WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:15.560 This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including 2 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:20.839 descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. 3 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:23.399 Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:38.240 Hi, this is Tanya. Hi, this is Shannon, and we 5 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:39.280 are Crimes. 6 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.280 And Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. 7 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:47.600 Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya. You sounds so far away. Then 8 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:48.399 how are you doing? 9 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.840 I am mentally far away, just getting ready for the 10 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:57.119 holidays and making my list and checking it twice. 11 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:01.600 And oh yeah, that this mid decem madness of like, 12 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:05.079 especially if you're hosting people. So you got your menu 13 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.439 and then you got the gifts and you got the decoration. 14 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.560 It's madness, it is, and it's all good. 15 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:11.200 You know. 16 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:16.079 I'm starting a new job. That dad is so crazy. Yeah, 17 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:18.200 so it's you know, I had to give notice at 18 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:19.760 my job and it's just. 19 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:20.319 Been a lot. 20 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.280 So it's a whirlwind in a new year's coming. It's 21 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.159 going to be a year of the horse in the 22 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:29.959 Chinese calendar. That's exciting the horse. So yeah, oh, and 23 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.120 I wanted to tell you before we get started, because 24 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:35.359 I do want to hear your story, natch. Really, but 25 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:39.000 for Thanksgiving, Tanya had brought me over a plate she 26 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:42.280 had hosted, and I am so food motivated. 27 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:44.640 So I was asking her what side er. 28 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.239 Menu, and she told me, and she's like, I'll save 29 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.799 you a plate, and she did and she brought it 30 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:52.319 over and then her and her daughter had made some 31 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.280 apple jam or apple preserves. Let's tell you, Tanya, you 32 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.799 and Ursula, Well that was so good. It was kiss 33 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:05.239 I have carbs are my heroine, right, yes, if in 34 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.800 another world I'm bent over with a bagel in my hand, 35 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:12.800 a half eaten bagel, just out of it. Thank you, 36 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:17.960 my friend, you are welcome. So yes, very good, very good. Now, girl, 37 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:19.240 tell me what story you go? 38 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.080 Oh my god? So yeah, Before I get into it, 39 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.199 I would just like to say hello to Rose. She 40 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:29.039 works with my husband, Hi Rose, and I just wanted 41 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:30.639 to give her a little shout out. She's one of 42 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:33.840 our newest fans. But I would also like to remind 43 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.479 everyone to hit the subscriber follow button on whatever you're 44 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:42.319 listening to. And this story is a local story. It 45 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:49.360 happened in Dearborn Heights and it's just extremely, extremely sad, 46 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:51.360 so as all of our stories. 47 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.159 Yes, all right, I'm check that box, but sure it's sad. 48 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:56.680 Check it's tragic. 49 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:01.680 Check you know so. At first glance, nothing about Dearborn 50 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:06.080 Heights seems extraordinary. The houses on Runyon Street do not 51 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:12.159 announce themselves. They sit close together, modest aging, their facades, 52 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:16.080 softened by time and neglect. In summer, the lawns grow 53 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.439 uneven and stubborn. In winter, the wind moves through the 54 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.800 gaps in chain link fences like a warning no one 55 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.120 has learned to hear. This is not a street that 56 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.879 expects to be remembered. But in the early morning hours 57 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:35.919 of September twenty one, twenty sixteen, that house became ground 58 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.800 zero for a tragedy that would shock a region, expose 59 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.639 systemic blind spots in the justice system, and raise one 60 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:48.319 of the most troubling questions in American crimes. What happens 61 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:53.039 when a convicted killer walks free and then commits murder again. 62 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.919 This is the story of Gregory Green, a man whose 63 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:03.479 capacity for violence was demonstrated once and tragically again. Nothing 64 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:08.520 about Gregory Green's criminal history is subtle. In nineteen ninety two, 65 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.960 he strangled his wife. She was pregnant and her name 66 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:16.279 was Tanya. According to court records, he pleaded no contest 67 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.199 to second degree murder in her death. The details preserved 68 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.480 in court records and police summaries are clinical in the 69 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:28.560 way violence often becomes once it's processed by institutions. Second 70 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:34.600 degree murder, domestic dispute, cause of death, strangulation. But strangulation 71 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:38.560 is not impulsive violence. It is not a single blow 72 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:44.560 thrown in anger. It's sustained. It requires proximity, pressure, and 73 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.439 time long enough for the victim to struggle long enough 74 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:51.879 to understand what is happening, long enough for the perpetrator 75 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.519 to stop and choose not to. Gregory Green was convicted 76 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.199 and sentenced to fifteen to twenty five years in prison. 