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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dan Falley coming at

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you with mister Moore Jensen of the NBA podcast, fame

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of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO match name.

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Speaker 2: And of course only fans celebrity.

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Speaker 1: We are gathered around the Hardwood Knocks NBA campfire today

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to say we don't care about.

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Speaker 2: Lebron James watch four point zero.

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Speaker 1: We don't care about waiting for Jailen Duran to sign

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wherever he's gonna sign, which will probably be Detroit if

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not a sign and trade for another team. We're gonna

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go through the lay of the land post free agency craze.

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I think we've borrowing any surprise trades. We've exited the

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transaction tumult.

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Speaker 2: Portion of the NBA offseason.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna take stock of every team doing the

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Eastern Conference today, we'll do the Western Conference I think

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is scheduled for as of right now. We're gonna do

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it on Friday, so you'll be listening to it shortly

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after that. But we're gonna begin with the East before

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we get started, just alternating teams.

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Speaker 2: Moret How are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 4: It is It's not quite like Las Vegas temperatures over here,

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but it is, uh, it is warm. So I am

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looking forward to just getting this pod out of the

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way because I'm in my office and it's like I'm

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swimming poollets already, which I know you appreciate.

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Speaker 1: That is one hot as hell, yeah, and two a

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little hurtful that you're just looking to get this pot

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out of the way.

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Speaker 2: I thought that you look so looked forward so much

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to record it.

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Speaker 4: I do that. Look, I can. I'm a complex human being.

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I can have very I have a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: You can't contain multitudes, all right, And you're binary black

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or white, all right, So.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started.

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Speaker 1: You are the guests, though, is there anything that you

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really quickly that you consider when you're doing this? Like

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I tried to wait, we kind of don't know what's

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going to happen here or whatever, but I'm still I'm

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looking at the depth charts. How I think these teams

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are going to play considering what happened last year, and

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I'm just like, no, I think this team still needs this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, positional need is really what I come down to to.

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Speaker 4: Like, there's a few there are there are a few

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teams where I'm like does this team have enough toughness?

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Like there are some components where I I don't look

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at positional need, but that's like eighty percent of it

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for me, Like where can this team struggle? Like where

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where can this team have issues? And if I can

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just jump right in, then I'm just gonna start with

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the Atlanta Hawks and.

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Speaker 1: We are not going alphabetically. But no, no, that is just

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I'm dedicated.

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Speaker 4: I am, I actually am. Because here's the thing I love.

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I love the Aaron Wickins acquisition.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: It's strengthened their whole wing rotation. But the thing is

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the ring rotation is weird because we just don't know

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if Sagary Rishche can ever become that quality piece that

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they need him to be. Corey Kisbert is fine, but

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you know he's he's a backup, Like no, no, no, no,

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I'm not not crabbing on Corey Kisbert that this man

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can finish at the RAM and he can shoot threes,

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like I'm in on Corey Kisburg, but not as a starter.

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So I just question their overall wink depth, like can

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they somehow finagle this because I'm assuming Jalen Johnson's gonna

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play primarily before that, at least to me, seems to

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be the most obvious position for him. It just it

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feels like there's a move to be had at some

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point before at the end of the summer here for them.

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Speaker 1: I would be with you that move might be a

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Johnathan can make a sign and trade to the Lakers

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for some reason.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what Los Angeles is thinking.

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Speaker 1: Still, they are an interesting team because I would agree

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with what you said. I also have half court shot

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creation listed for them, and I think you could probably also

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make a case like do they need a bigger earlier center.

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Their defensive rebounding got better later last year, but it

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did fall off in the playoffs. I know they didn't

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have Jock Landale, does Henry Vasar contribute there at all?

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of half court offense with CJ. McCollum on the court

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and no Jalen Johnson, thirty third percentile overall about either

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of those guys, And then if you just look at

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when Jalen Johnson's on the floor without Trey Young, you know,

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so post like when Trey Young's injured, and then after

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they traded him. They're about a league average team or

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close to it in the half court. I don't know

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if Nikkeil, Alexander Walker, Jalen Johnson and CJ.

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Speaker 2: McCollum are enough.

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Speaker 1: And I think that puts a big burden, maybe a

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big burden. How much is Kingston Fleming is gonna play?

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that stuff out of your wings right now. I mean,

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Dyson Daniels can do it a little bit, but because

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of his limitations, you want to see more as a

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play finisher, the guy that's maybe setting the screens. So yeah,

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they're a very talented team, but it does feel that

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would be the appeal.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I.

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Speaker 1: Know a lot of Hawks hans are annoyed they they're

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not bringing back Kuminga. Doesn't look like they're open to it,

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but as of right now, doesn't look like they will.

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Speaker 2: I know that that is.

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Speaker 1: Maybe one of the reasons to be frustrated is you

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don't trust him to be consistent or set up teammates.

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shot in the half court for sure.

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Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, that is that is the need for

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Speaker 1: If you ask me, I'm gonna go to where do

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I want to go to? Let's go to Cleveland. Lebron

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hasn't decided yet. I believe that Cleveland is the favorite

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to land him as of right now. Get Lebron, don't

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get Lebron. This team needs wing defense, or even just

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true wings. They lost Dean Wade. He has his offensive problems.

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We saw it in the playoffs without question, but he

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guarded wings fifty two percent of the time on defense

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last year while just routinely taking on the toughest assignments.

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but it's like that's kind of it, and you have

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to chess piece your players around when you're looking at Donovan, Mitchell,

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James Harden specifically to insulate them. I think you could

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put anybody in front of Evan Mobley and Jared Allen

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and they would still figure out a way to be

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a good defensive team in those minutes. But if you're

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gonna add Lebron, or even if you don't, you get

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to the playoffs and they need another like they need

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another wing guy, and so I'm curious with them specifically,

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they have about thirty eight million dollars in room beneath

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the second apron without James Harden on the books. Can

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they stay under the second apron so that they can

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aggregate salaries as part of a trade. Can they even

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they do have a first round pick to trade. So

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when you look at the salary of a Max Struce,

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if you have Sam Merril on this team, how important

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do you view Max Strew So let's saying he's not important?

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an upgrade in there? And I also just wonder do

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you think they're offensively talented enough to say we don't

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have to care about the offense of the wing that

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is coming in, or do you need more? You know,

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like you can't just go after Herb Jones, or you

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can't go after lou Dort and Rope in a third team.

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You need someone maybe like a Derek Jones junior or

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who has more upside another name.

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Speaker 2: I've listened to them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it costs to get him out

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of Washington now, but Palla Kolbali defensively would make a

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lot of sense. Yeah, for this team and a trade

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that I would throw to you. Can you do something

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like Jared Allen and then it's I think it would

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have to be like Max Strus for Trey Murphy, Herb

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Jones and Eves Meaci And maybe you're throw in the

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Cavs first round pick there or is that not enough

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if you're in New Orleans. Jared Allen's clearly the centerpiece

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coming in there.

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Speaker 3: That that's a big one. You just threw at me

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right there. Uh, that would be interesting.

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Speaker 4: That would shore up there, They're wing dept immediately Like

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that would look in both the three and the four

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slot for a long time actually, and it allows Mopley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I like it.

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Speaker 4: That's not bad, Like you get more symmetry in there,

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because like, what if we base it off the current iteration?

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Do we trust the Jared Allen Eman Moopley combination? Do

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we trust it? Or where are we on this?

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Speaker 1: I trust it in the regular season for sure, But

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I think you might need the blend of or you

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to the playoffs, or you need to have a more

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liable wing who can, like like for the playoffs, so

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that there's not as much on them defensively, but it

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also regardless, I think you're still looking at can Evan

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Mobley do more? Especially if Lebron doesn't come to the team,

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did he diversify his offense even more? I don't know

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if I'm the Pelicans, if I would do that trade

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I threw out, But I do believe that the Herb

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Jones contract, while it's fine, probably doesn't look as good

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as it did this time last year. And so I

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was curious if for them Jared Allen the first and

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then like, look, the team they have right now needs

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Max Strus Like you just need a ton of shooting

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Speaker 2: So that was one that I had thought of.

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Speaker 4: So basically, the first two teams that we've gone through

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have had needs on the wing, all right, sensing a theme,

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I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a rebel. I mean,

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there needs that bleed into the perimeter for me. But

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I don't have a wing listed for every team.

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Speaker 2: Some of them, for.

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Speaker 4: Sure, no, no, but but quite a few actually, so

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this isn't necessarily wing specific. I'm gonna go Detroit now

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and it's gonna be yeah, like obviously, we just so

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many open ended questions at this point, right, like Jalen Durham,

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we don't know what's gonna happen there, but it felt

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like they made moves to do something else as well.

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He is unquestionably a and the lead defender. I think

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there is some offensive upside in terms of his playmaking,

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his athleticism, his his you know, downhill ability. I think

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he's underrated as a bowl handler. That said you need

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wing offense, you need something offensively from the wing as well.

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I'm not going wing specific on Detroit, but it is

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a position of need offensively speaking overall, I'm just looking

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at this roster and I'm just going scoring, like more

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scoring please.

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Speaker 1: Uh what I'm interested in because I would agree with

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I think your underlying sentiment here because I just have

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more offensive creation for them in general.

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Speaker 2: Because what you did is you got rid.

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Speaker 1: So what I think is what they're doing and I

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kind of see the vision. I'm assuming John Durham comes back,

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and like you said, they did make moves, which feels

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as if there's a preamble to other moves. But assuming

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Durham comes back by getting John Collins, by getting Isaiah Joe,

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keeping Duncan Robinson again the saws. Now it feels like

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maybe they're saying, hey, can we get more out of

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Asar Thompson and Donnis Jenkins with more floor spacing? And

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so I dug into the numbers a little bit, and

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this is still in need. I want to make it

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clear that the Pistons from the sixteenth percentile of half

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court shot creation among players who aren't Ky Cunningham, that

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is that is awful. But when Asar and Jenkins shared

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the court without k, the Pistons were in the seventy

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seven percent title of half court offense. Last year, those

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lineup shot forty point eight percent on threes. The one

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caveat I will say, as of right now, I think

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this team will still miss to Bias Harris because John

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Collins isn't much of a shot creator. If you remove

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the offensive efficiency plummets to the thirty second percentile. But

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Asar Thompson could get better. When you say you need

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offense out of the wing spot, I absolutely agree with you,

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and for him it's all right if you give him

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more spacing, can he improve as a finisher because just

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with his his handle, his IQ and the nuclear athleticism,

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he should just be finishing better at the rim than

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he has right so far overall? Does more spacing help that?

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Can you just bank on Jenkins getting better? I'm not

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super excited about Detroit's offseason, but the more I look

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at their roster, and if you are willing to bake

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in the idea of two of the you know, Jenkins

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and or Thompson getting better, which is hardly outside the

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realm of possibility. I understand what they're trying to do,

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but we have slamm o'clock in the chat saying best

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target for Detroit Trey Cason Wallace, Peyton Watson, Kevin Durant,

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Trey Murphy is how many? How many teams? Is Trey

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Murphy the top target for Detroit should be one of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of them.

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Speaker 1: Peyton, Watson and Caseon Wallas aren't good enough shooters or

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creators for me to view them as a primary. Kevin

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Durant would be super interesting if the Rockets were looking

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to cut the cord. So I think Detroit still needs

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to get better from the offensive creation.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on in that sense. For sure.

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Speaker 1: Do you trust Asara Thompson to get better offensively at all?

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Speaker 2: You didn't?

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Speaker 4: I do, but but I mean in terms of like

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the most crucial areas such as shooting. I yeah, that's yeah,

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and go Yeah. I trust also Thompson as a shooter,

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like not really, So we'll see what happens. Like I

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will say, one guy who we should probably devote more

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energy on in terms of like the Pistons context, is

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year three of Ron Holland has to go a lot better.

