WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.519 And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:06.799 of there. 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.160 I was done. 4 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:09.359 I wasn't deal with them. 5 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.240 The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things 6 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:17.920 that turned me away the quickest. 7 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.839 When I turned my head lights on, it turned and 8 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:24.600 looked at us. 9 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.559 And one of the things I remember the most where 10 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:28.760 the eyes were going red. 11 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:35.280 I see an orb of light. It is just circling 12 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:37.960 these steps like it is waiting for me. 13 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.159 And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. 14 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.359 They're basically like, what are you talking about. 15 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.920 That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, 16 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:56.159 and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, 17 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:58.000 nose and the eyes. 18 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.520 As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, 19 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.439 I don't like death. 20 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:08.920 Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I'm your host, Braindon Wright. 21 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.719 Tonight we're gonna be joined by my guest Ari. Ari 22 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.920 is fascinated with Project paper Clip. If she had done 23 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.959 some research into that topic, along with what happened with 24 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.359 the Nazis after World War Two and how they are 25 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.480 brought over into the US government. There's a lot of 26 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.040 weird stuff that went on during that time, and we're 27 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.120 going to dive into some of that here tonight, but 28 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:30.920 before we bring her on. You've ever had an experience 29 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:32.239 or you'd like to be on an episode of ten 30 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.159 foil Tells, make sure to send an email to Tenfoiltales 31 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:38.519 podcast at gmail dot com or go to tenfoiltl dot 32 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.599 com and go to the contact section. Whichever way works 33 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:43.000 for you will work for me. Just make sure to 34 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:44.719 get a message to me. 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For more information about that, you 46 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.759 can check out the show notes. Make sure to follow 47 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.280 men all the social medias. You can also find out 48 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:19.560 more information about the merch store and the show notes too. 49 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:21.960 We're gonna go ahead now and dive on into the 50 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:24.520 topic with Ari. I've had this schedule for a while, 51 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:26.599 so I'm definitely look forward to getting into it. Hope 52 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.120 you guys enjoy our conversation. To sit back, relax and 53 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:33.159 enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time to 54 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.360 welcome my guests tonight. Ari, thanks for coming on here 55 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:35.919 and talking to me. 56 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.159 Thank you for having me Brandon, would. 57 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.280 You like to let the audience know a little bit 58 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:40.879 about yourself. 59 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:45.599 My name is Ari. I have had a lifelong first 60 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:53.680 for knowledge, especially into paranormal phenomena specifically related to UFOs 61 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:58.879 or uap as the calleme nowadays. Since I was about seven, 62 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:03.479 I've been really interested in UFOs, so that has led 63 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.479 me down many different roads and I've learned a lot 64 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:11.759 of things based on that. There's my knowledge. So I 65 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:15.360 have a lot of information rattling around in my brain 66 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:18.080 all the time that I need to get out. So 67 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.319 I'm happy to be here to be able to let 68 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:20.800 some of that out. 69 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:25.520 Not too derail right off the bat, but you mentioned 70 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:30.000 seven years old, and I don't like to use the 71 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:35.680 word synchronicities because's way overused in this genre of topics. 72 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.759 But yeah, Carl Jung would be rolling in his grave 73 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:39.520 for sure. 74 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:45.840 That age seven and eight tends to be the time 75 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.560 that people have been looking into study and that is 76 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.120 the typical age when a lot of people start becoming 77 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.639 very fascinated with UFOs and aliens or. 78 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.080 Didn't know that. I actually honestly didn't know that that 79 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:58.560 was a common game. 80 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:01.319 I literally just learn that today. 81 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:02.719 Wow. 82 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:04.599 That's why I said it's odd, Tim, and you mentioned 83 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:07.560 that I was listening to something else this morning, and 84 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:13.039 it was discussed through a survey. People were talking about 85 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.319 how they come about stuff. Usually like second and third 86 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:20.399 grade is when people were starting to like really get 87 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.079 turned onto the UFO phenomena. 