Speaker 1: Hi, this is Mark Johnson. I'm formerly the host of
Unknown Origins Radio, and I wanted to make a special
announcement regarding the episode you are about to hear. This
particular episode was recorded back on April third of two
thousand and eleven, and our guests were Mark and Debbie Constantino.
They were renowned EVP specialists and they had appeared on
numerous shows, especially numerous episodes of Ghost Adventures. I had
the pleasure of meeting them a few years ago during
one of the Phenomenology events in Gettysburg, and they were
very well respected in their normal community. Now, for those
of you who don't know, and I will say that
if this subject matter disturbs anybody, you can turn off
the episode right now. It's my intent is not to
upset anyone. It's to honor, especially Debbie Constantino. But on
September the twenty second of twenty fifteen, Debbie died at
the hands of her husband. It was a murder suicide.
We will never know what drove Mark to do what
he did. He killed another person in the process. Everybody
loved them. Nobody saw this coming. They knew they were
having some problems, but you know, This was a real,
real tragedy. I'm rebroadcasting this episode again to honor Debbie
and her work.
Speaker 2: It's not to glorify Mark or.
Speaker 1: Anything that he did. Again, I'm not going to judge
because I don't know all the details. But this was
a very special episode. We had a good time recording
it back in twenty eleven and I wanted to share
it with those of you who want to listen to
it again. I will warn you if this subject matter
disturbs you, please stop listening now. Anyway, thank you very
much for listening.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, and welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio.
I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and again once again tonight,
I'm joined by Lauren de Pinto. Hey, Lauren, Hi, Mark,
and Carrie and Versace.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 1: Mark, Now, you guys just came back from a wild
several days in Gettysburg for the phenomenology one oh three
of them.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah we did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Now I have to tell you I'm so insanely jealous
because I had to stay here and work my day
job and couldn't get away. But I mean, from what
I've saw on Facebook and your pictures and all the stories,
it sounds like you guys had a wild time.
Speaker 7: What happens if phenomenology shows up on Facebook?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure doesn't stay in phenomenology.
Speaker 5: I had no idea what to expect, you know, going
down to Phenomenology, but I have to say it exceeded
my expectations. I had such a good time. I mean,
the entire day was filled. There was a whole itinerary.
There were speakers we had. We had speakers like Travis Walton,
who was the abductee you know from the movie and
the Fire in the Sky that was portrayed about him.
We had you know, John Zaffis was there, Rosemary Ellen
Guiley who spoke about the gin it was. That was fascinating.
I really really enjoyed that and you know, other guests
we had, you know, Chris Fleming there, you know from
Dead Famous and Chip Coffee.
Speaker 2: All great people.
Speaker 1: I mean actually a couple of those people were trying
to get on the show for future shows. So keep
your fingers crossed now, you know. We also I also
heard that you know, the Kling Brothers were there from
the former Ghost Lab show and Dave Schrader from Darkness Radio.
Speaker 7: And Scared We were there Scared Guests.
Speaker 1: Carrie was there representing Scared with.
Speaker 7: The Whole and one of the other guests that was
there was Tony Pickman. He was there with his family.
And Tony Pickman is actually known for the Sally House.
He's the gentleman that was scratched by the spirits there
and that's been portrayed on many of the TV shows now.
Speaker 1: Just so for people who are not aware of this event,
this was the third annual event Phenomenology. They call it
Phenomenology one to three now. This event is thrown every
year in Gettysburg by Dana and Chris Wingert from NEPI,
which is a local paranormal.
Speaker 2: Investigation group just like ours.
Speaker 1: They were able to put this event together three years
ago and started inviting a lot of the different Paris celebrities,
and before they knew it, it snowballed into this wonderful
several day long conference where the public can come in
and meet with all the different celebrities and talk about
their experience and actually go on some real ghost hunts,
which I guess you guys had said your own little
experiences while you were there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Scared actually was posted at the Jenny Wade House and
we were with the Constantinos and I was fortunate enough
to be able to work with them, and we'll be
talking about some of the EVPs that we caught there.
Speaker 6: It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 7: Other places that they were able to investigate was the
General Lee, the Tilly House, and.
Speaker 6: The farmhouse and the farmhouse and the big hotel. Yeah,
at the Eisenhower.
Speaker 2: I love Gettysburg and it's such a historic town.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Actually I heard that the scariest event over the weekend
was Scary oakey ha.
Speaker 6: That was fantastic.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you that it was pretty amazing. The
Kling Brothers they can sing that, Johnny Cash like nobody's business.
Speaker 5: Were in Patrick Burns and Patrick Marley Gibson.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was great.
Speaker 1: They were our guests a few weeks ago, and you
guys finally got the chance.
Speaker 5: It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure to spend
time with them.
Speaker 6: There really was.
Speaker 5: There's so much fun, so personable, so approachable.
Speaker 6: It was great.
Speaker 2: Well that's great.
Speaker 1: Now we actually have some people who were at the
phenomenally phenomenal I can't even talk tonight homenology event here
with us tonight as our guests. That would be Mark
and Debbie Constantino. They are very famous EVP specialists EVP
standing for Electronic Voice phenomenon. That's where we in our field,
we use digital audio recorders and different types of recording
equipment and we capture disembodied voices and sounds that we
did not hear at the time, but wind up on
our recorders and appears to be some type of spirit communication. Well,
Mark and Debbie have specialized in that for years. They've
appeared on numerous television shows such as Ghost Adventures and
Dead Famous, and they're here with us tonight to talk
about their experiences in Gettysburg. So, Mark and Debbie, how
are you doing tonight?
Speaker 8: John Wall It was kind of a little hectic, mercurious
of retrograd tonight. But other than that, I'm doing pretty good. Now.
Speaker 1: You folks were just out in Gettysburg for Phenomenology one three,
and we were talking early about all the different guests
that were out there, and uh, it sounded like everybody
had a pretty wild time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It's it's always really cool out there.
It's an awesome town. And uh yeah, we got some
uh we got some good results with the investigations that
we did.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I mean it's amazing. Dana has so many
speakers out there, and we got to meet so many
people like Steve li the Chance, the Pickman's, Debora and
Tony Pickman people, you know, the Johnson's people you don't
get to really meet on the West Coast, and it
was really awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, you you did a few investigations while you were there.
Tell us what happened in the Farnsworth House.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, actually we did into the Farnsworth House
this round. We did it in Phenomenology one h two,
and actually we had stayed there, I believe after Phenomenology
one on one, and we stayed a few extra days.
But what can I say. You know, it's one of
the top three since you know, We've been doing this
since two thousand and five, been kind of traveling all
over the place. The Farnsworth and Gettysburg has to be
on my top three. We had rented it with another
two other people stayed in the Sarah Black room. No,
I'm sorry, Mark, Well, we rented this we Eat and
Sarah Black, so we had two rooms adjacent to one another.
We had the entire Farnsworth, which you have a key
to let yourself in, a key to let yourself out.
Nobody you know that's not staying in the hotel can
go in or out. So we knew we were alone.
We had well, I guess it started out. We would
hear what I considered to be residual only because there's
a Grandfather clock in there, and it would go off,
you know, on the hour, every hour, and it was
really loud and it was resonant. It through you, and
we would hear a heavy booted footsteps, I mean so heavy.
It was like a person, you know, psychically, I could
feel a lot I'm going to be shot, and the
person I was with, you know, she was also sensitive,
felt the same reaction. It was almost like you know
the movie Last House on the Left. It was almost
like hiding yourself in a room and knowing you're going
to be killed. That's that's what I saw. But you
would hear it and it would be like every hour.
And now we stayed in the front room. I believe
it to be the Asa Black Room, where there's a
window that overlooks the street. You know, the people in
the next room were actually filming. They caught what they
think is residual bullets. I'm laying in bed and I'm seen,
you know, like sprites, but they're shooting across the ceiling.
