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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Mark Johnson. I'm formerly the host of

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Unknown Origins Radio, and I wanted to make a special

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announcement regarding the episode you are about to hear. This

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particular episode was recorded back on April third of two

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thousand and eleven, and our guests were Mark and Debbie Constantino.

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They were renowned EVP specialists and they had appeared on

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numerous shows, especially numerous episodes of Ghost Adventures. I had

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the pleasure of meeting them a few years ago during

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one of the Phenomenology events in Gettysburg, and they were

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very well respected in their normal community. Now, for those

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of you who don't know, and I will say that

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if this subject matter disturbs anybody, you can turn off

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the episode right now. It's my intent is not to

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upset anyone. It's to honor, especially Debbie Constantino. But on

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September the twenty second of twenty fifteen, Debbie died at

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the hands of her husband. It was a murder suicide.

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We will never know what drove Mark to do what

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he did. He killed another person in the process. Everybody

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loved them. Nobody saw this coming. They knew they were

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having some problems, but you know, This was a real,

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real tragedy. I'm rebroadcasting this episode again to honor Debbie

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and her work.

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Speaker 2: It's not to glorify Mark or.

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Speaker 1: Anything that he did. Again, I'm not going to judge

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because I don't know all the details. But this was

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a very special episode. We had a good time recording

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it back in twenty eleven and I wanted to share

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it with those of you who want to listen to

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it again. I will warn you if this subject matter

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disturbs you, please stop listening now. Anyway, thank you very

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much for listening.

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Speaker 3: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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and spirits wander through our physical dimension on discovered creatures

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lurk in the shadows, and strange lights and crafts seem

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to dominate gies. Modern science refuses to acknowledge their existence. Yeah,

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credible eyewitnesses are convinced these things are real, and it's

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up to independent researchers to search for the truth. Welcome

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to Unknown Origs Into Radio.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, and welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio.

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I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and again once again tonight,

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I'm joined by Lauren de Pinto. Hey, Lauren, Hi, Mark,

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and Carrie and Versace.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Mark, Now, you guys just came back from a wild

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several days in Gettysburg for the phenomenology one oh three

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of them.

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Speaker 5: Yep, yeah we did.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Now I have to tell you I'm so insanely jealous

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because I had to stay here and work my day

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job and couldn't get away. But I mean, from what

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I've saw on Facebook and your pictures and all the stories,

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it sounds like you guys had a wild time.

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Speaker 7: What happens if phenomenology shows up on Facebook?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure doesn't stay in phenomenology.

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Speaker 5: I had no idea what to expect, you know, going

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down to Phenomenology, but I have to say it exceeded

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my expectations. I had such a good time. I mean,

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the entire day was filled. There was a whole itinerary.

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There were speakers we had. We had speakers like Travis Walton,

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who was the abductee you know from the movie and

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the Fire in the Sky that was portrayed about him.

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We had you know, John Zaffis was there, Rosemary Ellen

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Guiley who spoke about the gin it was. That was fascinating.

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I really really enjoyed that and you know, other guests

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we had, you know, Chris Fleming there, you know from

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Dead Famous and Chip Coffee.

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Speaker 2: All great people.

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Speaker 1: I mean actually a couple of those people were trying

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to get on the show for future shows. So keep

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your fingers crossed now, you know. We also I also

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heard that you know, the Kling Brothers were there from

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the former Ghost Lab show and Dave Schrader from Darkness Radio.

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Speaker 7: And Scared We were there Scared Guests.

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Speaker 1: Carrie was there representing Scared with.

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Speaker 7: The Whole and one of the other guests that was

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there was Tony Pickman. He was there with his family.

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And Tony Pickman is actually known for the Sally House.

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He's the gentleman that was scratched by the spirits there

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and that's been portrayed on many of the TV shows now.

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Speaker 1: Just so for people who are not aware of this event,

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this was the third annual event Phenomenology. They call it

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Phenomenology one to three now. This event is thrown every

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year in Gettysburg by Dana and Chris Wingert from NEPI,

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which is a local paranormal.

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Speaker 2: Investigation group just like ours.

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Speaker 1: They were able to put this event together three years

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ago and started inviting a lot of the different Paris celebrities,

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and before they knew it, it snowballed into this wonderful

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several day long conference where the public can come in

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and meet with all the different celebrities and talk about

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their experience and actually go on some real ghost hunts,

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which I guess you guys had said your own little

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experiences while you were there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Scared actually was posted at the Jenny Wade House and

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we were with the Constantinos and I was fortunate enough

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to be able to work with them, and we'll be

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talking about some of the EVPs that we caught there.

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Speaker 7: Other places that they were able to investigate was the

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General Lee, the Tilly House, and.

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Speaker 6: The farmhouse and the farmhouse and the big hotel. Yeah,

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at the Eisenhower.

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Speaker 2: I love Gettysburg and it's such a historic town.

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Speaker 1: Actually I heard that the scariest event over the weekend

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Speaker 6: That was fantastic.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you that it was pretty amazing. The

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Kling Brothers they can sing that, Johnny Cash like nobody's business.

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Speaker 5: Were in Patrick Burns and Patrick Marley Gibson.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was great.

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Speaker 1: They were our guests a few weeks ago, and you

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guys finally got the chance.

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Speaker 5: It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure to spend

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Speaker 6: There really was.

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Speaker 5: There's so much fun, so personable, so approachable.

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Speaker 2: Well that's great.

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Speaker 1: Now we actually have some people who were at the

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phenomenally phenomenal I can't even talk tonight homenology event here

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with us tonight as our guests. That would be Mark

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and Debbie Constantino. They are very famous EVP specialists EVP

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standing for Electronic Voice phenomenon. That's where we in our field,

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we use digital audio recorders and different types of recording

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equipment and we capture disembodied voices and sounds that we

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did not hear at the time, but wind up on

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our recorders and appears to be some type of spirit communication. Well,

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Mark and Debbie have specialized in that for years. They've

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appeared on numerous television shows such as Ghost Adventures and

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Dead Famous, and they're here with us tonight to talk

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about their experiences in Gettysburg. So, Mark and Debbie, how

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are you doing tonight?

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Speaker 8: John Wall It was kind of a little hectic, mercurious

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of retrograd tonight. But other than that, I'm doing pretty good. Now.

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Speaker 1: You folks were just out in Gettysburg for Phenomenology one three,

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and we were talking early about all the different guests

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that were out there, and uh, it sounded like everybody

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had a pretty wild time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It's it's always really cool out there.

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uh we got some good results with the investigations that

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I mean it's amazing. Dana has so many

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speakers out there, and we got to meet so many

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people like Steve li the Chance, the Pickman's, Debora and

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get to really meet on the West Coast, and it

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was really awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, you you did a few investigations while you were there.

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Tell us what happened in the Farnsworth House.

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this round. We did it in Phenomenology one h two,

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and actually we had stayed there, I believe after Phenomenology

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one on one, and we stayed a few extra days.

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the top three since you know, We've been doing this

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since two thousand and five, been kind of traveling all

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over the place. The Farnsworth and Gettysburg has to be

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on my top three. We had rented it with another

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two other people stayed in the Sarah Black room. No,

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Sarah Black, so we had two rooms adjacent to one another.

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to let yourself in, a key to let yourself out.

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hear what I considered to be residual only because there's

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a Grandfather clock in there, and it would go off,

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you know, on the hour, every hour, and it was

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really loud and it was resonant. It through you, and

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we would hear a heavy booted footsteps, I mean so heavy.

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feel a lot I'm going to be shot, and the

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person I was with, you know, she was also sensitive,

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felt the same reaction. It was almost like you know

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the movie Last House on the Left. It was almost

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like hiding yourself in a room and knowing you're going

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to be killed. That's that's what I saw. But you

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window that overlooks the street. You know, the people in

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the next room were actually filming. They caught what they

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think is residual bullets. I'm laying in bed and I'm seen,

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you know, like sprites, but they're shooting across the ceiling.

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my friend Mike just like, well, hey, you know, we

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got what we think is residual bullets. They're in the

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next room, you know. And I don't get scared. You know,

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there's three locations that I get scared at, and you know,

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the Farnsworth is one. We hear this guy walking and

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Speaker 7: Right where the little boy actually passed away. Debbie and

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talking about. That that the bathroom in that room. Yeah,

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it was the boy's.

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but there's a door right there at the foot of

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the stairs, you could hear and I mean clearly, and

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us heard it. Loud, heavy booted footsteps that it's almost

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like a soldier, you know, like stopping at every door,

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and you get the feeling they're opening the door, opening

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fire and moving on. And it was so heavy, and

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even Mark remarked, I think you were the first one

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to hear it. You hear the metals as he walked,

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whatever metals he had on chinging. What else did we get?

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the clock, and we were trying to kind of time

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it because you know, we wanted to videotape, but we

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had the camera set up there and we're like, God,

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this is happening like every so often, and you know,

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we did catch some things on video, but you know,

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video is another deal. It's we have over one hundred tapes.

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Speaker 4: That we still you know, looked through.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, go figure, But I mean it is just such

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an awesome place. And then at one point we were

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downstairs in front of the restaurant and the restaurant door

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is locked. You can't get in there, but the front

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front door, and then we have the cellar door ajar,

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Speaker 4: I look up.

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Speaker 8: I gasped. The girl I'm with gasps and I say,

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and I'm like, I did too. The weird thing is

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I didn't see a soldier. She saw a soldier at

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the base of the stairs coming from the cellar. I

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saw them one at the front door. And you know,

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it was kind of like the only way I can

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explain it if anybody sees it's kind of like it was.

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It was kind of glimpsy to where I could see

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the hat. It was kind of milky. I could see

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the arm drawn. I could see it pointed toward me

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as though they saw me. A lot of times you

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see stuff and it's kind of like they go about

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their business and they don't see you. We were close enough,

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maybe six feet away. This person saw me and the

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really weird thing. And I'm gonna, you know, go out

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there and say this. The hat at war was not

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a Confederate hat was in the Union hat. It was like,

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you know, remember g I Joe when you're a little kid,

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and it's got that kind of hat that's kind of

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molded and pulled down over there. That is the kind

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of hat it hat. So I don't know what that

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means or whatever I can tell you is what how

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was it clear? It was milky, But I know what

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I saw. I could see the arm draw, and I

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just saw see like what looked like a sniper kind

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of a gun pointed right at me. Yeah, maybe a rifle.

