1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to just close your eyes for 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,120 a second and imagine this. You're an archivist, maybe decades 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,320 from now, and your job is to review the most 4 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:12,679 sensitive lockdown files in your nation's history, right, and you 5 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:15,960 find something that just doesn't make sense, not because it's 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,879 blacked out or censored, but because the government kept this 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,559 thing locked away for generations, not to hide a secret 8 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:26,480 from an enemy, but because well, internally, they couldn't make 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,519 it fit with reality. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we're looking at today, these documents, 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,920 and we have synthesized, I mean a whole stack of 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:38,000 them for you. They are way beyond rumors or speculation. 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: Oh. 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: These are authentic intelligence memos, official operational logs, and some 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,359 frankly terrifying proposals, all confirmed as real by the governments 16 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:48,119 that created them. 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,399 Speaker 1: And that's a real tension here, isn't it. The most 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,039 unsettling truths are often found not in what authorities are 19 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:56,759 trying to hide, but in what they finally admit is 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,159 authentic and then just refuse to explain. Welcome to thrilling threads. 21 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:03,439 We know that if you're listening, you want to be 22 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:07,599 well informed quickly. But also you know thoroughly. You want 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,879 to understand the files that genuinely break the official narrative, 24 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:14,480 these confirmed oddities that challenge everything we think we know 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,480 about history, physics, and even human morality. 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,159 Speaker 2: And that is precisely our mission for this deep dive. 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,239 We've organized this stack of declassified reports into two main, 28 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:29,200 and I have to say, deeply unsettling categories. Okay, first, 29 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:31,519 we're going to look at evidence concerning let's call them 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,200 psychological frontiers and non conventional phenomena. These are reports where 31 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:39,159 reality itself just seems to stop obeying the rules. 32 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:40,239 Speaker 1: And the second category, the. 33 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: Second category, is in some ways even more chilling. These 34 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,599 are documents that reveal the unbelievable covert plans and capabilities 35 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:51,760 that were designed and nearly executed by the governments themselves. 36 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: So we're really taking you deep into the archives today, 37 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:58,680 right into that place where the line between historical fact 38 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:02,400 and outright science fiction just completely dissolves. 39 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: It really does. 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,159 Speaker 1: Let's unpack this, and I think we have to start 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,840 with the Cold Wars obsession with the ultimate frontier, the 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,400 human mind. The moment we step into the intelligence archives 43 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:16,000 of the Cold War, I mean, you're in a different world. 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,879 It's a place where paranoia just fueled this almost limitless exploration. 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: It really did. The operating principle was, if the enemy 46 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:26,039 might be doing it, we have to do it. 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: Better, no matter how absurd it sounds. 48 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,439 Speaker 2: Absolutely regardless of the premise. And that's really the only 49 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:33,400 way to contextualize the reality of something like Project Stargate. 50 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: So if anyone who hasn't heard of it, what was 51 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Project Stargate? 52 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: Project Stargate was a very real, very classified CIA program 53 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,879 we're talking, primarily housed in the late nineteen seventies and 54 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:48,400 early nineteen eighties, and it was dedicated to exploring and 55 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,120 well utilizing what they termed remote viewing. 56 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: Which is their technical term for psychic intelligence gathering. 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: Basically, that's it in a nutshell, And this wasn't some 58 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:59,879 backroom experiment with a couple guys. It received significant fun 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,879 it was run by serious personnel, and the thousands of 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,560 pages confirming its operational existence were later to classified. 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,759 Speaker 1: So this was a functioning intelligence operation, not a joke. 62 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: Not at all. But you know, the existence of the 63 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,960 program itself, that's almost historical trivia at this point, right, 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,599 what really shifts this whole thing from just history into 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,400 let's call it high strangeness. Is one specific operational session. 66 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:23,800 It's dated nineteen eighty. 67 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: Four, and this is where the file just stops making 68 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,199 any kind of logical sense. 69 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:30,719 Speaker 2: To an outsider completely. So here's the setup. A remote viewer, 70 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,960 his identity is redacted, of course, but his existence is confirmed, 71 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,680 was given a set of sealed geographical coordinates and he 72 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,919 was just told describe what you perceive instructions very and 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,039 the recorded transcript of that session it details a genuinely 74 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:53,800 mind bending perception. The viewer starts describing these colossal integrated structures, 75 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,479 I mean, architectural complex is on an immense scale. 76 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:56,919 Speaker 1: Wow. 77 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,199 Speaker 2: He spoke of tall, towering humanoid figures. He described them 78 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:04,479 as distinctly non terrestrial, and he articulated this this deeply 79 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:08,520 felt sensation of observing what he himself identified as a 80 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:11,639 dying or a nearly extinct civilization, which. 81 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Is already unsettling. I mean, if the coordinates had been 82 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:18,759 some secret Soviet base or Chinese naval installation, it. 83 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:22,079 Speaker 2: Would have been filed as operational intelligence, you know, a 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,920 success or a failure, but within the realm of the mission. 85 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:28,959 But that wasn't the target, not even close the actual 86 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:32,079 target reveal, which was sealed until the session was over. 87 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,279 That's the critical, truly inexplicable detail. 88 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: So what was it? 89 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:40,959 Speaker 2: The session supervisor revealed The coordinates didn't point anywhere on Earth. 90 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,600 They pointed to the planet Mars, Mars, and not even 91 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,639 Mars as it is now or as it was in 92 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,399 the eighties. The target was Mars specifically approximately one million 93 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,160 years in the past. 94 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:53,759 Speaker 1: So icy can't wrap my head around that they were 95 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,480 tasking him with what amounts to psychic deep time travel. 