Speaker 1: You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, Big for Society, Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another episode. Today, we've got the privilege of
Speaker 1: talking to Mike Aguilar. Mike is a senior field researcher
Speaker 1: for the Mid Florida Bigfoot Research Group and he's been
Speaker 1: doing that for over six years. You've heard of this
Speaker 1: organization from my interviews with Marie Dumont. I've talked to
Speaker 1: her a few times over the last few years. But
Speaker 1: finally able to have Mike on the show. I've got
Speaker 1: just a long list, as you can imagine. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: i gotta get Mike on, and then it just worked
Speaker 1: out I'm not sure if I can't remember if I
Speaker 1: reached out to you or how it worked out, but
Speaker 1: it worked out finally, And Mike, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How are you doing today? Man?
Speaker 2: Awesome, man, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Happy to be.
Speaker 1: So, Mike, you are down there in the state of Florida.
Speaker 1: You guys have got so much going on, so many
Speaker 1: I mean hot zone area hotspot areas. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: my map and looking at other maps that are out there.
Speaker 1: You guys have a lot, a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: But you know, you were telling me you've actually had
Speaker 1: multiple visual sightings over the years, but it probably would
Speaker 1: be best to kind of start back when you first
Speaker 1: all got into this and what you got into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So starting out like I was pretty much like everyone.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't not believe. I didn't believe it
Speaker 2: was this kind of I enjoyed watching the shows when
Speaker 2: they came on. You know, it wasn't anything that was
Speaker 2: in a part of my life. It literally wasn't a
Speaker 2: part of my life until it walked in front of
Speaker 2: me and I was My journey started in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: I was uh in Homo sass of Florida, and that
Speaker 2: was about an hour a little over an hour from
Speaker 2: where I grew up. But I used to go fishing
Speaker 2: there a lot. And I was with my best friend
Speaker 2: and we were going to go fishing that day and
Speaker 2: we were There's an area it's called Old Mason Creek
Speaker 2: Road and it's a private like a boat ramp. At
Speaker 2: the end of that road is a private ramp. So
Speaker 2: that's the one I always like to usually get away
Speaker 2: from all the traffic, from all the people that go
Speaker 2: to Homa sas Or River for scalloping and stuff. So
Speaker 2: we're driving it's like six thirty in the morning, and
Speaker 2: that time of year, the sun is like, you know,
Speaker 2: just starting to peek up above the trees. And so
Speaker 2: as we're coming down the road, there's a set of
Speaker 2: s curves and if you're coming around this curve, you
Speaker 2: can see up ahead to like the third curve. And
Speaker 2: as I'm coming around the curve on that third curve,
Speaker 2: I see this, you know, shadow, walking up towards the
Speaker 2: edge of the road from left to right. And he
Speaker 2: was just a big just look like a big dude
Speaker 2: walking up on the edge. And as I coming around
Speaker 2: the curve, he walks up. He goes into the to
Speaker 2: the road, probably about eighty yards ahead of me or so,
Speaker 2: and he walks and he goes from shadow and he
Speaker 2: crossed the road. I remember he took like one or
Speaker 2: two steps and was almost across the road like halfway,
Speaker 2: and he just had that perfect patty look like he
Speaker 2: looked over arms swinging cross the road. And when he
Speaker 2: hit the light, he turned from shadow to cinnamon and
Speaker 2: he was like reddish brown color and every bit of
Speaker 2: seven foot tall at least. And my best friend's literally
Speaker 2: right beside me looking out the window. I don't know
Speaker 2: what he was looking at, but the sun just hit
Speaker 2: him just perfect, and with the sun behind him, it
Speaker 2: was like a silhouette and you could tell it was Harry.
Speaker 2: You could just you could see it, like it lit
Speaker 2: him up, and I like him came around the curve
Speaker 2: and came back around again. As you come back, he
Speaker 2: was gone. It was that quick, and I'm like, my
Speaker 2: brain took a photo, you know. I was like, holy crap.
Speaker 2: So I pulled up my stop. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like did you see that thing? And he's like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? I was like, you didn't see that?
Speaker 2: Thing just walking across the road. He's like, what youre
Speaker 2: talking about? I was like, dude, it was Harry and
Speaker 2: it was tall. It was huge. It was big. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like bulky big. He was like, like, I go
Speaker 2: to the gym, basketball player, big tall guy, you know,
Speaker 2: And it wasn't super bulky. It was tall and kind
Speaker 2: of like ripped looking like just perfect frame. And but
Speaker 2: he was sideways because I caught that side angle watching him.
Speaker 2: But my friend never saw it. I couldn't believe it,
Speaker 2: like it was that quick, and he just never saw it.
Speaker 2: And we got out. I'm looking around. He thought I
Speaker 2: was like losing my mind, and till this day he
Speaker 2: still never saw it and doesn't know what to think
Speaker 2: of it. You know. It was just I saw it
Speaker 2: and he didn't, and it changed my life, Like I had.
Speaker 2: I had to know what I saw, and I couldn't
Speaker 2: stop thinking about it over and over, like I kept
Speaker 2: playing that picture in my head, watching that thing come
Speaker 2: up and right in front of me, and I just
Speaker 2: I dove nose deep, like headfirst into the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: You know. Wow, I couldn't couldn't stop after.
Speaker 1: So how long would you would you say that the
Speaker 1: entire road crossing took in front of you.
Speaker 2: Maybe five to eight seconds. Just as it was coming up.
Speaker 2: It came up from the side and as I'm going
Speaker 2: around the curve, you know, he's just coming up walking
Speaker 2: and it just was right in front of me. Just
Speaker 2: never stopped. He was just fluidly going. You know. It
Speaker 2: felt like it was a slow motion, but it was
Speaker 2: just pretty quick. You know. But since then, I've had
Speaker 2: I've had a lot a lot closer things happened. I
Speaker 2: would say, Okay, I got I got to see things,
Speaker 2: got to see things a lot closer.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait to hear about that. I got
Speaker 1: one one or two more questions about this, because this
Speaker 1: is very interesting. So you have the side view, but
Speaker 1: then you have it looked back towards you for a
Speaker 1: short amount of time. Did you notice anything about the
Speaker 1: face when it looked back towards you during that time?
Speaker 2: It was it was just it was just far enough
Speaker 2: where I couldn't see facial details, but I could just
Speaker 2: see the arm swing as he looked back. It was
Speaker 2: almost perfect, like if you look at the Patty film,
Speaker 2: like just happened to look looking over towards me, like
Speaker 2: like I'm looking at you as I'm crossing the road.
Speaker 2: You know, he just looked over and his arms were
Speaker 2: swinging and I could tell his arms were down past
Speaker 2: his knees when he as he walked, because I was
Speaker 2: like this, Wow, my goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighty yards would be really the perfect amount of
Speaker 1: distance for you not to be able to I mean
Speaker 1: that's almost what just under three tennis courts. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be very hard to see facial details, I'd imagine.
Speaker 1: So then after this, it sounds like you really dive
Speaker 1: into the subject, should try to find out more about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I watched At first. I just I
Speaker 2: did probably what everybody does. I watched every document documentary
Speaker 2: and everything I could learn and try and figure out.
Speaker 2: And I learned a lot from doctor Meldrum before I
Speaker 2: ever met him, and just just watching documentaries, and him
Speaker 2: and Stacy Brown were some of the first people I
Speaker 2: ever watched, because Stacey was from Florida, and those were
Speaker 2: the first person people I was trying to learn paying
Speaker 2: see what they were doing. And then I just started
Speaker 2: going out on my own and because I wanted to
Speaker 2: find answers, so I started using things of how I
Speaker 2: grew up in Florida. I mean, I've been in these
Speaker 2: woods my whole life and I had never seen anything
Speaker 2: like that. But I figured, if this thing is nocturnal
Speaker 2: like it's supposed to be, then I'm going to go
Speaker 2: out in the middle of the day when it's resting
Speaker 2: and it's relaxed. And that's what I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 2: And that's what I did, and it worked, and it's
Speaker 2: scared to out of me. I had two bad ones.
Speaker 2: I had two bad ones happen, and since those, I've
Speaker 2: changed the way I do everything because I don't ever
Speaker 2: want to go through those experiences again. The bad ones,
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: And so this is pre you being involved with Mid
Speaker 1: Florida Bigfoot Research Group.
Speaker 2: Right right, This was I had. I had two I
Speaker 2: had two experiences happened. I call them, I say, my
Speaker 2: bad ones. They're they're bad ones. But they were my fault.
Speaker 2: And I know that now because I've never had another
Speaker 2: bad one. And I learned a lot. You know. We
Speaker 2: took a trip to the specific Northwest and I got
Speaker 2: to meet Thomas Suit and then that was awesome, and
Speaker 2: he he told me things I was doing wrong, and
Speaker 2: he made jokes with me about it. But you learn
Speaker 2: from it, you know. And I realized it's so clear
Speaker 2: with things it was all my fault, you know. I
Speaker 2: walked into something's back door without knocking, right when it
Speaker 2: was resting. Well, I think that I take the road
Speaker 2: of they're more like us than they are more than
Speaker 2: more animal. That's the way I look at it. And
Speaker 2: because they're they're so intelligent, and I know they're in
Speaker 2: family groups. But so my thought was, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day, the hottest part of
Speaker 2: the day in Florida, you know, one o'clock in Florida
Speaker 2: during like I think it was, it was probably around
Speaker 2: April was when the first one happened, and that's probably
Speaker 2: about eighty nine ninety degrees. It's pretty hot, so usually
Speaker 2: most things are betted down and relaxing. So I grew
Speaker 2: up in an area that is right backs up to
Speaker 2: a observe that's ninety eight hundred acres in Florida. That's
Speaker 2: a lot of land because everything's being funneled in, and
Speaker 2: if you know the corridors and you follow them where
Speaker 2: they run into areas, you find these small areas that
Speaker 2: are protected and nobody can go in there. This area
Speaker 2: in particular, you can't hunt, you can't drive in there. Nothing.
Speaker 2: So I had to get on a bicycle and ride.
Speaker 2: It's where I grew up and as a kid, I
Speaker 2: always always in there. There's a creek that runs through there.
Speaker 2: So I said, I'm going to go to that creek.
Speaker 2: That's that water source. Is going to be by the
Speaker 2: water source. I found the deepest, thickest hammock that I
Speaker 2: could find, and I'm going to go. I circled it
Speaker 2: on the map. I said, I'm going to go there,
Speaker 2: so I did. I drove my bike in and I rode.
Speaker 2: It's almost three mile bike ride. And then once I
Speaker 2: got off the bike, it was about a half a
Speaker 2: mile trail walk to where the creek goes through, really
Speaker 2: deep into the forest. And I'm walking down that trail
Speaker 2: and I get I had to make a rite and
Speaker 2: then there's a little tiny trail that went towards the water.
Speaker 2: And as I'm walking down the trail, there was a
Speaker 2: tree broken this way, and there was a tree broken
Speaker 2: this way, two different ways, crossing blocking the path, And like,
Speaker 2: you know, your gut tells you not to do something.
