Speaker 1: It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What a great idea. On iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff. And with me is
Speaker 1: naturalist and adventurer Charles Hood with his new beautiful book
Speaker 1: Nature at Night, Discover the hidden world that comes alive
Speaker 1: after dark. So, Charles, thank you for taking some time out.
Speaker 1: Thank you for writing this amazing book. I love it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so happy to be with you today. And
Speaker 2: I appreciate those kind words. And I'll just alert your
Speaker 2: listeners if I sound distracted. My dogs may hear my voice.
Speaker 2: He sounds like there's somebody in the room to see. Yeah, someone,
Speaker 2: What does he bring over? Friends? Do they have to write?
Speaker 1: Oh? I love that. Oh that's good. And if they
Speaker 1: bark in the background, that's even better. I don't mind
Speaker 1: that at all. It's very dog right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm hoping they'll leave me.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's so cute. What are your dog's names?
Speaker 2: I have two rescue dogs, and one is Fo she's
Speaker 2: a a sort of a Siberian husky kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And then we have sam Wise, who is a Shepherd
Speaker 2: husky mix. And they have different personalities, but they both
Speaker 2: are interested in, you know, if they hear my voice
Speaker 2: sound together, animated, like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on? We want to be part of it.
Speaker 1: Of course, what's Dad doing? I get it exactly, I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it. Ah, I love it. That's
Speaker 1: so cool. I know it's funny too, because in your
Speaker 1: bio that comes in your book. I love that it
Speaker 1: says that you're the proud caretaker of two dogs, two kayaks,
Speaker 1: and two mountain bikes. I love it. It's our unique description.
Speaker 1: But it's perfect.
Speaker 2: Well, and you mentioned there's also five thousand books mentioned
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about that part. That part, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: The bibe these others.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's true, the five thousand books. So okay. So
Speaker 1: I just have to tell you. You know, way back
Speaker 1: when when I first started radio, and I did an
Speaker 1: overnight show, and I did overnights for years, and there's
Speaker 1: a whole nother world out there in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, and your book just supports that, right, things
Speaker 1: come out only at night. And so tell me, so,
Speaker 1: why did you write this book?
Speaker 2: You know, for those of us who are sort of
Speaker 2: outdoorsy or kind of nature affiliated, we're trained by society
Speaker 2: to mistrust the night. This is true for most people.
Speaker 2: I suppose, like you have to have security security lights
Speaker 2: and a ring camera and when you open your car door,
Speaker 2: all the lights go on, and that's just you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's a false shouldn't be a scared afraid of
Speaker 2: the dark. But of course if you like nature, then
Speaker 2: nature didn't turn itself off on nature, right, and so
Speaker 2: twenty four hours of nature would include understanding, appreciating, celebrating
Speaker 2: what's happening after dark.
Speaker 1: Sure, and I mean there's a whole another world at
Speaker 1: night when it comes to nature, which I think probably
Speaker 1: many people don't realize, or not that they don't care
Speaker 1: about it, but they don't realize because they're probably sleeping
Speaker 1: or I think it's what you said, it's almost like
Speaker 1: that fear. You know, I'm not going to go out
Speaker 1: at night. But if you do go out night, go
Speaker 1: out at night. I mean, I love the fact your
Speaker 1: big four words is have fun, be safe. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that. Why is that a good good advice for
Speaker 1: people who go out and explore nature at night.
Speaker 2: Well, it's important for us to protect our night vision.
Speaker 2: And actually as humans, we actually anybody can see fine
Speaker 2: at night if we couldn't see at night, our ancestors
Speaker 2: would have never walked home from the farm or you know,
Speaker 2: just gathered in the crops. But where we lose our
Speaker 2: night vision when the headlights go on and the porch
Speaker 2: light goes on. So if we're going to go out
Speaker 2: at night, when I say be safe, not really thinking
Speaker 2: about bad people assaulting us so much as protect your
Speaker 2: night vision. Have a backup flashlight. Everyone's lost their keys
Speaker 2: or dropped something, and so what if you've got at night,
Speaker 2: have a second flashlight in case you break the first one.
