WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:12.960 You see something's going to happen. I think it's full 2 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:18.480 of stars. Hey, hey, everyone, welcome back to the NY 3 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:24.239 Patriot Show this week. This episode, we will be continuing 4 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:29.239 off of the patent and the experiments done on USA, 5 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.479 and I think that included Canada too, right that episode 6 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:38.799 Canada Citizens. We also are covering thanks to our reporter 7 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:43.640 in the streets, Inspector Helen Holmes. She had sent us 8 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:46.640 some stuff because I was kind of actually interested in 9 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.640 stuff in the UK, and she had sent us plenty 10 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.759 of stuff. And I'm gonna be totally honest. Once I 11 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.439 eventually got around to looking at the stuff that she 12 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:01.840 sent me, I was kind of surprised. And I guess 13 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.239 in some ways it almost seems worse than the stuff 14 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:08.040 we covered before, or at least shocking andly bad as 15 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:12.519 bad I thought, you know, or they both have their 16 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.680 crazy things like or just different applications of doing just 17 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:20.840 as crazy as the next person, you know, something like 18 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:23.799 that we used light bulbs and dropped dust in the air, 19 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.920 They used animals and you know, all sorts of stuff, 20 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.560 so very very weird, and Helen, I do appreciate the information, 21 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:33.879 thank you for sending it over. And I do have 22 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.519 my amazing co host with me as usual, Teresa, and 23 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:40.719 she has a microphone. 24 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:45.319 I know, right everyone listening, Do I sound different? 25 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:50.359 Yeah? You do. Yeah, it doesn't pick up any noises 26 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:51.200 or your hair. 27 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.519 I know it's all right. 28 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.599 Now since you have a microphone, we're gonna have to 29 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:59.560 figure out how to pick up your dogs walking on 30 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:01.400 the floor and the ceiling fan in the other room. 31 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:05.959 So I can be real legitimate cost. 32 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:10.919 Yeah, get some mic and somehow the audio gets worse off. 33 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.520 Now hopefully there's less of that sort of thing going 34 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:18.000 on and everyone can hear me clearly, and yeah, I'm excited. 35 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:19.240 It's my first time using it. 36 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.759 So yes, yes, yes, and you know what and normally 37 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.520 don't plug certain stuff. But I have come across people 38 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:29.400 using Logitech equipment and it's not as expensive as like 39 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.879 other brands, and their stuff is actually I think, pretty 40 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:37.280 damn good synthetic. Si Op uses Logitech. That's a Logitech. 41 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.520 Leave from Inner Guardians uses a Logitech. I thought that 42 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:42.919 was like a few hundred dollars microphone he was using 43 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.719 until he's like, no, it's my headset. I was like, fuck, 44 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.120 that's Logitech. That sounds decent. So maybe if people out 45 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.400 there are aspiring to be a podcaster. Check out their 46 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:57.360 stuff for some decent, reasonably priced stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah, 47 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.360 it doesn't always have to be a bougie roadcaster and 48 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.280 pop like I was an asshole and. 49 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:06.719 No, we just do. We do what we can with 50 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.599 what we can. I think if people start podcasting and 51 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.800 getting into something applies to anything. Just start with what 52 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:17.800 you have, right, yes, just begin and then slowly improve. 53 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.319 Lenty if people have started off with a headset and 54 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:25.280 the phone and now we're doing yeah, yeah, look at 55 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.319 Jack Allen, he started off, I think pretty much it 56 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.479 sounded like it got you know, I'm sorry if it 57 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.280 wasn't your headset, Jack, but it sounded like his first 58 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:35.960 few episodes was literally done talking to a phone. And 59 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.680 I think he's even admitted that. And now he's got 60 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.840 stream Yard goes live, he has microphone, he's got to 61 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.719 set up, you know, he's got the nice uh ten 62 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:48.360 eighty four K webcam going on. You know, so start, 63 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.439 just start somewhere, you know, start. 64 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.800 Thanks for bearing with me, oh you and the people listening, 65 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:55.719 and yeah. 66 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:57.159 Listen, it was worth it to have a co host 67 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:59.680 that brought you know, that brought that brought stuff to 68 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.319 the show, so to me it was worth it. You know, 69 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:06.639 I'll take the low quality over information. Thanks of course. 