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Cougar Sports. I was able to catch with Kevin gilbrid
BYU's tight end coach and I talked some twelve personnel,
one back, two tight end approach.
Speaker 3: It seems like all of the double digit.
Speaker 4: Win teams and BYU football history, we've had many of
them coincided seems with like twelve personnel two really good
tight ends. Now I think Klane has been able to
kind of undermine that a little bit. You had, you
know a little bit like Neil Powell for a minute,
and he was kind of a tight end wide receiver.
He was a necessary tight end, but he wasn't necessarily
just like a pure wide receiver. You know, you can
make some arguments for it, but like traditionally in the
glory days, you always had two awesome tight ends, and
you wonder, is this the year? Is this a walker
lines Roger Saliopaga twelve personnel type of team that gets
the double digits again in wins.
Speaker 3: So I chatted with him about it. Stay tuned, don't
go anywhere.
Speaker 4: As we get to know Kevin gilbrid in his tight
end room, he also talks about depth and the young
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b Yu's tight end coach. All right, we got Kevin
Gilbride tight Ends coach b YU. Kevin, how would you
describe Camp Koalani twenty twenty six springball spoonball?
Speaker 5: A lot of learning, a lot of growing.
Speaker 6: We've got a couple of new faces with Roger Sali
of Hoanga and Walker Lyons, who are two really good
players and they have to get caught up to speed.
They're doing a great job with that. But as as
the day's piled on and the install piles on top
on top of itself, it could get to be a lot.
Speaker 5: So it's about refining once they learn and then being
able to.
Speaker 6: Actually truly teach them how to execute rather than just
their job. The guys that have been here in the past,
we have a little bit more familiar familiarity with the offense,
have taken steps in the right direction, which we need.
Speaker 1: So how would you describe your room right now?
Speaker 3: What do you like about it?
Speaker 1: From top to bottom?
Speaker 6: We have some some leadership and some veterans with you know,
with Key and Need being here last year and playing
a lot of plays for us, and Noah Moayaki, and
then some younger guys who have stepped up and started
making some plays.
Speaker 5: On offense with Jacob Ny and Will Zundel, which has
been great.
Speaker 6: And then the new guys are they're complete players and
both of them as far as they're physical tools. Again,
we've got to keep getting them ready to you know,
play in games.
Speaker 5: But they can both be very multiple.
Speaker 6: They can be in line blockers, whether it's past protection
or run blocking, and then they could stretch the field,
whether it's from inline or flexed out.
Speaker 1: How does that lot like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so how does that change maybe the dynamic of
play calling for a guy like Karon Roderick and I mean,
I know you're you're involved in that install and kind
of projecting how you're gonna utilize the talent, But how
does that maybe change the dynamics of play calling. When
you have twelve personnel, you know that he can conthy push.
Speaker 6: Out there, it can really stress the defense, especially when
they're multiple, meaning they can do many things. If you
just put a guy out there who's just an inline guy,
or a guy out there's just a flex guy, that's
not as hard on defenses. But when they can get
into three point stance and come off the ball and
strike somebody and then flex out as a number one
receiver and go down the field or run a slant
or whatever the case may be that we ask them
to do and make place, you know, that really stresses
the defense a lot.
Speaker 5: So it can when we put our pieces in place
the right way.
Speaker 6: We can also manipulate what the defense does or understand
what they're trying to do to stop us.
Speaker 5: But all those things are valuable to us.
Speaker 4: YU fans geek out whenever I talk about twelve personnel
on my show.
Speaker 1: They think of you know, Chad Lewis.
Speaker 3: And he too, La Neeely.
Speaker 4: They think of Johnny Harleyan and Dan Coates, Dennis Pitta
and Andrew George. Is you know, I know you want
as many tight ends on the field as possible, right?
Is there like a competition of personnel for the coaches
too to get their guys on the field. Obviously all
trying to get the best eleven on the field, But
is that kind of a priority for you, Hey, I
want my tight ends on the field.
Speaker 6: It is a sense of not necessarily competition, like you
want we all want the best eleven players to be
on the field, but you want your guys to be
the eleven best players.
Speaker 5: On the field, so at least a couple of them.
Speaker 6: So I feel fortunate with the guys I'm getting to
coach right now. I feel like we're putting ourselves in
a position where we're establishing ourselves that way.
Speaker 4: How is it that Walker and Roger can step in
so seamlessly with their skill set and already turn heads
immediately in spring ball.
Speaker 6: Because they work their butt off to know the place,
And that's really what it came down to, Like they
both came in very driven to want to learn the
offense and learn in and out, like not just what
they have, but how to get it done. So again,
as these installs keep piling up, it becomes a little
bit too much and we got to go back and
refresh and give them the refresher courses. But overall, I mean,
they've really done a nice job with understanding what to
do and how to do it.
Speaker 1: Trevin Osler is still part of that extended tight.
Speaker 5: End room with that right now.
Speaker 6: But that's that's something that you got to, you know,
have the opportunity to utilize at times, especially in the NFL,
and they use it all the time when they get
into their bigger packages.