Speaker 2: And so that's also tied into the idea of it's fun,
Speaker 2: it's easy, but take normal precautions right right, you go,
Speaker 2: if you're going to go on your first night hike,
Speaker 2: maybe go during the day, kind of learn the routine
Speaker 2: a little bit, and then come back after dark.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, which is just kind of common sense advice
Speaker 1: which I think sometimes a lot of people don't have anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's just because I grew
Speaker 2: up in an older generation, but that's sort of idea
Speaker 2: that you're responsible for yourself, you know, So it's not
Speaker 2: like I, you know, I'm so old, I don't have
Speaker 2: a cell phone in my childhood, you know, so right, no, right,
Speaker 2: be responsible, ride your bike, don't get it stolen, don't
Speaker 2: get you know, don't.
Speaker 1: Get arrested, right exactly. Yeah, it's true. That's the stuff
Speaker 1: I grew up with too. I didn't have a cell
Speaker 1: phone growing up as well. So yeah, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a whole nother world. It's true. It's actually just very
Speaker 1: simple common sense. So let's talk about a little bit
Speaker 1: about what happens at night. Like I love the fact
Speaker 1: that you talk about that animals, like, how do they
Speaker 1: know what time it is? So let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that.
Speaker 2: We know from various scientific studies that there are circadian rhythms.
Speaker 2: I mean, all of all of your listeners know that
Speaker 2: for themselves, and they so you know that our that
Speaker 2: our pets in our house, household, you know know what
Speaker 2: time it is. That my wife has fish and they
Speaker 2: know what time it is. Of course we didn't have
Speaker 2: life on the tank. They would know what morning is
Speaker 2: because it's time to get fed. Those circadium rhythms apply
Speaker 2: across the entire spectrum of animals and some you know,
Speaker 2: including plants, and you know why else they should say
Speaker 2: in the natural world. But for some things, they realize
Speaker 2: I can exploit the world in a more efficient way
Speaker 2: if I just switch my orientation. So if we think
Speaker 2: about the typical flower, it's used to kind of in
Speaker 2: our minds, we're picturing something yellow or red and the
Speaker 2: sun is shining and the pollinators like hummingbirds, are buzzing around.
Speaker 2: But everybody else is a red flower all around us,
Speaker 2: or a yellow flower whatever. So some flowers thought, you
Speaker 2: know what, what if we switch over, it will be
Speaker 2: the nighttime flowers. And yeah, we're gonna have maths instead
Speaker 2: of butterflies. So we don't care, you know what the
Speaker 2: name is as long as of things. So these are
Speaker 2: often white flowers or in the case of like suarrow
Speaker 2: cacti in the desert southwest, they like bats. So this
Speaker 2: cacti that are that have these big, showy white flowers, tubular,
Speaker 2: they're producing nectar, same as anything that would attract a hummingbird,
Speaker 2: but they're attracting these long nosed bats in the desert
Speaker 2: southwest and in northern Mexico, same thing pollinating tequila plants,
Speaker 2: by the way, to call it yegatti for tequila, and
Speaker 2: so they're getting pollinated, but they are able to get
Speaker 2: a really great pollinator because bats are big long distance flyers,
Speaker 2: and so you can get your genetic material way the
Speaker 2: heck out the one hundreds of miles away. The bats
Speaker 2: can do that in part because they're digesting the nectar,
Speaker 2: but they can also digest pollen a hummingbird can't do.
Speaker 2: Hummingbirds actually have to catch insects to round out their diet.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not just drinking from our hummingbird feeders exclusively.
Speaker 2: But bats can actually make do the you know, the
Speaker 2: pollinating bats can make do just simply off of nectar
Speaker 2: and pollen, and that's a satisfactory diet for them. So
Speaker 2: they've focused on that instead of doing things that other
Speaker 2: bats are doing, catching frogs or catching mosquitoes.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, so and it's funny too because people
Speaker 1: are scared of bats. Bats come out at night. So
Speaker 1: it goes full circle to what you said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: which you know, human nature just being odd, being weird,
Speaker 1: or just the way they're we're wired.
