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<v Speaker 1>Baby, you're a gangstato. It takes at a tangle.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Mess with me, Mess with me, baby, you're a GANGSTERA.

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<v Speaker 4>Tou ouch baby, you're a Gangstattoo.

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<v Speaker 5>For the warning.

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<v Speaker 6>This podcast is designed to take you outside of your

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<v Speaker 6>comfort zone and make you question reality. Listening discretion is

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<v Speaker 6>a vibe the fellas.

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<v Speaker 2>This ain't my first time at the rodeos.

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<v Speaker 7>M m hm.

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<v Speaker 5>This episode we got myself obviously, and we got a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of the rejects with us today, and we've got

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<v Speaker 5>Bennett joining us from broadcasting Seeds today. I'll let everybody

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<v Speaker 5>go around and introduce themselves. Lisa, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 5>The mid scientist?

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<v Speaker 7>How?

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<v Speaker 8>What?

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<v Speaker 9>How are you? I am excited this. When you sent

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<v Speaker 9>me the notification on the title, I was like, this

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<v Speaker 9>is gonna be a killer episode. Can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>No pun intended.

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<v Speaker 9>Killer ye ye, pun totally intended. So I'm really looking for.

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<v Speaker 9>Julie usually brings the heat I love when she covers,

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<v Speaker 9>especially serial killers or whatever. It's it's always a fun ride.

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<v Speaker 9>So thank you so much for having me on and

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<v Speaker 9>invite me on.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh of course, thank you. I'm glad you can make

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<v Speaker 5>it and we got Brooke joining us as well tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>What is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm happy to be here with the fellow rejects

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I'm super excited to get into this topic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, definitely should be something something interesting. Just put the

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<v Speaker 5>name you're like, what's the fun? So awesome and thank

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<v Speaker 5>you very much for joining us. And we got Jewels

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<v Speaker 5>from Great Pill Podcast. What is going on? Man?

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<v Speaker 10>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 10>What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody? Jewels the Great Pill Podcast. You probably see me

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<v Speaker 3>on here a lot. I'm more into the occult esoteric

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<v Speaker 3>realm of things, but I do love true crime and

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<v Speaker 3>the pair of political so it's always fun to get

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<v Speaker 3>in on these conversations.

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<v Speaker 10>And I appreciate you invite me man.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all go find me on Patreon, Patreon dot com, slash

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<v Speaker 3>Great Pill Podcast.

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<v Speaker 10>You get a free sticker pack and yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>for the other people who may not know who he

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<v Speaker 5>is yet, I mean, even though he's been on the

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<v Speaker 5>show a few times, he does cover occult stuff and

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<v Speaker 5>he does like specific topics. We've had him on for

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<v Speaker 5>one of them. I highly suggest to go check out

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<v Speaker 5>his channel if you're into the oculty does have stuff

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<v Speaker 5>that's worthy of listening to. So thank you very much

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<v Speaker 5>for joining us. Jewels, I appreciate it. And we got

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<v Speaker 5>Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. What is going on?

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<v Speaker 4>My man?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so happy you were able to join us today.

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<v Speaker 4>How how is everybody? I appreciate you having me on again?

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<v Speaker 4>Bennett Tanton from Broadcasting Seeds Broadcasting Seeds dot Com. I

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<v Speaker 4>pretty much talk about everything in the High Strangeness realm

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<v Speaker 4>from and I would include true crime in that too,

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<v Speaker 4>because some of that shit gets freaky. So so yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you having me on, and it's a pleasure

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<v Speaker 4>to be here.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course. No, thank you very much. I was just

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<v Speaker 5>on your show recently. I had a blast, so I'm

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<v Speaker 5>happy to have you.

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<v Speaker 4>Good time.

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<v Speaker 5>Hell yeah, yeah, it was good chat, good chat. And finally,

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<v Speaker 5>you know the guests of the hour, hour and a

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<v Speaker 5>half Julia from Cosmic Peach. What is going on? Julia?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? Nick? I'm so excited for this one. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having me on to present this. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a blast. And obviously I've covered similar topics like this

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<v Speaker 2>before on Occult Rejects. As far as the program Serial Killers,

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<v Speaker 2>and the like. But this one I found on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>This one did not come from the Program to Kill book.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like if David McGowan would have known

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<v Speaker 2>about this guy, he would have been in the book

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<v Speaker 2>because damn, you know, there is a lot of connections

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<v Speaker 2>with this guy to the whole Program to Kill Blueprint.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll see that as as the presentation moves along.

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<v Speaker 2>But so you look at this Bennett first comment of

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<v Speaker 2>the night s ASMR channel they want you to read

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<v Speaker 2>them bedtime stories.

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<v Speaker 4>I was always I've always been told that I should

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<v Speaker 4>be doing a bedtime stories with uncle Bennett.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have we have jewels over here. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Matthew McConaughey, Bill be reading kids bedtime stories, ghost

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<v Speaker 2>bedtime stories. This is gonna be an interesting This is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a really good show. I already have a

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<v Speaker 2>feeling already.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a dark and stormy night.

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<v Speaker 10>That's not the first time I've heard that.

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<v Speaker 7>Love.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so obviously I want you guys to bust

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<v Speaker 2>in if you have any questions or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and or if you I mean, are you guys familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with this guy at all? Randy Kraft, have you heard

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<v Speaker 2>about him. Do you know what he did anything?

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<v Speaker 10>I know?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, like legit. I mean, well, part of it

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<v Speaker 4>is because I was in the Marines and he killed

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<v Speaker 4>a whole bunch of Marines. So oh that's how I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when I saw the topic for the show, I

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<v Speaker 1>did research thinking we were going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the government cheese stores.

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<v Speaker 5>So no, yeah, that's what I was hoping for too.

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<v Speaker 5>Even when I made the thumbnail, I was like, yo, cha,

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<v Speaker 5>GPD can throw fucking cheese in the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I always get pissed off because a

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<v Speaker 2>lot like what's talked about in Program to Kill is

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<v Speaker 2>how these guys get these like super Bitch and monikers

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<v Speaker 2>like Green River Killer, Hillside Strangler, BTK, you Bye, Torture Kill,

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<v Speaker 2>and they go down as like these mega villains and histories,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, deadly at crime and all that. They almost

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<v Speaker 2>get like sensationalized and almost like they're a celebrity or

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<v Speaker 2>something because they get these like the Zodiac Killer and

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<v Speaker 2>shit like that. So Randy Kraft is actually known by

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<v Speaker 2>many things. He's known as the Scorecard Killer, the Southern

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<v Speaker 2>California Strangler. But I gave him my own moniker because

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<v Speaker 2>I think obviously if you have a last name like

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<v Speaker 2>Craft and you are in the Army I think air Force.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually he's in the air Force. His last name is Craft,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's a piece of human dog shit, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he deserves to have a ridiculous moniker because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous person. And so I named him the Government Cheese

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<v Speaker 2>Killer because yeah, fuck this guy. He doesn't get to

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<v Speaker 2>go down as like history's mega villain. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>he just doesn't like this some of the stuff. It

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<v Speaker 2>is so repulsive. It was hard for me to almost

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<v Speaker 2>get through the research because it was turning my stomach

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<v Speaker 2>like inside out. And I couldn't believe I had never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of this guy before. You hear about all of

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<v Speaker 2>like the top dogs like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, the

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<v Speaker 2>Zodiac that those, they're all infamous and everybody knows about him.

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<v Speaker 2>But my husband was listening to this podcast the other

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<v Speaker 2>day and they were talking about Randy Kraft and like

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff he did, and I was like, who

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck is this guy? And then you look at

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<v Speaker 2>his crimes and you're like, what the actual fuck is this?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it deserves definitely its own episode, But

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of this, I'm actually going to show

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<v Speaker 2>you how he could have been possibly confused for like

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<v Speaker 2>three other guys who were doing the same thing around

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, and whether or not they knew about

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<v Speaker 2>each other remains a mystery, But it just seems odd

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<v Speaker 2>that three serial killers would be in the same area,

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrating almost identical crimes to each other, all in the

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<v Speaker 2>southern California area, and not know about each other. It

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<v Speaker 2>just seems a little bit too much for coincidence in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion. But yeah, did you guys have any questions

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<v Speaker 2>about this guy before we get started, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just want to say I like that you gave him

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<v Speaker 1>a crappy name to go with it, because it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of reminds me a btk. He wanted to be called

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<v Speaker 1>something cool, He wanted that notoriety, and you're right, they

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<v Speaker 1>just don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't, right, Thank you, Broke. It's like you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get to go down as like buying torture killed. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you see that guy? First off, his name is fucking Dennis.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Dennis, and he looks like, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>does look like a Dennis, And he wore these fucking

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<v Speaker 2>huge ass eighties dad glasses and he like helped out

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<v Speaker 2>at his church's youth group or something like that. If

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<v Speaker 2>you saw him, if you saw Dennis Raider at Walmart,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, for sure he has like a boy

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<v Speaker 2>scout camp somewhere that he runs like. He just looked

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<v Speaker 2>like this totally upstanding, like nerd, douchebag guy that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is your typical you know co in eighties dad.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, he's buying torture kill crazy shit, right, So.

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<v Speaker 9>Julia, isn't it weird that like most of these notorious

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<v Speaker 9>or infamous killers are from southern California or Southern California esque,

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<v Speaker 9>or they visited southern California or they have some sort

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<v Speaker 9>of association with Southern California.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lisa is hitting it right on the head with that,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you read Programmed to Kill, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that he talks about is how just in California alone,

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<v Speaker 2>like all of these Cereal Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Randy krat Richard Ramirez, I mean, they all

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<v Speaker 2>come out of California. And it is even documented that

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Bundy flew to California for a considerable period a

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<v Speaker 2>time when it was doing something before he went back

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<v Speaker 2>to Seattle and became the ripper that we just do.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he was doing something.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a Mormon. I don't know if people know that he.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had the complete backing support of his local

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<v Speaker 2>Mormon church the first time he got arrested, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all made fucking signs for him, and they said we

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<v Speaker 2>love Ted, and they were outside the courthouse rubbing their

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<v Speaker 2>fucking nipples. He go, Ted is a good guy, Ted, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? He's literally a fucking rapist, murderer.

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<v Speaker 2>It just kills me. It kills me, like you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are supposed to have great intuition and be so close

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<v Speaker 2>to the Lord, and you guys got Joseph Smith and

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<v Speaker 2>all this shit going on. You're supposed to be all,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, intuitive, and you got literally a poster saying

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<v Speaker 2>we love Ted. He probably raped and murdered sixty your

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<v Speaker 2>kids and you gotta sign outside the court ouse saying

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<v Speaker 2>we love Ted. Like that, to me is how crazy

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<v Speaker 2>all of this gets. Because these people side and plain sight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think that it's an accident. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's by design. They're master manipulators. They're highly functioning psychopaths,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that they are chosen because of this

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<v Speaker 2>to be a part of these programs highly functioning psychopaths, narcissists, manipulative,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Like, you don't get chosen

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<v Speaker 2>to be a part of the program to kill academy

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<v Speaker 2>if you're just like a normal guy who has a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast and works for progressive you know, that's you're not

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<v Speaker 3>And that kind of leads into like, you know, how

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<v Speaker 3>how long were these people prepped before they started to

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<v Speaker 3>commit these crimes, like where they kidnapped as children, where

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<v Speaker 3>they bred into it, you know, and that goes into

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well, Jules think think of it like this.

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<v Speaker 2>They set up all these gifted and talented programs at

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<v Speaker 2>schools looking for something. Okay, they set up a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of programs for young kids. Then they're clearly looking for something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, They're they're organizing field trips. Like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>story about Jeffrey Dahmer going on a school field trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Washington and he makes some kind of anomaloust phone

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<v Speaker 2>call to who we don't know, and he is able

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<v Speaker 2>to arrange a private tour of the White House for

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<v Speaker 2>him and all of his uh student friends in his class,

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<v Speaker 2>Like why who the fuck did he call? And how

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<v Speaker 10>Matter ask those questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing is, it's like, all right, everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>about that. Everybody knows that Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh, he's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>He made a phone call and he got this private

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<v Speaker 2>tour at the White House. He's also said to be

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<v Speaker 2>a highly functioning psychopath, a narcissist, manipulative. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>the army. I mean, it's like, I think that they

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<v Speaker 2>find these kids at a young age, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that they're looking for these specific markers and if you

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<v Speaker 2>fit the you know, whatever it is, if you check

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<v Speaker 2>all the boxes, you get to be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>something like this. And most of the time I think

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<v Speaker 2>that they are programmed to either forget their crimes or

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<v Speaker 2>to not even remember that they've been programmed at all,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like Manchurian candidates. It's like, go out, they

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<v Speaker 2>do this stuff, they come back, they don't even remember

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, or they don't remember being programmed to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know a lot of people's oh, not everything is, CIA,

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<v Speaker 2>Not everything is, And that's true, But there is a

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<v Speaker 2>blueprint actually that you can look for. Not every serial

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<v Speaker 2>too much in common to just be a coincidence. And

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is one of them, just like Ted Bundy Dahmer.

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<v Speaker 2>They all fit this blueprint and this guy and.

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<v Speaker 5>real quick before you go. And I know it's going

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<v Speaker 5>off a little off topic, but like you had mentioned somebody,

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<v Speaker 5>uh yeah, he got to go to the White House.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean even when Gaysey was in prison, he had

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<v Speaker 5>I forgot what you call it, but it's like when

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<v Speaker 5>keep on trying to get it in. You had one

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<v Speaker 5>of those installed in the prison he was in. How

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<v Speaker 5>you get this dumb while.

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<v Speaker 4>You're in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>He also had like McDonald's delivered to his fucking cell,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had like civilian clothing delivered to him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he had like all this stuff. He has a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of him in the first lady.

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<v Speaker 5>Just ye close to the carters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>he used to run that. He used to run a

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, so he was a part of the j

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<v Speaker 2>he was a part of the Jaycy. I mean that,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm talking about if you look, because Ted

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<v Speaker 2>Bundy was also involved in politics, and you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was a Mormon. He was you know, as been. It

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, he was really involved in his community, and

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<v Speaker 2>it made people think like, oh, they couldn't he couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>up guy. Look at him. He's great. And it's by

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<v Speaker 2>design that these guys just blend right in. Just like

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<v Speaker 2>BTK he's like helping out at his church and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever. So it's not an accident that these

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<v Speaker 2>you know, blend into their surroundings. This guy, Randy Kraft,

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<v Speaker 2>he was enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and

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<v Speaker 2>he was also involved in some kind of campaign rallies

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<v Speaker 2>for Barry Goldwater in nineteen sixty four. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>also like really involved in supporting the Vietnam war, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was like his first taste of like becoming political.

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<v Speaker 2>And he actually ended up organizing campaign rallies for Robert F. Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he got real tight with Robert F. Kennedy, and

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<v Speaker 2>he got like some kind of letter of recognition or

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<v Speaker 2>something from Robert F. Kennedy because he was helping him

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<v Speaker 2>out so much with his campaign. So again, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look for like the subtle clues in the background, they're

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be there somehow political, somehow in a

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<v Speaker 2>gifted and talented program at school, highly functioning psychopath narcissists.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like always hidden somewhere in there, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>look hard enough, you'll find it. So a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Dahmer and Teddy Randy Craft also seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to elude police officers multiple times or downright just

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<v Speaker 2>get away with shit, get arrested and get almost no bail,

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<v Speaker 2>a very small bail, or not arrested at all, Like

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<v Speaker 2>how like that has to be another part of the

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<v Speaker 2>blueprint is how can you keep getting arrested? How can

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<v Speaker 2>you keep getting in trouble for the same bullshit over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again and nothing ever happened to you, Like

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he had victims that

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<v Speaker 2>actually got returned back to him by police officer.

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<v Speaker 5>Story. It's like, how to come on.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy did too Randy Craft police officers brought a

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<v Speaker 2>victim who just said that guy raped me in the asshole,

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<v Speaker 2>beat me over the head, drugged me, molested me. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in the hospital. They took him back to Randy

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<v Speaker 2>Craft's apartment, never filed any charges against him, He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even get he didn't even get a night in jail,

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<v Speaker 2>and just skirt it on the whole thing. That was

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<v Speaker 2>his first victim. So again, if you look at this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>it's too much to be a coincidence, Like, how does

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy who have so much in

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<v Speaker 2>comment from their past end up getting victims returned to

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<v Speaker 2>them no jail time they alluded to release at every stop.

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<v Speaker 5>I Mean, another common thing I've noticed too is this

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<v Speaker 5>you will also get a lot of people where it's

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<v Speaker 5>the right amount of time for the first crime they

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<v Speaker 5>to begin with, all this other shit never would have happened, dude,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like Bundy Gacy and this guy, if they

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<v Speaker 5>would have gotten court or case, you would have stayed

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<v Speaker 5>have had first time. We wouldn't have killed all.

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<v Speaker 4>These other folks.

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<v Speaker 1>And Charles Manson the same thing happened with him. He

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, these guys there, many of these serial killer guys,

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<v Speaker 4>right that the folk they're they just what ends up

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<v Speaker 4>happening is that they they're nice, clean cut guys, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And it's all a persona literally a dual personality, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And most of them are highly intelligent, and they do

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<v Speaker 4>up getting into positions where they wheeld influence. That's part

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<v Speaker 4>of the reason they get into politics, right. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>they literally, you know, uh, mold themselves into high functioning

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<v Speaker 4>organized killers because that's the one thing about Craft is

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<v Speaker 4>he's so organized, well, all of them, don or Bundy,

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<v Speaker 4>so they're able to get away with it for so long.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they're polished, intelligent, well integrated into society, all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff, respectable. They put that respectable mask on.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes they even you know, I feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>go out of their ways to even pick kind of

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<v Speaker 2>attractive people because you do hear about, like there's one

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<v Speaker 2>that I really want to talk to you guys about

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<v Speaker 2>in a future episode. His name is Rodney Alcola. He's

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<v Speaker 2>also known as the Dating Game Killer, and they made

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<v Speaker 2>a movie about him on Netflix is called The Woman

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<v Speaker 2>of the Hour and it talks about his crimes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>What they won't tell you in that movie though, or

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<v Speaker 2>any Netflix documentary, is this guy's also definitely fits the

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<v Speaker 2>blueprint for program to Kill. But he's a good fucking

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<v Speaker 2>looking guy. He's like a fair of faucet haircuted, fucking

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<v Speaker 2>freak strangler and if you saw the guy, you would

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<v Speaker 2>definitely be interested in him. Like some people talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Bundy was attractive, Rodney, I'll call it was like

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<v Speaker 2>a Native American guy or something like that. He had

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<v Speaker 2>like real dark hair, you know, tall, dark and handsome,

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<v Speaker 2>ended up fucking raping and murdering one hundred and thirty women.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's to me, it's like they go out of

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<v Speaker 2>their way to like find attractive, extremely intelligent, manipulative psychopaths

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<v Speaker 2>to be a part of this, you know, the only one.

