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Speaker 3: introduce yourself to our audience.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm Angela. I live in Northeast Georgia. I'm
Speaker 1: originally from Ohio, Northeast Ohio. I'm mayor to my man
Speaker 1: for thirty eight years this year wow. Yeah. And we
Speaker 1: both served in the Army in the eighties. I did
Speaker 1: two years and my husband did three years. He was
Speaker 1: a paratrooper and I did admin. Yeah. And we have
Speaker 1: three grown children, two grand babies. I work at home
Speaker 1: on a horse garm. I do grounds keeping here. I did.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a family of fourteen George. My
Speaker 1: parents had twelve kids.
Speaker 3: My goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a twin to a boy, so that's kind
Speaker 1: of cool. And then we homeschooled our girls for nine
Speaker 1: years until my parents had to come and live with us,
Speaker 1: and then we let them go to public school, or
Speaker 1: they did go to public school. I kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to homeschool them the whole way through, but it just
Speaker 1: didn't work out for that time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so a little bit of were you at Bragg?
Speaker 1: I was at Fort Jackson.
Speaker 3: Oh South Carolina. Okay, Yeah, a lot of basic training
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: My permanent station, though, I got sent to Biloxi, the
Speaker 1: Keithler Air Force Base, so I worked as in the admin.
Speaker 1: We did the soldiers that came there for schooling, We
Speaker 1: did the processing of them.
Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah. The eighties, that's when I was just getting
Speaker 3: into the military. Eighty seven July eighty Seven's when I
Speaker 3: got to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri for basic Okay. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went in eighty six and got out in
Speaker 1: eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Wow, it seems like yesterday, but it was a lifetime ago.
Speaker 3: Into crazy how fast.
Speaker 1: Time gross it sure is? Ye?
Speaker 3: Well, well, thank you and your husband for your service,
Speaker 3: and let's get a little bit into your journey to
Speaker 3: the truth. At what part of your life did you
Speaker 3: start to notice things weren't as we were told.
Speaker 1: Well, George, it was pretty much the twenty twenty election
Speaker 1: when I first started to get angry about voting, and
Speaker 1: you know, I just knew there was something wrong there.
Speaker 1: And then into twenty twenty one, I found out from
Speaker 1: a friend about what happened with Robby Zacharias and all
Speaker 1: that scandal. I listened to him a lot, kind of
Speaker 1: like I listened to you now, but just finding out
Speaker 1: what happened with him was really hurtful, and that kind
Speaker 1: of led me down searching, you know, researching other things,
Speaker 1: and somehow I got hooked up with the Fall of
Speaker 1: the Cabal series. I can't quite remember how I came across,
Speaker 1: but that just threw me into like, what in the
Speaker 1: world is going on? So there's a lot in that series.
Speaker 1: I think you've said before that you've watched it.
Speaker 3: George, Yeah, that was also. I think I came across
Speaker 3: it while there was so much time on our hands
Speaker 3: in the spring of twenty twenty. And it's crazy how
Speaker 3: I can't remember her name. Her name is something like
Speaker 3: oaster Guard. Her last name, yeah, Janet. I think her
Speaker 3: name is Janet exactly. And she passed I think in
Speaker 3: the fall of last year. Yeah, yeap, which again all
Speaker 3: of these truthers seemed to have. She wasn't very old.
Speaker 3: I think she was in her mid fifties. And again
Speaker 3: it's I don't I've never met her, I don't know
Speaker 3: her surroundings, but I do find these things interesting. And
Speaker 3: the other thing I do find interesting is you mentioned
Speaker 3: Rabbi Sacharias and what a story from you know, when
Speaker 3: he was a teenager he actually tried to take his
Speaker 3: life and he ended up being one of the bigger
Speaker 3: evangelical ministers. And I guess you would say North America
Speaker 3: because I think he spent a lot of time in
Speaker 3: Canada as well. And then he passed right after COVID
Speaker 3: kicked off.
Speaker 1: Right, I think so. Yeah. And it's odd that I
Speaker 1: don't know if anything about him came out before his death,
Speaker 1: But it's just odd that it took that long.
Speaker 3: I always and listen if these things did happen, you know,
Speaker 3: it's terrible, but it is interesting when these type of
Speaker 3: allegations come out after a person passes, and they don't
Speaker 3: have the right to defend themselves. And unfortunately, we do
Speaker 3: live in a time now where people are quick to
Speaker 3: make unsubstantiated allegations. I'm not saying that this is the
Speaker 3: case here, but to me, it just does. The timing
Speaker 3: was kind of interesting, to say the least.
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, and then COVID along with that. You know,
Speaker 1: I've always been leary of even the flu vaccine, you know,
Speaker 1: and I always tell my husband, you what a perfect
Speaker 1: opportunity for you know, Paris to get people through that.
Speaker 1: You know, he'd brush it off, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I would too. Actually, I just never got them. But
Speaker 1: you know how much faith we put in the medical
Speaker 1: you know, process is just amazing.
Speaker 3: Really, it's blind faith, is what it is to the
Speaker 3: pharmaceutical type of the industry. And you were in the military.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, but we got those
Speaker 3: air vaccines, the air guns, Yeah, the back eighty seven.
Speaker 3: We lined up and they just pow pow pow. And uh,
Speaker 3: they even tell you when you get your flu vaccine,
Speaker 3: you'll probably be sick for a day or two. And
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, if I'm perfectly healthy, why aren't you giving
Speaker 3: something to me that's going to make me sick? But
Speaker 3: we just now, I mean, we're in the military, and
Speaker 3: we didn't have much of a choice. But even going forward,
Speaker 3: you know, we know that that is something that is
Speaker 3: going to make us sick. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: I know I've used this analogy to death. But if
Speaker 3: someone hands us a drink and just tells us to
Speaker 3: drink it, and we ask them what's inside of it,
Speaker 3: and they won't tell us, we're not going to drink it.
Speaker 3: So why don't we use the same thought process with vaccines?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't do we I'm thankful that I did.
Speaker 1: You know, it just brought me to a larger understanding
Speaker 1: of you know, don't get the jab, you know, And
Speaker 1: I tried so hard to think courage my family. My
Speaker 1: one daughter within the military, so she, you know, she
Speaker 1: had to get it to be able to stay in.
Speaker 1: My husband got them. There was only one of my
Speaker 1: daughters that didn't get them. But I'm just praying over
Speaker 1: you know, their body, that God would do healing in
Speaker 1: them and help them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say during that time where I was
Speaker 1: starting the research phase, I came across the flatter map,
Speaker 1: you know, the Gleasons and George. When I saw it,
Speaker 1: I was like it just clicked. I'm like, it makes
Speaker 1: so much sense that that's the way it is, you know,
Speaker 1: so much more sense than a globe.