88 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.000 Yeah, and you know, I think I'm gonna say, you're 89 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.759 around my age. It sounds like, I feel like for 90 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.560 our generation a little bit later on, we had like 91 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.279 the X Files, But for the most part, there was 92 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.360 not much in pop culture at the time in the 93 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.720 late eighties early nineties regarding the subject unless you really 94 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:50.160 really dug for it, which kind of for me. If 95 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.199 there's anyone who says that they're an experiencer that they've 96 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.439 been fascinating with the subject since that age, it lends 97 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:01.120 more credence, like credibility than maybe there's actually something going on, 98 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.920 because there wasn't that exposure at a young age today. 99 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.560 So now it's everywhere, you know, it's on the newest 100 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.079 at this point. So yeah, I just think that's kind 101 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.920 of wild. Sorry getting off topic, but. 102 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.319 Oh that's fine. The X Files of My Bread and 103 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:19.120 Butter as a kid, that was even I couldn't There 104 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.839 was a movie that came out that was the Travis 105 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:26.439 Walton story. Obviously it was kind of fabricated for the movie. 106 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:29.600 But the Sky, Yeah, yep, that came out I think 107 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:33.680 in ninety one, nine ninety three, somewhere back in there, 108 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:38.199 and I watched it. My aunt and uncle had it 109 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:40.600 on video right after it came out. I watched it. 110 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.759 I would almost say it was traumatizing that it was 111 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.959 one of those movies that got me like kind of 112 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:49.680 afraid of aliens because of the whole abduction stuff. And 113 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:51.639 then The X Files was out around that time. I 114 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.240 was a big fan of The X Files. I want 115 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.519 to grow up and be Fox Molder because I thought 116 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:56.120 he was awesome. 117 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:59.439 Who doesn't though, I mean I had that's that's what 118 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.639 I wanted to do too. Ye, Yeah, absolutely. 119 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:09.600 No later, being a fox molder in my basement, just 120 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.399 like he was in the FBI headquarters. 121 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:15.720 It's all about talking to people, right, That's what he 122 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:16.399 did a lot of. 123 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:23.120 So, yeah, back on topic, I guess, so you started 124 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:27.399 to look into a lot of this stuff with what 125 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.399 the Germans were doing after World War Two, that's kind 126 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:31.879 of what we got how we got in touch with 127 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:37.720 each other. But what drew you to be fascinated by that? 128 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.120 If you want to talk about that for a second before. 129 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:46.480 We get into Yeah, absolutely, Interestingly enough, I think the 130 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:48.879 UFO connection is kind of what got me here. And 131 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:54.120 then I learned about Operation paper Clip, which in my opinion, 132 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.360 was one of the single most devastating things to happen 133 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:01.920 to the United States, and I became fascinated because of that. 134 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:04.240 A lot of people, when I talk about it, I 135 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:08.480 take it the wrong way. They think I'm obsessed with Nazis. 136 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.279 That's not the case. It's quite the opposite. I'm obsessed 137 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:18.079 with it because I feel like it was this huge 138 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:24.199 blanket of an event that was made. The secrecy around 139 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:30.480 it was so well maintained, so well organized, and it 140 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:34.160 was like the most perfect infiltration really, and it just 141 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.800 kind of dug into me, and I had to figure 142 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.519 out what they were doing and why they didn't and 143 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.959 how they got away with something like this, as far 144 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.079 as as far as Nazis coming to America, and as 145 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.800 far as all the research they were doing continuing and 146 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.199 how they were getting funding even after the war to 147 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:55.000 keep going. It just really interested me. After that. 148 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:58.680 I know there was a lot of backlash for when 149 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:02.360 that happened and how he brought over a lot of 150 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.759 the scientists and stuff, but it was a different time. 151 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:11.079 And then I know, before we get into like von 152 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:16.279 Braun and NASA and all that badass. Yeah, there's so 153 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.519 much stuff that goes on with NASA that I am 154 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:23.720 For anyone that's listened to the podcast, I think everyone 155 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.079 knows where I stand when NASA when it comes to their. 156 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:27.720 Front. 157 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.759 I don't believe a lot of the stuff that they say. 158 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:34.000 But so since we're on the topic of NASA, if 159 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.360 you don't mind, I wanted to share this anecdote for 160 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:40.879 my life. Whenever I meet someone who is willing to 161 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:46.320 humor me, and I explained that NASA was started by 162 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:51.159 a Nazi war criminal. They don't believe me. No one 163 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:56.559 believes me. It's interesting how you said there was such 164 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.559 a backlash amongst the American public olympaper going on. I'm 165 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:06.159 believe forties and early fifties, but now people have forgotten 166 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.399 that it actually happened, and they just straight up don't 167 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.200 believe it. They don't believe that that's a thing. It's 168 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:14.759 really insane to me. 169 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:17.960 There's a lot of things that people don't believe in 170 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:24.919 that happened. That is. I feel like, without completely going 171 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.600 off topic, I feel like society is being dumbed down 172 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.320 and a lot of people today don't know anything about 173 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:34.240 our past, and I think a lot of our past 174 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.120 is actually not true in the first place either. I 175 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:39.159 think a lot of history has been covered up. Oh yeah, 176 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.679 this old saying goes histories written by the people that 177 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:46.759 win the wars or something to that nature. Basically, whoever 178 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.200 writes history is the ones that end up winning the battles. 