And I explained that to them, and then you know,
my friend Mike just like, well, hey, you know, we
got what we think is residual bullets. They're in the
next room, you know. And I don't get scared. You know,
there's three locations that I get scared at, and you know,
the Farnsworth is one. We hear this guy walking and
I guess if you're in the Sarah Black room. There's
the bathroom there, which was at one time a nursery
I believe, or what was it, Mark Children's hot Yeah,
I think it.
Speaker 4: Was like a nursery or something like that has to
do with children.
Speaker 7: Right where the little boy actually passed away. Debbie and
I stayed in that room, so I know what you're
talking about. That that the bathroom in that room. Yeah,
it was the boy's.
Speaker 8: Nursery, right but outside, you know, if the bathtub is there,
but there's a door right there at the foot of
the stairs, you could hear and I mean clearly, and
I'm not just saying I heard it. All four of
us heard it. Loud, heavy booted footsteps that it's almost
like a soldier, you know, like stopping at every door,
and you get the feeling they're opening the door, opening
fire and moving on. And it was so heavy, and
even Mark remarked, I think you were the first one
to hear it. You hear the metals as he walked,
whatever metals he had on chinging. What else did we get?
And this would happen like we would hear the grandpa
the clock, and we were trying to kind of time
it because you know, we wanted to videotape, but we
had the camera set up there and we're like, God,
this is happening like every so often, and you know,
we did catch some things on video, but you know,
video is another deal. It's we have over one hundred tapes.
Speaker 4: That we still you know, looked through.
Speaker 8: Yeah, go figure, But I mean it is just such
an awesome place. And then at one point we were
downstairs in front of the restaurant and the restaurant door
is locked. You can't get in there, but the front
door is there, so we do smoke, went out the
front door, and then we have the cellar door ajar,
because we had we were filming down there. There's a
bench or at least there used to be, you know,
to kind of wait for your name is Gouldford dinner whatever.
At the base of the stairs. We had totally lights out.
Speaker 4: I look up.
Speaker 8: I gasped. The girl I'm with gasps and I say,
what did you see? And she goes, I saw us,
and I'm like, I did too. The weird thing is
I didn't see a soldier. She saw a soldier at
the base of the stairs coming from the cellar. I
saw them one at the front door. And you know,
it was kind of like the only way I can
explain it if anybody sees it's kind of like it was.
It was kind of glimpsy to where I could see
the hat. It was kind of milky. I could see
the arm drawn. I could see it pointed toward me
as though they saw me. A lot of times you
see stuff and it's kind of like they go about
their business and they don't see you. We were close enough,
maybe six feet away. This person saw me and the
really weird thing. And I'm gonna, you know, go out
there and say this. The hat at war was not
a Confederate hat was in the Union hat. It was like,
you know, remember g I Joe when you're a little kid,
and it's got that kind of hat that's kind of
molded and pulled down over there. That is the kind
of hat it hat. So I don't know what that
means or whatever I can tell you is what how
was it clear? It was milky, But I know what
I saw. I could see the arm draw, and I
just saw see like what looked like a sniper kind
of a gun pointed right at me. Yeah, maybe a rifle.
I don't know about guns, but and so yeah, but
she gasped the same time I did, and I'm like,
did you see it? And she's like the soldier and said,
oh my god, you saw it too, And I'm like,
where did you see it? She's like at the base
of the cellar, and mine was not there. Mine was
right outside the front door, as though you'd be coming
in the front door going into the restaurant or wow,
I'm telling you. A gun drawn and whatever it was
it saw me.
Speaker 1: Did it react to you?
Speaker 2: Oh, pointed the gunn you don't take gud.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know it's you know, I'm not a soldier,
but it's the elbow was kind of drawn up and
the rifle was helid, and it looked to me like
it was pointing at me. And at that point I
had to leave, you know, I got to where I
couldn't breathe and I just left.
Speaker 1: You had outside, sure, yeah, I think I would have
hit the Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god.
Speaker 8: You know, but we didn't talk until like a half
hour later. I'm thinking she saw exactly what I saw
until like a half hour after we you know, calmed
down and everything, and she's like, no, no, no, I didn't
see that. I saw it over here. So and we
did hear noises coming up from the basement as well,
So you know, I don't know, but we, you know,
all four of us totally full bone through the footsteps
outside the side black room, outside the bathroom, and it
sat like it moved towards the swinging room and it
was almost like it stopped at the door to do
a door check or whatever, and it moved on. But
you know, I don't get afraid. I've been afraid there.
I've been afraid of the myrtles, and I've been afraid
of Wavefully and you know, other than that, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, this year in Phenomenology, you investigated the Jenny Waite House,
and I heard you had some interesting experiences there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did. We ended up on second floor and
we were there for the whole night and the groups
were revolving you know floors, and we got some really
cool stuff. We got. We got, uh, well, what kind
of might be a soldier? I don't know, I mean
say he was a soldier, But we got an e
VP that said I'm paralyzed, which kind of would maybe fit.
And then we got, uh, we got an e VP
that said I hate Debbie, which we get quite often.
Speaker 1: Well, we get out, Debbie, what are you doing to
these poor spirits?
Speaker 8: No, I don't I know, provoke that down to anything.
You know, you know, you know, I'm not like a
good ee tis shoes but it might be spirits that
know I'm trying to help other spirits that are kind
of who knows what they do on that side, you
know what I mean. So it could be spirits that
don't like me helping other spirits. I don't know.
Speaker 7: And when that actually, when that EVP was captured, I
sent DeBie a picture.
Speaker 6: I have a picture.
Speaker 7: Of her hands are actually have a white miss around them,
and the myst goes back and forth between her and
That EVP session that we did was pretty dark. We
were getting I hate Debbie, get out Debbie, and I
was really starting to feel for her. I was like,
are you okay? It was pretty dark.
Speaker 1: Well, just to also clarify for our listeners that Carrie,
you were with Mark and Debbie at the Jenny Waite
house while they were doing the investigation.
Speaker 7: Yes, actually it was two houses together. And what they
did is when they had to bring Jenny Wade down
into the basement, I believe they knocked that wall down
and Debbie sat on one side of that wall, which
is in one house. Mark said on the other, and
then I sat right across from Mark. We were asking
such questions like about the babies and some of the
EVPs we call were like, bring the baby over.
Speaker 8: Which would make total sense because supposedly don't quote me.
But they brought Jenny said body, her sister, the baby,
and two soldiers between the walls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they knocked out the brick. They knocked out a
hole in the brick separating the two houses. And I
think at that point Jenny was still alive. I think
she died in the basement.
Speaker 8: Well, the thing of it is, it's almost like a
sinking ship, about who are you going to let, you know,
survive first whomen and children. Supposedly you know, so to
say bring the baby over to me? What made perfect sense,
And just.
Speaker 1: So our listeners understand, for who don't people who don't
understand the history of the Jenny Wade house. Jenny Wade
was the only civilian in Gettysburg that was killed during
the battle. Her family was hiding in the basement and
she came up in the morning to try to make
some breakfast and a stray bullet from a sharpshooter that
they presumed to be from the Farnsworth house struck and
killed her. Actually it wounded her, and I think they
dragged her downstairs and she died but she's the only
civilian casualty in that.
Speaker 4: Battle, right right, Yeah, And they were saying that she
is only one of two females that have an American
flag flying over her grave twenty four hours a day,
and the other female is Betsy Ross in the whole country.
Speaker 8: Yeah wow.
Speaker 6: And you can still see the bullet hole through the door.
Speaker 5: It went right to the door and hit Jenny doors.
Speaker 8: And you know, I don't know Kerry if you're remember too,
but we also had what's you know, I wasn't in
that room. You and Mark were in that room, but
it kind of sound like a ball moved or a
lamp moved.
Speaker 6: It was the piece of pot yeah, under I heard.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well they said that was happening on the second floor,
but we were all sitting still and it coclanged and
it sounded just like a ball moving.
Speaker 4: It was the ball because I walked over at one point,
I walked over to check my camcorder and there's a
spot in the floor where when you step on it,
that ball rattles, And that was exact same sound that
we heard. But the only difference was nobody was moving
a finger.
