Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. I think it's full
Speaker 1: of stars. Hey, hey, everyone, welcome back to the NY
Speaker 1: Patriot Show this week. This episode, we will be continuing
Speaker 1: off of the patent and the experiments done on USA,
Speaker 1: and I think that included Canada too, right that episode
Speaker 1: Canada Citizens. We also are covering thanks to our reporter
Speaker 1: in the streets, Inspector Helen Holmes. She had sent us
Speaker 1: some stuff because I was kind of actually interested in
Speaker 1: stuff in the UK, and she had sent us plenty
Speaker 1: of stuff. And I'm gonna be totally honest. Once I
Speaker 1: eventually got around to looking at the stuff that she
Speaker 1: sent me, I was kind of surprised. And I guess
Speaker 1: in some ways it almost seems worse than the stuff
Speaker 1: we covered before, or at least shocking andly bad as
Speaker 1: bad I thought, you know, or they both have their
Speaker 1: crazy things like or just different applications of doing just
Speaker 1: as crazy as the next person, you know, something like
Speaker 1: that we used light bulbs and dropped dust in the air,
Speaker 1: They used animals and you know, all sorts of stuff,
Speaker 1: so very very weird, and Helen, I do appreciate the information,
Speaker 1: thank you for sending it over. And I do have
Speaker 1: my amazing co host with me as usual, Teresa, and
Speaker 1: she has a microphone.
Speaker 2: I know, right everyone listening, Do I sound different?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You do. Yeah, it doesn't pick up any noises
Speaker 1: or your hair.
Speaker 2: I know it's all right.
Speaker 1: Now since you have a microphone, we're gonna have to
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Speaker 2: So I can be real legitimate cost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get some mic and somehow the audio gets worse off.
Speaker 2: Now hopefully there's less of that sort of thing going
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Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, and you know what and normally
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Speaker 1: using Logitech equipment and it's not as expensive as like
Speaker 1: other brands, and their stuff is actually I think, pretty
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Speaker 1: Leave from Inner Guardians uses a Logitech. I thought that
Speaker 1: was like a few hundred dollars microphone he was using
Speaker 1: until he's like, no, it's my headset. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: that's Logitech. That sounds decent. So maybe if people out
Speaker 1: there are aspiring to be a podcaster. Check out their
Speaker 1: stuff for some decent, reasonably priced stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't always have to be a bougie roadcaster and
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Speaker 2: what we can. I think if people start podcasting and
Speaker 2: getting into something applies to anything. Just start with what
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Speaker 1: Lenty if people have started off with a headset and
Speaker 1: the phone and now we're doing yeah, yeah, look at
Speaker 1: Jack Allen, he started off, I think pretty much it
Speaker 1: sounded like it got you know, I'm sorry if it
Speaker 1: wasn't your headset, Jack, but it sounded like his first
Speaker 1: few episodes was literally done talking to a phone. And
Speaker 1: I think he's even admitted that. And now he's got
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Speaker 2: Thanks for bearing with me, oh you and the people listening,
Speaker 2: and yeah.
Speaker 1: Listen, it was worth it to have a co host
Speaker 1: that brought you know, that brought that brought stuff to
Speaker 1: the show, so to me it was worth it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll take the low quality over information. Thanks of course.
Speaker 1: So I guess I was going to let you start
Speaker 1: this off. Start this went off, And that's mainly because
Speaker 1: I do think if I remember correctly, this is kind
Speaker 1: of like a major place where they do do experiments
Speaker 1: at as well.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, so again, thank you Helen for all the
Speaker 2: great information. So this place that a lot of experimental
Speaker 2: things have gone down in the UK is called Porton Down.
Speaker 2: So it's a science park in Wiltshire, England, just northeast
Speaker 2: of the village of Porton near Salisbury. So it's home
Speaker 2: to two British government facilities. It's the site of the
Speaker 2: Ministry of Defenses Defense Science and Technology Laboratory, which is
Speaker 2: known as being one of the UK's most secretive and
Speaker 2: controversial military research facilities. It has over seven thousand acres,
Speaker 2: yeah seven, and is also the site of the UK
Speaker 2: Health Security Agency. It is home to other private and
Speaker 2: commercial science organizations and also houses other companies too.
Speaker 1: I wish, uh, I wish I could remember the name,
Speaker 1: but like this stuff even reminds me of and this
Speaker 1: is just very interesting. How like you know they'll admit
Speaker 1: it here, I guess not you know, advertising it, but
Speaker 1: like we had, uh we had. I had covered something
Speaker 1: again on Lee's show with Travis Taylor and something about
Speaker 1: like his father worked at something like that. But here,
Speaker 1: you know, we have our own versions of that here,
Speaker 1: and like they can't even use the place anymore because
Speaker 1: the soil is so contaminated. They don't even want you there.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, if that's still open, like that
Speaker 1: hasn't had that issue that way he had here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think we have a couple of places
Speaker 2: like that here in Toronto, and I'm sure Canada has
Speaker 2: a few spots like that. Interestingly, too, it says to
Speaker 2: the northwest of Porton Down lies the Ministry of Defense's
Speaker 2: Boscombe Down Airfield, which is operated by Kinetic. But Kinetic
Speaker 2: is spelled qi n E T i Q, which I
Speaker 2: thought was weird, right, And it's identified on maps as
Speaker 2: a danger area, so you're like not to go there?
Speaker 1: Interesting, right, Yeah, Kinetic with.
Speaker 2: A Q connectic with a Q on both ends like
Speaker 2: the beginning and the last letter. Right. So Porton Down
Speaker 2: opened in nineteen sixteen as part of the old Yeah
Speaker 2: it's old Man it's over one hundred years old. It's crazy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's part of the War Department's experimental station, you know,
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 1: And like not even not to interrupt you, but I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of times when you start, at
Speaker 1: least with the United States, I think I remember coming
Speaker 1: across in other countries, they seem to have used World
Speaker 1: War One as an excuse for needing to start testing
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is exactly the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is this before?
Speaker 2: Uh no, this is like so World War One I
Speaker 2: think was nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this thing hasn't even whatever. World War One
Speaker 1: hasn't even ended yet.
Speaker 2: No, it hasn't ended.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, because a lot of things that I came
Speaker 1: across used the World War One after the fact as
Speaker 1: the reason why now we need to start testing.
Speaker 2: This stuff, right, And the same thing happened in World
Speaker 2: War Two at the end. You know, we've got so
Speaker 2: many three letter agencies that's a result. Right. So yeah,
Speaker 2: corn and Down opened in nineteen sixteen for testing chemical
Speaker 2: weapons in response to the Germans use of chemical weaponry
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifteen. So, like you said, a response out
Speaker 2: of World War One tactics. The laboratories research and develop
Speaker 2: chemical weapon agents used by the British armed forces in
Speaker 2: the First World War, such as chlorine, mustard gas, and
Speaker 2: fase gene. The key buzzword of like the last couple
Speaker 2: of episodes we've done on this weather manipulation and experimentation,
Speaker 2: right mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I wonder if, like if if you were like every
Speaker 1: country that does this type of stuff, if you were
Speaker 1: to look up there reasoning why, I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: like everybody's just like disappointing the finger at the next person, right, like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're doing it because of Germany. Germany is like what
Speaker 1: we're doing because of the United States. Russian's like, but
Speaker 1: we're doing because of this person. Are we just all
Speaker 1: just throwing fingers at people as an excuse because we're
Speaker 1: just doing it anyway?
Speaker 2: Man? You know the meme with Spider Man and all
Speaker 2: the Spider Man's are pointing at the other Spider Man.
