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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys, are you fav It's so like to say,

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<v Speaker 2>subscribe and raid it live.

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<v Speaker 1>Starck S and.

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<v Speaker 2>Grates on us today listening, Oh watching Lin always keep

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<v Speaker 2>it's watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James

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<v Speaker 2>Bubo Fay. Hello, Bobo, how are you doing today, Sir Cliff?

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<v Speaker 2>Going pretty good? Man, it's going pretty good, beautiful day

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<v Speaker 2>here in the you know, boring Oregon area. And what

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<v Speaker 2>a guest. This is a guest that I've been trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get on for a little while, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>are scheduling issues and all this other stuff. But now

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<v Speaker 2>is the perfect time because well, this gentleman has a

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<v Speaker 2>book coming out very very soon that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>blow the socks off of a lot of people. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been helping out with the book a little bit. I

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<v Speaker 2>know about what's in it's and stuff. It's gonna be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>But really, let's get right to it. We have not

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<v Speaker 2>a researcher per se, but the son of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous, controversial and active researchers of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>We have mister Michael Freeman, son of Paul Freeman on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast today, and he has come on because well,

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<v Speaker 2>now he's got a book coming out, and also secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of tired of all the misinformation, lies, fabrications

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<v Speaker 2>and rumors swirling about his father and he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>set the record straight. And I'm a big advocate of

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<v Speaker 2>the Freeman and Blue Mountain evidence in general, so I

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<v Speaker 2>jumped at the chance. Michael Freeman, Welcome to Bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond with Cliff and the Bobes. I'm so happy you

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<v Speaker 2>can come on.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Yeah, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I know, you know, Cliff and I we

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<v Speaker 4>talk often, but James, I think we've only spoken once.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked.

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<v Speaker 5>It was we had we had a couple we had

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<v Speaker 5>like a four hour conversations in like a two and

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<v Speaker 5>a half hour conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, Yeah, I know we spoke at least once.

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<v Speaker 3>We're on the same page.

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<v Speaker 5>Your dad's underappreciated and it's a lot of bum wraps,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're yeah, I'm glad you're setting the record straight

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<v Speaker 5>and took the time to write a book to clear

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<v Speaker 5>his legacy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's the plan, and you know, that's what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm hoping to look to do, because you know, there

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<v Speaker 4>is a lot of misinformation, there's a lot of misunderstanding,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of mystery, and there's a lot of rumor.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that that surrounds my father. Uh And I

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, let me start, I guess by saying

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<v Speaker 4>before we even do anything else here today, it's we

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<v Speaker 4>are in the business of evidence. We are not in

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<v Speaker 4>the business of rumors and hearsay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really important point because so much of the

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<v Speaker 2>so many of the reasons that people may not like

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<v Speaker 2>your father's evidence is because they heard so and so

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<v Speaker 2>thinks this about it, you know, and what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of researching is that? You know, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Renee to Hindon kind of went back and forth on

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<v Speaker 2>your dad's evidence for a while, and there were some

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<v Speaker 2>things he was absolutely positive were not real, and people

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<v Speaker 2>Renee didn't think the evidence was real. Well, so, what

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about the evidence? Or have you

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<v Speaker 2>never seen it? Is the question, because I find a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these people talking smack about your dad have

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<v Speaker 2>never really spent the time with the evidence, or they

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<v Speaker 2>may have seen one or two casts. And while since

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<v Speaker 2>I did bring up Renee, I want to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>defend Renee in a way. He was a very good researcher.

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<v Speaker 2>He was really meticulous and thoughtful and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things he did, but he was also kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked a lot of smack about other people. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the point I want to make, he

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<v Speaker 2>did not have the information about the Sasquatch foot that

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<v Speaker 2>we do today. There's a video on Todd Prescott's excellent

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<v Speaker 2>site of Sasquatch Archives where the shows that Renee de

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<v Speaker 2>Hindin's with a handful of people in his backyard and

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<v Speaker 2>they lay out I think it was the eighty seven trackway.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there were five foot prints in a roof

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<v Speaker 2>the eighty seven trackway, if I remember correctly, and he

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<v Speaker 2>laid them all out, and he just kind of dug

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<v Speaker 2>into him and said, ah, this and that, look at

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<v Speaker 2>the sausage toes. Are you telling me this? And thankfully

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Meldrum jumped on board and wrote an answer to

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<v Speaker 2>every one of the things that Renee the Hinden found

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<v Speaker 2>to be a problem about that trackway. And see what

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<v Speaker 2>it was is Renee didn't know as much as we

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<v Speaker 2>do now about the Sasquatch foot. So his criticisms were

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<v Speaker 2>based on less information. But now that we know so

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<v Speaker 2>much more about the Sasquatch foot and its capabilities and

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<v Speaker 2>flexibilities and all that stuff, what Renee actually was nitpicking

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<v Speaker 2>about are actually reasons to think that they're real. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Renee was always commenting about the sausage toes because they

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<v Speaker 2>look like little sausages. But what he didn't understand is

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<v Speaker 2>that the toes have a lot of what's called dorsive flexion,

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<v Speaker 2>basically flexing upwards. And when if your toes are flexed upwards,

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<v Speaker 2>the only part of the toe that's going to impress

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<v Speaker 2>into the ground are the toe stems, and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be pointy at the end, and they don't look

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<v Speaker 2>like toes, but they are. And you can see some

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<v Speaker 2>of these things in those casts, and Renee saw them

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<v Speaker 2>and thought that it was nonsense and fake because of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I would encourage people out there to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe perhaps form their own opinion instead of relying on

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<v Speaker 2>those who came before us that perhaps don't didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>or don't know as much about Sasquatch footprints as they

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<v Speaker 2>could have. So yeah, rumor versus evidence. Man, Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so your dad got into this in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he saw one on June tenth, tenth, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the tenth or six tenth.

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<v Speaker 4>June, I think nineteen eighty two, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how old were you at that time?

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<v Speaker 4>I was five years old?

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<v Speaker 2>Five years old. Do you have any recollection of that?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't necessarily have any recollection of him talking about

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<v Speaker 4>the siding or Bigfoot, but I have recollection of people.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the gentlemen we were just discussing, Renee Dehindon,

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<v Speaker 4>is someone that I remember vividly being at our home

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<v Speaker 4>on multiple occasions. I remember him sleeping on our pullout

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<v Speaker 4>sofa bed, and I have real vivid memories of Grover

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<v Speaker 4>Krantz as well, in the cloud of smoke from his

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<v Speaker 4>cigarettes that kind of always surrounded him, kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>pai pin from you know, peanuts in the dust, if

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<v Speaker 4>you imagine Grover. But I was a little too young

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<v Speaker 4>to have I think a lot of real vivid memories

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<v Speaker 4>of what was happening at the time, as far as

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<v Speaker 4>his sighting and him kind of getting in the paper

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<v Speaker 4>and becoming somewhat of a celebrity, you know, or any

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<v Speaker 4>of the problems that he was having with the floor

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<v Speaker 4>service and things like that. I have, I think better

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<v Speaker 4>memories now that I'm older, because I know more information.

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<v Speaker 4>So it seems like I remember a lot, But I

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<v Speaker 4>think a lot of that is stuff that I've learned

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<v Speaker 4>since I got older.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and learned from a variety of sources, or from

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<v Speaker 2>your just the family members, or talking to your dad

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<v Speaker 2>or I guess it's all of those and more.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, all those are more of a variety of sources.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. Obviously, I grew up with Bigfoot, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>from the time I was five, so that was normal

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<v Speaker 4>to me. Heard all the stories. You know, I've been

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<v Speaker 4>out in the field and I've seen tracks and things

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<v Speaker 4>like that. But also, you know, I've been around you know,

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<v Speaker 4>West Summerlin, and I've been in Grover Trance's lab at WSU.

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<v Speaker 4>And then of course as I get older and I

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<v Speaker 4>make all these acquaintances like you guys, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>other people, I always learn more information because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>not everybody knows everything, and sometimes I learned things that

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<v Speaker 4>are new to me, you know still this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, Bigfoot is kind of the gift that keeps

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<v Speaker 2>on given in that sort of way. I would imagine

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<v Speaker 2>and you're and you you're part of like Bigfoot royalties.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of people have crossed your family's path

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<v Speaker 2>at one point or another and have interactions with your

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<v Speaker 2>dad or or Wes, you know, or a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the unsung heroes of the Blue Mountain Evidence. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's something I'd like to bring up and point out,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Blue Mountain Evidence is very often all

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<v Speaker 2>just referred to as a whole as the Freeman evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not really the case. Your dad was out

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<v Speaker 2>there a lot, but at the same time, there were

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other people involved. Maybe talk about some

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<v Speaker 2>of them for us.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I mean you had my dad, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of generally, I think considered one of the leaders

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<v Speaker 4>of that group. You know, he's not the elder statesman,

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<v Speaker 4>because West Summerland was the elder statesman of that group.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, in a fine cowboy and a fine tracker

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<v Speaker 4>in his own right, and was already experienced in Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>by the time my dad even came around. You had

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<v Speaker 4>David Bean who was a professional tracker as well. Bill

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<v Speaker 4>Lowry was a scientist and a game warden. I believe

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<v Speaker 4>at one point in time he was out there. You

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<v Speaker 4>had Dark Glasgow Addington. She was Dark Glasgow at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>She was out there in the field, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>since we brought her up, she's a lovely human being

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<v Speaker 4>and a real pioneer actually as being one of the

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<v Speaker 4>early female researchers and especially you know, for that particular area.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was a lot of people that were out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Kranz came out there and he spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>time with my dad. After eighty two, you had people

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<v Speaker 4>like Greg May who was a survival expert and wilderness

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<v Speaker 4>survival instructor at Washington State University, and he spent a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of time out there and was part of that

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<v Speaker 4>entourage for about four or five years. I'm sure I'm

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<v Speaker 4>forgetting someone as well. But yeah, it's not just my

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<v Speaker 4>dad and it's not just his evidence. There's multiple people

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<v Speaker 4>pulling multiple footprints and hair samples and finding trackways and

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<v Speaker 4>even having sightings, you know, over this fifteen twenty year period.

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<v Speaker 4>But everyone likes to pile it on the Freeman name.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I hear that all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for those listening that I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 5>for those listening, the freeman we're talking about is the

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<v Speaker 5>Freeman footage is the footage of the Bigfoot walking away

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<v Speaker 5>like people think it might be picking up a baby.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a color clip, just some people that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and really all the Freeman evidence because he was

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<v Speaker 2>working that area for ten years before he got the footage.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

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<v Speaker 2>Bobo will be right back after these messages. Boba, are

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<v Speaker 2>you starting to notice thinning hair?

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<v Speaker 3>Who me?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a little a little hair left or a little

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<v Speaker 2>thinning hair both, Well, I've got good news for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobo Hymns offers access to prescription treatments for regrowing hair

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<v Speaker 2>and as little as three to six months, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can see a fuller head of hair like Bobo in

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<v Speaker 2>the old days by fall.

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<v Speaker 5>That'd be nice having a fresh fall crop to harvest.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he got two little clips over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>one of ddux sprains. We'll get to that in a

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes, but for now, so, there was a a

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<v Speaker 2>whole gang of people you probably listed off at least eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't counting. I probably should have been at least

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<v Speaker 2>eight or maybe ten people there and all of their

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<v Speaker 2>evidence put together for that twenty year span of high activity.

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<v Speaker 2>The Golden Age of the Blue Mountains, from my counting

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<v Speaker 2>is about sixty or so track fines, a lot more prints,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's because people a good researchers go to a

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<v Speaker 2>location and if there's multiple prints, they usually come back

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<v Speaker 2>with multiple casts. That's not always the case, but it

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<v Speaker 2>started being the case with your father. I know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think your dad started with one or two casts from

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<v Speaker 2>a location, but he eventually started bringing lots of casts

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<v Speaker 2>back from certain track fines.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct. Yeah, And you know, that is something I would

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<v Speaker 4>like to touch on because I think there's a misconception

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<v Speaker 4>about Bigfoot or you know, finding bigfoot tracks or having casts,

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<v Speaker 4>that if you have let's say thirty casts, that means

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<v Speaker 4>that you found footprints on thirty different occasions from thirty

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<v Speaker 4>different individual animals. And that certainly isn't the case, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's not true. And when you look at let's just say,

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<v Speaker 4>my father, in his fifteen years of research in the

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<v Speaker 4>Blue Mountains. He's got about forty five to fifty casts,

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<v Speaker 4>I think is what the number is, and that averages

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<v Speaker 4>out to about three casts per year, which isn't something

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<v Speaker 4>you know, that's an outrageous number over a fifteen year period.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you start taking into account that there were two, three,

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<v Speaker 4>up to five sometimes casts that were taken from a

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<v Speaker 4>single trackway, that really cuts that number down even more.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not like he was out there finding tracks and

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<v Speaker 4>making casts every day. We're talking about finding maybe one

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<v Speaker 4>or two sets of tracks per year if that, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And out of the forty five to fifty casts that

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<v Speaker 4>we have, we have seven casts that come from the

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<v Speaker 4>first six days that he was ever even exposed to bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, that were taken. So that cuts that number down,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, to like what thirty eight and something or

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<v Speaker 4>you know around there. But and I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>at least Cliff, you're in agreement with me, when we

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<v Speaker 4>look at the Blue Mountain evidence that we're looking at

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<v Speaker 4>probably four or five individuals in about fifteen to twenty years.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not a whole lot of bigfoot running around there.