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<v Speaker 9>You're saying, Julia. What you're saying, Julia is that them

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<v Speaker 9>and the pharmaceutical reps also look for attractive people too.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred. The pharmaceutical reps are horrible for that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll send like a girl with their tits half out

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much up into a place that literally just gut

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<v Speaker 2>these in like a handful of pills. And the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I love Chick fil A. The thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>always say, though, is the one person I can think

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<v Speaker 2>of that doesn't fit that uh stereotype would be John

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Gacy because he was just a fat, gross motherfucker,

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<v Speaker 2>just a nasty He just looked like he like mopped

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<v Speaker 2>floors at KFC, Like you just see him and be

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<v Speaker 5>No, he did, if I remember correctly, No joke. Didn't

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<v Speaker 5>he actually run KFCs before he started doing He.

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<v Speaker 2>Did, He did, and he requested KFC for his last meal.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't one inspiration too for Captain Spaulding, so

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the same vibe. I'm pretty sure when Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Zombie was crafting his character that he played on that

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<v Speaker 1>influence A big question for motherfucker Yea, he ant so

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<v Speaker 1>and he and Captain Spaulding sells chicken right freaking gas station.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's funny question.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were when you were talking about how there's

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<v Speaker 1>several I think you'll probably get to it, but how

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<v Speaker 1>they were all some other active serial killers in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if you watched the show Sandman or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but okay, So basically, there's this convention of serial killers

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<v Speaker 1>that all come together once a year and they break

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<v Speaker 1>off into many groups, like depending on if they're like

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<v Speaker 1>religious killers or people who poison or go for organs,

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<v Speaker 1>they like break up. When you said that, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you said they could be working together, my mind went there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know in the past on the Rejects, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have talked about a potentially a serial killer ring

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. I think that that's incredibly possible

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<v Speaker 1>that they could have been, in some facet aware of

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<v Speaker 1>what one another was doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Forty eight serial killers in California, Julia, that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's too much. I mean, that's too much. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>like Brooke was saying, Actually, Nick, if maybe you were

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<v Speaker 2>too high at the time, but maybe not, you could

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<v Speaker 2>remember this. We actually covered the Sandman together in an

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<v Speaker 2>episode called Netflix and Chill or something like that, do

421
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<v Speaker 2>you remember, And we talked about that serial killer convention

422
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.519
<v Speaker 2>because it was like pedophile serial killer and they all

423
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:20.480
<v Speaker 2>get just go to this one one convention at a

424
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:24.240
<v Speaker 2>hotel and talk and exchange notes and like you know,

425
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.640
<v Speaker 2>trade secrets and ship like that, and they put their

426
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:32.440
<v Speaker 2>heads together. But it seems to.

427
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.200
<v Speaker 9>Me, kill a con by the way, kill a coon,

428
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.079
<v Speaker 9>Kill kill a con, Kill a con. I'm just kidding.

429
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that'd be a good I think in the show

430
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.839
<v Speaker 1>it was a serial convention, but like the Cereal you Eat?

431
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I was.

432
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Sitting here thinking like they had some kind of a cover.

433
00:25:54.359 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Of a magazine up and they're like, where's the fruit looves, Like,

434
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 1>we don't see any cereal?

435
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:04.519
<v Speaker 7>Right.

436
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 2>That's actually a really good show if anybody hasn't watched it.

437
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>It's full of esoteric and occult symbolism, as Nick pointed

438
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>out in the show we did together. But I do

439
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>think they're aware of each other. I do think that

440
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.279
<v Speaker 2>some serial killers can just be random psychos that go

441
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.279
<v Speaker 2>nuts and just end up killing people. I'm not gonna

442
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:28.559
<v Speaker 2>say all of them are programmed killers, but the ones

443
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:32.200
<v Speaker 2>that you find that are almost sensationalized to a degree

444
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 2>of becoming a celebrity or something like that. Or their

445
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.319
<v Speaker 2>crimes and their backgrounds are so similar to each other

446
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.599
<v Speaker 2>that you're like, what are the odds? Like they had

447
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to have known about each other. They're they're like killing

448
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.640
<v Speaker 2>their victims in the same exact way. They live a

449
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.680
<v Speaker 2>couple of blocks from each other. Like, how does this happen?

450
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 9>You know they write letters to each other. I know

451
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.359
<v Speaker 9>that there have been a couple of people that Nick

452
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.880
<v Speaker 9>and I have covered that they were exchanging letters with

453
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 9>each other. I think he was exchanging letters with BTK.

454
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't he shy?

455
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:11.920
<v Speaker 5>They're having conversations.

456
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:19.680
<v Speaker 9>They were having conversations that that is not uncommon for

457
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 9>for these convicted serial killers, that they will exchange letters

458
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:25.920
<v Speaker 9>with each other.

459
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 5>Well, we covered that to each.

460
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 9>Other or whatever, Right, So do.

461
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 5>You remember when we covered that. I can't remember exactly

462
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:35.720
<v Speaker 5>what it matched, but I saw it taking like bt

463
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 5>K and putting certain words through Jamatra and like certain

464
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 5>things were actually matching, like Oyster Bay or like the town,

465
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.519
<v Speaker 5>like the area where fucking should happened. I was like, yo,

466
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 5>is this something like weird like cult stuff going on

467
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 5>here in the news and.

468
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 9>It was it was btk's daughter. And then the what

469
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.400
<v Speaker 9>was it, not the Sunshine killer, but the Smiley killer,

470
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:01.319
<v Speaker 9>not face killers, but.

471
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't know it was it was happy Face, happy

472
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 5>Face killer, Happy.

473
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 9>Face Happy his daughter and then btk's daughter came out

474
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 9>and were in support of rex Hureman's family as well

475
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 9>as her daughter and they were very vocal in protecting

476
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 9>her and trying to provide some sort of support. Started

477
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.000
<v Speaker 9>up an entire goal fundme. We kind of did a

478
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 9>little bit of background on the daughter of Happy Face.

479
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 9>She's wanted for.

480
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 4>And scam outists.

481
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 9>She's like, but she has I think money crime.

482
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was a money crime and it's not illegal.

483
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 5>We used to tell us we had a two week

484
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 5>trial and we threw a name in there, and that's

485
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 5>what came up. She's already committed crimes with money and

486
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:54.720
<v Speaker 5>the only reason like we were even getting into that,

487
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 5>and you know, we can get back to the topic,

488
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.519
<v Speaker 5>but like when it comes to true crime, there is

489
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 5>something in my opinion, you sawm looking at these it's

490
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.319
<v Speaker 5>always the weird ones are the ones that make no

491
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.400
<v Speaker 5>sense and seem off the wall that everybody's got gofundme's

492
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 5>going on. It's a fucking grift. There's something going on.

493
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 5>The people who are even involved in the crimes that

494
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 5>possibly or even playing games with money, who the fuck knows,

495
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 5>but something's up. There's always these weird gofundmi's going on,

496
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 5>people raising them fifty grand so I can go watch

497
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 5>the Colburger trial. What the fuck you need fifty grand?

498
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.680
<v Speaker 9>You go watch a trial for I had a question

499
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 9>for Juliet. Do you think that there is like an

500
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 9>A team B team streams?

501
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Lisa think about it like this, Not only

502
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>could these be government programs that are broken up into

503
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.680
<v Speaker 2>sub sex for like whatever, mixing business with pleasure essentially

504
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>like gay guys. Obviously you got like Jeffrey Dahmer, and

505
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:50.839
<v Speaker 2>then you got guys like Rodney Alcalla and Ted Bundy.

506
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 2>They're not gay, but they murder. They're victims. In a

507
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 2>really similar way. I think that they're also mixed up

508
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>with magic in some way. The ritual behind the crimes,

509
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the areas in which they're perpetrating the crimes, the neighborhoods.

510
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.319
<v Speaker 3>And sorry, have you found any kind of significance to

511
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 3>the date of the certain crimes.

512
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to think about because I actually think a

513
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of the victim they'll say like, oh, we found

514
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 2>this body at this time, and we found this body

515
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 2>at this time. But there were so many active serial

516
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.359
<v Speaker 2>killers in and around the time Randy Craft was ripping

517
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and running through dude's buttholes during this time. I don't

518
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.359
<v Speaker 2>know who killed who. There was too many. It's like

519
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 2>there's like eighty victims and three serial killers and they

520
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>can't tell who the fuck did what. And it's like,

521
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>obviously this is significant someone because they're murdering in clusters

522
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 2>around the same time, all three of them in the

523
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>same exact way, like how.

524
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.960
<v Speaker 4>And they're still finding people like DNA evidence. Shit, they're

525
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 4>still trying it to like cold cases to these to

526
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 4>the sky.

527
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>So yes, yes, So he actually joined the United States

528
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Air Force and he was stationed at Edwards Air Force Base,

529
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 2>which is also the same Air Force base where a

530
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of the Laurel Canyon cast of characters came out

531
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 2>of Edwards Air Force Base also. Uh So, he was

532
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be a supervisor of teaching people how to

533
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 2>paint test planes. That's what he was supposed to that

534
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 2>that was his official job title. Uh is supervising the

535
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>painting of test planes, and he became an airman first class.

536
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>But he they found out that he was gay, and

537
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>they released him on medical grounds quote unquote, which you know,

538
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>on surface level you'd say, oh, well, that might have

539
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>been common back in the sixties, UH to get to

540
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, released on medical grounds for being gay. But

541
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.240
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, they don't let somebody like this just go.

542
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>He's too valuable obviously, so maybe the cover is we

543
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>let him go on the medical grounds, but he just

544
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 2>got repurposed in some you know, unclassified you know, program

545
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>to kill type academy thing because he had a genius IQ.

546
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>And after they dismissed him from the Air Force, he

547
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 2>found employment for the Aerospace program. So I mean a

548
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 2>lot of the victims that they say he killed were

549
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:41.039
<v Speaker 2>all around his business trips, traveling around for the aerospace program.

550
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:46.519
<v Speaker 2>So you know what I mean, It's like he didn't

551
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>travel too far outside of the uh sus a's fuck

552
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 2>category as far as employment goes. When he started killing

553
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>all these guys, it's like, oh, you were in the

554
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Air Force. Now you're working for the Aerospace program. And

555
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>every time you have a business trip like six dudes

556
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 2>get murdered in the area, Like, is that a coincidence?

557
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.519
<v Speaker 2>And then they find like pictures in DNA evidence later

558
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>that would link him to the crimes.

559
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 5>That's interesting. I want to just say real quickly. I

560
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 5>know it's kind of a between aerospace and NASA. I mean,

561
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 5>there's a difference there, But I do find it interesting.

562
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.079
<v Speaker 5>Remember how I mentioned it to you, and it's something

563
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 5>that I probably would like us to cover. At some

564
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 5>point I mentioned it to some of us here at

565
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 5>covering it where I had started noticing leases even notice

566
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 5>that other people have noticed it that, like, why is

567
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 5>there always somebody in NASA popping up with all these

568
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.839
<v Speaker 5>new fucking true crimes. There's always a link to somebody's

569
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 5>in fucking NASA. What's up with that?

570
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:47.160
<v Speaker 11>You know?

571
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 5>And when I you know? And again I always say,

572
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 5>I think NASA is basically like a Nazi magical operation.

573
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 5>So like, if I think that they're handling you shit

574
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.559
<v Speaker 5>and portraying it in a different way and people are

575
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.559
<v Speaker 5>believing it, why would they not do that with other

576
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 5>shit they're there. I've just mass the manipulators with the

577
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.119
<v Speaker 5>film and shit, you know, they make you believe whatever

578
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:05.119
<v Speaker 5>the fuck they throw on the screen.

579
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>And it's like I said before, it has to be

580
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>integrated with a magical aspect. It can't just be like, oh,

581
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the government program, you know, case clothes, that's it. There's

582
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>always like this weird magical aspect to it too, where

583
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like you said, they they fake all this moon

584
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 2>landing stuff, they fake all this space stuff. They lie

585
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.159
<v Speaker 2>to us constantly, right, and then it's there's just this

586
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 2>aspect of like serial killers and weirdos working for them

587
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>and shit like that, like, oh, nothing to see here,

588
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

589
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's just something I noticed, you know, and I

590
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.039
<v Speaker 5>just find it weird, all right.

591
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Oh I thought Lisa.

592
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 9>Lisa was about to sea interrupt. You know what's interesting,

593
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 9>Julie you were talking about, because I was going to

594
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 9>ask you what year did all this kind of start

595
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 9>to you know, transpire or whatever. It's interesting. I think

596
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 9>you said somewhere around the sixties, and you know, we've

597
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 9>covered at length this sixties on this podcast. What's interesting

598
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.519
<v Speaker 9>is that you do have a lot of presence of

599
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:12.280
<v Speaker 9>certain ops or certain operations from the government occurring in

600
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 9>bath houses during the sixties, especially in California, especially in

601
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 9>these big cities, especially in these cities where a lot

602
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 9>of tech is happening. Tech back then was aeronautics or

603
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 9>space programs or government programs and stuff like that. So

604
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.679
<v Speaker 9>it's interesting that they would have this guy who was

605
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 9>sexually active in the community that he would, you know,

606
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 9>be potentially has anyone looked at the victimology of like

607
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:47.679
<v Speaker 9>if his victims were involved in some sort of programs.

608
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 2>There were mostly marines, that's right, you said that.

609
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 9>Sorry, I apologize.

610
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.599
<v Speaker 2>I think actually Bennett had mentioned it. He killed a

611
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>fuckedn of Marines and other military men actually league, So

612
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it was it's kind of like I was saying before,

613
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.719
<v Speaker 2>they find people. It's like they mixed business with pleasure.

614
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>This guy's gay, he loves murdering assholes, and they got

615
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:13.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of marines they gotta get rid of.

616
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think what it was is he like really

617
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 4>tried to tried to find well he they were always

618
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.400
<v Speaker 4>drunk or or on drugs usually.

619
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Or he or he drugged them, And that's what I know.

620
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, even the way they caught him, dude, don't even.

621
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Get started on that. Yeah, I was gonna I got

622
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.119
<v Speaker 2>a whole fucking thing on how they caught him because damn.

623
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.480
<v Speaker 4>It was a marine, Lisa.

624
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.199
<v Speaker 2>That was great. That was great a question because I

625
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:51.199
<v Speaker 2>did connect that they were mostly like military or marines

626
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, and like.

627
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 4>The rage issue against like macho guys or macho guys

628
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.039
<v Speaker 4>kind of, and that was like his em was like,

629
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 4>this is who I fucking hate because they've ruined my

630
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:08.039
<v Speaker 4>life or whatever, and I am going to take control

631
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 4>and show the power over these bastards.

632
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it definitely could have been and I will

633
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>entertain that only if you'll entertain the possibility that these

634
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 2>guys were like people that they wanted to get rid of.

635
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was thinking that I was going to bring

636
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 5>that up.

637
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Maybe these are That is a good point though, to

638
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:26.880
<v Speaker 4>an assassination.

639
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like we need

640
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to get rid of private you know Smith over there.

641
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, here's a list of these guys.

642
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we got some, but you can Christmas right.

643
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make you wonder what sort of programs that

644
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 1>they were involved in.

645
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 10>That's also I don't know something something.

646
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 2>Because it's like I said, his first victim got returned

647
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 2>back to him, no charges wherever filed. You know, the

648
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.159
<v Speaker 2>kid was like thirteen, He got raped, he got drugs,

649
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 2>he got beaten, nobody cared, So obviously there's something else

650
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 2>going on here. But what I find interesting, and you

651
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>guys need to, you know, throw your two cents in,

652
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.239
<v Speaker 2>is the type of things that he did to his

653
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 2>victims go beyond just killing a person. It's it's you know,

654
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:29.519
<v Speaker 2>and if anybody in the livestream whatever, if you're sensitive

655
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 2>or you know, you might just want to puss out

656
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:38.960
<v Speaker 2>now because I'm gonna just say all the details. Okay.

657
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't just like sodomize a guy. He would sodomize

658
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a guy, but then he would like cut their dick

659
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 2>and their ballbag off while they were still alive. He

660
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 2>would make sure that they were still alive for all

661
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 2>of it. Sometimes he would take their dick and ball

662
00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 2>back and then shove it up their ass. Sometimes he

663
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 2>would take his car lighter out of his car and

664
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 2>burn their nipples off and burn their eyeballs out, so

665
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 2>he would shove dirt.

666
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna ask, what was he sodomizing them

667
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 3>with like his penis?

668
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 2>He did, Yeah, I mean he did rape them. Sometimes

669
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.000
<v Speaker 2>it was just more about the kill because they found

670
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>like ballpoint pins inserted into their penises. They found a

671
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.280
<v Speaker 2>bunch of them decapitated. They found a bunch of victims

672
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 2>that were just in pieces and parts, And it's like,

673
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.119
<v Speaker 2>this goes beyond just like killing a guy to rip

674
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 2>somebody's dick and ball bag off, put it in their ass,

675
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 2>and then like burn their eyeballs out with the car

676
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 2>cigarette lighter. This goes beyond, This goes beyond just killing someone.

677
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 3>What sounds like some of the some of the torture

678
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:02.039
<v Speaker 3>methods that they used back and like antiquity or ancient times.

679
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.519
<v Speaker 3>So maybe it is some ancient like some dark spirit

680
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 3>that is not only taking them over, but being like

681
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.079
<v Speaker 3>invoked to take them, like he's being whoever it is,

682
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 3>is just being groomed to be a vessel for a

683
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:20.320
<v Speaker 3>particular entity.

