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Speaker 3: Gema for we trust. Welcome, Welcome, I'm back everyone to
Speaker 3: the Greyhorn Pagans podcast once more. Once again, it's been
Speaker 3: a while since I recorded a new podcast. Actually, we're
Speaker 3: doing a lot of other videos of course, Crypted with
Speaker 3: Fox and Fay the project that I have with the
Speaker 3: with the Wife. But for today, I have a very
Speaker 3: special guests two to introduce to announce. He goes by
Speaker 3: D or Citizen D. And there is a reason for
Speaker 3: the anonymity, which is something that we actually will get
Speaker 3: into on this this show, on this this episode. So D,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for for joining me on my
Speaker 3: own show today. Of course, had I had a little
Speaker 3: little chat on Across the Pond as well, but not
Speaker 3: on my own channel yet, and I thought, like, this
Speaker 3: is so incredibly interesting, and we already on Across the Pond,
Speaker 3: we already touched on a bit of the like more
Speaker 3: accult mystic side of of things, and on my own
Speaker 3: channel I can actually like get deeper into into that
Speaker 3: because that's what I do. So yeah, thank you for
Speaker 3: joining me.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. I think.
Speaker 6: I think what you're doing and what I'm going to
Speaker 6: talk about is quite aligned. Actually I can see the
Speaker 6: parallels already, which is cool. I've been looking forward to
Speaker 6: this one. Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. So for everyone who
Speaker 3: may not know just yet you haven't watched Across the
Speaker 3: Pond or any of the other shows that you have done.
Speaker 3: Tell the people like, what do you what are you about?
Speaker 3: Why the why the secrecy, why the anonymity, What's what's
Speaker 3: up with that?
Speaker 6: Three reasons, all of them nice easy to explain. First one,
Speaker 6: a really pleasant one, is the fact that we think
Speaker 6: that crop circles should should should remain authored. Because when
Speaker 6: I used to go and visit the crop circles as
Speaker 6: a believer before I took the start side.
Speaker 2: Take now, I live quite near Wiltshare, or I live.
Speaker 6: Quite near watch you at the time, and if I
Speaker 6: knew there was ten crop circles but two were definitely
Speaker 6: man made, I wouldn't bother to go to those two.
Speaker 6: So there is this demystification element, if you see what
Speaker 6: I mean. So I just in case, I let slip
Speaker 6: of any circles that you know that I became involved in.
Speaker 2: I liked.
Speaker 6: We like the circles to speak, right, We want the
Speaker 6: work to speak rather than the author. And this is
Speaker 6: not an ego thing. So the second that a crop
Speaker 6: circle is exposed as being man made or it's authored,
Speaker 6: then the whole even years on, the whole thing is
Speaker 6: like the whole magic is sunked out of it. Okay,
Speaker 6: so that that's one reason. The second reason is that
Speaker 6: it's it's illegal to make crop circles, So even though
Speaker 6: it's not a police matter, there's no statue of libertations.
Speaker 2: So ten years on, even though I stopped.
Speaker 6: Doing it ten years ago, if a farmer connects me
Speaker 6: to a circle that I made on his land, that's
Speaker 6: criminal damage vandalism, even if it's a nice circle and.
Speaker 2: It's trespassed.
Speaker 6: So I don't want to open myself up to especially
Speaker 6: with the industry that I'm in now, it's different to
Speaker 6: the industry that I was in at the time, and
Speaker 6: my current industry is not conducive to criminal activity.
Speaker 2: And the third reason is that.
Speaker 6: It's a very contentious subject what I'll be talking about today.
Speaker 6: And I've got a very pleasant home life, a very
Speaker 6: pleasant private life. I've got a beautiful job, I've got
Speaker 6: a beautiful wife, and I'd like to keep and ring
Speaker 6: fence that stuff away from my.
Speaker 2: Other stuff.
Speaker 3: You finally got on the straight and narrow, So let's
Speaker 3: keep on the straight and narrow and leaf leave the
Speaker 3: past in the past.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I I totally understand, and I hope by
Speaker 5: this explanation that my my audience does too, and you
Speaker 5: already hinted at it that you are a former crop
Speaker 5: circle maker designer, which probably goes against what everyone thinks
Speaker 5: like crop circles like there those are like you know,
Speaker 5: aliens and stuff.
Speaker 3: Right, Like what do you mean they're mad made? Like
Speaker 3: that's that's how like how is that even possible? They're so?
Speaker 2: But what what what I hope to come into today?
Speaker 2: What I hope is gonna he's going to open up.
Speaker 6: I mean I did a podcast on Saturday with an
Speaker 6: Australian guy two hours and it took a while for
Speaker 6: them to open up and realize.
Speaker 2: What I was talking about.
Speaker 6: But the thing is this uthology like ceiology, which is
Speaker 6: crop circles.
Speaker 2: It's not and wicker. It's not black and white. It
Speaker 2: is gray. Okay. So it's not black and white. It's
Speaker 2: man made. It's not man made or these.
Speaker 6: Are structured craft or its et or it's not eaty.
Speaker 6: It's there's a very gray area, okay. And it's the
Speaker 6: gray area that excites me.
Speaker 2: Okay. So the reason why my.
Speaker 6: Substack is called it can't be People is because when
Speaker 6: I saw my first crop circle and I went and
Speaker 6: I went into it, I thought this cannot be people.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: When I realized the truth that we'll be talking about today,
Speaker 6: I realized that even if there are people involved, there
Speaker 6: is still something else going on, So it can't be
Speaker 6: people exclusively.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that absolutely makes sense. And the gray area,
Speaker 3: I mean you've come to the right guy, to the
Speaker 3: right show for that. Like we are the Gray range
Speaker 3: begans of course for a reason, so they are man made.
Speaker 3: They're not man made, so like we kind of you know,
Speaker 3: God into that with across the ponds. But just for
Speaker 3: the like the very like basic.
Speaker 6: You need to look at the history, okay. And the
Speaker 6: history is that with the original this all even though
Speaker 6: there's been reports of single circles. You had this thing
Speaker 6: about the main devil from the sixteen hundreds, where this
Speaker 6: thing we've done in Hertfordshire. If you speak to serious
Speaker 6: crop circle you know, serious researches that are are not biased,
Speaker 6: and they're not you know, they've got they haven't got
Speaker 6: their own narrative. We think that that is actually a
Speaker 6: bit of a spanner in the works and we don't
Speaker 6: think that that that that that mowing devil is actually connected, Okay,
Speaker 6: because it's cut okay, and it's also not in a
Speaker 6: key area either.
Speaker 2: Okay. So the.
Speaker 6: Crop circles started in Australia with the seventies Talinists, and
Speaker 6: they were they looked like berthed flying saucers in grass,
Speaker 6: and to this day, I don't think that's ever been solved.
Speaker 6: When we first started to see the crop circles in
Speaker 6: this country, they were done again single circles, but they
Speaker 6: would look like they'd been landed in crop, and because
Speaker 6: it's crop, the crops high, so they were much more pronounced.
Speaker 6: So we were seeing single circles, and we were seeing
Speaker 6: single circles with concentric rings around the edge, or we'd
Speaker 6: see single circles with three or four tiny circles around
Speaker 6: the edge that make them look like the old b
Speaker 6: movie The Day of the Earth did steal tripod UFOs.
Speaker 6: The key heirstaging is that we can't account for a
Speaker 6: lot of those. Even though Doug and Dave then took
Speaker 6: the mantel up and said that we've done all of them,
Speaker 6: those original single circles, true researchers will tell you that
Speaker 6: we still think that they are actually mysterious. We don't
Speaker 6: actually know. But the thing is in the Internet age
Speaker 6: that we're in now, these things don't get reported anymore
Speaker 6: because they're not bling enough.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Everyone's so you know, into bling and big pictures and
Speaker 6: fantastic crop circles. These things don't get these things don't
Speaker 6: get reported. And I've visited some of these things and
Speaker 6: the crop is like bent, like six inches up, and
Speaker 6: you can't do that with the board. It's like something
Speaker 6: has come and swelled, like God's got a drill and
Speaker 6: drilled into the crop and then drilled out again, and
Speaker 6: we can't account for them. But unfortunately, what happened when
Speaker 6: the when the led seconding cupboard came in and the
Speaker 6: picture grams came in, people were still in their collective consciousness,
Speaker 6: still had this image of birth UFOs okay, and people
Speaker 6: were connecting UFOs to single crop circles. And as soon
Speaker 6: as the picture started to occur, everybody knew that no
Speaker 6: ufo looks like that led zepything cover okay, or no
Speaker 6: ufo looks like a Yin yang or a sonic symbol.
Speaker 6: But unfortunately, it was so ingrained in the public consciousness
Speaker 6: by that point that they became not landed UFOs that
Speaker 6: have flown off again. They became they became messages from
Speaker 6: our intergol active brothers that are here to save us.
Speaker 2: They're space brothers.
Speaker 6: And that is the part of the phenomenon which I
Speaker 6: cannot reconcile because that was such a clunky jump, you know,
Speaker 6: and no one's really gone and said, come on, it's
Speaker 6: obviously a different phenomenon, you know.
Speaker 2: And when we started to when you look at the
Speaker 2: picture grams and they got better and better and better.
Speaker 6: Those with a you know, particular start will say, oh,
Speaker 6: that's because the aliens were revealing their message slowly so
Speaker 6: we wouldn't get too freaked out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, you.
Speaker 6: Know it was it was just humans getting better and
Speaker 6: better and better, you know. But our contention is that
Speaker 6: those those picture grams and from all those circles.