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I don't know about guns, but and so yeah, but

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she gasped the same time I did, and I'm like,

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did you see it? And she's like the soldier and said,

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oh my god, you saw it too, And I'm like,

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where did you see it? She's like at the base

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of the cellar, and mine was not there. Mine was

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right outside the front door, as though you'd be coming

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in the front door going into the restaurant or wow,

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I'm telling you. A gun drawn and whatever it was

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it saw me.

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Speaker 1: Did it react to you?

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Speaker 2: Oh, pointed the gunn you don't take gud.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know it's you know, I'm not a soldier,

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but it's the elbow was kind of drawn up and

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the rifle was helid, and it looked to me like

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it was pointing at me. And at that point I

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had to leave, you know, I got to where I

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couldn't breathe and I just left.

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Speaker 1: You had outside, sure, yeah, I think I would have

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hit the Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god.

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Speaker 8: You know, but we didn't talk until like a half

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hour later. I'm thinking she saw exactly what I saw

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until like a half hour after we you know, calmed

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down and everything, and she's like, no, no, no, I didn't

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see that. I saw it over here. So and we

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did hear noises coming up from the basement as well,

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So you know, I don't know, but we, you know,

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all four of us totally full bone through the footsteps

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outside the side black room, outside the bathroom, and it

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sat like it moved towards the swinging room and it

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was almost like it stopped at the door to do

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a door check or whatever, and it moved on. But

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you know, I don't get afraid. I've been afraid there.

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I've been afraid of the myrtles, and I've been afraid

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of Wavefully and you know, other than that, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Now, this year in Phenomenology, you investigated the Jenny Waite House,

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and I heard you had some interesting experiences there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we did. We ended up on second floor and

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we were there for the whole night and the groups

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were revolving you know floors, and we got some really

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cool stuff. We got. We got, uh, well, what kind

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of might be a soldier? I don't know, I mean

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say he was a soldier, But we got an e

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VP that said I'm paralyzed, which kind of would maybe fit.

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And then we got, uh, we got an e VP

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that said I hate Debbie, which we get quite often.

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Speaker 1: Well, we get out, Debbie, what are you doing to

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these poor spirits?

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Speaker 8: No, I don't I know, provoke that down to anything.

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You know, you know, you know, I'm not like a

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good ee tis shoes but it might be spirits that

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know I'm trying to help other spirits that are kind

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of who knows what they do on that side, you

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know what I mean. So it could be spirits that

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don't like me helping other spirits. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: And when that actually, when that EVP was captured, I

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sent DeBie a picture.

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Speaker 6: I have a picture.

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Speaker 7: Of her hands are actually have a white miss around them,

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and the myst goes back and forth between her and

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That EVP session that we did was pretty dark. We

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were getting I hate Debbie, get out Debbie, and I

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was really starting to feel for her. I was like,

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are you okay? It was pretty dark.

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Speaker 1: Well, just to also clarify for our listeners that Carrie,

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you were with Mark and Debbie at the Jenny Waite

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house while they were doing the investigation.

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Speaker 7: Yes, actually it was two houses together. And what they

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did is when they had to bring Jenny Wade down

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into the basement, I believe they knocked that wall down

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and Debbie sat on one side of that wall, which

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is in one house. Mark said on the other, and

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then I sat right across from Mark. We were asking

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such questions like about the babies and some of the

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EVPs we call were like, bring the baby over.

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Speaker 8: Which would make total sense because supposedly don't quote me.

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But they brought Jenny said body, her sister, the baby,

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and two soldiers between the walls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they knocked out the brick. They knocked out a

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hole in the brick separating the two houses. And I

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think at that point Jenny was still alive. I think

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she died in the basement.

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Speaker 8: Well, the thing of it is, it's almost like a

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sinking ship, about who are you going to let, you know,

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survive first whomen and children. Supposedly you know, so to

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say bring the baby over to me? What made perfect sense,

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And just.

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Speaker 1: So our listeners understand, for who don't people who don't

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understand the history of the Jenny Wade house. Jenny Wade

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was the only civilian in Gettysburg that was killed during

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the battle. Her family was hiding in the basement and

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she came up in the morning to try to make

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some breakfast and a stray bullet from a sharpshooter that

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they presumed to be from the Farnsworth house struck and

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killed her. Actually it wounded her, and I think they

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dragged her downstairs and she died but she's the only

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civilian casualty in that.

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Speaker 4: Battle, right right, Yeah, And they were saying that she

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is only one of two females that have an American

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flag flying over her grave twenty four hours a day,

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and the other female is Betsy Ross in the whole country.

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Speaker 8: Yeah wow.

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Speaker 6: And you can still see the bullet hole through the door.

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Speaker 5: It went right to the door and hit Jenny doors.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I don't know Kerry if you're remember too,

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but we also had what's you know, I wasn't in

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that room. You and Mark were in that room, but

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it kind of sound like a ball moved or a

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lamp moved.

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Speaker 6: It was the piece of pot yeah, under I heard.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well they said that was happening on the second floor,

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but we were all sitting still and it coclanged and

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it sounded just like a ball moving.

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Speaker 4: It was the ball because I walked over at one point,

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I walked over to check my camcorder and there's a

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spot in the floor where when you step on it,

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that ball rattles, And that was exact same sound that

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we heard. But the only difference was nobody was moving

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a finger.

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Speaker 7: No, We all were sitting huddled all together so we

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could listen to the eating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it just.

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Speaker 7: Sounded like And we also remember we also had heard

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the cabinet door open and close.

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Speaker 6: It sounded like the cabinet run.

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Speaker 8: You're right, and it was like a definite sound. I

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have pictures of that too, I need to send you,

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but there's nothing paranormal in them. But yeah, and that

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was one of the stories told to us by the

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tour guide in the beginning. He said, you know, the

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door will open. You know, we have people in there.

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The one door open seasily, the other one doesn't. No

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doors were open. We had a person sitting right there,

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but we heard the sound of the door open. And

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I totally get that though, because we're in our house

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and the one thing that happens here all the time

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you hear doors open and close. They don't actually open

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and close, but you hear the sound of that. You

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can hear the knob, you can hear everything. So I

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don't know how they do that or why, or residual

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or not, but you know, I know for a fact

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it happens. It happens to us all the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we get we really, you know, when you think

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about it, you know everything happens so fast. At conferences though,

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you're always being pulled in a million different directions. But

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you know, since you know, we've been home for what

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a week or whatever, it's been, not even I think

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three days, it doesn't feel like a whole week. To man,

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it's like it's like now that you have a little

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chance to look back, you know that that second floor

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on a Jenu eight house was really really active, considering

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the amount of considering the amount of people that were

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in that little little house, I mean there was there

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was like easily twenty of us separated on different floors.

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Speaker 7: You always it was really active.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, I think too though. Not only was

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it active, but you know, you're in a tiny little house,

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in a tiny little floor with people beneath you, and

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then you have people in the stallar so of course

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you you know, wherever you go, I don't care where

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it is. You didn't have the chance of contamination. But

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you know, everybody was being so good, and we knew

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the floor squeaked. It was one of the squeakiest floors

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I've ever been to. But everybody was so cool and

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so tight, and then you could start really hearing. I

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mean you know we have EVP that said, uh, what

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did they say? We want more people?

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Speaker 7: But that was a direct response to Mark's question, marks like,

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how do you feel about having all these people come

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in and out of here?

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Speaker 8: And yeah, and that leads me to believe. You know,

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it's something we've gone at more than one time. And

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it's almost like if they're draining their batteries. You know,

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we are EMF. We're living, but we're EMF. They're enough.

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They are draining us and we are their energy, you know.

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And the later in the night it got, I think

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the more stuff we started to get. I'm a firm

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believer between one and three morning is when you get

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your best stuff. I think we stopped it too. But

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to have everything against you, the squeaky floors, the amount

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of people, it was very light, we had light coming

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in from the outside. We had no blinds, we couldn't

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close it off. But with all these things against you,

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to get so much stuff, I think is remarkable. And

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you know, I think that place was totally live and

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we had a great kraft.

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Speaker 7: I think Mark also asked something about baking in the

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kitchen or something, and it said something like we like

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having the women.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we or we need the women or something.

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Speaker 2: Well don't we all?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh yeah, that was I do remember that now

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that you mentioned it. We got a lot of good stuff.

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Speaker 8: Yeahs creepy. I wonder if they needs feminine energy or something.

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Speaker 4: No, I just think they just needed they just needed

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to use to clean the house.

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Speaker 5: And oh boy, well, especially if you're dealing with soldiers

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who maybe in the.

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Speaker 1: Area that they're campaigning and they don't get to see

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very many women.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Well, talking about the soldiers, I recall another really great

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EVP was he's the one we killed?

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Speaker 6: Do recall that one?

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Speaker 4: I do remember that.

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Speaker 8: I don't remember a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do remember that. And we were asking, yeah,

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we were asking about I think we were talking about

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a soldier.

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Speaker 7: You were asking about the soldiers, the soldiers because there

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was two soldiers, soldiers in the picture downstairs, remember talking

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about the picture and they were posted and you were

476
00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:27,759
talking about them.

477
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was really uh, it was

478
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,319
a really good night, really really good night.

479
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,559
Speaker 8: M Yeah. I can't imagine what it would be like

480
00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:39,799
in a pitch dark I mean, you know, later in

481
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,039
the night. If it was that good that early and

482
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,839
that bright, I can't imagine what it could be.

483
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we got and then we got the one. Uh.

484
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,200
I think what it is is that I don't know

485
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,480
what the blue laws or whatever, but there's I guess

486
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,960
like certain places where you could buy like liquor, and

487
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,839
and we were talking about wine or something like that.