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I think, I think there's something there. I think defensively

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he's interesting, but I need to see him become more

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of an offensive, elite inclined player because that was also

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his m O at G League IIG nine as a

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player overall was he was someone who could go get

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you scoring. He was someone who could go get you

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three free FROs, and we haven't seen that at the

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NBA level at all. And shooting wise, he's been dreadful.

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So needs to see something pop for for Ron Holland

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Speaker 1: Honestly he's someone on if you're married to Sara Thompson.

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I'm looking to trade Ron Holland I just don't see

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the long term fit with him. And again we're assuming

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Speaker 2: And now back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My pick now right, let's see, let's go to my

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Toronto Raptors. Oh, they got some guy named Kawi Leonard.

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We don't know about his extension yet, but we assume

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he's going to design one they need.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go with the Raptures or a company

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that the Raptures associate themselves with.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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Speaker 1: Did you see Kyle Lowry's speech, his retirement speech.

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he did it intentionally based I watched

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the like the full clip and just the way he sound,

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it didn't sound like he did this intentionally.

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Speaker 2: But Kawhi Leonard was there.

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Speaker 1: He was talking about the Kawhi Leonard acquisition and he said,

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you know you aspire to win a championship after you

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make that move. And I because it's Kyle Lowry, you

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never know, right, But it didn't sound like he did

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it on purpose.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was incredible. It was an incredible moment.

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Speaker 3: Though, that's fantastic, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: There are It's uncomfortable because I'm so high on this team.

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I think you could go three different ways here. You

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could go with big Man Insurance behind Yaka Pertle. You

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could go with more guard creation, or you could go

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with shooting. I'm gonna go with shooting because I think

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Kawhi is just a huge upgrade as a creator from

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Brandon Ingram. Look at like how many pull up threes

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he made last year, and then I'm just because I

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think that their best closing lineup is gonna be Kawhi,

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Scottie Barnes and calaminary Boyles in the front court. I'm

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not gonna waste too much energy on Oh, they need

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like another big man in here. So I think it

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just needs to be Now if they can get a

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stretch five, that'd be super interesting for this team. I

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think it just needs to be shooting. You look at this,

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even with the improvement that you're going to get from Leonard,

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who took a lot more threes last year, Scotty's teammates

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forty six percentile in three point shot making last season,

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thirty first and three point attempt rate, and twenty fourth

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in pull up three point efficiency. Again, Kawhi takes care

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of some of that Manuel quickly. He's he helps there too,

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but he was already there last season. Are we relying

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more on Jamison Battle to play a bunch of minutes here?

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Do we think can Jamal shed improve as a shooter.

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This team has a chance to be nasty defensively, but

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they still need and they don't have a ton of

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stuff left to trade now or a ton of financial

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flexibility for that matter. But even going out there and

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getting someone like Ashai Mia Kaylea Luke might help them.

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Speaker 2: Like that's the type of.

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Speaker 1: I just don't between Kawhi and like their best shooters

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are who Kawhi Emmanuel Quickly and Jamison battle and if

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you like, if you trust Jakobe Walter, you throw him

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in there.

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Speaker 2: Just don't think that's enough. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't trust to Kobe Walter yet I think their upside.

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I'm not out of him as a prospect whatsoever, but

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I'm not at that point where I'm putting my eggs

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in the Jacoby Walter can shoot basket whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And even I feel as if he's a solid three

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and D option, but the three is always going to

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be Is he taking enough on a permanent basis? So yeah,

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But I will say what made me think about going

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with something like maybe just focusing on the center spot

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is because I really do think, with all due respect

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to brandon Ingram that Kawhi is such an upgrade for

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this team.

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Speaker 2: This isn't perfect.

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Speaker 1: Like the Raptors did have a top ten half court

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offense last year, but Kawhi had a sixty two point

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six true shooting percentage with the Clippers when he played

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against top ten defenses last year, and you're throwing that

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in for brandon Ingram is just a massive upgrade. I'm

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interested to see. And I do think they're kind of

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obligated too, so it's not spicy take. I think they

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will do something in the middle of the season to

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address this, Yes.

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Speaker 4: But like largely we agree it's it's a shooting related issue.

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I think a lot of this also changes if Colin

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Murray Boyles comes back with a reliable three point shot,

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Like he only made seventeen threes his first year.

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Speaker 1: So that he would have to make a pretty bad

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The percentage wasn't bad on those though, right, No.

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Speaker 4: Thirty four, it's fine, Yeah, but like it's just so

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low volume that we can sit here and talk about, like,

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can we put any stock into fifty overall attempts from three?

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I don't know, but I just I don't hate his release.

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I don't hate like his shot selection. I think he's

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like pretty smart about understanding when does when do I

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have time to take this shot? When am I under

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pressure enough to have to seek out alternative reaction patterns.

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I kind of trust him to just make the right decision.

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So if you can lean into him as more of

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a shooter, if you can get there, that would be

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a huge help.

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Speaker 1: And it does it make you feel better that he

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shot so well on arc threes in comparison to corner threes,

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because then maybe it's okay, can you screen for Scottie

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and you can pop or you could just hit some

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trail threes in he.

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Speaker 4: Hit seventeen threes all year. I'm not putting suck into

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any of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about the free throws?

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Speaker 1: So he's at sixty five percent from the line, that's

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not necessarily a good harbinger again, low volume under two

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A yeah.

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Speaker 3: Every yeah.

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Speaker 4: See that's the thing. He he was primarily just a

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two point conversion player, So something has to take up

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somewhere else offensively for him.

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Speaker 1: That or you just bank on Scottie Barnes turning into

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a good pull up three point shooter or a good stand

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still three point shooter. Is that still there's always there's

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flickers and flashes of Oh, Scotty Barnes is drilling like

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a trillion percent of his mid range jumpers.

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Speaker 2: You never know.

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Speaker 4: I I mean, look, he'd be lovely, but I mean

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he hit forty percent threes year. I just don't think

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we've seen enough from him in that department for me

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to trust it. But if it suddenly comes around, sure,

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I mean.

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Speaker 1: I clearly don't trust that I have shooting listed as

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the need. I clearly trust that exactly.

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Speaker 4: Then let's just stick with that, because I think we're

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very much in agreement on this. Your pick, Oh, it's

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me hmm, all right, Uh Pacers, Let's go Pacers.

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Speaker 2: Can you can?

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Speaker 1: I just preface this with I looked at this team, yeah,

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and it took me way longer to come up with

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a need than I was thinking, because it's not like

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I'm ready to pick them to win the East, but

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I'm looking at the talent they have, and if Johnny

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Fervey is gonna be healthy, I might be ready to

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say some pretty reckless things about why aren't we talking

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about the Indiana Pacers Leading into next day, they feel

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like they might be one of the most complete teams

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in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 4: Right, which is why I'm gonna bush a bubble just

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a little bit, because I also have shooting here. I

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guess I look, they're they're an okay is shooting team,

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especially if Haliberton is back and fully healthy.

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Speaker 3: But there are.

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Speaker 4: Certain areas where I'm less optimistic, like supbat shakam uh

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front line, Like Siam isn't a knockdown three point shooter.

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We know Sue isn't much of a shooter, Like he

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can take the mid range pop, which is good, but

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like the long ball not really, So like how do

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you bridge that? C. C. McConnell's still on the roster,

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He's not much of a shooter. Jeris Walker was still

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like it's up and now. I don't think it's very

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much the Jacoby Walter situation with Jeris Walker, like we

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might believe in him, but at the same time we

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might not. It depends on the week we're kind of in.

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So to me, I think shooting is definitely one thing.

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I like the Kelli Oupra acquisition. I thought that was

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severely underrated, especially I would like eight was it was?

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Speaker 1: It even made you think because I was kind of wondering, Look,

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he played some center, but like he got a lot

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of wings last year. And so if you don't have

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Johnny Furphy in the rotation, the fact you of Kelly Uber,

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who guarded a metric ton of wings yep last year,

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and just he fits. You need him to get off

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the ball quicker or to pass at like at all whatsoever.

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But he fits like the way he can move off

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the ball or get out.

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Speaker 2: He does fit.

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Speaker 1: Let him and Obi topping on the court at the

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same time. The pacers might just be a blur in

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transition at that point.

477
00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 4: So but yeah, so I'm sticking with my three point

478
00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,799
shooting accuracy skepticism.

479
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: At this point.

480
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 4: That is my biggest question or biggest need for them

481
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:39,440
at this current stage, because if they can get a

482
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,559
couple more guys in who can spread the floor, things

483
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,319
could be really fun.

484
00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: That's interesting, And I think you're right in the sense

485
00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:50,799
that they don't have aside from Tyre's haliburt, and you

486
00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:52,960
don't look at anyone on this team and say they're

487
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,599
ultra high volume for three maybe relative to their position,

488
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,200
like a Jay Huff permanent relative to his position. Sure,

489
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,559
had I ended up settling on I was trying to

490
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,480
decide between they either need another guard creator just how

491
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,000
much like TJ McConnell, how much gas does he have

492
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,119
left in the tank. And he's also comes with his

493
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,599
own you know you mentioned shooting. That's not someone who's

494
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:15,440
gonna be hitting a ton of threes. They do have

495
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:19,359
Quenton Jackson, Haliburton's coming back, you have Andrew Nemhard, but

496
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,359
it feels like they need a Maybe it doesn't need

497
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,200
to be a guard, but maybe another ball handler on

498
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:28,680
this team that's not Pascal siakam Or. I didn't like

499
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,599
waving Micah Potter to sign Larry Nance junior. The theory

500
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,880
of Larry Nance Junior is great, but he's older, doesn't

501
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,400
really play. Michael Potter shot well from three last year,

502
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,039
which gets into your you know, Zubats isn't gonna take

503
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,599
those threes, so they have both him and Huff coming.

504
00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: Off the bench.

505
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: I think they could stand to maybe upgrade the reserve

506
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,119
big rotation. But I did have a trade for them,

507
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,319
and it was curious. There's a challenge trade of who

508
00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:56,839
says no, Jim A Hawkes Oh Jim Hawks for Jaris

509
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,000
Walker and Ben Sheppard.

510
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:03,519
Speaker 3: Who says no, oh, that's good.

511
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,319
Speaker 2: Hawk has checked the ball not the shooting, to be clear,

512
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:06,839
that's it.

513
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: I think I think.

514
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:11,519
Speaker 4: Milwaukee says noted that because hak has just had that

515
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:14,359
good of a year and Walker had what was just

516
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,680
the second half of the year that was okay for him.

517
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,559
Speaker 2: Sheppard just had the extra year of cost control, which

518
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:20,279
is why.

519
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:25,279
Speaker 4: And and Shephard was okay. I actually thought he'd play

520
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,400
better given that he was given a real chance at minutes. Defensively,

521
00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:32,960
I think he's really good. I thought he'd up the

522
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,039
offensive volume a little bit because frankly, I trusted his

523
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,839
shot release. I trusted him as an offensive player. But

524
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,559
for some reason, he seemed passive, not that engaged. I

525
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,640
felt like, so maybe it's just because he's young. There's

526
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,319
time yet, like if we're getting a version of Ben

527
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,720
Sheppard that's more aggressive, they're not willing to relinquish Haimi

528
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,880
Hawkins with those two. But right now I have the

529
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,839
known commodity of hok Kiss, which I think is a

530
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,880
little bit more important.

531
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:02,599
Speaker 3: That's fair.

532
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,519
Speaker 1: Do you think if that deal, say that deal has

533
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,799
to go through, am I a first round pick short

534
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,920
or is it we're talking second round?

535
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:10,839
Speaker 3: Second round?

536
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:14,079
Speaker 4: The conversation, because we saw what seconds could give you

537
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,920
this summer, Like, I'm not trying to downplay that, like

538
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,599
so many guys would just move for nothing, so it

539
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,119
will see.

