Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 1: I wasn't deal with them.
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 3: that turned me away the quickest.
Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 1: looked at us.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I remember the most where
Speaker 2: the eyes were going red.
Speaker 1: I see an orb of light. It is just circling
Speaker 1: these steps like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 4: And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.
Speaker 3: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 1: and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,
Speaker 1: nose and the eyes.
Speaker 2: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,
Speaker 2: I don't like death.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I'm your host, Braindon Wright.
Speaker 1: Tonight we're gonna be joined by my guest Ari. Ari
Speaker 1: is fascinated with Project paper Clip. If she had done
Speaker 1: some research into that topic, along with what happened with
Speaker 1: the Nazis after World War Two and how they are
Speaker 1: brought over into the US government. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: weird stuff that went on during that time, and we're
Speaker 1: going to dive into some of that here tonight, but
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Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead now and dive on into the
Speaker 1: topic with Ari. I've had this schedule for a while,
Speaker 1: so I'm definitely look forward to getting into it. Hope
Speaker 1: you guys enjoy our conversation. To sit back, relax and
Speaker 1: enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time to
Speaker 1: welcome my guests tonight. Ari, thanks for coming on here
Speaker 1: and talking to me.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me Brandon, would.
Speaker 1: You like to let the audience know a little bit
Speaker 1: about yourself.
Speaker 3: My name is Ari. I have had a lifelong first
Speaker 3: for knowledge, especially into paranormal phenomena specifically related to UFOs
Speaker 3: or uap as the calleme nowadays. Since I was about seven,
Speaker 3: I've been really interested in UFOs, so that has led
Speaker 3: me down many different roads and I've learned a lot
Speaker 3: of things based on that. There's my knowledge. So I
Speaker 3: have a lot of information rattling around in my brain
Speaker 3: all the time that I need to get out. So
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here to be able to let
Speaker 3: some of that out.
Speaker 1: Not too derail right off the bat, but you mentioned
Speaker 1: seven years old, and I don't like to use the
Speaker 1: word synchronicities because's way overused in this genre of topics.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Carl Jung would be rolling in his grave
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: That age seven and eight tends to be the time
Speaker 1: that people have been looking into study and that is
Speaker 1: the typical age when a lot of people start becoming
Speaker 1: very fascinated with UFOs and aliens or.
Speaker 3: Didn't know that. I actually honestly didn't know that that
Speaker 3: was a common game.
Speaker 1: I literally just learn that today.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: That's why I said it's odd, Tim, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: that I was listening to something else this morning, and
Speaker 1: it was discussed through a survey. People were talking about
Speaker 1: how they come about stuff. Usually like second and third
Speaker 1: grade is when people were starting to like really get
Speaker 1: turned onto the UFO phenomena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I think I'm gonna say, you're
Speaker 3: around my age. It sounds like, I feel like for
Speaker 3: our generation a little bit later on, we had like
Speaker 3: the X Files, But for the most part, there was
Speaker 3: not much in pop culture at the time in the
Speaker 3: late eighties early nineties regarding the subject unless you really
Speaker 3: really dug for it, which kind of for me. If
Speaker 3: there's anyone who says that they're an experiencer that they've
Speaker 3: been fascinating with the subject since that age, it lends
Speaker 3: more credence, like credibility than maybe there's actually something going on,
Speaker 3: because there wasn't that exposure at a young age today.
Speaker 3: So now it's everywhere, you know, it's on the newest
Speaker 3: at this point. So yeah, I just think that's kind
Speaker 3: of wild. Sorry getting off topic, but.
Speaker 1: Oh that's fine. The X Files of My Bread and
Speaker 1: Butter as a kid, that was even I couldn't There
Speaker 1: was a movie that came out that was the Travis
Speaker 1: Walton story. Obviously it was kind of fabricated for the movie.
Speaker 1: But the Sky, Yeah, yep, that came out I think
Speaker 1: in ninety one, nine ninety three, somewhere back in there,
Speaker 1: and I watched it. My aunt and uncle had it
Speaker 1: on video right after it came out. I watched it.
Speaker 1: I would almost say it was traumatizing that it was
Speaker 1: one of those movies that got me like kind of
Speaker 1: afraid of aliens because of the whole abduction stuff. And
Speaker 1: then The X Files was out around that time. I
Speaker 1: was a big fan of The X Files. I want
Speaker 1: to grow up and be Fox Molder because I thought
Speaker 1: he was awesome.
Speaker 3: Who doesn't though, I mean I had that's that's what
Speaker 3: I wanted to do too. Ye, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: No later, being a fox molder in my basement, just
Speaker 1: like he was in the FBI headquarters.
Speaker 3: It's all about talking to people, right, That's what he
Speaker 3: did a lot of.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, back on topic, I guess, so you started
Speaker 1: to look into a lot of this stuff with what
Speaker 1: the Germans were doing after World War Two, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what we got how we got in touch with
Speaker 1: each other. But what drew you to be fascinated by that?
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about that for a second before.
Speaker 3: We get into Yeah, absolutely, Interestingly enough, I think the
Speaker 3: UFO connection is kind of what got me here. And
Speaker 3: then I learned about Operation paper Clip, which in my opinion,
Speaker 3: was one of the single most devastating things to happen
Speaker 3: to the United States, and I became fascinated because of that.
Speaker 3: A lot of people, when I talk about it, I
Speaker 3: take it the wrong way. They think I'm obsessed with Nazis.
Speaker 3: That's not the case. It's quite the opposite. I'm obsessed
Speaker 3: with it because I feel like it was this huge
Speaker 3: blanket of an event that was made. The secrecy around
Speaker 3: it was so well maintained, so well organized, and it
Speaker 3: was like the most perfect infiltration really, and it just
Speaker 3: kind of dug into me, and I had to figure
Speaker 3: out what they were doing and why they didn't and
Speaker 3: how they got away with something like this, as far
Speaker 3: as as far as Nazis coming to America, and as
Speaker 3: far as all the research they were doing continuing and
Speaker 3: how they were getting funding even after the war to
Speaker 3: keep going. It just really interested me. After that.
Speaker 1: I know there was a lot of backlash for when
Speaker 1: that happened and how he brought over a lot of
Speaker 1: the scientists and stuff, but it was a different time.
Speaker 1: And then I know, before we get into like von
Speaker 1: Braun and NASA and all that badass. Yeah, there's so
Speaker 1: much stuff that goes on with NASA that I am
Speaker 1: For anyone that's listened to the podcast, I think everyone
Speaker 1: knows where I stand when NASA when it comes to their.
