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,159
was arguing for. He doesn't believe the Protestant position on

686
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,039
the canon, so he thinks that he won this stupid

687
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:11,559
argument from seven years ago that he now believes the

688
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:14,079
opposite of the thing I was arguing. He was arguing

689
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:18,039
the Protestant canon. I was arguing the Orthodox Canon. He

690
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:22,639
now believes the Catholic Orthodox Canon. So this is nonsense, patience,

691
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,559
all right, anyway, this is actually I think this is

692
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,159
literally an insane person. I actually think he's just literally

693
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,719
just nuts. And the reason I say that's not because

694
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,960
I'm mad or that I like when I play you

695
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,840
what he says about the Energies, it makes no sense

696
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,599
because he argued for the Theophanes against Wagner and the Tomists,

697
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,239
and then he's going to make fun of the Energies.

698
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,719
It's like he doesn't even know that the only way

699
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,800
to have the theophany is is the energy doctrine. It's weird, yep.

700
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,719
I don't think I think that there's like something off

701
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,679
with this guy, like he's off. He doesn't even see that.

702
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,880
Seven years ago you were arguing the Protestant canon. I

703
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,000
was arguing the Orthodox Catholic canon. You now have that position.

704
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,760
How did you defeat me in that discord debate?

705
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: It's stupid, be radical, Thomass. Okay, see the Lord God

706
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,559
comes with Mike and here we go, guys. Yeah, I'm manifesting.

707
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: Guys.

708
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,599
Speaker 3: Look here you go. See every time see tell me

709
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:31,559
sing's not working. Brother, I'm I'm un alive.

710
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 4: Man.

711
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,119
Speaker 3: Here you go, Jay, here you want.

712
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: Here, here's the demonic possession. I'm always straight up, I'm manifesting.

713
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,199
I'm asking you to debate, and I said, we're going dude,

714
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,159
I mean that's just insane.

715
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: All right, Brother? I love you, Jay, I love you, Jay,

716
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,599
swear I love you. I love you.

717
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: Matt to notice this perform of nonsense? Does he even?

718
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,519
Speaker 2: It's like there's two different sam Chamuns, Right, There's like

719
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:08,360
the sam Shamun that loves you and is patient and

720
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,159
kind of nice with you and then suddenly there's this

721
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,119
like one is screaming and cussing and like calling you.

722
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:19,679
Speaker 1: This and that and again.

723
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,079
Speaker 2: The issue is that you can't actually overcome a lot

724
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:29,000
of these issues without the aid of the grace that's

725
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,400
uncreated in the Orthodox Church. So the sad part is

726
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,119
that the very thing that he is mocking, I'm going

727
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,480
to show you where he starts mocking the divine energies.

728
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,320
That's the very thing that would heal him and that

729
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,960
he needs. But that's the thing that he's gonna mock,

730
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:44,960
which is really weird and bizarre.

731
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: Because of the post you posted, brother, I love you, man,

732
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:52,880
I swear I do love you. You posted that post because

733
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,400
you must.

734
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: So I'm demonically possessed. I'm like totally jealous of him.

735
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,119
Never said anything bad about him ever. All I did

736
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,400
was ask him to set up a public debate, which,

737
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,880
by the way, we've already been talking about doing right,

738
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,400
setting up something with me, him and Albrecht and other

739
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,400
people for months. And I'm the worst. Oh, but I

740
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,199
love you and you're really great and by the way,

741
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,679
been respectful for you. Blah blah blah. It's just it

742
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:18,639
doesn't make any sense.

743
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: I said, you won't stop texting me. Brother, I'm in

744
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,199
a live stream, and.

745
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: You don't have to answer your phone on a live stream.

746
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,480
Nobody is forcing you to debate or answer your phone

747
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:35,039
on live stream. So this radical swing between as you

748
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,119
can see here, between I love you, I love you, bro,

749
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,000
You're the great yeah, blah blah blah, We've been great

750
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:44,519
friends blah bah blah to just pure hatred. That's bipolar,

751
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,039
that's a manic bipolar.

752
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: And the guys are coming here and say, when do

753
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,880
you go to bate jay For the love of our

754
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,840
god Jay, let me finish, brother, let me finish what

755
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,880
I'm doing. I know you're listening. Let me get to

756
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,599
my stuff. Let me get ahold of William because you

757
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:00,920
guys the experts on.

758
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,559
Speaker 2: So somebody's saying that Sam Shamun has talked about his

759
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,719
mental health issues. I wasn't even aware of this, so

760
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:17,280
I don't know what this is new to me. What

761
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,400
exactly does he say? I don't even know what are

762
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,960
his issues. Somebody that actually knows, can you enlighten me?

763
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,119
Because that would actually make things a lot more sensible.

764
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,960
I would like if he does have actual bipolar issues

765
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,440
and medicine that he takes. Maybe that would make more sense.

