Speaker 1: If men have high estrogen in their system, the organic
Speaker 1: soy can help. It is protective.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you've noticed it yourself, lower energy stuff, burton belly fat,
Speaker 2: and you just assume it's getting older. But what if
Speaker 2: it's your hormones. Today we're talking about andropause, sometimes called
Speaker 2: male metapause. My guest, doctor Kumar, is board certified in
Speaker 2: internal medicine. She's an integrated physician and an expert in
Speaker 2: bioidentical hormone balancing for female and male patients. In the
Speaker 2: episode preceding this one, I chatted with doctor Kumar about
Speaker 2: balancing hormones for women in their mid thirties and up.
Speaker 2: This one for men will be just as informative and helpful.
Speaker 2: We'll break down what's really going on in your body,
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Speaker 2: up button. And now for today's episode, Hi doctor Kumar,
Speaker 2: welcome back, Thank you, thank you for having me esther.
Speaker 2: You know, the episode that we did on female hormone
Speaker 2: balancing has been so well received so far, so I
Speaker 2: wanted to let you know that. And I'm very excited
Speaker 2: to do this one on male hormone balancing, like we
Speaker 2: started the last time. Give people a basic knowledge about
Speaker 2: male hormones. What are they and where are they produced?
Speaker 1: So male hormones. The primary hormone in a man is testosterone.
Speaker 1: The secondary hormone is estrogen, and they're produced by the
Speaker 1: leading cells in the testicles that are programmed to produce testosterone.
Speaker 1: Testosterone is a very important hormone in men. I was
Speaker 1: not taught anything about this in my training, and I
Speaker 1: fell upon this because I'm interested in hormones because they're
Speaker 1: so important. And I remember when doctor Bredson's book The
Speaker 1: End of Alzheimer's came out and a lot of the
Speaker 1: interest in dementia came out, and they were talking about
Speaker 1: how testosterone is a key hormone in cognition in men,
Speaker 1: and I became very curious, you know, what is this.
Speaker 1: I was never taught about this. I was only taught
Speaker 1: about you know, you give testosterone to people who have
Speaker 1: Kleinfelters because they don't produce testosterone, or in testosterone deficiency
Speaker 1: as a pathology. When I was at Stanford. In my
Speaker 1: third year of residency, there was an article that was
Speaker 1: produced that was published that said men are losing fertility
Speaker 1: in LA and the cities of California from hormone disruptors
Speaker 1: in the environment. So I was what twenty all of
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, saying what are hormone disruptors and
Speaker 1: why does that affect fertility? And so all of that
Speaker 1: kind of came back to me and I started to
Speaker 1: really explore what is going on here? And now thirty
Speaker 1: years ago that was underway, and we've had so many
Speaker 1: more impurities and environmental toxins that have built up in
Speaker 1: our environment and caused disruption in female hormones. Now, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't that affect men? And so I started checking testosterone
Speaker 1: levels because that's not something that we typically do in
Speaker 1: our physical exams, you know, pre physical exam labs and
Speaker 1: low and behold. You know, in my practice, in my
Speaker 1: clinical practice, I found that the majority of men that
Speaker 1: were in their forties and above had low free testosterone level.
Speaker 2: What is what is low free testosterone means ERA number.
Speaker 1: There's not one number. It really depends on the lab.
Speaker 1: So the lab will different labs have different ranges of
Speaker 1: total and free testosterone. So testosterone as a hormone is
Speaker 1: available to the body as a free and total level.
Speaker 1: What is the free level? The free is the testosterone
Speaker 1: that is not bound by a protein that's bioavailable two
Speaker 1: men's cells. Just like in women, free testosterone is also
Speaker 1: bioavailable to her cells and is an important yet tertiary
Speaker 1: hormone for women. Not all women need testosterone. In women
Speaker 1: that have PCOS or polycystic ovarian syndrome, their testosterone levels
Speaker 1: are very high. Their estrogen levels are low. Well in
Speaker 1: midlife men, especially in America, especially what I see in
Speaker 1: my practice, the free testosterone levels are low in men.