Speaker 5: So it's not off the table.
Speaker 4: Certainly as far as what you've kind of discovered about
yourself coachy here you have an illustrious resume NFL college,
coming from great lineas with your dad one of the
kind of the legendary coaches in the NFL for a
long time. What have you learned kind of about yourself
here at BYU that has maybe stood out to you.
Speaker 6: I don't know anything specific other than if you're not growing,
you're not you're not improving, you're.
Speaker 5: Not getting better.
Speaker 6: And that's what I try to do, is I try
to get better with with my craft and how I
you know, whether it's perfecting how I teach or perfecting
help try to.
Speaker 5: Recruit a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of a unique thing, unique, you know
because like you haven't always been recruiting right either, So
speak a little bit more on that.
Speaker 6: It took not a lot, but it took a lot
of work, not a lot of time of work to
try to get caught up to speed.
Speaker 5: You know how things are done these days recruiting, and you.
Speaker 6: Know, compared to back when I did it, everything's different,
you know, So so you got to grow up pretty
quick in the in the understanding, whether it be the
rules or the style of recruiting that.
Speaker 5: We do here at b YU.
Speaker 6: But it's been great, Like I've really enjoyed it, Like
I understand and enjoy the challenges that come with being
here at b YU.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: The Air last year showed an elite proficiency in his
intermediate passion game, especially when it's in play action for
tight ends. I mean like Walker and Roger and Key
and you mentioned and a lot of these guys that
have some experience in Noah, that's going to be an
attractive trait, you know, with auction routes and seam sale concepts,
and I mean, if you're a tight end, why wouldn't
you want an elite Why wouldn't you want to play
for b YU right now?
Speaker 6: Well, I think that's a big part of how we
were able to land Walker and Roger was the success
that Carson ran had and then he laid the groundwork
as far as you know, us finding ways to get
the ball to the tight end, and then the success
he had, you know, will springboard us into the future.
Speaker 1: Carson had a great pro day.
Speaker 4: It really stood out one of the more athletic quick efficient.
I mean he was he was fast, but very very
proficient in his agility drills. What's stooding as to you
about his performance.
Speaker 5: I didn't watch much of the agility drills themselves.
Speaker 6: I just saw the times and those were excellent, so
I know he did a great job with it.
Speaker 5: I loved how he moved in his in his.
Speaker 6: Workout like he moved incredibly efficient, you know, and that's
that's something that he and I worked on.
Speaker 5: But he really worked on a ton through the course
of this last year. Just to see the steady improvement
in that area has really been fun to watch.
Speaker 6: He was a fun guy to coach, special special young
man for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very coachable, right, And I always said, like entitlement
doesn't really work at VYU, bringing in the right guys
with the right skill set, with the right mindset is
pretty critical I think in the Kalani culture.
Speaker 1: Would you agree?
Speaker 5: I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 6: That's why it was it was special to get a
guy like Carson because he had that approach to Roger
and Walker have as far as one to hit the
ground running and really digest not just what to do
in the offense, but how to do it. And they're
almost mirror images of him in that regard.
Speaker 5: The approach that they have. So it's pretty special to
get Carson.
Speaker 6: And now we've got two other pretty special players and
human beings.
Speaker 5: So it's been fun.
Speaker 4: What are some of your mantras in your culture that
you liked and still in your tight end meeting rooms
and within your group.
Speaker 6: That it's all about the process, Like, I don't care
about the results.
Speaker 5: I don't care if you'd.
Speaker 6: Caught a huge pass, if you weren't doing things the
right way, I'm not gonna be happy, and I don't
think you should be either, you know. To the contrary
of that is, I don't care if you if you
fall down trying to block somebody.
Speaker 5: As long as you're trying to get better.
Speaker 6: And you're working the process of the technique that we're
working through, I'm okay with it because the process right
now in the spring.
Speaker 5: Does not matter.
Speaker 6: All that matters is the result on Saturday, you know,
in the fall. So that's what we're working towards right now.
When you have that approach, you have a growth mindset.
And so those those are two focused on the process
have a growth mindset, and then we're gonna be ready
come fallt mab b u Yu.
Speaker 4: Since the hiring of you and TJ, the run game
has progressed, leaves and bounds right one of the best
running teams.
Speaker 1: In the country last year in the Big twelve.
Speaker 4: Could you explain maybe the dynamic of a rod you
and TJ as as because it all kind of meshes
obviously Harvey as well with its running backs, how you
guys get on the same page in the run game,
and how the play action game has been able to
be maximized because of it.
Speaker 5: I would say that TJ does a great job with the.
Speaker 6: With the run game planning, which I'm not as big
of a of a part of as Harvey is. So
it's Harvey and TJ as far as the game planning itself,
but then it's up to us to implement it and
to get the get the guys to execute. And that's
kind of where I come into play in the run
game and then building things in the past game off
of it. And that's something that we've improved on and
we can continue to improve on, and I think you'll
see that.
Speaker 4: You know, come fall, tight ends want to catch touchdowns,
they want to run routes, they want to get out
in the open, but they have to be in line sometimes.