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<v Speaker 4>Two that we can identify completely, you know, that we

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<v Speaker 4>think are female and we can get into that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>also in a little bit. And then we have a

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<v Speaker 4>big male that is very elusive that we don't have

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<v Speaker 4>a whole lot of evidence on. And then we have

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<v Speaker 4>the possibility of one or two more in the early eighties,

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<v Speaker 4>which we're not quite sure. One of them could be

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<v Speaker 4>one that we already love, but we're looking at probably

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<v Speaker 4>about four or five, and then maybe a juvenile that

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<v Speaker 4>gets thrown into that. So it's not like my father

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<v Speaker 4>has forty five CASTI It's it's forty five different bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>that are running around outside of wall wall. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're looking at four animals in twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I was counting today because I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about that, Sam. I know we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this at some point, about how many per year. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I started counting up the track finds in the Bluff

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<v Speaker 2>Creek Rea during the Bluff Creek Golden Age, which is

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty eight to nineteen sixty eight, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>counted track fines, not individual tracks. And as far as

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<v Speaker 2>track finds go, there were something like seventeen ish and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I'm missing one or two, but because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have records, of all that stuff. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty decent record, So let's just say, let's just

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<v Speaker 2>say give it the benefit that out twenty, maybe as

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<v Speaker 2>many as twenty different track finds that there are casts from,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's what two a year. So the people

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<v Speaker 2>who complain about Paul Freeman finding three a year is

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<v Speaker 2>being too many, well what do they have to say

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<v Speaker 2>the Bluff Creek stuff, you know, because there were two

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<v Speaker 2>a year on average there, and some of those track

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<v Speaker 2>finds there were ten or more casts obtained from them,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Patterson Giblin site for example. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems that some of the arguments against the Freeman

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like he is the luckiest bigfoot in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>or there's he was finding too many things to be

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<v Speaker 2>taken seriously, Well not really when you look at it

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<v Speaker 2>from that perspective, And as a follow up question of

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<v Speaker 2>what you were saying, by the best of your memory,

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<v Speaker 2>how many weekends or whatever a month did your dad

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<v Speaker 2>spend in the woods, because the Bluff Creek situation wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like that. They weren't They weren't out there two or

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<v Speaker 2>three times a month.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of time in the woods. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when when this book comes out, hopefully next month, we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to go more into detail in that as well

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<v Speaker 4>and kind of how that affected, you know, my mother

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<v Speaker 4>and my family. But we're talking three to four days

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<v Speaker 4>a week, at least four four or five hours at

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<v Speaker 4>a time, at least sometimes overnight, sometimes a week at

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<v Speaker 4>a time, sometimes two weeks at a time, gone from home,

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<v Speaker 4>camping by himself in the mountains before cell phones, with

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<v Speaker 4>no way to be in contact, you know, with my mom,

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<v Speaker 4>who you know, for some periods of time didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>if he was alive or day until he got into

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<v Speaker 4>CV rage and he could call her on his CV radio.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, we had one of the home as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, the man spent a lot of time, more

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<v Speaker 4>time than he probably should have to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you bring something. I know, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place. It's an exactly linear conversation, but you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned your mother. And I'm a big advocate of the

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<v Speaker 2>support team for bigfooters in a lot of ways because

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<v Speaker 2>I have won myself. I've got a wife at home

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm out in the woods, and I know she

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<v Speaker 2>worries about me sometime and whatnot. And your mother is

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<v Speaker 2>one of these sort of casualties of the bigfoot thing

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<v Speaker 2>as well in some ways. What kind of a consequence

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<v Speaker 2>or what kind of weight did your mother carry because

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<v Speaker 2>of your father's for lack of a better term, obsession

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<v Speaker 2>with the subject.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, she had a lot of worry, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>can tell you that much. She always worried about him

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<v Speaker 4>and whether he was okay or you know, what he

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<v Speaker 4>was doing, or when he was going to come home.

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<v Speaker 4>And there was financial burden as well. I mean, when

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<v Speaker 4>you spend three or four days a week away from

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<v Speaker 4>home in the mountains, that's three or four days a

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<v Speaker 4>week that you're not working, you know. And so we

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have money growing up, really, and there wasn't much

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<v Speaker 4>funding for bigfoot research. And when my grandmother died and

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<v Speaker 4>left her home to my mother, my parents sold it

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<v Speaker 4>to support my dad's bigfoot research, you know. And he

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<v Speaker 4>spent a lot of time working a night job so

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<v Speaker 4>he could get off work at you know, four or

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<v Speaker 4>five o'clock in the morning and go directly to the

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<v Speaker 4>mountains and then come home and get what sleep he could,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, go back to work and turn around

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<v Speaker 4>and go back to the mountains the next day. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know my mom even dealing with all that, My

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<v Speaker 4>mother was great and she's actually, if you don't know this,

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<v Speaker 4>responsible for at least ninety nine percent of the documentation

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<v Speaker 4>that was done on any of my dad's evidence, with

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<v Speaker 4>the exception of his map. That's the one thing she

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<v Speaker 4>never touched was his map in the garage. And I

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<v Speaker 4>know that, Cliff. You have that out at the Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>Center there and boring. Now it's on display. It's lovely.

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<v Speaker 4>But every photograph we have that is documented is my

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<v Speaker 4>mother's handwriting. Every letter of correspondence that was written to

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<v Speaker 4>anybody else was typed by my mother. Displayed boards that

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<v Speaker 4>were put together for you know, mall setups or going

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<v Speaker 4>to any type of meeting or convention where he was

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<v Speaker 4>speaking was done so by my mother. She worked tirelessly

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<v Speaker 4>to catalog this stuff. And my father gets credit for

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<v Speaker 4>doing a really good job of documenting his evidence for

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<v Speaker 4>the time period that he was a researcher because he

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<v Speaker 4>was one of the ones that was best at it.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you want to know the truth, it was

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<v Speaker 4>my mother that did that, you know, and my dad

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<v Speaker 4>wanted her to, but she stuck by it, and she

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<v Speaker 4>did it, and she stuck with him through thick and

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<v Speaker 4>thin and through you know, taking criticism and being the

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<v Speaker 4>wife of the crazy person and all this stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>she deserves a lot of credit. And I actually I

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<v Speaker 4>have one picture of her in the field. It's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be in the book. It's the only one I've got.

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<v Speaker 4>She's actually out there standing in the field, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>attempting to do some type of research. But you know

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<v Speaker 4>that wasn't her thing. And but she certainly was active

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<v Speaker 4>behind the scenes. And we owe her a debt of gratitude,

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<v Speaker 4>uh for the documentation that she did. Otherwise a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of this stuff would still be a mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, missus Freeman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you missus Freeman. Absolutely, and of course thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to all the support teams of all these bigfoot weirdos

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<v Speaker 2>out in the field. You know, whether it's my wife

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<v Speaker 2>Melissa or Karita, the angel that helps Bobo out.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a very fairly tolerable system.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh please, She's an angel of love so much.

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<v Speaker 3>She barely tolerates my big footing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well, I've had I understand that. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I thought she man, you could barely tolerate her. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, my god, Bobo.

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<v Speaker 4>Something else you know, to to just add to that

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<v Speaker 4>that I didn't mention was my entire childhood, my entire life.

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<v Speaker 4>My mother was a housewife, she never had a job.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad was the sole supporter. She raised children. And

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<v Speaker 4>as my dad got older and you know, around I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was right around nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 4>as his health started to decline and he wasn't working

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<v Speaker 4>as much and he was spending more time out there,

421
00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.799
<v Speaker 4>she actually went and she went to community college and

422
00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:26.519
<v Speaker 4>she got a degree, and she went and got a

423
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<v Speaker 4>job as an accountant and was supporting the family pretty

424
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<v Speaker 4>much of that time, which allowed my dad to spend

425
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<v Speaker 4>more time out doing you know, research.

426
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<v Speaker 2>So did not know that. That's interesting, That's very cool. Actually,

427
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<v Speaker 2>stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Will be right back after these messages. So I'm back

429
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty two when your dad had his first

430
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<v Speaker 2>sighting there in the Mill Creek water shed. From what

431
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I've read and what I believe I think I know,

432
00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.240
<v Speaker 2>is that he was basically one of these outriders, somebody

433
00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:10.039
<v Speaker 2>on a horseback kind of patrolling the watershed circumference to

434
00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:12.000
<v Speaker 2>make sure that nobody is going in there because the

435
00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.119
<v Speaker 2>whole area is off limits. He had his siding thing

436
00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.079
<v Speaker 2>crossed the road, he smelled it, he saw it, he

437
00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 2>cast a couple prints there. Rumor has it, and I'd

438
00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:23.119
<v Speaker 2>like some clarification on this, please, Rumor has it that

439
00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:27.039
<v Speaker 2>your dad was fired. Is that true or not? Well,

440
00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:27.440
<v Speaker 2>first of.

441
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<v Speaker 4>All, he was a boundary patrolman, so and he was

442
00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.599
<v Speaker 4>not on horseback. He had a service vehicle, and he

443
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:39.880
<v Speaker 4>was responsible for twenty five square miles of the watershed. Now,

444
00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.680
<v Speaker 4>to answer your question, no, he was not fired. That

445
00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:47.559
<v Speaker 4>is one of those nasty rumors. My dad actually quit

446
00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.640
<v Speaker 4>working for the Forest Service. He was demoted to a

447
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.319
<v Speaker 4>desk job. He was not allowed to go out and

448
00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:58.799
<v Speaker 4>drive around or walk around anymore because they did not

449
00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:03.480
<v Speaker 4>want him looking for Bigfoot or saying anything else about Bigfoot.

450
00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.359
<v Speaker 4>And had taken some public criticism from the Forest Service.

451
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.480
<v Speaker 4>And as I had mentioned earlier, my grandmother had passed

452
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<v Speaker 4>away and left a house to my mom, and that

453
00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:19.160
<v Speaker 4>was in Camus, Washington, which is where we were from.

454
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.559
<v Speaker 4>And it was a really good excuse to say I'm

455
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<v Speaker 4>out of here and you know, go start a new

456
00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:27.920
<v Speaker 4>life someplace else, and you know, as we know, that

457
00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:28.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't last very long.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he would go back to the woods in Walla.

459
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Walla thought he even while he lived in Camus, he would.

460
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:41.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when we moved back to Camus, they actually my

461
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.279
<v Speaker 4>parents opened a deli and smoked meat shop downtown Camus, Washington.

462
00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.160
<v Speaker 4>It was called Freeman's and it was it was pretty successful.

463
00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.359
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, he couldn't stay away. You know, he saw

464
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 4>something that changed him. And every weekend he was going back.

465
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<v Speaker 4>And this is you know, between nineteen eighty three and

466
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<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty six, every weekend, every chance he got, he

467
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.480
<v Speaker 4>was leaving and he was going. And he wasn't working

468
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.599
<v Speaker 4>for anyone at the time except himself because it was

469
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:10.720
<v Speaker 4>my parents' business. And so he was, you know, leaving,

470
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 4>and he was leaving. My mom and my older brother

471
00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:16.839
<v Speaker 4>you know, who was sixteen seventeen at the time, were

472
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.200
<v Speaker 4>pretty much you know, kind of running the you know,

473
00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:23.680
<v Speaker 4>their their deli there. But yeah, he would disappear. I

474
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:26.359
<v Speaker 4>didn't know any better. I was too young. I really

475
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.160
<v Speaker 4>wasn't sure what was going on except you know, Dad

476
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:29.680
<v Speaker 4>was gone. He was he was doing this, he was

477
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.400
<v Speaker 4>doing that, he was working, but he was going back

478
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.640
<v Speaker 4>to Walla Walla. Often he would take my older brother

479
00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 4>with him and he was hunting bigfoot and that time

480
00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.000
<v Speaker 4>is what he was doing. And that's why we don't

481
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:42.920
<v Speaker 4>have a whole lot of casts or tracks that had

482
00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:44.559
<v Speaker 4>come out of that time period, because that's not what

483
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.200
<v Speaker 4>he was interested in. He was spending a lot of

484
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:52.200
<v Speaker 4>time in the Winnaha to Candid Wilderness and he was

485
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:53.839
<v Speaker 4>going to kill one. I mean that that's what he

486
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:54.279
<v Speaker 4>was there for.

487
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:57.119
<v Speaker 3>What caliber rival was he karen? For that job?

488
00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:01.119
<v Speaker 4>He had a three fifty six Norma Magnum rifle. Oh

489
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:05.960
<v Speaker 4>or yeah, it's a Fari gun. So, oh my god.

490
00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:10.839
<v Speaker 2>Got so much has been made out of the professional

491
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:15.119
<v Speaker 2>tracker Joel Harden's work on your dad's track find because

492
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 2>he was brought in after in June of nineteen eighty two,

493
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:20.599
<v Speaker 2>at the very end of June, because there were two

494
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.519
<v Speaker 2>track finds over that time. Not only was it was

495
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 2>your dad's initial sighting there, but at six days I

496
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.039
<v Speaker 2>think six days later you're the expert, you probably correct me,

497
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.480
<v Speaker 2>please if I'm wrong. Six days later there was another

498
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>track find there of the famous dermals, the footprints that

499
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:39.039
<v Speaker 2>gave that animal its name, and Joel Harden was brought

500
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>in to check them out, and he deemed them fake.

501
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.119
<v Speaker 2>And of course most people, I'm sure most of our

502
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>listeners are aware of this because they have read doctor

503
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Krantz's book bigfoot Sasquatch Evidence, or the first edition which

504
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.319
<v Speaker 2>is big Footprints. And of course, if you're one of

505
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:55.720
<v Speaker 2>our listeners who has not read this, you really ought

506
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.519
<v Speaker 2>to read doctor Krantz's book. That's kind of required reading

507
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>for bigfooters. In my opinion, it seems to me that

508
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the things that Joel said about those

509
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>tracks why they were fake, well, it seems largely due

510
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.720
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that Joel was an experienced man tracker

511
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and sasquatches are not humans because the things I mean,

512
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I just read read the chapter last night in preparation

513
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>for this interview. And when I say the chapter, I

514
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:27.000
<v Speaker 2>not only read doctor Ranz's chapter, but I also read

515
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the chapter in Joel's book himself, his own book critiquing

516
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.880
<v Speaker 2>these particular tracks, and I got to say, like, I know,

517
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean no disrespect to mister Harden, of course, but

518
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not very impressed with his reasons as to why

519
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>these tracks are fake. And if I may, I'm going

520
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.079
<v Speaker 2>to read just something out of the book here, out

521
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of Joel's book, so supposedly in his own words, although

522
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.799
<v Speaker 2>he may have had a ghostwriter. It says here the

523
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Forest Service added that some somehow, in the three weeks

524
00:26:54.880 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>after the sighting, ABC, NBC, and CBS, all the television

525
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.799
<v Speaker 2>networks at the time, had gotten winto the Bigfoot siding

526
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 2>and they had all filed a core to action in

527
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Washington to force the Forest Service to permit them access

528
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>into the Mill Creek watershed. And then he goes on,

529
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>and this is the key sentence here, the Forest Service

530
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.720
<v Speaker 2>had been given forty eight hours to answer the injunction

531
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>by coming up with evidence that reported the sighting was

532
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.799
<v Speaker 2>in fact a hoax. And that's why Joel Harden was

533
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 2>called in by his boss to come look at these footprints.