Speaker 2: On have a human element to them. But that is
Speaker 2: not to say that there is not a mystery. There's
Speaker 2: a far deeper mystery than you think. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I actually found a the cover of the lad
Speaker 3: Zeppelin album that you you were talking about. I mean,
Speaker 3: this looks all rather rather intricate, like it's it is
Speaker 3: a beautiful form at least, but so this is not hope.
Speaker 2: You can see it like this is I'm looking at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is not what crops look like.
Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is that that doesn't look like
Speaker 2: a berth ufo, does it?
Speaker 6: But that is That's one of the first examples where
Speaker 6: they expanded from single circles and contentric circles and single
Speaker 6: circles with with with three or four little circles around
Speaker 6: the edge.
Speaker 2: That that that was the big one where people you know,
Speaker 2: looked at it and thought, you know, there's something else.
Speaker 6: This can't be this can't be human. I can look
Speaker 6: at that now and tell you that that could be
Speaker 6: done pretty easily. You know, with a team of like
Speaker 6: four or five people, you could dust that off in
Speaker 6: a couple of hours.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at how it's done. I mean you
Speaker 2: can probably see yourself how it's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if this is supposedly done by a
Speaker 3: i mean a singular UFO, for sure, that's not exactly
Speaker 3: do you happen even if you just you know, like
Speaker 3: take our like laws of six into accounts, which you know,
Speaker 3: if ups exist, we're not sure if they, you know,
Speaker 3: work according to the same loss. But just the let's
Speaker 3: say that the thing that looks like the like the
Speaker 3: tooth of a of a co or a key or
Speaker 3: something that is just not arrow dynamic.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's gonna that's gonna slow it down
Speaker 2: by a few hundred miles per hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, which would make intergalactic travel, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, last, yeah, take a lot longer.
Speaker 2: That's really funny. So that's really maybe.
Speaker 3: It's a fancy pattern, you know, I'll say that, but
Speaker 3: for that to like even be a singular UFO, that's
Speaker 3: weird as UFO.
Speaker 6: And yeah, you're right, and and at that point it
Speaker 6: started at that pointment, oh, it's not landed UFOs anymore.
Speaker 2: It's messages from our space brothers.
Speaker 6: And I've always found that really clunky. You know, it's
Speaker 6: obviously a different phenomenon. It's obviously you don't have to
Speaker 6: you know. And yeah, so yeah, we're on the right.
Speaker 2: The right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean that's one of the things about
Speaker 3: all those mysteries, like you know, Stonehenge in the Pyramids
Speaker 3: and all of that, like, oh, you know, it's aliens,
Speaker 3: it's you know, whatever it was. I mean, as the
Speaker 3: name of your substag is, like, it can be humans
Speaker 3: because we are.
Speaker 6: Really don't you think we're really dumbing ourselves down here, aren't.
Speaker 3: We You know, it's an insult to our ancestors.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an insult to the fact that you know
Speaker 6: when he use like, what really freaks me out about
Speaker 6: this movement is that we are told that we are suppressed,
Speaker 6: and we're told that the powers that be don't want
Speaker 6: us to know how powerful we are because we can,
Speaker 6: you know, overthrow them. We're told that we're multi dimensional beings,
Speaker 6: and we're told that we are capable of anything. But
Speaker 6: the second you say, oh, you know, we can make
Speaker 6: pretty patterns in fields, they go, oh, no, you can't
Speaker 6: have that.
Speaker 3: Yeah we need that. Yeah we are these all powerful beings. Really,
Speaker 3: that are you know, being deceived and kept down and
Speaker 3: you know, because the man doesn't want us to be
Speaker 3: that powerful. But oh no, we can do crop circles
Speaker 3: like that's in order. That's simply not possible. Yeah, all
Speaker 3: the other things.
Speaker 2: Are yeah, exactly, and I mean hear this trophy of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 6: They say, well, a team of graphic designers couldn't do
Speaker 6: this in a week.
Speaker 2: Oh come on, you know, Or they say, how.
Speaker 6: Can two drunk blokes walking home from the pub do that? Well,
Speaker 6: of course they can't. But we've got teams of like
Speaker 6: twenty people that go out all knowing what they're doing.
Speaker 6: We haven't got like these big clunky meat along boards.
Speaker 6: We've got meat along boards, we've got half meter boards,
Speaker 6: we've got ski square boards and some of the most
Speaker 6: complicated and all inspiring crop circles that you see. You
Speaker 6: don't realize that they don't over two nights because if
Speaker 6: we if we pick a high point in Wiltshire, there's
Speaker 6: no way that you're going to go up there, you know,
Speaker 6: at the highest point in Wiltshire, or if you do,
Speaker 6: it didn't make the public eye. But there's all there's
Speaker 6: all manner of arguments that are against people making them,
Speaker 6: but you can slam them down with a bit of
Speaker 6: logic and by using Ockham's razor.
Speaker 2: Do you know Okham's razor is yah, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Ockham's razor just absolutely absolutely nails all this down. You know,
Speaker 6: you look at the solution with the fewest possibilities, and
Speaker 6: that's people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the most you know, simplest answer, the
Speaker 3: one that would come to mind first is usually the
Speaker 3: right one.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think they say it's the it's the solution
Speaker 6: which has the fewest assumptions, you know, and that's that's
Speaker 6: human beings. Although I must stress with those single circles
Speaker 6: that started it, we are still scratching our heads over
Speaker 6: those a lot of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you said they were bend a few inches
Speaker 3: from the ground.
Speaker 6: I've seen it. I've actually seen see what happens is.
Speaker 6: I mean, sometimes you go to a clop circle and
Speaker 6: it's a really it's a really pretty pattern, and then
Speaker 6: somebody who's really into the subject will say, look, dee,
Speaker 6: while you're there, there's something really interesting in the next
Speaker 6: field that looks like storm damage. Okay, but it's too
Speaker 6: it's like it's it's too round to be storm damage,
Speaker 6: but then but too frayed, you know, to be It's
Speaker 6: like it's halfway between. So it looks really bad, so
Speaker 6: it won't be reported because it's not going to look
Speaker 6: good on a calendar. And it looks and it just
Speaker 6: looks like a frayed circle. It's like a circle one
Speaker 6: key edges and you could so that's a really bad,
Speaker 6: you know, man made crop circle. And then you go
Speaker 6: into it and then the crops light halfway up, you know,
Speaker 6: and you think, what's done? That is it's as if
Speaker 6: that's the real phenomenon, just coming back.
Speaker 3: And just you know, yeah, like it's just a very
Speaker 3: very localized like cyclone or just you know, very very small,
Speaker 3: very localized is you know, no plot poof gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that. That was actually a theory. It
Speaker 2: was called the mead and vortex, and the Meidan vortex.
Speaker 6: Was one of the theories about how these things were formed,
Speaker 6: and it was to do with I mean, don't I mean,
Speaker 6: just just look up on the internet. But I think
Speaker 6: they were talking about cyclones that appear naturally between two hills.
Speaker 2: Okay, but as I said, that's the stuff that interests me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I get that, but.
Speaker 3: That seems a little a little far fetched, and it
Speaker 3: would be more common if if that's the thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's but it's those single circles that still
Speaker 6: have us scratch in our heads. But you're never seen
Speaker 6: reported because we are and we're in a technocratic age now,
Speaker 6: we're just people want pretty pictures and.
Speaker 2: It's swipe left. Yeah, and because because of the group circle, well,
Speaker 2: because where we are a technology and you know, and
Speaker 2: everyone's got such a short attention stand they just swipe left.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, Unfortunately, and it's it won't sell papers. It
Speaker 3: won't sell you know nowadays, because you know it has
Speaker 3: to be the just you know, the large, really pretty. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and if it's just very badly made man made one
Speaker 3: is like, that's not gonna sell unless we finish it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've seen that happen, so yeah. Yeah, So you
Speaker 6: can see a wonky and I think that's a really
Speaker 6: bad man maner for it. It's actually like a single
Speaker 6: circle that's been whisked and you think, no, that's.
Speaker 2: Not man made.
Speaker 6: I don't know what is what that is, but that's
Speaker 6: what kicks off the phenomen and then you know, I
Speaker 6: think I think they're two different phenomena. I think the
Speaker 6: original single circles was something completely different to what you're
Speaker 6: seeing now.
Speaker 3: I mean, that wouldn't surprise me, like what I'm what
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, And I would love your your opinion on this,
Speaker 3: Like do you do you think there's any like kind
Speaker 3: of connection between crop circles, I'd say the original circles
Speaker 3: and fairy rings.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course it's the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 6: As I said to you when we did across the Pond,
Speaker 6: it's cultural tracking. As I said to you, the stranger account,
Speaker 6: the strangeness that we're going to get into today. I've
Speaker 6: only really seen that happen in the key modelithic sites
Speaker 6: that we worked that we worked in, like Apriy and
Speaker 6: the Tumulaian Stonehenge. But that people say to me, well,
Speaker 6: you know, do you do you see UOPs over crop
Speaker 6: circles as you're making them? Do you see UFOs?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But the locals have been seeing this ship for
Speaker 2: for for hundreds of years have and they called them
Speaker 2: different things.
Speaker 6: We had fairy lights, we hadnature spirits, they were sprites,
Speaker 6: they were what we would say as abduction by grays.
Speaker 6: They were talking away with the fairies and then they'd
Speaker 6: be missing time. And I've got friends that have become
Speaker 6: completely disillusioned with crop circles because of the infighting and
Speaker 6: the politics, and they just come to Wilchair now just
Speaker 6: to do night watches and they see the strange phenomenon.
Speaker 6: Whether the crop circles are here or not, it's here anyway.
Speaker 6: We just believe that the crop circles are exacerbating the
Speaker 6: power here. And it's like they're like jump leads, you know,
Speaker 6: it's like temporary jump leads if you see what.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like kind of like somadic patterns for example.
