WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.919 I totally understand, and I think Iran's really bad, but 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.160 a war with Iran is not, you know, is something 3 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:07.240 that could really. 4 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:07.799 Hurt our country. 5 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:11.359 I mean, boy, that was an unpopular position. Spray didn't 6 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:15.279 need to express it. I cannot overstate the amount of 7 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:20.039 attacks he took privately over this, like absolutely for real, 8 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.079 And having lived in Washington most of my life and 9 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.480 seeing people run nonprofits, I've never met one who was 10 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:28.399 willing stand up is too strong. He wasn't confrontational, but 11 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:29.920 he would just say no, I'm sorry that you feel 12 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:31.839 that way, but I think this is the right thing. 13 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.240 The people we represent, which is mostly young people, they 14 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.799 believe this, and I believe it also. It was it 15 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:42.520 was brave but loving at the same time. And I'm 16 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:44.000 not sure he made a lot of headway by the way. 17 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.840 I mean, I think he made real enemies in doing that. 18 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.000 Before I get started to day, I want to kind 19 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.520 of address some of the responses that I got to 20 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:54.960 my interview of Harrison Smith. First off, you know, fifteen 21 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:58.000 sixteen thousand people have watched it so far, and I 22 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.600 think there's been five hundred commons and maybe two that 23 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.679 were negative, So by and large, I think people understand 24 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.280 my motivations in this, but I want to make them 25 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:09.200 explicit for those that are questioning why I'm doing this 26 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:12.359 and what I'm doing here. So today's episode is going 27 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:16.439 to be unpacking who had motivations to take Charlie Kirk's life, 28 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:21.879 and I'm going to try and look from a purely 29 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.719 investigatory standpoint. It's important that we keep an open mind 30 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.000 and we acknowledge that there are many people who had 31 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:34.200 motivations to see Charlie Kirk killed. So that's what I'm 32 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.239 doing now, taking this down to a personal level. I 33 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:40.719 had only met Charlie Kirk I think twice, didn't know 34 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.920 him very well at all, hardly at all, so this 35 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:48.359 is not like a personal matter to me in that regard. However, 36 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.920 I do view him as a colleague. I view him 37 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.079 as someone who walked in the same footsteps or the 38 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:59.799 same path that I am currently. And while certainly his 39 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.120 ohs were much bigger than mine in terms of following 40 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:04.719 and reach and everything else, and duration that he had 41 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.680 been doing it, he had been doing it for thirteen years. 42 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.599 I've been doing it for five now, so he's miles 43 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.240 ahead of me. And I'm not trying to you know, 44 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.120 put myself up on his level by any stretch, But 45 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.719 I am saying I still viewed him as a colleague, 46 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.520 and perhaps even more importantly, I view him as a 47 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.919 kind of Canarian the coal mine for the dangers that 48 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.280 people that I really do know in this industry well 49 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:33.039 and love could be jeopardized if justice is not found 50 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:37.639 rapidly on behalf of him and his family. So well, 51 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.439 you know, primary concern obviously is justice for Charlie Kirk. 52 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:45.199 It's justice for his family, for his children, who, by 53 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.879 the way, worst story I think, like the thing that 54 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.840 finally tipped me over into tears was hearing that his children, 55 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:55.520 who were present at the assassination ran towards him during 56 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.080 it because they were scared of the gunshots. And that's 57 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.199 I mean, it's just too much. It's too much to 58 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.800 even consider, it's too much to think about. But so yes, 59 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.680 number one, justice for him and his family. That's paramount. Additionally, 60 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:16.840 it's very perilous times for people in my world. You know, 61 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.919 I'm very good friends with Dave Smith and Temple. Dave 62 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:26.039 Smith has been circulating in this narrative, this conversation, especially 63 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.319 those that believe that Charlie Kirk's life was taken as 64 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:32.719 a consequence of him allegedly turning against Israel and Charlie 65 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:36.479 having Dave Smith at a turning point USA event to 66 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:41.319 debate against Josh Hammer as to whether or not Israel 67 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.759 is our greatest ally or I'm not exactly sure what 68 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.840 the topic was. I did watch the debate and allegedly, 69 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.599 like the biggest inflection point in terms of this is 70 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.199 what Candice Owens is saying Cernovich others. I'm gonna show 71 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:55.639 you the receipts so you'll don't have to take my 72 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:59.199 word for it that he had been his opinion had 73 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.800 been shifting, as evidenced by also, just days prior to 74 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:06.120 the attack, his interview with Ben Shapiro where he's asking 75 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:10.000 fairly challenging questions about America and Israeli relations. 