540
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:27,039
Speaker 1: Let so my turn, Let's go to Boston. I did

541
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,880
find it funny that, regardless of what you think of

542
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,279
the uh Jalen Brown trade, the fact that Brad Stevens

543
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,480
kind of lamented the lack of rim pressure on this

544
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:39,279
team at the end of the year and then went

545
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,240
out and traded the guy who's best suited to providing

546
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:46,720
rim pressure is problematic. The Celtics were when you start

547
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,519
to dig into the numbers from last year, they were

548
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,440
twenty ninth in shot attempts at the rim and the

549
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,319
half court per one hundred possessions, and they were fourteenth

550
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,640
out of sixteenth during the playoffs. Jalen Brown led the

551
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240
team in hon assist did rim attemps per one hundred

552
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,960
possessions at eight point four to eight. Next up with

553
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,599
Jason Tatum at five point three. You're replacing Jalen Brown

554
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,839
with Paul George, who averaged two point seven unassisted roem

555
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,920
attemps per one hundred possessions last year. What comes along

556
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,400
with that room pressure too? Are they going to be

557
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,440
able to get to the foul line enough that already

558
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,799
wasn't necessarily a strength with Jason Tatum and Brown, and

559
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,240
now you're removing Brown, who led the team in free

560
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,720
throw attempts per seventy five possessions last year. He didn't

561
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,559
necessarily have this profound impact on the team's overall three.

562
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:32,920
Like when you start to really dig into the advanced metrics,

563
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,119
that's where their John Brown discussion gets so fascinating. George

564
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:38,920
just isn't going to get to the foul line at

565
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,359
the same rate. And I do think you're losing something

566
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:45,200
when you look at Jalen Brown's performance against top five

567
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,640
defenses last year, fifty six true shooting against top ten defenses.

568
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,319
If you broaden that up, fifty six true shooting again,

569
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,160
not incredibly high, but at least it's that league averages

570
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:59,680
baseline against these elite defenses. Paul George was in the

571
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,920
fifty threes in both of those filters. So if I'm Boston,

572
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,519
you have Mitchell Robinson now on the offensive glass, which

573
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,799
will matter for sure, and he's gotten better at throwing

574
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:13,079
the ball out for three pointers, which fits Missoula ball,

575
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,200
as does the offensive rebounding. I don't know where this

576
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:20,720
team is going to generate rim pressure from though in transition. Yeah, sure,

577
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:22,200
they could do it in the half court, though I

578
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,160
don't like who's best suited to do that for them, Right,

579
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,000
it's probably Jason Tatum. I don't think that's probably Yeah,

580
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,200
it's yes, Okay, So after Jason Tatum, is it? I

581
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,759
guess it's Derek White? Is that the the answer?

582
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

583
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably right, Peyton Pritcher're gonna pinch no. I it's

584
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,200
the fact that we even have Jalen Brunts in two

585
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,240
point zero. So all right, oh god, that was the

586
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:51,720
sake my biggest need for these guys. And I don't

587
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,319
mean to troll them, because this is just the reality

588
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,000
of the situation.

589
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,039
Speaker 3: Center.

590
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: Look, we can't sit here and act as though Mitchell

591
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:04,640
Robinson can be penciled in for sixty plus games every

592
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,160
single year.

593
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: He just why.

594
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, why not? Dan? Why not? So? So like, great, okay,

595
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,839
they got him in there.

596
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 4: Look, I'm crossing everything I have here that I am

597
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,680
that he's healthy and that it'll be fine. But history

598
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,880
kind of suggests otherwise, which means that Cata once again

599
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,440
could be in a role where he will have to

600
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,599
overextend himself or it'll have to go back. You will

601
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,400
have to go back to the Luca Garsa wacken it.

602
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,599
So I'm just a little bit worried about the quality

603
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,480
and depth at center.

604
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: I think that's fair and it's a fair quite.

605
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,799
Speaker 1: The Knicks cheaping out after winning a title not going

606
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,000
to the second aprin I think is bullshit. With that

607
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:54,160
being said, when you dig into the Mitchell Robinson contract

608
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,400
A two plus one, so three guaranteed years. Yeah, even

609
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,839
if the Knicks were willing to go into the second

610
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,519
A B, that's a conversation I'm having as a front

611
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,039
office as to the wather we're matching that deal.

612
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: So that's in support of your point.

613
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,759
Speaker 1: I think they probably will cobble together enough from the

614
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,480
center position because Garza was pretty good for them last year.

615
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,119
Could they go out and to your point or not,

616
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,000
to the team that they're building, do you go like,

617
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,599
could you get a Kyle Philipowski just to add more

618
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,240
stretch because right now, Mitchell Robinson and Kada aren't gonna

619
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,319
add a ton of stretch for you.

620
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: Garza might that's such a good player to bring up

621
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,000
Kyle Philipowski. I think he's such a Boston guy.

622
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Could he play center though, because he can't. He's not

623
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,319
doesn't play like he feels like against Robinson he probably could,

624
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,160
and the rest probably a little bit. So that's I

625
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,920
think they'll just get enough at the center spot that

626
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,119
I would view rim pressures because even if you look

627
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,799
at their centers, like Mitchell Robinson just doesn't have a

628
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,759
ton of offensive value in general general. Kada is more

629
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,599
versatile on that end, but he's not, Like so even

630
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,799
at the center spot, you're not looking at them and saying, well,

631
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,480
we have someone who could generate a ton of rim

632
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:07,720
pressure outside of whether they're in transition or getting offensive

633
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,400
rebounds or have a wide open lane of the bet like,

634
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,960
do you have a decision maker at the center of

635
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,200
the floor who could like make the three two or

636
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,240
three dribble decision that might be lacking at the center spot.

637
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,559
Speaker 2: I think rim pressure is probably the bigger issue for

638
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:19,880
this team.

639
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,799
Speaker 1: And I also, just as I said top, I think

640
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,400
it's hilarious that they they publicly pinpointed it as the

641
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,279
biggest issue and then proceeded to make it worse over

642
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:28,960
the offseason.

643
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,119
Speaker 3: Yep, So was that a question? Can we move on?

644
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: What you can answer it? If you think it was

645
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:36,880
a question.

646
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,839
Speaker 3: I don't think it was. I agree.

647
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,519
Speaker 1: Oh, a regulator says Chris Kanac should get twelve minutes

648
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,119
a game two, so raw though that that would be

649
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,640
the other thing that I didn't get. YOUO Gonzales might

650
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,279
we didn't mention his name. That might be someone or

651
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,319
maybe a bayl or shireman Jordan Walsh too. Uh, that

652
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,759
is that's fair, that's a really good I didn't give enough.

653
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,119
I wouldn't bet on CC doing it, but right, Lo

654
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,279
Gonzales or Jordan Waller. Yeah, I still think you made

655
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,880
you made the rim pressure issue worse though, right, just

656
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,279
by getting rid of John Brown.

657
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have the Miami heat here.

658
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Oh, just the most anti climactic, the honest destination of

659
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,920
all time. Congratulations on leaving Milwaukee to not contend for

660
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,640
a title, honest, great great work.

661
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: So so.

662
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:33,559
Speaker 4: Guards, no, just guards. Dabian Mitchell and Tim Hardaway.

663
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,319
Speaker 3: Junior are going to play a billion minutes this.

664
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:41,559
Speaker 4: Year unless something happens like okay, Pela Larson too. But yeah,

665
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:47,440
respective Throne, Yeah, you're gonna need something else here, like

666
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:51,759
I don't know who that is, but there is some

667
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,799
huge lack of playmaking from the guard spot.

668
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Well, do you you want a stat that should terrify

669
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:02,599
the Miami and their fans. Yes, here are the three

670
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,960
players who led them in half court creation last season,

671
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Jaime hawkez Tyler Hero and Norman Powell. Oh god, how

672
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,079
many of those guys are still on the team. Yeah,

673
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:17,160
you got Giannis to be fair, true.

674
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 4: But.

675
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: At what, like you don't even have You can't even

676
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,799
look at say, well, maybe Yaconas is going to provide

677
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:26,400
us with that outlet. Oh he's gone too. He's also

678
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Oh okay, Pelee Larson, like, we really need you to

679
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,359
kind of him and Davion Mitchell are just way too

680
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,559
critical to the Heats offensive structure right now.

681
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look in regards to Pela Larson, you can

682
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,359
never trust a suite to do anything.

683
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: So that's just that's where we are.

684
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how they they are from a need perspective,

685
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Could you argue that they are the team that needs

686
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:52,359
Lebron the most?

687
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: If everyone has to.

688
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: Mention, See that's the thing, because look, Lebron is going

689
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,720
to be forty two. Can you imagine getting him and

690
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,200
installing him as the starting point guard? That is just

691
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,839
that's too tall task for someone at that age, Like

692
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,839
I just don't know where to place him.

693
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,119
Speaker 3: They're absolutely well.

694
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,799
Speaker 1: I think if you start Andrew Wiggins, bam Oudebaio, Jannis Lebron,

695
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,480
and Davion Mitchell, you're fine. Lebron is your point guard

696
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,240
but doesn't have to play point guard on defense.

697
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,519
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, so you kind of switched the roles, all right,

698
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:27,960
Yeah maybe, and then you have wigs guarding like two's

699
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:31,920
yeah okay, I can. I can sort of see it,

700
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,599
like you definitely need something. You need creation at some

701
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,160
level that isn't Giannis and and Bam because like Bam

702
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,400
is okay, Giannis is better, but like none of those

703
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,279
guys are like true elite playmakers. So and Mitchell I

704
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,279
felt like even though he was averaging what like seven

705
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:52,480
assists last year, it felt as though so many of

706
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440
those assists were just like him passing the ball along

707
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,559
the baseline and like they were not advanced playmaking, right,

708
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,279
Like he's fine, I'm not trying to rag on him,

709
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,720
but like it was simple assists. They were just simple.

710
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,840
So I'm just gonna need something else from the card spot.

711
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't how do they get it? So they have

712
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,000
ten million dollars in room beneath the first apron right now,

713
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
which they cannot go over. It's but they don't have

714
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,760
a like you have to turn Yovich and or Bobby

715
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,679
Portis into something, right.

716
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: I thought they'd pivot off Portois, but I don't know.

717
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: Maybe I just I don't even know who is.

718
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: Like what does that put you, like in the market

719
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,920
for could you get both? Like, could you put those

720
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,719
two together and get Jalen Green?

721
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: Hmmm?

722
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, But does Jalen Green solve anything?

723
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:46,079
Speaker 2: No?

724
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,679
Speaker 1: No, I mean at this point, I feel like you're

725
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,159
kind of praying for a zach Lavine buy out or something.

726
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,599
I mean, Demart Rosen's floating around out there on the

727
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:53,679
market as we're talking.

728
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's let's add tomorrow to it. Seemed that

729
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,440
like doesn't really have a whole lot of floor spacing

730
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:02,880
as is.

731
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,559
Speaker 3: Okay, could you.

732
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Talk the Kings into the dude, I mean, I don't

733
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,280
even know what the heat's second round pick situation is.

734
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,840
But like, does Yovich and seconds get you Malik Monk

735
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:14,000
from Sacramento?

736
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,639
Speaker 2: Probably not. Even that would be a little bit underwhelming.

737
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,639
I mean relative to the roster, I think that's a

738
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:22,159
whole run.

739
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, you're right, you're right, but like, yeah,

740
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,880
so Miami, I think Miami have like quite a few questions.

741
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: Can you get Scoot Henderson for free? Now that John

742
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,000
Moran's in Portland? Like what's going on?

743
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: God?

744
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's look that actually that's a good point. Like

745
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,519
maybe if you want to point guard, go fish in Portland.

746
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,639
Like there are a lot of guys there. There's Drew,

747
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,599
there's Scoot, there's Dame, there's job Like.

748
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: Whoever Fish in Portland got ma? That was good.

