1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,399 Speaker 1: Imagine this. You're stepping off a crowded train, you know, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,559 rush hour maybe, and suddenly the ground just disappears from 3 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:10,759 under you. Yeah, that feeling of falling right, you stumble, 4 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:14,560 you lurch forward, and instead of hitting concrete or worse, 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,199 the tracks with force, you fall perfectly, I mean perfectly 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,320 through this tiny, impossible gap between two train cars. 7 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:25,039 Speaker 2: Logic just goes out the window at that point. Yeah, 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,679 you'd expect the worst, absolutely, a horrible tragedy, exactly. 9 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Dozens of people see it happen, But then moments later 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,479 you're pulled out safe, whole, barely scratch. 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,719 Speaker 2: It's one of those events, isn't It just shatters what 12 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:40,799 you think is possible, what physics dictates should happen. 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,799 Speaker 1: And it forces that question? 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:42,119 Speaker 2: Right? 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: Was that just insane luck like one in a billion. 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: Odds, or maybe some kind of unconscious biological response, you know, 17 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:52,520 the body doing something incredible without you even thinking. 18 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Something else entirely forces we don't measure, maybe supernatural. 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Even providence. Some might say. It really pushes you to 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,240 the edge explanation. 21 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:03,679 Speaker 1: And that edge is exactly where we're heading in this 22 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:07,120 deep dive today. We're looking at these moments, these events 23 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,719 that make you question the boundaries of the known world. 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, where science seems to hit a sort of wall 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,719 and maybe instinct or maybe something well less tangible seems 26 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:19,200 to take over. 27 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:22,719 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating place to explore intellectually. I mean, right 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,760 there at the crossroads of hard facts and maybe faith definitely. 29 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,879 Speaker 2: So today we're diving into a whole collection of sources, 30 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:33,439 looking at four really distinct, really baffling mysteries. 31 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: We're jumping continents, mixing concepts. We start with that near 32 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:39,640 miss in Argentina, then we're off to some really strange 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,799 animal stuff in China, in the US. 34 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,359 Speaker 2: And then we're going to spend a good chunk of 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,959 time on this incredible architectural puzzle in India, something that 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,079 still stumps modern engineers. It's amazing. 37 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: Our mission here isn't just to you know, list what happened. 38 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,920 We want to unpack the facts we do. 39 00:01:54,879 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: Have right way, the science against maybe the more out 40 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,719 there theories, but do it fairly. See where the evidence 41 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,079 actually points or where it just stops. 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we think you'll have that aha moment somewhere 43 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,159 along the way. Maybe it's understanding like ancient engineering techniques, or. 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,159 Speaker 2: Maybe it's realizing just how powerful your own body can 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,000 be unconsciously. Yeah, that hidden potential. 46 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:17,479 Speaker 1: It's a journey into the stuff we can't easily explain. 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,520 But every clue, every theory, it gives us a bit 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,439 more insight, doesn't it. 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely you have to be willing to look beyond the headline, 50 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,439 dig into the details the data, but also you know 51 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:31,479 acknowledge that sometimes the data just doesn't fully explain a 52 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,479 perfect impossible outcome. That feeling, that pull towards belief. 53 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,479 Speaker 1: That's the challenge. Okay, let's jump into this first one. 54 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:44,560 This really puts divine intervention and human biology head to head. 55 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,280 We're in Gonzales, Catan, Argentina, spring twenty twenty two. It's 56 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,800 a big suburb near Buenos Aires. 57 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so the security footage is it's really something. You 58 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,599 see this crowded metro platform, a blue train pulling in 59 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:59,039 and this woman, she's wearing white. She seems to stumble right. 60 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: At the edge and she doesn't trip. She collapses directly 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,639 into that narrow space between two of the train cars. 62 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,000 It's a tiny gap and the train's still moving. 63 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:09,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, the train just keeps going. It's horrifying to watch 64 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:10,240 and The. 65 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Key detail, the thing that seems almost impossible, is the timing. 66 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:17,479 Her fall was perfectly like synchronized, with that gap. 67 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: Passing exactly and according to witnesses and what analysis later showed, 68 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,879 the critical factor was that she went completely limp instantly. 