Speaker 1: So then the question becomes why, what is going on
Speaker 1: and what is causing this to happen. Now, we know
Speaker 1: that environmental toxins damage the lead ex cells of the
Speaker 1: testicles and cause of reduction and testosterone production, But so
Speaker 1: do our diets. And that's the point that you and
Speaker 1: I are here to talk about, is what can we
Speaker 1: do to improve the diets of men so that their
Speaker 1: testosterone levels improve. Not all men will have improved testosterone
Speaker 1: levels with dietary changes and moving to a whole food,
Speaker 1: plant based diet, which we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: as to why that works. But it's a very important
Speaker 1: component of the foundation of the body. If your foundation
Speaker 1: of the body is not healthy, you're not going to
Speaker 1: have a chance of improving anything. So that's the foundational piece.
Speaker 2: What is the imbalance that occur as I go, I
Speaker 2: understand that low testosterone, but what's the imbalance? Do they
Speaker 2: have more estrogen?
Speaker 1: So there's many ways that the imbalance occurs in men.
Speaker 1: And just let's just take one step back and talk
Speaker 1: about why testosterone is important in men. What is the
Speaker 1: function of it? Well, the function of testosterone is neuroplasticity,
Speaker 1: it's cognitive clarity, it's memory, its stacks memory. It influences
Speaker 1: the hippocampus and the brain that is the memory center
Speaker 1: of the brain. It all of the muscle receptors have
Speaker 1: receptors for testosterone, So testosterone enhances muscle growth and muscle
Speaker 1: tone in men. And it's like it's that primary hormone
Speaker 1: in almost every cell of a man's body has testosterone receptors.
Speaker 1: We know the most important things that testosterone does in
Speaker 1: male bodies. And the brain is like sort of the
Speaker 1: area we want to really protect from low testosterone now,
Speaker 1: estrogen is important in men also, but it's of secondary importance.
Speaker 1: So how does imbalance occur. Well, either men will have
Speaker 1: a high estrogen, low testosterone, or a really low testosterone
Speaker 1: that causes that imbalance to occur. So, if your testosterone's
Speaker 1: really low, you're going to have high estrogen relative to testosterone.
Speaker 1: If your testosterone's normal and your estrogen's really high, you're
Speaker 1: going to have an imbalance between estrogen and testosterone. And
Speaker 1: where does that high estrogen come from and the low
Speaker 1: testosterone come from. Well, the standard American diet, which maybe
Speaker 1: the standard Canadian diet also is high in processed foods
Speaker 1: and meat and sugar in foods that don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of nutrient density. Nutrient dense foods support a lytic
Speaker 1: cells to produce testosterone, specifically vitamin D, zinc, magnesium. These
Speaker 1: are all cofactors that are really important in testosterone production.
Speaker 1: So men that are eating a processed diet or a
Speaker 1: diet that is not prolific in plants and vegetables are
Speaker 1: not going to have the cofactors that support the production
Speaker 1: of testosterone, and so the testosterone levels will drop. Even naturally,
Speaker 1: testosterone levels drop as men age at age thirty and beyond,
Speaker 1: like one percent reduction and testosterone per year on average
Speaker 1: in men, So they have to do the things that
Speaker 1: are needed to support testosterone production. Working out supports testosterone production,
Speaker 1: So when you work out, your testosterone levels go up.
Speaker 1: If you don't work out, if your sedentary and eating
Speaker 1: a sort of a non nutrient dense diet, your testosterone
Speaker 1: production is going to tank. And I became even more
Speaker 1: interested after COVID because inflammation reduces testosterone production, and COVID
Speaker 1: is an inflammatory virus, and a lot of the men
Speaker 1: that had COVID have inflammation in their bodies even post COVID.
Speaker 1: And so if men, for example, are inflamed and testosterone
Speaker 1: production is low and then they drink alcohol, which a
Speaker 1: lot of them do as a normal part of their lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Alcohol also damages lighting cells, but it also reduces the
Speaker 1: clearance of estrogen, so that can create an imbalance also
Speaker 1: in the body of men. And so here we're looking
Speaker 1: at you like a healthy, whole food, plant based lifestyle
Speaker 1: that with minimal alcohol use can actually shift that hormone balance,
Speaker 1: and that is what we're trying to achieve.
