Speaker 1: I totally understand, and I think Iran's really bad, but
Speaker 1: a war with Iran is not, you know, is something
Speaker 1: that could really.
Speaker 2: Hurt our country.
Speaker 1: I mean, boy, that was an unpopular position. Spray didn't
Speaker 1: need to express it. I cannot overstate the amount of
Speaker 1: attacks he took privately over this, like absolutely for real,
Speaker 1: And having lived in Washington most of my life and
Speaker 1: seeing people run nonprofits, I've never met one who was
Speaker 1: willing stand up is too strong. He wasn't confrontational, but
Speaker 1: he would just say no, I'm sorry that you feel
Speaker 1: that way, but I think this is the right thing.
Speaker 1: The people we represent, which is mostly young people, they
Speaker 1: believe this, and I believe it also. It was it
Speaker 1: was brave but loving at the same time. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he made a lot of headway by the way.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he made real enemies in doing that.
Speaker 3: Before I get started to day, I want to kind
Speaker 3: of address some of the responses that I got to
Speaker 3: my interview of Harrison Smith. First off, you know, fifteen
Speaker 3: sixteen thousand people have watched it so far, and I
Speaker 3: think there's been five hundred commons and maybe two that
Speaker 3: were negative, So by and large, I think people understand
Speaker 3: my motivations in this, but I want to make them
Speaker 3: explicit for those that are questioning why I'm doing this
Speaker 3: and what I'm doing here. So today's episode is going
Speaker 3: to be unpacking who had motivations to take Charlie Kirk's life,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to try and look from a purely
Speaker 3: investigatory standpoint. It's important that we keep an open mind
Speaker 3: and we acknowledge that there are many people who had
Speaker 3: motivations to see Charlie Kirk killed. So that's what I'm
Speaker 3: doing now, taking this down to a personal level. I
Speaker 3: had only met Charlie Kirk I think twice, didn't know
Speaker 3: him very well at all, hardly at all, so this
Speaker 3: is not like a personal matter to me in that regard. However,
Speaker 3: I do view him as a colleague. I view him
Speaker 3: as someone who walked in the same footsteps or the
Speaker 3: same path that I am currently. And while certainly his
Speaker 3: ohs were much bigger than mine in terms of following
Speaker 3: and reach and everything else, and duration that he had
Speaker 3: been doing it, he had been doing it for thirteen years.
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for five now, so he's miles
Speaker 3: ahead of me. And I'm not trying to you know,
Speaker 3: put myself up on his level by any stretch, But
Speaker 3: I am saying I still viewed him as a colleague,
Speaker 3: and perhaps even more importantly, I view him as a
Speaker 3: kind of Canarian the coal mine for the dangers that
Speaker 3: people that I really do know in this industry well
Speaker 3: and love could be jeopardized if justice is not found
Speaker 3: rapidly on behalf of him and his family. So well,
Speaker 3: you know, primary concern obviously is justice for Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: It's justice for his family, for his children, who, by
Speaker 3: the way, worst story I think, like the thing that
Speaker 3: finally tipped me over into tears was hearing that his children,
Speaker 3: who were present at the assassination ran towards him during
Speaker 3: it because they were scared of the gunshots. And that's
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just too much. It's too much to
Speaker 3: even consider, it's too much to think about. But so yes,
Speaker 3: number one, justice for him and his family. That's paramount. Additionally,
Speaker 3: it's very perilous times for people in my world. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm very good friends with Dave Smith and Temple. Dave
Speaker 3: Smith has been circulating in this narrative, this conversation, especially
Speaker 3: those that believe that Charlie Kirk's life was taken as
Speaker 3: a consequence of him allegedly turning against Israel and Charlie
Speaker 3: having Dave Smith at a turning point USA event to
Speaker 3: debate against Josh Hammer as to whether or not Israel
Speaker 3: is our greatest ally or I'm not exactly sure what
Speaker 3: the topic was. I did watch the debate and allegedly,
Speaker 3: like the biggest inflection point in terms of this is
Speaker 3: what Candice Owens is saying Cernovich others. I'm gonna show
Speaker 3: you the receipts so you'll don't have to take my
Speaker 3: word for it that he had been his opinion had
Speaker 3: been shifting, as evidenced by also, just days prior to
Speaker 3: the attack, his interview with Ben Shapiro where he's asking
Speaker 3: fairly challenging questions about America and Israeli relations.
Speaker 2: I'm going to unpack all that.
Speaker 3: Let me just start by saying, it's not as if
Speaker 3: I'm convinced by any stretch of the imagination that Israel
Speaker 3: is responsible for this. I do believe strongly that they
Speaker 3: could have an incentive to want to see him dead,
Speaker 3: and I do think that regardless of whether or not
Speaker 3: they were involved, they are responding in a way in
Speaker 3: which they are taking advantage of the circumstances. The situation
Speaker 3: similar to whether or not you believe nine to eleven
Speaker 3: was an inside job. There was still obvious capitalization by
Speaker 3: entities within our government and foreign governments to get us
Speaker 3: to do things that we otherwise would not have done,
Speaker 3: and we're not to our benefit in the moment of
Speaker 3: crisis and in the aftermath therein. And I feel like
Speaker 3: that's a very similar thing that's happening today passing additional
Speaker 3: laws against bds, etc.
Speaker 2: Etc.
Speaker 3: We're going to unpack all that. There's a lot to
Speaker 3: cover here. However, let me start by saying there's a
Speaker 3: distinct possibility that the FBI narrative is accurate, that in fact,
Speaker 3: the man who is accused or alleged to have taken
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's life acted alone, and he's a lone lunatic.
Speaker 3: The latest reporting this morning is that he was shacked
Speaker 3: up with some male to female transitioning person and maybe
Speaker 3: that's all the motivation in the world he needed.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't know either.
Speaker 3: So for those that are upset that I'm asking questions
Speaker 3: about this story, that I'm trying to get to the
Speaker 3: truth that I'm really interested in justice on this. This
Speaker 3: may not be the episode for you. I am sincere
Speaker 3: in my desire to find out the truth about this.
Speaker 3: It matters a fuck of a lot. So if you
Speaker 3: think that I'm using this for any nefarious purposes, that
Speaker 3: I'm trying to cast dispersions towards Israel unnecessarily, that is
Speaker 3: not what's happening. I am genuinely interested in the truth,
Speaker 3: and I am genuinely interested in trust justice. And I
Speaker 3: apologize for the lengthy monologue to open this episode, but
Speaker 3: I think it's really important that people understand where I'm
Speaker 3: coming from on this, because I do not want to
Speaker 3: make false accusations. I don't, but I do want to
Speaker 3: know the truth, and I do not trust the FBI,
Speaker 3: and I do not trust the government to give us
Speaker 3: those answers.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yes, yes, So.
Speaker 4: When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on,
Speaker 4: and then he changes clothing on the roof and then
Speaker 4: changed back into that clothing at some point, so that
Speaker 4: when when he was when he was apprehended, when he
Speaker 4: when he was arrested, the clothing matched the clothing he
Speaker 4: had on before the shooting here at UVU.
Speaker 3: So it is incumbent upon me and those in my
Speaker 3: industry and you at home to do the work to
Speaker 3: find out what really happened and to not accept just
Speaker 3: you know, cookie cutter handed to you narratives as if
Speaker 3: they're the gospel, because they're probably not. As we've seen,
Speaker 3: they've already taken in multiple people into custody and then
Speaker 3: released them in the first first day, so that could
Speaker 3: be a similar situation here.
Speaker 2: We don't know yet.