Speaker 3: I think every single one of us, at some point
Speaker 3: in our life when we were in school, saw the
Speaker 3: globe and thought, this doesn't really make sense. But it's
Speaker 3: one of those things. You know, this guy has been
Speaker 3: in school for four years. He must know what he's
Speaker 3: talking about. We compartmentalize it and and move on. But
Speaker 3: all the people in our community, they've always had that
Speaker 3: moment where it's like, you know, as deceitful as we
Speaker 3: know where government is. And that's what I tell people
Speaker 3: who were like full blown truthers except flat Earth. I
Speaker 3: always tell them, if you think they're lying about everything,
Speaker 3: except we're on a ball that is spinning, hurtling through
Speaker 3: space at x thousands of miles per hour. I mean, really, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the And I get it because we were all
Speaker 3: on the other side as well. And I'm sure yourself,
Speaker 3: like myself, trying to get people to even take two
Speaker 3: minutes to listen to our if you want to call
Speaker 3: it a pitch about flat Earth or biblical cosmology, very
Speaker 3: hard to get their attention just for even a minute
Speaker 3: or two.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I was thankful though, in those beginning months
Speaker 1: that the Lord did bring a few of my friends
Speaker 1: into my life that also believe it. And that was
Speaker 1: so encouraging because at first, George, I thought I was
Speaker 1: kind of losing it, you know, like doubting. You know,
Speaker 1: the cognitive dissonance is, you know, pretty powerful in the beginning.
Speaker 1: But having even just a few other friends was very
Speaker 1: helpful that, you know, we're very firm believers too.
Speaker 3: And were these friends like physically close to you or
Speaker 3: were these folks that maybe you had met online.
Speaker 1: Or actually one of them is a friend of my
Speaker 1: and my husband and I'm not going to go into,
Speaker 1: you know, exact details who they are. But and then
Speaker 1: a girlfriend of mine who is very close to me,
Speaker 1: we get together quite often, and she was very awake
Speaker 1: to you know, the COVID thing and in flat earth
Speaker 1: as well biblical cosmology I like to call it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. You were certainly blessed to actually have
Speaker 3: people physically close to you that you can talk to
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, and at that at that time, I was
Speaker 1: not awake to the political I went through some of
Speaker 1: my old journals and read about, you know, how I
Speaker 1: was praying for President Trump and you know, the January
Speaker 1: sixth thing, and and now I'm in a different mindset
Speaker 1: that way, where you know, it's two wings of the
Speaker 1: same bird, and I have a lot of questions there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was a big blow because I was,
Speaker 3: especially in twenty sixteen when they played us very well,
Speaker 3: the most evil woman in the world, you know, and
Speaker 3: comes this guy who was not a lifetime politician, and
Speaker 3: we just threw away behind everything. We were excited that,
Speaker 3: you know, Hillary was going to finally get arrested and
Speaker 3: we were going to finally, for the first time in
Speaker 3: my lifetime, see justice. And you know, days go by,
Speaker 3: I'm like, why is he nominating Wilbur Ross for Secretary
Speaker 3: of Commerce? He's a roth Child banker and all of
Speaker 3: these things, and I just became so disappointed. And then
Speaker 3: everything kind of fell into place. God put these truths
Speaker 3: in front of me into a certain order, and flat
Speaker 3: Earth was the last one because I really had to
Speaker 3: see for myself how much deceit was on this world,
Speaker 3: in this world before I could give flatter the moment
Speaker 3: of my time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that might be where my husband is,
Speaker 1: and I won't say a whole lot about that, but
Speaker 1: he's very patriotic George. He loves our grand babies, he's
Speaker 1: a great father, and I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: truth is too painful, So I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: what holds him back from going there.
Speaker 3: Yep. I think you hit the nail on the head
Speaker 3: with a lot of our friends and family, who were
Speaker 3: obviously wonderful people and we love him to death, but
Speaker 3: they sense something's wrong, and I think it's a maybe
Speaker 3: even a subconscious choice to not take the time out
Speaker 3: to look any further because I think they know, subconsciously
Speaker 3: or even for some people consciously, that it could wholesale
Speaker 3: changed the way they lived their life and see the world,
Speaker 3: and many people are afraid of that change.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. When I think back, George, when we
Speaker 1: were homeschooling, I can't remember if it was during the
Speaker 1: homeschool years or maybe after they'd already gone to public school,
Speaker 1: but our youngest came home one day and asked if
Speaker 1: we thought nine to eleven was an inside job, and
Speaker 1: I was horrified. I just couldn't believe she would come
Speaker 1: up with that, you know, and I didn't remember that
Speaker 1: till after I, you know, started to do some research
Speaker 1: and then and we've actually talked about these things. She's very,
Speaker 1: very open to the truth and you know, even flatter.
Speaker 1: She actually bought me some flatter T shirts.
Speaker 3: Kind of funny, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even my mom George, Okay, being from a
Speaker 1: big family, we were Catholics for many years, but my
Speaker 1: mom got saved reading scripture on her own and that
Speaker 1: was always fascinating to me. And they left the church,
Speaker 1: they quit going, and my mom was trying to find
Speaker 1: answers to questions that she had and I just remember
Speaker 1: my mom saying things about, you know, we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: trying to go to space, and I just brushed it
Speaker 1: off as you know, old fashioned thinking, and you know,
Speaker 1: she's just not in with the times and everything. But
Speaker 1: that's just really cool to me that I think my
Speaker 1: mom was a truther, and you know, I was just
Speaker 1: the rebellious teenager and you know how it is. But
Speaker 1: you know, we learn in school with the truth as
Speaker 1: mom or you know, what's happening. So I just think
Speaker 1: it's really cool that she was on a path.
Speaker 3: You know, that's amazing and it's interesting if you do
Speaker 3: talk to I'm sure you probably have seen the video
Speaker 3: with David Weiss talking to I think that lady was
Speaker 3: from Connecticut or New Hampshire. She was one hundred right
Speaker 3: around there, and she said that she was actually taught
Speaker 3: that the earth was flat. And there's a lot of
Speaker 3: evidence that point to its at some point in our
Speaker 3: timeline that they were teaching that at least in some places.
Speaker 3: Go back to the Encyclopedia Britannica from nineteen fifty eight
Speaker 3: you can find online. It talks about the firmament at
Speaker 3: x latitude being at you know, twelve thousand feet or
Speaker 3: something like that. And that's kind of been my hobby recently,
Speaker 3: is going on eBay and trying to find these old
Speaker 3: books and just to peruse them and see if there's
Speaker 3: you know, what were they thinking about and how were
Speaker 3: things taught back and before the Rockefellers really got control
Speaker 3: of all the textbooks and the education system at the
Speaker 3: turn of the century.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, that's a challenge, isn't it, George, Just trying
Speaker 1: to have discernment even in our own researching, like are
Speaker 1: things getting changed even now, like that one chapter out
Speaker 1: of that book that got removed.
Speaker 3: The Behold a Pale Horse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Such a challenge to uh, you know know what is accurate.
Speaker 3: I guess I had to go on eBay because I
Speaker 3: think you can get it on Amazon for about twenty
Speaker 3: five bucks, but it doesn't have chapter fifteen. I think
Speaker 3: I paid about seventy bucks on eBay to get the
Speaker 3: ninety three printing. Oh wow, But it was important to
Speaker 3: me to have the original book. Bill Cooper was a
Speaker 3: He was on the airwaves every night. And you know,
Speaker 3: we may not agree on everything, but that's we don't
Speaker 3: agree with our spouse sometimes that's just life. But he
Speaker 3: was out there in the forefront. And he's a prime
Speaker 3: example of what can happen if you get to you know,
Speaker 3: if you are able to communicate against the narrative to
Speaker 3: such an extent where they think you're a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I like listening to his shows or whatever
Speaker 1: he called him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Hour of the time. Yeah, if you were
Speaker 3: to be homeschooling now, with all the knowledge you have,
Speaker 3: how would you present it? So just I'll give you
Speaker 3: an example first, So my daughter's finishing up for freshman year,
Speaker 3: and we put her through a program that does teach
Speaker 3: those things. But at the same time we also say,
Speaker 3: this is what we believe. How do you think you
Speaker 3: would approach it now with the knowledge you have as
Speaker 3: far as homeschooling goes.
