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head of NPR, Katherine Maher, along with the head of
PBS Paula Kerger, appeared at a congressional hearing yesterday. It
did not go very well for Ms mah Katherine Marr, who,
by the way, used to be the head of Wikipedia,
and also I believe she is still a board member
for Signal. Yeah, just just a.
Speaker 3: Happy coincidence there.
Speaker 2: Before the newscast we were going over, we were listening
to some of the audio from Brandon Gill and his
questioning of Catherine Marr where he just basically reads her
own tweets back to her and asks her basically to
defend what she said. When you say, you know Trump
is a deranged racist, Yeah, deranged racist sociopath.
Speaker 3: Do you believe that? And then you know she's like, well.
Speaker 2: No, I was just I don't know what I was
referring to, but I was just reflecting on something. Those
are my thoughts I was as I was reflecting. Again,
that's not she's not doing any deep reflecting.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 2: It's not like she had to take the day off
of work to reflect and then send out the tweet,
which is what she claimed to have done when she
read The Case for Reparations. She said she took a
day off to read the book, and then at the
hearing she said, oh, I didn't read that book.
Speaker 3: I don't recall ever reading that book.
Speaker 2: And then she said the same thing with another book,
that she didn't remember reading another book. Yet she tweets
about having read the book and tweets that when she
said yes reparations, yes right now, and yes the North
has to pay them and whatever, she's like, Oh, I
didn't mean fiscal reparations, because there's some other understanding of
this term. After you read the book The Case for Reparations. No, no, no,
she was simply reflecting, once again on her life of privilege.
So here's the rest of Brandon Gill's cross examination, if
you will, of Catherine Mark.
Speaker 5: Few years ago, NPR educated America about quote the whole
community of gender queer, dinah or enthusiast.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's inappropriate use of tax dollars?
Speaker 4: I was not an MPR at the times.
Speaker 5: That's not the question, though. Do you think that that's
an appropriate use of our tax dollars?
Speaker 4: I think our tax dollars that we use are to
be able to provide a wide range of I'll.
Speaker 1: Take that as a yes, you do believe that that's appropriate.
Speaker 5: Your health advisor at NPR also stated in an interview
that quote fear of fatness is more harmful than actual fat.
Would you like to explain how fear of fatness is
more harmful than actual fat?
Speaker 1: That's directly that's an editorial NPR.
Speaker 4: I am not familiar with the editorial, and I don't
believe that was published during my time here.
Speaker 5: It's called diet culture is everywhere. Here's how to fight it.
Do you think that that's an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars?
Speaker 4: I think any reporting on health is an appropriate use.
You spent dollars, yes.
Speaker 5: And you think that editorializing that fat is not unhealthy
is appropriate.
Speaker 4: I don't know that what that article is sart and
I'm not familiar with it.
Speaker 1: With student said fake news.
Speaker 5: Do you think that basic accommodations like doorways or seat
belt to represent quote.
Speaker 1: Late and fat phobia?
Speaker 4: I don't have an opinion.
Speaker 1: It's also from NPR. Do you think civility is racist?
Speaker 4: No, sir, No.
Speaker 5: Your outlet ran an article entitled quote when civility is
used as a cudgel against people of color?
Speaker 1: That was on All Things Considered.
Speaker 4: Would you like to explain, Well, I'm not on the
editorial side. Sorry, I'm not familiar with that story.
Speaker 5: You talk about how NPR is news this is This
is editorialization, and I'll read it. For many people of
color in the United States, civility isn't so much social
lubricant as it is a vehicle for containing them, preventing
social mobility and preserving the status.
Speaker 1: Quote this is garbage.
Speaker 5: I'll spend all of my time doing everything I can do,
and sure you guys never get another dollar of taxpayer funding.
This is complete garbage.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, See, so impoliteness is the way you fight oppression.
I guess that's the that's the gist of it. Look
all you have to do. Do you want go over
take a listen to some of the programming and you'll
hear it. All of their stories are filtered through the
same prism, even the international stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, let's go to this.
Speaker 2: Report in some country you've never heard of, and you're
gonna hear a story told you the eyes of a
you know, of a a fourteen year old trans person,
Like it's about a civil war in some you know,
foreign country, and this is the filter that you're running
it through. So that's Brandon gil Jim Jordan then took
his turn and we get into some of the money
aspects of it. I'm gonna I'll save that SoundBite for
after the break so we can hear it in its
entirety because he goes back and forth with her and
goes through some of the money, and I'm gonna highlight
this money because it's at the same time you were
being told here that it's a tiny little fraction of
the total funding pie. But if you get rid of
this tiny little fraction, it will critically injure the outlet.