Speaker 7: No, We all were sitting huddled all together so we
could listen to the eating.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it just.
Speaker 7: Sounded like And we also remember we also had heard
the cabinet door open and close.
Speaker 6: It sounded like the cabinet run.
Speaker 8: You're right, and it was like a definite sound. I
have pictures of that too, I need to send you,
but there's nothing paranormal in them. But yeah, and that
was one of the stories told to us by the
tour guide in the beginning. He said, you know, the
door will open. You know, we have people in there.
The one door open seasily, the other one doesn't. No
doors were open. We had a person sitting right there,
but we heard the sound of the door open. And
I totally get that though, because we're in our house
and the one thing that happens here all the time
you hear doors open and close. They don't actually open
and close, but you hear the sound of that. You
can hear the knob, you can hear everything. So I
don't know how they do that or why, or residual
or not, but you know, I know for a fact
it happens. It happens to us all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we get we really, you know, when you think
about it, you know everything happens so fast. At conferences though,
you're always being pulled in a million different directions. But
you know, since you know, we've been home for what
a week or whatever, it's been, not even I think
three days, it doesn't feel like a whole week. To man,
it's like it's like now that you have a little
chance to look back, you know that that second floor
on a Jenu eight house was really really active, considering
the amount of considering the amount of people that were
in that little little house, I mean there was there
was like easily twenty of us separated on different floors.
Speaker 7: You always it was really active.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, I think too though. Not only was
it active, but you know, you're in a tiny little house,
in a tiny little floor with people beneath you, and
then you have people in the stallar so of course
you you know, wherever you go, I don't care where
it is. You didn't have the chance of contamination. But
you know, everybody was being so good, and we knew
the floor squeaked. It was one of the squeakiest floors
I've ever been to. But everybody was so cool and
so tight, and then you could start really hearing. I
mean you know we have EVP that said, uh, what
did they say? We want more people?
Speaker 7: But that was a direct response to Mark's question, marks like,
how do you feel about having all these people come
in and out of here?
Speaker 8: And yeah, and that leads me to believe. You know,
it's something we've gone at more than one time. And
it's almost like if they're draining their batteries. You know,
we are EMF. We're living, but we're EMF. They're enough.
They are draining us and we are their energy, you know.
And the later in the night it got, I think
the more stuff we started to get. I'm a firm
believer between one and three morning is when you get
your best stuff. I think we stopped it too. But
to have everything against you, the squeaky floors, the amount
of people, it was very light, we had light coming
in from the outside. We had no blinds, we couldn't
close it off. But with all these things against you,
to get so much stuff, I think is remarkable. And
you know, I think that place was totally live and
we had a great kraft.
Speaker 7: I think Mark also asked something about baking in the
kitchen or something, and it said something like we like
having the women.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we or we need the women or something.
Speaker 2: Well don't we all?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh yeah, that was I do remember that now
that you mentioned it. We got a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeahs creepy. I wonder if they needs feminine energy or something.
Speaker 4: No, I just think they just needed they just needed
to use to clean the house.
Speaker 5: And oh boy, well, especially if you're dealing with soldiers
who maybe in the.
Speaker 1: Area that they're campaigning and they don't get to see
very many women.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, talking about the soldiers, I recall another really great
EVP was he's the one we killed?
Speaker 6: Do recall that one?
Speaker 4: I do remember that.
Speaker 8: I don't remember a lot of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do remember that. And we were asking, yeah,
we were asking about I think we were talking about
a soldier.
Speaker 7: You were asking about the soldiers, the soldiers because there
was two soldiers, soldiers in the picture downstairs, remember talking
about the picture and they were posted and you were
talking about them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was really uh, it was
a really good night, really really good night.
Speaker 8: M Yeah. I can't imagine what it would be like
in a pitch dark I mean, you know, later in
the night. If it was that good that early and
that bright, I can't imagine what it could be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we got and then we got the one. Uh.
I think what it is is that I don't know
what the blue laws or whatever, but there's I guess
like certain places where you could buy like liquor, and
and we were talking about wine or something like that.
Speaker 8: Said, does anybody know what's open now? Because you know,
I would like to buy wine or I guess there's
a blue law in Pennsylvania and you're kind of right
on the borderline of Baltimore, so you know, you cross
the line and you can get your booth And would
you remember what they said?
Speaker 4: I think, I know, I think I think I was
asking something about, hey, do you guys know where the
closest place is where we could get some wine? Exactly liquor,
And we got an EVP and it said we don't drink.
I don't drink Okay, I wait, I had I mean,
and it was pretty clear.
Speaker 6: It was very clear. I mean, you know, they were
very it was.
Speaker 7: It was definitely not residual because oh no, remember we
had the boy, the gentleman. He was sitting in the
corner and he had the IR camera and he wanted
to do it demonstration, and he lifted his hand up
into the air and he said, how many fingers am
I holding? And the voice that came back was what
was what's in your other hand?
Speaker 4: Check the other hand?
Speaker 8: Oh? I remember that we haven't even loaded this show.
We've just been like three days.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you're right, you remember. Yeah, you remember more
of them than we do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I mean that's a perfect example. You know,
do something symbolic and see if they see it.
Speaker 1: You know, see, for me as a paranormal investigator, EVP is,
without a doubt, one of the most impressive pieces of
evidence that we can get, because whenever you get a
photograph or a video, there's always a measure of doubt
that you're getting.
Speaker 2: A reflection or dust or or whatever.
Speaker 1: But when you catch a recording that intelligently responds to
a question, I mean, there's just no other explanation for it.
You're not picking up radio waves or you know, somebody
down the street. You know, you these examples that you've
mentioned so far tonight clearly indicate an intelligent response.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, and you know, to take the step further
than that, you know, you know, now we're getting responses
to questions before we even ask the question. So I
mean that lends itself to me to be which I
always believed, at least on the most part, they're telepathic,
you know, So they've already they were a higher vibration
worth its dense body. They've already caught the question before
we even formulated. They're already answering it before we ask it.
But we've gotten such really, like, you know, we were
in our bedroom. When did we get the one with counting?
Do you remember?
Speaker 4: Oh? Debbie asked? I think you asked.
Speaker 8: And how well? They say counting? Wait, and then you
hear me say how many are here?
Speaker 4: Right? Debbie asks who is here with me? And they
say counting? And then Debbie says how many of you
were here with me? So they answered her second question
even before she asked it.
Speaker 8: Right. But I'm seeing such a spike in this, you know,
And it's like anything else we no longer record at home,
but you know, when you keep that portal open and
you record all the time, the chances of that happening
or I would say maybe for us, maybe seventy eighty
percent that will get them to respond before we ask.
Speaker 7: You know, I see you guys on the shows and
they just show the bits and pieces, but working with
you in person was amazing. And when you guys play
that back, there's just so many voices going on in
the background. I was just in awe because I could
listen to my recorder and there's dead silence and all you.
Speaker 6: Hear is myself. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, you know the thing too is, you know, a
lot of it. You don't want to jade either, because
a lot of it is loss. That's mostly what you get.
And it's kind of like you know that famous picture
of the lady brush her hair in the mirror and
you see a lady in the mirror, or you can
look at it and see us call exactly. But I
think the thing of it is, you know, you know
it's EVP because you do hear that one word. Then
you know, we adjust our sound levels and stuff until
almost to words easiest for them or what are they
coming in clear at all? Right, Let's adjust and make
them as comfortable as we can. But I mean, I
think near the ends of the night, what I love
is to get tangible voices because I'm not out there
to you know, put out static or jade anybody your mouth.
Speaker 7: These were clear people were hearing them across the room,
the ones.
Speaker 8: Sometimes it's clearer across the room because it's like the
sound travels thing. And sometimes I even have to hold
a recorder away from my ear, but once you hear it,
not to jade anybody, but you know, there is a
tangible voice that goes with it. And if for every
group we could do that one time, I'm good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, yeah, I did want to ask about
the levels, because you know, I do EVPs, but you
guys kept adjusting levels and you were going two and
four and three and five.
