Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious podcast. We are here with part two of
our Big Twins, Big Twins episode. You have got something
for you, so let me just lay it all out
here on the floor, right, let me find a middle
c here.
Speaker 2: And here we go.
Speaker 1: Heart and soul.
Speaker 3: Yes, ready.
Speaker 1: So for that scene, they had doubles, I know, right,
they had doubles. Now, I don't know how to put
together exactly all of the stories that I heard, but basically,
Robert Loja and Tom Hanks know that they have doubles,
and the doubles are there in case they're not good
enough dancers to pull it off themselves. Right, Robert Loja
and Tom Hanks cut out two different cardboards, go home
and practice this because there's no freaking way they're gonna
let the doubles steal their thunder. Absolutely, and it is
the one of the most memorable scenes in movie history.
Speaker 3: That's a huge scene and have those actors pull that
off is so vital to the heart and soul this movie.
Speaker 1: Haha. See what you did there, chopsticks? All right? So
so you know, let's that brings us We're talking about
the production and the what we love about these movies
right now? Okay, yes, so Big is one of those
movies that hit me right where it needed to hit
me right when. I mean told you I'm the same
age as these guys. I'm identifying with everything that they're
going through. And there's I'm watching this movie and there's
literally not one single scene that they got wrong. Like
everything works. And I know you have some.
Speaker 3: Problems with tip in your hand here a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Okay, I told you that once I
was done with Kelly Priston, I was done with Twins.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I do have some problems with Big, right,
So let me just say when I was like, Okay,
I can't wait for my kids to be old enough
to watch Big because obviously it's you know, it's questionable
in parts.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some sexual references and such, and so
I was super excited. And then when I got it,
somehow I ended up getting the extended version, and so
when I watched that with my kids, I'm like, this
doesn't seem right. And then I'm like, wait a minute,
this is not a scene that was in the original movie.
And then I go back, I'm like, oh crap, how
did I get the extended version. So for those of
you who have the opportunity to see the extended version,
don't it sucks. Don't do that, Okay. The way that
they put each of these scenes together in the theatrical cut, editing, timing, everything,
thing is perfectly on point, and it gets ruined in
the extended version, So don't watch that.
Speaker 3: Kind of like Star Wars, keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, heck yeah.
Speaker 3: So what what did you see that wasn't in the
theatrical I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I mean, my oldest is twenty now,
so that's you know, she was probably twelve, okay, and
when that happened, and I tried to erase it from
my memory.
Speaker 3: Really, I heard that there was some stuff with Billy's
parents and they weren't very nice.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Okay, I don't even remember that part.
So so they're just moment to moment. We talk about
how important that scene is with the keyboard and how
memorable it is. But you've got the scene on the
trampoline with Elizabeth Perkins, which is fantastic. You got the
scene in the limo where he stands up and is
having fun. You get the scene where he is putting
together his apartment. I mean, that's a memorable scene for
me because I'm thinking, Yes, this is where I want
to live when I grow up. I want to have
a big, like warehouse style apartment, and I put in
a pinball machine, and I can skateboard and drink PEPSI
bump bed and a trampoline. I mean, heck yeah, I'm
wanna throw the baseball and have the coke pop out.
That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, should we talk about my problems with Big?
Speaker 1: Sure, let's go ahead.
Speaker 3: You want to get into I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I can tell you where you're wrong.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I agree with you that Big is an
immensely charming movie. It's lots of fun. I was just
to touch old, so it didn't hit me straight Bullseye
Summer of eighty eight. But I still got the charm
and Tom Hanks is lovable. How could you not love it?
So for me, I have just a couple of issues.
Josh's mom is in hell the entire movie, and my
heart breaks for her, and it broke in eighty eight
when I saw him, like this woman thinks her child
has been kidnapped.
Speaker 1: You have my boy, yeah, and you're gonna get him
back just the way he was.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 3: I swear to God if you do anything to him,
if you touch one hair on his head, I will
spend the rest of my life making sure you suffer.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Thanks, We just glaze over that, glazy glaze over that.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Josh writes her letters and tells her how much funny
is having like at summer camp, and she's like, my
child has been kidnapped.
Speaker 1: Listen when that scene happens. Just keep in mind this
is this is a mom that loves her kid and
a kid that loves his mom. When he becomes big
for the first time, his first instinct is like, I've
got to fix this before mom finds out. Right, He goes,
He drides his bike and goes back to the find
the Zoltar machine at the fair. Except when he gets there,
fair's gone packed up and moved and the Zultar machine
has moved with them, right right, And then the next
first instinct, I can't fix this myself. Does he go
to Billy, his very best friend in the whole world. First, No,
he goes to his mom and tries to explain to
his mom and she goes nuts, right, threatens him with
a butcher knife. I mean, I can see how he
might get a little freaked out at that point, and right,
and then next he goes to Billy. I love how
Dad is like a minor character in this, like why
would we talk to dad?