Speaker 3: Right, well, which is it? Which is it?
Speaker 2: Is it critical funding or is it just a tenC
WEENC little piece or is every single dollar critical? Well,
if you listen to their fund drives, they would say, yes,
every single dollar is critical.
Speaker 3: So you guys, just get off of the government funding.
Speaker 2: Just get just stop feeding from the trough. You're gonna
be so much happier. You can do it by the
way you can do it. You can get off of
the government dole and then you'll be able to do
more stuff. You'll be leaner, the organization will be more efficient,
right because you don't have that safety in any longer.
Speaker 3: I'm just think I'm trying to encourage you. Look at
what happened.
Speaker 2: Remember when when Reagan cut the funding forty years ago,
and everybody's like, oh, it's gonna kill NPR And it didn't.
What happened, your donations went up. I started taking in
more money from the donors because now there wasn't Oh
it's okay the governmental fund it. I'm already paying for it.
So I'm not going to make a donation, like you
can do it. I have confidence in you. So here
is the New York Times with the preview before the
hearing that they were preparing for the showdown. Top executives
from the public media networks are bracing for a hearing
on Wednesday organized by Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, PBS is
practicing answers with lawyers, and PR executives are preparing to
monitor the fallout later on New York Times, piece by
Benjamin Mullen says, for more than half a century, Republicans
in Congress have sought to cut back funding for PBS
and NPR, but to no avail. But the threat has
perhaps never been greater. Congressional Republicans this year have introduced
bills that would eliminate funding for public media. Conservatives have
been especially critical of NPR and MS mah.
Speaker 3: Many have seized. There you go, everybody.
Speaker 2: You didn't think that Republicans wouldn't pounce or seize on this,
did you. Of course they're seizing. That's what Republicans do.
So they have seized on an essay written a year
ago by Yuri Berliner, a former senior editor at NPR,
who took aim at perceived left wing bias at NPR.
Speaker 3: It's just a perception. The eighty seven.
Speaker 2: Staffers that work around or worked around Uri Berliner were
all Democrats and zero Republicans.
Speaker 3: That's a problem.
Speaker 2: That is a problem because as I have gone over
this many times, and you know relation to different stories.
When you go to work and you're in the media,
you go to work, you sit in in the morning
meetings and you kick around story ideas. And if all
you have are people on the left in that room
kicking around the story ideas, you have blinded yourself to
stories that are being kicked around by the right. Right,
So you want to have more people in that room,
so you have people who have seen different stories that
are moving on different outlets, or have been reported, or
spend their time doing different things.
Speaker 3: Right. Ms.
Speaker 2: Mahr forty one years old. She's only forty one. I
thought she was much older. But anyway, so you said
that she had met with members of Congress over the
last year to hear their concerns, and that the network
had put in place measures designed to reinforce our commitment
to journalism for all Americans.
Speaker 3: As one who has heard the station in the last year,
it's not working, Ms.
Speaker 1: Mahr.
Speaker 2: Whatever your measures were designed to do, it's not working.
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He engages in a series of questions with the head
of NPR and this is where they get into some
of the discussion of the money.
Speaker 4: The former senior business editor FRIENDPR.
Speaker 6: How long you work at MPR? Hurry?
Speaker 4: I believe he was there just over twenty five years.
Speaker 3: Twenty five years, Gerry Berliner?
Speaker 6: Award winning journalists, did you win any awards? Are time
to Peabody Award? That's pretty important, isn't it? That is
a pretty distinguished journalists right certainly? And I wrote he
wrote a long story about what you do at NPR.
Is MPR biased?
Speaker 4: Congressman, I have never seen any instance of never of
political bias determining editorial decisions.
Speaker 6: Now well, miss here the crowd laughing Berliner in his story.
A couple last year wrote, I've in the DC area
editorial positions at MPR's said he found eighty seven registered Democrats,
zero Republicans.
Speaker 3: Is that accurate?
Speaker 4: We do not track the numbers or the voter registration,
but I find that.
Speaker 6: The ward winning journalists who worked twenty five years at MPR,
mister Berlin or was he lying when he wrote.
Speaker 4: That, I am not presuming such. I just don't have
We don't track that information about our journalist eighty seven
to zero, And you're not biased. I think that is
concerning if those numbers are accurate.
Speaker 3: Why it's concerned.
Speaker 6: I mean, it wasn't forty four or four.
Speaker 2: Wait, why would it be concerning? Why would that be concerning?