77 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.519 At the time, the sentence was received as appropriate. There 78 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:07.120 was no public outcry, no sense that justice had failed. 79 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.439 The system did what it was designed to do. It 80 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.040 removed a violent man from society and placed him behind 81 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:17.680 concrete and steel. The story could have ended there, but 82 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.879 prisons do not end stories. They pause them. By the 83 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:27.160 mid two thousands, Michigan's prison system was under pressure overcrowding, 84 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:33.160 budget constraints, and a growing emphasis on rehabilitation shaped parole 85 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:39.519 decisions across the state. Risk assessments became formulas, violence became data. 86 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:44.560 Human behavior was reduced to probability. Gregory Green was not 87 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:50.079 a disciplinary problem behind bars, he completed required programs, He 88 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:55.120 maintained acceptable conduct. He aged out of the demographic most 89 00:05:55.360 --> 00:06:02.399 statistically associated with impulsive violence. On paper, he improved, and paper, 90 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.680 in the end, is what parole boards rely on. In 91 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:11.000 April two thousand and eight, after serving approximately sixteen years 92 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.959 for the murder of his first wife, Gregory was released. 93 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.959 He had been denied parole four times prior, mainly due 94 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:24.079 to concerns over the nature of his violence and apparently 95 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.360 absence of remorse. However, he was eventually released due to 96 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.839 being a model prisoner, and he had letters of support 97 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:38.160 submitted to the parole board from a pastor and family members. 98 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:43.600 There was no public notice, no community warning, no press conference, 99 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.439 just a man stepping back into the world, but the 100 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:50.240 crimes that would define his legacy were yet to come. 101 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:55.600 Upon release, Gregory met Faith Johnson, the daughter of a 102 00:06:55.639 --> 00:07:00.000 local pastor. Friends would later describe her as warm response 103 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:05.560 devoted to her children. She was working, surviving, building a 104 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:09.439 life in a city that rarely made survival easy, and 105 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.839 when Gregory met her, he didn't introduce himself as a murderer. 106 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.120 He introduced himself as someone who had paid his debt. 107 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:22.439 The language of redemption is seductive. It allows people, especially 108 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:26.759 people who want to believe in good outcomes, to imagine 109 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.879 that time alone can sand down the sharpest edges of violence. 110 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.519 Faith believed him. They got married. They built a family. 111 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:40.680 Faith brought two older children into the marriage, nineteen year 112 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:45.759 old Chadney Allen and seventeen year old Kara Allen, and 113 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:50.360 then together Faith and Gregory had two daughters, five year 114 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:54.639 old Coy Green and four year old Kayley Green. Neighbors 115 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.480 described them as quiet, hard working people. In the months 116 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:04.519 before the murders, friends saw nothing outwardly alarming, but private violence, 117 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:08.600 as so often happens, doesn't always reveal. 118 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:09.879 Itself to outsiders. 119 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:14.199 Faith had previously filed for divorce, and records show she 120 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:18.720 had sought a personal protection order in twenty thirteen due 121 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.439 to troubling behavior by Gregory, a petition that was denied 122 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:27.879 under then existing standards of evidence. Still, despite past dangers 123 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:32.360 and attempts to seek protection, the family remained together until 124 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:37.480 the early morning of September twenty one, twenty sixteen. To outsiders, 125 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:40.960 there was nothing remarkable about this family. They looked like 126 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.799 thousands of other families navigating blended households and financial pressure. 127 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.759 Despite past danger and attempts to seek protection. Like I said, 128 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:54.559 the family remained together later, though neighbors would recall tension, 129 00:08:55.279 --> 00:09:01.399 raised voices, doors closing too hard, an atmosphere that felt heavy. 130 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.720 But domestic violence rarely announces itself in ways that feel 131 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:10.679 actionable to outsiders. Communities, particularly in cities like Detroit, are 132 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:14.639 conditioned not to interfere. Police involvement carries its own risks. 