70 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.199 So I guess I was going to let you start 71 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.680 this off. Start this went off, And that's mainly because 72 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.319 I do think if I remember correctly, this is kind 73 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:20.439 of like a major place where they do do experiments 74 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:21.519 at as well. 75 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.879 Right, yeah, so again, thank you Helen for all the 76 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:30.319 great information. So this place that a lot of experimental 77 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.279 things have gone down in the UK is called Porton Down. 78 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:37.600 So it's a science park in Wiltshire, England, just northeast 79 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.839 of the village of Porton near Salisbury. So it's home 80 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.560 to two British government facilities. It's the site of the 81 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:51.079 Ministry of Defenses Defense Science and Technology Laboratory, which is 82 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.839 known as being one of the UK's most secretive and 83 00:04:53.959 --> 00:05:02.000 controversial military research facilities. It has over seven thousand acres, 84 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.800 yeah seven, and is also the site of the UK 85 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:11.519 Health Security Agency. It is home to other private and 86 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:16.000 commercial science organizations and also houses other companies too. 87 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.000 I wish, uh, I wish I could remember the name, 88 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.000 but like this stuff even reminds me of and this 89 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.319 is just very interesting. How like you know they'll admit 90 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.480 it here, I guess not you know, advertising it, but 91 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.399 like we had, uh we had. I had covered something 92 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:36.560 again on Lee's show with Travis Taylor and something about 93 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:39.480 like his father worked at something like that. But here, 94 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.040 you know, we have our own versions of that here, 95 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:45.399 and like they can't even use the place anymore because 96 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.959 the soil is so contaminated. They don't even want you there. 97 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.040 It's like, you know, if that's still open, like that 98 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:54.279 hasn't had that issue that way he had here. 99 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.240 Yeah, yeah, I think we have a couple of places 100 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:01.920 like that here in Toronto, and I'm sure Canada has 101 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.079 a few spots like that. Interestingly, too, it says to 102 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.279 the northwest of Porton Down lies the Ministry of Defense's 103 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:15.279 Boscombe Down Airfield, which is operated by Kinetic. But Kinetic 104 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:21.120 is spelled qi n E T i Q, which I 105 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.399 thought was weird, right, And it's identified on maps as 106 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:28.279 a danger area, so you're like not to go there? 107 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.199 Interesting, right, Yeah, Kinetic with. 108 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.360 A Q connectic with a Q on both ends like 109 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.639 the beginning and the last letter. Right. So Porton Down 110 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:46.199 opened in nineteen sixteen as part of the old Yeah 111 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:51.199 it's old Man it's over one hundred years old. It's crazy, right, Yeah, 112 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.680 so it's part of the War Department's experimental station, you know, 113 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:56.480 real quick. 114 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.199 And like not even not to interrupt you, but I 115 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.000 feel like a lot of times when you start, at 116 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.879 least with the United States, I think I remember coming 117 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.759 across in other countries, they seem to have used World 118 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:13.040 War One as an excuse for needing to start testing 119 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:13.600 this stuff. 120 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.160 Yes, this is exactly the same thing. 121 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:16.879 Yeah, is this before? 122 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.120 Uh no, this is like so World War One I 123 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.680 think was nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen. 124 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.439 Yeah, so this thing hasn't even whatever. World War One 125 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:27.519 hasn't even ended yet. 126 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:28.720 No, it hasn't ended. 127 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:30.360 No, Yeah, because a lot of things that I came 128 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:34.600 across used the World War One after the fact as 129 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:37.079 the reason why now we need to start testing. 