488
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,279
Speaker 8: Said, does anybody know what's open now? Because you know,

489
00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:06,960
I would like to buy wine or I guess there's

490
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,640
a blue law in Pennsylvania and you're kind of right

491
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,079
on the borderline of Baltimore, so you know, you cross

492
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,119
the line and you can get your booth And would

493
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,000
you remember what they said?

494
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,799
Speaker 4: I think, I know, I think I think I was

495
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,400
asking something about, hey, do you guys know where the

496
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,640
closest place is where we could get some wine? Exactly liquor,

497
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,279
And we got an EVP and it said we don't drink.

498
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,599
I don't drink Okay, I wait, I had I mean,

499
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,599
and it was pretty clear.

500
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,839
Speaker 6: It was very clear. I mean, you know, they were

501
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,480
very it was.

502
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 7: It was definitely not residual because oh no, remember we

503
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,279
had the boy, the gentleman. He was sitting in the

504
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,119
corner and he had the IR camera and he wanted

505
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,799
to do it demonstration, and he lifted his hand up

506
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,839
into the air and he said, how many fingers am

507
00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,160
I holding? And the voice that came back was what

508
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:01,599
was what's in your other hand?

509
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 4: Check the other hand?

510
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:08,319
Speaker 8: Oh? I remember that we haven't even loaded this show.

511
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,759
We've just been like three days.

512
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, you're right, you remember. Yeah, you remember more

513
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,480
of them than we do.

514
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I mean that's a perfect example. You know,

515
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,160
do something symbolic and see if they see it.

516
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, see, for me as a paranormal investigator, EVP is,

517
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,519
without a doubt, one of the most impressive pieces of

518
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,880
evidence that we can get, because whenever you get a

519
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,119
photograph or a video, there's always a measure of doubt

520
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,119
that you're getting.

521
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: A reflection or dust or or whatever.

522
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: But when you catch a recording that intelligently responds to

523
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,839
a question, I mean, there's just no other explanation for it.

524
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,200
You're not picking up radio waves or you know, somebody

525
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,039
down the street. You know, you these examples that you've

526
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,599
mentioned so far tonight clearly indicate an intelligent response.

527
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,599
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, and you know, to take the step further

528
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,079
than that, you know, you know, now we're getting responses

529
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:10,920
to questions before we even ask the question. So I

530
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,279
mean that lends itself to me to be which I

531
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,960
always believed, at least on the most part, they're telepathic,

532
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,400
you know, So they've already they were a higher vibration

533
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,960
worth its dense body. They've already caught the question before

534
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,640
we even formulated. They're already answering it before we ask it.

535
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,119
But we've gotten such really, like, you know, we were

536
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,200
in our bedroom. When did we get the one with counting?

537
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:33,839
Do you remember?

538
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 4: Oh? Debbie asked? I think you asked.

539
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 8: And how well? They say counting? Wait, and then you

540
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:44,599
hear me say how many are here?

541
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 4: Right? Debbie asks who is here with me? And they

542
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,119
say counting? And then Debbie says how many of you

543
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,079
were here with me? So they answered her second question

544
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,400
even before she asked it.

545
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 8: Right. But I'm seeing such a spike in this, you know,

546
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,000
And it's like anything else we no longer record at home,

547
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,440
but you know, when you keep that portal open and

548
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,799
you record all the time, the chances of that happening

549
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,200
or I would say maybe for us, maybe seventy eighty

550
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:15,440
percent that will get them to respond before we ask.

551
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,799
Speaker 7: You know, I see you guys on the shows and

552
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,480
they just show the bits and pieces, but working with

553
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:25,279
you in person was amazing. And when you guys play

554
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,599
that back, there's just so many voices going on in

555
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,440
the background. I was just in awe because I could

556
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,640
listen to my recorder and there's dead silence and all you.

557
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,319
Speaker 6: Hear is myself. Yeah.

558
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,519
Speaker 8: Well, you know the thing too is, you know, a

559
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,799
lot of it. You don't want to jade either, because

560
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:42,599
a lot of it is loss. That's mostly what you get.

561
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,240
And it's kind of like you know that famous picture

562
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,799
of the lady brush her hair in the mirror and

563
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:49,599
you see a lady in the mirror, or you can

564
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,920
look at it and see us call exactly. But I

565
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000
think the thing of it is, you know, you know

566
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,039
it's EVP because you do hear that one word. Then

567
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,599
you know, we adjust our sound levels and stuff until

568
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,960
almost to words easiest for them or what are they

569
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,279
coming in clear at all? Right, Let's adjust and make

570
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:07,720
them as comfortable as we can. But I mean, I

571
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,400
think near the ends of the night, what I love

572
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:13,319
is to get tangible voices because I'm not out there

573
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:16,119
to you know, put out static or jade anybody your mouth.

574
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 7: These were clear people were hearing them across the room,

575
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:19,160
the ones.

576
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 8: Sometimes it's clearer across the room because it's like the

577
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,039
sound travels thing. And sometimes I even have to hold

578
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,960
a recorder away from my ear, but once you hear it,

579
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,880
not to jade anybody, but you know, there is a

580
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,519
tangible voice that goes with it. And if for every

581
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:35,720
group we could do that one time, I'm good.

582
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, yeah, I did want to ask about

583
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,119
the levels, because you know, I do EVPs, but you

584
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,440
guys kept adjusting levels and you were going two and

585
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:45,680
four and three and five.

586
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,119
Speaker 6: What exactly is that?

587
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,559
Speaker 7: Is that the recording volume level or your listening level?

588
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,799
Speaker 4: No, it's it's the sensitivity level.

589
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,839
Speaker 8: And it depends whatever recording you're working with too. You

590
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,000
got to see what gadgets that one has on it.

591
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:03,640
But I trying to play with everything until at whatever scale.

592
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,839
San has a scale of one to ten, I'll start

593
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,079
at one. I like him to start at ten, and

594
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,160
we'll kind of just keep playing with it until all right,

595
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,960
that was good? All right, you keep your one on

596
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,039
that one? And now what was that say that was for? Okay,

597
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,000
I'm of this to three. This time you stay up

598
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,400
for I'll move to you know five this time you

599
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,599
stay up for and then we just try to get

600
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,119
a thing to work. We're actually hearing a tangible voice.

601
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and see when when we do that, I like

602
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,519
to we use voice activation because of the volume of

603
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,799
recordings we do. You know, if we didn't use voice activation, right,

604
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,000
there would be no way that we could even come

605
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,359
close to keeping up. Not that we do now, but

606
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,240
at least kind of you know, you see the light

607
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,119
at the end of the title. We know, okay, we've

608
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,960
got to do you know, we got to put Gettysburg

609
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:52,799
in and then we have to you know.

610
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,799
Speaker 8: Going back from an event, we have six hours alone,

611
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,279
not to even count.

612
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: Right, So when we kind of mess with the sensitivity levels,

613
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,799
what I'm looking for on my recorder is I want

614
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:11,279
the sensitivity level high enough to where it's basically just

615
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,519
teetering on the brink of just recording all the time.

616
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,960
In my mind, it makes it that much easier for

617
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,559
them to kick on the voice activation and come through.

618
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,279
I don't want I don't want my sensitivity level set

619
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:31,519
at one. I want it set at about four most

620
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:32,079
of the time.

621
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,839
Speaker 8: I see this is where we differ too. I like

622
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:41,119
to play with it so that's our good wream.

623
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 7: You know, I did ask you, Mark, and I was

624
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,279
curious to I don't think we ever got to finish

625
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,200
it because the other group came in when I had

626
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,279
asked you. It's just so odd that you and Debbie

627
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,000
don't get the same recordings on the same recorders.

628
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,759
Speaker 6: And I wanted was.

629
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,279
Speaker 7: What was your theory on why you would get it

630
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:02,519
and why Debbies would not.

631
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:07,759
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's the that's the basic theory behind

632
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,440
EVP and how EVP comes about, and that's that they

633
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,279
are working with the internal noise of the recorder and

634
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:20,200
they transform that internal noise, or of course you can

635
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:25,000
use external external noise. When we started recording, we used

636
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,599
to hold our recorders up to our sailing fan. I'm

637
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:28,839
standing under it right now.

638
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 8: Or I would drain the bathtub and just the sound

639
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,240
of the water going down would give them enough to

640
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,039
shoot out a word or sentence. Right.

641
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: But that's the theory behind EVP is they need they

642
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,440
need some kind of audio energy to transform or manipulate.

643
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,839
I don't like to use that word into their message.

644
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,920
And if that is true, then that makes total sense.

645
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,799
Why we've had recordings where we've asked the question on

646
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,640
my recorder says yes, and on Debbie's he says.

647
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,279
Speaker 8: No, Yeah, what about on copt distance away? Usually literally,

648
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,599
we don't like to stay more than five feet away.

649
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 5: Okay, hey, can I ask you a question? What kind

650
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,680
of a recorder do you guys use? I mean I

651
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,079
use an Olympus DS forty but Carrie and said that

652
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,119
yours look square shaped or you know what.

653
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,039
Speaker 8: We use all different kinds. We like the Panasonic because

654
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:21,799
you have the rewind feature, and you know, we invest

655
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000
invested a bunch of those years ago, so we use

656
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,599
that on investigations, but we use all kinds. We use

657
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,680
the Sony ic D B twenty six awesome recorder. You know,

658
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,720
we use the sixteen, the Sony seventeen. You know, I

659
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,079
saw somebody else with another Sony I never saw, but

660
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,240
it looked just like my Sony. So I'm like, please

661
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,359
let me know what you get with that. The Olympus

662
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,240
forty one hundred.

663
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: We use all kinds.

664
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 8: The thing I like, we just got had a good deal,

665
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:56,000
and I like the reline feature. The Panasonic. There's once

666
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,960
on eBay for like three three fifty. No, don't do that,

667
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,039
And we're working with a real time too, and that

668
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,200
we did when when did we do it? Like, I

669
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,519
don't remember now, Saturday night or something? But else No, no,

670
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:13,480
but I had I experienced it and I listened back

671
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,920
to and that's an awesome recorder. And we're trying to

672
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,679
do some work with Gary Galka too, who makes these

673
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,639
amazing products. And you know, I'm hoping to be able

674
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,119
to start doing that at home because, as I said,

675
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,920
we stopped recording at home things just got out of hand.