133 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:20.360 Silence becomes a form of survival, and so the moments passed. 134 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:25.879 On September twenty first, twenty sixteen, It's early morning, before daylight, 135 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:31.039 and inside the Green home, a quiet violence unfolded. At 136 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.240 around one fifteen am. Gregory Green called nine one one 137 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.559 and calmly reported that he had killed his family. When 138 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.960 officers arrived, he was waiting on his front porch and 139 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.399 was immediately taken into custody. Inside the home, investigators found 140 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:53.519 a scene both methodical and disturbing. Green's two biological daughters, 141 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:59.039 coy H five and Kaylee four, were dead upstairs. Autopsies 142 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.799 showed they had been killed by by carbon monoxide poisoning. 143 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.799 Authorities found evidence a car in the garage had been 144 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.320 rigged to fill with exhaust and a plastic tube connected 145 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.679 to it before The children's bodies were later removed and 146 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:15.799 put back inside the home. In the basement, his two stepchildren, 147 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.679 nineteen year old Chadney and seventeen year old Kara, had 148 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:24.519 been shot execution style. His wife, Faith Green, was found 149 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.639 bound with duct tape and zip ties, cut with a 150 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.720 box cutter, and shot in the foot. Officers described her 151 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:36.360 as conscious but critically injured when they entered. The efficiency 152 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:41.320 and brutality of the killings shocked even seasoned investigators. These 153 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:45.840 were not random acts of rage. They were executions, According 154 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:50.000 to the medical examiner's report. Graory bound and gagged his 155 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.960 wife first and sat her down on the basement couch. 156 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.639 He then shot her in the foot and slashed her 157 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:59.080 across the face several times with a box cutter. Then 158 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.159 he brought a step children, Kara and Chadney, to the 159 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:06.320 basement where Faith was. There, he forced Chadney to tie 160 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:10.720 his sister's wrists with white zip ties and duct tape. Afterward, 161 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.320 Gregory bound Chadney in the same manner and put him 162 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.360 on the floor next to his sister. He then executed 163 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.799 both teens while their mother was forced to watch. Chadney, 164 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.840 who was six foot one and two hundred pounds, he 165 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.759 was wearing pajamas. He also had abrasions on his face 166 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.960 and right foot. His thighs and feet were also bound 167 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.600 with duct tape. He had been shot in the left 168 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.159 ear and twice in the back besides her wrists. Kara, 169 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.080 who was five 't five and one hundred and fourteen pounds, 170 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.200 was bound at the thighs and ankles with duct tape. 171 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:45.840 She had been shot in the top of the head 172 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:49.159 and twice in the back. Each child lost their life 173 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.799 in a different way, but all understood the violence of 174 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:57.840 the same man. They were grandchildren, siblings, teenagers with lives 175 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.679 ahead of them, and children just beginning to understand the world. 176 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:06.919 Their deaths were not just statistics, they were futures stolen. 177 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:12.840 After the killings, Faith Green survived physically and emotionally scarred. 178 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:19.840 At Gregory's sentencing hearing, she delivered a harrowing statement that 179 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:25.279 reverberated far beyond the courtroom walls. Standing before Judge Dana Hathaway, 180 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.720 Faith expressed a grief that was intimate and searing. Quote, 181 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.200 there's no punishment that fits the crime. She said, not 182 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.519 even torture and death would be justice. Your justice will 183 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.559 come when you burn in hell for all eternity for 184 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.440 murdering four innocent children. End quote. Her words were a 185 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:54.039 rare public articulation of personal trauma, Raw, earnest and devastating. 186 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:58.759 She continued quote, you are a con artist, You are 187 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:04.559 a monster. You are a devil in disguise. She conveyed 188 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:09.600 the endearing emotional toll, explaining that the horror had altered 189 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.200 her life in ways that might never heal. When news 190 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:17.440 broke that the suspect was a previously convicted murderer, one 191 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:21.360 who had killed his pregnant wife decades earlier, the story 192 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.559 changed shape. This was no longer just a crime. 193 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:26.120 It was a failure. 194 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.519 One of the most anguished questions that followed the crimes 195 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.440 was not about motive. It was about how could this happen? 196 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:35.000 Twice? 