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Speaker 2: You don't want to.
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Speaker 6: This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
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Speaker 2: This ain't my first time at the rodeos.
Speaker 7: M m hm.
Speaker 5: This episode we got myself obviously, and we got a
Speaker 5: couple of the rejects with us today, and we've got
Speaker 5: Bennett joining us from broadcasting Seeds today. I'll let everybody
Speaker 5: go around and introduce themselves. Lisa, what is going on?
Speaker 5: The mid scientist?
Speaker 7: How?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 9: How are you? I am excited this. When you sent
Speaker 9: me the notification on the title, I was like, this
Speaker 9: is gonna be a killer episode. Can't wait.
Speaker 2: No pun intended.
Speaker 9: Killer ye ye, pun totally intended. So I'm really looking for.
Speaker 9: Julie usually brings the heat I love when she covers,
Speaker 9: especially serial killers or whatever. It's it's always a fun ride.
Speaker 9: So thank you so much for having me on and
Speaker 9: invite me on.
Speaker 5: Oh of course, thank you. I'm glad you can make
Speaker 5: it and we got Brooke joining us as well tonight.
Speaker 5: What is going on?
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm happy to be here with the fellow rejects
Speaker 1: as well. I'm super excited to get into this topic.
Speaker 5: Yes, definitely should be something something interesting. Just put the
Speaker 5: name you're like, what's the fun? So awesome and thank
Speaker 5: you very much for joining us. And we got Jewels
Speaker 5: from Great Pill Podcast. What is going on? Man?
Speaker 10: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 10: What's up?
Speaker 3: Everybody? Jewels the Great Pill Podcast. You probably see me
Speaker 3: on here a lot. I'm more into the occult esoteric
Speaker 3: realm of things, but I do love true crime and
Speaker 3: the pair of political so it's always fun to get
Speaker 3: in on these conversations.
Speaker 10: And I appreciate you invite me man.
Speaker 3: Y'all go find me on Patreon, Patreon dot com, slash
Speaker 3: Great Pill Podcast.
Speaker 10: You get a free sticker pack and yeah.
Speaker 5: Awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. And yeah,
Speaker 5: for the other people who may not know who he
Speaker 5: is yet, I mean, even though he's been on the
Speaker 5: show a few times, he does cover occult stuff and
Speaker 5: he does like specific topics. We've had him on for
Speaker 5: one of them. I highly suggest to go check out
Speaker 5: his channel if you're into the oculty does have stuff
Speaker 5: that's worthy of listening to. So thank you very much
Speaker 5: for joining us. Jewels, I appreciate it. And we got
Speaker 5: Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. What is going on?
Speaker 4: My man?
Speaker 5: I'm so happy you were able to join us today.
Speaker 4: How how is everybody? I appreciate you having me on again?
Speaker 4: Bennett Tanton from Broadcasting Seeds Broadcasting Seeds dot Com. I
Speaker 4: pretty much talk about everything in the High Strangeness realm
Speaker 4: from and I would include true crime in that too,
Speaker 4: because some of that shit gets freaky. So so yeah,
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on, and it's a pleasure
Speaker 4: to be here.
Speaker 5: Of course. No, thank you very much. I was just
Speaker 5: on your show recently. I had a blast, so I'm
Speaker 5: happy to have you.
Speaker 4: Good time.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, yeah, it was good chat, good chat. And finally,
Speaker 5: you know the guests of the hour, hour and a
Speaker 5: half Julia from Cosmic Peach. What is going on? Julia?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 2: What's up? Nick? I'm so excited for this one. Thanks
Speaker 2: for having me on to present this. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: a blast. And obviously I've covered similar topics like this
Speaker 2: before on Occult Rejects. As far as the program Serial Killers,
Speaker 2: and the like. But this one I found on my own.
Speaker 2: This one did not come from the Program to Kill book.
Speaker 2: But I feel like if David McGowan would have known
Speaker 2: about this guy, he would have been in the book
Speaker 2: because damn, you know, there is a lot of connections
Speaker 2: with this guy to the whole Program to Kill Blueprint.
Speaker 2: And you'll see that as as the presentation moves along.
Speaker 2: But so you look at this Bennett first comment of
Speaker 2: the night s ASMR channel they want you to read
Speaker 2: them bedtime stories.
Speaker 4: I was always I've always been told that I should
Speaker 4: be doing a bedtime stories with uncle Bennett.
Speaker 2: So we have we have jewels over here. Sounds like
Speaker 2: fucking Matthew McConaughey, Bill be reading kids bedtime stories, ghost
Speaker 2: bedtime stories. This is gonna be an interesting This is
Speaker 2: gonna be a really good show. I already have a
Speaker 2: feeling already.
Speaker 4: It was a dark and stormy night.
Speaker 10: That's not the first time I've heard that.
Speaker 7: Love.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so obviously I want you guys to bust
Speaker 2: in if you have any questions or anything like that,
Speaker 2: and or if you I mean, are you guys familiar
Speaker 2: with this guy at all? Randy Kraft, have you heard
Speaker 2: about him. Do you know what he did anything?
Speaker 10: I know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like legit. I mean, well, part of it
Speaker 4: is because I was in the Marines and he killed
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of Marines. So oh that's how I know.
Speaker 1: Well, when I saw the topic for the show, I
Speaker 1: did research thinking we were going to be talking about
Speaker 1: the government cheese stores.
Speaker 5: So no, yeah, that's what I was hoping for too.
Speaker 5: Even when I made the thumbnail, I was like, yo, cha,
Speaker 5: GPD can throw fucking cheese in the picture.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I always get pissed off because a
Speaker 2: lot like what's talked about in Program to Kill is
Speaker 2: how these guys get these like super Bitch and monikers
Speaker 2: like Green River Killer, Hillside Strangler, BTK, you Bye, Torture Kill,
Speaker 2: and they go down as like these mega villains and histories,
Speaker 2: you know, deadly at crime and all that. They almost
Speaker 2: get like sensationalized and almost like they're a celebrity or
Speaker 2: something because they get these like the Zodiac Killer and
Speaker 2: shit like that. So Randy Kraft is actually known by
Speaker 2: many things. He's known as the Scorecard Killer, the Southern
Speaker 2: California Strangler. But I gave him my own moniker because
Speaker 2: I think obviously if you have a last name like
Speaker 2: Craft and you are in the Army I think air Force.
Speaker 2: Actually he's in the air Force. His last name is Craft,
Speaker 2: and he's a piece of human dog shit, and so
Speaker 2: he deserves to have a ridiculous moniker because he's a
Speaker 2: ridiculous person. And so I named him the Government Cheese
Speaker 2: Killer because yeah, fuck this guy. He doesn't get to
Speaker 2: go down as like history's mega villain. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: he just doesn't like this some of the stuff. It
Speaker 2: is so repulsive. It was hard for me to almost
Speaker 2: get through the research because it was turning my stomach
Speaker 2: like inside out. And I couldn't believe I had never
Speaker 2: heard of this guy before. You hear about all of
Speaker 2: like the top dogs like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, the
Speaker 2: Zodiac that those, they're all infamous and everybody knows about him.
Speaker 2: But my husband was listening to this podcast the other
Speaker 2: day and they were talking about Randy Kraft and like
Speaker 2: all this stuff he did, and I was like, who
Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy? And then you look at
Speaker 2: his crimes and you're like, what the actual fuck is this?
Speaker 2: You know, it's it deserves definitely its own episode, But
Speaker 2: at the end of this, I'm actually going to show
Speaker 2: you how he could have been possibly confused for like
Speaker 2: three other guys who were doing the same thing around
Speaker 2: the same time, and whether or not they knew about
Speaker 2: each other remains a mystery, But it just seems odd
Speaker 2: that three serial killers would be in the same area,
Speaker 2: perpetrating almost identical crimes to each other, all in the
Speaker 2: southern California area, and not know about each other. It
Speaker 2: just seems a little bit too much for coincidence in
Speaker 2: my opinion. But yeah, did you guys have any questions
Speaker 2: about this guy before we get started, I.
Speaker 1: Just want to say I like that you gave him
Speaker 1: a crappy name to go with it, because it kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me a btk. He wanted to be called
Speaker 1: something cool, He wanted that notoriety, and you're right, they
Speaker 1: just don't deserve it.
Speaker 2: They don't, right, Thank you, Broke. It's like you don't
Speaker 2: get to go down as like buying torture killed. Did
Speaker 2: you see that guy? First off, his name is fucking Dennis.
Speaker 2: His name is Dennis, and he looks like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: does look like a Dennis, And he wore these fucking
Speaker 2: huge ass eighties dad glasses and he like helped out
Speaker 2: at his church's youth group or something like that. If
Speaker 2: you saw him, if you saw Dennis Raider at Walmart,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, for sure he has like a boy
Speaker 2: scout camp somewhere that he runs like. He just looked
Speaker 2: like this totally upstanding, like nerd, douchebag guy that you know,
Speaker 2: this is your typical you know co in eighties dad.
Speaker 2: But no, he's buying torture kill crazy shit, right, So.
Speaker 9: Julia, isn't it weird that like most of these notorious
Speaker 9: or infamous killers are from southern California or Southern California esque,
Speaker 9: or they visited southern California or they have some sort
Speaker 9: of association with Southern California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lisa is hitting it right on the head with that,
Speaker 2: because if you read Programmed to Kill, one of the
Speaker 2: things that he talks about is how just in California alone,
Speaker 2: like all of these Cereal Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer,
Speaker 2: you know, Randy krat Richard Ramirez, I mean, they all
Speaker 2: come out of California. And it is even documented that
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy flew to California for a considerable period a
Speaker 2: time when it was doing something before he went back
Speaker 2: to Seattle and became the ripper that we just do.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was doing something.
Speaker 4: He's a Mormon. I don't know if people know that he.
Speaker 2: And he had the complete backing support of his local
Speaker 2: Mormon church the first time he got arrested, and they
Speaker 2: all made fucking signs for him, and they said we
Speaker 2: love Ted, and they were outside the courthouse rubbing their
Speaker 2: fucking nipples. He go, Ted is a good guy, Ted, Like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? He's literally a fucking rapist, murderer.
Speaker 2: It just kills me. It kills me, like you guys
Speaker 2: are supposed to have great intuition and be so close
Speaker 2: to the Lord, and you guys got Joseph Smith and
Speaker 2: all this shit going on. You're supposed to be all,
Speaker 2: you know, intuitive, and you got literally a poster saying
Speaker 2: we love Ted. He probably raped and murdered sixty your
Speaker 2: kids and you gotta sign outside the court ouse saying
Speaker 2: we love Ted. Like that, to me is how crazy
Speaker 2: all of this gets. Because these people side and plain sight,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that it's an accident. I think
Speaker 2: it's by design. They're master manipulators. They're highly functioning psychopaths,
Speaker 2: and I think that they are chosen because of this
Speaker 2: to be a part of these programs highly functioning psychopaths, narcissists, manipulative,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, you don't get chosen
Speaker 2: to be a part of the program to kill academy
Speaker 2: if you're just like a normal guy who has a
Speaker 2: podcast and works for progressive you know, that's you're not
Speaker 2: going to get chosen.
Speaker 3: And that kind of leads into like, you know, how
Speaker 3: how long were these people prepped before they started to
Speaker 3: commit these crimes, like where they kidnapped as children, where
Speaker 3: they bred into it, you know, and that goes into
Speaker 3: s R and a whole nother uh, you know, a
Speaker 3: whole a whole other topic.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, Jules think think of it like this.
Speaker 2: They set up all these gifted and talented programs at
Speaker 2: schools looking for something. Okay, they set up a lot
Speaker 2: of programs for young kids. Then they're clearly looking for something,
Speaker 2: you know, They're they're organizing field trips. Like there's a
Speaker 2: story about Jeffrey Dahmer going on a school field trip
Speaker 2: to Washington and he makes some kind of anomaloust phone
Speaker 2: call to who we don't know, and he is able
Speaker 2: to arrange a private tour of the White House for
Speaker 2: him and all of his uh student friends in his class,
Speaker 2: Like why who the fuck did he call? And how
Speaker 2: does he know somebody at the White House where he
Speaker 2: could call and arrange a private tour for him in
Speaker 2: his class?
Speaker 10: Matter ask those questions.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, it's like, all right, everybody knows
Speaker 2: about that. Everybody knows that Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh, he's so funny.
Speaker 2: He made a phone call and he got this private
Speaker 2: tour at the White House. He's also said to be
Speaker 2: a highly functioning psychopath, a narcissist, manipulative. He was in
Speaker 2: the army. I mean, it's like, I think that they
Speaker 2: find these kids at a young age, and I think
Speaker 2: that they're looking for these specific markers and if you
Speaker 2: fit the you know, whatever it is, if you check
Speaker 2: all the boxes, you get to be a part of
Speaker 2: something like this. And most of the time I think
Speaker 2: that they are programmed to either forget their crimes or
Speaker 2: to not even remember that they've been programmed at all,
Speaker 2: kind of like Manchurian candidates. It's like, go out, they
Speaker 2: do this stuff, they come back, they don't even remember
Speaker 2: doing it, or they don't remember being programmed to do it.
Speaker 2: And you know a lot of people's oh, not everything is, CIA,
Speaker 2: Not everything is, And that's true, But there is a
Speaker 2: blueprint actually that you can look for. Not every serial
Speaker 2: killer meets that criteria, but the ones that do, it's
Speaker 2: too much in common to just be a coincidence. And
Speaker 2: this guy is one of them, just like Ted Bundy Dahmer.
Speaker 2: They all fit this blueprint and this guy and.
Speaker 5: I just want to add, sorry to interrupt you, but
Speaker 5: real quick before you go. And I know it's going
Speaker 5: off a little off topic, but like you had mentioned somebody,
Speaker 5: uh yeah, he got to go to the White House.
Speaker 5: I mean even when Gaysey was in prison, he had
Speaker 5: I forgot what you call it, but it's like when
Speaker 5: you just have one hole in golf that you just
Speaker 5: keep on trying to get it in. You had one
Speaker 5: of those installed in the prison he was in. How
Speaker 5: you get this dumb while.
Speaker 4: You're in jail.
Speaker 2: He also had like McDonald's delivered to his fucking cell,
Speaker 2: and he had like civilian clothing delivered to him, and
Speaker 2: he had like all this stuff. He has a picture
Speaker 2: of him in the first lady.