Speaker 3: And just where's Cracodile has this?
Speaker 1: Yeah he's yeah. And so by the way, in casting,
I noticed you didn't talk about who played baby sister
in this. Yeah, they don't know who it is, like literally,
like there's not a credit given. And so to this day,
thirty five years later, nobody knows it is a mystery.
So he goes to talk to Billy and they show
this as a big problem, right, Like the one who's
most worried about this, it seems to be Josh, Like
he's panicked. I don't know what to do. Great, I
want to be thirty years old for the rest of
my life, right, Like that's the culmination, after they go
through all of these steps to try to fix this problem.
He doesn't want this to have happened. And I think
the fact that he can't go talk to his mom
about it, we've established that because he tried it was
the first thing he tried. And then just before they
leave and go to New York, they're walking by Josh's
house and the police are talking to her and they're like, well,
they didn't leave a ransom note. I don't know, and
like the other kid that you're standing outside, I wish
I could run away. Yeah, you should go ahead, back up,
let me back for you. Yeah, And so they touch
on it. But you can't make that the focus of
the movie. This is a feel good movie.
Speaker 3: I understand. I'm just saying my heart as a parent
breaks for this.
Speaker 1: Woman, and it should and it should, but that can't
be I mean, that's what's not what the movie is about.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's the flip side, the other side of the
coin of big. Yeah, there's a Mel Gibson movie where
he's the detective and there's a child that's been taken
and he's interviewing the parents, and by god, he needs
to interview that boy next door because he's the best
friend and he knows something right and he's going through
the slums of New York trying to figure out where
this kid went. By god, and this is the last
case I saw, and by God, I'm gonna do it.
We don't get to see that movie. That'd be a
movie I'd want to see.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, and then and the culmination is that he's
kidnapped because he turned big after making a wish on
a carnival game.
Speaker 3: Well, and also he's investigating the fact that he got
a phone call from Melantoys from the kidnapper. And when
he goes to show up there there's a new employee
by the name of Josh Baskin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting.
Speaker 3: Also, adult Josh Baskin goes missing. His coworkers don't know
what happened.
Speaker 2: Where did he go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one minute he's presenting he's the superstar of the company,
vanished without a trace.
Speaker 1: It's this weird look on his face, just kind of
wanders off.
Speaker 3: Here's the meeting. Nobody sees him again.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, mel Gibson's got his hands full.
Speaker 1: Why Mel Gibson, Why Nicknalty, Gary Busey, some sort of
exactly there you go. Okay, so tell me what your
other problems are. Uh.
Speaker 3: My other problems have to do with the sexual nature
of the relationship between an adult woman and a child.
And I understand that this is a fantasy and we're
all seeing it through Josh's eyes, and I know she
didn't know better. There's a thirteen year old kid and
a thirty year old.
Speaker 1: Woman who have sex, right, but he's in a thirty
year old body.
Speaker 3: I understand that.
Speaker 1: I understand it, so it'd be a lot worse. It's
the other way around.
Speaker 3: Really hard to get around that part. Yeah, other than that,
I think it's great.
Speaker 1: So those two, just those two things, just those two things, Okay,
I'm I'm okay, I accept I accept those two things.
I think you're wrong about the mom thing. I think
they give it exactly as much attention as it deserves.
I mean, talk about the moment where he has to
sing her the song and she's crying and he feels awful.
That's that is exactly what needs to happen and is
the entire breadth of what needs to happen with the
mom and it's a touching, touching moment.
Speaker 3: There is a funny moment there too as well, where
she's like, ask him the song I used to sing
to him and he's like, would you rather ask him else?
So funnyom.
Speaker 1: The corner of my mom.
Speaker 3: Well gives and needs to trace that phone called to
the toy department, what a weird thing. Yes, okay, you
said that whenever you were this age and these movies
came out, you thought they were both cute movies. They're
both cute movies, enjoyable, but nothing that like wowed you
to death. I don't. I think that they are among
the best movies of the eighties or even eighty eight.
So in the summer of eighty eight, you had Coming
to America come.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah, which we've covered.
Speaker 3: Which we've covered, and I thought was fantastic. And then
we had this other movie where terrorists take over the
Knaka Tony Plaza, which we've covered, which we've covered Against
Leith Weapon that's one of my favorite episodes. Right, I
was much more interested in what John McClain was doing
than Josh Baskin. Okay, but I still I get it.
