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True Murder with your host, 30 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:48.079 journalist and author Dan Zufanski, Good Evening. 31 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.799 This is a study of the brutal torture and murder 32 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.400 of the author's brother and his longtime girlfriend forty years ago. 33 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.120 In July nineteen seventy eight, two bodies were found in 34 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.319 the sea off the coast of Guatemala and proved to 35 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:07.640 be the remains of Chris Farmer and Peter Frampton, respectively, 36 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:11.840 a medical graduate and a law graduate, aged twenty five 37 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:15.599 and twenty four from Greater Manchester. They had been beaten, 38 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:19.319 tortured and killed, their bodies weighted down and dumped in 39 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:20.960 the sea from the yacht in which they had been 40 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.000 crewing for nearly forty years. No one has charged with 41 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.840 these savage murders, even though the name of the yacht, 42 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:32.759 the Justin b and its owner, an American named Silas Boston, 43 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.080 were known. But this is also the story of how 44 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:40.199 Chris's sister, Penny Farmer, and her family tracked down the 45 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.439 killer and assembled the evidence against him, until eventually, in 46 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:48.520 December twenty sixteen, Boston was arrested in the United States 47 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.960 and charged with two counts of maritime murder. He pleaded 48 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:55.400 not guilty. But among the evidence that Chris Farmer's family, 49 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.199 aided by police forces in both the UK and the 50 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:02.759 United States as well the FBI, had so patiently collected, 51 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.800 was the eyewitness testimony of one of Boston's two sons, 52 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.639 who aged thirteen and twelve, had been present when the 53 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:16.840 murders took place. Regrettably, Boston will now never face justice, 54 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.879 for he effectively took his own life in prison in 55 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:24.599 April twenty seventeen. But for the families of Chris and Pete, 56 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.759 they have at least as satisfaction in knowing that, through 57 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.680 their own efforts over many years, their killer did not 58 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:36.080 escape being made to face his crimes. The book you 59 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.439 were featuring this evening is Dead in the Water, Bringing 60 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:44.120 down My Brother's Keeper after thirty nine years on the run. 61 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.520 My special guest journalist and author all the way from 62 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.680 the United Kingdom, Penny Farmer, thank you very much for 63 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.319 a Greenness interview and welcome to the program. Penny Farmer, 64 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:02.800 thank you very much, thank you, thank you. Let's start 65 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.360 off because we have so much to cover in this 66 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:12.000 incredible tale, much much stranger than fiction. Let's talk about 67 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.599 your family, your mum Audrey, and your dad Charles, your 68 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:18.680 brother Nigel, and then your brother Chris. Tell us a 69 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:22.160 little bit about your family in nineteen seventy eight. How 70 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.600 old were you. Tell us a little bit about where 71 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.000 your family lived. Tell us a little bit about your 72 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.240 life with your brother Chris Farmer. 73 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.079 Okay, we were quite an ordinary family really that we were. 74 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:39.720 There were the three of us and mum and dad, 75 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:43.360 and we grew up in a suburb of Manchester called Chiltern, 76 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:47.240 which really doesn't have much to recommend it, but apart 77 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.879 from the fact that it's where the Beg's came from 78 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:56.000 and the monkeys, you know, it was quite a happening 79 00:04:56.120 --> 00:05:01.319 time music wise, the jo which best that the footballer 80 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:06.199 came from Manchester, So yes, in that respect it was 81 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.879 a happening place. But Chorlton, the suburb where we grew up, 82 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:14.079 was pretty sort of quiet and a sleepy, sort of little, 83 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:19.879 you know, sort of town. But my brother, my two 84 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:25.519 brothers were older than me, I was seventeen when Chris went. 85 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.199 He was a medical student, and he and Peter had 86 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.360 started dating when they were aged fourteen. They were childhood 87 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:37.480 sweethearts and she literally lived opposite us in the same road. 88 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.439 And whereas a lot of relationships tend to fall by 89 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:47.879 the wayside, there's lasted and Chris turned down Oxbridge Cambridge 90 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.480 and Oxford University to go to a university which she 91 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.639 could get into as well, So I mean that that 92 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:59.920 was a measure of the strength of their relationship. So yeah, 93 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:04.639 you know, it was a fairly normal upbringing. Really, My 94 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:11.480 older brother was another eight years older than me, but yeah, 95 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.639 it was, you know, a good, happy family. We loved 96 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:20.759 sailing and going on seaside holidays every year to a 97 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:25.480 place called Anglesey, which is just off Whales, and yeah, 98 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:27.560 it was a very happy upbringing. 