Speaker 3: Front.
Speaker 1: I don't believe a lot of the stuff that they say.
Speaker 3: But so since we're on the topic of NASA, if
Speaker 3: you don't mind, I wanted to share this anecdote for
Speaker 3: my life. Whenever I meet someone who is willing to
Speaker 3: humor me, and I explained that NASA was started by
Speaker 3: a Nazi war criminal. They don't believe me. No one
Speaker 3: believes me. It's interesting how you said there was such
Speaker 3: a backlash amongst the American public olympaper going on. I'm
Speaker 3: believe forties and early fifties, but now people have forgotten
Speaker 3: that it actually happened, and they just straight up don't
Speaker 3: believe it. They don't believe that that's a thing. It's
Speaker 3: really insane to me.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that people don't believe in
Speaker 1: that happened. That is. I feel like, without completely going
Speaker 1: off topic, I feel like society is being dumbed down
Speaker 1: and a lot of people today don't know anything about
Speaker 1: our past, and I think a lot of our past
Speaker 1: is actually not true in the first place either. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of history has been covered up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this old saying goes histories written by the people that
Speaker 1: win the wars or something to that nature. Basically, whoever
Speaker 1: writes history is the ones that end up winning the battles.
Speaker 3: And topically speaking, apparently the Nazis are really won World
Speaker 3: War Two. So here you are. Nobody believes in Nazi
Speaker 3: started NASA.
Speaker 1: No, there's been too many people that have talked about it. Again,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there to say who the guy was. I
Speaker 1: don't even believe in NASA ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 1: But I do believe that it was fun to start
Speaker 1: it by a Nazi project, which was pay per clip,
Speaker 1: and that is what we're going to dive into here tonight.
Speaker 3: So well, from nineteen forty three to nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 3: a movement was started. It was shifting and like changing
Speaker 3: the tides of the war before any sort of close
Speaker 3: came to World War Two. Some of the more we'll
Speaker 3: say intelligent or on the level Nazis kind of saw
Speaker 3: the writing on the wall. They saw the way the
Speaker 3: wind was blowing prior to any indication or any defeats
Speaker 3: happening that would show them that they were going to
Speaker 3: lose the war. And they were like rats jumping off
Speaker 3: of a sinking ship a cent and they were taking
Speaker 3: deals from US, the United States, and some of them
Speaker 3: were taking deals from the US side Soviet Russia. So essentially,
Speaker 3: from nineteen forty three to nineteen fifty three brought over
Speaker 3: not a couple thousand, but tens of thousands of Nazis
Speaker 3: to the United States. Not all of them were scientists,
Speaker 3: like the books and the propaganda that they came up with,
Speaker 3: what have you believe, majority of them were actually high
Speaker 3: ranking military officials, diplomats, people who were wealthier. A lot
Speaker 3: of them were scientists. That's kind of how it started.
Speaker 3: The Army thought, hey, why should we waste all of
Speaker 3: these projects in this intelligence when we could use it.
Speaker 3: And at the same time, during the end of World
Speaker 3: War Two there were the rumbling of the Cold War
Speaker 3: were with Russia starting, so we wanted to make sure
Speaker 3: that we had the best assets, which personally, as an aside,
Speaker 3: I think a large part of the Cold War with
Speaker 3: Russia was because we got some of the quote unquote
Speaker 3: better Nazis. We were fighting over that a little bit,
Speaker 3: but again that's my opinion based on what I read. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: we brought them over here. Some of the I guess
Speaker 3: you could say less important or less beneficial war criminals
Speaker 3: were put to trial the Nuremberg Trials, and it was
Speaker 3: a whole dog and pony show where we had the
Speaker 3: more valuable ones testify against them. So it looked like
Speaker 3: the United States was doing something that we were kind
Speaker 3: of like pooning to have these men or wore criminals
Speaker 3: held accountable, and that kind of kicked off a propaganda
Speaker 3: campaign to bring up over the quote unquote good Matthews,
Speaker 3: who are going to help us advance and help us
Speaker 3: get to space. So this was again on the precipice
Speaker 3: of the space race and getting to Loan and a
Speaker 3: lot of other things that we had in store as
Speaker 3: a nation that we wanted to either use against the
Speaker 3: USSR or prove our superiority as far as technologically our
Speaker 3: technological capabilities go.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask a questions like, when it comes
Speaker 1: to you said good Nazis or whatever, you weren't referring
Speaker 1: to them as being like the better ones. You were
Speaker 1: just being like more scientific good, like more rest market.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I should clarify what the United States military industrial
Speaker 3: complex at the time thought was more beneficial or could
Speaker 3: benefit the United States, and what our military or technological
Speaker 3: goals were. That's what I mean when I say quote
Speaker 3: unquote good Nazis something not even a person essentially, but
Speaker 3: something that could help us have one over on the
Speaker 3: world or another nation, or take us to that next
Speaker 3: step of what our goals were in superiority on the
Speaker 3: globe on a global scipe.
Speaker 1: I knew what you meant. I just wanted to clarify
Speaker 1: for anyone out there that would be listening to thought
Speaker 1: we were making trying to make not to sound like
Speaker 1: they were good.
Speaker 3: So no, none of them were, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Now that is that is the one thing that I
Speaker 1: don't need is people thinking that we're in support of
Speaker 1: any kind of Nazism here, because that's completely not what
Speaker 1: I'm about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that's I don't know if this was recorded,
Speaker 3: but earlier we were talking about how I have the
Speaker 3: issue when I kind of go into this and explain
Speaker 3: this to people, they somehow miss construe what I'm saying
Speaker 3: and get out of the conversation that I'm sympathetic to
Speaker 3: these people. No, my fascination comes from disgusted, I suppose
Speaker 3: you could say, so, I'm utterly disgusted that our nation
Speaker 3: did this. I'm utterly distraught that I feel like this
Speaker 3: single operation has led to the situation we're in as
Speaker 3: a nation now. And like you said, I don't know
Speaker 3: if this was recorded either, but you feel like the
Speaker 3: nation's being dumbed down and we're controlled. I'm implying that
Speaker 3: last part, but I feel like all of that is
Speaker 3: a direct result of the research that was started by
Speaker 3: the SS and then allowed to continue via Operation pay
Speaker 3: per Clip. And now here we are and that's why
Speaker 3: I talk about it.
Speaker 5: Not that they're good, not that I agree with anything
Speaker 5: that they've done, but yeah, I like knowing how we
Speaker 5: got from there to here, and I think this is.