676
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,559
But to be able to listen while I'm here, you know,

677
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,119
that would be awesome because it kind of like it's

678
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,559
like being an artist unable to paint. You know. I

679
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:41,719
don't want to record. I don't want to jeopardize, you know,

680
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,400
my pets and my children. But I know there's stuff

681
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,400
going on here and to hear, you know, maybe I'll

682
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440
pushed the envelope. I think that's I'm kind of jones

683
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,559
in here. I need to talk to them.

684
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:57,119
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, is that what caused you to get into

685
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,159
recording EVP because of activity in your home or was

686
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,519
it the other way around? You started recording EVP and

687
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:03,840
things started happening at all.

688
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,039
Speaker 8: Well, I you know, I was born, I was born

689
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,840
into an only child on a cemetery. Parents denied it.

690
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,480
You know, I've had activity in my whole life, every house,

691
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:18,639
every apartment, you know. If and I'm not trying to say, hey,

692
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,039
you know I'm all that, but you know I'm aware

693
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,519
of them, they're aware of me. And not only that,

694
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,480
but you know, you know they're not They've done a

695
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,519
lot more for me than living people. So like, I'm

696
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:31,760
nice to them, So what does that tell you? Where

697
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,880
are they going to want to go next door? If

698
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,119
I'm putting out a day dead spreads them, you know

699
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,679
what I mean? So you know, it's not only being

700
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,039
aware of them, but I think treating them right too

701
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:44,760
and with respect, and I do think I do that.

702
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,360
So you know, I've just been in it my whole life,

703
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,400
and I think that this is really my calling in

704
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,039
this life.

705
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 6: Well, you guys are are awesome at it.

706
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 8: Oh, well you rock.

707
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,039
Speaker 1: Now when did you start first getting involved with the

708
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:04,519
television shows? How did that come about? Because that really

709
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:07,519
is what propelled you into the U the spotlight in

710
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,599
working with a lot of groups like the Ghost Adventure guys, which,

711
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,679
by the way, I have to say that's my hands

712
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,639
down favorite Guilty Pleasure.

713
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,679
Speaker 8: Show agreed, Oh man, you're rock. They are. They are

714
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,159
the best, the best they have.

715
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: They have something that none of the other shows have.

716
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,159
They have character and personality.

717
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 8: They you know, not only that they're they're totally psychic

718
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,480
and their channels and everything else. You know, not only

719
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:39,239
are they hot sexy and you noticed or not, but

720
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,599
they're like, you know, they've got it going on. They've

721
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,199
got they are you know how I said, like they

722
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,159
drain your batteries. They are batteries.

723
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're so energetic.

724
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: They Nick and Nick and Zach are.

725
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,599
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron seems to have the good sense of

726
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:56,840
say no, I ain't doing that.

727
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,519
Speaker 8: Well yeah, you know, but you know he's kind of

728
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,519
we're all pulled into the cauldron too, you know, so

729
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,039
to speak. We're almost seem to doue and when you

730
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:08,559
start it, you know, you just get caught up. You're

731
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:10,280
in the same building. They're going to move on to

732
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,840
different people. So he can say what he wants to,

733
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,400
but there's still he has just as much chance to

734
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,519
be followed home as we do.

735
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: They do well to hear him tell it. He was

736
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,679
followed homie.

737
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,559
Speaker 1: He actually told that story after the second Bobby Mackey

738
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,039
episode how followed him home.

739
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 8: And it ruined And I know, you know, we have

740
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,000
the pleasure of meeting his ex wife too.

741
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:29,639
Speaker 4: His wife hurt.

742
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 8: Some inside stories too.

743
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: No, the energy, the energies are the three guys on

744
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,360
that show just balance out perfectly. And I think that's

745
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,239
why they get the evidence that they get. But as

746
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,760
far as the television shows and stuff, I mean, that

747
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,360
was not that was not something that we ever ever

748
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:50,760
ever aspired to.

749
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 8: I mean, it's not like you auditioned for anything like this.

750
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,159
We just, I don't know, kind of we were out

751
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,480
there the documentary came out. We did made a local

752
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:04,880
news special right after the documentary because you know, I

753
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,039
don't provoke. And you know, I see this guy in

754
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:12,119
a tub in what do you call it, in his

755
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:16,360
silver creating slit in his wrists and you killed yourself

756
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,400
and I'm like, this is appalling. Who are these people?

757
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:20,320
And I'm like, we're going to We're going to the

758
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,760
Goldfield And then I see the brick fly and I'm like,

759
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,280
that's bullshit. Let me put all let me go to

760
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,960
the gold Field. You know, let me disclaim these people

761
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,280
we had never met them. And then you know, I

762
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,039
had never seen activity like that. I've heard of it,

763
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:36,840
you know, I've seen ramifications from that. I've had things

764
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,400
supported doppled, never in front of my face, just always

765
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,119
you turn around, it's moved, and I'm like, yeah, you know,

766
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,880
and then you have the provoking thing. So we go

767
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,039
there and you know, it's at the end of the

768
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,400
night and KTV and Bill Brown has the camera on

769
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,000
the adult times. It's getting near three. We're all tired,

770
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,599
and I said, you know, there's people out there saying,

771
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,280
did you guys move this? And like they were proud.

772
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,079
It was clearer than my voice and they never threw

773
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:06,280
the camera off me. They say thank you, but we've

774
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,400
done it. And I think what's most you know, uh

775
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360
invoking about the whole thing is that they say we've

776
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,239
done it. So whatever back in the years, we've all

777
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,559
done stupid things when we were kids, and don't say

778
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:20,559
you didn't, because we all did. We're not the same people.

779
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,679
And like you know, you know, say they provoked or whatever,

780
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,920
you know they were, whatever they did got to go

781
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:33,400
so aggravated or whatever is coming through Damion's ghost spirits,

782
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,920
I don't know, but we got the voice saying thank you,

783
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,400
But we've done it. So they provoked something so much

784
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,440
that in my mind, they all focused together on that

785
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:45,800
brick and made that brick fly.

786
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,679
Speaker 4: It was unbelievable. I mean, we ended up meeting meeting

787
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,400
the guys, I don't know, maybe seven months after that

788
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:57,079
or yeah.

789
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:59,519
Speaker 8: Just happened to be. Well, they're in Vegas where arinos

790
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,880
so you know ago, Yeah, and then they did a

791
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,360
conference in Virginia City and.

792
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,159
Speaker 4: We were part of that, the first conference.

793
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:10,159
Speaker 8: And you can't meet them without saying, these guys are awesome. Yeah,

794
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,920
you know, and I'm not trying to kiss butt or anything.

795
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,760
They are just some of the best soles on the planet.

796
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,039
And I just say that true.

797
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 6: I actually just saw that episode.

798
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 7: I don't know, it was a few months ago where

799
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,679
you guys all went back there.

800
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:24,639
Speaker 6: It was a pretty active night that night as well.

801
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,199
Speaker 4: That was crazy. I mean, there ended up being so

802
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,920
much evidence that didn't end up making it into the

803
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,800
episode even after effect, because I think they wanted to push,

804
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,639
you know, they wanted to put a big focus on

805
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,079
the fact that the gold field. We were not going

806
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,480
there to investigate the gold field, and that is the

807
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,360
gods on this tree.

808
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 8: That is not a lie. We were all right, no,

809
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,280
I'm bit excited here.

810
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: We we we didn't find out till last second. They didn't, Yeah,

811
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,239
that the plans had changed, and we were getting into

812
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,840
the Goldfield when we left our house to drive down there.

813
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,440
We were going down to investigate the two other places.

814
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,400
I mean, and they wanted to emphasize that fact and yeah,

815
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,679
and that's not well the truth.

816
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, they show that.

817
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,079
Speaker 7: In the episode, and it was funny how they were

818
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,800
waiting for the for the man to come out of

819
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,280
the building.

820
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you have to realize that if you go

821
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,360
to the town of Goldfield and this is no why,

822
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,840
I mean, it's like area fifty one. As a matter

823
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,480
of fact, it's like three hours from there. So there

824
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,280
is maybe, like I don't know, twelve act of people

825
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,519
I see in the entire town anytime I go there

826
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:40,079
on a given day. So to have read the owner

827
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:44,480
there at that time, it was almost like, oh my god.

828
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,280
And it was not stage and I will take back

829
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,280
to the grave. I mean, it just so happened. He

830
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,960
was right there.

831
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 4: Everything. I love that.

832
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 8: It's like, are you locked in? Yeah, you're locked in.

833
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,000
There's a lot. I'm like, well, you know, I'm the

834
00:41:58,039 --> 00:41:59,679
only girl here, so what do I do?

835
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 4: But you love that?

836
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you're talking overnights, like is there a private.

837
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 8: Well yeah, but you know, the gold feels like totally

838
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,159
you know, if you're a guying it's one thing, but.

839
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:19,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but it's just awesome.

840
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 8: And then tacking else happened there. I mean there was

841
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,039
one point, oh the next day when we come back,

842
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,320
and I mean we were just so drained, like it's

843
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,840
almost like you know, you're somebody throw a wet blanket

844
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,639
over you, and I'm like, oh my god. And we're

845
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,920
driving home and like nobody's talking to one another, and

846
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,920
it was just like we were all so drained, every

847
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,800
one of us. And you know, there's this tractor trailer

848
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,119
ahead of us, and you're in the middle of the desert,

849
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,719
and so we're fallowing the sky to get to our hotel,

850
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,079
and you know, you see he's kind of like falling

851
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,320
asleep on the road, and it's kind of like almost

852
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,559
like a Twilight Zone moment. You're like, oh my god,

853
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,840
I'm thinking a flip what should we do? Should we

854
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,760
stop him, should we pass them? Or And so we

855
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,360
only get home and then all of us.

856
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: Got sick.

857
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 8: Zach was sick. I was sick. I was so sick

858
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,960
I couldn't even you know, get up in the morning

859
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000
to have breakfast. And that is like the first and

860
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,960
only time I ever did that, like I had And

861
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,760
you know, the story is, I've talked to demonologists. If

862
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,840
you have like a little problem like I had, a

863
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,400
little a bit of an error problem, they will amplify

864
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,400
that any kind of gateway they have that you have,

865
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,639
any kind of illness.