534
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.119
<v Speaker 2>That sounds a little biased to begin with. And when

535
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>you combine that with a sentence out of doctor Krantz's book,

536
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and I have that right here. See this is on

537
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>page seventy nine of doctor Krantz's book. Talking about Harden,

538
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 2>he says he judged them the tracks to be fakes.

539
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 2>In fact, he made this pronouncements before he even looked

540
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 2>at the tracks. According to three Forest service employees who

541
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>told me overhearing this, so that doesn't bode well. And

542
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>of course he does have spec reasons, and one of

543
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 2>the reasons I thought was odd is that the dramaticglythics

544
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.039
<v Speaker 2>were too In fact, the tracks were too perfect. They

545
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 2>were too good there for their fake. He also commented

546
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 2>that there was no straddle in them, but that's a

547
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 2>known feature of sasquatch trackways. He said, it would be

548
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>impossible for a creature of this size to have no

549
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to have no straddle like that, but yet at the

550
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>same time, that's exactly what evolution would eventually come up

551
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 2>with because of their mass. Doctor Krantz goes into that

552
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 2>subject quite quite a bit when he talks about the

553
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 2>gait of the Patterson Gimlin film creature, because if there

554
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.039
<v Speaker 2>was straddle, and of course strattle is a distance left

555
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and right of a center line of the trackway. If

556
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 2>there was significant straddle, an animal that size would be

557
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>wobbly back and forth, so you would expect a compact

558
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 2>center of gravity, therefore a very little straddle, if any,

559
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>in their trackway. And that's exactly what he saw, and

560
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.720
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the reasons he thought was fake. He

561
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 2>also goes on to say that for a human to

562
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 2>do that, it's next to impossible, but he did say

563
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 2>it could be possible with practice. Does that imply that

564
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.039
<v Speaker 2>your dad actually practice walking like that and he knew

565
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>what the gates of an animal of that size would be,

566
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 2>would be necessary, you know, we would have to have

567
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 2>And there's so many of the things in there just

568
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>don't make quite much quite sense to me, you know.

569
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>So what did your what did your dad? Do you

570
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>remember your dad saying anything at all about mister Harden.

571
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, you are correct. June sixteenth is when the durs

572
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 4>were found.

573
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Joel was there a few days later. I

574
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>guess he's probably there in the nineteenth because he does

575
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.599
<v Speaker 2>say he saw the track three days later, right el Elk.

576
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.440
<v Speaker 4>Wallow was where they were found in The common misconception

577
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 4>is that these were found by my dad by himself,

578
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.720
<v Speaker 4>and that's not true. He was with another Foreign Service employee,

579
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 4>a man by the name of Bill Epic. They found

580
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 4>these tracks together, Epoh Epic, And they found these tracks

581
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 4>together at the bottom of Low Canyon, a place called

582
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:03.079
<v Speaker 4>Elk Wallow. Was June sixteenth, nineteen eighty two. Yeah, yeah,

583
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 4>mister Harding comes in, and I have nothing against mister Harding.

584
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure he's great at his job as a man tracker,

585
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, for the border patrol. But you know, like

586
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 4>you were saying, you got to look at the facts.

587
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.680
<v Speaker 4>He's a government employee that's brought in by government agency

588
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 4>that does not want to allow the media access to

589
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 4>the watershed. He's brought in to say that the tracks

590
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.759
<v Speaker 4>are fake. First and foremost. Mister Harding also is not

591
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.960
<v Speaker 4>a believer in bigfoot, So any set of tracks that

592
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.519
<v Speaker 4>you put in front of him, I'm sure he's going

593
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 4>to tell you that they're fake. Mister Harding also has

594
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 4>no experience at all tracking any type of bigfoot before

595
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 4>or even higher primate, so you know, when you start

596
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.119
<v Speaker 4>adding it up, he was kind of in over his head,

597
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:50.279
<v Speaker 4>you know a little bit. And I also believe there's

598
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 4>something in that book about sticking a straw three feet

599
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 4>into the mud or something where one of these footprints

600
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:55.920
<v Speaker 4>were well.

601
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Actually, apparently, according to mister Harden's account, is that while

602
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 2>they were amining this trackway of eight or possibly nine footprints,

603
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.559
<v Speaker 2>one of the other for service workers at the site

604
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 2>there quote unquote discovered another trackway right up the hill

605
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 2>from them in an elk wallow, and then they all

606
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>went to go look at it, and these were about

607
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>twelve to twenty four inches into the mud. And then

608
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>he decided to shove straw down in it after, you know,

609
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 2>into the bottom of the footprints, to show that the

610
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>sasquats had not bottomed out. But it was just an

611
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 2>artificial impression of some sort. But that doesn't make sense

612
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 2>to me either, and I think Krantz addresses that in

613
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>his book as well.

614
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that seems odd, you know. But getting back to

615
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 4>your question, Yeah, I actually have a it's kind of funny.

616
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.480
<v Speaker 4>I have a fantastic audio recording of my father talking

617
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.880
<v Speaker 4>about mister Harden that comes through my dad's private audio journals,

618
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 4>and one of the things that he talks about is

619
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:53.160
<v Speaker 4>that Joel Harden said that these tracks can't be from

620
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:57.319
<v Speaker 4>a real animal because animals don't have dermal ridges on

621
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.839
<v Speaker 4>the paths of their feet. And my dad goes on

622
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 4>to say that apparently mister Harden failed to realize that

623
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 4>high primemates do indeed have that, and even dogs and

624
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 4>pigs have them on their nose, you know, so it's

625
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 4>not something that's out of the ordinary. But as far

626
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 4>as you know, mister Harden was concerned. You know, dermal

627
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.559
<v Speaker 4>ridges are a human trade and you know, that's what

628
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 4>he's used to tracking, and that's what he's looking for.

629
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 4>And he also, you know, as I said, he has

630
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 4>no experience tracking lightfoot, so he doesn't understand the gate

631
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 4>or you know, the anatomy of the foot or you know,

632
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.599
<v Speaker 4>the flexation of the foot, anything like that, or even

633
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 4>what an animal of that size that we would you know,

634
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 4>presume is a primate would be capable of doing.

635
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, one of the one of the things

636
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>he wrote says that he apparently he says that your

637
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>dad admitted to hoaxing stuff at some point. And I

638
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 2>don't think he was talking about the Good Morning America thing,

639
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>which we'll get to in a minute here, but he's here.

640
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 2>It says right here on page one forty.

641
00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

642
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Several times between nineteen eighty two, citing at Mill Creek Watershed.

643
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety four, Paul Freeman was involved in other

644
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot sightings, including one in which we reported having seen

645
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.720
<v Speaker 2>a family of creatures, including a male, female and offspring.

646
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Local deputies searching the scene of the siding discredited, discredited

647
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 2>the report and confronted Freeman. He admitted to authorities that

648
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 2>he had not only made up the story, but he

649
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>had also constructed some feat quote unquote to make tracks

650
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 2>his evidence to validate his siding, and had done so

651
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 2>in previous events. What's that about.

652
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what that's about. First of all, it

653
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 4>can't be another siding in nineteen ninety three or nineteen

654
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 4>ninety four. He didn't have any sidings in nineteen ninety

655
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 4>three or ninety four. His last sighting was nineteen ninety

656
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 4>two at Dduk Spread.

657
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Did he ever see a family? Did he ever see

658
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>a family at all? I don't remember a siding of

659
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 2>a family of bigfoots, right, So, you.

660
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.359
<v Speaker 4>Know we're starting off with incorrect date information in the

661
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 4>first place. The only instance I can think of that

662
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 4>he might be referring to would be the deduct footy

663
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.920
<v Speaker 4>where someone later in the year of two thousand, Doug

664
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Hicheck discovered what might be a baby in that film,

665
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Speaker 4>and my dad thought that there were, you know, two

666
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 4>adults in the film. But my father never claimed that

667
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 4>he didn't even know anything about a supposed baby or

668
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 4>offspring in the film until that was brought to him

669
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 4>in my two thousand and one. So I don't know

670
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 4>anything about that. I know that there's no sightings in

671
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 4>ninety three, there's no sidings in ninety four. I seriously,

672
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 4>seriously doubt first of all, that he was ever confronted

673
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.920
<v Speaker 4>by any sheriff's deputies. First of all, I just don't

674
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 4>see that happening. Secondly, he knew them all in the

675
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 4>area and knowing my dad. And I'm laughing because I

676
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 4>can envision his interaction with them. He you know, would

677
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 4>have told them And you can bleep me out here

678
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 4>if you need to kiss his ass and prove it.

679
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.239
<v Speaker 4>It's exactly what he would have said in a situation

680
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 4>like that. So I don't know where this comes from.

681
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.840
<v Speaker 4>And you know Hardin's book, this little section. I've seen

682
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 4>this before, I've read it. I've had some people throw

683
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 4>it up in my face. But I can tell your point.

684
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 4>You know, for a fact, he never admitted to anyone

685
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.920
<v Speaker 4>hoaxing anything. Number one. Number two, if he had even

686
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 4>to the sheriff's deputies, man, it would have been all

687
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.639
<v Speaker 4>over the papers. He was big news in Walla Walla

688
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.760
<v Speaker 4>at that time. Like that would have been everywhere, it would

689
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 4>have been in the news, you know, and that certainly

690
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.159
<v Speaker 4>like didn't happen. So yeah, I'm not sure. I don't

691
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 4>even know where that comes from. But I would actually

692
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 4>go as far as to say that that is complete fabrication.

693
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or at least so another rumor that he picked

694
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 2>up and he printed. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

695
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after

696
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 2>these messages.

697
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 4>The other thing that surrounds this event that we haven't

698
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 4>touched on is another rumor. As I'm sure you know,

699
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:06.440
<v Speaker 4>there's a rumor that renee to Hindon had already spoiled

700
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.119
<v Speaker 4>mister Harden before he even got through the tracks, you know.

701
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.559
<v Speaker 4>But again rumor, and as I said, we don't deal in.

702
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Rumors, Yeah, yeah, yeah, rumors or rumors, man, I'd rather

703
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 2>deal with the evidence. And that's why I focus on

704
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.119
<v Speaker 2>the evidence and put less faith in what people say

705
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:23.719
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, you know, less they were there

706
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>and or were witnesses of it, you know, let's get

707
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>let's jump right into the film, because that's besides footprint

708
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 2>casts and some other like handprint casts and stuff, which

709
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>we should also talk about. But the film is one

710
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>of the things that your dad is most known for,

711
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>but very few people realize that that was the second

712
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>time he filmed one. So let's talk a little bit

713
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>about that first film that very few people have seen.

714
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 2>And even you gave me a copy of it, and

715
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I still have not even sat down and gotten deep

716
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.559
<v Speaker 2>into it, by the way, So I apologize for not

717
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 2>doing my homework on that level. But I have watched it.

718
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I think you watched it with me. He might have

719
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 2>been watching me with me.

720
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 4>We watched it together. Yeah, we talked about it a

721
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 4>little bit.

722
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but with that very interesting stuff, I mean,

723
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a great film. But anyway, you tell us

724
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>about that first film before we get into the big one.

725
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's it's filmed at a location called Green Peak,

726
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 4>I believe. I believe it's nineteen ninety two, so I

727
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 4>think it's the same year as the Dad of Spring Footage.

728
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Actually I remember it being April of ninety two. I

729
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 2>could be red.

730
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.719
<v Speaker 4>Roll in April of ninety two. Yeah, and the camera

731
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 4>turns on. He's still in his truck, he's driving down

732
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 4>the road and he sees what he believes to be

733
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 4>a sasquatch and the camera turns on as he's getting

734
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.079
<v Speaker 4>out of the truck and he's, you know, super excited,

735
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.159
<v Speaker 4>and he slams his card door and I believe his

736
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 4>exclamation or whatever is I've been waiting ten years for this.

737
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.559
<v Speaker 4>I think that's what he says. But by the time

738
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.440
<v Speaker 4>he gets the camera up and it's not zoomed in,

739
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 4>of course, and we go back to you know, my

740
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 4>dad just wasn't a technological you know guy, you know,

741
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 4>and anyone who's ever seen that or listened to I

742
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:02.159
<v Speaker 4>guess that audio for the returned camera if you know

743
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.960
<v Speaker 4>what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about.

744
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's also on Todd Prescott's Sasquatch Archive website.

745
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 4>Him and the gentleman that he's with they can't figure

746
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 4>out how to turn the camera off. Okay, No, he was.

747
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.159
<v Speaker 2>He was an absolutely terrible cameraman. Nothing personal against your dad.

