WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.200 Hey there, did you know that this podcast as a 2 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:07.160 supporters club. By becoming a supporter of the show, you 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:11.000 gain access to exclusive content and play an active role 4 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:14.359 in helping me to continue producing the content you love. 5 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:18.239 See the link in the episode description for more details. 6 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:21.480 Now let's get back to the episode. 7 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.480 All the ways, the loud and right by the same. 8 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:31.519 We stand as. 9 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:38.640 One because boy tadle in hand, stripe down the pole 10 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:40.439 and protect this land. 11 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:43.200 Oh it's all father. 12 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:48.479 See voice guide our souls to the sacred rhythm. Frick, 13 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:51.759 Queen of the hot us home with love and. 14 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:57.840 Great Vegas holes. 15 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:01.200 With your eye might guide us food the top house. 16 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:04.319 But misters life Fanta, show us. 17 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:09.640 The path with every breath. Try out as love and lore. 18 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:17.519 We honor you know and forever more. Who to lisus 19 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.439 we call the rooms, We see shoals. 20 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:25.719 Ussles, ride out us, we say, fly. 21 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:31.799 Away, local saga, last no pease, liten our spirits rise 22 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.799 on the winds are string gisa. 23 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:41.519 Gema for we trust. Welcome, Welcome, I'm back everyone to 24 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:47.079 the Greyhorn Pagans podcast once more. Once again, it's been 25 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:51.920 a while since I recorded a new podcast. Actually, we're 26 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:55.519 doing a lot of other videos of course, Crypted with 27 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.319 Fox and Fay the project that I have with the 28 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:04.000 with the Wife. But for today, I have a very 29 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:13.039 special guests two to introduce to announce. He goes by 30 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:19.599 D or Citizen D. And there is a reason for 31 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:26.439 the anonymity, which is something that we actually will get 32 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:31.319 into on this this show, on this this episode. So D, 33 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.599 thank you very much for for joining me on my 34 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.599 own show today. Of course, had I had a little 35 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:44.800 little chat on Across the Pond as well, but not 36 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:46.800 on my own channel yet, and I thought, like, this 37 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:51.000 is so incredibly interesting, and we already on Across the Pond, 38 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:55.479 we already touched on a bit of the like more 39 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:02.639 accult mystic side of of things, and on my own 40 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:07.039 channel I can actually like get deeper into into that 41 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.879 because that's what I do. So yeah, thank you for 42 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:12.360 joining me. 43 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:13.719 It's a pleasure. I think. 44 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.159 I think what you're doing and what I'm going to 45 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.520 talk about is quite aligned. Actually I can see the 46 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.879 parallels already, which is cool. I've been looking forward to 47 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.599 this one. Thanks so much. 48 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:28.439 Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. So for everyone who 49 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.719 may not know just yet you haven't watched Across the 50 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.280 Pond or any of the other shows that you have done. 51 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:41.800 Tell the people like, what do you what are you about? 52 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:47.000 Why the why the secrecy, why the anonymity, What's what's 53 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:47.400 up with that? 54 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:52.800 Three reasons, all of them nice easy to explain. First one, 55 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.680 a really pleasant one, is the fact that we think 56 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:02.080 that crop circles should should should remain authored. Because when 57 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.080 I used to go and visit the crop circles as 58 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.120 a believer before I took the start side. 59 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:10.680 Take now, I live quite near Wiltshare, or I live. 60 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.240 Quite near watch you at the time, and if I 61 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.479 knew there was ten crop circles but two were definitely 62 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.439 man made, I wouldn't bother to go to those two. 63 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:22.720 So there is this demystification element, if you see what 64 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.279 I mean. So I just in case, I let slip 65 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.839 of any circles that you know that I became involved in. 66 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:29.560 I liked. 67 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.199 We like the circles to speak, right, We want the 68 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:35.480 work to speak rather than the author. And this is 69 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.000 not an ego thing. So the second that a crop 70 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.639 circle is exposed as being man made or it's authored, 71 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.920 then the whole even years on, the whole thing is 72 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.720 like the whole magic is sunked out of it. Okay, 73 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.079 so that that's one reason. The second reason is that 74 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:59.480 it's it's illegal to make crop circles, So even though 75 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:04.319 it's not a police matter, there's no statue of libertations. 76 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.920 So ten years on, even though I stopped. 77 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.000 Doing it ten years ago, if a farmer connects me 78 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.920 to a circle that I made on his land, that's 79 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:17.040 criminal damage vandalism, even if it's a nice circle and. 80 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:19.920 It's trespassed. 