684
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, Jules, have you ever heard this saying like what

685
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.280
<v Speaker 2>would possess someone to do that? I don't know, why

686
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 2>do we use that terminology? What would possess someone to

687
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>do something like that? I don't know, A demon maybe

688
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 2>like or something they've tapped into something. Obviously that there's

689
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>a dark passenger driving like they say in Dexter, because

690
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.639
<v Speaker 2>you know that the average person is not thinking to

691
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:47.079
<v Speaker 2>do this.

692
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.800
<v Speaker 3>And some people might say that they have kind of

693
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 3>trained these people to switch on, like to switch on

694
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.960
<v Speaker 3>their shadow self, to switch on their dweller right to

695
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:06.360
<v Speaker 3>where they can immediately just you know, change consciousnesses. But

696
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 3>it's them, it's just their deep, deep, dark subconscious right, yeah.

697
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's part of why they have to

698
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 2>break you down in the programming, is so they can

699
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 2>something else, something else has to get inserted in there,

700
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, something else has to take over.

701
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 9>Where was he doing most of.

702
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 2>His work, So the reason they called him the freeway

703
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>strangler is because they never knew where he was doing this,

704
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.599
<v Speaker 2>but he always dumped his body on the side of

705
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 2>the freeway, so they didn't know if he was killing

706
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 2>him in his car, if he was taking him back

707
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 2>to his apartment and killing him and then dumping them.

708
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.599
<v Speaker 2>But all the victims were found either in Portland when

709
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 2>he was on a business trip, Seattle when he was

710
00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>on a business trip, or southern California, all by the

711
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.599
<v Speaker 2>freeway and all that. They started to put things together

712
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 2>because he his he finally found his signature, which was

713
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:16.559
<v Speaker 2>after he you know, raped them, murderedom dismembered them, whatever

714
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>he would take one of the victim's socks, ball it

715
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.880
<v Speaker 2>up and put it in their bee hole, and that

716
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 2>was his signature. Every time they found a body with

717
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 2>a bald up sock in their bee hole. They started,

718
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 2>they started, you know, realizing that these could these victims

719
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>could be connected. And the only thing that they could

720
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 2>think of of a reason why he would be doing

721
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 2>this is they said, well, the killer must have military background,

722
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:58.719
<v Speaker 2>because in the military they they train you to shove

723
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 2>socks up dead bodies beeholes to prevent them from purging

724
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:08.119
<v Speaker 2>until you can get to the body or whatever. So

725
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 2>what they surmised is that he was taking them, killing

726
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.119
<v Speaker 2>them somewhere else, putting the sock in the bee hole

727
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 2>to prevent purging until he could dump the body.

728
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.360
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well that comes to mind is that it's almost

729
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 9>like was he doing this for someone else? And that

730
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 9>was the worth these experiments to see the level of

731
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 9>pain and torture and worthyse methods of potential interrogation to

732
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 9>be used later in other operations in that yes, it

733
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 9>looks like a serial killing. Yes it looks like somebody

734
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 9>is disturbed or was Randy contracted by the government to

735
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 9>inflict these types of torture to measure the level of

736
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:53.760
<v Speaker 9>whatever the pravity.

737
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then and then now.

738
00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 9>It's a data point and you can feed it back

739
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 9>to the to whomever contracted you as a way of saying, yeah,

740
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 9>they break at this point, or if you do this,

741
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 9>they'll they'll do this, or what have you. And then

742
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 9>the like you said, the signature ready to be like, well,

743
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 9>that was my calling card. I did that one. The

744
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.159
<v Speaker 9>other guy did the other one. I did this one, right.

745
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.639
<v Speaker 4>Right, I mean it kind of goes hand in what

746
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:20.920
<v Speaker 4>she's saying, kind of goes hand in hand with why

747
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 4>they called him the scorecard killer.

748
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:23.559
<v Speaker 3>M m.

749
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because he's checking boxes in a cryptic.

750
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very cryptic.

751
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And that's how he was able to delineate who

752
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 4>who is who.

753
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Too, right, because they found in his car when they

754
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 2>busted him the scorecard with all the victims' names and

755
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.800
<v Speaker 2>like a little description. And it's kind of like what

756
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>you were saying, lisays, is he taking him somewhere else

757
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and doing this for God only knows what reason, And

758
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.840
<v Speaker 2>then he has to use this b whole sock because

759
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.559
<v Speaker 2>he's got to drive him then somewhere and dump the body.

760
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>But the problem is It's like, he's supposed to be

761
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:08.360
<v Speaker 2>in charge of supervising people painting test airplanes. At what

762
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 2>point did shoven a sock in somebody's bee hole come

763
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>up in the painting of the test planes training? Like,

764
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't you know, I'm not a rocket scientist here,

765
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.880
<v Speaker 2>but I would say, if you're in charge of painting

766
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 2>test planes, a sock in somebody's dead bee hole is

767
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.239
<v Speaker 2>not going to come up. Another thing that I don't

768
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 2>understand why they said this is they said, well, the

769
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>killer obviously has military background, because not only is there

770
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.719
<v Speaker 2>a sock in the victim's bee hole, but he would

771
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.039
<v Speaker 2>take tissue paper and he would shove it in the

772
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.079
<v Speaker 2>nostrils and down the throat, which is another thing I

773
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 2>guess they do in the military because fluids come out

774
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and whatever after somebody dies. And it's like, again, when

775
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:59.360
<v Speaker 2>did the tissue paper nostral technique come up in the

776
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:05.360
<v Speaker 2>painting of the test planes? Can somebody explain that to me? Like,

777
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:11.039
<v Speaker 2>obviously he has further training that we don't know about.

778
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.559
<v Speaker 4>Obviously, I mean, I spent ten years in the military

779
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 4>and I never was trained to that ship. But I'm

780
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 4>just saying, you got at the end of the day.

781
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.079
<v Speaker 4>It could have been some Vietnam stuff. I mean that

782
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 4>that's when this was happening, So it's like maybe that

783
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 4>was training then, But I've never heard.

784
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I know, you're not trying to just about that Bush.

785
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.119
<v Speaker 10>I'm just saying I'm not trying to do that.

786
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:49.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying, you a sock in my butt hoole

787
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 3>when it's too when it's too hot outside.

788
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but it isn't some of these paints on any

789
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 9>of the military planes because you're highly classified.

790
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well not yeah, I mean even back then. Yeah,

791
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 4>I guess you had a point. They were extreme line

792
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 4>you had especially now, but not so much back then,

793
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 4>but maybe maybe especially especially like in that area you

794
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 4>had the SR seventy one Blackbird and the the other one,

795
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:32.840
<v Speaker 4>the other spy plane, the big it's like something fifty yeah, whatever.

796
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.440
<v Speaker 4>Either way, they had radar reflecting paint.

797
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 9>Yes, Yes, and most of that stuff was patented and

798
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.360
<v Speaker 9>highly classified. Yeah, and not anybody could handle that that

799
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.880
<v Speaker 9>type of paint because they would have to pass a

800
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 9>clearance in order to handle that type of pot because

801
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 9>of extreme class Like we were the only country that

802
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.440
<v Speaker 9>had the patent for a while on some of the

803
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:01.159
<v Speaker 9>reflective paint to evade radar to didn't.

804
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.400
<v Speaker 4>We Yeah, for sure, what we still do? I mean

805
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 4>they're like they don't even know, Like the F twenty two,

806
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.760
<v Speaker 4>I have no idea what it's coded with, zero nobody

807
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 4>and we won't sell it to anybody either, So.

808
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 9>Nobody's And it's weightless because every single paint is has

809
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 9>has a certain weight.

810
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.360
<v Speaker 4>And that's the ship we know about. That the ship

811
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 4>we don't know about who even fucking knows? Frankly, I

812
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.360
<v Speaker 4>mean that, And people have to understand the F twenty twos.

813
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 4>It's almost a thirty year old plane in the grand

814
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.599
<v Speaker 4>scheme of things, and it's far and beyond anything anyone

815
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 4>else has. So probably I mean, if he's painting, I

816
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 4>guess it.

817
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Depends on tell me, tell me when the fucking bhole

818
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:47.639
<v Speaker 2>sock comes in.

819
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've never I've never heard that in my life.

820
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you. I'm telling you that God's down the street.

821
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 4>Never heard that ship in my life.

822
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:57.239
<v Speaker 5>There you go.

823
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 10>I'm gonna have to do a deep dive and to

824
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 10>book whole socks.

825
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm actually writing it down right now. I've never

826
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 4>heard of that.

827
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I just found it interesting too that all of

828
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.239
<v Speaker 1>this is happening in the sixties, right around the time

829
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that MK ultr is happening, and Charles Manson is running

830
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>around getting out of jail working with the CIA. It's

831
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>just interesting timing. And and she hit the nail on

832
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.039
<v Speaker 1>the head with Laurel Canyon. I wrote that down because

833
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:27.800
<v Speaker 1>it was like, I wonder if there's some sort of

834
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.519
<v Speaker 1>a connection there, you.

835
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.199
<v Speaker 5>Know what I was. I was wondering, and I was

836
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 5>going to ask you believe because I know this is

837
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 5>something that me and you have, you know, kind of

838
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 5>researched but never covered. Do you think it's quite possible

839
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 5>that they had to voice the skull stuff? Then yes,

840
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 5>because I do think that's actually being used now to

841
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 5>make it.

842
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 9>Remember when we cover the whole Esslon thing, and we

843
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 9>started to look at some of these scientists from U. C.

844
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 9>L A, Harvard, Stanford and all that this was and

845
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 9>off late fifties, early sixties, and this was the psychological angle.

846
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.280
<v Speaker 9>This is the angle that we just know about. We

847
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:16.519
<v Speaker 9>didn't even touch upon any of the physiological anatomical We

848
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.599
<v Speaker 9>were just looking mainly at the psychological angle of some

849
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.360
<v Speaker 9>of these tests. And so yes, it was right around

850
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 9>the same time. All of it.

851
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 4>Sixties, late sixties seventies were wild, especially with psychological stuff.

852
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.039
<v Speaker 4>The shit that they were doing, the folks, shit that

853
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 4>they were doing the prisoners, it was unbelievable. I mean,

854
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.960
<v Speaker 4>like just heinous.

855
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.159
<v Speaker 1>And I think to your point, Lisa, they couldn't be

856
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>testing the capabilities of what's possible, Yes, you know, as

857
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.960
<v Speaker 1>far as mind control goes, and yeah, taking people to

858
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.599
<v Speaker 1>their breaking points and what they can invoke exactly.

859
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 9>And I don't mean to keep going on this, but

860
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:03.320
<v Speaker 9>remember we just brought the boys from Germany over and

861
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 9>they were doing all kinds of tests on twins, on pain.

862
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 9>Most of what we know about pain response comes from

863
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.599
<v Speaker 9>these scientists. Most of the stuff that we know about

864
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 9>manipulating viruses, bacteria and all kinds of infectious agents comes

865
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 9>from these scientists. So who's to say that we're not

866
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 9>employing the B Team or the A team of program

867
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 9>to kill to see what's happened, you know, what can happen.

868
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the A Team is this group that we're

869
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 2>talking about right here that came out of the sixties,

870
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.760
<v Speaker 2>because it was, like Brooke was saying, Randy Kraft was

871
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.639
<v Speaker 2>at Edward's Air Force Base at the same time, like

872
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Frank Zappa's dad and like all all of these these

873
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 2>assholes parents were there. I mean, it's it's it's too

874
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 2>much to be a coincident. Then, Charles Manson, like you

875
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 2>were saying, I think the sixties, especially like with with

876
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Randy Kraft and a couple others that I'm going to

877
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:02.360
<v Speaker 2>tie into at the end, But they were part of

878
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 2>the A team, I would say, you know, and then

879
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 2>they manufactured based on their results with the first round,

880
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 2>future generations of serial killers. So I would say that

881
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Dahmer is probably like B team because he was

882
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.199
<v Speaker 2>like in the eighties or nineties something like that, so

883
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:24.079
<v Speaker 2>he's later on they've perfected it a little bit more.

884
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Now he's like got vats of acid in his apartment

885
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and cooking dudes dicks off and like cannibalizing him and

886
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 2>feeding them to his neighbors and shit like it just

887
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:39.559
<v Speaker 2>becomes more depraved as as time goes on. It's like

888
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 2>they got to up the echelon to the next you know,

889
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 2>worst thing they can terrify people with. Jules, did you

890
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.360
<v Speaker 2>have something you wanted to I thought I saw a

891
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 2>comment on the side there. Did you have something you

892
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to touch on.

893
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, I was just I was apologizing, Nick,

894
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.639
<v Speaker 3>I was laughing for a minute. My audience has been

895
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.239
<v Speaker 3>making sexual remarks at me.

896
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 2>And uh, do they want to put socks in you?

897
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they want me to put stickers on my on

898
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:23.559
<v Speaker 3>on my nipples and uh, because I've done it before.

899
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 10>So it's not happening.

900
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Guys, as long as you don't put a sock in

901
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 2>your b hole.

902
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, we're not doing that either. I think they. I

903
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:34.880
<v Speaker 10>think they're talking about doing that to each other. I

904
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 10>don't know.

905
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I can't control what this guy say.

906
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 3>They're insane. Oh and then here's Joey Pootbags here. Now, okay,

907
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 3>well cool.

908
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 2>So I did want to I wanted to just give

909
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:54.039
<v Speaker 2>one other example of a time where they found a

910
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:58.639
<v Speaker 2>victim and they basically let him totally off the hook

911
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:05.320
<v Speaker 2>for it. They he abducted two cousins, two male cousins.

912
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>He let one of them go and the other one

913
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 2>he kept overnight. And the next morning they found this

914
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 2>guy's decapitated head in a jetty somewhere nearby where he

915
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.840
<v Speaker 2>picked these two guys up. And the cousin said, I

916
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.159
<v Speaker 2>can identify the car. I can identify the guy. I

917
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>can tell you all about it. He drugged us, he

918
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:29.880
<v Speaker 2>was weird, he threw me out of the car. He

919
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:32.280
<v Speaker 2>took my cousin. I don't know what happened to him.

920
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>The police brought him in for questioning. He admitted picking

921
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.440
<v Speaker 2>both of them up. He said, yeah, I was with

922
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 2>him last night, but I dropped him off at home

923
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know what happened to him after that.

924
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.440
<v Speaker 2>And the police were like, well, that's funny because we

925
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 2>just found his fucking decapitated head right nearby where you

926
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 2>picked the guy up. And he's like, yeah, well it

927
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:57.239
<v Speaker 2>wasn't me. No further questions, no further investigating, nothing, They

928
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 2>just let him walk right out of the police station. Literally.

929
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.519
<v Speaker 2>The guy's cousin said, this is a guy who picked

930
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.800
<v Speaker 2>us up. He drugged us, he tossed me out of

931
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 2>a car, he took my cousin. Now my cousin's decapitated

932
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and he has a sock in his bee hole and nothing.

933
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>They do, nothing like it. It's crazy to me how

934
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.440
<v Speaker 2>many times this guy looked police officers in the face

935
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and just was able to walk right back out of

936
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:29.039
<v Speaker 2>the police station, no consequences. And he went on to

937
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 2>murder another like fifty sixty guys after that. If they

938
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:37.559
<v Speaker 2>would have busted him on that murder, it could he

939
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.199
<v Speaker 2>could have saved sixty men's lives.

940
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's kind of like Epstein, Okay, when he got

941
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:48.400
<v Speaker 1>arrested down in Florida and he basically got that sweetheart

942
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 1>deal where he was running the jail down there for

943
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a little while. When pressed about it, the Attorney General

944
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.159
<v Speaker 1>of Florida at the time just said it was above

945
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 1>his pay, great and that there was nothing that he

946
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 1>could do. Because you're right, he would have, like take him,

947
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 1>for example, would have been busted then and gone to

948
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 1>jail for the trafficking charges and the molestation charges. We

949
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 1>may not have that giant blackering, you know, black girl

950
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 1>ring that we had today. So if he would have

951
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.199
<v Speaker 1>gotten the appropriate sentencing then, But I think that there

952
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 1>are some high level people allowing these people to walk free.

953
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I mean, and to me, it's like, how do

954
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 2>you justify that the cousin who saw this man was

955
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:35.840
<v Speaker 2>in the car with him, said that he drugged us

956
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.320
<v Speaker 2>and was and pushed me out of the car while

957
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it was going down the highway. And now my cousin's

958
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.719
<v Speaker 2>heads decapitated off, and he's got to suck in his asshole. Like,

959
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:48.719
<v Speaker 2>how the fuck do you justify in just letting him

960
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:53.079
<v Speaker 2>walk right out, Like no investigating the car even to

961
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 2>see if they can find the drugs or the like. Nothing,

962
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.400
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna do nothing. Like that's crazy to me.

963
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, you think it's just the cops being

964
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 3>lazy or do you think that they were told to

965
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:07.639
<v Speaker 3>maybe stand down.

966
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that just like in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer,

967
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:15.280
<v Speaker 2>when they they said, hey, we're gonna, you know, respond

968
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:21.119
<v Speaker 2>to this, you know whatever. It was that some ladies

969
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.159
<v Speaker 2>called the police and they said, there's a kid out

970
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:26.760
<v Speaker 2>in the street. He's got blood running down his asshole.

971
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:29.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's got all this stuff wrong with him.

