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nineteen fifty, here is the Big Car.

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Speaker 2: The story you're about to hear is true, only the

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names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a

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detective sergeant. You're assigned to robbery detail. In four months,

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fifteen food markets in your city have been held up

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and rubbed. The bandit is well dressed, well armed. Your

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job stopping.

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Speaker 3: Drag net the documented drama of an actual crime Pau

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the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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Police Department, you will travel step by step on the

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side of the law through an actual case transcribed from

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official police polence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.

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Dragnet is the story of your police force and action.

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Speaker 4: It was Monday, February twelfth. It was cold in Los Angeles.

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We were working the night Watch out of robbery detail.

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My partner's Ben Romero, the boss's Dad Brown, Chief of Detectives,

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My name is Friday.

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Speaker 5: Was nine forty eight pm.

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Speaker 4: When we get the room twenty five, a interrogation room.

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Speaker 5: Have a chair, mister Barrn.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Now, what is it that you want to tell us?

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Speaker 5: Sir? Well, you have a cigarette? Please?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there you are, Thank you. I'm a little nervous.

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It's never happened to me before.

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Speaker 5: What's that?

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Speaker 6: Well, after I thought it over, I knew it wouldn't

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be any use to keep it up. I knew you'd

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find me, but I don't think I quite follow you.

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I want to confess. That's why I came here. Real

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I knew what I was doing wrong. I just couldn't

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help myself.

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Speaker 5: What have you done?

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Speaker 6: I'm not trying to defend myself or needed money, that's all.

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Wasn't anything else I could do.

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Speaker 5: But we still don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Pollard, been after me four months, so maybe you recognized

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me from the description. Some of the people not have

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seen me. Hum those food market holdups? You pulled those

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robberies by yourself? Yeah, fifteen of them? Needed the money?

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Speaker 5: Pollard? Is that your true name? That's right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Frank Bowler? Have you ever been arrested before? Drunk charge?

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That's all? I don't know why I went wrong? It

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just did.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever done any big time?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 5: Why do you want to confess? I want to get

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it off my mind.

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Speaker 6: I want to tell somebody, everybody what cat call in

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newspapers and I'll give them a whole story.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell 'em everything. Uh. How many of those markets

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did you hold up? Probably fifteen? And you said you

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needed the money? Is that right? Why? Personal reasons? And

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look you got a light again? Smokes out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, uh huh yeah.

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Speaker 5: Did you use pretty much the same routine on all

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of the hold ups? Is that right?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I only pulled one job a week. Figured that was

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the safest way. Dressed pretty well like a salesman. Always

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had a briefcase with me, said, what are you carrying

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the gun?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Always worked too.

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Speaker 6: I'd show up at closing time, get the manager in

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the back room, and then pull the highest What kind

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of a gun did you use? Service pistol? I had

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it from when I was in the army. How do

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you usually work it?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 6: When I got the manager alone in the back office,

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I'd just pull a gun. I'd say the money, all

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of it. They knew I wasn't pooling niggim in the dog.

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Speaker 5: You don't seem to fit the hold up man's description

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too closely. Did you wear a mask on those jobs?

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Did it? Sometimes? It did? Sometimes it didn't. How about

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the man who worked with you? Where's he wasn't anybody else?

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Speaker 6: Worked him alone. That's where you cops are wrong. You

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thought there were two of us, didn't you?

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Speaker 5: We thought so?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, pulled every job by myself. That's where I crossed

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you up and kneway I was doing I didn't need

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Speaker 4: Well, how about that market out of the West seventh

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that you held up last night? Did you pull that

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one alone too?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I'm sure I always work alone. Guess I had you

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guys going, huh, your story doesn't come very close. The

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man where after he doesn't use the service pistol. He

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never wears a mask in it. What are you guys

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getting that? I told you I pulled those robberies. I

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dol'n't know how it happened. I used a service pistol.

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Speaker 5: Did you use it in that robbery last night that

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went out on West Seventh? Sure? I always used the

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same gun. Last night was no different. You're wasting time, mister.

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What do you I mean? I look, I just want

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to confess. You know, sir, there wasn't any robbery last night.

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Speaker 4: One further questioning beg Frank Pollard broke down and admitted.

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Speaker 5: His confession was a lie.

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Speaker 4: He explained that he wanted the publicity to impress a girlfriend.