81 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.680 So I don't want to open myself up to especially 82 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.120 with the industry that I'm in now, it's different to 83 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:28.639 the industry that I was in at the time, and 84 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:33.079 my current industry is not conducive to criminal activity. 85 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.319 And the third reason is that. 86 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:42.360 It's a very contentious subject what I'll be talking about today. 87 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.879 And I've got a very pleasant home life, a very 88 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.920 pleasant private life. I've got a beautiful job, I've got 89 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:52.680 a beautiful wife, and I'd like to keep and ring 90 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:54.399 fence that stuff away from my. 91 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:57.800 Other stuff. 92 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.800 You finally got on the straight and narrow, So let's 93 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:05.399 keep on the straight and narrow and leaf leave the 94 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:06.399 past in the past. 95 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.079 Absolutely right question. 96 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:13.360 Yeah, No, I I totally understand, and I hope by 97 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.920 this explanation that my my audience does too, and you 98 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:25.639 already hinted at it that you are a former crop 99 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:34.720 circle maker designer, which probably goes against what everyone thinks 100 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.879 like crop circles like there those are like you know, 101 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:39.600 aliens and stuff. 102 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.399 Right, Like what do you mean they're mad made? Like 103 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.920 that's that's how like how is that even possible? They're so? 104 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.160 But what what what I hope to come into today? 105 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.079 What I hope is gonna he's going to open up. 106 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.680 I mean I did a podcast on Saturday with an 107 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.720 Australian guy two hours and it took a while for 108 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:01.680 them to open up and realize. 109 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:02.399 What I was talking about. 110 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.720 But the thing is this uthology like ceiology, which is 111 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:07.759 crop circles. 112 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.199 It's not and wicker. It's not black and white. It 113 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:15.279 is gray. Okay. So it's not black and white. It's 114 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.279 man made. It's not man made or these. 115 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.639 Are structured craft or its et or it's not eaty. 116 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.360 It's there's a very gray area, okay. And it's the 117 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:24.720 gray area that excites me. 118 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.680 Okay. So the reason why my. 119 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.399 Substack is called it can't be People is because when 120 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.079 I saw my first crop circle and I went and 121 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.839 I went into it, I thought this cannot be people. 122 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:37.399 Okay. 123 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.560 When I realized the truth that we'll be talking about today, 124 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:45.399 I realized that even if there are people involved, there 125 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.160 is still something else going on, So it can't be 126 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:49.800 people exclusively. 127 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:50.879 If that makes sense. 128 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:55.839 Yeah, no, that absolutely makes sense. And the gray area, 129 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.720 I mean you've come to the right guy, to the 130 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.519 right show for that. Like we are the Gray range 131 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:09.600 begans of course for a reason, so they are man made. 132 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:15.759 They're not man made, so like we kind of you know, 133 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:21.199 God into that with across the ponds. But just for 134 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:24.839 the like the very like basic. 135 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:28.399 You need to look at the history, okay. And the 136 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.440 history is that with the original this all even though 137 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.600 there's been reports of single circles. You had this thing 138 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:38.360 about the main devil from the sixteen hundreds, where this 139 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:42.039 thing we've done in Hertfordshire. If you speak to serious 140 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:47.159 crop circle you know, serious researches that are are not biased, 141 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.200 and they're not you know, they've got they haven't got 142 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:53.039 their own narrative. We think that that is actually a 143 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:54.879 bit of a spanner in the works and we don't 144 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:59.039 think that that that that that mowing devil is actually connected, Okay, 145 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.360 because it's cut okay, and it's also not in a 146 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:03.360 key area either. 147 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:04.960 Okay. So the. 148 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:10.480 Crop circles started in Australia with the seventies Talinists, and 149 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:15.000 they were they looked like berthed flying saucers in grass, 150 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.559 and to this day, I don't think that's ever been solved. 151 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.960 When we first started to see the crop circles in 152 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:27.799 this country, they were done again single circles, but they 153 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:31.519 would look like they'd been landed in crop, and because 154 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.360 it's crop, the crops high, so they were much more pronounced. 155 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:37.720 So we were seeing single circles, and we were seeing 156 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:41.200 single circles with concentric rings around the edge, or we'd 157 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.639 see single circles with three or four tiny circles around 158 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:49.200 the edge that make them look like the old b 159 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.919 movie The Day of the Earth did steal tripod UFOs. 160 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:58.519 The key heirstaging is that we can't account for a 161 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.960 lot of those. Even though Doug and Dave then took 162 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:03.840 the mantel up and said that we've done all of them, 163 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:09.519 those original single circles, true researchers will tell you that 164 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:12.399 we still think that they are actually mysterious. We don't 165 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.440 actually know. But the thing is in the Internet age 166 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.559 that we're in now, these things don't get reported anymore 167 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:19.879 because they're not bling enough. 