749
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,199
Speaker 1: I wish they don't even have enough to like Cam

750
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Spencer or Tie Jerome would make a lot of sense

751
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,480
on this team. They're gonna end up getting D'Angel Russell

752
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,400
off a bio market probably, isn't that.

753
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: Oh poor Miami fans.

754
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have man and Formy Simon's for the

755
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,320
deal he signed would have made even with Tim Hardway

756
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,320
Junior would have made a lot of sense in Miami too.

757
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:17,199
Speaker 3: I agree.

758
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,079
Speaker 4: I was very, very uh surprised that he didn't sign.

759
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,039
There are they the how low are you?

760
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: They can't?

761
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: Like there's no Yovich Bobby Ports for Josh Giddy? Would

762
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:29,719
you want that in? That would actually make a lot

763
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,599
of sense. I just don't know why Chicago would do it.

764
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 4: Oh, that would actually be pretty interesting, wouldn't it not.

765
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: For Chicago, yo, which is four years left on a

766
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,599
deal where he wasn't really a rotation player last year,

767
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,400
regulator says Brandon Williams at the minimum, he'd be interesting.

768
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,760
But are we just gonna have no shooting on the

769
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,119
heat at that point? Just Tim Hardaway junior and hopes

770
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:51,559
and dreams and that's it, right?

771
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh and Jovic floor space or baby in theory.

772
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 4: In theory, no, we'll see. And by the way, even

773
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,119
if they did get gidd like not a natural scorer

774
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,199
either or sorry that Netill shooter.

775
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: Either also fair.

776
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,159
Speaker 1: I think just with the level of like spray out

777
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,360
he get from Giannis would probably be fine. But yeah, yeah,

778
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,840
that is the need like that that you could talk

779
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,559
yourself into overall depth for this team. But it's Miami

780
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,880
just needs guard creations so so badly.

781
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,119
Speaker 2: It is my turn. Who haven't we done yet? Uh?

782
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Let's see here, Yeah, well duh, let's go to uh,

783
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,400
let's go to Philly, all right?

784
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: They I they need shooting.

785
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,599
Speaker 1: Right, especially because they got Anfrey Simons, which I thought

786
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,880
was good. Uh, And then I think So what I

787
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,360
do think is overblown is the one ball argument with

788
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:48,079
Jallen Brown, Tyres max evje Comben, Joel Embiid. We saw

789
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:52,039
Joel Embiid scale back his on ball action share last year.

790
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,519
He only used twenty five point four percent of the

791
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:57,079
team's on ball offensive possessions when he was on the court,

792
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,599
but Tyres Maxie was at fifty one point three in

793
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,920
Jaale Brown is at forty seven point seven. I think

794
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:05,920
ideally you want Tyres Maxi to not have to be

795
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,639
on the ball that often, and so he addresses some

796
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,280
of the off ball shooting concerns.

797
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: And we've seen Jalen Brown be on the.

798
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: Ball much less as recently as the season before. Last

799
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,039
season he used thirty seven point two percent of Boston's

800
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:22,519
on ball possessions. So I'm not worried about the distribution.

801
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,880
I'm worried about, Okay, where is the gravity or the

802
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,360
knockdown shooting coming from. You do have Simons, you have

803
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,119
Maxi vj Edgecomb just isn't like he could be there,

804
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,599
but he's not there yet. Jalen Brown's in the thirtieth

805
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,840
percentile of catch and shoot three point efficiency last year.

806
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,920
Two of their top four players in off ball gravity

807
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,199
last season are just gone, and so it's all right, Simons.

808
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Will help you.

809
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Do we need the Baron Filon to play minutes in

810
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,280
Philly And that's probably not ideal if you because it's

811
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,159
not even just the shooting. Do you need more of

812
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,360
a ball handling option off the bench, which I think

813
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,119
Simon's addresses enough of that, but he's not a born playmaker.

814
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,320
He's a better passer than a Colin Sexton. But so

815
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,840
I think that's what this team needs. A shooting and

816
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,079
maybe like a different, a more seasoned guard creation coming

817
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:14,599
off the bench.

818
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: But for me, it's just if you're gonna have Jayen Brown.

819
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid and or another bit like it's Joelle just

820
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,800
a big man, Jaylen Brown a big man. And then

821
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,360
how do you feel about Tyre Spaxy's not afraid to

822
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,760
take three pointers? How do you feel about him though

823
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,880
as a knockdown shooter. It's really just Maxi and Simon's

824
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,920
on this roster as knockdown spacers.

825
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: Yep, I don't disagree, and I will one up here

826
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,360
and say power forward. It's a need for me. They

827
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,559
just they don't really have a good four if they

828
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,960
get Trenton Watford back. I think that helps, but like

829
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,800
is it enough? That's the question? Right, Like, then you're

830
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,039
you're pivoting between Dominic Barlow and and Trenton Watford. We

831
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,760
saw that last year some Jabbari Walker like sprinkled in

832
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,639
here and there. I guess it's fine, or unless we

833
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,360
were just kind of putting Dean Wade into that spot.

834
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,039
Speaker 3: Maybe we are.

835
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,159
Speaker 4: It just feels like they need a better four, someone

836
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:12,480
who's a little bit more connective.

837
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: Do you so you don't think between Dean Wade and

838
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,840
John Brown they just have it have it covered.

839
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I would like someone because I would like

840
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,599
someone with a little bit more size, at least if

841
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,320
Brown is going to play some of those minutes because

842
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480
we again, we just don't know with embiid right, Like

843
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:30,119
we don't know if he's going to go down, how

844
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,320
long he's gonna stay healthy. So, like, if you're putting

845
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,679
a lot of onus on Dominic Barlow, for example, in

846
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,440
Dean Wade and aerial, howk porty to just do big

847
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,360
man stuff assuming EMBID isn't available. I feel as though

848
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,119
that could be pretty taxing. So I would like to

849
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,920
see someone in there. Who's like a bigger four, who

850
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,519
has perhaps a little bit of center position center experience,

851
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,519
or who just has a skill set that could be interesting.

852
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,199
Speaker 2: But lebron j do it for you? He would, Yes,

853
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,320
all right, bald, Bald.

854
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,559
Speaker 1: There's not slim Pickens on the fore market in free agency. Yeah,

855
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,280
Keishaw Johnson would be interesting, but he's a little bit

856
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,920
on the smaller side. He does play a lot of

857
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,719
four before what you're talking about. He's a little on

858
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,239
the smaller side. Yeah, uh no, keep Kamingo away from

859
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,480
this team. Shire Williams doesn't do it not. Baggie Flyer

860
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:27,480
might be interesting, but he's probably better at guarding down. Yeah,

861
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,320
And I mean, like they don't have you still like

862
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,199
the Paul George John Brown trade, didn't trade their salary structure.

863
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,440
They're so top heavy as to where until the like

864
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,440
the trade deadline, will they'll have a couple of like

865
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,960
middle and Dean Wade and every assignmons. They just don't

866
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,440
have these salaries to move. So I think that the

867
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,719
team we're looking at now is kind of just the

868
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,880
team that they're going to go into the season with too.

869
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,519
So I guess we'll get an answer as to what

870
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:52,360
is the bigger need.

871
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's your next pick?

872
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: So my next pick the Milwaukee Bucks, and it's home

873
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,639
most unfair because I have questions and their needs everywhere,

874
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,800
so like should we I just want to cover them

875
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,159
because like maybe we should ask in reverse, what do

876
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,800
they have covered Tyler hero.

877
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,039
Speaker 2: I?

878
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,559
Speaker 1: So short term, you I think you can make the

879
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:22,719
case that they're set with guards for Tyler hero Ryan Robins,

880
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,599
and Brandon Burry's being there, just to name a few.

881
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,960
But long term, are you prepared to say anyone on

882
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,800
this rosters just to dead on because we don't know

883
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,159
what Burry's or even Nata meant is going to become.

884
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,559
So the answer is yeah, nothing, Like long.

885
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,079
Speaker 4: We don't know check shit, Yeah we don't know anything.

886
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,440
And that's kind of why I want them cover it

887
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,159
here because that's their need. Their need is talent, future talent,

888
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,159
and maybe that doesn't come around this year. Maybe it's

889
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,280
a it's unfair to put that moniker on them that

890
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,880
they need talent, But I mean, we're doing a podcast

891
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,320
about all for they teams, so we need to bring

892
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,800
them up and right now that is their need talent.

893
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,159
Speaker 1: If I was to boil it down to an archetype

894
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:11,840
of player. You go up and down their current depth

895
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,480
chart their roster. Do they not have a single three

896
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,800
and D wing on this team?

897
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: No, not really.

898
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,119
Speaker 1: They just traded Torrian Prince and Gary Harris, who are

899
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,280
imperfect answers to that question.

900
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not It's definitely not Kyle. It's not Green

901
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,400
like Green comes closest, right, he comes closest. Is like,

902
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:39,960
is the the guy with the most upside to answer

903
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,320
that question?

904
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: Is that Brydon Berry's.

905
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, which I which in terms of upside that's problematic.

906
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,719
But actually he might be the answer to that question

907
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,320
right now too, because he's already good defensively, can score

908
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,320
off motion, so he's probably the answer.

909
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,599
Speaker 2: But after that it's I don't like, can we throw

910
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:01,920
Nate a? And there I'm with you. It's not Kyle Kuzma.

911
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,199
But you look at this team, I will say so

912
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,199
when you when.

913
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: We say they need talent, we're talking about long term cornerstones,

914
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,000
because they actually have a lot of talent on his roster.

915
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they right.

916
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 4: But they don't necessarily have the type of talent that

917
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,599
that moves the needle to a major extent, Right, I

918
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:22,280
think that's fair.

919
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:23,199
Speaker 2: To say, who's Jang?

920
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 4: Well, they kept him, that's good. I mean when they

921
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,760
I saw that they didn't they renounce him or something.

922
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,320
At some point I was like, what what is going

923
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,440
on here? And then they still retained him. It was like, oh, like,

924
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,679
don't throw this kid away. That'd be dumb. But then again,

925
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,880
they also chose native end of the draft. And I'm

926
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,320
still not sure what he actually does on a basketball floor.

927
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: But he's giving me which is awful, like poor man

928
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:55,119
Zachary Resiche vibes and that's not but he's so raw.

929
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:59,320
Jonathan Wasserman, bleacher Boards draft guru wasn't particularly high on him,

930
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,519
but even said the highest end outcome of him is

931
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:04,719
just maybe someone that we really haven't like. There isn't

932
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,960
a good analog for interesting. Bet Richard says Milwaukee needs

933
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,159
to avoid relegation. I honestly know they don't. They don't

934
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,119
control their own first round pick. They could, They could

935
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:16,840
be in the relegation zone if they want. I think

936
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,360
they have too much talent to be one of the

937
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,360
Bond three teams. Why so, asked, are they a case

938
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,360
and Wallace suitor?

939
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: Sure?

940
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:28,119
Speaker 3: But to what end you see would you rather?

941
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,119
Speaker 1: Well, here's a question would you rather pay Because they're

942
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,280
both gonna be up for new their new deals will

943
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,480
kick in at the same time, would you rather pay

944
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,800
Ryan Rollins or Caseen Wallace Ryan Rollins?

945
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,599
Speaker 2: So what I I think just the offensive upside is high.

946
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the shooting the creation absolutely regularly ask what

947
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:48,039
happens to Tyler Hero?

948
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: I don't which did we go through any teams yet

949
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,840
that would actually make sense for a time.

950
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,039
Speaker 2: I think he's good and he's on an expiring contract.

951
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I just don't know what you get for him, right,

952
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,599
But I think he gets traded.

953
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: I would be pretty so.

954
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: I know he's a Wisconsin native, but I'd be surprised

955
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,440
if he's on the bucks pass to trade that line,

956
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:06,760
I would agree.