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We had him fingerprinted and delivered him to the Georgia

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Street Hospital. Detail was filed on, and then we moved

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to the psychopathic ward at the County Hospital for further

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examination and treatment. Our four month old search for the

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market bandit went on. In the two weeks that followed,

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we tracked down more leaves. They led nowhere the real

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market bandit was still at large. On the night of

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February twenty fifth, they hit again, this time at a

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supermarket out on Santa Monica Boulevard. We interviewed the manager

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of mister Harry Talbot in his small office at the

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rear of the store.

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Speaker 9: I guess I should have known better. I got the

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bullet and you sent out on the guy. His description everything,

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I just wasn't thinking.

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Speaker 5: I guess he came into the market just before closing time,

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Is that right?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, a couple of minutes after eight, look well dressed,

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had a briefcase.

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Speaker 5: Under his arm. I fell for it like the rest

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of him. I thought he was a salesman. How about

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the man's description, sir.

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Speaker 9: About five foot eleven hundred and seventy pounds. I guess

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gray suit, the same description you have Perrier up in

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the paper.

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Speaker 5: Was anyone else around when the man came in the door.

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Speaker 9: One of my clerks, evert smiley, he saw him leave

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and get in a car right after the robbery.

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Speaker 5: Is this clerk still around? We'd like to talk to him.

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Speaker 9: Oh, he went down the street im and hear me

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right back, and maybe that's you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, mister Talbot you remember me, Missus Bolton.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, ma'am, like to ask.

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Speaker 11: You a favor. Mister Talbot is an old customer.

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Speaker 9: I'm tied up right now, ma'am. Could I see you

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a little later on?

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Speaker 11: I won't even come in, mister Talbot.

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Speaker 10: You see, we're having our annual benefit whist party down

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at the community church.

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Speaker 11: They were going to have it next Thursday, but I made.

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Speaker 10: Them put it off another week so we could get

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some decent prizes.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 10: Of course, lots of our people are good customers of

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the store here, so I knew you'd be willing to give.

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Speaker 11: Something to the prize list.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Shall I put.

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Speaker 11: You down from one of the door prizes?

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Speaker 10: Maybe two or three market baskets full of can corn

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pease things like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, Missus Bolton.

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Speaker 9: I'll have ever fixed them up tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Of course.

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Speaker 11: Well, thank you very much, mister Talbot. I'll have my

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I Robert picked him up tomorrow. You'll have the best.

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It's fixed up real nice, won't.

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Speaker 12: You, yes, ma'am, I'll take care of it well, thank you, goodbye, goodbye, ma'am, goodbye, gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: Mister Talbot. I wonder if you could tell us what

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happened after you got back here in your office with

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a hold up man, It.

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Speaker 5: Happened pretty fast.

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Speaker 9: He reached into the briefcase he was carrying like he

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was going to get his order book, and he came

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up with this gun.

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Speaker 5: He told me to open that safe there, but I stole.

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Speaker 9: I said, I didn't know how I see, And that's

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when he started telling me what he'd do to my family,

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my wife if I didn't open the safe. He knew

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all about us, my address, my wife's name, my kids.

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Speaker 12: He said he'd get them if I didn't do what

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I was told. Same Amo never failed him.

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Speaker 5: What'd you do? Then? Tell it? Well, money's not worth

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that much to me. I opened the safe and gave him.

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Speaker 9: Everything, a little over four hundred dollars. I still don't

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know how I got that information about my family.

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Speaker 5: Do you have any suspicions at all? No, nobody I

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can think of. How about the gun? He can you

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describe it?

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Speaker 9: But just like you haven't listed in that bulletin on

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him thirty eight revolve.

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Speaker 5: A blue steel long bow and mister Talbott, come on

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in ev officers, this is my clerk.

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Speaker 9: Everett Smiley I'm sorry, I forgot your name.

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Speaker 5: Friday in Romero, Robert y tamp hi Yah. I love it. Hey,

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mister Talbot says that you saw the hold up man

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leaving the market. Is that right? Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 6: He walked right out of the store and down the street,

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just like nothing happened. I didn't know anything was wrong

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till later. Did you notice if the men got in

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the car?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 6: Car was sparked about halfway down the block. Another guy

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was driving, motor was running.