748
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 4>He was not good with technology. He was not educated

749
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 4>in that way, and he didn't ssume the camera in

750
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.559
<v Speaker 4>you know, at Greenpeak in this first video, and you

751
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 4>can see there's a sasquatch, you know, and it appears

752
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 4>to be I don't know, sixty seventy feet away maybe

753
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:36.920
<v Speaker 4>something like that, maybe longer, but the angle of it

754
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 4>with the road and the trees, it's kind of difficult

755
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 4>to see, and I don't think you can see the

756
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 4>entire body. But what's interesting with that one is that

757
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:48.639
<v Speaker 4>it stops completely and turns around to look at him

758
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.239
<v Speaker 4>for a couple of seconds. It just stops, and then

759
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 4>it continues on its way, and he ends up, you know,

760
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.119
<v Speaker 4>following it and following some of the footprints and we'll

761
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 4>talk about those in a second, and it ends up

762
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 4>going in very dark, very heavy, heavy forest, and he

763
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 4>kind of gets spooked a little bit and he isn't

764
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 4>sure if he wants to follow it in there, you know.

765
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 4>But I know one of the things that you and

766
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 4>I talked about, and we'll have to look at it

767
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 4>a little more in depth and a little further. And

768
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.599
<v Speaker 4>I've actually been trying to look at some stills from

769
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.199
<v Speaker 4>that video is that I believe it's a different individual

770
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.719
<v Speaker 4>than the one that he gets in August in Ddux spread.

771
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 4>It looks like it's probably a different bigfoot, and it

772
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 4>looks like it's probably an individual that we know is

773
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.199
<v Speaker 4>in the area from other footprints that we have from

774
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 4>the past.

775
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.159
<v Speaker 2>It is an interesting video. Of course, he did not

776
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 2>do a good job well filming it because of the

777
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 2>distance and the circumstances. And you know, I'm not going

778
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to complain about what he did because it's better than

779
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>anything I've gotten, but at the end of the day,

780
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:50.599
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a blat at the end of the day.

781
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>So what was your dad's What were your dad's comments

782
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 2>on that piece of footage.

783
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, he was super upset actually, because he thought when

784
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 4>he took the video that you know, this is it.

785
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 4>I've got it, you know. And then I remember he

786
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 4>came home and you know, plugged that old camera into

787
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 4>the TV so you know, you could you could watch it,

788
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:14.280
<v Speaker 4>and here's this tiny little thing that you can't even

789
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 4>see because he made a mistake with the camera and

790
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.079
<v Speaker 4>hadn't zoomed in. And I think that one of the

791
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.480
<v Speaker 4>mistakes he made, I think of a big mistake is

792
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 4>that he slammed the door of his truck when he

793
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 4>got out of it instead of leaving it open. And

794
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.159
<v Speaker 4>I think that may have spooked that animal or caused

795
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 4>it to take a different trajectory. Not that it hadn't

796
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 4>heard him driving down the road, you know, but I

797
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 4>think a loud noise like that probably wasn't helpful, you know,

798
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 4>either in that situation, but you know he was upset.

799
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.760
<v Speaker 4>But you know, it's you know, it is what it is.

800
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.440
<v Speaker 4>And I know that it had some slight local media coverage,

801
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, nothing grand, nothing like dtave.

802
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Tad, you know.

803
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.280
<v Speaker 4>And the other thing that bothers me about that is

804
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:58.960
<v Speaker 4>is I know what people say, you know, and I

805
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 4>know what people are going to say about that is it's, ah,

806
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 4>he's got two videos, you know, and like, you know,

807
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:06.480
<v Speaker 4>I've been doing this my whole life and I've never

808
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.320
<v Speaker 4>even seen one, And how can this guy get two videos?

809
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:09.519
<v Speaker 3>You know?

810
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 4>And you go back to the quote that I heard

811
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 4>earlier this week from somebody else, is you know, Paul

812
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Freeman's either the luckiest bigfooter that ever lived or he's

813
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 4>a complete fraud, you know, And you know it's it's

814
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 4>neither actually, And you know, Cliff, you can attest to

815
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 4>this as well, because you're educating on the subject. But

816
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 4>you have the right guy who has the right skill set,

817
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 4>which is a trained hunter and tracker, who has the

818
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 4>right area, which is a hotbed, which is what the

819
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 4>Blue Mountains were, you know, especially at that time, and

820
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.280
<v Speaker 4>he has the time to devote to do it, you

821
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.559
<v Speaker 4>know you're going to get more results. And you know,

822
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.639
<v Speaker 4>one of my dad's quotes actually is that you know,

823
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.000
<v Speaker 4>if you go fishing once a year, you may not

824
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 4>catch anything, but if you go fishing every day, you're

825
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 4>going to get something.

826
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think the right spot has everything in

827
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the world to do with it. The Bluff Creek and

828
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the sixties, they were there. There's a group of them

829
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>in that specific area, and that's why they got so

830
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 2>much stuff. The Blue Mountains at that time, there were

831
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 2>a group of them moving around in there quite often,

832
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.679
<v Speaker 2>and they got good stuff. I've got a spot over

833
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 2>in Mountain National Forests that have yielded I think at

834
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:18.599
<v Speaker 2>least four tracks in the last year and a half.

835
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 2>It's the right area. So we're hitting it hard. And

836
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, money Maker commented on this, if you read

837
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>his expedition page, he comments that like, yeah, everywhere might

838
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 2>look good for Bigfoot, but they're not everywhere. They're in

839
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>certain areas and that's the truth. That is the truth.

840
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 2>It's even to the point now and I've said it

841
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 2>before in the podcast when people come in the museum

842
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.239
<v Speaker 2>and they say, yeah, I saw one up so and so,

843
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>and I go, oh, yeah, was it on this road?

844
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 2>They go, well, yeah, it was on that road. How

845
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>did you know, because that's where everybody else sees them

846
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 2>because they hang out in certain areas. The spot and

847
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.679
<v Speaker 2>the researcher are just part of a perfect storm that

848
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 2>can come together if everything is right. People are willing

849
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to spend the time out there.

850
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yeah, you know, my father had the time to spend.

851
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 4>He made the time to spend. Even if he wouldn't

852
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 4>have had it, he would have made it. You know,

853
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.679
<v Speaker 4>he made the time to spend out there. He knew

854
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 4>the area as well or better than anybody else that's

855
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.800
<v Speaker 4>ever been there, and he was prepared and he knew

856
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 4>what he was doing. And as far as you know,

857
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.159
<v Speaker 4>being a hunter and a tracker goes, he's one of

858
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 4>the best that's ever done that. And I can't think

859
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.599
<v Speaker 4>if anyone, you know, that would even come close to

860
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.119
<v Speaker 4>be better than him. He was kind of the perfect

861
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:29.840
<v Speaker 4>guy in the perfect spot. People can say whatever they want,

862
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, people can past judgment and they can do

863
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 4>all this and they can you know, like I said,

864
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 4>listen to these rumors, but you know, and it's not

865
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.280
<v Speaker 4>just my dad. As we talked about earlier, it's the

866
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 4>Blue Mountains and the Blue Mountain Evidence and all the

867
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 4>people involved in that. They have produced some of the

868
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 4>best footprint and cast evidence that's ever been found. And

869
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:49.519
<v Speaker 4>all you got to do is.

870
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Take a look at yeah, and you know, yep, you

871
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 2>can't look at one or two casts. I'd like to

872
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.679
<v Speaker 2>make that perfectly clear. I will be so bold to

873
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>even say that if you have less than a dozen

874
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.159
<v Speaker 2>casts in your collection, you probably don't know very much

875
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.599
<v Speaker 2>about casts, because you have to be able to see

876
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>a variety of casts and a variety of toe positions

877
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.760
<v Speaker 2>and flexations and all that sort of stuff to really

878
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.079
<v Speaker 2>start wrapping your head around what a sasquatch foot is

879
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and what it's capable of doing. You can't just look

880
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>at a half a dozen casts and think, oh, yeah,

881
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I know about bigfootprints. I've got six, Well that's cute. No,

882
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:20.719
<v Speaker 2>you need a lot more than that and improve in

883
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 2>the putting bows. How many casts do you have?

884
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Sixty or seventy?

885
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 2>There you go, there you go, and yeah, so Bobo's

886
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>an unsung hero of casts and recognizing solid casts in

887
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.079
<v Speaker 2>the ground and stuff. But yeah, so you have to

888
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of these things. You just simply have

889
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to have a lot of these things to really understand

890
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. But you know, let's fast forward a

891
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>few months and let's talk about the most famous Freeman

892
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.079
<v Speaker 2>footage is out there, which is the d Duck Springs footage.

893
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.519
<v Speaker 2>And you have such interesting insight into this because you

894
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:50.079
<v Speaker 2>knew what your dad was up to at the time,

895
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 2>You knew what happened on that day, and you were

896
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 2>even the first person of your family at least that

897
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 2>he spoke to after the footage was obtained. So fill

898
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 2>us in, tell us the story of the de Duck footage.

899
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Speaker 4>Uh, Deduct. Yeah, well, the week that that was filmed,

900
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.159
<v Speaker 4>and my dad had been to Deduct every single day,

901
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 4>he knew we're coming there. Well, it was a it

902
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 4>was a hot summer. A lot of the water sources

903
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 4>had dried up. You know, hot dry summers are not

904
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 4>uncommon in that area. It's it's that high desert eastern Washington,

905
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, but that summer was particularly hot and a

906
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.360
<v Speaker 4>lot of the water sources had dried up. And we

907
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 4>also have in anyone who's ever seen his map, if

908
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.239
<v Speaker 4>you haven't seen it, and go to the North American

909
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 4>big Foot Center and check it out. The area around

910
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 4>De Duck Spring is by far the most active area

911
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 4>for Bigfoot evidence in you know, that Blue Mountain region

912
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 4>right there. Year after year after year, you have evidence

913
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 4>coming out of there. You know, he he knew they

914
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.840
<v Speaker 4>were there, he knew they were getting water, and he

915
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 4>was going up there every day. And now my dad

916
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.360
<v Speaker 4>was going. You know, he's working nights. At the time,

917
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 4>he was you know, getting off work about four o'clock

918
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 4>in the morning or so, he was driving up to

919
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.960
<v Speaker 4>De Ducks about an hour and a half drive from

920
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.840
<v Speaker 4>where we lived. He was getting there around six o'clock

921
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.320
<v Speaker 4>in the morning. He would sit in his vehicle, he

922
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.159
<v Speaker 4>would watch the pond and then you know, eventually as

923
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.000
<v Speaker 4>it got lighter, he would get out. He'd go look

924
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 4>for tracks and disturbances, you know, around the pond's edge,

925
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, stuff like that. And he was finding some

926
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 4>things here and there, but you know, not not a

927
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 4>whole lot of a whole lot of luck. And then

928
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:27.599
<v Speaker 4>you know, on the weekends he was getting up and

929
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 4>he was going earlier because you know, my dad, one

930
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 4>of the mistakes that he made, and yes, I'll say

931
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 4>it's a mistake. One of the mistakes he made is

932
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 4>that he had it in his brain that they were

933
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 4>coming before he got there, and that they were they

934
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:43.320
<v Speaker 4>were getting water and they were taking care of their needs,

935
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 4>and then they were leaving, and that they had figured

936
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 4>him out and they knew, you know, about what time

937
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.320
<v Speaker 4>he was going to come, and so he thought that

938
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 4>he was missing them. It turns out that that, you know,

939
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 4>that was that was a mistake. Now what's really interesting

940
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 4>in what kind of leads us to the footage is

941
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.480
<v Speaker 4>actually something that was completely by chance, and that was

942
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 4>that the night before he got the footage, which was Wednesday,

943
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 4>and that was August nineteenth, nineteen ninety two, before he

944
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.639
<v Speaker 4>went to work that evening, he got a phone call

945
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 4>from my sister and I just want to say, you know,

946
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.920
<v Speaker 4>my sister passed away this June in a motorcycle accident.

947
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:24.920
<v Speaker 4>So you know, we're all going to miss her and

948
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 4>may she rest in peace. But she has an integral

949
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 4>part in the story of my dad's footage. And anyway,

950
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 4>he got a phone call from my sister and her

951
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 4>car would not start and she had to get to

952
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.039
<v Speaker 4>work in the morning and give my nephew to daycare.

953
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 4>And you know all that stuff, and you know, she said, Dad,

954
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 4>can you come over and fix my car? And so

955
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 4>my dad said, yeah, you know, of course, of course

956
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:49.400
<v Speaker 4>I will. And he went to work that night. He

957
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.119
<v Speaker 4>had no intentions of going to de duck Spring the

958
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 4>next day, none at all. He went to work, he

959
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 4>got off work, he came home, he got a little sleep,

960
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 4>he got up in the morning, he went and got

961
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 4>his cup of coffee at the Flying Jay restaurant, which

962
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 4>is where you know he always went, and he drove

963
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 4>over to my sister's house and got her car running

964
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 4>so she could go. And the best estimation of time

965
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.960
<v Speaker 4>I have, and it's it's kind of debatable. Some people

966
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.199
<v Speaker 4>say he got to d Duckt around nine am. I

967
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.079
<v Speaker 4>don't think that's true. I think he headed to de

968
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.519
<v Speaker 4>Ducked around nine am. So I think he left my

969
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 4>sister's house around nine am is kind of the way

970
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:30.199
<v Speaker 4>I interpret this. But anyway, he left my sister's house

971
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.280
<v Speaker 4>and he was going home, and then halfway home he

972
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:34.760
<v Speaker 4>just thought, well, what the hell, I'll drive up there

973
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 4>and maybe there's some footprints, you know, or something I

974
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:43.320
<v Speaker 4>could find. And what ended up happening was he ended

975
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 4>up getting to d ducked anywhere between three, two, four

976
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:52.159
<v Speaker 4>and a half hours later than when he was normally

977
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.360
<v Speaker 4>showing up. And like I said, the mistake he made

978
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 4>was he thought that they were coming before him and leaving,

979
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.239
<v Speaker 4>and that's not true. They were already there and were

980
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.480
<v Speaker 4>watching him, and when he was leaving, then they were

981
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 4>going and they were getting their water. And I'm absolutely

982
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 4>certain of this. And when he showed up late that day,

983
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.760
<v Speaker 4>he surprised them and he walked right up on one

984
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 4>too or possibly too. Yeah, I mean, you know that

985
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 4>that's something we're looking into. And I have my own

986
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.000
<v Speaker 4>theories on that, and we'll get into that here in

987
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 4>a minute. Well, you know, in my dad's own words,

988
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.599
<v Speaker 4>he thinks that when he drove up, when he when

989
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 4>it heard the car, and when he drove up and parked,

990
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 4>he thinks that he startled it. That it was probably

991
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 4>at the pond getting water, because the tracks that are

992
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 4>there look very, very fresh, and he makes a comment

993
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:40.760
<v Speaker 4>in the video that wow, these are you know, these

994
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 4>are fresh. So his description is that he thinks it

995
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 4>was at the pond. It's Waldinen Pond, by the way.