Speaker 1: I would probably do the same, George like, just so
Speaker 1: they're aware of what is being taught in the public school,
Speaker 1: because that's you know, what they'll face forever, you know,
Speaker 1: for their whole life. Is like I said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's information out there, and praying that God will give
Speaker 1: them the discernment to know what is true and what
Speaker 1: is not in big time with the scripture, you know,
Speaker 1: just weigh it against what God gives us in his word.
Speaker 3: That's the most important part. At the same time, it
Speaker 3: can be a frustrating part because when I try to
Speaker 3: show these things to pastors, et cetera, I not only
Speaker 3: do they just blow me off, but I've been belittled
Speaker 3: a few times, and it's very frustrating to me when
Speaker 3: I'm presenting it. This isn't like George Like sending you
Speaker 3: a link to a website or a YouTube video. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: check out this verse from the Bible. And I still
Speaker 3: get ridiculed and they come up with some random excuse
Speaker 3: and it's very frustrating for me. And I guess segueing
Speaker 3: all the way full circle back to how your family
Speaker 3: left the church. Yeah, right exactly. And do you are
Speaker 3: you a part of a church is or are you
Speaker 3: still just read the Bible from home?
Speaker 1: Yeah, George, we left a church during COVID. They were
Speaker 1: doing the whole masking and you know, go in this way,
Speaker 1: go out this way, and we love the people, but
Speaker 1: that's when we left church. And now we're doing a
Speaker 1: home church. We just meet with like three other couples
Speaker 1: and our one daughter comes with the grand babies. Her
Speaker 1: husband has to work during that time. But to me,
Speaker 1: that's church right now. We're just we get together, we
Speaker 1: do life together. They're another horse farm that's right near us.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's enough. Like I'm in scripture on
Speaker 1: my own most stage, and one thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: say was about the senses, you know, talking about homeschooling.
Speaker 1: I have this book in my hand, one hundred troops
Speaker 1: that the Earth is not a globe, and on the
Speaker 1: back it says, if man uses the senses which God
Speaker 1: has given him, he gains knowledge if he uses them,
Speaker 1: not he remains ignorant. And that's a quote by William Carpenter.
Speaker 1: I think that's his name, W M.
Speaker 3: Carpenter, Yeah, William Carpenter. And that book was written in
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what a big thing to be able to
Speaker 1: teach with, you know, is to just use our senses,
Speaker 1: do our own experiment. You know, what is God showing
Speaker 1: us and what he created.
Speaker 3: I asked this question last night and I want to
Speaker 3: ask you as well. And it's kind of a loaded
Speaker 3: question and there's probably not an answer. But if we
Speaker 3: are to really make a difference and to wake people up,
Speaker 3: like and they live, they blew up the little satellite
Speaker 3: and everybody woke up, is there a way that we
Speaker 3: could make significant progress? I believe a we have to
Speaker 3: do it through Christ, right, because in order to change society,
Speaker 3: we have to have a society that has a moral
Speaker 3: compass to a certain extent, and I feel like we've
Speaker 3: lost our way in many aspects on what things are
Speaker 3: considered important in life. I think to such an extent
Speaker 3: that people don't even understand the difference between what a
Speaker 3: want and a need is. But how can we garner
Speaker 3: the attention of the masses and get these messages across.
Speaker 1: My husband says, sometimes, how do you eat an elephant?
Speaker 1: One small bite at a time? I think that's what
Speaker 1: he says.
Speaker 3: That's perfect analogy, you know, just.
Speaker 1: As God gives us the opportunities, you know, I this
Speaker 1: is what I do is if I'm led to say something,
Speaker 1: I'll say it. And there's you know, there's some people
Speaker 1: that I I don't feel it's healthy to say anything
Speaker 1: to do yet because they're so maybe fragile, I guess,
Speaker 1: and like I said, even with my husband where it's
Speaker 1: just too much. You know, you know when you should
Speaker 1: say something and when you shouldn't. I guess typically, And
Speaker 1: that is a big question, George, I often ask the Lord,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do with this?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It is. It's challenging to know.
Speaker 3: It is, and I think that's the right thing to do,
Speaker 3: is to pray for discernment. Absolutely, and your husband's analogy there,
Speaker 3: how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time?
Speaker 3: That's that is spot on and as passionate as many
Speaker 3: of us become as truth tellers, right, I learned very
Speaker 3: quickly that not everyone is ready for not just this information,
Speaker 3: but like you know, you and I and your husband
Speaker 3: were all military.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 3: When I found out the truth of nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: I was devastated. When I found out the truth about
Speaker 3: flat Earth, I felt a fool right, I felt I
Speaker 3: was foolish, But you know nine to eleven, I felt
Speaker 3: betrayed different types of things. And and when you said
Speaker 3: your husband being very patriotic, I lost a couple of
Speaker 3: friends because I acknowledged the truth about nine to eleven
Speaker 3: that how could I and I try to tell people
Speaker 3: the truth is the truth, no matter how bitter it is.
Speaker 3: All right, this isn't my truth, it is the truth.
Speaker 3: And if you think, you know, a guy in a
Speaker 3: cave on dialysis did all of this stuff, and a
Speaker 3: guy who couldn't fly a single engine CESNA pulled that
Speaker 3: stunt into the Pentagon, then you have next level cognitive distance.
Speaker 3: But that's really what it is. You know, my friends
Speaker 3: spent twenty years in the military. They don't want that
Speaker 3: tainted under the fact that we weren't really fighting the
Speaker 3: true bad guys for all of those years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is devastating on so many levels in all
Speaker 1: those areas, you know, military, the education, are medical and
Speaker 1: even our financial you know, all of it being infiltrated
Speaker 1: by the enemy, you know, making war against us on
Speaker 1: all fronts.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, one hundred percent. I've had a few people mentioned
Speaker 3: how they found my podcast, and last night edited an
Speaker 3: interview and had a very really interesting conversation how he
Speaker 3: came upon my podcast? How did you find the flatterth Files?
Speaker 1: I think that I was just thirteen on my podcast,
Speaker 1: like I have Spotify and I have another one that
Speaker 1: I just some regular podcast one and I think I
Speaker 1: just typed in flatter and I'm not a hundred I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent on that, George, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: I found it.
Speaker 3: At what point in the journey? How long had you
Speaker 3: been kind of awake to Flatter Earth? Was it after,
Speaker 3: you know, between the time you figured out flatter at
Speaker 3: and the time that you found the podcast?
Speaker 1: I think maybe a year or less.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so you had been a little seasoned at
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been yeah, yeah, it could have
Speaker 1: been like six months or so. I tried to find
Speaker 1: it in my journal, because I'm sure I probably wrote
Speaker 1: it down, but yeah, I couldn't find I did what
Speaker 1: I'm caught up I listened to them. I watched every
Speaker 1: day to see when a new one comes out.