Speaker 5: Just ye close to the carters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: he used to run that. He used to run a
Speaker 5: parade in his town.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so he was a part of the j
Speaker 2: c S, which like trained in prison in to like, yes,
Speaker 2: he was a part of the Jaycy. I mean that,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about if you look, because Ted
Speaker 2: Bundy was also involved in politics, and you know, he
Speaker 2: was a Mormon. He was you know, as been. It
Speaker 2: was saying, he was really involved in his community, and
Speaker 2: it made people think like, oh, they couldn't he couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly be doing this stuff because he's such a stand
Speaker 2: up guy. Look at him. He's great. And it's by
Speaker 2: design that these guys just blend right in. Just like
Speaker 2: BTK he's like helping out at his church and he's like,
Speaker 2: you know whatever. So it's not an accident that these
Speaker 2: guys are master chameleons and they just kind of like
Speaker 2: you know, blend into their surroundings. This guy, Randy Kraft,
Speaker 2: he was enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and
Speaker 2: he was also involved in some kind of campaign rallies
Speaker 2: for Barry Goldwater in nineteen sixty four. And he was
Speaker 2: also like really involved in supporting the Vietnam war, and
Speaker 2: that was like his first taste of like becoming political.
Speaker 2: And he actually ended up organizing campaign rallies for Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 2: and he got real tight with Robert F. Kennedy, and
Speaker 2: he got like some kind of letter of recognition or
Speaker 2: something from Robert F. Kennedy because he was helping him
Speaker 2: out so much with his campaign. So again, if you
Speaker 2: look for like the subtle clues in the background, they're
Speaker 2: always going to be there somehow political, somehow in a
Speaker 2: gifted and talented program at school, highly functioning psychopath narcissists.
Speaker 2: It's like always hidden somewhere in there, and if you
Speaker 2: look hard enough, you'll find it. So a lot like
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer and Teddy Randy Craft also seems to be
Speaker 2: able to elude police officers multiple times or downright just
Speaker 2: get away with shit, get arrested and get almost no bail,
Speaker 2: a very small bail, or not arrested at all, Like
Speaker 2: how like that has to be another part of the
Speaker 2: blueprint is how can you keep getting arrested? How can
Speaker 2: you keep getting in trouble for the same bullshit over
Speaker 2: and over again and nothing ever happened to you, Like
Speaker 2: in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he had victims that
Speaker 2: actually got returned back to him by police officer.
Speaker 5: Story. It's like, how to come on.
Speaker 2: This guy did too Randy Craft police officers brought a
Speaker 2: victim who just said that guy raped me in the asshole,
Speaker 2: beat me over the head, drugged me, molested me. He
Speaker 2: was in the hospital. They took him back to Randy
Speaker 2: Craft's apartment, never filed any charges against him, He didn't
Speaker 2: even get he didn't even get a night in jail,
Speaker 2: and just skirt it on the whole thing. That was
Speaker 2: his first victim. So again, if you look at this stuff,
Speaker 2: it's too much to be a coincidence, Like, how does
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy who have so much in
Speaker 2: comment from their past end up getting victims returned to
Speaker 2: them no jail time they alluded to release at every stop.
Speaker 5: I Mean, another common thing I've noticed too is this
Speaker 5: could maybe just be happens, you know, just coincidental. But
Speaker 5: you will also get a lot of people where it's
Speaker 5: like if they would have gone to jail either for
Speaker 5: the right amount of time for the first crime they
Speaker 5: committed or things that they should have gotten arrested for
Speaker 5: to begin with, all this other shit never would have happened, dude,
Speaker 5: you know, like Bundy Gacy and this guy, if they
Speaker 5: would have gotten court or case, you would have stayed
Speaker 5: in jail as long as you would have supposed to
Speaker 5: have had first time. We wouldn't have killed all.
Speaker 4: These other folks.
Speaker 1: And Charles Manson the same thing happened with him. He
Speaker 1: was arrested and let go a lot.
Speaker 4: Wow, these guys there, many of these serial killer guys,
Speaker 4: right that the folk they're they just what ends up
Speaker 4: happening is that they they're nice, clean cut guys, right,
Speaker 4: And it's all a persona literally a dual personality, right,
Speaker 4: And most of them are highly intelligent, and they do
Speaker 4: this stuff to just cover it up, and they end
Speaker 4: up getting into positions where they wheeld influence. That's part
Speaker 4: of the reason they get into politics, right. I mean
Speaker 4: they literally, you know, uh, mold themselves into high functioning
Speaker 4: organized killers because that's the one thing about Craft is
Speaker 4: he's so organized, well, all of them, don or Bundy,
Speaker 4: so they're able to get away with it for so long.
Speaker 4: You know, they're polished, intelligent, well integrated into society, all
Speaker 4: that stuff, respectable. They put that respectable mask on.
Speaker 2: And sometimes they even you know, I feel like they
Speaker 2: go out of their ways to even pick kind of
Speaker 2: attractive people because you do hear about, like there's one
Speaker 2: that I really want to talk to you guys about
Speaker 2: in a future episode. His name is Rodney Alcola. He's
Speaker 2: also known as the Dating Game Killer, and they made
Speaker 2: a movie about him on Netflix is called The Woman
Speaker 2: of the Hour and it talks about his crimes and stuff.
Speaker 2: What they won't tell you in that movie though, or
Speaker 2: any Netflix documentary, is this guy's also definitely fits the
Speaker 2: blueprint for program to Kill. But he's a good fucking
Speaker 2: looking guy. He's like a fair of faucet haircuted, fucking
Speaker 2: freak strangler and if you saw the guy, you would
Speaker 2: definitely be interested in him. Like some people talk about
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy was attractive, Rodney, I'll call it was like
Speaker 2: a Native American guy or something like that. He had
Speaker 2: like real dark hair, you know, tall, dark and handsome,
Speaker 2: ended up fucking raping and murdering one hundred and thirty women.
Speaker 2: Like that's to me, it's like they go out of
Speaker 2: their way to like find attractive, extremely intelligent, manipulative psychopaths
Speaker 2: to be a part of this, you know, the only one.
Speaker 9: You're saying, Julia. What you're saying, Julia is that them
Speaker 9: and the pharmaceutical reps also look for attractive people too.
Speaker 2: One hundred. The pharmaceutical reps are horrible for that shit.
Speaker 2: They'll send like a girl with their tits half out
Speaker 2: pretty much up into a place that literally just gut
Speaker 2: these in like a handful of pills. And the thing
Speaker 2: that I love Chick fil A. The thing that I
Speaker 2: always say, though, is the one person I can think
Speaker 2: of that doesn't fit that uh stereotype would be John
Speaker 2: Wayne Gacy because he was just a fat, gross motherfucker,
Speaker 2: just a nasty He just looked like he like mopped
Speaker 2: floors at KFC, Like you just see him and be
Speaker 2: like gross.
Speaker 5: No, he did, if I remember correctly, No joke. Didn't
Speaker 5: he actually run KFCs before he started doing He.
Speaker 2: Did, He did, and he requested KFC for his last meal.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't one inspiration too for Captain Spaulding, so
Speaker 1: kind of the same vibe. I'm pretty sure when Rob
Speaker 1: Zombie was crafting his character that he played on that
Speaker 1: influence A big question for motherfucker Yea, he ant so
Speaker 1: and he and Captain Spaulding sells chicken right freaking gas station.
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny question.
Speaker 1: When you were when you were talking about how there's
Speaker 1: several I think you'll probably get to it, but how
Speaker 1: they were all some other active serial killers in the area.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you watched the show Sandman or not,
Speaker 1: but okay, So basically, there's this convention of serial killers
Speaker 1: that all come together once a year and they break
Speaker 1: off into many groups, like depending on if they're like
Speaker 1: religious killers or people who poison or go for organs,
Speaker 1: they like break up. When you said that, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you said they could be working together, my mind went there.
Speaker 1: And I know in the past on the Rejects, you
Speaker 1: guys have talked about a potentially a serial killer ring
Speaker 1: in the United States. I think that that's incredibly possible
Speaker 1: that they could have been, in some facet aware of
Speaker 1: what one another was doing.
Speaker 4: Forty eight serial killers in California, Julia, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: That's too much. I mean, that's too much. And it's
Speaker 2: like Brooke was saying, Actually, Nick, if maybe you were
Speaker 2: too high at the time, but maybe not, you could
Speaker 2: remember this. We actually covered the Sandman together in an
Speaker 2: episode called Netflix and Chill or something like that, do
Speaker 2: you remember, And we talked about that serial killer convention
Speaker 2: because it was like pedophile serial killer and they all
Speaker 2: get just go to this one one convention at a
Speaker 2: hotel and talk and exchange notes and like you know,
Speaker 2: trade secrets and ship like that, and they put their
Speaker 2: heads together. But it seems to.
Speaker 9: Me, kill a con by the way, kill a coon,
Speaker 9: Kill kill a con, Kill a con. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: That's that'd be a good I think in the show
Speaker 1: it was a serial convention, but like the Cereal you Eat?
Speaker 3: Oh, I was.
Speaker 2: Sitting here thinking like they had some kind of a cover.
Speaker 1: Of a magazine up and they're like, where's the fruit looves, Like,
Speaker 1: we don't see any cereal?
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: That's actually a really good show if anybody hasn't watched it.
Speaker 2: It's full of esoteric and occult symbolism, as Nick pointed
Speaker 2: out in the show we did together. But I do
Speaker 2: think they're aware of each other. I do think that
Speaker 2: some serial killers can just be random psychos that go
Speaker 2: nuts and just end up killing people. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say all of them are programmed killers, but the ones
Speaker 2: that you find that are almost sensationalized to a degree
Speaker 2: of becoming a celebrity or something like that. Or their
Speaker 2: crimes and their backgrounds are so similar to each other
Speaker 2: that you're like, what are the odds? Like they had
Speaker 2: to have known about each other. They're they're like killing
Speaker 2: their victims in the same exact way. They live a
Speaker 2: couple of blocks from each other. Like, how does this happen?
Speaker 9: You know they write letters to each other. I know
Speaker 9: that there have been a couple of people that Nick
Speaker 9: and I have covered that they were exchanging letters with
Speaker 9: each other. I think he was exchanging letters with BTK.
Speaker 2: Wasn't he shy?
Speaker 5: They're having conversations.
Speaker 9: They were having conversations that that is not uncommon for
Speaker 9: for these convicted serial killers, that they will exchange letters
Speaker 9: with each other.
Speaker 5: Well, we covered that to each.
Speaker 9: Other or whatever, Right, So do.
Speaker 5: You remember when we covered that. I can't remember exactly
Speaker 5: what it matched, but I saw it taking like bt
Speaker 5: K and putting certain words through Jamatra and like certain
Speaker 5: things were actually matching, like Oyster Bay or like the town,
Speaker 5: like the area where fucking should happened. I was like, yo,
Speaker 5: is this something like weird like cult stuff going on
Speaker 5: here in the news and.
Speaker 9: It was it was btk's daughter. And then the what
Speaker 9: was it, not the Sunshine killer, but the Smiley killer,
Speaker 9: not face killers, but.
Speaker 5: I don't know it was it was happy Face, happy
Speaker 5: Face killer, Happy.
Speaker 9: Face Happy his daughter and then btk's daughter came out
Speaker 9: and were in support of rex Hureman's family as well
Speaker 9: as her daughter and they were very vocal in protecting
Speaker 9: her and trying to provide some sort of support. Started
Speaker 9: up an entire goal fundme. We kind of did a
Speaker 9: little bit of background on the daughter of Happy Face.
Speaker 9: She's wanted for.
Speaker 4: And scam outists.
Speaker 9: She's like, but she has I think money crime.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a money crime and it's not illegal.
Speaker 5: We used to tell us we had a two week
Speaker 5: trial and we threw a name in there, and that's
Speaker 5: what came up. She's already committed crimes with money and
Speaker 5: the only reason like we were even getting into that,
Speaker 5: and you know, we can get back to the topic,
Speaker 5: but like when it comes to true crime, there is
Speaker 5: something in my opinion, you sawm looking at these it's
Speaker 5: always the weird ones are the ones that make no
Speaker 5: sense and seem off the wall that everybody's got gofundme's
Speaker 5: going on. It's a fucking grift. There's something going on.
Speaker 5: The people who are even involved in the crimes that
Speaker 5: possibly or even playing games with money, who the fuck knows,
Speaker 5: but something's up. There's always these weird gofundmi's going on,
Speaker 5: people raising them fifty grand so I can go watch
Speaker 5: the Colburger trial. What the fuck you need fifty grand?
Speaker 9: You go watch a trial for I had a question
Speaker 9: for Juliet. Do you think that there is like an
Speaker 9: A team B team streams?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Lisa think about it like this, Not only
Speaker 2: could these be government programs that are broken up into
Speaker 2: sub sex for like whatever, mixing business with pleasure essentially
Speaker 2: like gay guys. Obviously you got like Jeffrey Dahmer, and
Speaker 2: then you got guys like Rodney Alcalla and Ted Bundy.
Speaker 2: They're not gay, but they murder. They're victims. In a
Speaker 2: really similar way. I think that they're also mixed up
Speaker 2: with magic in some way. The ritual behind the crimes,
Speaker 2: the areas in which they're perpetrating the crimes, the neighborhoods.
Speaker 3: And sorry, have you found any kind of significance to
Speaker 3: the date of the certain crimes.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to think about because I actually think a
Speaker 2: lot of the victim they'll say like, oh, we found
Speaker 2: this body at this time, and we found this body
Speaker 2: at this time. But there were so many active serial
Speaker 2: killers in and around the time Randy Craft was ripping
Speaker 2: and running through dude's buttholes during this time. I don't
Speaker 2: know who killed who. There was too many. It's like
Speaker 2: there's like eighty victims and three serial killers and they
Speaker 2: can't tell who the fuck did what. And it's like,
Speaker 2: obviously this is significant someone because they're murdering in clusters
Speaker 2: around the same time, all three of them in the
Speaker 2: same exact way, like how.
Speaker 4: And they're still finding people like DNA evidence. Shit, they're
Speaker 4: still trying it to like cold cases to these to
Speaker 4: the sky.