I enjoy these movies. I like the charm of both
of them. I think they're both cute, they're funny. I've
got a smile on my face the entire time. Now
I don't bust out laughing the entire time like I
did the first time I saw Coming to America. But
they're both enjoyable movies.
Speaker 1: So whenever you watch The Big again for this, did
it move the needle for you? Did you change your thimet?
Speaker 3: I liked it better. I liked it better because I'm
an adult. I'm the you know, I'm the older Josh.
Even though we're not spot on the idea of being
young again. It's a fantasy, right.
Speaker 1: We've got that question that you dropped on the last
episode that we're going to have to cover here in
a little No. No, I'm anxious to hear what you think. Yeah, yeah,
so shall we talk about twins.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about twins.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Twins. I didn't see in nineteen eighty eight.
I saw it for the first time a night and
a half ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good? Not at all. No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: No, And I mean, obviously I've revealed where I'm going
to end up on these you know, final judgment is revealed.
Sorry spoiler alert. But no, I mean I wanted to
enjoy it very much, and as I watched it, I
had to keep reminding myself, Okay, this is nineteen eighty eight,
pacing right, this is not this is not the comedy
of today. That it needs to hit me a little
bit faster. Events need to occur a little bit faster
for my short, short attention span. This is nineteen eighty eight,
and so the delayed humor is something that I just
kind of got to remember how to enjoy. But even
telling myself that, there were like two moments where I
kind of chuckled at something that Danny DeVito said, you would.
Speaker 2: Tell your brother he messes with me, he messes with my.
Speaker 1: Old family, and then kept expecting it to go somewhere
that it never went. I mean, the end. I knew
from the beginning that they would find their mother again.
I knew that from the beginning because I could just tell.
It was just that I know that's what's going to happen, sure,
But there were so many opportunities that I felt like
they had that they didn't fulfill, and then they threw
something into the middle that I thought, well, if we'd
had a little bit of the beginning, then it would
have made a little more sense. But this is just
kind of some random act that now is happening in
this movie, and I just was like, not that funny.
It all seems to be built on I mean, the
success of this movie is all built on the ridiculous
idea of the premise of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito.
These polar opposites are twins joke. It's a great it's
a great premise. It's a great premise, and I felt
like guys from The Trading Places and guys from these
other monumental movies that figured out how to do it.
Later on, I thought they would deliver more in this one,
and then just they didn't.
Speaker 3: Okay, you want to hear my problem with Twins. Okay,
So Jeff Johnson and I always talked about the Calvin cut, Right,
what would I change about this movie to.
Speaker 1: Make it better?
Speaker 3: So the initial joke is that Julius finds out he's
got a brother and he's been missing and they're going
to reunite. That's a great premise. And then it kind
of collides with a Miami Vice episode of Beetroot and
the stolen V eight engine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the turbocharge, the turbo charge thing, now fuel injected,
that's it.
Speaker 3: Fuel jestation. Yeah, that's right. So, first of all, that's
not a big enough mcguffin for me.
Speaker 1: Nope.
Speaker 3: The arc of the Covenant in the back of somebody's trunk.
You know, let's raise the stakes a little bit or.
Speaker 1: Something, right, Well, I mean, and you expect it to
be drugs the whole time. Yeah, and then it's like
it's a fuel injector. Uh okay, well that's a weird,
interesting thing to do.
Speaker 3: It's a left blinker for a new car coming out.
Speaker 1: Anyway, go ahead, Colvin Cutt.
Speaker 3: So, I think that if they had started off giving
us a little bit of the backstory on that particular
thing at the beginning of the movie, you know, bad
guys or hey, they knock off somebody, they steal it
from a corporate warehouse somewhere, and they, you know, beat
roots involved. And we know who the bad guys are.
We know what this item is, we know how important
it is or how valuable it is, and that story
parallels to Julius and Vincent. But we just kind of
collide with that part of the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then you and I talked about the bad guy.
I thought he was kind of menacing, but you said
you kind of liked him.
Speaker 1: I did kind of like him. And this guy, this
is the Webster character. This is Marshall Bell, the guy
who was supposed to get the car and supposed to
deliver the fuel injection engine for five million dollars right right,
And I texted you, I'm like, hey, I wonder if
he's this guy and Ernie are friends because he is
the prophet or at least the guy who has the
profit baby in his belly from Total Recall, I know
that blew me away, which we covered with We covered
Total Recall with the guys from a thirty something.