Speaker 3: A big part of it. After it was one specific
Speaker 3: army unit that found a scientist that they wanted to
Speaker 3: bring here, and after that, it was kind of a
Speaker 3: Floodgates situation. And actually the Joint Intelligence Committee of the
Speaker 3: United States government so they started a specific subcommittee called JOYA,
Speaker 3: or the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency, and it was deliberately
Speaker 3: founded to be responsible for recruiting, hiring, and placing the
Speaker 3: Nazi scientists and other Nazi war criminals that they brought
Speaker 3: over here. That was their entire job. So Congress made
Speaker 3: a whole committee for this, where they tasked people to
Speaker 3: conduct this program, and they assigned these scientists to wherever
Speaker 3: their expertise was, and they gave them funding, and they
Speaker 3: gave them new names, and they gave them homes, and
Speaker 3: they whitewashed all of their history. A lot of them
Speaker 3: started right away on weapons projects, scientific intelligence programs, and
Speaker 3: a number of other different programs within the US military.
Speaker 3: And it was a okay, And I remember I don't
Speaker 3: remember when it was, but I listened to an interview
Speaker 3: of a man who he's just used long deceased now,
Speaker 3: but he said he worked as a military installation and
Speaker 3: he remembered the day a bunch of Germans just kind
Speaker 3: of showed up and they were running things. And I
Speaker 3: can get that information to you if I go through
Speaker 3: my notes. But it just kind of is one of
Speaker 3: those things where it's surreal when you think about it.
Speaker 3: Think about going to work, maybe you're the boss there,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden in the United States government
Speaker 3: brings all of these these Nazis, you know where they
Speaker 3: came from, and now they're calling the shots. I mean,
Speaker 3: that happened everywhere. That didn't just happen at military installations.
Speaker 3: That happened at educational institutions, It happened at hospitals, It
Speaker 3: happened anywhere, and it was just kind of one of
Speaker 3: those things where you didn't question it. You just had
Speaker 3: to accept the fact that this was how it was going. Now,
Speaker 3: it's almost like doing a deal with the devil.
Speaker 6: Really.
Speaker 3: But in some cases, if some of these scientists were
Speaker 3: really sought after by the United States and they were
Speaker 3: too hot or they were way too close to Adolf
Speaker 3: Hitler or Himmler or any of them. What would happen
Speaker 3: is they would be reassigned at another military installation in
Speaker 3: a different nation where they would be they would be
Speaker 3: given a higher position. They would be given a man
Speaker 3: a gerial position or coordinating position in order to call
Speaker 3: the shots, so to speak. So a lot of them
Speaker 3: ended up in US military installations in Germany, but many
Speaker 3: of them ended up throughout the world. A lot of
Speaker 3: the a lot of the blowback from Congress was that
Speaker 3: the joy of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency, who was
Speaker 3: responsible for the placement, was a subcommittee that served specifically
Speaker 3: as intel providers for the Joint chiefs of Staff, who
Speaker 3: report directly to the President. So the President was fully
Speaker 3: aware of this, and it was Truman. He said something
Speaker 3: along the lines of an im paraphrasing. Here, you brought
Speaker 3: Nazi war criminals here to Alan Dulls and I'll get
Speaker 3: into Allen Dallas in a minute. But Alan Dulles was
Speaker 3: the proprietor of the CIA. He worked for the OSS.
Speaker 3: I'll get into more detail. Truman told him, you can
Speaker 3: bring scientists here, but make sure their hands are clean,
Speaker 3: that they didn't commit mass atrocities against Jewish people, and
Speaker 3: Della has said okay, sure, and then continued to bring
Speaker 3: Nazi war criminals over to the United States and have
Speaker 3: the Joya Committee assign them positions and new names and
Speaker 3: give them money and give them homes and hook them.
Speaker 7: Up with sweet jobs in education or in military installations.
Speaker 3: It's just sickening. Essentially, they were scouting talent right before
Speaker 3: the end of World War Two. They had specific people
Speaker 3: that were tasked with going over to Germany in Austria
Speaker 3: and looking for the diamonds in the rough, essentially what
Speaker 3: they thought was going to be a beneficial candidate for
Speaker 3: the program. And Truman was left in the dark, like
Speaker 3: completely about it. And so not only was there a
Speaker 3: propaganda machine working to make these Nazis seem like good
Speaker 3: investments or good people that we were just removing from
Speaker 3: this war foreign situation over in Europe Germany and England,
Speaker 3: in France and Austria, but he was also being fed
Speaker 3: the same lie. And he was the President of the
Speaker 3: United States. So I should say something about the operation
Speaker 3: When the president was kept in the dark that much,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It just blows my mind when I
Speaker 3: think about that.
Speaker 1: How much do you think the presidents are still kept
Speaker 1: in the doork today?
Speaker 3: A lot, actually, because really, if you think about it,
Speaker 3: the tourists. There's people who've been a joint Chief of
Speaker 3: staff member or in congresss or wherever, in any position
Speaker 3: within any branch of government for twenty or thirty years
Speaker 3: their lifers. That the president only gets to stay there max.
Speaker 3: For eighty years. I've heard them described as tourists or
Speaker 3: vacation most like they don't know a lot. I feel
Speaker 3: like maybe now they know a little bit more because
Speaker 3: they have to getting off topic again because of the
Speaker 3: Holy wait peace situation. I feel like I have an
Speaker 3: opinion that that's going to be at a critical mass
Speaker 3: and that's why they have to be kept in the loop.
Speaker 3: But that's probably the only reason they're privy to the information.
Speaker 3: I think they're just kind of a held up as
Speaker 3: a face to the customer service rep of the United
Speaker 3: States government, so to speak.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion, though I always say the president is
Speaker 1: a puppet. They're just there to be the voice that
Speaker 1: everyone gets to see on stage. Everything else is behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, find the curtain that you don't really know about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the person at Comcast, you yell at when
Speaker 3: your internet isn't.
Speaker 1: Working, we us think it pretty much.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree with that definitely. Brandon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry to interrupt. That was just we need make no,
Speaker 1: that's just kind of where I was thinking. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think it was Eisenhower that made the comment when
Speaker 1: he was leaving his presidency about the industrial military complex,
Speaker 1: and I think how I hated it. I think that
Speaker 1: plays into with paper clip and how things went from there.
Speaker 1: I think it all has something to do with it.
Speaker 3: I completely agree. I haven't my hands to get into that. Also,
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of that carried down to
Speaker 3: JFK and I feel like that stressed him out a lot.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I really do. I feel like that's upper
Speaker 3: that's been shouldered by anyone who has entered the White
Speaker 3: House as an honest person trying to do some good.