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Speaker 12: You catch the license number? No, but it was a

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bran new sedan, a Pontiac. I think you shouldn't have

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much trouble.

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Speaker 6: Finding it without a license number. Oh, it's a brand

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new car. I remember the color. I couldn't forget that. Yeah,

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bright red, just like a fire engine.

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Speaker 4: Ninety percent of the time, color identification of a car

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means nothing. For one thing, a getaway car can be

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painted in a matter of a few hours, and for another,

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the color of a vehicle is not listed on the

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registration slip. Possible to check a car through DMV on

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color alone, But in this case we figured that we

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had half an exception to the rule. The car used

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and the robbery was new was painted a very distinctive color.

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We began an immediate canvas of automobile dealers throughout the city.

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After a day and a half of calling and checking,

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we found two dealers would sold two new cars within

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recent weeks with fire engine red paint jobs. We got

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the names and addresses of the purchases and check them out.

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One of them was a mismoona tailor, an ad taker

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for one of the daily morning paint roots.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry to brought you that your work, misteray, not

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at all. Most of it's over for today. What is

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it you want to know?

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Speaker 4: We understand that you bought a new Pontiacciday in about

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three weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: Is that correct?

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Speaker 13: Yes?

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 13: Oh if this is about that parking, take it like

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I've already taken care of it.

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Speaker 5: No, man, that's not it. We just like to know

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if you still own that car. Well, I don't own

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it yet, I'm still paying on it. Colors there, bright red?

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Is that right? Yes? It is fire engine red. I

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like bright colors. Well, does anyone else beside yourself drive

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the car? Mastailing?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 13: Yes, once in a while. I lend it to my

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boyfriend Al al Daily. I have known him prolonged time.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me.

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Speaker 13: Last by das Miss Taylor, Yes, sir, two room apartment, unfurnished.

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Speaker 5: All right, you've got a smoke you Beverly Hill eight.

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Speaker 13: Okay, yes, sir, tomorrow Morning's edition.

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Speaker 11: Yes, two dollars and cents for two days?

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Speaker 13: Did I have your name addressing telephone number?

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Speaker 5: Thanks you, sir. I am about this friend of yours,

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Miss Taylor, and this el Daily. How long have you been.

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Speaker 13: Lending him your car since he got his new salesman's job.

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Guess to make night calls on customers out in the valley,

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So I let him have a car, usually about once

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a week.

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Speaker 4: When's the last time that he borrowed the comments two

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nights ago from Mona Taylor, we got the address of

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her boyfriend al Daily relocated him in a rooming house

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on South Boulevard. He admitted he borrowed the tailor girl's

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car the night before, but he denied that he drove

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it anywhere in the vicinity of the robbery.

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Speaker 5: How about your friend Jimmy Bray, I.

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Speaker 14: Don't know I owned the car. That's all. He gave

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me thirty bucks. Well, that's an awful lot of rental money.

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Why did he need a car? Savand I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Let you ask Ken. Where's he staying? Warlotte Hotel Ethan

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Flo You going over to see him, now, that's right? Why?

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Speaker 14: Well, I thought if you were going over there, he

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wouldn't mind taking this with you. He left it in

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the car when he brought it back his briefcase. It'savanla,

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it's a naa. It's all a fuss about a briefcase. Yeah,

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what is it? Let's see, all right? You get an

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answer for that? Daily Sure a funny place to keep

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a gun. He took al Daily downtown where he was

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held for questioning. He had a stakeout placed on his

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room house. We had both Daily and Bray checked through

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R and I.

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Speaker 5: No criminal record.

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Speaker 4: The briefcase and the thirty eight revolver were booked as

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evidence with the property clerk. There was no record or

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prints on the gun. The Taylor Girl's car was impounded

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to be checked for fingerprints. Seven pm, we drove out

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to the Bottle of hotel on Eighth and Flower. The

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room clerk confirmed the fact that Jimmy Bray was a

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registered guest at the hotel.

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Speaker 5: You want to call the office. Jill, Yeah, all right,

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I'll do it. We got change. Yeah, I think I

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have yep.

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Speaker 15: Okay City Hall two five to one on.

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Speaker 5: Robbery Powers Joe Friday, John, We're out at Bray's hotel.

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We're gonna stake it out. He's not in yet. That's

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what I figured.

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Speaker 9: What you mean, market out on twelve Street was held

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up a minute ago.