Speaker 3: I did do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so thirty something movie podcast, we did Total Recall
episode with him, and this guy's in it, and I
thought he was. He was funny. I mean, you know,
I just you know what, nobody's ever I was supposed
to deliver this and you know what, nobody's ever seen
my face boom boom boom. Like he's terrifying but also
kind of you know, likable. Sure, but yeah, I'm with you, like,
if you're going to introduce that, give us something in
the beginning, don't just randomly The only thing, the only
foundation that they lay is that David Caruso tells Danny
DeVito when there are cars that are worth something, he
could come and steal and fence to this other car.
Dealership or whatever. Right, it doesn't lay any foundation about
the fuel injection engine and why Webster's involved there, any
of that that is not late. What foundation is late
at the beginning is, hey, we did this massive scientific
experimant involving this beautiful woman and these five different fathers,
put them all together to create the perfect human being,
perfect physically, perfect mentally, you know, educated on this island,
raised in a tropical paradise to create this perfect being. Great.
That is a fantastic premise. And then five minutes in
the movie, he rows off the island with their blessing
and never comes back. We don't know why they did it.
We don't know why they let him go so easily.
It's just like, well, we spent all this money and
all this time and thirty it's their thirty fifth birthday,
thirty five years and we'll just say, oh, you want
to go see you brother, all right, see you later,
and we don't tell you why we did all this
in the first place.
Speaker 3: See, I asked myself that very question. I'm like, what's
going on at the island? You know, I think that
the experiment was like officially shelved. And then you have
that one doctor just kind of raising Arnold because there's
neally no other explanation because they just.
Speaker 1: Let him go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I sent you a picture. I don't want
to beat this lady up. But the island that Arnold
Schwarzenegger lives on in the opening scene where he's rowing away, yeah,
there's a giant lady straight out of a trailer on
the beach with him. So clearly not everybody's eating health
food and studying philosophy.
Speaker 1: I must have missed that. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, they hang their hat on two jokes. One, Danny
Veto and Arnold Schwarzenegger are twins.
Speaker 2: Genetic garbage.
Speaker 1: We're twins, we're basically the same. And two, Arnold Schwarzenegger,
mister action hero himself, is this naive virgin for the
first time in mainland America dealing with.
Speaker 3: All of the let's talk about that crime and other stuff.
When Kelly Preston seduces Arnold, so he is, I'm sorry,
I lost track of food about this stuff in theory
theory until the beautiful Kelly Preston shows up and.
Speaker 1: They're a manual.
Speaker 3: We'll figure it out. So yeah, in both movies, you
have two men lose their virginity and both have friggin
goofy as crap looks on their face in the next scene.
And now that scene makes me laugh out loud in
both movies. Yes, both of them have the goofy smile,
super happy, their eyes have been opened and now they've
leveled up.
Speaker 1: And a coffee coffee yeah black right, Okay, now that's
an important connection, right, both virgins both lose their virginity.
And the other kind of key ingredient that we thought, hey,
this is the right matchup to make is these are
guys who are naive, kind of a fish out of
water circumstance, right, and they both follow the hero's journey.
Arnold goes from his tropical island to the underworld of
La Josh Baskin goes from his suburban ideal life to
the crime ridden streets of New York City. Another fantastic scene,
by the way, where Tom Hanks is terrified and crying
in bed after he uses his man body to shove
the dresser in front of the door right door.
Speaker 3: The guy's speaking loud in Spanish outside my door scares me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this both of so these movies are related. I
mean not just in premise. Yeah, but these both of
these movies were the People's Choice Awards winners, both winners
they tied for the Favorite Comedy Motion Picture of nineteen
eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, people love this movie.
Speaker 1: There are two huge comedies that are definitely related. And
it's just that I can't, for the life of me,
I can't figure out how Twins is even close to
being in the same category with me. You've noticed logic.
Speaker 3: So here's the deal. When they were filming Twins, they
knew they had a hit. When the crew would sit around,
they want dailies, and everybody would laugh at the dailies,
so they found it funny at the time. I thought
it was funny at the time. Yeah, this is not
sitting well with you though.
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing. You and I kind of
talked about this. It seems like for the movies of
the eighties. I guess this isn't true for my kids.
So maybe it's either you're a kid when you see it,
or you were a kid when you saw it for
the first time. Sure like if you missed the boat
on Twins in nineteen eighty eight as an adult, I
don't think you're going to enjoy it because I tried
real hard and I just didn't.
Speaker 3: You and I talked about this. Yeah, there's something very
important about the age you are and your expectation level
when you see.