179 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.480 And topically speaking, apparently the Nazis are really won World 180 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:59.960 War Two. So here you are. Nobody believes in Nazi 181 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:00.799 started NASA. 182 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:06.279 No, there's been too many people that have talked about it. Again, 183 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:08.480 I wasn't there to say who the guy was. I 184 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.799 don't even believe in NASA ninety percent of the time. 185 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:14.320 But I do believe that it was fun to start 186 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.279 it by a Nazi project, which was pay per clip, 187 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.960 and that is what we're going to dive into here tonight. 188 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:25.440 So well, from nineteen forty three to nineteen forty seven, 189 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.480 a movement was started. It was shifting and like changing 190 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.279 the tides of the war before any sort of close 191 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:39.039 came to World War Two. Some of the more we'll 192 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.840 say intelligent or on the level Nazis kind of saw 193 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.440 the writing on the wall. They saw the way the 194 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:50.360 wind was blowing prior to any indication or any defeats 195 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:53.080 happening that would show them that they were going to 196 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:58.559 lose the war. And they were like rats jumping off 197 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.759 of a sinking ship a cent and they were taking 198 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.039 deals from US, the United States, and some of them 199 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:14.759 were taking deals from the US side Soviet Russia. So essentially, 200 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:18.799 from nineteen forty three to nineteen fifty three brought over 201 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:23.000 not a couple thousand, but tens of thousands of Nazis 202 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:28.039 to the United States. Not all of them were scientists, 203 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:32.440 like the books and the propaganda that they came up with, 204 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.440 what have you believe, majority of them were actually high 205 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:42.879 ranking military officials, diplomats, people who were wealthier. A lot 206 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.159 of them were scientists. That's kind of how it started. 207 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.279 The Army thought, hey, why should we waste all of 208 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:52.919 these projects in this intelligence when we could use it. 209 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:57.679 And at the same time, during the end of World 210 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.360 War Two there were the rumbling of the Cold War 211 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.919 were with Russia starting, so we wanted to make sure 212 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.039 that we had the best assets, which personally, as an aside, 213 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.320 I think a large part of the Cold War with 214 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:16.000 Russia was because we got some of the quote unquote 215 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.799 better Nazis. We were fighting over that a little bit, 216 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:23.519 but again that's my opinion based on what I read. So, yeah, 217 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.559 we brought them over here. Some of the I guess 218 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:32.960 you could say less important or less beneficial war criminals 219 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:38.000 were put to trial the Nuremberg Trials, and it was 220 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.039 a whole dog and pony show where we had the 221 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:46.320 more valuable ones testify against them. So it looked like 222 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:51.320 the United States was doing something that we were kind 223 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:56.759 of like pooning to have these men or wore criminals 224 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:02.120 held accountable, and that kind of kicked off a propaganda 225 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:07.440 campaign to bring up over the quote unquote good Matthews, 226 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.279 who are going to help us advance and help us 227 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.759 get to space. So this was again on the precipice 228 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.759 of the space race and getting to Loan and a 229 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:22.279 lot of other things that we had in store as 230 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.519 a nation that we wanted to either use against the 231 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:32.039 USSR or prove our superiority as far as technologically our 232 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:33.559 technological capabilities go. 233 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.879 I was gonna ask a questions like, when it comes 234 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:42.639 to you said good Nazis or whatever, you weren't referring 235 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:44.879 to them as being like the better ones. You were 236 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:49.000 just being like more scientific good, like more rest market. 237 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.360 Sorry, I should clarify what the United States military industrial 238 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.080 complex at the time thought was more beneficial or could 239 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:02.240 benefit the United States, and what our military or technological 240 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.320 goals were. That's what I mean when I say quote 241 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:11.399 unquote good Nazis something not even a person essentially, but 242 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.440 something that could help us have one over on the 243 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:19.039 world or another nation, or take us to that next 244 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:22.879 step of what our goals were in superiority on the 245 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:24.320 globe on a global scipe. 