Speaker 3: It just it amplifies the for all vibrations that are already.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, or discharges them.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah example.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. But that's what I think we were. All
Speaker 2: we're doing, is.
Speaker 6: We're just carrying on the tradition of our four bears
Speaker 6: who made the stone circles. And as I saituate across
Speaker 6: the pond, my serious belief is that our four bears
Speaker 6: new something that we don't. And I think the technocratic
Speaker 6: age is really kick this out of us, but at the.
Speaker 3: Same time also you know, kind of bringing it back,
Speaker 3: you know, the age of information.
Speaker 2: It is a you know, it is a.
Speaker 3: Two way blade really because I mean, you know, misinformation
Speaker 3: or disinformation or however they prefer to call it is
Speaker 3: you know, of course very prominent. Anyone can say, you
Speaker 3: know anything, really and it's the Internet, like you know,
Speaker 3: go fact check, and with the short of our attention span,
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna bother. It's just like, oh, you know, he
Speaker 3: says it very convincingly true. Sure whatever, that's that's where
Speaker 3: you want to believe. But also the things that you
Speaker 3: know would have stayed hidden otherwise are now far more
Speaker 3: easily acceptable. It's it's like, I mean, you could see
Speaker 3: the Internet as kind of a new new ish like
Speaker 3: library of Alexandria. And at the same time, if we're
Speaker 3: going like a little bit more of the spiritual route,
Speaker 3: the uh the Akashak records. Yes, everything that you know,
Speaker 3: if you have a digital footprint, and most of us
Speaker 3: start pretty young, you know, even younger with the generations
Speaker 3: now because the Internet is so normalized, like your digital
Speaker 3: footprint is kind of becoming the Akashak records. It is
Speaker 3: a timeline of you, of whatever you have done, you know,
Speaker 3: even simple things as you know, like the memories that
Speaker 3: pop up every now and then on Facebook or Google photos,
Speaker 3: like hey remember like this one from like five years ago.
Speaker 3: That's that's record keeping. That is kind of like a
Speaker 3: cashik records because you know, like remember what happened? Can
Speaker 3: you place yourself back in into that that time? And
Speaker 3: it is also what I'm trying to do with you know,
Speaker 3: with green or Pagans to bring it back to you know,
Speaker 3: the human consciousness of what our forefathers are for bearers,
Speaker 3: you know, how they lived, what they believed and everything.
Speaker 3: And also to like hopefully kind of reintroduce it again,
Speaker 3: like reintroduce the traditional living, the traditional way of thinking
Speaker 3: to tell, you know, the stories of our ancest stairs
Speaker 3: where whether they are you know, actual tales or fairy tales,
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of truth and fairy tales to
Speaker 3: be found as well.
Speaker 2: When you said the fairy rings, where you talking about
Speaker 2: the imprints that used to be seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like actual fairy rings. Like my wife is
Speaker 3: I mean, she would have loved this, but she also
Speaker 3: has a day job, still still working on it. She
Speaker 3: is very closely connected to the Faye Is also said
Speaker 3: when you see like a mushroom ring, that like those
Speaker 3: are fairy rings, and there's a lot of energy you know,
Speaker 3: to be had and to be felt if you step
Speaker 3: into that ring. And I can imagine, you know, especially
Speaker 3: in certain places, that it is a lot stronger and
Speaker 3: maybe under certain conditions it would rise up or maybe
Speaker 3: even be pulled down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it That it's all the stuff
Speaker 6: that Carl Jung spoke about towards you know, when it's
Speaker 6: really it's I think it's really interesting that it was
Speaker 6: that it was actual circles that were seen because it's
Speaker 6: such an archetype, you know, and everything, everything flows from,
Speaker 6: everything flows to and it's you're drawn to it, aren't
Speaker 6: you in a way that you might you might not
Speaker 6: be drawn to another shape. It's such an important shape
Speaker 6: and it's.
Speaker 3: The most natural one there is. Is why we're still
Speaker 3: use it for you know, so many things. Why it
Speaker 3: feels like the most natural shape.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, because it's tail, it goes on and oh yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 6: there's that dream about that isn't there. But yeah, because
Speaker 6: we see ice circles. The people that argue that crop
Speaker 6: circles can't be in man made say, well, you know
Speaker 6: they're made in ice that they made all these other
Speaker 6: on these other platforms, and we go, yeah, but that's
Speaker 6: the single circles. You can't have it both ways, you know,
Speaker 6: you know. And I was I did an interview on
Speaker 6: Saturday and they were talking about anonymaties such as scorched earth,
Speaker 6: and there was there was all these mysteries that you
Speaker 6: see and that you saw in the original crop circles,
Speaker 6: and I said, you can't have it both ways. You
Speaker 6: can't apply that that you can't apply those controls to
Speaker 6: the picture grams because it's a different it's a different phenomenon,
Speaker 6: you know, And it just seems to be that the
Speaker 6: reason why I'm doing this is because we had a
Speaker 6: really bad season last year. It's almost I mean, I
Speaker 6: think there was seven circles. There's only like two worth
Speaker 6: looking at. And it's almost like the phenomenon has given up.
Speaker 6: Because back in the heyday when I was making them,
Speaker 6: there was like we're having sixty a year, you know.
Speaker 6: But now it's almost as if I'm very interested in
Speaker 6: the fact that with that this disclosure is going on.
Speaker 6: A crop circle makers said to me, there were days
Speaker 6: you're just carrying on this traditional disclosure because you know,
Speaker 6: now that the vuhlomena seems to have finished. It's not
Speaker 6: a bad time to be doing this, because I started
Speaker 6: to do this in twenty eighteen, but I had really
Speaker 6: terrible luck.
Speaker 2: I told you, I was really been driven. Some really bad,
Speaker 2: not terrible.
Speaker 6: Things happened, but it was enough to say stop doing it,
Speaker 6: you know. But it just seems that with the phenomenon,
Speaker 6: I mean, the thing is, you can't second gainst this phenomenon.
Speaker 6: The could be sixty next year, you know, you can't
Speaker 6: second guess it. But it does look as if we're
Speaker 6: winding down now, and it's not a bad time for
Speaker 6: us to be saying there's something else going on, or
Speaker 6: something else did go on, but it's not the mystery
Speaker 6: that you are necessarily looking for. There is a consciousness
Speaker 6: at play. And when we make crop circles, we think
Speaker 6: we're making these decisions ourselves. We're thinking that we can
Speaker 6: be designs ourselves. Then you go to do a crop circle,
Speaker 6: you find that someone's already done it, and it's someone
Speaker 6: that you did no, and then there's bickering, somebody saying
Speaker 6: how did you see my diagram?
Speaker 2: And then the penny drops and you go, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: this is okay.
Speaker 6: What's happening is that three of us had this idea
Speaker 6: implanted and one of us was going to do it,
Speaker 6: you know. And it seems to be that what we
Speaker 6: think is free will is like there's something else at play.
Speaker 6: We're being played, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean you could call it the like the collective consciousness,
Speaker 3: unconsciousness or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm totally into that.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is that this is the one the
Speaker 6: one area where are different from like Diehrde research, is
Speaker 6: that you know, I've got an agenda anyone can set
Speaker 6: themselves up as a crop circle, research it tomorrow, okay,
Speaker 6: but you and you can do it with whatever a
Speaker 6: gender you like.
Speaker 2: Okay. But what we're saying is that there is something.
Speaker 6: Else at play, and it's it's it's It doesn't mean
Speaker 6: to say that it's not still a big mystery, you know.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely. I mean you, like you're told one of
Speaker 3: those stories on across the Pond, how.
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 3: Like a fellow crop circle maker, he just had this
Speaker 3: just this sudden urge of you know, like just needing
Speaker 3: to create a circle, even though it was like midnight
Speaker 3: or past midnight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a big one.
Speaker 6: Because he was in bed and he'd had a couple
Speaker 6: of glasses of wine and he was really snug, and
Speaker 6: there was nowhere he'd want to be less than a
Speaker 6: field at midnight.
Speaker 1: And he had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just said he felt shaken awake. That's
Speaker 2: the key thing.
Speaker 6: He said, I felt roughly shaken away, but there was
Speaker 6: no one else in the room, and I looked at
Speaker 6: the clock in it as midnight on the dot on
Speaker 6: the dot, and he was like, told you have to
Speaker 6: go and make this crop circle. And he's going no,
Speaker 6: I don't please leave me alone, you know, And he
Speaker 6: said he had to go. Not because he was like
Speaker 6: responding to a calling, but it was the same thing
Speaker 6: as when your cat's hungry and it will not stop
Speaker 6: scratching you until it's fed.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean that's why I have this scratch
Speaker 3: on my nose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It wasn't a joyous response to
Speaker 2: a calling. It was if I don't get up and
Speaker 2: do this, it's not going to go away.
Speaker 6: So he'd had a couple of he'd had a couple
Speaker 6: of glasses of wine, so he couldn't drive, and he
Speaker 6: was being directed to this specific field and it was
Speaker 6: too like to a rash on the team because it
Speaker 6: was midnight, okay, and you should you should really be
Speaker 6: starting to do a crop circle at ten o'clock, really,
Speaker 6: because you've got this this five hour window between ten
Speaker 6: and three. And contrary to what people think, we don't
Speaker 6: need flash bulbs or lights. Your eyes become adjusted very
Speaker 6: very very quickly to the dark. Okay, And it takes
Speaker 6: about fifteen minutes, but in that fifty minutes actually walking
Speaker 6: into the field anyway, your eyes becoming a custom anyway,
Speaker 6: So he got his kit out of the car and
Speaker 6: he was walking, which is already stupid thing to do,
Speaker 6: you know, walking.
Speaker 2: With his kit.