Speaker 3: Wow, you caught up on all two hundred huh ye,
Speaker 3: holy col Well, thank you. I appreciate that. And as
Speaker 3: your flat Earth journey kicked off, what were let's talk
Speaker 3: about the silver bullets. What were some of the pieces
Speaker 3: of evidence that were overwhelming to you to leading that
Speaker 3: we weren't on a spinning ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I said about the map, George, when I
Speaker 1: saw it the way I did in the Antarctica, is
Speaker 1: that ice ball around the you know, the entire birth
Speaker 1: that was one of them. Just seeing it in a
Speaker 1: new way, like that scripture, you know, seeing that in
Speaker 1: the very first chapter in Genesis about the firmament, and
Speaker 1: other other scriptures too. In history, you know how the
Speaker 1: other cultures had the same you know cosmology idea, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like how you see yeah.
Speaker 3: The Nordics, the Egyptians, all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. And water always being level and needing
Speaker 1: a container. I know these are repeated all the time, George,
Speaker 1: but they really do make sense. But the and you
Speaker 1: know what I thought about, if you had a glow,
Speaker 1: if the Earth was a globe, you would have specific
Speaker 1: points on that globe where there was the curve, and
Speaker 1: you'd be able to you know, point them out, and
Speaker 1: you know, know when you're in a ship or something
Speaker 1: that okay, we're about to get to that point of
Speaker 1: the curve and and you don't have that.
Speaker 3: I think if I can eject for just one second,
Speaker 3: I think that's a very important thing that doesn't get
Speaker 3: talked about enough. If the Earth was curved, it would
Speaker 3: be curved at specific points, right, especially if we're told
Speaker 3: it's kind of like a pair where exactly is that?
Speaker 3: Because they have all the other dimensions and the speeds
Speaker 3: and the axis, why don't we have that information?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, that's a good one. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: so excited when I you know, just knowing that butterflies
Speaker 1: can fly against that gravity that's out there and burd
Speaker 1: you know, birds too. It's just it's beautiful the way
Speaker 1: God created our our earth and everything in it, and
Speaker 1: even dandelions, you know when they feed out. I bought
Speaker 1: a picture of sandy lions that are seated out because
Speaker 1: you know the way that you can blow on them
Speaker 1: and it just goes into the air against that gravity.
Speaker 3: That that's exactly what an amazing point. Yet the other morning,
Speaker 3: we were out doing some garden work and we saw
Speaker 3: the dandelions and we went back out at night about
Speaker 3: seven point thirty to water before you know, as the
Speaker 3: sun was going down, they had turned just during the day,
Speaker 3: from full morning to night, everything went from yellow to seated.
Speaker 3: And my daughter went over, grabbed a couple and blew them.
Speaker 3: And I didn't that didn't even click with me, like
Speaker 3: it Why didn't it just go straight to the.
Speaker 1: Ground, right, Yeah, exactly?
Speaker 3: She floated and h And the clouds is a big
Speaker 3: one that is really overlooked as well. If we're truly
Speaker 3: spinning and flying, we wouldn't have clouds. They'd be blown away, right.
Speaker 1: But you know, we aren't moving.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And when we try to convey these thoughts to people,
Speaker 3: we're the ones who were looked at like we have
Speaker 3: cognitive issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was my next one was that we
Speaker 1: aren't moving or spinning. And that was one I always
Speaker 1: questioned as a kid, you know, looking up at the
Speaker 1: sun in the sky, it's not we're not flying past it.
Speaker 1: It's the one that's moving.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And in the constellations too, being the same all
Speaker 1: the time. I love the song by Ellie Hulkom. It's
Speaker 1: called Constellations. It's a really beautiful song. You should put
Speaker 1: that in the show.
Speaker 3: Notes Ellie Hocum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one I heard in the really at
Speaker 1: the beginning of my awakening, and it would just put
Speaker 1: me in tears.
Speaker 3: Oh that's uh yeah, that's kind of a new song
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right when I woke up. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm not familiar with that. I'll have to give
Speaker 3: it a listen when we're done.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then another one, George that sixteen Emergency Landings. I
Speaker 1: got that book. That's really really excellent. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've read that or not.
Speaker 3: I have, and I'm so glad that you were able
Speaker 3: to get in the form of a book because it
Speaker 3: was for sale for a while and then it was
Speaker 3: kind of off the market for a bit and the
Speaker 3: PDF was available. But what a great book, and you
Speaker 3: talk about one of the great silver bullets. Eddie Allen
Speaker 3: car is his name. He's also known as Flat Earth
Speaker 3: Banjo on YouTube. He puts us so much time and effort.
Speaker 3: He puts out a video almost every other day. He
Speaker 3: takes a lot of time he'll search like TikTok and
Speaker 3: he'll find the greatest videos that people made that day
Speaker 3: talking about clues to flat Earth, and he'll encompass them together,
Speaker 3: and then on Sunday nights he does a live show.
Speaker 3: I need to get in touch with him because he's
Speaker 3: a follower of Christ as well. And he did a
Speaker 3: good job kind of picking apart quote unquote the final experiment,
Speaker 3: And of course they were the ones who decided it
Speaker 3: was final, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: From the beginning, I was like, how can that possibly
Speaker 1: be the final experiment?
Speaker 5: Come on, guys, especially to the people who were involved
Speaker 5: that had been a part of the quote unquote flat
Speaker 5: Earth community for so long.
Speaker 3: That still doesn't explain gravity. It doesn't explain water finding
Speaker 3: its level. And that's like if you spend all this
Speaker 3: time on it and all of a sudden, because of
Speaker 3: one thing, you're going to just toss out all the
Speaker 3: other hundred clues. Something's not adding.
Speaker 1: Up here, right. Yeah, And George, I've done a lot
Speaker 1: of flying, and I've never felt I've never flown upside down.
Speaker 3: No, I said, if you really want to be have
Speaker 3: your mind all turned upside down, just picture somebody parachuting
Speaker 3: in Australia. How does that work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yep?
Speaker 3: Are they jumping up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know, we laugh now and I
Speaker 1: get it. You know, we were all there. So it
Speaker 1: is amazing though, how silly it is once you really
Speaker 1: look at it, it is and yeah, and then never
Speaker 1: seeing a real picture or photograph of the Earth from
Speaker 1: what they call space, you know, all we have is
Speaker 1: that one fake you know, cgi made picture you.
Speaker 3: Had the marble, the blue Marble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a hard one for me, just realizing
Speaker 1: how NASA is just totally full of it.
Speaker 3: Yep. But it's interesting when you think about it. They
Speaker 3: are so subtle and smart about how they reinforced the
Speaker 3: globe and the iPhone was one of them. Everybody, I mean,
Speaker 3: nobody said, look, it's a picture of Earth. It's just
Speaker 3: every time you pulled out your phone and looked at it,
Speaker 3: it's subconsciously reinforced that we lived on a ball, right,
Speaker 3: Very clever on their part, Yeah, for sure. That's we
Speaker 3: always say that people who were running this operation know
Speaker 3: what they're doing. It's generational and it has passed down
Speaker 3: from generation to generation and these people, these bloodlines, these
Speaker 3: families who are all involved in this that they all
Speaker 3: seem to live a generation longer than we do. You know,
Speaker 3: you see a Rockefeller or Rothchild passes at honored and
Speaker 3: three or something like that.