96 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: That's what the document says. And I sometimes think about 97 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,519 the kind of institutional gravity you'd need for an intelligence 98 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,360 agency to even conceive of such a target. I mean, 99 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:13,160 this is an agency dedicated to verifiable, strategic, actionable intelligence. 100 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: And here they are focusing on ancient Martian history. 101 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: The transcript goes into even more detail. It describes thin 102 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,800 atmospheric conditions, shelters built directly into the terrain, and observations 103 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,519 of highly intelligent, clearly non human beings who were and 104 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,800 this is a direct quote, actively aware of their own 105 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:32,000 societal collapse. 106 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: Okay, So in any normal context, a report like that 107 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:39,839 would be immediately flagged. You'd call it fantasy, a mental breakdown. 108 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:40,959 Maybe even fabrication. 109 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:44,759 Speaker 2: It would be quarantined. It would be an outlier, a failure, 110 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,920 flagged for deep deep scrutiny. But the enduring mystery of 111 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:51,480 this file is its archiabal status. 112 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: Right, the CIA reviewed it, and they did not dismiss 113 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,160 it as a hallucination. 114 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,439 Speaker 2: Not at all. It was archived with the same rigorous classification, 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,639 the same sidural seriousness as any other session that might 116 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,480 have targeted you know, real data in Moscow or Beijing. 117 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,879 Speaker 1: So no notes in the margin saying this guy lost. 118 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,959 Speaker 2: It, no notes dismissing the content is unreliable, No official 119 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 rebuttal was included. 120 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: Nothing. So when the files were finally declassified around twenty seventeen, 121 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,639 the confirmation was sort of triple layered. 122 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. Layer one, the 123 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,040 target program was real. Layer two, this specific session targeting 124 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,600 ancient Mars was conducted exactly as written, And layer three 125 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,519 the documents detailing this impossible event are authentic official US 126 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:35,759 government reports. 127 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: And the massive gaping hole in all of this is 128 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,680 the why the agency provided and still provides zero explanation 129 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,759 for why a session targeting deep space and deep time 130 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:50,920 was commissioned, or conducted or preserved without any kind of rebuttal. 131 00:06:51,079 --> 00:06:55,199 Speaker 2: Why was this treated as potentially actionable intelligence exactly? The 132 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,680 only plausible historical context really is that Cold War anything 133 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,800 goes mentality we mentioned earlier, intelligence analysis is all about 134 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:04,839 avoiding catastrophic. 135 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: Failure, so they couldn't afford to be wrong. 136 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: Precisely, if there was even a fractional chance that the 137 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:10,959 Soviets had some kind of psychic technology that could give 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,879 them deep strategic insight maybe I don't know historical data 139 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,680 about resource distribution or geological structures, then the US felt 140 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,680 compelled to pursue the same lines of inquiry. 141 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,759 Speaker 1: They had to cover every base, no matter how ridiculous they. 142 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,879 Speaker 2: Had to, and the preservation of the Mars session suggests 143 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:28,959 that they just couldn't afford the risk of discarding data 144 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,040 that might, in some unknown way prove strategically relevant down 145 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:33,600 the line. 146 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: So what we're left with is an authentic government document 147 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,079 confirming a completely impossible objective. 148 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: And it forces you to completely redefine what qualifies as 149 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:47,920 operational data inside those highly secretive walls. 150 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: It is truly unnerving. Now, let's pivot from what the 151 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,959 CIA was doing internally to something bizarre that the CIA 152 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,920 was merely reporting on allegedly sourced from their Soviet counterparts, 153 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:02,800 the Iberian petrification incident. Right. 154 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,639 Speaker 2: So, this specific and I should say a highly speculative 155 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,920 incident appears in a CIA document compiled during the Cold War. 156 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,639 Speaker 1: And it's important to stress this right, the US never 157 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:13,000 verified these claims. 158 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: Never. They were allegedly based on intelligence reports that originated 159 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,040 from Soviet sources, probably passed through intermediaries. But the very 160 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:22,959 fact that it exists in the CIA's highly sensitive files, 161 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:25,279 that's the enduring question mark here. 162 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,079 Speaker 1: So what does the document claim happened? 163 00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: The incidents supposedly took place in a remote, almost unreachable 164 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,840 part of Siberia sometime in the nineteen fifties. According to 165 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,200 the document, local villagers reported seeing a low flying disc 166 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,039 shaped or maybe spherical object that was maneuvering radically and 167 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,679 hovering over the dense forest. 168 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: And of course the Soviets would have sent someone to investigate. 169 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: The report says Soviet military units, and we can probably 170 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,919 assume special forces or internal security were dispatched to the 171 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,559 location to investigate this UFO when they found it. The 172 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,919 document alleges the soldiers, either because of protocol or maybe 173 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,559 just panic, open fire on the object. 174 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,519 Speaker 1: And the object's response. 175 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: In response, the object emitted a sudden, exceptionally intense flash. 176 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:13,519 Speaker 1: Of light and incomes the really bizarre part, the aftermath. 177 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:17,159 Speaker 2: The bizarre, almost mythological aftermath. The report states, with just 178 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,720 this alarming lack of any scientific explanation, that the Soviet 179 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,799 soldiers were found turned into a stone like substance. 180 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: So not burned, not dismembered. 181 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: No, the language in the source material specifically suggested a 182 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,879 form of instant complete petrification, which is. 183 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:34,879 Speaker 1: It's a scientifically impossible. 184 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: Claim, absolutely, And that's exactly why the fact that the 185 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,919 CIA archived it and kept it under high classification for 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,120 decades is so telling. 