99 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:33.720 You talked about your father being in working for the BBC, 100 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.639 and also that it was very very good time, very 101 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.240 good family life that you had. Also that you went 102 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:45.879 to this family holidays on the island of Anglesey, but 103 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.720 there was this love of fishing and sailing and also Chris, 104 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:54.639 you talk about the happening Manchester in the sixties. Tell 105 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.040 us about Chris's character in particular, not only did he 106 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:02.279 like sailing and fishing, but he had his mind set up, 107 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.920 you say, at ten years old what he wanted to 108 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:07.519 do in his life. So tell us a little bit 109 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:10.240 more about Chris specifically and some of the things that 110 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:11.319 made up his character. 111 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.439 Yeah, I mean he was. He was quite a character, 112 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:18.439 quite quite a big character. I mean that one of 113 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.199 the nicest things about writing the book has been the 114 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.879 number of friends of his that, some of which we 115 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.519 didn't even know from his you know, university days, have 116 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.199 come forward and given us, you know, that their accounts 117 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.920 and memories of him. And one thing that just really 118 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.399 strikes me, I mean we always knew that, you know, 119 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:41.199 he was a very you know, outgoing, you know, a 120 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.600 big personality. I mean what one of his friends described 121 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:48.199 him as probably you know, the biggest character in their university. Yea, 122 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:53.839 the most charming, the most charismatic. But at the same time, 123 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.360 he was a very dedicated doctor, junior doctor. You know, 124 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:04.079 he was you know, absolutely driven to becoming He wanted 125 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:09.879 to become a surgeon. He was very trusting, probably you know, 126 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:15.360 perhaps too trusting in retrospect, although no, I don't think so, 127 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.519 actually because well, we'll go on to the store with 128 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.759 the development of the story. But yeah, he was just 129 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.759 a really kind soul, as was Peter. You know that 130 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.800 they were just two very decent human beings. Chris was, 131 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.720 you know, a colorful character, very very popular, and they 132 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.919 had friends from all walks of life, not just from 133 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.440 medicine and from law. You know, they you know that 134 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.120 they just made friends very easily, and when they went 135 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:49.039 to university they were quite well known for having parties 136 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:51.679 and you know, a wide circle of friends. 137 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.759 Go to nineteen seventy eight and talk about their love 138 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.200 of travel, both of them, and they have an opportunity 139 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:04.080 through this after hours medical service in Brisbane, Brisbane, Australia 140 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:09.159 and the recruiting British doctors for three month contracts. Tell 141 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.799 us what Peter and Chris's plan, your brother's plan was, 142 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:18.000 which included this trip to Brisbane. 143 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.720 Okay, Yeah, they had always enjoyed traveling and had gone 144 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:28.559 to Morocco and various places in Europe. You know, you know, 145 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:30.919 when when they were at university, and indeed during their 146 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.879 school years and obviously doing medicine law that they're pretty 147 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.879 lengthy periods of study. So they'd always have held this 148 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.200 joint ambition of traveling for for around about a year, 149 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:49.600 and this job offer came up in Australia, uh in 150 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:53.840 Brisbane and along the Golden Coasts down there too, for 151 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:57.559 Chris to do this after our medical work. So they 152 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:01.600 went over and they spent about six months over there, 153 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:06.840 really enjoying the outdoor lifestyle and you know, sailing again 154 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:12.320 and fishing and swimming. And Peter got a job, just 155 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:16.480 a sort of menial secretarial job whilst Chris worked out 156 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:21.840 of our you know, a medical job, and by all accounts, 157 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.080 you know that they kept in such good contact with us. 158 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:28.480 They they wrote well, Peter wrote very long, very very 159 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:32.000 descriptive letters back home to her mother, and Chris always 160 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:36.159 kept in touch by sending cassette tapes that he'd recorded 161 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:38.519 and sending those back to so, you know, I don't 162 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.879 think there was a week that went by where we 163 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.720 didn't actually hear from one of them. So, you know, 164 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.720 we got a very good idea of what they were 165 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.360 they were doing, and it was just good to keep 166 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:50.120 in touch with them. 167 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.679 Right now, there was a there was a plan to 168 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:00.399 start traveling down through Mexico and explore some islands, and 169 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:05.919 they had gone to Caledonia and Fiji and and they 170 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.559 wanted to look at some explore me and and Aztec 171 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.159 ruins in Mexico. So tell us about this plan to 172 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:13.600 travel into Mexico. 