996
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 4>If anyone doesn't know that it's not actually De Duck

997
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.440
<v Speaker 4>Spring Walden Pond at the Dedux trailhead. Dedux Spring is

998
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:55.599
<v Speaker 4>this little tiny spring that runs out of the ground

999
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:59.519
<v Speaker 4>that feeds the pond. But anyway, he pulls up in

1000
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.119
<v Speaker 4>his car, he startles his animal and it takes off

1001
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.320
<v Speaker 4>and it goes back up the trail and it goes

1002
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.760
<v Speaker 4>to the right, and as he's looking at the prince

1003
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 4>and he gets his camera and he's filming these prints,

1004
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.599
<v Speaker 4>and then he kind of hears it in the brush

1005
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.559
<v Speaker 4>for whatever reason, and again we'll talk about this, but

1006
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 4>for whatever reason, it decides to cut back and go

1007
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 4>to the left and cross him and head for the

1008
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 4>watershed boundary, which is that way. Not only the watershed boundary,

1009
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:29.760
<v Speaker 4>but there's also you've been there recently, Cliff. It's what

1010
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 4>about twenty yards after it goes off camera in his footage,

1011
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 4>there's about a fifteen foot ravine that drops off into

1012
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 4>the spring. But yeah, so you know, a little luck,

1013
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:47.159
<v Speaker 4>a little chance, a little you know, preparedness, because you know,

1014
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 4>he had the right spot, and he had the right

1015
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:53.519
<v Speaker 4>time of year, and he had the right reason for

1016
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.599
<v Speaker 4>them being there. He knew they were coming. He was

1017
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.679
<v Speaker 4>just missing them because of something and I think that

1018
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 4>he was probably underestimating, you know, their ability to to

1019
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.360
<v Speaker 4>watch him and know him and know when he was

1020
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 4>leaving and then make their approach, you know, after the

1021
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 4>safety of him being gone, instead of taking the chance

1022
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 4>of you know, just coming out without seeing him.

1023
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:18.360
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1024
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, the fact that he was late, certainly, it

1025
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 4>is what leads to it leads to him getting the footage.

1026
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 4>You know. Another misconception, though, I just want to clear up,

1027
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 4>is everyone seems to think, for some reason that this

1028
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 4>is the first time he rolled up with a video camera,

1029
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 4>you know, and he's filming, and it is completely not true.

1030
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.599
<v Speaker 4>I have hours of footage of him filming just tracks

1031
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:41.440
<v Speaker 4>in the ground, or he's talking to somebody else, or

1032
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, he's casting prints, or my dog's running around,

1033
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:48.800
<v Speaker 4>and there's all these things. And he was reusing these

1034
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 4>eight millimeter magnetic tapes because we couldn't afford to buy

1035
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:56.719
<v Speaker 4>new ones, and so sometimes we have different events that

1036
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 4>are on the same tape. And one of the things

1037
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 4>that we have would Deduct is we have a casting

1038
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 4>of juvenile prints at Gifford Peak on the deduct master tape,

1039
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.480
<v Speaker 4>and they happened to come before the deduct footage, And

1040
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 4>what has happened in the past is people have tried

1041
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 4>to make the connection that he was casting those juvenile

1042
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 4>prints and then he walks over to the pond and

1043
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:22.760
<v Speaker 4>then he gets his footage, and people have tried to

1044
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 4>use this to say, yeah, look, I told you there's

1045
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 4>a juvenile in that footage. Well, it's not true that

1046
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 4>he did that, because those are two completely separate events.

1047
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 4>The juvenile castings at Gifford Peak were done months before

1048
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.440
<v Speaker 4>the Deduct footage. It just so happens to be on

1049
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.800
<v Speaker 4>the same master tape because he was recording over other stuff.

1050
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 4>What he recorded over my nephew's second birthday party to

1051
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 4>get the Deduct footage. That's the other thing that was

1052
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 4>on the tape. You know, if that shows you how

1053
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:53.280
<v Speaker 4>important they're the Bigfoot stuff was. But you know, again

1054
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 4>for the last time, there were no juvenile prints that

1055
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:01.239
<v Speaker 4>were cast at Deduct. Those are from different peak. Those

1056
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.400
<v Speaker 4>two things are separate events. They are not connected. I

1057
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 4>wish people would stop showing them as a connection to

1058
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 4>try to prove a point.

1059
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

1060
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Bogo will be right back after these messages.

1061
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 4>Here's what I think happened is I believe he pulls

1062
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.159
<v Speaker 4>up in the car, he startles it. It goes up

1063
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.519
<v Speaker 4>the trail and it goes to the right and he,

1064
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, he's looking at the tracks and he falls

1065
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.760
<v Speaker 4>it up there and he gets too close, and I

1066
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 4>think that it comes back out to the left and

1067
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 4>it shoots him that look. And I don't think that's

1068
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:44.159
<v Speaker 4>a friendly look. I think that's a warning because if

1069
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 4>you notice when it does that, it's a fast head step,

1070
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, and it's not a slow like I'm gonna

1071
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.400
<v Speaker 4>look at you. It's a seeing now you're too close.

1072
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of like well like like what Roger Patterson

1073
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.679
<v Speaker 2>described when he saw that sasquatch look at him and

1074
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 2>give him that look like an umpire. He said that

1075
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 2>the giving to look one more screw up and you're

1076
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 2>out of the game.

1077
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.199
<v Speaker 4>Exactly right. And then it keeps going to the left

1078
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 4>and it hides behind the tree and then it pops

1079
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.159
<v Speaker 4>out and it goes about twenty yards and it drops

1080
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 4>down that ravine and it moves along the ravine and

1081
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 4>it pops back out to get that baby.

1082
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I disagree with that. And then part of me for

1083
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.679
<v Speaker 2>interrupting and The reason I say that is because you know,

1084
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you very generously gave us access to the original tape,

1085
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and we uploaded the original tape, which has none of

1086
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the distortions and none of the interlacings that all the

1087
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.079
<v Speaker 2>other every other copy has on there. And the baby

1088
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.159
<v Speaker 2>the baby pick up, if that's indeed what it is,

1089
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 2>is before we see the sasquatch disappear, and you can

1090
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.639
<v Speaker 2>actually see the top of the sasquatch as it's down

1091
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 2>or going down into the ravine, and that is later

1092
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 2>on in the film. I don't think it came back

1093
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 2>out to get the baby.

1094
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 4>I think it drops into the ravine and comes back

1095
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.400
<v Speaker 4>up to get the baby and then goes back down

1096
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 4>into the ravine.

1097
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think that's the case. I think it

1098
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Speaker 2>went down in the ravine after it got the baby.

1099
00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But what we can we can get the film out

1100
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>together and take a look at some point.

1101
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.199
<v Speaker 4>But that that's kind of my like interpretation is that,

1102
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 4>you know, after it disappears, I think it makes a

1103
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:08.960
<v Speaker 4>beeline for that and moves along that and it comes

1104
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 4>back up and grabs her and or grabs it whatever

1105
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.519
<v Speaker 4>and goes back down. But maybe not, you know, like

1106
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 4>I said that that's my thought process on you know,

1107
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 4>what might be happening there.

1108
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, I will say that there is a cut in

1109
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 2>the film, so we don't know the time laps there,

1110
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.000
<v Speaker 2>so maybe you are right, we really don't know. And

1111
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:26.960
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately our dad's not around it, right.

1112
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:31.960
<v Speaker 4>And I wasn't there obviously, But that's at least I guess.

1113
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.639
<v Speaker 4>I would say that's my thought process on what I

1114
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 4>think it's doing. And of course there I go again

1115
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.239
<v Speaker 4>saying I don't like when people assume that they would

1116
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:41.599
<v Speaker 4>know what a bigfoot would do and then I just

1117
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:45.679
<v Speaker 4>did it, but you know, trying to piece it together.

1118
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.599
<v Speaker 4>That's that's my impression. But you made me right as well.

1119
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:52.119
<v Speaker 4>And it may be moving not down the ravine until

1120
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:56.400
<v Speaker 4>after it supposedly will say for right now grabs that baby.

1121
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.280
<v Speaker 4>But regardless of that, regardless of whether you when I

1122
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 4>are right, we end up in the ravine at the end.

1123
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.599
<v Speaker 4>And I think solely the reason that it even showed

1124
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.440
<v Speaker 4>itself to him, it walks in front of him, it

1125
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.960
<v Speaker 4>turns its head is because it's trying to distract him

1126
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.400
<v Speaker 4>from something, and it's trying to hide something. And I

1127
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.239
<v Speaker 4>think that what it's trying to hide. Is that baby

1128
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 4>that's back there that it goes and gets. And I

1129
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:21.519
<v Speaker 4>think if that baby wouldn't have been there, and it

1130
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.440
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't have been so far away from it, he would

1131
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:24.559
<v Speaker 4>have never got that video.

1132
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very likely sasquatch, just because you know, to the

1133
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.599
<v Speaker 2>rights to the camera, right, there's a big slope and

1134
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.559
<v Speaker 2>you can go uphill and disappear into the trees. There

1135
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:34.559
<v Speaker 2>must have been a reason it was hanging around that

1136
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:36.599
<v Speaker 2>very well. Could have been that the infant in the

1137
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:37.320
<v Speaker 2>area to.

1138
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.079
<v Speaker 4>Be a reason. And if there's an infant there, it

1139
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:43.119
<v Speaker 4>gives perfect reason for it to have that behavior, you know.

1140
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.480
<v Speaker 4>But you're right. There are some strange things in the

1141
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 4>newspaper that follow this event. One of them actually kind

1142
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.679
<v Speaker 4>of backs the possibility of having a baby. And that

1143
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 4>is my dad's account of what he calls the second sasquatch,

1144
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 4>which is the one that plucks the baby up. Now,

1145
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's the second one. I think it's

1146
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 4>the same one, and so I don't think there were

1147
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 4>two there. I think that you're correct, and he overshot

1148
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.400
<v Speaker 4>it and it came out in a different spot than

1149
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.159
<v Speaker 4>he expected it to be, and so he thought that

1150
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.039
<v Speaker 4>it was a second bigfoot, but I think it is

1151
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Speaker 4>the same one that walks in front of the camera,

1152
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.039
<v Speaker 4>and I've referred to her as you know, big Jill

1153
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.679
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. But I think it's the same sasquatch. But

1154
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:30.880
<v Speaker 4>when he sees that one for the second time, there's

1155
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.760
<v Speaker 4>a description that's given in a newspaper that it turned

1156
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.599
<v Speaker 4>to look at him and he could see what he

1157
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:42.320
<v Speaker 4>thought was a deformity on the side of its head

1158
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:46.079
<v Speaker 4>and neck, that stump stuck out like a lump, like

1159
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:50.360
<v Speaker 4>it was deformed. I think that that's the baby on

1160
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:52.239
<v Speaker 4>her back, and I think that what he's seen from

1161
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 4>one hundred feet away or however far was through the

1162
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.880
<v Speaker 4>trees right there. I think it's the baby's head that

1163
00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 4>he's seen that looked looks like a hunchbacker, looks like

1164
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:05.719
<v Speaker 4>a deformality. The other account we have, like you said,

1165
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 4>is that you know, he hit out in the tree

1166
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:10.920
<v Speaker 4>had fallen down and the roots had come up, and

1167
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 4>they you know, dug out like a little den and

1168
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 4>he hid down in there for up to two hours,

1169
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:22.159
<v Speaker 4>I guess, is whatever the estimation is, because they had

1170
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 4>gotten somewhat aggressive and he had heard some vocalizations that

1171
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 4>they were making and he thought that maybe they were

1172
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 4>behind him, following him, and so he got a little

1173
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.840
<v Speaker 4>nervous and he ditched himself out in there. I think

1174
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:40.039
<v Speaker 4>that up to two hours is probably not correct, you know,

1175
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.000
<v Speaker 4>if this is what happened. I think that, you know,

1176
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 4>he didn't have a watch, he never wore one, There

1177
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:49.960
<v Speaker 4>was no cell phones. His camera which wasn't even on,

1178
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't even have like a timestamp on it. And I

1179
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 4>think that if you were under stress or shock or

1180
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:58.280
<v Speaker 4>scared in that situation, you would have no concept of time.

1181
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.480
<v Speaker 4>And also we know this as well because about the

1182
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 4>time that he arrives home later. I don't think it

1183
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.440
<v Speaker 4>can be two hours. I think that if this happened,

1184
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 4>and maybe it was maybe thirty.

1185
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Minutes, which was really seem like two hours if you're

1186
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 2>scared out of your mind, which.

1187
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Speaker 4>Would seemed why two hours if you're scared out of

1188
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.199
<v Speaker 4>your mind. And I have an account of him saying

1189
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:22.199
<v Speaker 4>that he was in a cold sweat, you know, basically

1190
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.599
<v Speaker 4>getting ready to speak to the man upstairs and say like,

1191
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 4>you know, hey, let me out of this thing. You know,

1192
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:30.079
<v Speaker 4>we also have my dad saying that during this event

1193
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.719
<v Speaker 4>that there was a voice inside of him that said,

1194
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:35.880
<v Speaker 4>that's it. You don't need to bother these animals anymore.