168 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:20.159 You know. 169 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:23.960 Everyone's so you know, into bling and big pictures and 170 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:27.399 fantastic crop circles. These things don't get these things don't 171 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:32.120 get reported. And I've visited some of these things and 172 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.720 the crop is like bent, like six inches up, and 173 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.440 you can't do that with the board. It's like something 174 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.720 has come and swelled, like God's got a drill and 175 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.919 drilled into the crop and then drilled out again, and 176 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:49.679 we can't account for them. But unfortunately, what happened when 177 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.159 the when the led seconding cupboard came in and the 178 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:59.559 picture grams came in, people were still in their collective consciousness, 179 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.840 still had this image of birth UFOs okay, and people 180 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.960 were connecting UFOs to single crop circles. And as soon 181 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.240 as the picture started to occur, everybody knew that no 182 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:16.320 ufo looks like that led zepything cover okay, or no 183 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:19.039 ufo looks like a Yin yang or a sonic symbol. 184 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:24.399 But unfortunately, it was so ingrained in the public consciousness 185 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.759 by that point that they became not landed UFOs that 186 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.559 have flown off again. They became they became messages from 187 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:34.120 our intergol active brothers that are here to save us. 188 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:35.159 They're space brothers. 189 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.559 And that is the part of the phenomenon which I 190 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.919 cannot reconcile because that was such a clunky jump, you know, 191 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.399 and no one's really gone and said, come on, it's 192 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:47.480 obviously a different phenomenon, you know. 193 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.399 And when we started to when you look at the 194 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.279 picture grams and they got better and better and better. 195 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:00.720 Those with a you know, particular start will say, oh, 196 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:04.320 that's because the aliens were revealing their message slowly so 197 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:06.039 we wouldn't get too freaked out. 198 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.399 Yeah, come on, you. 199 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.120 Know it was it was just humans getting better and 200 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.320 better and better, you know. But our contention is that 201 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:20.720 those those picture grams and from all those circles. 202 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.480 On have a human element to them. But that is 203 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:26.879 not to say that there is not a mystery. There's 204 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:32.000 a far deeper mystery than you think. Yeah. 205 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:38.519 So I actually found a the cover of the lad 206 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.879 Zeppelin album that you you were talking about. I mean, 207 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:47.639 this looks all rather rather intricate, like it's it is 208 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:55.080 a beautiful form at least, but so this is not hope. 209 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.039 You can see it like this is I'm looking at it. 210 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:01.639 Yeah, so this is not what crops look like. 211 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.120 No, what I'm saying is that that doesn't look like 212 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:05.519 a berth ufo, does it? 213 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.000 But that is That's one of the first examples where 214 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:14.600 they expanded from single circles and contentric circles and single 215 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.799 circles with with with three or four little circles around 216 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:18.120 the edge. 217 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.919 That that that was the big one where people you know, 218 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.879 looked at it and thought, you know, there's something else. 219 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:27.480 This can't be this can't be human. I can look 220 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.120 at that now and tell you that that could be 221 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:33.440 done pretty easily. You know, with a team of like 222 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.039 four or five people, you could dust that off in 223 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:36.840 a couple of hours. 224 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.559 I'm just looking at how it's done. I mean you 225 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.600 can probably see yourself how it's done. 226 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:47.039 Yeah, I mean if this is supposedly done by a 227 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.120 i mean a singular UFO, for sure, that's not exactly 228 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:57.200 do you happen even if you just you know, like 229 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:03.360 take our like laws of six into accounts, which you know, 230 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.720 if ups exist, we're not sure if they, you know, 231 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.559 work according to the same loss. But just the let's 232 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.440 say that the thing that looks like the like the 233 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.879 tooth of a of a co or a key or 234 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:20.600 something that is just not arrow dynamic. 235 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:30.679 I love that. That's gonna that's gonna slow it down 236 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.759 by a few hundred miles per hour. 237 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.480 Yeah, yeah, for sure, which would make intergalactic travel, uh, 238 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:42.039 you know, last, yeah, take a lot longer. 239 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.120 That's really funny. So that's really maybe. 240 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:50.600 It's a fancy pattern, you know, I'll say that, but 241 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:54.240 for that to like even be a singular UFO, that's 242 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:56.799 weird as UFO. 243 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:01.279 And yeah, you're right, and and at that point it 244 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:04.399 started at that pointment, oh, it's not landed UFOs anymore. 