Speaker 2: So yes, yes, So he actually joined the United States
Speaker 2: Air Force and he was stationed at Edwards Air Force Base,
Speaker 2: which is also the same Air Force base where a
Speaker 2: lot of the Laurel Canyon cast of characters came out
Speaker 2: of Edwards Air Force Base also. Uh So, he was
Speaker 2: supposed to be a supervisor of teaching people how to
Speaker 2: paint test planes. That's what he was supposed to that
Speaker 2: that was his official job title. Uh is supervising the
Speaker 2: painting of test planes, and he became an airman first class.
Speaker 2: But he they found out that he was gay, and
Speaker 2: they released him on medical grounds quote unquote, which you know,
Speaker 2: on surface level you'd say, oh, well, that might have
Speaker 2: been common back in the sixties, UH to get to
Speaker 2: you know, released on medical grounds for being gay. But
Speaker 2: in my opinion, they don't let somebody like this just go.
Speaker 2: He's too valuable obviously, so maybe the cover is we
Speaker 2: let him go on the medical grounds, but he just
Speaker 2: got repurposed in some you know, unclassified you know, program
Speaker 2: to kill type academy thing because he had a genius IQ.
Speaker 2: And after they dismissed him from the Air Force, he
Speaker 2: found employment for the Aerospace program. So I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of the victims that they say he killed were
Speaker 2: all around his business trips, traveling around for the aerospace program.
Speaker 2: So you know what I mean, It's like he didn't
Speaker 2: travel too far outside of the uh sus a's fuck
Speaker 2: category as far as employment goes. When he started killing
Speaker 2: all these guys, it's like, oh, you were in the
Speaker 2: Air Force. Now you're working for the Aerospace program. And
Speaker 2: every time you have a business trip like six dudes
Speaker 2: get murdered in the area, Like, is that a coincidence?
Speaker 2: And then they find like pictures in DNA evidence later
Speaker 2: that would link him to the crimes.
Speaker 5: That's interesting. I want to just say real quickly. I
Speaker 5: know it's kind of a between aerospace and NASA. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's a difference there, But I do find it interesting.
Speaker 5: Remember how I mentioned it to you, and it's something
Speaker 5: that I probably would like us to cover. At some
Speaker 5: point I mentioned it to some of us here at
Speaker 5: covering it where I had started noticing leases even notice
Speaker 5: that other people have noticed it that, like, why is
Speaker 5: there always somebody in NASA popping up with all these
Speaker 5: new fucking true crimes. There's always a link to somebody's
Speaker 5: in fucking NASA. What's up with that?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 5: And when I you know? And again I always say,
Speaker 5: I think NASA is basically like a Nazi magical operation.
Speaker 5: So like, if I think that they're handling you shit
Speaker 5: and portraying it in a different way and people are
Speaker 5: believing it, why would they not do that with other
Speaker 5: shit they're there. I've just mass the manipulators with the
Speaker 5: film and shit, you know, they make you believe whatever
Speaker 5: the fuck they throw on the screen.
Speaker 2: And it's like I said before, it has to be
Speaker 2: integrated with a magical aspect. It can't just be like, oh,
Speaker 2: the government program, you know, case clothes, that's it. There's
Speaker 2: always like this weird magical aspect to it too, where
Speaker 2: it's like you said, they they fake all this moon
Speaker 2: landing stuff, they fake all this space stuff. They lie
Speaker 2: to us constantly, right, and then it's there's just this
Speaker 2: aspect of like serial killers and weirdos working for them
Speaker 2: and shit like that, like, oh, nothing to see here,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just something I noticed, you know, and I
Speaker 5: just find it weird, all right.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh I thought Lisa.
Speaker 9: Lisa was about to sea interrupt. You know what's interesting,
Speaker 9: Julie you were talking about, because I was going to
Speaker 9: ask you what year did all this kind of start
Speaker 9: to you know, transpire or whatever. It's interesting. I think
Speaker 9: you said somewhere around the sixties, and you know, we've
Speaker 9: covered at length this sixties on this podcast. What's interesting
Speaker 9: is that you do have a lot of presence of
Speaker 9: certain ops or certain operations from the government occurring in
Speaker 9: bath houses during the sixties, especially in California, especially in
Speaker 9: these big cities, especially in these cities where a lot
Speaker 9: of tech is happening. Tech back then was aeronautics or
Speaker 9: space programs or government programs and stuff like that. So
Speaker 9: it's interesting that they would have this guy who was
Speaker 9: sexually active in the community that he would, you know,
Speaker 9: be potentially has anyone looked at the victimology of like
Speaker 9: if his victims were involved in some sort of programs.
Speaker 2: There were mostly marines, that's right, you said that.
Speaker 9: Sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 2: I think actually Bennett had mentioned it. He killed a
Speaker 2: fuckedn of Marines and other military men actually league, So
Speaker 2: it's it was it's kind of like I was saying before,
Speaker 2: they find people. It's like they mixed business with pleasure.
Speaker 2: This guy's gay, he loves murdering assholes, and they got
Speaker 2: a lot of marines they gotta get rid of.
Speaker 4: Well, I think what it was is he like really
Speaker 4: tried to tried to find well he they were always
Speaker 4: drunk or or on drugs usually.
Speaker 2: Or he or he drugged them, And that's what I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even the way they caught him, dude, don't even.
Speaker 2: Get started on that. Yeah, I was gonna I got
Speaker 2: a whole fucking thing on how they caught him because damn.
Speaker 4: It was a marine, Lisa.
Speaker 2: That was great. That was great a question because I
Speaker 2: did connect that they were mostly like military or marines
Speaker 2: or something like that, and like.
Speaker 4: The rage issue against like macho guys or macho guys
Speaker 4: kind of, and that was like his em was like,
Speaker 4: this is who I fucking hate because they've ruined my
Speaker 4: life or whatever, and I am going to take control
Speaker 4: and show the power over these bastards.
Speaker 2: I mean, it definitely could have been and I will
Speaker 2: entertain that only if you'll entertain the possibility that these
Speaker 2: guys were like people that they wanted to get rid of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking that I was going to bring
Speaker 5: that up.
Speaker 4: Maybe these are That is a good point though, to
Speaker 4: an assassination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like we need
Speaker 2: to get rid of private you know Smith over there.
Speaker 10: Yeah, here's a list of these guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got some, but you can Christmas right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make you wonder what sort of programs that
Speaker 1: they were involved in.
Speaker 10: That's also I don't know something something.
Speaker 2: Because it's like I said, his first victim got returned
Speaker 2: back to him, no charges wherever filed. You know, the
Speaker 2: kid was like thirteen, He got raped, he got drugs,
Speaker 2: he got beaten, nobody cared, So obviously there's something else
Speaker 2: going on here. But what I find interesting, and you
Speaker 2: guys need to, you know, throw your two cents in,
Speaker 2: is the type of things that he did to his
Speaker 2: victims go beyond just killing a person. It's it's you know,
Speaker 2: and if anybody in the livestream whatever, if you're sensitive
Speaker 2: or you know, you might just want to puss out
Speaker 2: now because I'm gonna just say all the details. Okay.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't just like sodomize a guy. He would sodomize
Speaker 2: a guy, but then he would like cut their dick
Speaker 2: and their ballbag off while they were still alive. He
Speaker 2: would make sure that they were still alive for all
Speaker 2: of it. Sometimes he would take their dick and ball
Speaker 2: back and then shove it up their ass. Sometimes he
Speaker 2: would take his car lighter out of his car and
Speaker 2: burn their nipples off and burn their eyeballs out, so
Speaker 2: he would shove dirt.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask, what was he sodomizing them
Speaker 3: with like his penis?
Speaker 2: He did, Yeah, I mean he did rape them. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it was just more about the kill because they found
Speaker 2: like ballpoint pins inserted into their penises. They found a
Speaker 2: bunch of them decapitated. They found a bunch of victims
Speaker 2: that were just in pieces and parts, And it's like,
Speaker 2: this goes beyond just like killing a guy to rip
Speaker 2: somebody's dick and ball bag off, put it in their ass,
Speaker 2: and then like burn their eyeballs out with the car
Speaker 2: cigarette lighter. This goes beyond, This goes beyond just killing someone.
Speaker 3: What sounds like some of the some of the torture
Speaker 3: methods that they used back and like antiquity or ancient times.
Speaker 3: So maybe it is some ancient like some dark spirit
Speaker 3: that is not only taking them over, but being like
Speaker 3: invoked to take them, like he's being whoever it is,
Speaker 3: is just being groomed to be a vessel for a
Speaker 3: particular entity.
Speaker 2: Well, Jules, have you ever heard this saying like what
Speaker 2: would possess someone to do that? I don't know, why
Speaker 2: do we use that terminology? What would possess someone to
Speaker 2: do something like that? I don't know, A demon maybe
Speaker 2: like or something they've tapped into something. Obviously that there's
Speaker 2: a dark passenger driving like they say in Dexter, because
Speaker 2: you know that the average person is not thinking to
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 3: And some people might say that they have kind of
Speaker 3: trained these people to switch on, like to switch on
Speaker 3: their shadow self, to switch on their dweller right to
Speaker 3: where they can immediately just you know, change consciousnesses. But
Speaker 3: it's them, it's just their deep, deep, dark subconscious right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of why they have to
Speaker 2: break you down in the programming, is so they can
Speaker 2: something else, something else has to get inserted in there,
Speaker 2: you know, something else has to take over.
Speaker 9: Where was he doing most of.
Speaker 2: His work, So the reason they called him the freeway
Speaker 2: strangler is because they never knew where he was doing this,
Speaker 2: but he always dumped his body on the side of
Speaker 2: the freeway, so they didn't know if he was killing
Speaker 2: him in his car, if he was taking him back
Speaker 2: to his apartment and killing him and then dumping them.
Speaker 2: But all the victims were found either in Portland when
Speaker 2: he was on a business trip, Seattle when he was
Speaker 2: on a business trip, or southern California, all by the
Speaker 2: freeway and all that. They started to put things together
Speaker 2: because he his he finally found his signature, which was
Speaker 2: after he you know, raped them, murderedom dismembered them, whatever
Speaker 2: he would take one of the victim's socks, ball it
Speaker 2: up and put it in their bee hole, and that
Speaker 2: was his signature. Every time they found a body with
Speaker 2: a bald up sock in their bee hole. They started,
Speaker 2: they started, you know, realizing that these could these victims
Speaker 2: could be connected. And the only thing that they could
Speaker 2: think of of a reason why he would be doing
Speaker 2: this is they said, well, the killer must have military background,
Speaker 2: because in the military they they train you to shove
Speaker 2: socks up dead bodies beeholes to prevent them from purging
Speaker 2: until you can get to the body or whatever. So
Speaker 2: what they surmised is that he was taking them, killing
Speaker 2: them somewhere else, putting the sock in the bee hole
Speaker 2: to prevent purging until he could dump the body.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well that comes to mind is that it's almost
Speaker 9: like was he doing this for someone else? And that
Speaker 9: was the worth these experiments to see the level of
Speaker 9: pain and torture and worthyse methods of potential interrogation to
Speaker 9: be used later in other operations in that yes, it
Speaker 9: looks like a serial killing. Yes it looks like somebody
Speaker 9: is disturbed or was Randy contracted by the government to
Speaker 9: inflict these types of torture to measure the level of
Speaker 9: whatever the pravity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then now.
Speaker 9: It's a data point and you can feed it back
Speaker 9: to the to whomever contracted you as a way of saying, yeah,
Speaker 9: they break at this point, or if you do this,
Speaker 9: they'll they'll do this, or what have you. And then
Speaker 9: the like you said, the signature ready to be like, well,
Speaker 9: that was my calling card. I did that one. The
Speaker 9: other guy did the other one. I did this one, right.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean it kind of goes hand in what
Speaker 4: she's saying, kind of goes hand in hand with why
Speaker 4: they called him the scorecard killer.
Speaker 3: M m.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's checking boxes in a cryptic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very cryptic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's how he was able to delineate who
Speaker 4: who is who.
Speaker 2: Too, right, because they found in his car when they
Speaker 2: busted him the scorecard with all the victims' names and
Speaker 2: like a little description. And it's kind of like what
Speaker 2: you were saying, lisays, is he taking him somewhere else
Speaker 2: and doing this for God only knows what reason, And
Speaker 2: then he has to use this b whole sock because
Speaker 2: he's got to drive him then somewhere and dump the body.
Speaker 2: But the problem is It's like, he's supposed to be
Speaker 2: in charge of supervising people painting test airplanes. At what
Speaker 2: point did shoven a sock in somebody's bee hole come
Speaker 2: up in the painting of the test planes training? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm not a rocket scientist here,
Speaker 2: but I would say, if you're in charge of painting
Speaker 2: test planes, a sock in somebody's dead bee hole is
Speaker 2: not going to come up. Another thing that I don't
Speaker 2: understand why they said this is they said, well, the
Speaker 2: killer obviously has military background, because not only is there
Speaker 2: a sock in the victim's bee hole, but he would
Speaker 2: take tissue paper and he would shove it in the
Speaker 2: nostrils and down the throat, which is another thing I
Speaker 2: guess they do in the military because fluids come out
Speaker 2: and whatever after somebody dies. And it's like, again, when
Speaker 2: did the tissue paper nostral technique come up in the
Speaker 2: painting of the test planes? Can somebody explain that to me? Like,
Speaker 2: obviously he has further training that we don't know about.
Speaker 4: Obviously, I mean, I spent ten years in the military
Speaker 4: and I never was trained to that ship. But I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, you got at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: It could have been some Vietnam stuff. I mean that
Speaker 4: that's when this was happening, So it's like maybe that
Speaker 4: was training then, But I've never heard.
Speaker 2: I know, you're not trying to just about that Bush.
Speaker 10: I'm just saying I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you a sock in my butt hoole
Speaker 3: when it's too when it's too hot outside.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but it isn't some of these paints on any
Speaker 9: of the military planes because you're highly classified.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well not yeah, I mean even back then. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess you had a point. They were extreme line
Speaker 4: you had especially now, but not so much back then,
Speaker 4: but maybe maybe especially especially like in that area you
Speaker 4: had the SR seventy one Blackbird and the the other one,
Speaker 4: the other spy plane, the big it's like something fifty yeah, whatever.
Speaker 4: Either way, they had radar reflecting paint.
Speaker 9: Yes, Yes, and most of that stuff was patented and
Speaker 9: highly classified. Yeah, and not anybody could handle that that
Speaker 9: type of paint because they would have to pass a
Speaker 9: clearance in order to handle that type of pot because
Speaker 9: of extreme class Like we were the only country that
Speaker 9: had the patent for a while on some of the
Speaker 9: reflective paint to evade radar to didn't.