197 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:38.720 The question shifted from what happened to how was this 198 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:43.039 allowed to happen? Gregory Green had not hidden his past. 199 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.840 The system had known exactly who he was. He had 200 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:51.320 already served sixteen years in prison for murdering his first wife. 201 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:55.600 He had been denied parole multiple times before he was released. 202 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:58.480 Then he married the daughter of a pastor who had 203 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.320 advocated for his relief. Yet despite this history and multiple 204 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:08.759 warning signs, including domestic trouble and worse violings, Green was 205 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.559 free to live with his family and ultimately kill again. 206 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.840 This case forced advocates and officials to revisit how parole 207 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:21.679 decisions are made, how evidence of past lethal violence is weighed, 208 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:27.399 and how domestic violence often escalates without effective intervention. In 209 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:32.480 the wake of the murders, Wayne County Prosecutor Kim Worthy said, quote, 210 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:36.600 there is nothing that better illustrates the silence of violence 211 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:41.120 than this case. It was a confluence of events that 212 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.759 led to the deaths of four beautiful children. End quote. 213 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:49.919 The sentiment underscored a sobering truth. Violence does not announce 214 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:53.519 itself all the time, but when it's already killed once, 215 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:59.240 it deserves to be taken seriously. In early twoenty seventeen, 216 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:04.840 Greg pleaded guilty to four counts of second degree murder, torture, 217 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.320 assault with intent to do great bodily harm, and a 218 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:17.000 felony firearms violation. He admitted wrongdoing in the deaths of Coi, Kaylee, Kara, 219 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.759 and Chadney, and the torture and attempted murder of Faith. 220 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.840 Under a plea agreement, Green was sentenced to forty seven 221 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.960 to one hundred and two years in prison, with eligibility 222 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.399 for parole not until he is in his nineties, so 223 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.559 effectively a life term. The sentence reflected not only the 224 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:41.200 brutality of the crime, but also a belated acknowledgment of 225 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:42.519 the risk he posed. 226 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:43.519 Faith. 227 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:48.320 Green's life carries on under the weight of incomprehensible loss. 228 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:53.600 She has spoken publicly about migraines, nightmares, and emotional scars 229 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:57.840 that will never fully fade, realities that extend beyond any 230 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:02.080 prison sentence. Neighbours remember the children as a vibrant and 231 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:08.600 beloved community. Members organized memorials, Friends recalled smiles and birthdays 232 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.799 that should still be happening. The tragedy left a mark 233 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.559 not only on a family, but on how a community 234 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:20.639 thinks about domestic violence, parole policy, and what second chances 235 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:24.960 really cost when they go tragically wrong. Gregory Green will 236 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:28.720 never walk free again. But this story is not just 237 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:33.679 about punishment. It's about the way we weigh hope against evidence, 238 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:40.240 rehabilitation against risk, and optimism against history. When a life 239 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:44.399 is crossed, the darkest threshold once should the system trust 240 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.679 it will never cross it again. Faith Green survived, her 241 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:54.399 children did not. Their names, Coy, Kaylee, Chadney, Kara are 242 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:58.440 not just headlines. They were young lives, full of promise, 243 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.279 erased in a moment of deliberate violence by a man 244 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:06.720 the system had once released. And the question that remains 245 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:11.680 heavy and uncomforting is this how many warnings have to 246 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.160 become tragedies before we learn to listen. This is not 247 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:19.319 a story about monsters. Gregory Green did not evade the system. 248 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:24.400 He complied with it. He completed its requirements, He met 249 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.680 its thresholds, and he was released according to its logic. 250 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.400 That is what makes this case unbearable. The danger was known, 251 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:39.079 the violence was documented, The outcome was predictable. Today, Runyon 252 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:43.400 Street looks like any other Detroit block. Children ride bikes, 253 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:50.000 people mow lawns. Life continues, but places remember, They remember 254 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:55.559 in ways. Humans don't always articulate in the way silence settles, 255 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.799 in the way neighbors avoid looking too long at a 256 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.920 house they know you well. Some stories do not end, 257 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.480 they simply stop being told. Now, Gregory Green will die 258 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.799 in prison. That is the legal conclusion, but the moral 259 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:17.039 conclusion remains unresolved. How many warning signs are enough, how 260 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:21.640 many lives must be lost before pattern outweighs optimism. This 261 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:26.200 was not fate, This was policy, and policy, unlike fate, 262 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:31.200 can be changed. The question is whether anyone will change it. 263 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:33.359 And that my friend. 