957
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,199
Speaker 4: I think he's an obvious trade candidate. I have no

958
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,079
idea where he goes, but like someone is going to

959
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:14,960
need the offense, and look, he's extension eligible. So there's

960
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,519
also this finagling of trying to figure out from other teams,

961
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,559
like what can we actually offer, can we have permission

962
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,119
to negotiate with the Age, and like what are we

963
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:30,480
looking at because apparently like the Wizards had a commitment

964
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,480
from Trey Young in terms of the extension before they

965
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:34,239
traded for him.

966
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,519
Speaker 2: So that's a thing now.

967
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I wasn't completely buying if it wasn't Brooklyn,

968
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,639
who seemed they were just desperate to get someone like

969
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,000
him there. I wasn't buying if there was another team

970
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,119
that was going to be prepared to right right maxim out.

971
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: Uh my turn, let's go with.

972
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: Let's go with Washington. We talked about out at length

973
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,400
the other day. I'm going to say I'm not sold

974
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,960
on the shooting around this team just yet, but.

975
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with point of attack defense instead.

976
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,519
Speaker 1: There's really oh when you're looking at who needs to

977
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,440
guard the primary ball handlers.

978
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: Last year, their top four in.

979
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: The percentage of defensive possessions spent guarding primary ball handlers.

980
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:21,360
One of them is off the team, but their top

981
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,199
four was Trey Young, Trey Johnson, Bub Carrington and CJ.

982
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: McCollum.

983
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: That is not okay if you're looking to have a

984
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,800
good defense. And while I do think now they've backstopped them,

985
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,199
they just have a lot of size on the back

986
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,440
line with Anthony Davis, DeAndre and Alexar Tritian Vuksovich is there,

987
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:44,920
He's not really known as a defender. I don't like

988
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,039
who do you trust is a point of attack defender

989
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,239
on this team? But law Koulabali can do some of it.

990
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,960
But I think you also want him on the wings

991
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:57,280
just because they're like Keishawn George is fine. Will Riley

992
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,239
might be fine. I like both of those guys, but

993
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,440
they're not they needed. If they were going to go out.

994
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,599
They got Chris Middleton back for some reason. That was

995
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:10,239
just the Dallas Mavericks and Washington passing d loan Chris

996
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,199
Middleton back and forth.

997
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,079
Speaker 2: Is kind of funny.

998
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: But I would have preferred them to like, can you

999
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,119
go out and get a Chris done for this team?

1000
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,679
Rather than did you need a Chris Middleton? They traded

1001
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,840
for the wrong Chris's that's the more okay?

1002
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: That fair?

1003
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 4: Uh? To answer your question, yes, I would have Billa

1004
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,840
Kulibili as my point of attack defender because frankly, I

1005
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,760
feel more comfortable with de Bonsa and Trey Johnson and

1006
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,719
and Will Riley, keech Or George and so on and

1007
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,760
so on to cover wings. Look, if I'm going to

1008
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,639
have to find value in Kulabli moving forward, because he's

1009
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,039
extension eligible he's going to be a restricted free agent

1010
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,159
next year. If he doesn't sign an extension, you are

1011
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,519
going to need to figure out what the hell he

1012
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:54,639
is and if he's not the offensive player that your

1013
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,559
vision at least turned him into one of those absolutely

1014
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,159
insanely switchable defenders, like you have to find some type

1015
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:02,840
of use for him.

1016
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: At this point, I don't want to just stick him

1017
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:05,760
on wings.

1018
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,639
Speaker 4: I want to throw him into the deep end of

1019
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:11,000
the pool and just say, look, this is going to

1020
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,000
be your fourth year. It's it's just time. It's time

1021
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,400
that you you really showed us that you're worth a

1022
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:19,920
Hugure commitment for For our point of view.

1023
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: I think they would be an interesting and they probably

1024
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,360
have to be other teams involved just because of the money.

1025
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,559
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's not going to say.

1026
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: If they would be a good Loue door team. I

1027
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,639
know he doesn't check the shooting box, but that's the

1028
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,159
I think that's the level of guy that would help out.

1029
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,519
They make everyone because do you, I know you're okay

1030
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:42,559
black coolbai ag Debon says that like those aren't. I

1031
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:44,639
don't know if I want those guys in the point

1032
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:45,679
of attack roles.

1033
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: In general, okay, because.

1034
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,679
Speaker 2: Do one. I don't know if the Bonsa can do it.

1035
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,559
Speaker 1: I feel like he's gonna be, but he needs to

1036
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,599
be against probably guys that are how yeah.

1037
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 4: You know that's super taxing. I also only mentioned like,

1038
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,719
I don't know why you're throwing aj in.

1039
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:07,079
Speaker 1: There just because he's I'm talking about like their core players,

1040
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:08,840
is it? Do you want key Jean George or like

1041
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,679
you have to look at because they don't have it

1042
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,360
in a guard is my point. It's not Carrington, it's

1043
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,840
not Trey Johnson, it's not Trey Young.

1044
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: We just Champagne john justin Champagne. I'll I'll give a

1045
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,079
crack at that role as well.

1046
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: Fair.

1047
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look how high end is that?

1048
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,760
Though not true, but I get they have a lot

1049
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,440
of They have a lot of wings on this team,

1050
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,440
which makes it interesting.

1051
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know, like black.

1052
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: Kula Bali is very clearly their highest n wing defender,

1053
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,679
and I might want I think you'd one want someone other,

1054
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,440
just an extra body, like warm body who can handle

1055
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,000
those responsibilities. So Chris Dunn would be the name I

1056
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,840
would circle, but if lou Dorp becomes available, Although the

1057
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,639
Wizard's salary structures all sorts of messed up too. I mean,

1058
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:53,920
they have DeAndre Ayton's deal that they can ship off

1059
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,480
to another team now. But yeah, so Wizards, I'm going

1060
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,800
with point of attack defense. Shooting is depends on how

1061
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:06,159
much you trust Keean George. Yeah, Trey Johnson, Will Riley,

1062
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,400
that might be a need black label.

1063
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: He has not shown enough there.

1064
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,599
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna start or excuse me, if you're

1065
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:16,400
gonna add any point play Davis and Sar, you really

1066
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,360
need Sar to become just a decided the above average shooter.

1067
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:19,679
Speaker 2: Two.

1068
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the New York Knicks.

1069
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: Who are they? Oh, that's right, the reigning champs.

1070
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah, there we go. And in terms of needs,

1071
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,480
I don't think they have all that many.

1072
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 3: By uh, I.

1073
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:41,039
Speaker 4: Will say offensive depth. I just need a little bit

1074
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:45,440
more scoring pop off the bench. And look, it's not

1075
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:48,079
a lot, but we have to find needs with everyone.

1076
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,079
And that's the one I have. Just I would like

1077
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:53,639
to have someone else come off the bench with a

1078
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,519
little bit more ability to self create and go get

1079
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:57,119
a bucket.

1080
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's totally fair.

1081
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: It Also, you have Jose Alvarado and Duce McBride and

1082
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,519
Jordan Clarkson, but you don't necessarily have that B plus

1083
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,440
ball handler behind Jalen Brunson right now. And I think

1084
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,039
when you look at the passing creation on this team,

1085
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,840
Karnthi Towns has passes statistically the past two years have

1086
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,039
been the highest quality. When you're looking at the shots

1087
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:24,079
they've generated, there's I don't know if you have enough

1088
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:26,599
of a backstop Like Jalen Brunson having wrist surgery is

1089
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,400
kind of a oh crap moment because you only need

1090
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,079
him write for the playoffs, but it just kind of

1091
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:34,519
reminds you how fragile it feels like their offensive infrastructure

1092
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,599
might be. I'm curious if this doesn't get to the

1093
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,639
point of your bench concerns. If the way they use

1094
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,960
kar Anthy Towns for more in the playoffs now kind

1095
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,320
of opens different doors and you can run different where

1096
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,840
you're never without a top tier offensive engine there and

1097
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,920
like something like the lineups without Jallen Brunson have always

1098
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,320
performed well. I do agree with you that would be

1099
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,599
a need. I actually have it as they need a

1100
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:01,480
better backup center. I don't think this isn't just about

1101
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,639
going from Mitchell Robinson to Andre Drummond. I just Andre

1102
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,400
Drummond is graded out as above average rim protector when

1103
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,880
you look at points saved per one hundred possessions, I

1104
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,480
think once his entire career, and you lost mobility going

1105
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,400
from Robinson to him. You maybe gained some flour spacing,

1106
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,639
but you lost rim accuracy. I'd like you look like

1107
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,039
you're it's a downgrade as an offensive rebounding back up five.

1108
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,639
But that's unnecessarily pejorative because no one's as good as

1109
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:33,280
Mitchell Robinson there, and Drummond does enough of it. So

1110
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,360
when I saw them linked to Jannis valenceiunas that's the

1111
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,159
wrong answer when you already have Andre Drummond on your team.

1112
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: I think they need a more mobile.

1113
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,639
Speaker 1: Backup five, which is why the report that they were

1114
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,599
linked to a Musa diabate in trade talks.

1115
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't the salary structure fits.

1116
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how many seconds it would take to

1117
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,840
get him, because Charlotte has a trillion of those. But

1118
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,320
I also don't think you're getting a first for Musa

1119
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,039
when he's about to enter free agency.

1120
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:01,159
Speaker 2: But that's the type.

1121
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Of big they need, and he's not on the open

1122
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,599
market right now. I mean, I wouldn't mind them taking

1123
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:11,440
a flyer on Micah Potter, but they need to trade

1124
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:16,159
I think for another backup big, and I again, but

1125
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,360
another ball handler. I wouldn't hate either, but I think

1126
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,159
that a backup big is just more pressing in the

1127
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:23,360
sense of Karl Anthony Towns even in the playoffs, isn't

1128
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,400
gonna play forty eight minutes a game.

1129
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,679
Speaker 3: I think that's reasonable. So who should next you?

1130
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Orlando Magic because we haven't

1131
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,639
talked about shooting enough more.

1132
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,159
Speaker 2: It's just shooting for this team. Yeah, still right.

1133
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: You could talk yourself into they need more guard creation.

1134
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,639
But I just think, look, if Paolo and Franz and

1135
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:47,400
Desmond Baine and Anthony Black are all healthy, they're gonna

1136
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,719
be fine. Desmond Baine is the only trustworthy catch and

1137
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,639
shoot and pull up threat from deep on this team. Trustworthy.

1138
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:58,960
You want to squint and say, what if John sucks

1139
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,599
is another really good year, or Tristan de Silva shoots it, Okay,

1140
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:07,519
maybe Polo gets better or Franz gets better. Sure, it

1141
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:13,000
is very much Desmond Bane and that is that is it,

1142
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:17,400
And this team is into the luxury tax right now,

1143
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:19,840
I think there were they ten million over the first

1144
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,000
apron or something.

1145
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,679
Speaker 2: I'll go double check that. I don't know where they.

1146
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:25,159
Speaker 1: Get it from or how they get it, but that

1147
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:27,480
needs to be. Go out there and get Bryce Sensaba

1148
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:29,719
from Utah. What is it called like he's cheap I'm

1149
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,159
trying to think of, like cheap shooters. Go get Vic

1150
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,480
Crachi from.

1151
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: I love that you went Sensu box. You know how

1152
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:36,679
big of a fan I am his?

1153
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 2: So yes, I did not.

1154
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,079
Speaker 1: I didn't know you liked Bryce Sensaba at all. I

1155
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:42,679
did when you said that they should max him out

1156
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:43,800
an extension talks.

1157
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: All right, that's what I said.

1158
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: That's true.

1159
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 4: We also Jamal Kane dunks frankly, I don't know if

1160
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,800
you remember that one against the who was the Durham

1161
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,320
He dunked on.