Speaker 2: Well, of course we want to be cautious. If I'm
Speaker 2: at night and I see something on the trail, is
Speaker 2: it a snake or is it a stick? That's a
Speaker 2: very healthy response way to respond to the world, but
Speaker 2: it's been made about a thousand times worse by this
Speaker 2: sort of cultural idea that the darkness is inherently menacing.
Speaker 2: That's where the horror films are, that where wolves are,
Speaker 2: and almost I don't want to get political, but it
Speaker 2: almost extends kind of our racial profiling of you know,
Speaker 2: darker things in general should be are the menacing things,
Speaker 2: and the whiter, more brightly lit things are kind of this.
Speaker 2: You know, Heaven is brightly, that hell is dark. Right
Speaker 2: if we think about these sort of extensions, and that's
Speaker 2: just robbing us of our heritage. We have every reason
Speaker 2: to be happy all the long. First of all, exactly
Speaker 2: no reason not to enjoy the nocturnal moth, right, No.
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's funny. I just had this conversation
Speaker 1: with somebody about black dog syndrome. Black dogs black cats
Speaker 1: are scary. Why they're not scary at all, but people
Speaker 1: think they are because the movies. You know, the mean
Speaker 1: dog is always the black dog, which is a Rottweiler
Speaker 1: or a Doberman. Black cats, Oh, it's bad luck, not true,
Speaker 1: so I think it goes. It's all it's all with
Speaker 1: the same theme. You know what I mean, it goes
Speaker 1: along with what you just said.
Speaker 2: You are so right about that. And in terms of
Speaker 2: like you know, I mentioned I have two dogs, and
Speaker 2: the husky happens to be what they call sable. I
Speaker 2: just call it the white dog. And then my shepherd
Speaker 2: mix is pure black. And even when people come over
Speaker 2: to my house and they trust me and they know
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stick the dog off them, they
Speaker 2: like the white dog. You know, the husky is somehow
Speaker 2: known or friendly or perceived to be a better product.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? It's just so bizarre to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. I just had this conversation and that
Speaker 1: we're having it as well. It's just so crazy. But
Speaker 1: I think it's also it's gotten drummed into people's heads
Speaker 1: from what they see on TV, in the movies, you know,
Speaker 1: fantasy stuff, but you know, with a whole like black dog,
Speaker 1: black cat syndrome and that. And you're right. And I
Speaker 1: was just having this conversation and the person said, yeah,
Speaker 1: people are more afraid of black animals than they are
Speaker 1: and I was like, but it doesn't make sense. But
Speaker 1: like you just said, yeah.
Speaker 2: I love what you're bringing up because I never thought
Speaker 2: about this, but now every were wolf I've ever seen
Speaker 2: is always dark brown or black like, even though real
Speaker 2: wolves can be pure white nature, right, lots of wolves
Speaker 2: are sort of gray with even a tan undercoat. So
Speaker 2: black wolves are the rare ones, but were wolves are
Speaker 2: not never can never variegated, right, and I mean not
Speaker 2: having their wolf imaginations broad It's true.
Speaker 1: Well, it's true. I mean, and think about it. That
Speaker 1: were really going off tangent because I want to get
Speaker 1: back to your book, but it's just funny, not off
Speaker 1: off off the subject. But I'm just that you just
Speaker 1: popped in my head talking about wolves. I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: member Game of Thrones and the you know, John Snow's
Speaker 1: wolves were pure white wolves and they were like the
Speaker 1: friendly helper wolves, right right, Yes, you know.
Speaker 2: And that goes into you know, racial relations and how
Speaker 2: people even from Southern Europe were devalued historically in North
Speaker 2: America compared to Northern Europeans. Yeah, you know, it's all interconnected.
Speaker 2: And I don't try to make a big deal out
Speaker 2: of this in the book because that gets into sort
Speaker 2: of some messy politics. Of course, that is the reality
Speaker 2: that we're just as scared of that we're praying to
Speaker 2: be afraid of the dark more than.
Speaker 1: Is reasonable, right, which is true.
Speaker 2: So we don't want our listeners to go out stepping
Speaker 2: on snakes, bad for the snake, for.
Speaker 1: You, bad for you, right exactly.
Speaker 2: But use your flashlights your.
Speaker 1: Flash light, yes, and go out and actually to get
Speaker 1: you exactly.