1195
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.239
<v Speaker 4>You got close enough. Maybe you just need to leave

1196
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:41.199
<v Speaker 4>them alone, you know. And whatever that voice was, or

1197
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:44.239
<v Speaker 4>whatever you want to call it, you know, it's something

1198
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 4>that I've heard him talk about more than once. It

1199
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.880
<v Speaker 4>is having that feeling during this whole episode. But we

1200
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 4>do have a little confusion on the time, you know,

1201
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:56.679
<v Speaker 4>and we know, or at least I think, I know,

1202
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.320
<v Speaker 4>that there weren't two of them. I think that you're right,

1203
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.039
<v Speaker 4>and he overshot that and he thought there was two,

1204
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:04.519
<v Speaker 4>and so he therefore thought the other one was behind

1205
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.320
<v Speaker 4>him when it wasn't. And I think he started to

1206
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:09.599
<v Speaker 4>get a little scared at that point because you know,

1207
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:11.679
<v Speaker 4>if you're dealing with the wild animal, that's one thing,

1208
01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:13.840
<v Speaker 4>but if you're dealing with two of them, then the

1209
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 4>odds of the unknown happening goes up, right, and especially

1210
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:19.840
<v Speaker 4>with the young you know, if there's a young one involved,

1211
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:23.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, then you're in real danger. So I think that,

1212
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, it scared him a little bit. I think

1213
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:31.159
<v Speaker 4>that his timeframe was off. And I also think, and

1214
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:34.199
<v Speaker 4>again nothing against my dad, you know, but he was

1215
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:36.440
<v Speaker 4>a big, tough guy, he was one of those guys, macho,

1216
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 4>tough guy, and I have this feeling that it scared

1217
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.719
<v Speaker 4>him a little bit and that embarrassing, and that's you know,

1218
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.360
<v Speaker 4>maybe that like I hit out for two hours, you know,

1219
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:50.840
<v Speaker 4>thaying was kind of a little overshot to cover up

1220
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.679
<v Speaker 4>for that embarrassment, you know, And that's just me being

1221
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:55.360
<v Speaker 4>honest and what I feel may have happened.

1222
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, sure, yeah, I think that's very reasonable. So the

1223
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:03.000
<v Speaker 2>video got a lot of attention, of course, and it

1224
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.800
<v Speaker 2>even threw the attention of national television, which I think

1225
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.159
<v Speaker 2>is a good segue into speaking about the Good Morning

1226
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:11.280
<v Speaker 2>America thing. Why don't you tell us about that? Because

1227
01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 2>that has caused a lot of just damage to your

1228
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.320
<v Speaker 2>father's reputation and it seemed to be a total hit job.

1229
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Thomas, tell us about that.

1230
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:21.960
<v Speaker 4>God, I'm surprising with this long without talking about it.

1231
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm so sick of hearing about Good Morning America. But yeah,

1232
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 4>let's dig it, let's just put it in the ground

1233
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:27.480
<v Speaker 4>some more.

1234
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:27.679
<v Speaker 3>So.

1235
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, nineteen eighty seven. Some people always think it's early

1236
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.119
<v Speaker 4>nineties for some reason, but it's not. In nineteen eighty seven,

1237
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.119
<v Speaker 4>my father goes on Good Morning America, with West Summerland

1238
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.239
<v Speaker 4>and Reneda Hendon and Mike Dennett who's a skeptic and

1239
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 4>gets a real hit job actually from the network. And

1240
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:49.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's kind of a satire piece from the beginning.

1241
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.599
<v Speaker 4>They're just kind of making fun of bigfooters, but the

1242
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.440
<v Speaker 4>real damage in portion, you know, comes into a real slick,

1243
01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 4>just hatchet job at it that they do on my

1244
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.280
<v Speaker 4>dad when they asked him a question and he tries

1245
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:03.800
<v Speaker 4>to answer it honestly, and you know, the question they

1246
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:06.280
<v Speaker 4>ask is, you know, have you ever made fake footprints?

1247
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:09.239
<v Speaker 4>And my dad's just being transparent and he's being honest,

1248
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:11.719
<v Speaker 4>and he says, yeah, I've made fake footprints. I've made

1249
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.679
<v Speaker 4>them in my garden at home, and I'm you know,

1250
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:18.440
<v Speaker 4>trying to you know, compare to them with what I'm finding,

1251
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.079
<v Speaker 4>and you know, see if this is something that a

1252
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:24.239
<v Speaker 4>man could do. And you know, in my father's defense,

1253
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 4>he was doing it for research purposes and scientific purposes,

1254
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:32.760
<v Speaker 4>and he was trying to eliminate any possibility that somebody

1255
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.000
<v Speaker 4>else was doing this, and they were they were fooling him,

1256
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 4>you know. But what we get in the episode when

1257
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:42.239
<v Speaker 4>it airs is you know, the skeptic saying, well, we

1258
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.079
<v Speaker 4>know there's at least one person who's made fake footprints,

1259
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:47.800
<v Speaker 4>and then it just cuts to my dad saying, yes

1260
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.840
<v Speaker 4>I have, and then, you know, as his voice starts

1261
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.119
<v Speaker 4>to rise because he's gonna expand on that answer, it

1262
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.039
<v Speaker 4>just cuts off to him looking at a piece of

1263
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.039
<v Speaker 4>bark that's got scratch marks in it, you know, and

1264
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.199
<v Speaker 4>telling the guy, yeah, he's a real So they didn't

1265
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 4>even include his full answer. All you get to see

1266
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:05.880
<v Speaker 4>on there is him saying, yes, I've made fake footprints,

1267
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:10.559
<v Speaker 4>and you know, honestly, it's a black cloud man that

1268
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:15.480
<v Speaker 4>has been over his head for thirty some years and

1269
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.119
<v Speaker 4>it never goes away, and everyone likes to throw it up.

1270
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.840
<v Speaker 4>You know, Oh the footage is fake. He admitted it

1271
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:24.239
<v Speaker 4>on TV. You know, no he didn't. You know that

1272
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:26.360
<v Speaker 4>was Good Morning America or oh this is fake. You know,

1273
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 4>he admitted it. He's a hoaxer. He admitted it. He

1274
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 4>never admitted to anything except trying to do some experiments

1275
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.400
<v Speaker 4>to make him a better researcher. And he got stabbed

1276
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:41.360
<v Speaker 4>in the back. And you know, it's man, I've been

1277
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.679
<v Speaker 4>fighting this for a long time, but I wish people

1278
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.280
<v Speaker 4>would realize that there's an agenda there and realized that

1279
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.239
<v Speaker 4>there were people like me who were present for that.

1280
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.880
<v Speaker 4>And Jonathan Summerland was there as well. He can tell

1281
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 4>you the same story like he was there when this

1282
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.400
<v Speaker 4>was recorded. You know, we're not the only ones, but

1283
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:00.400
<v Speaker 4>the people that know no. But you know, I would

1284
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.320
<v Speaker 4>like the air cleared on that at some point in time.

1285
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:05.840
<v Speaker 2>When I watched that again not too long ago, and

1286
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.320
<v Speaker 2>it got my blood boiling a little bit because that guy,

1287
01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.119
<v Speaker 2>that Michael Dennit guy, he suggested right in front of

1288
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:15.440
<v Speaker 2>West Summerlin that yeah, maybe he didn't know the difference

1289
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.960
<v Speaker 2>if he saw a bear or a bigfoot. And Wes Man,

1290
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised Wes held back and didn't just let loose

1291
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.440
<v Speaker 2>on the guy, because Wes is a professional mountain guy,

1292
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:28.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, and a professional tracker. He is hired to

1293
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 2>track people. Yeah, and to say that in front of

1294
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody is such a level of disrespect. It just drove

1295
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.159
<v Speaker 2>me nuts watching that. And of course you've had to

1296
01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:39.480
<v Speaker 2>live with that, that dark cloud, as you said too.

1297
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:43.480
<v Speaker 2>So it's a curse upon all the Blue mountains and.

1298
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:45.320
<v Speaker 4>I've had to live with it, you know. And it's

1299
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:47.599
<v Speaker 4>the good goes with the bad, you know, And around

1300
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:50.360
<v Speaker 4>that same time. You know, my dad did a commercial

1301
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 4>for Dryers ice cream. It's eighties ice cream on the

1302
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:56.280
<v Speaker 4>East Coast and Dryers you know, west of the Mississippi

1303
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.199
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. But you know, when he got some fame,

1304
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:01.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, for that, and if you've never seen that,

1305
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:05.079
<v Speaker 4>it's pretty stupid and comical, but it's you know, the

1306
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:07.000
<v Speaker 4>most amount of money he ever made for anything he

1307
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:10.840
<v Speaker 4>ever did Bigfoot related in its entire life, including the footage.

1308
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.199
<v Speaker 4>So you have, you know, a nationalized scream commercial and

1309
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:17.039
<v Speaker 4>you get some attention, and then you you go on

1310
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:18.519
<v Speaker 4>a show like this and you think that you're going

1311
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 4>to get more positive attention, and you know, they do

1312
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.320
<v Speaker 4>something like that to you, and then you have to

1313
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:26.519
<v Speaker 4>try to explain to everybody for the rest of your life,

1314
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:29.559
<v Speaker 4>you know why this happened, and then the rest of

1315
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:33.039
<v Speaker 4>your evidence, you know, gets thrown out and you know,

1316
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:35.000
<v Speaker 4>put in the garbage. But you know, one of the

1317
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:37.159
<v Speaker 4>things that it kind of eats me as well is

1318
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:41.280
<v Speaker 4>when people would imply, you know, that he admitted this

1319
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:44.239
<v Speaker 4>or that he's a hoaxer. They're not only implying that

1320
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.000
<v Speaker 4>about him, but then they're implying everybody in the blue

1321
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:49.880
<v Speaker 4>Mountain evidence as either being in on it or being

1322
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.800
<v Speaker 4>too stupid to know any better. And now you're talking

1323
01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:55.320
<v Speaker 4>about West Summerland and you're talking about David Bean, and

1324
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 4>you're talking about Bill Lowry dark Addington, and you're talking

1325
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:02.159
<v Speaker 4>about Grover Krantz, and we all know that Grover Krantz

1326
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.920
<v Speaker 4>is the smartest guy in that room, you know. So

1327
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 4>it's just, yeah, it's it's one of those things. I've

1328
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.360
<v Speaker 4>lived with it for you know, forty years, so you know,

1329
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:15.960
<v Speaker 4>I'll continue to live with it, or you know, hopefully

1330
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:18.159
<v Speaker 4>one of these days people will actually take the time

1331
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:22.880
<v Speaker 4>to look at the evidence and not listen to the rumors.

1332
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:26.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's ky just frustrating. I mean, just that'd be

1333
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 5>so just tearing your dad called the liar over and

1334
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.480
<v Speaker 5>over and over. It's just got to be infuriating.

1335
01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.800
<v Speaker 4>Well, it is, you know, every time you go on YouTube,

1336
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.480
<v Speaker 4>every time you go to a social media site that

1337
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:42.239
<v Speaker 4>has to deal with Bigfoot, every time his footage just shown,

1338
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 4>every time his name pops up, Paul Freeman, you have

1339
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:50.199
<v Speaker 4>someone that pops up and says, well, he's a hoaxer

1340
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.480
<v Speaker 4>and this is why, and I know it, and it

1341
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:58.079
<v Speaker 4>is and it's it's it's hard to not respond to

1342
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:01.760
<v Speaker 4>all of them. And so it's you know, and I was,

1343
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:04.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, and James, when you and I spoke some

1344
01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 4>years ago, I was sort of active in the Bigfoot

1345
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:09.920
<v Speaker 4>community a little bit, and when I stepped back away

1346
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 4>from it because of this stuff and because I just

1347
01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:15.400
<v Speaker 4>wasn't ready to handle it. And I've kind of thrown

1348
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.880
<v Speaker 4>myself back into it with doing a book and whatnot,

1349
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.440
<v Speaker 4>and I've done it to myself. But you know, this time,

1350
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:23.719
<v Speaker 4>I have good people around me, and I've got Cliff

1351
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.119
<v Speaker 4>and Doug Hycheck and you know, some of these people,

1352
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.320
<v Speaker 4>and they're helping me deal with this a little bit better.

1353
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:32.320
<v Speaker 4>But it is incredibly frustrating and not only frustrating on

1354
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:38.039
<v Speaker 4>the level of research, but it's my father. Like it's

1355
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:39.840
<v Speaker 4>not someone that I know or I look up to,

1356
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.320
<v Speaker 4>like it's my family member. Like it's a man that

1357
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:44.960
<v Speaker 4>raised me and I know what kind of person he is.

1358
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.840
<v Speaker 4>And then you hear just constant criticism and it'll beat

1359
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:51.159
<v Speaker 4>you down and it's hard to deal with.

1360
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.719
<v Speaker 2>The connection there. Obviously, I mean's your dad. Obviously that's

1361
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:56.679
<v Speaker 2>a huge thing. I was talking to Melissa about this

1362
01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the other night in regards to the Freeman evidence, I

1363
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:03.559
<v Speaker 2>think of anyone would know that if your dad was

1364
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:07.000
<v Speaker 2>up to some shenanigans, hoaxing things, making fake prints, fake

1365
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>making fake videos, you the family members would have seen

1366
01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:15.800
<v Speaker 2>some sign of it at some point. But that just

1367
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.039
<v Speaker 2>isn't the case, you would.

1368
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.479
<v Speaker 4>Think, right. I mean, we had an entire room. It

1369
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:23.399
<v Speaker 4>was the Bigfoot Room, you know. It was the garage

1370
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:25.640
<v Speaker 4>at one point, and then my parents moved into this

1371
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:28.239
<v Speaker 4>other house and it was the Bigfoot Room, and you

1372
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.119
<v Speaker 4>had all the casts, and you had all the stuff

1373
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:32.399
<v Speaker 4>and Harry samples everything, you know, it was in there

1374
01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:34.319
<v Speaker 4>in the map and all that. And I remember, you know,

1375
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:36.520
<v Speaker 4>as a kid, it was like this magical place, you know.