Speaker 1: Something right, and I mean, and it's it's not as
though I don't enjoy even older movies, like movies from
the seventies and the sixties and fifties. I mean, we
freakly covered M M and Psycho, which was nineteen thirty one,
and I was captivated. I was absolutely captivated. And it
was in a foreign language. For going to sake, I
don't know. There's just something about so far my experience
has been if I missed the boat, I don't love it, right,
I didn't. I like Predator, but there were definitely moments
in I had more laugh out loud moments and Predator
than I did in Twins. And the laugh out loud
moments were like the ridiculousness of the explosions and the
guy the body's flying and the you are one ugly yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that part was actually kind of funny. So it's interesting,
you know, it's weird for me to say that being
the host of an eighties movie podcast, But I think
there is definitely something to be said about if you
didn't catch it when it was in the eighties or
when you were a kid.
Speaker 3: It may not hate you, right, Okay, now listen to this. Yeah,
you almost get your wish here. Because they had a
sequel in mind for twins, right, called triplets yep, And
for the longest time, like ten years, Eddie Murphy was
attached to play the third brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I watched it an interview with Arnold Schwarzeneker. He was
talking about how this is what was in the script.
Mary Anne Benedict dies, Julius and Vincent find out who
gets the money in the will, and she names a
third brother and they find out it's Eddie Murphy. I mean, hilarious, right,
great premise.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know about the execution. But after about
ten years, Eddie Murphy drops out. Then Tracy Morgan steps in,
uh huh, and Tracy Morgan not quite as funny, but
still good, right okay, And they were getting ready, they
were all ready to go, and then Ivan rightman died.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tragic.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if we'll ever get triplets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, Okay. So in addition to obviously being people's
choice for Comedy Award and being a box office powerhouse.
Twins Yeah, two hundred million dollars. Yeah, I mean, I
double big. I obviously have got the wrong perspective on
this movie. I don't know how I'm missing it, but
I'm obviously missing it because it was a monumental success.
And the song Twins from the movie Yeah, performed by
Philip Bailey and Little Richard himself. Oh yeah, hit number
eighty two on the Hot one hundred what Yeah, the song,
I guess I don't. I don't even it has to
be because of the movie, because I can't, I mean,
the Twins. Would you have even known that that was
a song before we did this?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, But at that point, people loved it so
much that they even went out and bought the album.
Speaker 3: Both of these movies for the record beat Diehard at
the box office, which alone is a travesty.
Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah. The composers for this one were Jorjes de LaRue,
who has won many many awards for his compositions. Okay,
and also Randy Edelman, who was the composer for mcguyvern. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Randy Edelman a good friend.
Speaker 1: I got to say. The music on this one is
very eighties and just kind of like it's like they're
trying to I don't know, it's very Ivan, rightman. I
guess it's probably where I would go with this.
Speaker 3: Okay, before you leave Twins, there's one piece of music
involved in Twins that I think works magically. It's when
Arnold Schwarzenegger is on the airplane and he starts singing,
yaki yah, don't talk back.
Speaker 1: Take out the papers and the trash, or you don't
get no spending cash if you and don't scrap that
kitchen floor. You ain't gonna rock and roar no more
yak the yak, don't talk back.
Speaker 3: It's funny that people love that moment in the theater.
Speaker 1: What I thought was hilarious about that moment is when
the flight attendant comes to talk to him, he can't
stop looking at her boobs, just like just like Josh Baskin.
Speaker 3: In Big Sorry, I have never heard rock and roll before.
Speaker 1: So cinematographer, this one is a guy named Andras bar Tucklewick.
It's easy for you to say, okay. He is famous
for exit wounds and speed and doom. Okay, sure, all right?
That brings us back over to Big, where our cinematographer
is a Kai. We've just talked about Barry Sonefeld. Yeah,
so Barry Sonefeld was the cinematographer for Raising Arizona by
the Coen Brothers. Steve, of course, goes on to do
many Big things, including Men in Black. As I was
watching Big Again, I'm thinking to myself, there is a
style that Penny Marshall has that is very reminiscent of
her former husband Rob Reiner. They both have a warm
feel to what they are filming that I think paints
a very pleasing picture. It's the perfect for a feel
good movie.
Speaker 3: Think about Rob Ryaner in eighty seven, he does Princess Bride. Yeah,
one of the best movies in these Yes, Penny Marshall
turns around, does Big one of the most revered.
Speaker 1: Movies in the nineteen eighties. Yes, it's a.
Speaker 3: Pretty good one too, Combo a couple of years, Yeah,
not to mention stand by Me.
Speaker 1: And exactly Yeah, and Awaken, I mean a league of
their own. These those two have done some phenomenal movies,
no question about it, no question about it. With Big Again,
this is where it comes back up. I told you
Ivan rightman partnered up with a guy on Broadway to
do a Broadway musical before he hit it big as
a film producer and director. The guy he partnered up
with was Howard Shore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Was the composer for Lord of the Rings, along with
a billion other things, including Big. He was the composer
for Big, and I felt like the music in Big
was so much better and so well placed. You just
I mean, if you just alone, you just think about
the music that was the key theme for the Zoltar machine.