766
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,320
I would understand these issues.

767
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to be learning as we're going to. Please

768
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:42,199
be patient, brother, I love you. I swear I'll even

769
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,000
go to Turkey and get a hair transplant if it'll

770
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,199
make you happy. So I don't look as fat and

771
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,159
ugly and I don't have a gay list like.

772
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,159
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never commented on his appearance or said

773
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:55,800
anything negative about him. But you notice that he immediately

774
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,519
starts talking about this like there's some sort of rivalry

775
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,639
or in be like because I have hair.

776
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: Or something I don't. I don't know what he'd like.

777
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: Maybe bald people are just typically rage induced, like they're

778
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,440
mad at the people that have hair, Like who even cares? Dude,

779
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,719
don't care whether you got hair or whether you're bald,

780
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,320
It doesn't matter to me. But he's He's brought this

781
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,039
up a lot, and I've always just took it like

782
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,679
maybe he's joking, but maybe he actually like has a thing,

783
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,000
like he feels what intimidated because people have hair.

784
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, Jimmy White, And I promise you I

785
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,840
won't wear Cosby sweaters. I promise you.

786
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: Well, let me finish.

787
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: Please let me finish, Broker, nobody's making you look at

788
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,840
your phone like all you gotta do is like turn

789
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,840
your screen off or put the phone in the other room.

790
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:50,559
Like what are you talking about?

791
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:56,159
Speaker 3: He's done broke me, man? It done broke me man,

792
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,519
bro he doesn't broke me man, by the way is

793
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:02,199
avery life?

794
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,119
Speaker 4: He breaks were?

795
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: All right?

796
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:09,639
Speaker 4: He breaks me man.

797
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,679
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell's going on? Guys, what's

798
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,360
going on this this lent season?

799
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 5: Bro? What is going on?

800
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,159
Speaker 3: Do you see the attacks? Damn?

801
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 5: Can I gotta break?

802
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,679
Speaker 1: All right? So that's enough of that. I mean, I

803
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,440
don't even what is what? What is he talking about? Attacks?

804
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: Like asking you to come and have a debate in

805
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,880
a timed way. It's not an attack. So it's just

806
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,480
weird man, bizarre. Now I want to go over to

807
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:46,079
this because this was so Later on tonight, after all this,

808
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,559
I sent him another message that was not rude. It

809
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,000
was just straight up like do you want to come

810
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,440
on and set this up? And here's his response.

811
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:02,559
Speaker 4: We're gonna call you all. We're gonna get you. Don't

812
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:06,360
worry boy, Now, girl, get some more energies.

813
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: They will help you get more energies.

814
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,119
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll help you. It's like he doesn't even.

815
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,039
Speaker 4: Like I said, thanks for the receipt, queer bait. I'm

816
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:25,159
gonna show them who ran from William? Down? Girl, ape down,

817
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,400
keep following. Good, We're gonna call you out. We're gonna

818
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,000
get you. Don't worry about it. Down girl, get some

819
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:32,679
more energies.

820
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: Maybe will help you get more energies.

821
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: You like I said, thanks for the received queer bait.

822
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show them who ran from William. Damn girl,

823
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,079
kelb a note down, Keep following.

824
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna call So there you go. So the the

825
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:58,079
energies he thinks are just something.

826
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,559
Speaker 1: That you make fun of. It's like a joke.

827
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: Maybe your divine energies will help you out. Does he

828
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,119
not know that this is fundamental to the New Testament,

829
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,480
the doctrine of the divine energies. And for those who

830
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,159
are serious about the stuff, you could read an excellent

831
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:18,119
book on that, which is doctor David Bradshaw's book, Divine

832
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,320
Energies and Divine Action, and he has a great section

833
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,119
where he talks about that the energy's doctrine is essentially

834
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:28,000
something that comes from Scripture. It's not invented by the Cappadocians.

835
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,679
It's not invented by Palamas, it's not invented by.

836
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:31,679
Speaker 1: Maximus the Confessor.

837
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,519
Speaker 2: The doctrine of energies is literally the Pauline New Testament

838
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:43,360
terminology innergaya erginon inergenon for how God is at work

839
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,360
in us and what we partake of, right, and he.

840
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: Thinks it's something to laugh at.

841
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense, which makes me think that

842
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,280
there's some sort of like bipolar manic sort of episode,

843
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,440
which was triggered because initially asked him in DM to

844
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:06,480
do a debate that made him upset, and then when

845
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,920
he started saying that was demonically possessed and all this

846
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,079
weird stuff, then I said it publicly on the community post.

