1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: This is John Leland from Green Braay, California, and I 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,720 play often at Foxtail North in Rohnert Park, at Peacock 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,839 Gap in San Rafel, at Rooster Run in Petaluma. And 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,679 Welcome to Golf Smarter. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,359 Speaker 3: Number four hundred and eighty published on March seventeen, twenty fifteen. 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 4: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 8 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:29,120 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:35,159 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,039 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,679 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: It's not cheap to play golf in Hawaii. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 5: It's probably one of the more expensive places to play. 15 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: Even in Hawaii. 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,159 Speaker 5: There are still golf courses here that charge different rates 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,240 for different nationalities. If you can believe that the US 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,079 citizens would pay one rate, and in the Japanese citizens 19 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:05,400 that would be coming over to play would pay a 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,079 higher rate than the mainland visitors that would be here playing. 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,079 For instance, I know of a golf course on Oahu 22 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:17,319 that the visitor rate for mainland visitors is two hundred 23 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:20,760 and twenty five dollars, and the visitor rate for eighteen 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,959 holes for Japanese citizens is two hundred and seventy five dollars. 25 00:01:24,599 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: Racial profiling and golf absolutely here in Hawaii. Oh, did 26 00:01:28,159 --> 00:01:31,439 we just break a huge story here? It's not illegal 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:40,439 in this country. A golf history of Hawaii and a 28 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:43,959 de tour of Maui's Pukolani Country Club with general manager 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Ron Huffman. 30 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: This is Golf Smarter Premium. 31 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,359 Speaker 3: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Ron. 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Hey, Fred, how are you excellent? Thank you? 33 00:01:56,439 --> 00:01:59,439 Speaker 3: Well, of course you're excellent. You live in Hawaii. 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: You live in what a beautiful place. Fred, Oh my gosh. 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: Tell me how long you've been here, how you got here? 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,080 And we'll get into your golf course too. 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,759 Speaker 5: Well, Fred, my story is like a lot of other 38 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:12,879 people that live in Hawaii. 39 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: I guess. 40 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety six, my wife and I traveled to 41 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:24,159 Hawaii and on our way back on the plane, we 42 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:27,759 both made a commitment that we turned in our resignations 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,599 and gave it six months. We had six months of 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,159 savings at the time, and we said we'll make it 45 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:35,800 stretch as. 46 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: Far as we can. 47 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 5: And believe it or not, the first week that we 48 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:42,120 came out here, I was working. 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,719 Speaker 1: So that's how we moved here. 50 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: And you you were working in golf before you left. 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 5: Where were you before you were It was in Dallas 52 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:52,080 Fort Worth here a Dallas, Texas working for a golf 53 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,039 management company. I managed to golf courses in Texas at 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,400 the time. 55 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So you came out here looking for golf work. 56 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,199 Speaker 5: Came out here looking for golf work. There's no better 57 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,639 place in the world golf three hundred and sixty five 58 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:04,520 days out of the year. 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, not three hundred and sixty four maybe today 60 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,360 as we're doing this interview. I played two rounds yesterday 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,080 on the course and loved and we'll talk about that. 62 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,080 But today it's kind of gray and wet outside. 63 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 5: Well, Fred, I still can't wait to hear your story 64 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,680 because you told me a couple of days ago that 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,479 Wednesday is going to rain. Yeah, and I thought to myself, well, 66 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:31,039 it's got a chance of raining, probably, Fred, you're one 67 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:31,759 hundred percent. 68 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:36,159 Speaker 3: Well there's an app for that, you know that, right? 69 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 5: Well, why, weather sometimes difficult to forecast, but you hit 70 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:42,240 it on the head today. 71 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,039 Speaker 3: Well that's really fun. Actually, the reason is because the 72 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:47,560 buddy I'm staying with who lives here, his brother is 73 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:51,919 a professional meteorologist, and so he always is right on 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 top of it. He goes, oh, and this morning he's 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,039 pulling out maps, going to see the front. It's right here, 76 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:59,280 it's gonna bomb us let's say about ten o'clock on 77 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:02,800 And it's like, okay, great, So yeah, it wasn't that 78 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:03,680 hard to figure out it. 79 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: So this wasn't your skill that you brought in to it. 80 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: No, No, it was an app. It literally was the 81 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:11,759 weather app saying there's an eighty percent chance of right. 