Speaker 4: We Yeah, for sure, what we still do? I mean
Speaker 4: they're like they don't even know, Like the F twenty two,
Speaker 4: I have no idea what it's coded with, zero nobody
Speaker 4: and we won't sell it to anybody either, So.
Speaker 9: Nobody's And it's weightless because every single paint is has
Speaker 9: has a certain weight.
Speaker 4: And that's the ship we know about. That the ship
Speaker 4: we don't know about who even fucking knows? Frankly, I
Speaker 4: mean that, And people have to understand the F twenty twos.
Speaker 4: It's almost a thirty year old plane in the grand
Speaker 4: scheme of things, and it's far and beyond anything anyone
Speaker 4: else has. So probably I mean, if he's painting, I
Speaker 4: guess it.
Speaker 2: Depends on tell me, tell me when the fucking bhole
Speaker 2: sock comes in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never I've never heard that in my life.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you. I'm telling you that God's down the street.
Speaker 4: Never heard that ship in my life.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna have to do a deep dive and to
Speaker 10: book whole socks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually writing it down right now. I've never
Speaker 4: heard of that.
Speaker 1: Well, I just found it interesting too that all of
Speaker 1: this is happening in the sixties, right around the time
Speaker 1: that MK ultr is happening, and Charles Manson is running
Speaker 1: around getting out of jail working with the CIA. It's
Speaker 1: just interesting timing. And and she hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head with Laurel Canyon. I wrote that down because
Speaker 1: it was like, I wonder if there's some sort of
Speaker 1: a connection there, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I was. I was wondering, and I was
Speaker 5: going to ask you believe because I know this is
Speaker 5: something that me and you have, you know, kind of
Speaker 5: researched but never covered. Do you think it's quite possible
Speaker 5: that they had to voice the skull stuff? Then yes,
Speaker 5: because I do think that's actually being used now to
Speaker 5: make it.
Speaker 9: Remember when we cover the whole Esslon thing, and we
Speaker 9: started to look at some of these scientists from U. C.
Speaker 9: L A, Harvard, Stanford and all that this was and
Speaker 9: off late fifties, early sixties, and this was the psychological angle.
Speaker 9: This is the angle that we just know about. We
Speaker 9: didn't even touch upon any of the physiological anatomical We
Speaker 9: were just looking mainly at the psychological angle of some
Speaker 9: of these tests. And so yes, it was right around
Speaker 9: the same time. All of it.
Speaker 4: Sixties, late sixties seventies were wild, especially with psychological stuff.
Speaker 4: The shit that they were doing, the folks, shit that
Speaker 4: they were doing the prisoners, it was unbelievable. I mean,
Speaker 4: like just heinous.
Speaker 1: And I think to your point, Lisa, they couldn't be
Speaker 1: testing the capabilities of what's possible, Yes, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as mind control goes, and yeah, taking people to
Speaker 1: their breaking points and what they can invoke exactly.
Speaker 9: And I don't mean to keep going on this, but
Speaker 9: remember we just brought the boys from Germany over and
Speaker 9: they were doing all kinds of tests on twins, on pain.
Speaker 9: Most of what we know about pain response comes from
Speaker 9: these scientists. Most of the stuff that we know about
Speaker 9: manipulating viruses, bacteria and all kinds of infectious agents comes
Speaker 9: from these scientists. So who's to say that we're not
Speaker 9: employing the B Team or the A team of program
Speaker 9: to kill to see what's happened, you know, what can happen.
Speaker 2: I think the A Team is this group that we're
Speaker 2: talking about right here that came out of the sixties,
Speaker 2: because it was, like Brooke was saying, Randy Kraft was
Speaker 2: at Edward's Air Force Base at the same time, like
Speaker 2: Frank Zappa's dad and like all all of these these
Speaker 2: assholes parents were there. I mean, it's it's it's too
Speaker 2: much to be a coincident. Then, Charles Manson, like you
Speaker 2: were saying, I think the sixties, especially like with with
Speaker 2: Randy Kraft and a couple others that I'm going to
Speaker 2: tie into at the end, But they were part of
Speaker 2: the A team, I would say, you know, and then
Speaker 2: they manufactured based on their results with the first round,
Speaker 2: future generations of serial killers. So I would say that
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer is probably like B team because he was
Speaker 2: like in the eighties or nineties something like that, so
Speaker 2: he's later on they've perfected it a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Now he's like got vats of acid in his apartment
Speaker 2: and cooking dudes dicks off and like cannibalizing him and
Speaker 2: feeding them to his neighbors and shit like it just
Speaker 2: becomes more depraved as as time goes on. It's like
Speaker 2: they got to up the echelon to the next you know,
Speaker 2: worst thing they can terrify people with. Jules, did you
Speaker 2: have something you wanted to I thought I saw a
Speaker 2: comment on the side there. Did you have something you
Speaker 2: wanted to touch on.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I was just I was apologizing, Nick,
Speaker 3: I was laughing for a minute. My audience has been
Speaker 3: making sexual remarks at me.
Speaker 2: And uh, do they want to put socks in you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they want me to put stickers on my on
Speaker 3: on my nipples and uh, because I've done it before.
Speaker 10: So it's not happening.
Speaker 2: Guys, as long as you don't put a sock in
Speaker 2: your b hole.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're not doing that either. I think they. I
Speaker 10: think they're talking about doing that to each other. I
Speaker 10: don't know.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I can't control what this guy say.
Speaker 3: They're insane. Oh and then here's Joey Pootbags here. Now, okay,
Speaker 3: well cool.
Speaker 2: So I did want to I wanted to just give
Speaker 2: one other example of a time where they found a
Speaker 2: victim and they basically let him totally off the hook
Speaker 2: for it. They he abducted two cousins, two male cousins.
Speaker 2: He let one of them go and the other one
Speaker 2: he kept overnight. And the next morning they found this
Speaker 2: guy's decapitated head in a jetty somewhere nearby where he
Speaker 2: picked these two guys up. And the cousin said, I
Speaker 2: can identify the car. I can identify the guy. I
Speaker 2: can tell you all about it. He drugged us, he
Speaker 2: was weird, he threw me out of the car. He
Speaker 2: took my cousin. I don't know what happened to him.
Speaker 2: The police brought him in for questioning. He admitted picking
Speaker 2: both of them up. He said, yeah, I was with
Speaker 2: him last night, but I dropped him off at home
Speaker 2: and I don't know what happened to him after that.
Speaker 2: And the police were like, well, that's funny because we
Speaker 2: just found his fucking decapitated head right nearby where you
Speaker 2: picked the guy up. And he's like, yeah, well it
Speaker 2: wasn't me. No further questions, no further investigating, nothing, They
Speaker 2: just let him walk right out of the police station. Literally.
Speaker 2: The guy's cousin said, this is a guy who picked
Speaker 2: us up. He drugged us, he tossed me out of
Speaker 2: a car, he took my cousin. Now my cousin's decapitated
Speaker 2: and he has a sock in his bee hole and nothing.
Speaker 2: They do, nothing like it. It's crazy to me how
Speaker 2: many times this guy looked police officers in the face
Speaker 2: and just was able to walk right back out of
Speaker 2: the police station, no consequences. And he went on to
Speaker 2: murder another like fifty sixty guys after that. If they
Speaker 2: would have busted him on that murder, it could he
Speaker 2: could have saved sixty men's lives.
Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of like Epstein, Okay, when he got
Speaker 1: arrested down in Florida and he basically got that sweetheart
Speaker 1: deal where he was running the jail down there for
Speaker 1: a little while. When pressed about it, the Attorney General
Speaker 1: of Florida at the time just said it was above
Speaker 1: his pay, great and that there was nothing that he
Speaker 1: could do. Because you're right, he would have, like take him,
Speaker 1: for example, would have been busted then and gone to
Speaker 1: jail for the trafficking charges and the molestation charges. We
Speaker 1: may not have that giant blackering, you know, black girl
Speaker 1: ring that we had today. So if he would have
Speaker 1: gotten the appropriate sentencing then, But I think that there
Speaker 1: are some high level people allowing these people to walk free.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, and to me, it's like, how do
Speaker 2: you justify that the cousin who saw this man was
Speaker 2: in the car with him, said that he drugged us
Speaker 2: and was and pushed me out of the car while
Speaker 2: it was going down the highway. And now my cousin's
Speaker 2: heads decapitated off, and he's got to suck in his asshole. Like,
Speaker 2: how the fuck do you justify in just letting him
Speaker 2: walk right out, Like no investigating the car even to
Speaker 2: see if they can find the drugs or the like. Nothing,
Speaker 2: you're gonna do nothing. Like that's crazy to me.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you think it's just the cops being
Speaker 3: lazy or do you think that they were told to
Speaker 3: maybe stand down.
Speaker 2: I think that just like in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 2: when they they said, hey, we're gonna, you know, respond
Speaker 2: to this, you know whatever. It was that some ladies
Speaker 2: called the police and they said, there's a kid out
Speaker 2: in the street. He's got blood running down his asshole.
Speaker 2: You know, he's got all this stuff wrong with him.
Speaker 2: The police show up, they'd say, hey, we're responding to this,
Speaker 2: you know, complaint whatever about this boy being in the
Speaker 2: street with blood running out of his asshole. And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, as soon as they get to
Speaker 2: the scene, Jeffrey Dahmer's there and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: this is just some gay guy stuff that we don't
Speaker 2: want any part of. Let's just take him back up
Speaker 2: to the apartment. They get into the apartment, he's got
Speaker 2: two dead people in his bedroom that have been fulay
Speaker 2: open with all their freaking lungs and everything out. And
Speaker 2: the police officers, these are supposed to be highly trained
Speaker 2: police officers, right, you're gonna tell me they don't smell
Speaker 2: that with the second he opens his apartment door. What
Speaker 2: did they open the door and go, oh, this is
Speaker 2: what fucking gay sex smells like. Just fucking leave him
Speaker 2: here and let's go like, are you serious. There's two
Speaker 2: dead bodies in the next room, and they let this
Speaker 2: kid sit in there. He drilled a hole in his
Speaker 2: brain and put They were like what they walk in
Speaker 2: the apartment, they were like, this is what dank asshole
Speaker 2: smells like. Let's just drop this kid off and go like,
Speaker 2: are you serious as a trained police officer. You didn't
Speaker 2: suspect anything, You didn't smell anything, you didn't see anything,
Speaker 2: and you just let this kid who has blood running
Speaker 2: out of his asshold down his legs all looped out
Speaker 2: with no clothes on, wandering around in the street. You
Speaker 2: took him back to the apartment and you left it
Speaker 2: there with Jeffrey fucking Dahmer. It's too bizarre. So, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, I think that they are told to leave it,
Speaker 2: drop it, get rid of it, cover it up right,
Speaker 2: act like you didn't see it.
Speaker 3: Move on.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Maybe not the momps ourselves, but they're the cops themselves
Speaker 9: are told to leave it their chief.
Speaker 2: Yes. So in this particular instance with the guy who
Speaker 2: had his head decapitated, the order to release Randy Kraft
Speaker 2: came from the LA District Attorney's office specifically. So does
Speaker 2: that say anything for you? The orders came down straight
Speaker 2: from the l A District Attorney's office to let Randy
Speaker 2: Kraft go.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's what I mean. There's just some high level
Speaker 1: players in these cases.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So he basically goes on ripping and running
Speaker 2: through dude's buttholes for like ten to twelve years. Nobody
Speaker 2: suspects him, nobody, He never gets caught, nothing until let's
Speaker 2: see here, I have it in my notes when he
Speaker 2: gets caught. I believe it was in the eighties, Bennet,
Speaker 2: do you remember it was the eighties or.
Speaker 4: It was oh for the.
Speaker 2: When he gets busted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in here. I can give you exact day.
Speaker 10: That's so many holesteen.
Speaker 4: May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three. It says
Speaker 2: at one ten am he's driving all erratically all over
Speaker 2: the place down the highway. He gets stopped by police
Speaker 2: officer and they're like, hey, you need to get out
Speaker 2: of the vehicle. You're driving like shit. And they noticed
Speaker 2: that he's drunk. They make him do like a field
Speaker 2: so variety test, which he fails because he's fucked up.
Speaker 2: And you know, he's just standing there waiting for the
Speaker 2: other police officer to inspect the vehicle because one police
Speaker 2: officer is giving him the field sobriety test, the other
Speaker 2: police officer is checking out the car. They go over
Speaker 2: to the passenger side of the car and they realize
Speaker 2: that there's another man in the vehicle, and you know,
Speaker 2: he's like trying to get the man to respond, poking him,
Speaker 2: talking to him whatever. He's not responding. He removes the
Speaker 2: jacket from the man's lap to uncover that Randy actually
Speaker 2: wasn't driving erratically because he was drunk. He was driving
Speaker 2: erratically because he was in the middle of sawing this
Speaker 2: guy's pecker off. And this guy is dead as fuck,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's had all the things happened to him.
Speaker 2: All the Randy Craft special has happened to this guy,
Speaker 2: and they still do not arrest him for murder. They
Speaker 2: arrest him for driving under the influence, even though he
Speaker 2: has a whole dead guy in his passenger seat with
Speaker 2: his pecker halfway sowd off murder. He gets arrested for
Speaker 2: driving under the influence, not for having a halfway cut
Speaker 2: off pecker guy in the passenger seat of his car.
Speaker 2: Tell me that makes sense. It was only after he
Speaker 2: was arrested for driving under the influence when they finished
Speaker 2: the investigation in his car where they found the scorecard
Speaker 2: book with the names of victims, and they found several
Speaker 2: photographs that he had taken, much like Jeffrey Dahmer, of
Speaker 2: men posed in different sexual positions who were deceased, and
Speaker 2: they put all the puzzle pieces together. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: this is a case of he cooked his own goose.
Speaker 2: There was too much that was visible for them to
Speaker 2: try to save or salvage this guy. I think like
Speaker 2: at that point he was busted and they were gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, he was gonna have to pay the piper.
Speaker 7: But he.
Speaker 2: Was able to get away with this forever, forever, long
Speaker 2: you know, and uh, it's like, how do you how
Speaker 2: do you respond to that? It's like the police officer
Speaker 2: stops you and it's like you've been drinking a night. No, officer,
Speaker 2: I'm actually just trying to saw this guy's pecker off.