972
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:33.679
<v Speaker 2>The police show up, they'd say, hey, we're responding to this,

973
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, complaint whatever about this boy being in the

974
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:40.039
<v Speaker 2>street with blood running out of his asshole. And then

975
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.880
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, as soon as they get to

976
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the scene, Jeffrey Dahmer's there and they're like, oh, well,

977
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:50.239
<v Speaker 2>this is just some gay guy stuff that we don't

978
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.239
<v Speaker 2>want any part of. Let's just take him back up

979
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to the apartment. They get into the apartment, he's got

980
00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 2>two dead people in his bedroom that have been fulay

981
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.000
<v Speaker 2>open with all their freaking lungs and everything out. And

982
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the police officers, these are supposed to be highly trained

983
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:11.280
<v Speaker 2>police officers, right, you're gonna tell me they don't smell

984
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.440
<v Speaker 2>that with the second he opens his apartment door. What

985
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.519
<v Speaker 2>did they open the door and go, oh, this is

986
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:21.719
<v Speaker 2>what fucking gay sex smells like. Just fucking leave him

987
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.920
<v Speaker 2>here and let's go like, are you serious. There's two

988
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 2>dead bodies in the next room, and they let this

989
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 2>kid sit in there. He drilled a hole in his

990
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:43.559
<v Speaker 2>brain and put They were like what they walk in

991
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 2>the apartment, they were like, this is what dank asshole

992
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:49.079
<v Speaker 2>smells like. Let's just drop this kid off and go like,

993
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.639
<v Speaker 2>are you serious as a trained police officer. You didn't

994
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.360
<v Speaker 2>suspect anything, You didn't smell anything, you didn't see anything,

995
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and you just let this kid who has blood running

996
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.599
<v Speaker 2>out of his asshold down his legs all looped out

997
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.800
<v Speaker 2>with no clothes on, wandering around in the street. You

998
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.639
<v Speaker 2>took him back to the apartment and you left it

999
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:15.360
<v Speaker 2>there with Jeffrey fucking Dahmer. It's too bizarre. So, in

1000
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, I think that they are told to leave it,

1001
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.079
<v Speaker 2>drop it, get rid of it, cover it up right,

1002
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:25.559
<v Speaker 2>act like you didn't see it.

1003
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Move on.

1004
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:27.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1005
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.280
<v Speaker 9>Maybe not the momps ourselves, but they're the cops themselves

1006
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 9>are told to leave it their chief.

1007
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes. So in this particular instance with the guy who

1008
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:46.000
<v Speaker 2>had his head decapitated, the order to release Randy Kraft

1009
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:53.880
<v Speaker 2>came from the LA District Attorney's office specifically. So does

1010
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:59.199
<v Speaker 2>that say anything for you? The orders came down straight

1011
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 2>from the l A District Attorney's office to let Randy

1012
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Kraft go.

1013
01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's what I mean. There's just some high level

1014
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.440
<v Speaker 1>players in these cases.

1015
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, So he basically goes on ripping and running

1016
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 2>through dude's buttholes for like ten to twelve years. Nobody

1017
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:26.519
<v Speaker 2>suspects him, nobody, He never gets caught, nothing until let's

1018
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.360
<v Speaker 2>see here, I have it in my notes when he

1019
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:36.119
<v Speaker 2>gets caught. I believe it was in the eighties, Bennet,

1020
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.840
<v Speaker 2>do you remember it was the eighties or.

1021
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:43.280
<v Speaker 4>It was oh for the.

1022
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 2>When he gets busted.

1023
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was in here. I can give you exact day.

1024
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:51.000
<v Speaker 10>That's so many holesteen.

1025
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 4>May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.

1026
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, So May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three. It says

1027
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 2>at one ten am he's driving all erratically all over

1028
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the place down the highway. He gets stopped by police

1029
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 2>officer and they're like, hey, you need to get out

1030
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:16.239
<v Speaker 2>of the vehicle. You're driving like shit. And they noticed

1031
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:18.920
<v Speaker 2>that he's drunk. They make him do like a field

1032
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.519
<v Speaker 2>so variety test, which he fails because he's fucked up.

1033
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 2>And you know, he's just standing there waiting for the

1034
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:30.559
<v Speaker 2>other police officer to inspect the vehicle because one police

1035
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.320
<v Speaker 2>officer is giving him the field sobriety test, the other

1036
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 2>police officer is checking out the car. They go over

1037
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.360
<v Speaker 2>to the passenger side of the car and they realize

1038
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 2>that there's another man in the vehicle, and you know,

1039
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 2>he's like trying to get the man to respond, poking him,

1040
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 2>talking to him whatever. He's not responding. He removes the

1041
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:56.559
<v Speaker 2>jacket from the man's lap to uncover that Randy actually

1042
01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:00.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't driving erratically because he was drunk. He was driving

1043
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:03.239
<v Speaker 2>erratically because he was in the middle of sawing this

1044
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:07.320
<v Speaker 2>guy's pecker off. And this guy is dead as fuck,

1045
01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:12.039
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he's had all the things happened to him.

1046
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.519
<v Speaker 2>All the Randy Craft special has happened to this guy,

1047
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and they still do not arrest him for murder. They

1048
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.440
<v Speaker 2>arrest him for driving under the influence, even though he

1049
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:31.480
<v Speaker 2>has a whole dead guy in his passenger seat with

1050
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:41.280
<v Speaker 2>his pecker halfway sowd off murder. He gets arrested for

1051
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:45.679
<v Speaker 2>driving under the influence, not for having a halfway cut

1052
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:48.480
<v Speaker 2>off pecker guy in the passenger seat of his car.

1053
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Tell me that makes sense. It was only after he

1054
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.920
<v Speaker 2>was arrested for driving under the influence when they finished

1055
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.079
<v Speaker 2>the investigation in his car where they found the scorecard

1056
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 2>book with the names of victims, and they found several

1057
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.719
<v Speaker 2>photographs that he had taken, much like Jeffrey Dahmer, of

1058
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:19.440
<v Speaker 2>men posed in different sexual positions who were deceased, and

1059
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:22.239
<v Speaker 2>they put all the puzzle pieces together. In my opinion,

1060
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 2>this is a case of he cooked his own goose.

1061
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 2>There was too much that was visible for them to

1062
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 2>try to save or salvage this guy. I think like

1063
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 2>at that point he was busted and they were gonna,

1064
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:38.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was gonna have to pay the piper.

1065
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 7>But he.

1066
01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Was able to get away with this forever, forever, long

1067
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:49.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh, it's like, how do you how

1068
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.920
<v Speaker 2>do you respond to that? It's like the police officer

1069
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:56.039
<v Speaker 2>stops you and it's like you've been drinking a night. No, officer,

1070
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually just trying to saw this guy's pecker off.

1071
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 2>How about you? Like what you how do you? At

1072
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:04.880
<v Speaker 2>that point? You're fucked, You're done. You have a dead

1073
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:06.920
<v Speaker 2>body in the car. You can't you know, you can't

1074
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 2>get out of it. So he did. He did get

1075
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the death penalty, but they were only able to get

1076
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:20.920
<v Speaker 2>him on like Bennett, do you remember like teen sixteen? Okay,

1077
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say a fraction of the actual

1078
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 2>number they have.

1079
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:29.159
<v Speaker 4>I think they have him. I think it's sixty seven

1080
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.639
<v Speaker 4>sixty seven, even though we're sixty one in his book,

1081
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:37.320
<v Speaker 4>so I don't know, you know, maybe started making his

1082
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:38.599
<v Speaker 4>book later or something.

1083
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:39.639
<v Speaker 7>Well.

1084
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:44.400
<v Speaker 2>And also because there were those three guys doing crimes

1085
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.159
<v Speaker 2>all around the same time that were identical to Randy,

1086
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:51.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like, was it did Randy kill sixty seven of them?

1087
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe just sixty one and the other were from the

1088
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.599
<v Speaker 2>other guy, or it's like they had a hard time

1089
01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:59.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of pinning this shit on him because there was

1090
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:02.920
<v Speaker 2>so much much confusion around who was actually doing this ship.

1091
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.760
<v Speaker 4>And he still has never admitted to anything. He swears

1092
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:08.559
<v Speaker 4>that he's innocent.

1093
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I actually want to talk about the two other serial

1094
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.880
<v Speaker 2>killers who were ripping and running through dude's bat holes

1095
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:19.360
<v Speaker 2>around the same time. But before we do that, Nick,

1096
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 2>could you pull up a picture of this guy so

1097
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.639
<v Speaker 2>the listeners can see. Yeah, I just I just want

1098
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.559
<v Speaker 2>everybody to look into the eyes of the government cheese

1099
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 2>killer before we move on, because I'm telling you this,

1100
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:38.480
<v Speaker 2>whatever you've imagined in your head, he looks just like that.

1101
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:45.840
<v Speaker 2>He looks like a little fucking pencil dick, fucking nay motherfucker.

1102
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:49.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, do you want me to pull it up?

1103
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.639
<v Speaker 5>And I got it? I think so.

1104
01:05:52.920 --> 01:06:02.199
<v Speaker 2>Here he looks like a young mister Rooney from Ferris Bueller's.

1105
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Day Off.

1106
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.039
<v Speaker 4>The mustache. He's gotten this dugshot.

1107
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:11.360
<v Speaker 2>It's serious, yeah, he So, I just wanted everyone to

1108
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 2>look into the eyes of Randy Kraft, the government She's

1109
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:19.960
<v Speaker 2>anus killer before we move on with the presentation, because

1110
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:21.760
<v Speaker 2>look at this guy.

1111
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:26.079
<v Speaker 1>He was like almost those dead shark eyes though his

1112
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:27.519
<v Speaker 1>eyes just seemed really dead.

1113
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:29.679
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

1114
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:36.519
<v Speaker 2>And for me, the thing is, he looks kind of spindily,

1115
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.760
<v Speaker 2>almost and it's like the kind of guys he was abducting.

1116
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:45.079
<v Speaker 2>They almost have come to the conclusion that he would

1117
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:49.239
<v Speaker 2>have had to have an accomplice because a lot of

1118
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the crime scenes, there were two pairs of footprints where

1119
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the body was dumped. There have been seamen analysis that

1120
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:02.760
<v Speaker 2>don't match him, so either somebody else killed him, but

1121
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:07.400
<v Speaker 2>he has pictures of them, so he was there, so

1122
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:10.800
<v Speaker 2>he they're thinking that he actually might have had an

1123
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:13.760
<v Speaker 2>accomplice for all of this, in which case I would

1124
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:17.880
<v Speaker 2>say a lot of people think that the Son of

1125
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Sam was multiple assailants. A lot of people think the

1126
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Zodiac Killer was multiple assailants. A lot of people So

1127
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Randy Kraft government, she's a as killer, could have been

1128
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:31.599
<v Speaker 2>in cooots with someone and we may just never know

1129
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 2>about that because it's all part of the program. Stuff

1130
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.119
<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to know about that. You're not supposed

1131
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:40.920
<v Speaker 2>to know about multiple assailants carrying this shit out. He

1132
01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:43.639
<v Speaker 2>could have been working with one of the other serial

1133
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:46.480
<v Speaker 2>killers who got busted for doing these same crimes in

1134
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and around the same area. It's like the Sandman. They

1135
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.880
<v Speaker 2>met up, they had a fucking cheeseburger together, and they

1136
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:57.320
<v Speaker 2>went and ripped and ran through a couple of dudes

1137
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:02.239
<v Speaker 2>beeles and you know, called it like this could be

1138
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:06.320
<v Speaker 2>a real club that they're in. But I'll let you guys.

1139
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you guys jump in and say whatever before

1140
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I move on.

1141
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:13.280
<v Speaker 5>What's something like anything that?

1142
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he looks better than I expected. I guess,

1143
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:23.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know after knowing what he's done. It's kind

1144
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.439
<v Speaker 3>of yeah, that mental image.

1145
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.520
<v Speaker 9>It looks like he I don't know, I snuff film

1146
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:32.359
<v Speaker 9>all over his face.

1147
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:37.560
<v Speaker 10>Sorry, yeah, yeah.

1148
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.119
<v Speaker 9>I looked. I looked up something really quick. It said

1149
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:43.119
<v Speaker 9>that his dad worked for Douglas Aerospace Company.

1150
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 2>His dad got him a job, obviously, so you think.

1151
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:52.880
<v Speaker 9>That was already involved in aeronautics of some sort.

1152
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:58.760
<v Speaker 2>But I've said that. I think actually Jeffrey Dahmer's dad

1153
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.800
<v Speaker 2>helped him out a lot because his dad was a

1154
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:06.720
<v Speaker 2>scientist doing something. His dad got him into taxidermy. And

1155
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:12.199
<v Speaker 2>nobody can figure out how this guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, who

1156
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:16.720
<v Speaker 2>had no car, was able to get a five gallon

1157
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:21.079
<v Speaker 2>drum of acid into his apartment which was on the

1158
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:24.199
<v Speaker 2>second floor, no elevator, with no help and where did

1159
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 2>he get it from? So I mean, I think that

1160
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.960
<v Speaker 2>he literally his dad was helping him the entire time.

1161
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Who taught him about dissolving bones into a big drum

1162
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:36.439
<v Speaker 2>acid and stuff like that. I don't know, maybe a

1163
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.720
<v Speaker 2>scientist guy. His dad was always his fucking cheerleader throughout

1164
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the whole tribe. Every interview, his dad was there.

1165
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.880
<v Speaker 9>His dad was a chemistry guy, wasn't he.

1166
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa, you would know. I mean

1167
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:52.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like, if that's what you're into and your son's

1168
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:55.199
<v Speaker 2>a serial killer, would you not have some aspect of

1169
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:58.760
<v Speaker 2>like influence over how he perpetrated the crimes? I mean

1170
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to me, it looks like go ahead, or you know,

1171
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.600
<v Speaker 2>like whenever we talk about the Laurel Canyon kids, their

1172
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:09.960
<v Speaker 2>parents were in the military and they were serving the country,

1173
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:14.159
<v Speaker 2>doing these songs and influencing culture and what have you.

1174
01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:17.159
<v Speaker 9>Right, who's to say that these scientists they don't all

1175
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 9>have to work at a military base. They could have

1176
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:22.840
<v Speaker 9>had private contracts in their university that the respective universities

1177
01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:24.880
<v Speaker 9>that they worked at, and then they were employing their

1178
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:28.319
<v Speaker 9>kids kind of you know, following in daddy's footsteps, just

1179
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:32.239
<v Speaker 9>like the Laurel Canyon kids did. Yes, that's not supposed

1180
01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:32.680
<v Speaker 9>to happen.

1181
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:36.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred, one hundred. I'm actually going to close

1182
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:38.680
<v Speaker 2>this window right here because the sun is getting in

1183
01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:40.039
<v Speaker 2>my ab I'll hang on a second.

1184
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I'm really excited to kind of hear more

1185
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:48.399
<v Speaker 1>about the other serial killers that could have potentially been

1186
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:51.439
<v Speaker 1>helping him, because I think even with Son of Sam,

1187
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I think we give these guys way too much credit

1188
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:56.960
<v Speaker 1>for them to be just a working alone.

1189
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:01.840
<v Speaker 4>Yes, not to go back to the show, but like Sammon,

1190
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:06.359
<v Speaker 4>like they were like like exchanging business cards, like hey,

1191
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:09.079
<v Speaker 4>let's work together, you know, like it was like that

1192
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:14.680
<v Speaker 4>whole creepy ass network. You know, it's just like.

1193
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then you find out that he was tied

1194
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.560
<v Speaker 3>into the Processed Church as well. Yeah right, and he

1195
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:23.119
<v Speaker 3>talks about it, you know, and it's like you find

1196
01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:25.279
<v Speaker 3>out who else is tied to the Processed Church is

1197
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:27.560
<v Speaker 3>a huge network, and it ties him to the Temple

1198
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.199
<v Speaker 3>set of course.

1199
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.319
<v Speaker 10>I mean, Michael Loko, I think so many of us

1200
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:33.880
<v Speaker 10>know that.

1201
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:39.520
<v Speaker 4>The places of power are controlled by some fucked up people, right,

1202
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's pretty evident. I think all of us

1203
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:49.640
<v Speaker 4>here have seen behind that curtain, and this just kind

1204
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:52.880
<v Speaker 4>of is one of those things, Like I mean how

1205
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:56.680
<v Speaker 4>many times Julie did he get there? There was multiple

1206
01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:00.279
<v Speaker 4>reports of him getting pulled over with bodies in the

1207
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.880
<v Speaker 4>car and them not even searching the car or whatever

1208
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:06.680
<v Speaker 4>because you know, and I'm sorry, but you can only

1209
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:11.000
<v Speaker 4>act normal and like, oh, yes, officer, you know so

1210
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:14.760
<v Speaker 4>many times? Six times?

1211
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you pull a guy over with the mustache

1212
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:21.560
<v Speaker 2>like that and it smells like dead bee hole in

1213
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:24.199
<v Speaker 2>the car and you're telling me like nobody ever thought,

1214
01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:27.520
<v Speaker 2>just like Jeffrey Dahmer's apartments, Like nobody smelled anything, nobody

1215
01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.800
<v Speaker 2>saw anything. It's like, yeah, as a police officer, are

1216
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you not trained to like use all your five senses

1217
01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:37.319
<v Speaker 2>to like pick up on it? Like every is every

1218
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:40.359
<v Speaker 2>police officer really just that incompetent or is there something

1219
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:41.439
<v Speaker 2>going on with this guy?

1220
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:46.760
<v Speaker 4>So just well sorry, I don't want to cut anybody off.

1221
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:48.359
<v Speaker 4>But I was also a cop.

1222
01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:50.319
<v Speaker 2>So were you.

1223
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:58.079
<v Speaker 4>I there's no guess, but don't judge me too late.

1224
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:02.880
<v Speaker 4>But at the end of the day, like that's that's

1225
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:07.720
<v Speaker 4>this is like policing one on one and again, you know,

1226
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:09.640
<v Speaker 4>do we give it a pass? Because it was like

1227
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.520
<v Speaker 4>the seventies and it was just weird and.

1228
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Red bodies smelled this thing from the beginning. It's That's

1229
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.479
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. But it's like at some point this

1230
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.760
<v Speaker 2>guy's car had to be a picture because he used

1231
01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:25.600
<v Speaker 2>to carry like photographs of the dead people in his

1232
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:31.800
<v Speaker 2>car with him. So somebody, yeah, nobody saw, nobody saw anything.

1233
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:38.039
<v Speaker 8>Nobody like you, Doc, Well, I think that maybe as

1234
01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:40.279
<v Speaker 8>far as you know, having so many run ins with police,

1235
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:42.199
<v Speaker 8>like you said, you can only act normal so many times.

1236
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:44.920
<v Speaker 1>But what if you know you're not going to go

1237
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:46.920
<v Speaker 1>to jail, you're not going to be arrested. You have

1238
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.760
<v Speaker 1>that confidence that you're going to be let out. Of course,

1239
01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be calm, cool and collected, even when

1240
01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:54.479
<v Speaker 1>you have a decapitated corpse because you know you're going

1241
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:56.359
<v Speaker 1>to be out in three hours or twelve hours.