Speaker 3: I'm going to unpack everything for you, and I want
Speaker 3: you to decide for yourself. If you think that I'm
Speaker 3: grasping its straws, fine, come to that conclusion. I'm okay
Speaker 3: with that. Until then, I'm going to keep digging, and
Speaker 3: for those that are interested in that, let's go along
Speaker 3: for the journ So, just so you understand how I
Speaker 3: analyze things, I tend to start with the official narrative
Speaker 3: and then I work backwards from there. So if the
Speaker 3: official narrative satisfies me as to its accuracy, I don't
Speaker 3: really have to work much backwards because I've already been
Speaker 3: convinced that, yes, this does look adequate. Like if you have,
Speaker 3: for instance, the episode I did three or four days
Speaker 3: ago with the poor girl who got attacked by that
Speaker 3: man on the train. I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 3: You don't need to convince me as to what happened there.
Speaker 3: Video evidence kind of an open and closed case. Right
Speaker 3: With this it is much much more convoluted. And I
Speaker 3: still think that it's important though, that we start with
Speaker 3: the official narrative and mel village crazy lady on X.
Speaker 3: Don't let her handle fool it. She actually does really
Speaker 3: good investigative work. This is her recap of what we
Speaker 3: know so far. This is as of about noon today.
Speaker 3: The story right now is that Robinson drove his vehicle,
Speaker 3: a Great Dodge Challenger, onto campus at eight twenty nine am.
Speaker 3: He parked his vehicle on campus, He gets out of
Speaker 3: his vehicle on campus wearing completely different clothes, and he
Speaker 3: then disappears for three hours and twenty minutes until he
Speaker 3: re emerges off campus on a ring doorbell from a
Speaker 3: neighborhood next to campus at eleven forty nine am. At
Speaker 3: this point, he's wearing a totally new outfit, having changed
Speaker 3: everything including his shoes, and he's now walking with a gate,
Speaker 3: presumably because he has a rifle shoved down his pants
Speaker 3: and a backpack on his back. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: show the footage, but there is footage. It looks like
Speaker 3: from a ring doorbell, as she says, and he's walking
Speaker 3: what looks like with a limp or like with a
Speaker 3: stiff leg, and allegedly we have to assume that that's
Speaker 3: because he had the rifle down his pants, which is
Speaker 3: a really suspicious way to do this, she continues. He
Speaker 3: crosses back on a campus at eleven fifty am, goes
Speaker 3: up the stairs of a parking garage at eleven fifty
Speaker 3: three am, where we again lose track of him until
Speaker 3: twelve oh two. He enters the Lossy Center building, which
Speaker 3: is a large student center, and hangs out for thirteen minutes,
Speaker 3: presumably with the giant rifle down his pants, and then
Speaker 3: climbs the stairs towards the roof at approximately twelve fifteen.
Speaker 3: At twelve twenty two, he gets into the prone position,
Speaker 3: flat on his stomach, on the corner of the roof
Speaker 3: of the building, directly across from where Kirk was speaking.
Speaker 3: At twelve twenty three, he fires a single shot that
Speaker 3: hits Kirk. He then immediately gets up and runs across
Speaker 3: the rooftop to the far south corner where he flings
Speaker 3: something to the ground which looks like a backpack, and
Speaker 3: he then jumps off the roof, picks up the bag,
Speaker 3: and runs back across the road and into a wooded
Speaker 3: area that backs up to the neighborhood adjacent to the
Speaker 3: first neighborhood he emerged from in the ring doorbell at
Speaker 3: forty nine am. This is where he's a gun. He
Speaker 3: then disappears again. He does, however, return to his vehicle,
Speaker 3: which is presumab he still parked on campus, and then
Speaker 3: drives it home two hundred and fifty miles away. We
Speaker 3: know this because news reports note the car and the
Speaker 3: family driveway after his arrest. What else do we know, Well,
Speaker 3: according to Fox News, there's reports that he was shacked
Speaker 3: up with a male to female transitioning man, woman whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know, and that could be his motivation. So
Speaker 3: you have all of the unusual information when it comes
Speaker 3: to the events of that day, including the fact that
Speaker 3: if you look at the footage of him jumping from
Speaker 3: the rooftop, it is not evident that he's carrying a rifle.
Speaker 3: It's not impossible that he was carrying it, but it's
Speaker 3: a large gun and I don't see it personally, so
Speaker 3: it looks to me like a bag. The narrative from
Speaker 3: the FBI is that it's a gun covered in a towel,
Speaker 3: because that's how they discovered it in the woods. Well,
Speaker 3: it doesn't. It looks like it's floppy. It does not
Speaker 3: look stiff like a gun. I've been around guns. It
Speaker 3: doesn't look as if he's got the gun when he
Speaker 3: jumps off that roof. Very very odd. So setting that aside,
Speaker 3: just take for a second that, in fact, that is
Speaker 3: the firearm. And then he, despite fleeing with it, he
Speaker 3: then ditches it in the woods, which is a weird
Speaker 3: thing to do because why would you do that?
Speaker 2: But also he dishes his car.
Speaker 3: But then he comes back to his car, So he
Speaker 3: comes back to the scene of the crime, gets into
Speaker 3: his vehicle, drives a couple hundred miles home, and then
Speaker 3: confesses to his father. After some dispute and debate with
Speaker 3: his dad, he ends up turning himself in. His dad
Speaker 3: was like a sheriff, and his dad calls their pastor,
Speaker 3: and I guess they convince this guy to turn himself in.
Speaker 2: That's the story.
Speaker 3: So he pulls off this kind of miraculous and this
Speaker 3: is all setting aside the fact that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of mixed reporting. I've seen coverage and close people to
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's circle who say that, yes, he did have
Speaker 3: body armor on. But then I look at the photos
Speaker 3: and it doesn't look to me as if he has
Speaker 3: body armor on. He's got a very thin shirt on,
Speaker 3: and I would see it most likely if it's the
Speaker 3: most low profile armor you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 3: I can't show you this, unfortunately, because it would get
Speaker 3: this video pulled down. But there is slow motion footage
Speaker 3: of the attack, and in it there is immense compression
Speaker 3: that ripples across his T shirt that looks as if
Speaker 3: there's body armor on. So that's why I thought that
Speaker 3: there was, and I think that's what I told Harrison
Speaker 3: when I had him on, is that I thought that
Speaker 3: the bullet hit the surface area just at the tip
Speaker 3: of the body armor that would not have enough surface
Speaker 3: area to actually stop the round, but instead redirected it
Speaker 3: which tragically entered his neck. So again, maybe that's what happened,
Speaker 3: maybe it isn't. But what I'm saying is I'm setting
Speaker 3: all of that aside, all of the weirdness with that
Speaker 3: the fact that this guy, Oh, by the way, his
Speaker 3: grandma says, he's never own a firearm.
Speaker 2: Okay, odd.
Speaker 3: He also comes from a very conservative family, seems like
Speaker 3: a decent kid until a few years ago, and then
Speaker 3: is radicalized to doing something like this. Now, all of
Speaker 3: that's possible. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: is are you satisfied with the story so far? I
Speaker 3: personally am not.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I think there's probably a fifty to fifty chance that
Speaker 3: that that's all accurate, that in fact, he will acted alone.
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe he had some people through discorder
Speaker 3: whatever that he was orchestrating with, and hopefully they'll be
Speaker 3: rounded up and prosecuted too. But in terms of like
Speaker 3: not there being a bigger plot, intelligence agency involvement, nefarious
Speaker 3: things to that nature, maybe maybe I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to say that that's not true. I just
Speaker 3: don't know. So this is the reason I'm digging deeper.
Speaker 3: This is the reason I'm looking for additional people with motivations.
Speaker 3: And let's be honest, there are a lot of people
Speaker 3: that have motivations. So let's start with the basic ones.
Speaker 3: These are the questions that Charlie Cook asked of Ben
Speaker 3: Shapiro the day before his assassination, Make of it what
Speaker 3: you will.