Speaker 6: And the field wasn't too far from where he was,
Speaker 6: but he was tired, and he walked into he thought,
Speaker 6: I've had enough of this, and he walked into another
Speaker 6: crop field. He said, I'll do it here instead. It
Speaker 6: was if it was shay up. And he went to
Speaker 6: do it, and he just had this nauseous feeling, this
Speaker 6: thing between the eyes, like the chakra thing really bad.
Speaker 6: Nearly threw up nausea, really ill not feel it throughout,
Speaker 6: but he was really ill. And it was like saying, no,
Speaker 6: not here, don't trickers. And he went to the field
Speaker 6: that was allotted, and the crop circle was a little
Speaker 6: bit beyond his capabilities. And because and this is a
Speaker 6: little trick of the trade, if you're doing one by yourself,
Speaker 6: you can use tent You can use a tent peg
Speaker 6: to substitute the other team member. Okay, So he was
Speaker 6: using a tent peg, split spreading out the tape.
Speaker 2: Did all the crab steps, blah blah.
Speaker 6: And he said the second that he started to do
Speaker 6: it in the right place, he got this energy surge
Speaker 6: and he wasn't tired anymore. And this cosmic red bull
Speaker 6: we call it. It's absolutely awake, rejuvenated. And he said
Speaker 6: the crop circle was beyond my capability. But I thought
Speaker 6: I'd made mistakes, but when I looked, they weren't. The
Speaker 6: mistakes weren't there. He said, I got it done. And
Speaker 6: then the next he said, I've virtually fell asleep on
Speaker 6: the spot. I dropped to sleep about three o'clock and
Speaker 6: he said, I'd hid my boards and I hit my
Speaker 6: tape and I hit my stuff. And the next morning,
Speaker 6: these girls are just freaking out in his circle, just
Speaker 6: freaking out, and he's going, well, he's all right, it's
Speaker 6: not that good, you know, And he just pretended that
Speaker 6: he'd been asleep and he just got there and fell asleep.
Speaker 6: He just you know, they couldn't see his kit, and anyway,
Speaker 6: he said, what's going on?
Speaker 2: This as well?
Speaker 6: You know, turned up. They were Wickens and it's a
Speaker 6: group of three girls and they said that they had
Speaker 6: she's one of the girls was grappling for this pendant
Speaker 6: around her neck, and of course you can guess the
Speaker 6: rest the pendant was exactly what it imprinted into the land.
Speaker 6: And she said that they'd done an invocation and that
Speaker 6: they had supplicated Mother Earth to imprint her talisman into
Speaker 6: the field, into that field, and of course the penny
Speaker 6: drop with them. My friend and he said, well, you know,
Speaker 6: out of interest, when did you start doing that? And
Speaker 6: they said, well, of course we started at midnight because
Speaker 6: that's been Mother Nature is a most you know, potent.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Between yeah, you know, if you're doing like spells,
Speaker 3: between twelve and like, between mid buying and three am
Speaker 3: is usually the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So M he said his name, and M was
Speaker 2: the conduit.
Speaker 6: Okay, And as I said when I spoke to you
Speaker 6: and doctor, we're not special, We're not channeled, We're not
Speaker 6: like anointed or the chosen ones. It just seems to
Speaker 6: be that those of us that have got a deep
Speaker 6: seated not interest or are aligned to the paranormal because
Speaker 6: a lot of the people that I make crop circles
Speaker 6: are very spiritual people. If you're aligned to the phenomenon,
Speaker 6: it kind of seeps in. Okay, and like uses you.
Speaker 6: And my definition of a hoaxed crop circle is something
Speaker 6: that is now sort of being listened to by the
Speaker 6: circle makers because I'm doing a lot of these, and
Speaker 6: my definition of a hoaxed cropt circle. It's not a
Speaker 6: circle that's made by people. It's a scrup circle that's
Speaker 6: made by people for the wrong reasons. So, if you
Speaker 6: are making a crop circle for deceit, or you're doing
Speaker 6: it as ego to show off to somebody, to a
Speaker 6: girl or something, or if you're doing it to laugh
Speaker 6: at the tourists the next day and say, look at
Speaker 6: all these idiots in my crop circle, ha ha ha,
Speaker 6: that's a hoaxed crop circle.
Speaker 2: If you make a crop circle for art, that's a
Speaker 2: hoaxed crop circle. But it's okay. Art is fine, Okay.
Speaker 6: If you make a circle to as part of an
Speaker 6: advertising campaign, which is common, that's a hoax.
Speaker 2: That's a hoxed crop circle, okay. A true crop circle, our.
Speaker 6: Definition is one that is made with deference and respect
Speaker 6: to the land in which you place it, and it's
Speaker 6: one that's made with its spiritual intent, and it's one
Speaker 6: that's made perhaps with something else externalizing it, but it's
Speaker 6: one that's made with good intent.
Speaker 2: And something I didn't tell you, which I forgot to
Speaker 2: tell you last time, was that.
Speaker 6: The first one that I was involved in, we had
Speaker 6: that they do in cantations the crop circle makers doing
Speaker 6: cantations so that they al it's not scripted, it's it's
Speaker 6: toll from the heart and un paraphrasing. But before we start,
Speaker 6: the team leader will generally say, protect us in our endeavors,
Speaker 6: protect us from being caught basically, and protect us from mistakes,
Speaker 6: and please endeavor to make this a great crop circle,
Speaker 6: and please endeavor to make sure that people that visit
Speaker 6: it physically or spiritually afterwards through the Internet or whatever
Speaker 6: have a positive experience.
Speaker 3: Oh fascinating. So I mean, yeah, that that shows you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of respect and also you know,
Speaker 3: just very knowledgeable, like know what they are, what they
Speaker 3: are supposed to do. I mean, like I'm thinking back
Speaker 3: to everything that my my wife has you know, taught
Speaker 3: me about witchcraft and the the like the spells and
Speaker 3: the rituals that we did together, and something that is
Speaker 3: like really really important is you know, to give thanks
Speaker 3: and to be respectful.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker 6: And we've got this mantra where we say, for as
Speaker 6: long as we're working on it, that crop circle is ours,
Speaker 6: but the second that we leave it, it doesn't belong
Speaker 6: to us anymore.
Speaker 2: It there belongs to the world.
Speaker 6: And what's the interesting is that I've been interviewing a
Speaker 6: lot of crop circle makers and the ones that do
Speaker 6: it for art or they do it for demonstration purposes.
Speaker 6: Like there's a couple of Italian people that I'm friendly
Speaker 6: with that I've known for years, and I said to them, look,
Speaker 6: i'm doing this sub stack. I'm interviewing crop circles. I'm
Speaker 6: gathering high strangeness events stitching. They haven't got any because
Speaker 6: they're making crop circles for different reasons. Okay, I'm only
Speaker 6: getting these high strangeness events if I'm interviewing crop circle
Speaker 6: makers that I've actually got that mindset, you know, with
Speaker 6: the spirituality, and the further they get from the hub
Speaker 6: of like Avebury and Stonehenge, the more the reports dissipate,
Speaker 6: and the further you get away from wheelchair, the fewer the.
Speaker 2: High strangeness events are.
Speaker 6: It seems to be connected with the intent of the
Speaker 6: of the circle maker combined with the area which is
Speaker 6: being implanted.
Speaker 3: Oh that's that actually confirms it that it is a
Speaker 3: more spiritual practice in a way, because if you know
Speaker 3: the other people who I'm quite little, you just go
Speaker 3: through the motions and do it, you know as art
Speaker 3: or for advertising.
Speaker 2: Will still be pretty. You'll still be a pretty circle.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, you know, of course, especially for advertising. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're selling something, it better be pretty, like if
Speaker 3: you're doing it for art, Like, no nobody wants to
Speaker 3: buy ugly art. I mean, I'm sure there are people,
Speaker 3: but you know, in general, you know, art has to
Speaker 3: be at the very least used.
Speaker 2: To look at Francis Bacon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: That they're doing it like without those like more spiritual
Speaker 3: or more deep seeded intentions, and they're not getting, you know,
Speaker 3: getting any of it, getting any of the phenomena that
Speaker 3: you know that are you know, happening, the feeling, the
Speaker 3: the well, the light ORBS energy ORBS fae however.
Speaker 2: You want to want to call a lot of the phenomenon.
Speaker 6: It's very hard to actually photograph because it's all based
Speaker 6: on sinks. Dream driven dreams are just such a massive,
Speaker 6: massive part of this.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you know I was I'll break down.
Speaker 6: I won't go into great detail, but I told you
Speaker 6: that story across the Pond where I was dreaming of.
Speaker 2: Two cross circles, and in a part of Wilcher that
Speaker 2: I didn't know, and I was It was always.
Speaker 6: It was always like an always like an out of
Speaker 6: body experience. It's really real, Okay, this recurring dream was
Speaker 6: flying over these two fields and it was two crop circles,
Speaker 6: one in each field. Kept on having this dream, and
Speaker 6: there was a school friend that I went to school
Speaker 6: with and he was always in my dream, which is
Speaker 6: crazy because I'd never heard I never thought of him
Speaker 6: for forty years. I wake up and think, well, there's
Speaker 6: crop service again.
Speaker 2: But why is that guy in my dream. I've not
Speaker 2: spoken to him for forty years.
Speaker 6: And then I took a wrong turn, which is I
Speaker 6: said before, wrong term in this in this phenomena is
Speaker 6: it means something different than it does in reality. Took
Speaker 6: a wrong turn in Wiltshire one day found myself exactly
Speaker 6: in this these actual fields. It was exactly those two fields.
Speaker 6: And I looked to my side and I saw that
Speaker 6: the name of the road that I had taken this
Speaker 6: wrong turn into was the name of the road that
Speaker 6: my school friend used to live in when I used
Speaker 6: to go around his house to play forty years ago.