Speaker 2: My gut said, you're not. That's telling you not to
Speaker 2: be in here, but I didn't listen to it. I
Speaker 2: was a gung ho like. I was not scared of
Speaker 2: anything growing up in Florida. Not much a scary. If
Speaker 2: you've rustled alligators and every type of critter, you can
Speaker 2: your whole life. And I stepped over that limb, stepped
Speaker 2: over the next one, and I found what looked like
Speaker 2: about a probably thirteen fourteen its footprint, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's a footprint. And there was another one that looked
Speaker 2: like another impression in front of it. I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is really a footprint. And I'm looking at that footprint
Speaker 2: and I heard something go and it cracked, and to me,
Speaker 2: it sounded like a tree about that big around popped.
Speaker 2: And have you ever heard have you ever heard the
Speaker 2: sound it makes when something falls into palmetto palms, It's
Speaker 2: extremely loud. Palmetto palms are super loud. There wasn't a wind,
Speaker 2: there wasn't a breath blowing. It was a hot part
Speaker 2: of day, not a sound being made. And that thing crunched.
Speaker 2: It sounded like it got up and used something to
Speaker 2: help it get up, and it broke and fell into
Speaker 2: the palmados and it made this rumbling sound started coming
Speaker 2: towards me, just just and it gurgling, and it was
Speaker 2: like instant, like you feel it, and it was holy cow.
Speaker 2: And I kind of like half head turned and I
Speaker 2: couldn't see where it was at, but it was close.
Speaker 2: Because if the sound was close in that growl when
Speaker 2: it came through, I always joked and said, like I
Speaker 2: compared it to like a giant, a giant gator bellowing,
Speaker 2: like a like a deeper version of an alligator. Been
Speaker 2: at bellows that like the gurgling gurgle sound, And but
Speaker 2: it hit me. And when it hit me, it was like, okay,
Speaker 2: my My exact words were, I'm sorry, I'm leaving. I
Speaker 2: didn't That's what I said. I'm sorry, I'm leaving. I turned.
Speaker 2: I knew not to run because I didn't know it
Speaker 2: was what it was. You know, I knew what it was,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know what it was. I start walking
Speaker 2: and I'm walking down that trail. That thing just growled
Speaker 2: at me now and I'm terrified. I'd get up to
Speaker 2: the front and I have to make a left. So
Speaker 2: it was on all right, So if you're looking down
Speaker 2: the trail, it was on my right. So as I'm
Speaker 2: turning around and going out. It's on my left the
Speaker 2: trail I came in on. Now it's gonna be on
Speaker 2: my left side. So I start walking down the trail.
Speaker 2: It starts paralleling me. Crunch, crunch. I stopped. It stopped.
Speaker 2: Then I heard another set of footprints, crunch, crunch, and
Speaker 2: maybe a third. There was multiple ones that were following crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch.
Speaker 2: I kept hearing a funny sound, and I'm trying to, like,
Speaker 2: butck pucker walk out of there because I'm scared and
Speaker 2: I don't want to run, like I said, in case
Speaker 2: it triggered it to come after me whatever, you know.
Speaker 2: And I hear I kept hearing this and then the
Speaker 2: stick landing in front of me. They were throwing sticks
Speaker 2: at me. They were flipping them at me, and it's
Speaker 2: not like they were trying to necessarily take me out
Speaker 2: with them, but it's like they were getting me out
Speaker 2: of there. I start walking down. I swear into my peripheral.
Speaker 2: I saw something go past me, and I thought, that's it.
Speaker 2: He's gonna go up, he's gonna flight me. I'm done,
Speaker 2: and but it never happened. I made it back to
Speaker 2: my bike and it was like, I said, about a
Speaker 2: three mile right out of there, and I pedaled that
Speaker 2: fast as I've ever put on my life. I got
Speaker 2: back to my truck and I'm like sitting there and
Speaker 2: I started feeling sick, and then I threw up. I
Speaker 2: threw up again. I couldn't hold it down. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what was wrong with me? And my ears started ringing.
Speaker 2: I started feeling horrible, started getting sweats like I was
Speaker 2: horribly sick feeling, and I didn't know until later that
Speaker 2: I got zap. I got hit with him for sound
Speaker 2: is what we think one hundred percent. For three days,
Speaker 2: my ears were swollen, feeling like like inside, felt like
Speaker 2: someone had done something damage to them. To this day,
Speaker 2: they still have I can't dive anymore. I can't dive
Speaker 2: under like three feet of water because it's did something
Speaker 2: to my ears. It's it's weird. Oh my goodness. That
Speaker 2: was number two.
Speaker 1: That is some scary stuff. Have have you gotten other
Speaker 1: reports from the same area of other people having similar instances.
Speaker 2: Or there's been white a few reports from this area
Speaker 2: On the other side of there's two ways to come in.
Speaker 2: There's only two ways to come into this preserve and
Speaker 2: on the other side. There's a I believe there's a
Speaker 2: b fro O report from over there. And there was
Speaker 2: another person who grew up over there as well. I
Speaker 2: can't give out his name because I'm not sure you
Speaker 2: know how he feels about that right now, But I've
Speaker 2: talked to him and he said he's had him on
Speaker 2: his property and he's had things happen over there, and
Speaker 2: he's on the other side of the preserve from me.
Speaker 2: I never even knew all this, you know. I thought
Speaker 2: I was the only one that had anything happen out
Speaker 2: there till recently, and as far as I know, I'm
Speaker 2: the only person that's done research out there though. And
Speaker 2: I I found I found. I met up with, you know,
Speaker 2: David Sidoti from is s R T, and he him
Speaker 2: and his group came and met up with me. They
Speaker 2: were the They were one of the first people I
Speaker 2: ever met up with. And I found I found this
Speaker 2: inverted tree out there. That was the first thing I
Speaker 2: found before I even made it back to the trail.
Speaker 2: I found this inverted for cypress tree that was forty
Speaker 2: foot long with the root ball sticking up in the air.
Speaker 2: It was only about twenty feet off a trail. It
Speaker 2: was looking a marker. It was like, I mean, the
Speaker 2: root ball, it's the coolest picture. And as far as
Speaker 2: I know, I was the first person to find a
Speaker 2: big inverted tree like that in Florida. We thought, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a Pacific Northwest thing or Alaska thing. But
Speaker 2: this was this huge cypress tree right in the middle
Speaker 2: of a pine area. No cypress trees. Cypress trees were
Speaker 2: probably three hundred yards away, and it was brought over
Speaker 2: there and propped up perfect with the root ball, this
Speaker 2: gnarly looking root ball sticking up in the air. It's
Speaker 2: a great picture. I'll send it to you another time.
Speaker 2: I'll share it with you. It is really cool looking.
Speaker 2: Thank you. But so that area, that area led me
Speaker 2: to other areas that revolved around that creek. That creek
Speaker 2: was the life source, and I just basically what I
Speaker 2: started doing. I started going into all the thickest cypress
Speaker 2: hammock areas down that creek and trying to find the
Speaker 2: most remote places that nobody had been in a long time.
Speaker 2: And it's all one part of big funnel part. It's
Speaker 2: the most narrow area that you can have protected land
Speaker 2: like that throughout the area. Basically there's building going all
Speaker 2: the way around it. So everything's forced into there, the hogs,
Speaker 2: the deer, turkeys, everything is forced into this little, small funnel.
Speaker 1: I mean, that makes perfect sense why you would go
Speaker 1: to a place like that to just to get potential activity.
Speaker 1: Everything's being forced in there. Well, so are we This
Speaker 1: is actually a question I should have asked earlier. Are
Speaker 1: you considering these skuncape or bigfoot or how are you
Speaker 1: referring to them in this area.
Speaker 2: I'm a believer there's two species. I think there's two ones,
Speaker 2: a subspecies or something. Then I think that's I think
Speaker 2: that's starts about just south of Tampa, south Tampa, Mayaca,
Speaker 2: down through the Everglades. I don't I'm not saying that's
Speaker 2: there can't be big fir sasquatch down there, because I've
Speaker 2: seen things that says there is. But I think that
Speaker 2: there's whatever those species are. I think their line is
Speaker 2: kind of by Tampa, somewhere in that area, and they
Speaker 2: seem to be a little more aggressive and a little
Speaker 2: more primal, like a little more not quite as educated
Speaker 2: if you would, you know, like we don't find structures
Speaker 2: as much. We don't find you don't find it as
Speaker 2: much knowledge to me, like the things that we find
Speaker 2: in the other areas, like a lot of like weavings
Speaker 2: and tree structures and different things and markers. We find
Speaker 2: that a lot more north of Tampa Tampa North. That's
Speaker 2: extremely interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's something I'd never heard of, but probably
Speaker 1: something cool worth looking into. What was the main lesson
Speaker 1: that you learned from that varience that you you were
Speaker 1: not going to to replicate in the future.
Speaker 2: I no longer dress in full camo, and I don't
Speaker 2: go if I'm going into an area, I announce myself now,
Speaker 2: I said, I have one more. That was the one
Speaker 2: that sealed it for sure, but I quit, like I said,
Speaker 2: but that was the one that really got me. But
Speaker 2: I had one more, when I would say, very unsettling
Speaker 2: one and it was the worst one yet. And that
Speaker 2: one happened with my dog with me. But but I
Speaker 2: just after those two. Like that's the main thing, though,
Speaker 2: is like middle of the day is when they're relaxing,
Speaker 2: and if you want to catch one off guard, that's
Speaker 2: when you do it. And that's what happened. I mean,
Speaker 2: think about it. You walk up on deer, you jump
Speaker 2: deer all the time in the middle of the day
Speaker 2: when it's hot, they're bedded down, and I think that's
Speaker 2: what they do as well. Everything in Florida gets more
Speaker 2: active at night. It seems to be hogs deer, it's cooler,
Speaker 2: less people because we're so congested with so many people
Speaker 2: and everything too, and it just makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 1: So really, it sounds like you almost and you can
Speaker 1: tell me if if I'm on the right track or not,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like you kind of changed your intention
Speaker 1: of how you were going into these areas. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not dressed up as a hunter and camo. You're
Speaker 1: kind of more laid back. Maybe you're announcing yourself. You're
Speaker 1: not trying to to pull one over whatever's in there.
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, And so I'll give you. I'll
Speaker 2: give you, I mean, I'll give you the next one
Speaker 2: that that finished it, because then I can tell you
Speaker 2: some good things, okay, because I learned a lot those
Speaker 2: two bad Those two bad experiences really led me to
Speaker 2: a lot of good ones afterwards, after I changed a
Speaker 2: lot of things, you know. But so the second time
Speaker 2: was another area that and what I do is, like
Speaker 2: I said, I kind of feel drawn to those areas.