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Speaker 5: Bandit carried briefcase.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to drag net authentic stories of your

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police force in action.

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Speaker 5: Eleven thirty pm.

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Speaker 4: After checking Bray's room and finding nothing, Ben and I

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remained on stake out.

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Speaker 5: At the Bartlett Hotel. The suspect failed to show up.

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At midnight, Young and Mackenzie came out and relieved us.

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We drove back to.

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Speaker 4: The office and got the particulars on the hold up

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of the twelfth Street market. The m was almost exactly

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the same as in the other sixteen robberies. The victim's

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description of the hold up man matched perfectly with Bray's.

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By noon the next day, the suspects still had not

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returned to his hotel. An intensive canvas of the immediate

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neighborhood around the Bartlett Hotel netted us nothing. Nobody remembered Bray.

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We checked the bars and restaurants that he was known

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to patronize. No one had any idea where he might be.

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Details at the airport, railroad stations, and bus terminals were alerted.

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We got out a supplementary description on our original APB.

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The Sheriff's office was kept advised. Two days passed, still

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no sign. We questioned and requestioned al daily. Either he

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couldn't or he wouldn't add anything to what he'd already

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told us about Bray. A series of stakeouts were placed

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at food markets and areas where Bray had staged robberies previously.

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A composite picture of the suspect was made up and

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given wide distribution throughout the city.

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Speaker 5: It all went for nothing.

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Speaker 4: The following Tuesday, March fourth, Bray robbed a neighborhood market

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in Highland.

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Speaker 5: Park of one hundred and fifty dollars. I had to

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give him the money.

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Speaker 16: Sergeant he fed in my wife and kids said he'd

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see something happen to them if I didn't open the safe.

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Speaker 5: Did you say war gloves, sir? That's right.

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Speaker 16: I thought it didn't, Juy, But first salesman wearing gloves

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like that. Didn't think about it till it was too late.

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Speaker 5: Did you notice if he was on foot or did

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he get away in a car?

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Speaker 16: He had a car all right part down the street

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there saw up through the window.

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Speaker 5: Another fellow was at the wheel.

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Speaker 4: Did you notice anything else about the car? The license number?

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Speaker 16: Maybe no, I couldn't see that. But it was a

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coop I'm sure of that. Yeah, it was red, bright red.

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There was one angle we couldn't figure.

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Speaker 4: If Bray has been on a steady career of robbery,

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why did he use an escape car painted the most

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conspicuous color possible. We checked out Mona Taylor's car again,

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there was no connection. The search went on two weeks,

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three weeks, another month. Bray kept to his usual schedule,

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one robbery a week. The lake work went on too.

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On March twentieth, we got a call from one of

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Ben's informants. He told us that he'd seen a man

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answering Bray's description in the Venice Park amusement area down

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to the beach, and we drove out of Venice to

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check it out.

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Speaker 5: Pretty good crowd for a cold nine. Yeah, where do

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we find a friend of yours?

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Speaker 12: See where the money go around here is up ahead? Yeah,

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just beyond that he runs one of the booze you

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throw baseballs at pony milk three tash fret dime you know,

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oh yea, he and his wife running. They were not

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here for years. I don't know how they ever make

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a living.

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Speaker 5: Eh.

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Speaker 12: They those hot dogs smell good, don't they.

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Speaker 5: That's your friend's booth to foss away there? Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, girls, how you can throw a baseball still the mount?

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Speaker 11: Now let the girl kind of free throw step up

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when it fly.

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Speaker 12: Looks like Marg's running in place tonight, maud that's his wyea?

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How you do side cold night?

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Speaker 11: Huh?

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Speaker 17: Alright, this is my partner, Joe Friday.

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Speaker 5: Oh are you glad to know you?

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Speaker 12: Joe?

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Speaker 5: Guess you're looking for the scooter. Huh yes, he runs

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down the way.

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Speaker 2: Such, Hey, how am I say?

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Speaker 5: Let me try you luck? One spin dime still milk

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on the good crabs in night month? Oh yeah, I

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cannot spend them husband.

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Speaker 17: Good at all lately?

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Speaker 5: Where'd you say your husband was? Ma'n? Just down the way?

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Speaker 13: Oh man, Hudson's out to childs who it runs?

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Speaker 12: America on for now? Thank you, mam. We'll drop back

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to see him before we leave.