You mentioned the multiplicity of your tight ends. You know,
it sounds like Walker and Roger and these guys they
can all they can all block. What stands out to
you about their physicality why you believe that they can
be in line guys as well?
Speaker 5: Their toughness They're great.
Speaker 6: They've both shown it and it's been It's a limited
basis as far as the new guys that I've seen,
because you know it's springball. You know, we're not tackling
all the way to the ground, we're not going live.
But initial contact is initial contact, and that's there with
those guys.
Speaker 5: They don't shy away from it at all, so you
know they have it.
Speaker 6: We just have to protect perfect some of their techniques,
and they're getting there.
Speaker 5: They work at it.
Speaker 4: You mentioned a couple of young guys, Jacob n I,
Will Zendell. We saw Will run down on kickoffs. He's fast, Yes,
he's very, very linear, A good athlete out of I
think American four.
Speaker 1: Jacob Nike out of Texas. You know, hasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we've got anyone's really a mantable
to see him. Can't explain your depth if you could.
Speaker 5: Will Zundel is exactly how you explained it.
Speaker 6: He is a fast, fast player, and he's big and
strong as well. He's learning the tight end position. He
played more receiver than he did in high school than
he did than he is now. Obviously he's playing tight end,
but but.
Speaker 5: He's learning it and learning it well.
Speaker 6: And a big part of that with him was understanding
the timing of the passing game and then understanding how
to get his job done in the run game. He's
taken He's grown leaps and bounds in the last.
Speaker 5: Year, which is tremendous. So he's headed in the right direction.
Speaker 6: Jacob has been hurt and his knee hasn't quite been
right yet. We finally got him where he's being able
to perform and perform at a.
Speaker 5: Pretty high level.
Speaker 6: We just have to get him more consistent. And again
he was more of a receiver than he was in
high school than he was And the tight end, what
are you.
Speaker 4: Looking for when you're recruiting tight ends like the freshman
Obviously that the portal tight ends may be a little
bit different. What are you looking for in that freshman
tight end that merits and offering of ty Getchi and
Brock Harris, those were a couple of big offers that
you had that end up signing.
Speaker 1: What are you looking for?
Speaker 6: It's really kind of hard to explain, but because I
don't think there's there's one making model for tight ends,
like and that holds truth in the NFL as well,
Like I coached a lot of different body types, a
lot of different skill sets. But how tough are they
are they willing to block? I?
Speaker 5: Do they have grit?
Speaker 6: And then the other skill sets have to match, meaning
like they have to if they're a little bit a
little underwhelming in the run game blocking, Yep, they better
have some height and be able to go get the football,
and you know when they're catching passes, but it's a
sliding scale and you know in those regards, so if
they're not quite as fast or something like that, then
they better be able to block their butts off. So
I can't describe one particular thing, but there's as long
as they've got grit, as long as they've got tough
toughness with physical and mental, we can make it work.
Speaker 4: Last thing, defensively, everyone's kind of wondering what the defense
is looking like now that you know there's some changes
on the coaching staff. How would you describe the defense
being coached up by k Pop and the crew.
Speaker 5: I think it's very comparable to our defense.
Speaker 6: Before they're flying around their competitive athletics, they throw a
lot at you schematically, whether it be different pressures or
different coverages. They're doing a good job with some of
their disguises, multiple in their.
Speaker 5: Fronts, so they make it challenging. And that's how coach
Hill had it as well.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Kevi o'brid good, All right, there you go.
Speaker 4: That's Kevin gilbrid, the tight ends coach for BYU football.
A couple of the gems that it got from this,
and it was like kind of on the back end,
I want to start off with, you know what he's
looking for in the tight ends that he is recruiting.
So you look at ty Gedgee, you look at Brock Harris,
you look at Walker, Lions, Roger Sally of PAGA.
Speaker 3: They're all kind of built differently.
Speaker 4: Brock Harrisson more like a Dennis Pitto tie big wide
receiver type sixty six, et cetera, and just a.
Speaker 3: Refined route run.
Speaker 4: A good athlete, obviously, but just a refined route run,
a great catching radius, super soft, supple hands, just catches
everything in the in that catching radio's great body control.
Tyketch you is more of like a springy athletic, just bouncy,
high pointing athlete, basketball player, really physical. He's well going
to be a good inline blocker, I think, when all
of said and done, really really a physical specimen in
that regard. Walker is an undersized tight end traditionally six
three six four two forty five, and by undersize I
mean like from a height standpoint, but really thick and dense.
Speaker 3: And very strong. Obviously a great talent.
Speaker 4: Roger Uh, He's built once again like six three sixty four.
He's kind of my Neil Powell comparison. He's more of
a big wide receiver than he is maybe a tight end,
but he can block too. Like, and so when he's
talking about things that he's looking for, like, yeah, I
want X, Y and Z, but like, it doesn't matter
the height, it doesn't matter the weight. It doesn't to
a degree, I guess it does. But I'm sure he's
got his cutoffs. I'm sure he has his curation process
where he's he's saying, well, you know, snow six to
one tight ends, right, No, sixth two and a half,
that's maybe his.