Speaker 2: The animals that didn't have with the night or not,
Speaker 2: you know, the bats or not. They don't want to
Speaker 2: get in your hair. They're not going to give you rabies.
Speaker 1: They're not going to bother you. They just want to
Speaker 1: be themselves, right, And that's why your book is so perfect,
Speaker 1: discover the hidden world that comes alive after dark. How
Speaker 1: long did it take you to put all the research
Speaker 1: together for the book? Like, how long did it take
Speaker 1: you to write it?
Speaker 2: Once I get my notes together, I can usually work quickly.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of different than some of the other writers,
Speaker 2: So it might only be a year. So those those
Speaker 2: of our listeners who don't earn in the trade, then
Speaker 2: it's another two years of production, you know, they have
Speaker 2: we have to go through all the photo editing and
Speaker 2: copy editing, and then the production. The books are on
Speaker 2: you know, on boats coming from China, and you know,
Speaker 2: sure and that's good to a warehouse. So I was
Speaker 2: working on this years ago, plural, but my writing is
Speaker 2: relatively swift.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Oh that's pretty good actually. And what number
Speaker 1: book is this for you to have written?
Speaker 2: You've written a lot of books I have, I think,
Speaker 2: depending how we count a lot of the poetry publications,
Speaker 2: this will be a round book. Twenty two ish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah. It's like anything in life. If you
Speaker 2: do it all your life, it'll your resume will accumulate
Speaker 2: by the end of your life.
Speaker 1: Well that's true, that's true. And you are not at
Speaker 1: the end of your life, so you have plenty more
Speaker 1: books in you. I know, when you were doing of
Speaker 1: putting this book together, doing the research, was there anything
Speaker 1: that you learn that surprised you, something that you didn't realize?
Speaker 2: You know? And again, I'm used to the daytime, I'm
Speaker 2: used to listen to the land, and I hadn't appreciated
Speaker 2: the largest migration on Earth is actually in the ocean.
Speaker 2: So it's not the caribou in Alaska, and it's not
Speaker 2: the serengetti will the beast, but trillions and trillions and
Speaker 2: trillions of organisms are rising up out of the depths
Speaker 2: during the night time to come up to the surface
Speaker 2: where the phytoplankton are the little planty things that need
Speaker 2: sunlight or a surface. But that's where the predators are.
Speaker 2: So during the day, the lesser animals, the zol plankton
Speaker 2: and other things, they're down there a thousand feet to
Speaker 2: house feet buol the surface and a nice safe darkness.
Speaker 2: The light kind of ends around three hundred feet roughly speaking,
Speaker 2: and they make a vertical migration to come up to
Speaker 2: the surface to feed. Well, that stand means things are
Speaker 2: following them, so like squid are coming up to the surface,
Speaker 2: and that then means the dolphins are feeding at night.
Speaker 2: When we go on a whale watching trip and we
Speaker 2: see the happy, splashy dolphins, they're happy and they're splashy,
Speaker 2: probably because they've already fad. They're feeding all night long
Speaker 2: because they have like a location they don't need daylight
Speaker 2: to eat a fish, sure catch a squid, and so
Speaker 2: they're up as a surface during the daytime socializing because
Speaker 2: that's there. That's their day off, so to speak. Right,
Speaker 2: I didn't really appreciate the scale of this is global
Speaker 2: in scale, and you know, it's not even seasonal. It
Speaker 2: is depending on where we are. Obviously the artic is
Speaker 2: a little bit different. But everything is moving up and
Speaker 2: down vertically every day of the year. I just found
Speaker 2: that fascinating.
Speaker 1: It is no, it is. It's like it's like the
Speaker 1: food chain is happening, but it's happening at night because
Speaker 1: the blanks about it.
Speaker 2: I have a picture of a dolphin during the day
Speaker 2: and it's got these little rosettes of whiteness on its flanks.