1162
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,039
Speaker 1: Oh yes, well look that counts as vertical spacing then, right,

1163
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:00,280
so look they're solid but yeah, so they are are

1164
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:04,079
as of right now? They're what are they there over

1165
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,039
the tax by or they are? Do we think they

1166
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,639
even finished that they have ten million in first apron space?

1167
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,039
Speaker 2: Excuse me, That's why I spoke.

1168
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: So they just don't have a Oh no, they're ten Yeah,

1169
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:14,440
they're ten million.

1170
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 2: They're ten over yeah, excuse me over.

1171
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: So I don't know how they get a dumb If anything,

1172
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,599
I'm gonna think they're looking to cut costs. But at

1173
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,559
some point, can you turn go go? But although I

1174
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:28,199
guess Mo Wagner is not there anymore? So do they

1175
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,440
need him? When you're looking at kind of their backup

1176
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,719
big man rotation? Like do you how do you feel about?

1177
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 2: Is they can come?

1178
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: Oh they have boots? Now yeah, can you turn go go?

1179
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,400
But Tod's a seven point six number into some type

1180
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,920
of resigned.

1181
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: Didn't he where or did he go somewhere else? Now? No,

1182
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,639
he went to h he's got a mutual option in Brooklyn, Sir.

1183
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: Come on, Oh that's true. Yeah, Okay, that's true. My bad.

1184
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: Maybe Jace Richardson pops this year or do we see

1185
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,400
a lot of Javon Carter Anthony Black gonna be a

1186
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,519
better shooter. They just need they need better shooters.

1187
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 4: They they yeah, and they need to figure out their

1188
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,000
salary struggle because more we have some breaking news that

1189
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:05,159
complicates this, that complicated an exercise we already did a

1190
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:05,639
little bit.

1191
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:12,159
Speaker 1: Okay, developing. This is from Sean Sharania. The Los Angeles

1192
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:15,480
Clippers Toronto Raptors trade centered on Kawhi Leonard will not

1193
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,360
be completed until the NBA investigation into the Clippers is over.

1194
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:28,239
Speaker 2: Oh oh, that's that's awkward. It's a lot awkward. Oh

1195
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,679
all right, so you know what.

1196
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: There's a long statement from the Clippers, but I don't know.

1197
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,960
It just said for the past ten months, our organization

1198
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,800
has fully cooperated with an MBA investigation, participating in dozens

1199
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,320
of interviews, providing tens of thousands of documents, and facilitating

1200
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,320
access to our staff. While the process has been challenging,

1201
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:51,119
we have remained committed to transparency. On Drew dirtieth, we

1202
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:53,760
reached an agreement in principle to trade Kawhi to Toronto.

1203
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:55,880
We have since been informed that the trade can only

1204
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,280
be finalized if the Raptors ownership group assumes the risk

1205
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,599
of penalties relate to contract.

1206
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: Holy shit, Oh my god.

1207
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:07,079
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read the rest of the statement

1208
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,159
because it's really long and I want time to digest

1209
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:10,320
it since we're reading it live.

1210
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: That is interesting.

1211
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: They did close with We remain confident that when the

1212
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,039
facts are evaluated fairly and thoroughly, the NBA will confirm

1213
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:21,280
exactly what we have said from the beginning. We have

1214
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,039
not done what we are accused of doing. This is

1215
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:28,320
actually insane, Yes it is, Yes, it is. That is

1216
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,039
that is wild. That is absolutely wild.

1217
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to I don't even know

1218
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:38,280
what to do. You have any thoughts on that? Just look.

1219
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,239
Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, I'm probably

1220
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:45,360
not surprised, Like again, that investigation was real. I mean,

1221
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,360
this is NBA business Daddy coming home and saying no, no, no, no, no,

1222
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,400
We're not playing like this.

1223
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,239
Speaker 3: Frankly, I get it.

1224
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,519
Speaker 4: I've been very critical of the league over the past

1225
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,519
year or so with a lot of things that they've implemented.

1226
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:58,599
Speaker 3: I agree with this one.

1227
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,159
Speaker 4: I think this is a completely fair and reasonable thing

1228
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:02,960
where they've come in and basically said, no, we need

1229
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,920
to get some ducks in a row before everything happens here.

1230
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,039
Speaker 2: Well, couldn't you.

1231
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm if the NBA is actually going to punish the

1232
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,599
Clippers yet, like it turns out that they they find

1233
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:14,679
we didn't.

1234
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: Do what we're accused of doing.

1235
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,639
Speaker 3: Let's be more.

1236
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:17,559
Speaker 2: Vague than that.

1237
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: If we find out that they are they did what

1238
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,280
they were accused of doing, couldn't you if you're making

1239
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,960
the Kawhi Leonard trade. I guess the concern is because

1240
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,800
his contract could be voided, because couldn't you just retroactively

1241
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,639
say we're docking the Clippers those draft picks?

1242
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,159
Speaker 2: Like what is it? Do you know what I mean? Like?

1243
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:36,639
Speaker 1: What is the What becomes the harm in letting this

1244
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,760
deal go through? If you end up having to punish

1245
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,880
the Clippers? So so like the draft picks goes where

1246
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,960
just back the rounds just end earlier. We have twenty

1247
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:51,119
nine picks that year. They shouldn't go back to Toronto.

1248
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,119
Speaker 2: That'd be just I magine, right, could you imagine? No?

1249
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 4: But like I hate, all right, I hear what you're saying.

1250
00:59:57,039 --> 00:59:59,719
I just hated because that means there are at least

1251
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:04,079
some one player not getting drafted. I that's just that sucks,

1252
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:08,840
Like you want to get drafted. Yeah, I guess you

1253
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,519
could finagle it. But I actually appreciate the way that

1254
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,840
this has developed. I think that's this is the right approach,

1255
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,840
basically taking into steps and then if the league comes

1256
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:23,360
up finding nothing, which okay, yeah, then you can just

1257
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,280
go ahead as planned. But this complicates their off seasons,

1258
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,920
both of them significant.

1259
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: Get ready to speak Canadian Paul George. There's like here

1260
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,960
because they're not bringing brandon Ingram back, right, They're gonna

1261
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,639
go and trade. Uh, they're trade with Paul George or

1262
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:40,599
something may go after Trey Murphy.

1263
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's why.

1264
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: Also, how do you let that leak without, you know,

1265
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:50,719
without kind of confirming with the league that we can

1266
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,320
trade Kawhi Leonard? Then why do you try to trade

1267
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,400
Kawhi Leonard? That is that's mind melding to me that

1268
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,000
the Clippers didn't have confirmation they could do this before,

1269
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,199
not that they had confirmation, but that this wasn't How

1270
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,920
is this not a stipulation or known beforehand?

1271
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:10,599
Speaker 4: And then they were seeking that Toronto took which they

1272
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:14,960
absolutely should not be on the for No, No, that's ridiculous.

1273
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,079
Which is also is that not a bit of a

1274
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:19,320
smoking gun? Oh yeah, Like if you guys take the

1275
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:24,559
take the findes, like what really, Like that's kind of

1276
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,159
assuming that something's going to be found, right.

1277
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't I honestly don't know, because also do the

1278
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,719
is the investigation over? Because it doesn't sound like it's over,

1279
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,480
So what are you said, like, what if it's not

1280
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:38,199
over by the start of the regular season.

1281
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:43,599
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm guessing he's not gonna play until

1282
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:44,400
after it's over.

1283
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: By the way, Kawhi, you don't think we'll play for

1284
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,119
the if he uh, well, I guess that.

1285
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:49,679
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1286
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: I feel like their working relationship with the Clippers is

1287
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,440
fine enough that he.

1288
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:54,719
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, I'm saying.

1289
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:58,039
Speaker 4: I'm saying the league could might come in and say, look,

1290
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:01,960
until all of this is clear, we're just not playing

1291
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:03,039
like we're.

1292
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,159
Speaker 2: But then where were where was this last year? Then? Though,

1293
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,000
so they let him play last year, but we can't

1294
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:07,599
play next year?

1295
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,599
Speaker 4: That's so right, I don't I don't disagree with you,

1296
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:13,760
but like, now that this is out, they have to

1297
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,119
follow through, right, like they have to do something. Get

1298
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:18,280
They can't come out and do this and then and

1299
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,039
then afterwards, feel like Will and Nillian going, oh, it's fine.

1300
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:25,000
He plays like this is salary caps for convention and

1301
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,800
Kawhi's team, you know, has agreed to it in some

1302
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,599
capacity like this, there should be.

1303
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:41,159
Speaker 2: Some level of penalty race against him too. I I

1304
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:42,440
don't know how I feel about one.

1305
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,639
Speaker 1: I want to know just what my biggest qualm is,

1306
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:47,280
How was this not something that was taken to before

1307
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,400
the trade was agreed upon.

1308
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: H I, I just don't.

1309
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,079
Speaker 1: The Rafters can't do this trade. Now, you can't accept

1310
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,880
the penalty. So you're gonna trade draft picks for Kawhi

1311
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,760
Leonard and then get docked draft picks potentially.

1312
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just don't.

1313
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,199
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about said if you

1314
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,119
let him play last year while the investigation was going on,

1315
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:11,039
I don't understand why this move can't grow through and

1316
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,480
then you conrect it, like, just dock them the picks

1317
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,039
after the trade, and then you know what, put those

1318
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,119
Adam Silver loves having tournaments.

1319
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: Have a tournament to see who gets those picks.

1320
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:20,639
Speaker 1: That's where the.

1321
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: Spotslide or something. I don't care.

1322
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,599
Speaker 4: Come on, guys, go out and plate to see if

1323
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:26,480
we can find your replacement. Come on, come on, well

1324
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:28,199
they could.

1325
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: Put Look, I'm just saying this feels like to me,

1326
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:34,280
by the league, feels like a weird line to draw

1327
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,159
unless they got the results and they're in which case,

1328
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:40,440
well then okay, levy the punishment.

1329
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: So I just I guess what I'm most thrown by

1330
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,039
is just how was this not?

1331
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is something that should have been clarified like

1332
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,480
before the trade deadline, because people were wondering if they

1333
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,239
were gonna trade Kawhi. Yeah, so that's that's what I

1334
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:59,960
don't understand here. And now I'm sort of is there?

1335
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:01,840
So can I ask you this question? Is there a

1336
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,039
team Kui is back on the Clippers right now?

1337
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: Now you know this? Is there a team that should

1338
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,840
just go out and trade for them anyway? Like with

1339
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,400
assuming the risk of pedals? Well, could you do this?

1340
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,559
Speaker 1: You just get what if it's Toronto, you just get

1341
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:19,119
rid of the picks, Like is that just what happens

1342
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:19,719
now or is it?

1343
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,039
Speaker 4: Ah, so you basically sell the Clippers. We'll do this

1344
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:25,079
trade regardless, but like we're not giving you the picks.

1345
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:28,119
That's gonna be the compensation for us, Like taking the penal.

1346
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:30,519
Speaker 1: You risk Kaui's contract getting voided, I guess would be

1347
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:31,360
part of the punishment.

1348
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:35,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, Or here's one.

1349
01:04:35,199 --> 01:04:38,119
Speaker 4: If let's let's say he's back, you're getting off the

1350
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:42,280
the you're getting off the contract of brandon Ingram, So

1351
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,880
like sure that might be worth it.

1352
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:49,079
Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering like that might be is now

1353
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:50,719
does the cost of the Kuhi trade?

1354
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: And then then I won't feel bad for the Clippers.

1355
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,239
Speaker 1: If the Toronto Raptors get out of this while acquiring

1356
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,920
Kawhi Leonard for less draft compensation, all right, then you

1357
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,280
know what that's on the that's still a little insane

1358
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,280
though that one again, this wasn't established. But two, he

1359
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,960
could play for you, but you can't necessarily just I

1360
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,360
find the thought process here. Someone can says that, what

1361
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,440
do you think if this trade doesn't go through?