You just said that there isn't any bias. You've not
heard any examples in your year at the Helm. You
haven't heard any examples of bias in your journalists. So
why would it be concerning if they're all registered Democrats
and none are Republicans. Right, they're obviously unbiased. That's what
you just said. Their work product is unbiased. But now
she's saying that this is the paradox he's trying to
wrestle with. You can't have this both ways, Ms Mahr,
Just like you can't say it's critical funding but it's
really not a lot of money.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: You cannot take both sides of these questions. This is
a woman also who uh chastised people on social media
for using the phrase boy and girl, which she said
quote erases the language for non binary people. I think
I actually know why she hasn't detected any bias. It's
because a fish doesn't know it's wet, right, That's I
suspect that's what's really going on here.
Speaker 6: Back to Jordan, forty three was in sixty twenty seven,
it was in seventy seventeen. It wasn't even eighty to seven.
It was eighty seven Democrats, zero Republicans. And you say
MPR is not biased. How about the big stories over
the last few years. According to mister Berliner, again he
wrote on the Trump Russia story, he wrote at NPR,
we hitched our wagon to Trump's most visible antagonist's representative,
Adam Shipp. They said the interview him twenty five times.
Speaker 4: That accurate. I was not there at the time, but
those numbers sound accurate.
Speaker 6: Those sound accurate. But then he said, when the Muller
report came out, and they said Mueller said, Robert Mueller
said he found no evidence of collusion, he said, Russia
Gate faded from our programming.
Speaker 4: Is that accurate? Again, I was not there at the time.
I couldn't say.
Speaker 6: You couldn't say you didn't prepare for that. You knew
we were going to ask you about this guy, didn't you.
It's come up like six thousand times already into hearing.
Speaker 4: I just didn't say whether it faded from our coverage.
Speaker 3: How about this story.
Speaker 6: October twenty twenty, New York Post had the Hunter Biden
laptop story, and one of those editors, I guess one
of those eighty seven Democrat editors, said this. We don't
want to waste our time on stories that are not
really stories. We don't want to waste the listeners reader's
times on stories that are just pure distractions.
Speaker 3: Without a pure distraction story.
Speaker 4: Our current editorial leadership believes that that was a mistake,
as do I.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole country knows that was a mistake. Definitely
impacted the election, or I think it certainly impacted the election.
How about the COVID origin story. That's pretty big story too, right,
mister Berliner said, we became fervent members of the team
natural Origin, even declaring that the lab leak was debunked
by scientists. Turns out, though the lab leak is what
most people think actually caused the COVID virus.
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, sir, A question there there is.
Speaker 6: You guys were oh for three on the three, the
three the biggest stories in the last five years. You
guys were oh for three, and yet you maintain that
NPR is not biased.
Speaker 4: Congressman, I do not believe we are politically biased to
know we are a nonpartisan organization.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: She does not believe they're politically biased, they're nonpartisan.
Speaker 3: How can you say that the.
Speaker 2: Proof is in the data that Berliner exposed, your own journalist,
award winning journalist that no longer works for NPR, obviously,
but he documented all of this. And here's the thing
for me, this is the thing that sticks out for me,
is like, the natural question is, wouldn't you have done
an investigation after Berliner brought this stuff to your attention.
Let's assume that you know, you had no idea any
of this was going on after he publishes that piece
a year ago, and now you're getting called before Congress.
Why wouldn't you have looked into it? Why wouldn't you
have done an analysis? If you're actually trying to be
non biased and nonpartisan? All right, If you're listening to
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they do it. Defend or disavow.
Speaker 2: Any Republican does anything, then you stuff a mic in
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Sean. I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Kirk says the only good thing National Propaganda Radio ever
had was the car guys from Boston. Yeah, they were
clicking clack car guys.
Speaker 3: Did you know that?
Speaker 2: They that they would line up those calls. They would
do them like you'd have to submit your thing to them,
and then they would basically research the the issue and
then they would book the phone call with you, so
it's not like a call in show.
Speaker 3: Did you know that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I remember they got and they got busted a while ago.
This was years ago, I want to say, like fifteen
years ago. They got busted for editing, editing the interviews
that they do with people to make like to make
it sound like the person is more well spoken than
they actually were. Yeah, they're like chopping out you know,
ums and.
Speaker 3: Us and all that other stuff.