Speaker 2: I look at them. Same thing with fishing spots. I'll
Speaker 2: go on, I'll go on a map and look, okay,
Speaker 2: I want to fish this spot. Same thing. And I'm
Speaker 2: good at finding spots like that, areas that I think
Speaker 2: something should be. So this area was closer towards Tampa
Speaker 2: and still part of the same creek system. And you
Speaker 2: the area is a narrow area, very very hard to
Speaker 2: get into, but it's very close to It backs up
Speaker 2: to a million dollar neighborhood, like one of the richiest
Speaker 2: neighborhoods and throughout Tampa in Basco County. And so I
Speaker 2: found a way in. And if there's a power line
Speaker 2: run that runs through it, and I, you know, paying attention, like,
Speaker 2: oh power line run, stuff happens. Well, I found a
Speaker 2: power line run that has not been mowed in thirty
Speaker 2: years because it's too wetback there. The creek runs into it,
Speaker 2: so nobody goes back there. And there's a creek that
Speaker 2: cuts off. So in order to do you get to
Speaker 2: the spot that I found, you have to walk three
Speaker 2: miles around and not me, people are gonna do that,
Speaker 2: walk around the creek to go back and come in
Speaker 2: another mile back into it. In order to get to
Speaker 2: where it's at. You don't understand what I'm saying, like
Speaker 2: you gotta go three miles out of your way and
Speaker 2: come back a mile in. And the reason we found
Speaker 2: the spot was me and my son. I took him
Speaker 2: fishing and the creek to kind of do squatch a
Speaker 2: little and fish a little too, and we heard some
Speaker 2: stuff going crazy. But I always called him the Foreurner
Speaker 2: pound bard owls, the Foreurner pound owls, because it's like, like,
Speaker 2: what doesn't sound like It's not like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: more like like, well, we're sitting there fishing, and you
Speaker 2: could see around the corner. My son saw something and
Speaker 2: he's like, Dad, I see something. It's looking at me
Speaker 2: from the tree. And I thought he was messing with me,
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm like, all right, son, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: He starts crying like he gets mad, like Dad, oh,
Speaker 2: I see something. It was looking at me from the
Speaker 2: side of the tree. The creek goes in zigzags, so
Speaker 2: if you're looking down the side, it's about a block
Speaker 2: away you can see the trees up there. And all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, after he said that, it sounded like
Speaker 2: a flock of bardows started going off at eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, just like it was wild and I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, this is weird. So I ended
Speaker 2: up taking taking him home and I'm like, I'm coming
Speaker 2: back the next day. And that's what I did. I
Speaker 2: looked up and the map, figured out how to get
Speaker 2: over there, and I go into this area with my dog.
Speaker 2: I had my dog Miley with me and had her
Speaker 2: on her leash. We walk into the area and I
Speaker 2: just randomly found this area that was go heading towards
Speaker 2: the creek again. And as I'm walking in, I see
Speaker 2: I stead of first I found are trees that were bent.
Speaker 2: It was some of the first tree binds and brakes
Speaker 2: I had really found. And they were really cool, like
Speaker 2: the way they had been bent, like twisted and bent
Speaker 2: and bent over. And I started getting all that weird
Speaker 2: ear feeling again. And I'm getting back in there and
Speaker 2: I find this. There's three palmetto palm and the palmeto
Speaker 2: palm trees don't fall over easy, even with hurricanes, and
Speaker 2: this was a cluster of three and it was pushed
Speaker 2: over like it ook it. It's pushed over. There was
Speaker 2: a root ball sticking up, it was dug out underneath
Speaker 2: it and it looked like a body had been laying
Speaker 2: in there. On the right side of the cluster, there
Speaker 2: was a skinned tree, completely bald, and it was propping
Speaker 2: up this side of the cluster. So the trees were
Speaker 2: like this, and on this side of the root ball
Speaker 2: there was another one, so it was being supported both
Speaker 2: ways with stripped looked like poles. There were trees that
Speaker 2: were like this on each side, so one by the
Speaker 2: trees and one by the back of the rootball, so
Speaker 2: there was no way for it to fall down. Under
Speaker 2: this side where the palmetto palms was, it was bedded
Speaker 2: down with more palmetto fronds. It was a clear nest,
Speaker 2: so there was a nest in there, and there was
Speaker 2: a nest on the back side of it dug out.
Speaker 2: And then I learned looking around and I find more
Speaker 2: there's pump the root balls. They were dug out underneath,
Speaker 2: and they were laying under them, is what they were doing.
Speaker 2: They some of them were pushed over and they were
Speaker 2: digging out the root balls to make easy little shelters,
Speaker 2: little beds, is what it looked like they were doing.
Speaker 2: So I go walking out after I had filmed all that,
Speaker 2: and I go walking out towards the main it's like
Speaker 2: a four wheeler trail that went through and I'm walking
Speaker 2: down and I found footprints on that four wheeler trail.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is freaking incredible. I found a lot
Speaker 2: of footprints, like really good ones, and I walked up
Speaker 2: to a set of nineteen inch footprints. They were massive,
Speaker 2: and I have good pictures of those two. There's two
Speaker 2: of them and boom boom, and they were in the
Speaker 2: grass though, off the edge of the road. They weren't
Speaker 2: right in the road, they were off the edge, but
Speaker 2: whatever it was was so heavy. They were nineteen by
Speaker 2: nine wide. They were massive, but the mud was that
Speaker 2: thick coming out from the back of the grass. So
Speaker 2: this thing had to be a thousand pounds and it
Speaker 2: was like juiced up on the back of it. You
Speaker 2: can see it, and it was it was wild. How
Speaker 2: good it was. Well, I started getting that feeling again,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know what, I'm not doing that again.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not gonna go in and get hit
Speaker 2: by one of these things again. I'll come back with
Speaker 2: my friend. You know, I'm gonna come back. It was
Speaker 2: already too late. I don't know if I got too
Speaker 2: close or what it was. My dog starts doing her
Speaker 2: little low growl. I just got done filming the picture,
Speaker 2: the footprints, and she starts growling real low, looking at
Speaker 2: the woodline, which was about thirty yards from me, twenty
Speaker 2: yards probably about twenty yards actually twenty twenty five something
Speaker 2: like that. Our it was real thick. You couldn't see
Speaker 2: into it, but you could see trees sticking up above it,
Speaker 2: three of them. And I heard something and she, you know,
Speaker 2: she perked up and it sounded like a stomp. It
Speaker 2: felt like it. It felt like something went boom. It stomped
Speaker 2: the ground boom. And I'm like, and she jumped, and
Speaker 2: her hair's raised up. It starts growling, and then that
Speaker 2: tree in the middle move and then it moved again,
Speaker 2: and then it freaking went like this, and it was
Speaker 2: this is a tree that was eight inches ten inches around,
Speaker 2: a decent sized tree, fifty foot tall. I was like, ok,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you exactly what tree it was, but
Speaker 2: it shook it like this and it let out off
Speaker 2: the sound and it pushed the whole tree over and
Speaker 2: she turned and almost killed herself on the on the
Speaker 2: on the leash, trying to get away she's like, wow,
Speaker 2: I hung herself. I literally turned, I said, I yelled
Speaker 2: at I'm sorry, I'm leaving, and dude, I had tears
Speaker 2: in my eyes, like I'm a grown ass man and
Speaker 2: I'd never had. That was the second time I gues say.
Speaker 2: The first time was primal fear. This time was like
Speaker 2: primal fear, excel, and I don't care who you are,
Speaker 2: how tough you think you are when something like that happens,
Speaker 2: You're not. You're not tough. That thing scared the crap
Speaker 2: out of me. And I picked up the phone. I
Speaker 2: called my best friend. I'm like this, and remember where
Speaker 2: I told you where I was going. I'm there and
Speaker 2: something is following me. It just pushed a tree over.
Speaker 2: He's like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, listen,
Speaker 2: if I don't call you in twenty minutes, call me again.
Speaker 2: If I don't answer, this is where my body's at.
Speaker 2: Like that thing is mad, it's pissed off at me. Well,
Speaker 2: long story short, I made it back. It didn't hurt me.
Speaker 2: It bluffed me. It worked one hundred and ten percent
Speaker 2: worked because I wanted no part or whatever that thing was.
Speaker 2: But so that was the second bad one. The last
Speaker 2: time I ever had, last time I ever had a
Speaker 2: real bad one.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's intense. I'm going to guess you probably
Speaker 1: have never been back to that area since.
Speaker 2: Actually, no, I'm stubborn. I've been back quite a few times,
Speaker 2: and I've never had That's actually where me, RPG and
Speaker 2: his kids and my kids, it's all went back to
Speaker 2: that area together. This is years later, now, it's been
Speaker 2: This was in twenty twenty nineteen when that happened, and
Speaker 2: so it's been quite a few years. I've been going
Speaker 2: there for a long time. Actually, I've had I started
Speaker 2: having better things happen, and now I wouldn't take the
Speaker 2: kids in there right after that happened. Now I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do that. And my son's considerably older now too, you know,
Speaker 2: he's eleven. But we took all of our kids back there,
Speaker 2: and I've never had a bad feeling ever. Again. I
Speaker 2: just think I don't know if I pissed off the rogue,
Speaker 2: I pissed off the alpha with the dog. I don't
Speaker 2: know what I did, but that thing was pissed and
Speaker 2: I just got I think I got too close to it,
Speaker 2: to its maybe I got too close to its little ones.
Speaker 2: Who knows, but it was it did his job. It
Speaker 2: ran me out of there. And but that same area
Speaker 2: my son where I was telling you earlier, that's when
Speaker 2: my son had a class A sighting. He saw it
Speaker 2: right there. He saw it, like squat go. It was
Speaker 2: looking at him. It was he came up from the
Speaker 2: back of it. Me RPG and his kids were walking
Speaker 2: out this way farther out about ten yards from him,
Speaker 2: and it didn't see him. And as he came around
Speaker 2: the corner, he was staring at it and it was
Speaker 2: he said, it was that it was eight foot and
Speaker 2: four foot wide jet black, he said, looked at him
Speaker 2: and just said it looked like it hovered down like
Speaker 2: con But he was he started crying, like what's wrong,
Speaker 2: what's wrong? He's like, I just saw one, Like he
Speaker 2: was so dead serious. It's we've got it on film,
Speaker 2: like not him seeing it, but what happened afterwards, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's really a cool emotional little moment, like he
Speaker 2: wasn't crying because he was scared. He was crying because
Speaker 2: he actually got to see one. Finally, is what it was?
Speaker 1: Goness that that is that is really really cool. So
Speaker 1: you have these two times where you had. I mean,
Speaker 1: the pretty intense bad things happen. What was it that
Speaker 1: made you continue with your research. I've talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of people that have experienced things that don't even
Speaker 1: come close to what you experienced, and it made them,
Speaker 1: you know, never go into the woods again. Why was
Speaker 1: it different for you.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to stop going. I just kind of
Speaker 2: stopped going by myself. I was not comfortable by myself
Speaker 2: nearly as much for a long time. I've gotten more
Speaker 2: comfortable now. I still have it in the back of
Speaker 2: my head. It does something to you, like you see
Speaker 2: something do something like that, you realize a gun is
Speaker 2: not stopping that thing. Nothing's stopping that thing. It just
Speaker 2: pushed over a tree that was fifty foot tall, you know,
Speaker 2: like the strongest in the footprints I saw, and how
Speaker 2: much that thing weighed, like to make that impression in
Speaker 2: the ground. That thing's eight hundred to one thousand pounds.