76 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:11.479 I'm going to unpack all that. 77 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.960 Let me just start by saying, it's not as if 78 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.439 I'm convinced by any stretch of the imagination that Israel 79 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.680 is responsible for this. I do believe strongly that they 80 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.279 could have an incentive to want to see him dead, 81 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:25.800 and I do think that regardless of whether or not 82 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:28.360 they were involved, they are responding in a way in 83 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:32.680 which they are taking advantage of the circumstances. The situation 84 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:35.959 similar to whether or not you believe nine to eleven 85 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:41.480 was an inside job. There was still obvious capitalization by 86 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.480 entities within our government and foreign governments to get us 87 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.079 to do things that we otherwise would not have done, 88 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:49.839 and we're not to our benefit in the moment of 89 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:53.279 crisis and in the aftermath therein. And I feel like 90 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.519 that's a very similar thing that's happening today passing additional 91 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:57.759 laws against bds, etc. 92 00:04:57.959 --> 00:04:58.160 Etc. 93 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.639 We're going to unpack all that. There's a lot to 94 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.720 cover here. However, let me start by saying there's a 95 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:09.439 distinct possibility that the FBI narrative is accurate, that in fact, 96 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.720 the man who is accused or alleged to have taken 97 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:17.360 Charlie Kirk's life acted alone, and he's a lone lunatic. 98 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.800 The latest reporting this morning is that he was shacked 99 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:25.959 up with some male to female transitioning person and maybe 100 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:28.120 that's all the motivation in the world he needed. 101 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.600 I don't know. You don't know either. 102 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:35.240 So for those that are upset that I'm asking questions 103 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.120 about this story, that I'm trying to get to the 104 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.399 truth that I'm really interested in justice on this. This 105 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.600 may not be the episode for you. I am sincere 106 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.439 in my desire to find out the truth about this. 107 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.120 It matters a fuck of a lot. So if you 108 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:55.759 think that I'm using this for any nefarious purposes, that 109 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.319 I'm trying to cast dispersions towards Israel unnecessarily, that is 110 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.680 not what's happening. I am genuinely interested in the truth, 111 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.720 and I am genuinely interested in trust justice. And I 112 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:09.680 apologize for the lengthy monologue to open this episode, but 113 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:11.839 I think it's really important that people understand where I'm 114 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.079 coming from on this, because I do not want to 115 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.360 make false accusations. I don't, but I do want to 116 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:19.680 know the truth, and I do not trust the FBI, 117 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:21.560 and I do not trust the government to give us 118 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:22.199 those answers. 119 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:25.680 Correct. Yes, yes, So. 120 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.639 When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, 121 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.079 and then he changes clothing on the roof and then 122 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:37.680 changed back into that clothing at some point, so that 123 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.839 when when he was when he was apprehended, when he 124 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.120 when he was arrested, the clothing matched the clothing he 125 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.920 had on before the shooting here at UVU. 126 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.079 So it is incumbent upon me and those in my 127 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.839 industry and you at home to do the work to 128 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.199 find out what really happened and to not accept just 129 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.759 you know, cookie cutter handed to you narratives as if 130 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.639 they're the gospel, because they're probably not. As we've seen, 131 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:06.879 they've already taken in multiple people into custody and then 132 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.600 released them in the first first day, so that could 133 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:10.959 be a similar situation here. 134 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:11.839 We don't know yet. 135 