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately for our players, you were right. 83 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well you know you still got people out there today. 84 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: We do have some diehards, Yes, yeah you do. 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: You got some, and it's but they look like locals. 86 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,639 They don't the guys that I saw on the course. 87 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,439 Speaker 5: Well, we we have a few locals out there. And 88 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,160 we also have some Seattle citizens out there right now, 89 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:34,079 yes Canadians. 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that are used to this. 91 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 3: And they love it. This is easy for them, right. Problem, 92 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:47,319 what's the big deal? So let's let's talk about it. Okay, 93 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:49,399 we are at the puk. We never even mentioned this. 94 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,639 We're at the Pukalani Country Club here on Maui. Give 95 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,279 me a geographic position to explained to where on Maui, 96 00:04:57,519 --> 00:04:58,759 where we are? Where you know? 97 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: Well, we're right basically in the center of Mali. There 98 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,639 is the world's largest dormant volcano, which people are not 99 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:12,120 aware of, is right here on Mali. It's Holly Akala, 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,680 the House of the Rising Sun is what Holli Akola 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:22,319 means in Hawaiian and Pukolani means entrance to heaven, which 102 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:24,680 is very neat in the Hawaiian language. 103 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: We are at twelve hundred feet. 104 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:28,199 Speaker 3: Is that a positive thing, entrance to heaven or does 105 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,120 that mean dead? 106 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,639 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's a positive thing most of the time. Yeah, 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,480 it's the beauty of heaven. So we're at twelve hundred 108 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,040 feet above sea level. We're located. There's one main main 109 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,800 airport here on Mali, that's the Kahlui Airport. We're located 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,879 ten minutes from the airport. Very convenient. So please send 111 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,519 everybody our direction free. 112 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:57,879 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we'll do my bed. This is not the heavy 113 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,319 tourist area of Mali. 114 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:00,399 Speaker 1: It is not. 115 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 5: This area of Malai is known as the upcountry, which 116 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,800 is very different. A lot of Pontiolas, which is Hawaiian 117 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,759 cowboys up in this area. We have the one of 118 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,240 the only rodeos in Hawaii. We here for our July 119 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:24,600 fourth celebration. So people up country are different than the 120 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,319 people that live down in the resorts. 121 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,199 Speaker 1: They're more down home. 122 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,399 Speaker 5: Got really the spirit of aloha up here, which is 123 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:40,480 really neat. The spirit aloha is not actually just a word. 124 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,639 It means the spirit of how people treat each other. 125 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,959 And we believe that the spirit of aloha is live 126 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:52,360 and bustling here up country on Malai. 127 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,319 Speaker 3: Oh that's beautiful. That's beautiful. I got to believe that 128 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,680 the culture, the spirit of Hawaii. The culture here is 129 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,959 a little bit different than Dallas Fort Worth. 130 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: It is much different than Dallas Fort Worth. 131 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,439 Speaker 3: Yes, you must have gone into culture. 132 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,399 Speaker 5: I went into culture shock big time when I moved here. 133 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,199 In cowboys, different kind of cowboys exactly. In ninety six, 134 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,680 when I moved here, I started work as they had 135 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,480 golf professional at Turtle Bay on Oahu, which has hosted 136 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:30,079 PGA Tour events, LPGA Tour events, beautiful thirty six hole layout. 137 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:34,319 But when I moved here, Turtle Bay is on a 138 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:37,680 corner of a Wahoo that is not very close to Honolulu. 139 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,519 So all of the employees at the golf course were local, 140 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,480 you know, I mean local. They have different ways of 141 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:53,639 doing things, they have different ways of talking, you know, 142 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,800 they talk about grinds for food. And it took me 143 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:03,120 a few months before I actually understood what was going on, 144 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,600 but I did eventually end up catching on. And there's 145 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:10,959 a totally different dialect for the local Hawaiian people here 146 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:11,600 have you. 147 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: Had I've noticed over coming to Hawaii for thirty some 148 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:21,360 odd years. And I'm not accusing any specific person of anything, 149 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:25,240 but there just feels like the Howleyes Holles are like, 150 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,160 you're not a native Hawaiian. No, you were not, And 151 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:33,360 there's an attitude towards Howley's. So when you come to 152 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,879 work for a place that you come from, you know, 153 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:41,879 Texas is like Hawaii, it's a country, it's just a 154 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:47,279 different country. And you come in having done this work before. 