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,719 Speaker 1: You can see the reactions of the people on the platform, 70 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:31,400 just absolute horror. Everyone thought, you know, that was it. 71 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:32,639 They've just seen someone die. 72 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,919 Speaker 2: Understandably, yeah, But then emergency crews arrive, They searched the 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,680 tracks and they pull her out safe, basically unharmed. 74 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: She went to the hospital but was released really quickly, 75 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:47,960 almost no serious injuries. It's just unbelievable. 76 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: And for a lot of people watching that footage or 77 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 hearing about it afterwards, the immediate reaction was, well, it 78 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,840 had to be something divine, a higher power. 79 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,039 Speaker 1: It's hard to argue with that feeling, isn't it. The 80 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,719 physics just don't seem to add up for survival. 81 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,759 Speaker 2: Right. Someone like Heidi Hollis an author who looks into 82 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:07,000 these kinds of things. She points directly at that suggests 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,439 maybe a divine power actively stepped in. 84 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:12,319 Speaker 1: And she talks about guardian angels. Right, This idea of 85 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,199 divine beings protecting us making sure it's not our. 86 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: Time yet precisely, it taps into that very deep seated 87 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,680 faith based view. If you can't explain it with science 88 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,040 or probability, maybe there's a purpose behind it, providence. 89 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:27,319 Speaker 1: Which brings us to the whole idea of what a 90 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,720 miracle actually is. Experts like O'Neill, they have criteria, don't they. 91 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,879 Speaker 2: They do generally three things. It has to be rare, 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,240 it has to be well unexplained by known laws, and crucially, 93 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,560 it has to work for the good. 94 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,759 Speaker 1: And saving someone's life in a situation like that that 95 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,079 clearly works for the good. So it seems to tick 96 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,600 that box. At least it feels like a miracle. 97 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: It does. But then you run into the official standards, 98 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:54,439 like those used by the Vatican for confirming miracles. They 99 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:56,600 are incredibly strict, skeptical. 100 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,399 Speaker 1: Almost yeah, I read that. Since the fifteen hundreds they've 101 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,480 only confirmed about what fifteen hundred miracles. That's not many 102 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,040 over centuries, not at all. 103 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: And usually those confirm miracles are healings, things you can measure. 104 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,399 You know, someone has a documented disease before and then suddenly, 105 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,920 inexplicably they don't. There's physical proof of. 106 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: Change exactly, and O'Neil points out that with a survival 107 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,199 event like this one in Argentina, it's a miracle of 108 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,480 timing of physics, maybe defying itself. There's no test you 109 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:23,920 can run. 110 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: You can't scientifically prove an angel intervened, so judging it 111 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,920 as a miracle that remains an active faith. The sources 112 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:33,839 called it an unofficial possible miracle. 113 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,959 Speaker 1: It demands belief because you can't measure it, which is 114 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:40,399 where the science comes back in right with doctor Kio Kaku, Yes, the. 115 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: Counter argument Kaku the physicist. He argues that the miracle 116 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,920 isn't divine intervention from outside, it's the incredible machine that 117 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:50,480 is the human body itself. 118 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: He talks about this semi sense proprioception exactly. 119 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: Proprioception. It's fascinating, it really is. 120 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: We learn the five senses, but this is almost like 121 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,839 a sixpence back biological it's the body's own GPS, right, 122 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:04,240 knowing where all your bits are in three D space 123 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,879 without consciously thinking about it. 124 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,399 Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. It's why you 125 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:09,839 can touch your nose with your eyeshut, or how athletes 126 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:14,680 perform these incredibly complex movements without actively plotting each muscle 127 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,839 flex It's automatic spatial awareness. 128 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: So how does that work. It's receptors and muscles and 129 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,199 joints sending signals back to the brain. 130 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,639 Speaker 2: Precisely, it's a constant, super fast feedback loop. Receptors in muscles, tendons, 131 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:32,000 joints send data about position, tension, movement to the brain, 132 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,680 and the brain sends back motor commands faster than you 133 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:35,800 can consciously react. 134 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: So, in the case of the woman in Argentina, Kaku's 135 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,120 argument is that propriception took over. 136 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: Yes, he argues her survival hinged entirely on that rapid 137 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,480 involuntary response triggered by her proprioceptive system. 