Speaker 1: I was thinking I was thinking something like that as
Speaker 1: we said this totally like this is like euses well.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing too, is like when you think
Speaker 2: of the World wars, you always think of like, well,
Speaker 2: you and I probably think this way, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people listening are probably in the West. Right, let's say,
Speaker 2: so we have been told since we were young that
Speaker 2: like the Axis powers were like the bad guys, so
Speaker 2: like Germany's bad and Russia's bad. But actually the Allies
Speaker 2: were using this stuff just as much, if not more
Speaker 2: then the other side of the coin.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you still remember, if I remember correctly, a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons why I think, like even the Axis
Speaker 1: people were like demonized. Was it because of like chemical
Speaker 1: shit like this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the British Americans did do so and Canadians
Speaker 2: what Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay, So to continue with a little bit more history
Speaker 2: about Port and down. By nineteen twenty the chemical defense
Speaker 2: aspects for air raids for the civilian population were added
Speaker 2: to the responsibilities at this location. In nineteen twenty nine,
Speaker 2: the Royal Engineer's Experimental Station became known as the Chemical
Speaker 2: Warfare Experimental Station or the CWEES, and then in nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty Britain ratified the nineteen twenty five Geneva Protocol, which
Speaker 2: permitted the use of chemical warfare agents in retaliation. So
Speaker 2: legally you can use chemical warfare as a retaliation tactic.
Speaker 2: Appair ah M hm. They changed that law in nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty five. Yeah, so it.
Speaker 1: Like you can use it if it's being used on you, exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh so then you just gotta lie, right, you just gotta.
Speaker 2: Say they do first.
Speaker 1: I got the Sniffles point a spider man, I got
Speaker 1: the Sniffles, lunch lunch anthrax.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, or I don't know, does it does it?
Speaker 2: Does it have to be in response to a chemical attacker?
Speaker 1: That's what I was even thinking too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so can we like mustard gas them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1: Right, that's actually that's I was even thinking that too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, does it have to be a chemical attack?
Speaker 2: Yes? I don't want to go into more from this
Speaker 2: article because it relates then into the.
Speaker 1: Other stuff that we're going to cover, the.
Speaker 2: Specific experiments we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, well I had you mentioned that one first.
Speaker 1: Because of that, it was like kind of a you know,
Speaker 1: a commonality between some of the things we'll cover. It
Speaker 1: was altern at this place. Yeah, I even think of
Speaker 1: I might even the one that I'm covering next might
Speaker 1: even Yeah, I think involves that sure, And that is
Speaker 1: Operation Cauldron. Operation Cauldron was a series of secret biological
Speaker 1: warfare trials undertaken by the British government in nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 1: Scientists from Port and Down and the Royal Navy were
Speaker 1: involved in releasing biological agents including mnemonic and bubonic plague
Speaker 1: what brucellosis, I'm not exactly sure what that is, and tulaimia,
Speaker 1: and testing all bacterial things and testing the effects of
Speaker 1: agents on caged monkeys and guinea pigs. That was another
Speaker 1: thing too. There was a lot of stuff in some
Speaker 1: of the things I have that they did to animals,
Speaker 1: and if people haven't noticed already, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: say this at the beginning, and sorry I'm interrupting the show. Now,
Speaker 1: this may be an episode that if you're listening to it,
Speaker 1: you may actually want to watch it because as we're talking,
Speaker 1: there will be stuff, video clips and pictures of some
Speaker 1: of these testing behind us. So you may want to
Speaker 1: watch it because you'll actually get some old foot from
Speaker 1: some of these operations. Sorry to interrupt, Let me get
Speaker 1: back to where it was carried out by Britain. The
Speaker 1: tests were a joint Anglo US Canadian operation, with a
Speaker 1: US Navy lieutenant commander taking part. US documents showed the
Speaker 1: operation was not purely defensive, as later claimed. At a
Speaker 1: joint nineteen fifty eight conference in Canada, the US chemical
Speaker 1: corpse minuted. It was agreed studies should be continued on
Speaker 1: aerosols all three countries should concentrate on the search of
Speaker 1: incapacitating a new type of lethal agents. The tests. The
Speaker 1: experiments are carried out at sea off the coast of
Speaker 1: the Isle of Lewis in the Outer her Brides. I
Speaker 1: could be saying this wrong. Abroad a floating pontoon supported
Speaker 1: by the ship ben Lamond whatever. The test animals were
Speaker 1: placed in cages on the deck of the pontoon and
Speaker 1: biological agents dispersed either from a bomb suspended from a boom.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a you know, like a like
Speaker 1: what they do with boom mics, like a thing that
Speaker 1: holds up the bomb, or being sprayed. So like neither
Speaker 1: bomb was set off to disperse the stuff or they
Speaker 1: just sprayed them. After being exposed, the animals were taken
Speaker 1: aboard the ben Lamond and those that died were dissected
Speaker 1: to determine the cause of death. Three four and ninety
Speaker 1: two guinea pigs and eighty three monkeys were used in
Speaker 1: the tests. The tests were initially judged to be a success,
Speaker 1: both in terms of effectiveness of the biological agents and
Speaker 1: the test platform. However, a year later this decision was reversed,
Speaker 1: with the tests on plague bacteria being described as a
Speaker 1: failure and the statement that brucecellosis has not increased in
Speaker 1: reputation as a dangerous agent. HM then we have the
Speaker 1: Corella incident. In the final test of the series, the
Speaker 1: Fleetwood based troller Corilla, with a crew of eighteen, ignored
Speaker 1: warnings to steer clear and unwittingly sailed through a cloud
Speaker 1: of plagued bacteria which was called Yusinia pestis, on its
Speaker 1: way to a fishing trip to the waters around Iceland,
Speaker 1: causing concern about a possible plague outbreak around its home
Speaker 1: port in northwest England. The Corilla was not stopped for
Speaker 1: disinfection or it's because they didn't have purel back then.
Speaker 1: Corella was not stopped for disinfection or medical examination, but
Speaker 1: was kept under covert observation by a destroyer. And he
Speaker 1: you know that, I do find that interesting, Like was
Speaker 1: the destroyer going to do anything if there was a problem.
Speaker 2: Maybe they were just going to shoot them down what
Speaker 2: the take them out they're infected.
Speaker 1: Observation by a destroyer and a fisheries vessel for twenty
Speaker 1: one days, and the ship's radio communications were monitored for
Speaker 1: any kind of medical distress call. The surveillance period included
Speaker 1: a period of shore leave at Blackpool, during which the
Speaker 1: crew mixed with the people of the town as usual.
Speaker 1: None of the crew became ill. The incident was dealt
Speaker 1: with at the highest levels of government, going through the
Speaker 1: first Sea Lord to the Chancellor of the at chekhor
Speaker 1: rab Butler e c A e x c H e
Speaker 1: q U e er whatever the hell that is, who
Speaker 1: was basically sitting in for the absence of Winston Churchill.
Speaker 1: The event was successfully covered up at the time, and
Speaker 1: after the danger had passed, most of the documents relevant
Speaker 1: to the case were ordered to be burnt.
Speaker 2: So that's so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I find that very weird. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just find it odd that like the ship went
Speaker 2: through this cloud of plagued bacteria, but then like none
Speaker 2: of the crew got sick. So then does that kind
Speaker 2: of support like the idea that germ theory isn't real.
Speaker 1: That's a really good question, right, Yeah, yeah, I would,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it wouldn't be a good thing to
Speaker 1: know because there was a destroyer out there, but like
Speaker 1: i'd like, I'd like to know, like what would they
Speaker 1: have done if there was right?
Speaker 2: Were they just gonna like take them out and one
Speaker 2: fell swoopy?
Speaker 1: Is that why they were listening for the distress calls?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Very weird. And then on this I have I think
Speaker 1: this might be like kind of like the same thing
Speaker 1: just a little bit more revealed how Navy intelligence tested
Speaker 1: lethal plague bombs off Scotland. It was early in the
Speaker 1: morning on June twenty first, nineteen fifty two, when the
Speaker 1: sound of two percusive wumps coming from a small stretch
Speaker 1: of sea some twenty miles north of the Isle of Lewis,
Speaker 1: heralded the dawn of a new age in British weaponry.