Speaker 3: His his threshold.
Speaker 4: But if he got great length from a wingspan or
on leg standpoint, that's that can make up for it.
Speaker 3: So you just got to go out there and do
the job. You better be gritty, you better be physical.
Speaker 4: And but he doesn't have a cookie cutter definition of
what a tight end looks like, which I think is
really good. I think the the NFL many times can
ruin coaches. And you can tell that he comes from
a football family. Remember Kevin's dad, Kevin gilbrid senior, he
coached college football, you know, starting in like the seventies
and then made his way to the NFL.
Speaker 3: By like nineteen eighty nine, he was.
Speaker 4: Coaching in the NFL with the Houston Oilers, Jacksonville Jaguars,
Sango Chargers, Steelers, Bills Giants, who became the head coach
there with the or the offensive coordinator with the New
York Giants, and really good offensive mine, et cetera. But
sometimes the NFL can ruin you. You look at height, weight,
tangibles and things that nature and athleticism and you get
you get drunken with it and you're not looking for
the best football player. You can tell that Kevin's looking
for the best football player. So I appreciate that. You
look at who we went out and got. You got
KEA Neid out of New Mexico ethan Wood, New Mexico,
New Mexico State and New Mexican University of New Mexico
both kind of a juco path with those guys, gritty
in line, tight ends physical. So he's looking for certain
skill sets, right, But he's not going to just say, hey,
this is the height and the weight. And a lot
of offensive coaches or defensive coaches will do that too.
They say, I'm not gonna recruit certain individuals because they're
not tall enough, they're not long enough, they may not
be fast enough, whatever it is. I know there's thresholds,
but I thought that was interesting that he doesn't cookie
cut on the tangibles, the measurables, et cetera. A couple
of other things that that I noticed about the conversation. Man,
he is upbeat, he is positive, he is One of
the things I was concerned about when we lost Steve
Clark was that, you know, it's always it's tough to
find the right fits at BYU from personality standpoints sometimes,
and Kevin fits the mold.
Speaker 3: Obviously.
Speaker 4: He had been recruited to b A who's there at
b AU for for a year before I believe transferring
as a player. But I just think he's a great
fit personality wise. I think he gets along with the
kids really well. He's he seems like a player's coach
to me. But some great gems there. I know, Ronnie,
were you were listening in anything stand out to you
from for that conversation. I know twelve personnel was the
topic as you were in. Roger Sally of pagin Walker lines,
they're gonna be on the field. It seems like all day,
every day with some intermittent I mean, he said, I
think he may have said, I love the thirteen personnel.
He probably wants to get Kia need on the on
the grid iron as well.
Speaker 3: Give me some of your takeaways.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the biggest takeaway at the end is
a reminder about the last two tight ends. He mintioned
Will Zondale being one of them. These guys play more
receiver in high school and they're converting over It sounds
like you're tight in learning the position, Ben, so you know,
there needs to be some growth and some patients and
you know, and when you mentioned Will being fast and linear,
I can't remember which game was, but I was looking
at it. I was like, man, eighty three just got
down the field way you fast. I said, who is that?
And I was next to another reporter and we both
looked a rousss like I did not expect.
Speaker 8: I was like, wait, wasn't he a receiver? So yeah,
we'll we'll moved over to tight end. Big body. Look,
don't want to get matched up with that dude in
the red zone.
Speaker 7: And I think the biggest thing is the guys that
he's going to get Ben out of the portal guys
that they're recruiting, and he said this, you know, are
you willing to block? He's not just gonna get you
if you're flashy, like you gotta put that hand in
the dirt.
Speaker 8: You gotta be able to get physical.
Speaker 7: He talked about, yeah, they're only doing thud contact, but
you got to embrace contact and deliver it. You have
to be physical at the point of attack. So, you know,
I thought that was something that was interesting to look.
All the tight ends coaches want to but you know
some you know, oh this guy just blocks, but this
guy does.
Speaker 8: Like you have to be willing to be able to
do that.
Speaker 7: You saw that with Carson Ryan, and I think the
reason why you got Walker, why you got Robert, was
you saw what Carson Ryan only did in the in
the receiving game, but in the blocking game, run game,
pass blocking game, and that became very attractive Ben, because
when you get to the next level, Ben, Look, everybody
talks about rob they talk about you know Travis, you know,
as being the greatest tight ends.
Speaker 8: They don't just catch the ball, they also have to block.
You have to do both.
Speaker 7: So I think that was really important to bring up that,
so we'll see what you know happens. I would love
to see, you know, a third guy, look, Ben, thirteen
fourteen personnel, keep it going with LJ ANDC on the
back if they're healthy, if that's your one two punch Ben, Look,
I would love nothing more than get you know, over
five six hundred yards on the ground, Ben, and you know,
be able to come back into his last year because
you know he's been he's been dinged up, but he's
finally fully healthy. I think that really is what contributes
to Bau's success been and not only getting back to
the Big two title game, beating a team like Nordre
Dame getting to the college football playoffs. You have the
big you have one running back. Now you need the
second guy who's been in and out to be that
next guy behind him. With the great offensive line, he
got the two tight ends to do it. So let's see.