1362
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: What do you does? Does one Toronto still trade brandon

1363
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:20,880
Ingram somewhere else?

1364
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,519
Speaker 4: I'd be shocked if someone wants him again. I thought

1365
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,719
the Clippers did this a little bit out of necessity.

1366
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:31,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's just he's not a two

1367
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:34,079
year deal and as someone who can eat up offensive possessions,

1368
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:34,519
I don't.

1369
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: Think it's And he looked like a damn ge leaker

1370
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,119
in the playoffs.

1371
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, oh but he did? He was

1372
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:41,920
so bad?

1373
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:42,719
Speaker 2: Come on, you saw this?

1374
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: He was he was injured and there's just like a

1375
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:47,679
lack of other I mean, Scottie Barnes was killed like

1376
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:52,559
he's I don't know what you want.

1377
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: He was also injured, then why play him? But did

1378
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,920
you look at what did you see? How Cleveland was

1379
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,760
guarding him because the couple other series. Yeah, I saw it,

1380
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,039
and I still think he took stupid ass shots, that

1381
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:07,440
is all.

1382
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,719
Speaker 1: I think branding was bad in the playoffs, and the

1383
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,760
fact that you think nobody should trade from him is

1384
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:12,840
perhaps one of your.

1385
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,519
Speaker 4: Worst I'm saying, it's a lot of money. It's a

1386
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:17,639
forty plus million dollar cons That is not what you

1387
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,880
just said. Yes, forty million dollars a lot of money

1388
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:23,920
tied Like, look, look, Kevin Herder played like crap in

1389
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,559
the playoffs too, but he's only okay, he signed.

1390
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,119
Speaker 2: For he got he got ten dollars a year.

1391
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 4: But okay, you know what I mean, Like, that's not

1392
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:36,280
the feel break like the salary attached to his name when.

1393
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a value contract.

1394
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: I think the idea that Brandon Ingram isn't a valuable

1395
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,480
player to me or like it would be oh wait

1396
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:49,800
we have it is this raptor? Oh let's see the raptors.

1397
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,480
This is now from this how do we like this?

1398
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:57,280
Unfolding from Cham's The League informed us that as a

1399
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,440
result of the ongoing investigation of the Clipers, we would

1400
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,719
assume the risk of any potential outcome of the investigation

1401
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,159
impacting Kawhi. In light of this, we will wait until

1402
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:07,039
the league's investigation is complete. Yeah, the Raptors remain eager

1403
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:08,719
to bring Kawhi back to Rono and look forward to

1404
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,760
a swift resolution for our players, our organizations, and our fans.

1405
01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:15,199
Speaker 2: So does that mean.

1406
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:20,159
Speaker 1: We should expect we should uh? Slam o'clock says Herder

1407
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,039
was a doctor injured. To be fair, Kevin Hurter hasn't

1408
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:24,679
made a three in like three years though. To be

1409
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:26,960
even more fair, since the Light the Beam season, he's

1410
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,199
been pretty bad.

1411
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: Man. I guess so what.

1412
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,559
Speaker 1: My read on this is that we should expect the

1413
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:38,039
investigation to be done shortly. Otherwise this is just super

1414
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:41,079
awkward forever. You can't just wait until the investigation, Like, oh,

1415
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:44,599
so it's now We're in November and the investigation's done.

1416
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:49,199
Speaker 2: It's like what has happened since then? Man? Yeah?

1417
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even know how we continue with this

1418
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,320
because like we just wrapped up the magic and now

1419
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,039
we're going to go needs with someone else.

1420
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: Like I this is this is a good point, by

1421
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,280
the way, from why so Toronto getting punished for a

1422
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,320
scandal that tamper against them in the first place is

1423
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,000
bullshit and a reminder that Canadian teams in any league

1424
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,880
don't matter to these losers. I don't know who's Oh,

1425
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,559
it's a quote. I don't know who said that, but

1426
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,679
it is. I don't understand why Toronto would have to

1427
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:18,960
assume the risk Igerie at all if they're agreeing to

1428
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,119
I guess should they assume the risk of his contract

1429
01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:23,079
getting voided though?

1430
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 4: I mean, look, if his contract is getting voided, I

1431
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,199
assume that would happen in Los Angeles, Toronto or a

1432
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:33,479
third place where he ends up.

1433
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,399
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just.

1434
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,119
Speaker 1: Not well, that's my point though. It's just because the contract.

1435
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:38,800
If part of the punishment was always gonna be the

1436
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,680
contract was voided, I guess I might understand that part

1437
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,960
of it. But when they say assume the punishment is

1438
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,479
it you have to give up you get doc draft

1439
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,239
picks because Kawhi' is on your team, that makes no

1440
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:49,880
sense to me.

1441
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:55,079
Speaker 4: Right right, No, I'm gonna follow this so thoroughly because

1442
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,199
this this is nuts.

1443
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,279
Speaker 3: Have we ever seen anything like this?

1444
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,399
Speaker 1: I mean, think of rescinded trade. This is kind of

1445
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,239
like a rescinded trade for the moment, right.

1446
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 2: Right, right, But it's primarily off of like medicals.

1447
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,159
Speaker 1: Mark Williams do not as a bout of unis. I'm

1448
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:13,720
trying to have other like what other Dwight, this is

1449
01:09:14,079 --> 01:09:17,920
Tyson Chandler to Okay, See, this is crazier than what

1450
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,800
Dwight Howard did right where he was on a plane,

1451
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,640
like he was getting traded on a plane and decided

1452
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,239
that he didn't want to leave the Magic at one point.

1453
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,520
This is even more bonkers than that.

1454
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, this league, man, this league.

1455
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: The Richard says, the league didn't tell Miami about the terroors.

1456
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,600
You investigate them, let them trade for him, and then

1457
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:40,760
didn't let him play. This is par for the course, oh, Howard,

1458
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,399
Beck says, the same thing. You said, like two immediate thoughts.

1459
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 4: One you think they would have consulted the league office

1460
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,640
before agreeing to the deal. Uh So I don't want

1461
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,760
to jump to yeah, go ahead, it's.

1462
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 2: Not even before the deal.

1463
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: This is a suer like leading into the trade that

1464
01:09:55,119 --> 01:09:56,880
like why was this not talked about?

1465
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:00,159
Speaker 4: And then he also says, which I agree with, though

1466
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,479
I don't want to jump to conclusions. This certainly leaves

1467
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,359
open the possibility of the Kawhi's contract gets voided, which

1468
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,560
would sort of ruin the trade, which, yes, yeah, who

1469
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,439
benefits the most.

1470
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 1: Listen, where's Kawhi land if his contract gets voided, who's

1471
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:14,840
the team that comes in there?

1472
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 2: And cap space is gone for the most part, right,

1473
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:23,000
so so what is he looking at? Like a mid level?

1474
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Warriors for them, they could open the non tax.

1475
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,239
The Warriors could open the non tax.

1476
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 4: I mean that might be enough to get them Lebron

1477
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,279
instead of trading for Anthony Davis.

1478
01:10:37,119 --> 01:10:38,039
Speaker 2: This is insane.

1479
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:39,279
Speaker 3: This is insane.

1480
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 2: Yes, this is insane, and this is even different. Richard

1481
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,960
said about Miami. I guess it's a fair point one.

1482
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,359
Speaker 1: I want to know how it didn't come up in

1483
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:51,239
their due diligence of this though regulator says the Pistons

1484
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:53,640
do have space. I keep assuming Jaalen Duran is gonna

1485
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:54,520
come back.

1486
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,039
Speaker 4: The business were waiting on this, they were playing this.

1487
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: When they just sign Kawhi Leonard for that would be insane.

1488
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 1: Uh. This is just different because we've now everyone's known

1489
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,640
about this, including both of the teams involved in the trade,

1490
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:11,640
and nobody thought to.

1491
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:17,159
Speaker 2: Get this confirmation beforehand. My god, h this is confused.

1492
01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: A great theater, but this this particular situation could have

1493
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:25,199
been totally avoided. Yeh yeh uh, we gotta get back.

1494
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,960
I think we only have one team left, right, Oh, no.

1495
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,359
Speaker 3: We have two. We have sick too at least right.

1496
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 2: Uh, whose pick is it? It's you? You chose Orlando,

1497
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:36,039
didn't you?

1498
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1499
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, you should pick the bulls. I feel like

1500
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:41,000
everyone's waiting for you to pick the bulls. I'm gonna

1501
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,960
go with the Brooklyn Nets, all right, lame, but I.

1502
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 3: Want you to pick the bulls.

1503
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 1: All right, you picked the Brooklyn Nets. You care to

1504
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,800
get into what their needs are?

1505
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 4: Look at that roster everything. I don't I just again,

1506
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,079
this is such a This is a Milwaukee situation all

1507
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:03,520
over again. Basically, we have to go through every single team,

1508
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,640
and this team just needs so many things.

1509
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,079
Speaker 3: They need reliable guard play. I mean, Mikail Brown, good choice.

1510
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 4: I want to see him get off the ground quickly,

1511
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,640
and we'll see if he does that or if this

1512
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,800
is a one of those situations where it's a slow start.

1513
01:12:18,279 --> 01:12:22,199
But overall, I don't like the guard rotation as is.

1514
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,600
The wing situation is completely devoid of interest. The big

1515
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,279
Man's situation is Julius Rental and they run Sharp. I

1516
01:12:31,279 --> 01:12:35,000
guess Noah Clowney, you want to throw him in there?

1517
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: Just why not?

1518
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 4: But like this roster is just so weird, So perhaps

1519
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,600
their biggest need is rosters symmetry, line up symmetry.

1520
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 2: So it's interest for them.

1521
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: I have a wing slash combo forward of the future,

1522
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,840
just because I think you can talk yourself into there's Jaeger,

1523
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,279
Joe Man, there's MIKEL.

1524
01:12:57,319 --> 01:12:59,199
Speaker 2: Brown, and you could say, right, they.

1525
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:01,239
Speaker 1: Have the baseline of or if you like Nolan Trey

1526
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:05,319
orri Can Can yegor Joeman play the three and like

1527
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:06,920
you view those three, but when you look at just

1528
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,159
the three four spot just I don't think I like

1529
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,199
Drake Powell, but doesn't seem like he checks that box.

1530
01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,720
Julius Randall short term answer, Mo Wagner short term, Kean

1531
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,640
Ellis short term, Michael Porter Junior, Josh why not short term?

1532
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,560
And so it gets into the oh, they just need talent,

1533
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,319
because you could sit here and say, well, do they

1534
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,039
even have their center of the future, like that's not

1535
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:28,680
necessarily Dayron sharp, But to not really even have a

1536
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,520
candidate for like a combo wing of the future feels

1537
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,800
a little because at least now you kind of look

1538
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,960
at it and it's all right, Like MIKEL Brown and

1539
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,119
Diegor Joeman, they got some real and Nolan Tree or

1540
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:40,000
they got real guard and Drake Powell is it too?

1541
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:43,000
They got some real guard prospects in there. I think

1542
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,359
they need more flyers on the wing. I like Joshua

1543
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,760
Jefferson's probably my favorite wing prospect. That I like it

1544
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,960
more than Drake Powell. That's probably my favorite wing prospect

1545
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:52,800
they have. But that's not that's not a lot.

1546
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: Nope, nope.

1547
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:59,199
Speaker 4: I at this rate, I'm just curious at what they're

1548
01:13:59,199 --> 01:13:59,479
gonna do.

1549
01:13:59,640 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: Again.

1550
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,039
Speaker 4: You and I we disagree on this. I I I

1551
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:04,840
did not love their draft last year. I just I

1552
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:05,960
didn't love it either.

1553
01:14:06,039 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 1: I just think that I think the whole oh, they

1554
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,760
have five point guards was wildly inaccurate type deal.

1555
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:14,399
Speaker 2: That's an opsis of it.