Speaker 6: And I thought, come on, that's and then I went
Speaker 6: to do a crop circle. I'm truncating this, but I
Speaker 6: did a crop circle, didn't have time to do both
Speaker 6: of them. Next morning, get a phone call from my missus.
Speaker 6: Both your crop circles are down. I said, that's impossible.
Speaker 6: We've only done one. I said, I had a four
Speaker 6: man team. I had two guys from Amsterdam, really good people.
Speaker 6: Didn't have time to do both.
Speaker 2: We just did the one.
Speaker 6: And she says, go online now, and this is this
Speaker 6: is like in the two thousands, so there was no
Speaker 6: wife on your phone yet to go to an internet
Speaker 6: cap She says, go online. And I looked on Google
Speaker 6: Earth and my crop circle, my first crop circle, which
Speaker 6: was completely different to the other one that was in
Speaker 6: one field. My other crop circle was in the other field,
Speaker 6: and they were separated by this ridge so that we
Speaker 6: couldn't see the other team working and they couldn't see
Speaker 6: us working.
Speaker 2: And that was a dream driven event.
Speaker 6: And it's the reason why it's taking me so long
Speaker 6: to do this substack is because all the reports they
Speaker 6: get are so similar that I could only use one
Speaker 6: one in ten. But everyone's reporting this same dream driven
Speaker 6: synchronicity based stuff that you can't It's like a chick,
Speaker 6: it's like chess piece is being arranged on the board.
Speaker 6: And there's one that I didn't tell you about that
Speaker 6: will really this is one that I really can't explain.
Speaker 6: We were in a six man team stitching, okay, and
Speaker 6: we meant we met at the pub eight o'clock and
Speaker 6: we said, right, we'll get cracking at nine, we'll drive
Speaker 6: at nine, we'll start the circle at ten.
Speaker 2: So six man team, we all knew each other, we'd.
Speaker 6: All worked, we'd all work with each other before. It
Speaker 6: was going to be a piece of cake. It could
Speaker 6: be a cakewalk. And then one of us had a
Speaker 6: text message and it said I said, oh damn, I
Speaker 6: promised myself to another team tonight.
Speaker 2: I forgot. I can't do it. And then somebody else said,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I'm on that team as well. So we
Speaker 2: were two down. Okay.
Speaker 6: So and then if you're two down, it's like football,
Speaker 6: you've got you've got to change your game plan. Okay,
Speaker 6: So we have to change the certain there's no way
Speaker 6: we could make the same circle.
Speaker 2: And then somebody said, well.
Speaker 6: Actually I know a crops. I know a kid who
Speaker 6: wants to come out. He's hinted he wants to come out.
Speaker 6: Let's get hint down and bring his friends, so that
Speaker 6: was two people replaced. Then the team leaders said, I'm
Speaker 6: not happy, there's not enough experience on this team.
Speaker 2: I'm going home. So we would run down again, and
Speaker 2: then somebody.
Speaker 6: Came into the pub that somebody knew that wasn't supposed
Speaker 6: to be in the area, so long story short.
Speaker 2: Then somebody said, oh, it's going to rain.
Speaker 6: I haven't got any dark clothes I've got And then
Speaker 6: at the end of the at the end of the hour,
Speaker 6: the six people that were on the team were completely
Speaker 6: different to the six people that were supposed to be
Speaker 6: going out to the field, and it was like this
Speaker 6: fate had brought us all together. And somebody said, oh,
Speaker 6: let's phone this person although she lives in Burningham.
Speaker 2: And then they walk in and they actually, I'm down
Speaker 2: on holiday and that it's really crazy, and then this
Speaker 2: is this is the kicker. It was really awkward because
Speaker 2: we're in we were in the su of e to
Speaker 2: go to make and of course it dawned us none
Speaker 2: of us know each other. It's really you know, it
Speaker 2: was really awkward, you know, And and one one of.
Speaker 6: The people people said, oh, my mother was a spiritualist
Speaker 6: and if she knew what I was doing today, she'd
Speaker 6: be absolutely so happy, okay.
Speaker 2: And I said to her.
Speaker 6: I said to him, well, you can bring it down,
Speaker 6: you know, And he went, no, I can't, because she
Speaker 6: passed away last year.
Speaker 2: And then there was this.
Speaker 6: Really spiky silence, and then as one like Spartacus, somebody said,
Speaker 6: I lost my mum last year. I lost my mom
Speaker 6: last year. All six people have lost their mothers the
Speaker 6: previous year. And the cross circle that we had on
Speaker 6: paper was a celebration of mother Earth. It was specifically
Speaker 6: a celebration of mother Earth. And that's when we went,
Speaker 6: you can't make that up, you know, you can't engineer
Speaker 6: that situation.
Speaker 2: We had six different people in the team, and this
Speaker 2: is but this is the stuff that you can't write.
Speaker 6: This is the stuff that you can't measure in a field.
Speaker 6: And this is why, this is why we're going, what
Speaker 6: the hell is happening?
Speaker 2: Do you understand?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you started with six people, all of them
Speaker 3: just for some reason, whether valid or just you know,
Speaker 3: lame excuse, canceled. Six complete strangers really got together sharing
Speaker 3: a single event.
Speaker 6: It's like a single common really really specific common events.
Speaker 3: Which is already well highly unlikely to say the least and.
Speaker 6: As I said, two of them what it was supposed
Speaker 6: to be when was from Birmingham and they weren't even
Speaker 6: supposed to be there and they just walked into the
Speaker 6: path and so she replaced the one that had just gone.
Speaker 3: And then you know, their whole story there, that whole
Speaker 3: event falls in line with the crops.
Speaker 2: You said, it's the cards. It's like ruins, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I just felt that way, that's that's crazy, Like yeah,
Speaker 3: like you can, I mean, you probably can make it up,
Speaker 3: but like if you were going to make up a
Speaker 3: story like that, then you know, at least make it believable.
Speaker 2: I was involved in that, and.
Speaker 6: I told that story with to this Australian guy, I'm
Speaker 6: Sadie And he said what he said when I told
Speaker 6: the story that he said he felt a charging that
Speaker 6: we nearly lost there was a glitch on the internet.
Speaker 2: There was a glitch in it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he went he said, that's really and it's
Speaker 6: still that one still send shivers at me because I
Speaker 6: was involved in that, and.
Speaker 3: There's a there's a a kind of beauty in that
Speaker 3: as well, like yeah, it's a very strange phenomenon, but
Speaker 3: it's it's like it was meant to be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that scene. We had another one that I thought
Speaker 2: was really funny, which I've just substracted. I spoke to her.
Speaker 2: I interviewed a circle maker last week and lived.
Speaker 6: He lived about one hundred miles away from Crop Circle
Speaker 6: Central as we call it, and he had he had
Speaker 6: the same thing as the other guy.
Speaker 2: At midnight, he had this calling to come down. But
Speaker 2: it was one in the morning and he.
Speaker 6: Just finished work as a shift worker and it's calling
Speaker 6: to come down. And he went, okay, I'll come tomorrow.
Speaker 6: And this call he went, no, you'll go now, okay,
Speaker 6: and like he went. So he drove down to Wiltshire
Speaker 6: and he normally used to sleep in this particular alleyway.
Speaker 6: It's like his little private hidie hole that he used
Speaker 6: to go and sleep in, you know, in his in
Speaker 6: his in his van. And he got to the end
Speaker 6: of the road that leads into the hidie hole and
Speaker 6: he had his bluetooth on his sat Nav and it
Speaker 6: said turn around where possible, and he thought that there
Speaker 6: was a blockige down the road or a flood or
Speaker 6: something which the bluetooth had picked up, and it took
Speaker 6: him to this byway a couple of miles away, and
Speaker 6: it said, you have reached your degonation, and he went, no, blood,
Speaker 6: you haven't. So he started off again, recalibrated the thing,
Speaker 6: reprogrammed it again, and he thought drive and he thought
Speaker 6: he was going to take him around the other round,
Speaker 6: the other side of the same road, so that he
Speaker 6: could avoid the blockage. But no, it took him back
Speaker 6: to this byway again, and it took him back there's
Speaker 6: six times, and in the end it was he was tired.
Speaker 6: It was like three in the morning and every time
Speaker 6: he set off, you have reached your desk. Turn around
Speaker 6: where possible, turn around, You've reached your desk this same spot.
Speaker 2: So he took a chance. He took that.
Speaker 6: He turned it off, and he took a chance, and
Speaker 6: he drove to his Heidi held nothing was wrong, there
Speaker 6: was no blockies, there was nothing to worry about. He slept,
Speaker 6: and then at eight o'clock in the morning, the jungle
Speaker 6: drums started banging and he had a He said his
Speaker 6: mobile was rattling off his dashboard and there was a
Speaker 6: message that new circle and of course you can guess
Speaker 6: the rest.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it was where he kept on purring into.
Speaker 6: But what we thought was really funny about that story,
Speaker 6: But it was because you hear about the cosmic joker
Speaker 6: and the phenomena does have a sense of humor.
Speaker 2: And what was funny about that story was that when
Speaker 2: my friend A.
Speaker 6: Was in that position, he was a staunch believer that
Speaker 6: crop circles were not man made. Storch believer, he said it.
Speaker 6: He said, it was either at or Gaya or nature spirits,
Speaker 6: he said. But the funniest thing was was that had
Speaker 6: he actually got out of the car at the time
Speaker 6: that it's kept on saying you reached your destination, he
Speaker 6: would have actually pigeon stepped and seen the crop circle
Speaker 6: team at work.
Speaker 2: So we thought it was really funny that.