Speaker 2: This was in Indonesia, and I realized, oh, those are
Speaker 2: scars from cookie cutter sharks. So as the animals are
Speaker 2: going up and down, there's some sharks hanging around, pretty small,
Speaker 2: like a foot and a half long. They've got a circular,
Speaker 2: round mouth and they latch onto things quickly, do a
Speaker 2: little spin, take a little divid of skin out, and
Speaker 2: peel away. These are called cookie cutter sharks, right, And
Speaker 2: you can see the scars on dolphins and whales. And
Speaker 2: I happened to see a dolphin that was breaching out
Speaker 2: of the water and I got a picture like, what
Speaker 2: of that? What's this long series of white circles on
Speaker 2: this poor animal's flanks? Right? And that's when I realized
Speaker 2: oh at night, it's been it's been predated itself as
Speaker 2: it was chasing the squid by these sharks.
Speaker 1: Wow, and that's fascinating because most people wouldn't know that, right,
Speaker 1: How would we know that? They didn't teach us that
Speaker 1: in school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a pretty good picture, you know, for
Speaker 2: those of those of you who like to learn through imagery,
Speaker 2: which includes me, you know, I like pretty pictures. So
Speaker 2: there's actually a pretty good picture of that in the book.
Speaker 2: One of the two and forty pictures is of this
Speaker 2: leaping dolphin that shows very clearly the shark bites along
Speaker 2: its flank.
Speaker 1: The pictures in your book are stunning.
Speaker 2: Just so you know, well, you're very kind. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I'll hear I hold a copy up to the microphone
Speaker 2: so that your reader's compete a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when I when I make this live,
Speaker 1: I will post some of the phone from it because
Speaker 1: it's really I really the photos are just they really
Speaker 1: are stunning. I mean, I'm right now, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the owl and it starts owls and night jars, Moonlight's
Speaker 1: mystery birds. So let's let's talk a little bit. Why
Speaker 1: are owls there? The mystery birds at night with the
Speaker 1: moonlight especially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again there's a long cultural history, particularly in
Speaker 2: North America. You know, the idea if you see an owl,
Speaker 2: then someone's going to die, and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And you know what, can we say, Folklore can give
Speaker 2: us great wisdom but also a lot of boulder dash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great word, by the way, boulder dash.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that in a long time. I love it.
Speaker 2: Well, we're trying to we keep this show g rated.
Speaker 2: We want everybody to feel.
Speaker 1: Coming, right, that's true, but we don't have to trail. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you find a word you want, you can just
Speaker 1: say it. It's okay, but yes, so I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: mean to interrupt you. I just love that word, but
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: So you know, there are hundreds of species of owls
Speaker 2: all the way down to the elf owl that lives
Speaker 2: in woodpecker holes and smirow cacti up to the eagle owls,
Speaker 2: and they are finding lots and lots of ways to
Speaker 2: exploit their environment or fit into their environment. And I
Speaker 2: just thought it'd be interesting to show those but also
Speaker 2: to have photography that wasn't deer in the headlights. If
Speaker 2: we know that express expression. Tell your listeners there ain't
Speaker 2: a single deer in a single headlight in that book,
Speaker 2: simply because I refuse to allow that kind of photography
Speaker 2: to happen. It harasses the animals and it makes a
Speaker 2: very garish, lured kind of photograph. So on average, the
Speaker 2: flash or the flash units we're using or turned to
Speaker 2: a very low setting and often diffused with fashion fashion
Speaker 2: model lighting, if that makes sense to do a fashion shoot,
Speaker 2: they have these diffusers they use so that wraps the
Speaker 2: light around the model. And we brought those same lights
Speaker 2: into the rainforest in Nicaragua, for example, and in Peru
Speaker 2: in order to photograph owls and bats in a more
Speaker 2: i'll say encouraging way or a more welcoming way to
Speaker 2: make them seem less fearsome. And that's just a matter
Speaker 2: of you know, how do we want to manipulate the
Speaker 2: image and try to move the camera around and maybe
Speaker 2: move the lighting and say, hey, here's a flattering angle.
Speaker 2: This is actually a nice portrait.
Speaker 1: I just found everything amazing, and in fact I just
Speaker 1: found the photo on page two fifty, two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty of the rough tooth Dolphin. Yeah, well there you go,
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, and you can see all the
Speaker 1: marks on it. It's it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: And that's the tropical species that normally we wouldn't see
Speaker 2: in North America. There are a few records for southern California.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that picture was in Indonesia on a boat.