Speaker 6: What exactly is that?
Speaker 7: Is that the recording volume level or your listening level?
Speaker 4: No, it's it's the sensitivity level.
Speaker 8: And it depends whatever recording you're working with too. You
got to see what gadgets that one has on it.
But I trying to play with everything until at whatever scale.
San has a scale of one to ten, I'll start
at one. I like him to start at ten, and
we'll kind of just keep playing with it until all right,
that was good? All right, you keep your one on
that one? And now what was that say that was for? Okay,
I'm of this to three. This time you stay up
for I'll move to you know five this time you
stay up for and then we just try to get
a thing to work. We're actually hearing a tangible voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and see when when we do that, I like
to we use voice activation because of the volume of
recordings we do. You know, if we didn't use voice activation, right,
there would be no way that we could even come
close to keeping up. Not that we do now, but
at least kind of you know, you see the light
at the end of the title. We know, okay, we've
got to do you know, we got to put Gettysburg
in and then we have to you know.
Speaker 8: Going back from an event, we have six hours alone,
not to even count.
Speaker 4: Right, So when we kind of mess with the sensitivity levels,
what I'm looking for on my recorder is I want
the sensitivity level high enough to where it's basically just
teetering on the brink of just recording all the time.
In my mind, it makes it that much easier for
them to kick on the voice activation and come through.
I don't want I don't want my sensitivity level set
at one. I want it set at about four most
of the time.
Speaker 8: I see this is where we differ too. I like
to play with it so that's our good wream.
Speaker 7: You know, I did ask you, Mark, and I was
curious to I don't think we ever got to finish
it because the other group came in when I had
asked you. It's just so odd that you and Debbie
don't get the same recordings on the same recorders.
Speaker 6: And I wanted was.
Speaker 7: What was your theory on why you would get it
and why Debbies would not.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's the that's the basic theory behind
EVP and how EVP comes about, and that's that they
are working with the internal noise of the recorder and
they transform that internal noise, or of course you can
use external external noise. When we started recording, we used
to hold our recorders up to our sailing fan. I'm
standing under it right now.
Speaker 8: Or I would drain the bathtub and just the sound
of the water going down would give them enough to
shoot out a word or sentence. Right.
Speaker 4: But that's the theory behind EVP is they need they
need some kind of audio energy to transform or manipulate.
I don't like to use that word into their message.
And if that is true, then that makes total sense.
Why we've had recordings where we've asked the question on
my recorder says yes, and on Debbie's he says.
Speaker 8: No, Yeah, what about on copt distance away? Usually literally,
we don't like to stay more than five feet away.
Speaker 5: Okay, hey, can I ask you a question? What kind
of a recorder do you guys use? I mean I
use an Olympus DS forty but Carrie and said that
yours look square shaped or you know what.
Speaker 8: We use all different kinds. We like the Panasonic because
you have the rewind feature, and you know, we invest
invested a bunch of those years ago, so we use
that on investigations, but we use all kinds. We use
the Sony ic D B twenty six awesome recorder. You know,
we use the sixteen, the Sony seventeen. You know, I
saw somebody else with another Sony I never saw, but
it looked just like my Sony. So I'm like, please
let me know what you get with that. The Olympus
forty one hundred.
Speaker 4: We use all kinds.
Speaker 8: The thing I like, we just got had a good deal,
and I like the reline feature. The Panasonic. There's once
on eBay for like three three fifty. No, don't do that,
And we're working with a real time too, and that
we did when when did we do it? Like, I
don't remember now, Saturday night or something? But else No, no,
but I had I experienced it and I listened back
to and that's an awesome recorder. And we're trying to
do some work with Gary Galka too, who makes these
amazing products. And you know, I'm hoping to be able
to start doing that at home because, as I said,
we stopped recording at home things just got out of hand.
But to be able to listen while I'm here, you know,
that would be awesome because it kind of like it's
like being an artist unable to paint. You know. I
don't want to record. I don't want to jeopardize, you know,
my pets and my children. But I know there's stuff
going on here and to hear, you know, maybe I'll
pushed the envelope. I think that's I'm kind of jones
in here. I need to talk to them.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, is that what caused you to get into
recording EVP because of activity in your home or was
it the other way around? You started recording EVP and
things started happening at all.
Speaker 8: Well, I you know, I was born, I was born
into an only child on a cemetery. Parents denied it.
You know, I've had activity in my whole life, every house,
every apartment, you know. If and I'm not trying to say, hey,
you know I'm all that, but you know I'm aware
of them, they're aware of me. And not only that,
but you know, you know they're not They've done a
lot more for me than living people. So like, I'm
nice to them, So what does that tell you? Where
are they going to want to go next door? If
I'm putting out a day dead spreads them, you know
what I mean? So you know, it's not only being
aware of them, but I think treating them right too
and with respect, and I do think I do that.
So you know, I've just been in it my whole life,
and I think that this is really my calling in
this life.
Speaker 6: Well, you guys are are awesome at it.
Speaker 8: Oh, well you rock.
Speaker 1: Now when did you start first getting involved with the
television shows? How did that come about? Because that really
is what propelled you into the U the spotlight in
working with a lot of groups like the Ghost Adventure guys, which,
by the way, I have to say that's my hands
down favorite Guilty Pleasure.
Speaker 8: Show agreed, Oh man, you're rock. They are. They are
the best, the best they have.
Speaker 1: They have something that none of the other shows have.
They have character and personality.
Speaker 8: They you know, not only that they're they're totally psychic
and their channels and everything else. You know, not only
are they hot sexy and you noticed or not, but
they're like, you know, they've got it going on. They've
got they are you know how I said, like they
drain your batteries. They are batteries.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're so energetic.
Speaker 2: They Nick and Nick and Zach are.
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron seems to have the good sense of
say no, I ain't doing that.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, you know, but you know he's kind of
we're all pulled into the cauldron too, you know, so
to speak. We're almost seem to doue and when you
start it, you know, you just get caught up. You're
in the same building. They're going to move on to
different people. So he can say what he wants to,
but there's still he has just as much chance to
be followed home as we do.
Speaker 2: They do well to hear him tell it. He was
followed homie.
Speaker 1: He actually told that story after the second Bobby Mackey
episode how followed him home.
Speaker 8: And it ruined And I know, you know, we have
the pleasure of meeting his ex wife too.
Speaker 4: His wife hurt.
Speaker 8: Some inside stories too.
Speaker 4: No, the energy, the energies are the three guys on
that show just balance out perfectly. And I think that's
why they get the evidence that they get. But as
far as the television shows and stuff, I mean, that
was not that was not something that we ever ever
ever aspired to.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's not like you auditioned for anything like this.
We just, I don't know, kind of we were out
there the documentary came out. We did made a local
news special right after the documentary because you know, I
don't provoke. And you know, I see this guy in
a tub in what do you call it, in his
silver creating slit in his wrists and you killed yourself
and I'm like, this is appalling. Who are these people?
And I'm like, we're going to We're going to the
Goldfield And then I see the brick fly and I'm like,
that's bullshit. Let me put all let me go to
the gold Field. You know, let me disclaim these people
we had never met them. And then you know, I
had never seen activity like that. I've heard of it,
you know, I've seen ramifications from that. I've had things
supported doppled, never in front of my face, just always
you turn around, it's moved, and I'm like, yeah, you know,
and then you have the provoking thing. So we go
there and you know, it's at the end of the
night and KTV and Bill Brown has the camera on
the adult times. It's getting near three. We're all tired,
and I said, you know, there's people out there saying,
did you guys move this? And like they were proud.
It was clearer than my voice and they never threw
the camera off me. They say thank you, but we've
done it. And I think what's most you know, uh
invoking about the whole thing is that they say we've
done it. So whatever back in the years, we've all
done stupid things when we were kids, and don't say
you didn't, because we all did. We're not the same people.