1376
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:38.399
<v Speaker 4>And maybe I got to hold a cast, you know

1377
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:41.119
<v Speaker 4>if I asked, right, you know, that type of thing

1378
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:44.600
<v Speaker 4>before I got to go out with him, because you know,

1379
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.560
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't allowed to go until I was ten years old.

1380
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:49.079
<v Speaker 4>That's the first time I ever got to go look

1381
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 4>at any tracks or anything like that. I was deemed

1382
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:54.600
<v Speaker 4>too young, you know before that. And then when I

1383
01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:57.840
<v Speaker 4>was fourteen years old, which was nineteen ninety one, I

1384
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.000
<v Speaker 4>got to mix plaster and por cast for the first time,

1385
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.479
<v Speaker 4>which happened to be nineteen ninety one mil Creek Road,

1386
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:05.159
<v Speaker 4>and I'm pretty sure we don't have that cast because

1387
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:09.800
<v Speaker 4>it's probably terrible. But you know, yeah, you would think

1388
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:12.840
<v Speaker 4>that you would notice, right, You would think that something

1389
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 4>this complex, that would require this much work to do,

1390
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:22.920
<v Speaker 4>that someone would notice him. But none of the people

1391
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 4>he worked with, not Wes or Dave or Bill or

1392
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.319
<v Speaker 4>Darr or Greg may or Krantz or any of those people,

1393
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:34.560
<v Speaker 4>ever had anything bad to say about him. It's always

1394
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:38.279
<v Speaker 4>the outsiders, you know, that have something bad to say

1395
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:41.680
<v Speaker 4>about him, or it's always the people that have something

1396
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:45.119
<v Speaker 4>that they're losing, like he's finding all this evidence and

1397
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm not, or he's getting this TV show and I

1398
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:51.279
<v Speaker 4>didn't like. Those are the people that always have something

1399
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:53.039
<v Speaker 4>to say about him. It's not the people that worked

1400
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:56.079
<v Speaker 4>closely with him for almost twenty years. They all loved him.

1401
01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.560
<v Speaker 4>Nobody had anything ever bad to say about him.

1402
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, you mentioned your family, and the one person

1403
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:02.840
<v Speaker 2>we haven't brought up here is your brother Duaane, because

1404
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.319
<v Speaker 2>I've heard skeptics and critics say that that's clearly Duane

1405
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:10.640
<v Speaker 2>in the suit or something like that. What role did

1406
01:10:10.680 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Dwayne have? I mean, I know, he's the one that

1407
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:14.640
<v Speaker 2>took those fantastic photographs that don't get any press at

1408
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.199
<v Speaker 2>all from what nineteen eighty eight I think. But he

1409
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.520
<v Speaker 2>also went out and did investigations with your father. What

1410
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:23.439
<v Speaker 2>sort of role did he have and did he did

1411
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.279
<v Speaker 2>he stick with it or did he walk away from it?

1412
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And why?

1413
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, man, he was my dad's like right hand man

1414
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:31.119
<v Speaker 4>for a long time. Yeah, that hurt my dad actually,

1415
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, no, Dwayne. You know he he's twelve years

1416
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.520
<v Speaker 4>older than me, so he was seventeen, you know when

1417
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:41.079
<v Speaker 4>my dad had his first sighting and already an accomplished hunter,

1418
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:42.720
<v Speaker 4>and he got to go out, you know with my

1419
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:46.399
<v Speaker 4>dad and do researchency tracks and all this stuff. And

1420
01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:48.640
<v Speaker 4>he was with my dad a lot, you know, they

1421
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:52.720
<v Speaker 4>hunted together, they went bigfoot hunting and stuff like that.

1422
01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:55.319
<v Speaker 4>And my brother, you know, he told me, I believe

1423
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:58.279
<v Speaker 4>one time, on one occasion, he actually found tracks when

1424
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:00.279
<v Speaker 4>he was by himself and he was just goofing around

1425
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.239
<v Speaker 4>like out in the mountains, you know, hanging out, and

1426
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:07.680
<v Speaker 4>it scared him because my dad wasn't there, and he

1427
01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:09.319
<v Speaker 4>tied tailed out of there and like went to go

1428
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:11.640
<v Speaker 4>get my dad, you know, because he wasn't sure what

1429
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:13.680
<v Speaker 4>to do. But he played a big role, you know,

1430
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:17.439
<v Speaker 4>in the earlier years of my dad's research, and he

1431
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:20.439
<v Speaker 4>got those pictures in eighty eight, you know, and and

1432
01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:22.520
<v Speaker 4>there was kind of a rift there, and you know,

1433
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:25.439
<v Speaker 4>they're copyrighted to my dad, and my brother never got

1434
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:26.159
<v Speaker 4>credit for him.

1435
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Are they in the new book?

1436
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.840
<v Speaker 4>They are going to be in the book, yep. And

1437
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.159
<v Speaker 4>one of the things that happened was when my brother

1438
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.800
<v Speaker 4>got that the picture, he took two or three pictures

1439
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:38.840
<v Speaker 4>real quick, bom boom boom, and then he took off

1440
01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:40.640
<v Speaker 4>running to go get my dad. And they were about

1441
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.840
<v Speaker 4>two hundred yards apart. They were deer hunting, and my

1442
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.960
<v Speaker 4>dad always said, you know, damn it, Dwayne, if you

1443
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:49.720
<v Speaker 4>had just stay where you were. The bigfoot was headed

1444
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:52.640
<v Speaker 4>directly towards my dad, and when my brother got up

1445
01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:54.680
<v Speaker 4>to run, he spooked it and it changed the direction

1446
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:58.079
<v Speaker 4>that it was going. And it always was one of those,

1447
01:11:58.159 --> 01:11:59.720
<v Speaker 4>you know things that my my dad always said, you know,

1448
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:00.920
<v Speaker 4>damn if you just state.

1449
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Where you were.

1450
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.359
<v Speaker 4>And I think stuff like that kind of got to

1451
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:07.479
<v Speaker 4>him and hurt his feelings a little bit, to be honest,

1452
01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:12.039
<v Speaker 4>And then just the criticism man and the ridicule and

1453
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.319
<v Speaker 4>being like the son of the crazy guy, and you know,

1454
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:17.399
<v Speaker 4>trying to go to high school and trying to hold

1455
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:19.600
<v Speaker 4>a job and having everyone you meet be like, oh,

1456
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:22.520
<v Speaker 4>you're Paul Freeman's son, and you know all this stuff.

1457
01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:28.000
<v Speaker 4>And it was about nineteen ninety actually it was about

1458
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:31.720
<v Speaker 4>two years prior to the deduct footage. And I have

1459
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:34.840
<v Speaker 4>an audio recording of my dad talking about this. Actually,

1460
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:37.399
<v Speaker 4>my brother came to my dad and he said, you know, Dad,

1461
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 4>I just don't want to do it anymore. And if

1462
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:42.319
<v Speaker 4>you need me, I'll still go out with you, but

1463
01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:43.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm just tired of it. I just don't want to

1464
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:46.239
<v Speaker 4>do it. And if you listen to the audio recording, man,

1465
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:49.720
<v Speaker 4>you can just like you can almost like feel the

1466
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:52.279
<v Speaker 4>hurt of my dad's voice when he's like talking about it,

1467
01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:54.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, like it just kind of hurt him a

1468
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:59.359
<v Speaker 4>little bit. But man, my brother, he's a private person.

1469
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:00.159
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1470
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:04.359
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't talk about Bigfoot and he barely talks about

1471
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:07.560
<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot with me. And uh, you know, I I invited

1472
01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Duane to be a part of my book and to

1473
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:12.640
<v Speaker 4>write part of it with me and stuff like that,

1474
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:15.800
<v Speaker 4>and he he opted not to do that. So, uh,

1475
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, I leave him alone, and you know we

1476
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:22.840
<v Speaker 4>see each other, you know, when we can, and you know,

1477
01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.439
<v Speaker 4>that's that's kind of where that relationships at. But I

1478
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:28.560
<v Speaker 4>love my brother and he was really integral helped my

1479
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.760
<v Speaker 4>dad a lot in some of that stuff. But that's

1480
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:33.960
<v Speaker 4>not my brother in a suit. Now I can tell

1481
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:34.319
<v Speaker 4>you that.

1482
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, you know, your dad eventually randed up having some

1483
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty serious health problems and some amputations, even I think

1484
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.640
<v Speaker 2>from diabetes if I remember correctly, Yeah, so so and

1485
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.239
<v Speaker 2>and he died as compl from complications of diabetes. Is

1486
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:48.640
<v Speaker 2>that correct?

1487
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:53.199
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's what they say. Yeah, I mean he died

1488
01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:58.760
<v Speaker 4>of basically massive part failure, you know, brought on by

1489
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:02.079
<v Speaker 4>by diabetes. Yeah, you know, basically a massive heart attack.

1490
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:07.720
<v Speaker 4>My dad broke the arch of his left foot in

1491
01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:13.720
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty two actually jumping out of a truck and

1492
01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:15.640
<v Speaker 4>he was a big guy, and he landed wrong and

1493
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:18.439
<v Speaker 4>he broke it and it never healed correctly, and he

1494
01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:22.399
<v Speaker 4>had multiple surgeries on it, you know, enough to at

1495
01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:26.000
<v Speaker 4>least cover you know, figures on one hand and at

1496
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.920
<v Speaker 4>least five. It just never would take and he linked

1497
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.399
<v Speaker 4>around and you know, by the time he got the

1498
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:33.840
<v Speaker 4>footage in ninety two. He wasn't walking real good, you know,

1499
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.439
<v Speaker 4>and he was forty nine years old and he was

1500
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.079
<v Speaker 4>getting up there, and you know, his health was in

1501
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.600
<v Speaker 4>decline at that at that point in time, but as

1502
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:45.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, he could still move because you were there

1503
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:48.760
<v Speaker 4>at deducted and he was moving quickly when he was

1504
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:52.000
<v Speaker 4>getting that stuff. But you know what ended up happening is, yeah,

1505
01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.000
<v Speaker 4>the diabetes got worse, and his mobility got worse, and

1506
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.119
<v Speaker 4>he had a cane and he started to decline. And

1507
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:00.880
<v Speaker 4>the worst thing that my dad ever did ever in

1508
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:03.600
<v Speaker 4>his entire life was let a doctor talk him into

1509
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:08.640
<v Speaker 4>amputating that foot. It was like a horrible mistake. They

1510
01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.279
<v Speaker 4>told him the pain would be gone, you'll get a prosthetic.

1511
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:14.880
<v Speaker 4>Everything's going to be easier, you know, And that just

1512
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:16.920
<v Speaker 4>wasn't the case because his weight made it hard to

1513
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.800
<v Speaker 4>walk in a prosthetic. And then he gained more weight

1514
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.800
<v Speaker 4>because he got depressed and he wasn't mobile, and then

1515
01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:24.840
<v Speaker 4>he couldn't go to the mountains anymore, and he couldn't

1516
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:28.920
<v Speaker 4>walk around, and he couldn't hunt except for sitting in

1517
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:30.439
<v Speaker 4>his truck on the side of the road. And if

1518
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:32.960
<v Speaker 4>he didn't get something he'd have somebody else come pack

1519
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.199
<v Speaker 4>it out for him. He couldn't even do that anymore,

1520
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:38.640
<v Speaker 4>and he started spending more time in a wheelchair because

1521
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:40.960
<v Speaker 4>he was having problems walking. And you know, by the

1522
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.680
<v Speaker 4>time he died, like we were barely even fishing anymore

1523
01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 4>because we couldn't even get down to the water. And

1524
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:50.920
<v Speaker 4>it's you know, yeah, his decline is rough man. But

1525
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:54.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, there's a whole section in the book. And

1526
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:57.399
<v Speaker 4>to be honest with you, when I when I wrote it,

1527
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:00.600
<v Speaker 4>I wrote it about two o'clock in the I was

1528
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:04.479
<v Speaker 4>trying to sleep and my kids were asleep, and it

1529
01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:06.079
<v Speaker 4>just hit me and I got up and I got

1530
01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:07.439
<v Speaker 4>out of bed and I sat down for the computer

1531
01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:10.479
<v Speaker 4>and I wrote a whole section of the book. It's

1532
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:11.960
<v Speaker 4>going to be the end of the book. And I

1533
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:13.920
<v Speaker 4>cried the whole time I wrote it, the whole time

1534
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:17.880
<v Speaker 4>I typed, and I can't even read it without get

1535
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:20.680
<v Speaker 4>a tear in my eye. So hopefully it has some

1536
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:22.640
<v Speaker 4>kind of effect on someone that reads it. You know,

1537
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:26.079
<v Speaker 4>that's because it's not just Bigfoot. I mean where you know,

1538
01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.840
<v Speaker 4>he's a man, and I want people to realize that

1539
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:31.600
<v Speaker 4>there's a story of a man there.

1540
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:33.840
<v Speaker 2>As well and tell us a little. We're coming to

1541
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:34.880
<v Speaker 2>the end here, so I know you have a heart

1542
01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.920
<v Speaker 2>out here pretty quick here, tell us about the book,

1543
01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and I know it's not out yet, but this will

1544
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.359
<v Speaker 2>probably are in October, I'm guessing, and maybe the book

1545
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:44.439
<v Speaker 2>will be out by non When does it do out?

1546
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.199
<v Speaker 2>And what can we expect to see and read about

1547
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:49.560
<v Speaker 2>and hear and all that stuff in the book? Because

1548
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:51.640
<v Speaker 2>this book is kind of the future, the kind of

1549
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:53.680
<v Speaker 2>book weeks we hope to get in the future. There's

1550
01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of really interesting technology buried into it. So

1551
01:16:57.039 --> 01:16:59.319
<v Speaker 2>tell us about the book as much as you can, please, well,

1552
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:00.479
<v Speaker 2>be out.