You hear that, and you and you know, oh, okay,
there's something going on with the machine. And he just
gives you that little cue that's mysterious and a bit
you know, foreign and magical, because if you think about that,
this movie is about one magic moment that they don't
have to explain any further. We know the video game
is what caused it. Yep. The video game is what
fixes it, yep. Everything else they are dealing with it
as if it is absolutely really happening. You know, It's
not like you've got this big, ridiculous premise like a
father and son twitching bodies and they don't explain. It's
like you have a terrified twelve year old kid in
the body of a thirty year old adult. They both
he and his best friend know the solution. They've got
to find the game again and remake the wish. And
then what do they do. They have to go and
look at video game stores, and then the video game
guys obviously are like, well, you need to go to
this you know, government office, and they can tell you
when the affair was there and the games were there.
And the ladies like, fill this out and triplicate and
we'll take a month to process and we'll let you
know in six weeks. Six weeks. Yeah, if you're lucky. Yeah,
I mean that's real. That's government work right there. That's real.
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing along with that idea. Okay, we
talked last episode about the alternate universe where there's a
Mel Gibson movie where he's investigating the kidnapped child in
Big I would also propose that there's a missing movie
where Billy realizes that Josh got his wish ranted by
this machine. And while Josh is, you know, going back
home playing stickball and saying hi to mom, Billy's there
going I want a billion dollars you know, or Elizabeth
Perkins's character Susan decides she wants to pursue Josh, and
there is rumors that they actually filmed this ending. I
couldn't find it anywhere where she would then wish to
be young. And actually the rumors are that they shot
this ending where Josh is back in school and the
teacher says, class, we have a new student. Her name
is Susan and she walks in a little girl.
Speaker 1: Little girl in pigtails. Yeah. I'm so glad that they
didn't do that. That would have been too Hollywood. It
would have The ending of this movie where she sees
him walking away and shrinking down to young Josh in
the suit is heartbreaking. And I think her explanation of
that was that was a hard time to go through
and I don't want to go through that hard time again.
It needs to stay that way. Now. They did make
a movie. They made a movie called Little in twenty nineteen.
What yep. They made a movie and a woman is
transformed into the younger version of herself when the pressures
of adulthood become too much to bear, and its stars
Regina Hall and Isa Ray both great actresses, but it
was not a success at all. It is a got
a five point five.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've got some tidbits for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're ready for excited for the tidbits, let me
hit it.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, what do you want?
Speaker 1: First?
Speaker 3: You want twins? Do you want big?
Speaker 1: Let's go back to twins?
Speaker 2: All right, So.
Speaker 3: I got some tidbits for you on twins.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: We talked about how Arnold Schwarzenegger did this money with
no salary. Dany Vito no salary, I Evan Riving, no salary,
and Arnold Schwarzenegger made thirty five million dollars on this movie.
Speaker 1: Right, okay?
Speaker 3: Now, Then he and Danny DeVito and Ivan Rightman went
on to make the movie Junior. Have you ever seen
that one?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I haven't either. I have really no desire to see
that one now about a man getting pregnant?
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm out.
Speaker 3: But here's the deal. They were filming that movie, and
they would constantly play practical jokes on each other, Arnold
and Danny DeVito. So they had filmed this scene. Working
on this scene in the morning, and they broke for
lunch break, and during their lunch break, Danny DeVito came
to Arnold and said, you know, Arnold, you always give
me cigars. I've got a special suit for you, give
Smith's cigar. Arnold's like, great, this is awesome, thank you
very much, smokes it and when he goes back he
gets there and Ivan Ryman is like, okay, ready action
and Arnold's like.
Speaker 1: What's my line?
Speaker 3: I can't remember my line. He's like, don't you remember
this is the scene we're working for before lunch. It's this, this,
and this. Yeah, He's like, we were working on a
scene before lunch.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Couldn't remember anything? Okay, not not the situation, not the scene,
not the line. Well, it turns out Danny Dibto gave
him lots of marijuana pumped into that cigar.
Speaker 1: Ah, I gotcha.
Speaker 3: So Arnold was stoned.
Speaker 1: Gotcha?
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about the Rambo poster. As Julius is
walking around Lay, he sees a poster Rambo Part three,
which came out.
Speaker 1: The summer of eighty eight, looks at his arms.
Speaker 3: Miday's arms. Ah kind of waves him off. That is
in reference to a rivalry that Stallone and Schwarzenegger had
in the eighties. YEP, and actually it came to a
head on Stopper My Mom.