Speaker 2: They It is a big scandal back in the day,
oh simpler times. This is from Ian, who says, despite
having been adopted by socialists, or perhaps because I grew
up a free marketeer and avid cold warrior, a steady
childhood diet of Uncle Walter, PBS and NPR made me
think Republicans were me. In the nineteen eighty Republican primaries,
I was for Bush forty one because he said he
was for less government and lower taxes. Ha I hated
Reagan because of PBS and NPR and the Twin Cities
CBS affiliates successfully tied support for him to support for
the Peterson brothers, twin redheaded pastors who said rock and
roll was demonic and held frenzied youth rallies where they
burned pyres of rock records. Reagan won me over at
Raykovic and Rush lifted the proverbial veil good health and
God bless. That's from Ian. Let's talk about the money.
Here's a message. It's a Pete tweet from Eric, who
says NPR launders their government money through their affiliates, so
the national organization doesn't count the government grant being washed
through some university radio station as government funding when it
gets to NPR, right, the affiliates pay NPR. Did you
know that they pay NPR for the programs. In commercial radio,
it's a different model. A lot of the nationally syndicated
programs are offered for free, but they sell the ads
and and the locals will get to like your you
take it like Rush Limb, Well Rush was Rush got
paid Okay, he was the only one basically under that model.
But a lot of these nationally syndicated programs they are
provided for free. That's why you have so many of
the talk stations that carry them. And so they get
they'll they'll offer the show for free, the content for
free as long as they air the ads, and then
they will sell their ads the national spots and the
locals will be able to get good ratings because it's
a national program that has a large following and they
can sell spots. That's the model. And in NPR our Land,
they pay the NPR fees like that's yeah anyway. So
NPR claims that only one percent of its roughly three
hundred million dollar yearly budget comes from the Corporation for
Public Broadcasting.
Speaker 3: That's what it claims. The CPB only.
Speaker 2: One percent, right, And this is sort of the paradox
there that it's critical funding, but it's not really that much.
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting is the government supported organization
that has backed public radio and PBS since it was
created in nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 3: The CPB is funded at.
Speaker 2: Five hundred thirty five million dollars a year. Five hundred
and thirty five million dollars a year the financial support.
This is according to The New York Times, While the
financial support for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting gives to
NPR and PBS, it is relatively small, about one percent
of NPR's budget and fifteen percent of PBS's. It provides
a larger proportion of funding for some of their smaller stations.
Then there's this from Warner Todd Houston over at the
Western Journal Western Journal dot com. This was from twenty
twenty three, and he broke down the numbers.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: One percent of the annual budget for NPR comes from
the CPB. Right, That's what NPR has always been saying.
That's what it says on its website. However, according to
its own numbers, the broadcaster gets a lot more from
government sources than that one percent. For fiscal year twenty twenty,
for example, the broadcaster's affiliate stations received eight percent of
their revenue from federal appropriations through the CPB. They also
got ten percent from colleges and universities. As Eric mentioned
in the tweet, right, they got ten percent from colleges
and universities, which themselves are publicly funded. They then get
another five percent from federal, state, and local governments. So
that's a grand total of twenty three percent, not one percent,
twenty three percent. Might this be the reason why it's
critical funding and PBS gets even more from government or
government affiliated sources. On its website, the TV broadcaster says
it gets fifteen percent of its revenue from the federal government,
along with thirteen percent from state governments, three percent from
local governments, and eight percent from universities. So that is
a total of thirty nine percent. These outlets pay more.
They have nice studios, they have they do like I've
been in I've been in various publicly funded radio stations,
TV stations and such, and they are they're pretty nice.
They're pretty nice. If you saw the working conditions of
the radio stations that are commercial, it would astound you.
Some of these places I have seen are no better
than a well. I mean, heck, the one up in
the government building up in Raleigh was literally a closet.
That's where they stuffed the radio guy. Right, that's that's
sort of par for the course. Okay, it's like, you guys,
you have no idea.
Speaker 3: In NPR land.
Speaker 2: You guys have no idea what the other side of
the street looks like. I really, I really can't imagine
that you would be making some of these arguments that
you're making. Oh, it's only one percent, you know how
many commercial broadcasters would love an extra one percent alone.
What the actual figure is, which is probably about twenty
three percent, say maybe anywhere from twenty to twenty five percent.
That's what's actually funded through taxpayer funds. And as one
who pays those funds, I object, you are my competition.
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if NPR disappears, please at least consider doing an entire
show at least once a month in your NPR voice.
Speaker 3: I might be able to swing that. I think I
might be able to swing that.
Speaker 2: David Strom over at hotair dot com he had a great,
very lengthy piece on Catherine Marr and NPR and it
was and he talked a little bit about Bill Maher
because he says, one Mar is becoming red pilled, another
is a red. So the tale of two Mars Bill Maher,
who is like slowly becoming like red.
Speaker 3: Do you hear that?