138 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,759 Speaker 1: She went limp, which physiologically speaking, is the absolute best 139 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:54,639 thing she could have done. 140 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: Right. Going limp maximizes flexibility, minimizes the profile that could 141 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,439 get snagged or hit. If she'd ten step tried to consciously. 142 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,439 Speaker 1: Stop the fall, she would a stiffen, probably hit the train, 143 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,279 hit the platform, edge catastrophe Exactly. 144 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: Her proprioceptic system basically bypassed her conscious fear response and 145 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,959 executed the most protective physical action possible. In that split second, her. 146 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: Body just took over guided her through that tiny gap. 147 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:24,879 Kaku's saying, it wasn't an angel, It was evolution, millions 148 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,399 of years crackting this perfect unconscious survival instinct. 149 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: The body is its own miracle worker in a sense, 150 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,480 a product of natural selection. 151 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:34,439 Speaker 1: You know, when you think about the speed of that, 152 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:38,160 the visual input, the inner ear sensing the fall, the 153 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:43,279 brain processing sending the command go limp all before conscious 154 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,759 thought can even catch up. That level of biological engineering 155 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:48,600 feels pretty miraculous itself. 156 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,839 Speaker 2: It really does. Propriateception is behind every time you catch something, 157 00:07:51,879 --> 00:07:55,319 you drop or swerve to avoid an obstacle. Instinctively, it's 158 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,360 constantly working. 159 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: So Kaku addresses the luck factor too. 160 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: Oh yes, talks about how physicists calculate probability. They look 161 00:08:02,759 --> 00:08:05,000 at all the possible outcomes for an event, and for 162 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:07,759 this one, given the exact timing needed, the width of 163 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:10,560 that gap, the train speed, it was calculated as a 164 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,720 textbook one in a million kind of event, extremely improbable, 165 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,600 but not impossible. 166 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So we're left with this tension. On one side. 167 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,519 You've got measurable probability that one in a million chants, 168 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:27,000 combined with this measurable protective biology propriception, and on the other. 169 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: Side you have the unmeasurable, the feeling, the belief in 170 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:33,240 something more, providence, purpose. 171 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: And the conclusion they reached this unofficial possible miracle. 172 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of captures that divide perfectly. It acknowledges 173 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:43,960 the sheer luck involve the perfect storm of probability, and 174 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:48,440 the incredibly effective biological instinct kicking in. The physics explains 175 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:51,240 the how it could happen, but the sheer perfection of 176 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:53,879 the timing well that invites belief. 177 00:08:53,879 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: Is the survival is a fact. The why it happened 178 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,600 that's still open. It really makes you think it does. 179 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: Okay, So from this very individual, sudden event, let's shift 180 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,720 gears completely. We're gonna look at something large scale, ongoing 181 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:10,200 and deeply disturbing, a mystery playing out in plain sight. 182 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: This involves death, potential, pollution, and maybe maybe something darker. 183 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:18,159 Speaker 2: Right, We're heading to Austell, Georgia now just outside Atlanta 184 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,559 around twenty eighteen, and the key location here is where 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,480 the I twenty Highway crosses the Chattahoochee River. 186 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: And that river is incredibly important, right, provides drinking water 187 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,600 for million a million people. 188 00:09:29,799 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what happens in it or gets dumped into 189 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:33,360 it matters a lot. 190 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:36,639 Speaker 1: And the person who sees everything is the Chattahoochee River 191 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:41,720 keeper Jason Olsith. He started noticing something really unsettling, and 192 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:42,080 not just. 193 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: Once or twice. He described it as routine, persistent dead goats, 194 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:50,360 lots of them floating in the river, washed up on 195 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:50,799 the banks. 196 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: But the truly weird part, the detail that makes this 197 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,320 a real mystery. Every single one was missing its head. 198 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, decapitated, yeah, also document into this. Clearly they were 199 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:04,799 deliberately beheaded and then dumped. And the scale, he said 200 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,120 he's seen it thousands of times, thousands, thousands. 201 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,279 Speaker 1: That's staggering. He said, it's so common now he doesn't 202 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:12,320 even slow down his boat anymore when he sees one. 203 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: That tells you the volume we're talking about. It's not 204 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,279 isolated incidents. It's continuous. 205 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So thousands of headless goats over years. The first 206 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,320 most obvious thought has to be predators, right, could some 207 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:26,080 large animal be doing this? 208 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:29,519 Speaker 2: That was the initial theory. It's a somewhat wooded area 209 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,360 near Atlanta, you know. An anthropologist Kathy Strain mentioned that 210 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,600 large predators do occasionally show up there was that thirteen 211 00:10:36,639 --> 00:10:39,159 foot alligator found near Atlanta back in twenty nineteen. 