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Speaker 5: Right, glad to meet you, Joe, Yeah, glad to meet you.

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Bye the boy.

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Speaker 11: What do you control?

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Speaker 5: Scooter? Is that what you said? Is that the guy's name? Yeah,

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that's right. He used to run the scooters roll.

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Speaker 12: You know, the little electric car you drive around, bompers

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all around.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 12: Now you Scooter, Hey, Scooter, Sarge, you've been waiting for you.

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Speaker 5: You'll go ahead.

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Speaker 7: Joe, Okay, sorry's good to see it, Scooter, my partner.

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Speaker 5: Joe Friday. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm glad to know you.

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Speaker 12: Joe.

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Speaker 5: I guess we can talk here as well as I place. Huh, Jure,

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what's the story, Scooter?

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Speaker 8: Uh, it's like I told johnah phone, Uh, Murphy Donald

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Penny Arcade. You know it's the guy first he pointed

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him out to me. Sure it's close to the praise subscription.

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Speaker 5: When did you first see him? Or two nights ago?

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I wasn't so sure. It was Bray the first time,

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and I saw him last night that since I didn't

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hear that.

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Speaker 8: I said I saw him last night, not that since?

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Speaker 5: Oh but what did this Murphy was at his name?

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What did he per see him?

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Speaker 16: Now?

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Speaker 8: About a week ago he's got an ego eye for

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strangers who hang around.

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Speaker 5: Murphy thinks the guy staying out of here some place?

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Is there any idea where?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Just a minute.

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Speaker 8: No jumping around like that's I'm not a fall haanging ahead.

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Speaker 5: It's what'd you spot this man scooter? Same place Murphy

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did it.

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Speaker 8: He's hanging around the shooting gallery down the way. A

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guy who runs the places, no where. We don't know

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him well, love to ask him about it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this man looks like Bray just hangs around

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the corner there. No, not exactly.

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Speaker 8: You see his little office to one side of the

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shooting gallery. And at times I seen the guy.

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Speaker 5: He was either coming or going out there. When's the

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last time the storm good? They went? The last time?

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It's on earlier than I at watched six point thirty guy.

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I think Murphy is right. The guys holding up in

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the area.

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Speaker 8: Hold on there, curly, No, don't try to get off

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from Marry, go out.

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Speaker 5: Let's stop, sad.

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Speaker 17: H thank you Lort scooter.

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Speaker 5: We'll chack back with you for we lee. Yeah, okay,

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I I hope it helps you out. I I match right.

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Still there, there's a shooting gallery down there. By the

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bulls eye.

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Speaker 12: Son.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the guy is bray It's funny that he hasn't

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been spotted before.

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Speaker 5: This area is pretty well patrolled here.

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Speaker 6: Well, try your skilled fellas ten shots, Sony Parter.

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Speaker 5: Or police officers like to ask a few questions. Oh

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what about what's your name? Gridley? Max Gridley? You know

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anybody who the name of James bray Ray? So I know?

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Why how about this, mister Gridley? The onlybody who fits

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that description? Ye know.

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Speaker 8: Now that doesn't mean anything to me, which matter anyway?

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Speaker 4: My man answering that description has been seen entering and

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leaving this office right next door over here.

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Speaker 5: It's part of your concession, isn't it. Yeah, that's right.

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I'm the only one who used it. Somebody must have

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got the wrong slant.

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Speaker 12: Then you wouldn't mind if we looked it over routine

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investigation and wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, come around an open door for you, right.

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Speaker 3: It's just a cubby hole, as you can see, trying

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to use it to destroyage place.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes have my lunch in head taking that once in

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a while. Looks pretty well lived.

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Speaker 12: Then all those clothes are yours, mister Gridley.

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Speaker 5: That's right? Why way back?

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Speaker 11: How about a lot of things.

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Speaker 5: Customer, excuse me, man, be right back, Yeah, go ahead,

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a right, Joe, Yeah, over here, have a lot this towel. Yeah,

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look at the name of stenciled down at Bottlet Hotel.

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Nine thirty pm.

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Speaker 4: We advised the shooting gallery operator not to attempt any

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phone calls. Then I called the office and Rickets and

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Powers came out to help us with a stakeout on

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the shooting gallery. In the adjoining office. Ben and I

474
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covered from the penny arcade directly opposite the shooting gallery.