245 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.600 It's messages from our space brothers. 246 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:10.279 And I've always found that really clunky. You know, it's 247 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.519 obviously a different phenomenon. It's obviously you don't have to 248 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:17.440 you know. And yeah, so yeah, we're on the right. 249 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:17.799 The right. 250 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.240 Yeah, no, I mean that's one of the things about 251 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.000 all those mysteries, like you know, Stonehenge in the Pyramids 252 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.120 and all of that, like, oh, you know, it's aliens, 253 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:32.840 it's you know, whatever it was. I mean, as the 254 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.360 name of your substag is, like, it can be humans 255 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:37.960 because we are. 256 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:42.080 Really don't you think we're really dumbing ourselves down here, aren't. 257 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.759 We You know, it's an insult to our ancestors. 258 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:47.799 Yeah, it's an insult to the fact that you know 259 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.960 when he use like, what really freaks me out about 260 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:56.519 this movement is that we are told that we are suppressed, 261 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.279 and we're told that the powers that be don't want 262 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:01.759 us to know how powerful we are because we can, 263 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.639 you know, overthrow them. We're told that we're multi dimensional beings, 264 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.879 and we're told that we are capable of anything. But 265 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.320 the second you say, oh, you know, we can make 266 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.519 pretty patterns in fields, they go, oh, no, you can't 267 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:14.759 have that. 268 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:21.600 Yeah we need that. Yeah we are these all powerful beings. Really, 269 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.080 that are you know, being deceived and kept down and 270 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:28.240 you know, because the man doesn't want us to be 271 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:31.320 that powerful. But oh no, we can do crop circles 272 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:36.279 like that's in order. That's simply not possible. Yeah, all 273 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:37.080 the other things. 274 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:40.320 Are yeah, exactly, and I mean hear this trophy of 275 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:40.720 all time. 276 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.159 They say, well, a team of graphic designers couldn't do 277 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:45.039 this in a week. 278 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.080 Oh come on, you know, Or they say, how. 279 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.200 Can two drunk blokes walking home from the pub do that? Well, 280 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:54.559 of course they can't. But we've got teams of like 281 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.480 twenty people that go out all knowing what they're doing. 282 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.840 We haven't got like these big clunky meat along boards. 283 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.240 We've got meat along boards, we've got half meter boards, 284 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.240 we've got ski square boards and some of the most 285 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:12.319 complicated and all inspiring crop circles that you see. You 286 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.400 don't realize that they don't over two nights because if 287 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.319 we if we pick a high point in Wiltshire, there's 288 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.440 no way that you're going to go up there, you know, 289 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.079 at the highest point in Wiltshire, or if you do, 290 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:26.359 it didn't make the public eye. But there's all there's 291 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.759 all manner of arguments that are against people making them, 292 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:32.319 but you can slam them down with a bit of 293 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.119 logic and by using Ockham's razor. 294 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.160 Do you know Okham's razor is yah, Yeah, exactly. 295 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:43.359 Ockham's razor just absolutely absolutely nails all this down. You know, 296 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.119 you look at the solution with the fewest possibilities, and 297 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:47.960 that's people. 298 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.920 Yeah, it's like the most you know, simplest answer, the 299 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.279 one that would come to mind first is usually the 300 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:56.960 right one. 301 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.839 Yes, I think they say it's the it's the solution 302 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:05.119 which has the fewest assumptions, you know, and that's that's 303 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.720 human beings. Although I must stress with those single circles 304 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.200 that started it, we are still scratching our heads over 305 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:12.319 those a lot of this. 306 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:18.920 Yeah, because you said they were bend a few inches 307 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:19.599 from the ground. 308 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:22.440 I've seen it. I've actually seen see what happens is. 309 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.240 I mean, sometimes you go to a clop circle and 310 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.720 it's a really it's a really pretty pattern, and then 311 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.240 somebody who's really into the subject will say, look, dee, 312 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.720 while you're there, there's something really interesting in the next 313 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:39.720 field that looks like storm damage. Okay, but it's too 314 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:44.119 it's like it's it's too round to be storm damage, 315 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.559 but then but too frayed, you know, to be It's 316 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.119 like it's halfway between. So it looks really bad, so 317 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:53.880 it won't be reported because it's not going to look 318 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.240 good on a calendar. And it looks and it just 319 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:00.240 looks like a frayed circle. It's like a circle one 320 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:02.799 key edges and you could so that's a really bad, 321 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:05.000 you know, man made crop circle. And then you go 322 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:08.440 into it and then the crops light halfway up, you know, 323 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.480 and you think, what's done? That is it's as if 324 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:13.720 that's the real phenomenon, just coming back. 325 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:17.519 And just you know, yeah, like it's just a very 326 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:23.640 very localized like cyclone or just you know, very very small, 327 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.240 very localized is you know, no plot poof gone. 328 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:28.519 Yeah, and that's that. That was actually a theory. It 329 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.039 was called the mead and vortex, and the Meidan vortex. 