And to your point, he is very upbeating, very very
a lot of good energy, very complimentary. So I was
really really impressed with that. Like his whole demeanor and personality,
very personable person So Kevin Gilbright, I see why they
brought him here and has worked out well and to
your last point. You know, Harvey Unger in the run
game and t J Woods phenomenal job, the guys that
they're recruiting, who they're talking to.
Speaker 9: Ben.
Speaker 8: You know, I've pushed this the last two days.
Speaker 7: You know we'll get our obviously, you know more thoughts
you know throughout Fall camp, but offensive line and the
run blocking game seems like, you know, the toughest thing
that they're focused on, like who and who along with
the tight ends and the offensive line are gonna be
blocking for LG. I think that's gonna be a tough
position for guys to get filled into because they got
so much depth there.
Speaker 4: Get ready for that twelve personnel hype trained cougarnation is
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ESPN Sports Center updates.
Speaker 10: It was a big day for Cougon Sports yesterday as
three different teams took home the victory. We start with
men's golf, who broke multiple records yesterday's They took home
the title of the GCAA Bridgestone Collegiate Invitational. To start,
the YU set the record for the lowest final round
score on program history as they shot a combined twenty
six hunder par two sixty two. Their final score of
fifty four under par was the lowest in school history,
and their final stroke count of eight ten was the
second lowest. With their fifty four under par performance, they
completely dominated the competition as they went on to beat
second place Santa Clara by twenty five strokes. On the
individual side of things, Ya Kene took home the individual crown,
shooting twenty one under par, which was the lowest individual
score since the nineteen ninety nine two thousand season. Thanks
to a career best nine under in his first round.
In second place in the event was another BYU golfer
Peter Kim. Kim sixteen under par was his career best
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Speaker 3: Isaac, how you living doing well?
Speaker 9: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Hey a pleasure talking ball with you today. How would
you describe March Madness thus far?
Speaker 4: How would you describe from your pulpit, the ups and downs,
the undulations, the surprises, and the chalk talk as well.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like if you wanted chalk in this tournament,
you certainly got it right with a bunch of the
top yet winning. But if you wanted a little upset,
you also got that as well, right with Iowa pulling
the upset over Florida. I still cannot believe that the
Hawkeys won that game. That roster had no business beating
the defending champs. But then McCollum is kind of a wizard,
kind of good at what he does. He's won eighty
percent of his games for a reason. And then if
you wanted really high quality basketball, I think this this
weekend also really showed that to you. I'm kind of
going through some of the games. Every time you kind
of flip the screen, you're like, man, that's a really
good game that's playing. You know, even Michigan beats slow
by you know, twenty five points. But if you watch
that game, you're like, Wow, these are really two high
quality teams running good offense. So I felt like, for
the most part, the quality of play throughout the first
weekend was really good. Officiating was really poor. We got
a lot of chalk and we got one good upset
and a couple of really really good games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a bit of a Cinderella story
with high point and the three point shooting, the efficiency,
et cetera.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 4: And you know, do you want do does does does
the college basketball fan base do they want to see
Cinderellas make it to the Sweet sixteen? Or do they
just like that that initial round or a playing game
type of Cinderella story and it stops at the round
of thirty two?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at too. I think
one or two games that you win from a Cinderella
is great. But you know, I think a few years ago,
like FDU playing Carolina in a big Sweet sixteen game
wasn't necessarily the most fun or something like that like that.
That's kind of there or now I think it was
at Saint Peter's against Carolina where it wasn't super competitive.
But yeah, like that's kind of where it goes a
little bit too far for me. I think if you're
a basketball fame, you kind of look at this Sweet
sixteen slate, you're like, man, these are eight excellent games,
really excellent games, and you know, I think there's gonna
be a lot made of like, oh no, Cinderella's in
this second weekend, But I think there's real like explanations
for it, and it's far more than nil and you know,
the portal. I think it really does come down to
just roster building and more teams at the top the
sport are just trying to get bigger and bigger and bigger,
and to kind of use the football analogy of just like, hey,
big people move little people. I think that's what we're
kind of noticing more at the top, and it's why
some of the you know, the teams like that are
in the high major leagues have just become more successful
early in the tournament. I also thought this tournament was
seated better as well, like for the most part that
the top teams got decent draws, But like a Utah
State that's a really good team that could have easily
made the second weekend. They just had to play Arizona
slew It's a really good mid major team. They had
a great year, but they got a horrible draw. They
had to play Michigan. That's why they're not in the
second weekend. So that's just about more just like unfortunate timing,
and it kind of all muddles together. We have sixteen
kind of hot major teams playing for the title.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Calhoun was pretty ticked off when he got his
seating right the matchup in the bracket. He's like, look
like we should have been a higher seed and we
kind of got screwed. That's why we're out in the
round to thirty two. He said it prior to to
tip off in that first round, and he said it
again in the post game. And now he's he's head
into a power conference where he's got a more robust
he's got more robust resources. And fortunately Utah State has
had like four coaches it seems in five or six years.