Speaker 1: Will Shoot Franks, Yes, Franks. Yeah. So I mentioned in
our last episode that one of the writers for this
movie for Twins was William Davies. He also co wrote
Stopper My Mom Will Shoot with author and famous Save
the Cat guy Blake Snyder, which is also notorious for
being one of the worst movies of all time, came
out in nineteen ninety two at Sylvester Stallone and Estelle
Getty from The Golden Girls. Right, But how did still
Sylvester Stallone decide to do this obviously awful movie.
Speaker 3: It was offered to Arnold Schwarzenegger and he kind of
feigned interest in it, and so Stallone got into that
and jumped on it. It was the old Whoopsie do
head faith Yeah, and Tchroizenegger thought this is gonna tank,
So I'll fake like I'm interested in it, He'll do it,
and it'll tank, and then I'll rise because he's taken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it worked, Yeah until Junior came out two
years later. Oh my God, followed not too long after
by Last Action Hero.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about Last Action here. I think this
summer are we yeah, went wrong, And actually that's not
really even the low point of Arn's career. Batman and
Robin one of the worst movies of the nineties.
Speaker 1: So as I was watching Twins and he's like he
They've just got their matching suits, and he's like, do
I look cool now, And Danny Deavita's.
Speaker 3: Like, mister Ice, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I sent you a little gift of the Iceman
come with mister Freeze. Yeah, whosh, bad stuff.
Speaker 3: Danny DeVito played the penguin in Batman Returns.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two Batman villains there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but mister Freeze is definitely the worst. Yeah. But
he also made twenty million dollars for that movie up
front at.
Speaker 3: Half on the back end front Twins, yeah, right, at
the end of this movie, he bought the entire crew
the born to Be Bad t shirt.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And actually the scene where he's learning to dance from
Danny DeVito.
Speaker 1: Next to my feet, not on them.
Speaker 3: There's another big movie in eighty eight where a man
teaches another man to slow dance. Came out right about
the same time. Rain Man, Right, Cruise and Dustin pfla.
Speaker 1: Hi sportship for that one too, I think so yeah
in the winter awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so that's it on my tidbits for twins.
Speaker 1: Okay, tut, you got on Big flipping back to Big.
Speaker 2: They are Josh basket. Remember you broke your arm on
my roof in my basement with Robert your hand. You look,
get it to you.
Speaker 3: This is important, Okay. So I thought this was fascinating.
The way Penny Marshall film Big. She would tell the
scene to David Moscow, he would act it out as
best he could. Then he would step aside, and then
Tom Hanks would act it out and he would base
adult Josh actions on David Moscow's performance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great method. Yep.
Speaker 3: The corn thing was absolute improv. Tom Hanks eating baby
corn just a little bit like the kernels.
Speaker 1: I mean the baby corn is one, but I mean
the the caviar and he eats the caviar and he
takes it out of his mouth. I mean, again, a
perfect moment, a perfect This is what a twelve year.
Speaker 3: Old that's yesh. He's throwing it on the floor and coughing,
and then the whole time Elizabeth Perkins is throwing herself
at him while he's gagging on this food.
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of weird.
Speaker 3: Okay, the shimmy shimmy coca pop rap that they say
to each other or I don't know if you call it.
Speaker 1: Rapper shimmy shimi coca pop sh shimmy rap. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks got that his son had been at summer
camp came back and he had a variation of.
Speaker 1: That, probably calling right.
Speaker 3: Probably was, yeah, And they wrote the own lyrics for that,
but they used the shimmy shumy coca pop from that song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what song is? What's the song called?
Speaker 3: So apparently the shimmy shimmy cocoa pop song lyrics comes
from a nineteen fifty nine song Little Anthony and the Imperials,
and they pulled that from the fifties. Okay, it's a
real song, all right, Oh, all right, My last little
tidbit for you, okay that I am excited to drop
on you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3: The amusement park at the end is what they call
Playland in Rye.
Speaker 1: New York. Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: This location is also used in Mariah Carey's fantasy video
Wow your favorite Artist Mariah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, including all I Went for Christmas is stop.
Speaker 1: People will not sign up if you tell them that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the I've got a question for you. Okay,
we really need to answer this big question. Yep, your
adult Josh, you have skipped middle school, you have skipped
high school and college. You are now an important executive.
You're making great money. You have this wonderful Manhattan penthouse
apartment with the trampoline and Space Invaders and a coke
machine where you don't need any coins. You got a
girlfriend who's super cute and you are killing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you go back to your house and mom and
dad and the crocodile hats.