173 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.960 So yeah, so they landed in Los Angeles and didn't 174 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:25.799 really like the the city, the urban you know side 175 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.080 of Los Angeles, and decided they wanted to get out 176 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.399 and go south of the border. So they got a 177 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.159 coach I think they hired a car down to the border, 178 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.840 and then they got a coach down to Wahaka and 179 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:40.960 they spent a good couple of weeks looking around the 180 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:47.480 the Azpet ruins and you know, the or the historical sites. 181 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.000 But then they met a couple who had been you know, 182 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.559 because they loved the sea and the outdoorsy life. This 183 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.879 couple had said that there was a great barrier reef 184 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.360 on you know, skirting the belief the and border, and 185 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:06.440 had recommended to them to go there. So their plans changed. 186 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:10.440 And one of the notable features of the case is that, 187 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:12.879 you know, it was just literally that they were changing 188 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:17.000 their plans day by day, and you know, you sort 189 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.000 of you know, you read the story anythink, oh, my goodness, 190 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.399 if only they hadn't done that. You know, it's literally 191 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.519 hours away from from them changing their plans or being 192 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:29.639 a very different outcome. 193 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.120 You talk about the extensive letters, that long letters that 194 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.120 Peter sent to her mother Sammy, and this one was 195 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.960 June sixth, nineteen seventy eight. What as you mentioned, they 196 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.120 said that they were on their way to Belize and 197 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.320 they had stopped in Chechimo on the east coast of 198 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:55.559 Yucatan Peninsula peninsula. But tell us what else they said 199 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:56.519 in that letter. 200 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:04.960 They've met some British soldiers and that they'd spent the 201 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.759 evening drinking with them, and they had said that they'd 202 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:14.159 actually rather been in Ireland because there was more excitement there, 203 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:18.799 and Peter couldn't understand that, you know, why they would 204 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:23.639 want to put themselves in danger. But yeah, churchen Mal 205 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.720 is very much the sort of gateway to Belieze, and 206 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:33.639 they were looking forward to going to Belieze and exploring. 207 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.279 There was you mentioned the owner of the Norma boat 208 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:49.840 and his Australian girlfriend and they introduced Chris and to 209 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.159 an American acquaintance of there Is named Silas Dwayne Boston. 210 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.759 They said they'd spent a couple of months sailing to 211 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:02.039 different islands with them, snorkeling and swimming, fishing with another friend, 212 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:07.000 Brian as well. And that Dwayne Boston was, as you write, 213 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:12.159 was a well known character in Belize. So tell us 214 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:14.840 a little bit more about this meeting, how they met 215 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.240 Dwayne Boston, and then what is written in the letter 216 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.360 in terms of their plans regarding Dwayne Boston. 217 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:29.840 Yes, so they had Dwayne Boston was operating this that 218 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:35.120 he was a Californian from Sacramento, and they met him 219 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.519 just by chance through another couple that the owners of 220 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:44.799 the Norma, and they decided to do some sailing with 221 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.240 him and go out to these beautiful keys and islands 222 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.720 that literally litter that coastline. 223 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:51.799 And it was. 224 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.080 He ran this sort of if you like, ferry service 225 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:02.639 really between the keys the islands and gave tourists such 226 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.080 as Chris and Peter lifts to the islands. And it 227 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.799 wasn't long before he discovered that the most enjoyable part 228 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:13.080 for the tourists was dropping off at various keys and 229 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:15.759 barbecuing the fish of the day, that the catch of 230 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.840 the day, and sort of making a bit more of 231 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.360 a sort of a party of it, you know, a 232 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.440 sort of day excursion, and so he was running that 233 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.840 sort of service. And obviously Chris and Peter had experienced 234 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.559 this and felt that, you know, that they enjoyed it. 235 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:37.399 It was you know, as I say, Chris was a 236 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.120 great sailor because he'd enjoyed sailing and learnt to be 237 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.000 a very good sailor from when we used to go 238 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:49.720 on holidays as a family to Anglesey. But they decided 239 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:51.960 it was, you know, that that part of it that 240 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.000 they wanted to continue with and for it to be 241 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:57.080 a longer journey rather than just a day trip. 242 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.320 Right as you're writ in the book, though, this is 243 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.159 a new business for Boston, and he has no license 244 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:12.600 to trade. So he uses this fishing boat basically or 245 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.480 a bigger boat anyway, six six ton boat to sail tourists, 246 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.039 like you say, to one of the keys, or to 247 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:24.200 ferry them to Belize city. But you say that right 248 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:27.080 after about three months of business, that officials boarded as 249 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.639 his boat and told them what what did they tell him? 250 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.399 They told him that he didn't have a license to 251 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:37.519 trade and he was actually taking business away from the locals, 252 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:40.080 and they told him to get out of the area, 253 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:46.159 either that or to become an official ferry operator, which 254 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.559 obviously he didn't want to do because, as we were 255 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.559 to find out, he was actually on the run from 256 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:59.559 California and he wanted to he was evading law enforcement, 257 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.519 so he obviously didn't want to come up on the radar. 