They just start stepping stone for everybody. But everybody moves there.
Everyone can go go there, move there and win there.
Speaker 9: Right, there is no like there is no drop offs,
which is like you just names change, coaches, change players
change Utah stay keeps winning. So yeah, I'm just kind
of curious why is that?
Speaker 3: Do you think? How is that happening?
Speaker 9: Do you think it's a good question?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: I think part of it is just like institutional there,
Like they do a really good job of like keeping
guys like Mason Falselv has stayed for three coaches now
throughout his career and he's like one of the best
players in the Mountain West. But it's definitely more than
just that, Like I think it's a it's a place
that really loves basketball. I think it's a place that
gives good resources to its coaches for its league. Right
compared to some of the other teams that are in there,
they have a great home court advantage, so I think
that certainly helps. Well, it's an attractive place to play
basketball when you factor in just everything that they have
going there. So I think that's kind of all of
the different things there. But also part of me just
kind of feels like it's a little bit of good
fortune too, right, Like there's a they've done a good
job of like executing and finding good coaches, and like,
I mean even Calhoun to a certain extent, like if
you look at his resume at Youngstound State, like I
think a lot of people like view him as like, oh,
you have to like win in March in order to
like be a good basketball coach like Calhoun to do that.
But Utah States brass still did a good job of
being like, no, look, he's exceeded expectations every single year
at Youngstown State. If we give him these type of resources,
he's gonna win. And sure enough they did just that.
Speaker 3: No doubt about it.
Speaker 4: We were discussing, you know, the disappointments as well in
the NCAA Tournament. I think the BWAYU Cougar's losing to
Texas that was a disappointed for kugarnation we've had. You know,
there are some people that felt like, hey, this is
one of the more disappointing, if not the most disappointing
season in b WEA basketball history, because of all the
talent that they had to start off the season, the
five season ending injuries. Three of those guys are starters
or rotation players. Give me your synopsis of BYU this year.
What did you see and how do you feel it
ended up for them?
Speaker 9: Yeah, a little bit of a cursed year, right, Like
you feel like you're blessed with the type of talent
that you're able to accrue and just never really got
to see it on the full center stage, right, Like
how many games does this team fully healthy? Like not
any of their biggest ones. Right, It's just a fair
just a fair estimate of where this season was. But
I also do think there were some miscalculations with this
roster being filled, you know, I think there if you
ask Kevin Young, like they probably wish that they had
a little bit more depth in the front line. And
you see the teams at the top of the sport,
right like what Arizona has done at the top of
the Big twelve, Like they have four massive dudes that
they can trot out and are major, major difference makers,
And it felt like Uyu's frontline, like Kbakeda outside of that,
it was a little limited, Right, That's just a fair
part of what their roster was, So I think their
margin for error was a little bit slimmer than some
of the teams at the top. But there's no question
if Ritchie Saunders was healthy I would have been stunned
if Yu was not in the second weekend. The guy
like that can kind of almost single handedly drag you
into the n into the second weekend when you're paired
with Ajda Bones and you're paired with Rob Wright, and
just without him, it felt like this team kind of
got wobbily, and you understand it for everything he did
on the court off the court as a leader, as
their offensive rebounding machine. The hustle of a hustle guy
basically kept the be live. Just a shame that a
guy like that didn't get to didn't get to play
in March Madness one more time.
Speaker 4: Who are your favorite teams right now to survive in
advance to get to that elite aid? Where are you
leaning right now?
Speaker 9: Yeah? So for me, like, I think Arizona matches up
great with Arkansas. You know, I think Arkansas's interior defense
is an issue, transition defense is an issue, pick and
roll defense is an issue. Arizona is like elite at
all three of those categories. So unless Darius Akuff like
touches the heavens and goes for you know, forty five,
forty six points, Like I think Arizona's good advance and
to me, like, I just feel like Arizona and Michigan
have been the best two teams that I've seen this
year in person, and I just think they're on a
collision course in the final four. I think Michigan is
going to be able to get through an Alabama team
that doesn't have Aiden Holloway. I think they could get
through a Tennessee team that has a beat up Nate Amen.
I think they could get through a team like I
always say too as a beat up Josh Jefferson. Like,
so Michigan and Arizona feels like the national Championship game
that we're going to have just forty eight hours early,
right on that Saturday in April. So those two teams
feel inevitable. There's other good matchups though, right Like I
think Illinois Houston is super fascinating. Both those teams are
top six on Tenpom, just elite teams. Like if you
told me in the beginning of the season Illinois and
hous started playing in the final four. Ho to believe you,
But we're getting it in the sweet sixteen, and those
two rosters can certainly go toe to toe and I'm
obviously super fascinated by the East Region, right like Duke
and Saint John's Michigan State Yukon. Pray for the refs
because the refs that have to officiate both of those
games are gonna get earful super Rick Mesino, Domnzo and
Dan Early.
Speaker 4: You know, going back to the Texas Purdue matchup and
reflecting on BYU season, it reminds me of the sixth
seed that be what you pulled in twenty twenty one
where they had to face either Michigan State or Ula.