Speaker 1: The explosions came from two small four pound bombs packed
Speaker 1: with plague, and they had just been detonated in the
Speaker 1: open air at sea. Britain had developed the most terrifying
Speaker 1: biological weapon of mass destruction ever, created a weaponized form
Speaker 1: of the Black Death, the bubonic plague. Even in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty two, such tests were illegal. Jerrem warfare had been
Speaker 1: expressly forbidden under the Geneva Protocol, which all countries except
Speaker 1: Japan and the USA signed in June nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 1: The Sunday Herald had been passed for more than forty
Speaker 1: pages of documents written by the British Naval intelligence officers
Speaker 1: and scientists from porton Down, Britain's secret weapons development laboratory
Speaker 1: in Wiltshire, which reveal an astonishing detail the secret history
Speaker 1: of what happened during Operation Cauldrons, a British program of
Speaker 1: the building and testing plague bombs. Blah blah blah, Operation Coldron.
Speaker 1: So I mean they're like the broonic plague.
Speaker 2: Serious? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: The first plague test took place in nineteen forty four,
Speaker 1: add porton Down and a controlled laboratory environment, but by
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two the Navy was using bombs and aerosols
Speaker 1: packed with plague at sea in Scottish waters. Receus if
Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly. Monkeys and guinea pigs were put
Speaker 1: out on the Pontoon Bridges somewhere about twenty miles off
Speaker 1: of Lewis and exposed to the bacteria. Like I had
Speaker 1: said before, so yeah, that's some pretty serious stuff.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it is serious.
Speaker 1: And now this might get a little bit more. The
Speaker 1: type of plague bacteria used in the Lewis tests were
Speaker 1: Yasinia pestis also known as Pastarella pastis or p. Paestis,
Speaker 1: which can cause both neumonic and mubonic plague. So like
Speaker 1: they were really going with this bravonic plank stuff. The
Speaker 1: trials took place between May twenty sixth and September eighth,
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two, and thirty four tests were carried out.
Speaker 1: Sixty used aerosols sprays to spread the bacteria in the air,
Speaker 1: the rest used the bombs. Some of the trials were
Speaker 1: code name Operation Hesperus, during which they were given eighty
Speaker 1: germ warfare tests using both bomb and spray methods. All
Speaker 1: the storm Away experiments were conducted by scientists stationed aboard
Speaker 1: h MS ben Lamon, which I mentioned before. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: pretty much you know, wraps it up with the cauldron
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they were really going heavy and hard
Speaker 1: with the babonic plate stuff.
Speaker 2: That makes me, uh, I don't know, kind of think
Speaker 2: like would they just do that again with more sophisticated
Speaker 2: techniques in this modern era. I mean, I guess they
Speaker 2: kind of tried to do that a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you think about it, I mean most,
Speaker 1: I mean mostly, all this biological testing is to what
Speaker 1: equal in the same end result of death, I mean,
Speaker 1: and we saw plenty of that going around, well supposedly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing with these though, that I wonder is like,
Speaker 2: once it's out there, like say you have an enemy
Speaker 2: in a foreign land and your defense you know, people
Speaker 2: decide we're going to use this biological agent to destroy
Speaker 2: these people. But you can't control a biological agent once
Speaker 2: it's out there. So how do you know that the
Speaker 2: biological agent is not going to also harm you?
Speaker 1: Oh? What if you catch a good breeze and right? Yo,
Speaker 1: that's actually I never really thought of, like yeah, unless like.
Speaker 2: It's a stupid plan.
Speaker 1: Unless the only thing I could think of is like
Speaker 1: if there's like some half life that they understand with
Speaker 1: these things that like maybe like I'm saying, like, let's
Speaker 1: say a country, like you know, halfway around the world
Speaker 1: hit us with something. Do they know for a fact
Speaker 1: this stuff won't even live to get over here?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe something like that, But like that is like
Speaker 1: that is actually a good question though, or.
Speaker 2: They have the antidote already, but.
Speaker 1: Then you got it, but then like all right, but
Speaker 1: then like in that case, like is that something like
Speaker 1: either you're going to have to convince the population to
Speaker 1: take or is that like another thing where you're just
Speaker 1: gonna blow shit up in the air and just give
Speaker 1: it to him regardless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like this.
Speaker 1: Really opens up so many more questions, like really, like
Speaker 1: that's a good point, Like if you do, you have
Speaker 1: to worry about it coming back, then you have to
Speaker 1: protect your area with something else.
Speaker 2: Like maybe it's just not a good plan. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: And it'll affect the food supply, animal life, water, like oh.
Speaker 1: Some of the ones that we're going to cover, I
Speaker 1: think we're meant to screw up the.
Speaker 2: Food supply totally. Well. The one that I have up
Speaker 2: next is sort of similar to Cauldron. So it's called
Speaker 2: Operation Harness. I see that it took place a couple
Speaker 2: years prior, so they probably learned from the mistakes of
Speaker 2: Operation Harness because it didn't go very well, and that's
Speaker 2: how they got Operation Cauldron. It's really short because it
Speaker 2: was a failure. So I'll just read this article quick.
Speaker 2: So Operation Harness was a series of three month secret
Speaker 2: biological warfare trials carried out by the Government of the
Speaker 2: United Kingdom in the Caribbean off the Bahamas from December
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight to February nineteen forty nine. Animals were
Speaker 2: exposed to Anthrax, toulraami and Brusella bacteria on inflatable dinghies offshore,
Speaker 2: but the results were found to be meaningless because it
Speaker 2: says the operation did not go well for several reasons.
Speaker 2: The sea was rougher than they expected, making it impossible
Speaker 2: for the dinghies with animal crates on them to be
Speaker 2: picked up by craft converted for the operation. This meant
Speaker 2: the tests were carried out just offshore of an island,
Speaker 2: which endangered the inhabitants of the island. Protective suits were
Speaker 2: found to be so heavy that those using them had
Speaker 2: to undergo lengthy acclimatization processes to avoid heat exhaustion. Because
Speaker 2: you're doing it in a hot place, right yeah. Sampling
Speaker 2: equipment was accidentally activated by local radio signals, and conditions
Speaker 2: at sea made it impossible to accurately measure the amount
Speaker 2: of bacteria in the atmosphere. Not only that it gets worse,
Speaker 2: five hundred of the six hundred sheep involved were found
Speaker 2: to be unsuitable and were shot.
Speaker 1: Oh come on, so they.
Speaker 2: Just killed five hundred sheep because they just decided these
Speaker 2: sheep are not suitable for experiment.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the same thing is the fact that
Speaker 1: they were used from for the experiment. They were already
Speaker 1: considered disposable and dead.
Speaker 2: Right. But it's like, oh my god, you could have
Speaker 2: just like just terrible guinea.
Speaker 1: Give them to some like broke farmer.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's like, could these sheep salvage like their
Speaker 2: life in some way?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need your lawnmod here, take some sheep. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Guinea Pigs were also found to be disastrous. Reesei's monkeys
Speaker 2: had to be treated for pneumonia before being used. The
Speaker 2: official report found that the techniques used were overcomplicated and
Speaker 2: said that it was uncommonly lucky that only one of
Speaker 2: the staff ended up infected. So again, all all this
Speaker 2: crazy pathogens and bacteria and only one person got sick.
Speaker 1: Weird.
Speaker 2: Although they were wearing protective gear apparently that made them overheat.
Speaker 1: But I have actually wondered, like some of these that
Speaker 1: sound too crazy, But like, could you just put out
Speaker 1: like videos of you supposedly testing shit and make people scared.