Speaker 2: How about you? Like what you how do you? At
Speaker 2: that point? You're fucked, You're done. You have a dead
Speaker 2: body in the car. You can't you know, you can't
Speaker 2: get out of it. So he did. He did get
Speaker 2: the death penalty, but they were only able to get
Speaker 2: him on like Bennett, do you remember like teen sixteen? Okay,
Speaker 2: I was going to say a fraction of the actual
Speaker 2: number they have.
Speaker 4: I think they have him. I think it's sixty seven
Speaker 4: sixty seven, even though we're sixty one in his book,
Speaker 4: so I don't know, you know, maybe started making his
Speaker 4: book later or something.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: And also because there were those three guys doing crimes
Speaker 2: all around the same time that were identical to Randy,
Speaker 2: it's like, was it did Randy kill sixty seven of them?
Speaker 2: Maybe just sixty one and the other were from the
Speaker 2: other guy, or it's like they had a hard time
Speaker 2: kind of pinning this shit on him because there was
Speaker 2: so much much confusion around who was actually doing this ship.
Speaker 4: And he still has never admitted to anything. He swears
Speaker 4: that he's innocent.
Speaker 2: I actually want to talk about the two other serial
Speaker 2: killers who were ripping and running through dude's bat holes
Speaker 2: around the same time. But before we do that, Nick,
Speaker 2: could you pull up a picture of this guy so
Speaker 2: the listeners can see. Yeah, I just I just want
Speaker 2: everybody to look into the eyes of the government cheese
Speaker 2: killer before we move on, because I'm telling you this,
Speaker 2: whatever you've imagined in your head, he looks just like that.
Speaker 2: He looks like a little fucking pencil dick, fucking nay motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want me to pull it up?
Speaker 5: And I got it? I think so.
Speaker 2: Here he looks like a young mister Rooney from Ferris Bueller's.
Speaker 3: Day Off.
Speaker 4: The mustache. He's gotten this dugshot.
Speaker 2: It's serious, yeah, he So, I just wanted everyone to
Speaker 2: look into the eyes of Randy Kraft, the government She's
Speaker 2: anus killer before we move on with the presentation, because
Speaker 2: look at this guy.
Speaker 1: He was like almost those dead shark eyes though his
Speaker 1: eyes just seemed really dead.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And for me, the thing is, he looks kind of spindily,
Speaker 2: almost and it's like the kind of guys he was abducting.
Speaker 2: They almost have come to the conclusion that he would
Speaker 2: have had to have an accomplice because a lot of
Speaker 2: the crime scenes, there were two pairs of footprints where
Speaker 2: the body was dumped. There have been seamen analysis that
Speaker 2: don't match him, so either somebody else killed him, but
Speaker 2: he has pictures of them, so he was there, so
Speaker 2: he they're thinking that he actually might have had an
Speaker 2: accomplice for all of this, in which case I would
Speaker 2: say a lot of people think that the Son of
Speaker 2: Sam was multiple assailants. A lot of people think the
Speaker 2: Zodiac Killer was multiple assailants. A lot of people So
Speaker 2: Randy Kraft government, she's a as killer, could have been
Speaker 2: in cooots with someone and we may just never know
Speaker 2: about that because it's all part of the program. Stuff
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to know about that. You're not supposed
Speaker 2: to know about multiple assailants carrying this shit out. He
Speaker 2: could have been working with one of the other serial
Speaker 2: killers who got busted for doing these same crimes in
Speaker 2: and around the same area. It's like the Sandman. They
Speaker 2: met up, they had a fucking cheeseburger together, and they
Speaker 2: went and ripped and ran through a couple of dudes
Speaker 2: beeles and you know, called it like this could be
Speaker 2: a real club that they're in. But I'll let you guys.
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys jump in and say whatever before
Speaker 2: I move on.
Speaker 5: What's something like anything that?
Speaker 3: I mean, he looks better than I expected. I guess,
Speaker 3: I don't know after knowing what he's done. It's kind
Speaker 3: of yeah, that mental image.
Speaker 9: It looks like he I don't know, I snuff film
Speaker 9: all over his face.
Speaker 10: Sorry, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9: I looked. I looked up something really quick. It said
Speaker 9: that his dad worked for Douglas Aerospace Company.
Speaker 2: His dad got him a job, obviously, so you think.
Speaker 9: That was already involved in aeronautics of some sort.
Speaker 2: But I've said that. I think actually Jeffrey Dahmer's dad
Speaker 2: helped him out a lot because his dad was a
Speaker 2: scientist doing something. His dad got him into taxidermy. And
Speaker 2: nobody can figure out how this guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, who
Speaker 2: had no car, was able to get a five gallon
Speaker 2: drum of acid into his apartment which was on the
Speaker 2: second floor, no elevator, with no help and where did
Speaker 2: he get it from? So I mean, I think that
Speaker 2: he literally his dad was helping him the entire time.
Speaker 2: Who taught him about dissolving bones into a big drum
Speaker 2: acid and stuff like that. I don't know, maybe a
Speaker 2: scientist guy. His dad was always his fucking cheerleader throughout
Speaker 2: the whole tribe. Every interview, his dad was there.
Speaker 9: His dad was a chemistry guy, wasn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa, you would know. I mean
Speaker 2: it's like, if that's what you're into and your son's
Speaker 2: a serial killer, would you not have some aspect of
Speaker 2: like influence over how he perpetrated the crimes? I mean
Speaker 2: to me, it looks like go ahead, or you know,
Speaker 2: like whenever we talk about the Laurel Canyon kids, their
Speaker 2: parents were in the military and they were serving the country,
Speaker 2: doing these songs and influencing culture and what have you.
Speaker 9: Right, who's to say that these scientists they don't all
Speaker 9: have to work at a military base. They could have
Speaker 9: had private contracts in their university that the respective universities
Speaker 9: that they worked at, and then they were employing their
Speaker 9: kids kind of you know, following in daddy's footsteps, just
Speaker 9: like the Laurel Canyon kids did. Yes, that's not supposed
Speaker 9: to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred, one hundred. I'm actually going to close
Speaker 2: this window right here because the sun is getting in
Speaker 2: my ab I'll hang on a second.
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm really excited to kind of hear more
Speaker 1: about the other serial killers that could have potentially been
Speaker 1: helping him, because I think even with Son of Sam,
Speaker 1: I think we give these guys way too much credit
Speaker 1: for them to be just a working alone.
Speaker 4: Yes, not to go back to the show, but like Sammon,
Speaker 4: like they were like like exchanging business cards, like hey,
Speaker 4: let's work together, you know, like it was like that
Speaker 4: whole creepy ass network. You know, it's just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you find out that he was tied
Speaker 3: into the Processed Church as well. Yeah right, and he
Speaker 3: talks about it, you know, and it's like you find
Speaker 3: out who else is tied to the Processed Church is
Speaker 3: a huge network, and it ties him to the Temple
Speaker 3: set of course.
Speaker 10: I mean, Michael Loko, I think so many of us
Speaker 10: know that.
Speaker 4: The places of power are controlled by some fucked up people, right,
Speaker 4: I mean that's pretty evident. I think all of us
Speaker 4: here have seen behind that curtain, and this just kind
Speaker 4: of is one of those things, Like I mean how
Speaker 4: many times Julie did he get there? There was multiple
Speaker 4: reports of him getting pulled over with bodies in the
Speaker 4: car and them not even searching the car or whatever
Speaker 4: because you know, and I'm sorry, but you can only
Speaker 4: act normal and like, oh, yes, officer, you know so
Speaker 4: many times? Six times?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you pull a guy over with the mustache
Speaker 2: like that and it smells like dead bee hole in
Speaker 2: the car and you're telling me like nobody ever thought,
Speaker 2: just like Jeffrey Dahmer's apartments, Like nobody smelled anything, nobody
Speaker 2: saw anything. It's like, yeah, as a police officer, are
Speaker 2: you not trained to like use all your five senses
Speaker 2: to like pick up on it? Like every is every
Speaker 2: police officer really just that incompetent or is there something
Speaker 2: going on with this guy?
Speaker 4: So just well sorry, I don't want to cut anybody off.
Speaker 4: But I was also a cop.
Speaker 2: So were you.
Speaker 4: I there's no guess, but don't judge me too late.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like that's that's
Speaker 4: this is like policing one on one and again, you know,
Speaker 4: do we give it a pass? Because it was like
Speaker 4: the seventies and it was just weird and.
Speaker 2: Red bodies smelled this thing from the beginning. It's That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But it's like at some point this
Speaker 2: guy's car had to be a picture because he used
Speaker 2: to carry like photographs of the dead people in his
Speaker 2: car with him. So somebody, yeah, nobody saw, nobody saw anything.
Speaker 8: Nobody like you, Doc, Well, I think that maybe as
Speaker 8: far as you know, having so many run ins with police,
Speaker 8: like you said, you can only act normal so many times.
Speaker 1: But what if you know you're not going to go
Speaker 1: to jail, you're not going to be arrested. You have
Speaker 1: that confidence that you're going to be let out. Of course,
Speaker 1: you're going to be calm, cool and collected, even when
Speaker 1: you have a decapitated corpse because you know you're going
Speaker 1: to be out in three hours or twelve hours.
Speaker 2: They're not going to hold you because.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, your buddy's the eighty eight on shift.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. And that's why I think they were
Speaker 2: so brazen a lot of the time, especially Ted Bundy.
Speaker 2: I mean, he escaped from prison twice. Twice, you escaped
Speaker 2: from prison. It's like this guy knows, you know, like
Speaker 2: there's something up here. So the two other guys that
Speaker 2: were ripping and running through dude's buttholes in and around
Speaker 2: the same time as Randy Craft, the first guy's name.
Speaker 2: He was also known as the Freeway Killer. Just like
Speaker 2: Randy Craft. His name is Patrick Wayne Kerney. And I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if you guys have ever heard of this guy,
Speaker 2: but he's a prolific serial killer out of the sixties
Speaker 2: as well. That, just like Randy Craft, was from southern California,
Speaker 2: and he murdered by dismembering, disemboweling, and cutting his victim's
Speaker 2: hearts and lungs out. And he's known to have killed
Speaker 2: at least twenty eight young men in the way he
Speaker 2: raped them and then he would dismember them, disembowel them,
Speaker 2: and just like Grandy Craft, it's like, how do you tell?
Speaker 2: And then he would dump them on the side of
Speaker 2: the freeway. How do you tell who's doing what? When
Speaker 2: you got two guys in southern California who are both gay,
Speaker 2: ripping and running through young men in various ways, and
Speaker 2: you look at Patrick Kearney and it's like, Okay, what
Speaker 2: are the other similarities. Patrick Kearney was in the Air Force,
Speaker 2: just like Grandy Craft. Patrick Kearney was highly intelligent and
Speaker 2: he spent a lot of time stationed at some type
Speaker 2: of Air Force base in Texas, where he became best
Speaker 2: friends with Lee Harvey Oswalt. I can't make this shit up,
Speaker 2: you guys. Of course he did. After Patrick Kearney joins
Speaker 2: the Air Force, he is sent to Dallas, Texas, and
Speaker 2: he befriends Lee Harvey Oswald and they go to language
Speaker 2: school together. They become best friends, and he has he
Speaker 2: said that he drove Lee Harvey Oswell to the Mexican
Speaker 2: border and went to Mexico City with him on top
Speaker 2: secret operations, then returned to California to rip and run
Speaker 2: through dude's buttholes with Randy Kraft also in the airs,
Speaker 2: shoving socks up people's bee holes. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: what are some other weird things about Patrick Kearney that
Speaker 2: fit the program to kill Blueprint? When he returned to
Speaker 2: California before he started his murder spree, he bought a
Speaker 2: yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he used to pick up all
Speaker 2: of his victims, just like fucking Ted Bundy. So it's like,
Speaker 2: come on, you guys, is that just the murder vehicle?
Speaker 2: That's just so random? He's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 2: He's in the Air Force. He's ripping and running through
Speaker 2: dude's buttholes. He has a yellow Volkswagen Beetle, just like
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy. I mean, yeah, he's just checking all the
Speaker 2: boxes literally literally. So he was also a necrophile, something
Speaker 2: that Randy Kraft did not do that Patrick Kerney was
Speaker 2: involved with. But much like Ted Bundy, he was into necrophilia.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like I said at the beginning
Speaker 2: of this episode, you got to understand that there's like
Speaker 2: this governmental program aspect of it, but there's also a
Speaker 2: lot of ritualism. And I think that there's a lot
Speaker 2: of ritualism in the way that they killed their victims.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of ritualism in necrophilia and
Speaker 2: a lot of the like taking the hearts out of
Speaker 2: the victims, you know, doing this stuff. It's it's significant
Speaker 2: to them. And you know, just the fact that he's
Speaker 2: documented as being friends with Lee Harvey Oswald, it should
Speaker 2: bother people, you know, because this guy was getting away
Speaker 2: with it for a really long time, just like Randy
Speaker 2: Kraft was, and they couldn't even tell the victims apart.
Speaker 2: They were so similar. Tell me, these two didn't know
Speaker 2: about each other. They had to have. And then in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, the third guy pops up and his
Speaker 2: name is William Bonnen and he was also referred to
Speaker 2: as the Freeway Killer. So Randy Kraft, Patrick Kearney, and
Speaker 2: William Bonnen were all known as the Freeway Killer. They
Speaker 2: all were raping and torturing and murdering boys in southern California.
Speaker 2: And he's he confessed to twenty one murders and he
Speaker 2: was also specifically in the Air Force. Around the same time,
Speaker 2: Patrick Kearney and Randy Craft were in southern California perpetrating
Speaker 2: almost identical crimes as each other, and was able to
Speaker 2: get away with it from nineteen sixty eight until nineteen eighty. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys, it's it's too much. It's too much.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this so far?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like too much to be coincidence, you know,
Speaker 4: it freaking wild spot.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of them, all three of them, or
Speaker 2: one just just.
Speaker 3: The main guy, but I mean, yeah, all three of them,
Speaker 3: even looking into serial killers, I've never He's never crossed
Speaker 3: my path so well.
Speaker 2: Out of this southern California area, the Golden State Killer,
Speaker 2: also military. Right in California, there was a guy named
Speaker 2: Lonnie David Franklin Junior, known as the Grim Sleeper, also military.
