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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Nicole, I am here ready to take people all

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<v Speaker 2>the way till Saturday morning, virtually about eleven fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Brooks is back in the control room at the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Socket, as we say, at Broadcast Central headquarters. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>set to take your phone calls beginning after the nine

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock news. We'll be talking tonight about the now three

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<v Speaker 2>count of three teacher strikes going on north of Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll also talk about some questions about the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 2>and do they need to actually reassess themselves after the

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<v Speaker 2>tough night they had Tuesday night this week. I think

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<v Speaker 2>all of us know what then those numbers are. And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, for you, Nicole Davis Fans, Nicole is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be making a return appearance here at eight

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<v Speaker 2>thirty tonight, and we're going to talk about the teacher

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<v Speaker 2>strikes up in the three communities now north of Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've got a great show lined up for you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think in the eleven o'clock hour tonight, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to give people an opportunity to talk about Veterans

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<v Speaker 2>Day and fewer Americans have ever served in the armed forces,

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<v Speaker 2>and many of us have parents who served during World

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<v Speaker 2>War One, not World War one, World War two Korea

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<v Speaker 2>have family members Vietnam Era, or people who served in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East, either in the nineteen nineties or during

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<v Speaker 2>the long twenty year war that begin as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of nine to eleven. And tonight, let's remember some of

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<v Speaker 2>those names, either people who are passed on or who

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<v Speaker 2>are still with us. We should never forget the sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>that those men and women made so that we as

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<v Speaker 2>a country can actually have free and fear and open

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<v Speaker 2>elections as we have had in this country now for

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<v Speaker 2>nearly two hundred and fifty years. So they say, my

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<v Speaker 2>name is Dan Ray, host of the show here on Nightside,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to start off tonight. It's Novama, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course the election is over. What's the next big

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<v Speaker 2>date on the calendar? For most people, it's Thanksgiving? So

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<v Speaker 2>the question now has become kind of an annual question,

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<v Speaker 2>what topics are Americans preparing to avoid at the dinner

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<v Speaker 2>table this Thanksgiving? With us? Is Steve Bittenbender. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>writer for Bett Massachusetts. I got an idea with Bette Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Steve, But why don't you tell us what bet

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts actually is, and then we'll get to the topic

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<v Speaker 2>at hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, thanks Dan, first offer having me on. Bet Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 3>is a site that provides sports betting news and analysis

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<v Speaker 3>for people who are interested in the latest sports betting news.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, news and analysis about the Bees, the Celts,

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<v Speaker 3>even the Red Sox even though it's off season, or

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<v Speaker 3>the Pats even though they look like they're tanking this year.

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<v Speaker 3>You can get some get some good analysis on them.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also you can you can also get reviews

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<v Speaker 3>of the various legal sports books that are in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're not you're not so. Bett Massachusetts is not

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<v Speaker 2>a betting site per se, but it's a site about

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<v Speaker 2>betting sites and related issues. Okay, very clear, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. Okay. Ten topics to avoid this Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most of us can relate to them. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>go through a few of them. We've always been talking,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not supposed to talk about politics or religion.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got politics and religion right out there. Number

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<v Speaker 2>three relationship statuses. I guess that's why you're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to ask when is Elizabeth going to get married? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't she almost thirty? Five. Now, is that what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about there, or what what's relationship statuses should we avoid?

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<v Speaker 3>That's no, that that's exactly what what we're talking about there, obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And and I'm the and I'm the dad of a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty year old, so I'm not quite there yet. But

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<v Speaker 3>I've got an older brother who has kids a little

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<v Speaker 3>older than my son, and obviously that's something that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you get a little older, you know. And it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just moms and dads that ask a question either, it's uncles,

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<v Speaker 3>it's cousins, grandparents, you know, hey, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>why don't I see a girl around?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, or when you're going to put a ring

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<v Speaker 3>on her? You know, things like that and those you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, relationships are difficult no matter what. Obviously, with

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<v Speaker 3>the holidays being you know, adding to that stress, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>anything that the family can do to kind of alleviate

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<v Speaker 3>some of that stress or not add on to it

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<v Speaker 3>would certainly be helpful from you know, from from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a single person saying, so then.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about people should not talk about family drama.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can understand that. But then you got

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<v Speaker 2>two or three here, which is kind of interesting. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're suggesting that this was a poll that you took,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is this is not scientific, but it's a poll.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you say people should not be talking about gas prices,

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<v Speaker 2>inflation or finances. I assume you mean family finances, personal finances,