Speaker 2: I think they did that already in twenty twenty. They
Speaker 2: and like in the World Wars they used to have
Speaker 2: those newsreels.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at. I'm like that I'm sure
Speaker 1: could have been propaganda for a you know for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, even if the experiment has failed, if they
Speaker 2: filmed some of this stuff, they probably could have like
Speaker 2: used the footage elsewhere, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Very interesting to think about that, and.
Speaker 2: They could have been like, oh, look, the Germans are
Speaker 2: experimenting on sheep, but really it was just them the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's what I was even thinking that.
Speaker 2: Look, but yeah, that's it for Operation uh harness.
Speaker 1: Sweet, Yeah, that was that was an entertaining one.
Speaker 2: I don't I feel bad sheep?
Speaker 1: You know? Oh, I was actually going to ask that
Speaker 1: for the listeners. Yeah, I'm actually wondering, and I do
Speaker 1: know there are some people that are that may actually
Speaker 1: know this answer. That's why I'm asking the reason for
Speaker 1: the sheep and those types of monkeys. I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: there's any reason why, uh those might have been used.
Speaker 1: You know, is there something up with like maybe those
Speaker 1: animals being good for something, because I did notice a
Speaker 1: lot of these experiments will use those monkeys and sheep.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I'm just wondering if there's
Speaker 1: a specific reason why those might be more beneficial.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Hopefully yeah, Hopelly one of the listeners.
Speaker 2: But I mean, sheep are docile, so that's probably why
Speaker 2: the monkeys. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I was just wondering if there was like a biological
Speaker 1: reason why, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like the monkeys it's something to do with
Speaker 2: like their DNA because I'm just saying that with the
Speaker 2: name like the recis monkey, because you know, there's like
Speaker 2: the rah negative factor in like human blood. I think
Speaker 2: it's the same kind of concept. But maybe I'm just
Speaker 2: talking completely out of my ass. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, somebody might actually know better. Somebody may know
Speaker 1: that that to be correct, and they can let us know.
Speaker 2: Now, so totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So next, I have the door Set Biological Warfare Experiments.
Speaker 1: The door Set Biological Warfare Experiments or a series of
Speaker 1: experiments conducted between nineteen fifty three and nineteen seventy five
Speaker 1: to determine the extent to which a single ship or
Speaker 1: aircraft could dispense biological warfare agents over the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: The tests between was a little bit I guess not
Speaker 1: as old as the other ones nineteen seventy one. In
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five were known as the Dice trials. The
Speaker 1: tests were conducted by scientists from as Usual Porting Down,
Speaker 1: initially using zinc cadmium sulfide zncds as a simulated agent.
Speaker 1: Early results clearly showed that one aircraft flying along the
Speaker 1: coast while spraying its agent could contaminate a target over
Speaker 1: one hundred miles away over an area of ten thousand
Speaker 1: square miles. This method of biological warfare attack and test
Speaker 1: program to study was known as the large area coverage
Speaker 1: LAC concept. In the early nineteen sixties, Down was asked
Speaker 1: to expand the scope of their test to determine if
Speaker 1: using a live bacteria instead of the zinc cadmium sulfide
Speaker 1: would significantly alter the results. Scientists from the Microbiological Research
Speaker 1: Established establishment at Porton Down selected South Dorset as the
Speaker 1: site for the next phase of testing with Basilis subtilis.
Speaker 1: And this actually goes back to something that I had
Speaker 1: mentioned in UH might have been the subway maybe also
Speaker 1: known as bilcillis globgally right, I probably Globig or BG
Speaker 1: as they call it. I'll go with BG also also
Speaker 1: known as BG selected as the test agent, so I
Speaker 1: you know here they are using the same test agent.
Speaker 1: I guess the bacteria is sprayed across South Dorset without
Speaker 1: the knowledge or consent of the inhabitants. Trial area maps
Speaker 1: showing experiments conducted during nineteen sixty four nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 1: There will be a map up behind us that will
Speaker 1: actually show like kind of where the ship was going.
Speaker 1: The straight lines indicate the track of the spray ship
Speaker 1: and the numbers on the land indicate the location of
Speaker 1: samplings positions. During this second trial season, Porton greatly expanded
Speaker 1: the trial areas and made use of the whole of
Speaker 1: the Line Bay and surrounding countryside. The resulting bacteria aerosol
Speaker 1: clouds generated from a ship sailing either in Lime or
Speaker 1: Weymouth Bay were detected as far west as the edge
Speaker 1: of Dartmoor in Devon. Maybe that makes sense to people
Speaker 1: who live over there. I have no how, Yeah, is
Speaker 1: that like you know, New York to California or Nats
Speaker 1: to Suffolk and as far east as Ridgewood in Hampshire.
Speaker 1: So the trials were conducted, and I'm going to try
Speaker 1: to read these quick and it's really just kind of actually,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read all of them, but what
Speaker 1: I do want to get at is that there was
Speaker 1: between nineteen sixty three, in October to May of nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty five, there was twenty seven of these tests of
Speaker 1: trials done. And one thing I did find interesting and
Speaker 1: I did bring this up. Oh, I think it was
Speaker 1: the Jamatri episode with contemporary Problems on the Occult Rejects
Speaker 1: went live. I don't know. I honestly, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's going to be out or not by the
Speaker 1: time this drops. If it's out, you check it out.
Speaker 1: If not, you'll hear what we talked about. I do
Speaker 1: want to mention this one. I asked him to cover
Speaker 1: the number two seventeen or combinations up because I had
Speaker 1: come across some interesting things that I thought with that number,
Speaker 1: especially in the news. To make it real quick, I
Speaker 1: had found it was a Dan Levy from Shit's Creek
Speaker 1: making a post on TikTok about a news article about
Speaker 1: these balloons being shot down on two seventeen. So the
Speaker 1: weird thing was is at the beginning of the TikTok,
Speaker 1: dan Levy says, It's been seventeen years and two posts
Speaker 1: since I've done this. TikTok hasn't been around for seventeen years,
Speaker 1: so I don't know where this seventeen years and two
Speaker 1: posts comes from. So it seemed weird that he included
Speaker 1: two and seventeen and then pointing out an article talking
Speaker 1: about the weather balloon on February seventeenth, and then somebody
Speaker 1: else I know that things that they're like this all
Speaker 1: knowing authority on Alsda Crowley sold his money Making dropped
Speaker 1: his money Making book on February seventeenth as well, So
Speaker 1: I started to wonder as if something up with that date.
Speaker 1: And the seventheenth trial was done on February seventeenth, nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty five. I find that interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 2: Oh, inn ant Man, Quantumnia movie came.
Speaker 1: Out, came out to seventeen seventeen. Yes, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things dropping on the seventeenth balloons,
Speaker 1: movies and books.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, as a random commentary, I heard this morning that Wikipedia,
Speaker 2: I have not checked it myself, so don't take my
Speaker 2: word for it. Go check has changed in their Holocaust
Speaker 2: entry the victims of the Holocaust from six million Jews
Speaker 2: to seventeen million Jews. I just heard that this morning.
Speaker 2: Sound like say what, I'm like, you know, those numbers
Speaker 2: are arguably already symbolic, the six million to begin.
Speaker 1: With, so seventeen much worse.
Speaker 2: Why has it jumped suddenly to seventeen million?
Speaker 1: I think seventeen.
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's just interesting.
Speaker 1: I think there's seventeen and them to the million just
Speaker 1: says it, all right, there seventeen and the letter M yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like whatever. I don't want to say too
Speaker 1: much stuff. I mean, even when you get into like
Speaker 1: Jack the Ripper put it that way, what was he
Speaker 1: writing on the wall? You know, stuff about the Jews,
Speaker 1: but not not his you know, the religion you're talking
Speaker 1: about the Jews from the Mason Mason Ship, the people
Speaker 1: who the people who killed What the fuck is that dude?
Speaker 1: That most some of their things is based off of
Speaker 1: Oh God, I forgot his name. Someone's name? That, uh
Speaker 1: is like pretty important inside the initiations. Supposed he was
Speaker 1: killed by I think J O. O. S or something
Speaker 1: like that, or they spelt it differently.