475
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Rickets and Powers were staked out two doors away at

476
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a stand that advertised handwriting.

477
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Speaker 5: Analyzed twenty five cents. We waited.

478
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Speaker 4: Ben munched on a bag of popcorn. Ten thirty pm,

479
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no sign of the suspect. Eleven o'clock still no sign.

480
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Speaker 5: Getting pretty cold. Everybody going home? Yeah? You got any

481
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,759
more of that popcorn? Here? Oh right, Harry, our field

482
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pages left very good.

483
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Speaker 4: Must have been not much in there now. Oh I'm sorry.

484
00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:02,839
I can get another bag machine right over there?

485
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 5: No turn it off?

486
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 12: How about some peanut? No, no thanks, I'm sure there's

487
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:15,039
something in there, Joe once son, No sure, I would

488
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,759
like to see brace show. Hate to spend the night

489
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:23,000
stake down here. Wait a minute, huh the shooting gallery.

490
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The guy in the blue suits.

491
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Speaker 5: Talking to the manager. He's going around to the side door.

492
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That money he's going inside.

493
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Speaker 1: All right, hold it right there.

494
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Speaker 5: Mister, don't watch it. Wick it, Kellny, come on the back.

495
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I'll get the door. Want to hit it?

496
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Speaker 12: Yea?

497
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Speaker 11: What out the back?

498
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Speaker 5: Come on, hold it, Johnny's gone it.

499
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Speaker 17: Y'all good, Johnny okay, yeah, roughly, let's roll him over. Huh,

500
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,960
all right, how about it?

501
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Speaker 5: Joe short, dark complexion, fat? What do you think?

502
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:13,519
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's not Bray, Rickets, and Powers

503
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,720
remained on stakeout at the shooting gallery while Ben and

504
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I took the suspect downtown along with the proprietor of

505
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the shooting Gallery, Max Gridley. We had the man treated

506
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for cuts and bruises at Georgia Street Receiving Hospital, and

507
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we took him to the office. He identified himself as

508
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Blake Chatfield, an unemployed salesman. After two hours of questioning,

509
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he broke down and admitted that he was Bray's accomplice

510
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in each of the eighteen robberies.

511
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Speaker 5: He drove the getaway car. He said for the past month.

512
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Speaker 4: He and Bray had been living in the office adjoining

513
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the shooting Gallery, who was booked at the New City

514
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Jail on suspicion of two eleven PC. Max Gridley was

515
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held for further questioning one.

516
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Speaker 5: Th five am. We checked back in at the office. Yes,

517
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I had too many hot dogs out there. You know

518
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what's the matter? Oh, indigestion. Maybe it was the pop corn.

519
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Speaker 4: Yeah, m A couple of messages in the book. My

520
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:12,359
wife wants you to call him before you go home.

521
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Speaker 5: Uh huh Hello Amy? Yeah, long night?

522
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Speaker 17: Yeah, what.

523
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Speaker 12: Both for Graham? Brad Well, I'll try Okay here Hey

524
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him by, same old thing.

525
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 18: Yeah, I get it.

526
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Speaker 5: Robbery Friday, Johnny Parr's Joe, Yeah, John, how's it going?

527
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:46,519
Speaker 9: Gim me a brave Finally showed we got him any trouble, No,

528
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drove up in a bright red coop.

529
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Speaker 5: Couldn't miss him. You coming in now? Yeah? Just leave him,

530
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,200
see you right, John Man? Well, I picked up Bray,

531
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,039
bring him in now. Good. Should have been a long

532
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,559
haul almost five months. Yeah, it's a long time. Hey Joe.

533
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,799
Speaker 12: Yeah, where am I going to get a loaf of

534
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,839
Graham bread at this time in the morning?

535
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,759
Speaker 2: The story you had just heard was true, only the

536
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names were changed to protect the innocent.

537
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,079
Speaker 5: James R.

538
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Speaker 3: Bray and Blake A. Chatfield were tried and convicted on

539
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:35,000
several counts of armed robbery and received sentences as prescribed

540
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,119
by law. Max Gridley was filed on for failure to

541
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,319
register as an ex convict. Bray and Chatfield are now

542
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,640
serving their terms in the state penitentiary. Technical advice for

543
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,720
Dragnet comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,

544
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,079
Los Angeles Police.