Speaker 2: He started murdering in and around nineteen eighty five Richard Ramirez.
Speaker 2: Did you guys, Do you guys know about the military
Speaker 2: connection with Richard Ramirez? I didn't, Okay, let me tell
Speaker 2: you what I found. Would you say name?
Speaker 5: I know I've come across it somehow, but I don't
Speaker 5: remember what it is.
Speaker 2: So people don't actually relate Richard Ramirez as having military connections.
Speaker 2: But I found this interesting little article on him, and
Speaker 2: it says that at the age of twelve, Richard Ramirez
Speaker 2: was taken under the wing of his older cousin named
Speaker 2: Mike Valez, who was a soldier in the US Army
Speaker 2: who himself had become a serial killer and a rapist
Speaker 2: during his service in the Vietnam War, and Valis often
Speaker 2: boasted of committing gruesome war crimes in Vietnam and shared
Speaker 2: polaroid photos with young Ramirez showing Vietnamese women who he
Speaker 2: had raped, murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. So, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: he has military esque connections right because his role model.
Speaker 2: His older cousin, Miguel Mike Valles, was in the US
Speaker 2: Army during Laurel Canyon, right Vietnam shit, dismembering, disemboweling, and
Speaker 2: decapitating women's heads off, and this is who Richard Ramirez
Speaker 2: grew up as his role model. So to me, that counts.
Speaker 2: That's like a sub sect of the program to Kill Academy.
Speaker 5: That's that's weird stuff.
Speaker 9: Julia Fie, Yes, go ahead really quickly. In that you
Speaker 9: talked about how these three, these three men were they
Speaker 9: all air Force. Yes, author, So we have the Air
Speaker 9: Force being created in nineteen forty seven. It is an
Speaker 9: offshoot of the Navy. It's brand new, and they're doing
Speaker 9: a lot of testing. They're doing a lot of experimentation.
Speaker 9: A lot of the guys of some of Los Alamo's,
Speaker 9: the Atomic Commission and all that other stuff is kind
Speaker 9: of in this whole realm esque of things. And if
Speaker 9: you hear by Los Alamo's, you know it's not just
Speaker 9: looking for the splitting of the atom. There were doing
Speaker 9: all kinds of other stuff as well. And then you
Speaker 9: have the connection that you made with Lee Harvey Oswald
Speaker 9: and I think Nick and I kind of flirted with
Speaker 9: the idea of doing a show on this because Lee
Speaker 9: Harvey Oswald has intense connections to have never left the military.
Speaker 9: He was always doing some sort of secret op with
Speaker 9: the military. He comes from a prominent family. He was
Speaker 9: also involved in the testing in a medical government contracted
Speaker 9: facility in New Orleans where they developed a weapon to
Speaker 9: potentially kill Fidel Castro in the form of fast acting
Speaker 9: cancer vaccine. He is very intimately related with that entire
Speaker 9: project as too far that the girl he was dating
Speaker 9: at the time who was doing the experiment, they were dating,
Speaker 9: so he was there. So you have the Texas Louisiana connection,
Speaker 9: you have the military connection, you have the experimentation, you
Speaker 9: have going down to Mexico. You have all of that,
Speaker 9: and then now have these serial killers who were in
Speaker 9: the Air Force, and you're having the Air Force and
Speaker 9: all kinds of testing. I don't know that you need
Speaker 9: any more connections.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Lisa, one hundred Yeah. I mean you
Speaker 2: painted a beautiful picture of what I think even Brooke
Speaker 2: it and Bennett and Jules would agree is this is
Speaker 2: definitely by design. This is an experiment. They're figuring shit
Speaker 2: out right. It's all part of this Laurel Canyon esque era.
Speaker 2: And I think that the music scene and the serial
Speaker 2: killer scene are the were projects that they were interested
Speaker 2: in and pursuing during this time. They were the training
Speaker 2: wheels for what was to come. I mean, look at
Speaker 2: how serial killers and how music has changed since then.
Speaker 2: It's like they just it gets worse with time, it
Speaker 2: doesn't get better.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: I wish the CIA would come back and fix some
Speaker 2: ship up because I'm so fucking sick of like Lady
Speaker 2: Gaga and stuff like that, Like bring back like the
Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon Jim Morrison ship. I love, Yeah, because.
Speaker 4: Like since eighty nine, the amount of serial killers is
Speaker 4: just gone straight down.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I would love. I would love a
Speaker 2: renaissance ofthing.
Speaker 4: That'd gone away or anything. I'm just saying that it's
Speaker 4: way less since nineteen eighty nine. That seems to be
Speaker 4: the tipping year.
Speaker 1: So here's a question for you. So how many of
Speaker 1: these serial killers do you think are organic? And like
Speaker 1: just hypothetically in how money are by design, Like if
Speaker 1: I had to put a.
Speaker 2: Percentage on it, like you know I have in my lifetime,
Speaker 2: which I'm not older any shit like that, But I've
Speaker 2: never met a serial killer. I've never known anyone who
Speaker 2: has met a serial killer. So it's like it makes
Speaker 2: you wonder how many of them there actually are, or
Speaker 2: if the numbers are inflated, and how many of them
Speaker 2: are organic?
Speaker 11: So yeah, and how these strange connections you know, it's yeah,
Speaker 11: they all seem to have these strange connections, and so
Speaker 11: it's kind of like, you know, does it just a
Speaker 11: natural I mean, side psychopaths obviously exist, but to go
Speaker 11: so far as to, you know, do what some of
Speaker 11: these guys do, it's just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I want to say, like maybe maybe ten percent I
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys could agree with me, but
Speaker 2: maybe ten percent are just random psychos that like murder
Speaker 2: their mom or something or less.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like Ed Kemper, did he have any ties
Speaker 3: to the military or anything or probably.
Speaker 4: It seems like there is a lot right of folks
Speaker 4: tied to the military. Now, the one thing I am
Speaker 4: going to say about that is that you do have
Speaker 4: an an exorbitant amount of psychopaths in the military, and
Speaker 4: they can go one of two ways. So it's just like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry too, but the way that cops are you
Speaker 4: cops are just their psychological profiles are right on that
Speaker 4: razors edge of either you can neither be a cop
Speaker 4: for good or you can just be a fucking psychopath, right, murderer,
Speaker 4: like the perfect criminal. Right. So I not I'm not
Speaker 4: saying all cops. I'm saying a lot of them psychologically. Especially.
Speaker 4: You have those guys in the military, especially guys and
Speaker 4: special ops who frankly a lot of them are and
Speaker 4: we all know who they are that that are there
Speaker 4: for not because they love God and country. They're there
Speaker 4: because of clout or because they frankly want to kill
Speaker 4: people or they we everyone that's been in the military
Speaker 4: knows one of those guys. So it's like, so, do
Speaker 4: those psychopaths just live and then and then if they
Speaker 4: go to war and get broken by shit that they
Speaker 4: have to do or whatever, does that just exacerbate things?
Speaker 4: Who knows? I don't know. I'm just thinking of psychological trauma.
Speaker 4: Is trauma is a crazy thing.
Speaker 8: And so.
Speaker 4: Said too it also maybe they do some bad ship
Speaker 4: and then that opens the door for them to get
Speaker 4: corrupted by whoever or whatever.
Speaker 10: Physical or non physical entity.
Speaker 4: That's right, I mean, Doc, Doc brought it up in
Speaker 4: the thing. It sounds like, you know, terrestrial spirits sometimes
Speaker 4: like some of these things like fuckers do some wicked
Speaker 4: ship and open some crazy fucking doors and let in
Speaker 4: some crazy stuff. I mean, because when you get bored
Speaker 4: in the military too, they just do dumb shit. It's
Speaker 4: teenagers doing dumb shit.
Speaker 2: I think if you're if you're highly functioning enough and
Speaker 2: it's and it's scouted out early enough, yes, that they
Speaker 2: will choose very young men to be you know, used
Speaker 2: in unspecified capacities inducted into the military.
Speaker 4: And so many of these people and again I'll say it,
Speaker 4: it was brought up in the chat adults that were
Speaker 4: bullied as kids flexing now like flexing, Oh we've got
Speaker 4: the power now. You see that a lot with police officers,
Speaker 4: You see that a lot with the military folk and
Speaker 4: people in power, and then they just get addicted to that. Right,
Speaker 4: So I mean, but.
Speaker 2: To the point, but to the point of murdering is
Speaker 2: what we're Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Now, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And because serial killer or.
Speaker 4: Just yeah it's possible.
Speaker 2: Still, I still would say only ten percent are the
Speaker 2: ones you're talking about, like from a young age or
Speaker 2: like you know, a.
Speaker 4: Power saying I'm saying that they there's an mo right. Definitely,
Speaker 4: people that can be manipulated. Yeah, the folks and the
Speaker 4: people that that we've been talking about and that you've
Speaker 4: been alluding to the fact that they're controlled. That's how
Speaker 4: they recruit them anyway, because they can be molded and
Speaker 4: manipulated and twisted and boom there you go.
Speaker 2: Well, you know who else I think it's like best
Speaker 2: I think I think cops, military surgeons, and doctors.
Speaker 4: I think they killers were doctors.
Speaker 2: You heard of that one doctor who was literally running
Speaker 2: around fucking murdering the shit out of people.
Speaker 4: I have one. I have one in my hometown in Connecticut.
Speaker 10: Family.
Speaker 4: He put his whole family through a wood chipper.
Speaker 5: There's been a few of them that were also just interested.
Speaker 5: And I found this interesting because because of certain things
Speaker 5: like when it comes to the occult, you know, we've
Speaker 5: me and Lisa have covered like you know, there's books
Speaker 5: back in like the sixteen seventeen hundreds of people are
Speaker 5: drawing like detailed ship and it's just like, how are
Speaker 5: you coming across that? And probably fun cutting open dead
Speaker 5: bodies or whatever, you know, who knows what's going on?
Speaker 5: And like in the movie from Hell, didn't she Like
Speaker 5: in the movie from Hell, they show kind of like
Speaker 5: Freemason's cutting people open and looking at him and stuff,
Speaker 5: and that Jack the Ripper movie. But like, I uh, fuck, oh,
Speaker 5: you know how many there has been a few serial killers,
Speaker 5: and I've just wondered, like it's just like some weird
Speaker 5: shit that's like common and maybe is the occult somehow
Speaker 5: you know, involved in it where they're very interested in
Speaker 5: cutting people open and seeing their insights. There's been a
Speaker 5: few of them that even say that.
Speaker 2: Like they taken of the heart out, the taking of
Speaker 2: like the like Jack the Ripper, one of the very
Speaker 2: first serial killers to ever by the way, definitely if
Speaker 2: Programmed to Kill was around for that time period, fucking
Speaker 2: Jack the Ripper would have been one of them. Because
Speaker 2: I have heard that it was like Auster Crowleys.
Speaker 10: I've heard he was he was an English lord.
Speaker 3: He was part of one of those bloodlines and they
Speaker 3: just kind of let them out on the loose at
Speaker 3: at night.
Speaker 10: We're just like he'll come back in the morning.
Speaker 2: Also heard that he was acting on behalf of the
Speaker 2: one Petrova what's her names king, Yes, she was acting
Speaker 2: on her behalf because she was actually more popular.
Speaker 3: He was kind of doing these these kind of uh
Speaker 3: you know, these murders as these rituals in the field,
Speaker 3: and she was maybe doing the incantations and stuff behind
Speaker 3: the scenes.
Speaker 2: She was the mind behind the murder.
Speaker 10: The magic or the Yeah, if.
Speaker 9: You look at the victims, there were certain victims that
Speaker 9: had missing body parts. Yeah, female, it was almost like
Speaker 9: a stuck curement.
Speaker 10: Were they making a freaking star.
Speaker 2: It was like uterus tits, like weird stuff like that.
Speaker 2: They would they were removing that like specifically.
Speaker 5: You can look it up right now.
Speaker 10: Or they were trying to make some timunculous something.
Speaker 5: Uh, you could look it up now on the internet
Speaker 5: if people, you know, want to check it out. Alista
Speaker 5: Crowley blames Helena Bolovotsky for Jackson River.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Nick, Like, there's always an aspect
Speaker 2: of this that's magical.
Speaker 5: He said that other people were doing it for like
Speaker 5: a ritual some sort of shit.
Speaker 2: But when you look at like modern day serial killers,
Speaker 2: don't you get that same vibe Like with Jeffrey he
Speaker 2: wanted to. He said, I want to build an altar
Speaker 2: out of the bones. I want to build an altar
Speaker 2: with the skulls and the bones and the he was like,
Speaker 2: I'll paint it black and I'm going to turn this
Speaker 2: guy's skull into a lamp and like do all this
Speaker 2: stuff with it. And then he said he couldn't get
Speaker 2: charged up to like go murder people unless he watched
Speaker 2: The Exorcist Part three or some shit like that, and
Speaker 2: like he would wear yellow contacts and he would do
Speaker 2: all this. It's like, to me, there's a lot.
Speaker 9: Of ritualism, but it's almost like, why does he need
Speaker 9: to get charged up? I thought you would if you're
Speaker 9: a serial killer, you ought ramatically just do it on
Speaker 9: the fly. I mean, like it's on it's on drip right,
Speaker 9: Like you know, you don't need to get charged up
Speaker 9: for it.
Speaker 2: Like he's he should be juiced up and ready to
Speaker 2: go at all times.
Speaker 9: Like you got you got you know, your to do list,
Speaker 9: You've got your honey do list for the week, and
Speaker 9: you're like, crap, no, I have to go do this.
Speaker 2: Well have you been in Oh go ahead, Britt, I
Speaker 2: was going.
Speaker 1: To ask, have you guys seen the show The Hunting Party?
Speaker 9: I have not.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you were talking about, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: potentially some big players involved Basically the premise of the
Speaker 1: show is it's about serial killers who either go to
Speaker 1: jail or get caught, and they're supposedly say they get
Speaker 1: the death penalty or go to jail, but really they're
Speaker 1: taken to this black CIA site where they testing on them,
Speaker 1: and they they're not really dead, and long story short,
Speaker 1: it's it ties back to the Attorney General who's actually
Speaker 1: running this site, and they're running tests on these serial
Speaker 1: killers and somebody like explodes this silo and they all escape,
Speaker 1: and then it's up to this like CIA black Ops
Speaker 1: team to go procure them all because they want to
Speaker 1: test their empathy. They want to test to see if
Speaker 1: they can cure them or fix them or Wow, they.