Speaker 2: Bill Maher is going to interview Donald Trump for his
like podcast or show or something. And Bill Maher is like, like,
good for him, good on Trump. Like Bill Maher has
been very critical of Donald Trump. So but Bill Maher
has been calling out the excesses of the moonbat brigade
inside the Democrat Party and that has gotten him a
lot of grief. He's not a conservative, but it's gotten
him a lot of grief from the left. So David Strom,
he says, regarding NPR and that mar Catherine Mark, he says,
like people understood, and he always underst to, yes, like
NPR is biased, but you used to be able to
listen to the news reports to find out what's going on,
right understanding, he said. Their bias was more in the
category of Fox News. They were decidedly left, but not
filled with outright lies. And because NPR swam in money
to an extent that no other news outlet could possibly
dream of, they often had the best talent in the
business working for them. At the very least. Their talent
had amazingly soothing voices and would surely have degrees from
the very best schools. They could be infuriatingly biased, but
they weren't stupid or resource constrained. However much they pled
poverty during their pledge drives, but sometime around the Obama
era they went from liberal to Pravda and you never
go full Pravda. And during the Trump administration they became
the home of highbrow MSNBC style propaganda. So it is
no surprise that somebody with the pedigree of Catherine Marr
rose to the top at NPR. So I mentioned earlier
that she was a former CEO and executive director director
of the Wikimedia Foundation. So this is the foundation that
runs Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: She has also been the chief executive of the Oh sorry,
She's a chair of the board at Signal, the app
that everybody's talking about now because Jeffrey Goldberg got into
the chat right. She's also a member of the Council
on Foreign Relations. She worked for UNISEEF, the National Democratic Institute,
the World Bank Access Now. She subsequently joined the Atlantic Council,
as well as the US Department of State's Foreign Affairs
Policy Board. She grew up in Wilton, Connecticut. She attended
Wilton High School. Her father, Gordon Roberts Mar, worked in
finance in New York City. Her mother, c C. Marr,
is a former nonprofit executive who was elected to the
Connecticut State Senate in twenty twenty two. After high school,
Mar graduated from the Arabic Language Institute's Arabic Language Intensive
Program of the American University in Cairo. She called it
a formative experience that developed her interest in the Middle East.
Mar also studied at the Institute Francis de Tu des
Arabees de Damas. It's in Syria and she spends time
in Lebanon as well as Tunisia. She got a bachelor's
degree from NYU in Middle Eastern and Islamic studies. David
Strom says, look at that resume. It is so perfect,
at least perfect for somebody aspiring to become an executive
at the World Economic Forum or CEO at National Public Radio,
which in many ways is the propaganda arm of the
World Economic Forum.
Speaker 3: So it does make sense. It does track.
Speaker 2: NPR has been married to the Democrat Party for decades,
but its alliance with that party is more transactional than
you might think.
Speaker 3: He says.
Speaker 2: Its fealty is to a higher ideal, and that is
technocratic rule, more in line with the European Union model
of politics than anything remotely as messy as American democracy.
It was Marxist before Marxism was cool in the Democrat Party.
Remember NPR called out by Jim Jordan for blowing the
three biggest stories of the last half decade, the Russia
collusion hoax, the COVID origin lab leak story right, and
the Hunter Biden laptop. They not only you know minimize these.
They in the case of the Hunter Biden story, they
flat out refused to cover it. They called it a distraction.
They said it wasn't it wasn't true. The lablique theory
was dismissed, although now it seems like everybody's coming around
to that right. But they ally, the mistakes are always
made in one direction. Notice I'm sure Catherine Marr really
does believe that NPR is not a part as a
news outlet. Its values and goals transcend anything as grubby
as controlling the politics of any one country. Watching mar
testify before Congress is something of a roar shock test.
NPR listeners probably hear something akin to a pack of
howling wolves chasing a damsel in distress. She's an innocent
young woman being hounded by grubby, smelly predators who can't
appreciate her value and beauty. But people like me see
a smug cultural Marxist who lives off the taxpayer dime,
looks down on all of us, and is offended by
the idea that she has to justify the excessive generosity
of the public to her corrupt and damaging organization.
Speaker 3: This is why I said she is awful.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well and awful awfl affluent white female liberal,
and she is exactly what's wrong with the Democrat Party
and that makes her perfect to be the head of NPR.
I don't think they're going to be able to course correct.
I don't, and I don't think that they need to.
Speaker 3: But they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't need my money. They shouldn't get it right,
do whatever you want to do, but I'm going to
keep my money and Congress should make sure that that happens.
Speaker 3: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you
so much for listening.
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