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<v Speaker 2>but gas prices inflation. I mean, I kind of imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that at the Thanksgiving dinner table, people aren't gonna say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what that turkey costs us this year compid

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<v Speaker 2>to five years ago, or you know. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>one that I think is almost unavoidable.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And and honestly, I think it also kind of

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<v Speaker 3>ties into politics as well, because what what was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the major talking points of the of the election,

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<v Speaker 3>inflations exactly and how much groceries cost, you know, how

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<v Speaker 3>much it costs you know, they're still up the car.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously, if you've got family that you know, you've

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<v Speaker 3>got family that's you know, inside four ninety five, it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably not that much of an issue. But if you've

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<v Speaker 3>got people coming, you know, from down to Turnpike or

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<v Speaker 3>from you know, across states, you know, it's probably not

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<v Speaker 3>going it's probably going to happen that you know, Man,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe I paid, you know, for something a

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<v Speaker 3>gallon or you know, or I can't believe, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the holidays, the holiday spike, you know, made me spend

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<v Speaker 3>sixty bucks or whatever for a fill up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see what I'm thinking. The advice I've given to

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<v Speaker 2>my listeners always is, look, it's like the elephant in

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<v Speaker 2>the room, you know, because a lot of this is politics.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the elephant in the room. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>where your mega hat, where your Hillary Clinton button, your

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<v Speaker 2>your Vice President Harris button, whatever, It's gonna be there.

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<v Speaker 2>But why don't you tweet each other in a civil fashion?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, don't start throwing drumsticks across the table, you know, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. I would recommend that families, you know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>the wives, the mothers, whoever, you know, people get together

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<v Speaker 3>ahead of time on the phone, through text, whatever and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of create some kind of detente where Okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we know obviously the election, and the election was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be controversial no matter who won, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>that was going to be a divisive top topic whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the fact that it was decisive, though, Steve, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we caught a break there. I think that because

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<v Speaker 2>it was decisive. Boy, can you imagine if it was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>two cents, we three to whatever?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, but even then with it being one sided and

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat shockingly one sided. Yeah, I mean, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>think about the if if the Red Sox were ever

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<v Speaker 3>swept the Yankees in the Alcs or or the or

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<v Speaker 3>the Bruins.

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<v Speaker 2>Can he be like maybe coming down from behind three

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<v Speaker 2>games to none or something like that. Yeah, something like

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<v Speaker 2>that that never happen, not in your life or.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly well, and I'll be honest, but we've got to

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<v Speaker 2>See, I think we got to be adults and we

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<v Speaker 2>got to say, look, you know, it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wouldn't necessarily bring up something like the

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<v Speaker 2>Ukrainian War because no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>And right, And that's why I'm saying, Dan, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you know, if you can kind of establish some

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<v Speaker 3>ground rules ahead of the game and just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>reinforce them and you know, you know, make small talk,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, talk about you know, how great you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how great the Turkey is this year, or for our

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<v Speaker 3>beating friends, how great the to Turkey is this year?

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<v Speaker 2>That tough you know, talk about I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing that we should do. Here's we should do. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe here's the deal. Maybe what everybody should do is

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<v Speaker 2>have a yellow flag in their pocket. Okay, and so

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<v Speaker 2>if someone brings up a topic that makes anyone uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>you throw the yellow flag, you know, instead of a

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen yard penalty five minutes in the living room by yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's I don't know, Yeah, that would be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, Steve Bittenbender, Turkey Day topics you should

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<v Speaker 2>avoid from the website, Bett, Massachusetts. Steve, thanks very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you taking the time as a fun conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I. If we had turkey dinner Thanksgiving Day,

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<v Speaker 2>we could have fun with this. But again, it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of one of those things where I think you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to be broadcast professionals before you try to don't try.

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<v Speaker 3>This at home, exactly, exactly, leave the hot takes at home.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it, You got it right, break, bring the

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<v Speaker 2>hot cakes, not the hot takes.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Steve, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking again. Appreciated very much. We come back when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the wild West of weight loss drugs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people out there figured out that this

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<v Speaker 2>ozempic does more for them, including losing weight and people

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be it's a little dangerous. We'll explain right

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<v Speaker 2>after this on night Side. It is a Friday, heading

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<v Speaker 2>toward the weekend. I am. I am relaxed, ready for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days rest, and I hope you are

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Be back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think all of you know that with Awaken

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<v Speaker 2>one to eighty weight loss loss, I lost thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>pounds nine years ago the right way and I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>put a pound back on now. Part of it is

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<v Speaker 2>I learned how to eat a little better. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the gym five six days a week and I'm doing okay.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people, however, have been taking some drugs

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<v Speaker 2>which are not for weight loss, but for example o zempic,

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<v Speaker 2>and these drugs are being found to have some adverse

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<v Speaker 2>side effects. With us, we're delighted to be welcomed, but

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<v Speaker 2>we had delighted to welcome. I should say my guest

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Swathi varunas Dias, Doctor Swathy, I'll keep it still.