264 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.160 Tanya, my god. 265 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.839 Now the nineties, right, So he kills his Tanya, his 266 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:46.680 wife or his okay, his wife and their baby in utero, 267 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:51.359 and he gets what seven to fifteen years now. 268 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.319 As I mentioned, sixteen to twenty five. 269 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.680 Oh, sixteen to twenty five, thank you, so he served 270 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.880 fifteen and now sixteen to twenty five. That kind of 271 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.720 does seem like I think of life expand even though 272 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.839 we can live to be a hundred, you know, ninety, 273 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.240 but a thirty year sentence for taking a life you 274 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.200 know the bulk, Okay, I can kind of. But what 275 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:14.920 he was able to get out and prey on a 276 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.279 woman who uses you know, who lives probably I don't 277 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.000 know faith, but it sounds like a woman who walks 278 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.519 by faith and she're a daughter of the preacher. Yeah, 279 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.279 so she's gonna walk her talk, yeah, and I should. 280 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.200 He wants to see the good in people, you know, 281 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.759 the being able to have a redemption like you know, 282 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:38.720 people deserve a chance, people deserve the opportunity to redeem themselves. 283 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:43.039 So I'm sure he was a redemption story. 284 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:45.960 You know, she probably wanted to help him be the 285 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.160 hero of his own story. As you know, a lot 286 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.079 of people men and women do for their partners that 287 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.759 aren't very good for them. They in whatever, I don't 288 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.440 think like for him to be on parole, so he 289 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:02.920 has no remorse, and this is why he gets denied 290 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.920 four times. But what I find so wild is when 291 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.720 Faith was filing her restraining order, she couldn't get one. 292 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:17.559 A past murderer, his record alone, his violence isn't my 293 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.720 free pass to get a restraining order. 294 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.839 I know just from being a lawyer. I don't do 295 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.680 a lot of criminal cases and stuff, but I have been, 296 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.319 you know, adjacent to people who have needed the personal 297 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:34.279 protection order and stuff. And the law says you have 298 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:39.079 to be an immediate danger. So if you can't show 299 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:45.599 immediate danger, and what exactly does that mean, then your 300 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.000 ppo might not be granted. And I tell people all 301 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:53.359 the time, the law is reactive, it's not proactive. And 302 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:58.200 that's one of the problems of the story is that Okay, 303 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:01.680 we had the reaction. He killed his wife, he went 304 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:06.400 to prison, that was the proper reaction. Only now he 305 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:11.319 gets let out and there's really nothing done to be proactive. 306 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:13.799 And like you said, she goes and tries to get 307 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:17.519 this protection order. And the fact that I'm married to 308 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.720 somebody that murdered his wife and I'm his wife, now, 309 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:21.359 like that should be. 310 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:23.160 Enough, right, thank you. 311 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.000 I don't hear what he did, right, Like, I don't 312 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:27.920 care if he put a gun in her face or 313 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.000 if he just said I'm gonna kill you bitch. What 314 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.759 is the immediate danger? I think the immediate danger is 315 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.640 living with a man that killed his wife, and now 316 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.039 you're exhibiting violence toward me. 317 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:41.759 Huh huh No, that's I mean. 318 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.759 I feel terrible because to me, the story, you know, 319 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.279 faith sounded like you said, she lives in faith. I'm 320 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:53.000 sure she believes in I'm sure she's a Christian, and 321 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.160 she believes in people trying to find the good in people. 322 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:58.839 And she loved him, you know, she had kids with him, 323 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:02.119 They had this life. And I know people that have 324 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:07.440 been in domestic violence relationships like, okay, it'll never happen again. 325 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.279 You know, you get an apology, You get a sincere 326 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.839 what seems to be apology. You know, I promise I'll 327 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.960 do better next time. You know, I'm sure she wanted 328 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:17.720 to believe him. 329 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.359 You don't stay and try to work it out. 330 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.240 You don't drop the divorce to try again if you 331 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.200 don't really want it right or you know, or have 332 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.799 at least some kind of game plan to you know, succeed. 