And like you know, you know, say they provoked or whatever,
you know they were, whatever they did got to go
so aggravated or whatever is coming through Damion's ghost spirits,
I don't know, but we got the voice saying thank you,
But we've done it. So they provoked something so much
that in my mind, they all focused together on that
brick and made that brick fly.
Speaker 4: It was unbelievable. I mean, we ended up meeting meeting
the guys, I don't know, maybe seven months after that
or yeah.
Speaker 8: Just happened to be. Well, they're in Vegas where arinos
so you know ago, Yeah, and then they did a
conference in Virginia City and.
Speaker 4: We were part of that, the first conference.
Speaker 8: And you can't meet them without saying, these guys are awesome. Yeah,
you know, and I'm not trying to kiss butt or anything.
They are just some of the best soles on the planet.
And I just say that true.
Speaker 6: I actually just saw that episode.
Speaker 7: I don't know, it was a few months ago where
you guys all went back there.
Speaker 6: It was a pretty active night that night as well.
Speaker 4: That was crazy. I mean, there ended up being so
much evidence that didn't end up making it into the
episode even after effect, because I think they wanted to push,
you know, they wanted to put a big focus on
the fact that the gold field. We were not going
there to investigate the gold field, and that is the
gods on this tree.
Speaker 8: That is not a lie. We were all right, no,
I'm bit excited here.
Speaker 4: We we we didn't find out till last second. They didn't, Yeah,
that the plans had changed, and we were getting into
the Goldfield when we left our house to drive down there.
We were going down to investigate the two other places.
I mean, and they wanted to emphasize that fact and yeah,
and that's not well the truth.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, they show that.
Speaker 7: In the episode, and it was funny how they were
waiting for the for the man to come out of
the building.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you have to realize that if you go
to the town of Goldfield and this is no why,
I mean, it's like area fifty one. As a matter
of fact, it's like three hours from there. So there
is maybe, like I don't know, twelve act of people
I see in the entire town anytime I go there
on a given day. So to have read the owner
there at that time, it was almost like, oh my god.
And it was not stage and I will take back
to the grave. I mean, it just so happened. He
was right there.
Speaker 4: Everything. I love that.
Speaker 8: It's like, are you locked in? Yeah, you're locked in.
There's a lot. I'm like, well, you know, I'm the
only girl here, so what do I do?
Speaker 4: But you love that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you're talking overnights, like is there a private.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, but you know, the gold feels like totally
you know, if you're a guying it's one thing, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but it's just awesome.
Speaker 8: And then tacking else happened there. I mean there was
one point, oh the next day when we come back,
and I mean we were just so drained, like it's
almost like you know, you're somebody throw a wet blanket
over you, and I'm like, oh my god. And we're
driving home and like nobody's talking to one another, and
it was just like we were all so drained, every
one of us. And you know, there's this tractor trailer
ahead of us, and you're in the middle of the desert,
and so we're fallowing the sky to get to our hotel,
and you know, you see he's kind of like falling
asleep on the road, and it's kind of like almost
like a Twilight Zone moment. You're like, oh my god,
I'm thinking a flip what should we do? Should we
stop him, should we pass them? Or And so we
only get home and then all of us.
Speaker 4: Got sick.
Speaker 8: Zach was sick. I was sick. I was so sick
I couldn't even you know, get up in the morning
to have breakfast. And that is like the first and
only time I ever did that, like I had And
you know, the story is, I've talked to demonologists. If
you have like a little problem like I had, a
little a bit of an error problem, they will amplify
that any kind of gateway they have that you have,
any kind of illness.
Speaker 6: Your weakness, they'll look for it.
Speaker 8: Right the darkness, will you know, open that up and
thrive on it. And I do believe that's what happened,
but it was really weird. The next day, We're stopped
at a light around the gardener from my house and
I'm still all, you know, I feel like a bag
of potatoes. Somebody just shook out and where I like,
And I look over into the car next to me,
and in the back seats there's a baby in a
baby seat. And I look over the baby and I'm
like mark to look at the baby and then the babies.
You know, you hear the stories like and I'm not
sitting the baby as a demon or anything, but like,
you know, how they lock eyes with you, right, you
hear that this baby locks eyes and I'm looking at
it and it's looking at me, and I'm like, Mark,
look and you know how like if you're watching video
and you both look at it, you don't miss anything.
I'm like, this baby is not blinking his eyes. The
baby did not freaking.
Speaker 4: Blink to the great so probably almost a minute. And
we were looking at I did not see that blink
at all.
Speaker 8: And he was driving and I'm like, you look, and
then I look, and then all blink and then you blink.
And that baby was staring dead at me and that baby, Yeah,
I was staring at him, and maybe I got his attention,
but neither one of us saw that baby blink.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And another thing that wasn't really mentioned, which probably
wasn't going to be because it was after the episode,
after we left the Goldfield, but every one of us,
all five of us got really sick. I just said that,
I know, all five of us got really sick. We
drove home. I got home, We're like, and I was
I got so sick, just vomiting that I had to
call out sick the next day at work.
Speaker 7: I meant a cold or you know, if you guys
didn't have a bad.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was, but you know, my air infection blew
up and then I had to go to see a doctor,
which thankfully I already had an appointment for her. But
he's like, oh my god, you know you need antibiotics.
You know you need this, this and this, And I'm like,
what kind of doctor prescribed you all this stuff? You know?
And it was just like, you know, off the huk.
He's like, you walked around like that, and I'm like, well,
it wasn't that bad yesterday. It really did seem like,
you know, it just really erupted overnight there.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now with when in Gettysburg, I heard that there was
another story that happened where you were doing an EVP
session around some haunted dolls.
Speaker 7: Well, John took me for a little bit of a
trip to pick up these haunted dolls. And the story
behind these dolls, it's one hundred dolls with a hundred
different stories. This young lady collected these dolls from different
paranormal cases.
Speaker 6: We really didn't know the history of them all.
Speaker 1: And just to clarify that to John zappis.
Speaker 7: Yes, that would be John's sapphis and I was ziggitting
apt as I'd like to call it, for four and
a half hours just driving around Virginia.
Speaker 6: And when we picked up these dolls. You know, I
trust John.
Speaker 7: I don't think anything of the dolls. I'm handling them
and everything.
Speaker 6: And before I.
Speaker 7: Had known, he talked to Mark and Debbie and wanted
to conduct a private EVP session of these dolls. So
he wanted to know if there was what kind of
energy was coming with these dolls. So when we get
back to the hotel, Christ and Danner data so bravely
let us use their hotel room in one of their beds,
and we took out the dolls and we laid them
out on the beds, and Mark and Debby came in.
And I was not scared until I saw Mark and
Debbie walk in the room. And you tell them how
you acted, Debbie, because then I got nervous.
Speaker 8: Well I don't really you know, I wasn't really paying
attention to how I acted. But I had never seen
so much energy laid out on one bed. And you know,
to be honest with you, John is like an idol
to me. I have never had I work with him
at a lot of events. We see each other we
smoked cigarettes, but we never had the opportunity to work together.
So you know, my adrenalines pump in, you know in
the back of my head. Maybe John's coming back with
the dolls. Finally he did. You guys were a little
bit late, and I go in there and these dolls.
He had so many. I've never seen so many dolls
in my life. We didn't even take There had to
be well over one hundred. You know, every doll to
me has a different personality, and I don't know if
it's a portal. I don't know. You know, Mark has
a really good theory. If you want to tell them
you're Alistair Crowley saying, Mark, you want.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I that really doesn't have anything to do
with it. Well, but Alistair. I read a book on
Alistair Crowley and he believes that you know, when you die,
you move on, you know where you move on, and
what you leave behind is like a kin to a seashell.
You leave a seashell behind and it has all your
memory and all your.
Speaker 8: Your DNA, your full process.
Speaker 4: Everything right. And then I guess what his theory was
is that you know, any sort of elemental can kind
of climb into that shell.
Speaker 8: And portray themselves like a demon.