Speaker 2: Like you're not stopping it, you know. And but I
Speaker 2: still I am. I believe that I messed up, like
Speaker 2: I said, the way I was handling it, and I
Speaker 2: was scared, yes, but I'm so curious and I can't stop.
Speaker 2: I can't stop it. I'm so I'm in so deep
Speaker 2: on it now and it's it's almost fun to be
Speaker 2: scared a little. But I don't want to be I
Speaker 2: don't want to have those type of experiences again. But
Speaker 2: I've gone in and that's after that. Shortly after that's
Speaker 2: when I met Stacy was the next one. I met
Speaker 2: Stacy Brown. He actually came to that location with me.
Speaker 2: We met up and that was how I first met him,
Speaker 2: and we went out together meet him and his camera
Speaker 2: crew and we did a side by side comparison of
Speaker 2: I have a picture. I have a blurry photo from
Speaker 2: something that was nine foot tall we estimated and perfect
Speaker 2: size the shit be able to take a tree over.
Speaker 2: But the picture it's it looked to me, it looks
Speaker 2: like a Harry and Harry from Harry and Henderson's looking
Speaker 2: sideways and he was turning to go back around the
Speaker 2: tree right where I was at, where that betting area was,
Speaker 2: And like I said, it's blurry, but you can see it,
Speaker 2: and the video you can see him. You can see
Speaker 2: him come out. It slowed down so but you can
Speaker 2: see him come out bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. And then
Speaker 2: as I come back, he goes back and disappears behind
Speaker 2: a tree. It was like that quick. My dog never
Speaker 2: picked up on There were so many smells going on
Speaker 2: that she didn't pick up on it. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: my dog after that day wouldn't go down a trail
Speaker 2: ever again that she smelt them on, never again, And
Speaker 2: she smelt that smell that she had picked up on.
Speaker 2: After that day, she stopped at the trail and would
Speaker 2: not go forward. They ruined her. She would never go
Speaker 2: in there again.
Speaker 1: My goodness, is that video on a YouTube channel that
Speaker 1: people can see at all?
Speaker 2: Or I'm going to be posting them? I said, I really,
Speaker 2: I'm just really starting to get my YouTube channel going,
Speaker 2: and I'm going back to all my old videos and
Speaker 2: old things. You know, first starting out, you know how
Speaker 2: people are Trolls are ridiculous and they ridicule you. And
Speaker 2: that's what I went through when I first started, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm seeing everything, why can't you see it?
Speaker 2: And I just learned that not everybody is gonna see
Speaker 2: what you see, and you're not going to change someone's
Speaker 2: point of view the way they think, and they're not
Speaker 2: open minded. They're not open minded. I don't I no
Speaker 2: longer even play those games anymore. I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I know what I saw, you saw you you don't
Speaker 2: believe it. That's fine, that's okay, And but I'm starting
Speaker 2: to get it more on my channel. My my YouTube
Speaker 2: channel is squatch an fl and I'm going to be
Speaker 2: building that up and I'm going to be putting more
Speaker 2: of my old videos together and putting them out there
Speaker 2: for people to see again now that I have my own,
Speaker 2: my own place to do it and let people make
Speaker 2: their own decision on what they see.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll have I'll put the link to your
Speaker 1: your channel in the show notes as well. So then
Speaker 1: after you have these experiences, though, it sounded like you
Speaker 1: started to have some that were definitely a better experience
Speaker 1: after you started changing some things about how you were
Speaker 1: approaching it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I found an area another part of that same
Speaker 2: preserve that I grew up on, but the other side
Speaker 2: of it. And I don't know how I swear. I
Speaker 2: had a dream. And you know they say these things
Speaker 2: can get in your head, and I never would have
Speaker 2: believed that. I never would have believed it. But the
Speaker 2: more I was going out, the more I was having
Speaker 2: these weird, vivid dreams all the time, and one of
Speaker 2: the dreams, ironically enough, led me to this spot and
Speaker 2: I dreamt about it, so I can't explain it, but
Speaker 2: I went there and it was from the moment I
Speaker 2: got there, I started having weird things always happening, but
Speaker 2: they were never bad. I never had a bad feeling.
Speaker 2: And ever since I got hit with that that whatever
Speaker 2: they hit me with then, my ears felt bad. I'm
Speaker 2: sensitive to it now, like a freaking beacon. Like I
Speaker 2: walk into an area now and I'm like, pepepe peep peep.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can feel it. Whatever they're kicking out,
Speaker 2: whatever that is, whether it be a frequency or whatever,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a defense mechanism they have. They
Speaker 2: can somehow I'll hit you with a frequency. You know
Speaker 2: that that messes you up. I think they can use
Speaker 2: it the hunt with too. But whatever it is, I
Speaker 2: pick up Martin now, I don't have answers for it,
Speaker 2: and I've been called I've been crazy for it. But
Speaker 2: whatever happened that day, it changed me for life. And
Speaker 2: I walk into the woods and I'm like, pepep peep,
Speaker 2: I feel like I got it, Like they got a
Speaker 2: marker on them. Like I can tell you they're there,
Speaker 2: I can feel it. I feel the pressure, I feel
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and it's usually right.
Speaker 1: That is extremely interesting what you just said, because it
Speaker 1: actually just came up in another interview I did today
Speaker 1: and it's something I've experienced too. So you're saying that
Speaker 1: the pressure kind of changes when you're in the area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you go is it pressure in your ears? Can
Speaker 1: you go into that anymore? Explaining what you're experiencing.
Speaker 2: When you walk in. When you walk in, it's like
Speaker 2: when you're getting close to when one of them are
Speaker 2: at it's almost like somebody put their fingers in your
Speaker 2: ear and like putting pressure on it. It's like pressure
Speaker 2: just took this weird pressure in your ear. I used
Speaker 2: to never I'd never gotten that before, Like almost like
Speaker 2: when you're on an airplane and right before years pop.
Speaker 2: It's almost like that. It's just almost like a low
Speaker 2: pressure you feel, and it's like and that pressure comes
Speaker 2: with the anxiety feeling you start getting like like something's there,
Speaker 2: you know, and then it's like it all starts making
Speaker 2: sense and it's like I get it every time I'm
Speaker 2: around them now. And but what's weird though, is this
Speaker 2: area this area it would do it at first, but
Speaker 2: the more I went in there, it stopped, and I
Speaker 2: realized that whatever was in there was accepting me more
Speaker 2: and more. I went through a bad separation, and I
Speaker 2: went through it was I want to say it was
Speaker 2: a bad separation. It was just a bad time of life.
Speaker 2: Like I went, I got very depressed, very down. So
Speaker 2: I use that as my escape. I would go into
Speaker 2: the woods. Have to work every day, and I spent
Speaker 2: for two years. I was going into this area all
Speaker 2: like three four times a week. I'd go into this
Speaker 2: area and just walk around, and I found half my
Speaker 2: footprints came from this area, and I would walk in.
Speaker 2: It got to the point where I would walk in.
Speaker 2: This is the first area I started gifting too, but
Speaker 2: I was I would walk in the trail. There's two
Speaker 2: trails to get into the woods back there, and it
Speaker 2: was behind county property. That was a fence line that
Speaker 2: went down and nobody went back there because of that.
Speaker 2: And I found one way you could go in without
Speaker 2: getting in trouble for it. And I talked to a
Speaker 2: county worker and he said, yeah, as long as you're
Speaker 2: not in the property, you're fine. As long as you're
Speaker 2: going back to that preserve. I was like, okay, so
Speaker 2: I'd gone in there forever and it ended up being
Speaker 2: this is the area that if Marie ever talked about
Speaker 2: our active area, it's this one. Okay, this is our
Speaker 2: active this is our active gifting area that we've had
Speaker 2: all of our crazy stuff happen. We've gone in there
Speaker 2: for years, and this family group is It started with me,
Speaker 2: and then I brought more just Marie, and then when
Speaker 2: me and Marie became friends, and then we've grown people
Speaker 2: in there, and there's a group of us that go
Speaker 2: in and throughout the years and we've never had anything wrong.
Speaker 2: We've been in there at night. We've never had any
Speaker 2: of us have a problem back there ever. But we've
Speaker 2: had so much interaction with him, taking things, moving things,
Speaker 2: opening candy, finding some like I've I had two gifting spots.
Speaker 2: I'd go to one and there'd be gifts stuff that
Speaker 2: I left at this gifting spot where I find it.
Speaker 2: The other one, the rappers like I would go walking
Speaker 2: in and on the two trails, there'd be no footprints
Speaker 2: walking in. As I go to leave, I'd find five
Speaker 2: or six that followed behind me walking in, no footprints
Speaker 2: that they're following me as I came in, like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's here, Like it was weird, man, like it was.
Speaker 2: They got to the point where I could be about
Speaker 2: seventy five yards away and I would see tree peakers
Speaker 2: just a little and that's all you get. That's all
Speaker 2: you get. But they were just comfortable enough to where
Speaker 2: ast stuff like that was happening, and they got like
Speaker 2: that with all of us, Like it was, it was
Speaker 2: pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh wow that I'm remembering as you're talking talking to
Speaker 1: Marie about that area, and I think, was there something
Speaker 1: to do with, like you plush animals or stuffed animals
Speaker 1: something like that as part of the gift of the process.
Speaker 2: Yep, the little bear. She We put the little bear there.
Speaker 2: We had glass eyes, and we came back the first
Speaker 2: time and it was face down in the mud with
Speaker 2: the tag ripped off, and we're like, that's weird. So
Speaker 2: every time we set this bear up, they would put
Speaker 2: it down face down, like they didn't want to look
Speaker 2: at his eyes or something like, every time they'd face
Speaker 2: it down. Maybe it was so weird. We put up
Speaker 2: cameras out there and on left and the right side,
Speaker 2: on the two trails. Everything stopped for three months all activity,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Marie, we gotta take these cameras out,
Speaker 2: so that's what's doing it. And then one day stuff
Speaker 2: started happening again, even when the camera's up, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, we checked the cameras, nothing on them. We
Speaker 2: found the fence in the middle behind the gifting spot
Speaker 2: bent to the ground. They had ripped up the barbed wire,
Speaker 2: stretched it up, bent the It looked like something said
Speaker 2: on it, like this huge dent. They bent all the
Speaker 2: barbed wire down and up out of the way, and
Speaker 2: they made a passageway through the fence between the two
Speaker 2: game cameras back to the gifting spot so they wouldn't
Speaker 2: be seen on camera, Like, are you kidding me? It
Speaker 2: was freaking cool. I found I found trip wire back there.
Speaker 2: That was one of the coolest things I've ever found.
Speaker 2: They took a vine that was about an inch and
Speaker 2: a half around. So if you have a fence, you
Speaker 2: know picture of the fences like this, the trail goes
Speaker 2: down the fence on this trail over here. I always
Speaker 2: called it the obstacle course because it was trees all leaning,
Speaker 2: all kind of funny all the way down the whole
Speaker 2: fence line and I thought it was to keep people out.