Speaker 5: So we're on team civilization here. We want to see
Speaker 5: the maniacs of Hamas be defeated. So we've seen news
Speaker 5: this morning that quite honestly, I'm a little confused by,
Speaker 5: and I was hoping you could navigate it and help
Speaker 5: us understand, which is that Israel bombed Qatar, which houses
Speaker 5: a lot of Hamas officials.
Speaker 2: What happened here? And if I were to introduce.
Speaker 5: Just this skeptical question, will this potentially endanger America's own
Speaker 5: interest in the Middle least? So please, Ben, help me
Speaker 5: better understand the situation. I just spent time in Japan,
Speaker 5: and one of the things that kind of looms over
Speaker 5: Japan is that Japan they engage in an unconditional surrender,
Speaker 5: that they said we're done and they laid down their arms,
Speaker 5: obviously after the two tomic bombs. Very controversial. People have
Speaker 5: mixed opinions on it. I certainly do, But that is
Speaker 5: unconditional surrender. Is that what Israel is aiming for here?
Speaker 5: I suppose that is a question that I get a
Speaker 5: lot on campus. What does success look like? Because I
Speaker 5: think we could all agree a long war is not
Speaker 5: good for Israel, a long drawn out war, and we're
Speaker 5: now ending, we're coming towards two years in about a month,
Speaker 5: so it's been about twenty three months. So what does
Speaker 5: ultimate success look like in the Gaza strip? What other
Speaker 5: feedback or criticism would you have about this situation. I
Speaker 5: know that it's impossible for anyone to listen to everything
Speaker 5: that you ever say, but looking at this from a
Speaker 5: American perspective, what else would you say things could have
Speaker 5: been handled differently? Maybe on the pr front, maybe also
Speaker 5: just on a conduct front. Where would you say, as
Speaker 5: an outsider, things that could have been handled better, more efficiently,
Speaker 5: or with more precision. A claim I receive often, and
Speaker 5: we're starting our campus tour tomorrow is that Israel is
Speaker 5: committing genocide. How do you respond to that? Though, author
Speaker 5: that Ben she your author of Lions and Scavengers, are
Speaker 5: going to get that in a second. I have one
Speaker 5: or two other questions and Israel I think it's very
Speaker 5: important for audience to hear this though, because there is
Speaker 5: an incessant campaign and one thing a friends send to me, interestingly,
Speaker 5: which is okay, Charlie, we pushed backed against the media,
Speaker 5: on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border. So
Speaker 5: maybe we should also ask a question, is the media
Speaker 5: totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel?
Speaker 2: Just a question?
Speaker 5: You know that maybe we shouldn't believe everything the media says,
Speaker 5: because I know I've been conditioned to ask a lot
Speaker 5: more critical questions over the last couple of years. So, Ben,
Speaker 5: some people would accuse Israel of wanting to ethnically cleanse.
Speaker 5: Some people in the Israeli government are saying again, it's
Speaker 5: all over the place, right, you have opinions all over.
Speaker 5: In your opinion, what would a good outcome five years
Speaker 5: from now be, and how does one respond to the
Speaker 5: claims of ethnic cleansing. We're running out of time here,
Speaker 5: But just last question on this, Ben. I know this
Speaker 5: might be a tougher question, but Bbie said, quote, I
Speaker 5: didn't like what you said this.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest.
Speaker 5: You can't be maga if you're anti Israel. I don't
Speaker 5: like it for a couple of reasons. How did you analyze.
Speaker 2: That statement from me?
Speaker 6: And it is totally fine to stay to people who
Speaker 6: wish to destroy our civilization know your values suck and
Speaker 6: they don't belong here.
Speaker 5: Where does all this resentment come from.
Speaker 3: Here's what Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin had to say
Speaker 3: three days before the attack.
Speaker 7: We you and I have people who we thought were
Speaker 7: conservatives sound a lot like the Marxist Islamis who were attending.
Speaker 2: This event last week, don't they. I think it's exactly right.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, there's a grievance culture that has become the dominant
Speaker 6: strain on the left that says that all people in
Speaker 6: the world who are poor, who have bad lives, that
Speaker 6: is the fault of the West, that is the fault
Speaker 6: of Israel, It's the fault of capitalism, it's the fault
Speaker 6: of the Jews, it's the fault of anyone except for themselves.
Speaker 6: They have no agency, and thus all the systems must
Speaker 6: be torn down from the rooftops all the way down
Speaker 6: to the ground. And you see that sort of mirrored
Speaker 6: on a weird horseshop part of the right that is
Speaker 6: now our doing sort of the same thing. That the
Speaker 6: problem is that people have are intractable, that there's a
Speaker 6: shadowy group that's manipulating all of this, that America actually
Speaker 6: was never great, America was wrong in World War Two,
Speaker 6: America never landed on the moon, and these kind of
Speaker 6: two forces are now bizarrely joining hands in the middle.
Speaker 2: It's very strange.
Speaker 7: Do you think there's enough of an effort to push back.
Speaker 7: They sort of sprinkle these events with these kooks. They
Speaker 7: sprinkle these events with these American haters who claim to
Speaker 7: be American firsters and are fake MAGA and even stab
Speaker 7: the president in the back.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's definitely an attempt by some
Speaker 6: of these organizations to quote unquote maintained the big tents.
Speaker 6: But the reality is that, as many have said, the
Speaker 6: problem with a big tents is that you may end
Speaker 6: up with many, many clowns inside. And the most fundamental
Speaker 6: thing is that just because you're saying somebody votes Republican,
Speaker 6: that does not mean that they ought to be the
Speaker 6: preacher at the front of the church. They're not the
Speaker 6: person who ought to be leading the movement if they
Speaker 6: are spending all day criticizing the presidents of the United
Speaker 6: States as covering up a Masad rape ring or being
Speaker 6: a tool of these Raelies for hitting in Irani a
Speaker 6: nuclear facility. I think he has said literally his entire
Speaker 6: career that he was going to do.
Speaker 3: Now here's what Candice Owens had to say about some
Speaker 3: of Charlie's alleged friends and their response after the attack.
Speaker 9: I think, yeah, in the end, Charlie, Charlie was going
Speaker 9: through spiritual transformation. I don't think it, I know it.
Speaker 9: He was going through a lot, and there was a
Speaker 9: lot of pressure. And it's hard for me to watch
Speaker 9: the people who were pressuring him. I don't know, just
Speaker 9: say the things that they're saying, you know. I just
Speaker 9: there's something about it that just feels really fake. Feels
Speaker 9: really fake to me. And they would have allowed him
Speaker 9: to lose and wanted him to lose everything for changing
Speaker 9: or even slightly modifying an opinion, and then to see
Speaker 9: them doing what they're doing today, it's hurtful to me.
Speaker 9: It's very heartful to me.
Speaker 3: Now here's what Erica Kirk, Charlie's wife, had to say
Speaker 3: just last night.
Speaker 10: The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea
Speaker 10: what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached
Speaker 10: a message of patriots's faith and of God's merciful love.
Speaker 8: They should all know this.
Speaker 10: If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before,
Speaker 10: you have no idea You have no idea what you
Speaker 10: just have unleashed across this entire country, in this world.
Speaker 10: You have no idea. You have no idea the fire
Speaker 10: that you have ignited within this wife, The cries of
Speaker 10: this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.
Speaker 3: So let me start by saying, unbelievable courage on behalf
Speaker 3: of Erica. I am I was floored again, close to tears.
Speaker 3: I didn't actually cry that time, but very close. I
Speaker 3: can't believe her resolve. And it's evident that Charlie and
Speaker 3: she are were kindred spirits. They absolutely carried that same
Speaker 3: warrior spirit in their heart. And she honors his legacy
Speaker 3: by her reaction and her response. So God bless her truly.
Speaker 3: But there's a very important oddity in what she had
Speaker 3: to say there, because this is after the assailant, the
Speaker 3: alleged assailant had already been taken into custody, and also
Speaker 3: after the FBI had already confirmed that he worked alone.