155 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,759 But you come and working with a lot of locals. 156 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,679 How do you warm yourself up to them? How do 157 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:54,720 you get them to buy into your program? 158 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,279 Speaker 5: It's quite a challenge, and they don't buy into your programs. 159 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,080 To tell you the truth until it takes some time. 160 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:07,000 Just like with a lot of different areas of our 161 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:08,879 world that we live. 162 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: In, it takes some time to win over their trust. 163 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,279 It does. 164 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 5: But once you get that trust, I have found that 165 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,080 the Hawaiian people are great people to live with. They 166 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:21,639 really are. 167 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful, it's a beautiful it really is beautiful country, 168 00:09:27,159 --> 00:09:28,639 and it's a great culture. 169 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: It is very deep in culture. 170 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,919 Speaker 5: Back in nineteen fifty nine, when Hawaii became a state, 171 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,840 there was some of the local people still believe that 172 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:42,799 the Allies, which are the white people that are invading 173 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:49,799 their territory or their country here in Hawaii, they were 174 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:53,759 part of the army that kept the local Hawaiian people 175 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,080 from voting and actually kept them out of the voting 176 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,200 hall so they could not determine if Hawaii would come 177 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,759 a state or not. So they have resentment to Halley's 178 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,080 or white people, because that is the belief that some 179 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,399 Hawaiians still to this day believe that the white people 180 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,279 wanted Hawaii to become a state, but the local people 181 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:29,000 wanted Hawaii to stay a completely different territory. 182 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: When was golf introduced to Hawaii, do you have any 183 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:33,480 sense of that. 184 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: Actually, I do know a little bit about the history. 185 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:44,480 Back in eighteen ninety the first golf course that was 186 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:50,919 built west of the Mississippi was actually on Oahu. Mauna 187 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,240 Lua Golf Club was the first golf course west that 188 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,080 was built west of the Mississippi. 189 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: Okay, I've heard that said about a couple of different courts. 190 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 6: Is that's interesting that that is the the history of 191 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:09,279 Hawaiian golf, and that's what Hawaiians believe, So everybody has 192 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,200 different parts of But it wasn't. 193 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,759 Speaker 3: It wasn't really. I can't imagine that it was adopted 194 00:11:15,879 --> 00:11:20,639 by by the native Hawaiians. Probably the whites that were here. 195 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 5: The whites exactly were the privilege, were the ones that 196 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,639 brought the game of golf here exactly, and the locals 197 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,840 basically were just caddies. Yeah, And even back in the 198 00:11:32,919 --> 00:11:38,639 early nineties when we had the Hawaiian Open, the United 199 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:42,159 Airlines Hawaiian Open that was hosted at Wailai Country Club, 200 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:47,200 all the caddies were barefooted and that came from the 201 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:51,879 local Hawaiians that always when they caddied, they were always barefoot. 202 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 3: So I can see why I've had before. I love 203 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,840 playing there there was a lot of it. But so 204 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Hawaii's golf is still pretty much catering to you know, 205 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,879 the big courses that you know about, they're catering to 206 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,879 the white privileged class exactly. But now you have Japanese 207 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:17,559 privilege cla. I mean, it's not cheap to play golf 208 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:18,480 in Hawaii. 209 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. 210 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 5: It's probably one of the more expensive places to play. 211 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:27,720 And even in Hawaii there are still golf courses here 212 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:36,840 that that charge different rates for different nationalities. If you 213 00:12:36,879 --> 00:12:40,360 can believe that the US citizens would pay one rate 214 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,159 and the Japanese citizens that would be coming over to 215 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,960 play would pay a higher rate than the mainland visitors 216 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,480 that would be here playing. And for instance, I know 217 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,639 of a golf course on Oahu that the visitor rate 218 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,759 for mainland visitors is two hundred and twenty five dollars 219 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,840 and the visitor rate for eighteen holes for Japanese citizens 220 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:08,639 is two hundred and seventy five dollars. 221 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: So racial profiling and golf absolutely here in Hawaii. Did 222 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,559 we just break a huge story here? It's not illegal 223 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:17,840 in this. 224 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 5: Country, So yes, it does happen. Still, wow, and you 225 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:26,399 see it's. 226 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Not really right. 