1242
01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.039
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to hold you because.

1243
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.399
<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, your buddy's the eighty eight on shift.

1244
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.760
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. And that's why I think they were

1245
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.239
<v Speaker 2>so brazen a lot of the time, especially Ted Bundy.

1246
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:14.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he escaped from prison twice. Twice, you escaped

1247
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:17.199
<v Speaker 2>from prison. It's like this guy knows, you know, like

1248
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:22.760
<v Speaker 2>there's something up here. So the two other guys that

1249
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:26.439
<v Speaker 2>were ripping and running through dude's buttholes in and around

1250
01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the same time as Randy Craft, the first guy's name.

1251
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.960
<v Speaker 2>He was also known as the Freeway Killer. Just like

1252
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Randy Craft. His name is Patrick Wayne Kerney. And I'm

1253
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 2>not sure if you guys have ever heard of this guy,

1254
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:44.359
<v Speaker 2>but he's a prolific serial killer out of the sixties

1255
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.720
<v Speaker 2>as well. That, just like Randy Craft, was from southern California,

1256
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:54.479
<v Speaker 2>and he murdered by dismembering, disemboweling, and cutting his victim's

1257
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:58.039
<v Speaker 2>hearts and lungs out. And he's known to have killed

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01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.600
<v Speaker 2>at least twenty eight young men in the way he

1259
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:05.000
<v Speaker 2>raped them and then he would dismember them, disembowel them,

1260
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:08.840
<v Speaker 2>and just like Grandy Craft, it's like, how do you tell?

1261
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:10.520
<v Speaker 2>And then he would dump them on the side of

1262
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:13.439
<v Speaker 2>the freeway. How do you tell who's doing what? When

1263
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:20.119
<v Speaker 2>you got two guys in southern California who are both gay,

1264
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:26.399
<v Speaker 2>ripping and running through young men in various ways, and

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01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you look at Patrick Kearney and it's like, Okay, what

1266
01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:35.439
<v Speaker 2>are the other similarities. Patrick Kearney was in the Air Force,

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01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:43.720
<v Speaker 2>just like Grandy Craft. Patrick Kearney was highly intelligent and

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01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.520
<v Speaker 2>he spent a lot of time stationed at some type

1269
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:56.279
<v Speaker 2>of Air Force base in Texas, where he became best

1270
01:15:56.279 --> 01:16:02.359
<v Speaker 2>friends with Lee Harvey Oswalt. I can't make this shit up,

1271
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you guys. Of course he did. After Patrick Kearney joins

1272
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:11.359
<v Speaker 2>the Air Force, he is sent to Dallas, Texas, and

1273
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:15.960
<v Speaker 2>he befriends Lee Harvey Oswald and they go to language

1274
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:20.840
<v Speaker 2>school together. They become best friends, and he has he

1275
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:24.319
<v Speaker 2>said that he drove Lee Harvey Oswell to the Mexican

1276
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:26.720
<v Speaker 2>border and went to Mexico City with him on top

1277
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:31.359
<v Speaker 2>secret operations, then returned to California to rip and run

1278
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:35.640
<v Speaker 2>through dude's buttholes with Randy Kraft also in the airs,

1279
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:41.319
<v Speaker 2>shoving socks up people's bee holes. And it's like, okay,

1280
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.439
<v Speaker 2>what are some other weird things about Patrick Kearney that

1281
01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:47.319
<v Speaker 2>fit the program to kill Blueprint? When he returned to

1282
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:51.720
<v Speaker 2>California before he started his murder spree, he bought a

1283
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.239
<v Speaker 2>yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he used to pick up all

1284
01:16:55.279 --> 01:17:00.800
<v Speaker 2>of his victims, just like fucking Ted Bundy. So it's like,

1285
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:04.039
<v Speaker 2>come on, you guys, is that just the murder vehicle?

1286
01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:08.520
<v Speaker 2>That's just so random? He's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald.

1287
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.600
<v Speaker 2>He's in the Air Force. He's ripping and running through

1288
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:13.399
<v Speaker 2>dude's buttholes. He has a yellow Volkswagen Beetle, just like

1289
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Ted Bundy. I mean, yeah, he's just checking all the

1290
01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:24.640
<v Speaker 2>boxes literally literally. So he was also a necrophile, something

1291
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:29.399
<v Speaker 2>that Randy Kraft did not do that Patrick Kerney was

1292
01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:33.560
<v Speaker 2>involved with. But much like Ted Bundy, he was into necrophilia.

1293
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of like I said at the beginning

1294
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:39.119
<v Speaker 2>of this episode, you got to understand that there's like

1295
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:42.399
<v Speaker 2>this governmental program aspect of it, but there's also a

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01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:45.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of ritualism. And I think that there's a lot

1297
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:48.760
<v Speaker 2>of ritualism in the way that they killed their victims.

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01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of ritualism in necrophilia and

1299
01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the like taking the hearts out of

1300
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the victims, you know, doing this stuff. It's it's significant

1301
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:03.119
<v Speaker 2>to them. And you know, just the fact that he's

1302
01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:08.119
<v Speaker 2>documented as being friends with Lee Harvey Oswald, it should

1303
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:12.039
<v Speaker 2>bother people, you know, because this guy was getting away

1304
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.479
<v Speaker 2>with it for a really long time, just like Randy

1305
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Kraft was, and they couldn't even tell the victims apart.

1306
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:20.479
<v Speaker 2>They were so similar. Tell me, these two didn't know

1307
01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:29.079
<v Speaker 2>about each other. They had to have. And then in

1308
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:33.079
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight, the third guy pops up and his

1309
01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:36.680
<v Speaker 2>name is William Bonnen and he was also referred to

1310
01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:42.159
<v Speaker 2>as the Freeway Killer. So Randy Kraft, Patrick Kearney, and

1311
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:45.279
<v Speaker 2>William Bonnen were all known as the Freeway Killer. They

1312
01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:48.960
<v Speaker 2>all were raping and torturing and murdering boys in southern California.

1313
01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:55.319
<v Speaker 2>And he's he confessed to twenty one murders and he

1314
01:18:55.520 --> 01:19:00.000
<v Speaker 2>was also specifically in the Air Force. Around the same time,

1315
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Kearney and Randy Craft were in southern California perpetrating

1316
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:09.239
<v Speaker 2>almost identical crimes as each other, and was able to

1317
01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:14.520
<v Speaker 2>get away with it from nineteen sixty eight until nineteen eighty. So,

1318
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you guys, it's it's too much. It's too much.

1319
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:21.640
<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts on this so far?

1320
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:27.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's almost like too much to be coincidence, you know,

1321
01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:33.600
<v Speaker 4>it freaking wild spot.

1322
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of them, all three of them, or

1323
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:39.159
<v Speaker 2>one just just.

1324
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:42.279
<v Speaker 3>The main guy, but I mean, yeah, all three of them,

1325
01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:46.960
<v Speaker 3>even looking into serial killers, I've never He's never crossed

1326
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:50.279
<v Speaker 3>my path so well.

1327
01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Out of this southern California area, the Golden State Killer,

1328
01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:03.119
<v Speaker 2>also military. Right in California, there was a guy named

1329
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Lonnie David Franklin Junior, known as the Grim Sleeper, also military.

1330
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:14.039
<v Speaker 2>He started murdering in and around nineteen eighty five Richard Ramirez.

1331
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Did you guys, Do you guys know about the military

1332
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:24.239
<v Speaker 2>connection with Richard Ramirez? I didn't, Okay, let me tell

1333
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you what I found. Would you say name?

1334
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:29.640
<v Speaker 5>I know I've come across it somehow, but I don't

1335
01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:30.439
<v Speaker 5>remember what it is.

1336
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:38.039
<v Speaker 2>So people don't actually relate Richard Ramirez as having military connections.

1337
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.920
<v Speaker 2>But I found this interesting little article on him, and

1338
01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:45.359
<v Speaker 2>it says that at the age of twelve, Richard Ramirez

1339
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.520
<v Speaker 2>was taken under the wing of his older cousin named

1340
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Mike Valez, who was a soldier in the US Army

1341
01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:55.960
<v Speaker 2>who himself had become a serial killer and a rapist

1342
01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:59.800
<v Speaker 2>during his service in the Vietnam War, and Valis often

1343
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:03.520
<v Speaker 2>boasted of committing gruesome war crimes in Vietnam and shared

1344
01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:08.359
<v Speaker 2>polaroid photos with young Ramirez showing Vietnamese women who he

1345
01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:13.399
<v Speaker 2>had raped, murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. So, in my opinion,

1346
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:19.680
<v Speaker 2>he has military esque connections right because his role model.

1347
01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:24.000
<v Speaker 2>His older cousin, Miguel Mike Valles, was in the US

1348
01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Army during Laurel Canyon, right Vietnam shit, dismembering, disemboweling, and

1349
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:35.720
<v Speaker 2>decapitating women's heads off, and this is who Richard Ramirez

1350
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:40.760
<v Speaker 2>grew up as his role model. So to me, that counts.

1351
01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:44.920
<v Speaker 2>That's like a sub sect of the program to Kill Academy.

1352
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:46.880
<v Speaker 5>That's that's weird stuff.

1353
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:53.479
<v Speaker 9>Julia Fie, Yes, go ahead really quickly. In that you

1354
01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:56.640
<v Speaker 9>talked about how these three, these three men were they

1355
01:21:56.760 --> 01:22:01.960
<v Speaker 9>all air Force. Yes, author, So we have the Air

1356
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:05.920
<v Speaker 9>Force being created in nineteen forty seven. It is an

1357
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:09.840
<v Speaker 9>offshoot of the Navy. It's brand new, and they're doing

1358
01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:12.840
<v Speaker 9>a lot of testing. They're doing a lot of experimentation.

1359
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:16.520
<v Speaker 9>A lot of the guys of some of Los Alamo's,

1360
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:21.239
<v Speaker 9>the Atomic Commission and all that other stuff is kind

1361
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:25.439
<v Speaker 9>of in this whole realm esque of things. And if

1362
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:27.800
<v Speaker 9>you hear by Los Alamo's, you know it's not just

1363
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:30.239
<v Speaker 9>looking for the splitting of the atom. There were doing

1364
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.840
<v Speaker 9>all kinds of other stuff as well. And then you

1365
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:38.600
<v Speaker 9>have the connection that you made with Lee Harvey Oswald

1366
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:41.520
<v Speaker 9>and I think Nick and I kind of flirted with

1367
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:44.359
<v Speaker 9>the idea of doing a show on this because Lee

1368
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:49.640
<v Speaker 9>Harvey Oswald has intense connections to have never left the military.

1369
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.640
<v Speaker 9>He was always doing some sort of secret op with

1370
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.800
<v Speaker 9>the military. He comes from a prominent family. He was

1371
01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:02.640
<v Speaker 9>also involved in the testing in a medical government contracted

1372
01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:07.840
<v Speaker 9>facility in New Orleans where they developed a weapon to

1373
01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:11.479
<v Speaker 9>potentially kill Fidel Castro in the form of fast acting

1374
01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:16.239
<v Speaker 9>cancer vaccine. He is very intimately related with that entire

1375
01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:18.800
<v Speaker 9>project as too far that the girl he was dating

1376
01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.640
<v Speaker 9>at the time who was doing the experiment, they were dating,

1377
01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:26.439
<v Speaker 9>so he was there. So you have the Texas Louisiana connection,

1378
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:30.119
<v Speaker 9>you have the military connection, you have the experimentation, you

1379
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:34.000
<v Speaker 9>have going down to Mexico. You have all of that,

1380
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:38.319
<v Speaker 9>and then now have these serial killers who were in

1381
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:40.560
<v Speaker 9>the Air Force, and you're having the Air Force and

1382
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.920
<v Speaker 9>all kinds of testing. I don't know that you need

1383
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:45.159
<v Speaker 9>any more connections.

1384
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you, Lisa, one hundred Yeah. I mean you

1385
01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:51.439
<v Speaker 2>painted a beautiful picture of what I think even Brooke

1386
01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:56.119
<v Speaker 2>it and Bennett and Jules would agree is this is

1387
01:23:56.319 --> 01:24:01.439
<v Speaker 2>definitely by design. This is an experiment. They're figuring shit

1388
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:06.279
<v Speaker 2>out right. It's all part of this Laurel Canyon esque era.

1389
01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:10.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think that the music scene and the serial

1390
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:14.720
<v Speaker 2>killer scene are the were projects that they were interested

1391
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:18.920
<v Speaker 2>in and pursuing during this time. They were the training

1392
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:21.239
<v Speaker 2>wheels for what was to come. I mean, look at

1393
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:26.439
<v Speaker 2>how serial killers and how music has changed since then.

1394
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.199
<v Speaker 2>It's like they just it gets worse with time, it

1395
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:31.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get better.

1396
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:31.479
<v Speaker 7>You know.

1397
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I wish the CIA would come back and fix some

1398
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>ship up because I'm so fucking sick of like Lady

1399
01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Gaga and stuff like that, Like bring back like the

1400
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Laurel Canyon Jim Morrison ship. I love, Yeah, because.

1401
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:50.319
<v Speaker 4>Like since eighty nine, the amount of serial killers is

1402
01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:53.079
<v Speaker 4>just gone straight down.

1403
01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, I would love. I would love a

1404
01:24:57.760 --> 01:24:58.880
<v Speaker 2>renaissance ofthing.

1405
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:02.560
<v Speaker 4>That'd gone away or anything. I'm just saying that it's

1406
01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:06.199
<v Speaker 4>way less since nineteen eighty nine. That seems to be

1407
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:07.640
<v Speaker 4>the tipping year.

1408
01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>So here's a question for you. So how many of

1409
01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>these serial killers do you think are organic? And like

1410
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:21.880
<v Speaker 1>just hypothetically in how money are by design, Like if

1411
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I had to put a.

1412
01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Percentage on it, like you know I have in my lifetime,

1413
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:33.520
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not older any shit like that, But I've

1414
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>never met a serial killer. I've never known anyone who

1415
01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:39.760
<v Speaker 2>has met a serial killer. So it's like it makes

1416
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:43.319
<v Speaker 2>you wonder how many of them there actually are, or

1417
01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:48.399
<v Speaker 2>if the numbers are inflated, and how many of them

1418
01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:49.800
<v Speaker 2>are organic?

1419
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:53.880
<v Speaker 11>So yeah, and how these strange connections you know, it's yeah,

1420
01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:56.319
<v Speaker 11>they all seem to have these strange connections, and so

1421
01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:58.760
<v Speaker 11>it's kind of like, you know, does it just a

1422
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:04.520
<v Speaker 11>natural I mean, side psychopaths obviously exist, but to go

1423
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:08.079
<v Speaker 11>so far as to, you know, do what some of

1424
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:10.079
<v Speaker 11>these guys do, it's just I don't know.

1425
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, like maybe maybe ten percent I

1426
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you guys could agree with me, but

1427
01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:20.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe ten percent are just random psychos that like murder

1428
01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:22.439
<v Speaker 2>their mom or something or less.

1429
01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:26.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like Ed Kemper, did he have any ties

1430
01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:30.680
<v Speaker 3>to the military or anything or probably.

1431
01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:34.800
<v Speaker 4>It seems like there is a lot right of folks

1432
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:37.880
<v Speaker 4>tied to the military. Now, the one thing I am

1433
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:40.520
<v Speaker 4>going to say about that is that you do have

1434
01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:46.880
<v Speaker 4>an an exorbitant amount of psychopaths in the military, and

1435
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:50.319
<v Speaker 4>they can go one of two ways. So it's just like,

1436
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:54.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry too, but the way that cops are you

1437
01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:59.439
<v Speaker 4>cops are just their psychological profiles are right on that

1438
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:03.000
<v Speaker 4>razors edge of either you can neither be a cop

1439
01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:07.720
<v Speaker 4>for good or you can just be a fucking psychopath, right, murderer,

1440
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:12.000
<v Speaker 4>like the perfect criminal. Right. So I not I'm not

1441
01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:15.960
<v Speaker 4>saying all cops. I'm saying a lot of them psychologically. Especially.

1442
01:27:16.600 --> 01:27:21.159
<v Speaker 4>You have those guys in the military, especially guys and

1443
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:28.159
<v Speaker 4>special ops who frankly a lot of them are and

1444
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:32.000
<v Speaker 4>we all know who they are that that are there

1445
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:37.800
<v Speaker 4>for not because they love God and country. They're there

1446
01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:41.800
<v Speaker 4>because of clout or because they frankly want to kill

1447
01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:46.159
<v Speaker 4>people or they we everyone that's been in the military

1448
01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:50.000
<v Speaker 4>knows one of those guys. So it's like, so, do

1449
01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:54.079
<v Speaker 4>those psychopaths just live and then and then if they

1450
01:27:54.119 --> 01:27:56.840
<v Speaker 4>go to war and get broken by shit that they

1451
01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:00.199
<v Speaker 4>have to do or whatever, does that just exacerbate things?

1452
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:04.359
<v Speaker 4>Who knows? I don't know. I'm just thinking of psychological trauma.

1453
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Is trauma is a crazy thing.

1454
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:08.399
<v Speaker 8>And so.

1455
01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:15.199
<v Speaker 4>Said too it also maybe they do some bad ship

1456
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:17.680
<v Speaker 4>and then that opens the door for them to get

1457
01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:22.000
<v Speaker 4>corrupted by whoever or whatever.

1458
01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:24.800
<v Speaker 10>Physical or non physical entity.

1459
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.640
<v Speaker 4>That's right, I mean, Doc, Doc brought it up in

1460
01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:31.239
<v Speaker 4>the thing. It sounds like, you know, terrestrial spirits sometimes

1461
01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:35.159
<v Speaker 4>like some of these things like fuckers do some wicked

1462
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:38.520
<v Speaker 4>ship and open some crazy fucking doors and let in

1463
01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:42.279
<v Speaker 4>some crazy stuff. I mean, because when you get bored

1464
01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:45.520
<v Speaker 4>in the military too, they just do dumb shit. It's

1465
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:47.399
<v Speaker 4>teenagers doing dumb shit.