Speaker 2: Now I realized that was for hunting. And what they
Speaker 2: would do is that trail over here if a deer
Speaker 2: and okay, so you got your points right here, that's
Speaker 2: the fence line, and the trails run down this fence
Speaker 2: and on this fence. The trip wire was right here
Speaker 2: at an angle. So if you're a squash stander right
Speaker 2: here and they're running a deer this way, he only
Speaker 2: has one way to go right into the tripwire. The
Speaker 2: tripwire was like two and a half three feet off
Speaker 2: the ground, perfect deer height. It was a vine and
Speaker 2: they stretched it out about I don't know, thirty foot long.
Speaker 2: It went around a tree, around another tree. It had
Speaker 2: a piece of wood about this big in it and
Speaker 2: twisted to hold the tension. It was a freaking trip wire.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: That's a really I don't think I've heard anything that
Speaker 1: comes close to that. I mean, what a great example
Speaker 1: of intelligence. Do you guys have any ideas of how
Speaker 1: many or are in that area you've got like a
Speaker 1: certain sized group or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I found seven different sized footprints in that area.
Speaker 2: This guy right here, he's the one that follows me
Speaker 2: around all the time. Oh, these are his I think
Speaker 2: he's a teenage male. Okay, wow, So I left. I
Speaker 2: made this footprint. I came, I left it, I came
Speaker 2: to go. I made a casting of it, and I
Speaker 2: had to leave it. It was just about dark and
Speaker 2: it wasn't dry yet, so I left it and came
Speaker 2: back the next morning to check on it. About a
Speaker 2: foot away from it was this one. Okay, he walked
Speaker 2: over and stood over it. He walked over it and
Speaker 2: stood over it. And that's why there's toes, I think,
Speaker 2: because he sat there longer, standing in this muddy area,
Speaker 2: looking like, what the heck is up with this human?
Speaker 2: And what is he making with my footprint? You know?
Speaker 2: And then that one was there, so there's a matching set.
Speaker 2: Well actually, so like this.
Speaker 1: That's cool?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that this this footprint right here I found
Speaker 2: everywhere back there. I called him big toe because he
Speaker 2: never left any any other toe prints, just a big toe.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's injured or if he lifts
Speaker 2: him like that, you know, but he only left his
Speaker 2: big toe. It's really odd.
Speaker 1: And and what's the what's the length of those again?
Speaker 2: Those are thirteen, but they're not they're not super long,
Speaker 2: but they're wide, super wide. Now this one's cool. This
Speaker 2: one has a big one. This one is I think
Speaker 2: it was seventeen. But if you look inside of it,
Speaker 2: there's a double step. There's one walking inside of it
Speaker 2: in which we find all over the place. So this
Speaker 2: one's missing the toes up here. A lot of times
Speaker 2: we get like, we'll get the like, we'll get the
Speaker 2: pad right to here, and we all get the toes.
Speaker 2: A lot of times they were missing listen, so it's
Speaker 2: hard to determine if it's a boot or if it's
Speaker 2: you know, almost as like a bootprint, but it's not.
Speaker 2: But this one's basically missing the toes up here. But
Speaker 2: you can see where another one stepped in it. Also,
Speaker 2: it's pretty pretty cool print. And I've got two of
Speaker 2: these also, almost all uh matching sets you know, from
Speaker 2: that area, and it was found seven through one crossing area,
Speaker 2: seven different sizes. I found them all the way down
Speaker 2: to six or seven inches, little tiny ones.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I know you mentioned learning a lot from
Speaker 1: doctor Meldrum earlier in the interview. Is that a thing
Speaker 1: where you were ever able to get his thoughts on
Speaker 1: on any of the tracks that that you had been
Speaker 1: able to cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first person I ever called was doctor Meldrum. Like,
Speaker 2: I didn't know who he was. I just seen him
Speaker 2: on the documentaries. I didn't know anything. I just I
Speaker 2: was blowing up in my brain. I wanted to talk
Speaker 2: to somebody, so I literally called Idaho State University and
Speaker 2: Anthropology department and he answered, and he talked to me.
Speaker 2: He talked to a guy. He had no idea who
Speaker 2: he was, and he talked to me for forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: telling me what to do, how to do it, This
Speaker 2: stupid hick from Florida. And he's telling me how to
Speaker 2: do it because you know how proper he talks, and like,
Speaker 2: I felt so dumb talking to him. But he taught
Speaker 2: me so much. And he was like, listen, I believe
Speaker 2: you're having things going, You're finding things. He's like, just
Speaker 2: start recording it properly. Always give me a size comparison,
Speaker 2: and you can send him and share him with me
Speaker 2: anytime you want. So that's why I started doing and
Speaker 2: ideveloped a little relationship. I'd never met him at the time,
Speaker 2: but I would, you know, just through messenger mostly and
Speaker 2: then I got Scanaverse, and I would start sending him
Speaker 2: stuff with Scanaverse over and he would and he would
Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's got potential. If he said it's
Speaker 2: got potential, I knew it was a good one. But
Speaker 2: we did get to meet him one time, which was
Speaker 2: it kind of changed everything. We got to meet him
Speaker 2: in at the Great Florida big Foot Conference a few
Speaker 2: years ago, and he brought he came over. He came
Speaker 2: over to our table and he's looking at our cast
Speaker 2: and he's like, he's like, these are from Florida. I said, yes, sir.
Speaker 2: He's like he was hold on and he walks over
Speaker 2: to his booth and he came back with this. He
Speaker 2: comes back over with the gray Harbor. Oh yeah, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, where's this going, you know? And he
Speaker 2: put it up to our cast and he was like
Speaker 2: showing how similar the heels and a lot of the
Speaker 2: other stuff and all my about three casts that are
Speaker 2: like very similar in size comparison to the heel. You know,
Speaker 2: they're not this is what you get in Florida substrate.
Speaker 2: But there's one, this one is I did a three
Speaker 2: D scan of this one and it is almost identical
Speaker 2: to that print. Wow, you can see the big toepad.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a weird print. We got this ad
Speaker 2: a sugar sand. But you can see the big toepad
Speaker 2: up here. Yeah, it's kind of hard to see, but
Speaker 2: it's the same size as that tope and everything on
Speaker 2: it is almost exactly the same, just a lot uglier.
Speaker 1: Looking because of the because of the ground it was casting.
Speaker 2: Right, this was at a sugar sand. So he he
Speaker 2: came over and like he's like, here, you know, you
Speaker 2: can take this, and because because he was surprised and
Speaker 2: how he didn't think they were that big in Florida either,
Speaker 2: So that was like proof to him that these things
Speaker 2: aren't changing how big they are throughout the country. That
Speaker 2: I think they change. How much they weigh. I think
Speaker 2: that changes, because I mean, you can't be as heavy
Speaker 2: masked as you are up north. You don't need it here,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: muscle structure changes. I don't think their height changes. I
Speaker 2: think they're just more like lean, you know, personally, that's
Speaker 2: what we think.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. The scan a verse app is something that comes
Speaker 1: up every once in a while, and I've heard it
Speaker 1: when I've talked to Cliff, he will recommend it as well.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you've used it more than a few times.
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice as of you know, things
Speaker 1: you need to make sure that you do in order
Speaker 1: to get a good three D scan using that.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna you can get a scan without service,
Speaker 2: but it's not. So you can still get your scan
Speaker 2: without service, but you're gonna have to wait till you
Speaker 2: get service to process it and make it work. So
Speaker 2: it'll just kind of stay there and you can come back.
Speaker 2: So don't don't think just bec you don't have service,
Speaker 2: you can't use it, because you can, but you can
Speaker 2: get it. You'll just kind of stay there till you
Speaker 2: have service, and then then you can process it and
Speaker 2: go through it. And it works better in low and
Speaker 2: not direct sunlight, like if you have bright bright light
Speaker 2: on a print, it doesn't pick it up that good.
Speaker 2: It's almost better. And like sunlight with shade, like a
Speaker 2: like a shade like a shadowy area. So if you
Speaker 2: can have someone kind of cast a shadow block the
Speaker 2: sun into your skin and take your time, take your
Speaker 2: time with it, and roll it, just roll them. That's
Speaker 2: what I just kind of go. I roll them as
Speaker 2: I go, and it gets it all the way through,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're not just holding it flat above. You're
Speaker 1: making sure that you get all the front corners and
Speaker 1: the edges and the difference.
Speaker 2: I go down, I go down into the toes, right,
Speaker 2: I roll it down into the toes and roll it
Speaker 2: out and just like you were, following the every contour
Speaker 2: of the foot. It's pretty much how I do it.
Speaker 1: That's really good to know. Yeah, I had never thought
Speaker 1: of that aspect of it. That's that's something for me
Speaker 1: to learn and try next time I go out there.
Speaker 1: But my goodness, so really, I mean this this one area.
Speaker 1: I already know that it is a super active area
Speaker 1: from talking to Marie a few times. Were you also
Speaker 1: with Marie when she went out to the Pacific Northwest?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you have any any things that you remember from
Speaker 1: that trip, any interesting memories or things that you experienced
Speaker 1: by going out there?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, oh yeah. It was. It was a different world,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. You took a bunch of Florida people
Speaker 2: and David Sheeley went with us. May had all these
Speaker 2: you know, you got me and David going out to
Speaker 2: the middle of the Pacific north West. We were lost.
Speaker 2: We were like where are we at? You know, like
Speaker 2: and it was cool though it was such an adventure.
Speaker 2: Christina came also. She was kind of just getting in
Speaker 2: I don't think she was part of the group yet.
Speaker 2: She was just my girlfriend at the time, and but
Speaker 2: Marine and all them new her very well, and shortly
Speaker 2: after I think she became part of the group. But
Speaker 2: we had a blast up there, but we blew everybody
Speaker 2: away away up there, Like William Beeson, like he was like,
Speaker 2: like we went out and like the first day he
Speaker 2: couldn't go with us. They gave us a jeep to use.
Speaker 2: So we go out, you know, and we we're from Florida,
Speaker 2: you know, we're ain't scared of nothing. So I'm walking
Speaker 2: around with just a bowie knife like I do in
Speaker 2: the woods here, and we go up and we find
Speaker 2: bear prints and we find all kinds of stuff. But
Speaker 2: we actually found a footprint too. We found a really
Speaker 2: really nice footprint. David found it, and then we found
Speaker 2: more later. But David found a really nice seventeen his
Speaker 2: footprint going up the side of the mountain. You could
Speaker 2: see the way it's the way it's the ball of
Speaker 2: its foot had like a big bunyon and when it
Speaker 2: when it moved to go up the hill, it twisted
Speaker 2: and you can see it. It's so clear how it
Speaker 2: went up. It was a really cool print.
Speaker 1: Was that over north of Spokan or was that Olympic
Speaker 1: Peninsula Medaling Falls?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so north of Spokane, Okay.