187 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: They didn't verify it, they didn't treat it as fact. 188 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: But and this is the crucial analytical detail, they also 189 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,559 didn't explicitly mark it as disinformation. It wasn't labeled a 190 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:54,039 fabrication or a low credibility hoax. 191 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: So what does that tell us about how intelligence analysis works? 192 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:02,039 Why would you waste sensitive file space on what sounds 193 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,519 like a sci fi horror story. 194 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,399 Speaker 2: Well, it really illustrates the nature of threat modeling during 195 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,600 the Cold War. Like I said, intelligence organizations, they save 196 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,840 everything but the lack of that hoax a label implies 197 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,960 something important. What's that it implies the analysts couldn't immediately 198 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:19,480 rule out the possibility that the Soviet Union was either 199 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,919 covering up some kind of catastrophic, unknown technological failure or 200 00:10:23,919 --> 00:10:26,519 something worse, or even more alarmingly, that they were actually 201 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,200 developing a weapon system capable of producing effects that seemed 202 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,080 to violate the known laws of physics. 203 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: So the analyst feared that dismissing this strange report might 204 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,440 mean missing some new, bizarre strategic capability the enemy was developing. 205 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,919 Speaker 2: Exactly, It's less about confirming that soldiers actually turned to Stone, 206 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,200 and more about confirming that the Soviets had a file 207 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,120 about soldiers turning to Stone. 208 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: That institutional decision to lock up this unverified, impossible event 209 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,320 as a matter of sensitive intelligence. It really speaks volumes 210 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,679 about the paranoia of the time. 211 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,799 Speaker 2: It does lip liies that for a period a secret 212 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,600 US file acknowledged the possibility of reality itself being weaponized. 213 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:08,159 Speaker 1: Okay, if that first section dealt with files that challenged 214 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,919 the frontiers of the mind and speculative intelligence, this next 215 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:15,080 section moves as squarely into documented physical reality. 216 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: Yes, we're talking about phenomena captured by hard censored data 217 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,720 multiple military eyewitnesses, where the objects involved display characteristics that 218 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:27,080 simply defy classical physics and all known aerospace engineering. 219 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: And we have to start with a cornerstone of documented 220 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:34,120 military UAP encounters. This one is backed by a verifiable, 221 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,919 official military memo, the Rendelsham Forest incident. 222 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: This took place in December of nineteen eighty near two 223 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,159 US Air Force bases in Suffolk, England, RAF Bentwaters and 224 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:47,559 RAF Woodbridge. 225 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: Now, the initial public response to these reports of strange 226 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:55,000 lights descending into the forest, it was pretty predictable. 227 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: Right, oh, completely, It was a simple swift dismissal, you know, 228 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,240 is attributed to a nearby lighthouse or maybe stray meteors, 229 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,639 the usual explanations. 230 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: But the truth started to come out years later, and 231 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:08,159 it came out in the form of a memorandum written 232 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,200 by the deputy base commander, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt. 233 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: The Halt Memo is the smoking gun here because it's 234 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,240 an official, verifiable military document that details the event from 235 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,399 a command perspective. 236 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: And what does it say. 237 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:23,799 Speaker 2: Halt describes his team going out to investigate a glowing 238 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:27,320 metallic object that was maneuvering silently through the dense cluster 239 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,120 of trees. This wasn't just a static light in the 240 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:30,960 sky now. 241 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,639 Speaker 1: It was a physical object performing sophisticated levers exactly. 242 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: Furthermore, the memo records that this object emitted intense beams 243 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,279 of light, shining them down onto the forest floor. And 244 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,399 later the team observed the object ascend rapidly and split 245 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,879 into five distinct airborne. 246 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:49,159 Speaker 1: Entities, and then they were gone. 247 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:50,639 Speaker 2: A high speed exit from the area. 248 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: Yes, but the crucial part, the thing that elevates this 249 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:59,000 beyond just a really compelling eyewitness account is the physical data. 250 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: That's the key. The memo explicitly detailed that radiation readings 251 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,840 were taken at the alleged landing site, and. 252 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: These readings were officially recorded as being above background levels in. 253 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: Three specific depressions that they found in the ground. 254 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: Yes, so when the Halt memo was finally declassified and released, 255 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,080 the US military couldn't really deny it. 256 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: They couldn't, and they didn't. They never disputed its authenticity. 257 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:25,759 It's a genuine, authenticated military log signed by a high 258 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,679 ranking officer. 259 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,399 Speaker 1: So what was their official statement? 260 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 2: Their public statement was an absolute masterpiece of strategic silence. 261 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,879 They merely concluded that no threat was identified. 262 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,279 Speaker 1: That is the ultimate institutional dodge. It's a pattern we 263 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,440 see over and over again. 264 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: It is the official record confirms an object that maneuvers impossibly, 265 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:49,200 It confirms it left physical, quantifiable evidence those radiation spikes, 266 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:52,840 and then they just shrug and conclude it poses no threat. 267 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: It leaves the biggest questions just hanging there. What caused 268 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,559 the radiation spikes? What was the object? 269 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: By confirming the data but dismissing the significance, the military 270 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:06,159 is essentially confirming that they detected an advanced non conventional 271 00:14:06,159 --> 00:14:09,679 presence in highly restricted airspace and they simply cannot account 272 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:09,960 for it. 273 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: And that pattern of internal confirmation followed by a public dismissal, 274 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,879 it basically became institutional policy. We see it very clearly. 275 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: In the UK, which brings us to the declassification of 276 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:24,960 the UK Ministry of Defense or mad UFO files. This 277 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:27,120 happened between twenty eight and twenty. 