246 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:26.879 I knew what you meant. I just wanted to clarify 247 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.399 for anyone out there that would be listening to thought 248 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:31.519 we were making trying to make not to sound like 249 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:32.080 they were good. 250 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.039 So no, none of them were, absolutely not. 251 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.600 Now that is that is the one thing that I 252 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.320 don't need is people thinking that we're in support of 253 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.840 any kind of Nazism here, because that's completely not what 254 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:44.320 I'm about. 255 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:48.279 Yeah, and so that's I don't know if this was recorded, 256 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.360 but earlier we were talking about how I have the 257 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.279 issue when I kind of go into this and explain 258 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:57.919 this to people, they somehow miss construe what I'm saying 259 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.360 and get out of the conversation that I'm sympathetic to 260 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:08.600 these people. No, my fascination comes from disgusted, I suppose 261 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.960 you could say, so, I'm utterly disgusted that our nation 262 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:18.639 did this. I'm utterly distraught that I feel like this 263 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:22.919 single operation has led to the situation we're in as 264 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.120 a nation now. And like you said, I don't know 265 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.159 if this was recorded either, but you feel like the 266 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:32.759 nation's being dumbed down and we're controlled. I'm implying that 267 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.240 last part, but I feel like all of that is 268 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.440 a direct result of the research that was started by 269 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.799 the SS and then allowed to continue via Operation pay 270 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.360 per Clip. And now here we are and that's why 271 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:47.159 I talk about it. 272 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.120 Not that they're good, not that I agree with anything 273 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.000 that they've done, but yeah, I like knowing how we 274 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:57.320 got from there to here, and I think this is. 275 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.039 A big part of it. After it was one specific 276 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:06.279 army unit that found a scientist that they wanted to 277 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.679 bring here, and after that, it was kind of a 278 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:16.320 Floodgates situation. And actually the Joint Intelligence Committee of the 279 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:24.679 United States government so they started a specific subcommittee called JOYA, 280 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:29.279 or the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency, and it was deliberately 281 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.799 founded to be responsible for recruiting, hiring, and placing the 282 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:38.759 Nazi scientists and other Nazi war criminals that they brought 283 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:43.759 over here. That was their entire job. So Congress made 284 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:49.399 a whole committee for this, where they tasked people to 285 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:57.559 conduct this program, and they assigned these scientists to wherever 286 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.759 their expertise was, and they gave them funding, and they 287 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.440 gave them new names, and they gave them homes, and 288 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:09.160 they whitewashed all of their history. A lot of them 289 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:15.079 started right away on weapons projects, scientific intelligence programs, and 290 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.440 a number of other different programs within the US military. 291 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.599 And it was a okay, And I remember I don't 292 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.000 remember when it was, but I listened to an interview 293 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.559 of a man who he's just used long deceased now, 294 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:35.839 but he said he worked as a military installation and 295 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.640 he remembered the day a bunch of Germans just kind 296 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:42.559 of showed up and they were running things. And I 297 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.079 can get that information to you if I go through 298 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.319 my notes. But it just kind of is one of 299 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.000 those things where it's surreal when you think about it. 300 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.440 Think about going to work, maybe you're the boss there, 301 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:57.839 and all of a sudden in the United States government 302 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.200 brings all of these these Nazis, you know where they 303 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.200 came from, and now they're calling the shots. I mean, 304 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:08.759 that happened everywhere. That didn't just happen at military installations. 305 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:15.039 That happened at educational institutions, It happened at hospitals, It 306 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:20.839 happened anywhere, and it was just kind of one of 307 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:23.000 those things where you didn't question it. You just had 308 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.079 to accept the fact that this was how it was going. Now, 309 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:29.680 it's almost like doing a deal with the devil. 310 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:30.039 Really. 311 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:37.359 But in some cases, if some of these scientists were 312 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:42.279 really sought after by the United States and they were 313 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.480 too hot or they were way too close to Adolf 314 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.799 Hitler or Himmler or any of them. What would happen 315 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.200 is they would be reassigned at another military installation in 316 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.559 a different nation where they would be they would be 317 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.920 given a higher position. They would be given a man 318 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:04.799 a gerial position or coordinating position in order to call 319 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:08.599 the shots, so to speak. So a lot of them 320 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.400 ended up in US military installations in Germany, but many 321 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:18.240 of them ended up throughout the world. A lot of 322 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:26.000 the a lot of the blowback from Congress was that 323 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:30.680 the joy of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency, who was 324 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:38.400 responsible for the placement, was a subcommittee