258 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.319 And he was the whole reason he was down there. 259 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.160 He was hiding away from law enforcement and Sacramento. 260 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.799 He had also told the previous passengers that he was 261 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:19.359 going to sell this boat. And you write, the history 262 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.839 of this boat is that when he first went over 263 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.960 that border with his sons, Russell and Vince, twelve and 264 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:29.160 thirteen years of age, he had sold his guns, you write, 265 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.240 and he had crossed the border. And when he was 266 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.480 with these passengers, there was talk, wasn't there of him 267 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:40.400 selling this boat. And then, especially after his conversation with 268 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.480 the belized officials. 269 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.200 Yes, he said he was going to take the boat 270 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.119 further south down to Costa Rica and to sell it. 271 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:53.000 And it was at that point because Chris was on 272 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:58.079 the way to another medical job in Trinidad and Peter 273 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:01.039 was going to spend some time with another medical friend 274 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:04.880 of theirs in Louisiana, so that they decided that they 275 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:09.200 would go with Boston down the coast and Chris would 276 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:12.519 get the sailing experience that he really wanted, and then 277 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:17.359 they would part company with him in Honduras. 278 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:21.440 Now you say, even though they're part of the crew, 279 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:27.000 Chris's experienced sailor and this is a business for this 280 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:30.599 Dwayne Boston. So what is the deal that they strike up? 281 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.400 What are the particulars of the deal, And how much 282 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.119 is Boston charging Chris and Peter for this trip? 283 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:45.480 Okay, he was charging them five hundred dollars each, which 284 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.319 at times seemed quite a lot. It seemed quite a 285 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:50.640 lot of money, bearing in mind that they were both 286 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:56.680 taken on as crew. I mean, we only have his 287 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:01.400 word for that, and in retrospect, it might be that 288 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:07.640 he increased that amount because ultimately he was to rob 289 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.799 them of their money. So we only have his word 290 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:11.079 for that. 291 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:17.759 Now you talk about the letters from Peter to her mother, 292 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:21.000 Sammy and the contact that you have with Chris. When 293 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.519 is the last time you hear from Chris? And is 294 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:31.400 there anything out of the ordinary, anything untoward in that 295 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:35.279 the last letter from Peter to her mother, and or 296 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:39.400 the conversation you have or you get recorded from Chris. 297 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.240 So we last He called us from Wahaka in Mexico 298 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:50.839 and it was a perfectly you know, happy conversation. He 299 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:56.160 also sent us a taate recording, uh, you know, and 300 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:01.559 you know he was looking forward to ex during Mexico. Further, 301 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.440 at that point they hadn't decided to go to Breeze, 302 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:06.799 and we heard from him in the tape. We heard 303 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:12.279 from Peter. We we got a letter in early June. 304 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:17.200 But then what happened was there was nothing we didn't hear. 305 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:21.720 There was complete radio silence and no letters, no communication 306 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:28.519 at all throughout July, and it was at that point 307 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:33.480 we really started worrying. Then we got a letter, I 308 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:38.079 think it was August the fourth from Peter and the 309 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:42.519 if she posted a letter late, she always always added 310 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.799 a PostScript and it never failed. She always said, you know, 311 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.039 I haven't been able to post this letter, so I'm 312 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:50.519 adding a little bit extra to you know now, to 313 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.400 tell you exactly where I am. You know, she was, 314 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:54.799 she was so good at keeping in touch in that way. 315 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:57.559 And we received a letter on August the fourth, which 316 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:01.759 was which was dated, which had a poststamp, had been 317 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:07.240 posted on July the eighteenth, and the last mention in 318 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.680 the letter which was June the twenty ninth, and they 319 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:16.480 weren't hunting key in the southern part of Belize, and 320 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.119 it had been posted from Livingstone in Guatemala. 321 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.519 You write too that in this letter again, everything is 322 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.680 much more meaningful later once you realize about their disappearance. 323 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.839 But in this letter she talks about the kids that 324 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:37.799 are twelve and thirteen acting like eight year olds, and 325 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.720 she talks about that. She comments that it's she's had 326 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.039 enough of primitive living and that the space is certainly 327 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:49.799 not enough for five people. So you write that there's 328 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.279 a different tone in that letter from all the other 329 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:53.640 letters that she's ever written. 