Speaker 2: By the cold Coldville, Coldville Forest, I believe yep up
Speaker 2: up in the Coldville Forest area. Well, we were walking
Speaker 2: around that whole day by ourself, and then William Beeson
Speaker 2: came out with us the next day. He wanted to
Speaker 2: take us up to this up the mountain, to this
Speaker 2: private or this hidden lake that's up there where they've
Speaker 2: had a lot of stuff happen. And so we get
Speaker 2: up there and we get out of the jeep and
Speaker 2: he gets out and he goes to the back and
Speaker 2: he grabs on his hip. He's got like a fifty
Speaker 2: cow on his hip. Then he grabs a freaking ar
Speaker 2: puts it. I'm like, holy cow, going on, William, He's
Speaker 2: like our bill. He's like he's like Mike, we have
Speaker 2: two hundred pounds wolves, we have thousand pound grizzlies. And
Speaker 2: I'm like what I was like, you just let me
Speaker 2: walk around this whole place yesterday with a knife. Holy cow, dude.
Speaker 2: So that was it was pretty funny. He is an
Speaker 2: awesome guy. They were, they were. That was a phenomenal trip.
Speaker 2: We got to meet Thomas Seawood over in this uh
Speaker 2: place where he was staying, and we got to sign
Speaker 2: the foot Oh.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Now, you had said earlier that you actually
Speaker 1: learned some interesting things from from Tom when you were
Speaker 1: talking to him. Is that anything. Are you able to
Speaker 1: share any of the things that he taught you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's just he just he's he's funny. He
Speaker 2: cracks me up, man, Like he's so forward. He's like
Speaker 2: silly white man. It just cracks me up. And he's
Speaker 2: like the things he said to have made sense. He's like,
Speaker 2: how would you feel if someone just came into your backyard,
Speaker 2: opened up your back door to your house, came in
Speaker 2: and sat down on your couch while you were sitting
Speaker 2: there watching TV? Would you be pissed? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would absolutely. He told respect him, he said, respect him,
Speaker 2: Show them respect, and you'll get respect back. And I
Speaker 2: started doing that. So every time I walk into the forest.
Speaker 2: Now that that same area or a gifting area. I
Speaker 2: learned their sounds. I learned a lot of sounds from
Speaker 2: that area, and by myself spending time out there, I
Speaker 2: learned a lot of different sounds. And I never got
Speaker 2: scared out there. That was an area I never felt
Speaker 2: any type of fear when I was there by myself,
Speaker 2: but I would hear so I started noticing when I
Speaker 2: first started going in there, you would hear the bard
Speaker 2: owt call. Well, it'd be no matter what time of
Speaker 2: day you went, you'd hear, and then you'd hear it
Speaker 2: two more times in the distance, and another side they
Speaker 2: do it twice every time twice, And it wasn't bard ouse,
Speaker 2: it was them that's there there. They mimic them, and
Speaker 2: they're that's they're they're they're letting you know someone's here,
Speaker 2: someone's here, someone's here. And then you'd be out in
Speaker 2: the forest, you're walking around, and I started hearing just
Speaker 2: one and you'd hear another one out in the distance,
Speaker 2: and then another one, Like they're just little subtle things,
Speaker 2: but they're communicating, they're letting you know where they're at.
Speaker 2: And then I've never I've heard tree knocks, and I've
Speaker 2: heard some things but I have. I haven't experienced it
Speaker 2: probably as much as some people have. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: heard tree knocks, but I'm kind of on the on
Speaker 2: the same way Thomas told me. He's like, tree knocks
Speaker 2: are to tell you to leave. So all these people
Speaker 2: running around doing tree knocks, banging trees and stuff, I
Speaker 2: don't personally go into that. I never really did. I
Speaker 2: did a little bit, but after talking to Thomas, I
Speaker 2: really stopped doing it. And he said, that's that's them
Speaker 2: telling you, whack, get out of my area. Whack, you know, like,
Speaker 2: and it kind of makes sense when you walk into
Speaker 2: a place. And I kind of go by that a
Speaker 2: little bit. Now I don't. I don't really whack trees,
Speaker 2: but I do make my sound, and that's my sound,
Speaker 2: copying what they do. But now they know that's my sound,
Speaker 2: and everywhere I've gone into, I've established that sound. When
Speaker 2: I come into the I go into going to a
Speaker 2: new area, I'm just oooh, you know. And I and
Speaker 2: I have I don't have any issues. I talk to
Speaker 2: them when I'm in the woods. Now I'm like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm here with my family or I'm here with a friend.
Speaker 2: I want to come into your forest. We're not here
Speaker 2: to hurt you. I'm not a hunter. You know. I
Speaker 2: talk everywhere I go now, and believe it or not,
Speaker 2: I mean it completely makes that if you go into
Speaker 2: an area and you start feeling that pressure like oh
Speaker 2: my god, like like something's close to me. I'm getting
Speaker 2: a little nervous. I'm starting to get kind of scared
Speaker 2: that feeling. Start talking to them, Hey, I'm not here
Speaker 2: to hurt you. I'm not I'm not a I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You know. Is it okay if we come forward? Is
Speaker 2: it okay? If it's not, let me know, make a sound,
Speaker 2: do something. And usually you feel that calm down and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I don't feel threatened anymore, and like
Speaker 2: that threatening feeling just goes away. It's kind of incredible.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is it, and that is wild man. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. Have you ever asked for a response and
Speaker 1: gotten something?
Speaker 2: I've I wouldn't say I've asked for it and got it.
Speaker 2: I've done it. I would love to get to that.
Speaker 2: I've asked, hey, can we see you? But I've had
Speaker 2: a lot of things. I've had a lot of responses
Speaker 2: to my sounds, but I haven't had a response to
Speaker 2: that I haven't had like direct take can I can
Speaker 2: you make a sound and they make a sound, you know,
Speaker 2: but like my son will go out there and if
Speaker 2: he's out like, they love him and he'll go out
Speaker 2: and they'll like on one time he got scared because
Speaker 2: they came in so close to him. They wanted to
Speaker 2: come see him. I think the little ones did. He
Speaker 2: was out there, who oh, and then you hear for
Speaker 2: thirty minutes this went on and they get one came
Speaker 2: up and it hooed about I don't know, maybe thirty
Speaker 2: feet away from us, and he started crying, all right, dad,
Speaker 2: I want to go. I want to go. But it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, you're out here making sounds. It
Speaker 2: wanted to see what was going on. You know.
Speaker 1: That's fat It is absolutely fascinating how how young young
Speaker 1: children can play into or almost really attract bigfoot activity.
Speaker 1: And that's a that's a whole discussion in itself, but
Speaker 1: we're kind of talking about that before the episode started.
Speaker 1: And do you mind talking a bit about the the
Speaker 1: Legend Seekers Florida series that is starting to be not
Speaker 1: a development Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not at all. So I'm a big believer
Speaker 2: RPG is a big believer Daniel Barnett. We're a big
Speaker 2: believer that there's something with being on the spectrum. Absolutely
Speaker 2: that is being a narrow divergent person. I'm extremely ADHD
Speaker 2: and my superpower is I can go in and tell you
Speaker 2: who the bad guy is in the room. I feel everything.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm empathetic, but I feel everything like
Speaker 2: I can tell you when something's going on. I'm super
Speaker 2: aware of everything. My son's like that, he's ADHD really bad,
Speaker 2: and he's selected mutism. So Kaylin, just like Daniel Barnett
Speaker 2: selected mutism. And what that is is they didn't speak
Speaker 2: to They had selective people their brain would let them
Speaker 2: talk to. It's a legit deal and it's part of
Speaker 2: the autism scale. And my son he didn't talk till
Speaker 2: he was three and a half years old. And this
Speaker 2: is what's really awesome because if you see our videos
Speaker 2: together now and you hear him talking, and he got
Speaker 2: on stage with me now in front of two thousand people,
Speaker 2: I'll getting in a minute. But like, this kid literally
Speaker 2: had such a hard start. He three and a half
Speaker 2: years old. Before he started talking, he would only hum
Speaker 2: like I love you. He'd go hmmmmmmmm mm hmm. He
Speaker 2: would only hum stuff, and so that was the first
Speaker 2: hurdle he got past that. He started talking, but his
Speaker 2: motor skills were ninety eight percentile. He was walking at
Speaker 2: eight months old, he was running at nine months, but
Speaker 2: he didn't talk till he was three and a half
Speaker 2: years old. Doctor said he maybe he just didn't want to.
Speaker 2: And so fast forward a little bit. When he started talking.
Speaker 2: Then it was only to me and mom, and we
Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it at first, but it got
Speaker 2: as he got older, like he started school, and it continued,
Speaker 2: like he would not talk to a teacher. He didn't
Speaker 2: talk to a teacher until he was in fourth grade
Speaker 2: almost wow. Didn't talk, so and kids would. Kids would
Speaker 2: mess with him and pick on him, and they knew
Speaker 2: that he wouldn't say anything, so we would have to
Speaker 2: get fun. He got in fights with kids because he
Speaker 2: would he would lash out instead of instead of because
Speaker 2: he didn't talk, he couldn't tell a teacher that they
Speaker 2: were being mean. He'd just eventually had enough. And but
Speaker 2: we'd find him underneath desk, hiding underneath tables, crying and hiding,
Speaker 2: and he didn't know how to communicate. He didn't talk.
Speaker 2: He would only talk to us the coach when he
Speaker 2: played football, he would only talk to us. Same thing
Speaker 2: with Daniel Barnett, where if you talk to his dad,
Speaker 2: and that's what he went through. And we joke and
Speaker 2: we say that Sasquatch Bigfoot, they healed them because they
Speaker 2: both had their lives changed by going out in the
Speaker 2: field doing this in the presence of these things where
Speaker 2: we have found evidence and where we've been at with
Speaker 2: these things, something's different with my kid. Now he's there's
Speaker 2: it's gone. There is no more selected mutism. It's gone.
Speaker 2: He doesn't He's the most normal, talkative, chatty kid you've
Speaker 2: ever seen. And now, like we just did a you'll
Speaker 2: see it coming out on Friday. We just did an
Speaker 2: interview with Stacy Brown. We just did his show and
Speaker 2: so that's Friday that's coming out. We've been on Brian
Speaker 2: King Sharps on Sasquatch Odyssey and together and he's awesome.