212 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: A gator that big could definitely take a goat or 213 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,360 maybe a bear. 214 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:45,639 Speaker 2: Possibly, But the predator theory fell apart pretty quickly when 215 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,200 wildlife experts looked closer. Stephanie Manka, a wildlife biologist, examined 216 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,120 some of the carcasses. The cuts were wrong. They looked clean, 217 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,960 almost hacked, precise in a way, not ripped or torn 218 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,320 or crushed like you would expect from an alligator wrestling 219 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,000 a goat bear attack. 220 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,519 Speaker 1: Right, predators leave messy signs, tearing puncture wings all over exactly. 221 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: And the other big question Manka raised, why only the head? 222 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,080 Why would a predator kill a large animal and leave 223 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:14,159 the entire nutritious body behind, just taking the head. It 224 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,600 doesn't fit any known predatory feeding pattern. 225 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:19,399 Speaker 1: Okay, so if it's not animals, you know where minds 226 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,000 go next when things get weird and involve mutilation alien. Yeah, 227 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,919 the internet theories popped up, linking it to those cattle 228 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,200 mutilation stories like that incident also near Atlanta in twenty sixteen, 229 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,440 cows found drained of blood, weird circles cut into them. 230 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,799 Speaker 2: It's an easy jump when something's this bizarre. But Mancas 231 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:39,200 shot that down pretty fast too. She looked at the 232 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,159 cuts again. So they look like something easily done by 233 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,440 a person, an untrained person, probably with just a knife 234 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:49,000 or a machete. Nothing high tech, no lasers, no surgical precision, 235 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,120 just hacked off. 236 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So ruling out nature, ruling out little green men. 237 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,279 It points firmly towards humans, which leads to ritual. 238 00:11:59,399 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: Or crime exactly. A journalist MJ. Benias started exploring the 239 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:06,000 possibility of a link to Santuria. 240 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:10,519 Speaker 1: Santaia, that's the Afrocribbean religion uses animal sacrifice sometimes, that's right. 241 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: It originated in West Africa, blended with Catholicism in the Caribbean. 242 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,000 And yes, animal sacrifice usually chickens, doves, sometimes goats is 243 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,840 part of some rituals for specific purposes like seeking protection, 244 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,639 good luck, healing. Things like that had been noted occasionally 245 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:24,559 in places like Florida. 246 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe, but the sheer number here, thousands of goats. 247 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:32,519 Benia suggested that points to someone needing a huge amount 248 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:34,399 of luck or protection. 249 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:38,159 Speaker 2: A significant amount, yeah, which led investigators and journalists down 250 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:38,919 a darker path. 251 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: Drug cartels, cartels needing mystical help. 252 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: It's not unheard of. Atlanta's a known hub on drug roots, 253 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,720 historically connecting places like Miami. I think Pablo's cabar Era 254 00:12:49,879 --> 00:12:54,360 and beyond. The theory was maybe cartels fighting for territory 255 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,279 were using these sacrifices for spiritual protection or maybe even intimidation. 256 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,759 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that's a shilling possibility. But does it fit 257 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:03,519 with actual Santaia practice. 258 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: That's where professor mcguil delatore comes in. He's an expert 259 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,600 of social ethics and his family actually practiced Santaia. He 260 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:11,960 had a very strong opinion on this. 261 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: What did he say? 262 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: He was emphatic this is not traditional Santuri, not even close. 263 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: Why not because of the scale? 264 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: Primarily yes, yeah. He explained that genuine Santarea sacrifices are rare, specific, 265 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:25,360 done with great respect, often just once in a lifetime 266 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:27,960 for a major issue. Killing goats multiple times a week, 267 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,799 dumping thousands, yes, that's completely alien to the tradition. 268 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,639 Speaker 1: So what did he think was going on? 269 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:36,879 Speaker 2: He suggested, whoever is doing this is either totally untrained, 270 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,240 completely misinformed about the religion, or maybe deliberately twisting ritual 271 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:46,120 elements for some other purpose like needing constant massive amounts 272 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,679 of luck because they're involved in something incredibly dangerous in. 273 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: High stakes, like large scale drug trafficking. 274 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,879 Speaker 2: That seems to be the implication using a distorted version 275 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,879 of ritual for continuous desperate protection. 