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<v Speaker 2>They tell me if that's okay with you, Yeah, that perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Nightside. How are you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm great, Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is an important topic here because obviously losing

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<v Speaker 2>weight can be tough. But I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad I lost thirty five pounds nine years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are people out there trying to do it

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<v Speaker 2>the easy way and explain to us what they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>and why it's harmful in the long run.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so people, it's the big fag right now to

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<v Speaker 4>be taking GLP one agonists. So these are prescription medications

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<v Speaker 4>also known as ozembic or wago v mondro. There are

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<v Speaker 4>quite a different There are quite a few different branded

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<v Speaker 4>medications out there right now. And see they are FDA

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<v Speaker 4>people who have a BMI of twenty seven plus other conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait twenty but if I know a little bit about this,

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<v Speaker 2>a BMI twenty seven plus that is not all that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so.

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<v Speaker 4>That's considered quote unquote overweight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not considered obese.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not considered obese exactly. So that is one category.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you have a BMI of twenty seven plus,

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<v Speaker 4>any other chronic disease. And then the other subcategory that

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<v Speaker 4>and ozempic are the same active ingredient, but ozempic is

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<v Speaker 4>actually only FDA approved for type two diabetes. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about GLP one agonist themselves. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think when it comes to you know, the use of them,

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<v Speaker 2>Now is ozempic correct? You know, help me out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Is ozempic prescription based or over the counter?

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<v Speaker 4>So ozembic and would go be all of these medications

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<v Speaker 4>in this particular drug class of GLP one agnes, all

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So who are the docs that are writing these

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<v Speaker 2>are the people getting these drugs if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you. I'm assuming if a doctor writes a prescription,

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<v Speaker 2>Who are the people who are popa nozempics? And are

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<v Speaker 2>who are poping ozempics? Is it doctors or are they

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<v Speaker 2>getting you some pills on the side from their friends?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a black market here on this? What's going on? So?

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<v Speaker 4>for now. And the reason I say that is because

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<v Speaker 4>physicians are the one So whether they're healthcare providers, physicians

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<v Speaker 4>for patients, and it is f to approved for specific

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<v Speaker 4>use cases. Again, if you fall within those BMI ranges

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<v Speaker 4>that you have type two diabetes, are looking to lose

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<v Speaker 4>weight safely. However, a lot of the issue is actually

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<v Speaker 4>with this off label use. Off label use means that

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<v Speaker 4>you know you don't fall within those populations, but your

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<v Speaker 4>physician is still writing that you know, that prescription for.

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<v Speaker 2>You, So why would a physician do that? I understand

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<v Speaker 2>that occasionally there are drugs that can be used off labels.

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<v Speaker 4>Safely, So a position would considered yeah, doing that because

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you a tougher question. When some physicians

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<v Speaker 2>prescriptions as possible. There is ozembic. Are these type companies

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<v Speaker 2>Are they in any way, shape or form encouraging physicians

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<v Speaker 4>I think they're not necessarily inducing or manipulating physicians. But

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<v Speaker 4>that being said, you know when the physicians way back

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<v Speaker 4>when when you were talking about these addictive medications, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't know they were addictive initially, at least not

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<v Speaker 4>the same is the case for these medications. For these

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you it's it's the idea of losing

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<v Speaker 2>weight is something that obviously is attractive, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>this health benefits to it. But I hope that people

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<v Speaker 2>listen to you on this subject. How did you get involved?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this seems to me to be an issue

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<v Speaker 2>that you are very concerned about. What got you involved?

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<v Speaker 2>Are concerned about this?