Speaker 3: They were adamant, So why did she say evil doers? Look,
Speaker 3: it could be a benign thing as simple as she's
Speaker 3: referencing the people who painted her husband as this homophobic,
Speaker 3: misogynistic racist, whatever, and she's bundling them all up along
Speaker 3: with the person who actually pulled the trigger. Maybe or
Speaker 3: maybe she doesn't think that the person that they have
Speaker 3: in custody worked alone, and that, in fact, the evil
Speaker 3: doers that she's talking about is specifically about a plot
Speaker 3: against her husband's life. I think she would probably know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she would like specifically who did it,
Speaker 3: but I think she would have. I mean, she had
Speaker 3: a very close relationship with her husband by all accounts,
Speaker 3: I would imagine that if he was under pressure, as
Speaker 3: many people including Mike Cernovich and Kendis Owans are reporting,
Speaker 3: that she would be privy to the pressures that he
Speaker 3: was languishing under. So what were those pressures? Well, according
Speaker 3: to Kennis Owens and Cernovic, they're billionaire funders that were
Speaker 3: applying massive pressure against Charlie Kirk specifically after the Turning
Speaker 3: Point USA event, and it was not much to my
Speaker 3: relief about platforming Dave Smith, my friend, but rather Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 3: Apparently the pressure against Charlie Kirk got turned up to
Speaker 3: eleven right after that event because they had Tucker Carlson
Speaker 3: on in which basically every person who went on there
Speaker 3: from Megan Kelly, to Dave Smith, to Tucker Carlson, there
Speaker 3: were a few others. They all were talking about Israel
Speaker 3: because at the time, the biggest story in the country,
Speaker 3: as it should have been, was the fact that the
Speaker 3: Epstein files were not being released, that the cover up continued,
Speaker 3: and also, obviously Dave was there to debate about Israeli
Speaker 3: American relation and whether or not there are top ally
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. So point being, that's not what
Speaker 3: they want to see. They don't want to have Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 3: who has been funded by large Zionist donors for years,
Speaker 3: probably since its inception, I don't know exactly when, but
Speaker 3: they don't want to have that being the topic of discussion.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, you're putting your money there.
Speaker 3: You don't want to have that being a conversation that
Speaker 3: gets popularized at the highest levels. And you certainly don't
Speaker 3: want to have Tucker Carlson, who's got such gravitas that
Speaker 3: anything he says there is going to go super viral,
Speaker 3: and you don't want to.
Speaker 2: Be funding it. I get that.
Speaker 3: I respect that, and maybe that's all it is. Maybe
Speaker 3: they just didn't like it, and they were threatening to
Speaker 3: pull funding as a consequence of him putting on Tucker Carlson, And.
Speaker 1: I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was working
Speaker 1: on behalf of Intel Services, probably not American, and we
Speaker 1: have every right to ask on whose behalf was he working.
Speaker 1: How does a guy go from being a math teacher
Speaker 1: at the Dalton School in the late set he's with
Speaker 1: no college degree to having multiple airplanes, a private island,
Speaker 1: and the largest residential house in Manhattan. Where did all
Speaker 1: the money come from? And no one has ever gotten
Speaker 1: to the bottom of that because no one has ever tried.
Speaker 1: And moreover, it's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that
Speaker 1: this guy had direct connections to a foreign government. Now
Speaker 1: no one's allowed to say that foreign government is Israel
Speaker 1: because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty.
Speaker 1: There is nothing wrong with saying that. There is nothing
Speaker 1: hateful about saying that.
Speaker 3: Well, the story goes a little bit deeper than that.
Speaker 3: First off, Charlie Kirk refuses to no longer invite Tucker
Speaker 3: Crass into his events, and God bless him for that.
Speaker 3: I think Tucker Cross is great and I'm glad to
Speaker 3: hear that he stood strong on that as a consequence,
Speaker 3: though he had already lost many of his donors and
Speaker 3: he was facing basically his one final major donor withdrawn
Speaker 3: as a consequence. Well, who steps into the gap there? Well,
Speaker 3: according to the Gray Zone their reporting, that broke yesterday
Speaker 3: or maybe it was two days ago. Now bib Net,
Speaker 3: Yahoo actually reaches out to Charlie Kirk specifically and offers
Speaker 3: to bankroll TPOSA and Charlie Kirk. Okay, So you have
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, who has been one of the biggest advocates
Speaker 3: and proponents for this Judeo Christian values mindset and Christian
Speaker 3: Kirk conservatism being aligned with Israeli interests, and he's.
Speaker 2: Been doing that for a very long time.
Speaker 3: I was actually very harshly critical of Charlie Kirk for that,
Speaker 3: because I genuinely believe in America first, and he always
Speaker 3: included Israel in that moniker that Israel's was also a
Speaker 3: major priority for us.
Speaker 2: I've never understood it. I've always disagreed with it.
Speaker 3: However, as you can tell by the questioning of Ben Shapiro,
Speaker 3: as you can tell by the fact that he's platforming
Speaker 3: Meg and Kelly, who's now questioning these things openly and
Speaker 3: they actually had a conversation. Between Charlie and Megan.
Speaker 5: It goes to the point where if, for example, if
Speaker 5: I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli
Speaker 5: government about backlash than actual Israelis do, and that's really
Speaker 5: really weird, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Meghan, that's not right, wrong headed.
Speaker 11: I'll tell you this for me. So I got some
Speaker 11: blowback after saying Masad possibilities with Epstein, a comment behind
Speaker 11: which I stand. I mean, I realized and I've of
Speaker 11: course reported what Alan Dershowitz has said.
Speaker 12: As his lawyer.
Speaker 11: He says, I think he would have told me he
Speaker 11: didn't say he had any of those connections. I hear
Speaker 11: all that. That doesn't mean it's not true. I think
Speaker 11: all these things should be explored. It's one of the
Speaker 11: many things that should be explored around Epstein. But saying
Speaker 11: that and also saying he might be a US asset, etc.
Speaker 11: Doesn't make you anti Semitic.
Speaker 3: So you've got Charlie and Meghan lamenting the fact that
Speaker 3: to have any conversation or any criticism of Israel whatsoever
Speaker 3: is now putting them on the outside, and they're receiving
Speaker 3: this same bombardment of hate and maybe threats, we don't know, terrified, scared,
Speaker 3: you know, fearful. These are the things that start to
Speaker 3: be said about them. And then you have Harrison Smith,
Speaker 3: who was on the show just yesterday and he's talking
Speaker 3: about how he wasn't talking to me about it. He
Speaker 3: posts this publicly saying that there is someone in Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk's enter circle that says he is afraid, he's fearful
Speaker 3: for his life, that Israel will kill him if he
Speaker 3: turns against them. He said this a month before the attack,
Speaker 3: So that's odd. Just maybe it's nothing, and it could
Speaker 3: be maybe it is, I don't know. But then you
Speaker 3: have the Gray Zone reporting just yesterday or two days
Speaker 3: ago that confirms once again there's yet another insider, which
Speaker 3: by the way, Max Blumenthal, who is I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's the top guy at the Gray Zone, but
Speaker 3: he's been associated with them forever. Max has also been
Speaker 3: on the show. I consider him a friend. I've done
Speaker 3: live events with him. Good guy. His bias is enormous.
Speaker 3: He's a Jewish dude, but he's also very anti Zionist.
Speaker 3: He's very opposed to Israel's actions and he wears that
Speaker 3: on his sleeve. So his bias is why right out
Speaker 3: in the open. He was on with Tim Dillon today
Speaker 3: in which he is talking about how Donald Trump and
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk feared for their lives because of specifically Israel
Speaker 3: and BBNT in Yahoo, there's.
Speaker 13: The President of the United States fear for his life.
Speaker 3: Yes, and in that this is the really interesting thing.