Speaker 3: That is something that they've either pieced together or been
Speaker 3: told and they just can't deal with it. And maybe
Speaker 3: some of that does have to do with a little
Speaker 3: bit more of them. But we'll get there in time,
Speaker 3: I guess you and I will so. Alan Dulles was
Speaker 3: one of the it was his operation Pip was his
Speaker 3: up as the leader of the OSS. Really, I'm never
Speaker 3: bad in jam and it's not in a good way.
Speaker 3: Him and his brother almost thing ble handedly started with
Speaker 3: what war. According to some he was a CIA director
Speaker 3: from nineteen fifty three to nineteen sixty one, but before
Speaker 3: he was the deputy director for the CIA of Operations
Speaker 3: and he was the OSS deputy directors. He definitely played
Speaker 3: a central role. He was involved in the negotiations that
Speaker 3: led to the surrender of German troops. But also at
Speaker 3: the same time he was sort of the royal of
Speaker 3: these scientists and diplomats into a basket to bring them
Speaker 3: over here. So while he was doing one thing in
Speaker 3: the light, he was doing one thing in the dark.
Speaker 3: So watch the left hand, so you don't know what
Speaker 3: the right he was doing. That was Alidolas, that was
Speaker 3: his brother. He sort of set the world stage for
Speaker 3: future manipulation as far as this goes with paper clip.
Speaker 3: With regards to paper clip, and he joked to the
Speaker 3: fires I guess you could say of the Cold War,
Speaker 3: which I don't know if it was in his head
Speaker 3: or he thought the American public would be more persuaded,
Speaker 3: but he stoked the fires of the Cold War saying
Speaker 3: that you know, we needed these people here, We needed
Speaker 3: to have this edge over our new enemy, our new threat,
Speaker 3: our new war. So he really kind of flung some
Speaker 3: shit around, so to speak. Yeah, he in tandem with
Speaker 3: a lot of Nazis, actually created the CIA, which again
Speaker 3: it's one thing another another thing that a lot of
Speaker 3: people have a problem with me saying, or have a
Speaker 3: problem believing, because that Nazi has helped form the CIA
Speaker 3: from the OSS. So the OSS was the precursor to
Speaker 3: the CIA, but he don't want to believe it, which
Speaker 3: is unfortunate.
Speaker 1: I think with the CIA and everything that went on
Speaker 1: with that, what still goes on with that, there was
Speaker 1: a lot more to it than just the cover story.
Speaker 1: And I believe three agent or three letter alphabet agencies
Speaker 1: were involved, but that's.
Speaker 3: Just me, I think for and you know, the CIA
Speaker 3: is specific directive that they were getting upon their inception
Speaker 3: was not to operate on a United States soil. Yet
Speaker 3: it seems like time after time that is all they do.
Speaker 3: So unfortunately, that is the world we live in now.
Speaker 1: There's something that happened about twenty three years ago too,
Speaker 1: that gave them the right to do whatever they wanted
Speaker 1: to do with the whole Patriot Act. But again that's
Speaker 1: another Yeah, dear, anytime I talk about tenfoil Hattie, I
Speaker 1: guess that's all. It's literally all tied together. It all
Speaker 1: branches together.
Speaker 3: Now, like I said earlier, you don't want to sound stereotypical,
Speaker 3: but really everything happens and it's all tangential, it's all connected.
Speaker 1: I say the same thing when it comes to stuff
Speaker 1: with UFOs and aliens, en cryptids and spirits and demons
Speaker 1: and other reality. Somehow I think it's all connected one
Speaker 1: way or the other.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm sorry to get you f track, but I'm
Speaker 3: really exciting right now. This is not related. So you're
Speaker 3: more of a Valet Keel kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Then, I believe that everything happens how it's supposed to happen,
Speaker 1: at least for us, and I don't know how to
Speaker 1: explain it that makes any sense. But I think somehow
Speaker 1: everything is all interconnected one way or the other. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're here in a big simulation and
Speaker 1: we're all just in PC characters. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 3: It's a window area thing like Keel, where it's interdimensional
Speaker 3: and one thing affects the other and it like tears
Speaker 3: a hole in space time fabric.
Speaker 1: Yes, basically one way or the other. I think things
Speaker 1: are connected. I think people see cryptids. I think maybe
Speaker 1: they're from a different plane of existence. I think people
Speaker 1: see aliens. Maybe they're not from space, maybe they're from
Speaker 1: another existence. People see shadow people, they see ghosts. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're just another reality bleeding into ours. Maybe the universes
Speaker 1: with you. Maybe the universe is true where there's multi
Speaker 1: layers to where every decision you make there's another decision
Speaker 1: somewhere else. So it splits off string theory or whatever
Speaker 1: they call it. Like, I don't know. I'm just a
Speaker 1: guy with a microphone. But that's just kind of how
Speaker 1: my mind wanders.
Speaker 3: I am inclined to agree with you guy with the microphone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's where my brain goes. That's why I
Speaker 1: do what I do because for some reason, I've just
Speaker 1: always thought that a lot of the weird stuff I
Speaker 1: was always skeptical about, I don't believe in a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff. I don't necessarily believe that things are
Speaker 1: the way they people think they are. But I'm not
Speaker 1: saying what people are seeing is wrong or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But I think there's more to it than just what
Speaker 1: we believe it is.
Speaker 3: I agree with that. I think it's a lot bigger
Speaker 3: and more vast than we can even comprehend.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say the Matrix was a reality show,
Speaker 1: but sometimes I feel like maybe it was in a
Speaker 1: sense that.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we're put here and the machines
Speaker 1: are controlling us and we're plugged in head and stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that aspect to it, but I feel
Speaker 1: like we are all just here in this plane of existence.
Speaker 1: Until people say we have a consciousness, soul, whatever, I
Speaker 1: think we ascend to a different existence, a different plane.
Speaker 1: If we're on level three, I think we go to
Speaker 1: like level four after that.
Speaker 3: Well, looking at the Great Pikes, actually at you know
Speaker 3: where they talk about simulation theory about the others panel,
Speaker 3: I believe it was a a half or two hours,
Speaker 3: and they essentially described what you just described. That they
Speaker 3: explain why as physicists they have come to these conclusions,
Speaker 3: and they provide their scientific research and as supporting evidence
Speaker 3: to what you just said. It's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I think I had a previous guest that mentioned something
Speaker 1: about it. I've never looked into it. I don't do
Speaker 1: a whole lot of research into simulation theory or anything
Speaker 1: like that. I only honestly heard about it maybe last
Speaker 1: year or two years ago, and that was because I
Speaker 1: guess mentioned abow.