Speaker 6: A potential nhi had used like a device to lead
Speaker 6: into a conclusion where he'd have to find out that
Speaker 6: the crop circles were man made. So you had that
Speaker 6: dictonomy of this, you know, of this of this strange
Speaker 6: phenomena actually proving to the bloke that they weren't made
Speaker 6: by people.
Speaker 2: We thought that was really funny.
Speaker 3: I love that it's like, oh you don't believe, fine,
Speaker 3: I'll show you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he was dithering.
Speaker 6: He he was like thinking, think that it wasn't people,
Speaker 6: but it was starting to realize and this this NHI
Speaker 6: through through through a device that it was possibly manipulating,
Speaker 6: was trying to take to him. I can actually prove
Speaker 6: to you that people may they can take you to
Speaker 6: one now and it's being made right now.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's funny. Yeah, that's wow. Well, you know he's you
Speaker 3: said that he believed it was like you know, guy
Speaker 3: Mother Earth or you know something someone.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 3: I'd like to get into that a bit. I am,
Speaker 3: you know, speaking of a corosspond. I am recording with them,
Speaker 3: and I believe like thirty minutes. But as we you know,
Speaker 3: kind of talked about on the on the other show
Speaker 3: as well, it is like you are bringing out those
Speaker 3: patterns like it is a cosmic consciousness, but could it
Speaker 3: be you know, basically the Earth's consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is the this is the part of this
Speaker 6: is the part of the paradox that this is the
Speaker 6: only paradox that I've got.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I don't know if what happened with
Speaker 2: those wickens, okay, or what has happened with I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: or even with the mother story Okay. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if it is.
Speaker 6: Us communicating with each other through through the Sheldrake species field,
Speaker 6: through the collective consciousness, or if it is triangulated and
Speaker 6: it's us communicating with each other, but there's something above
Speaker 6: which is.
Speaker 2: Doing the direction, so to speak.
Speaker 6: Okay, But certainly, the first time that I traveled to Wiltshair,
Speaker 6: my whole vibe.
Speaker 2: Was not I'm here, it was like I'm back. There
Speaker 2: was something connected too.
Speaker 6: It was like I was remembering something from a collective,
Speaker 6: you know, ancestral age, and I kept I think, I thinking,
Speaker 6: it's like when people take NSD. Okay, so it's not
Speaker 6: that I've ever done it, but I've been told honestly,
Speaker 6: if you take an LSD, or if you take peyote,
Speaker 6: or if you're at trance state, suddenly everything's revealeding you go, oh.
Speaker 2: I remember this now, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's blood memory in you know, in
Speaker 3: a way, just some hidden like DNA code like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we have Dorman's DNA strands.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, And it's like limitless, isn't it where they
Speaker 6: say we only using five percent of our capacity? But yeah,
Speaker 6: the first time I drove to Wiltshire and I stood
Speaker 6: in the crop circle. The crop circle didn't have to
Speaker 6: be there.
Speaker 2: That the magic.
Speaker 6: It was really strange because the crop circle looked really strange,
Speaker 6: but it looked.
Speaker 2: Like totally natural as well, you know.
Speaker 6: But when I stood in that crop circle, well I
Speaker 6: did have I did have a time distortion in there.
Speaker 6: Actually I thought it was like I was there for
Speaker 6: ten minutes.
Speaker 2: I was there for two hours. But when I was
Speaker 2: in that crop circle, I had this.
Speaker 6: Overpowering feeling of oh, I've got the answer now, and
Speaker 6: it's just beyond your grasp. You try and get the
Speaker 6: answer and then it just flits away, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think it's the area, and I think there is
Speaker 6: that you get. You get the vibe that it's gonna
Speaker 6: stand really straight scision, but you get the vibe that
Speaker 6: the land is alive here. It's really hard to explain.
Speaker 6: I know it sounds crazy, but you get this vibe
Speaker 6: that it's it's conscious. Which does time with Gaya, doesn't it?
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it does time.
Speaker 6: And what I'm trying to say to people is that
Speaker 6: if you insert humans into this as a component as
Speaker 6: crop circle makers, all the stuff that you love, like
Speaker 6: Gaya and all the mysteries. It's all still there as
Speaker 6: long as you're brave enough to put humans into the
Speaker 6: equation as being part of the as being part of
Speaker 6: the phenomenon, whether we're conscious of it or not.
Speaker 2: All the stuff that you love is still there.
Speaker 6: It's still a mystery, and the mystery is far more
Speaker 6: interesting than birth flying saucers. You know, it's it's something
Speaker 6: which is ancient, and it is tying into something ancient,
Speaker 6: and the mystery is still there.
Speaker 3: So it could be you know, Guya, could be Mother Earth,
Speaker 3: could be some you know, collective consciousness.
Speaker 2: It could be.
Speaker 3: Both, it could be whatever. But basically you are used
Speaker 3: as a I don't want to say, because you're not
Speaker 3: a you know, it is.
Speaker 2: In the way. It is in the way what I mean.
Speaker 6: A circle maker said to me once, it's a game
Speaker 6: of chess, but we're not playing it with the pieces.
Speaker 6: And I love that because, as they said, we're not annoyancy,
Speaker 6: we're not special, we're not chosen. Anyone can do this,
Speaker 6: but we all seem to have a deep seated alignment
Speaker 6: with with with the paranormal. Uh so, And I don't
Speaker 6: like the word channeling or because it just implies that
Speaker 6: we're zombies and we're just being like, it's not we're
Speaker 6: fully we're fully aware of what we're doing. But sometimes,
Speaker 6: as I said, across the pond, we'll make a mistake
Speaker 6: and then we'll find out that it's like the bully
Speaker 6: jogging jogging the classmate, you know, as they're drawing. We
Speaker 6: make a mistake, and we shouldn't have made the mistake
Speaker 6: because we all knew what we were doing.
Speaker 2: This terrible mistake would happen, so we'd have to like
Speaker 2: bling it up and put frills on it.
Speaker 6: And then we find out that that mistake is the
Speaker 6: most important part of the circle because it's significant to
Speaker 6: the date or the area. And then we go, oh,
Speaker 6: hold on a minute, you know we were that wasn't
Speaker 6: the mistake, that that that was us being jogged. You know,
Speaker 6: that happens a lot.
Speaker 3: But that's like to me, that's also implying that there
Speaker 3: is some like, some deeper like also human consciousness to it,
Speaker 3: because you know, to be human is to to make mistakes.
Speaker 3: We are in our you know, corporal beings, you know,
Speaker 3: at least in our corporal cororal body, we are imperfect being.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what I'm saying. Of course, we're of
Speaker 2: course were human.
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying, Yes, spirits in spirits, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know absolutely, but you know the body has has
Speaker 3: it's now I.
Speaker 2: Know where you're going, but obviously to urish human.
Speaker 6: But what we're saying is that that that the that
Speaker 6: the architecture of that mistake, okay, and the fact that
Speaker 6: that mistake is then the most important part of the circle,
Speaker 6: and the rest of it is irrelevant. So we've gone
Speaker 6: to make a certain pattern, we think, oh that's going
Speaker 6: to look pretty, that's really important, and then.
Speaker 2: The mistake is what defines it, okay.
Speaker 6: And because the mistake is relevant in some significant way
Speaker 6: that we couldn't have ever known, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's why I say it's not humans, it's not
Speaker 2: tosh human.
Speaker 6: We're saying that it's like an engineered thing, you know,
Speaker 6: we're engineered to make that mistake, and that mistake is
Speaker 6: the most important part of the formation, which.
Speaker 3: Makes it like not a mistake.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly exactly, it's exactly what it's like. It's a
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. It's a rabbit hole. Yeah quite so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you think it's a mistake, which, as I said,
Speaker 3: you know, it's only human to make mistakes. Yeah, well
Speaker 3: then it turns out that the mistake is the most.
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, you know, yeah, yeah happens a lot
Speaker 2: that Oh so the oh wow that is Sometimes you
Speaker 2: might find out until afterwards.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you'll think, oh, nothing weird happened there, or that
Speaker 6: was just because when you go to a macor crop circle.
Speaker 6: I mean, as I said, you were across upon something
Speaker 6: supernaturally happened doing my first crop circle that I was
Speaker 6: evolved in, and that's what drove me to do it
Speaker 6: and keep on doing it. But it doesn't happen all
Speaker 6: the time, you know, I'd say probably only forty fifty
Speaker 6: maybe sixty at a push. I'll see strange stuff or
Speaker 6: if I had a dream, different event or something, but
Speaker 6: it just seems.
Speaker 2: Odd, you know, it's just something. It didn't happen all
Speaker 2: the time. Stray stuff doesn't happen all the time, but
Speaker 2: it was a lot, you know.
Speaker 3: So are there like particular situations or you know, like
Speaker 3: adding up of events in where something strange does happen
Speaker 3: or is it random?
Speaker 6: Really well, I can't answer the question because what we
Speaker 6: think is random. Sometimes we'll go and make a crop
Speaker 6: circle and the road's blocked. So the team leader says, oh,
Speaker 6: we can't use that field.
Speaker 2: Oh damn. Oh, let's just one situation. I knew that
Speaker 2: the car broke down and the AA said we can't
Speaker 2: get you for two or three hours.
Speaker 6: And the tea leader said, look, we've got the kit
Speaker 6: in the back of the car. Let's just go over this.
Speaker 6: Let's just jump over this stone wall with their ear instead.
Speaker 6: And then we find out that this that this symbol
Speaker 6: that we've put in was supposed to be in that
Speaker 6: field and it wouldn't have had relevance had we gone
Speaker 6: to the original field. And this is where you start
Speaker 6: your mind starts to unravel because you're going, what's the
Speaker 6: how much of this is engineered?
Speaker 2: And I've got another really odd one.