Speaker 1: And that was a question I had for you, George,
Speaker 1: was it's been talked about a little bit in the
Speaker 1: recent past about the day different blood type, Like when
Speaker 1: we talk about the blood lines, is it a certain
Speaker 1: blood type?
Speaker 3: That's a good point. Is it an r age negative?
Speaker 3: You know, are the Orsines, the Kennedy's, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds.
Speaker 3: Do they all have the same blood type? That would
Speaker 3: be a great question to ask if you could get
Speaker 3: that information somehow, that would answer a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: It seems like, yeah, why do.
Speaker 1: You think God gave us different blood type?
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: That's it's not my question lately, you know, wonder why
Speaker 1: we have different blood types and if you are a
Speaker 1: certain type you can't have that, you know, certain other
Speaker 1: types of blood can't work with you or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, that's interesting. It's also been said that
Speaker 3: the nephelem or a lot of people say, you know,
Speaker 3: the bloodlines of the families with the bloodline they have,
Speaker 3: they're generally healthier than the average person and they rarely
Speaker 3: get sick.
Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, I heard that on I think yesterday's podcast
Speaker 1: that one. I think Dan said he didn't hardly ever
Speaker 1: get sick.
Speaker 3: Yep. And I think it's our it was our H negative.
Speaker 1: Right, possibly, I'm not one hundred percent on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's a lot of YouTube videos. If
Speaker 3: you just go to YouTube and put in rh negative,
Speaker 3: you know everything, even the ancient aliens they have one
Speaker 3: on on OURH negative. There's a lot of investigative podcasting
Speaker 3: into that, and that is something that is would be
Speaker 3: interesting if we had the tools to find out that information.
Speaker 3: If if you know, the Orsinis and the Rockefellers, Rothschilds
Speaker 3: and all these people, if they were all the same
Speaker 3: blood type.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a good, a good rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe I'll send the rock the roth Child's an
Speaker 3: email and see if they get backed.
Speaker 1: That'd be funny. Hey, George, welcome some like. I have
Speaker 1: a question about different podcasts, and you know, how do
Speaker 1: they do? You think they have to let so many
Speaker 1: keep going and and not silence them.
Speaker 3: That's a good question because I have two podcasts. One
Speaker 3: people can never find but this one, people have no
Speaker 3: problem finding it. I think, you know, they have their
Speaker 3: rules of disclosure, and in this particular case, it is
Speaker 3: such a big lie that they have to allow the disclosure.
Speaker 3: And I think because it's such a big lie and
Speaker 3: so like they've been working on it for so long,
Speaker 3: they think even that if a few people wake up
Speaker 3: they control the media and everything else, that it's never
Speaker 3: going to get more to around five percent of the population.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. Another thing I'd like to talk about is
Speaker 1: the Lost History of Platter Earth. Have you watched that
Speaker 1: in entire thing?
Speaker 3: Yes? With what's his name like Erewhon or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, that's very powerful.
Speaker 3: It is very powerful. Quite an impressive voice as well, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got me thinking on a lot of things
Speaker 1: about the water and the frequencies and how the the
Speaker 1: entire earth was a power is Do I understand that
Speaker 1: right in that video?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think Tesla was one of the people
Speaker 3: who had it figured out. That's why he was discredited
Speaker 3: and died penniless. And Einstein probably stole eighty percent of
Speaker 3: Tesla's inventions. Because you know, the USPTO. I've interacted with
Speaker 3: them a couple of times. I can see how easily
Speaker 3: that that can be rigged. How they decline a patent
Speaker 3: and then whoever they have, you know, with the powers
Speaker 3: that be, take that over and they run with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's there's a lot of you know, when
Speaker 3: they talk about the ancient architecture, they think that all
Speaker 3: those old church steeples was a way to get these frequencies,
Speaker 3: and they had healing powers. And the bells they have
Speaker 3: vibrations if they build it to a certain you know,
Speaker 3: spec that it had healing powers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's intriguing. Do you think that the mud floods
Speaker 1: that he talks about more from a different flood than
Speaker 1: Noah's flood?
Speaker 3: No, I think it was probably Noah's flood, But I
Speaker 3: think there was something to Tataria, And I think the
Speaker 3: biggest evidence to that is the Great Wall of China,
Speaker 3: just because the defensive positions were backwards, they were facing China,
Speaker 3: not you know, the other way around. So I think
Speaker 3: much of our history is folklore, or like much of
Speaker 3: everything else, there's a little bit of truth to it.
Speaker 3: I've been writing a story on my substack about the
Speaker 3: founding Father's story. I think it makes perfect sense that
Speaker 3: you had these thirteen colonies that wanted individual liberties got
Speaker 3: hijacked by another group of people under the guise of
Speaker 3: freedom and security, just like the Patriot Acts. You know,
Speaker 3: we're going to save you guys. Things are dangerous. You
Speaker 3: see what just happened in New York. So yeah, we'll
Speaker 3: take a little bit of your freedoms away, but this
Speaker 3: will never happen again. And look where we're at now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you say that would be on substack, George.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote part one about two months ago and
Speaker 3: part two should be coming out here. Surely. It's just
Speaker 3: kind of examining the founding Father's story because you know, we,
Speaker 3: especially in the truth community, we talk so much about
Speaker 3: Freemasons and we know their history, and once you get
Speaker 3: to that thirty second and thirty third degree, they don't
Speaker 3: worship the same god as us. Well, George Washington was
Speaker 3: the thirty third degree Freemason, and on his little bust
Speaker 3: it said free Mason and first President. So it's interesting
Speaker 3: that he put free Mason before President. And even the
Speaker 3: old pictures of him, he was always on a black
Speaker 3: and white tile, which indicates free Mason. Read the Inversion
Speaker 3: and the Hidden Hand. A lot of his pictures he
Speaker 3: has his hand tucked inside of his jacket. So, you know,
Speaker 3: if you really look through the lens of things, it
Speaker 3: goes to the if you need a hero, we will
Speaker 3: provide them with one. And if you look at a
Speaker 3: lot of the colonial's doctrines, the colonists, you know, the
Speaker 3: thirteen original colonies before seventeen seventy six, like Maryland, Jesuits
Speaker 3: were not allowed to be lawyers or state reps, or
Speaker 3: to hold any position like that in the state. They
Speaker 3: ran things by the Bible from you know, the early
Speaker 3: sixteen hundreds through the seventeen hundreds. They created laws based
Speaker 3: on the Bible. And then that's one thing that people
Speaker 3: really should consider. Right, we are very quick, like we said,
Speaker 3: we're patriotic, and we're quick to cite the Constitution and
Speaker 3: our Bill of Rights. So everybody has the right to
Speaker 3: worship as they do. So what happens, what happened like
Speaker 3: six years ago, this school started a Satan worshiping club
Speaker 3: and everybody through their hands up. Well, that's because you
Speaker 3: allowed the laws by man to usurp the laws of God.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, did you say Jesuits were at one time
Speaker 1: a good group?