Speaker 1: In a heartbeat?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Tell me why? In a harby because because Mom and
I don't want to get too personal. But in nineteen
eighty eight, I lost my mom, right, And so you
mentioned before that one of your big problems with the
movie is that this mom is in hell without him,
and I mentioned she's the first person that he goes
to whenever this problem happens, because it's a problem, it's
a wish come true, that is a curse. And so
the first person when he can't fix it himself, first
person he goes to is mom. And obviously she doesn't
get it, and that's the problem. But there's no way
he would and there's no way I would leave my
mom in hell wondering what happened to me too important?
I mean, yeah, hooking up with the hot girl at
work and the cool apartment and all of that stuff
is stuff I dreamed of as a young twelve year old.
Speaker 3: But you go back tomorrow, Yep, I agree with you.
That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: Now, then you're on Schwarzenegger. You've been raised on a
perfect island. You go see the big city in La.
You meet your brother, Yeah, you marry a beautiful woman.
You have twins, yeah, you raise them in La. Do
you go back to the island?
Speaker 1: Take Kelly Preston back to the island, start a nudist colony. Yeah,
I mean, heck, yeah, I'm going yes, yes, yes, I
told you my biggest problem with the island because we
really don't know that much about it. But I mean
the idea of, hey, I get all of my needs
provided for, right, I've got all the physical training I need,
the perfect diet, I can study whatever I want to study,
all that stuff. The biggest problem is he's gotten nobody
to talk to. I don't have Adjason Colvin to go
talk to all my stuff. Yeah, it's not paradise, right. Yeah.
So if you're bringing back Kelly Preston and we can
talk stuff together and make twins throughout the years, yeah,
go back to the island and bring a friend.
Speaker 3: With you, grab your brother and his family, grab your family,
go back to the island.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that. All right, are we
ready for final judgment?
Speaker 1: Let's do it, final judgment.
Speaker 3: Okay, we already know where you stand, so go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I haven't kept it a secret.
I didn't see Twins in the eighties, and I think
that's a big problem for enjoying the movie because going
back and watching it and not having seen it, I
did not like it. I didn't think it was funny.
A couple of chuckle moments. The highlight is Kelly Preston,
and that is all this movie has to offer for me.
I will say, Kindergarten Cop the next Ivan Rightman Arnold
Swarzenegger matchup, I think is absolutely fantastic. It's funny. I
think they did it right by not making him kind
of goofy and naive, but making him a tough cop
who has to deal with a comedic situation. I thought
it was great, loved it, would watch it over and
over again. But again, I saw that one in the
theater when it came out big. I did see in
the theater, and I have loved from the first day
I saw it till now. It is a perfectly made movie,
and it is miles and miles away my first choice
over Twins.
Speaker 3: Awesome. All right, So I think that's interesting. Again, it
matters when you see it, it matters. Nostalgic matters, right, Yeah.
When I think about these two movies, I saw both
in the theater. I had warm memories about both of them.
So when I go back and revisit, I watch Twins
and it's cute, and I like the joke between Schwartzenegger
and Danny DeVito. I mean, you have to have some
sort of liking to that premise or the whole movies
in the tank, and I think it's a great premise.
I think it's funny. The little brother who came out
as the crap from the milkshake, right, that's all funny. Yeah,
great premise. When I went back and watched Big, I
told you both of these movies were sort of off
Bull's Eye for me. Right, I liked him, I didn't
love him at the time. Diehard blew my socks off?
So where did these movies stand in comparison to that?
It was no contest. But now that I'm a father,
I'm an adult, Big is just so darn charming and
so fun. I have my issues with it, mainly because
Mercedes rules character is just absolutely in torment for six weeks.
But it's Big all day, every day, one hundred percent
of the time.
Speaker 1: Nice. Wow, Yeah, Hey we agree. I really thought I
didn't think that that was what was going to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, last Yeah, I love Big.
Speaker 1: So what about Twins?
Speaker 3: I like it. I love Kelly Preston. She looks absolutely
stunning in this movie.
Speaker 1: Kind of beating that over the head. Haven't we.
Speaker 3: The highlight?
Speaker 1: You know? It is the highlight.
Speaker 3: It is the highlight. Yeah, And I'll say this, Arnold
Schwarzenegger looks great. He is at his mister Olympia best
in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he's funny. It's just a one jug movie and
it's cute. I would say Twins good, big better and
Diehard great and die Hard great.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's hilarious. Well, Shirley fans, tell us what you think.
What do you pick on these? What are your nostalgia
memories of these? Are you at this point wanting to
go back and watch them with your own kids, because
there's a good chance that your kids are gonna like them.
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I love seeing those two.
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