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<v Speaker 4>So what really got me concerned is just as a

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<v Speaker 4>healthcare professional seeing the number of people on these medications

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<v Speaker 4>but them not realizing that, you know, everyone is not

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<v Speaker 4>be the magic bullet as I mentioned before. And then

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<v Speaker 4>also that there aren't side effects. There are some really

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<v Speaker 4>potentially big risks associated like gastrointestinal issues or stomach issues

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<v Speaker 4>or excess a fatigue. And then also as people are

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<v Speaker 4>losing weight, what's not discussed often enough in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 4>is that people are losing weight. Yes, of course, but

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<v Speaker 4>they are losing fat and losing muscle. So this accelerated

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<v Speaker 4>muscle loss, which muscle is so linked to longevity and aging,

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<v Speaker 4>well that that can really get in the way of

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've really enjoyed this conversation because I've read a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about this. I know the a fraction of all

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, and you have increased my knowledge on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hopefully my audience as well. So, uh, doctor Swathy,

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<v Speaker 2>but runasi dias. I hope I got fairly close to

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<v Speaker 2>the pronunciation of your full name.

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<v Speaker 5>But doctor Swathy, Yes, yeah, And if patients are interested

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<v Speaker 5>in learning more, I recommend you know a combina of

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<v Speaker 5>nutritional intervention, so thinking about how you're eating healthy, high protein,

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<v Speaker 4>About what sort of exercise that you're doing, so incorporating

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's great. Is there a website that people could

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<v Speaker 2>be in touch with you on. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>have you give out a website and have twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>people contacting you unnecessarily. Is there a book that you

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<v Speaker 2>may have written recently? A lot of folks come on

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<v Speaker 2>the program and they're trying to get the word out

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<v Speaker 2>in some form of fashion. Is there any other way

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<v Speaker 2>that did you'd like to people that have access to

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<v Speaker 2>you other than our interview.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely so. I'm most active on LinkedIn. You can just

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<v Speaker 4>search my name and you'll be able to find it there.

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<v Speaker 4>I conduct webinars for everyone that are free on longevity

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<v Speaker 4>and muscle health. And also you can find studies and

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<v Speaker 4>different information about preserving muscle when you're using GLP ones

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<v Speaker 4>at maos MD dot com. So that's m yo SMD

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<v Speaker 4>dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>And is that your website?

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<v Speaker 4>That is not my website, but I am a scientific

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<v Speaker 2>Mayos MD dot com. Yes, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>your time tonight, and hope you have a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much, Artie, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 4>shing you the same. Bybye.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit after eight thirty, so we get

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<v Speaker 2>the news, and of course the top news story here

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts tonight, or one of the lead stories tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>is the teachers strike, three of them now ongoing which

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<v Speaker 2>include Beverly, Gloucester and Marblehead, and we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the news break at the

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<v Speaker 2>Boy you just heard Nicole filing the news at the

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<v Speaker 6>Quickly, boyar, my arm's tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this has been kind of interesting. I did not

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<v Speaker 2>with listeners at nine o'clock, particularly folks who live up

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<v Speaker 2>in the north show. So we have three school departments, Beverly,

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<v Speaker 2>Gloucester and now Marblehead joining this strike. I find it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of interesting that the three of them kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a close geographic proximity. Looks like there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of coordination going on. I'm sure there's no proof of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but are you surprised that we have these three that

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden are on the picket line in

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<v Speaker 6>I mean I don't obviously know the ins and outs

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<v Speaker 6>all three of these unions have been working to get

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<v Speaker 6>geographically they're so close, they've probably been talking and and

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<v Speaker 6>also sharing information and sharing maybe strategy. Again, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, I totally, I totally understand that it

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<v Speaker 2>was funny. I remember last winter there was the big

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<v Speaker 2>the teacher unions, just as police and fire unions, are

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<v Speaker 2>not supposed to strike here in Massachusetts. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty costly for the Newton Teachers Association, but very much. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess there's judges involved, at least in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of these strikes. Maybe not in the Marblehead one that

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<v Speaker 2>happened late today. It's an interesting dynamic, you know, one

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<v Speaker 2>of those stories that that we're gonna have to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>It also comes on the heel of the ballot question,

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<v Speaker 2>ballot question two, which removed the MCST test as a

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<v Speaker 2>qualification for graduation. Yeah, that's right, and the teachers' unions

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<v Speaker 2>were the Mass Teachers Association was very much involved in that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about it. People don't think sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>about the secondary impact. Come Tuesday morning. Moms and dads

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, single parents are going to have to

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<v Speaker 6>And childcare and all that. And the teacher the school

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<v Speaker 6>You have until Monday, I believe it, excuse me ten

420
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<v Speaker 6>am to essentially stop the strike, and then Tuesday to

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<v Speaker 6>file with the state that you have stopped this strike.