847
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,079
So as you can see, Uh, inner gaya is the

848
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:22,119
working and the efficiency, uh, the superhuman power of God

849
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,559
in time and space in us. Whether it's Ephesians three, seven,

850
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,199
Colossians two, twelve, Colossians one twenty nine, Fijians one nineteen,

851
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:34,679
Fijians four, sixteen, Philippians three twenty one, second, Thessalonians two nine,

852
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,920
second Dessolians two eleven. Uh, And there are other derivations

853
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,159
of the word too, So there's also dunamas or power

854
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:50,159
and dunamas is also an equally important New Testament terminology

855
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:56,199
use that is basically synonymous with the Orthodox doctrine of

856
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:03,159
the uncreated energies of God. Now he doesn't know the

857
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,039
Church fathers at all other than quote mining, so he's

858
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:10,119
not even aware of that. Basil's Letter two thirty four

859
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:19,679
is a classic text outlining what the Patristic doctrine of

860
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,519
the energies is. This is again everybody should know this.

861
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,719
If you're Orthodox, let me make it bigger.

862
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,079
Speaker 1: So he thinks it's funny. I think that you just

863
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:34,280
laugh at it. It's like you just the energy's.

864
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,039
Speaker 2: Doctrine is a joke or something, and hahaha, get your

865
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,639
energies to come help you. Queer eight right, that's what

866
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:43,199
he says to me, which, by the way, I'm married,

867
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,599
so is he married?

868
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,199
Speaker 1: Calling me? I don't understand.

869
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: Do you worship what you know or what you don't know?

870
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,280
If I say that I worship what I know, they

871
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,480
immediately say, what is the essence the object of worship?

872
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,039
This is talking about the Eunomians. Then Youomians thought you

873
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,880
could know and see and perceive and define the divine

874
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,639
essence I confess that I'm ignorant of the essence. They

875
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,519
turn to me and they say, so you worship what

876
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,760
you don't know. I answer that the word to know

877
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,199
has many meanings. You heard me say this a lot.

878
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,000
We say that we know the greatness of God, his wisdom,

879
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:20,960
his powers, goodness, his providence, and the justness of his judgments.

880
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:22,039
But judgment but.

881
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: Not his essence.

882
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: The question therefore, only put forth for the sake of dispute, right,

883
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,880
is that we do not know the essence. But the

884
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,159
operations come down to us. And that's the point of

885
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:42,840
Basil's apologetic Here, these operations or attributes or energies. And

886
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,840
when Basil writes this, the term he uses is inner gaya,

887
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,000
the energies. He says, the inner gaya come down to us,

888
00:53:53,000 --> 00:54:00,440
and those are the attributes or the operations. Right, And

889
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,119
in fact he even rebukes what you hear the Roman

890
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,360
Catholics and the Thomas teach. Are all of these terms

891
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,800
just names of essence? Besil says, that would be a reductio.

892
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,079
Is there the same mutual force and his loving kindness,

893
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,239
and his justice and his creative power, that they're all

894
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:25,760
just names of essence? For they confess that there's a

895
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,039
distinction between the essence and one of the attributes enumerated.

896
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:33,039
The operations are various. He says that even the Unomians

897
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:35,760
confess there's a distinction between the essence and the attributes.

898
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,840
The operations are various, but the essence is simple. Operations

899
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,039
is innergaia. We know God from his energies, but we

900
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:49,960
do not partake to approach near his essence. There you go,

901
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:59,039
And what does sam Chamun think about the energies? So

902
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,000
the divine energies a fundamental New Testament doctrine.

903
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: What does he think.

904
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:11,079
Speaker 2: You get more energies?

905
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:14,159
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll help you, all right?

906
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:18,159
Speaker 2: So uh, final point then with him is just simply

907
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:24,480
that for him, there's no there's no Apostolic Church. In reality,

908
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,320
there's an invisible Calvinist, invisible church that exists amongst all

909
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,719
the ones that he calls Apostolic. That so called Apostolic

910
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:41,400
church has no unified teaching on Christology, the energies, or

911
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,480
any of the other crucial doctrines of the first thousand

912
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,440
years of Christianity. In fact, in his mind, you could

913
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,960
go to an Anglican church that doesn't believe in energies

914
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,920
onncreative grace. He could go to a Monophysite church that

915
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,360
says something totally different, and you go to an Orthodox church.

916
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: They're all the church, but there.

917
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,559
Speaker 2: Is no such thing as his made up church. Number two,

918
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,599
His position doesn't make any sense if he's gonna mock

919
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:08,960
and make fun of energies, when this was his whole

920
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,920
point about rejecting the Thomists. The Thomasts were arguing that

921
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,079
the Angel of the Lord has to be a created

922
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,760
hologram or a created being an angel, and so he

923
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,719
saw that theophanies a theophanies. Okay, but you don't have

924
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,559
theophanies without the essence sentery distinction. He doesn't even know this.

925
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,480
So this is a person who doesn't know any Orthodox theology,

926
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:36,320
is not catechized, he has no teaching, no authority, no blessing.