330 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.799 Was one of the theories about how these things were formed, 331 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.920 and it was to do with I mean, don't I mean, 332 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:37.559 just just look up on the internet. But I think 333 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.599 they were talking about cyclones that appear naturally between two hills. 334 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:47.359 Okay, but as I said, that's the stuff that interests me. Yeah, 335 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.559 I know, I get that, but. 336 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.160 That seems a little a little far fetched, and it 337 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.079 would be more common if if that's the thing. 338 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:59.519 Yeah, yeah, it's but it's those single circles that still 339 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.119 have us scratch in our heads. But you're never seen 340 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.880 reported because we are and we're in a technocratic age now, 341 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:09.279 we're just people want pretty pictures and. 342 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:14.920 It's swipe left. Yeah, and because because of the group circle, well, 343 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.000 because where we are a technology and you know, and 344 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:21.759 everyone's got such a short attention stand they just swipe left. 345 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:27.400 Yeah. No, Unfortunately, and it's it won't sell papers. It 346 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:31.000 won't sell you know nowadays, because you know it has 347 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:35.400 to be the just you know, the large, really pretty. Yeah, 348 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.839 and if it's just very badly made man made one 349 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:43.599 is like, that's not gonna sell unless we finish it. 350 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:49.920 Yeah, I've seen that happen, so yeah. Yeah, So you 351 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:51.599 can see a wonky and I think that's a really 352 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:53.920 bad man maner for it. It's actually like a single 353 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.319 circle that's been whisked and you think, no, that's. 354 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:56.799 Not man made. 355 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:58.920 I don't know what is what that is, but that's 356 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.319 what kicks off the phenomen and then you know, I 357 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:03.720 think I think they're two different phenomena. I think the 358 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.160 original single circles was something completely different to what you're 359 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:07.640 seeing now. 360 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.279 I mean, that wouldn't surprise me, like what I'm what 361 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.440 I'm thinking, And I would love your your opinion on this, 362 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:21.759 Like do you do you think there's any like kind 363 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:27.480 of connection between crop circles, I'd say the original circles 364 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.240 and fairy rings. 365 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:32.880 Of course, of course it's the same thing. 366 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:35.200 It's the same thing. 367 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:36.400 Yeah, of course it is. 368 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:39.480 As I said to you when we did across the Pond, 369 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:44.359 it's cultural tracking. As I said to you, the stranger account, 370 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.799 the strangeness that we're going to get into today. I've 371 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:49.519 only really seen that happen in the key modelithic sites 372 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:51.559 that we worked that we worked in, like Apriy and 373 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:58.400 the Tumulaian Stonehenge. But that people say to me, well, 374 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.119 you know, do you do you see UOPs over crop 375 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:03.240 circles as you're making them? Do you see UFOs? 376 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:06.680 Yeah? But the locals have been seeing this ship for 377 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.160 for for hundreds of years have and they called them 378 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:09.839 different things. 379 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:13.279 We had fairy lights, we hadnature spirits, they were sprites, 380 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:18.079 they were what we would say as abduction by grays. 381 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:21.519 They were talking away with the fairies and then they'd 382 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:25.599 be missing time. And I've got friends that have become 383 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:29.640 completely disillusioned with crop circles because of the infighting and 384 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.559 the politics, and they just come to Wilchair now just 385 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.839 to do night watches and they see the strange phenomenon. 386 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.599 Whether the crop circles are here or not, it's here anyway. 387 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:44.319 We just believe that the crop circles are exacerbating the 388 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.200 power here. And it's like they're like jump leads, you know, 389 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.960 it's like temporary jump leads if you see what. 390 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:56.839 I mean, yeah, like kind of like somadic patterns for example. 391 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:03.720 It just it amplifies the for all vibrations that are already. 392 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.000 There, yeah, or discharges them. 393 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:07.680 Yeah yeah, yeah example. 394 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.440 Yeah. Absolutely. But that's what I think we were. All 395 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:12.279 we're doing, is. 396 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.400 We're just carrying on the tradition of our four bears 397 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:21.440 who made the stone circles. And as I saituate across 398 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:24.200 the pond, my serious belief is that our four bears 399 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.400 new something that we don't. And I think the technocratic 400 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:33.359 age is really kick this out of us, but at the. 401 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.839