276 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:00,759 Speaker 1: So the ritual aspect might just be a cover or 277 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,919 a misguided attempt at magic by criminals. And meanwhile, they're 278 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,159 dumping thousands of carcasses into the drinking water supply. 279 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:10,879 Speaker 2: Which is a massive environmental problem on top of everything else. 280 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,960 Also the river keeper, he stresses that point, regardless of 281 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:17,759 why they're doing it, Dumping carcasses on this scale is 282 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,919 polluting the water for five million people. It has to stop. 283 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: So the final verdict is unexplained animal slaughter. We know 284 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,960 it's not predators, not aliens. It looks like humans probably 285 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,440 linked to crime, maybe using some kind of warped ritual. 286 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,759 But who exactly and why precisely is still a mystery. 287 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: A very disturbing, ongoing mystery with real public health implications. 288 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,519 Speaker 1: Truly chilling. Okay, let's completely change gears now from unexplained 289 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:52,120 death to unexplained sophistication. We're going back centuries to look 290 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,080 at a marvel of engineering that involves solid granite. 291 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: Right, we're heading way back in time and across the 292 00:14:57,399 --> 00:15:01,120 globe to the ancient village of Hampi in India. It 293 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:05,120 used to be the capital of a powerful empire, Vijianagra. 294 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: And there's a famous temple there, the Vetala Temple. Beautiful place, 295 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,320 But the main attraction and the biggest puzzle are these 296 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,159 pillars fifty six granite pillars. 297 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:16,679 Speaker 2: And these aren't just structural supports. When you strike them, 298 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:20,840 they produce clear, distinct musical notes like a giant stone instrument. 299 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,639 Speaker 1: They call them the Sara Gamma pillars, right after the 300 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,559 Indian musical scale, like our do Remi exactly. 301 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: The local legend says they were created for the god Vishnu, 302 00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:32,799 celebrating his return. So there's this layer of divine origin 303 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,799 attributed to them too. 304 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: But what blows my mind is they're made of granite, 305 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:39,080 solid granite that's one of the hardest, densest stones there 306 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:42,519 is and doesn't exactly scream musical instrument, not at all. 307 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: Granite is known for being acoustically quite dead usually, so 308 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:51,320 the fact that these produced specific tunable notes has baffled 309 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,000 people for over five hundred years, and people have. 310 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,519 Speaker 1: Tried to figure it out, right. Eric Grundhauser wrote about 311 00:15:56,559 --> 00:15:58,559 some pretty destructive attempts. 312 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeahuries ago, the Moguls apparently tried charring some of 313 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,519 the pillars with fire for months ye, thinking they could 314 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:10,039 weaken the stone or reveal something hidden inside. And the British. 315 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:14,480 The British went further. They actually carved off two entire pillars, 316 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:17,320 remove them completely, just to cut them open and see 317 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,080 what was inside. 318 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,039 Speaker 1: And what did they find? Anything hidden? Chambers, metal rods. 319 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing, just solid granite all the way through monolithic columns. 320 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So if there's nothing hidden inside, how do they 321 00:16:28,879 --> 00:16:32,080 make sound? This brings us to the forensic science part. 322 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:33,759 Doctor Rob Moore. 323 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,279 Speaker 2: Yes mar a forensic audio analyst. He came up with 324 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,960 the leading scientific theory for the mechanism of the sound. 325 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,159 It's called flexial vibration. 326 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,559 Speaker 1: Flexial vibration, what does that mean in this context? 327 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:49,679 Speaker 2: It means the entire pillar is vibrating, moving side to side. Essentially, 328 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,559 think of a tuning fork or maybe one of those 329 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,879 springy door stoppers. When you strike the pillar, the energy 330 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,320 makes the whole solid column wiggle or oscillate at its 331 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:00,000 natural reds. 332 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,399 Speaker 1: That frequency the whole multi ton granite column is wiggling. 333 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:05,000 That's hard to picture it is. 334 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 2: But that's what the physics suggests. It's not just the 335 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,200 surface vibrating. The entire mass is involved. The specific node 336 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,599 it produces. Its pitch depends on the pillar's dimensions, like 337 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,039 its length in diameter, and crucially, the rigidity or stiffness 338 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:20,119 of the granite itself. 339 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: So the theory is the original builders somehow controlled the 340 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,880 properties of the granite to tune each pillar. 341 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,279 Speaker 2: That's the implication. Maybe by selecting specific granite blocks with 342 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,160 slightly different densities, or maybe by subtly altering the internal 343 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,599 structures they carved it, they could tune its stiffness, its 344 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:42,319 modulus of elasticity, and therefore control the note it produced 345 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:42,839 when struck. 