545
00:26:51,759 --> 00:27:00,599
Speaker 2: Department, coming up with the people, then screen director Playhouse

546
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,599
on NBC.

547
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,519
Speaker 1: Welcome Back. You expect confessing Sam's to show up for murders,

548
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,680
but grocery store robberies. Thankfully, they were able to dispense

549
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,000
with that guy really quickly. But one thing Dragon That's

550
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,160
always clear on is that those guys really do waste

551
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:28,200
time for the police. The way this episode ends violates

552
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:34,240
the listener's expectations, but I think enhances the feeling of

553
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Dragnet's integrity. Even on a series like Tales of the

554
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:44,160
Texas Rangers, which tried to be authentic, Jace Pearson would

555
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,799
always be there for the big caller, but Dragon that

556
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,519
didn't always have that happen, because the reality for police

557
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,079
officers is that you're not the designated main character, and

558
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,839
sometimes another officer gets the caller and all you get

559
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:04,839
is indigestion for eating too much popcorn. Of course, this

560
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,160
leaves the episode's biggest question unanswered. Why did the criminal

561
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,079
choose red cars for his getaway cars? If I had

562
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,680
to guess based on him not having a prior record,

563
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,559
it seemed like he just didn't realize that this was

564
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:27,000
a problem. He just liked red cars asn't aside. I

565
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,799
do wonder if red is the absolute worst choice. It

566
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,960
seems like hot pink or a really bright orange would

567
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:39,599
also stand out, although I don't think they had cars

568
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,240
being manufactured in that color yet, although certainly I've seen

569
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,480
a lot of cars from later in the fifties that

570
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,359
certainly have the hot pink going for it. And then

571
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,680
we have a little line towards the end, which I'm

572
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,000
pretty sure I didn't even take note of the first

573
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,839
couple times that I played this episode, but which just

574
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,759
sent me down a rabbit trail, and that was Ben's

575
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,200
upcoming quest by Graham Bread. Now, given my last name,

576
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,519
you'd think I would have taken notice of that before,

577
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,880
but no, I'm pretty sure I didn't. Graham bread is

578
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:23,640
actually named for the Reverend Sylvester Graham, the father of

579
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:29,119
American vegetarianism and the inventor of the Graham cracker. He

580
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,839
was a nineteenth century minister who is often cited as

581
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,400
one of the first food fastest. He published his famous

582
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,680
book Treaties on Bread and Bread Making back in eighteen

583
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:48,200
thirty seven, which I'm sure everyone's read, which explained how

584
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,599
to make Graham bread, among other things, but it didn't

585
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,039
actually give precise portions as to how much of each

586
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,759
ingredient should go in, instead relying on the baker's good judgment.

587
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:05,519
This is why I'd never make gram bread using that recipe.

588
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,079
When it comes to guessing the appropriate amounts of ingredients

589
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,720
to go into a recipe, I have worse judgment than

590
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,519
our criminal did this week at picking cars. Now, in

591
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,000
terms of Ben's quest, I could not find gram bread

592
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,720
commercially available in our modern world at the usual places.

593
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,880
After doing a lot of searching, I found a bakery

594
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,319
in Illinois that offered their own take on gram bread

595
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,440
that you can buy. That'd be a bit of a

596
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,640
drive for me let alone. A twenty first century version

597
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:47,359
of ben Romero. But what about ten, nineteen fifty version

598
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:53,680
of ben Romero. I don't think there was widespread commercial availability.

599
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,920
I actually did a newspaper search to see if I

600
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:01,799
could find any ads for any store that mentioned gram

601
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,440
bread available, and I drew a total blank and again

602
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:10,400
searching in the Los Angeles area. So even in nineteen fifty,

603
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,119
if you could buy it commercially, it would be most

604
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,759
likely considered some sort of health food. You can imagine

605
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,000
poor Ben would be hard pressed to find it. You know,

606
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:23,680
you'd go to the all nights supermarkets and whatever sort

607
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,559
of stores would be open that time of night, and

608
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,839
spend an hour or so going through, and then have

609
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,240
to get up early in the morning and drive to

610
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,480
a health food store. I found an interesting blog post

611
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:39,720
by Renee Ryan, a historical romance writer who used to

612
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:43,119
write for a blog called Petticoats and Pistols, which is