Speaker 2: A couple questions at what age should men start to
Speaker 2: think about this and perhaps go to see their doctor.
Speaker 1: So for men, I don't know that there's a defined
Speaker 1: age to check it. I start checking it around age
Speaker 1: mid forties is when I check the testosterone level. And
Speaker 1: if a man comes in and they have anxiety or depression,
Speaker 1: or their mood is down, or they're gaining weight or
Speaker 1: they're developing gynecomastia or breasts, something's off. So if a
Speaker 1: man starts to feel the mood is a big tip
Speaker 1: off that the testosterone levels may be dropping because the
Speaker 1: testosterone does assist in that sense of vitality, that sense
Speaker 1: of well being, and when those levels drop, the mood
Speaker 1: is the first thing that can you know, kind of
Speaker 1: indicate that there's a hormone imbalance. And so men should
Speaker 1: if that happens in a man's early forties, even they
Speaker 1: should have their physicians check a free and total testosterone level.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that was actually my next question. When they
Speaker 2: go to their doctor, what should they should be asking
Speaker 2: for free and total testosterone anything else that should be checked.
Speaker 1: What should be checked also is a d GA level
Speaker 1: and an estrogen level for men, So the dh because
Speaker 1: then the the you can actually look at, you know,
Speaker 1: is there an imbalance. The DHA is a hormone produced
Speaker 1: by the adrenals. It's an important hormone for men and
Speaker 1: for women that offers resilience, but it's also a precursor
Speaker 1: to testosterone. So like, if you're really stressed, either the
Speaker 1: DHA is going to be really high and with chronic stress,
Speaker 1: and I think we address this in the last episode
Speaker 1: the if you're really stressed, that the DHA can go
Speaker 1: way up and convert into testosterone. But if you're chronically stressed,
Speaker 1: the DHA can go down, and that's what we call
Speaker 1: adrenal burnout and a lot of people are suffering from
Speaker 1: that now. So the DHA sulfate would be a good
Speaker 1: hormone to check along with the testosterone level, so the
Speaker 1: physician can see is it the low DHA that's causing
Speaker 1: a reduction in the testosterone because the precursor for testosterone
Speaker 1: is low, or are there other factors that could be
Speaker 1: causing that. So you can see it gets complicated, but
Speaker 1: it's important for a physician to be able to help
Speaker 1: their male patients. This is a very important aspect of
Speaker 1: men's health that is really not addressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and likely as women, they have to find someone
Speaker 2: who knows what they're doing exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's become an industry now, So it's really
Speaker 1: important to have like a scientific, evidence based approach versus
Speaker 1: run to like the first thing that's going to increase
Speaker 1: your tea, because that itself can create an imbalance.
Speaker 2: And what are some of the things that you do
Speaker 2: for your patients. If there's a male who comes in
Speaker 2: and you've done some testing, what are some of the
Speaker 2: options for them?
Speaker 1: So if their testosterone is low, for example, I will
Speaker 1: put them on a bioidentical testosterone which is plant based
Speaker 1: that is compounded in the compounding pharmacy. It's non petroleum
Speaker 1: based like the regular pharmaceutical testosterone, and it is bioidentical
Speaker 1: to their body's testosterone. So I will order that through
Speaker 1: the compounding pharmacy and then check their level in a
Speaker 1: couple of months to see if I've been able to
Speaker 1: bring their level to like mid range. Depends on the man.
Speaker 1: So some men and feel great even if it's a
Speaker 1: little bit above the low end of normal and all
Speaker 1: their symptoms go away. Some men need a higher free
Speaker 1: testosterone level in order for their vitality to return, and
Speaker 1: over time they may not need that, but initially they may,
Speaker 1: so again, this is a really customized approach to each male.