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<v Speaker 6>It's different from Marblehead because again, they just voted to

423
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<v Speaker 6>get this going. They just approved this. Ninety nine percent

424
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<v Speaker 6>of the teachers in the union approve this today and

425
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<v Speaker 6>they say they're not going to start their strike until Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 6>But there's a caveat to that. They say, if we

427
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<v Speaker 6>can come to a deal on Monday night, we're just

428
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<v Speaker 6>gonna go back to work. And you know, nothing's happened.

429
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<v Speaker 6>So they are saying, look, you've got the weekend, we're

430
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<v Speaker 6>going to bargain. We're here, we're ready. So let's see

431
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<v Speaker 6>what we can do by Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's Glocester.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's Marblehead.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sorry, Marvel.

435
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<v Speaker 6>I know it's a lot. There's somebody moving forward.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Right Marvelhead. Is the late is the late one the latest? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

437
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<v Speaker 2>it's the strategy here is interesting. The other thing which

438
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<v Speaker 2>I've never understood, and I've covered when I was in TV,

439
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I covered these teacher strikes or threats of teacher strikes

440
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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. It always seems that they always

441
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<v Speaker 2>happen just when the school year starts, and now it's

442
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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the school year. I don't understand why

443
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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff isn't ironed out. I don't understand why

444
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<v Speaker 2>they get to a point where there's no contract resolution

445
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<v Speaker 2>that I don't know. Do you know offhand if any

446
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<v Speaker 2>of these school districts have been working without a contract.

447
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<v Speaker 2>I assume they're currently all without contract.

448
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they're all without contracts. I believe at least six

449
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<v Speaker 6>months for all of them. And you know in this

450
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<v Speaker 6>new letter from Gloucester they said, look, we tried to

451
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<v Speaker 6>bargain over the summer. The union didn't want to bargain.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't have the time right now, to look up

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<v Speaker 6>and see if that's actually true or see the union

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<v Speaker 6>side on that. But you know, with all of these

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<v Speaker 6>different unions, their arguments are, look, we've been at this

456
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<v Speaker 6>for months. They all claim that the argument or that

457
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<v Speaker 6>the talks are essentially stalled out, and they say, look,

458
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<v Speaker 6>this is kind of like our last ditch effort to

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<v Speaker 6>get you to come to the table and work with

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<v Speaker 6>us here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again my sense and probably the union will not

462
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<v Speaker 2>happy when I say this, but I feel like the

463
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<v Speaker 2>kids are the pawns in the middle of this. The

464
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<v Speaker 2>teacher it's generally it's about money, which most union negotiations

465
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<v Speaker 2>are going to be about money, but it's always shrouded

466
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<v Speaker 2>in the in the conversation about you know, we want

467
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<v Speaker 2>to do this to protect the children. And I get

468
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<v Speaker 2>all of that, but it's it's tough. I've never been

469
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<v Speaker 2>a teacher, so I've never been in their shoes. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more sympathetic to the plight of the parents, particularly

471
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<v Speaker 2>when all of a sudden they got a screen and

472
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the back in the good old days, as

473
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<v Speaker 2>we used to say, Nicole, you'd have you know, odds

474
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<v Speaker 2>living down the street or a grand mile of an

475
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<v Speaker 2>upstairs and everything. You know that that nuclear family was

476
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 2>always pretty close. It's a little different today, and I

477
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<v Speaker 2>think it's tougher on young parents, parents who have kids

478
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<v Speaker 2>these days than it might have been when you and

479
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<v Speaker 2>I back in the Dark Ages. Well at least I

480
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 2>was in the Dark Ages.

481
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<v Speaker 6>I was slightly darker.

482
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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no, no, you were lighter. Yeah.

483
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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have electricity or anything like that.

484
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<v Speaker 6>I just had to luck my water uphill both ways

485
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<v Speaker 6>with the bags on my feet in the snowstorm. Yes,

486
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<v Speaker 6>of course, you know what. I what I was interesting

487
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<v Speaker 6>to me though. I'm reading through a statement that we

488
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<v Speaker 6>got today from Marblehead from the Union here, and what

489
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<v Speaker 6>a big sticking point for them is salaries for para professionals.

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<v Speaker 6>These are the people who work with the kids who

491
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<v Speaker 6>have i epes, And they say the starting salary for

492
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<v Speaker 6>kindergarten para professionals in marble Head is eighteen three hundred

493
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<v Speaker 6>and thirty eight dollars, and tutors only earned twenty seven

494
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.880
<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars a year. So that's their big thing. They say, look,

495
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.640
<v Speaker 6>we are not making enough money to live and as

496
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 6>teachers and paras who have all these different hands and

497
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.680
<v Speaker 6>all these different classes and working with all these different kids.