866
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 6: Your weakness, they'll look for it.

867
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 8: Right the darkness, will you know, open that up and

868
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,519
thrive on it. And I do believe that's what happened,

869
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,159
but it was really weird. The next day, We're stopped

870
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,519
at a light around the gardener from my house and

871
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,559
I'm still all, you know, I feel like a bag

872
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,400
of potatoes. Somebody just shook out and where I like,

873
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,519
And I look over into the car next to me,

874
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,400
and in the back seats there's a baby in a

875
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,719
baby seat. And I look over the baby and I'm

876
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,119
like mark to look at the baby and then the babies.

877
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,280
You know, you hear the stories like and I'm not

878
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,679
sitting the baby as a demon or anything, but like,

879
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,480
you know, how they lock eyes with you, right, you

880
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:06,960
hear that this baby locks eyes and I'm looking at

881
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,960
it and it's looking at me, and I'm like, Mark,

882
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,440
look and you know how like if you're watching video

883
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,239
and you both look at it, you don't miss anything.

884
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:18,320
I'm like, this baby is not blinking his eyes. The

885
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,119
baby did not freaking.

886
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 4: Blink to the great so probably almost a minute. And

887
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,320
we were looking at I did not see that blink

888
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:27,639
at all.

889
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 8: And he was driving and I'm like, you look, and

890
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,480
then I look, and then all blink and then you blink.

891
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:36,239
And that baby was staring dead at me and that baby, Yeah,

892
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,199
I was staring at him, and maybe I got his attention,

893
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:40,320
but neither one of us saw that baby blink.

894
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:44,639
Speaker 4: Yeah. And another thing that wasn't really mentioned, which probably

895
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,480
wasn't going to be because it was after the episode,

896
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,079
after we left the Goldfield, but every one of us,

897
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,639
all five of us got really sick. I just said that,

898
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,559
I know, all five of us got really sick. We

899
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:05,000
drove home. I got home, We're like, and I was

900
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,239
I got so sick, just vomiting that I had to

901
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,320
call out sick the next day at work.

902
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 7: I meant a cold or you know, if you guys

903
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:15,320
didn't have a bad.

904
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,079
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was, but you know, my air infection blew

905
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:23,920
up and then I had to go to see a doctor,

906
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,639
which thankfully I already had an appointment for her. But

907
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,400
he's like, oh my god, you know you need antibiotics.

908
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,599
You know you need this, this and this, And I'm like,

909
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,000
what kind of doctor prescribed you all this stuff? You know?

910
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,000
And it was just like, you know, off the huk.

911
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,400
He's like, you walked around like that, and I'm like, well,

912
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,559
it wasn't that bad yesterday. It really did seem like,

913
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,320
you know, it just really erupted overnight there.

914
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,119
Speaker 6: Wow.

915
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

916
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: Now with when in Gettysburg, I heard that there was

917
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,280
another story that happened where you were doing an EVP

918
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,840
session around some haunted dolls.

919
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 7: Well, John took me for a little bit of a

920
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,119
trip to pick up these haunted dolls. And the story

921
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,159
behind these dolls, it's one hundred dolls with a hundred

922
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,000
different stories. This young lady collected these dolls from different

923
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,960
paranormal cases.

924
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 6: We really didn't know the history of them all.

925
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: And just to clarify that to John zappis.

926
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 7: Yes, that would be John's sapphis and I was ziggitting

927
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,400
apt as I'd like to call it, for four and

928
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,920
a half hours just driving around Virginia.

929
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,519
Speaker 6: And when we picked up these dolls. You know, I

930
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:35,119
trust John.

931
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 7: I don't think anything of the dolls. I'm handling them

932
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:37,840
and everything.

933
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 6: And before I.

934
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,519
Speaker 7: Had known, he talked to Mark and Debbie and wanted

935
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,000
to conduct a private EVP session of these dolls. So

936
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,360
he wanted to know if there was what kind of

937
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,119
energy was coming with these dolls. So when we get

938
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:56,519
back to the hotel, Christ and Danner data so bravely

939
00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:58,800
let us use their hotel room in one of their beds,

940
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,320
and we took out the dolls and we laid them

941
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,280
out on the beds, and Mark and Debby came in.

942
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:07,599
And I was not scared until I saw Mark and

943
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,960
Debbie walk in the room. And you tell them how

944
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,119
you acted, Debbie, because then I got nervous.

945
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 8: Well I don't really you know, I wasn't really paying

946
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,639
attention to how I acted. But I had never seen

947
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,559
so much energy laid out on one bed. And you know,

948
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,000
to be honest with you, John is like an idol

949
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,320
to me. I have never had I work with him

950
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,920
at a lot of events. We see each other we

951
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,320
smoked cigarettes, but we never had the opportunity to work together.

952
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:34,880
So you know, my adrenalines pump in, you know in

953
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,840
the back of my head. Maybe John's coming back with

954
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,159
the dolls. Finally he did. You guys were a little

955
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,400
bit late, and I go in there and these dolls.

956
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,199
He had so many. I've never seen so many dolls

957
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,760
in my life. We didn't even take There had to

958
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,679
be well over one hundred. You know, every doll to

959
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,079
me has a different personality, and I don't know if

960
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:58,760
it's a portal. I don't know. You know, Mark has

961
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,760
a really good theory. If you want to tell them

962
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,519
you're Alistair Crowley saying, Mark, you want.

963
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: Well, no, I that really doesn't have anything to do

964
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,480
with it. Well, but Alistair. I read a book on

965
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,159
Alistair Crowley and he believes that you know, when you die,

966
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,480
you move on, you know where you move on, and

967
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:23,440
what you leave behind is like a kin to a seashell.

968
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,559
You leave a seashell behind and it has all your

969
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:28,280
memory and all your.

970
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,559
Speaker 8: Your DNA, your full process.

971
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 4: Everything right. And then I guess what his theory was

972
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,519
is that you know, any sort of elemental can kind

973
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,159
of climb into that shell.

974
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 8: And portray themselves like a demon.

975
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: Right, not like a demon like any Well, you don't

976
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,320
know what you're dealing what's really but they can. They

977
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,800
can when you're communicating with them through whatever means. They

978
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,559
have the knowledge that that person, whoever shell it was,

979
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,159
has and they can portray themselves as that person because

980
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,719
they have that person memory there and everything.

981
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 8: And you've got to realize though, too, this is only

982
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:08,159
one theory, and this is only a theory. We're just saying, hey,

983
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,559
oh surreal, we have no freaking idea what we're dealing with. Yes, true,

984
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:15,960
And so you know, I went in there, and then

985
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,480
my thing is, you know, I used to meditate a lot,

986
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,800
and I used to you know, read and stuff like that.

987
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,360
And you know, we're all chakras, and we have seven

988
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,519
pulse points in our aura major ones, you know, to

989
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,679
where it's your seven major chakras. But you also have

990
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,159
them in the palm of your hands, you know, I'm

991
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:35,000
on the base of your feet. You have them everywhere,

992
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,239
and so you know, I just kind of went over

993
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,880
the bed with the dolls and it was really weird.

994
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,800
It was like almost and the only thing I could

995
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,599
equate it to is if you have a vowl of

996
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:48,000
razed Crispy's and you know how they pop with the milk, right,

997
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,599
if you were to put your hand really close to

998
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,280
that milk and you would feel that little little singe

999
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,719
of energy, you're a little pop.

1000
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:55,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1001
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:59,039
Speaker 7: You grab my hand, You're like feel this, yeah.

1002
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 8: And you didn't feel it. And it was like I

1003
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,480
was going right over the dolls with my hand. Some

1004
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,400
had it and some didn't. There were other dolls. There

1005
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,400
was another lady there.

1006
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 4: I am.

1007
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 8: I don't I'm really bad with names, but she was like,

1008
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,679
look at these, they're twins. And I was like, certain

1009
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,960
dolls either the eyes look really funky or the twin

1010
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:19,000
thing freaked me out. And you know, I don't know,

1011
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,360
but yeah, you know, if I don't feel comfortable, even

1012
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,360
if it's like a physical thing to where hey, you

1013
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,880
know the Stanley Twins, that's creepy or something, you know,

1014
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,000
I just if I'm not if I don't sit right

1015
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:34,119
with it, I just don't feel it, because you know,

1016
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,840
it's too easy to wear something negative. Could say, Hey,

1017
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,960
you didn't sit right with it, but you did it anyway,

1018
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,039
So I'm going to give you some more, you know.

1019
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,639
I don't know, it's like really weird. I'm just starting

1020
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,920
learning about the ball as a dark side, and you know,

1021
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,039
if it's creepy to me, I just move on to

1022
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,519
the next. But I did not like that doll in

1023
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,679
the box, and.

1024
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 7: That was her cherished one, that was her most cherished

1025
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,199
one was that dog.

1026
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 8: Well, I think I overhear that she started it all.

1027
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,800
So I didn't even want to go by her.

1028
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: And I wasn't in a hurry to go close to the.

1029
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 6: Bed because that's what I'm talking about.

1030
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,559
Speaker 4: Debbie and I well, Debbie and I record at are well,

1031
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,400
we used to record it in our home.

1032
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 8: I mean, I'll still take them on the porch and

1033
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,119
do it, you know, because I think there's some human

1034
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:18,559
spirits attached to the right.

1035
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,159
Speaker 4: But I mean we know that whether whether whatever's out

1036
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:27,639
there at times uses these dollars to communicate, like saying, hey,

1037
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:31,599
Mark and Debbie are talking to this doll, so let's talk.

1038
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,239
You know, we'll talk. And Noel think that we're attached

1039
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,719
to the doll. And I see it might be an opportunistic.

1040
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 8: Thing, but do you think anything It could be the doll,

1041
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
It could be the love of somebody poured into the doll, right,

1042
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,280
it could be anything. But you know, i've really you know,

1043
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,119
I think we've worked with some long enough to know

1044
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,559
there are certain dolls that had certain voices. You know,

1045
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,199
I asked that, you know, some of the activities stopped,

1046
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,239
Like there was one that would open and closed doors.