Speaker 2: He's his asked some questions. I'll talk to you. This
Speaker 2: was a kid who didn't talk. He got on stage
Speaker 2: with me at the conference in front of two thousand
Speaker 2: people and talked. So anyway, because of that, him and
Speaker 2: Daniel had that in common, and RPG and Daniel and
Speaker 2: Chris they came up with legend Seekers. And what they're
Speaker 2: trying to do is it's an angle of getting more
Speaker 2: family and oriented show in the Sasquatch Bigfoot Research and
Speaker 2: RPG lives only about forty five minutes for me thirty
Speaker 2: forty five minutes. And his children and my children are
Speaker 2: really good friends. They become really good friends with each other,
Speaker 2: and we've been going out filming with each other and
Speaker 2: we're gonna be doing a Legend Seekers. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: a docu series on YouTube. It's on the Legend Seekers
Speaker 2: Network and it's gonna be a Florida version that they're
Speaker 2: gonna do and then after each episode they do legend
Speaker 2: Seekers uncut. So we just did one of those today
Speaker 2: and that was me, Christina and Christina's daughter Kate, because
Speaker 2: we had a recent experience happened I'll tell you about
Speaker 2: in a minute, but so we're really excited about it
Speaker 2: that and I mean, you know, if you've seen My
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Life, they're they they're they're really good with how
Speaker 2: they how they did it, and they want to try
Speaker 2: and do something with Kaylin kind of like a legend
Speaker 2: seekers version of my bigfoot life too, to let the
Speaker 2: world know about him. It's awesome, man, Like, they're they're
Speaker 2: really good people. They're phenomenal people. And then and for
Speaker 2: them to want to do that with my son is
Speaker 2: really cool, you know, and and get let's we're doing
Speaker 2: this as a family and still finding things, and actually
Speaker 2: we're finding more, We're having more things happen, which is
Speaker 2: what I can go into now if you want me to.
Speaker 2: I can tell you about what just happened with me
Speaker 2: and my family, which is freaking awesome.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I definitely want to hear about that. I
Speaker 1: do want to comment on on something that you said
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, where it's just a weird pattern
Speaker 1: that comes up in interviews where people have some sort
Speaker 1: of interaction and they are changed in different ways. And
Speaker 1: you brought up how your son was changed in this way.
Speaker 1: There's also people that have been healed in different ways
Speaker 1: or have different abilities come out, ranging from being more
Speaker 1: aware of their area or even telepathy. And it's just
Speaker 1: it's such an interesting pattern that I'm starting to notice
Speaker 1: and I'm not quite sure where it all is going
Speaker 1: to lead, but I would love to hear more about
Speaker 1: what you guys have just experienced recently as a family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just fallo able what you said, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know one hundred percent. I don't understand it. But
Speaker 2: these things really enjoy good, positive energy around them. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: they pick up on I believe that they are. They're good,
Speaker 2: and I believe that they pick up like animals, right,
Speaker 2: Like animals pick up on good people, good energy. Some
Speaker 2: animals they don't want to if you're not a good person,
Speaker 2: they don't want to be around you. And I think
Speaker 2: they're the same way. I think they really pick up
Speaker 2: on it. And when I'm in the forest with my
Speaker 2: family is the happiest time in my life. I'm with
Speaker 2: a woman I love, I'm with my kids. They're laughing,
Speaker 2: having fun, we're exploring. We've turned it into this like
Speaker 2: giant scavenger hunt. We're trying to find footprints. And my
Speaker 2: daughter is starting to pick up on it now too.
Speaker 2: She's seven, Kylie, and so Kaylen and Kylie, they're my kids.
Speaker 2: And so Kylie's coming up behind Kaylen now and she's
Speaker 2: tired of being left out and she's like, Dad, I
Speaker 2: want to go out more. And so I've been taking
Speaker 2: her she's the cutest thing ever. She goes in the forest,
Speaker 2: She's like big Foot, I love you. I'm sorry. She's
Speaker 2: the cutest thing. She leaves them little gifts every time
Speaker 2: we go out. So I moved. Me and Christina got
Speaker 2: a house and we went from Pasco County up to
Speaker 2: Hernando County, which is close to Brooksville, Florida. And there's
Speaker 2: this area has like the main corridor that runs up
Speaker 2: the west side of Florida from basically Wiki Watchie Area
Speaker 2: all the way up through the Panhandle. It's one giant corridor.
Speaker 2: That's where that corridor stops there and connects over to
Speaker 2: all the corridors that connect to the Green Swamp, through
Speaker 2: the corridor that goes through where I was having my
Speaker 2: stuff happen, and all that connects into the Hillsborough River.
Speaker 2: It's all one big connecting circle that if you wanted
Speaker 2: to you could never be seen. And it's really really
Speaker 2: cool how it works when you pay attention to it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so now that I'm up here, i haven't
Speaker 2: got to go to that other area where I had
Speaker 2: all this crazy stuff happen. So I've been focusing over
Speaker 2: here and I've been meeting other people, and I met
Speaker 2: a guy named Mike Noga and he had a say
Speaker 2: sighting at a cemetery out here, and we started talking
Speaker 2: and my friend Frank Middleton. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: ever ever met Frank Middleton or not.
Speaker 1: Frank quite a bit, Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank's awesome. Frank Frank. Yeah. And so I've got
Speaker 2: to go out with Frank and and Mike a couple
Speaker 2: of times, and we've we've went, we've we've camped out
Speaker 2: in these areas together, hung out a lot, and I've
Speaker 2: really gotten to become good friends with Frank, and Mike's
Speaker 2: becoming a good friend of mine. You'll hear about Mike
Speaker 2: and eventually, I promise you he's he's he's got the
Speaker 2: thirst for you, you know what I mean, Like, he's he's
Speaker 2: he's a young researcher that's really starting to have a
Speaker 2: lot of things happen. So we go out in this
Speaker 2: area and I went into another part of the area
Speaker 2: away from his a little bit where I was like,
Speaker 2: if I'm something, this is where i'd be. And we
Speaker 2: started finding a lot of cool things. Let me go
Speaker 2: fast forward. We me and Christina and her two kids
Speaker 2: the other night were like let's just for a jeep ride.
Speaker 2: We're bored, we had nothing to do. It was a
Speaker 2: Friday night, so we take the jeep and to get
Speaker 2: into this area where we wanted to go trail ride.
Speaker 2: You really probably aren't allowed to be there, but there's
Speaker 2: a trail to get in if you know how to go.
Speaker 2: If you have a jeep, you can get in there.
Speaker 2: You couldn't get in there with a truck. But I
Speaker 2: have a jeep small enough to get in, so that's
Speaker 2: what I did. I pulled in and came down. That's
Speaker 2: like a four wheeler trail. Basically. I came in and
Speaker 2: I started to go. You got to go down the hill,
Speaker 2: and it's it's through an area that's been mined, like
Speaker 2: they mined right through the middle of it. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many years ago, on hundred years ago, I
Speaker 2: don't know. So you go start going down the road.
Speaker 2: There's a limestone road that goes through it. And as
Speaker 2: we came over the hill, we were there fifteen seconds
Speaker 2: and I was not filming, and I kicked myself for this.
Speaker 2: It was about eight o'clock. We start going down the
Speaker 2: hill and you know when you your how your high
Speaker 2: beams are your how your beams project ahead. If you're
Speaker 2: about to go down a hill. So the hills like
Speaker 2: this and your jeep's coming like this, you're hitting up
Speaker 2: high right. Well, I got the right about here, and
Speaker 2: I saw these two eyeballs this bit and that far apart,
Speaker 2: and it was about five foot off the ground. Bam.
Speaker 2: I stopped. I went oh my to everybody, and they
Speaker 2: all of a sudden the jeep went oh my, and
Speaker 2: it's just these giant eyeballs, bright greenish yellow. Bam. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my. And it went and looked this way,
Speaker 2: looked back, and then it stood up three foot taller,
Speaker 2: and I went, oh, Mike, we're watching this thing. And
Speaker 2: it just goes and her her daughter goes, oh Mike.
Speaker 2: And then it looked away this way, looked back again,
Speaker 2: put his head down and took three funky steps and
Speaker 2: was in the little forest going and wow, like and
Speaker 2: I hear, Kate go, Kate go, did you I said, kay,
Speaker 2: did you see that? She's like his eyes were so bright,
Speaker 2: and and she goes, did you see the deer? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I didn't even notice there were deer
Speaker 2: there because I was so focused on him. She said,
Speaker 2: there were two deer, two smaller green green eyes behind it,
Speaker 2: about ten yards behind it. He was hunting, we think
Speaker 2: he was hunting, and he was behind this big tree.
Speaker 2: As we came over the hill, he was right there
Speaker 2: at the tree. She crunched down because he was like
Speaker 2: this looking, you know, at the deer, and he turned
Speaker 2: his head like that at us, and that's when he
Speaker 2: turned and then he stood up and was like, oh
Speaker 2: so oh. It was like it was it was so awesome,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if I have a little video
Speaker 2: I put out and it's just the video of us
Speaker 2: being excited, like like we're so excited like a little kid.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm sorry, I blinded you. Like it was.
Speaker 2: It was awesome, like the whole family, Christina. Christina said
Speaker 2: she looked and was like she said, she blinked like
Speaker 2: a long blink and opened her eyes and it was
Speaker 2: still there, Like this is real. Because she had not
Speaker 2: had she had not had a real encounter. She'd had
Speaker 2: things following us. She's been in the woods, We've had
Speaker 2: a lot of weird stuff happened. But that was there
Speaker 2: and it was no taking it back. You know, it
Speaker 2: was there and that was really cool. That's what we
Speaker 2: talked about today on the Legend Seekers as we all
Speaker 2: three were on there talking about what just happened with that.
Speaker 1: That's exciting stuff.
Speaker 2: It was. It was so cool. Well three days later,
Speaker 2: three days later, all right, my son and my daughter
Speaker 2: are jealous. They're so jealous that they didn't get to
Speaker 2: see that. And I picked them up. They had a
Speaker 2: day off on Monday. There it was some holiday and
Speaker 2: last Monday it was two Mondays ago. This was just
Speaker 2: last week, a week before, and so that happened Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
Speaker 2: then Monday. I picked them up. We had just enough time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, on the way home, let's go
Speaker 2: out there. I'll take you guys out. We go drive
Speaker 2: around a little bit, go check out, and we'll check
Speaker 2: the gifting spots. And you know, I wanted to put
Speaker 2: some apples out and put some different things out in
Speaker 2: this area and start trying to make it friendly. So
Speaker 2: I take him over there. We walk up to to
Speaker 2: where it's at where we saw him, and there's another
Speaker 2: little area. I went in and there's a game trail
Speaker 2: back there, and I found footprints on the game trail.
Speaker 2: They weren't huge, they were not the ones that matched him,
Speaker 2: but they were definitely footprints, and there was four of
Speaker 2: them in a row. My daughter's like, oh, I see
Speaker 2: one too, Like, we're following this footprint. I got like
Speaker 2: we did a little video. I was like, we're following
Speaker 2: the footprints, you know, And I made a cast. I
Speaker 2: came back and made the cast. It was this one.
Speaker 2: See how good the toes are? Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I made it was on a rock.
Speaker 2: This was a rock that it was on top of,
Speaker 2: but the toes are awesome on it. And so there
Speaker 2: was this was the best one to get. So I
Speaker 2: made that cat. Well. I called Christine. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't have any plaster, but we found some footprints.
Speaker 2: Can you come meet us. She's like, yeah, i'll come eat.