346 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:44,079 Speaker 1: How did mar test this? 347 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: He actually used computer modeling. He created a digital simulation 348 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,440 of a granite column with the same dimensions as the 349 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,680 Handy pillars, and simulated the physics. 350 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,799 Speaker 1: Of flexual vibration and the sound it produced. 351 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: The synthesized sound matched the pit and the general acoustic 352 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:05,599 quality of the actual recordings from the AMPI pillars. It 353 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,160 strongly supported the idea that flexual vibration is the correct mechanism. 354 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,279 Speaker 1: Okay, so we know how they make sound, But that 355 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,359 just makes the engineering question even harder, doesn't it. How 356 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,759 did artisans in the fifteen hundreds do that with granite precisely? 357 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,079 Speaker 2: That's the staggering riddle. How do they achieve this level 358 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,440 of precision and consistency across fifty six pillars? 359 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:28,759 Speaker 1: What are the theories on the how? I heard one 360 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:29,960 about synthetic granite. 361 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,319 Speaker 2: Ah, that's a popular one. The idea is they didn't 362 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,000 carve them from solid blocks, but maybe made them from 363 00:18:35,079 --> 00:18:38,359 reconstituted granite, like a kind of high tech cement. If 364 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,039 they could liquefy and reform granite, maybe they could control 365 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:43,440 the internal density or even build in structures. 366 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: But that runs into Barnhardt's technology. 367 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,759 Speaker 2: Paradox right exactly. To make granite cement, you need kilns 368 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:53,319 that can reach thousands of degrees fahrenheit. We're talking serious 369 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:56,839 metallurgical temperatures to melt and reform the minerals in. 370 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,519 Speaker 1: Granite, and the evidence for such kilns it is just. 371 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:02,519 Speaker 2: Not there archaeologically. There's no sign of that kind of 372 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,359 advanced heating technology anywhere near the Vitala Temple site. From 373 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:06,960 that period. 374 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: So the outcome seems to demand a technology that the 375 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,000 physical evidence says they shouldn't have had. That's the paradox. 376 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: It's a huge puzzle. Okay, So let's put aside the 377 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,599 synthetic idea. What if they did carve them from natural blocks. 378 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,759 Speaker 1: The amount of trial and error, it just boggles the mind. 379 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: Think about it. Carving granite is hard enough, but carving 380 00:19:28,279 --> 00:19:30,799 it to produce a specific musical note, you'd have to 381 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,480 ship away tiny amounts. Strike it, listen, adjust the shape 382 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:36,960 or height by maybe millimeters. Test again, and. 383 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: Do that fifty six times, getting fifty six different correct notes. 384 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,079 The precision required it's immense. 385 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,559 Speaker 2: The waste from failed attempts must have been enormous. The 386 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,279 sheer time, the specialized knowledge of acoustics in stone working. 387 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,400 Modern engineers, even with computer modeling and laser tools, would 388 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,960 find replicating this incredibly challenging. 389 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: It think they did it five hundred years ago, possibly 390 00:19:58,759 --> 00:20:01,440 just with hand tools and incre skilled ears and hands. 391 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:04,960 It suggests the level of expertise that's just lost. 392 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: That seems to be the consensus. The musical pillars of 393 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,359 Hampy are likely the product of a sophisticated lost technology, 394 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,519 a branch of material science or engineering that we've forgotten 395 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:14,880 how to do. 396 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,519 Speaker 1: And the saddest part is because people kept touching them, 397 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,200 striking them over the centuries. 398 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're now cordoned off protected. Yeah, you can't play 399 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,599 these amazing stone instruments anymore to prevent further damage. A 400 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,200 testament to something incredible we can see but can no 401 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:30,759 longer fully understand or replicate. 402 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,319 Speaker 1: It really is the ultimate architectural mystery. We have the 403 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,599 finished product, but the blueprints are gone. Okay. One last 404 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:43,480 pivot from conscious ancient human engineering to unconscious modern synchronized 405 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:44,480 animal behavior. 406 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: This one takes us to China and reminds us how 407 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:50,160 much we still don't grasp about collective behavior in the 408 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:50,880 natural world. 409 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,559 Speaker 1: All right, our final stop is Baotu, Inner Mongolia, China. 410 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:58,720 This was relatively recent November twenty twenty two, a farming 411 00:20:58,839 --> 00:20:59,559 region and this. 412 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 2: Farmer, miss Meow. She had over a dozen pens of sheep, 413 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,519 but something extremely strange started happening in just one of them, 414 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,799 pen number thirteen. What happened the sheep in that specific pen, 415 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,839 dozens of them, they just lined up and started walking 416 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,160 in a perfect circle clockwise. I think the report said. 417 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: Okay, weird, but maybe they were just milling around. 