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01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I think if you're if you're highly functioning enough and

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01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it's and it's scouted out early enough, yes, that they

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01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:05.279
<v Speaker 2>will choose very young men to be you know, used

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01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:08.399
<v Speaker 2>in unspecified capacities inducted into the military.

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01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:13.399
<v Speaker 4>And so many of these people and again I'll say it,

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01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:15.479
<v Speaker 4>it was brought up in the chat adults that were

1472
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:20.159
<v Speaker 4>bullied as kids flexing now like flexing, Oh we've got

1473
01:29:20.199 --> 01:29:23.359
<v Speaker 4>the power now. You see that a lot with police officers,

1474
01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:25.840
<v Speaker 4>You see that a lot with the military folk and

1475
01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:29.640
<v Speaker 4>people in power, and then they just get addicted to that. Right,

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01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:31.760
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, but.

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01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:34.239
<v Speaker 2>To the point, but to the point of murdering is

1478
01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:35.720
<v Speaker 2>what we're Yeah, it's crazy.

1479
01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:37.199
<v Speaker 4>Now, it's crazy.

1480
01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And because serial killer or.

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01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:42.479
<v Speaker 4>Just yeah it's possible.

1482
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Still, I still would say only ten percent are the

1483
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:49.159
<v Speaker 2>ones you're talking about, like from a young age or

1484
01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:50.600
<v Speaker 2>like you know, a.

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01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:56.319
<v Speaker 4>Power saying I'm saying that they there's an mo right. Definitely,

1486
01:29:56.520 --> 01:30:00.159
<v Speaker 4>people that can be manipulated. Yeah, the folks and the

1487
01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:02.640
<v Speaker 4>people that that we've been talking about and that you've

1488
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:07.119
<v Speaker 4>been alluding to the fact that they're controlled. That's how

1489
01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:10.680
<v Speaker 4>they recruit them anyway, because they can be molded and

1490
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:13.680
<v Speaker 4>manipulated and twisted and boom there you go.

1491
01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know who else I think it's like best

1492
01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I think cops, military surgeons, and doctors.

1493
01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:28.039
<v Speaker 4>I think they killers were doctors.

1494
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:31.159
<v Speaker 2>You heard of that one doctor who was literally running

1495
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>around fucking murdering the shit out of people.

1496
01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:37.680
<v Speaker 4>I have one. I have one in my hometown in Connecticut.

1497
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:39.560
<v Speaker 10>Family.

1498
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:42.159
<v Speaker 4>He put his whole family through a wood chipper.

1499
01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:44.760
<v Speaker 5>There's been a few of them that were also just interested.

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01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:48.520
<v Speaker 5>And I found this interesting because because of certain things

1501
01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:51.279
<v Speaker 5>like when it comes to the occult, you know, we've

1502
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:53.319
<v Speaker 5>me and Lisa have covered like you know, there's books

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01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:55.319
<v Speaker 5>back in like the sixteen seventeen hundreds of people are

1504
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:58.119
<v Speaker 5>drawing like detailed ship and it's just like, how are

1505
01:30:58.119 --> 01:31:00.920
<v Speaker 5>you coming across that? And probably fun cutting open dead

1506
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:03.239
<v Speaker 5>bodies or whatever, you know, who knows what's going on?

1507
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:05.640
<v Speaker 5>And like in the movie from Hell, didn't she Like

1508
01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:07.319
<v Speaker 5>in the movie from Hell, they show kind of like

1509
01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:09.880
<v Speaker 5>Freemason's cutting people open and looking at him and stuff,

1510
01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:13.720
<v Speaker 5>and that Jack the Ripper movie. But like, I uh, fuck, oh,

1511
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:16.640
<v Speaker 5>you know how many there has been a few serial killers,

1512
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:19.520
<v Speaker 5>and I've just wondered, like it's just like some weird

1513
01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:23.720
<v Speaker 5>shit that's like common and maybe is the occult somehow

1514
01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:26.159
<v Speaker 5>you know, involved in it where they're very interested in

1515
01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:30.000
<v Speaker 5>cutting people open and seeing their insights. There's been a

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01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:31.239
<v Speaker 5>few of them that even say that.

1517
01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Like they taken of the heart out, the taking of

1518
01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.359
<v Speaker 2>like the like Jack the Ripper, one of the very

1519
01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>first serial killers to ever by the way, definitely if

1520
01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Programmed to Kill was around for that time period, fucking

1521
01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Jack the Ripper would have been one of them. Because

1522
01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:54.279
<v Speaker 2>I have heard that it was like Auster Crowleys.

1523
01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:56.840
<v Speaker 10>I've heard he was he was an English lord.

1524
01:31:57.359 --> 01:31:59.399
<v Speaker 3>He was part of one of those bloodlines and they

1525
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:01.159
<v Speaker 3>just kind of let them out on the loose at

1526
01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:01.680
<v Speaker 3>at night.

1527
01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:03.640
<v Speaker 10>We're just like he'll come back in the morning.

1528
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Also heard that he was acting on behalf of the

1529
01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:16.159
<v Speaker 2>one Petrova what's her names king, Yes, she was acting

1530
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>on her behalf because she was actually more popular.

1531
01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:23.119
<v Speaker 3>He was kind of doing these these kind of uh

1532
01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:26.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, these murders as these rituals in the field,

1533
01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:30.039
<v Speaker 3>and she was maybe doing the incantations and stuff behind

1534
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:30.640
<v Speaker 3>the scenes.

1535
01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>She was the mind behind the murder.

1536
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:37.399
<v Speaker 10>The magic or the Yeah, if.

1537
01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:39.520
<v Speaker 9>You look at the victims, there were certain victims that

1538
01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:43.079
<v Speaker 9>had missing body parts. Yeah, female, it was almost like

1539
01:32:43.079 --> 01:32:43.840
<v Speaker 9>a stuck curement.

1540
01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:45.880
<v Speaker 10>Were they making a freaking star.

1541
01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:52.359
<v Speaker 2>It was like uterus tits, like weird stuff like that.

1542
01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>They would they were removing that like specifically.

1543
01:32:57.399 --> 01:32:58.760
<v Speaker 5>You can look it up right now.

1544
01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:01.560
<v Speaker 10>Or they were trying to make some timunculous something.

1545
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:03.960
<v Speaker 5>Uh, you could look it up now on the internet

1546
01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:06.159
<v Speaker 5>if people, you know, want to check it out. Alista

1547
01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:08.720
<v Speaker 5>Crowley blames Helena Bolovotsky for Jackson River.

1548
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:13.279
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, Nick, Like, there's always an aspect

1549
01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:14.800
<v Speaker 2>of this that's magical.

1550
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.039
<v Speaker 5>He said that other people were doing it for like

1551
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:18.239
<v Speaker 5>a ritual some sort of shit.

1552
01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>But when you look at like modern day serial killers,

1553
01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:25.399
<v Speaker 2>don't you get that same vibe Like with Jeffrey he

1554
01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to. He said, I want to build an altar

1555
01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:31.079
<v Speaker 2>out of the bones. I want to build an altar

1556
01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:34.600
<v Speaker 2>with the skulls and the bones and the he was like,

1557
01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll paint it black and I'm going to turn this

1558
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>guy's skull into a lamp and like do all this

1559
01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:40.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff with it. And then he said he couldn't get

1560
01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>charged up to like go murder people unless he watched

1561
01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.520
<v Speaker 2>The Exorcist Part three or some shit like that, and

1562
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:50.279
<v Speaker 2>like he would wear yellow contacts and he would do

1563
01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>all this. It's like, to me, there's a lot.

1564
01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:56.359
<v Speaker 9>Of ritualism, but it's almost like, why does he need

1565
01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:58.600
<v Speaker 9>to get charged up? I thought you would if you're

1566
01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:01.079
<v Speaker 9>a serial killer, you ought ramatically just do it on

1567
01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:03.920
<v Speaker 9>the fly. I mean, like it's on it's on drip right,

1568
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:07.640
<v Speaker 9>Like you know, you don't need to get charged up

1569
01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:08.159
<v Speaker 9>for it.

1570
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Like he's he should be juiced up and ready to

1571
01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>go at all times.

1572
01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:15.000
<v Speaker 9>Like you got you got you know, your to do list,

1573
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:17.720
<v Speaker 9>You've got your honey do list for the week, and

1574
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:19.279
<v Speaker 9>you're like, crap, no, I have to go do this.

1575
01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Well have you been in Oh go ahead, Britt, I

1576
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>was going.

1577
01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>To ask, have you guys seen the show The Hunting Party?

1578
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:29.359
<v Speaker 9>I have not.

1579
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So when you were talking about, uh, you know,

1580
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:37.720
<v Speaker 1>potentially some big players involved Basically the premise of the

1581
01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:41.439
<v Speaker 1>show is it's about serial killers who either go to

1582
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:45.479
<v Speaker 1>jail or get caught, and they're supposedly say they get

1583
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:47.439
<v Speaker 1>the death penalty or go to jail, but really they're

1584
01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:53.399
<v Speaker 1>taken to this black CIA site where they testing on them,

1585
01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>and they they're not really dead, and long story short,

1586
01:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it ties back to the Attorney General who's actually

1587
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.720
<v Speaker 1>running this site, and they're running tests on these serial

1588
01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>killers and somebody like explodes this silo and they all escape,

1589
01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and then it's up to this like CIA black Ops

1590
01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:14.079
<v Speaker 1>team to go procure them all because they want to

1591
01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:17.359
<v Speaker 1>test their empathy. They want to test to see if

1592
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>they can cure them or fix them or Wow, they.

1593
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Really thought outside the box on that one. Like I

1594
01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:27.520
<v Speaker 2>wonder where they got their fucking inspiration from. I don't know.

1595
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know what I'm saying, but that that's

1596
01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:32.399
<v Speaker 2>just just that's just real life stuff. Like sometimes I

1597
01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>watch a show and it's supposed to be like fantasy

1598
01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:38.239
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and I'm like, dude, that no, that's real,

1599
01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:42.680
<v Speaker 2>like that black mirror shit. No, sorry, that's our reality

1600
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:46.119
<v Speaker 2>right now. Like we're living in American horror story. This

1601
01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:50.039
<v Speaker 2>is all real you know, murderers, witches.

1602
01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:55.119
<v Speaker 4>Methods, what they're doing anyway.

1603
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and actually I wanted to mention as one

1604
01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:01.840
<v Speaker 2>of the other serial killers that I want to talk

1605
01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:06.359
<v Speaker 2>about eventually with you guys, is that Dating Game Killer

1606
01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:11.840
<v Speaker 2>came out of Southern California as well in the sixties,

1607
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:17.399
<v Speaker 2>also military background, and he was said to be he

1608
01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:21.520
<v Speaker 2>had like a genius IQ and shit, and he went

1609
01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:26.319
<v Speaker 2>on to study film under Roman Polaan Ski, shocker, and

1610
01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.520
<v Speaker 2>he found his way onto the Dating Game Show, one

1611
01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:34.079
<v Speaker 2>of the most popular shows on television back then. So

1612
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:38.039
<v Speaker 2>you tell me there's not some type of connections with

1613
01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:41.039
<v Speaker 2>these fucking guys. The Dating Game Killer murdered like one

1614
01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:44.479
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty women and he was friends with Roman

1615
01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Polayan Skis from Southern California. He was in the military.

1616
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:50.800
<v Speaker 2>He has a genius level IQ. He found his way

1617
01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:54.880
<v Speaker 2>onto the Dating Game show and he won that round

1618
01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:58.319
<v Speaker 2>of the dating game. And it's like, that's why they

1619
01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:00.800
<v Speaker 2>made a movie about it on Netflix, because that girl

1620
01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.399
<v Speaker 2>refused to go out with him even after he she

1621
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>picked him because she said he gave me the creeps.

1622
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>That just goes to show you a woman's intuition. But

1623
01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:16.479
<v Speaker 2>that guy definitely checks all the boxes for program to kill.

1624
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:20.359
<v Speaker 1>And Randy Kraft didn't he have a really high IQ

1625
01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:22.800
<v Speaker 1>as well, like one hundred and twenty nine.

1626
01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:26.239
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, don't they always have a really high IQ? Most

1627
01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:27.279
<v Speaker 9>serial killers have.

1628
01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:33.119
<v Speaker 2>I think i Q. I think that's the that's that's

1629
01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:35.319
<v Speaker 2>what they look for. I think that's their preference. I

1630
01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>think John Wayne Gacy was halfway retarded.

1631
01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.600
<v Speaker 4>I think I think that's IQ.

1632
01:37:41.399 --> 01:37:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, you know, there's been a couple where I've

1633
01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:48.359
<v Speaker 2>been like, were you like the last pick? You know,

1634
01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>like everybody else you know, and it's like I have

1635
01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>to pick one. I guess I'll take me. That's class

1636
01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>d U, Yeah, class D.

1637
01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

1638
01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, There's been a couple of serial killers that

1639
01:38:05.520 --> 01:38:08.199
<v Speaker 2>have been like, how the fuck did you even murder anybody?

1640
01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>You're so stupid.

1641
01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:16.000
<v Speaker 9>It would be like setting apex predators in that they

1642
01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:21.760
<v Speaker 9>are not necessarily killing for survival, they're killing just to kill,

1643
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.359
<v Speaker 9>and the fact that they are high IQ. That that

1644
01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:29.159
<v Speaker 9>pretty much, I mean, I would think constitutes apex predation.

1645
01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know who else kind of fits this mold.

1646
01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys have ever heard of him,

1647
01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>but his name was Herb Baumeister and he took a

1648
01:38:41.159 --> 01:38:43.800
<v Speaker 2>bunch of he was gay serial killer that took a

1649
01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>bunch of guys back to his house and said, you know,

1650
01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you some drinks and you can swim in

1651
01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:52.239
<v Speaker 2>my indoor swimming pool, and then he would drown him

1652
01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>in the pool and do all kinds of weird stuff

1653
01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:59.520
<v Speaker 2>to him. William Ramsey actually talks about her Baumeister because

1654
01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.399
<v Speaker 2>he's another one that fits the program to kill model.

1655
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.439
<v Speaker 2>And I'm pretty sure he has a military background. I'm

1656
01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>not sure if he's from California, but he's said to

1657
01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:12.600
<v Speaker 2>be like genius level IQ type of guy. He was

1658
01:39:12.640 --> 01:39:16.520
<v Speaker 2>a family man, had kids on the side, was a

1659
01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:20.880
<v Speaker 2>gay serial killer. Like where do they where do they

1660
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:23.159
<v Speaker 2>find these guys? Like literally.

1661
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:27.359
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy.

1662
01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:34.159
<v Speaker 9>Yeah to Brooks question, I think prior to nineteen forties,

1663
01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:38.000
<v Speaker 9>I think if we were a serial killer, you're probably organic.

1664
01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:42.600
<v Speaker 9>But after that I think you were astroturfed, had the

1665
01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:46.000
<v Speaker 9>high potential to be That's that's what I think.

1666
01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, so government, She's anus killer is still alive. Actually

1667
01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>he's on death row. If you want to write him

1668
01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>a letter, tell him, you you know, tell him you

1669
01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:03.279
<v Speaker 2>listen to a rather interesting episode about him on a

1670
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>podcast and just wanted to know. I heard you were

1671
01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:14.439
<v Speaker 2>the government cheese anus killer. Please let me know if

1672
01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:18.800
<v Speaker 2>you are CIA or and ormentaryan candidate. Thank you, and

1673
01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:22.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll see before the grim Reaper comes for

1674
01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:24.439
<v Speaker 2>him on death row if he ever fesses up. He

1675
01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:27.840
<v Speaker 2>still says he has no memory of his crimes. Yeah,

1676
01:40:27.880 --> 01:40:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean that, that to me is really interesting. If

1677
01:40:31.920 --> 01:40:35.479
<v Speaker 2>that's true and he has no memory of doing any

1678
01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:40.000
<v Speaker 2>of that's like, what type of deprogramming shit are you

1679
01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:43.600
<v Speaker 2>on that you just don't remember? And he will stand

1680
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:45.800
<v Speaker 2>by that that he just doesn't remember any of it.

1681
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:52.079
<v Speaker 4>So find it crazy too that the most active period

1682
01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:56.319
<v Speaker 4>of serial killers in the US is between nineteen seventies

1683
01:40:56.399 --> 01:41:01.600
<v Speaker 4>and nineteen nineties. Specifically, the eighties saw the highest number

1684
01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:02.960
<v Speaker 4>of active serial killers.

1685
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think were they?

1686
01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:09.399
<v Speaker 9>I think so?

1687
01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:13.319
<v Speaker 4>And some of the most well known serial killers operated

1688
01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:19.720
<v Speaker 4>during peak period. Bundy Dahmer, Mira's, Kasey Kemper, all these

1689
01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:22.520
<v Speaker 4>guys crazy.

1690
01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I forget the research into a lady in there.

1691
01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, that's another one. The guy that like

1692
01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:37.720
<v Speaker 2>made lamps out of people's uh fores games and ship

1693
01:41:40.039 --> 01:41:43.720
<v Speaker 2>there's they're supposed to be doing a Netflix documentary thing

1694
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:47.079
<v Speaker 2>on that guy with the same guy that did Dahmer,

1695
01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Evan Peters. I think he's supposed to be playing ed

1696
01:41:51.319 --> 01:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Gian in an upcoming You know, it's always like the

1697
01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:57.560
<v Speaker 2>ones that gets face realized he is fucked.

1698
01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:02.840
<v Speaker 3>But in my opinion, that guy Psyche is gone, like

1699
01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:07.239
<v Speaker 3>from him being on American Horror Story to portraying all

1700
01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:11.600
<v Speaker 3>the characters he did on there than Domer now this, Yeah, man,

1701
01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:12.520
<v Speaker 3>that guy's cooked.

1702
01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:15.600
<v Speaker 2>He probably is, But I just think there's got to

1703
01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:17.199
<v Speaker 2>be more to this story if they want to make

1704
01:42:17.239 --> 01:42:19.399
<v Speaker 2>a docu series on Netflix about it, Just like The

1705
01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:24.479
<v Speaker 2>Menindas Brothers, there's more to that story too.