1556
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 4: Oh at five point No, I I just think they

1557
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,039
went over five in the first round. But I mean

1558
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,119
that's that's where I'm at. Uh So again we're going

1559
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:27,079
back to talent level. I think you're right, and maybe

1560
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,079
maybe maybe we could just sum it up. I just

1561
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:31,880
don't even care about positional need right now. Just find

1562
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,640
a number one guy, find the guy. Maybe they did.

1563
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,479
Maybe it's me Cale Brown. We don't know. Like I'm

1564
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,680
over for that, but right, right, right.

1565
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: He is there. I think MIKEL.

1566
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: Brown is very clearly their highest end prospect. I like

1567
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,399
Jegor Joeman, but unless he just has some type of

1568
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,199
you know, getting inside the arc finishing chops that we

1569
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:55,800
haven't seen. Uh yeah, I'm gonna pick so two teams left.

1570
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: I'm I thought, yeah, I thought we only had one

1571
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,920
team left. I was mathing off of IY sight.

1572
01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Hornets because that'll force you

1573
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,479
to pick the Bulls next, which.

1574
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:09,159
Speaker 2: Is just I will. Didn't we didn't we all God

1575
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:11,800
damn it. I thought we had gamed it wrong. Sucks

1576
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,359
for you, sucks for you, the Hornets.

1577
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: I was tempted to go with playmaking, just because I

1578
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,520
don't know that Christian Anderson, Kobe White, Kanka Nipple is

1579
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,880
gonna like his for in terms of half core creation

1580
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,800
for everybody else. I don't know if that's gonna be enough,

1581
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,199
and we don't have the data. Kobe White played seventy

1582
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:31,079
four possessions with Miller and Ca Nipple and nol LaMelo

1583
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,600
last year, so they did lose what I think is

1584
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,199
a transcendent playmaker in LaMelo. I think this is another

1585
01:15:37,239 --> 01:15:40,960
team though, that needs point of attack, wing defense, just

1586
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:44,680
name it. At this point, I mean not that I was.

1587
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:47,439
I'm not a Josh Green guy, but he was. You

1588
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,640
kind of just lost that body to throw at other dudes.

1589
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,560
So you have Miller, who I think is fine. Royce

1590
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,560
O'Neil's kind of I don't want to say he's washed,

1591
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,159
but he's not great on that's like it's kind of

1592
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:00,399
Brandon Miller and Seon James. Now, so I think you

1593
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,720
need there needs to be somebody else, Like we're getting

1594
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:08,319
into what is Grant Williams okay, switchable t Johnson excuse me, athletic.

1595
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,359
Speaker 2: They need like they need. They need the.

1596
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:13,279
Speaker 1: Guy you look at and say, oh, he's all defense

1597
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,159
and that not necessarily going to be elected to all defense,

1598
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,399
but he might not provide enough on offense. And see

1599
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:22,119
On James checks that box a little bit.

1600
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

1601
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: They need another guy just along the lines that they

1602
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,680
can view as a lockdown defender. I think Charles Lee's

1603
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:32,640
probably coaxed better defensive returns out of teams that aren't

1604
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,680
so talented on the less glamorous end. But he's going

1605
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,560
to have his work cut out for him, like kind

1606
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,159
of the same as could you argue not having LaMelo

1607
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,159
Is makes that an upgrade yet? Sure, but I think

1608
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:46,439
looking at the perimeter, specifically a point of attack wing

1609
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,000
defense is still a need for this team.

1610
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've loved their summer, but if we have to

1611
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,600
find a need defense and playmaking, I think those two

1612
01:16:55,720 --> 01:17:02,000
are the right choices. I'm still unreasonable high on this team.

1613
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,760
I think the three point volume is going to be insane.

1614
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,399
I don't think the advanced playmaking is going to be

1615
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,479
that necessary because it's going to be a five out

1616
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,680
oriented offense, I assume. But at any rate, it's still

1617
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,720
in need. Like you can never have too much creative passing,

1618
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,760
you can never have too much quality defense.

1619
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 3: So the fact that you have neither of.

1620
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,319
Speaker 4: Those avenues available to the extent that you need, yes,

1621
01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:30,520
I would agree with you that something's got to give eventually.

1622
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: That or the case because regular says losing bridges help

1623
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,600
their defense. I mean, no, I won't argue that point here.

1624
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,920
But if you're building, for sure, if you're building your

1625
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,800
best playmaking lineup, it comes at the cost of defense.

1626
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,920
If you're building your best defensive lineup one. I don't

1627
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,119
even know what that looks like. So it's Musa Diabaatee,

1628
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,800
nas Reed, Miller, Seon James, and then Conk Nipple. If

1629
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,439
we're trying to be semi realistic, so you're losing, you

1630
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,840
might be losing too much offense in that regard. And

1631
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,680
then if you're building your best playmaking unit, you're for

1632
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,119
sure gonna it's gonna come at a stark defensive costs.

1633
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Speaker 2: I agree, who's the final team, bore that you're gonna

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that you're gonna pick.

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Speaker 4: I hate you so much for this, I really do. Yeah,

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that was you just set me up?

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01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 3: All right?

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01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,159
Speaker 4: Well there, their biggest need is that they need to

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01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:25,640
trade Josh, No, it's.

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Speaker 1: Uh to the what was the team we sent them

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01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:29,840
to hypothetically before?

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01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 2: Was it the Heat Miami?

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01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:36,399
Speaker 4: I think again, they they just need so many things,

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01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:42,359
uh where to start. Really, they're they're just starting over

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01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,319
from scratch. So like they have like they got a center,

1646
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,479
they got a shooting guard, but like none of those

1647
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,159
two are viewed as necessarily long term pieces. I think

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01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:56,479
both Claxton and Powell were acquired for free by the

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01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,920
way to be pivoted off later like, I would be

1650
01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:04,279
kind of surprised if Claxton Powell are on the team

1651
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:06,680
after the trade headline, which would be the smart approach.

1652
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,920
Just get them in there to trade them later, take

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:11,920
on bad money and pick this compensation.

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01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:12,520
Speaker 3: Why not?

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01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 4: So if that's the play, cool, But in terms of need,

1656
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:24,039
like they need a first tier player, like like their star,

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,159
the guy who they can you can build around, because

1658
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,760
it's not Josh Giddy, is it Caleb Wilson?

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01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 3: Will find out, but you know.

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01:19:31,079 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: You can't be.

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01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:36,079
Speaker 1: I guess I don't. I do understand a Scotty Barnes

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01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:38,359
comps with him. I don't think he's they need their

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01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,399
number one offensive option. I don't know if that's going

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01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,039
to be Boozellis or Caleb Wilson.

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01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 3: No, I would I would be surprised too.

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 4: I do think Caleb Wilson is going to be a

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,039
really fine player, but I just don't know if he

1668
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:54,680
has that every Everyone is also like, oh, it's the

1669
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,600
new Kevin Garnett and he has like a seven foot

1670
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,199
seven to one wingspan, like you Usually the guys who

1671
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,560
become that level player have these insane long arms and

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01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,439
can you slide up positions? I question if Wilson can

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01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,840
actually slide up to the five if he's more of

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01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,079
like a pure four, and that's kind of it. So

1675
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,840
there are questions. There are definitely questions. I don't think

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01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,800
they have their their best player moving forward. I don't

1677
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,840
think they have their second best player moving forward. I tell.

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01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: I feel like Kayleb Wilson or Brizzelles could still have No,

1679
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:30,239
we don't.

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01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,039
Speaker 3: We don't have any data on Wilson.

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01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:32,279
Speaker 2: I do.

1682
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:34,279
Speaker 3: I like Bussella's fine, I really do.

1683
01:20:34,359 --> 01:20:36,239
Speaker 4: I actually think he's going to be like a twenty

1684
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:39,039
plus score and everything, but like, is he going to

1685
01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:41,680
be the second best player if they want to be

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01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,239
a good team. I don't know if you have to

1687
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:49,119
move him down the pegging order a little bit. It

1688
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:52,359
depends again, like if he takes a major leap, obviously

1689
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,840
will reality reevaluate. But as of right now, I have

1690
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,479
a hard time seeing, you know someone on this roster

1691
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:07,079
who just is primary and secondary option? Well what about

1692
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,199
like he's still pretty young. Couldn't Patrick Williams develop into that?

1693
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: Oh man, well you know what? Who?

1694
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 4: I feel bad for Demartin Rosen Dunbar spent like three

1695
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:25,039
years just trying to get Patrick Williams into the right

1696
01:21:25,119 --> 01:21:28,560
mindset and nothing worked. Like poor Demartin Rosen for just

1697
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,000
wasting three years of his life with that project.

1698
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: Uh and then he went right to the Kings. He

1699
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,800
got paid though, So up they can build.

1700
01:21:38,079 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 2: This isn't doesn't get any but they can. They can build.

1701
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,159
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are lower on Claxton

1702
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:44,159
after last year, but he was dealing with back stuff

1703
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,199
and I still think he can add a ton of

1704
01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:49,399
value defensively even though he's not super strong. This team

1705
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,760
can build a lot of interesting defensive lineups if they

1706
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,359
just want to punt on like shooting or out like

1707
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:59,840
between Dan and Swayne and Caleb Wilson, Buzzellis, Claxton, Leonard,

1708
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:01,000
Noah Sange.

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01:22:01,119 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 2: If he's healthy Isaaca.

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01:22:02,279 --> 01:22:06,359
Speaker 1: Korro, this team might be a little bit like feisty

1711
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,680
on the defensive end. This year sure doesn't change what

1712
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,479
you're saying. I think that there are a ton of needs.

1713
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,159
They need their first option, they need shooting and center

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01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,560
of the future. They might if you were to look

1715
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,800
at this team and say they're set here for the future,

1716
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,439
you might be able to say, between Buzzellis and Caleb Wilson,

1717
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,279
I'm willing to give them they have like a forward

1718
01:22:26,319 --> 01:22:29,000
spot or bright I think that would be reasonable.

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01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:33,119
Speaker 4: Yes, And look if if Wilson and Pussilla's becomes like

1720
01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:36,520
long term starters and those are like the main guys,

1721
01:22:37,079 --> 01:22:38,840
you know, not not the main guys in a couple

1722
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,880
of years because they need someone better, but like if

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01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,760
they are just high level starters. Yeah, I think that's

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01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:45,039
a win.

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01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, you've anything else or are you ready

1726
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,640
to We did it under ninety minutes while reacting to

1727
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:53,439
breaking news.

1728
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 4: I think we did well because you and I usually

1729
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,920
have issues keeping it short. This is this is like improvement.

1730
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:05,079
Our couple's counseling sessions have gone great. Thank you, honey,

1731
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:06,800
with attention spans.

1732
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone appreciates us when we do

1733
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,399
like ten minutes on every single team, right, we do

1734
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:15,039
that either? So, uh, can you just tell everyone who's

1735
01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:16,800
watching listening where they can find you and all the

1736
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:17,479
work that.

1737
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you can find my work oread, Yahoo Sports,

1738
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,359
and you can listen to the NBA podcast and if

1739
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,079
you understand Danish, you can listen to buser Beater or

1740
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,520
catchment calling games at HBO Max.

1741
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,880
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01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,600
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01:23:41,159 --> 01:23:44,439
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1747
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: And come back.

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01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,399
Speaker 1: Tentatively Google Live Friday at four pm Eastern to do

1749
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,399
the Western Conference version of this. Hopefully nothing comes up,

1750
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,720
although with the Kauhi trade being rescinded, more than I

1751
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,159
might need to have a discussion like with what that's

1752
01:23:58,159 --> 01:23:59,960
gonna look like. That only give back to the quick

1753
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:03,600
first right now though, so until next time, and as always,

1754
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,600
we needed to shout out to the one, the only,

1755
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:06,479
the indelible.

1756
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 2: His trade for him has never ever been rescinded, mister

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Frank La Tina