Speaker 3: That it is quite surprising.
Speaker 1: It is weird, Like I knew obviously with the matrix
Speaker 1: and everything else like that, and I always said, we're
Speaker 1: probably living in a machine, and the sad reality is
Speaker 1: just NPC characters non playable, so let we just go
Speaker 1: out and live our lives like the Sims and don't
Speaker 1: know anything about it. I made those jokes for years,
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize that there was actually people out
Speaker 1: there that believed what I was saying. Not that I
Speaker 1: was the one started it, but like people, I was
Speaker 1: making jokes thinking that we live in a video game,
Speaker 1: and apparently my jokes were years later coming true that
Speaker 1: you know, I probably actually are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you are way ahead of your time with that.
Speaker 3: You were independently coming to that conclusional scientists where actually
Speaker 3: finding evidence to prove that is more than likely the case.
Speaker 3: That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always been a weirdo.
Speaker 3: I can relate. I can relate to that. I was
Speaker 3: just talking about the Isaac Asimov panel with Neil de
Speaker 3: Grassheissen and other physicists.
Speaker 1: I don't like that guy. He'll never come on my
Speaker 1: show because I said that, but I wasn't ever going
Speaker 1: to ask seemed to come on my show anyways.
Speaker 3: He might because he's one of those people who has
Speaker 3: to prove everybody around for some reason, even though he
Speaker 3: acts like he has nothing to prove. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's I hate to use this word,
Speaker 3: I can't thick of any other appropriate word, a shill
Speaker 3: and and I'm sorry to hijack what you were saying,
Speaker 3: but he reminds me of what happened to Carl Sage.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Without going too far into it, I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: he was a plant eventually, like he maybe started off
Speaker 1: decent and then things got a little too much for him,
Speaker 1: and he got warned that he had to go a
Speaker 1: certain direction. And that's how I just started being the
Speaker 1: the uppet for the science communities.
Speaker 3: It's exactly what happened to Carl Singen. Yes, Karl Singing.
Speaker 1: Same way with old Bill Nye's science going.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, that's quite a debacle.
Speaker 1: Yes, I find it. Oh, I find it funny that
Speaker 1: all these TV show people that we've watched as children
Speaker 1: and were now involved in politics and political aspects. And
Speaker 1: I was like, was that just them making it for
Speaker 1: the younger versions of us to accept what these people say.
Speaker 1: We watched them as we were so much younger son other,
Speaker 1: but they're more influential as we get older because they're
Speaker 1: the ones behind the curtains now coming out saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you got to do what they tell us to do
Speaker 1: because the science is telling us to do. And we
Speaker 1: remember that guy he was on TV.
Speaker 3: Like it was planned this whole time, or pretty much
Speaker 3: like they're using him because he is someone that we
Speaker 3: have trust in as adults because we listen to him.
Speaker 1: As child or both, probably a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of things has been
Speaker 1: orchestrated and planned for a very long time, and we're
Speaker 1: just living in the motions of how it goes.
Speaker 3: Through back quarter. That's all I get to say.
Speaker 1: But yeah, to get back with the paper clip thing.
Speaker 1: The original reason I wanted to do this episode was because,
Speaker 1: and I know you said, you know a little bit
Speaker 1: about the Nazis were obsessed with finding a cult relics
Speaker 1: and from what I've gathered, I don't remember the exact year,
Speaker 1: but sometime before I think World War two, they were
Speaker 1: supposedly in communications with a different race of beans. And
Speaker 1: this is where I put on the tenfoil hat. We
Speaker 1: go down the wu Wu side. But I've always heard
Speaker 1: on this aspect to it that Hitler became obsessed with
Speaker 1: what these things were talking about. And these beans were
Speaker 1: supposedly the Pleadians, and they were a quote unquote master
Speaker 1: race because they were yes, blonde haired, blue eyes, and they.
Speaker 3: Have beautiful, gorgeous people, just breathtaking gorgeous.
Speaker 1: This is where the third Reich thing came from. And
Speaker 1: they were what he strived to be because they were
Speaker 1: in communications with these all powerful beings, and that's why
Speaker 1: he sought out to find all the ancient relics like
Speaker 1: the Arc of the Covenant and then whatever else out
Speaker 1: there that he was after. And they were doing all
Speaker 1: these weird technologies, and they claim a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff for paper clip. These scientists were actually influenced from
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that was given to them
Speaker 1: by these other races, from technology which this lady was
Speaker 1: communicating with using some sort of telepathic abilities. A lot
Speaker 1: of people say that's all bullshit because that's just eighty
Speaker 1: something almost ninety years ago at this point. So they
Speaker 1: don't believe in it because it's not in the quote
Speaker 1: unquote books that you go to school and get these days.
Speaker 1: But I say, if there's smoke, there's fire. Literally, a
Speaker 1: lot of the weird stuff has been proven. There was
Speaker 1: documents about it at some point, like the Nazi bell
Speaker 1: was something they created. They had little discs that they
Speaker 1: flew around on that never really supposedly went anywhere. The
Speaker 1: Nazis were very more advanced than a lot of other
Speaker 1: countries at that point. So where did they get the technology,
Speaker 1: Where did they get the ideas from? How did they
Speaker 1: learn and to do the things that they were doing
Speaker 1: with the rockets and everything else. So I see the
Speaker 1: plausibility of what maybe they were being influenced by something someone,
Speaker 1: something else. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, there's actually photographs that
Speaker 3: the Russians have access and there are some defectors, and
Speaker 3: there are some people that have done interviews and seventies
Speaker 3: and eighties that have provided these photographs of some of
Speaker 3: the craft that the Nazis were actually working on that
Speaker 3: they took photos of because of course they would take them.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they They were super proud of themselves. So yeah,
Speaker 3: there is proof of that.
Speaker 1: I know. The whole flying saucer term was basically orchestrated
Speaker 1: and put out in the public by the government to
Speaker 1: basically cover up the fact of what was really going on.
Speaker 1: Like the guy that originally seen those flying things in
Speaker 1: the sky before, Yeah, Kenneth Arnald, he never he said
Speaker 1: that looked like a saucer skipping or whatever. But he
Speaker 1: never said a flying saucer. He never said there were circular.
Speaker 1: His actual drawings were basically in the shape of what
Speaker 1: I've always said, like look like the batman's battering, like
Speaker 1: like a crescent moon, and that is how he described them.