Speaker 3: Were they ever a good group, not since the very
Speaker 3: first one, and I can't think of his name. It's
Speaker 3: escaped in me.
Speaker 1: Is it a branch of Freemasonry or is it a
Speaker 1: different No, it is.
Speaker 3: The Roman Catholic they're in order of the Roman Catholic Church,
Speaker 3: the Society of Jesus. It was founded in fifteen forty,
Speaker 3: right at the same time as the Reformation happened, the
Speaker 3: Thirty Year War happened. Copernicus and Martin Luther are having
Speaker 3: this meal and you know, Martin Luther's calling him a heretic,
Speaker 3: and then you know, a year or two later, Martin
Speaker 3: Luther passes, and in fifteen forty that same time frame,
Speaker 3: seeing ignacious of loyalil, it becomes the first Jesuit And
Speaker 3: if you ever have time, go read the Jesuit Oath.
Speaker 3: It was put into Congress in like nineteen o three
Speaker 3: or something like that. A senator made he read the
Speaker 3: Jesuit Oath and he made them write it down and
Speaker 3: put it in the Congressional vault. You can still find
Speaker 3: it online in Congress dot Gov in their library and
Speaker 3: it's they will do whatever it takes to get their
Speaker 3: mission across.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are they've infiltrated universities. You know, obviously, you
Speaker 3: know the Bible said, what does the Bible say? The
Speaker 3: Bible says, you know, you shall call no man father
Speaker 3: except me, right, and they father, father, father. It's just
Speaker 3: so backwards. And then with purgatory and what was the
Speaker 3: other the confessions, and that was the whole thing that
Speaker 3: the Reformation was based on, was the ninety five thesis.
Speaker 3: And you know, people were paying for their transgressions. Right,
Speaker 3: I can just go sin and I'll put in my
Speaker 3: fifteen cents and go about my ways. And these deceit
Speaker 3: deceitful ways keep going. There's a great guy. His name
Speaker 3: is Oh, why can't I think of his name?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: He covers the Jesuits. That's that's all he does. Every
Speaker 3: week he puts out an episode and he talks about
Speaker 3: the joke. He thinks that they are the ones running
Speaker 3: the world. I believe that there are different sects that
Speaker 3: are fighting to gain control at the top, the Freemasons,
Speaker 3: the Jesuits, certainly those in Israel. I think there are
Speaker 3: several factions. But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: think they're all Luciferians, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In the interesting I thought that the other day
Speaker 1: while I was out working that even amongst the controllers,
Speaker 1: there's in fighting, you know, probably to to be the
Speaker 1: ones at the top. Possibly, Yeah, it's you.
Speaker 3: It is exactly that there is a struggle, not just
Speaker 3: like mobs, right or gangsters. Yeah, right, right, this is
Speaker 3: my turf. Right. And if you read Fritz Springmeer's Blood
Speaker 3: Bloodlines of the Illuminati, the on NASAs family and the
Speaker 3: Kennedy family are one of the thirteen and they they married,
Speaker 3: they had you know JFK Jr. And you know, we
Speaker 3: know the date that JFK was sacrificed. There's a great
Speaker 3: article the Sacrifice of the King that I read on
Speaker 3: my podcast a while ago. And then Junior was a
Speaker 3: combination of those two families, and he was obviously that
Speaker 3: wasn't just a simple plane crash.
Speaker 1: There was more than that, right, I've heard didn't William
Speaker 1: Cooper speak on that. I listened to that line. Huh,
Speaker 1: very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The rabbit holes run very deep, and it's it's interesting,
Speaker 3: even the most simplest of rabbit holes, when you go
Speaker 3: down them, you you always seem to run into another
Speaker 3: mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all connected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know this flat Earth is a big one,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad we started this podcast because it deserves
Speaker 3: its own conversation. Because I'll ask you this, since you
Speaker 3: woke up to the flat Earth, do you read the
Speaker 3: Bible differently?
Speaker 1: I do, definitely, George. I love finding, you know, those
Speaker 1: verses that when when I read them before, I would,
Speaker 1: you know, have a question like, wonder what that means?
Speaker 1: And now you know, I'm reading it and I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot more sense now. And there there
Speaker 1: will always be those, you know things. I am highly
Speaker 1: encouraged to just continue to stay humble, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm a simple woman and I love that. But I
Speaker 1: want to have that faith as a child, you know,
Speaker 1: and just let the Lord, you know, continue to show truth.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely read it differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think beforehand, when I was reading it, if
Speaker 3: there was a word I didn't recognize or understand, I
Speaker 3: just kept going. But since just the firmament, if there
Speaker 3: is a word I don't understand, I'll research, I'll go
Speaker 3: into Strong's concordance, and I'll take the time to fully
Speaker 3: understand what I'm reading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in places, I love to look up places and
Speaker 1: see where they are. You know when it talks about
Speaker 1: different places.
Speaker 3: Like biblical places like Syria and those type of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who knows what you know, I've heard that before,
Speaker 1: like where Yeah, I don't know. I'm just thinking about
Speaker 1: like where real Israel is? Is it where they say
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, like Babylon, the Garden of Eden, all those
Speaker 3: historical places in the Bible. And that's to me, that's
Speaker 3: one of the few positive things. And when we woke
Speaker 3: up the first morning, because we crossed the Berm in
Speaker 3: the evening and when the sun came up, you know,
Speaker 3: I figured it we'd be in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 3: but there was palm trees, the water. We were down
Speaker 3: by the Tigris and Euphrates, and I just thought, wow,
Speaker 3: this you can just feel the history in those type
Speaker 3: of places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in my mind, I always think it's
Speaker 1: all sand over there. And and what's funny is like,
Speaker 1: whenever I thought about Alaska in the past, I thought
Speaker 1: Igloos and Eskimos. Why do we think that? Is that
Speaker 1: what we're taught in school? I can't even remember.
Speaker 3: Yes, that that's that's what you know we get our books.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the every couple of months we'd get those.
Speaker 3: The book fair would come around and you'd get the
Speaker 3: catalog and you'd order your books and your mom would
Speaker 3: write a check and then you'd get all the books
Speaker 3: and that a lot of those books had that. Whether
Speaker 3: it was intense scholastic books, I think it was called
Speaker 3: it was, whether it was intentional propaganda or not. Those
Speaker 3: are the type of narratives that were in there. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alaska's beautiful. Have you ever been there? No?
Speaker 3: I pleaded with the army to send me there, but
Speaker 3: they sent me to Fort Hood in Stadon, Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My husband got stationed there Georgia, and that's where
Speaker 1: he found out about a Bible camp up there. And
Speaker 1: after we got married, Lee ended up going up there
Speaker 1: and working at the camp, which was beautiful, a lot
Speaker 1: different than what my mind thought it was.
Speaker 3: So he went to work at a Bible camp.
Speaker 1: Yes, what was that?