278 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,639 Speaker 1: Thirteen, and for years the UK government had officially denied 279 00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:30,960 they took any of this seriously. 280 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: They did, but under significant public pressure freedom of information requests, 281 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,559 they were finally compelled to release over one hundred and 282 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,600 fifty thousand pages of internal reports and analyzes. 283 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: And that release allowed people to compare what they were 284 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,399 saying internally versus what they were saying publicly. 285 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: And the contradiction is profound. Internally, mod analysts repeatedly acknowledged 286 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:57,120 sightings of objects displaying well acceleration, maneuverability, and stealth capabilities 287 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,480 that were demonstrably beyond anything in the UK's inventory or 288 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:04,320 any known adversarial nations inventory. 289 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,519 Speaker 1: So the memos that were only meant for internal eyes 290 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,440 for threat assessment they said something very different. 291 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,279 Speaker 2: They explicitly stated that some sightings could not be attributed 292 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,279 to conventional aircraft, known atmospheric phenomena or censor errors. That right, 293 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,639 there is internal acceptance of impossible performance characteristics. 294 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,559 Speaker 1: They had physical proof of technology beyond their comprehension operating 295 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:27,679 in their sovereign airspace. 296 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and yet despite these deeply unsettling internal findings, the 297 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,320 ultimate public conclusion the MAD delivered was one of let's 298 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,039 call it, deliberate ambiguity. 299 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,399 Speaker 1: They formally stated that UFOs posed no known threat to 300 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:44,039 UK defenses and therefore were not worth for their official study. 301 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:48,039 Speaker 2: The depth of that contradiction is a stunning political choice. 302 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,720 How can you internally acknowledge the existence of impossible physics 303 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,559 technology that could literally redefine global power and then publicly 304 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,120 conclude it's not worth studying. 305 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: It suggests one or two things, right think. 306 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,279 Speaker 2: So, either they already know exactly what these things are 307 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,799 and have a strategic reason to maintain this institutional. 308 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,759 Speaker 1: Denial, or and this may be more frightening. 309 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: Or they genuinely cannot identify the source and have calculated 310 00:16:13,399 --> 00:16:15,799 that it is less to stabilizing to just ignore the 311 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,279 phenomenon than to publicly admit they can't control or explain 312 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,840 what's happening in their own airspace. 313 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: So the files prove the institution recognized the reality of it, 314 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:26,519 but they strategically denied its significance. 315 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: And this strategic denial brings us right up to the 316 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,919 modern day to the most contemporary and highly documented version 317 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,360 of this paradox, the US Navy UAP encounters. 318 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,159 Speaker 1: And these are not historical anomalies from the eighties. These 319 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:42,240 are recent, and in some cases routine events. 320 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:46,799 Speaker 2: We're discussing encounters documented routinely between twenty four and twenty fifteen, 321 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,799 often happening right near US military training zones. Off the 322 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:51,919 Pacific coast. 323 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: And the evidence base for these is just overwhelming. It is. 324 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: It includes radar logs from advanced AGIS systems, corroborating report 325 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,759 words from multiple trained military pilots, high resolution infra red footage, 326 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:07,480 and even high level internal Navy briefings. 327 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: But what's really revolutionary about these declassified documents is the 328 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,200 consistent description of performance metrics that are not just advanced, 329 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,720 they fundamentally violate known aeros based engineering principles. 330 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,559 Speaker 2: Let's actually detail the impossibility of the actions that were 331 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:24,480 witnessed and recorded. 332 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:27,279 Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with acceleration. What were the pilots reporting. 333 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:32,319 Speaker 2: They reported objects instantaneously dropping from altitudes of eighty thousand feet, 334 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:35,200 where the air is incredibly thin and cold, down to 335 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,000 sea level in just a matter of seconds. If any 336 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:42,000 conventional plane tried that, the sheer aerodynamic friction generated at 337 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:45,559 those speeds would instantly vaporize the metal. It wouldn't survive, not. 338 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: To mention the G forces. 339 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 2: The G forces involved in that kind of sudden, violent 340 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,720 deceleration would instantly liquidate any known human pilot. It would 341 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,480 probably shatter the structural integrity of the most brasilient unmanned drone. 342 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,200 We are talking about forces that exceed human tolerance by 343 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:03,480 several orders of magnitude, and. 344 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: The UAPs demonstrated this capability with no visible means of propulsion, 345 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:10,960 no wings, no engines, and. 346 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: The defiance of thermodynamics and gravity just continues. The objects 347 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,200 were reported to hover perfectly still, just sitting there, defying gravity, 348 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,799 yet generating zero detectable heat plumes and showing zero visible 349 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:23,799 means of lift. 350 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: So no jets, no rockets, not even helicopter blades. Nothing. 351 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,279 Speaker 2: And then there is the speed. They were tracked, traveling 352 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:34,640 at hypersonic velocities, often exceeding mock five times the speed 353 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,039 of sound. 354 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: But critically, they produce no sonic boom. 355 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: And that's not an optional byproduct of speed. A sonic 356 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:43,799 boom is an inescapable consequence of displacing air faster than 357 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:44,599 the speed of sound. 358 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: So to move that fast without a boom implies a 359 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,720 technology that is somehow manipulating or canceling the physics of 360 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:52,599 air displacement around the craft. 361 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: That's the only logical conclusion and the most unsettling reports, 362 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:00,599 particularly the ones from the Nimtz Carrier Group incidents, they 363 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,160 involved the objects appearing to drop directly into the ocean 364 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,240 without slowing down. 365 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: Any airframe hitting water at that speed would just disintegrate 366 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:09,920 into shrapnel. 