418 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: That's what you might think initially. But here's the kicker. 419 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,079 They didn't stop. They kept walking in this flawless circle 420 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:29,759 NonStop for twelve consecutive days. 421 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:32,759 Speaker 1: Twelve days walking in a circle NonStop twelve days. 422 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 2: Think about that, No stopping for proper sleep, for feeding, 423 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,400 just relentless synchronized circle. 424 00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: How is that even physically possible? 425 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:43,839 Speaker 2: And why exactly? When the videos hit the internet, naturally, 426 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,680 people started reaching for explanations folklore, supernatural stuff. 427 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine. Sheep are sometimes seen as sacrificial 428 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,240 or having strange productive abilities in folklore, right, like predicting 429 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:57,759 weather or even earthquakes. 430 00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: Some tritions hold that. Yeah, they're said to say things 431 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,079 about twenty hours beforehand. So people wondered were they collectively 432 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,519 sensing some impending doom? Was it an omen a ritual? 433 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: But the scientists, they look for more grounded causes first, 434 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,559 like the location Bow two right. 435 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: Boutio is a major industrial center, particularly for processing rare 436 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,200 earth elements, and that industry has led to significant pollution 437 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,440 problems contaminated soil, polluted groundwater. 438 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: So could it be some kind of environmental poisoning affecting 439 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,279 the sheep making them act strangely, that was definitely considered. 440 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: A biologist, Floyd Hayes looked into whether toxins could be 441 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:39,319 causing neurological issues. Heavy metals, for instance, can cause nerve damage, 442 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:43,759 mutations abnormal behavior in livestock, but Hayes eventually ruled it 443 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,400 out based on how the sheep looked. Animals suffering from 444 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,119 acute poisoning or neurological damage usually showed clear signs of illness. 445 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,799 They get skinny, they limp, maybe lose hair or wool, 446 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:53,680 they look lethargic. 447 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,279 Speaker 1: And these sheep didn't look sick apparently not. 448 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,839 Speaker 2: The video showed them looking vigorous, healthy, just inexplicably walking 449 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,000 in a circle for twelve days. Healthy bodies, but profoundly 450 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,039 abnormal synchronized behavior. 451 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So if it's not pollution messing with their brains, 452 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,200 what about an infection something internal? Stephanie Manka, the biologists 453 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,079 from the goat story, weighed in here too. 454 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: She did. She suggested listeriosis. 455 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,319 Speaker 1: Mysteriosis isn't that sometimes called circling disease exactly? 456 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: It's caused by Lsteria bacteria often found a decaying feed 457 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:30,839 or silage on farms, and it affects the brain stem, 458 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:34,240 causing animals to compulsively walk in circles. It sounds like 459 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:35,000 a perfect fit. 460 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,599 Speaker 1: But there must be a catch, otherwise it wouldn't be unexplained. 461 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,559 Speaker 2: The catch is the duration. Listeriosis is usually very fast 462 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,240 acting and often fatal if not treated quickly. An infected 463 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,039 sheep typically dies within twenty four to forty eight hours, 464 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,519 and these. 465 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: Sheeps circled for twelve days. 466 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: Right for a whole group to survive that long while 467 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,599 exhibiting the main symptom, Mankea concluded it was scientifically unlikely 468 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,640 to be listeriosis. The timescale just didn't fit the known 469 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,960 progress of that disease. 470 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so not pollution, not listeriosis. What's left just weird 471 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:08,359 sheep behavior. 472 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,319 Speaker 2: Pretty much the simplest explanation, but still puzzling. The leading 473 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:17,720 theory defaulted to triggered social behavior, an extreme prolonged case 474 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,599 of flocking. 475 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: Flocking like birds or fish. 476 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,559 Speaker 2: Sheep do that too, Oh, absolutely, Sheep have a very 477 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:28,000 strong instinct to stick together and follow the group. Manka 478 00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:31,359 suggested maybe something triggered it, Perhaps the pen was too crowded, 479 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,440 Maybe a sudden stresser causing one or two sheep to 480 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,000 start circling, and the others just followed instinctively. Yes, the 481 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,799 basic rules of flocking are simple, keep moving, stay close 482 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:42,599 to your neighbors. Once a circular pattern gets established in 483 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,720 a confined space, the collective momentum can just keep it going. 