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.199 I'm going to unpack everything for you, and I want 136 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.360 you to decide for yourself. If you think that I'm 137 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.160 grasping its straws, fine, come to that conclusion. I'm okay 138 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.759 with that. Until then, I'm going to keep digging, and 139 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.240 for those that are interested in that, let's go along 140 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.279 for the journ So, just so you understand how I 141 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.959 analyze things, I tend to start with the official narrative 142 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.120 and then I work backwards from there. So if the 143 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.759 official narrative satisfies me as to its accuracy, I don't 144 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.160 really have to work much backwards because I've already been 145 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.800 convinced that, yes, this does look adequate. Like if you have, 146 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:46.839 for instance, the episode I did three or four days 147 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.279 ago with the poor girl who got attacked by that 148 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.519 man on the train. I'll just leave it at that. 149 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:53.879 You don't need to convince me as to what happened there. 150 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:57.560 Video evidence kind of an open and closed case. Right 151 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:02.759 With this it is much much more convoluted. And I 152 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:04.839 still think that it's important though, that we start with 153 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.959 the official narrative and mel village crazy lady on X. 154 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:11.639 Don't let her handle fool it. She actually does really 155 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.519 good investigative work. This is her recap of what we 156 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.879 know so far. This is as of about noon today. 157 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.839 The story right now is that Robinson drove his vehicle, 158 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.639 a Great Dodge Challenger, onto campus at eight twenty nine am. 159 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.519 He parked his vehicle on campus, He gets out of 160 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.639 his vehicle on campus wearing completely different clothes, and he 161 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.120 then disappears for three hours and twenty minutes until he 162 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.200 re emerges off campus on a ring doorbell from a 163 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:39.159 neighborhood next to campus at eleven forty nine am. At 164 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.159 this point, he's wearing a totally new outfit, having changed 165 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.960 everything including his shoes, and he's now walking with a gate, 166 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.879 presumably because he has a rifle shoved down his pants 167 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:50.240 and a backpack on his back. I'm not going to 168 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.759 show the footage, but there is footage. It looks like 169 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.320 from a ring doorbell, as she says, and he's walking 170 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.279 what looks like with a limp or like with a 171 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:00.759 stiff leg, and allegedly we have to assume that that's 172 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.039 because he had the rifle down his pants, which is 173 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:07.919 a really suspicious way to do this, she continues. He 174 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.399 crosses back on a campus at eleven fifty am, goes 175 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:12.639 up the stairs of a parking garage at eleven fifty 176 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:14.799 three am, where we again lose track of him until 177 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.799 twelve oh two. He enters the Lossy Center building, which 178 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.720 is a large student center, and hangs out for thirteen minutes, 179 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:23.799 presumably with the giant rifle down his pants, and then 180 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:26.879 climbs the stairs towards the roof at approximately twelve fifteen. 181 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.240 At twelve twenty two, he gets into the prone position, 182 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.159 flat on his stomach, on the corner of the roof 183 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.679 of the building, directly across from where Kirk was speaking. 184 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:35.879 At twelve twenty three, he fires a single shot that 185 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.240 hits Kirk. He then immediately gets up and runs across 186 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.279 the rooftop to the far south corner where he flings 187 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.600 something to the ground which looks like a backpack, and 188 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:45.840 he then jumps off the roof, picks up the bag, 189 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.480 and runs back across the road and into a wooded 190 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.639 area that backs up to the neighborhood adjacent to the 191 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.240 first neighborhood he emerged from in the ring doorbell at 192 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.080 forty nine am. This is where he's a gun. He 193 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.279 then disappears again. He does, however, return to his vehicle, 194 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:01.519 which is presumab he still parked on campus, and then 195 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.840 drives it home two hundred and fifty miles away. We 196 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.360 know this because news reports note the car and the 197 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.799 family driveway after his arrest. What else do we know, Well, 198 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.279 according to Fox News, there's reports that he was shacked 199 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:16.600 up with a male to female transitioning man, woman whatever. 