Ucla got to win over Michigan State. Both those teams
are really good teams. Ucla just and then went on
a run all the way to the Final four before losing.
I wanted to I want to say to Gonzaga that year,
is this another eleven seed to just that all of
a sudden's gonna go on a tear and upset Purdue.
Is there a possibility there the way to form the
fashion they're playing and how Sean Miller's coaching up this crew.
Speaker 9: Right now it's in play. I don't think it's likely.
I think that Texas is actually a pretty rough matchup
for Purdue. Like Purdue is so good in draft attacking
draft coverage, and Braden Smith and Trey Cooff and ren
are just like elite against that defensive coverage and that's
what Texas plays. So I do think that there's avenues
for Purdue to win that one. It's an uphill climb,
certainly for Texas. But at the same time, like if
you talk to rival coaches in the SEC, like they
would say, like, hey, Florida is the most talented team
and the best team in our league, but Texas is
the scariest because like they just have like this different
gear that they can get to. And I think lately,
like Jordan Pope's been playing like a really really good player,
like Tremon Mark is obviously really scary. It can go
off at any given moment. Dalen Swain can. It's like
one of the elite drivers of the basketball this year,
Like from a points for possessions perspective, he's been elite
in that category. But I think the real X factor
for them is in Matis lookaitis like his emergence from
like a good mid major transfer into like a really
good big twelve big man has certainly or SEC big man.
Sorry that Texas is not in the Big twelve anymore.
It's certainly definitely changed the calculus for that Texas group.
But I still think they go down this week. I
just I think pretty was a tough matchup for them
across the board. In this Texas defense that we know
has real issues. I think they could get carved by
the best offense in college basketball, a team I'm.
Speaker 3: Kind of rooting for.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe it's nostalgia for me because I grew
up in there. I'm only you know, I'm forty three,
but kind of for Saint John's to upset Duke as well.
We've seen the best, and we seen the worst, and
the best of Duke am was, you know, lost one
to Sienos in that one sixteen matchup, and then they
showed their best face versus TCU destroying.
Speaker 3: The horn Frogs.
Speaker 4: What type of team are were going to see from
from Duke versus Saint John's. Do you think that's an
they should? That be an upset alert game.
Speaker 9: It's certainly an upset alert game because I don't think
the talent level between Saint John's and Duke is all
that far. Like it's pretty talented rosters like Zuby. Edge
of four is a all American candidate Bryce Hopkins is
playing like an all Big East type of guy. Dylan
Mitchell is a freaky wing. They have guards that can
really go right, like if you and Jackson play as well,
Like he was a top ten recruit in the transfer
portal and a top ten recruit in high school for
a reason, So it really wouldn't be a surprise if
Saint John's one. I do kind of feel like this
one all of Like how I was kind of singing
college basketball praises for all of these like beautifully aesthetic
games in the first weekend. Saint John's Duke is not
going to be that. In my opinion, I think this
one could be like a football game on the basketball
club for both of these just really aggressive big dudes
are just hitting each other for forty minutes, so it's
gonna be a very very physical game. I think that
both these teams guard each other really well, and just
the avalanche of like who read that out rebounds the
other I think is actually going to tilt the scales
in this one because Duke is so good at limiting
the boards, and if you can keep Saint John's off
the offensive glass, you certainly have a chance to beat them,
like that's Saint John's team got six threes from Bryce Hopkins, right, Like,
that's the most of his career. I think mostly had
ever made a game. Four was three. They got eleven
offensive rebounds against Kansas. They shot thirty. You know, they
made eleven threes, which is a great thing for them,
and they still only managed sixty seven points and managed
under like under a point for possession, So like, it's
a limited offense. And I think against a team like Duke,
if you can keep them off the offensive glass and
just guard them, well, I think Duke could could keep
them under seventy points. And in that scenario, I have
a hard time seeing the Blue Devils lose.
Speaker 4: One of the elements that I'm always intrigued by is
the coaching carousel during March Madness. And you know, Herebert
Davis out at UNC. The easy thing to do, the
low hanging fruit thing to do, the sexy thing to
do for these eighties is to just go out and
find somebody that's currently in the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: I've been looking over at like, you know, kind of
a younger coach Otselberger, like that could be an option.
Speaker 3: Do you think, you know, where do they target, who
do they target?
Speaker 4: They try to go out and get Patino right because
of everything that he's done, and try to pay him
a bag because he's still got vigor and vim and
still high energy. Here his halftime speeches and he gets
after it. Oh so Alziburger at Iowa State, he's always overachieving.
Speaker 3: I think Mark Pope said.
Speaker 4: He could go pick up, like, you know, five guys
from home depot and create like a top twenty five
defense or something like that with his coaching ability. Anyway,
give me your thoughts on that vacancy and where they're
gonna turn to.
Speaker 9: It's it's drastic. It really has a chance to kind
of change the landscape in college basketball because the ripple
effects are huge. So I think the biggest thames you
look at right now are Billy Donovan, who's at the Bulls.