Speaker 3: And I've been talking to Harrison about this. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to give any more details because I don't want
Speaker 3: to violate our privacy. But I was curious if because
Speaker 3: I don't know who Harrison was talking to. I don't
Speaker 3: that's the truth and he's not. I didn't want him
Speaker 3: to disclose it to me. I don't even know if
Speaker 3: I want to know. But I was curious if because
Speaker 3: that report from the Gray Zone broke and I saw
Speaker 3: it yesterday for the first time, and I read it
Speaker 3: and I was like, Wow, this confirms exactly what Harrison
Speaker 3: Smith was saying a month ago.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's the same. Insider.
Speaker 3: Well, I got a little bit of insight into that
Speaker 3: today when Max Blumenthal told Tim Dillon this.
Speaker 13: Did you get the feeling that he was only afraid
Speaker 13: of reputational damage or you know, losing money or did
Speaker 13: his fears extend to his life.
Speaker 12: Well, that's what Harrison Smith, who is a personality at
Speaker 12: info Wars, the pro Trump outlet, has said, based on
Speaker 12: a source.
Speaker 2: He spoke to.
Speaker 12: I don't know him, I don't know what source he
Speaker 12: spoke to. But he said this on August thirteen, so
Speaker 12: almost a month before Charlie Kirk was killed. He said,
Speaker 12: Charlie Kirk fears that Israel will kill him if he
Speaker 12: continues ahead.
Speaker 3: So it's important to note that, well, Max Blumenthal had
Speaker 3: an inside source that was saying this. He mentions Harrison Smith,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't say that it's the same source. Now,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that it's not, and it doesn't mean that, like,
Speaker 3: he may not even know who Harrison's source is. So
Speaker 3: if they both have the same source and that source
Speaker 3: is lying, well then they're both wrong, right. But there's
Speaker 3: also the possibility that they are both working off of
Speaker 3: different sources, and which means that you have independent confirmation
Speaker 3: of insiders in the White House who are both saying
Speaker 3: the same thing, which means we have real confirmation that
Speaker 3: this is true. So we still don't know. Just cut
Speaker 3: to the chase. We still don't know for sure, But
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, if Max Blumenthal and Harrison Smith want
Speaker 3: to get on the phone and talk about who their
Speaker 3: sources are and do it in confidence with one another,
Speaker 3: we could actually come to a real conclusion here, because
Speaker 3: if it turns out they're both working off of different
Speaker 3: sources and they're both being told the exact same thing,
Speaker 3: well then that's pretty much an open and shutcase that yes,
Speaker 3: this is what's happening, and this is where the story
Speaker 3: gets really concerning, And this is where regardless of how
Speaker 3: you feel about Israel, maybe you are pro Israel and
Speaker 3: you think that the Palestinians deserved to be wiped off
Speaker 3: the map. Maybe you're one of those folks. I'd be
Speaker 3: surprised if you're watching me. But God Bless welcome aboard. Well,
Speaker 3: are you comfortable with the fact that if their reporting
Speaker 3: is accurate, which I tend to believe it is, because
Speaker 3: despite the fact that Max blom Thal is biased, there's
Speaker 3: no doubt about that his journalism has been world class
Speaker 3: for years. He was great on Russia, coclusion and the
Speaker 3: serious stuff, and Iran, the war on Godset, He's been
Speaker 3: great and just you can take my word for it
Speaker 3: or you can dig into his history to figure it
Speaker 3: out for yourself.
Speaker 2: He's the real deal.
Speaker 3: So yes, he's biased, but also he's one of the
Speaker 3: better journalists I've come across, so I take him seriously.
Speaker 3: So if you take him seriously, if you read that
Speaker 3: report and you come to the conclusion that maybe he's
Speaker 3: telling the truth here, maybe Donald Trump is afraid for
Speaker 3: his life because of specifically bb net and Yahoo and
Speaker 3: the nation of Israel, do you still consider them our
Speaker 3: top ally?
Speaker 2: I want you to really ask.
Speaker 3: Yourself that, do you not find it incredibly odd that
Speaker 3: the leader of the free world, the man with the
Speaker 3: greatest military might and economy that has ever existed on
Speaker 3: the planet, would be fearful of a nation the size
Speaker 3: of New Jersey who doesn't even on record have a
Speaker 3: nuclear program.
Speaker 2: Well, I find it odd. I do.
Speaker 3: I also find it odd that so many people in
Speaker 3: Trump's orbit and in his cabinet and people he appointed
Speaker 3: talked openly about how the Epstein story was one of
Speaker 3: the biggest and most important stories. I'm talking about Bongino
Speaker 3: and Cashpitel, head of the FBI, Deputy director of the FBI,
Speaker 3: just beating the drum for years.
Speaker 2: Don't let the story die. The Epstein story is.
Speaker 3: Kind of the root of the power, the root of
Speaker 3: the problem, but it's also the leverage point for blackmail,
Speaker 3: and we have to understand it. And then all those
Speaker 3: guys get into a position to power, they all look
Speaker 3: like they've seen a ghost, and none of them want
Speaker 3: to tell you the truth anymore. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: that story there is no there there. Turn your head away,
Speaker 3: forget about it, move on. What are you a Thomas
Speaker 3: Massey fan?
Speaker 2: Yes, I am. Well wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't that
Speaker 2: be odd that.
Speaker 3: All these guys that were just like they all were like,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to the answers, vote for us. And
Speaker 3: then they get in there and they give you nothing,
Speaker 3: and they flip on a dime total one to eight.
Speaker 3: And then you have the fact that if this reporting
Speaker 3: act is accurate, that Donald Trump is fearful of Israel,
Speaker 3: And then you connect the dot between Epstein, Maxwell Ahud Brock,
Speaker 3: that whole thing ties to Israeli intelligence. And then you
Speaker 3: have the reports that Trump is fearful for his life,
Speaker 3: not just like arbitrarily fearful. Also in the Gray Zone report,
Speaker 3: they say that there are tracking devices that were put
Speaker 3: on first aid vehicles like first responder vehicles for the
Speaker 3: President of the United States, implying that perhaps this is
Speaker 3: the benign answer to that right. They want to know
Speaker 3: before anybody else if there's a medical emergency for the
Speaker 3: President of United States, because he's their top ally, that's
Speaker 3: the benign answer. The less benign and more maligned or
Speaker 3: vicious answer would be that they may intend to make
Speaker 3: a move on Donald Trump, and they want to have
Speaker 3: tracking mechanisms or perhaps devices in which if they fail,
Speaker 3: they can actually do a follow up strike on the
Speaker 3: vehicles that would be as go according him towards medical help. Look,
Speaker 3: it's possible. Okay, This is not me being braggadocious about
Speaker 3: their capacity. I have watched them and I have listened
Speaker 3: to them brag for years about their intelligence capacities. They
Speaker 3: have been very overt about what they are capable of
Speaker 3: and braggadocius in doing so.
Speaker 8: We create a pretend world. We are a global production company.
Speaker 8: We write the screenplay where the directors where the producers
Speaker 8: were the main actors. The world is our stage.
Speaker 3: So yeah, then you also have the fact that Max
Speaker 3: Blumenthal also told dem Dillon that Boris Johnson when he
Speaker 3: was the Prime Minister in the UK had baby Ntnahoo
Speaker 3: come to town and asked to use his private bathroom,
Speaker 3: in which he goes in there, uses it allegedly, and
Speaker 3: then Boris Johnson's security team discovers wire tabs in the
Speaker 3: shit there. So we're not talking about like head of Mozad,
Speaker 3: head of Israeli intelligence that's doing this. We're talking about
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Israel is actually planning a wire
Speaker 3: tap on the Prime Minister of the UK.
Speaker 2: All right. Then you also have reports from John Kiraku, former.