130 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:39.600 This stuff, right, And the same thing happened in World 131 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:41.839 War Two at the end. You know, we've got so 132 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:47.839 many three letter agencies that's a result. Right. So yeah, 133 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:52.879 corn and Down opened in nineteen sixteen for testing chemical 134 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.319 weapons in response to the Germans use of chemical weaponry 135 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.120 in nineteen fifteen. So, like you said, a response out 136 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:07.000 of World War One tactics. The laboratories research and develop 137 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.279 chemical weapon agents used by the British armed forces in 138 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:14.079 the First World War, such as chlorine, mustard gas, and 139 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:19.279 fase gene. The key buzzword of like the last couple 140 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:23.120 of episodes we've done on this weather manipulation and experimentation, 141 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.199 right mm hmm. 142 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:28.600 I wonder if, like if if you were like every 143 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.319 country that does this type of stuff, if you were 144 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.480 to look up there reasoning why, I wonder if it's 145 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.919 like everybody's just like disappointing the finger at the next person, right, like, Oh, 146 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.559 we're doing it because of Germany. Germany is like what 147 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.240 we're doing because of the United States. Russian's like, but 148 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:43.840 we're doing because of this person. Are we just all 149 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.120 just throwing fingers at people as an excuse because we're 150 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:48.000 just doing it anyway? 151 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:50.360 Man? You know the meme with Spider Man and all 152 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.399 the Spider Man's are pointing at the other Spider Man. 153 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.240 I was thinking I was thinking something like that as 154 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.639 we said this totally like this is like euses well. 155 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:03.879 And the funny thing too, is like when you think 156 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.480 of the World wars, you always think of like, well, 157 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.320 you and I probably think this way, and a lot 158 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.639 of people listening are probably in the West. Right, let's say, 159 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.279 so we have been told since we were young that 160 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:20.120 like the Axis powers were like the bad guys, so 161 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.240 like Germany's bad and Russia's bad. But actually the Allies 162 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.279 were using this stuff just as much, if not more 163 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:32.039 then the other side of the coin. 164 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:37.720 Right, Yeah, you still remember, if I remember correctly, a 165 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:40.720 lot of reasons why I think, like even the Axis 166 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.559 people were like demonized. Was it because of like chemical 167 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:44.279 shit like this? 168 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:50.039 Yeah, but the British Americans did do so and Canadians 169 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.799 what Yeah? Crazy? 170 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:52.039 Right? 171 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.440 Okay, So to continue with a little bit more history 172 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.399 about Port and down. By nineteen twenty the chemical defense 173 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:06.159 aspects for air raids for the civilian population were added 174 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:11.440 to the responsibilities at this location. In nineteen twenty nine, 175 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:16.240 the Royal Engineer's Experimental Station became known as the Chemical 176 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:23.720 Warfare Experimental Station or the CWEES, and then in nineteen 177 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:28.759 thirty Britain ratified the nineteen twenty five Geneva Protocol, which 178 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:34.279 permitted the use of chemical warfare agents in retaliation. So 179 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:39.240 legally you can use chemical warfare as a retaliation tactic. 180 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:44.159 Appair ah M hm. They changed that law in nineteen 181 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:47.879 twenty five. Yeah, so it. 182 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.080 Like you can use it if it's being used on you, exactly. 183 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:56.399 Oh so then you just gotta lie, right, you just gotta. 184 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:57.039 Say they do first. 185 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.279 I got the Sniffles point a spider man, I got 186 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.279 the Sniffles, lunch lunch anthrax. 187 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.960 Right, yeah, or I don't know, does it does it? 188 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.440 Does it have to be in response to a chemical attacker? 189 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:11.960 That's what I was even thinking too. 190 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:15.120 Yeah, right, so can we like mustard gas them? 191 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:16.080 Yeah? 192 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:17.919 Right, I don't know exactly. 193 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.519 Right, that's actually that's I was even thinking that too. 194 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:22.320 I'm like, does it have to be a chemical attack? 195 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.879 Yes? I don't want to go into more from this 196 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.519 article because it relates then into the. 197 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:30.000 Other stuff that we're going to cover, the. 198 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:31.759 Specific experiments we're going to talk about. 199 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.919 So, yeah, well I had you mentioned that one first. 