200 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.320 I don't know, and that could be his motivation. So 201 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:26.279 you have all of the unusual information when it comes 202 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.919 to the events of that day, including the fact that 203 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.200 if you look at the footage of him jumping from 204 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.159 the rooftop, it is not evident that he's carrying a rifle. 205 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.799 It's not impossible that he was carrying it, but it's 206 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.840 a large gun and I don't see it personally, so 207 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.360 it looks to me like a bag. The narrative from 208 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.600 the FBI is that it's a gun covered in a towel, 209 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.039 because that's how they discovered it in the woods. Well, 210 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.519 it doesn't. It looks like it's floppy. It does not 211 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.639 look stiff like a gun. I've been around guns. It 212 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:57.120 doesn't look as if he's got the gun when he 213 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:02.360 jumps off that roof. Very very odd. So setting that aside, 214 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:04.960 just take for a second that, in fact, that is 215 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.799 the firearm. And then he, despite fleeing with it, he 216 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:10.759 then ditches it in the woods, which is a weird 217 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.639 thing to do because why would you do that? 218 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:14.879 But also he dishes his car. 219 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.240 But then he comes back to his car, So he 220 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.320 comes back to the scene of the crime, gets into 221 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.320 his vehicle, drives a couple hundred miles home, and then 222 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:27.679 confesses to his father. After some dispute and debate with 223 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.279 his dad, he ends up turning himself in. His dad 224 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.799 was like a sheriff, and his dad calls their pastor, 225 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.919 and I guess they convince this guy to turn himself in. 226 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:38.279 That's the story. 227 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.399 So he pulls off this kind of miraculous and this 228 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.879 is all setting aside the fact that there's a lot 229 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.039 of mixed reporting. I've seen coverage and close people to 230 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.080 Charlie Kirk's circle who say that, yes, he did have 231 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.240 body armor on. But then I look at the photos 232 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:54.840 and it doesn't look to me as if he has 233 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:57.240 body armor on. He's got a very thin shirt on, 234 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:00.639 and I would see it most likely if it's the 235 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.000 most low profile armor you've ever seen in your life. 236 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.120 I can't show you this, unfortunately, because it would get 237 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:09.360 this video pulled down. But there is slow motion footage 238 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:14.440 of the attack, and in it there is immense compression 239 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.960 that ripples across his T shirt that looks as if 240 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.879 there's body armor on. So that's why I thought that 241 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:23.759 there was, and I think that's what I told Harrison 242 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:25.919 when I had him on, is that I thought that 243 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:29.559 the bullet hit the surface area just at the tip 244 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:32.399 of the body armor that would not have enough surface 245 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:35.519 area to actually stop the round, but instead redirected it 246 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:40.120 which tragically entered his neck. So again, maybe that's what happened, 247 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.600 maybe it isn't. But what I'm saying is I'm setting 248 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.480 all of that aside, all of the weirdness with that 249 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.200 the fact that this guy, Oh, by the way, his 250 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:48.720 grandma says, he's never own a firearm. 251 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:49.720 Okay, odd. 252 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.720 He also comes from a very conservative family, seems like 253 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.559 a decent kid until a few years ago, and then 254 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.679 is radicalized to doing something like this. Now, all of 255 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:03.200 that's possible. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying, 256 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:07.200 is are you satisfied with the story so far? I 257 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:07.919 personally am not. 258 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:08.639 Now. 259 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:11.480 I think there's probably a fifty to fifty chance that 260 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.879 that that's all accurate, that in fact, he will acted alone. 261 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.399 And you know, maybe he had some people through discorder 262 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.039 whatever that he was orchestrating with, and hopefully they'll be 263 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.840 rounded up and prosecuted too. But in terms of like 264 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:25.960 not there being a bigger plot, intelligence agency involvement, nefarious 265 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:29.200 things to that nature, maybe maybe I don't know. I'm 266 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:30.919 not going to say that that's not true. I just 267 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.440 don't know. So this is the reason I'm digging deeper. 