Speaker 2: Really thought outside the box on that one. Like I
Speaker 2: wonder where they got their fucking inspiration from. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know what I'm saying, but that that's
Speaker 2: just just that's just real life stuff. Like sometimes I
Speaker 2: watch a show and it's supposed to be like fantasy
Speaker 2: or whatever, and I'm like, dude, that no, that's real,
Speaker 2: like that black mirror shit. No, sorry, that's our reality
Speaker 2: right now. Like we're living in American horror story. This
Speaker 2: is all real you know, murderers, witches.
Speaker 4: Methods, what they're doing anyway.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and actually I wanted to mention as one
Speaker 2: of the other serial killers that I want to talk
Speaker 2: about eventually with you guys, is that Dating Game Killer
Speaker 2: came out of Southern California as well in the sixties,
Speaker 2: also military background, and he was said to be he
Speaker 2: had like a genius IQ and shit, and he went
Speaker 2: on to study film under Roman Polaan Ski, shocker, and
Speaker 2: he found his way onto the Dating Game Show, one
Speaker 2: of the most popular shows on television back then. So
Speaker 2: you tell me there's not some type of connections with
Speaker 2: these fucking guys. The Dating Game Killer murdered like one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty women and he was friends with Roman
Speaker 2: Polayan Skis from Southern California. He was in the military.
Speaker 2: He has a genius level IQ. He found his way
Speaker 2: onto the Dating Game show and he won that round
Speaker 2: of the dating game. And it's like, that's why they
Speaker 2: made a movie about it on Netflix, because that girl
Speaker 2: refused to go out with him even after he she
Speaker 2: picked him because she said he gave me the creeps.
Speaker 2: That just goes to show you a woman's intuition. But
Speaker 2: that guy definitely checks all the boxes for program to kill.
Speaker 1: And Randy Kraft didn't he have a really high IQ
Speaker 1: as well, like one hundred and twenty nine.
Speaker 9: Yeah, don't they always have a really high IQ? Most
Speaker 9: serial killers have.
Speaker 2: I think i Q. I think that's the that's that's
Speaker 2: what they look for. I think that's their preference. I
Speaker 2: think John Wayne Gacy was halfway retarded.
Speaker 4: I think I think that's IQ.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, there's been a couple where I've
Speaker 2: been like, were you like the last pick? You know,
Speaker 2: like everybody else you know, and it's like I have
Speaker 2: to pick one. I guess I'll take me. That's class
Speaker 2: d U, Yeah, class D.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, There's been a couple of serial killers that
Speaker 2: have been like, how the fuck did you even murder anybody?
Speaker 2: You're so stupid.
Speaker 9: It would be like setting apex predators in that they
Speaker 9: are not necessarily killing for survival, they're killing just to kill,
Speaker 9: and the fact that they are high IQ. That that
Speaker 9: pretty much, I mean, I would think constitutes apex predation.
Speaker 2: Well, you know who else kind of fits this mold.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have ever heard of him,
Speaker 2: but his name was Herb Baumeister and he took a
Speaker 2: bunch of he was gay serial killer that took a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys back to his house and said, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll give you some drinks and you can swim in
Speaker 2: my indoor swimming pool, and then he would drown him
Speaker 2: in the pool and do all kinds of weird stuff
Speaker 2: to him. William Ramsey actually talks about her Baumeister because
Speaker 2: he's another one that fits the program to kill model.
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure he has a military background. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if he's from California, but he's said to
Speaker 2: be like genius level IQ type of guy. He was
Speaker 2: a family man, had kids on the side, was a
Speaker 2: gay serial killer. Like where do they where do they
Speaker 2: find these guys? Like literally.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 9: Yeah to Brooks question, I think prior to nineteen forties,
Speaker 9: I think if we were a serial killer, you're probably organic.
Speaker 9: But after that I think you were astroturfed, had the
Speaker 9: high potential to be That's that's what I think.
Speaker 2: Well, so government, She's anus killer is still alive. Actually
Speaker 2: he's on death row. If you want to write him
Speaker 2: a letter, tell him, you you know, tell him you
Speaker 2: listen to a rather interesting episode about him on a
Speaker 2: podcast and just wanted to know. I heard you were
Speaker 2: the government cheese anus killer. Please let me know if
Speaker 2: you are CIA or and ormentaryan candidate. Thank you, and
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see before the grim Reaper comes for
Speaker 2: him on death row if he ever fesses up. He
Speaker 2: still says he has no memory of his crimes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that, that to me is really interesting. If
Speaker 2: that's true and he has no memory of doing any
Speaker 2: of that's like, what type of deprogramming shit are you
Speaker 2: on that you just don't remember? And he will stand
Speaker 2: by that that he just doesn't remember any of it.
Speaker 4: So find it crazy too that the most active period
Speaker 4: of serial killers in the US is between nineteen seventies
Speaker 4: and nineteen nineties. Specifically, the eighties saw the highest number
Speaker 4: of active serial killers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think were they?
Speaker 9: I think so?
Speaker 4: And some of the most well known serial killers operated
Speaker 4: during peak period. Bundy Dahmer, Mira's, Kasey Kemper, all these
Speaker 4: guys crazy.
Speaker 1: I forget the research into a lady in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's another one. The guy that like
Speaker 2: made lamps out of people's uh fores games and ship
Speaker 2: there's they're supposed to be doing a Netflix documentary thing
Speaker 2: on that guy with the same guy that did Dahmer,
Speaker 2: Evan Peters. I think he's supposed to be playing ed
Speaker 2: Gian in an upcoming You know, it's always like the
Speaker 2: ones that gets face realized he is fucked.
Speaker 3: But in my opinion, that guy Psyche is gone, like
Speaker 3: from him being on American Horror Story to portraying all
Speaker 3: the characters he did on there than Domer now this, Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: that guy's cooked.
Speaker 2: He probably is, But I just think there's got to
Speaker 2: be more to this story if they want to make
Speaker 2: a docu series on Netflix about it, Just like The
Speaker 2: Menindas Brothers, there's more to that story too.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy. Like the seventies you had three hundred
Speaker 4: individuals active serial killers, right, yeah, the eighties was two
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty, and then from by the twenty tens
Speaker 4: you were down to fifty. And that's I mean, of
Speaker 4: course these numbers are you know, what what what they what?
Speaker 4: They they think they know, right, but what a decline
Speaker 4: that's insane, Like I mean, it just shows what was
Speaker 4: happening exactly, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Mastered it and they moved on yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean one hundred. I think I think the sixties were
Speaker 2: the training wheels. The eighties were like boom, now we
Speaker 2: really got it. And then it was like, okay, now
Speaker 2: now that we've you know, mastered this, let's move on
Speaker 2: to a new, bigger and better things.
Speaker 4: Who knows, you could have gone to different countries.
Speaker 1: Too, just saying, right, and I think they've taken their
Speaker 1: sacrifices up to a whole new scale.
Speaker 4: There you go, different, different.
Speaker 2: Coming in with the mass murder, Sandy Hook and call
Speaker 2: them bye.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They could have also diverted their attention to these weird
Speaker 2: cult scenes. We got Waco, we got I mean so yeah,
Speaker 2: after the eighties things started to look a little bit different,
Speaker 2: but the body count didn't change.
Speaker 5: I was even going to say, I wonder if some
Speaker 5: of the serial killers have higher body counts near the end,
Speaker 5: but less of them.
Speaker 4: And also we got into two giant wars. Ah, yes, yep,
Speaker 4: ye talk about body counts. I'm not saying our guys
Speaker 4: necessarily either.
Speaker 9: How much of it has gone online and you don't.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah right?
Speaker 1: You know, well, yeah, we know every media tells us.
Speaker 1: So if it's not being reported, you wouldn't know unless
Speaker 1: you you know where to look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I oh, go ahead, Lisa.
Speaker 9: No, just real quick, sorry, Julia, I don't, I can't.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry about interrupting the whole episode. Just it's so exciting.
Speaker 9: The entire the entire content is just so exciting.
Speaker 2: I love hearing. Go ahead.
Speaker 9: But everything you said, how they all have military background,
Speaker 9: the commonality with the serial killers at this time frame,
Speaker 9: all have commonality of being in the military. If we
Speaker 9: look at these mass murderers, especially some of the people
Speaker 9: that are involved with with big shootings and what have you,
Speaker 9: they all wore under surveillance of FBI, every single one
Speaker 9: of them. So there is a commonality with some of
Speaker 9: these signatures that there there's a thread, right, So it's
Speaker 9: almost like it has the signature that you're looking for
Speaker 9: in these serial killers or these mass murderers. Probably is
Speaker 9: behind the payroll.
Speaker 5: You see that thread run through the colts too. Oh,
Speaker 5: the FBI was watching. I was watching.
Speaker 9: Where are their pensions coming from?
Speaker 2: Yes, Lisa, definitely, I mean you nailed it. Where is
Speaker 2: some money and like some of this stuff, well, they have.
Speaker 3: A job and then a lot a lot of these
Speaker 3: FEDS end up going missing later committing suicide or you
Speaker 3: know that it's uh.
Speaker 2: On a yeah, well, and it's like how did they
Speaker 2: if you really look back in time, It's like how
Speaker 2: did they sustain their lifestyle? Because Jeffrey was supposed to
Speaker 2: have worked at like a chocolate factory during the day,
Speaker 2: and like, I had all this money to buy five
Speaker 2: gallon drums of acid, power tools, rent for his apartment,
Speaker 2: and do all these things. He's working part time at
Speaker 2: a fucking chocolate factory. He's taken dudes out to bars
Speaker 2: every single night. He's got money for drugs, he's got
Speaker 2: money for alcohol. He's got It's like, who's the same.
Speaker 3: Thing with Columbine and all the guns at Columbine. It's like,
Speaker 3: how did those kids get those guns?
Speaker 10: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And all that AMMO the like, no, it was given
Speaker 3: to them, it has.
Speaker 2: To be right. It's like, where are they getting the
Speaker 2: fucking funds?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how truthful this is. I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess I'd have to ask somebody that was in
Speaker 5: the Vietnam War. But when you watch it portrayed on
Speaker 5: TV or in the movies, you see these people living
Speaker 5: in like mud huts. But yet they're like shooting helicopters down.
Speaker 5: How the fuck did you even get those weapons?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Someone gave it to a obviously if that's it's the case,
Speaker 5: somebody funded these people too. I mean, all you do
Speaker 5: is you drop off a creative fucking shit. Somebody's gonna
Speaker 5: start touching with him, playing with it. Just have a helicopter,
Speaker 5: Just drop it in the village there you go have.
Speaker 2: Fun, right or I mean it's like, do you guys
Speaker 2: ever remember Ted Bundy ever having a job ever? Like,
Speaker 2: did it ever say? He worked part time at Wendy's,
Speaker 2: He shined shoes at a train station, Like, did he
Speaker 2: ever have a fucking job ever? But he's able to
Speaker 2: buy train and plane tickets to Florida, He's able to
Speaker 2: live in multiple areas of the US, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Colorado.
Speaker 2: He's always on the move, he's always staying at luxury
Speaker 2: hotels and shitept.
Speaker 3: That he came from the family, that Bundy family, you know,
Speaker 3: which is a well known American Illuminati bloodline. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: His dad was definitely military, so maybe.
Speaker 3: He did come from that bloodline and they were just
Speaker 3: well to do, but still getting funded.
Speaker 2: You know, somebody's funding this shit, somebody's given them stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, the second I see a Netflix movie or
Speaker 2: documentary pop up about a serial killer, I immediately want
Speaker 2: to start looking into them because it's like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is one of yours, right, this is the this is
Speaker 2: one of the It's like it kind of makes me
Speaker 2: want to look at Scott Peterson. It kind of makes
Speaker 2: me want to look at you know. I talked to
Speaker 2: JJ about OJ and I learned a lot of interesting
Speaker 2: information because it's like these ones that get propped up. Please,
Speaker 2: for the love of God, look into him, because you
Speaker 2: will find stuff that will rock your fucking world. It
Speaker 2: will make you look at everything differently. And it's like
Speaker 2: they got zac Efron to play Ted Bundy, like really
Speaker 2: like one of the sexiest guys of all time, so
Speaker 2: you fan what fantasize about him. It's weird, maybe a
Speaker 2: pretty good job. He like there's like a sexualization to
Speaker 2: it though, right, Like, why would you pick such a
Speaker 2: handsome man to put And it.
Speaker 10: Was wasn't Bundy.
Speaker 3: He's supposed to be like handsome or whatever, like that
Speaker 3: era or whatever.
Speaker 2: He would he wouldn't know, Zach Effer.
Speaker 5: You know, it was weird though, Like now when you
Speaker 5: want to get into like the drue crimeer, nowadays you
Speaker 5: had like supposedly mad crazy chicks are going nuts for
Speaker 5: sucking the kid from Idaho four and it's like, yo,
Speaker 5: that dude was like fucking funked.
Speaker 2: Up, looking like people who said the Columbine one of
Speaker 2: the Columbine was attractive? Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 5: You could just be like people who are attracted to
Speaker 5: sick folks. What it could really mean is that just
Speaker 5: humanity's at that point right now.
Speaker 4: There's women who get off on right, and.
Speaker 1: It's just become so desensitized. And I think I used
Speaker 1: to be really big into the true crime. I used
Speaker 1: to love listening to true crime podcasts, and I think
Speaker 1: I just got to this point where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just can't consume it as much anymore, looking into such
Speaker 1: a dark psyche like that. And it's like, you're right,
Speaker 1: all of these crime shows are so mass produced. It's
Speaker 1: these documentaries and people like drool over it and feed
Speaker 1: over it, and it's kind of I've gotten to a
Speaker 1: point now where I'm kind of disgusted by it, Like
Speaker 1: how people get so excited over I know you're talking
Speaker 1: about the guy who remember the guy who killed his
Speaker 1: family I think can't remember his name, and then he
Speaker 1: had that girlfriend on the side and he literally killed
Speaker 1: his baby.
Speaker 2: Girls in the oil fields.
Speaker 10: Chris.
Speaker 1: He's another one of those guys that women go crazy over.
Speaker 1: And I just think that the way that true crime
Speaker 1: is pushed out in this murder and you know, just
Speaker 1: all this girls, it's just gross how much.
Speaker 4: Idolizes they idolized.