227 00:13:27,639 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 5: I don't believe it to be a fair practice, just 228 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,960 due to the fact that you're discouraging the Japanese visitors 229 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,799 from coming over and enjoying our golf courses. Whereas the 230 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:45,440 mainland visitors, the tourists which we have, they're the number 231 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,039 one industry in Hawaii. And if you work here in 232 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,919 Hawaii you understand that, you really do. But again, I 233 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,120 don't agree with the profiling that happens between the Japanese citys. 234 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: Vitality is the industry of it is of Hawaiian. 235 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: It is very much is. 236 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 5: Tourism is by far the number one economic driver here 237 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:09,600 in the state. 238 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: Let's talk about we are going to get into golf. 239 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,080 I promise and definitely get into pukalan I know you're like, 240 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,919 why am I talking about history. I want to talk 241 00:14:19,919 --> 00:14:25,200 about my golf course. But let's let's talk about the 242 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,279 competition first. Yes, okay, Let's talk about some of the 243 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,240 more well known golf courses on the island that people 244 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,080 would have heard of them like, oh, yeah, I've been there, 245 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,919 I want I've always wanted to go the type of thing, 246 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,279 and then we'll work our way down to why Pukalani 247 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,080 is so special and excellent. 248 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:42,879 Speaker 1: Let to talk about. 249 00:14:42,919 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: You know, Coppola is probably the most popular golf course 250 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:49,919 here on Mali, just due to the fact that they've 251 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,200 got They used to have fifty four holes. Now there's 252 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,200 only thirty six holes open, okay, but they still host 253 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:00,519 the Tournament of Champions, which is held everyd January. 254 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: It's the first. 255 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,159 Speaker 5: Tournament for the PGA Tour of the year and it's 256 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,000 just open to the winners of last year's PGA Tour 257 00:15:12,039 --> 00:15:15,519 golf tournaments. So it's quite a star studded field, just 258 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:20,799 like the Masters. And of course when you turn it 259 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,000 on TV, you see the beautiful golf courses of Coappoloa 260 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:29,120 and it's it's probably by far the most popular. You've 261 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,799 got kind of Polly which is on the west side 262 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:35,960 of the island. It used to hold the Skins games 263 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:40,639 as well as why Leah are great golf courses, fifty 264 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:43,480 four holes at Wye Leah. But then you've got the 265 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,440 golf courses like Puokalani which you're on the golf course 266 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,440 also which you're not resort type golf courses. 267 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: Puokolani is. 268 00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:56,519 Speaker 5: The upcountry golf course that a lot of the locals 269 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,679 like to come play. We do get some tour coming 270 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:02,960 out here to play from the resort areas. They drive 271 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:08,720 from the resort areas, but mainly Pukolani is a diamond 272 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,240 in the rough, I think is a great way to 273 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:11,720 put it. 274 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,039 Speaker 1: It's not on the beaten path. 275 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But so you said, we're in the upcountry 276 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:21,399 on the northern side of the island where most of 277 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,519 the tourist stuff is happening on the southern side. 278 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 5: Mainly on the southern side or the western side. Yes, 279 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,320 the western side is Coppolua in Conopoli, the southern side 280 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:35,679 is Wailea, And all of the islands have a nickname 281 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:40,159 that the locals call them in and Mali is the 282 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Valley Isle, just due to the fact that there is 283 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,679 a valley running right through the middle of the island 284 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,039 and Haleakalach is on one side of the island, which 285 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,519 is which is the side we're on, and then the 286 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:55,840 West Malai Mountains is on the other side of the island. 287 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,080 There's a big valley down in between the two, so 288 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:02,720 we're known as the Valley and actually geographically we're pretty 289 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,480 close to the very center of the island. 290 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 3: Well, you've got some remarkable views of that valley on 291 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:09,960 the golf course. 292 00:17:09,759 --> 00:17:10,599 Speaker 1: Right, well, you do. 293 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,039 Speaker 5: At twelve hundred feet you can see the Pacific Ocean 294 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:16,880 on both sides of the island, which is probably the 295 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,599 only golf course that you can have these type of 296 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,559 views at when you play golf on valley. 297 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you start, whether you're starting on 298 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,920 one or ten, you're looking down towards the Western mountains. 