498
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<v Speaker 6>That's their big thing right now in Marblehead.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a big part of the strike in Newton

500
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 2>because the Newton teachers were averaging about ninety two thousand

501
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>dollars a year. That's the average, Okay, so obviously a

502
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 2>younger teacher might have been in sixty or seventy, and

503
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a more experienced teacher could be well over one hundred. Sure,

504
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the Department of Education actually has a website where they

505
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<v Speaker 2>post the salaries and the salary structure of every public

506
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<v Speaker 2>school you know in Massachusetts, and I relied on that

507
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>quite heavily. It was the Department of Education website, all

508
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>public record. And the union was white upset because they say, well,

509
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<v Speaker 2>you're saying that the average teacher makes ninety five thousand dollars.

510
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<v Speaker 2>I'm a second year teacher and I'm only making seventy

511
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<v Speaker 2>four thousand dollars. Well that's what average is about, exactly.

512
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<v Speaker 2>And there was a lot it was well, we're not

513
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<v Speaker 2>concerned about us, We're concerned about the pair of professionals.

514
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<v Speaker 2>But the negotiations always involves not only the pair of

515
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 2>professionals who clearly are underpaid. You're making eighteen or twenty

516
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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a.

517
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<v Speaker 6>Year, right, which is in this economy, in this state,

518
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 6>one of the highest cost of livings anywhere in the country.

519
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 2>No question, no question. Yeah, but I've yet to harry

520
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:35.880
<v Speaker 2>you have a union say well, our teachers have played

521
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 2>paid close to six figures. They're okay, we're going to

522
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 2>go on strike just to boost the pair of legals.

523
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<v Speaker 2>Because what happens is generally the increase goes across the

524
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<v Speaker 2>board and the pair of leaguers get a little bit

525
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 2>of a jump, and the teachers get a pretty good

526
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 2>size jump. So I know the teachers unions will not

527
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<v Speaker 2>be happy with what I'm going to talk about at

528
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock.

529
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<v Speaker 6>That's between you and the teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. That's that's why I didn't want to drag

531
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.079
<v Speaker 2>you in on this. But I thank you for bringing

532
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 2>that information to of course always and I hope you

533
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:07.920
<v Speaker 2>have a great weekend, okay.

534
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 6>You as well. I hope you enjoy your time and

535
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 6>bundle up. It's actually going to feel like fall, believe.

536
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I heard. Yeah, it's going to feel

537
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>like early now. I think I think we can handle

538
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:17.880
<v Speaker 2>it at this point.

539
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.759
<v Speaker 6>And so yeah, I think we're good, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Would some of us probably be looking for a little

541
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.599
<v Speaker 2>bit of a taste of November before we get past.

542
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 6>I just want like a little fall before we get

543
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 6>snacked with like February gray snow.

544
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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember, just just getting off topic, and because

545
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this, Yeah, about ten years ago, we had

546
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 2>a huge snowstorm, snowstorm, yes, do you remember that? I

547
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't imagine it right.

548
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<v Speaker 6>I think it's the winter of twenty fifteen when we

549
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<v Speaker 6>had the famed Marty Walsh Loon Mountain quote, when we

550
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.759
<v Speaker 6>were getting like what a foot of snow every Monday.

551
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 6>I think that was for about ten or twelve weeks.

552
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>You remember that, that that one. I know very well

553
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 2>that that.

554
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<v Speaker 6>Was the same year, wasn't it.

555
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.279
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no no. I guarantee you that

556
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>because that year of twenty fourteen to twenty fifteen, there

557
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:08.119
<v Speaker 2>was no snow all throughout November. You know, we don't

558
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.160
<v Speaker 2>get much snow in November anyway, nothing in December, and

559
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 2>there was virtually now there might have been something in

560
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the mountains, but nothing. And then it started to snow

561
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.839
<v Speaker 2>about January twentieth, and it didn't stop for about seven

562
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.279
<v Speaker 2>or eight weeks and we ended up with about one

563
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.359
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty inches of snow in that five or

564
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>six week period, which was extraordinary. But there was a year,

565
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 2>and I think it was a few years before that,

566
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>where we had a big snowstorm on Halloween, I mean

567
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.759
<v Speaker 2>a real big snowstorm, accumulation and all that, and we

568
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>never had another bit of snow for the rest of

569
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<v Speaker 2>the winter. It was the weird one of the It

570
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>was as weird as that, And it might have been

571
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.559
<v Speaker 2>the winter before, because the winter before we were croaked

572
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 2>with snow. The winter of twenty fourteen and into twenty fifteen.