Speaker 2: Mm so yeah, yeah, weird, the funny, funniest.
Speaker 1: Side interesting, that's wow. I got to look into that.
Speaker 1: I find that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was wild, and.
Speaker 1: Then here I have Yeah again. During the early nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty sixties, scientists from the Microbiological Research Establishment Important down
Speaker 1: where asked to investigate whether similar results could be attained
Speaker 1: by using live bacteria. Yeah, I said that all again,
Speaker 1: but it was realized. It was quickly realized that the
Speaker 1: portant range seven acres, like you mentioned before, it was
Speaker 1: far too small to be used. So obviously, like they
Speaker 1: already knew like this stuff could spread pretty fucking far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Line Bay is a semi circular. It's about
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty mile radius, which is another reason
Speaker 1: why they had picked that area, because it was pretty big.
Speaker 1: It has a nearby dockyard which facilitated the spray ship.
Speaker 1: It was only about fifty miles from the laboratories of
Speaker 1: Portant down which enabled overnight examination of radioactivity you know,
Speaker 1: or anything like that. So yeah, that was another reason
Speaker 1: why they picked that areas because obviously I think that
Speaker 1: they understood that this was going to spread far. You know,
Speaker 1: a twenty five to thirty mile radius.
Speaker 2: It's big, it is big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like, you know, i'd be interesting. I wonder
Speaker 1: what like the mile radius of Manhattan is you know yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look it up real quick right now,
Speaker 1: mile radius of Manhattan, h radius of Manhattan, because.
Speaker 2: I see there's something comparable in our minds.
Speaker 1: Right yeah. Wow. It's not like giving me like a
Speaker 1: fucking straight answer.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, you think that, yeah, yeah, right, real quick?
Speaker 1: What is it whatever? Maybe in this what is the
Speaker 1: size of Manhattans size Manhattan thirty no stop, thirty three
Speaker 1: point seventy seven squamiles?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, shut the front door. Oh come on, why.
Speaker 1: Yo, it's yo, it's crazy? Is that I think? Uh?
Speaker 1: I think like you could have actually have taken out
Speaker 1: Rhode Island too, if that bomb was if those bombs
Speaker 1: were lethal, that they dispersed, yoh for real, because I
Speaker 1: think that's even smaller. Wow, that's wild thirty three of course.
Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, that's uh, that's really Oh and then
Speaker 1: I also have just real quick. On the fourteenth of
Speaker 1: November and nineteen sixty three, the Experimental Trials Vessel ICE
Speaker 1: whale slipped from a Portland naval base and sailed around
Speaker 1: Portland bill to Line Bay. At one nineteen Portan scientists
Speaker 1: started spraying apparatus, started the spraying apparatus, and for the
Speaker 1: next thirty three minutes, the etv ice whale sailed in
Speaker 1: a straight line across Lime Bay, you know, on spring
Speaker 1: all that stuff out. I thought that was interesting that
Speaker 1: they did it for thirty three minutes precisely. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: amount of bacterial suspension used in each trial had risen
Speaker 1: to four hundred and eighty eight leaders, so we got
Speaker 1: a four and eight in there, like everything else going
Speaker 1: on with the thirty three Yeah, so yeah, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to include that because I thought that was interesting, just
Speaker 1: with the numbers.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's all I have on that one. If
Speaker 1: you've got something you want to go to.
Speaker 2: Next I do. I have another fun UK experiment called
Speaker 2: Operation Vegetarian.
Speaker 1: Nice, and that was actually I think it might have
Speaker 1: been a precursor to the one that I'm going to cover,
Speaker 1: which is very short too.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, nice, Okay. So Operation Vegetarian was a British
Speaker 2: by a Warfare military plan in nineteen forty two to
Speaker 2: disseminate linseed cakes infected with Anthrax S. Flores onto the
Speaker 2: s fields of Germany. These cakes were to be eaten
Speaker 2: by cattle, which would then be consumed by the civilian population,
Speaker 2: causing the deaths of millions of German civilians. How nice. Furthermore,
Speaker 2: it would have wiped out the majority of Germany's cattle
Speaker 2: to create a massive food shortage for the rest of
Speaker 2: the population that remained uninfected. Preparations were complete in early
Speaker 2: nineteen forty four, so it took them two years to
Speaker 2: prep which I will explain why it took so long.
Speaker 2: So the production aspect of Operation Vegetarian began under the
Speaker 2: direction of the Port and Down Biology Department, the head
Speaker 2: of which was I don't know how to say his name,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna guess Paul Filds. Since he's British, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say it's not Phildes Fils. He was ordered
Speaker 2: to find suppliers for the chemicals needed for production for
Speaker 2: both the anthrax and the cakes themselves, along with specialized
Speaker 2: containers to carry and prevent contamination during transport. This meant
Speaker 2: that some of the Royal Air Force planes had to
Speaker 2: be modified in order to drop the payloads without destroying
Speaker 2: them in the process. It's very complicated. The Lindseaed cake
Speaker 2: production was outsourced to the Olympia Oil and Cake Company
Speaker 2: and they were to produce large batches of full cakes.
Speaker 2: The slicing of the cakes into the appropriate size was
Speaker 2: to be given to a soap manufacturer business named J
Speaker 2: and E. Atkinson, because they I guess, like the way
Speaker 2: you make soap is you make these like logs and
Speaker 2: then you slice them. So it's a similar process. Maybe
Speaker 2: they had this machinery needed to do it.
Speaker 1: Maybe fucking spread the wealth, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they were contracted to cut the cakes into
Speaker 2: two and a half centimeter diameter pieces and ten grams
Speaker 2: in weight, so they're pretty tiny. Two and a half
Speaker 2: centimeters is like small. It's like centimeters like the width
Speaker 2: of like your pinky finger. So just for the people
Speaker 2: who are on imperially, what does that mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: it's like little coins, I guess. H So they were
Speaker 2: ordered to manufacture one hundred and eighty thousand to two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand pieces per week.
Speaker 1: Oh see, people are making these companies are making money
Speaker 1: off for getting those contracts.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And the final was to have over five
Speaker 2: point two million cakes ready by April nineteen forty three.
Speaker 1: Is that is that many cows out there to feed?
Speaker 2: Don't I don't know. I don't think so, but I
Speaker 2: guess they need a lot in the cows to make
Speaker 2: an effect perhaps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess it doesn't mean they'll eat
Speaker 1: everyone that's on the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not an exact science, I suppose. So. The
Speaker 2: anthrax bacteria was produced internally by the British government at
Speaker 2: a lab operated by the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food,
Speaker 2: with another employed scientist being responsible for figuring out the
Speaker 2: injection method in order to introduce the anthrax into the
Speaker 2: linseed cake slices. Like, how do you even make the
Speaker 2: cake without the cow sort of sniffing it out? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, wouldn't the cows maybe be like, mmm,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to eat that because that smells weird? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Like, I don't know. So the actual task
Speaker 2: of injecting the anthrax was given to thirteen women. Why
Speaker 2: is that have to be thirteen? Right? They were previously
Speaker 2: soap makers, so maybe they had some sort of special skill.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then they needed to design containers to house the cakes
Speaker 2: to allow for easy deployment but also not contamination. So
Speaker 2: they made up these special containers that could house four
Speaker 2: hundred cakes each and had steel handles so minimal contact
Speaker 2: by people could be used. The final production task was
Speaker 2: how they were to be attached and deployed to the
Speaker 2: Royal Air Force planes. Eventually, the RIF came up with
Speaker 2: a wooden tray system that would be attached to the
Speaker 2: flare shoots for release. The planes that were modified for
Speaker 2: this task were Avro Lancasters, Handley Page Halifaxes and Short Sterlings,
Speaker 2: so some some pretty sophisticated planes for the time. The
Speaker 2: testing of the air thracks as an animal elimination method
Speaker 2: was done on Greenard Island, which is just off the
Speaker 2: coast of Scotland. This location was chosen because of its
Speaker 2: small size. It's only five and twenty total acres.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going forward, we'll be calling that g.