927
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,360
So he's basically just still a Protestant.

928
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:40,159
Speaker 1: Is the issue.

929
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: And if you come to Orthodoxy, one of the things

930
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,039
you have to learn is that it takes many years

931
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:51,519
to get healed from Protestantism and Calvinism. And of course

932
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:56,159
he comes out of a Calvinist background. So there's no

933
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,079
true church in his position. He has an historian in

934
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:05,400
visible church ecclesiology. There's no consistent, coherent doctrine of Theophanes

935
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,519
because he says that the energies are something to make

936
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:10,559
fun of, which he doesn't understand is the only way

937
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:15,760
to have Theophanes. There's no bishop or authority above him

938
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,360
that keeps him in check or calls him out or

939
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,440
has given him a blessing to have a quote ministry. Okay,

940
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,840
and I'm talking about debating. He himself says it's a ministry.

941
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:30,039
And so he's still not catechized properly as an Orthodox person.

942
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,519
He went directly from anti Islam to now I'm suddenly

943
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:38,719
made up Catholic church apologist ministry online. So he's in

944
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,960
the same position as James White of self appointed public

945
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:47,320
teacher with no authority or oversight. And five, he has

946
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,119
bad reasons for remaining a Roman Catholic. They're all personal,

947
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:53,679
subjective reasons that he feels there's orbs that are surrounding

948
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,280
him and that's telling him this and that, And he

949
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,159
has miraculous meetings with Roman Catholics telling him that he

950
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:03,599
needs to be Roman Catholic. And you know he feels

951
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:07,000
this and that those are not good reasons. Well, I

952
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,800
can have communion at the Catholic Church and the Orthodox

953
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,880
won't give it to me. Well, maybe you need to

954
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,199
be catechized and start the process, but that would require

955
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,800
humility and abjuration of errors, and so you understand that

956
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:24,960
what's the root issue here. The root issue is that

957
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:28,679
you can't make up your own online church. You have

958
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,119
to be under authority and you have to go through

959
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:35,719
the process of being healed and have a change in

960
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,079
your noetic faculties to be opened up to this new

961
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:43,920
theology which has only had through the sacraments. And you

962
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,960
cannot keep hatred and anger from your Calvinist days as

963
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,960
your modus operandi of the Orthodox Church. Doesn't mean you

964
00:58:52,960 --> 00:59:00,760
can't debate people, but the erratic, weird manifestations display some

965
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,239
kind of healing that's needed and that can only happen

966
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,840
through having a spiritual Father that holds you in check

967
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,239
and the sacraments.

968
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Speaker 1: In the Orthodox Church.

969
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Speaker 2: That's it, And this is why Roman Catholicism doesn't provide

970
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,000
this healing. Roman Catholicism doesn't even have a noose doctrine.

971
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They don't believe in the heart. There's just the intellect

972
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and the body. So he's unknowingly gone into a thing

973
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,480
that ironically is the very opposite of the theology that

974
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:33,840
he's been arguing for the last however many decades or years.

975
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,639
He doesn't even understand that Roman Catholic dogrine dogma. And

976
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:42,800
he thinks this because he's listening to an idiot. He

977
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,719
thinks that when Albrich tells him, he doesn't have to

978
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,079
believe this, or he can twist this and interpret it

979
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:47,800
in some other way.

980
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: No, no, you don't understand.

981
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: And I've sent him this the issues about your attitude

982
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,679
in Roman Catholicism that you have to submit to the magisterium.

983
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:00,159
Speaker 1: Magisterium is not what you think it is.

984
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:03,639
Speaker 2: So they're all going to be Protestants him and allbright

985
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:07,760
when they go into reading the magisterial texts and say.

986
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:09,159
Speaker 1: Well, I have to accept that. I don't have to

987
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,519
do this because I've already been down this road. I've

988
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:11,840
done the.

989
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,639
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic thing. I know how it works, I know

990
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,480
all of this Roman Catholic nonsense inside and out. The

991
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,679
Church regards with esteem the Muslims. Does that sound like

992
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:26,559
sam Schimud? They adore the One God adoration in Catholic theology.

993
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:29,199
He doesn't even know this is a term of worship

994
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,800
the one God that lives and subsists in himself, merciful

995
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,199
and all powerful, the creator of having an earth. So

996
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,320
notice that the very thing that he's argued all these

997
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:46,000
years that Islam is Allah is the devil, Allah is all,

998
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,119
Allah is all the demon God. Sam Schmud has said

999
01:00:50,159 --> 01:00:53,719
this a million times now. He's putting himself under the authority,

1000
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,079
supposedly of a church that officially and dogmatically teaches that

1001
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:03,840
Muslims and Christians adore the same one true God. In fact,

1002
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:10,199
Muslims take pains to submit to God in his decrees,

1003
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just like Abraham did. So Muslims have the faith of Abraham,

1004
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,920
according to Nostratate three. He doesn't know the Roman Catholic

1005
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,840
dogmatic magister. He hasn't read Vatican Two, he hasn't read

1006
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,719
the Council Trent, he hasn't read Denzinger.