367 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: But these UAPs transition seamlessly from the air to the 368 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,920 marine environment. It implies a kind of propulsion and material 369 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:21,079 science that is radically beyond anything we currently understand. 370 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: And the reports confirmed this wasn't an isolated incident. This 371 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:28,599 was happening sometimes daily for years near major military training complexes. 372 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: This level of activity, frequency and impossible performance, it represents 373 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,279 a profound, sustained operational security breach, And. 374 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: Once again the official response follows that familiar pattern we 375 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,359 saw with Rendelsham and the ukme out exactly. 376 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: The Pentagon confirmed the footage was authentic. They formally labeled 377 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,400 them Unidentified Aerial Phenomena UAPs, and the most crucial detail 378 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,000 of all. 379 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,759 Speaker 1: They did not deny that the objects were under intelligent control. 380 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,839 Speaker 2: They released the evidence that they confirmed the physics were broken. 381 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,960 They confirmed the objects were operating within a highly restricted 382 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:04,880 US military zones, but they offered zero identification. 383 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: So the common thread uniting the psychic Mars session and 384 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,000 the radar data of the tic TAC UAPs, it's the 385 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:19,039 official institutional confirmation of authentic but inexplicable data. 386 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: Governments are confirming that reality is fundamentally weirder than we think, 387 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,799 and then they engage in strategic silence about what it 388 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:26,440 all means. 389 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,599 Speaker 1: Okay, if the first two sections dealt with phenomena that 390 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,759 stretched the limits of science, this next category of declassified documents, 391 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,680 it reveals something far more immediate and honestly disturbing. Yeah. 392 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: These are the confirmed plans and capabilities designed by governments themselves, 393 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,440 actions that defy all reasonable ethics and accountability. 394 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,319 Speaker 1: These are files that show us the truly terrifying things 395 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:49,519 our leaders were willing to conceive of and in some 396 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:52,200 cases execute against their own people or rivals. 397 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:55,079 Speaker 2: And we absolutely must begin this section with what many 398 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,599 historians consider one of the most profoundly disturbing documents ever 399 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,000 declassified by the US govern Operation Northwoods. 400 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,039 Speaker 1: This was an official classified proposal drafted in nineteen sixty 401 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:07,839 two by WHO. 402 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,759 Speaker 2: By the US Department of Defense, and its aim was 403 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:14,119 to create public and international justification for a full scale 404 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,759 military invasion of Fidel Castro's Cuba. 405 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,839 Speaker 1: It's the methodology proposed within Northwoods that is just so chilling. 406 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:24,559 Speaker 2: It is it outlined a series of sophisticated, deadly false 407 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:28,160 flag operations. They were designed to be executed by US 408 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,519 military and intelligence assets, but with the express purpose of 409 00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:34,200 making it look like Cuban forces were responsible for all 410 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,400 the violence and chaos. 411 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: And let's get specific about the tactics they outlined, because 412 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,200 they were deeply unethical. 413 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: Oh there were. The plan included staging acts of terrorism 414 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,920 in American cities. It proposed sinking boats that were carrying 415 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,400 Cuban refugees fleeing to Florida, an act that would guarantee 416 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,720 the murder of innocent civilians, designed explicitly to generate outrage. 417 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:57,519 Speaker 1: They also detailed plans for hijacking US commercial aircraft. 418 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,079 Speaker 2: Yes, creating manufactured crises in major media outlets, and even 419 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,440 staging military attacks on US facilities, specifically targeting the naval 420 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,759 base at Guantanamo Bay. 421 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I often think about the concept of a 422 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,839 pretext for war. This document is the ultimate instruction manual 423 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,559 for manufacturing a pretext. 424 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: But what gives Northwoods its terrifying historical weight isn't just 425 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,640 the content, it's the signatures exactly. 426 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,759 Speaker 1: This wasn't some fringe idea dreamed up by a low 427 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:28,079 level analyst in a basement somewhere. 428 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:31,039 Speaker 2: Not at all. The document was officially signed by General 429 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,400 Lyman Lemnitzer, who was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs 430 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,440 of Staff. 431 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: The highest ranking military officer in the. 432 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: Country, which means it had been vetted, it was formalized, 433 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,640 and it reached the absolute highest levels of military command 434 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,240 for approval by the Secretary of Defense and ultimately the President. 435 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: Thankfully, President John F. Kennedy rejected the plan outright. He 436 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,480 prevented its implementation. 437 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: He did, but the report, which was classified for decades 438 00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:58,000 until it was released in the nineteen nineties, was confirmed 439 00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:00,960 by officials as being entirely real. It was an accurate 440 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,839 representation of proposed actions. 441 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: And the lasting chilling question is not just that it 442 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:11,039 was proposed, but how close this extreme, deadly plan to 443 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,200 intentionally murder American civilians and military personnel and blame it 444 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,519 on a foreign adversary, how close that came to being approved. 445 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: The document exists as factual, historical proof that the highest 446 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,440 echelon of the US military establishment had both the capacity 447 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:30,079 and the willingness to use mass murder and deceit as 448 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,559 a core mechanism of foreign policy. 449 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: And the fact that no adequate explanation or high level 450 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,599 accountability was ever issued for its conception, only that it 451 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,720 was rejected. It just leaves this enormous gap in public understanding. 452 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: It's a gap an understanding governmental ethical restraint or the 453 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,400 lack thereof during that period. It just shows the danger 454 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,799 of contingency planning when it's divorced from any kind of 455 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:52,759 ethical oversight. 