200 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.440 Because of that, it was like kind of a you know, 201 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:40.279 a commonality between some of the things we'll cover. It 202 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.840 was altern at this place. Yeah, I even think of 203 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.240 I might even the one that I'm covering next might 204 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.080 even Yeah, I think involves that sure, And that is 205 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:55.879 Operation Cauldron. Operation Cauldron was a series of secret biological 206 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.679 warfare trials undertaken by the British government in nineteen fifty two. 207 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.279 Scientists from Port and Down and the Royal Navy were 208 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:10.360 involved in releasing biological agents including mnemonic and bubonic plague 209 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:20.320 what brucellosis, I'm not exactly sure what that is, and tulaimia, 210 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.919 and testing all bacterial things and testing the effects of 211 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:30.000 agents on caged monkeys and guinea pigs. That was another 212 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.240 thing too. There was a lot of stuff in some 213 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.679 of the things I have that they did to animals, 214 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.519 and if people haven't noticed already, I didn't want to 215 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.360 say this at the beginning, and sorry I'm interrupting the show. Now, 216 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.320 this may be an episode that if you're listening to it, 217 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.440 you may actually want to watch it because as we're talking, 218 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.519 there will be stuff, video clips and pictures of some 219 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.120 of these testing behind us. So you may want to 220 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.480 watch it because you'll actually get some old foot from 221 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.519 some of these operations. Sorry to interrupt, Let me get 222 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.639 back to where it was carried out by Britain. The 223 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.519 tests were a joint Anglo US Canadian operation, with a 224 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:16.720 US Navy lieutenant commander taking part. US documents showed the 225 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:21.840 operation was not purely defensive, as later claimed. At a 226 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:27.519 joint nineteen fifty eight conference in Canada, the US chemical 227 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:32.120 corpse minuted. It was agreed studies should be continued on 228 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:37.360 aerosols all three countries should concentrate on the search of 229 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:48.039 incapacitating a new type of lethal agents. The tests. The 230 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.600 experiments are carried out at sea off the coast of 231 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.559 the Isle of Lewis in the Outer her Brides. I 232 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:59.440 could be saying this wrong. Abroad a floating pontoon supported 233 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:04.200 by the ship ben Lamond whatever. The test animals were 234 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.639 placed in cages on the deck of the pontoon and 235 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:13.159 biological agents dispersed either from a bomb suspended from a boom. 236 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.399 It's kind of like a you know, like a like 237 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:17.559 what they do with boom mics, like a thing that 238 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.519 holds up the bomb, or being sprayed. So like neither 239 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.919 bomb was set off to disperse the stuff or they 240 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.720 just sprayed them. After being exposed, the animals were taken 241 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:32.080 aboard the ben Lamond and those that died were dissected 242 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:36.559 to determine the cause of death. Three four and ninety 243 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:39.279 two guinea pigs and eighty three monkeys were used in 244 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:44.200 the tests. The tests were initially judged to be a success, 245 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.480 both in terms of effectiveness of the biological agents and 246 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.759 the test platform. However, a year later this decision was reversed, 247 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.279 with the tests on plague bacteria being described as a 248 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.519 failure and the statement that brucecellosis has not increased in 249 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:06.679 reputation as a dangerous agent. HM then we have the 250 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.240 Corella incident. In the final test of the series, the 251 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:14.600 Fleetwood based troller Corilla, with a crew of eighteen, ignored 252 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:19.720 warnings to steer clear and unwittingly sailed through a cloud 253 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:26.360 of plagued bacteria which was called Yusinia pestis, on its 254 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:28.960 way to a fishing trip to the waters around Iceland, 255 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.759 causing concern about a possible plague outbreak around its home 256 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:37.200 port in northwest England. The Corilla was not stopped for 257 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.679 disinfection or it's because they didn't have purel back then. 258 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:46.000 Corella was not stopped for disinfection or medical examination, but 259 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.639 was kept under covert observation by a destroyer. And he 260 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.519 you know that, I do find that interesting, Like was 261 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.960 the destroyer going to do anything if there was a problem. 262 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.320 Maybe they were just going to shoot them down what 263 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.480 the take them out they're infected. 264 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.759 Observation by a destroyer and a fisheries vessel for twenty 265 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.480 one days, and the ship's radio communications were monitored for 266 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:16.039 any kind of medical distress call. The surveillance period included 267 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:20.559 a period of shore leave at Blackpool, during which the 268 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:22.960 crew mixed with the people of the town as usual. 