Speaker 2: Island called g Island g Wagon. No, I'm kidding, and
Speaker 2: it has very few inhabitants. There's also a local military
Speaker 2: base close by called Locke u Ewe that served as
Speaker 2: a staging area for the experiment.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I wonder if that was like associated with locked
Speaker 1: at all. I don't know interesting even the last named
Speaker 1: Locke trace is back to some like.
Speaker 2: Real shady shit I'm sure long and buried history there so.
Speaker 2: The original tests on the effectiveness of the anthrax were
Speaker 2: conducted on g Island in nineteen forty and four, with
Speaker 2: the bacteria being included in a chemical bomb which was
Speaker 2: dropped on sixty sheep that had been shipped over to
Speaker 2: the island for the purposes of the experiment. The bomb
Speaker 2: EXE itself contained a thick slurry of concentrated anthrax spores
Speaker 2: and was dropped via bomber plane. The test was very effective,
Speaker 2: more than they thought. All the sheep died in days
Speaker 2: and also infected a small number of farm animals on
Speaker 2: the mainland afterwards, so it carry over. It was determined
Speaker 2: later that one of the buried sheep carcasses had become
Speaker 2: unearthed due to a major storm and washed ashore, so
Speaker 2: further spreading infection. Other tests continued until nineteen forty three,
Speaker 2: when the risk of infecting nearby populations was too great
Speaker 2: and the island. G Island was quarantined from all boat
Speaker 2: and plane traffic because of the widespread contamination from the
Speaker 2: anthrax spores. The island remain closed until nineteen ninety crazy right,
Speaker 2: just one little part of left here. Operations Vegetarian was
Speaker 2: fully ready for deployment by the spring of nineteen forty four,
Speaker 2: and plans were drafted for the cakes to be dropped
Speaker 2: in the summer, when German cattle would be grazing openly
Speaker 2: in fields. In order to entice the cattle to eating
Speaker 2: the linseed cakes, they needed to be dropped after the
Speaker 2: spring grass had been consumed and the amount of food
Speaker 2: left was limited. The raid and air drops needed to
Speaker 2: be done in one single action as fast as possible
Speaker 2: to prevent the German military from knowing what the heck
Speaker 2: was going on. Fileds Paul Fils from Portindown. He estimated
Speaker 2: the flight path should be from Oldenburg to Hanover and
Speaker 2: could be done in eighteen minutes and cover sixty miles
Speaker 2: of cattle grazing land. But by the time the plan
Speaker 2: by the time summer arrived for the plan to be executed,
Speaker 2: the Normandy invasion had occurred and Allied troops were advancing
Speaker 2: across northern Europe, so this caused Operation Vegetarian to be abandoned.
Speaker 2: Five million cakes were to be disseminated in Germany and
Speaker 2: were all eventually destroyed via incinerator shortly after World War Two.
Speaker 2: They literally did all that for absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: They turned those things into urinal cake stop lying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cakes of light Yeah kill you though, No, I
Speaker 2: mean anyway, it was good that it didn't work out,
Speaker 2: because it could have been really bad for the whole world,
Speaker 2: probably especially Germany.
Speaker 1: You know. You know what's interesting though, like I mean, like,
Speaker 1: was there any proof that these companies that supposedly made
Speaker 1: all this stuff again, like we were saying before, you know,
Speaker 1: going to one person to get cut, one person to
Speaker 1: do this, Like how do you know, Like was it
Speaker 1: ever going to work to begin with? And that was
Speaker 1: just let's find a reason to get money.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is kind of what's going on
Speaker 2: in the last few years with you know, the latest
Speaker 2: Pokey stuff is a similar thing. Contract, this contract that
Speaker 2: let's manufacture billions of doses, blah blah blah, and no
Speaker 2: one really knows.
Speaker 1: Like everybody just needs to get paid. That's all that matters.
Speaker 2: That's all they care about, just their little step in
Speaker 2: the plan. They get their money, and they're out right, Wow.
Speaker 1: That is actually really interesting.
Speaker 2: Wild I could say a few more things about g
Speaker 2: Island if you.
Speaker 1: Want, Yeah, because actually that you pretty much killed whatever
Speaker 1: I had left. So the I know it's all right.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were gonna because I know you
Speaker 1: had Operation Vegetarian. I just didn't know how much you're
Speaker 1: going to go into g Island. And that's all I
Speaker 1: had left, and you basically covered everything I had left
Speaker 1: for it. No, that's fine with me. That's fine with me.
Speaker 2: All your stuff. Yeah, So the g Island was contaminated
Speaker 2: and quarantine untill nineteen. Like I said before, Interestingly, there
Speaker 2: was something called Operation Dark Harvest, and so in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty one, newspapers began receiving messages with the heading Operation
Speaker 2: Dark Harvest, which demanded that the government decontaminate the island,
Speaker 2: and reported that a team of microbiologists from two universities
Speaker 2: had landed on the island with the aid of the
Speaker 2: locals and collected three hundred pounds of soil. The group
Speaker 2: threatened to leave samples of soil at appropriate points to
Speaker 2: ensure that they could get the government's attention. Basically, sealed
Speaker 2: packages of soil were left outside military research facilities like
Speaker 2: Porton Down and tests were revealed that it did still
Speaker 2: contain anthrax bacteria. A few days later, sealed packages were
Speaker 2: left in Blackpool, where the Conservative Party was holding its
Speaker 2: annual conference, that soil did not contain anthrax, but officials
Speaker 2: were concerned, of course, so starting in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 2: the efforts were made to decontaminate the island. Basically, what
Speaker 2: they did was take two hundred and eighty tons of
Speaker 2: formaldehyde solution distilled in seawater, sprayed it all over the island.
Speaker 2: The worst contaminated top soils were removed. A flock of
Speaker 2: sheep was then placed on the island to test it,
Speaker 2: and they did remain healthy, so they determined it fit
Speaker 2: for man and beast. So basically, officially, on April twenty fourth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, after forty eight years of quarantine and four
Speaker 2: years after the formaldehyde solution, they determined that the island
Speaker 2: could be repurchased by its original owners because people owned
Speaker 2: it before the government decided that it wanted to take
Speaker 2: it over, and they repurchased it for five hundred pounds
Speaker 2: real cheap but rightfully so. Yeah, the basis of g
Speaker 2: island Also, interestingly, on March twenty sixth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: almost exactly a year ago, the island was burned completely
Speaker 2: in a wildfire. Eyewitnesses described the scene as apocalyptic. Wow, weird, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting, mm hmm, that was crazy though, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even with me if people were watching, I
Speaker 1: mean there was even showing the videos of that stuff too.
Speaker 1: It does look pretty pretty intense. But again, like I
Speaker 1: do question this actually because they never got to use anything.
Speaker 1: But are they you know, I don't know. They seem
Speaker 1: to contract it all these people.
Speaker 2: Though before seems like they use the same techniques over
Speaker 2: and over. Right, I don't know. I have a couple
Speaker 2: more quick things, sure, go for it, all right. So
Speaker 2: another fun one the British government. It's called the rawal
Speaker 2: Pindi experiments as it took place in India. So these
Speaker 2: were experiments involving the use of mustard gas carried out
Speaker 2: by British scientists from pouring down and hundreds of soldiers
Speaker 2: from the British Indian Army. So this was carried out
Speaker 2: before and during the Second World War at rawal Pindi
Speaker 2: which is modern day Pakistan. The experiments began in the
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties and lasted more than ten years, so Basically,
Speaker 2: they had soldiers from their own army go into chambers
Speaker 2: full of mustard gas and observe the effects. They wanted
Speaker 2: them to be wearing only like cotton shirts and shorts,
Speaker 2: and they wanted to determine the appropriate dosage to use
Speaker 2: on battlefields, so they tested on their own people first.