Speaker 4: Right, not like a demon like any Well, you don't
know what you're dealing what's really but they can. They
can when you're communicating with them through whatever means. They
have the knowledge that that person, whoever shell it was,
has and they can portray themselves as that person because
they have that person memory there and everything.
Speaker 8: And you've got to realize though, too, this is only
one theory, and this is only a theory. We're just saying, hey,
oh surreal, we have no freaking idea what we're dealing with. Yes, true,
And so you know, I went in there, and then
my thing is, you know, I used to meditate a lot,
and I used to you know, read and stuff like that.
And you know, we're all chakras, and we have seven
pulse points in our aura major ones, you know, to
where it's your seven major chakras. But you also have
them in the palm of your hands, you know, I'm
on the base of your feet. You have them everywhere,
and so you know, I just kind of went over
the bed with the dolls and it was really weird.
It was like almost and the only thing I could
equate it to is if you have a vowl of
razed Crispy's and you know how they pop with the milk, right,
if you were to put your hand really close to
that milk and you would feel that little little singe
of energy, you're a little pop.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: You grab my hand, You're like feel this, yeah.
Speaker 8: And you didn't feel it. And it was like I
was going right over the dolls with my hand. Some
had it and some didn't. There were other dolls. There
was another lady there.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 8: I don't I'm really bad with names, but she was like,
look at these, they're twins. And I was like, certain
dolls either the eyes look really funky or the twin
thing freaked me out. And you know, I don't know,
but yeah, you know, if I don't feel comfortable, even
if it's like a physical thing to where hey, you
know the Stanley Twins, that's creepy or something, you know,
I just if I'm not if I don't sit right
with it, I just don't feel it, because you know,
it's too easy to wear something negative. Could say, Hey,
you didn't sit right with it, but you did it anyway,
So I'm going to give you some more, you know.
I don't know, it's like really weird. I'm just starting
learning about the ball as a dark side, and you know,
if it's creepy to me, I just move on to
the next. But I did not like that doll in
the box, and.
Speaker 7: That was her cherished one, that was her most cherished
one was that dog.
Speaker 8: Well, I think I overhear that she started it all.
So I didn't even want to go by her.
Speaker 4: And I wasn't in a hurry to go close to the.
Speaker 6: Bed because that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Debbie and I well, Debbie and I record at are well,
we used to record it in our home.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'll still take them on the porch and
do it, you know, because I think there's some human
spirits attached to the right.
Speaker 4: But I mean we know that whether whether whatever's out
there at times uses these dollars to communicate, like saying, hey,
Mark and Debbie are talking to this doll, so let's talk.
You know, we'll talk. And Noel think that we're attached
to the doll. And I see it might be an opportunistic.
Speaker 8: Thing, but do you think anything It could be the doll,
It could be the love of somebody poured into the doll, right,
it could be anything. But you know, i've really you know,
I think we've worked with some long enough to know
there are certain dolls that had certain voices. You know,
I asked that, you know, some of the activities stopped,
Like there was one that would open and closed doors.
I stood out here in the living room and I said,
you know, I don't care what happens. You can't open
and close the doors because I have animals here, they're
inside animals. You can't do that and stay here. And
it happened three days in a row with we have
a by side refrigerator. And that was the story with
the doll. So whether or not it's somebody playing to
be the doll or whatever, we you know, I can't
even get into that. I can't run my mind around that.
But because door and the freezer side by side was open,
wide open every morning for three days. My kids were teenagers.
You know, they don't do that. We've lived here for
you know, fifteen sixteen years. Never happened before, it never
happened after. The activity did stop. But I would also
see funky things that and I mean I'm not talking
pull sledge trapp versions, but like glimpsy stuff to where
it was. All this is really weird to say, but
I can only explain it how it happened. The dolls
are in the office and we keep them all there,
and it's almost like a dog on a lead chain
to where they can only walk around that circle, you know,
they can go any further, and uh, you know, I
would see I would go in the kitchen, you know,
in the middle of the night, get stuff ready, and
you'd see them, you know, and it was like not
like something star and it was like you'd see something.
And I've seen it long enough to know I could
get a glimpse, you know, and I can describe what
I saw. And it was like almost like the eyebrows
were heavier than they should be, and almost like somebody
that's trying to portray something they're not. If that makes sense.
Speaker 4: It does, It does to me, it does.
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know, but all I can say is
what it is. And I saw that a couple of times.
And this is only with particular dolls, but it seems
like it's only in the kitchen, or it's only around
the perimeter where the dolls are well.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because Debbie's talking about we at that point,
we had a couple thousand off that we're new, you know,
to being in the house. She started seeing things differently,
and I sensed that it was kind of freaking her
out a little bit. So I went in.
Speaker 8: It wasn't freaking out, It's just something different.
Speaker 4: Ye, that's what I sensed. So I went in and
I recorded it and I said, all right, listen, guys,
I said, from now on, I said, whatever you guys
are doing, you're not allowed to wander far from whatever
doll you're attached to. That's what we're going to have
to do here. And we got an e VP and
and it was a mail's voice and he said and
he said, that's BS. Didn't say DS. He said the
word earlier straight out.
Speaker 2: You can say, yeah, no FCC rules here.
Speaker 6: Let's say okay, good, No, it's fun now, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: When So when you came into the hotel room and
you saw all these dolls laid out for you, how
did you come to it?
Speaker 2: Try to approach to do an e VP session?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think generally we do what we
always do and it doesn't matter like if we had
no groups in the perfect location. How we like to
work is just totally life out. On a perfect day,
we would probably sit there for fifteen minutes, see what
the house had to say to us, see what sounds
we heard, kind of get into your head and see
where you see them in the building, ask them, talk
to them. I talked to them right in the air,
just I could do at home. You know, you can
come to me. It's okay, We're not going to hurt you.
Let them know why we're here verbally as well as telepathically,
and then you know, maybe fifteen twenty minutes. Like usually generally,
if we have those circumstances, you will usually hear footsteps
or knox or something. And I mean not like oh gee,
afore you get the house. I mean really tangible stuff
to where you can say, okay, we thought that was
you can you do it again? You know, in the
perfect setting we've had success to where they do. Then
you can say, okay, come in. And usually I say
prayers first, if it was you know, in the perfect situation,
and then we we'll record and what we do do
little bursts maybe a minute or two at a time,
play back, and then like Carrie was saying, generally the
EVP we get back is totally different on each recorder,
and you know that's, you know, something I wanted to
touch on too, just really quickly. Carry I think you
touched on earlier. Why they only come up on one recorder.
And a friend of mine laylave with La paranormal. Her
dad has a great theory and this isn't mine, it's his,
but she he said, you know, I'm thinking, if you're
a house painter and you have four walls to paint,
you can only paint on one wall at a time.
And I thought that was such a great analogy. And
then you know, I guess some people like Embidextrius or
whatever paint too. You know, maybe really artsy people won't
have done it for a really long time. But to me,
that made so much sense to me. And you know,
I try to give him credit when I can, but
I use that because I think that's just so right
to the point and what I believe is going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 4: And when we record, we look we are actively looking
for interaction. You know, we're not laying a recorder down
and coming back a half hour later and then listening
back two weeks later at.
Speaker 8: Home no, No. I mean we've even played cards to where
we lay cards out and we say, can you tell
me what this is? They said at Alcatraz full house? Wow,
and it was a full house.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean we've been at the Wolft where we had
the cards down and we say, can you tell me
what this card is? What they say jack? We pull
over a jack.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying like one over one hundred times
it is because we maybe did this maybe five times,
but I'm telling you four or five times they were right.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I heard that you've got a very disturbing EVP while
doing these succession with these dolls.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think At one point Debbie asks, she asked,
we really did two recordings first recording, Well, we got
quite a few, We got a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 6: But in the beginning they were nice.
Speaker 7: Actually, remember in the beginning they were somewhat nice. We're
all feeling good about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. On the first recording, Debbie asked what they think
of John and they say not bad. And then we
ended up recording again and Debbie asked that question again,
what do you think of John's apice or John or whatever,
and they say dead and you know, and then they
will know and they.