484 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,200 The group instinct overrides individual needs like rest. 485 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:53,319 Speaker 1: It's like that propriception thing again, but on a group level, 486 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,279 a collective instinct takes over. 487 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: It's very apt comparison a powerful unconscious drive shaping behavior. 488 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: But there's always a butt with these stories. 489 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,319 Speaker 2: Always. The final riddle, the one that sumps everyone, is 490 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,599 why only pen number thirteen? Right? 491 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: Miss me? I had over a dozen pens, same sheep, breed, presumably, 492 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,319 same feed, same general conditions. 493 00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,079 Speaker 2: So if it was overcrowding, why didn't it happen in 494 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,960 other pens? If it was something in the feed specific 495 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,920 to that delivery, maybe, but why did only that pen 496 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:23,920 react so profoundly and for so long? 497 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,039 Speaker 1: The isolation of the event is the really baffling part. 498 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,279 Speaker 2: Exactly so they ruled out the obvious culprit's feeding patterns, 499 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,559 known diseases, visible signs of pollution, and they were left 500 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,599 with well, nothing. 501 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,279 Speaker 1: Definitive, which led to the official designation. 502 00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:44,079 Speaker 2: Unexplained Ovine phenomenon a UOP, A truly bizarre case of 503 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,359 mass synchronized animal behavior localized to one small group that 504 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,680 we just can't fully explain. 505 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: It really shows how much we still don't understand about 506 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,839 how animal groups think, or react or or maybe even 507 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,599 feel collectively. Wow. So we've covered a lot of ground today, 508 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,480 from Argentina to India, Georgia to China, across centuries and species. 509 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240 We've looked right at these moments where our understanding just 510 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:08,359 hits a wall. 511 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,319 Speaker 2: We really have. We've seen incredible examples of human capability, 512 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,519 haven't we? That amazing biological fail safe appropriate exception? 513 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,599 Speaker 1: Yeah? And the sheer ingenuity, even if mysterious, of those 514 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,640 ancient engineers and Hampy turning granite into music. 515 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,759 Speaker 2: But then we also bumped right up against the forces 516 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,519 that seem beyond our control, or at least beyond our 517 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:29,640 current measurement. 518 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: Like pure probability, the luck factor in Argentina, or the 519 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,079 dark desperate motivations maybe driving those rituals in Georgia, and. 520 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: The baffling collective mind if you can call it that 521 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,400 of those sheep in China. These stories really highlight that 522 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,000 huge space that still exists between what we know for 523 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:48,920 sure and what remains unknown. 524 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: And maybe the beauty of these mysteries isn't finding a neat, 525 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,559 tidy answer for everything. Maybe it's in the synthesis, like 526 00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:55,559 you said earlier. 527 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they force you to weigh things differently. Do you 528 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,680 trust the coal hard measurement or do you give weight 529 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,359 to the timing, the feeling, the impossibility of the moment. 530 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,319 Speaker 1: Was the Argentina survival just luck and biology or was 531 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,359 their purpose in that perfect timing. 532 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: Are the Hampy pillars just a forgotten technique or does 533 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440 their perfection hint at something deeper about ancient knowledge. 534 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,559 Speaker 1: It really speaks to our curiosity as humans, doesn't it 535 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,640 We key searching for the scientific explanation we do. 536 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 2: Even when that search leads us back to describing things 537 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,680 using words like miracle or lost technology because our current 538 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:31,319 science can't quite bridge the gap. 539 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: So the question for you listening right now is what 540 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,319 resonates more after hearing these stories. Is it that drive 541 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,440 to find the rational, verifiable answer for every single strange event. 542 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: Or is there maybe value in accepting that some thing's 543 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,480 the perfect fall, the motive behind the goats, the secret 544 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,480 of the pillars, the sheep circle might just remain outside 545 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,480 our grasp for now. Anyway, maybe the open question itself 546 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:55,960 is the point. 547 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,839 Speaker 1: The mystery can be as informative as the solution. 548 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,799 Speaker 2: Sometimes we really encourage you to look into the sources yourselves. 549 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,400 If this sparked your interest, dig deeper into appropriateception, Santa 550 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,599 Ria history, flextual vibration, flogging behavior. There's always more to uncover. 551 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,079 Speaker 1: And always more to question. Until next time on the 552 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,680 deep Dive.