Speaker 1: And so that's where I start, along with the education
Speaker 1: of a plant dense diet that they need to be
Speaker 1: on in order to support the metabolism of those hormones.
Speaker 2: And if someone doesn't want to go on bioidentical hormones
Speaker 2: or any kind of hormones, is there anything else maybe
Speaker 2: naturally that they could do well.
Speaker 1: Exercise and then make sure the vitamin D level is normal,
Speaker 1: make sure the zinc level is normal, that they're getting
Speaker 1: plenty of zinc in their diet because those two. Vitamin
Speaker 1: D is considered a hormone now because it really enhances
Speaker 1: the production of testosterone, but it also reduces the activity
Speaker 1: of the protein that binds testosterone because if the testosterone's bound,
Speaker 1: it's not bioavailable to the cell, and so vitamin D
Speaker 1: kind of balances that free and total testosterone so that
Speaker 1: it's more bioavailable to the cell. And magnesium does the
Speaker 1: same thing. So I'll start them on magnesium. I'll make
Speaker 1: sure their D level is normal, they'll go on a
Speaker 1: zinc supplement, or make sure that they're eating foods that
Speaker 1: are prolific in zinc such as such as you know,
Speaker 1: nuts seeds, hemp. Hemp seeds are really a great source
Speaker 1: of zinc. Well, beef is a great source of zinc,
Speaker 1: but look, hemp seeds do a better job. You know,
Speaker 1: they're equivalent in terms of the amount of zinc that
Speaker 1: they hold without the saturated fat. Why because saturated fat
Speaker 1: reduces testosterone because it interferes with the biome and the
Speaker 1: metabolism of the hormone. So make sure they're getting plenty
Speaker 1: of Lentils that are soaked are cooked for a long time,
Speaker 1: because lentils have a certain anti nutrient phytate in that
Speaker 1: that actually interferes with the absorption of zinc. So if
Speaker 1: you're cooking it correctly, you'll actually absorb the zinc in legumes,
Speaker 1: which are prolific in zinc.
Speaker 2: What about canned lentsils, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I don't know the answer to that. I don't
Speaker 1: know how the canned are made, so I never eat
Speaker 1: canned lentils. Lentils are easy to cook.
Speaker 2: So you're a proponent of the dry. Okay, so dry
Speaker 2: and soaked.
Speaker 1: It's a little more work, but not a lot, and
Speaker 1: it's a lot tastier. I know, what's going into it.
Speaker 2: And since we're talking about food now like we did
Speaker 2: in the female bouncing hormone episode, what are some other
Speaker 2: foods that you recommend when it comes to bouncing hormones
Speaker 2: for males I their situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, if we're looking at a whole food plant
Speaker 1: based diet, lots of nutrient dense greens, they're really important.
Speaker 1: Fiber foods that are fibrous like again, nutrient dense greens,
Speaker 1: and complex carbohydrates like beans and lentils, and seeds, nuts
Speaker 1: and seeds, so cashews, almonds, and then seeds, pumpkin seeds,
Speaker 1: pine nuts, some pine nuts, pinenuts are very high in fat,
Speaker 1: avocados and as well as you know, sunflower seeds, hemp seeds.
Speaker 1: Those are a diet that is high in those foods
Speaker 1: provide fiber to the microbiome and your microbiome, which is
Speaker 1: the gut flora. They do all the heavy lifting and
Speaker 1: all the work to balance hormones. So that is an
Speaker 1: essential component of the body that works in tandem with
Speaker 1: the liver. The liver deactivates the amount of hormone that
Speaker 1: is not necessary and it works with the gut biome
Speaker 1: to create balance in the body. So if we eat
Speaker 1: foods that nourish the liver, that keep it clean, that
Speaker 1: nourish the microbiome, and then you exercise. I mean, so
Speaker 1: what we're talking now is a very simple lifestyle. These
Speaker 1: are lifestyle changes that can enhance the production of testosterone
Speaker 1: and then do that for two months, three months, and
Speaker 1: then check your levels and see if they've improved. So
Speaker 1: that would be the way that if you don't want
Speaker 1: to go on hormones, you have to improve your lifestyle
Speaker 1: in order to or ans it in order to bring
Speaker 1: your hormones back into balance or actually improve the production
Speaker 1: of testosterone.