Speaker 6: I knew a journalist that came over from Canada, and
Speaker 6: he on his day, on the day that he left
Speaker 6: to go back to Canada, he was with his partner
Speaker 6: and his partner said, what would you like. What's the
Speaker 6: best present we could have before we go home? And
Speaker 6: my friend said, crop circle in the back garden.
Speaker 2: Just as a joke. All right, the next day, bang,
Speaker 2: so it's in the crops, the crop circles in his
Speaker 2: back garden. It was rented cottage. It's pretty much exactly
Speaker 2: what he asked for.
Speaker 6: But the thing that really freaked me out about that
Speaker 6: was that I found out later that the team had
Speaker 6: planned to do that particular circle in that particular field
Speaker 6: two weeks before that bloke made his trip. And that's
Speaker 6: when you start to think, there's some time just you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, the guy had the idea, I'd
Speaker 6: love this, that's my wish, but we we'd actually intended
Speaker 6: to do that a week before that he'd had his wish.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, So so sometimes you don't know what what
Speaker 2: the significance is.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you think, well, that wasn't important, and then you
Speaker 6: find out that it's important just to one person. It's
Speaker 6: like a present, you know, or it's some people will
Speaker 6: go into a crop circle and we think that it's
Speaker 6: just some pretty picture and they and it's relevant to
Speaker 6: them because they've been sent a necklace that morning and
Speaker 6: it's exactly what's in the field.
Speaker 2: You know. So you get some crop circles which are
Speaker 2: relevant because of the date or a significant historical event
Speaker 2: or whatever. But you get some which are just.
Speaker 6: Relevant to one person. But that kind of goes with
Speaker 6: the religion and what it is all and all is one.
Speaker 6: You know, it's still it still makes sense, you know.
Speaker 3: It it does, but it doesn't, but yeah it does. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that that kind of makes me makes me wonder
Speaker 3: like that, you know, Canadian friend of yours, was he like,
Speaker 3: was that done?
Speaker 2: Truly? His wish? Yeah? Yeah, it's a good one. That's
Speaker 2: a good Is that a wish?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I never thought that before. Absolutely, could well be that that.
Speaker 6: It's this is a really odd one as well. This
Speaker 6: is a really silly one, but it kind of ties
Speaker 6: in with what you're saying. We were going to do
Speaker 6: a band logo, okay, and what you find with crop
Speaker 6: circle made because is we've all got our own particular
Speaker 6: tags and there's things that we're good at.
Speaker 2: So I can look at a crop circle.
Speaker 6: And say, well, I know who made that, because he's
Speaker 6: great at crescents and spikes, and he's great at February
Speaker 6: like banks, exactly exactly that. So we all had we
Speaker 6: saw this band logo and we thought it would be
Speaker 6: really good to put that band logo in the field
Speaker 6: because it's the sort of thing that the band would
Speaker 6: think was funny and the fans would think it was funny,
Speaker 6: but it wasn't a real crop circle because it.
Speaker 2: Was done for art.
Speaker 6: Okay, So anyway, we thought, okay, let's just sit down
Speaker 6: and get four bits.
Speaker 2: Of paper and just we'll all put our little imprint
Speaker 2: on it and see we can get this low go down.
Speaker 2: And we did. So we wrote it down and said
Speaker 2: that works.
Speaker 6: And then so it's four different piece of paper that
Speaker 6: we actually put together at the wholenessy.
Speaker 2: Given that works.
Speaker 6: But then somebody said, you know, you do realize, you idiots,
Speaker 6: that you've been wearing that band's T shirt for the
Speaker 6: past six weeks. You know that it's going to be
Speaker 6: easy to tie that circle to you.
Speaker 2: So we didn't do it. But within the next week
Speaker 2: or so, within like only.
Speaker 6: Like a couple of miles of our like pub bench
Speaker 6: where we actually did all this, those four little signifiers
Speaker 6: appeared in other crop circles, okay.
Speaker 2: And they looked like they were grafted on. They looked
Speaker 2: like it was like something I'd added at the end.
Speaker 2: So it's almost as if our intent had just even
Speaker 2: though it wasn't used. Our intent was like this Google
Speaker 2: cloud where the ideas were there and they were just
Speaker 2: there to be like pulled down by somebody else, like
Speaker 2: sort of you know, icicles sort of thing.
Speaker 6: So what you're saying, right, what you're saying is right
Speaker 6: there in that my friend B could have actually from
Speaker 6: me Canad because it actual his idea might have been
Speaker 6: plucked out because it was already because the intent was already.
Speaker 2: Planted there by somebody else. So you are right, but
Speaker 2: it is a rabbit hole. Yeah, quite so, quite so.
Speaker 3: But like that, that's where my my mind went first.
Speaker 3: It's like they already planned the two weeks ahead of time.
Speaker 3: So would that make you know, the wish really his?
Speaker 3: Or was that I'd never thought that implanted?
Speaker 6: Ye, I totally get it. But anither way, it's still
Speaker 6: common those and they still coming to each other.
Speaker 2: But that's the good thought. I'd never thought of that before.
Speaker 6: It's perfectly feasible that my friend be that was the
Speaker 6: first thing that popped into his head.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't It wasn't an independent thought. It was
Speaker 2: just there, you know, I mean it it.
Speaker 3: Was an independent thought because you know, he didn't know
Speaker 3: of course, and he was like, well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: like surrounded by crops or crops make here, It's like,
Speaker 3: why not you know it could be fun, but then
Speaker 3: also it was a thought that was already floating around
Speaker 3: somewhere and it just had to had to land.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like the order has been placed.
Speaker 6: It's like Amazon Prime, the orders out there waiting to
Speaker 6: be dispatched, but you wanted to be delivered.
Speaker 3: It was it was like, you know, waiting. I mean
Speaker 3: like wishes are a are a powerful thing. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: you know. We it's they are connected to the web
Speaker 3: of weird, the thing that connects us, connects us all
Speaker 3: like even linguistically they are. They're connected, I found out recently,
Speaker 3: which doesn't surprise me. So it's like the norns or
Speaker 3: fades or whatever it was had to wait for the
Speaker 3: for the right time, the wish to be made, for
Speaker 3: the the energy, for the the intend to be declared. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like yeah, properly put out there.
Speaker 2: It's and and with people in the equation, all of
Speaker 2: that stuff still exists. It's just a tiny part of it. People.
Speaker 6: People were just a tiny little cogg in it. That's
Speaker 6: a good way of saying it. We're just like cogs
Speaker 6: in the big wheel. But this is what I'm saying, people,
Speaker 6: I was expecting not a blowback for I'm doing but
Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm not getting any you know, because but
Speaker 6: but again, I am keeping away from like the die
Speaker 6: hard forums you know that say, honestly, they say, well,
Speaker 6: if you say crop because by people, you are part
Speaker 6: of the disinformation program. How much of the CIA paying
Speaker 6: you literally had that. So I just keep away from
Speaker 6: those confirmation biased forums.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the people that just need to, you know,
Speaker 3: for everything to be a conspiracy. Yeah, nothing, really.
Speaker 6: That's right, No, that's right, And I'm going to getst
Speaker 6: the narrative. But when I when I found out for
Speaker 6: sure that crop circles were made by people, I was
Speaker 6: really pissed off because I thought I spent for the
Speaker 6: last ten or fifteen years driving around Wilchair, thinking these
Speaker 6: things are guy or e T.
Speaker 2: And now I know that they're made by people. I
Speaker 2: was really angry.
Speaker 6: And then after ten minutes, I thought, what's there to
Speaker 6: be angry about? The second you put people in this
Speaker 6: is actually a bigger mystery than them, you know, landed
Speaker 6: flying saucers.
Speaker 2: This is an ancient consciousness.
Speaker 6: Thing where we're just part of the thing that actually
Speaker 6: makes it happen.
Speaker 2: You know, all the elements are still there. Guy is
Speaker 2: still there. It's all still there.
Speaker 3: It's just that we are just enabling it's a stormtroopers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're just We're just We're just we're just the
Speaker 2: pawns doing it. You know. That's that's all it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh wow. So but I mean it could still be Guy,
Speaker 3: I could still be some other life form. Doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: have to be have to be alien, can you know,
Speaker 3: can be anything.
Speaker 6: It's it's what I say, is it's alien to our understanding. Ah,
Speaker 6: so it is alien, but it's not aliens. It's it's
Speaker 6: it's it's foreign to our understanding.
Speaker 2: It's alien to our understanding, you know, like that one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But I mean Jay Heinich did it for me.
Speaker 6: I mean, my favorite euthologists were like Jane Heinick, junk Hill,
Speaker 6: Jack Vale, and they were more talking about the consciousness
Speaker 6: element of mythology.
Speaker 2: And he said something to paraphrase.
Speaker 6: It says something like that, even if the UFI mischie
Speaker 6: was was, even if the mystery was given a if
Speaker 6: the artist was given to us tomorrow, we're not in
Speaker 6: a place in our evoleation where we'd even understand it.
Speaker 6: And I think that also applies to what's happening in
Speaker 6: the fields as well.
Speaker 3: So do you think it will ever be solved?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Will will the mystery ever be solved?
Speaker 6: We're a really crucial We're an interesting point because, as
Speaker 6: I said, lot, most of the stuff that I'm really
Speaker 6: interested in is the consciousness stuff and the dream driven
Speaker 6: and the synchronous is and you can't.
Speaker 2: Scientifically test that. Okay.
Speaker 6: So unfortunately, when I was making crop circles for the
Speaker 6: first few that the makers were like sort of doing
Speaker 6: stuff like spraying like cobwebs on them, just doing really
Speaker 6: strange things. And I'd say to them, what are you
Speaker 6: doing that for this? Oh, because it has to look
Speaker 6: like it's not man made, because if it looks man made,
Speaker 6: then it's not activated that was interested.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we've got.