299 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 5: Right, looking down towards the Western mountains, and then you've 300 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,160 got the ocean on your right and the ocean on 301 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:33,640 your left. 302 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:34,759 Speaker 1: So it's beautiful. 303 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:37,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's breathtaking. And if you have clear skies, there's 304 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:40,079 still going to be a layer of clouds that are 305 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:45,200 hugging the mountain side. It seems like absolutely beautiful. Yes, 306 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,240 they still pop over the mountains, still pop over the 307 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:47,720 top of the cloud. 308 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: We're very fortunate. Maybe we can talk you in a 309 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:50,720 stand a little bit longer, Fred. 310 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still looking at it's still gray outs. The 311 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,000 only reason I'd stay is to go watch the big 312 00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:00,880 waves and surfers crash. I think my wife would like 313 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,119 she was generous enough to let me come here without her. 314 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 5: Please, thank you multiple times, run multiple times. 315 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: So uh I played another course, Maui Nui. Yes, okay, 316 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,440 And that's another locals type of course it is, it 317 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,559 felt more like, to be honest with you, I mean, 318 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:31,519 I didn't I'm not gonna you know, rag on that 319 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:36,160 course I played, but that felt more like a muni 320 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,160 and this feel, this has more of a resort feel 321 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:43,400 to it. This course. I don't know if it's the 322 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:49,000 maturity of the trees or the views, or even the 323 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:54,599 condition of the course, which is in great shape, but this, 324 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:58,720 this place definitely had more of a resort feel than 325 00:18:58,759 --> 00:19:06,799 that course did. Although I play paying uni rates, it 326 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,279 felt like, I mean, I was just so pleased to 327 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,920 not have to succumb to the real high prices of 328 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,319 some of the resort courses. 329 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,079 Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's there's three or four courses here on Mali, 330 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,279 including ourselves in Mali Nui, which you were just mentioning 331 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,799 that you don't have to pay an arm and a 332 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,920 leg to play the resort courses or upwards of two 333 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:35,440 hundred usually and more and more, and you can. 334 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: Come plays if you're Japanese. 335 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:43,079 Speaker 5: True, we won't name any names, but in our course 336 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,359 you can come out and play with a golf. 337 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: Cart four hundred, one hundred dollars. 338 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, there's some courses now on the 339 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,880 mainland that are charging about the same rates that are 340 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,559 probably in similar condition, you know. So we feel very fortunate. 341 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,920 The tree are very mature here, the whole course is 342 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,400 very mature. It opened in nineteen eighty and we feel 343 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,240 very fortunate to be a part of this great golf 344 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:10,640 experience here on mald. 345 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:19,559 Speaker 3: I live in northern California, just north of San Francisco, 346 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,039 and if we pay less than seventy dollars for a 347 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,960 round of golf on a weekend, we'll talk more about 348 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,119 that than our score, you know. I mean it's like 349 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,920 I only paid sixty five bucks a day. 350 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: Wow, you know they're few and far between now. 351 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I shot at sixty, but you know it's not important. 352 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 5: There was a course record, but you know you got 353 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:46,319 to pay for sixty five bucks, I mean, yeah, So 354 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,960 I guess the goal on the mainland now is to 355 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,000 shoot lower than the green fee that you paid. 356 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,839 Speaker 3: Not your age, not anymore. So Yeah, that to me 357 00:20:57,279 --> 00:20:59,880 is such a bonus to be able to know about 358 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,480 courses when you're traveling. Sure, you know you'll you'll kind 359 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,720 of set aside if you get the opportunity to play 360 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:10,440 multiple rounds while you're on vacation. And this is why 361 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,880 my wife didn't come, so that I could play multiple 362 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,839 rounds where I was here. But when you do get 363 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:20,839 to pay what felt like a reasonable rate, you know, 364 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:23,799 expect to pay you know, one round at least where 365 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:26,039 you're going to just go go for it, you know, 366 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:29,160 and pay the big price. Maybe, But to be able 367 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,759 to play on a course like this is it's not 368 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:34,160 just a diamond and rough, it's it's a pearl in 369 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,759 the you know, I mean, it's finding something very special 370 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:38,839 in the treasure box here. 371 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:39,839 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Fred. 372 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 5: We we we love our course here and we feel 373 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,160 very fortunate to be a part of it. 374 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the course now, let's get some details. 