Speaker 2: So she came at fifteen minutes from our house and
Speaker 2: she came and met me, and I made the cast
Speaker 2: and like, let's go for a little hike while it's
Speaker 2: you know, while the cast, the plaster's drying. So now
Speaker 2: I'm with my son and my daughter and her and
Speaker 2: we go down this little horse trail that goes back
Speaker 2: through these hills. And as I'm coming back, it's getting
Speaker 2: like thirty maybe twenty minutes before dark, and I got
Speaker 2: a little turned around and I missed my turn where
Speaker 2: I wanted to go. So I'm like, shoot, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at my GPS. I'm like, we got to go straight
Speaker 2: this way. We're just going to go through the woods, guys,
Speaker 2: let's just do it, you know. So we went off
Speaker 2: off trail straight through the woods and I ended up
Speaker 2: in this little valley and went up a hill and
Speaker 2: down into this little valley. And it was for Florida,
Speaker 2: sixty foot down into a valley is very rare. You
Speaker 2: don't have stuff like that. And we're walking into this
Speaker 2: valley and I just froze. Dude. It was five and
Speaker 2: a half foot tall, standing on the right hand side
Speaker 2: of the trail, standing there, and it took one, two,
Speaker 2: three steps and went to all four and when it
Speaker 2: hit it was it never missed a beat. I stopped, Oh,
Speaker 2: oh my god. And he just went. He was twenty
Speaker 2: yards away, at most twenty yards. He was right there,
Speaker 2: and he went. He was going from right to left.
Speaker 2: He was over here, and he took two steps, three steps,
Speaker 2: and on like the It was like probably the third
Speaker 2: step he went down to all fours and He wasn't
Speaker 2: much taller than me, but he was twice as wide,
Speaker 2: and it had the most I'll never forget this, the
Speaker 2: most beautiful hair I've ever seen on an animal, on
Speaker 2: a creature or anything in the wild. His hair was
Speaker 2: jet black and it looked like it had been blowed,
Speaker 2: dried and brushed. It was perfect, like almost like a
Speaker 2: sheine to it. Wow, it was beautiful. And he freaking
Speaker 2: my son saw it. And my son didn't see him
Speaker 2: go to didn't see him go to all fours. He
Speaker 2: just saw him moving because when it hit the grass,
Speaker 2: it didn't stop. It was I didn't. It was so
Speaker 2: natural for that thing to go to all fours and
Speaker 2: it was like it hit another gear and he went through,
Speaker 2: piling through the bushes. Christina never saw it. My daughter
Speaker 2: never saw it because we were in line with each
Speaker 2: other and it just was crossing right in front of us.
Speaker 2: You know, they could hear it, but they never could
Speaker 2: see it. The way he was running up it. My
Speaker 2: son I picked him up as as as he's running off,
Speaker 2: and my son can see his head and his back
Speaker 2: and then it goes to two legs and goes back
Speaker 2: up the hill back the two legs and goes up
Speaker 2: and was gone, like, oh my god, that just happened,
Speaker 2: like bonowesh, like we just watched up. We just watched
Speaker 2: a young sasquatch go running in front of us, and like,
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything move the way that thing moved.
Speaker 2: I'd never seen something so well maintained and beautiful like
Speaker 2: this thing was beautiful, Like I was blown away.
Speaker 1: My goodness, what And that just happened within the last
Speaker 1: few weeks. You're saying, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: We we we've had and and so that had just
Speaker 2: happened a week and a half ago. Wow, that just happened.
Speaker 2: And it was three days apart from the eye shine,
Speaker 2: and about three days before that eye shine, we had
Speaker 2: another quick eye shine, Like as I was pulling down
Speaker 2: that same road to take you in, something walked out
Speaker 2: and went back in like that. It was quick, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't like one hundred percent like I know, I
Speaker 2: saw eyes, they were it were yellow screen. Again. I
Speaker 2: was like, dude, I just saw something, but it was
Speaker 2: like that this was We watched it for fifteen seconds
Speaker 2: doing this, you know, and then this thing crossed in
Speaker 2: front of us. It was like what what everybody dreams
Speaker 2: to see? And I wasn't filming. Wow, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, that is usually what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd have since bought a body camera and
Speaker 2: I've gone into that area. I actually went in there
Speaker 2: yesterday and I just put some stuff up in there.
Speaker 2: I put some apples in there. My secret is Recy's
Speaker 2: Rec's peanut butter cups. They love Recey's peanut butter cups.
Speaker 2: Once they get a taste for them, they want them.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to find out what's going to
Speaker 2: be back in there because I feel I feel like
Speaker 2: we're going to see it again.
Speaker 1: It would be really interesting if you figure out a
Speaker 1: way to do kind of how Scott Carpenter was doing,
Speaker 1: how he had the camera on his back as he's
Speaker 1: walking through the area and he was getting a lot
Speaker 1: of interesting things. I know Harley Owens does this too,
Speaker 1: and it's eastern Tennessee, but I'm sure it would the
Speaker 1: same thing would work in Florida and you would might
Speaker 1: even get some tree peakers or who knows what'll show up.
Speaker 2: You know, I actually have I have quite a few.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start sharing them and you'll see them pop
Speaker 2: up because I'm gonna start putting all my content out
Speaker 2: there again for my channel so it can be seen.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of blurry pictures and they're exactly
Speaker 2: from doing that. But what I was doing was I
Speaker 2: would be walking, and the more I would walk around,
Speaker 2: I would I would I started hearing things behind me,
Speaker 2: you know, and I realized that every time I picked
Speaker 2: my phone up and was recorded, they would start falling
Speaker 2: behind me. Crunch, crunch, crunch. I'd hear little things. So
Speaker 2: I realized that they don't know what this thing is
Speaker 2: in my hand, but it distracts me. So that's when
Speaker 2: they would be moving. So what I started doing was,
Speaker 2: instead of filming forward, I was filming behind me. So
Speaker 2: I was holding my phone, but I was filming behind
Speaker 2: me and I could actually see as I'm walking. And
Speaker 2: I started the same thing. I started getting things and
Speaker 2: I'd go back. And what I don't understand is how
Speaker 2: can you not see something and then go back and
Speaker 2: look at your video and see it later, which is
Speaker 2: mind boggling to me. How can just not be there
Speaker 2: and then see on a video.
Speaker 1: It'll also be amazing as you start to put up,
Speaker 1: you know, footage you've taken on your YouTube channel and
Speaker 1: the cool thing about that is, you know, you just
Speaker 1: throw stuff up and people will start to you know,
Speaker 1: it happens in mind too, where they're like, oh, did
Speaker 1: you notice the thing in the background at like thirty
Speaker 1: minutes in, and like, oh, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You check it out and like yes, the same thing
Speaker 1: that happens is to Scott Carpenter's channels, Like you get
Speaker 1: thousands of eyes on it and people start to notice things.
Speaker 1: It's very cool your crowdsource the investigation of the footage.
Speaker 1: But you know, Mike, it has been just a fantastic
Speaker 1: conversation with you, and thank you so much for sharing
Speaker 1: what you have experienced over the years, your growth in
Speaker 1: the way that you are now an investigator. It is
Speaker 1: a fascinating story.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, man, thank you a lot. You know,
Speaker 2: it's awesome. It's been a cool ride. And getting to
Speaker 2: do with my family it just makes that much more,
Speaker 2: you know, and Mid Florida like we've become an amazing group,
Speaker 2: you know, and we're that way because of our different
Speaker 2: angle and we have kids, we take kids out, and
Speaker 2: we have women. You got one guy, a couple of
Speaker 2: guys and mostly women and we we you know, we
Speaker 2: take groups of people out and take I've taken groups
Speaker 2: of forty people into the middle of the Everglades by
Speaker 2: my you know, forty people leading the way into the
Speaker 2: middle of the Everglades. And we take kids camping, We do
Speaker 2: all we do stuff that not many people do, and
Speaker 2: we don't pay for it. We just pay for what
Speaker 2: it costs to be at the spot, you know, and
Speaker 2: we have a blast. Usually me and Christina take our kids.
Speaker 2: We go our way with the kids in the group,
Speaker 2: and Marie takes the other group and she does her
Speaker 2: thing with the adults and we kind of split them
Speaker 2: and we have a blast, like we have an absolute
Speaker 2: blast doing it. And it's you know, it's given us
Speaker 2: and we're finding legit evidence while spending time with our
Speaker 2: families and getting other people involved. That's what's awesome.
Speaker 1: Which is such a cool combination. And I know, I
Speaker 1: wish there was I wish there was more. I think
Speaker 1: it's great that you guys are doing that and hopefully
Speaker 1: that catches on, especially with the Legend Seekers uh series
Speaker 1: that that is going to be coming out. But would
Speaker 1: you mind if you'd be able to take a few
Speaker 1: minutes how people can you know, keep up to date
Speaker 1: with what you guys are doing through your organization down
Speaker 1: there in Florida and maybe uh, you know, uh contact
Speaker 1: you if if they would like and things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my personal information is on my Facebook page,
Speaker 2: and my Facebook page is turned into my Squatch page.
Speaker 2: It's a squatch an FL and it's under Mike Aguilar,
Speaker 2: but it's I just haven't listened to squatch on FL.
Speaker 2: And all my contact information is on there, my email,
Speaker 2: my phone numbers even on there Mid Florida. We have
Speaker 2: all different kind of ways to find that. To contact
Speaker 2: us me or Marie, you know Marie Dumont or that's
Speaker 2: really the two. You would contact me or her. We
Speaker 2: have Mid Florida website, mid Florida Facebook page, Messenger, any
Speaker 2: way you want to find it. I have a YouTube
Speaker 2: channel now that i've been I'm actively trying to grow,
Speaker 2: and that's the same thing squatching FL and that's the
Speaker 2: best way to get in touch with us. And we're
Speaker 2: gonna putting a lot of stuff out I mean we
Speaker 2: work hard, We work real hard. I think personally maybe
Speaker 2: we put more legit stuff out there than just about
Speaker 2: any group or any people do. I mean we because
Speaker 2: we we're out a lot and we find a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, and to find a lot, you got to
Speaker 2: be out a lot. And that's what we're doing. And
Speaker 2: it's awesome, and you know, we love it. It's become
Speaker 2: it has become our. If I'm not with Marie and
Speaker 2: the group she's with, she's with with Bob or somebody
Speaker 2: else and they're doing something over here in a different
Speaker 2: area in Florida, me and Christina are with over here Ruby,
Speaker 2: she's over here in her place. We may not all
Speaker 2: be together, but we're all out almost every weekend somewhere,
Speaker 2: which is incredible. Yeah, right now, right right now. I
Speaker 2: live fifteen minutes away, so it's easy for me to
Speaker 2: go in almost daily sometimes and just go in for
Speaker 2: an hour, two hours, walk around, check out things. That's
Speaker 2: what I've been doing. That's why I've been finding so much.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Mike, is such a cool story. We
Speaker 1: will definitely be keeping up to date with what you
Speaker 1: guys are getting into next and following along with the
Speaker 1: channel and the organization down there. But thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking some time out of your night and
Speaker 1: coming on the show today. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if you ever want to have another
Speaker 2: conversation later check out with us. Maybe I could have
Speaker 2: my son come on. You'll get a kick out of
Speaker 2: having him. You would have a blast having him talk
Speaker 2: to him. He's awesome. He's not your average little eleven
Speaker 2: year old. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, that sounds that sounds great. Thank you so much, Mike. Yes, sir,
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