Speaker 2: Yes, it idolizes it. And to me, like, I'm with
Speaker 2: because I I used to watch the crime shows. I
Speaker 2: used to listen to crime junkies podcasts. I used to
Speaker 2: listen to There was a girl that I used to
Speaker 2: follow on YouTube that would do her makeup and like
Speaker 2: talk about serial killers and shit, she's real cute. But
Speaker 2: the problem is, it's like, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: sound like I'm better than anyone, but it's like, you're
Speaker 2: not giving people the full truth when you talk about
Speaker 2: this stuff. If you're not going to mention that these
Speaker 2: are most likely by design murderers who have been turned
Speaker 2: against their own people and created by secret military programs,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like you're sensationalizing the death part in
Speaker 2: the murder part and the killer part, but you're not
Speaker 2: talking about where they came from or why they even exist,
Speaker 2: because until like the sixties, nobody was worried about you know, hey,
Speaker 2: did you make sure the front doors? We don't want
Speaker 2: fucking Richard Ramirez to come in here and rape grandma,
Speaker 2: Like nobody was talking about that. So, I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna get into the true crime, you have to
Speaker 2: back it up with where it potentially came from the
Speaker 2: whole serial killer movement, much like the Laurel Canyon. It's
Speaker 2: it's a setup, and you know, we've we've fallen for
Speaker 2: it totally, and.
Speaker 9: How much money it has generated as a genre, yes,
Speaker 9: huge energy.
Speaker 5: Oh energy, Yeah, you know there's even I've even mentioned
Speaker 5: this with uh. It's about with Lisa, Uh, just talking
Speaker 5: about the podcast in general, just like sometimes like either
Speaker 5: the show not going through so much growing pains, but
Speaker 5: maybe like me deciding like what do I really want
Speaker 5: to do? What do I enjoy doing? And I had
Speaker 5: said at one point, even with the True Crime, I said,
Speaker 5: it's almost like uncomfortable because it's like you are kind
Speaker 5: of like pimping out, like real fucked up shit, and
Speaker 5: like at one point, yeah, and I was like and
Speaker 5: at one point, like when the show first started, that
Speaker 5: was a different co host that I had, and they
Speaker 5: were very much geared to like always covering pedophilia shit,
Speaker 5: you know, very like hashtag save the children type dude,
Speaker 5: and even that shit was sorry to get to me
Speaker 5: because I was like, oh, this is just like fucking
Speaker 5: like something like you know, it's like yo, like I'm
Speaker 5: not for nothing, but I was just like putting this
Speaker 5: shit out, I'm gonna fucking break the internet and stop
Speaker 5: it from happening, like what the fuck? Like I don't know.
Speaker 5: Just after a while, it's like this is just weird
Speaker 5: and just that and true crime. It's just like I
Speaker 5: kind of wanted I mean, I know we're doing a
Speaker 5: true crime now, but like if people were to kind
Speaker 5: of look at how the show was in the beginning, uh,
Speaker 5: you could definitely say that it definitely changed with that.
Speaker 5: I think it was like a little too much, and
Speaker 5: I just looked at it as kind of like a
Speaker 5: little weird. Yeah, and I just hate I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: totally honest with you people that are huge into both,
Speaker 5: I'm just throwing it out there every cult minded and
Speaker 5: that sort of get me wounded out to just be
Speaker 5: totally honestly.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's good to take it in small doses.
Speaker 3: That's why, you know, my show is not mainly about
Speaker 3: true crime or the pair of political realm. But I still,
Speaker 3: you know, I produce a show every Tuesday that dives
Speaker 3: into Mark, Mark Dutroux and the Process and Temple is City,
Speaker 3: you know, so I get my feel of all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel you on just like the constant
Speaker 3: consuming of it.
Speaker 10: I couldn't do it. I couldn't talk about it like
Speaker 10: that either.
Speaker 5: Well even for me, it was just like even for
Speaker 5: the whole thing of the show, it's like I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to actually pedle fear. I'm actually trying
Speaker 5: to pedal like, you know, not so much knowledge but information.
Speaker 5: And it's like all I'm doing is just handing fear
Speaker 5: and hate to my listeners when I cover that stuff
Speaker 5: over and over and over.
Speaker 2: For me, I think the problem with presenting it in
Speaker 2: certain ways is that it's like Nick and Jules was saying,
Speaker 2: it can almost drain you to a certain degree if
Speaker 2: you present it in certain ways. I like to present
Speaker 2: it in a way that I would feel like it's
Speaker 2: more empowering to the listener, like, can you believe they've
Speaker 2: ran this program on us? Can you believe the connections
Speaker 2: between these guys. This isn't on accident. There's not random
Speaker 2: crazy people that are going to come to kids, right
Speaker 2: It's like they are running game on us, and we
Speaker 2: need to wake up to the fact that there is
Speaker 2: not random serial killers in your neighborhood that are going
Speaker 2: to come and kill you in your fucking house with
Speaker 2: your kids. There's unless there unless, But you look at
Speaker 2: the victims most of the time, they're they're chosen for
Speaker 2: a reason. Even with the Manson murders, Sharon Tate and
Speaker 2: all those people were chosen for a reason, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that that was a sacrifice right there, because
Speaker 3: wasn't Polanski shooting Rosemary at the time.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there is something there.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say. For me, I think it's
Speaker 2: empowering to talk about the programmed aspect of it, because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, there are serial killer
Speaker 2: shirt Most of them are fucking psychos that have been
Speaker 2: ran through some kind of a program. A lot of
Speaker 2: the victims, a lot of this stuff is staged. Even yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of stuff is, numbers are inflated,
Speaker 2: stuff gets there's crisis actors, there's you know. So when
Speaker 2: I talk about it, I like to come at it
Speaker 2: from an angle of yes, this stuff is real, it's
Speaker 2: not what you think it is. You got to look
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Most of these people are connected and
Speaker 2: just be weary when you see something in the news,
Speaker 2: when you see a Netflix documentary, when you see something
Speaker 2: like this, you have to look in the background because
Speaker 2: when you do, it almost makes you feel better, like,
Speaker 2: ah shit, this is all like stage scripted, this is programmed,
Speaker 2: this is you know, it gives you back the uh
Speaker 2: discernment of is this scary or not? And most of
Speaker 2: the time it's not because it's like, oh it's another
Speaker 2: fucking CIA program. Thanks guys, fuck you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's always those guys.
Speaker 9: You know me.
Speaker 5: Even even like the last thing that I think that
Speaker 5: this show even covered, like true crime like me and List,
Speaker 5: I covered the Zizians, and when we covered that, I
Speaker 5: think we might have spent a total like four minutes
Speaker 5: actually talking about what the fuck they did, and the
Speaker 5: whole other two hours was actually their connections all through
Speaker 5: AI and we're to actually show there's something that's created this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, see the funding, the you know, how it's being
Speaker 9: propped up potentially.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a little bit different too, And the
Speaker 5: way you covered that way, I'm a little bit more comfortable,
Speaker 5: but some people just don't know it's different and.
Speaker 9: It covers it. I absolutely love it, like it's.
Speaker 5: Very That's why I have heard it all the time.
Speaker 9: Though, Yeah, in that it's in depth, but it's not
Speaker 9: it's not heavy, yeah for sure. And I know, like
Speaker 9: the reason that I was very into true crime and
Speaker 9: I still am, I'll admit it, is that I have
Speaker 9: a hyper analytical brain that if it's not over analyzing
Speaker 9: and piecing and tearing apart things and putting them back together,
Speaker 9: I tend to go mad a little bit. And and
Speaker 9: so that kind of serves as an outlet as a puzzle, like, oh,
Speaker 9: there's this puzzle that you my brain can kind of
Speaker 9: work on in the background. But then when we started
Speaker 9: covering the Smiling Face Killers and seeing how all of
Speaker 9: it was contrived and how multiple areas where there were
Speaker 9: corners or medical examiners not even investigating the case, I
Speaker 9: was like, this is this isn't even a real investigation.
Speaker 9: You start to loose my brain start to lose the
Speaker 9: ability to want to piece it all together because of
Speaker 9: evidence it was being presented was manufactured. Almost. So, yeah,
Speaker 9: it definitely definitely everything you said really at one hundred
Speaker 9: percent agree.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad you can see it the
Speaker 2: same way too, because I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: power and just knowledge, like make yourself aware of simple
Speaker 2: explanations for things. Don't make it like a crazy bunch
Speaker 2: of killers out there and you never know when one's
Speaker 2: going to strike and or if you're going to be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it. There is crime. There are real rapists,
Speaker 2: there are real psychos out there. But the ones that
Speaker 2: get their own Hulu special I mean the ones that
Speaker 2: you know, you you check those sure to.
Speaker 5: Make sure it's locked it's I think those are all
Speaker 5: for sure fake. I think those are ways that they
Speaker 5: still drain and make money off.
Speaker 4: Of the fucking thing.
Speaker 2: It's part of the theater, just like politics are part
Speaker 2: of the theater, right, just like assassination attempts can be
Speaker 2: part of the theater. Just like I mean, it's all
Speaker 2: part of the theater. Just like as we were talking
Speaker 2: about with Lee Harvey Oswald a little bit ago, how
Speaker 2: he knew one of these serial killers, Patrick Ernie, and
Speaker 2: like we all know what happened with JFK and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and it's like, dude, it's all part of
Speaker 2: this show. They all know each other, they all probably
Speaker 2: fucking hang out. This is not an accident. And you
Speaker 2: know when you know shit like that, you start to
Speaker 2: feel better about Like, Okay, they're doing this intentionally to
Speaker 2: terrify people. And how about fuck you?
Speaker 4: But mine is if my notes say butthhole socks in it,
Speaker 4: it's a good freaking episode.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean the next time, next time you
Speaker 2: see a body on the side of the road, make
Speaker 2: sure you check their be hole for a sock, because
Speaker 2: Randy Craft is still alive and he could very easily
Speaker 2: escape prison and murder someone near you.
Speaker 4: All right, Uh I realize that's the title is episode, right,
Speaker 4: be whole Sick.
Speaker 10: It's a good title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Kraft Government cheese, be whole sock killer.
Speaker 5: Yes, mm hmm oh damn. All right, Uh well, thank
Speaker 5: you very much, Julia. That was awesome as usual. That's
Speaker 5: what we love having you on for these Let everybody
Speaker 5: know where they can find only your amazing stuff again.
Speaker 2: Please, thanks Nick and thanks. I absolutely love tonight's show
Speaker 2: and everybody that was a part of the conversation. Matthew McConaughey,
Speaker 2: Bennett with this ASMR voice broke amazing, Lisa always insightful,
Speaker 2: loved every minute of it. I have my own show.
Speaker 2: It's called Cosmic Peach Podcast and it's available wherever you
Speaker 2: listen to podcasts. And I am in accult reject part time.
Speaker 2: Have a show once a week on the Cult of
Speaker 2: Conspiracy that you can check out on Saturdays. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I I just I like having a good time working
Speaker 2: with people having these type of conversations. It's just it's
Speaker 2: fun and entertaining but also informational. And thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: Definitely, no, thank you for presenting it. I appreciate it. Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, when I let the other reject real quick
Speaker 5: plug plug theirselves as well, we'll go with Jewels real Quick.
Speaker 5: Let everybody know where they.
Speaker 3: Can find you, guys, another banger of a show.
Speaker 10: Nick.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you making me a part of this panel.
Speaker 3: Hopefully I can come on for more. Yes, guys, you
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Speaker 3: at one thirty Central everyone, so you'll tune in. And
Speaker 3: then I think Friday Night, Nick, I think we're going
Speaker 3: on with Sunday Night Secret Society and and Chef, So
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a banger of a swapcast.
Speaker 10: We'll have a bunch of people in there, so y'all
Speaker 10: come hang out for that as.
Speaker 3: Well, and go check out our episode of All Yeah
Speaker 3: Already Dead last night if you haven't yet.
Speaker 10: Another banger.
Speaker 5: So appreciate you guys. Thanks all, appreciate it and Bennett so.
Speaker 4: So thanks for having me on. Guys, it was great.
Speaker 4: It was so much fun. Be holes and all. You
Speaker 4: can find me at the Broadcasting Seeds podcast broadcasting seeds
Speaker 4: dot com or all the lovely you know podcast players
Speaker 4: of your choice. Awesome.
Speaker 5: Thank you much.
Speaker 10: I'll followed you over there by the way, Deniciata, thanks
Speaker 10: yeah man.
Speaker 2: And our bedtime stories with Bennette.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know I'm always looking to do another broadcast,
Speaker 4: So there you go. Keep if I don't do enough, and.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Brock. Please let everybody know what they can
Speaker 5: find your music shop.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for having me on,
Speaker 1: and thank you Julia for presenting the topic. I think
Speaker 1: you showed us tonight that the web is so much
Speaker 1: wider than we thought and it goes deep. But thank
Speaker 1: you again for having me on. You can and find
Speaker 1: my show Dark Florida wherever you get your podcasts and
Speaker 1: interact over on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Brook, I always appreciate you coming
Speaker 5: on the show. And last and not Elise Lisa the
Speaker 5: occult reject demanded scientist, what is going on?
Speaker 9: Thank you for inviting me? Julia, amazing presentation always and
Speaker 9: I know that you know we would, don't I want
Speaker 9: to do more serial killers with you. I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 9: just going to come out and say it. I love
Speaker 9: the way you cover them. I love discussing them with you.
Speaker 9: I would like for this entire Panelytics stay exactly the
Speaker 9: same when we discuss another serial killer, please please, please,
Speaker 9: And so just going to put that out there. Thank
Speaker 9: you everyone. I very much enjoyed the discussion. And the
Speaker 9: only thing I would like to plug is the Occult
Speaker 9: Research Institute dot org, where some of the rejects have
Speaker 9: contributed in a literary form content to things that have
Speaker 9: been discussed on the podcast or not. But it supplies
Speaker 9: a lot of information esoteric, ecoteric, what have you. But
Speaker 9: please check us out there on a cult research institute
Speaker 9: dot org.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Lisa, and thank you everybody again
Speaker 5: on the paddle. That was awesome. I had a great chat,
Speaker 5: and thank you for everybody in the chat as well.
Speaker 5: That's what's up. I saw a lot of people there
Speaker 5: in the YouTube chat from the beginning to end. I
Speaker 5: appreciate that. That's where we go live and until the
Speaker 5: next one, everybody be well.
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