456 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,599 Speaker 1: When you realize that such calculated, systematic deceit was formalized 457 00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:59,480 and signed off on by the most senior military officer 458 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,359 in the country, it forces you to question the foundations 459 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,839 of every conflict that followed. 460 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,599 Speaker 2: It really does. 461 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,839 Speaker 1: And speaking of terrifying capabilities confirmed be real, let's pivot 462 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,000 to a weapon that sounds like something out of pure 463 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,880 fiction but was unveiled as stark reality, the CIA's heart 464 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,480 attack gun. 465 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: This disclosure happened in nineteen seventy five during the Senate 466 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960 investigation known as the Church Committee. 467 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: Right, and that committee was tasked with investigating widespread abuses 468 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,119 and misuses of power by US intelligence agencies. 469 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,559 Speaker 2: Exactly and under direct legal compulsion, the CIA was forced 470 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,359 to disclose several of their most tightly held covert assassination 471 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,440 tools and operational methods and. 472 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,599 Speaker 1: Among those tools was this specialized weapon designed for the 473 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,480 perfect deniable assassination. 474 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: It was developed to fire a minuscule frozen dart. Reports 475 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,279 say it was made of a specialized shelfish toxin derived 476 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:53,640 from paralyzing agents. 477 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: The horror of it is in the mechanism's elegance. 478 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: It really is. The dart was designed to be frozen 479 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,000 and fired silently, often from a specialized compact pistol. Upon 480 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,799 penetrating the target's skin, which it could do through clothing, 481 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,160 the dart would dissolve almost instantly into the. 482 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: Bloodstream, leaving no external wound, no foreign object, nothing. 483 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: And the specialized toxin was precisely calibrated to induce immediate 484 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,119 cardiac arrest, perfectly mimicking a natural heart attack. 485 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,319 Speaker 1: So you can see the tactical and investigative nightmare this creates. 486 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, if the target was a healthy, middle aged 487 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,839 man who suddenly collapsed and died, an autopsy would show 488 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,079 no signs of physical trauma, no foreign object, and no 489 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,240 immediately detectable common poison. 490 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: The cause of death would almost certainly be recorded as 491 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,119 a natural myocardial infarction, a heart attack. 492 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: And the CIA didn't just talk about this weapon. They 493 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,480 admitted it existed, they demonstrated its function to the committee, 494 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:50,720 and they confirmed it had been tested on animals, proving 495 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,519 its efficacy. 496 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:56,839 Speaker 1: So those facts existence, demonstration, testing, that's all declassified it is. 497 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: But here's the critical lingering classified blank. The one question 498 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:05,720 that still remains sealed and protected by national security classification 499 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,480 is whether the weapon was ever actually used, whether it 500 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,920 was ever used for human assassination in an operational. 501 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,079 Speaker 1: Setting, and the fact that the agency is still so 502 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,480 aggressively protecting that information. What does that suggest. 503 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: Well, it suggests either that the answer is a confirmed 504 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,960 yes and releasing those details would cause severe political damage, 505 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,599 or that the capability itself is still considered current and 506 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,359 strategically too sensitive to acknowledge publicly. 507 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,039 Speaker 1: An untraceable weapon of state, it's maybe the most difficult 508 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,079 government's secret to reconcile it is. 509 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,839 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate ethical gray area, confirmed to be real, 510 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,440 yet its actual historical impact is still hidden behind that 511 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:46,599 veil of secrecy. 512 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,839 Speaker 1: Let's move on to a file that was revealed entirely 513 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,640 by accident and speaks volumes about international cooperation in highly 514 00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,240 sensitive non conventional intelligence. The Australian US Joined Operations Puzzle right. 515 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,559 Speaker 2: This centers on a classified Australian defense and intelligence report 516 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:05,160 that was compiled in nineteen seventy one. 517 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: And on the surface, what did it detail. 518 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,319 Speaker 2: It meticulously detailed joint aerial surveillance, intelligence sharing protocols and 519 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,440 even specific encounters with unidentified objects being tracked in partnership 520 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,599 with the United States, So it seemed. 521 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: Like standard operational communication, but it contained several major analytical 522 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,640 red flags. 523 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: It did it referenced highly restricted projects and tracking systems 524 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,839 that were not meant for general intelligence acknowledgment. But crucially, 525 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,759 it contained repeated references to recoveries and specialized access programs. 526 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: And as an analyst, when you see a word like 527 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,279 recoveries in a defense document, what does that mean? 528 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:46,599 Speaker 2: You immediately understand you've crossed the line into deeply compartmentalized, 529 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,839 highly restricted intelligence operations. That terminology is often associated with 530 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,759 retrieving non conventional materials or technology. 531 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,839 Speaker 1: What researchers often speculate are crash retrievals. 532 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: Crash retrievals were highly sensitive pro prietary technical data transfers. 533 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: Yes, so the clear implication was that Australia, a key 534 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:09,440 US ally, was actively involved in sensitive activities with the 535 00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,680 US that went far beyond simple observation or reporting. 536 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: It suggested a high level, decades long awareness of programs 537 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,880 that at the time the US was publicly denying even existed. 538 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: And the element of chance and how this came out 539 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,240 is just staggering. 540 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:27,319 Speaker 2: It is decades after its creation, the document was accidentally 541 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,319 included in a batch of routine declassified records and archived 542 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,799 publicly in the national records system. 543 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,799 Speaker 1: And once its true contents and particularly those key phrases 544 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:42,599 were discovered by independent researchers, Australian officials immediately tried to 545 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,440 reclassify it. 546 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:46,839 Speaker 2: They did, citing extreme national security concerns. 