Speaker 6: This strange to tom and tonomy where it has to
Speaker 6: look as if it's not man made for it to
Speaker 6: have any magic and energy.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: So the only way forward, and I don't think we'll
Speaker 6: ever get there, is for people to accept that that
Speaker 6: human made crop circles are still an enigma and as
Speaker 6: soon as you put humans in, it's still weird. But
Speaker 6: I don't think we're anywhere near that ever happening. Okay,
Speaker 6: I don't think it will happen. But in an ideal world,
Speaker 6: people would go and visit a human made crop circle
Speaker 6: with the same or as they would when they think.
Speaker 2: They're seeing a non made crop circle. That's unfortunately where
Speaker 2: we are in my opinion, it's still impressive.
Speaker 3: It still requires a lot of planning and designing, and
Speaker 3: so you know, man made not man made by you know, grafts, powers, beings.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but the but they think it, I know, but
Speaker 6: they call it a hoax and they say it is
Speaker 6: the water and it detracts away from the real phenomenon.
Speaker 2: You and I know that's not the case. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the other thing I hear people.
Speaker 6: I've seen really stray stuff happen in human crop circle
Speaker 6: events after they've been made. So the next day we've
Speaker 6: had like you know, the power drains from people's phones.
Speaker 6: All of those stories are true. Okay, the power drains,
Speaker 6: the the batteries in your camera will die, all the
Speaker 6: electronic stuff all happens.
Speaker 2: I've seen it, okay, and I saw that when I
Speaker 2: was a true believer as well. Then I find out, oh,
Speaker 2: that's actually tea circle or b circle.
Speaker 6: But people think if that if they have a magical
Speaker 6: event in a crop circle that's personal to them, or
Speaker 6: if their batteries do drain, or if they're oh, it
Speaker 6: can't be man made, good it is, okay.
Speaker 2: That's that.
Speaker 3: That doesn't rule that doesn't rule it up, you know.
Speaker 6: As Now, what I'm saying is people think that because
Speaker 6: they've had a magical experience or a strange experience, they
Speaker 6: can't sully that experience with the with the realization that
Speaker 6: it's that it's a crop circle that's been made by people.
Speaker 6: And in the same in the same way, you get
Speaker 6: people that travel over for America, America or Australia and
Speaker 6: they've only got like a seven day window to see
Speaker 6: a crop circle. If you tell them that that crop
Speaker 6: circle that they're sitting in is man made, they're just
Speaker 6: going to absolutely mad at you because you've ruined their
Speaker 6: trip because.
Speaker 3: You ruined the magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I'm tight lit. When I go to
Speaker 2: crop circles now, I don't really talk to anybody because no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to burst it.
Speaker 6: I don't want to burst their bubble, you know, because
Speaker 6: they say, what do you think of this one? And
Speaker 6: because I'm an expert by experience. I might not be
Speaker 6: able to do it because it's too good for me
Speaker 6: to do, but I can say, well, there's a problem there.
Speaker 2: They didn't do that properly. And as soon as you
Speaker 2: say that that he's been planted by my five people
Speaker 2: say that, they actually say they they put actors in
Speaker 2: this one because it's real and the actors are here
Speaker 2: to try and throw us off the scent. I wish
Speaker 2: I was making this up, mate. It's it's it's like
Speaker 2: the whole you.
Speaker 3: Know, conspiracy community, you know, love y'all used to used to,
Speaker 3: you know, be one of you. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Not everything is you know, a good government or the
Speaker 3: illuminati or you know whoever those are like also changes
Speaker 3: by you know, whoever you ask. Like sometimes it is
Speaker 3: as simple as they are man made, and yes they
Speaker 3: are also magical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's it. You've nailed it. That's that. That's
Speaker 2: the punchline for the day. Well good.
Speaker 3: Oh man. And yeah, I mean I could you know,
Speaker 3: go on about this for much much longer, but we're
Speaker 3: gonna have to save it for a part two because
Speaker 3: I have another recording on you know, the other the
Speaker 3: other show in about five minutes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got one tomorrow as well. So I'd like
Speaker 6: to like recharge because the same things.
Speaker 3: I understand. I mean, I'm I'm glad we we had this,
Speaker 3: we had this chat. It's good to dive a bit
Speaker 3: more into the mystique side of of things. That's always,
Speaker 3: you know, really fun, the the.
Speaker 2: What if you know exactly right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so where can the people find you? Where can
Speaker 3: they find your your work for substances, your your former
Speaker 3: work if it's still around.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I'm not going to tell you that. I
Speaker 6: told you the second I tie myself to a circle,
Speaker 6: I'm in travel. And also I've taken the magic away,
Speaker 6: which is the paradox. So I've got a substack and
Speaker 6: it is really growing quite quite large, and it's it's
Speaker 6: it can't be people. Just put one word, it can't
Speaker 6: be people dot substack dot com. And every week or
Speaker 6: two weeks, I'll put a new account that I've taken
Speaker 6: from a crop circle maker. I'm only talking to crops
Speaker 6: of makers that I know or ones that i've been
Speaker 6: vouched for, all personally. Okay, So you can't come and
Speaker 6: say I've got a great I've got a great story.
Speaker 2: I'm a crop circle maker. I'm probably not going.
Speaker 6: To take it off you, okay, because I can see
Speaker 6: the traps, so yeah, and then I say, well, you know,
Speaker 6: chances i'll probably know you through somebody else, so I'm
Speaker 6: tending to take I've got fifteen people that I've been
Speaker 6: talking to and they've been active between the nineties and
Speaker 6: some of them working still now, so I've got to
Speaker 6: be really careful with people. But they're really encouraged by
Speaker 6: what I'm doing so that they're like giving me stories
Speaker 6: that are happening like last year, I'll probably get this.
Speaker 6: I'll probably get some stories from this year as well,
Speaker 6: which I'm really looking forward to. So I update every
Speaker 6: week or two weeks, so I either do an account
Speaker 6: from a new account with high strangeness, or I'll put
Speaker 6: as I'm going to do with you, i will publicize
Speaker 6: this podcast and that would be my post for that week.
Speaker 6: And I've already got enough to keep me going for
Speaker 6: a year, so I don't have to write anything. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I know that this is the stories that I've got
Speaker 6: so many accounts that I've got enough to keep me going.
Speaker 6: I could put the pen down now and not have
Speaker 6: to do anything for a year. I've got that I'll
Speaker 6: publish eventually, but there's no rush. And as I said
Speaker 6: to you across the pond, the syncroinities is that I
Speaker 6: got in the fields are actually happening as I'm doing
Speaker 6: this substack. It's as if I'm attracting the same phenomena
Speaker 6: by doing this, because it knows that I'm interested, and
Speaker 6: I'm in random people and I'm getting random store. It's
Speaker 6: really strange. And then the random person ties into someone
Speaker 6: that I know. I'm get in the same sinks doing
Speaker 6: it is when I was in the field, makes sense,
Speaker 6: doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it does. Like you are still manifesting it.
Speaker 3: You are still putting it, Yeah, putting it out there
Speaker 3: for the people to read. And the more people, you know,
Speaker 3: read about it and see it, you know, for the
Speaker 3: more people it becomes part of their consciousness, the bigger
Speaker 3: the actual consciousness becomes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the something that it's the opposite of check
Speaker 2: d GBT. It's the opposite.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Luckily, luckily we need something to counter it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fine. So that's where you can find me,
Speaker 6: and it's free to subscribe. I've got nothing to sell,
Speaker 6: so that that's.
Speaker 3: Rare except for your well except for the you know,
Speaker 3: the amazing stories of course, but you know you just
Speaker 3: you sell them like not at interest, but for interest.
Speaker 2: No, it's free, you know, I'm not asking you for
Speaker 2: for the.
Speaker 3: People to be interested.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's yeah, I get it. I tried.
Speaker 3: I tried my own play on words.
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no you thank you. This has been
Speaker 3: it's been really cool and I'll I'm going to keep
Speaker 3: an eye out on the like on crop circles like
Speaker 3: this is. It's a such an amazing phenomenon. It's really
Speaker 3: it's really cool, and you know, thank you for introducing
Speaker 3: me to it, like threw across the pond and you
Speaker 3: know here on the the grey Ard Pagans podcast. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm happy that I, you know, like I have become
Speaker 3: conscious of it.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: Let's say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll keeping toucht in the k Yeah, yeah we we.
Speaker 3: Most most definitely will because I am know when you're
Speaker 3: done yet, I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 6: Everyone's saying that I've been invited onto every every single
Speaker 6: one of VI I've done, which I've lost count. Everyone
Speaker 6: is saying, we've got a circle back and another it's
Speaker 6: all good.
Speaker 2: Nice to see nothing. That's another T shirt. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: take care of my friends. Thank you so much for today.
Speaker 3: Oh no, absolutely, thank you. I'm just going to do
Speaker 3: the like the and plugging if you if you have
Speaker 3: to go, if you need to recharge.
Speaker 2: Your bids, fine that. I was going to go on
Speaker 2: coast to coast, but I'm going to wait until they
Speaker 2: want me on.
Speaker 6: They gave me a date for the next month, but
Speaker 6: I said, look, I'd rather wait till the book sat
Speaker 6: because I'm going to get so much blowback from those people.
Speaker 6: I'd rather sell a few copies and at least the
Speaker 6: grief will be worth it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know. Just dry your tears with the
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, thank you very much. Thank you again, of course,
Speaker 3: to my wonderful audience for watching. Thank you all for listening.
Speaker 3: Do leave your thoughts in the comments down below. Are
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Speaker 2: Who knows?
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