375 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:51,240 So now that we've got people intrigued about the idea 376 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,160 of actually coming here, let's talk about the course and 377 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,359 some of the holes, how to play them, and why 378 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,359 this course is so special. But I want to start 379 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,200 with the the golf course architect. Who it is. 380 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 5: Bob Baldock is our golf course architect. He designed roughly 381 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:15,880 two hundred courses in his career. Three of them actually 382 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,480 are in Hawaii, and ours one on Kawai as well. 383 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,880 As One on Oahu. Do you know yes, Millie Lani 384 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,839 on Oahu and Kiahuna on Kawaii are the other two 385 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,880 courses that he designed here in Hawaii. 386 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:31,799 Speaker 1: Uh. 387 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 5: He's His characteristics that he uses in his course designs 388 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:43,640 are not extremely deep bumper bunkers, but deep buckers that 389 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:50,680 start at the green high and are playable. They don't 390 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,519 have a lot of different tongues or anything moving through 391 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:58,960 the bucker. They're they're pretty wide open bunkers. And what 392 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,720 Bob has has really translated to the golfers is a 393 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,559 very friendly type golf course. We don't have fairway bokers 394 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:13,119 here at Pookolani Country Club, which very generous fairways, very fairway. 395 00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:15,680 You can stretch it out and play from almost seven 396 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 thousand yards from the back tees which is quite a 397 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:24,400 test or from our forward tees it's close to six 398 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,079 thousand yards and very playable for the higher handicaps that 399 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:31,519 just want to get out and say they hey, I 400 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:35,359 played a round of golf in Hawaii, which is really 401 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,160 a neat thing for a lot of our tourists that 402 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,720 come out and play well. 403 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:40,839 Speaker 3: And you're rating slope is not that high. I mean 404 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,039 your back teas at a one to twenty seven slope 405 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:50,079 is not you know, it is great for travel golf, right, 406 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,079 because you want to leave a golf course going that 407 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,480 was fun? It didn't you know you hate leaving going Wow? 408 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,400 The course just really beat me up today. I played terribly. Well, 409 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,680 it wasn't so much that you play terribly, is that 410 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,799 the course beat you up? 411 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:03,759 Speaker 2: Right? 412 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: You know. 413 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,759 Speaker 5: I have the course where the where the Tournament of 414 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:12,440 Champions is hosted, which is the Plantation Course at at Coppoloa. 415 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,920 I very rarely like to go play that course just 416 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,920 due to the fact that when I walk off the course, 417 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,160 I feel like I've been through World War three. It 418 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,559 I walk off the course and I feel like, well, 419 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,240 I just really got beat up when I played that 420 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:27,799 golf course. 421 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: And at Pookolani you will not experience that. 422 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 5: You'll you'll walk off the course and you'll say, wow, 423 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,400 what a great time. 424 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 3: Well, when I walked off the course, I said, can 425 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,200 I play again? I mean literally That's how I felt after. 426 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,119 It was like I enjoyed that so much, I really 427 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,039 can I just go one more time? And you were 428 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,519 very gracious about letting me do that. 429 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 5: Well, Well, thank you Fred for coming out and playing 430 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,240 to start out with. And I hope you had it 431 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:58,160 as enjoyable around as you told me you did, and 432 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,599 h hopefully your listeners will stop buying give us a 433 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,680 chance also. 434 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: Well, please, if you do get the chance to come 435 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,720 out here and and meet with Ron and play at Pookolani, 436 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:13,759 let him know that you heard about it on Golf Smarter. 437 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,880 Ron would love to know that. I would love to 438 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:20,680 know that, absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, And I know that I've 439 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,279 got a couple listeners I've been talking to that are 440 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,480 just leaving the island now, But if you're planning to 441 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,039 come back, put Pookolani high on the list. Of course, 442 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,119 as you want to play, I'm looking over my scorecard 443 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,200 from the two rounds that I had and the holes 444 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,960 that beat me up the most, or should I go 445 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:43,240 the holes that I loved, the one I pardon, the 446 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:50,000 one that I parted and Birdie was number seven, which 447 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,079 is a part four not very long three forty six 448 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:54,960 that I had. 449 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 5: It's most of the holes here at Pookolani, Fred, as 450 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,279 you learned from playing yesterday, they either go down the 451 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:02,200 hill or up the hill. 452 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are very few level holes in this very 453 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,119 few level holes. 