that served specifically 325 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.880 as intel providers for the Joint chiefs of Staff, who 326 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:46.319 report directly to the President. So the President was fully 327 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:54.079 aware of this, and it was Truman. He said something 328 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.920 along the lines of an im paraphrasing. Here, you brought 329 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:02.160 Nazi war criminals here to Alan Dulls and I'll get 330 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:05.799 into Allen Dallas in a minute. But Alan Dulles was 331 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.200 the proprietor of the CIA. He worked for the OSS. 332 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:14.960 I'll get into more detail. Truman told him, you can 333 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.200 bring scientists here, but make sure their hands are clean, 334 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.839 that they didn't commit mass atrocities against Jewish people, and 335 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.640 Della has said okay, sure, and then continued to bring 336 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.759 Nazi war criminals over to the United States and have 337 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:35.359 the Joya Committee assign them positions and new names and 338 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:39.319 give them money and give them homes and hook them. 339 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.720 Up with sweet jobs in education or in military installations. 340 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:48.960 It's just sickening. Essentially, they were scouting talent right before 341 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:53.319 the end of World War Two. They had specific people 342 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:57.079 that were tasked with going over to Germany in Austria 343 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:03.759 and looking for the diamonds in the rough, essentially what 344 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.319 they thought was going to be a beneficial candidate for 345 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:11.599 the program. And Truman was left in the dark, like 346 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.880 completely about it. And so not only was there a 347 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.079 propaganda machine working to make these Nazis seem like good 348 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.599 investments or good people that we were just removing from 349 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:27.400 this war foreign situation over in Europe Germany and England, 350 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:32.240 in France and Austria, but he was also being fed 351 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.720 the same lie. And he was the President of the 352 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:41.279 United States. So I should say something about the operation 353 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.359 When the president was kept in the dark that much, 354 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.039 I don't know. It just blows my mind when I 355 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:47.640 think about that. 356 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.160 How much do you think the presidents are still kept 357 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:50.920 in the doork today? 358 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.039 A lot, actually, because really, if you think about it, 359 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:59.880 the tourists. There's people who've been a joint Chief of 360 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:04.680 staff member or in congresss or wherever, in any position 361 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:09.279 within any branch of government for twenty or thirty years 362 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:12.200 their lifers. That the president only gets to stay there max. 363 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:16.960 For eighty years. I've heard them described as tourists or 364 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.319 vacation most like they don't know a lot. I feel 365 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:22.720 like maybe now they know a little bit more because 366 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.240 they have to getting off topic again because of the 367 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.799 Holy wait peace situation. I feel like I have an 368 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:34.000 opinion that that's going to be at a critical mass 369 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.599 and that's why they have to be kept in the loop. 370 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:39.839 But that's probably the only reason they're privy to the information. 371 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:43.839 I think they're just kind of a held up as 372 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.079 a face to the customer service rep of the United 373 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:49.440 States government, so to speak. 374 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.519 That's my opinion, though I always say the president is 375 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.759 a puppet. They're just there to be the voice that 376 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.519 everyone gets to see on stage. Everything else is behind 377 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.680 the scenes, find the curtain that you don't really know about. 378 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:05.240 Yeah, they're the person at Comcast, you yell at when 379 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:06.440 your internet isn't. 380 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.400 Working, we us think it pretty much. 381 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:13.680 But yeah, I agree with that definitely. Brandon. 382 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.440 Yeah, sorry to interrupt. That was just we need make no, 383 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.640 that's just kind of where I was thinking. I was like, 384 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.519 I think it was Eisenhower that made the comment when 385 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:31.079 he was leaving his presidency about the industrial military complex, 386 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:35.359 and I think how I hated it. I think that 387 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:39.880 plays into with paper clip and how things went from there. 388 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:41.680 I think it all has something to do with it. 389 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:46.319 I completely agree. I haven't my hands to get into that. Also, 390 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:48.880 I feel like a lot of that carried down to 391 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.359 JFK and I feel like that stressed him out a lot. 392 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:59.960 And yeah, I really do. I feel like that's upper 393 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.920 that's been shouldered by anyone who has entered the White 394 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.680 House as an honest person trying to do some good. 395 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.359 That is something that they've either pieced together or been 396 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:15.880 told and they just can't deal with it. And maybe 397 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.880 some of that does have to do with a little 398 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:24.799 bit more of them. But we'll get there in time, 399 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:30.839 I guess you and I will so. Alan Dulles was 400 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.200 one of the it was his operation Pip was his 401 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:41.079