1007
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't know any of this stuff.

1008
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: And I've been trying to tell him for a few

1009
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,039
years now, warning him about this.

1010
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:35,679
Speaker 1: Doesn't care.

1011
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:39,679
Speaker 2: He would rather yell at Muslims on the Internet than

1012
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:42,880
actually learn what the Roman Catholic positions actually are, and

1013
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:52,039
then fall back on Albrecht, who literally looks like a

1014
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:55,960
gay leather daddy biker guy. I mean, you can't make

1015
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:09,159
this up. H I mean, look at this, dude. It

1016
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:14,320
looks like a biker daddy, right, like leather daddy. There's

1017
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,360
a certain picture I was looking for. He did a

1018
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,239
livestream recently where they used like an AI picture, which

1019
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,480
I'm he thought. I think he thought it looked really cool,

1020
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,320
but it actually looks like a leather daddy.

1021
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:48,599
Speaker 1: I'll show what I'm talking about. Oh, I don't see it.

1022
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:53,039
But he should be.

1023
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,079
Speaker 2: He should be like the pastor of like a biker

1024
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:56,400
church or something, you know what I mean.

1025
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:57,639
Speaker 1: That's like, that's his vibe.

1026
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:03,159
Speaker 2: And look, we know Albert doesn't know anything about philosophy,

1027
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:06,000
doesn't anything about metaphysics. All he does is bark about

1028
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,760
I'm using their terminology, bark, bark, bark. All he does

1029
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,840
is bark about church history and the papacy and what mary.

1030
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,719
Speaker 1: That's like, it's the only things he talks about.

1031
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,719
Speaker 2: So we're going to get into some of this defending

1032
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:24,320
the papacy with our favorite over here is this loft

1033
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:34,360
dog with our favorite loft dog. But before we do that,

1034
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:40,159
one to remind you that it's not just no stratat

1035
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,360
that talks about this relationship. It's also lumin Gentem sixteen.

1036
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:51,199
So both of these texts are dogmatic official Vatican two teachings.

1037
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:58,280
And if you're wondering why the manifestations that you're seeing,

1038
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:03,719
the real manifesting is because you can't accept these contradictory

1039
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,000
positions and not go insane. Roman Catholics, I literally believe

1040
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,960
they actually go insane the more that they know and

1041
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,760
understand and are exposed to what the papal teaching and

1042
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,119
position actually is. And it says here the plan of

1043
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:22,840
salvation also includes those that acknowledge the Creator, the first

1044
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,880
of whom are the Muslims who profess to hold the

1045
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,679
faith of Abraham and along with us, adore the One

1046
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,559
and Merciful God. Now notice in the NO text it's

1047
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:40,440
said that they do submit to God's decree just like Abraham.

1048
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:43,719
Because Roman Catholics say, well, it doesn't say they have it,

1049
01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:45,000
says they profess to have it.

1050
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: No.

1051
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: In Roman Catholic theology, adoration is a worship term. So

1052
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:55,039
Muslims worship the One True God, and that's all premised

1053
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:00,000
on natural theology in the Roman Catholic Church. Roman Church

1054
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,360
which has dogmatized here, for example, this generic theism of

1055
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,159
an Old Testament Unitarian God. That's how they came to

1056
01:05:09,199 --> 01:05:19,280
this conclusion. This is how the papacy has built an

1057
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,159
Abrahamic faith Center in Abu Dhabi, which has already opened,

1058
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:31,639
where Islam, Judaism and Christianity all can gather in terms

1059
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:35,599
of human fraternity in Abu Dhabi to honor the One

1060
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:39,559
Living God, the very thing that Noser Tate three in

1061
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:40,760
Lumgentium sixteen.

1062
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,159
Speaker 1: Say.

1063
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:48,159
Speaker 2: Now, if this doesn't tell you that this church no

1064
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:52,679
longer professes the trinitarian theology of the first thousand years

1065
01:05:52,679 --> 01:05:57,719
of Christianity and the Old and New Testaments, there's really

1066
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,320
nothing else that would convince you.

1067
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:03,519
Speaker 1: The problem in Rome. And it's not just well that

1068
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:06,719
doesn't count. It's not dogma. No, Actually, Vatican two is dogma.

1069
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:09,119
Speaker 2: Do you know that any Catholic church that you go

1070
01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:13,039
to in the world you are expected to believe Vatican Two.

1071
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:19,639
There's no Roman Catholic churches that will tell you Vatican

1072
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:23,199
Two is optional. In fact, the Catholic Catechism, the Catechism

1073
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:27,920
of the Catholic Church, is filled with citations from Vatican Two.