Speaker 1: But for some reason they took flying saucers and ran
Speaker 1: with it, and then you had Roswell that happened basically
Speaker 1: a month later after the whole UFO craze got started.
Speaker 1: And yes, the whole flying saucer thing happened so completely
Speaker 1: derailing the conversation here. Do you think Roswell was actually
Speaker 1: really a UFO or do you think they implemented the
Speaker 1: whole UFO story to get people off the case about
Speaker 1: what was going on with paper Clip.
Speaker 3: I really don't, and I've read so many books on
Speaker 3: russ Will I feel like there's something to it. And
Speaker 3: the only reason I'm saying this is because there were
Speaker 3: so many witnesses that described the biological entities that were found.
Speaker 3: There was a nurse, there was just some regular private
Speaker 3: There were multiple people that were involved that saw entities
Speaker 3: of some sort. Now Here is where I diverged. Were
Speaker 3: those entities? Please don't hate me for this. Some sort
Speaker 3: of biological android? We don't know, but a lot of
Speaker 3: people say that the grees are that. Essentially, Now, if
Speaker 3: the Nazis were that advanced, they could have conceivably created
Speaker 3: a biologically android to operate these vessels, because drontos weren't
Speaker 3: a thing at that point, so they would have to
Speaker 3: have something to do it. That's getting real tintfoil hetty,
Speaker 3: But I mean the fence about Roswell. As far as
Speaker 3: that's concerned. Do I believe it was some sort of
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial race that had come here from outer space to
Speaker 3: her planet and got shut down by the United States
Speaker 3: or crashed in a thunderstorm. No, No, I don't think
Speaker 3: that's what it was at all, but I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was Nazis. I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: Saya to get us off the case of paper clip,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I just really don't know.
Speaker 1: The whole topic was what got me fascinated. Whether you
Speaker 1: mentioned paper clip of how they brought over the Nazis
Speaker 1: over here, this paper clip and the reason they're working
Speaker 1: with those Nazis, it was because of the actual thing
Speaker 1: with people say that what the secret space program is
Speaker 1: real to the Nazis are working with the Pleadians, and
Speaker 1: well and behold, this is what really goes on behind
Speaker 1: closed doors. Anything above majestic is higher classification because majestic
Speaker 1: is like the highest classification they have, or top secret.
Speaker 1: It's above the president.
Speaker 3: And there's twelve of them, right, yea, the twelve at
Speaker 3: any given time.
Speaker 1: Yep. Is there anything else that you have wrote down
Speaker 1: that you would like to discuss before we keep kind
Speaker 1: of going off topics. I didn't know there's anything that
Speaker 1: you had wrote down that we'd like to dive into
Speaker 1: before we wrap this up tonight.
Speaker 3: I definitely do. There's so many components of this. Earlier,
Speaker 3: you were talking about a woman who used her mediumship
Speaker 3: or psychic abilities to contact a specific race. That woman
Speaker 3: was Maria Orsich, and she was part of the Verural Society,
Speaker 3: which was a group of women who never cut their
Speaker 3: hair because they said that it worked essentially as antenna
Speaker 3: to be able to communicate with these beings. So there
Speaker 3: is something to what you said about the Nazis believing
Speaker 3: they were gaining some sort of information, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people contend that she retrieved technological information in order
Speaker 3: for them to build these devices or UFOs be provided
Speaker 3: to them, and that that's what kind of helped them
Speaker 3: win the war. Essentially, I feel like they did win
Speaker 3: the war. It was just quietly and we again made
Speaker 3: a dog and pony show them losing. There are so
Speaker 3: many different things that we could talk about. The fact
Speaker 3: that they believed they were direct descendants of the Nordics
Speaker 3: or the what did you call you call them, the Ladians, Palladians,
Speaker 3: Cleadian race. They thought that they were a direct results
Speaker 3: of the Pleaadians of the Nordics meeting with eartht people
Speaker 3: and because of that, somehow they were the rightful heirs
Speaker 3: to Atlantean technology. We haven't gotten into Antarctica at all,
Speaker 3: which is kind of nuts if you think about it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have an entire episode at some point
Speaker 1: dedicated just to Antarctica, because i always bring it up
Speaker 1: here and there, but I've never sat down and did
Speaker 1: like a deep dive with someone into Antarctica. It is
Speaker 1: the only place in this world that every country agreed
Speaker 1: on one thing, and that is no one can go there.
Speaker 1: We can't get we can't get along, and can't get
Speaker 1: agree on anything. But for some reason, they all signed
Speaker 1: some treaty saying that no one can go to Antarctica without.
Speaker 3: Permission unless you're on a scientific excursion. And unfortunately, if
Speaker 3: you want to go to Antarctica, you have to be
Speaker 3: a research person or a part of the NSA or
Speaker 3: some other American or other nation intelligence community in order
Speaker 3: to go there.
Speaker 1: What is so secret of about a bunch of ice.
Speaker 3: It did kind of time anomaly there, which is interesting
Speaker 3: because a lot of people surmised that again, Orsig found
Speaker 3: out some sort of way to draw and demonstrated diagrams
Speaker 3: to give to the SS in order to create time
Speaker 3: and travel. So that's kind of cool to think about.
Speaker 1: That is part of the whole the way they use
Speaker 1: the abductees for the Secret Space program. Andre's somehow there
Speaker 1: is a time controlled of it because people say they
Speaker 1: take their consciousness and put them into clones or alters
Speaker 1: as they refer to.
Speaker 3: So you're you're going through the whole like that, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: the containers containers.
Speaker 1: Basically they claim, Yeah, everyone is that thinks that they've
Speaker 1: been involved in these programs are somehow put through dage
Speaker 1: to come back. Like they claim that you can be
Speaker 1: in two different times at the same time, like being
Speaker 1: the same place in different places at the same time.
Speaker 1: None of it makes sense to be honest, And I've
Speaker 1: said this to the people I like, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to say I don't believe you guys, but I'm skeptical
Speaker 1: about it because scientifically it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's not real. I just don't understand
Speaker 1: how that's possible. I feel like, if you're able to
Speaker 1: control time, then why are you doing all these weird
Speaker 1: experiments and taking people and making clones of them and
Speaker 1: bringing them back or whatever, Like, why do you if
Speaker 1: you can make the clones that you can control time,
Speaker 1: what is the point of doing this all now? Because
Speaker 1: you can go to the future and get more technology
Speaker 1: and bring it back here, and there's got to be
Speaker 1: a paradox somewhere, like at some point when you alter thinks,
Speaker 1: something doesn't happen. So if the time is able to
Speaker 1: be controlled, it's really hard to fathom how we haven't
Speaker 1: fucked it up yet.