Speaker 2: Although I do believe the soldiers did have knowledge of
Speaker 2: what was going on and they like volunteered for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it wasn't there something like that
Speaker 1: that I covered too, And that other one I felt
Speaker 1: like that was like the veterans. I think they like
Speaker 1: kind of like orfered for the experiments, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they knew exactly how serious it was going to be.
Speaker 2: Perhaps, Yeah, it says here more than twenty thousand servicemen
Speaker 2: were subjected to chemical warfare trials between nineteen sixteen and
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, oh at Porton Down. So they're just
Speaker 2: including that little fun stat in this article.
Speaker 1: But they're busy over there, are important down.
Speaker 2: Very busy. Is it like they're DARPA, Like, jeez, what's
Speaker 2: going on there? Yeah? So basically a lot of people
Speaker 2: had chemical burns. Of course pain discomfort, but no long
Speaker 2: term effects of exposure were documented or studied. So that's
Speaker 2: pretty much it on that one. A little disturbing, you know,
Speaker 2: but yeah. And then in a related incident around the
Speaker 2: death of a Air Force engineer named Ronald Madison. So
Speaker 2: he was a leading aircraft engineer named Ronald George Battison.
Speaker 2: He was only twenty years old, so he lived from
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three to nineteen fifty three, and he was
Speaker 2: unlawfully killed as a result of exposure to chemical nerve
Speaker 2: agents acting as a voluntary test subject at Port and Down.
Speaker 2: It took over fifty years for his death to be
Speaker 2: investigated in his family to receive a settlement. So what
Speaker 2: happened was porton Down had began testing sarin saarn, saren
Speaker 2: or serene I don't know how you say it on
Speaker 2: humans since October nineteen fifty one, but adverse reactions were
Speaker 2: not recorded until February nineteen fifty three. The most severe
Speaker 2: reactions occurred on April twenty seventh, when one of the
Speaker 2: six volunteers was exposed to three hundred milligrams of saren
Speaker 2: and fell into a coma, but he eventually recovered. This
Speaker 2: prompted to reduce the dose from three hundred milligrams to
Speaker 2: two hundred, so, along with other servicemen, young Madison was
Speaker 2: offered fifteen shillings and three days vacation for taking part
Speaker 2: in these experiments. He planned to use the money to
Speaker 2: buy an engagement ring for his girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 2: So it's like super sad. I don't know if that's true,
Speaker 2: but it makes it sadder. On the day he died,
Speaker 2: Ronald Madison entered a gas chamber at ten o'clock am
Speaker 2: along with five other test subjects. They were each to
Speaker 2: have an identical experiment performed on them, which is part
Speaker 2: of a series to determine the lethal dose of saren
Speaker 2: when delivered to bare skin or battle dress covered skin.
Speaker 2: The method you was to ensure the change in I
Speaker 2: cannot even say this. Whatever chemical reaction occurs in the
Speaker 2: blood cells at small doses to inflict injury or death,
Speaker 2: Sarin is extremely poisonous because it attacks the nervous system
Speaker 2: by blocking this enzyme process. This was practical because red
Speaker 2: blood cell membranes contain forms of chemicals that induced this process.
Speaker 2: So the participants were wearing respirators with wool hats and
Speaker 2: oversized overalls, but no other protective clothing. Two technicians carried
Speaker 2: out the experiment and Madison was the fourth person to
Speaker 2: have drops of sarin applied. At ten seventeen, heah had
Speaker 2: twenty ten milligram drops of sarin applied to two layers
Speaker 2: of cloth.
Speaker 1: Ten seventeen. You said twenty drops.
Speaker 2: Ten drops, Yeah, so he had ten drops applied to
Speaker 2: his left forearm. After twenty minutes, he began to sweat
Speaker 2: and complained that he did not feel well. One person
Speaker 2: eyewitnessed report said that he slumped over on the table.
Speaker 2: The contaminated cloth was removed and he left the chamber
Speaker 2: walking I don't know how they know exactly thirty meters
Speaker 2: to a bench. An ambulance was called shortly afterwards, and
Speaker 2: Madison started to complain of deafness. He collapsed and began
Speaker 2: gasping for breath. Scientists injected him with atropine as they
Speaker 2: were witnessing an asthma like attack and convulsions. An ambulance
Speaker 2: took him to the site's local medical facility, where he
Speaker 2: arrived at ten forty seven. Attempts were made to resuscitate
Speaker 2: him using oxygen, further injections of atropine and other drugs.
Speaker 2: An injection of adrenaline to jump start his heart and
Speaker 2: he died just after eleven am. Yeah, less than forty
Speaker 2: five minutes after being exposed to the poison. But his
Speaker 2: death was not pronounced until one thirty pm. There's a
Speaker 2: thirteen again. Weird. Yeah, so there was a whole controversy
Speaker 2: around his death. Who was responsible? Did he have some
Speaker 2: sort of like genetic predisposition to like overreacting without knowing
Speaker 2: that he had this problem? Basically, the military and British
Speaker 2: government tried to like just make his family go away.
Speaker 2: They tried to pay a little bit for funeral expensive
Speaker 2: not much at all, and then with pressure, the family
Speaker 2: had an inquest done and they wanted inquiry into his death.
Speaker 2: And fifty years later it was determined after judicial review
Speaker 2: that it was an unlawful killing. So they did end
Speaker 2: up eventually receiving a undred thousand pounds in conversation from
Speaker 2: the Ministry of Defense.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty crazy, But it ended up no one was
Speaker 2: officially prosecuted, just just a little fun settlement, right, So yeah,
Speaker 2: that is, uh, the British experiments on sistems and the
Speaker 2: military pretty crazy, right.
Speaker 1: Nobody got prosecuted, just like nobody's going to get prosecuted
Speaker 1: now exactly.
Speaker 2: No, no one's going to jail. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: No one's going to jail when all the people that
Speaker 2: control the system are involved, So why would they prosecute themselves?
Speaker 1: Right, very well said, very well done, good.
Speaker 2: Job, Thank you, youtobe.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and thank you. He yes, this
Speaker 1: so we could do it, Queen, Helen, Helen Holmes Holmes.
Speaker 2: Gotta get her like the monocle and the cap.
Speaker 1: You know, she actually send me a picture. I have to.
Speaker 1: I have to pull it up and see if there's
Speaker 1: a way I could eventually throw it in. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like her, like looking like Charlotte Holmes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just see that somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I sent it to youse. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is great.
Speaker 2: Too, too funny. Yeah, thank you so much, Helen. It
Speaker 2: was really interesting, honestly learn about this and you know,
Speaker 2: talk about it a bit wild stuff, man. And as
Speaker 2: I was researching, just on an anecdotal note, because my
Speaker 2: son is experiencing like all these weird rashes lately, I
Speaker 2: was like, what does anthrax burn look? To see what
Speaker 2: it looks like to compare it to his face, But
Speaker 2: so far I don't know. Still still inconclusive on his
Speaker 2: skin problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny you did mention that only started
Speaker 1: once the fog came.
Speaker 2: Right after that crazy mystery fog. That's when all this
Speaker 2: weird stuff started with him, the cough skin, his exema
Speaker 2: is going crazy. Like yeah, so I'm I'm convinced it's
Speaker 2: environmental and not allergies. So the investigation continues.
Speaker 1: Yes, very interesting situation. Well, I think that went pretty well.
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty pretty eye opening. I thought too,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was saying before, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought the stuff I covered was like
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. I mean, I don't know, I think they're
Speaker 1: both equally is crazy in different ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely this is I think a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean what I guess what the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: is that I feel like the United States did stuff
Speaker 1: but actually took the risk of exposing people. They used
Speaker 1: serious stuff and just exposed you know, people can brush
Speaker 1: of animals as that counting. I don't, but you know,
Speaker 1: I guess it's you know, better than humans.