573
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<v Speaker 2>The winter before that, which would have been twenty thirteen

574
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<v Speaker 2>and twenty fourteen the Atlantic region Maryland, Virginia, we didn't

575
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<v Speaker 2>get much snow and they got snow.

576
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 6>All that's all right. I'd forgotten about that. It all

577
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 6>kind of blends.

578
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>After saying it does blend.

579
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 6>I'll never forget twenty fifteen when I could have jumped

580
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.160
<v Speaker 6>out my window like Loon Mountain, but I didn't.

581
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you what I did when I jumped

582
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 2>out my window onto my we have a flat roof, yeah,

583
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>a porch. I was up. I got out, I went out.

584
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to clear the snow. Sure, I was up

585
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.039
<v Speaker 2>to my chest and snow wow. And at that point

586
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 2>I started to shovel and there was really nowhere to

587
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>push it, and I thought, if I fall over here,

588
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:31.559
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to find me till June.

589
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.240
<v Speaker 6>I'd like that back of the no dial that was

590
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 6>the seaport. You remember how it didn't melt till literally

591
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 6>June or July that year. Yes, it would have found

592
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 6>you eventually.

593
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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you so much. We will talk soon. Okay,

594
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 2>thank you for the best.

595
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<v Speaker 6>Of course, you too, have a good weekend.

596
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<v Speaker 2>All right, coming back here on Nightside, we have one

597
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<v Speaker 2>more guest to talk with and then we will move

598
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 2>on to UH to give you an opportunity to talk

599
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 2>about some of these issues. We're going to talk about

600
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 2>a serious issue, and that is early signs of dementia

601
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 2>sadly show up in people's finances. So you may want

602
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 2>to take a look at your parents' checkbooks and their

603
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>bills they taking care of business, because that can be

604
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 2>an early sign. We'll talk with a lead author of

605
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 2>this study out of John Hopkins School of Public Health,

606
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 2>a study back on Nightside.

607
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<v Speaker 1>Right after this, Now back to Dan way live from

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<v Speaker 1>the Window World to night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We are delighted to welcome doctor Laurence Nicholas. She is

610
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<v Speaker 2>the lead author of a study at the John Hopkins

611
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<v Speaker 2>School of Public Health that found that older adults with

612
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<v Speaker 2>dementia exhibit financial symptoms up to six years before diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a frightening study but so critically important. Doctor Nicholas,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Nightside. Thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for having me so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>How this study evolved, but tell us a little bit

617
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<v Speaker 2>of the background. Someone must have said, Hey, how did

618
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<v Speaker 2>you get to get to even investigating this a very

619
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<v Speaker 2>novel approach to early signs of dementia.

620
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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think we started with the same motivation you mentioned,

621
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<v Speaker 7>sort of hearing these very frightening stories where family members

622
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<v Speaker 7>were finding out that one of their loved ones had

623
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<v Speaker 7>dementia because one of these catastrophic financial events had happened.

624
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<v Speaker 7>So things like a person would stop paying their mortgage

625
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<v Speaker 7>in the house would be foreclosed on, and family members

626
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<v Speaker 7>would find out that the forgetting to pay the mortgage

627
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:47.480
<v Speaker 7>was some of the signs of impaired financial capacity that

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<v Speaker 7>we know our early warning signs of dementia, and so,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, you hear some of these scary stories, and

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<v Speaker 7>it got us thinking, you know, how common is that actually,

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<v Speaker 7>and could we see it in some large data sets

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<v Speaker 7>that might give us better avenues of doing better detection

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<v Speaker 7>down the line. And so we put together a large

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<v Speaker 7>data set that included information from credit reports, which are

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<v Speaker 7>basically measures of whether you're paying back money that you're owed,

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<v Speaker 7>things like mortgages and credit card bills, and that allowed

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<v Speaker 7>we matched that with healthcare data so that we were

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<v Speaker 7>able to sort of plot out what happens to people's

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<v Speaker 7>financial trajectories as they get closer to a dementia diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>And how do children adult children who might be concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about mom or dad, how did they I guess, ask

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<v Speaker 2>this question or pry maybe it's a question that they're