454 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:11,319 Speaker 1: But you're not really playing any side hill holes, right, which. 455 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,759 Speaker 5: I have a challenge with because the balls either below 456 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,599 you or above you. And with our holes here, you're 457 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,799 either hitting down the mountain or up the mountain usually. 458 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm realizing now as you say that, 459 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,640 I only all day. I remember one shot that I 460 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:39,440 felt like the ball was below my feet and so, 461 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:41,880 and it was interesting because the reason I remember it 462 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,759 is because it's like, okay, the balls below my feet, 463 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:45,720 so the ball is going to go off to the right, right. 464 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,160 If the balls below your feet, it's going to go 465 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,920 to the right. So I aim farther left and it 466 00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:50,880 just went left. 467 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the holes you long now, Okay, but 468 00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:57,279 it's true. 469 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: I mean you're going downhill, you're going uphill. It's not 470 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:00,640 a lot of lies. 471 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: No, there is not in it, which I love. You know. 472 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,279 Speaker 5: That's what Bob took into consideration when he designed the course. 473 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:12,519 He looked at the longer holes on our scorecard or downhill. 474 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,319 You all the shorter holes are uphill, which is the 475 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,960 way it basically should be. But it levels out to 476 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,759 whereas you're hitting about the same clubs into a lot 477 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:27,039 of the greens because the yardage plays the same even 478 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,559 though you're going up the mountain or down the mountain. 479 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,079 Speaker 3: Right, except and we're going to go now to whole 480 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,000 number three. Excellent, because that's a downhill short hole. 481 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,559 Speaker 1: It is a downhill short hole. 482 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,039 Speaker 3: Or or now, let's just leave a pause here because 483 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:45,759 everyone's going. 484 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 5: Or or or well, Fred Levy, I've got to let 485 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,039 the cat out of the bag. 486 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: We have nineteen greens here. 487 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,839 Speaker 5: At Pukolani Country Club, which is a very unique characteristic 488 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,640 to most for an eighteen whole course. So whole number 489 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,319 three is our signature hole. And just like you were saying, 490 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,680 you can hit it down the hill, which for higher 491 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,200 handicappers may be the play because the green is located 492 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,599 in a canyon and there's no wind, which makes it 493 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:22,279 very very nice short hole for the higher handicappers to play. 494 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,799 Speaker 3: And it's true to the yardage too, I mean the 495 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,279 one hundred and thirty yards are yeah, around one hundred 496 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,799 yards one hundred and thirty even though it's downhill. 497 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 5: Play at one hundred and thirty right, downhill play at 498 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,519 one hundred and thirty exactly. Or you've got the opportunity 499 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,279 for the maybe the more advanced players of the lower 500 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:48,359 handicappers to hit across the gulch, which is all carry 501 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,559 one hundred and forty five yards to the upper green, 502 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,559 which is the nineteenth green on the course. And it 503 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,440 is quite a challenging shot because we do have a 504 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,279 prevailing wind here which is usually about ten to fifteen 505 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,079 miles per hour, and the wind is blowing straight from 506 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,359 left to right. You're hitting across the gulch. Very few 507 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:16,079 people actually hit this green in regulation, let's see. 508 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: So on my first round I played with my buddy, 509 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,599 we went on the downhill one. He's a higher handicap, 510 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680 he likes that. And then the when I played in 511 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,960 the afternoon with one of the kids that works here 512 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:36,559 and two locals, we went across and nobody hit the green. Yeah, 513 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,480 nobody hit the green going across. 514 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 5: It is a much more difficult hole than one hundred 515 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,680 and forty five yards. On the scorecard plays it out 516 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,880 to be because it is all Carrie right, you're yeah. 517 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: I parred going downhill. I doubled going across. 