Speaker 2: And one last question on the food side of things.
Speaker 2: In the other episode we did for female hormones, we
Speaker 2: talked about non gmo organic soy. When it comes to men,
Speaker 2: should they be eating.
Speaker 1: The same thing, same thing because men too are producing estrogen,
Speaker 1: and organic soy non gmo protects the estrogen receptors from
Speaker 1: too much estrogen stimulation. So if men have high estrogen
Speaker 1: in their system, the organic soy can help. It is
Speaker 1: protective on the receptor where the too much estrogen is
Speaker 1: bombarding and stimulating that receptor.
Speaker 2: So is it a myth? Then when you know you
Speaker 2: hear sometimes people say, well, I don't want to have soy,
Speaker 2: it's going to give me boobs something like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: is that is that a myth?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it is because alcohol will give you
Speaker 1: more boobs than SOI will. SOI does not create boobs. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he protects you from developing boobs.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever talked about this on the show.
Speaker 2: But Okay, as a male, well yeah, well this is
Speaker 2: what they're worried about, right, they don't think they should
Speaker 2: eat any soy.
Speaker 1: I think it's important for men and women to have
Speaker 1: like a basic understanding of physiology. We all have a body.
Speaker 1: We should kind of understand like the basics of how
Speaker 1: our body functions. I mean, I actually have a webinar
Speaker 1: on my website called how the Body Works and how
Speaker 1: all the systems work in sync together. It's a very
Speaker 1: basic webinar. It's free so that people can learn, you know,
Speaker 1: what does it How do these systems in our body
Speaker 1: work together. It doesn't talk scifically about soy and mail boobs,
Speaker 1: but it talks about like the different systems and how
Speaker 1: they work and sync together. And you know, sadly, I
Speaker 1: think that most people don't have any idea, Like we're
Speaker 1: not taught in school and health class how the body works.
Speaker 1: And I think that it's since we all have a body,
Speaker 1: we should have a basic knowledge of how our body works.
Speaker 1: And you know, social media has done a disservice to
Speaker 1: the health industry, and I'll call it an industry because
Speaker 1: you know, anything that has a majority opinion for some
Speaker 1: reason ends up becoming truth and that is not and
Speaker 1: it's not really scientific because if a hundred people say
Speaker 1: that soy is bad, and then everyone starts believing that
Speaker 1: soy is bad, but the data shows otherwise, and so
Speaker 1: people before people believe what they hear through social media
Speaker 1: or through the media, they should look things up and
Speaker 1: you know, do their homework or ask their physician or
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many ways to vet the information
Speaker 1: that you're getting because we at the end of the
Speaker 1: day want to do what's good for our body.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy to add the link to your webinar
Speaker 2: in the show notes just as a resource for people,
Speaker 2: the one that you were mentioning on physiology. If someone
Speaker 2: wants to read up on this more, this episode is
Speaker 2: peak their interest. They want to know more. Is there
Speaker 2: any research evidence based research that you can direct someone to.
Speaker 1: I can send you some links afterwards after the show
Speaker 1: that people can access. There's really not a whole lot
Speaker 1: researched on, you know, say, testosterone and men, because it's
Speaker 1: really not been a interesting science in men's health and
Speaker 1: women's health. Because it's not this is not normalized in
Speaker 1: primary care. Most primary care physicians don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with this. Integrative physicians, we do our best to
Speaker 1: provide safe information that's evidence based for our patients. But
Speaker 1: really women have not been studied well in terms of bioidenticals.
Speaker 1: Men have not been studied in terms of bioidenticals and testosterone.
Speaker 1: There's information about on the NIH website. PubMed has information
Speaker 1: about testosterone and cognition. I would invite men to look
Speaker 1: at Dave Bredson's book The End of Alzheimer's just as
Speaker 1: a preventative. It's got so much incredible information in it
Speaker 1: about how neuroplasticity is connected directly to testosterone levels in men.