1074
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,480
Why would that be optional? On what basis is it optional.

1075
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,800
It's not optional. You don't have an option to believe

1076
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,960
it or not. In fact, there are five places in

1077
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:43,280
Catholic dogma that tell you not only do you have

1078
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,280
to believe the ex cathedral statements, you also have to

1079
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,840
believe all the things that are normative ordinary teaching in

1080
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,719
the Church. And even if you think it's wrong, even

1081
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,280
if it's not quote infallible, you're supposed to submit to it.

1082
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:04,639
With Docility's canon law on the Romancally Church. But this

1083
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,280
is exactly why these people's pope, including sam Shimun's new

1084
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,960
spiritual leader, goes in praise towards Mecca.

1085
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:13,599
Speaker 1: In the mosques.

1086
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,159
Speaker 2: And not just crazy Frank Benedict the sixteenth the so

1087
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:26,440
called trad did the exact same thing. So imagine trying

1088
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,800
to convince people for however many decades of how bad

1089
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,320
Islam is, and then you're going into an entity whose

1090
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:40,280
infallible divine terrorism head goes in praise in moss towards

1091
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,159
Mecca and builds giant Abu Dhabi multi faith centers based

1092
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:47,079
around the premise that Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship

1093
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:52,159
the same generic God. There's a reason why the Catholic

1094
01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:55,960
apologists suck at defending the Trinity. It's not just because

1095
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:59,760
of their ignorance, it's actually because they're being consistent with

1096
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:07,039
your dogma. So there's not really a need for debate

1097
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,000
with these people because they're not recognizing and don't have

1098
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:18,600
discernment to see what is obvious departure. There's nobody in

1099
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,439
the first thousand years of Christianity that would do anything

1100
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,720
like this. And in fact, the ancient canons say you

1101
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:31,119
cannot pray in the synagogues or in the heterodox churches.

1102
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:33,199
Speaker 1: Church is so called.

1103
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,399
Speaker 2: What does that tell you about Sam Schimun's made up

1104
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:41,199
position that all the Apostolic churches are the church when

1105
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:43,640
the canons of the councils say you can't go and

1106
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,600
pray in the temples of the schismatics and the heretics

1107
01:08:47,600 --> 01:09:00,319
and in the synagogues. Now beyond that, the ancient canons themselves,

1108
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:05,199
from of every of the seven Ecumenical councils, literally contains

1109
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:09,520
canons that contradict Vatican one. And I'll give you this

1110
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,880
article here that shows all of the canons that contradict

1111
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:29,079
Vatican one. Now, the Document on Human Fraternity, this is

1112
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:33,640
the document that Francis drew up that is the basis

1113
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,119
for the Abu Dhabi Multi Faith Center. The entire document

1114
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:43,479
is nothing but social justice warrior, one world religion nonsense.

1115
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:46,640
So this is again, this is what these people are

1116
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,760
signing on for. This is what Albrecht and all these

1117
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,319
people are trying to convince you to join the thing

1118
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:59,000
that Francis runs, which is already essentially put into law

1119
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:05,000
church law, the very principles that especially Shamun has spent

1120
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:11,920
decades arguing against. So there's a spiritual delusion that's at work.

1121
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:13,319
Speaker 1: That's the root of this problem.

1122
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 2: You see, It's not an intellectual issue. And in fact,

1123
01:10:18,039 --> 01:10:23,880
the Vatican itself in their documents when it comes to acumenism,

1124
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,680
their documents themselves admit and the very thing that the

1125
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:39,560
Orthodox have said the entire time. This is the Francis approved.

1126
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:42,399
Speaker 4: Ch.

1127
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 2: Eighty document, and it admits right there that the Bishop

1128
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,039
of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over the churches

1129
01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:56,399
of the East in the first millennium. There you go,

1130
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,960
that means that Vatican one's claims are not true.

1131
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: Do you see that?

1132
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,520
Speaker 2: Beyond that, there was the new ecumenist doctrine known as

1133
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:20,199
the Alexandria, a document on Synidality and premacy. This admission

1134
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:25,239
also means that Vatican One is false. Now, none of

1135
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:29,600
these people know about Vatican One. This is all Shimun

1136
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,479
has no knowledge of this. But I'm gonna say that

1137
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,119
you should go and read Vatican One in its entirety

1138
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:42,439
at papalincyclicals dot net, because you're gonna see a lot

1139
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,680
of things that most Roman Catholics don't tell you. So

1140
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,800
just like when these people talk about the Muslims and

1141
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:52,840
the evangelicals who convert Islam, and then they point out that, oh,

1142
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,680
you didn't know about the sahibl Hai, you didn't know

1143
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,600
about the Hadiths. You gotta believe you were just told

1144
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,479
that Islam is simple. You didn't know you had to

1145
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,600
believe all this other stuff. Well, guess what you didn't

1146
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:06,720
know that you had to believe when.