Speaker 8: Will mess with you and they will square with your hat.
Speaker 4: That is what they do, right, And people in the
room kind of got nervous about it, and I said,
you know, John knows better than anybody that if they
can mess with you, that's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Now here's the evp uh in question that you all mentioned.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen, and what are you shilling?
Speaker 8: Stop? And what are you shilling? Stop?
Speaker 6: Bom?
Speaker 8: And what are you shilling stop bom?
Speaker 7: Well, here's the interesting story because, uh, John calls me
on Monday to tell me that on the way home
from Phenomenology, the rear axle of his car comes off
while he's driving. He was doing about seventy or so
and the car started to shimmy, and he made it
over to the side of the road just in time,
where the axle broke right off the car and had
rusted right throw. So it's, yeah, it's pretty scary. He's
pretty shook it up. And he's like, I know, I
should have bound those damn dolls before I put him
in the car and brought him home with me, because
you know, he usually does that, but he'll you know,
he'll do it with objects once he gets back to
the house. But I guess after he heard that EVP, he's.
Speaker 6: Like, I just should have done it. You know, we're
all exhausted, so that, you know, we have.
Speaker 2: To Well it's a he wasn't hurt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, he was not hurt.
Speaker 7: He's very sick right now, or he would have called
in this evening he said he has absolutely no voice.
Speaker 6: He has pneumonia actually right now.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: See, you know, like right after the Galldfield we got.
Speaker 9: Sick this how and you know.
Speaker 8: You have just so much energy. I've never seen so
many dolls in my life in one place.
Speaker 7: Rights, and then in another five hours, oh, I know, and.
Speaker 8: To be in the room with John's aspid to finally
work with him with all these dolls, I was like
a little kidney candy store. And then you know, and
then we also got other EVP too.
Speaker 4: As soon as that was.
Speaker 8: Like embarrassed, one of them said embarrassed, I don't know
if you remember, yeah, and then John said that was relative.
Speaker 4: Relevant, yeah, something like that. And then there was one
time where as soon as we turned a recorder on
I think it was the very first recording. As soon
as we turned it on, we got an EVP and
it said I had to do it.
Speaker 6: I had to do it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, remember that we.
Speaker 4: Got some crazy stuff. But there was the amount, like
Debbie said, the amount of energy that was in that room.
Speaker 6: We were all amped up. We were all amped up too.
Speaker 4: It was crazy.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well that's what they've seen on two that I
am so totally believer on that. You know, when you
know you're get to get it and you put it
out there and there's not not to say skeptic, but
you know exactly you're amped up. That's the amp they're using,
that's what they're using, manifesting voices.
Speaker 2: That's that's incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've gotten a lot of great EVPs
in our research. Our group has been investigating since two
thousand and four. I've been doing it for about eleven years.
Speaker 2: I've got a.
Speaker 1: Variety of grade EVPs. Some I was actually able to
hear of my own years. Most I didn't. I was
actually wondering if I could play one for you. We
just actually recorded this last month and it's without about
one of the clearest EVPs we.
Speaker 2: Have ever heard.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, guys, and and it's it's freaky. And what's
great about this particular VP is we caught it on
three separate recorders, and the volume is different on three
recorders to that we could try the position to tell
exactly where the spirit was in relation to everybody. And
let me play this for you real quick. Hopefully you
can hear it through uh, through your phone line. Uh,
there's gonna be a little bit of silence, and then
you're gonna hear one of our investigators, Jennifer is gonna
get up to move across the room. She actually trips
a little bit on the carpet and she goes ow.
But you'll hear a woman's voice come in now. Jennifer
was the only woman there, but you're gonna hear a
woman or a child's voice come in in a sing
song voice. But take a listen to this and tell
me what you think.
Speaker 4: Did you guys hear that I was That is a
lot of that is a long I heard two sentences.
Speaker 8: I heard you hurt me. She's like, I must have
heard something else, she said.
Speaker 6: She If you hear here, we'll play it again for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nineteen second clip, and I there is
some silence in the beginning, but then what you hear
is what sounds like a young child's voice. It fades
in really quick and it's a sing song going closer
to you, closer to me, and she repeats it, let
me play it one more time.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I hear it.
Speaker 7: And there is no cats, no kids, and Jennifer is
the only woman in the room and she's a smoke
or toot, so she has a deeper voice.
Speaker 6: So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 8: And now I think that is amazing. I totally hear
it once. You hear it, not to jade me, but
I totally hear it now.
Speaker 4: And that's very cool because you know, every once in
a while, one of our slides we have in our
that we put in our presentation is I'll go through
the different types of VP that we have recorded, and
I tell people a little bit about what you know,
what you're what to listen for. And one of them
is a sing song e v P. And that's it
sounds like the voice is coming through on a roller coaster,
and that's exactly what it sounds like. We have recorded
e v P that that way before, and it's interesting
because I read an article it's probably a couple of
years ago, and it was from somebody I think they
were in Germany and they were a musician and they
were saying that the majority of the e v P
that GAT comes through in that sing song kind of
kind of voice, and I thought that was that was
really interesting.
Speaker 8: That is a word I wonder if it's not the
geological location.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's more they're pinpointing his energy, and
he's a musician, that's his energy.
Speaker 1: You know, And interesting for one, that's a very interesting theory. Yeah,
it's it's uh again, it's EVPs are just so phenomenal
to me, and you know the fact that we're able
to record them, and you know, the recorders keep getting
better and clearer as time goes on. Although I know
I noticed that there's sometimes even when the Ghost Adventure
guys seem to use some recorders that don't that don't
have that pure quality sound they go it sounds a
little bit more rustic for better word, like a generation
or so back that that, so.
Speaker 2: Some of the e vps are a little harder to hear.
Speaker 1: Uh, do you guys use different types of recorders or
different like recorders that are older and some newer.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sermon with everything, you know, we're hopefully and I'm
so stoked. You know, we were talking to Gary Galka.
We'refully going to be working with the uh real time recorders,
and then we use the Sony's, we use the Olympus,
we use the loading Kid, we use you know, everything,
we use everything. I use them from Walmart, I use
I go to thrift stores, I use you know, uh,
what do you call those old countries? This is yeah,
you know, I'll buy anything, you know, and a three
stars they're a dollar buy them. Try um. If you
don't like them, chuck them. Yeah, you know, I mean
I'll buy anything and try anything.
Speaker 4: And our experience, our experience is that the older generation recorders,
well they have more internal noise, right, they do tend
to work better. Now, there's a drawback because we also
have an H two Zoom, which is crystal crystal clear.
And we have heard people that have recorded e v
P from from the Zoom recorders and although they might
not get the volume of e VP that we get,
when they do come through, they tend to be crystal clear.
So there's, right, there's a drawback to using the older
generation recorders because you might get more e VP, but
there's some editing, editing that's involved because you want to
try to make them a little bit clearer, because they
tend to be more gruff.
Speaker 8: Right You're first, You're gonna have to load them one
at a time, and it's very time consuming process.
Speaker 4: There's no USB capabilities to the recorders that we use,
and that's why it doesn't take much for us to
get buried.
Speaker 2: Yeah, understandable.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember the very first EVP I ever got,
and this was back before the term EVP was really
even coined, Back in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: I was in high school.
Speaker 1: I went to a cemetery with just an analog cassette recorder.
We saw a documentary, my brother and a friend, documentary
about going around and tape recording graves and getting voices.
So we thought, hey, that's cool, let's go do it.
So we went to a local cemetery and sure enough,
we got a very clear EVP of a young girl
on the same grave.
Speaker 2: Two EVPs.
Speaker 1: We got one where she says she whispers I'm dead,
help me, which freaked us out. My friend wanted to
go running home, but me I was a brave one.
I go, no, no, no, let's see if we can get more.