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable asking. How did they say, Hey, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you keeping up the data on your bills? How

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<v Speaker 2>do you bring that up to find out if there's

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<v Speaker 2>some early indications of a problem.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think it's a very sensitive topic and can

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<v Speaker 7>be a difficult conversation to have. So we've heard some

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<v Speaker 7>stories of you know, adult children actually see bills getting

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<v Speaker 7>sent to the home with that, say like final notice

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<v Speaker 7>overdue payments. This is getting harder to do as more

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<v Speaker 7>and more of us receive all our bills electronically and

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<v Speaker 7>you don't get those telltale signs. There are services that

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<v Speaker 7>you can sign up for that will help do some

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<v Speaker 7>of this monitoring for you. Also, policy changes have required

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<v Speaker 7>all banks to give everyone the opportunity to put a

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<v Speaker 7>Trusted Content Act onto their account. Who would be contacted

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<v Speaker 7>if you know, there's a suspicious transaction request or your

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<v Speaker 7>suddenly missing payments. But it does sort of put the

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<v Speaker 7>responsibility on the person who may become cognitively impaired in

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<v Speaker 7>the future. And I have to say, you know, the

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<v Speaker 7>longer we do this research and we've you know, seen

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<v Speaker 7>similar patterns looking at wealth data as well, where these

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<v Speaker 7>financial losses just happen years and years before any of

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<v Speaker 7>the other cognitive signs of dementia. I'm increasingly thinking about

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<v Speaker 7>it as you know, if we if we live long enough,

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<v Speaker 7>this is almost certainly in any of our futures, and

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<v Speaker 7>so putting some plans in place in advance to sort

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<v Speaker 7>of protect us.

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<v Speaker 2>Ourself scams. You know, we used to we used to

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<v Speaker 2>laugh about the the prince who is who was looking

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<v Speaker 2>for money? But it's it's not a laughing matter anymore

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<v Speaker 2>because they're much more sophisticated the scams that are recurring

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<v Speaker 2>these days. And I look where all of us can

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<v Speaker 2>be impacted either by our parents. If we're lucky enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have our parents around, we have to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>look out for them. The role reversal occurs where they

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<v Speaker 2>used to look out for us, now we have to

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<v Speaker 2>look out for them. And of course, as we ourselves age,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be willing to allow our children to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of take if they're willing to take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at how we're handling our finances. It's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>frightening it's a frightening part of getting older. And everyone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to live along in a full life. But those

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<v Speaker 2>those so called golden years oftentimes aren't as golden as

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<v Speaker 2>people think they as they're told they're going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put it like that, doctor, I so appreciate you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing this stuff. Can people get access to a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of the Reporter? Is there an article maybe that that

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<v Speaker 2>is publicly available that you could refer my listeners to

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to follow up and read it more

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<v Speaker 2>In depth.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, our study was funded by the National Institute on

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<v Speaker 7>Aging and so they make the research available free of charge.

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<v Speaker 7>And we can send you a link so that it's

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<v Speaker 7>easiest to find on your website.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure the link, I'll copy you down. What's the link?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh gosh, have it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Yeah, okay, send that to my producer. Have your

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<v Speaker 2>folks send that, Lind to my producer and I can

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<v Speaker 2>mention it perhaps Monday night so people have access to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to catch you unaware there, but thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for all your information, doctor Laura and Nicholas. You've

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<v Speaker 2>certainly given people a lot to think about and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about maybe this weekend or this Thanksgiving over the dinner tables.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. I appreciate your time so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, thanks so much for calling attention to this important

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<v Speaker 7>issue and hopefully, like you said, giving everyone someplace talk

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<v Speaker 7>to you over the things giving table.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're absolutely right. Thanks, doctor Nicholas, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>teacher this spate of teacher strikes that now have popped

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<v Speaker 2>up here like a I'm not even sure what sort

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<v Speaker 2>of flowers come up in the fall, but boom. We

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<v Speaker 2>got three teacher strikes going on, maybe there'll be some more.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about it on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the nine o'clock news here on a Friday night

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<v Speaker 2>edition of Nightside, and later on we'll talk about some

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<v Speaker 2>comments that Congressman Seth Molten made which has created a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a firestorm within the Democratic Party. That'll be

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<v Speaker 2>at ten o'clock, and then at eleven tonight we'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you a chance to do a tribute to someone in

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<v Speaker 2>your family or some friend of yours who served in

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<v Speaker 2>the military and we can acknowledge their service. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside right after this quick newscast at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the hour.