Speaker 3: But maybe we have. I mean, maybe we have, and
Speaker 3: that's why it keeps happening.
Speaker 1: I just feel like at this point, if someone was
Speaker 1: able to control time, I don't understand why they're still
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing now. Like if they're really taking
Speaker 1: these people at this point, like at some point you've
Speaker 1: advanced enough to control time, you could have an entire
Speaker 1: legion of people from different You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to me, none of it makes any sense. But again
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not real or possible or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying for me, it makes my brain hurt
Speaker 1: trying to understand it because it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't have all of the information to make
Speaker 3: it make sense. I think that's the problem.
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever will. There's also the other problem,
Speaker 1: and I've said that with people when it comes to
Speaker 1: other things, when you dive into different topics about just
Speaker 1: throughout Cryptis, for example, like when you see some strange things.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Bigfoot's real, but I know people
Speaker 1: are seeing something. I don't think everyone's just gone crazy
Speaker 1: and seeing something running across the road and mistaking a
Speaker 1: bear for whatever they claim it.
Speaker 3: Is, right, people crawlers or anything else. People see what
Speaker 3: you know, they get that teary eye, goosebump feeling, and
Speaker 3: you know they're not supposed to be seeing it.
Speaker 1: There's other things that we have capabilities of that we
Speaker 1: don't even understand yet ourselves when it comes to our
Speaker 1: own brain power, Like you know, when someone is looking
Speaker 1: at you. Have you ever looked across the room and
Speaker 1: you've seen someone's you make eye contact as they were
Speaker 1: looking at you because you felt like you're being looked at,
Speaker 1: and then they all this sudden turn away. Like how
Speaker 1: do we sense that someone's looking at us? Like we
Speaker 1: have more capabilities than our body and what we're programmed
Speaker 1: to understand. I think for a lot of us just
Speaker 1: kind of we're not in tune with it anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I getting off topic night that's by design.
Speaker 3: If we knew what we were capable of, half of
Speaker 3: the things that happened to us wouldn't be happening to us.
Speaker 1: That is, I don't know how to word it properly,
Speaker 1: but basically that is something that someone else had recently
Speaker 1: told me on an episode that came out that I
Speaker 1: forget the term that she said, but basically, we're not
Speaker 1: meant to know. We're being kept in the dark. That's
Speaker 1: why I said they're dumbing down society earlier, because I
Speaker 1: feel like they don't want us to ascend to whatever
Speaker 1: it is we're supposed to be able to achieve, Like
Speaker 1: they want us to stay in the states that we
Speaker 1: are for what purposes.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know who they are. Everyone's like, who
Speaker 1: are you talking about when you say they the infamous They? Well,
Speaker 1: if I knew, I would say it.
Speaker 3: Right, And then you're going to it's gnosticism or her
Speaker 3: medicism and the archons. It's a whole time. I mean
Speaker 3: that it's hard because at that point the road takes
Speaker 3: you to spirituality more metaphysics in some way, and everyone's
Speaker 3: got an opinion on that, so it's really difficult to
Speaker 3: pin that down.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Well, we can get back on topic. This
Speaker 1: is like I said, I don't ever have anything planned out.
Speaker 1: My shows just kind of go free flow on how
Speaker 1: they go. So sometimes they're on point, sometimes they go
Speaker 1: off the rail. But it makes it interesting.
Speaker 3: I dig it because a lot of it has to
Speaker 3: do with something else. Hmm.
Speaker 1: Do you think when it comes to Antarctica, what do
Speaker 1: you honestly think that the Nazi's found down there? I
Speaker 1: know you mentioned the time loop or whatever that way
Speaker 1: for time travel, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's six six minut it's into the future.
Speaker 3: Scientists have been able to clock literally like they can
Speaker 3: clock six minutes into the future, so it's like one
Speaker 3: little spot where they walk there and it's like six
Speaker 3: minutes into the future according to all of their devices
Speaker 3: and all of their metrics. But personally, I don't know
Speaker 3: what to think. I know that I've read about tunnels.
Speaker 3: I've read about under ice chambers that are capable of
Speaker 3: housing multiple submarines. I feel like, maybe, if we want
Speaker 3: to go crazy, that might be why a lot of
Speaker 3: the Nazis escaped to Argentina and then went to Antarctica
Speaker 3: where they could found quote unquote New Berlin, which is
Speaker 3: actually what a defector from the Soviet Union said they
Speaker 3: did they this person said that they had a new
Speaker 3: city sort of in between the ice of Antarctica and
Speaker 3: in the Earth, they called New Berlin, and then it
Speaker 3: goes back to Admiral Bird, of course, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've also listened to and read about people saying there
Speaker 3: are pyramids, multiple pyramids in Antarctica, that there are bases
Speaker 3: that you can go into that are actually physically a
Speaker 3: metal building that you can manage to open the doors
Speaker 3: up and explore, and it goes deep, deep underground. There's
Speaker 3: many different things. You just really don't know what's a
Speaker 3: sigh up, what's fed to us as bullshit, or what's
Speaker 3: actually true. But I do know that this is for
Speaker 3: a fact.
Speaker 6: Admiral Bird did go to Antarctica during Operation high Jump
Speaker 6: it was called, in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 3: He was financed by the United States Navy, which was
Speaker 3: interesting for him because his other expeditions were not financed
Speaker 3: by the Navy. He just kind of decided to do them.
Speaker 3: He had aircraft carriers, twelve service ships, submarines, airplanes like
Speaker 3: forty five hundred to five thousand personnel staffed, which really
Speaker 3: called it a scientific expedition, and that's kind of strange,
Speaker 3: because why would you need all that firepower for a
Speaker 3: scientific expedition. It was supposed to be for six months,
Speaker 3: but it ended after two and all of the personnel
Speaker 3: that were left fled at a great pay back in
Speaker 3: the United States. They lost several ships, like half a dozen,
Speaker 3: They lost carrier aircraft, they lost sailors, they lost officers,
Speaker 3: and after the whole scenario, Admiral Birds said, in the
Speaker 3: event of another war, America can be attacked by an
Speaker 3: enemy that has the ability to fly from poll to
Speaker 3: pull with incredible speed. So something is there, we just
Speaker 3: don't know what it is. Prior to the expedition, he
Speaker 3: went on, Admiral Bird said, my expedition is military in nature.
Speaker 3: But that's the only thing he said, like that's the
Speaker 3: only quote he gave before everything the news and everything
Speaker 3: in the newspapers said it was a scientific expedition to
Speaker 3: see what was going on in Antarctica, Like what's happened there?