1147
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,119
Speaker 1: Im sanked them, did you?

1148
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: You didn't know that you had to go into canon

1149
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:13,640
law in the Roman Catholic Church, which is binding on

1150
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,359
you as a lay person. We'll see what Romancolic canon

1151
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,399
law says about lay people and when they disagree with

1152
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:29,760
the papacy.

1153
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:31,199
Speaker 1: Although in a.

1154
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: Sense of faith, this is the Vatican too, kenlaw, although

1155
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,199
in a sense of faith, a religious submission of intellect

1156
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:38,039
and will must be given to a doction which the

1157
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:41,880
Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops declares concerning faith

1158
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,880
or morals when they exercise the magisterium, even if they

1159
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:50,600
did not proclaim it a definitive act. So although it's

1160
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,039
not in a sent of faith, in the sense of dogma,

1161
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:56,479
in other words, they're saying that because the Pope might

1162
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:03,119
teach something that is wrong in non magisterial cases, this

1163
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:06,119
is called the ordinary teaching in Catholicism. Okay, do I

1164
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:09,680
have to submit to the ordinary teaching in Vatican? In

1165
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,039
the Roman Catholic canon law, a religious submission of intellect

1166
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,960
and will must be given to the doctrines that the

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Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops teach, even if

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they do not declare it a definitive act.

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Speaker 1: So this.

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Speaker 2: Destroys the lie that they all tell each other that

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they only have to believe the Ex Cathedra statements. And

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I have a whole talk on this showing that that's

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not true. There's five statements in Catholic theology and dogma

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that tell you that you can't just believe the Ex

1175
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Cathedra statements. You don't get to handway Vatican two. And

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just like when you call out the Muslims, Oh it's

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not just Koran, baby, you also got to believe all

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01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:00,359
of this other haadith stuff. Oh it's not just hopes

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01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,079
ex Cathedral baby, you also got to believe all this

1180
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papal nonsense.

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Speaker 5: Baby.

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Speaker 1: Let's give you another easy example.

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Speaker 2: In thirteen oh two, it was dogmatic that you had

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to believe in the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop

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to be saved.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what this refers to?

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Speaker 2: That the pope is not just a spiritual head of

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all the world, he's also a temporal world ruler and magistrate,

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a civil magistrate. And Boniface made this a dogmatic statement

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in thirteen oh two that you will be damned if

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you don't also accept the temporal authority. Now, post Vatican two,

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the Roman Catholic Church no longer teaches this. In fact,

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all of their documents about religious liberty, all the things

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that you find indent redenta whatever into gracio whatever the

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Vatican two uh do the tallest Humani Humane and the

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01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:18,479
other document right.

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Speaker 4: Mh.

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Speaker 1: They teach.

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Speaker 2: Freedom of conscience, the freedom of worship, all of the

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things that the post Vatican or the pre Vatican two

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popes had condemned. So mauri vos quanti cura lamenta, bilesan pachindi,

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dominici gragias. Those are some examples of the Syllabus of errors.

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All the things condemned in the Syllabus of errors. That's

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as late as Pious the ninth, the Pope the Vatican One.

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All of that is reversed at Vatican two. Prior to

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Vatican too, only a couple decades prior, because of the

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dangers of the interfaith acumenist movement. Pious the Eleventh in

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nineteen twenty eight wrote a famous and cyclical called Mortalium Animos.

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And in Mortalium Animos, I'll give you the link he

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01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,920
outright condemns all interfaith gatherings as apostasy. There it is

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:47,880
right there. These interfaith gatherings, according to him, are a

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surrendering of the faith. It is clear that the Apostolic

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01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:57,960
See cannot take part on any terms in these assemblies.

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Nor is it lawful for Catholics to support the acumenus

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interfaith works, because it would give rise to a false Christianity.

1216
01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:13,319
So you understand, it is an apostasy according to Mortalium

1217
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:19,520
animals to have interfaith gatherings, and the papacy cannot support

1218
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,800
it on any terms. Vatican two reverses this in an

1219
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,880
outright one percent contradiction and doesn't just make the interfaith

1220
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,800
gatherings amongst so called Christian groups, Protestants, Anglicans, whatever. Vatican

1221
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:41,920
two goes even further and makes it an inter religious gathering.

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And that's what happens at the two sec gatherings where

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John Paul the Second gets all the world religions together

1224
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:53,079
in a world prayer meeting, a world prayer meeting to

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01:17:53,159 --> 01:18:02,520
what to all your respected respective deities. So nineteen twenty

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eight condemns all ecumenism right here, and within a few

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decades suddenly ecumenism is the work of the Holy Spirit.