1706
01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:27.279
<v Speaker 4>And it's crazy. Like the seventies you had three hundred

1707
01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:32.199
<v Speaker 4>individuals active serial killers, right, yeah, the eighties was two

1708
01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:38.079
<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty, and then from by the twenty tens

1709
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:41.720
<v Speaker 4>you were down to fifty. And that's I mean, of

1710
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:45.359
<v Speaker 4>course these numbers are you know, what what what they what?

1711
01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:50.159
<v Speaker 4>They they think they know, right, but what a decline

1712
01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:53.279
<v Speaker 4>that's insane, Like I mean, it just shows what was

1713
01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:55.840
<v Speaker 4>happening exactly, and that's what I'm saying.

1714
01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Mastered it and they moved on yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1715
01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:03.760
<v Speaker 2>mean one hundred. I think I think the sixties were

1716
01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:07.279
<v Speaker 2>the training wheels. The eighties were like boom, now we

1717
01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:09.760
<v Speaker 2>really got it. And then it was like, okay, now

1718
01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>now that we've you know, mastered this, let's move on

1719
01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:14.880
<v Speaker 2>to a new, bigger and better things.

1720
01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:17.640
<v Speaker 4>Who knows, you could have gone to different countries.

1721
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Too, just saying, right, and I think they've taken their

1722
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:24.359
<v Speaker 1>sacrifices up to a whole new scale.

1723
01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:28.960
<v Speaker 4>There you go, different, different.

1724
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Coming in with the mass murder, Sandy Hook and call

1725
01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:37.560
<v Speaker 2>them bye.

1726
01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1727
01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.640
<v Speaker 2>They could have also diverted their attention to these weird

1728
01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:49.479
<v Speaker 2>cult scenes. We got Waco, we got I mean so yeah,

1729
01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:52.159
<v Speaker 2>after the eighties things started to look a little bit different,

1730
01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:54.720
<v Speaker 2>but the body count didn't change.

1731
01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:56.319
<v Speaker 5>I was even going to say, I wonder if some

1732
01:43:56.399 --> 01:43:59.039
<v Speaker 5>of the serial killers have higher body counts near the end,

1733
01:43:59.079 --> 01:44:00.600
<v Speaker 5>but less of them.

1734
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:07.319
<v Speaker 4>And also we got into two giant wars. Ah, yes, yep,

1735
01:44:07.479 --> 01:44:12.199
<v Speaker 4>ye talk about body counts. I'm not saying our guys

1736
01:44:12.359 --> 01:44:13.079
<v Speaker 4>necessarily either.

1737
01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:15.880
<v Speaker 9>How much of it has gone online and you don't.

1738
01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:17.000
<v Speaker 4>Know, yeah right?

1739
01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, yeah, we know every media tells us.

1740
01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:27.159
<v Speaker 1>So if it's not being reported, you wouldn't know unless

1741
01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:28.159
<v Speaker 1>you you know where to look.

1742
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I oh, go ahead, Lisa.

1743
01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:34.840
<v Speaker 9>No, just real quick, sorry, Julia, I don't, I can't.

1744
01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:39.319
<v Speaker 9>I'm sorry about interrupting the whole episode. Just it's so exciting.

1745
01:44:39.359 --> 01:44:41.800
<v Speaker 9>The entire the entire content is just so exciting.

1746
01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I love hearing. Go ahead.

1747
01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:47.039
<v Speaker 9>But everything you said, how they all have military background,

1748
01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:49.760
<v Speaker 9>the commonality with the serial killers at this time frame,

1749
01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:52.520
<v Speaker 9>all have commonality of being in the military. If we

1750
01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.600
<v Speaker 9>look at these mass murderers, especially some of the people

1751
01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:58.720
<v Speaker 9>that are involved with with big shootings and what have you,

1752
01:44:59.079 --> 01:45:02.680
<v Speaker 9>they all wore under surveillance of FBI, every single one

1753
01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:05.920
<v Speaker 9>of them. So there is a commonality with some of

1754
01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:10.680
<v Speaker 9>these signatures that there there's a thread, right, So it's

1755
01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:13.439
<v Speaker 9>almost like it has the signature that you're looking for

1756
01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:16.760
<v Speaker 9>in these serial killers or these mass murderers. Probably is

1757
01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.239
<v Speaker 9>behind the payroll.

1758
01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:22.399
<v Speaker 5>You see that thread run through the colts too. Oh,

1759
01:45:22.439 --> 01:45:25.399
<v Speaker 5>the FBI was watching. I was watching.

1760
01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:28.279
<v Speaker 9>Where are their pensions coming from?

1761
01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Lisa, definitely, I mean you nailed it. Where is

1762
01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:41.600
<v Speaker 2>some money and like some of this stuff, well, they have.

1763
01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:43.640
<v Speaker 3>A job and then a lot a lot of these

1764
01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:47.479
<v Speaker 3>FEDS end up going missing later committing suicide or you

1765
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:48.640
<v Speaker 3>know that it's uh.

1766
01:45:50.359 --> 01:45:54.239
<v Speaker 2>On a yeah, well, and it's like how did they

1767
01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:56.920
<v Speaker 2>if you really look back in time, It's like how

1768
01:45:56.960 --> 01:46:01.039
<v Speaker 2>did they sustain their lifestyle? Because Jeffrey was supposed to

1769
01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:04.479
<v Speaker 2>have worked at like a chocolate factory during the day,

1770
01:46:04.760 --> 01:46:08.439
<v Speaker 2>and like, I had all this money to buy five

1771
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>gallon drums of acid, power tools, rent for his apartment,

1772
01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:14.479
<v Speaker 2>and do all these things. He's working part time at

1773
01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:18.279
<v Speaker 2>a fucking chocolate factory. He's taken dudes out to bars

1774
01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:22.079
<v Speaker 2>every single night. He's got money for drugs, he's got

1775
01:46:22.079 --> 01:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>money for alcohol. He's got It's like, who's the same.

1776
01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Thing with Columbine and all the guns at Columbine. It's like,

1777
01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:29.359
<v Speaker 3>how did those kids get those guns?

1778
01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:29.960
<v Speaker 10>You know what I mean?

1779
01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:33.439
<v Speaker 3>And all that AMMO the like, no, it was given

1780
01:46:33.479 --> 01:46:35.600
<v Speaker 3>to them, it has.

1781
01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:38.279
<v Speaker 2>To be right. It's like, where are they getting the

1782
01:46:38.359 --> 01:46:39.239
<v Speaker 2>fucking funds?

1783
01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:41.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't know how truthful this is. I mean,

1784
01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:43.880
<v Speaker 5>I guess I'd have to ask somebody that was in

1785
01:46:43.920 --> 01:46:46.800
<v Speaker 5>the Vietnam War. But when you watch it portrayed on

1786
01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:50.520
<v Speaker 5>TV or in the movies, you see these people living

1787
01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:53.600
<v Speaker 5>in like mud huts. But yet they're like shooting helicopters down.

1788
01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:56.720
<v Speaker 5>How the fuck did you even get those weapons?

1789
01:46:57.600 --> 01:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1790
01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:00.439
<v Speaker 5>Someone gave it to a obviously if that's it's the case,

1791
01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:05.119
<v Speaker 5>somebody funded these people too. I mean, all you do

1792
01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:07.239
<v Speaker 5>is you drop off a creative fucking shit. Somebody's gonna

1793
01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:10.720
<v Speaker 5>start touching with him, playing with it. Just have a helicopter,

1794
01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:12.359
<v Speaker 5>Just drop it in the village there you go have.

1795
01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Fun, right or I mean it's like, do you guys

1796
01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>ever remember Ted Bundy ever having a job ever? Like,

1797
01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:23.479
<v Speaker 2>did it ever say? He worked part time at Wendy's,

1798
01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:27.039
<v Speaker 2>He shined shoes at a train station, Like, did he

1799
01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:29.560
<v Speaker 2>ever have a fucking job ever? But he's able to

1800
01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:32.680
<v Speaker 2>buy train and plane tickets to Florida, He's able to

1801
01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:40.039
<v Speaker 2>live in multiple areas of the US, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Colorado.

1802
01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>He's always on the move, he's always staying at luxury

1803
01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:46.319
<v Speaker 2>hotels and shitept.

1804
01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:52.680
<v Speaker 3>That he came from the family, that Bundy family, you know,

1805
01:47:52.720 --> 01:48:00.800
<v Speaker 3>which is a well known American Illuminati bloodline. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1806
01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:04.680
<v Speaker 2>His dad was definitely military, so maybe.

1807
01:48:04.439 --> 01:48:06.319
<v Speaker 3>He did come from that bloodline and they were just

1808
01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:09.079
<v Speaker 3>well to do, but still getting funded.

1809
01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:13.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, somebody's funding this shit, somebody's given them stuff.

1810
01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the second I see a Netflix movie or

1811
01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:21.000
<v Speaker 2>documentary pop up about a serial killer, I immediately want

1812
01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:23.279
<v Speaker 2>to start looking into them because it's like, oh, this

1813
01:48:23.319 --> 01:48:26.119
<v Speaker 2>is one of yours, right, this is the this is

1814
01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:28.279
<v Speaker 2>one of the It's like it kind of makes me

1815
01:48:28.319 --> 01:48:31.079
<v Speaker 2>want to look at Scott Peterson. It kind of makes

1816
01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>me want to look at you know. I talked to

1817
01:48:33.800 --> 01:48:37.680
<v Speaker 2>JJ about OJ and I learned a lot of interesting

1818
01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:42.840
<v Speaker 2>information because it's like these ones that get propped up. Please,

1819
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.039
<v Speaker 2>for the love of God, look into him, because you

1820
01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:47.920
<v Speaker 2>will find stuff that will rock your fucking world. It

1821
01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:52.359
<v Speaker 2>will make you look at everything differently. And it's like

1822
01:48:52.399 --> 01:48:56.359
<v Speaker 2>they got zac Efron to play Ted Bundy, like really

1823
01:48:56.920 --> 01:49:00.239
<v Speaker 2>like one of the sexiest guys of all time, so

1824
01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:04.279
<v Speaker 2>you fan what fantasize about him. It's weird, maybe a

1825
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:09.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty good job. He like there's like a sexualization to

1826
01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:12.079
<v Speaker 2>it though, right, Like, why would you pick such a

1827
01:49:12.119 --> 01:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>handsome man to put And it.

1828
01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:15.760
<v Speaker 10>Was wasn't Bundy.

1829
01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:19.880
<v Speaker 3>He's supposed to be like handsome or whatever, like that

1830
01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:21.760
<v Speaker 3>era or whatever.

1831
01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:24.479
<v Speaker 2>He would he wouldn't know, Zach Effer.

1832
01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:26.319
<v Speaker 5>You know, it was weird though, Like now when you

1833
01:49:26.319 --> 01:49:28.319
<v Speaker 5>want to get into like the drue crimeer, nowadays you

1834
01:49:28.399 --> 01:49:31.159
<v Speaker 5>had like supposedly mad crazy chicks are going nuts for

1835
01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:34.000
<v Speaker 5>sucking the kid from Idaho four and it's like, yo,

1836
01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:35.880
<v Speaker 5>that dude was like fucking funked.

1837
01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Up, looking like people who said the Columbine one of

1838
01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:45.479
<v Speaker 2>the Columbine was attractive? Am I wrong about that?

1839
01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.359
<v Speaker 5>You could just be like people who are attracted to

1840
01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:51.159
<v Speaker 5>sick folks. What it could really mean is that just

1841
01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:52.640
<v Speaker 5>humanity's at that point right now.

1842
01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:55.920
<v Speaker 4>There's women who get off on right, and.

1843
01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just become so desensitized. And I think I used

1844
01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to be really big into the true crime. I used

1845
01:50:01.039 --> 01:50:03.439
<v Speaker 1>to love listening to true crime podcasts, and I think

1846
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I just got to this point where I'm like, I

1847
01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>just can't consume it as much anymore, looking into such

1848
01:50:09.039 --> 01:50:12.279
<v Speaker 1>a dark psyche like that. And it's like, you're right,

1849
01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:15.239
<v Speaker 1>all of these crime shows are so mass produced. It's

1850
01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>these documentaries and people like drool over it and feed

1851
01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:20.840
<v Speaker 1>over it, and it's kind of I've gotten to a

1852
01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:23.079
<v Speaker 1>point now where I'm kind of disgusted by it, Like

1853
01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:28.479
<v Speaker 1>how people get so excited over I know you're talking

1854
01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:30.119
<v Speaker 1>about the guy who remember the guy who killed his

1855
01:50:30.159 --> 01:50:32.239
<v Speaker 1>family I think can't remember his name, and then he

1856
01:50:32.279 --> 01:50:34.279
<v Speaker 1>had that girlfriend on the side and he literally killed

1857
01:50:34.279 --> 01:50:34.960
<v Speaker 1>his baby.

1858
01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Girls in the oil fields.

1859
01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:39.680
<v Speaker 10>Chris.

1860
01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:43.239
<v Speaker 1>He's another one of those guys that women go crazy over.

1861
01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:45.600
<v Speaker 1>And I just think that the way that true crime

1862
01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:49.279
<v Speaker 1>is pushed out in this murder and you know, just

1863
01:50:49.319 --> 01:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>all this girls, it's just gross how much.

1864
01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:54.680
<v Speaker 4>Idolizes they idolized.

1865
01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it idolizes it. And to me, like, I'm with

1866
01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:05.159
<v Speaker 2>because I I used to watch the crime shows. I

1867
01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:09.159
<v Speaker 2>used to listen to crime junkies podcasts. I used to

1868
01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:11.800
<v Speaker 2>listen to There was a girl that I used to

1869
01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>follow on YouTube that would do her makeup and like

1870
01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:17.840
<v Speaker 2>talk about serial killers and shit, she's real cute. But

1871
01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:21.119
<v Speaker 2>the problem is, it's like, and I don't want to

1872
01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:23.840
<v Speaker 2>sound like I'm better than anyone, but it's like, you're

1873
01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:27.159
<v Speaker 2>not giving people the full truth when you talk about

1874
01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:30.520
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. If you're not going to mention that these

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01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:35.479
<v Speaker 2>are most likely by design murderers who have been turned

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01:51:35.479 --> 01:51:40.600
<v Speaker 2>against their own people and created by secret military programs,

1877
01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like you're sensationalizing the death part in

1878
01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:46.359
<v Speaker 2>the murder part and the killer part, but you're not

1879
01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:52.319
<v Speaker 2>talking about where they came from or why they even exist,

1880
01:51:53.439 --> 01:51:58.279
<v Speaker 2>because until like the sixties, nobody was worried about you know, hey,

1881
01:51:58.319 --> 01:52:00.720
<v Speaker 2>did you make sure the front doors? We don't want

1882
01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:03.760
<v Speaker 2>fucking Richard Ramirez to come in here and rape grandma,

1883
01:52:04.279 --> 01:52:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Like nobody was talking about that. So, I mean, if

1884
01:52:08.079 --> 01:52:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get into the true crime, you have to

1885
01:52:11.239 --> 01:52:15.439
<v Speaker 2>back it up with where it potentially came from the

1886
01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:18.680
<v Speaker 2>whole serial killer movement, much like the Laurel Canyon. It's

1887
01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:23.239
<v Speaker 2>it's a setup, and you know, we've we've fallen for

1888
01:52:23.319 --> 01:52:25.079
<v Speaker 2>it totally, and.

1889
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<v Speaker 9>How much money it has generated as a genre, yes,

1890
01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:33.800
<v Speaker 9>huge energy.

1891
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<v Speaker 5>Oh energy, Yeah, you know there's even I've even mentioned

1892
01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:41.640
<v Speaker 5>this with uh. It's about with Lisa, Uh, just talking

1893
01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:44.359
<v Speaker 5>about the podcast in general, just like sometimes like either

1894
01:52:44.399 --> 01:52:46.319
<v Speaker 5>the show not going through so much growing pains, but

1895
01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:48.760
<v Speaker 5>maybe like me deciding like what do I really want

1896
01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:51.439
<v Speaker 5>to do? What do I enjoy doing? And I had

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01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:54.479
<v Speaker 5>said at one point, even with the True Crime, I said,

1898
01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:57.079
<v Speaker 5>it's almost like uncomfortable because it's like you are kind

1899
01:52:57.079 --> 01:53:01.199
<v Speaker 5>of like pimping out, like real fucked up shit, and

1900
01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:04.199
<v Speaker 5>like at one point, yeah, and I was like and

1901
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:08.079
<v Speaker 5>at one point, like when the show first started, that

1902
01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:10.039
<v Speaker 5>was a different co host that I had, and they

1903
01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:13.680
<v Speaker 5>were very much geared to like always covering pedophilia shit,

1904
01:53:14.479 --> 01:53:17.399
<v Speaker 5>you know, very like hashtag save the children type dude,

1905
01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:19.760
<v Speaker 5>and even that shit was sorry to get to me

1906
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:21.640
<v Speaker 5>because I was like, oh, this is just like fucking

1907
01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:25.600
<v Speaker 5>like something like you know, it's like yo, like I'm

1908
01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:27.199
<v Speaker 5>not for nothing, but I was just like putting this

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01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:29.399
<v Speaker 5>shit out, I'm gonna fucking break the internet and stop

1910
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:31.239
<v Speaker 5>it from happening, like what the fuck? Like I don't know.

1911
01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:33.119
<v Speaker 5>Just after a while, it's like this is just weird

1912
01:53:34.079 --> 01:53:36.239
<v Speaker 5>and just that and true crime. It's just like I

1913
01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:37.840
<v Speaker 5>kind of wanted I mean, I know we're doing a

1914
01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:39.840
<v Speaker 5>true crime now, but like if people were to kind

1915
01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:42.479
<v Speaker 5>of look at how the show was in the beginning, uh,

1916
01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:44.399
<v Speaker 5>you could definitely say that it definitely changed with that.

1917
01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:46.039
<v Speaker 5>I think it was like a little too much, and

1918
01:53:46.079 --> 01:53:48.279
<v Speaker 5>I just looked at it as kind of like a

1919
01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:50.359
<v Speaker 5>little weird. Yeah, and I just hate I'm gonna be

1920
01:53:50.359 --> 01:53:53.479
<v Speaker 5>totally honest with you people that are huge into both,

1921
01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:56.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm just throwing it out there every cult minded and

1922
01:53:56.199 --> 01:53:57.920
<v Speaker 5>that sort of get me wounded out to just be

1923
01:53:57.960 --> 01:53:58.680
<v Speaker 5>totally honestly.