Speaker 3: CIA official, who says this about how Israeli intelligence used
Speaker 3: to function with American intelligence.
Speaker 14: I never met anybody at the CIA who was pro Israel, never,
Speaker 14: not one, not a single person. They go to the
Speaker 14: ambassador's Christmas party. Now they're living in Jerusalem. The embassy
Speaker 14: at the time was in Tel Aviv, and so it's
Speaker 14: about a thirty or forty minute drive to get from
Speaker 14: one city to the other. They come home at the
Speaker 14: end of the party and people had taken shits in
Speaker 14: all of their toilets in their house. Every toilet had
Speaker 14: had shitted.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Not cool.
Speaker 14: They're not doing anything, they're not working against the Israelis.
Speaker 14: They're just doing normal stuff. He's studying Arabic. She's just
Speaker 14: in the embassy's you know, economic section. And then when
Speaker 14: their tour was over, to your tour, the ambassador threw
Speaker 14: a going away party for them, which is a normal thing.
Speaker 14: And they get back to the house and the dog
Speaker 14: is under the dining room table whimpering because somebody had
Speaker 14: cut the dog's tail off and they wrapped it with
Speaker 14: gauze and with medical tape.
Speaker 2: Now, why would you do something like that.
Speaker 14: What do you hope to gain except to make us
Speaker 14: hate you. If you're trying to win friends and influence people,
Speaker 14: that's really not the way you're going to want to go.
Speaker 14: So now here are these people, who, if anything, were
Speaker 14: moderately supportive of the Israelis, who came home only with
Speaker 14: bitterness and hatred toward the Israelis for this harassment that
Speaker 14: lasted for two years.
Speaker 3: Now, does all of this bean that they're actually responsible
Speaker 3: for pulling the trigger or even orchestrating or ordering this
Speaker 3: lone gunman loanatic to take out Charlie Kirk. No, it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that. It does not, But it does mean
Speaker 3: that there was some pressures being applied, and it does
Speaker 3: mean that there are some connections, and there does mean
Speaker 3: that there are some motives that make sense that actually
Speaker 3: do add up that whether you agree that it's possible
Speaker 3: to whether you think that they did it or not,
Speaker 3: I hope that we can all be honest with ourselves
Speaker 3: enough to acknowledge that, yes, there was motivations. Potentially, yes
Speaker 3: there were. So maybe you're thinking to yourself as I
Speaker 3: was thinking to myself, because I was trying to like
Speaker 3: actually disprove this narrative. In the early days, I was
Speaker 3: very much opposed to it, just because I didn't see
Speaker 3: any firm evidence. But then as you start to think
Speaker 3: more deeply about it, you're like, Okay, now you're got
Speaker 3: this report, Now you got this and you're like starting
Speaker 3: to connect some dots, and you're like thinking, maybe it
Speaker 3: is possible.
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure.
Speaker 3: But as I'm trying to disprove it in my own head,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, Well, if you're going to take
Speaker 3: out a political commentator in America who's anti Israel.
Speaker 2: You got a lot of better options.
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk is about as pro Israel a voice as
Speaker 3: you'll find who is somewhat skeptical of Israel, right like
Speaker 3: Candice Tucker, a lot of other names. I'm not I
Speaker 3: don't want to put anybody you know in jeopardy, so
Speaker 3: I'll just leave it at that. But there's a lot
Speaker 3: of other people that are much more open only antagonistic
Speaker 3: towards Israeli relationships to America than Charlie Kirk was. But
Speaker 3: then you consider the fact that he's actually got especially
Speaker 3: if you've looked at the response after his tragic loss
Speaker 3: of his life, he had arguably a comparable reach into
Speaker 3: the young demographic in America more than Tucker Carlson even
Speaker 3: And when you look at the statistics as to demographic
Speaker 3: groups and their support for Israel, it's tiered, and it
Speaker 3: just goes off a cliff. You start up here and
Speaker 3: it's the old folks sixty plus and they're still predominantly
Speaker 3: in favor of Israel and them being our top ally,
Speaker 3: and then it just goes It's like, none of the
Speaker 3: young people want to have anything to do with Israel
Speaker 3: at this point. So even on the right, it's majority
Speaker 3: of young conservatives like self identified don't want to be
Speaker 3: involved with supporting Israel, at least financially. So yeah, Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk had big, big reach, despite the fact that he
Speaker 3: kind of had a larger than life persona.
Speaker 2: And he was a tall guy. I think he was
Speaker 2: like six or four. He was a few inches taller
Speaker 2: than me when I met him. He had major reach.
Speaker 3: He was thirty one years old and he had major,
Speaker 3: major influence on the college campuses. Now why did he, Well, one,
Speaker 3: he's close through their age, so they're gonna take his
Speaker 3: opinion more seriously. But also he like the whole way
Speaker 3: he built his name was going college campus to college campus,
Speaker 3: debating these lunatics and trying to convince them that his
Speaker 3: worldview was right, or at least get clickbaitable material that
Speaker 3: he could put out there and make it go viral.
Speaker 3: And he did, and he grew an enormous platform as
Speaker 3: a consequence of it. But point being, basically every kid
Speaker 3: in college had seen one of those videos or he
Speaker 3: had come to their school. So this guy had major,
Speaker 3: major influence on conservatism in America amongst the young.
Speaker 2: So what matters most to Israel?
Speaker 3: As I said, they already have still a decent amount
Speaker 3: of support amongst the more elderly in our society. But
Speaker 3: they were hemorrhaging support amongst the young. Well, what matters
Speaker 3: for the future. It's not the old, it's young. So
Speaker 3: if they lost all support amongst the young, that would
Speaker 3: be devastating and it would basically doom them to failure,
Speaker 3: which I might add, in my opinion, is why they're
Speaker 3: moving so aggressively against Iran, Yemen, Gaza, like all of
Speaker 3: their neighbors. Basically because I think they realized that the
Speaker 3: clock is sticking, that the support is winding down just
Speaker 3: on a demographic shift, and that's why they're moving so aggressively.
Speaker 3: So what would be the nail in the coffin sorry
Speaker 3: pun not intended to their approval ratings amongst the young
Speaker 3: conservatives in America? It would be if Charlie Kirk starts
Speaker 3: to go America first means America first. It wouldn't be hateful,
Speaker 3: it'd be how I approach it. I would imagine it
Speaker 3: would be I just look, we're thirty seven trillion dollars
Speaker 3: in debt. We've absolutely destroyed ourselves with these endless wars.
Speaker 3: I'm also a Christian, I mean he would say this.
Speaker 3: I'm also a Christian, and I think that we need
Speaker 3: to give piece a chance and I just think that
Speaker 3: our relationship with Israel has been to our detriment on
Speaker 3: the whole, and therefore no malice, no malice whatsoever. But
Speaker 3: I think America first means America first. And he picks
Speaker 3: up the Tucker Carlson, Candis Owns, Thomas Massey, Taylor Green Mantle,
Speaker 3: and he runs with it. Well, he's thirty one and
Speaker 3: he's got millions of college kids that listen to him.
Speaker 3: And that's a real problem. And there's your motive. That
Speaker 3: is a motivation if they knew. And this is what
Speaker 3: Harrison Smith was hypothesizing on my show, was that perhaps
Speaker 3: he was being surveilled. And if these reports from the
Speaker 3: Graze Owne are accurate, it's almost impossible to believe that
Speaker 3: he wasn't being surveilled by Israel. So if he were
Speaker 3: being surveilled and he was having communications with say Candias
Speaker 3: Owns or Tucker Carlson or whoever else, and he's talking
Speaker 3: about like, yeah, I really think that this is a
Speaker 3: dead end that I need to pivot. That this is
Speaker 3: like like he must have been losing support amongst his base,
Speaker 3: and I think he was losing it to Nick Fuentes
Speaker 3: Camp as a consequence, of him still being law argely
Speaker 3: a water carrier for Israel, regardless of what they were
Speaker 3: doing in Guza, and regardless of our economic or social
Speaker 3: circumstances domestically, And he's probably thinking to himself like, this
Speaker 3: is stupid. And then also I think he's probably thinking
Speaker 3: of himself from a moral standpoint, it's disgusting. And maybe
Speaker 3: he starts talking about that in private, in confidence, and
Speaker 3: they know he's about to flip, and then they go, no.