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: It was amazing. There were four different camps there, Like
Speaker 1: one was alpine camp. It was kind of on the
Speaker 1: water and we did ar tree and riflery. They had
Speaker 1: a horse camp there and then a tepee camp where
Speaker 1: the kids stayed in tpe and the other one was
Speaker 1: more of a wilderness camp where the kids spent most
Speaker 1: of their time out in the woods. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was great. We had some we have really great memories
Speaker 1: up there. We did like four different summers, that's all
Speaker 1: up there. And my husband was at Fort Richardson and
Speaker 1: he learned to fly there, George, so he had he
Speaker 1: has his pilot's license, but he's never you know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't flown for years since before we were married. But
Speaker 1: I find that just curious that, you know, even being
Speaker 1: a pilot, he he doesn't see it yet. And that's okay.
Speaker 3: You know, in time, was he a fixed wing pilot
Speaker 3: or was he a helicopter pilot?
Speaker 1: Fixed wing?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he flew Setna's.
Speaker 3: Boy flying at Wayne uh not Wayne right Richardson. I
Speaker 3: can imagine the views he had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he took me up one time, not in Alaska,
Speaker 1: but I believe it was Ohio, you know where he
Speaker 1: took me up.
Speaker 3: The other anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say beautiful country. I one.
Speaker 1: I'd love to go back there.
Speaker 3: I heard rumors about the mosquitoes.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're pretty bad. We went backpacking up there and
Speaker 1: we had to get in our tent to get away
Speaker 1: from them, you know, out at Mount mckinleony camp back there,
Speaker 1: and it was they were pretty bad there, not so
Speaker 1: bad at camp where we were. Just depends on the
Speaker 1: month and what the weather is.
Speaker 3: How awesome would it be if we could get a
Speaker 3: flat earth camp somewhere for a week and the children
Speaker 3: can come and have outdoor activities, read the Bible, and
Speaker 3: at night we can give little uh testimonials like this
Speaker 3: or you know, the PowerPoint presentations, experiments with the like
Speaker 3: the moonlight, the temperature of the moonlight. We could set
Speaker 3: up a laser on the other side of the lake,
Speaker 3: things of that nature, just to even if they don't
Speaker 3: agree to get their critical thinking skills going.
Speaker 1: What a great idea, George. Maybe God has that for you.
Speaker 3: We have a place similar to what you said. It's
Speaker 3: called Campcomuth in Maryland. It's about thirty minutes due west
Speaker 3: of us and it's right on the lake or Chesapeake
Speaker 3: or the lake I forget and growing up and still
Speaker 3: to this day they have it there. You go there
Speaker 3: for a week, they have activities. You know, they have
Speaker 3: the bunk beds and you know, one cabin for the boys,
Speaker 3: another cabin for the girls, and it was just fun
Speaker 3: activities hiking, camping, fishing, boating, and then you know, in
Speaker 3: the evening it was always singing and reading the Bible
Speaker 3: lessons like that. It was an amazing week and it
Speaker 3: was a great time for mom and dad. They got
Speaker 3: a break from us for five days, all right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The one we were at was Victory Bible Camps. If
Speaker 1: you want to look it up, it's like northeast of
Speaker 1: Palmer or yeah, northeast of Anchorage on Palmer. That is amazing,
Speaker 1: so beautiful, and we went back like two years ago
Speaker 1: to visit for their seventy fifth I think it was,
Speaker 1: and it was even more beautiful to me now, I
Speaker 1: think maybe knowing I'm not sure, it might just be
Speaker 1: that I'm older, but I saw the beauty in a
Speaker 1: different way. It really amazing.
Speaker 3: Well just right there on the Index Lake. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: these pictures are amazing, my goodness. Yeah, and I do.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think when we're older we
Speaker 3: look at things differently and we take the time to
Speaker 3: see the beauty. Although I think when we're younger we
Speaker 3: see things for what they truly are and until we
Speaker 3: go to get brainwashed.
Speaker 1: Right, I agree with that, George, we're made to be
Speaker 1: too busy too.
Speaker 3: That's a huge part of the matrix that that's why
Speaker 3: you know, the usury and going back full circle to
Speaker 3: the free energy thing. They couldn't have free energy. That's
Speaker 3: part of the thing. They have to They want us
Speaker 3: to pay for our electric bills, so you know, we
Speaker 3: have to work harder. You know, insurance, what a scam
Speaker 3: that is. I mean, you name it. We were never
Speaker 3: truly free because of the system and how it's set up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous. I was thinking how it's really a
Speaker 1: crime to charge people for what we need to live,
Speaker 1: you know, heat, water, electricity, Like you said, being free,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of ironic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give it to the Middle Eastern countries. Most
Speaker 3: of them they don't get electric bills. That's just something
Speaker 3: that it's covered for them. With that being said, it's
Speaker 3: not always unusual for them to have a power outage
Speaker 3: once a week or something like that. You know, we've
Speaker 3: lived here for four years now and I think we've
Speaker 3: had two outages. One lasted ten minutes and one lasted
Speaker 3: about an hour. So there is that happy medium. But again,
Speaker 3: if we took all the money that we sent out
Speaker 3: of this country that would pay for Probably, it's just
Speaker 3: the way the system is set up, how it's focused
Speaker 3: on the military industrial complex. If you just look at
Speaker 3: the money every year that went to Israel and Ukraine
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. But I think people
Speaker 3: would be shocked.
Speaker 1: For real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in twenty twenty two, almost a billion dollars. My goodness,
Speaker 3: Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of US feign
Speaker 3: aid since it's founding, receiving about three hundred and ten
Speaker 3: billion dollars in economic relief. Can you imagine what that
Speaker 3: could do?
Speaker 1: You know, you talk about the Fiat currency, George, and
Speaker 1: how it's really not anything anymore. So when it says
Speaker 1: we give that money, is it just like monopoly money?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I know exactly what you mean. They can create money
Speaker 3: out of nothing, and that's called banking. If we create
Speaker 3: money out of nothing, we're called counterfeiters and go to jail.
Speaker 1: Right, They check our money at the register with a
Speaker 1: little yellow marker to see if it's real. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're going to give me money, I'm going to
Speaker 1: check it too.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great idea. I'm going to do that
Speaker 3: next time they check it when they give it back
Speaker 3: on to hold it up to the light and check it.
Speaker 3: See if I get a laugh.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh, this has been a great conversation. Was there any
Speaker 3: other notes or silver bullets that you had that we
Speaker 3: hadn't touched on yet.
Speaker 1: I think I covered all my silver bullets that I
Speaker 1: had written down. Yeah, I don't have anything that way.
Speaker 1: I did want to talk to just a little bit
Speaker 1: if we had time, about that Anaquista place I went
Speaker 1: to in Gallinburg. It's a theme park And do you
Speaker 1: remember that email I sent.
Speaker 3: You about that, yeah, down in Tennessee, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, going up there is a really beautiful
Speaker 1: spot and they have great and everything, like I enjoyed
Speaker 1: that about it. But they have this theme area called
Speaker 1: Astra Lumina and you go to it at night because
Speaker 1: it's a lit up it has flashing lights. And let
Speaker 1: me let me read you this from the website. It's
Speaker 1: Astra Lumina an enchanted night walk amongst the stars and
Speaker 1: you can look that up Anakista.
Speaker 3: Yep. I actually have the YouTube video I had thumbnailed
Speaker 3: this thing. I'll put this in the show notes. Somebody
Speaker 3: walked through and took a video. It's about nine minutes long.