1047
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,320
I stood out here in the living room and I said,

1048
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,920
you know, I don't care what happens. You can't open

1049
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,719
and close the doors because I have animals here, they're

1050
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,320
inside animals. You can't do that and stay here. And

1051
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,199
it happened three days in a row with we have

1052
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:13,000
a by side refrigerator. And that was the story with

1053
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:15,960
the doll. So whether or not it's somebody playing to

1054
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,920
be the doll or whatever, we you know, I can't

1055
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,360
even get into that. I can't run my mind around that.

1056
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,159
But because door and the freezer side by side was open,

1057
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,840
wide open every morning for three days. My kids were teenagers.

1058
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:31,960
You know, they don't do that. We've lived here for

1059
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:36,000
you know, fifteen sixteen years. Never happened before, it never

1060
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,880
happened after. The activity did stop. But I would also

1061
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,079
see funky things that and I mean I'm not talking

1062
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,440
pull sledge trapp versions, but like glimpsy stuff to where

1063
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,679
it was. All this is really weird to say, but

1064
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,480
I can only explain it how it happened. The dolls

1065
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,840
are in the office and we keep them all there,

1066
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,320
and it's almost like a dog on a lead chain

1067
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,199
to where they can only walk around that circle, you know,

1068
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,320
they can go any further, and uh, you know, I

1069
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,119
would see I would go in the kitchen, you know,

1070
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,519
in the middle of the night, get stuff ready, and

1071
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,880
you'd see them, you know, and it was like not

1072
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,199
like something star and it was like you'd see something.

1073
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,199
And I've seen it long enough to know I could

1074
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,239
get a glimpse, you know, and I can describe what

1075
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,320
I saw. And it was like almost like the eyebrows

1076
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,159
were heavier than they should be, and almost like somebody

1077
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:33,239
that's trying to portray something they're not. If that makes sense.

1078
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 4: It does, It does to me, it does.

1079
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know, but all I can say is

1080
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,760
what it is. And I saw that a couple of times.

1081
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,440
And this is only with particular dolls, but it seems

1082
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,320
like it's only in the kitchen, or it's only around

1083
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,639
the perimeter where the dolls are well.

1084
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 4: And it's funny because Debbie's talking about we at that point,

1085
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,480
we had a couple thousand off that we're new, you know,

1086
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,840
to being in the house. She started seeing things differently,

1087
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,639
and I sensed that it was kind of freaking her

1088
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,280
out a little bit. So I went in.

1089
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 8: It wasn't freaking out, It's just something different.

1090
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 4: Ye, that's what I sensed. So I went in and

1091
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,199
I recorded it and I said, all right, listen, guys,

1092
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,159
I said, from now on, I said, whatever you guys

1093
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:21,599
are doing, you're not allowed to wander far from whatever

1094
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,480
doll you're attached to. That's what we're going to have

1095
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:28,159
to do here. And we got an e VP and

1096
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:30,880
and it was a mail's voice and he said and

1097
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,480
he said, that's BS. Didn't say DS. He said the

1098
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:37,440
word earlier straight out.

1099
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:41,199
Speaker 2: You can say, yeah, no FCC rules here.

1100
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 6: Let's say okay, good, No, it's fun now, I'm sorry.

1101
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 8: Uh.

1102
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: When So when you came into the hotel room and

1103
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,920
you saw all these dolls laid out for you, how

1104
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,320
did you come to it?

1105
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: Try to approach to do an e VP session?

1106
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think generally we do what we

1107
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,880
always do and it doesn't matter like if we had

1108
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:05,559
no groups in the perfect location. How we like to

1109
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:09,400
work is just totally life out. On a perfect day,

1110
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,559
we would probably sit there for fifteen minutes, see what

1111
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,000
the house had to say to us, see what sounds

1112
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,199
we heard, kind of get into your head and see

1113
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:20,360
where you see them in the building, ask them, talk

1114
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,599
to them. I talked to them right in the air,

1115
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,400
just I could do at home. You know, you can

1116
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,079
come to me. It's okay, We're not going to hurt you.

1117
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:28,400
Let them know why we're here verbally as well as telepathically,

1118
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,960
and then you know, maybe fifteen twenty minutes. Like usually generally,

1119
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,519
if we have those circumstances, you will usually hear footsteps

1120
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,599
or knox or something. And I mean not like oh gee,

1121
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:42,000
afore you get the house. I mean really tangible stuff

1122
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,159
to where you can say, okay, we thought that was

1123
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,880
you can you do it again? You know, in the

1124
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,000
perfect setting we've had success to where they do. Then

1125
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,679
you can say, okay, come in. And usually I say

1126
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,360
prayers first, if it was you know, in the perfect situation,

1127
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,400
and then we we'll record and what we do do

1128
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:02,880
little bursts maybe a minute or two at a time,

1129
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,719
play back, and then like Carrie was saying, generally the

1130
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,119
EVP we get back is totally different on each recorder,

1131
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,119
and you know that's, you know, something I wanted to

1132
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,519
touch on too, just really quickly. Carry I think you

1133
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,840
touched on earlier. Why they only come up on one recorder.

1134
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,320
And a friend of mine laylave with La paranormal. Her

1135
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,039
dad has a great theory and this isn't mine, it's his,

1136
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,159
but she he said, you know, I'm thinking, if you're

1137
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,599
a house painter and you have four walls to paint,

1138
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,079
you can only paint on one wall at a time.

1139
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:38,519
And I thought that was such a great analogy. And

1140
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:42,039
then you know, I guess some people like Embidextrius or

1141
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:46,079
whatever paint too. You know, maybe really artsy people won't

1142
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:48,639
have done it for a really long time. But to me,

1143
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,559
that made so much sense to me. And you know,

1144
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:53,119
I try to give him credit when I can, but

1145
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,039
I use that because I think that's just so right

1146
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,000
to the point and what I believe is going on.

1147
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, makes sense.

1148
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 4: And when we record, we look we are actively looking

1149
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,320
for interaction. You know, we're not laying a recorder down

1150
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,119
and coming back a half hour later and then listening

1151
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:12,719
back two weeks later at.

1152
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:15,519
Speaker 8: Home no, No. I mean we've even played cards to where

1153
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:17,800
we lay cards out and we say, can you tell

1154
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,280
me what this is? They said at Alcatraz full house? Wow,

1155
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,480
and it was a full house.

1156
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1157
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 8: I mean we've been at the Wolft where we had

1158
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,679
the cards down and we say, can you tell me

1159
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:32,400
what this card is? What they say jack? We pull

1160
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,159
over a jack.

1161
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:33,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1162
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying like one over one hundred times

1163
00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:38,800
it is because we maybe did this maybe five times,

1164
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,440
but I'm telling you four or five times they were right.

1165
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: That's great.

1166
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,199
Speaker 4: Now.

1167
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:47,039
Speaker 1: I heard that you've got a very disturbing EVP while

1168
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,199
doing these succession with these dolls.

1169
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about that?

1170
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think At one point Debbie asks, she asked,

1171
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,360
we really did two recordings first recording, Well, we got

1172
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,519
quite a few, We got a bunch of stuff.

1173
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 6: But in the beginning they were nice.

1174
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:08,199
Speaker 7: Actually, remember in the beginning they were somewhat nice. We're

1175
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:09,480
all feeling good about it.

1176
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. On the first recording, Debbie asked what they think

1177
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,320
of John and they say not bad. And then we

1178
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:21,079
ended up recording again and Debbie asked that question again,

1179
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,280
what do you think of John's apice or John or whatever,

1180
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,880
and they say dead and you know, and then they

1181
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,000
will know and they.

1182
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,239
Speaker 8: Will mess with you and they will square with your hat.

1183
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,639
Speaker 4: That is what they do, right, And people in the

1184
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:38,840
room kind of got nervous about it, and I said,

1185
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,719
you know, John knows better than anybody that if they

1186
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:43,639
can mess with you, that's what they're gonna do.

1187
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: Now here's the evp uh in question that you all mentioned.

1188
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen, and what are you shilling?

1189
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,679
Speaker 8: Stop? And what are you shilling? Stop?

1190
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,599
Speaker 6: Bom?

1191
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 8: And what are you shilling stop bom?

1192
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:04,079
Speaker 7: Well, here's the interesting story because, uh, John calls me

1193
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,000
on Monday to tell me that on the way home

1194
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:12,400
from Phenomenology, the rear axle of his car comes off

1195
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,440
while he's driving. He was doing about seventy or so

1196
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,400
and the car started to shimmy, and he made it

1197
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,519
over to the side of the road just in time,

1198
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,039
where the axle broke right off the car and had

1199
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:27,320
rusted right throw. So it's, yeah, it's pretty scary. He's

1200
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,079
pretty shook it up. And he's like, I know, I

1201
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,840
should have bound those damn dolls before I put him

1202
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,400
in the car and brought him home with me, because

1203
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,719
you know, he usually does that, but he'll you know,

1204
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:38,679
he'll do it with objects once he gets back to

1205
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:42,000
the house. But I guess after he heard that EVP, he's.

1206
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,719
Speaker 6: Like, I just should have done it. You know, we're

1207
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,559
all exhausted, so that, you know, we have.

1208
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: To Well it's a he wasn't hurt.

1209
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, he was not hurt.

1210
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 7: He's very sick right now, or he would have called

1211
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,199
in this evening he said he has absolutely no voice.

1212
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,079
Speaker 6: He has pneumonia actually right now.

1213
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1214
00:59:56,639 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 8: See, you know, like right after the Galldfield we got.

1215
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,199
Speaker 9: Sick this how and you know.

1216
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 8: You have just so much energy. I've never seen so

1217
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,400
many dolls in my life in one place.

1218
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:11,199
Speaker 7: Rights, and then in another five hours, oh, I know, and.

1219
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 8: To be in the room with John's aspid to finally

1220
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,039
work with him with all these dolls, I was like

1221
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,760
a little kidney candy store. And then you know, and

1222
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,760
then we also got other EVP too.