Speaker 2: You don't, okay.
Speaker 3: I painted a very lengthy picture. That doesn't mean it's true.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean I'm right. But eighty five percent of
Speaker 3: that is like documented, provable on video or from other
Speaker 3: journalists that are saying it. The fifteen percent is a
Speaker 3: conclusion that is a hypothesis. It's a potentiality. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying that is a possible reason that someone would want
Speaker 3: him taken out. Then you have the oddity of Ben
Speaker 3: Shapiro saying this, I.
Speaker 6: Will be coming to college campuses, many of them this year.
Speaker 6: Charlie's voice is not silent. We're going to pick up
Speaker 6: that bloodstained microphone where Charlie left it.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 3: I watched Candice Owens, and I watched Matt Walsh, and
Speaker 3: I've watched a bunch of people's responses as I was
Speaker 3: preparing for this episode, because I wanted to really understand
Speaker 3: people's demeanor, their mentality. I wanted to know more about
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, who he was as a person, if he
Speaker 3: was as good a guy as I thought he was.
Speaker 3: And I have come to the conclusion that yes, in fact,
Speaker 3: he was. But I just wanted to see the approach.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I listened to Fuentes even and I thought he gave
Speaker 3: basically a call for peace sermon that was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 15: This is a very delicate situation. I fear that this
Speaker 15: is set off a chain reaction. I pray to God
Speaker 15: there is no further violence to all of my followers.
Speaker 15: If you take up arms, I disavow you. I disown
Speaker 15: you in the strongest possible terms. I that is not
Speaker 15: what we are about. It would be a profound moral,
Speaker 15: politic mistake for anybody to take the bait and to
Speaker 15: engage in any kind of reprisal, retaliation, revenge. Remember, we
Speaker 15: are the good side, and what makes us good is
Speaker 15: that we have Christ. What makes Christianity and Christ so
Speaker 15: different from the other religions is that our religion is
Speaker 15: based on the bearing of suffering for the sake of
Speaker 15: even those that persecute us, and overflowing of love, and
Speaker 15: overflowing of self giving love, so much of it it
Speaker 15: cannot be contained and unconditioned absolute standard of love for
Speaker 15: all of God's children.
Speaker 2: Cannis Owens was more heartfelt.
Speaker 3: She's, you know, recounting all of the good days that
Speaker 3: they spent together because they were on the road with
Speaker 3: one another for years and years as they were building
Speaker 3: up their platforms and their names, and then you get
Speaker 3: to and it's just like, look, I'm biased Againstcott. I
Speaker 3: don't like Shapiro, so you know, take this with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt. But it just rubbed me the wrong way,
Speaker 3: Like his approach of we're going to pick up that
Speaker 3: bloodstained microphone and carry it from here. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've noticed, but Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, Candice owns,
Speaker 3: Ian Carroll, all these people, they're they're blowing up like they're.
Speaker 2: Doing better and better.
Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro, in my opinion, as a consequence of him
Speaker 3: being right or Die for Israel, his star has started
Speaker 3: to fade, and it looks to me like he's trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, really take over. And that makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: For one thing, because Charlie was such an overt and
Speaker 3: adamant and eloquent Christian, So that doesn't make sense that
Speaker 3: Shapiro would step into that gap. That just doesn't seem
Speaker 3: to vibe with the entire like ethos of TPUSA, the
Speaker 3: broader organization, or its supporters. It just doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: a fit. But it also just felt like opportunism. It
Speaker 3: felt like, I see, like my star is fading and
Speaker 3: and here's my chance. I have a window to you know,
Speaker 3: reclaim my mantle as being one of the top conservative
Speaker 3: voices in America.
Speaker 2: And it just fucking bothered me.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it was just the fact
Speaker 3: that he said bloodstained or it just that I don't
Speaker 3: like him, But I'm just telling you, like it comes across,
Speaker 3: you know, the approach that he's intending is being courageous
Speaker 3: that even though you took out Charlie Kirk, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be on college campuses and I'm not canceling my tour.
Speaker 3: And look, maybe that's all it is. And if so cool,
Speaker 3: I'm like, take this with a grain salt. This is
Speaker 3: my opinion, but it didn't feel like that to me.
Speaker 3: It felt like I have an opportunity to capitalize on this,
Speaker 3: and just opportunism, that's how it comes across.
Speaker 2: So then you have kenn Of Owen's saying this.
Speaker 9: And it's hard for me to watch the people who
Speaker 9: were pressuring him, I don't know, just say the things
Speaker 9: that they're saying, you know, I just there's something about
Speaker 9: it that just feels really fake. Feels really fake to me,
Speaker 9: and they would have allowed him to lose and wanted
Speaker 9: him to lose everything for changing or even slightly modifying
Speaker 9: an opinion. And then to see them doing what they're
Speaker 9: doing today's hurtful to me. It's very heartful to me.
Speaker 3: And then you have Mike Sernovich that's responding to her
Speaker 3: and he's saying this, and he's like, eh, I think
Speaker 3: that there's a lot of people who were, like they know,
Speaker 3: were applying pressure to Charlie Kirk to get back on
Speaker 3: script when it comes to Israel, and they're now using
Speaker 3: his untimely death as an opportunity to kind of fill
Speaker 3: that void with a pro Israeli narrative.
Speaker 2: Well, that rubs me the wrong way? Does it rub?
Speaker 2: You the wrong way.
Speaker 3: It probably should. It seems very very gross, especially from
Speaker 3: people who you would imagine would be, if not friends,
Speaker 3: at least close associates. Just doesn't look good. Doesn't look
Speaker 3: good at all. And then you have Mike Cernovich just
Speaker 3: yesterday posting that he has crafted a dead man's switch
Speaker 3: and if anything happens to him, it has a whole
Speaker 3: list of names that will be put out into the
Speaker 3: wild to basically figure out who took his life. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck is happening now? Cernovich is
Speaker 3: not Ian Carol, He's not even Clint Rustley. He doesn't
Speaker 3: much toy or go down the conspiracy theorist path. So
Speaker 3: the fact that he is kind of coming out of
Speaker 3: nowhere and aligning himself with Candas Owens on this makes
Speaker 3: me feel like Candas Owns is telling the truth personally,
Speaker 3: that like there was immense pressure on Charlie Kirk to
Speaker 3: get back on script when it comes to Israel, And
Speaker 3: if Cannis is telling the truth, she's saying that he
Speaker 3: was having a major kind of religious shift on this,
Speaker 3: that he was thinking deeply about it. And my point is,
Speaker 3: if he was thinking deeply about it, and if Candice
Speaker 3: Owens knew that. That means that he's communicating with candas owns.
Speaker 3: And if you think Cannis Owens isn't wire taped, you're
Speaker 3: out her fucking mind. She is absolutely being wired tapped.
Speaker 3: So they have reason to know that he's shifting. If
Speaker 3: she's right, they have capacity to get to the guy, obviously,
Speaker 3: because they've assassinated countless people over the past couple of
Speaker 3: years and they have motive. Does that mean they didn't know?
Speaker 3: It absolutely doesn't. But I just I want us to all, like,
Speaker 3: really be thinking critically and openly about this.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I just I know I'm gonna get hate for even
Speaker 3: putting these ideas out there, but I feel like I'd
Speaker 3: be lying if I didn't just tell the truth about
Speaker 3: what I'm seeing and what I think is possible.