547 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: But the horse was already out of the barn. 548 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: The file was cataloged, copied, and preserved in public records, 549 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,519 and to this day, no official clarification, no correction, no 550 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,799 explanation has ever been issued regarding the meaning or scope 551 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,519 of those specific references to recoveries and specialized access programs. 552 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: So the subsequent silence and that desperate attempt to reclassify it, 553 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,880 that just serves as institutional confirmation of its intense sensitivity. 554 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: Exactly whatever those joint programs entailed, whether it was non 555 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,160 conventional material analysis or shared classified technology, they remain too 556 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,680 sensitive for the public to know, even though the document 557 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,880 confirming their existence is now permanently in the public domain. 558 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,839 Speaker 1: It's a classic case of confirming a secret and confirming 559 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,400 that the secret matters without ever explaining the secret itself. 560 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: And that brings us to our final section, which takes 561 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:41,279 us to the absolute extreme of national security. 562 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,759 Speaker 1: Files dealing with nuclear weapons, global destruction, and the tracking 563 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:49,240 of materials designed for mutual annihilation. These documents reveal systems 564 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,039 engineered for the end of the world and some alarming 565 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,559 failures and accountability that persist to this day. 566 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: We have to begin with what is arguably the most 567 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:02,240 profoundly dangerous engineers hearing feet of the Cold War, the 568 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,720 ultimate automated response system developed by the Soviet. 569 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: Union, internally known as Perimeter and. 570 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,839 Speaker 2: Chillingly referred to in the West as the dead Hand system. 571 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: So this was the nuclear fail safe design for the 572 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:13,799 very end of days. 573 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,359 Speaker 2: Yes. The concept was if the centralized Soviet leadership, the 574 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,519 entire command structure was suddenly and completely wiped out in 575 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,119 a nuclear strike, rendering them unable to order a retaliation, 576 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:29,920 this system was designed to automatically trigger a full nuclear counterstrike. 577 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:31,319 Speaker 1: Ensuring mutual destruction no matter. 578 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,039 Speaker 2: What, regardless of human survival, and the mechanism relied on 579 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,200 a sophisticated interlocking network of sensors. 580 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,319 Speaker 1: What was it looking for. 581 00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: It was designed to detect a set of highly specific 582 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,359 conditions that would confirm the decapitation of the command structure. 583 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,039 Things like sudden, widespread synchronized radiation spikes across Soviet territory, 584 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,880 massive seismic activity from multiple large scale impacts, widespread simultaneous 585 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,880 communication blackouts across command and control nodes, and large scale 586 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,359 atmospheric pressure changes consistent with nuclear detonations. 587 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:09,759 Speaker 1: And here is the terrifying unique characteristic that sets Perimeter 588 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:12,519 apart from standard nuclear deterrent systems. 589 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: If those specific conditions were met and the network confirmed 590 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,119 the destruction of command, the system required no human approval, 591 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,039 not at all. It was designed to automatically authorize and 592 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:25,480 launch the entire Soviet nuclear arsenal, based solely on pre 593 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,880 programmed logic. It was entirely autonomous from the human chain 594 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,359 of command. 595 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: This takes the concept of mutually sured destruction and just 596 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,160 places it into the hands of a machine algorithm. 597 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,519 Speaker 2: It guaranteed destruction even if every single human controller was vaporized. Furthermore, 598 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:43,880 officials who later discussed the system admitted that once though 599 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,359 stringent activation conditions were met, the process was extremely difficult, 600 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,559 perhaps even impossible, to abort or shut down, and. 601 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: We learned about this after the collapse of the Soviet Union. 602 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: Yes, details were declassified piece mail, with Russian officials confirming 603 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,319 the system had been operational for years, but the unexplained 604 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,039 danger remains. The public has never been given the logs 605 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,839 detailing how often and how close the world came to 606 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,599 disaster because of false sensor readings or technical malfunctions. 607 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: The sheer complexity of those triggers meant there were countless 608 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,880 opportunities for failure. 609 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,079 Speaker 2: We know from other documented Cold War incidents, like the 610 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:25,000 famous nineteen eighty three incident with the Soviet officer Stanislav Petrov, 611 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:29,079 that ambiguous radar readings or minor seismic events often led 612 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,279 to minutes of excruciating global tension. 613 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: But we don't have the perimeter logs. 614 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,279 Speaker 2: We don't and the implication is that for years, global 615 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:41,839 annihilation was potentially one massive geomagnetic storm, one major earthquake, 616 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,640 or one misinterpreted sensor reading away from being initiated. By 617 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880 a robotic failsafe. 618 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,119 Speaker 1: A computer algorithm designed to end the human era based 619 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,319 on a digital checklist. 620 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,319 Speaker 2: It really underscores the profound existential risk inherent in autonomous, 621 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,200 high stakes military systems. Straits a state's commitment to guarantee 622 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,000 the end of the world based on pure logic without 623 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,079 a human safety net. 624 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: And if perimeter speaks to a failure of design and control, 625 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,279 our final collection of files speaks to a failure of 626 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,119 accountability in tracking the enduring problem of missing nuclear material. 627 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,839 Speaker 2: Right throughout the Cold War, governments like the US and 628 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,839 the Soviet Union tracked every gram of highly enriched uranium, 629 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,200 plutonium and weapons components with almost obsessive precision. 630 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: Yet despite that rigor, numerous classified reports were filed about 631 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:33,160 missing or unaccounted for material that just vanished from inventory. 632 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: Now, some of these incidents were certainly tragic, but you know, explicable. 