1223
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:22,239
Speaker 4: As soon as that was.

1224
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,599
Speaker 8: Like embarrassed, one of them said embarrassed, I don't know

1225
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:29,360
if you remember, yeah, and then John said that was relative.

1226
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 4: Relevant, yeah, something like that. And then there was one

1227
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,599
time where as soon as we turned a recorder on

1228
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,800
I think it was the very first recording. As soon

1229
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,199
as we turned it on, we got an EVP and

1230
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:40,639
it said I had to do it.

1231
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,079
Speaker 6: I had to do it.

1232
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,039
Speaker 8: Yeah, remember that we.

1233
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 4: Got some crazy stuff. But there was the amount, like

1234
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,000
Debbie said, the amount of energy that was in that room.

1235
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,519
Speaker 6: We were all amped up. We were all amped up too.

1236
01:00:58,599 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: It was crazy.

1237
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,159
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well that's what they've seen on two that I

1238
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:04,880
am so totally believer on that. You know, when you

1239
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,320
know you're get to get it and you put it

1240
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,280
out there and there's not not to say skeptic, but

1241
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,480
you know exactly you're amped up. That's the amp they're using,

1242
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:15,719
that's what they're using, manifesting voices.

1243
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:18,079
Speaker 2: That's that's incredible.

1244
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've gotten a lot of great EVPs

1245
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,519
in our research. Our group has been investigating since two

1246
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:29,039
thousand and four. I've been doing it for about eleven years.

1247
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:31,079
Speaker 2: I've got a.

1248
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:33,719
Speaker 1: Variety of grade EVPs. Some I was actually able to

1249
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:37,199
hear of my own years. Most I didn't. I was

1250
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:39,840
actually wondering if I could play one for you. We

1251
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:44,840
just actually recorded this last month and it's without about

1252
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,639
one of the clearest EVPs we.

1253
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: Have ever heard.

1254
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: It's amazing, guys, and and it's it's freaky. And what's

1255
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,719
great about this particular VP is we caught it on

1256
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,079
three separate recorders, and the volume is different on three

1257
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:01,840
recorders to that we could try the position to tell

1258
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,079
exactly where the spirit was in relation to everybody. And

1259
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:07,559
let me play this for you real quick. Hopefully you

1260
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,920
can hear it through uh, through your phone line. Uh,

1261
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,000
there's gonna be a little bit of silence, and then

1262
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,480
you're gonna hear one of our investigators, Jennifer is gonna

1263
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,039
get up to move across the room. She actually trips

1264
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:21,039
a little bit on the carpet and she goes ow.

1265
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,320
But you'll hear a woman's voice come in now. Jennifer

1266
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,719
was the only woman there, but you're gonna hear a

1267
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,199
woman or a child's voice come in in a sing

1268
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:33,400
song voice. But take a listen to this and tell

1269
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,039
me what you think.

1270
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 4: Did you guys hear that I was That is a

1271
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,239
lot of that is a long I heard two sentences.

1272
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,239
Speaker 8: I heard you hurt me. She's like, I must have

1273
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,559
heard something else, she said.

1274
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 6: She If you hear here, we'll play it again for you.

1275
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nineteen second clip, and I there is

1276
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,519
some silence in the beginning, but then what you hear

1277
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,599
is what sounds like a young child's voice. It fades

1278
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:13,840
in really quick and it's a sing song going closer

1279
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,039
to you, closer to me, and she repeats it, let

1280
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:17,880
me play it one more time.

1281
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:33,199
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I hear it.

1282
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:36,599
Speaker 7: And there is no cats, no kids, and Jennifer is

1283
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:39,280
the only woman in the room and she's a smoke

1284
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,079
or toot, so she has a deeper voice.

1285
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 6: So it's pretty amazing.

1286
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,559
Speaker 8: And now I think that is amazing. I totally hear

1287
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:48,719
it once. You hear it, not to jade me, but

1288
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:49,760
I totally hear it now.

1289
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,079
Speaker 4: And that's very cool because you know, every once in

1290
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,840
a while, one of our slides we have in our

1291
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,079
that we put in our presentation is I'll go through

1292
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,000
the different types of VP that we have recorded, and

1293
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:04,639
I tell people a little bit about what you know,

1294
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:07,800
what you're what to listen for. And one of them

1295
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,719
is a sing song e v P. And that's it

1296
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,440
sounds like the voice is coming through on a roller coaster,

1297
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:16,679
and that's exactly what it sounds like. We have recorded

1298
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:19,280
e v P that that way before, and it's interesting

1299
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,519
because I read an article it's probably a couple of

1300
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:24,760
years ago, and it was from somebody I think they

1301
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,880
were in Germany and they were a musician and they

1302
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,719
were saying that the majority of the e v P

1303
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,760
that GAT comes through in that sing song kind of

1304
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,920
kind of voice, and I thought that was that was

1305
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:36,800
really interesting.

1306
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,639
Speaker 8: That is a word I wonder if it's not the

1307
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:40,519
geological location.

1308
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's more they're pinpointing his energy, and

1309
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,000
he's a musician, that's his energy.

1310
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, And interesting for one, that's a very interesting theory. Yeah,

1311
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:58,039
it's it's uh again, it's EVPs are just so phenomenal

1312
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,800
to me, and you know the fact that we're able

1313
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,360
to record them, and you know, the recorders keep getting

1314
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,679
better and clearer as time goes on. Although I know

1315
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,920
I noticed that there's sometimes even when the Ghost Adventure

1316
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,920
guys seem to use some recorders that don't that don't

1317
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,840
have that pure quality sound they go it sounds a

1318
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,119
little bit more rustic for better word, like a generation

1319
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,360
or so back that that, so.

1320
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,039
Speaker 2: Some of the e vps are a little harder to hear.

1321
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: Uh, do you guys use different types of recorders or

1322
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,639
different like recorders that are older and some newer.

1323
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, sermon with everything, you know, we're hopefully and I'm

1324
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:39,239
so stoked. You know, we were talking to Gary Galka.

1325
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,480
We'refully going to be working with the uh real time recorders,

1326
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,639
and then we use the Sony's, we use the Olympus,

1327
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,360
we use the loading Kid, we use you know, everything,

1328
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:52,159
we use everything. I use them from Walmart, I use

1329
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:57,239
I go to thrift stores, I use you know, uh,

1330
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:01,320
what do you call those old countries? This is yeah,

1331
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,519
you know, I'll buy anything, you know, and a three

1332
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:06,199
stars they're a dollar buy them. Try um. If you

1333
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:08,639
don't like them, chuck them. Yeah, you know, I mean

1334
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,159
I'll buy anything and try anything.

1335
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:17,159
Speaker 4: And our experience, our experience is that the older generation recorders,

1336
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:21,599
well they have more internal noise, right, they do tend

1337
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:24,199
to work better. Now, there's a drawback because we also

1338
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,880
have an H two Zoom, which is crystal crystal clear.

1339
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:31,079
And we have heard people that have recorded e v

1340
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:35,639
P from from the Zoom recorders and although they might

1341
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:39,679
not get the volume of e VP that we get,

1342
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:42,960
when they do come through, they tend to be crystal clear.

1343
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:48,719
So there's, right, there's a drawback to using the older

1344
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,000
generation recorders because you might get more e VP, but

1345
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,559
there's some editing, editing that's involved because you want to

1346
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,920
try to make them a little bit clearer, because they

1347
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:01,400
tend to be more gruff.

1348
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,119
Speaker 8: Right You're first, You're gonna have to load them one

1349
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:08,119
at a time, and it's very time consuming process.

1350
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:11,079
Speaker 4: There's no USB capabilities to the recorders that we use,

1351
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,199
and that's why it doesn't take much for us to

1352
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:13,920
get buried.

1353
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, understandable.

1354
01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean I remember the very first EVP I ever got,

1355
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:22,760
and this was back before the term EVP was really

1356
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,320
even coined, Back in nineteen eighty one.

1357
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 2: I was in high school.

1358
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: I went to a cemetery with just an analog cassette recorder.

1359
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,840
We saw a documentary, my brother and a friend, documentary

1360
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,159
about going around and tape recording graves and getting voices.

1361
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,800
So we thought, hey, that's cool, let's go do it.

1362
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,239
So we went to a local cemetery and sure enough,

1363
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:47,400
we got a very clear EVP of a young girl

1364
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:48,639
on the same grave.

1365
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:49,559
Speaker 2: Two EVPs.

1366
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: We got one where she says she whispers I'm dead,

1367
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:55,760
help me, which freaked us out. My friend wanted to

1368
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,480
go running home, but me I was a brave one.

1369
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,079
I go, no, no, no, let's see if we can get more.

1370
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,559
So I recorded again and immediately right away, clear as day,

1371
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:07,199
she's speaking very loud. She goes, it isn't finished, which

1372
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:09,320
goes right into the whole theory of you know a

1373
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,840
lot of these spirits being earthbound because they have unfinished business.

1374
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 8: Wow, same voice.

1375
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:17,199
Speaker 2: Same voice, same exact voice.

1376
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,239
Speaker 8: Yes, wow, see you know, and that's that's my thing too,

1377
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:23,159
Like you know, well, people provoking, you know, it does

1378
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:27,159
aggravate me because you know these people are alive. You know,

1379
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,640
it's like somebody knocking at your door. You wouldn't yell

1380
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,399
at these people. You wouldn't treat them like garbage. And then,

1381
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,880
for some unfound reason, people think when people are dead

1382
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:37,079
you can treat them like garbage. It's like, you know,

1383
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,319
I'm sorry, what are you doing in your spare times

1384
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:43,840
around kittens? You know, No, I'm sorry, but you know

1385
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:47,319
it's true.

1386
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,520
Speaker 4: But it's true. It's like these are the same people

1387
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,760
that if somebody was standing in front of them, they'd

1388
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,439
be nice as pie. But yeah, exactly, this per this

1389
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,439
spirit doesn't have a body. They are all of a sudden, they're.

1390
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,159
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, and then if they do fight back, oh,

1391
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:02,119
you've got classes een so you know, it's really I

1392
01:09:02,119 --> 01:09:04,880
don't know, it's just really to me, deeply wrong.