333 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:32.880 We don't make up things so we really dive bomb, 334 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.079 you know, we make it up so we can make 335 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:39.519 it through. And for him to tie her up and 336 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.119 kill her kids in front of her is, Yes, the 337 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:46.799 most diabolical thing right up there, right up there with 338 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:51.200 Judas kiss. Yeah, the lowest, lowest level of hell there 339 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:55.119 is one. He's fucking going, what a piece of shit? 340 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.799 And I say, there should be like maybe some things where, 341 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.000 you know, the rage rooms that they have, maybe we 342 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.960 have rage prisoner like rage beatings of prisoners like I 343 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.160 don't know you, I've heard what you did, and I 344 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.160 like to enter the ring with me. 345 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.920 I know, I wish should we in this kind of 346 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:17.480 justice sometimes? You know, Yeah, it's it's part of the whole. 347 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.079 No cruel and unusual punishment is loud, you know, it's 348 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:25.359 it's unfortunately a constitutional right we all have. So all 349 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.400 of the vigilanti justice that happens in prison has to happen, 350 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:29.599 you know, off the record. 351 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:35.599 Yes, it other prisoners. It's heartbreaking. It's a's ziabolical, it's 352 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:36.519 so cruel. 353 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.519 Yeah, and you know he he had to think about that. 354 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:44.599 Oh he has he had gotten saying yeah, houstdon't wake 355 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:46.559 up that night and be like, Okay, I'm just gonna 356 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:47.960 kill everybody and then kill everybody. 357 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:53.480 No, he was methodical. He took the older kid, you know, 358 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:54.839 he took her first. 359 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.680 Oh, having the kids tie, having you one tie that 360 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:02.920 is terrible. Not alone Koy and Kaylee in the car, 361 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.960 just so cowardice. Yes, it's just I don't understand that. 362 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.759 Like I try to get in his brain and it's 363 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:13.519 just fucking jumbled, and you just want to you know, 364 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:14.039 why are you? 365 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:15.319 I always why are you here? 366 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:16.759 I know what? 367 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:18.240 But it's like one thing too. 368 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.519 I would imagine it's one thing to strangle someone, Like 369 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:25.920 if I strangled someone, I was upset to death. 370 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:28.079 Right, but now you have fetus. 371 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:32.319 That's also a part of this package, the unborn child 372 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:37.279 right that should make you off limits, like sacred somehow 373 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.759 if you weren't sacred in the sight of the person 374 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.640 before you, carrying another life should make you super sacred, 375 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.720 right some kind of And Nope, he just is went 376 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.119 and did them both in one thing. It is time 377 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:57.119 came out, no feeling played a woman. How terrible, Tanya, 378 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.720 this is terrible. And I used to live in Dearborners, 379 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.640 dear Born in Dearborne Heights. Yeah, I loved Dearborn. I 380 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.880 absolutely love Dearborn. I don't really know about Dearborn Heights 381 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:12.240 as much, but the community, that darkness. I always tell Brooke, 382 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.519 I'll be like, look at that house. I wonder what 383 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:15.559 really goes on in there. 384 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:18.680 I know it's true. 385 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.880 Yeah, you just never know the evil that lurks behind 386 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:23.519 the door. 387 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:27.640 And doing this podcast, I remember I went to my 388 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.559 parents' house and my dad had the front door open, 389 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:31.519 and I was. 390 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.440 Like, I am the door open. You know. 391 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:35.759 We just did a story where the family, you know, 392 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:36.960 and I started going off. 393 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.680 I'm like, never do this, don't do this. 394 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.799 Oh, I know, I am such a I am such 395 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.920 soso paranoid, you know. I mean, I consider like my 396 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.359 neighborhood relatively safe, but my doors are always fucking locked. 397 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:52.119 I see the alarm system on my house. If my 398 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.720 alarm is on and you crack a window, it's going off, right, 399 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.920 So I mean, you know, I think like hammers around 400 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.920 my house, all the cameras I have around the house, 401 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.599