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And this is what Shamun wants to go to. Well,

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what I say about a lot of the people who

1230
01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:25,039
choose Roman Catholicism in these settings is that you get

1231
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:31,760
what you deserve, you get what you choose. So here

1232
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is my talk from a while back, how Vatican one

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01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,640
refutes Roman Catholicism in the papacy.

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Speaker 1: Right there.

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Speaker 2: Here is another talk about how Vatican won in the

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papacy are themselves contradictions. And I'm going to give you

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01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:58,720
another one about showing that Vatican two.

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01:18:58,159 --> 01:18:59,119
Speaker 1: You have to believe it.

1239
01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:03,359
Speaker 2: Romancallolics lie and tell these tall tales that, oh, you

1240
01:19:03,359 --> 01:19:05,560
don't have to actually believe that it cantoe, you can

1241
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,600
handwave it. It doesn't count. You see, now, anything that

1242
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,239
the papacy confirms, as you just saw, for the entire

1243
01:19:12,319 --> 01:19:14,319
church from the apostolic chair, you've got to believe it.

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Speaker 1: And really it.

1245
01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter whether it's ex cathedral, whether it's universal ordinary magisterium,

1246
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because you still have to submit to the ordinary teaching

1247
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even when it's not infallible, as Kenan seven to fifty

1248
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:38,079
two says. So this is why Shamoon and Albrecht and

1249
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:41,960
all of these goofballs are out to lunch, because they've

1250
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:44,239
chosen something for whatever reasons. I don't know what the

1251
01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:49,520
reasons are, various weird, dumb reasons. Maybe because the papal

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01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,840
Church loves skittles. Now, maybe it's a skittles thing. I

1253
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:59,479
don't know, But I'm going to give you the proof

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:20,640
that you do have to submit to Vatican two. You

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01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:25,520
see this talk here, if you go to the description

1256
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,640
of this talk. You will see the links to the

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five places. Actually there's six. Now I put six in there,

1258
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,760
six places in Catholic dogma that you have to accept

1259
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,680
Vatican two. So you see, there's no outs here. There's

1260
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,439
no way for these people, there's no place for them

1261
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,720
to run. They're not going to be able to say, oh,

1262
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,079
I don't have to accept Vatican two.

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01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,039
Speaker 1: Oh I don't have.

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01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 2: To you know, interpret it in a rigorous way. None

1265
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,399
of that works. You don't even get to interpret Vatican two.

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01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,640
Vatican two is what the papacy tells you.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 1: Now, what's the source of all this? Again?

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Speaker 2: In ten ninety, when the papacy schismed from the Orthodox Church,

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something radical happened in the Latin West. The pope decided

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that he was also, on the basis of the forgery

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known as the Donation of Constantine, a world ruler. And

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not only was a world ruler, he also made it

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dogmatic that in order to be saved, you must submit

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to and believe.

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Speaker 1: In his worldly temporal authority. See that.

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Speaker 2: The Roman Catholic Church no longer teaches this. In fact,

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the pope took off his triple cron he doesn't wear

1279
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,640
a three tiered papal tiara triple crown anymore because it

1280
01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:56,359
signified his triple authority, including his earthly quisat hyderat king

1281
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of the World status. I'm not kidding when I say that.

1282
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And if you read what Diktatus Poppy initially says, the

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claims are preposterous. They're outlandish and ridiculous. And you don't

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see any of these claims in the first thousand years

1285
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:15,960
of Christianity, because it's an evolution, it's a development. But

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Shamoun and none of these people know this. And I

1287
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guarantee you Albrecs has no answer to this because he

1288
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probably isn't even aware what Unham Sunk Them says about

1289
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the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop. So in ten

1290
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ninety Pope Gregory the Seventh mandates Dictatus Pope that the

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world that the Pope is a world ruler. By thirteen

1292
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:37,760
oh two, Boniface the Eighth dogmatizes it in Unum Sunk

1293
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,239
Them and even says that you have to believe.

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01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,239
Speaker 1: It to be saved.

1295
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: Okay, And post Vatican two, the Romancology Church teaches freedom

1296
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,039
of conscience, freedom of worships, the dignity the human being,

1297
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:52,960
and no one should be forced to believe this or

1298
01:22:53,000 --> 01:23:00,800
that the exact night and day opposite of this position. Now,

1299
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:03,880
there are many more contradictions in Roman Catholic dog I'm

1300
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,680
just giving you some of the easy basics to disprove

1301
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:07,600
this stuff.

1302
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:17,039
Speaker 1: You here in person. Oh so last, what we're doing

1303
01:23:17,119 --> 01:23:17,880
is talking about the.

1304
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:25,399
Speaker 2: Here we go car bloat overload. Let me read some

1305
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,039
super chats Scuma Bear ten dollars.

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Speaker 1: I'm hype