Speaker 3: What kind of ice? You know? What does it look like? No,
Speaker 3: he said it was military and natural in nature. There
Speaker 3: was full scale reconn prior to him going there, a
Speaker 3: huge observation period. It was surveyed. They spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time flying over and looking at it before he
Speaker 3: even had anyone set foot an ant.
Speaker 7: Articut, which is really weird if you think about it,
Speaker 7: because why would they have to do recon on an
Speaker 7: area that's uninhabited by anyone.
Speaker 3: But two years before his expedition began, there were two
Speaker 3: German submarines that entered Mara del Plata, which is a
Speaker 3: port in Argentina, and the submarines ended up landing. They
Speaker 3: got off a land in the person surrendered to the
Speaker 3: authorities and they were actually some of the more high
Speaker 3: ranking military officials in the SS. They were directly reporting
Speaker 3: to the Fear and they were from his specific squadron,
Speaker 3: and they ended up making a deal to stay in Argentina. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they all they went there. They essentially surrendered to Argentina.
Speaker 3: They said they would exchange information in order to live
Speaker 3: there in amnesty. And then after that there were two
Speaker 3: sequential U boats from Germany with again high ranking military
Speaker 3: officials at personnel that directly reported to Adolf Hitler that
Speaker 3: showed up. They took the same exect route down the
Speaker 3: coast of South America to get there, and then a
Speaker 3: lot of them and eventually left to go to and
Speaker 3: so who knows. Really, it's kind of nuts up.
Speaker 1: A lot of people that believe in the whole flat
Speaker 1: earth theory thinks that the reason they don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to go to Antarctica is because that's where they run into.
Speaker 1: I kind of laugh at it. It's they think that
Speaker 1: you run into the firmament, the wall, the big the
Speaker 1: ice wall, the ice wall, the dome, the the snow globe.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's funny you call people globe tards,
Speaker 1: but yet you say we live in a dome that's
Speaker 1: still like half a globe. It's still circular. It's I
Speaker 1: don't understand that aspect to it. But I've literally had
Speaker 1: someone say something to me the other day that if
Speaker 1: I still believe in the heliocentric hypothesis and there's no
Speaker 1: hope for me, I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yes, there's no hope for.
Speaker 1: Me, then I don't know. When you go down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. There is a lot of questions because a
Speaker 1: lot of things that still don't add up a whole
Speaker 1: lot just because if you look into the math portions
Speaker 1: of it the way they do the math, then with
Speaker 1: the curvature and everything, it doesn't add up. The way
Speaker 1: they should, because they say, if you can see a
Speaker 1: ship go over the curve within three miles, yet you
Speaker 1: can still see it out there because I can be
Speaker 1: on one part of if I go up to Lake
Speaker 1: I can see Chicago from the dunes. I can look
Speaker 1: over there and you can see part of Chicago. If
Speaker 1: you do the math, you shouldn't be able to see
Speaker 1: most of Chicago just because of how far away it is.
Speaker 1: So the point that they try to make is that
Speaker 1: the maths don't math basically because of the curvature. I
Speaker 1: add someone on here a few times that have talked
Speaker 1: about flat Earth, and like they make good, valid points,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's like, I still don't
Speaker 1: believe that we live in a bio a snow globe,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Like I'm gonna say bioe.
Speaker 1: But if that is the case, then we really are
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 3: Simulation it is, except for I'm all into telescope in
Speaker 3: my life and I have seen plants spherically, so I'm
Speaker 3: not sure. I'm not saying they don't have a reason
Speaker 3: to disbelieve everything NASA says, because I absolutely question everything. Bye,
Speaker 3: I get a telescope, bro it is.
Speaker 1: Almost twelve thirty my time, and I have work in
Speaker 1: the morning, so I'm gonna have to wrap this one
Speaker 1: up because it got started a little bit later than
Speaker 1: I wanted to.
Speaker 3: Sorry about that, but of course makes sense. Thank you
Speaker 3: very much for letting me nerd out about this. I
Speaker 3: really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I know we didn't cover a whole lot of things
Speaker 1: that we wanted to talk about, but we can always
Speaker 1: try and schedule another one here sometime in the future.
Speaker 1: And not the greatest of the last two weeks for
Speaker 1: the podcast, but it is what it is. This is
Speaker 1: my last interview before I go on break for about
Speaker 1: a month, so I'm looking forward to a nice little
Speaker 1: vacation away from two years of constant podcast.
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy your break and you get some
Speaker 3: piece of quiet as a relaxation, and when you're back
Speaker 3: at it, just let me know and I would be
Speaker 3: more than happy to talk about this again.
Speaker 1: You'd mentioned prior. I don't know if you have anything
Speaker 1: planned yet or not, and if you don't, you don't
Speaker 1: have to mention it. But you said you're going to
Speaker 1: be doing your own podcast. Do you have a name
Speaker 1: or anything about it? So by the time as airs.
Speaker 1: If there's something out there, I can put it in
Speaker 1: the link in the show notes for anyone that would
Speaker 1: like to check it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my first episode will actually be about this
Speaker 3: subject and it will be the Our Anomaly podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it should be available anywhere you can get podcasts.
Speaker 3: And again, my first episode will be about Operation paper Clip.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Do you have any idea when it will be out?
Speaker 3: I I have talked to my sound engineer and see
Speaker 3: you want. I hope you done editing it for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, for anyone out there listening, if it's available
Speaker 1: by the time this episode air, I will make sure
Speaker 1: to include a link to it in the show notes
Speaker 1: for anyone that is interested. But I think we're going
Speaker 1: to wrap this one up, so I just want to
Speaker 1: say thank you for coming on here tonight and talking
Speaker 1: with me. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Likewise, thank you for having me no problem.
Speaker 1: But on that note, we're gonna head on out. So
Speaker 1: thanks for Ari for coming on here and talking and
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Good night, good night, and that's the
Speaker 1: show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations.
Speaker 1: If you would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels.
Speaker 1: Remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com or go to the contact section of
Speaker 1: tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll
Speaker 1: get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember
Speaker 1: the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections
Speaker 1: we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for
Speaker 1: joining us on this journey. And until next time, keep questioning,
Speaker 1: keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good night, everyone.
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Speaker 8: Sighting's got the whole world show conspiracies on phones like
Speaker 8: a story in the book.
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Speaker 8: Won't show.
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Speaker 8: Control trying to keep us fine.
Speaker 4: But I'm home before. We're gonna use my mind in history.
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