Speaker 1: And in my practice, in my clinical experience, the men
Speaker 1: that I've seen that have mild cognitive impairment and low
Speaker 1: testosterone levels, I've changed their diets. I've put them on
Speaker 1: testosterone've put them on if they need it, and within
Speaker 1: months their cognition has improved. I mean it's almost miraculous,
Speaker 1: but it's really not a miracle. It's good science, it's
Speaker 1: good medicine.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. And before we end the show, I do
Speaker 2: want to address one I don't know if you'd call
Speaker 2: the elephant in the room, but we didn't talk about
Speaker 2: it in the other episode. The cost of.
Speaker 1: The cost of testosterone.
Speaker 2: BHRT even going to integrate to physicians. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: outside the financial capabilities of people. A lot of people
Speaker 2: just can't afford to go see an integrated physician the
Speaker 2: bioidentical hormones. So how much does that cost relative to
Speaker 2: let's say something that's FDA approved or even something over
Speaker 2: the counter.
Speaker 1: So over the counter testosterone. I would not do any
Speaker 1: over the counter supplements for hormones because they're unregulated. And
Speaker 1: even if it's cheaper like DHA you can get it
Speaker 1: over the counter, it's disastrous to take it without regulation
Speaker 1: and without checking levels. So that's one thing. Testosterone per se,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, is not available over the counter.
Speaker 1: In terms of FDA approved testosterone. It is way unaffordable
Speaker 1: it's like two hundred dollars a month, and most insurances
Speaker 1: will not cover that because this is not a normalized
Speaker 1: issue in men. So unless you have like a disease
Speaker 1: that is where you're or a condition where you're not
Speaker 1: producing testosterone for regular preventative improvement of your levels, it's
Speaker 1: not covered. So the compounding pharmacies, they vary from pharmacy
Speaker 1: to pharmacy in terms of cost. The compounding pharmacy that
Speaker 1: I use, it's about thirty dollars a month, so it's
Speaker 1: way cheaper than the FDA regulated testosterone, which smells bad
Speaker 1: and is trolleium based. Like integrative medicine, it's the variance
Speaker 1: in cost for a physician is mind boggling. I'm the
Speaker 1: cheapest deal in TEL. I mean I've christ myself in
Speaker 1: an affordable way so that people can access me, because
Speaker 1: people deserve to be able to access Look for an
Speaker 1: affordable integrative physician and make sure that they have a
Speaker 1: good reputation and that ask people how are they you know,
Speaker 1: word of mouth and.
Speaker 2: If someone wants to contact you, where can they find you?
Speaker 1: They can go online at www dot omani center dot com,
Speaker 1: o m m a Ni center dot com. The phone
Speaker 1: number at the center is two six' two six nine
Speaker 1: five five three one. One and if they want to
Speaker 1: have a tele consult, or you, know have me oversee
Speaker 1: their hormone, management they can send me an email through the.
Speaker 1: Website you, know my staff will get back to. Them
Speaker 1: so it's REALLY i think it's important at least to
Speaker 1: get the information not just from, me but from multiple
Speaker 1: sources so that you're satisfied and you feel aligned with
Speaker 1: what your physician is recommending for. You it's not a
Speaker 1: one size fits. ALL i have some patients that basically
Speaker 1: consult me for. Information you, know my physician's doing, This
Speaker 1: what SHOULD i ask? Them you, know teach me WHAT
Speaker 1: i need to understand so that they're informed and they're you,
Speaker 1: know basically a more informed. Patient so when they go
Speaker 1: meet with their, physician they know what questions to ask
Speaker 1: and you, know whether or not if they're not feeling
Speaker 1: well on what that physician's got them, doing you know
Speaker 1: what does that? Mean SO i think that in that
Speaker 1: kind of information is empowering and people deserve to have.
Speaker 1: That you should have, That, yes we, Should, yeah you
Speaker 1: should want to have.
Speaker 2: Them, wow this is another terrific. Episode thank you, again thank.
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