518 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: We'll stick to the one that goes down the hill. 519 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: No, I want to go back. 520 00:29:58,279 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: I know I can beat this. 521 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,319 Speaker 3: That's the way love golf. Sure, I know I can 522 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:06,039 do better, that's right, But so is this just like 523 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:12,200 does the architect Bob Bodick bowdoc, bowdoc? Does he have 524 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,279 a six sense of humor? Where did that come from? 525 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,960 Is like, let's let's just throw in two greens for 526 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,839 this hole and let people decide for themselves. 527 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 5: It's very unique because we are the only course that 528 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,319 he is designed that has nineteen really yes, oh wow? 529 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,319 Speaker 1: And uh. 530 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,359 Speaker 5: In fact, to tell you the truth, I can't remember 531 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:35,160 in my forty five years of playing golf ever playing 532 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,680 a nineteen green golf course before and having the. 533 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: Option to play from one ta to two greens. 534 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 3: Okay, I actually have one where I play. We have 535 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:47,319 we have two greens on a par a downhill par 536 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,519 five in Indian Valley. There's there's you know, you can 537 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,880 get there in two on the on the lower one, 538 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,839 or there's an upper one where you've got to really 539 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:55,920 position yourself. 540 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, interesting, it's the first I've heard about it. 541 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:02,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, are yeah, Okay. So it's a fascinating feature and 542 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,920 it really begs you to like, Okay, I hit the 543 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,720 green on the bottom, let's play the other one too. 544 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:10,160 You can't do that. There's people behind you can't decide 545 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,519 to play both, but we. 546 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 5: Do ask that everybody in your group hit to the 547 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,920 same green because it can't get kind of chaotic otherwise. 548 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, and it is really pretty when you're 549 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:24,240 down below too. It's a really pretty little gulch in there. 550 00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 5: It's a little canyon where the green is, and it's beautiful. 551 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,079 Speaker 1: Both shots are beautiful golf shots. 552 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it was really a lot of fun out 553 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,920 there on that and then another hole that I find 554 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:43,599 real interesting. The views on fourteen. Fourteen was a great 555 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,240 hole as well. Didn't treat me well, but it was 556 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,920 a great No. Fifteen really beat me up. 557 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: For Fourteen's a beautiful par three. Again. 558 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,519 Speaker 5: You can see the ocean on both sides of the 559 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,200 island from that hole when you're up on the green. Yeah, 560 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,559 bring your camera, Yes, please bring your camera. 561 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,359 Speaker 3: And I'll post pictures. I even have some wallpaper for 562 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,599 our premium subscribers, a photograph that will use as a 563 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,279 wallpaper for you to download too. But I got some 564 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,799 photographs that you'll see on the site. 565 00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,079 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing them on the side. 566 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,839 Speaker 3: All right, Ron, how about a great tip on how 567 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,359 to play the par three number three that has two 568 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:28,640 different greens. 569 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 5: Well for the higher handicappers. Of course, going down the hill. 570 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,200 Just like we mentioned a little bit earlier, it is 571 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000 true yardage, so play it is true yardage just because 572 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,279 you're going down the hill. Don't take any yardage all 573 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,519 for you most likely going to be short of the green. 574 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,200 So that is my tip on how to play the 575 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,160 lower green. Now the upper green, there is a bunker 576 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,160 on a left hand side of the green. The wind 577 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,759 is dominantly going from left to right, and you can't 578 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,079 feel it from the tee, so you have to take 579 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,839 this wind into consideration or you're going to end up 580 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,720 to the right. So they're the bucker on the left again, 581 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,359 I believe is a great aiming point. Aim towards the bunker, 582 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,400 even though you feel like you're going to hit a 583 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,319 straight shot nine times out of ten, you're going to 584 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,119 end up on the green instead of to the right 585 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:18,599 of the green. 586 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: I wish you'd have told me that before I played it, 587 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,480 because I did end up on the right side of 588 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:25,000 the well. 589 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:25,319 Speaker 1: Fred. 590 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,519 Speaker 5: Hopefully tomorrow, if you get a chance to come out 591 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:29,680 and play your course again, you'll aim at that left 592 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,880 bucker instead of towards the center of the grid.