1393
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 4: But whatever, everybody got their own style.

1394
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:11,399
Speaker 7: Well it was you know, I laughed because you guys

1395
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,960
did ask about Zach when we were at the Jenny

1396
01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:17,039
Wade and.

1397
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,239
Speaker 6: The EVP we got back was like, really harsh.

1398
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:23,319
Speaker 7: It was burned Zach, remember that, it was really harsh.

1399
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, but you know, those guys, I'll tell you what,

1400
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:29,800
from the time they put their documentary out to now,

1401
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:35,039
they have come such a long long ways. I mean,

1402
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:38,319
you know, just by doing it all the time. I

1403
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,439
mean they really have respect.

1404
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,079
Speaker 8: Yeah, they learned from everybody they work with. And if

1405
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:46,640
you notice now, you know, I mean, my god, if

1406
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,760
you want to take me from ten years ago, I'd

1407
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,520
look at that person say my god, I don't want

1408
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,960
her anywhere near me. And that was me, you know

1409
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,279
what I mean. And you know, I'm sorry. We're not

1410
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:58,359
perfect people, and this is how we all learn. But now,

1411
01:09:58,399 --> 01:10:01,640
if you notice, when they single out of ghosts, it's

1412
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,640
a negative ghost that's raped or killed or god knows

1413
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,279
what they've done to somebody. That's the ghost of singling out,

1414
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,760
and not for nothing. We all die, you know, there's

1415
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,079
a lot of people here. I love the dead. I

1416
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:16,199
love the dead at times, you know, more than the living.

1417
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:20,680
You know, I think per capita. But you know you can't.

1418
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,199
I don't know more t help me out here.

1419
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,520
Speaker 4: I'm not sure where you were going either, but well, I.

1420
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: Think you were talking about being respectful to those most spirits.

1421
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,159
Speaker 8: You know, you don't know who you're speaking with or whatever,

1422
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:39,439
but at least you don't have the decency to realize

1423
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:43,680
they're dead. You know' idiots die too. They could come

1424
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,319
into you if you're initiating communication. If somebody tells me

1425
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:49,119
to shut up in my house, you'll be damned straight.

1426
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:51,039
I'll tell them shut up and get out. But you know,

1427
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,159
there's a line you have to throw these you know,

1428
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:55,359
this is the dead. And I do think they're a

1429
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:57,439
bit wiser in the sense that if you don't believe

1430
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,439
that there's an after life after this, you know, now

1431
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:04,039
they're like, oh my god, I'm seeing in the other dimensions.

1432
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:07,520
Well this is real, so you know, and they have

1433
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,119
so much to wrap their minds around.

1434
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,319
Speaker 4: And not only that, I mean, you know, we don't

1435
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,279
know what they have to go through to bring their

1436
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:21,199
message forward. I mean, and they don't have to talk to.

1437
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 8: You because you turn on a recorder, they.

1438
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 4: Have to talk exactly truth be told, they don't have

1439
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,560
to talk to us. If they don't want to to

1440
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,720
talk to us, we would sit there with our recorders

1441
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,439
and not get a damn thing, you know. And and

1442
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,039
I think that's the thing that we try to emphasize.

1443
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:38,119
And like I said, everybody has their own style, you know,

1444
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:40,520
and to each your own. You know, if you want

1445
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,800
to go in and you want to you know, you

1446
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,640
want to provoke, and you want to be the big

1447
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,439
bad ass, and that's fine. I mean, that's that's just

1448
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,159
who you are. But that's why we try to emphasize.

1449
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:55,000
You know what, don't you know, don't be disrespectful. You know,

1450
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:57,640
you don't know who you're speaking to. And that's enough

1451
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,199
to talk to well not only.

1452
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 8: That too, but I do that. You know, if you

1453
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,760
want to take this to the next level, you're being watched.

1454
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:08,119
Not only are you being watched, you're being evaluated. Because

1455
01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:11,920
my deal is, you know, you're only alive because you

1456
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,039
need to learn more or you need to teach more,

1457
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,199
you know, And when that's over is probably the time

1458
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:20,960
to die, you know, so for whatever.

1459
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: Reason, you know, Debbie, I hate, I really hate to

1460
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,960
interrupt you. But are you hearing Is there a girl

1461
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:31,359
in the room speaking right now?

1462
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:32,199
Speaker 4: No?

1463
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 8: No, but there is. I am on porch smoking a cigarette,

1464
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,319
and there's a time next door on the No.

1465
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:39,039
Speaker 2: We're not hearing a chime. We're here.

1466
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:42,359
Speaker 1: We've been hearing for the last minute or so, a

1467
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:45,359
young girl, female voice speaking in the background behind you.

1468
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 4: No, I was worried that you were hearing that. You

1469
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,760
my guys might be hearing our dog. But we've got

1470
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,920
a great, big dog and he's barking in.

1471
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:58,079
Speaker 7: His dog runs, playing outside like kids, possibly playing.

1472
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 6: In the distance or something.

1473
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: It did not more like a voice, like a voice.

1474
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 4: We don't I'm not picking that up at all.

1475
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 8: No, but that's not the first time that we've heard

1476
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,399
like feedback on stuff.

1477
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've isolated the time here. We're gonna have to

1478
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:15,239
definitely go back and listen to that. Well, we're coming

1479
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:16,760
to the end of the show, and I wanted to

1480
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,760
ask what are your plans for the future from going

1481
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:20,399
forward from here?

1482
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,039
Speaker 8: Mark? Do you have that computer?

1483
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got a couple of conferences coming up.

1484
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 8: Oh, I know you have Mansfield, which.

1485
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:31,520
Speaker 4: Is Man's Yeah, I think Mansfield sold out. That's coming

1486
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,279
up in a couple of weeks.

1487
01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 8: Awesome anyway, and that's what the Coast Adventures.

1488
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:41,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if there's anybody Virginia, Virginia City is for

1489
01:13:41,319 --> 01:13:45,479
anybody that's never been there, Virginia City is probably the

1490
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,119
most haunted town that I've ever been to.

1491
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 8: Sus I'm here feedback. But there's miners, you know, there's

1492
01:13:56,079 --> 01:13:59,399
you know, minds that collabs, people got suffocated. You know,

1493
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,520
there was great fires there. There's you know, I hate

1494
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,800
to say but with a happy face, but there's more

1495
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,479
tragedy in this town. And it's like actually swinging doors

1496
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,680
on the buildings. You have the wash Up Club, Saint

1497
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,039
Mary's Art Center, and Tara, the one that does the conferences.

1498
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,560
I swear to god, I've never seen anyone that gives

1499
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,800
you more time per location than Tara. So what's her

1500
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,159
website www dot api Rweekly dot com.

1501
01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:30,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I think if you go to APR.

1502
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 8: Or you can go to our website and then just

1503
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:32,439
write a bandage.

1504
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,039
Speaker 4: It's called a Paranormal Interest Retreat and it's May twelfth

1505
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:40,800
through the fifteenth.

1506
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 9: And.

1507
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:41,520
Speaker 4: I still think she has a couple of tickets left.

1508
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,359
Speaker 6: But it's basically priced. It's very reasonably priced.

1509
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that includes the hotel room.

1510
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 4: The price, does it?

1511
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 8: I thought it did. I'm not sure, but you can

1512
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,359
talk to Tara right.

1513
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 4: And then we've got before that. I think a week

1514
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:01,000
before that, we're going to be at the Mantiqua Paranormal

1515
01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:06,720
Expo in Mantica, California. Spirit Work Productions. I know there

1516
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,039
are some tickets left for that. And then I think

1517
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:14,039
in June we're going to be in Red Boiling Springs, Tennessee.

1518
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:20,439
It's June third, which and that the conference is called

1519
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:24,039
the Dead and Gone. It's New Light Paranormal. And what's

1520
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:28,520
really interesting, if we have a minute, is that about

1521
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,000
four or five years ago, we came across a haunted

1522
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:35,319
bed and breakfast on the internet, and just for hell

1523
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:39,560
of it, I contacted a real estate agent in Tennessee

1524
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,640
and I said, Hey, you know this house is for sale,

1525
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,079
this bed and breakfast. Can you get us some information

1526
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:46,399
on it. Not that we could have afforded it, but

1527
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,039
it was for a good price, and it was like

1528
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:53,039
an up and running bed and breakfast. It was like

1529
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,880
eighteen rooms and blah blah blah with hot springs in

1530
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,600
the back. Right. So anyway, the real estate agent never

1531
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,000
really help, that's never really got its information, so that

1532
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:05,319
all kind of went by the wayside. And then now

1533
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:09,079
lo and behold, we're doing a conference at the exact

1534
01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:09,720
same bed.

1535
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:13,319
Speaker 8: Saying that we're not sure, but you know how we're.

1536
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:15,279
Speaker 4: The same, It is the same.

1537
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 8: Well, he knows everything, so I suppose it's the same.

1538
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 4: So I'm thinking that we're probably going to get some

1539
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,079
crazy stuff there because it's weird, you know.

1540
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:26,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't wait to see that.

1541
01:16:26,199 --> 01:16:28,359
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to talk about it on Facebook for sure.

1542
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:30,079
Speaker 4: Great, well, yeah, yeah we will.

1543
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,319
Speaker 1: Well, Mark and Debbie, I just really wanted to thank

1544
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:33,479
you for coming on the show.

1545
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,319
Speaker 2: You guys have been phenomenal to talk to.

1546
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: We've had such a good time here tonight, and we're

1547
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,560
definitely going to have to have you back on the

1548
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,039
program again sometime soon.

1549
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,399
Speaker 4: Well. Absolutely, that's fascinating comic.

1550
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is certainly is. Well.

1551
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: Again, thank you for being on and I want to

1552
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,920
thank everybody for listening to the show tonight. To be

1553
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,520
sure to tune in next week at seven pm Eastern

1554
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,119
standard time for our next show, and we're going to

1555
01:16:57,159 --> 01:16:59,520
sign off tonight as usual by saying good night, John,

1556
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,680
where wherever you are.