269 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.639 None of the crew became ill. The incident was dealt 270 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.679 with at the highest levels of government, going through the 271 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:36.200 first Sea Lord to the Chancellor of the at chekhor 272 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.519 rab Butler e c A e x c H e 273 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:46.039 q U e er whatever the hell that is, who 274 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.759 was basically sitting in for the absence of Winston Churchill. 275 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:54.360 The event was successfully covered up at the time, and 276 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.639 after the danger had passed, most of the documents relevant 277 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.000 to the case were ordered to be burnt. 278 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:03.759 So that's so weird. 279 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.200 Yeah, yeah, I find that very weird. Yeah. 280 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.920 I just find it odd that like the ship went 281 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.400 through this cloud of plagued bacteria, but then like none 282 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:15.279 of the crew got sick. So then does that kind 283 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.119 of support like the idea that germ theory isn't real. 284 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:25.119 That's a really good question, right, Yeah, yeah, I would, 285 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.759 I mean maybe it wouldn't be a good thing to 286 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.160 know because there was a destroyer out there, but like 287 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.440 i'd like, I'd like to know, like what would they 288 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.960 have done if there was right? 289 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.640 Were they just gonna like take them out and one 290 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:39.559 fell swoopy? 291 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:41.920 Is that why they were listening for the distress calls? 292 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:42.440 I don't know. 293 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:43.559 Yeah, I don't know. 294 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:48.319 Very weird. And then on this I have I think 295 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:49.880 this might be like kind of like the same thing 296 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:54.119 just a little bit more revealed how Navy intelligence tested 297 00:17:54.200 --> 00:18:00.240 lethal plague bombs off Scotland. It was early in the 298 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.759 morning on June twenty first, nineteen fifty two, when the 299 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:07.279 sound of two percusive wumps coming from a small stretch 300 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.119 of sea some twenty miles north of the Isle of Lewis, 301 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.519 heralded the dawn of a new age in British weaponry. 302 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:20.160 The explosions came from two small four pound bombs packed 303 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.839 with plague, and they had just been detonated in the 304 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.839 open air at sea. Britain had developed the most terrifying 305 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:32.839 biological weapon of mass destruction ever, created a weaponized form 306 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:38.880 of the Black Death, the bubonic plague. Even in nineteen 307 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:43.920 fifty two, such tests were illegal. Jerrem warfare had been 308 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.680 expressly forbidden under the Geneva Protocol, which all countries except 309 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:53.680 Japan and the USA signed in June nineteen twenty five. 310 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:58.599 The Sunday Herald had been passed for more than forty 311 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:02.160 pages of documents written by the British Naval intelligence officers 312 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:07.279 and scientists from porton Down, Britain's secret weapons development laboratory 313 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:13.119 in Wiltshire, which reveal an astonishing detail the secret history 314 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:17.839 of what happened during Operation Cauldrons, a British program of 315 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.359 the building and testing plague bombs. Blah blah blah, Operation Coldron. 316 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.480 So I mean they're like the broonic plague. 317 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:28.839 Serious? What the fuck? 318 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:32.319 The first plague test took place in nineteen forty four, 319 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:37.640 add porton Down and a controlled laboratory environment, but by 320 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:42.079 nineteen fifty two the Navy was using bombs and aerosols 321 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:47.720 packed with plague at sea in Scottish waters. Receus if 322 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.119 I'm saying that correctly. Monkeys and guinea pigs were put 323 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.559 out on the Pontoon Bridges somewhere about twenty miles off 324 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:56.720 of Lewis and exposed to the bacteria. Like I had 325 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:01.799 said before, so yeah, that's some pretty serious stuff. 326 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.279 In my opinion, it is serious. 