1924
01:53:59.720 --> 01:54:01.960
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think it's good to take it in small doses.

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01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:04.640
<v Speaker 3>That's why, you know, my show is not mainly about

1926
01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:07.880
<v Speaker 3>true crime or the pair of political realm. But I still,

1927
01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:10.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, I produce a show every Tuesday that dives

1928
01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:15.199
<v Speaker 3>into Mark, Mark Dutroux and the Process and Temple is City,

1929
01:54:15.319 --> 01:54:19.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, so I get my feel of all that stuff.

1930
01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:22.640
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I feel you on just like the constant

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01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:23.960
<v Speaker 3>consuming of it.

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01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:26.800
<v Speaker 10>I couldn't do it. I couldn't talk about it like

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01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:27.359
<v Speaker 10>that either.

1934
01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:30.000
<v Speaker 5>Well even for me, it was just like even for

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01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:31.840
<v Speaker 5>the whole thing of the show, it's like I'm like,

1936
01:54:31.880 --> 01:54:34.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm not trying to actually pedle fear. I'm actually trying

1937
01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:37.119
<v Speaker 5>to pedal like, you know, not so much knowledge but information.

1938
01:54:37.520 --> 01:54:39.520
<v Speaker 5>And it's like all I'm doing is just handing fear

1939
01:54:39.560 --> 01:54:41.880
<v Speaker 5>and hate to my listeners when I cover that stuff

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01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:43.439
<v Speaker 5>over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I think the problem with presenting it in

1942
01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:52.119
<v Speaker 2>certain ways is that it's like Nick and Jules was saying,

1943
01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:57.720
<v Speaker 2>it can almost drain you to a certain degree if

1944
01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:00.760
<v Speaker 2>you present it in certain ways. I like to present

1945
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:04.479
<v Speaker 2>it in a way that I would feel like it's

1946
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.960
<v Speaker 2>more empowering to the listener, like, can you believe they've

1947
01:55:08.039 --> 01:55:11.039
<v Speaker 2>ran this program on us? Can you believe the connections

1948
01:55:11.039 --> 01:55:14.840
<v Speaker 2>between these guys. This isn't on accident. There's not random

1949
01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:18.359
<v Speaker 2>crazy people that are going to come to kids, right

1950
01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:21.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like they are running game on us, and we

1951
01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:23.920
<v Speaker 2>need to wake up to the fact that there is

1952
01:55:23.960 --> 01:55:26.680
<v Speaker 2>not random serial killers in your neighborhood that are going

1953
01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:28.640
<v Speaker 2>to come and kill you in your fucking house with

1954
01:55:28.680 --> 01:55:34.079
<v Speaker 2>your kids. There's unless there unless, But you look at

1955
01:55:34.079 --> 01:55:37.560
<v Speaker 2>the victims most of the time, they're they're chosen for

1956
01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:41.479
<v Speaker 2>a reason. Even with the Manson murders, Sharon Tate and

1957
01:55:41.560 --> 01:55:45.279
<v Speaker 2>all those people were chosen for a reason, you know,

1958
01:55:45.359 --> 01:55:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's.

1959
01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, that that was a sacrifice right there, because

1960
01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:54.199
<v Speaker 3>wasn't Polanski shooting Rosemary at the time.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, there is something there.

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01:55:58.840 --> 01:56:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say. For me, I think it's

1963
01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:06.319
<v Speaker 2>empowering to talk about the programmed aspect of it, because

1964
01:56:06.359 --> 01:56:08.159
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, there are serial killer

1965
01:56:08.239 --> 01:56:12.880
<v Speaker 2>shirt Most of them are fucking psychos that have been

1966
01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:16.399
<v Speaker 2>ran through some kind of a program. A lot of

1967
01:56:16.399 --> 01:56:21.119
<v Speaker 2>the victims, a lot of this stuff is staged. Even yeah,

1968
01:56:22.279 --> 01:56:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of stuff is, numbers are inflated,

1969
01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:30.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff gets there's crisis actors, there's you know. So when

1970
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I talk about it, I like to come at it

1971
01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:35.520
<v Speaker 2>from an angle of yes, this stuff is real, it's

1972
01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:37.920
<v Speaker 2>not what you think it is. You got to look

1973
01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:41.560
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes. Most of these people are connected and

1974
01:56:42.359 --> 01:56:44.520
<v Speaker 2>just be weary when you see something in the news,

1975
01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:47.119
<v Speaker 2>when you see a Netflix documentary, when you see something

1976
01:56:47.199 --> 01:56:49.920
<v Speaker 2>like this, you have to look in the background because

1977
01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:51.920
<v Speaker 2>when you do, it almost makes you feel better, like,

1978
01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:56.000
<v Speaker 2>ah shit, this is all like stage scripted, this is programmed,

1979
01:56:56.000 --> 01:57:00.479
<v Speaker 2>this is you know, it gives you back the uh

1980
01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:05.359
<v Speaker 2>discernment of is this scary or not? And most of

1981
01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:07.479
<v Speaker 2>the time it's not because it's like, oh it's another

1982
01:57:07.479 --> 01:57:10.039
<v Speaker 2>fucking CIA program. Thanks guys, fuck you.

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01:57:11.079 --> 01:57:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's always those guys.

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01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:15.079
<v Speaker 9>You know me.

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01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:19.119
<v Speaker 5>Even even like the last thing that I think that

1986
01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:21.680
<v Speaker 5>this show even covered, like true crime like me and List,

1987
01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:24.680
<v Speaker 5>I covered the Zizians, and when we covered that, I

1988
01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:27.079
<v Speaker 5>think we might have spent a total like four minutes

1989
01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:29.920
<v Speaker 5>actually talking about what the fuck they did, and the

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01:57:29.920 --> 01:57:33.560
<v Speaker 5>whole other two hours was actually their connections all through

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01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:38.239
<v Speaker 5>AI and we're to actually show there's something that's created this.

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01:57:39.399 --> 01:57:43.720
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, see the funding, the you know, how it's being

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01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:44.840
<v Speaker 9>propped up potentially.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it is a little bit different too, And the

1995
01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:49.239
<v Speaker 5>way you covered that way, I'm a little bit more comfortable,

1996
01:57:49.279 --> 01:57:52.119
<v Speaker 5>but some people just don't know it's different and.

1997
01:57:53.119 --> 01:57:55.920
<v Speaker 9>It covers it. I absolutely love it, like it's.

1998
01:57:55.720 --> 01:57:58.159
<v Speaker 5>Very That's why I have heard it all the time.

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01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:01.760
<v Speaker 9>Though, Yeah, in that it's in depth, but it's not

2000
01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:05.840
<v Speaker 9>it's not heavy, yeah for sure. And I know, like

2001
01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:07.920
<v Speaker 9>the reason that I was very into true crime and

2002
01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:10.560
<v Speaker 9>I still am, I'll admit it, is that I have

2003
01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:14.840
<v Speaker 9>a hyper analytical brain that if it's not over analyzing

2004
01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:17.640
<v Speaker 9>and piecing and tearing apart things and putting them back together,

2005
01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.600
<v Speaker 9>I tend to go mad a little bit. And and

2006
01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:24.199
<v Speaker 9>so that kind of serves as an outlet as a puzzle, like, oh,

2007
01:58:24.199 --> 01:58:26.279
<v Speaker 9>there's this puzzle that you my brain can kind of

2008
01:58:26.319 --> 01:58:29.079
<v Speaker 9>work on in the background. But then when we started

2009
01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:31.920
<v Speaker 9>covering the Smiling Face Killers and seeing how all of

2010
01:58:31.960 --> 01:58:35.960
<v Speaker 9>it was contrived and how multiple areas where there were

2011
01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:39.439
<v Speaker 9>corners or medical examiners not even investigating the case, I

2012
01:58:39.479 --> 01:58:42.680
<v Speaker 9>was like, this is this isn't even a real investigation.

2013
01:58:43.199 --> 01:58:45.640
<v Speaker 9>You start to loose my brain start to lose the

2014
01:58:45.680 --> 01:58:47.760
<v Speaker 9>ability to want to piece it all together because of

2015
01:58:47.800 --> 01:58:53.960
<v Speaker 9>evidence it was being presented was manufactured. Almost. So, yeah,

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01:58:54.359 --> 01:58:57.880
<v Speaker 9>it definitely definitely everything you said really at one hundred

2017
01:58:57.880 --> 01:58:58.600
<v Speaker 9>percent agree.

2018
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad you can see it the

2019
01:59:01.199 --> 01:59:03.159
<v Speaker 2>same way too, because I think there's a lot of

2020
01:59:03.199 --> 01:59:08.600
<v Speaker 2>power and just knowledge, like make yourself aware of simple

2021
01:59:08.840 --> 01:59:13.680
<v Speaker 2>explanations for things. Don't make it like a crazy bunch

2022
01:59:13.720 --> 01:59:16.199
<v Speaker 2>of killers out there and you never know when one's

2023
01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:19.199
<v Speaker 2>going to strike and or if you're going to be like, yeah,

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01:59:19.239 --> 01:59:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I get it. There is crime. There are real rapists,

2025
01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:24.439
<v Speaker 2>there are real psychos out there. But the ones that

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01:59:24.479 --> 01:59:28.279
<v Speaker 2>get their own Hulu special I mean the ones that

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01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:31.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, you you check those sure to.

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<v Speaker 5>Make sure it's locked it's I think those are all

2029
01:59:33.840 --> 01:59:35.720
<v Speaker 5>for sure fake. I think those are ways that they

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01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:37.079
<v Speaker 5>still drain and make money off.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the fucking thing.

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01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:43.600
<v Speaker 2>It's part of the theater, just like politics are part

2033
01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:47.279
<v Speaker 2>of the theater, right, just like assassination attempts can be

2034
01:59:47.319 --> 01:59:51.359
<v Speaker 2>part of the theater. Just like I mean, it's all

2035
01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:55.279
<v Speaker 2>part of the theater. Just like as we were talking

2036
01:59:55.319 --> 01:59:57.720
<v Speaker 2>about with Lee Harvey Oswald a little bit ago, how

2037
01:59:57.760 --> 02:00:01.000
<v Speaker 2>he knew one of these serial killers, Patrick Ernie, and

2038
02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:04.239
<v Speaker 2>like we all know what happened with JFK and stuff

2039
02:00:04.279 --> 02:00:08.239
<v Speaker 2>like that, and it's like, dude, it's all part of

2040
02:00:08.359 --> 02:00:11.920
<v Speaker 2>this show. They all know each other, they all probably

2041
02:00:11.960 --> 02:00:15.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking hang out. This is not an accident. And you

2042
02:00:15.880 --> 02:00:18.159
<v Speaker 2>know when you know shit like that, you start to

2043
02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:22.479
<v Speaker 2>feel better about Like, Okay, they're doing this intentionally to

2044
02:00:22.600 --> 02:00:25.880
<v Speaker 2>terrify people. And how about fuck you?

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<v Speaker 4>But mine is if my notes say butthhole socks in it,

2046
02:00:33.199 --> 02:00:34.800
<v Speaker 4>it's a good freaking episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I mean the next time, next time you

2048
02:00:41.840 --> 02:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>see a body on the side of the road, make

2049
02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:47.560
<v Speaker 2>sure you check their be hole for a sock, because

2050
02:00:47.680 --> 02:00:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Randy Craft is still alive and he could very easily

2051
02:00:51.359 --> 02:00:53.319
<v Speaker 2>escape prison and murder someone near you.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Uh I realize that's the title is episode, right,

2053
02:01:01.359 --> 02:01:02.159
<v Speaker 4>be whole Sick.

2054
02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:05.880
<v Speaker 10>It's a good title.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Randy Kraft Government cheese, be whole sock killer.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, mm hmm oh damn. All right, Uh well, thank

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<v Speaker 5>you very much, Julia. That was awesome as usual. That's

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02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:22.119
<v Speaker 5>what we love having you on for these Let everybody

2059
02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:24.119
<v Speaker 5>know where they can find only your amazing stuff again.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, thanks Nick and thanks. I absolutely love tonight's show

2061
02:01:28.800 --> 02:01:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and everybody that was a part of the conversation. Matthew McConaughey,

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02:01:34.239 --> 02:01:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Bennett with this ASMR voice broke amazing, Lisa always insightful,

2063
02:01:40.039 --> 02:01:43.640
<v Speaker 2>loved every minute of it. I have my own show.

2064
02:01:43.720 --> 02:01:46.960
<v Speaker 2>It's called Cosmic Peach Podcast and it's available wherever you

2065
02:01:47.039 --> 02:01:52.199
<v Speaker 2>listen to podcasts. And I am in accult reject part time.

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02:01:52.880 --> 02:01:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Have a show once a week on the Cult of

2067
02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Conspiracy that you can check out on Saturdays. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I I just I like having a good time working

2069
02:02:02.520 --> 02:02:08.000
<v Speaker 2>with people having these type of conversations. It's just it's

2070
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<v Speaker 2>fun and entertaining but also informational. And thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely, no, thank you for presenting it. I appreciate it. Uh.

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02:02:19.720 --> 02:02:21.479
<v Speaker 5>You know, when I let the other reject real quick

2073
02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:25.199
<v Speaker 5>plug plug theirselves as well, we'll go with Jewels real Quick.

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<v Speaker 5>Let everybody know where they.

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02:02:26.319 --> 02:02:31.039
<v Speaker 3>Can find you, guys, another banger of a show.

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<v Speaker 10>Nick.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you making me a part of this panel.

2078
02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:41.279
<v Speaker 3>Hopefully I can come on for more. Yes, guys, you

2079
02:02:41.359 --> 02:02:45.439
<v Speaker 3>can find me on Twitter x whatever, at gray Field Pod, Instagram,

2080
02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:49.960
<v Speaker 3>great Field Underscore Podcasts. I'm on Rumble YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

2081
02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:53.720
<v Speaker 3>all that good stuff locals, and Patreon. You can support

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<v Speaker 3>me over there, get a free sticker pack. All the

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<v Speaker 3>eloheum etamologies go there. They drop there for a week

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<v Speaker 3>before they're released to the public. We do esotery book

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<v Speaker 3>reviews every Saturday morning with Subliminal Messager. Now, season of

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<v Speaker 3>the rat is joining us and those are Patreon exclusive,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as the Twin Peaks watch party that we

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<v Speaker 3>are doing right now, which may commence tonight, if not

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<v Speaker 3>here in the next couple of nights. I will let

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<v Speaker 3>y'all know. But yeah, Patreon dot com, slash gray Pill

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<v Speaker 3>podcast and got a Nephelom Deaf Squad coming on tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>at one thirty Central everyone, so you'll tune in. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I think Friday Night, Nick, I think we're going

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<v Speaker 3>on with Sunday Night Secret Society and and Chef, So

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be a banger of a swapcast.

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<v Speaker 10>We'll have a bunch of people in there, so y'all

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<v Speaker 10>come hang out for that as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and go check out our episode of All Yeah

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<v Speaker 3>Already Dead last night if you haven't yet.

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<v Speaker 10>Another banger.

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<v Speaker 5>So appreciate you guys. Thanks all, appreciate it and Bennett so.

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<v Speaker 4>So thanks for having me on. Guys, it was great.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so much fun. Be holes and all. You

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<v Speaker 4>can find me at the Broadcasting Seeds podcast broadcasting seeds

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<v Speaker 4>dot com or all the lovely you know podcast players

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<v Speaker 4>of your choice. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you much.

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<v Speaker 10>I'll followed you over there by the way, Deniciata, thanks

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<v Speaker 10>yeah man.

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<v Speaker 2>And our bedtime stories with Bennette.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, you know I'm always looking to do another broadcast,

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<v Speaker 4>So there you go. Keep if I don't do enough, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, Brock. Please let everybody know what they can

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<v Speaker 5>find your music shop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to thank you for having me on,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you Julia for presenting the topic. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you showed us tonight that the web is so much

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<v Speaker 1>wider than we thought and it goes deep. But thank

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<v Speaker 1>you again for having me on. You can and find

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<v Speaker 1>my show Dark Florida wherever you get your podcasts and

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<v Speaker 1>interact over on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much, Brook, I always appreciate you coming

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<v Speaker 5>on the show. And last and not Elise Lisa the

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<v Speaker 5>occult reject demanded scientist, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you for inviting me? Julia, amazing presentation always and

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<v Speaker 9>I know that you know we would, don't I want

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<v Speaker 9>to do more serial killers with you. I'm sorry. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>just going to come out and say it. I love

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<v Speaker 9>the way you cover them. I love discussing them with you.

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<v Speaker 9>I would like for this entire Panelytics stay exactly the

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<v Speaker 9>same when we discuss another serial killer, please please, please,

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<v Speaker 9>And so just going to put that out there. Thank

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<v Speaker 9>you everyone. I very much enjoyed the discussion. And the

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<v Speaker 9>only thing I would like to plug is the Occult

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<v Speaker 9>Research Institute dot org, where some of the rejects have

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<v Speaker 9>contributed in a literary form content to things that have

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<v Speaker 9>been discussed on the podcast or not. But it supplies

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of information esoteric, ecoteric, what have you. But

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<v Speaker 9>please check us out there on a cult research institute

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<v Speaker 9>dot org.

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<v Speaker 4>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much, Lisa, and thank you everybody again

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<v Speaker 5>on the paddle. That was awesome. I had a great chat,

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<v Speaker 5>and thank you for everybody in the chat as well.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what's up. I saw a lot of people there

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<v Speaker 5>in the YouTube chat from the beginning to end. I

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<v Speaker 5>appreciate that. That's where we go live and until the

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<v Speaker 5>next one, everybody be well.

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<v Speaker 7>Lada doctor, my, I have seen the slow great of

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<v Speaker 7>without bride. Now I want to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I have done all that I.

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<v Speaker 7>Could see theble and the Gude's without hating.

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<v Speaker 2>You must help me a few can.

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<v Speaker 7>Doctor, tell me where.

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<v Speaker 3>It is going?

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<v Speaker 4>John by.

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<v Speaker 10>July the moment, for so long

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<v Speaker 2>H