Speaker 2: I don't know who wants to keeping it more within
Speaker 2: the military only, Yeah, that makes it okay either. But yeah, well,
Speaker 2: and then you know what, the cattle stuff. It actually
Speaker 2: made me think of some reports of cattle dying in
Speaker 2: the Midwest last.
Speaker 1: Year, even like, is there a tide of this in
Speaker 1: the cattle mutilations?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, totally? Who knows? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's why I like, there was a few times
Speaker 1: where I had even wonder, like, you know, is this
Speaker 1: old stuff that was just put out to still fear
Speaker 1: and that was none of it was real. I don't
Speaker 1: know who knows or it'll could be real. Who knows?
Speaker 1: That's just our theory and our commentary on these things. Yes,
Speaker 1: who knows in.
Speaker 2: The business of theories, Yes, we say with a grain
Speaker 2: of salt.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta make up your own mind with
Speaker 1: this stuff. One thing I would add if, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying this, if someone can send me enough
Speaker 1: to do a whole episode just doesn't mean and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to sound like an asshole. I want fifty
Speaker 1: people hitting me up with one link. Yeah, like a dick.
Speaker 1: But if somebody actually had enough information that had crazy
Speaker 1: stuff like this in another country, send it. I'll cover
Speaker 1: it eventually because it might be interesting. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's other countries that are doing this stuff, and
Speaker 1: we just don't know because we didn't live there, you know,
Speaker 1: we just don't know. They don't talk about it. Like
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the stuff in the United States
Speaker 1: before I covered it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they all do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, you know, if anybody happens to
Speaker 1: listen that's from another country that knows about a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff, you know, if you can send me
Speaker 1: a bunch of links to do a show, I'll cover it.
Speaker 1: You know, it'll be a free episode for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that is the end of another NY Patriot episode.
Speaker 1: I was you know I mentioned before, and I want
Speaker 1: to stress again, you know, I think this is kind
Speaker 1: of an episode where you would have gotten more out
Speaker 1: of it if you did watch it. For people that
Speaker 1: are listening, I do have YouTube, I do have bit shoot,
Speaker 1: and I do have Rumble, so you can check those
Speaker 1: out for videos as well instead of just the podcasts.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I also have I could check out the
Speaker 1: new Twitter and the new TikTok that is in the
Speaker 1: bottom with the link tree, and check out the Elements server.
Speaker 1: Check it out, join it. There's a bunch of cool
Speaker 1: stuff in there, tons of different shows, tons of different topics.
Speaker 1: So check that out and you want to plug your show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if everyone wants to come check out the Spiritual
Speaker 2: Gangsters podcast. That's another fun one that we have where
Speaker 2: we more so like do personal stories, not so much
Speaker 2: chemical warfare and occultists. Yeah, but yeah, it's great chats
Speaker 2: for like awake and aware people, So come hang out
Speaker 2: with us there. It's a lot of fun and you
Speaker 2: can find all the links in the bottom. It's you know,
Speaker 2: on the major podcast platforms. You can connect with me
Speaker 2: on Instagram and on Twitter. I am on Twitter, yes, newly.
Speaker 2: I really don't like it, to be honest. I think
Speaker 2: it's very not intuitive like how you use it. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm just not used to it. But you can find
Speaker 2: me on Twitter at TS Gangster's Pod.
Speaker 1: It's good for trolling, I'm sure it is. I think
Speaker 1: I'm kind of over that a little bit, so it's
Speaker 1: not as fun for me anymore. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: highlight I've had is arguing with Sam Triple.
Speaker 2: On this there you go, Yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 1: It was a fun one if that went on for
Speaker 1: a while actually, but uh yeah, and I do want
Speaker 1: to add too. You know, we did create a rumble
Speaker 1: for her start subbing to her Rumble if you want
Speaker 1: to catch lives, because I am going live on my
Speaker 1: Rumble a lot. Now. Unfortunately she doesn't have that many subs,
Speaker 1: so she's kind of like, you know, what's the point.
Speaker 1: Eventually we'll start streaming to it, because I think that
Speaker 1: just helps people on Rumble. No, you even exist totally,
Speaker 1: but we will start live streaming. Like if we live
Speaker 1: stream on YouTube with the Spiritual Gangster's there's a good
Speaker 1: chance it's going to be going to Rumble as well.
Speaker 1: So there is another option if you don't like YouTube
Speaker 1: or whatever reason, you can check in on the lives
Speaker 1: for the Spiritual Gangsters there as well. And for anything
Speaker 1: that if you do follow us on YouTube and you
Speaker 1: didn't notice an episode, or if you notice an episode
Speaker 1: didn't drop, it's going to be on Rumble because it
Speaker 1: obviously was not good for YouTube.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the censorship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so even just for censorship reasons, if you want
Speaker 1: to catch stuff that might be censored, go going and
Speaker 1: go smash that follow button on Rumble. Thanks yo, nah nah,
Speaker 1: because I think it is. I think it's actually it
Speaker 1: seems to be a good place to do lives at.
Speaker 1: In my opinion.
Speaker 2: And you know what, I do like Rumble as a
Speaker 2: user because I don't pay for YouTube premium and I
Speaker 2: never will. But Rumble like does have the option if
Speaker 2: you're watching on your phone to have like the little
Speaker 2: picture in picture like it stays playing while you're doing yes,
Speaker 2: which is super handy. I appreciate that I can have
Speaker 2: my screen locked and still be listening.
Speaker 1: I noticed that today. I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great, Whereas like you know, YouTube, you gotta
Speaker 2: leave it untouched and open. And you know, when you
Speaker 2: have little kids around, you don't want them hearing like
Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff going.
Speaker 1: On lizard people on pizza Gate.
Speaker 2: They're like, Mommy, what's the illuminati? And they know way
Speaker 2: too much?
Speaker 1: Mommy. Can we go to comment Ping Pong? Or heard
Speaker 1: that place is good pizza donuts?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: No? Am I gonna get a strike now because I
Speaker 1: said that. Yeah, anyways, you said comment Ping Pong, I'm reporting, yeah, to.
Speaker 2: Get both our rumbles, and yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 1: Yes for sure. Like I was saying, definitely check out
Speaker 1: Rumble if you do like lives, I'm doing it quite
Speaker 1: often on there, And like I was even saying before,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think since streaming is on there, I've
Speaker 1: picked up like a hundred more subs. Nice, So I
Speaker 1: think it also helps with the you know, people seeing
Speaker 1: that the show exists. But like I was saying, if
Speaker 1: you don't like YouTube or whatever, rumble, we will be
Speaker 1: streaming live to it. And you know what's funny, Like
Speaker 1: you said, I didn't realize how good. Like this morning,
Speaker 1: I pulled up the player played something. I think. I
Speaker 1: was like checking maybe the live that I did to
Speaker 1: see what the quality looked like. And like I locked
Speaker 1: even locked my phone and I'm going to put it
Speaker 1: in my pocket and like I still hear myself talking
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the fuck? And I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: this ship will I was like, wow, this still plays,
Speaker 1: like even if you lock the phone. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, not a lot of apps do that. No,
Speaker 1: And that is handy, Like if you just want to
Speaker 1: lock your phone, you put it in your pocket, put
Speaker 1: your headphones in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: So definitely check that out. And I'm done rambling about that. Uh,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Teresa. I had u this is
Speaker 1: a great episode to cover. Was really interesting to me,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know again, it really wasn't occultism. I
Speaker 1: just think it's very informed, you know, just information I
Speaker 1: like to put out there totally. You know, it's very
Speaker 1: interesting and I think we all should think about the stuff.
Speaker 1: And yeah, until the next one, everybody be well later