I think there's a really good chance that Billy Donovan
could leave the Bulls either in the middle of the
season or by the end of the season. He'd have
no buyout for Carolina to pay, and Carolina could be
a really attractive spot. I think people look at him
and be like, well, you know, if you want to
come back to this Arab college basketball. I'd argue this
Arab college basketball is easier for Billy Donovan to come
back and coach at right. It's more transactional than ever.
You're not spending three years chasing kids down on the
recruiting trail and trying to know everybody, right, like it's
the zooms, here's our pitch, here's the money, here's the role.
Do you want to play here? And like so I
feel like that actually might be easier for him to
get on board with something like that. So he's certainly
their top name on the board right now. But there's
some big names too that they're looking at. Tommy Lloyd
from Arizona, tj Ossselberger at Iowa State, Dusty May at Michigan.
Those would be the three names I'd also keep an
eye on if those four don't coalesce, like I think
Otzenberger would actually do a really good job there. But
say those four don't come through, I think then you're
kind of looking at a crop of names that would
probably include like a Mark Byington at Vanderbilt, who's done
a great job everywhere he's been. But I just have
a hard time seeing like North Carolina off with a
job to t J Olzilberger him saying no, right, and
we know he's one of the best coaches in college
basket When if that happened, I think Carolina would feel
pretty good about its upside in future.
Speaker 4: I just wonder, is is TJ refined enough? Is he
dapper enough? Is he white collar enough for UNC?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? He seems pretty gritty, pretty
blue collar, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And it rough around the edges around them UNC, you know,
tar heeled donors.
Speaker 9: I totally agree with you. That's exactly what I was
thinking as well, too, because, like if you've read about
t J. Alsenberg, he wakes up at four fifty nine
every morning because he wants to have his idea that
he got up before or five.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 9: He's militaristic in the way that his programs run like
it's very like by the book, and we're all together
in this. It's almost like boot camp esque, right. I
think his dad was in the army, so there's.
Speaker 3: Like no entitlement, no entitlement. We don't bring in entitlement.
Speaker 9: Exactly, and so it's a it's a different thing. And
you could argue that North Carolina needs change, they need
something different like that. Would everybody be on board with it?
I think that's the question, and it's a fair one,
right where whereas like like let's just call it spada staate,
Like if Kansas opened up, I could see Ozolberger looking
at that Kansas job being more attractive to Kansas and
Carolina Like that just is what it is. But yeah,
it's it's really those dynamics and these coaching carousels are
so fascinating and the ripple effects are obvious because it's
just it has a chance to impact the portal, impact
the coaching carousel, impact who's available, like money is going
to be nuts, like and and I was kind of
geared up for a quiet coaching carousel and Carolina and
maybe Kansas has certainly gone a lot to change that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Uh, if you had to put money on it right now,
who wins the nati are ye leena in u of
a yoleen in Michigan? Is there going to be an
upset that you're willing to put your name on We
won't quote you.
Speaker 3: We're not going to put it in quotes.
Speaker 9: Okay, Well thanks for not thanks for not quoting that
but I've gone with Arizona for a while and I'm
I'm just gonna lean with it, you know. I think
the reason why is I'm just in on skilled size
and the pure ros size that that whole team has.
It's just really hard to account for it. And here's
the other thing too, Braden Burry's is playing not like
a good guard, He's playing like a great guard. And
so I think when you add him to the mix
alongside you know, you know, just the steadiness of Jaden
Bradley and just their elite defenders at every position, that
gives me the slight edge. But Arizona Michigan, I'm telling
you that feels like the two best teams, and I
don't know how that game is gonna go. Arizona has
the best backcourt. I would say Michigan has a slightly
better front court. Their coaching is even, their benches kind
of even. So I give Arizona the slightest nod there.
But there's also part of me that wonders that, like, hey,
if the winner of that Arizona Michigan game, like, is
there a chance they're just buddied or bloodied and battered
and bruised after that forty minute game, Like if they're
a little bit, they just don't have enough in the
tank for that following Monday against whoever. So the door
is certainly opened for maybe in Illinois or a Houston
or Duke or something like that. But I'll ride with
Arizona for here on out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, you know, we're in Big twelve country, right,
I was hoping maybe you they Houston match up in
the Natty. I thought that could you know, all the
Big Twelve acolytes advocates, they just want to get that
confirmation by so that the Big twelve was and is
the best conference in America, even though they only got
eight seeds and the SEC got ten.
Speaker 3: Tell me how that happened.
Speaker 9: I think it's just more top heavy, right, Like, I
think it's pretty clear the top of the Big Twelve
is on a different tier than a lot of the leagues, right.
I think them in the Big Ten are the top
two leagues for me this year. Like, I don't. I
didn't see the SEC on that caliber. I know they
were number one on Keen Pond, but I just the
eye test was not the same. You know, there's a
lot of teams in that league that did not play
defense or and in the Big twelve, like it's way
better scouted. In the Big ten, it's way better scouted.
So for me, it's a Big ten or Big twelve conversation.
I think we'll let that play out on the floor
if Arizona and Michigan go ahead to head in the
final four.
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