330 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.240 Yes, I mean the beginning of the letter, which was 331 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:04.119 written I think sort of about June twenty eighth. 332 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:05.039 You know. 333 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.880 What one sense is that they had enjoyed the bohemian 334 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.920 lifestyle and that you know that the sea life. But 335 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.839 then the mood music of the letter changes, and by 336 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.720 the PostScript of the twenty ninth she talks about the 337 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.599 boys being very fractious and Boston losing his temper with 338 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:31.680 the boys a lot, and one senses that the you know, 339 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.559 the small cabin where they were sleeping was getting her down. 340 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:41.279 It was very primitive. Yeah, and one sense is that 341 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:43.960 things were going awry at that point. 342 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:51.240 Now you say that there's mounting anxiety within your family 343 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.440 and the Frampton family as well. Tell us by the 344 00:22:54.559 --> 00:23:00.200 end of August, what this anxiety is a result. What 345 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:02.039 would you guys do as a result, What the two 346 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:02.559 families do? 347 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.119 Well? My parents, my father being a BBC journalist, he 348 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:13.000 made an incredible amount of inquiries himself and my mother 349 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:16.119 wrote letters. I don't think there was any embassy in 350 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:20.359 Central or South America that didn't receive a letter from 351 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.240 them asking if they had if they knew the whereabouts 352 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:28.880 of Chris and Peter. They wrote copious letters, they sent photographs. 353 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.960 They then contacted the Foreign Office, who likewise made various inquiries. 354 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.000 They went on television to make an appeal, you know, 355 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:44.359 to see if anybody had returned recently from that area 356 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:46.960 of Central America who could perhaps help whom maybe had 357 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:53.160 seen them. Yeah, they just didn't leave any stone unturned. 358 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:57.839 And then my father had an absolute brain wave. He 359 00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:04.519 contacted the harbor masks in dan Griga, which from Peter's 360 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.640 letter we knew was the last major port along the 361 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.799 Beliezing coast that they had the boat had left from 362 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.880 and it was that that was to prove crucial evidence 363 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:20.359 both back in the seventies but also in the latter 364 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:26.279 day investigation, because what that proved was that Chris and 365 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:29.160 Peter were signed on his crew on the Justin Bi 366 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.240 in June from Dan Dan Griega, So we knew that 367 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:36.319 they were on that boat and they had they had 368 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:42.799 left port. And then he also contacted the harbormaster in 369 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.720 Guatemala because Peter's letter had said that their plans again 370 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:50.160 had changed and that they were going to be probably 371 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:54.559 dropped off in Guatemala because the weather wasn't wasn't good 372 00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:58.000 and to sail further down to Honduras would be difficult, 373 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.240 and that Boston was going to put them as in Guatemala. 374 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:08.400 So my father and mother contacted the harbormaster in Livingstone 375 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.440 and apparently the boat had put in, but without Chris 376 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:16.359 and Peter on board, so we knew that whatever had 377 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.599 happened to them had happened out at sea and off 378 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:20.839 the Belizean coast. 379 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.480 Also, the captain of that local boat they knew was 380 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:29.920 an American named Silas Dwayne Marston. They knew the name. 381 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.720 Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean extraordinarily. You know that the 382 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.240 amount of detail that Peter put in her letters. You know, 383 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:42.200 she had even put his name, his age, She'd put 384 00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:46.160 the the ages of the two boys and their names. 385 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:49.640 You know, it was quite incredible, really, just how much 386 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:51.839 you know, detail we had. 387 00:25:55.079 --> 00:26:01.119 Now, despite this horror and this this disaster that's unfolding, 388 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:05.200 your parents and your entire family keep it together to 389 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:10.240 launch their own essentially their own investigation, or do as 390 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:17.440 much aiding the authorities as you possibly can. You talk 391 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.440 about mid October, and I know that we're skipping over 392 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.599 all of the all the time that your family's distraught, 393 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.359 But mid October you receive a call from the Foreign 394 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:34.400 and Commonwealth Office and they say that Boston's two sons 395 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.000 are found, the two sons that were accompanying them on 396 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:38.480 this trip. 397 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:45.119 Well, what happened in October? By the way, if I 398 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.319 could just just go back slightly, you know, when I 399 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.599 was saying that Chris was a very trusting character, because 400 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.039 you might think, well, why did they get on this 401 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:57.039