613
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:47,799
focused on historical romance, particularly around the Old West, and

614
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,279
she said that you can actually get graham flower from

615
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,319
health food stores, and the special way that graham flower

616
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,440
is made is more true to the Old West way

617
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:04,119
of making flour. So if you want to get a

618
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:08,160
taste of the Old West, making some gram bread could

619
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,759
be helpful. She also shared a recipe which thankfully does

620
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,319
not rely on the baker having good judgment, and I

621
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,279
want to add an I linked her article in the

622
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:22,440
show notes, although there are plenty of gram bread recipes,

623
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,599
if you want to give it a try, and if

624
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,160
there are any bakers who made it and would like

625
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,240
to share their experience, I'd certainly welcome that. And if

626
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,480
you have any information on the commercial availability of gram

627
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,880
bread in nineteen fifty in the greater Los Angeles area,

628
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,640
then you have a highly specialized set of knowledge. Listener

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comments and feedback. Now and we turn to YouTube, where

630
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we have a couple comments regarding the Big Mother. Amanda writes,

631
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,079
this one was tough to listen to. An unfulfilled desire

632
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,160
can break your mind and spirit. A good outcome, but

633
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,759
nothing could make things right for either family. A good point, Amanda.

634
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,680
One thing that Dragnet says is that it follows the

635
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,920
case from crime to punishment, but oftentimes you're left with

636
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:18,839
unanswered questions which fall out of that perimeter. Certainly for

637
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:23,720
the woman who kidnapped the baby, you wonder what happens

638
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:28,680
to her next, and also for the family of the baby,

639
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,279
and you wonder what they end up doing about it.

640
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:38,680
Do they even tell the boy that he was briefly kidnapped,

641
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,039
passed off of somebody else's child, and baptized, maybe into

642
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,759
an entirely different church than the parents belonged to. My hunch,

643
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,279
particularly since there wasn't a criminal process that would require

644
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:59,839
them to testify or relive the situation, that they would

645
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,799
probably tend to just try to move on as if

646
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,680
it didn't happen. But I don't think that means that

647
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:10,679
it doesn't impact them. They might find themselves being very

648
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,280
overly protective of the boy for reasons they can't even explain.

649
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,679
So there would definitely be effects from this, even if

650
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,840
the family wasn't consciously aware of it. So just a

651
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,519
sad situation overall. And then Sarah writes, Dragnett was always

652
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:33,039
a good guidance in my life. Great entertainment. Well, thank

653
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you so much, appreciate the comment. Now it's time to

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thank our Patreon supporter of the day, and I want

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to go ahead and think Liz. Liz has been one

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Falcon Wear Just.

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Speaker 18: A minute, what four? I've heard the spiel twenty times.

674
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,599
I'm lovely sorry, Braddeck, but naturally we can't afford to

675
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:49,800
have an x con working for us.

676
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,199
Speaker 5: Isn't that how it goes? Don't blame me, I'm just

677
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,320
an innocent bystander.

678
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,039
Speaker 18: When did you get out?

679
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 5: What difference does it make? Well? Just humanly in forty nine.

680
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,239
We have he've been doing since getting kicked all over

681
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:03,639
the place.

682
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,599
Speaker 3: You really been trying to go straight?

683
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: Would you believe it?

684
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,159
Speaker 18: If I said, yes, Look, if you get your kicks

685
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:11,639
torturing people, that swell. But I don't think I have no, no, no, no,

686
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:17,400
I'm really interested. Well, I I was nineteen and I

687
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,760
pulled that job in Buffalo. It was the only crooked

688
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,480
thing I ever did. I threw him with a couple

689
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:27,559
of boys named Chuck Lewis and Willie Frank. How did

690
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:29,119
you know it's all down here?

691
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: I see you married? Yeah, three years ago. There's your

692
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,159
wife known everything.

693
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Speaker 18: I met her before I was sent up, and she waited, Yes,

694
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,960
that sounds like quite a girl. How is she going

695
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,440
to take this the way she's been taking it all along?

696
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She won't complain, no pratic good. If I were to

697
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,280
forget about this for a while, what could I trust

698
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,199
you not to make me sorry? I'm wearing if you

699
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,199
give me this break, I swear you'll never regret it.

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Speaker 5: I hope not. Okay, fell I'll get back to work.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime,

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