1553
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:03.600
<v Speaker 4>I think second half of October is what we're shooting for.

1554
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:06.199
<v Speaker 4>And don't hold me to that because it's already been delayed,

1555
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:09.560
<v Speaker 4>you know a little bit. But it's a monumental project.

1556
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:13.119
<v Speaker 4>And so what we have with the book, you know,

1557
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:17.680
<v Speaker 4>this is not going to be three hundred grainy yellow pages,

1558
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:22.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, of all this scientific talk and pictures you

1559
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:25.199
<v Speaker 4>know of dormal riches. What we're looking at is this

1560
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:30.279
<v Speaker 4>is going to be a full size coffee table style book, hardback,

1561
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:35.720
<v Speaker 4>with full size, glossy colored pictures, and we're going to

1562
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:40.560
<v Speaker 4>have over one hundred, well over one hundred pictures from

1563
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:45.000
<v Speaker 4>my father's personal photo albums and evidence logs, a lot

1564
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:48.199
<v Speaker 4>of pictures that no one's ever seen of prints and

1565
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:51.920
<v Speaker 4>casts and hair samples and pictures of you know, Bigfoot

1566
01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:55.159
<v Speaker 4>and my family and my dad and stuff like that.

1567
01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:00.760
<v Speaker 4>And we're also going to have over an hour of

1568
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:04.319
<v Speaker 4>audio recordings from my dad's personal audio journal that he

1569
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:07.920
<v Speaker 4>did in private that no one's ever heard outside of

1570
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:11.760
<v Speaker 4>well pretty much me, to be honest, and uh, you know,

1571
01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:15.239
<v Speaker 4>the publisher and anyone that I've chosen to share anything

1572
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:17.920
<v Speaker 4>with this and they're going to be in there, and

1573
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:20.640
<v Speaker 4>it's going to be the him telling his own story,

1574
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:23.079
<v Speaker 4>kind of in his own words. And we're also going

1575
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:27.119
<v Speaker 4>to have new enhancements of the d DUP film that

1576
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:29.079
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people haven't seen, you know, or at

1577
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.640
<v Speaker 4>least hadn't seen until last month, when you know, I

1578
01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 4>kind of showed it at a special event. And uh,

1579
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:37.199
<v Speaker 4>we're also going to have some other footage that no

1580
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:40.079
<v Speaker 4>one's ever seen go in this book. And kind of

1581
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:43.439
<v Speaker 4>the cool thing the technology is that the audio and

1582
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:47.920
<v Speaker 4>the video are going to be scannable QR codes, and

1583
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:49.720
<v Speaker 4>so if you're not familiar with that what's going to

1584
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.039
<v Speaker 4>happen is you'll be reading the book and you'll, you know,

1585
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:54.199
<v Speaker 4>let's say you're reading something I wrote and you get

1586
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:57.960
<v Speaker 4>to the section on you know, the d DUX spring footage.

1587
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.319
<v Speaker 4>There's going to be a QR code there and you

1588
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:01.800
<v Speaker 4>just open up the camera on your phone and you

1589
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:03.880
<v Speaker 4>hold your phone over it, and it's just gonna pull

1590
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:05.399
<v Speaker 4>the footage up on your phone for you to watch,

1591
01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:08.560
<v Speaker 4>or it's just gonna pull up an audio clip of

1592
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.239
<v Speaker 4>my dad talking, so you don't have to load a

1593
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:14.000
<v Speaker 4>CD and anything anymore to look at pictures or watch video.

1594
01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:16.279
<v Speaker 4>We're here audio. It's all gonna be writing the pages

1595
01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:20.640
<v Speaker 4>of the book. And I have some tremendous people helping

1596
01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 4>me out with this, and I've got you Cliff, of course,

1597
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.399
<v Speaker 4>you were kind enough to help me. And doctor Jeff

1598
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:30.920
<v Speaker 4>Meldrum as well has written a chapter, Thomas Powell, Jonathan Summerlin,

1599
01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:34.640
<v Speaker 4>Dar Addington who wrote a chapter. Doug Hichek wrote a chapter,

1600
01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:38.239
<v Speaker 4>and I've written a couple you know, chapters as well.

1601
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:41.199
<v Speaker 4>And we're gonna have some fantastic footage, and we're gonna

1602
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:44.800
<v Speaker 4>have some fantastic footage of this baby lift. And we're

1603
01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:47.319
<v Speaker 4>gonna have pictures you've never seen, an audio you've never heard,

1604
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.079
<v Speaker 4>and it may not be the most you know, you know,

1605
01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:52.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm not shooting for the best big Foot book of

1606
01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:55.680
<v Speaker 4>all time, but I'm certainly shooting for the most dynamic

1607
01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:57.960
<v Speaker 4>book on the subject that anyone's ever seen.

1608
01:19:58.560 --> 01:19:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like it.

1609
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.000
<v Speaker 4>I just want I want people to like look at

1610
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:06.279
<v Speaker 4>it and go, man, that's cool, you know, And I

1611
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.119
<v Speaker 4>want them to just look at these pictures of the

1612
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:12.880
<v Speaker 4>evidence and stuff. And you know what really gets to me.

1613
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:14.960
<v Speaker 4>And part of the reason I did this is my

1614
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:18.319
<v Speaker 4>dad made these audio recordings because he was going to

1615
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:20.359
<v Speaker 4>write a book like That's the whole reason. He was

1616
01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:23.000
<v Speaker 4>telling his story on tape. And it's unfortunate because I

1617
01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:24.600
<v Speaker 4>have about six or seven hours of audio and I

1618
01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:27.039
<v Speaker 4>kin use about an out of it because, as you understand,

1619
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.840
<v Speaker 4>we have restrictions on how big things can be, you know,

1620
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:33.279
<v Speaker 4>when you're putting the book together and whatnot. But you know,

1621
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:35.039
<v Speaker 4>my dad died. He never got to he never got

1622
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:37.840
<v Speaker 4>to write a book. And so even though this is

1623
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:43.199
<v Speaker 4>light years beyond I'm sure his you know, biggest possible dreams,

1624
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:45.960
<v Speaker 4>this is my dad's book, and I'm just the one

1625
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.079
<v Speaker 4>that's typing it out, you know, but it belongs to him.

1626
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.119
<v Speaker 4>And hopefully we can help set the record straight on

1627
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:54.319
<v Speaker 4>some of these mysteries and some of these rumors, and

1628
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:57.479
<v Speaker 4>hopefully this can convince some people to really take a

1629
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:01.039
<v Speaker 4>deep dive look at this ether and some of this

1630
01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:06.119
<v Speaker 4>phenomenal evidence that we have that doesn't prove that Bigfoot exists,

1631
01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:09.760
<v Speaker 4>because there's no proof of Bigfoot, but it certainly supports

1632
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:13.279
<v Speaker 4>the theory of the existence of Bigfoot. And we got

1633
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:14.840
<v Speaker 4>some of you know, my dad has some of the

1634
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.479
<v Speaker 4>best evidence that's ever been found, and I just want

1635
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:18.720
<v Speaker 4>to get it out there and show people.

1636
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:21.319
<v Speaker 2>And it is long overdue. I mean, your dad has

1637
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:24.000
<v Speaker 2>been thrown under so many buses, man, he should just

1638
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:28.079
<v Speaker 2>have a bus pass because I mean, it is long overdue.

1639
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:31.520
<v Speaker 2>But I think that your dad would be immensely proud

1640
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>of you. So congratulations on that.

1641
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:37.079
<v Speaker 4>I hope so. And sorry if it sounds like I'm

1642
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:40.600
<v Speaker 4>getting somewhat emotional over here, because I am. But you know,

1643
01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:43.279
<v Speaker 4>I hope my dad is proud. I hope it's something

1644
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:48.399
<v Speaker 4>that he like, would be proud of me doing it.

1645
01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:51.520
<v Speaker 4>And we just get his legacy out there, and you know,

1646
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.720
<v Speaker 4>the present this stuff, and you know, here, here's my thing, man.

1647
01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:56.760
<v Speaker 4>And I'll tell everybody like I am not out to

1648
01:21:56.880 --> 01:22:01.279
<v Speaker 4>change anybody's mind that has an opinion on him, you know,

1649
01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:03.840
<v Speaker 4>in any way that that's not my purpose in life.

1650
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:06.239
<v Speaker 4>But what I want to do is I want to

1651
01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:08.760
<v Speaker 4>challenge people to take a look at the evidence and

1652
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:12.359
<v Speaker 4>draw their own conclusion from that instead of listening to

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01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.600
<v Speaker 4>something that is some bitter old man said thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Michael, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so pleased that this book is coming out. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot wait to get my mits upon this thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to do so much for your

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<v Speaker 2>father's legacy and for the Bigfoot community in general. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a historic event the release of this book. So,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you for spending the last hour plus with us.

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<v Speaker 2>I think our listeners are really going to enjoy this one.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate both you guys, and I appreciate Cliff you

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<v Speaker 4>you know, helping out on the book. And James, it's

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<v Speaker 4>nice to speak with you again. And you know, hopefully

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<v Speaker 4>the listeners had some fun and hopefully learned something today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's set these y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>He's straight on the legacy of Paul Freedhiman and clear

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<v Speaker 5>up this nonsense and give them the do and respect

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<v Speaker 5>and respect and the crazies, do.

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<v Speaker 4>You know I I certainly hope that, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>one of these days he gets the credit that he deserves,

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<v Speaker 4>and the entirety of the Blue Mountain Evidence gets the

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<v Speaker 4>credit that it deserves.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Well, Michael, thank you very much, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will talk to you very soon. I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I'll talk to you guys later.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, So, Bobo, that was a good one that

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<v Speaker 2>it went pretty long. I hope our listeners are cool

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<v Speaker 2>with that. I'm sure they are. But man, what a

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<v Speaker 2>great episode.

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<v Speaker 3>That is. Oh awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I knew he was doing a book, but

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<v Speaker 5>I had no idea it was going to be this

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01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:31.680
<v Speaker 5>like magnus Opus, you know, like it just sounds incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's really going to be something. And I worked

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<v Speaker 2>pretty I mean, my chapter is pretty short. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how everybody else's is. But I made a very

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<v Speaker 2>strong point I think there because what I did is

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<v Speaker 2>I personally I don't want to ruin anything for the readers,

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<v Speaker 2>but I took some of the Paul Freeman evidence and

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01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:49.600
<v Speaker 2>what it showed us about the Sasquatch in general, the

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01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Sasquatch foot in particular. And I brought other examples from

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01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:55.800
<v Speaker 2>other locations and times, and I compared them to those

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01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:59.479
<v Speaker 2>the Freeman data set and showed how the data the

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<v Speaker 2>evidence is congruent. What what Paul's evidence first pointed us

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<v Speaker 2>to is still being found in other places in times

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01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:09.760
<v Speaker 2>throughout North America. And I can't wait to hear what

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff doctor Meldrim is written in there. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>Michael's gonna have a lot of great insight. They even

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<v Speaker 2>got legends like dar Addington. Dar's never done anything in

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01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>the public and Bigfoot, but she is a legitimate legend.

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01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:23.600
<v Speaker 2>She was there with Paul, with David Bean, with all

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01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.439
<v Speaker 2>these people, seeing these tracks in the ground, pulling tracks

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01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>for herself out of like really famous trackways, and she's

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01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:31.760
<v Speaker 2>never got the credit for it. She is just an

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01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.000
<v Speaker 2>angel of a human being. I love her so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I just cannot wait to read get my hands on

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<v Speaker 2>this book.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think everyone heard that episode is think of

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<v Speaker 5>the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Dad, And for our members, man, I'm gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna post some of the

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<v Speaker 2>research we've been doing at the North American Big C

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01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Center here about the Freeman footage. I think i'll post

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<v Speaker 2>some of that. I'll share some of that outside of

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01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:57.039
<v Speaker 2>our NABC membership, because our NABC memberships they've already seen

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01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:59.279
<v Speaker 2>these videos and got a little taste of what we're doing,

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01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot more I haven't shared with them

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01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:02.840
<v Speaker 2>yet either, by the way, but I'll share a little

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01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>bit with a Bigfoot and Beyond folks in the Patreon

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01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:07.039
<v Speaker 2>section as well. So that's a little gift for our

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01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:09.720
<v Speaker 2>members if you want to become a member. Speaking of which,

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01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.159
<v Speaker 2>if you do want to become a member and get

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<v Speaker 2>extra content every single week, thirty forty five minutes or

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01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>more of content every single week from us, it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a gift from God. You can join our membership

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01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:22.600
<v Speaker 2>or a gift from dog. Maybe I'm a little this dyslexic,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you can actually join. Our membership is five

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01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>website and follow the links over there Bigfoot and Beyond

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01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:32.920
<v Speaker 2>podcast dot com. If you go there, you can do

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01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>lots of stuff. You can you can join as a member.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also leave questions or comments. You can leave

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<v Speaker 2>You can dance and wear a funny hat too if

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<v Speaker 2>you want. That's what I do with the website. But anyway,

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01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.399
<v Speaker 2>go there and check it out. And then and you know,

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01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>keep following us, keep enjoying our podcast, give us suggestions.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you want to hear? And thank you very

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01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:54.840
<v Speaker 2>much all for listening. Bobs your turn.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you said it all Clove, I am a little

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01:25:58.079 --> 01:25:58.479
<v Speaker 3>long winded.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, all right, Yeah, folks, thanks for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks Michael Freeman for joining us. And yeah, check out

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01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:08.479
<v Speaker 5>the Patreon. We got some cool stuff we've been doing

1747
01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:11.960
<v Speaker 5>on there, and all right, hit like, hit share, Let

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<v Speaker 5>your friends and family know. Listen to a big Foot

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<v Speaker 5>clipp and bubo and until next week, keep it squatchy.

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