Speaker 3: So if people want to check out what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: I can they can pull up the video and check
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When when my husband and I went to that, I
Speaker 1: just can't say how much energy I felt there. Really,
Speaker 1: I had to run with my ears covered. I mean,
Speaker 1: he thought I was crazy, George, But I think it's intentional.
Speaker 1: It really reminded me of mind control, Like I just
Speaker 1: felt like there was evil. And if you look through
Speaker 1: their website on in that specific thing, it has a
Speaker 1: lot of odd you know, language and stuff about it.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I wonder normally these type of places have
Speaker 3: wikis on them. I'd like to see who owns the business,
Speaker 3: because I think a lot of times when you research
Speaker 3: these things, you find out that maybe not the friendliest
Speaker 3: people are behind it.
Speaker 1: But it looked like it was are you hearing me, okay, George.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're coming through love and clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked like it's called Moment Factory. I kind
Speaker 1: of did a little research on it this morning, and it,
Speaker 1: you know, reading through that, it even sounded like you
Speaker 1: don't want to go there. I'm just wanting to warn
Speaker 1: people and in the middle of the park. George, I
Speaker 1: think I told you about this. There were memorials put
Speaker 1: up to the people that lost their lives and the
Speaker 1: fire that happened there in that area of the town.
Speaker 1: And I'm not one hundred percent, but I'm thinking that
Speaker 1: park was built on the property that had burned, And
Speaker 1: so that got me to thinking about, you know, how
Speaker 1: they do the fires.
Speaker 3: Now, is this the one from like ten years ago,
Speaker 3: the Smoky Mountain wildfires, or is this something else? Yes,
Speaker 3: I believe so, Okay, yeah, I think it about fifteen
Speaker 3: people died, two hundred injured, but they said it was arson,
Speaker 3: so somebody intentionally did it. Yeah, hmm. So this Moment Factory.
Speaker 3: They even do something Conan Gray found Heaven on tour.
Speaker 3: So they do a lot of Yeah, they do a
Speaker 3: lot of things, a lot of industries that require these
Speaker 3: fancy light shows.
Speaker 1: For lack of a better turn, Yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: to me, George, it was not enjoyable at all. It
Speaker 1: was just freaky. And I'm not opposed to light you.
Speaker 1: I love lights. I love when they're calm, but the
Speaker 1: music that they played with it, in the stories that
Speaker 1: they tell you throughout the different areas that you come to.
Speaker 1: It was just very like new age and just a
Speaker 1: really bad vibe.
Speaker 3: He's also an actor. I guess the co founders, this
Speaker 3: guy Dominic Audit. He's done a lot of things in
Speaker 3: Hollywood as well, so that that's not a far reach
Speaker 3: that that you got that feeling that you did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Canadian guy from Montreal. Hmm, I'll have to take some
Speaker 3: time and researching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very interesting. I just, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's good to be on guard against things like that.
Speaker 1: And I guess it's one of those things, George, that
Speaker 1: you just have to experience it to you know, really
Speaker 1: get a feel for it.
Speaker 3: But did you mention that other people had made comments
Speaker 3: or something to the effect that it was kind of
Speaker 3: an unusual experience for them.
Speaker 1: I haven't, George. I haven't heard anybody else, like. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I would see that. It was just
Speaker 1: my own experience.
Speaker 3: What if the stars could reach us? That's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe just throw that site in the show notes
Speaker 1: and people can check it out.
Speaker 3: Yep. I've got the moment Factory, I've got the website
Speaker 3: to Anaquista, and I've got the video the walkthrough, so
Speaker 3: people can check this out Astra lumina. That's a very
Speaker 3: interesting name too. I wonder if that has any meaning. Yes,
Speaker 3: as well, I did.
Speaker 1: I did look it up, George, And there's other there
Speaker 1: were several places throughout the country that have that specific theme.
Speaker 1: ARC kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't surprise me. Remember, you know, Astra luminum meaning translate
Speaker 3: to starlights or the light of the stars. And then
Speaker 3: you know lucifer is sometimes associated with the morning star
Speaker 3: or the light bringer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And again maybe
Speaker 3: I'm reading too much into.
Speaker 2: It, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a little warning out there, yep. But
Speaker 1: really i'd really like to, you know, be on a
Speaker 1: more positive note. I don't want to sound all negative
Speaker 1: and stuff, but relating to you know, the earth and
Speaker 1: the beautiful things that God has made, I'd rather end
Speaker 1: on that kind.
Speaker 4: Of a note.
Speaker 3: No, I agree, one hundred percent. And as I mentioned before,
Speaker 3: when you pose these things to people, they're going to
Speaker 3: ask you questions that you may not have the answer to.
Speaker 3: And I always say, you know, I don't know, But
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm not cocky enough to believe that
Speaker 3: I can understand how God created everything. Science will give
Speaker 3: you an answer for everything. Nikola Tesla said that science
Speaker 3: had become just reverse math, math problems, reverse engineered, not
Speaker 3: true science, and that's what astronomy and cosmology, current day
Speaker 3: cosmology has become. It's okay to not understand God's creation
Speaker 3: and the way he created our our minds are going
Speaker 3: to be able to fully understand how.
Speaker 1: All of this works, right, Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you said, it is beautiful just how
Speaker 3: everything works in lockstep with each other. With the bees,
Speaker 3: which we pick up a week from this weekend. We're
Speaker 3: excited to get in the into the bees, how it
Speaker 3: pollinates the fish and everything else. It's just a wonderful
Speaker 3: world that we live in and we should appreciate it
Speaker 3: for how it was created. It is important to know
Speaker 3: what we are on and we're not on a spinning
Speaker 3: ball that you know, all these things that go against
Speaker 3: the Bible and what we're taught in Genesis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 3: Amen, it's it's been a great conversation, and as always,
Speaker 3: i'd like to give our guests the final word.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just want to encourage everyone to enjoy life,
Speaker 1: get outside, enjoy the sun, enjoy your family. That's one
Speaker 1: thing I'm trying to work on more is just being
Speaker 1: there and you know, experiencing the joy of the family
Speaker 1: and my friends as well, and you know, learning as
Speaker 1: much as we can, but not going crazy, like not
Speaker 1: spending so much time in the rabbit holes, and but
Speaker 1: just getting close to God too, and knowing that he's
Speaker 1: right here with us. What an honor we have to
Speaker 1: have His spirit inside of us and you know, be
Speaker 1: able to trust him and not let fear get at us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, just George, I want to thank you for your
Speaker 1: courage and just the willingness to take time in your
Speaker 1: life to let other people share their stories and experiences.
Speaker 1: And it's just really great to be able to share. Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate you coming on and sharing your story.
Speaker 3: And I'm truly lucky and blessed to be able to
Speaker 3: have this conversation once or twice a week with like
Speaker 3: minded people. I learned something new every time and it's
Speaker 3: been an absolute pleasure to spend this last ninety minutes
Speaker 3: with you. And again, Angela, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: your time in sharing your story.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, George. Thanks and God bless.
Speaker 3: God, bless you, and to our audience, God bless all
Speaker 3: of you. Thank you for your continued support and until
Speaker 3: we meet again, my friends, God bless you all. Keep
Speaker 3: your head on a swivel, and until we meet again,
Speaker 3: we will see you.
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