Speaker 2: And that's all I'm doing.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be as fucking crystal clear about this
Speaker 3: because I could probably make a lot higher viewership and
Speaker 3: get way more subscribers and likes and listens and everything
Speaker 3: else if I were to just come out and make
Speaker 3: adamant claims about any of this stuff. I am not
Speaker 3: interested in doing that because I very much do not
Speaker 3: want to pin the blame on someone who's not responsible
Speaker 3: for this. But I fucking absolutely will not allow the
Speaker 3: blame to be applied to someone if they didn't do
Speaker 3: it either. You know what I'm saying, like if this
Speaker 3: kid didn't act alone. Because you got to understand, once
Speaker 3: you've been in this world as long as I have,
Speaker 3: I've studied all of these like FBI operations against you know,
Speaker 3: radical conservatives, you know Whitmer operation right, and all you
Speaker 3: find time and time again is that it's FBI agents
Speaker 3: and FBI informants flipping against good people who were not
Speaker 3: actually intended to do anything wrong. With the vast majority
Speaker 3: of the time, not always, obviously, but the vast majority
Speaker 3: of the time, it seems as if they are just
Speaker 3: taking like either innocent people or low IQ people and
Speaker 3: they are just straight up and trapping them. And then
Speaker 3: you have this rash of trans people that are going
Speaker 3: on uncommitted with these killings, and it's.
Speaker 2: Just like, it's very convenient. I'm just saying, very convenient. Now.
Speaker 3: I think that there are lots of people in the
Speaker 3: trans community that have been radicalized, and they very much
Speaker 3: view Charlie Kirk as evidence by their response to his
Speaker 3: untimely death, his murder that have demonstrated that that hate
Speaker 3: is very real. So I'm not saying it's impossible. As
Speaker 3: I opened with, It's definitely fucking possible, but that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that's what happened. Okay, So if this kid did it,
Speaker 3: the reason I'm bringing all this up is to say,
Speaker 3: if this kid did it, you still have to keep
Speaker 3: open the possibility that he was being used. The initial
Speaker 3: reports from the FBI is that he's being radicalized through
Speaker 3: these groups on Discord or wherever else this is. I'm
Speaker 3: too old for this shit, so the younger audience may
Speaker 3: be able to tune me in, But I have heard
Speaker 3: that there is some really radical shit. You know, Chance
Speaker 3: kind of like fading, but Discord is kind of where
Speaker 3: it's at now. But there's like really radical political movements
Speaker 3: that exist, like niche things that kind of radicalize one another.
Speaker 3: And there you know, there's oftentimes FBI agents or informants
Speaker 3: that are in these groups that are radicalizing these people
Speaker 3: to their own ends, for their own purposes, either for
Speaker 3: operations against you know, political dissidents that they don't like,
Speaker 3: or just to pad their stats. Look, I've had Kyle Surafin,
Speaker 3: I've had Steve Freen on the show. These are both
Speaker 3: the FBI whistlers. They've confirmed this, like that's how this
Speaker 3: shit actually works, that they they basically set up people
Speaker 3: who probably would have never hurt a soul because they
Speaker 3: want to pad their numbers to keep their budgets up.
Speaker 3: And they do this fucking every year, year in and
Speaker 3: year out, and they target different groups depending on who
Speaker 3: the president is and what their marching orders are. So
Speaker 3: like under a Republican president, oftentimes the FBI will be
Speaker 3: targeting the Muslim community, and under a Democrat president, they'll
Speaker 3: be targeting the Christian conservative movement and they'll be trying
Speaker 3: to get them caught up in charges so they can
Speaker 3: label them terrorists. And this is why the Biden administration
Speaker 3: was saying that the greatest threat to America was, you know,
Speaker 3: religious white extremists, Christian extremists in America. It's like, fucking no,
Speaker 3: it's not. It's obviously nonsense, but that's according to the
Speaker 3: Biden FBI. That's what they were saying for years, and
Speaker 3: they were coming out with reports they're talking about potential
Speaker 3: domestic violent extremists, and they were including in that fucking
Speaker 3: libertarians and people who have you know, Betsy Ross Flaggs
Speaker 3: and like basically anybody who believes in the Constitution is
Speaker 3: the potential domestic terroriss Okay, So what I'm saying is
Speaker 3: these are not agencies to be trusted. They don't function
Speaker 3: in an honorable fashion, and they often work to try
Speaker 3: and set people up.
Speaker 2: Did they do that with this?
Speaker 3: You have to ask yourself that, and it's an uncomfortable question,
Speaker 3: and it definitely gets into tenfoil hat zone and it
Speaker 3: definitely gets into the very hard to prove zone because
Speaker 3: if it's an intentional radicalization and you try and basically
Speaker 3: spin up a guy to take out someone that you want,
Speaker 3: that's hard to do like that. Takes months, sometimes years
Speaker 3: to radicalize someone to do stuff like that. And I
Speaker 3: know it sounds crazy, but the truth is they've done
Speaker 3: it before. They absolutely have, from MK Ultra to all
Speaker 3: these other things. It's not impossible. So I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that's what happened. I'm just saying it's a possibility that
Speaker 3: we have to keep on the table of options to keep,
Speaker 3: you know, seeking the truth here, all right.
Speaker 2: I sprinted through that.
Speaker 3: I gave you everything I possibly could as fast as
Speaker 3: I could as you can tell I'm trying to be
Speaker 3: crystal clear.
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure.
Speaker 3: I don't and I think anybody telling you that they
Speaker 3: know for sure is probably lying, except for maybe people
Speaker 3: in Charlie's inner circle, who would probably have better sources
Speaker 3: and understand this stuff in a more in depth fashion
Speaker 3: than I'm capable of obviously, So I just.
Speaker 2: Want to end with this.
Speaker 3: Regardless of whether or not you think that this hypothesis
Speaker 3: is even possible and say it's not, just consider for
Speaker 3: a second that the president of the United States is afraid,
Speaker 3: specifically of the leader of another country.
Speaker 2: And is that a paradigm you're willing to accept.
Speaker 3: If America is the greatest country on earth, if it's
Speaker 3: the greatest power on earth, why would our leader be
Speaker 3: afraid of anybody, much less a foreign leader, And why
Speaker 3: would we be giving that country money to the tune
Speaker 3: of four billion annually and a much more over the
Speaker 3: past couple of years when it comes to military assistance.
Speaker 3: Ask yourself that, and then consider why the Epstein stuff
Speaker 3: was buried. And then if you want to connect those dots,
Speaker 3: feel free, And if you don't want to feel free,
Speaker 3: I'm going to connect them because I think that there's
Speaker 3: something there. As you know, Damnageno and Cashtel like there's
Speaker 3: no there. I think there's a fucking there there, Dan,
Speaker 3: I think there's a fucking there, and I think you're
Speaker 3: lying about it. I, for one, in honor of Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 3: and in honor of all of the people in this world,
Speaker 3: this industry, this weird niche thing that I do, I'm
Speaker 3: going to continue to seek the truth because it's vitally important.
Speaker 3: Because I cannot trust you sons of bitches, to do
Speaker 3: the right thing. So everybody else in my world who's
Speaker 3: afraid right now, trust me. The fear is rampant, it
Speaker 3: is very concerning. The only pathway forward is to continue
Speaker 3: to pursue the truth. That's the only pathway.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: And if there's one thing I did love about Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk is that I think that's what he was really
Speaker 3: interested in, and in the greatest of ironies, that may
Speaker 3: have been why he was ultimately killed. That the one
Speaker 3: part of his narrative that he told year in and
Speaker 3: year out that he came to the conclusion may have
Speaker 3: not been true. He was about to start really telling
Speaker 3: the truth about And if that's the reason his life
Speaker 3: was taken. Well, then he's even more heroic than I
Speaker 3: had initially thought. All right, what a rant. If you
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