So I recorded again and immediately right away, clear as day,
she's speaking very loud. She goes, it isn't finished, which
goes right into the whole theory of you know a
lot of these spirits being earthbound because they have unfinished business.
Speaker 8: Wow, same voice.
Speaker 2: Same voice, same exact voice.
Speaker 8: Yes, wow, see you know, and that's that's my thing too,
Like you know, well, people provoking, you know, it does
aggravate me because you know these people are alive. You know,
it's like somebody knocking at your door. You wouldn't yell
at these people. You wouldn't treat them like garbage. And then,
for some unfound reason, people think when people are dead
you can treat them like garbage. It's like, you know,
I'm sorry, what are you doing in your spare times
around kittens? You know, No, I'm sorry, but you know
it's true.
Speaker 4: But it's true. It's like these are the same people
that if somebody was standing in front of them, they'd
be nice as pie. But yeah, exactly, this per this
spirit doesn't have a body. They are all of a sudden, they're.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, and then if they do fight back, oh,
you've got classes een so you know, it's really I
don't know, it's just really to me, deeply wrong.
Speaker 4: But whatever, everybody got their own style.
Speaker 7: Well it was you know, I laughed because you guys
did ask about Zach when we were at the Jenny
Wade and.
Speaker 6: The EVP we got back was like, really harsh.
Speaker 7: It was burned Zach, remember that, it was really harsh.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but you know, those guys, I'll tell you what,
from the time they put their documentary out to now,
they have come such a long long ways. I mean,
you know, just by doing it all the time. I
mean they really have respect.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they learned from everybody they work with. And if
you notice now, you know, I mean, my god, if
you want to take me from ten years ago, I'd
look at that person say my god, I don't want
her anywhere near me. And that was me, you know
what I mean. And you know, I'm sorry. We're not
perfect people, and this is how we all learn. But now,
if you notice, when they single out of ghosts, it's
a negative ghost that's raped or killed or god knows
what they've done to somebody. That's the ghost of singling out,
and not for nothing. We all die, you know, there's
a lot of people here. I love the dead. I
love the dead at times, you know, more than the living.
You know, I think per capita. But you know you can't.
I don't know more t help me out here.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure where you were going either, but well, I.
Speaker 1: Think you were talking about being respectful to those most spirits.
Speaker 8: You know, you don't know who you're speaking with or whatever,
but at least you don't have the decency to realize
they're dead. You know' idiots die too. They could come
into you if you're initiating communication. If somebody tells me
to shut up in my house, you'll be damned straight.
I'll tell them shut up and get out. But you know,
there's a line you have to throw these you know,
this is the dead. And I do think they're a
bit wiser in the sense that if you don't believe
that there's an after life after this, you know, now
they're like, oh my god, I'm seeing in the other dimensions.
Well this is real, so you know, and they have
so much to wrap their minds around.
Speaker 4: And not only that, I mean, you know, we don't
know what they have to go through to bring their
message forward. I mean, and they don't have to talk to.
Speaker 8: You because you turn on a recorder, they.
Speaker 4: Have to talk exactly truth be told, they don't have
to talk to us. If they don't want to to
talk to us, we would sit there with our recorders
and not get a damn thing, you know. And and
I think that's the thing that we try to emphasize.
And like I said, everybody has their own style, you know,
and to each your own. You know, if you want
to go in and you want to you know, you
want to provoke, and you want to be the big
bad ass, and that's fine. I mean, that's that's just
who you are. But that's why we try to emphasize.
You know what, don't you know, don't be disrespectful. You know,
you don't know who you're speaking to. And that's enough
to talk to well not only.
Speaker 8: That too, but I do that. You know, if you
want to take this to the next level, you're being watched.
Not only are you being watched, you're being evaluated. Because
my deal is, you know, you're only alive because you
need to learn more or you need to teach more,
you know, And when that's over is probably the time
to die, you know, so for whatever.
Speaker 1: Reason, you know, Debbie, I hate, I really hate to
interrupt you. But are you hearing Is there a girl
in the room speaking right now?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 8: No, but there is. I am on porch smoking a cigarette,
and there's a time next door on the No.
Speaker 2: We're not hearing a chime. We're here.
Speaker 1: We've been hearing for the last minute or so, a
young girl, female voice speaking in the background behind you.
Speaker 4: No, I was worried that you were hearing that. You
my guys might be hearing our dog. But we've got
a great, big dog and he's barking in.
Speaker 7: His dog runs, playing outside like kids, possibly playing.
Speaker 6: In the distance or something.
Speaker 2: It did not more like a voice, like a voice.
Speaker 4: We don't I'm not picking that up at all.
Speaker 8: No, but that's not the first time that we've heard
like feedback on stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've isolated the time here. We're gonna have to
definitely go back and listen to that. Well, we're coming
to the end of the show, and I wanted to
ask what are your plans for the future from going
forward from here?
Speaker 8: Mark? Do you have that computer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got a couple of conferences coming up.
Speaker 8: Oh, I know you have Mansfield, which.
Speaker 4: Is Man's Yeah, I think Mansfield sold out. That's coming
up in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: Awesome anyway, and that's what the Coast Adventures.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if there's anybody Virginia, Virginia City is for
anybody that's never been there, Virginia City is probably the
most haunted town that I've ever been to.
Speaker 8: Sus I'm here feedback. But there's miners, you know, there's
you know, minds that collabs, people got suffocated. You know,
there was great fires there. There's you know, I hate
to say but with a happy face, but there's more
tragedy in this town. And it's like actually swinging doors
on the buildings. You have the wash Up Club, Saint
Mary's Art Center, and Tara, the one that does the conferences.
I swear to god, I've never seen anyone that gives
you more time per location than Tara. So what's her
website www dot api Rweekly dot com.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I think if you go to APR.
Speaker 8: Or you can go to our website and then just
write a bandage.
Speaker 4: It's called a Paranormal Interest Retreat and it's May twelfth
through the fifteenth.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 4: I still think she has a couple of tickets left.
Speaker 6: But it's basically priced. It's very reasonably priced.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that includes the hotel room.
Speaker 4: The price, does it?
Speaker 8: I thought it did. I'm not sure, but you can
talk to Tara right.
Speaker 4: And then we've got before that. I think a week
before that, we're going to be at the Mantiqua Paranormal
Expo in Mantica, California. Spirit Work Productions. I know there
are some tickets left for that. And then I think
in June we're going to be in Red Boiling Springs, Tennessee.
It's June third, which and that the conference is called
the Dead and Gone. It's New Light Paranormal. And what's
really interesting, if we have a minute, is that about
four or five years ago, we came across a haunted
bed and breakfast on the internet, and just for hell
of it, I contacted a real estate agent in Tennessee
and I said, Hey, you know this house is for sale,
this bed and breakfast. Can you get us some information
on it. Not that we could have afforded it, but
it was for a good price, and it was like
an up and running bed and breakfast. It was like
eighteen rooms and blah blah blah with hot springs in
the back. Right. So anyway, the real estate agent never
really help, that's never really got its information, so that
all kind of went by the wayside. And then now
lo and behold, we're doing a conference at the exact
same bed.
Speaker 8: Saying that we're not sure, but you know how we're.
Speaker 4: The same, It is the same.
Speaker 8: Well, he knows everything, so I suppose it's the same.
Speaker 4: So I'm thinking that we're probably going to get some
crazy stuff there because it's weird, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't wait to see that.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to talk about it on Facebook for sure.
Speaker 4: Great, well, yeah, yeah we will.
Speaker 1: Well, Mark and Debbie, I just really wanted to thank
you for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: You guys have been phenomenal to talk to.
Speaker 1: We've had such a good time here tonight, and we're
definitely going to have to have you back on the
program again sometime soon.
Speaker 4: Well. Absolutely, that's fascinating comic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is certainly is. Well.
Speaker 1: Again, thank you for being on and I want to
thank everybody for listening to the show tonight. To be
sure to tune in next week at seven pm Eastern
standard time for our next show, and we're going to
sign off tonight as usual by saying good night, John,
where wherever you are.