268 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:35.960 This is the reason I'm looking for additional people with motivations. 269 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.519 And let's be honest, there are a lot of people 270 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:40.759 that have motivations. So let's start with the basic ones. 271 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.320 These are the questions that Charlie Cook asked of Ben 272 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.240 Shapiro the day before his assassination, Make of it what 273 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:46.639 you will. 274 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.120 So we're on team civilization here. We want to see 275 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:54.960 the maniacs of Hamas be defeated. So we've seen news 276 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.440 this morning that quite honestly, I'm a little confused by, 277 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:59.240 and I was hoping you could navigate it and help 278 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:04.159 us understand, which is that Israel bombed Qatar, which houses 279 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:05.600 a lot of Hamas officials. 280 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.919 What happened here? And if I were to introduce. 281 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:13.080 Just this skeptical question, will this potentially endanger America's own 282 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:15.039 interest in the Middle least? So please, Ben, help me 283 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:20.279 better understand the situation. I just spent time in Japan, 284 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:22.679 and one of the things that kind of looms over 285 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:27.559 Japan is that Japan they engage in an unconditional surrender, 286 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.879 that they said we're done and they laid down their arms, 287 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.639 obviously after the two tomic bombs. Very controversial. People have 288 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.679 mixed opinions on it. I certainly do, But that is 289 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.240 unconditional surrender. Is that what Israel is aiming for here? 290 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.080 I suppose that is a question that I get a 291 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.279 lot on campus. What does success look like? Because I 292 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.159 think we could all agree a long war is not 293 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.480 good for Israel, a long drawn out war, and we're 294 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:57.200 now ending, we're coming towards two years in about a month, 295 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.799 so it's been about twenty three months. So what does 296 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:06.039 ultimate success look like in the Gaza strip? What other 297 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:10.799 feedback or criticism would you have about this situation. I 298 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.559 know that it's impossible for anyone to listen to everything 299 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:17.720 that you ever say, but looking at this from a 300 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:21.039 American perspective, what else would you say things could have 301 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.039 been handled differently? Maybe on the pr front, maybe also 302 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.799 just on a conduct front. Where would you say, as 303 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:33.440 an outsider, things that could have been handled better, more efficiently, 304 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.840 or with more precision. A claim I receive often, and 305 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:40.240 we're starting our campus tour tomorrow is that Israel is 306 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:45.759 committing genocide. How do you respond to that? Though, author 307 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.639 that Ben she your author of Lions and Scavengers, are 308 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:50.000 going to get that in a second. I have one 309 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:51.720 or two other questions and Israel I think it's very 310 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.279 important for audience to hear this though, because there is 311 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:59.840 an incessant campaign and one thing a friends send to me, interestingly, 312 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.039 which is okay, Charlie, we pushed backed against the media, 313 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:09.120 on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border. So 314 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.919 maybe we should also ask a question, is the media 315 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.000 totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? 316 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:14.679 Just a question? 317 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.679 You know that maybe we shouldn't believe everything the media says, 318 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.879 because I know I've been conditioned to ask a lot 319 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.840 more critical questions over the last couple of years. So, Ben, 320 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.720 some people would accuse Israel of wanting to ethnically cleanse. 321 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.240 Some people in the Israeli government are saying again, it's 322 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.279 all over the place, right, you have opinions all over. 323 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.039 In your opinion, what would a good outcome five years 324 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.720 from now be, and how does one respond to the 325 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:45.039 claims of ethnic cleansing. We're running out of time here, 326 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.399 But just last question on this, Ben. I know this 327 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.279 might be a tougher question, but Bbie said, quote, I 328 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:52.159 didn't like what you said this. 329 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:52.799 I'll be honest. 330 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.919 You can't be maga if you're anti Israel. I don't 331 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.960 like it for a couple of reasons. How did you analyze. 