633 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:42,720 They involved transportation accidents, lost shipments, or known military aircraft 634 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,440 crashes where warheads or sensitive components were jettisoned into remote 635 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200 areas or lost at sea, like. 636 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: The famous B fifty two crashes over Palomari's Spain or 637 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,039 Thull the Greenland in the sixties. 638 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: Exactly, but others were far more difficult to explain. They 639 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,640 represented inventory discrepancies, security breaches, or outright thefts that remained 640 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,799 unresolved for decades, and. 641 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: When portions of these highly sensitive reports were finally declassified, 642 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,519 they revealed some alarming gaps that were never officially closed. 643 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,519 Speaker 2: Specifically, in several documented cases confirmed by the US General 644 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:18,880 Accounting Office and internal military reports, accountable quantities of weapons 645 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,159 grade nuclear material plutonium or highly enriched uranium were officially 646 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,480 listed as missing with no confirmed subsequent recovery. And we 647 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,159 are not talking about paperwork errors here, No, we are 648 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,760 talking about material capable of being used to construct a 649 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,519 sophisticated radiological dispersal device, a dirty bomb, or potentially even 650 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:37,760 a crude nuclear weapon. 651 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 1: And there were other reports too, right, documenting unexplained radiation. 652 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,679 Speaker 2: Spikes, yes, localized radiation spikes detected in locations where no 653 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,559 known weapons were deployed, tested, or stored. These were events 654 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:56,280 that strongly suggested illicit activity, accidental dispersion, or unauthorized secret storage, and. 655 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,599 Speaker 1: The government's use of strategic silence is again the defining 656 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:00,599 character risicure. 657 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:05,039 Speaker 2: The declassified files often ended abruptly or they were concluded 658 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:10,400 with vague, noncommittal language stating that investigations were inconclusive or ongoing. 659 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440 In numerous other instances, the files just stopped with no 660 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:14,880 stated conclusion at. 661 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,639 Speaker 1: All, leaving the question just hanging permanently in the public record. 662 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 2: And when pressed by journalists and oversight bodies, the governments 663 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,559 involved have systematically declined to comment on these specific gaps, 664 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,320 citing the highest levels of national security. 665 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: So the threat remains profoundly unanswered to this day. 666 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 2: There is no complete, publicly validated accounting of every reported 667 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,039 loss or unexplained radiation event involving sensitive nuclear material from 668 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:39,800 the Cold War era. 669 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:44,119 Speaker 1: So what we're left with are documented, verified government files 670 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,639 confirming that dangerous nuclear material went missing, material that could 671 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,920 potentially still be unsecured today, and we have no official 672 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,440 explanation of where it went or if the threat was 673 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,679 ever permanently mitigated. 674 00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 2: It is an open ended existential threat, confirmed by the 675 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,400 very government sworn to protect us. 676 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: So this journey through these declassified archives, from the psychological 677 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,320 frontiers of Stargate to the deadly capabilities of the heart 678 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,760 attack gun and the impossible physics of the UAPs, it 679 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,519 all leads us to one critical synthesis I think so. 680 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: The common thread in all ten of these files is 681 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,679 not necessarily a single, unifying global conspiracy. It's more about 682 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,039 the jarring institutional reality that official history, even after the 683 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:33,000 required declassification period, remains just riddled with contradictions, unexplained physical impossibilities, 684 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,079 and systemic gaps and accountability. 685 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:38,559 Speaker 1: These are official documents confirming the authentication of impossible events, 686 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,519 terrifying plans, and profound organizational risk. 687 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 2: And for you, the well informed learner, this means that 688 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,519 gaining true insight requires you to engage with the things 689 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,920 we don't know. These documents are definitive proof that the 690 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,239 most fascinating and vital secrets aren't about what is hidden 691 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:55,679 from us. 692 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,199 Speaker 1: It's about what the authorities confirm is real, and then, 693 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,039 for resasons that are either strategic or simply incomprehensible, refuse 694 00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,800 to explain or integrate into the public narrative. 695 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,159 Speaker 2: It's a huge point if the state confirms the authenticity 696 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,480 of documents detailing untraceable assassination weapons or plans for war 697 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,920 based on deadly lies or physical objects that defy ore 698 00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:21,719 understanding of energy and propulsion, but then provides no crucial 699 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,039 why or what happened next. 700 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: How can the public accurately assess global threats or trust 701 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,199 any official narrative regarding technology or military readiness. 702 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 2: You can't, and the very nature of official secrecy means 703 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,559 that the fragment of information we do receive the details 704 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,519 of the Halt Memo, the Northwood's proposal. The confirmed performance 705 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,039 metrics of the UAPs is often the most revealing, precisely 706 00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,000 because it was never intended for our eyes. 707 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,599 Speaker 1: It forces us to question the stability of the entire 708 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,360 historical and scientific. 709 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: Record, which leads us to one final provocative thought, based 710 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,599 on all the highly detailed material we have synthesized for 711 00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,840 you today, if you look at these ten confirmed realities, 712 00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,719 you have to ask. 713 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:05,079 Speaker 1: Yourself which of these documented mysteries, the psychic session targeting 714 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,840 ancient Mars, the confirmed existence and potential use of the 715 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,800 untraceable heart attack gun, or the herd sensored data detailing 716 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,599 the impossible physics of the hypersonic navy UAPs do you 717 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:20,599 think pos is the most uncomfortable, most fundamental question about 718 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,880 the true technological capabilities and hidden history of our world. 719 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 2: We really want to know what you think. Please share 720 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,000 your thoughts below and let's continue this deep discussion. 721 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,079 Speaker 1: We will catch you in the next thrilling threads