327 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.960 And now this might get a little bit more. The 328 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.240 type of plague bacteria used in the Lewis tests were 329 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:17.759 Yasinia pestis also known as Pastarella pastis or p. Paestis, 330 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:25.400 which can cause both neumonic and mubonic plague. So like 331 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.680 they were really going with this bravonic plank stuff. The 332 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.519 trials took place between May twenty sixth and September eighth, 333 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.920 nineteen fifty two, and thirty four tests were carried out. 334 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:38.240 Sixty used aerosols sprays to spread the bacteria in the air, 335 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:43.359 the rest used the bombs. Some of the trials were 336 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:48.519 code name Operation Hesperus, during which they were given eighty 337 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:53.839 germ warfare tests using both bomb and spray methods. All 338 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:58.039 the storm Away experiments were conducted by scientists stationed aboard 339 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:04.119 h MS ben Lamon, which I mentioned before. Yeah, that 340 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.440 pretty much you know, wraps it up with the cauldron 341 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:07.440 right there. 342 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:09.039 That's wild. 343 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.480 Yeah, I mean they were really going heavy and hard 344 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.920 with the babonic plate stuff. 345 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.160 That makes me, uh, I don't know, kind of think 346 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.599 like would they just do that again with more sophisticated 347 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.279 techniques in this modern era. I mean, I guess they 348 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.279 kind of tried to do that a few years ago. 349 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:29.920 Well, I mean, if you think about it, I mean most, 350 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:34.039 I mean mostly, all this biological testing is to what 351 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:39.519 equal in the same end result of death, I mean, 352 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:43.000 and we saw plenty of that going around, well supposedly. 353 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.559 Yeah. The thing with these though, that I wonder is like, 354 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.279 once it's out there, like say you have an enemy 355 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:54.000 in a foreign land and your defense you know, people 356 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:57.759 decide we're going to use this biological agent to destroy 357 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:01.440 these people. But you can't control a biological agent once 358 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.240 it's out there. So how do you know that the 359 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.640 biological agent is not going to also harm you? 360 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:12.880 Oh? What if you catch a good breeze and right? Yo, 361 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.960 that's actually I never really thought of, like yeah, unless like. 362 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:19.480 It's a stupid plan. 363 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:21.279 Unless the only thing I could think of is like 364 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.640 if there's like some half life that they understand with 365 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:26.920 these things that like maybe like I'm saying, like, let's 366 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.400 say a country, like you know, halfway around the world 367 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.440 hit us with something. Do they know for a fact 368 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:35.240 this stuff won't even live to get over here? 369 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:35.880 Right? 370 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.440 Maybe maybe something like that, But like that is like 371 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.160 that is actually a good question though, or. 372 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:43.079 They have the antidote already, but. 373 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:44.599 Then you got it, but then like all right, but 374 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.440 then like in that case, like is that something like 375 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.839 either you're going to have to convince the population to 376 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:51.680 take or is that like another thing where you're just 377 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:53.119 gonna blow shit up in the air and just give 378 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:54.039 it to him regardless. 379 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:55.640 Yeah, So like this. 380 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:58.039 Really opens up so many more questions, like really, like 381 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:00.279 that's a good point, Like if you do, you have 382 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.359 to worry about it coming back, then you have to 383 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.160 protect your area with something else. 384 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.119 Like maybe it's just not a good plan. Yeah, right, 385 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:14.440 And it'll affect the food supply, animal life, water, like oh. 386 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:15.759 Some of the ones that we're going to cover, I 387 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:17.000 think we're meant to screw up the. 388 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:20.039 Food supply totally. Well. The one that I have up 389 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:25.039 next is sort of similar to Cauldron. So it's called 390 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:27.920 Operation Harness. I see that it took place a couple 391 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:31.480 years prior, so they probably learned from the mistakes of 392 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:35.319 Operation Harness because it didn't go very well, and that's 393 00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:38.880 how they got Operation Cauldron. It's really short because it 394 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:41.839 was a failure. So I'll just read this article quick. 395 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:46.319 So Operation Harness was a series of three month secret 396 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:49.920 biological warfare trials carried out by the Government of the 397 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:53.920 United Kingdom in the Caribbean off the Bahamas from December 398 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.799 nineteen forty eight to February nineteen forty nine. Animals were 399 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:04.799 exposed to Anthrax, toulraami and Brusella bacteria on inflatable dinghies offshore, 400 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:09.960 but the results were found to be meaningless because it 401 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.720