332 00:16:58.559 --> 00:16:59.279 That statement from me? 333 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.480 And it is totally fine to stay to people who 334 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.519 wish to destroy our civilization know your values suck and 335 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:06.480 they don't belong here. 336 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:19.160 Where does all this resentment come from. 337 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.559 Here's what Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin had to say 338 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:23.000 three days before the attack. 339 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:25.640 We you and I have people who we thought were 340 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:30.680 conservatives sound a lot like the Marxist Islamis who were attending. 341 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.920 This event last week, don't they. I think it's exactly right. 342 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.039 Unfortunately, there's a grievance culture that has become the dominant 343 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.000 strain on the left that says that all people in 344 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.720 the world who are poor, who have bad lives, that 345 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:44.240 is the fault of the West, that is the fault 346 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:46.559 of Israel, It's the fault of capitalism, it's the fault 347 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:49.440 of the Jews, it's the fault of anyone except for themselves. 348 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.079 They have no agency, and thus all the systems must 349 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.079 be torn down from the rooftops all the way down 350 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.599 to the ground. And you see that sort of mirrored 351 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:59.599 on a weird horseshop part of the right that is 352 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:01.720 now our doing sort of the same thing. That the 353 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.279 problem is that people have are intractable, that there's a 354 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.839 shadowy group that's manipulating all of this, that America actually 355 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.279 was never great, America was wrong in World War Two, 356 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.920 America never landed on the moon, and these kind of 357 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.400 two forces are now bizarrely joining hands in the middle. 358 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:16.160 It's very strange. 359 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.119 Do you think there's enough of an effort to push back. 360 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.839 They sort of sprinkle these events with these kooks. They 361 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.759 sprinkle these events with these American haters who claim to 362 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.559 be American firsters and are fake MAGA and even stab 363 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:31.680 the president in the back. 364 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:32.279 Yeah. 365 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.240 I mean, I think it's definitely an attempt by some 366 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.079 of these organizations to quote unquote maintained the big tents. 367 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.720 But the reality is that, as many have said, the 368 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:41.519 problem with a big tents is that you may end 369 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.119 up with many, many clowns inside. And the most fundamental 370 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.920 thing is that just because you're saying somebody votes Republican, 371 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.000 that does not mean that they ought to be the 372 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:51.920 preacher at the front of the church. They're not the 373 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:53.759 person who ought to be leading the movement if they 374 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.359 are spending all day criticizing the presidents of the United 375 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.480 States as covering up a Masad rape ring or being 376 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:01.839 a tool of these Raelies for hitting in Irani a 377 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.079 nuclear facility. I think he has said literally his entire 378 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:06.039 career that he was going to do. 379 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.599 Now here's what Candice Owens had to say about some 380 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.160 of Charlie's alleged friends and their response after the attack. 381 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:16.079 I think, yeah, in the end, Charlie, Charlie was going 382 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:18.720 through spiritual transformation. I don't think it, I know it. 383 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.240 He was going through a lot, and there was a 384 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.960 lot of pressure. And it's hard for me to watch 385 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:28.640 the people who were pressuring him. I don't know, just 386 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:30.599 say the things that they're saying, you know. I just 387 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:33.960 there's something about it that just feels really fake. Feels 388 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:37.839 really fake to me. And they would have allowed him 389 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:43.200 to lose and wanted him to lose everything for changing 390 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.119 or even slightly modifying an opinion, and then to see 391 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.839 them doing what they're doing today, it's hurtful to me. 392 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:50.000 It's very heartful to me. 393 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.440 Now here's what Erica Kirk, Charlie's wife, had to say 394 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:55.279 just last night. 395 00:19:55.359 --> 00:20:00.559 The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea 396 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:04.279 what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached 397 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.200 a message of patriots's faith and of God's merciful love. 398 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:09.400 They should all know this. 399 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:13.599 If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, 400 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.559 you have no idea You have no idea what you 401 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.920