Speaker 2: Gosh darn it. I had to go to the flight
Speaker 2: of Bali and get on a boat. Oh, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Started this book was so much.
Speaker 1: It was Oh my goodness, you poor thing. Had to
Speaker 1: go to Bali. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I go to Bali and they upgraded my room and
Speaker 2: I had to have to stay in a private suite
Speaker 2: with my own swimming pool.
Speaker 1: Oh my no, poor poor things.
Speaker 2: They kept bringing them to me. It was dreadful being
Speaker 2: a naturalists. I just can't believe it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. So yeah, So obviously
Speaker 1: this book took you all around the world, right, and
Speaker 1: I I mean, I assume you've already been all around
Speaker 1: the world, because this is book number twenty two. Was
Speaker 1: there any place that you went to for this book
Speaker 1: that was the first time.
Speaker 2: Sure, Metagascar. Oh my goodness. I've been waiting to go
Speaker 2: to Madagascar all my life and I hadn't really appreciated.
Speaker 2: You know, we see the daytime lemurs if you've been
Speaker 2: to a zoo, if you ringtail lemurs or something, but
Speaker 2: most lemurs are actually nocturnal. Many are quite small and
Speaker 2: quite cute.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, so I hadn't really.
Speaker 2: Again, you know, there's oh now I think we're up
Speaker 2: to is our eighty species of but there been le's.
Speaker 2: They call it splitting. They've been taking one and making
Speaker 2: it into two units. So taxonomically it's very diverse now.
Speaker 2: But I didn't appreciate how many lemurs are just only
Speaker 2: out at night.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I never knew that until your book.
Speaker 2: For your listeners, there's a picture of me in Madagascar,
Speaker 2: me myself, the author. Because I saw animal number one
Speaker 2: thousand in terms of mammals, I'm actually that trip and so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually flipping to that page so I can
Speaker 1: also tell my listeners where they are with that. There
Speaker 1: you are one thousand, page two twenty seven, holding number
Speaker 1: one thousand. That's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it might happen. So we made a
Speaker 2: sign up in America before we got in the airplane
Speaker 2: to fly to Madagascar, and my assistant and I Crossley's
Speaker 2: dwarf from Memur and there's a we got a picture
Speaker 2: of it. Uh, you know, I don't know what to say, Like,
Speaker 2: it was just fun to do, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: birdwatching anything else. Lists are fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fun to have a big number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that Lemur is very adorable, by the way.
Speaker 1: That's that's the one that's next to you with the
Speaker 1: one thousand you got, no very Yeah. So for my
Speaker 1: listeners who are like, I'm fascinated, I have to see
Speaker 1: these photos. I have to see this book Nature at Night?
Speaker 1: Where can they get it?
Speaker 2: I really want to support our local bookstores. If you
Speaker 2: have anything that's independent and local, please order it through them.
Speaker 2: They need your business, yes, but it's where you live.
Speaker 2: The only thing that services you is Amazon. I have
Speaker 2: an Amazon account too. I will not look down on you,
Speaker 2: right or the publisher itself. Timber has its own website
Speaker 2: and you can get the book through Timber as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and what is on what's on the
Speaker 1: agenda next for you?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm working on a book about acorns, which it
Speaker 2: can turn out to be culturally relevant, but also there's
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of species of oaks on the way
Speaker 2: that you know, a given oak tree is actually supporting many, many,
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of insects besides the birds
Speaker 2: and the fung guy and the other kind of things
Speaker 2: you'd be associated with. It turns out as a much
Speaker 2: richer topic than I expected.
Speaker 1: Wow, so that will be your next book? And is
Speaker 1: it going to be another fast one? You think?
Speaker 2: Well? God willing right?
Speaker 1: All right, well you Charleshood, thank you so much. Thanks
Speaker 1: for chatting about your book Nature at Night, and I
Speaker 1: look forward to talking to you again, because now I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to and I'm intrigued by your next book
Speaker 1: about you know, about the acorns. I think it's probably
Speaker 1: going to be just as fascinating. So thank you, thank.
Speaker 2: You, so happy to talk to you. Thank you, Bye
Speaker 2: bye