WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.599 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:29.359 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:30.000 the poll? 4 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:33.119 The question why. 5 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:41.119 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 6 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:48.560 truth we find. They built their tails on grafts and 7 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.280 lives on theories. 8 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.280 They stake their designed. 9 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:59.920 Put down here on this solid. 10 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.840 Grap the answer screen. 11 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:09.519 They're all around, rising break through all. 12 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.840 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 13 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:20.719 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm 14 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:23.560 your host, as always, George Hobbs, and as we record, 15 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.879 it is Tuesday morning, April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, 16 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.400 and again, I hope this message finds you well. I 17 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.200 hope you're happy and healthy. The weather here has been 18 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.840 pretty amazing the last few days. I hope you're getting 19 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:41.040 some rays from our local sun as well. Two quick notes, 20 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.760 Please stop by the new website truthornet dot com. We've 21 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:48.519 combined both of our podcasts into one website to make 22 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.840 things a little easier on me and my old age. 23 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.799 Every second that I can save certainly helps, and I 24 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:59.000 think you'll enjoy it. 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We would love to hear 36 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:44.879 your story. Let's get to today's guest. Her name is Angela, 37 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.759 and Angela if you will take a few minutes and 38 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:49.479 introduce yourself to our audience. 39 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:55.479 Okay, Yeah, I'm Angela. I live in Northeast Georgia. I'm 40 00:02:55.520 --> 00:03:01.199 originally from Ohio, Northeast Ohio. I'm mayor to my man 41 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:06.159 for thirty eight years this year wow. Yeah. And we 42 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.120 both served in the Army in the eighties. I did 43 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.759 two years and my husband did three years. He was 44 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.919 a paratrooper and I did admin. Yeah. And we have 45 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:21.319 three grown children, two grand babies. I work at home 46 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:26.879 on a horse garm. I do grounds keeping here. I did. 47 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.599 I grew up in a family of fourteen George. My 48 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:32.120 parents had twelve kids. 49 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:33.520 My goodness. 50 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.000 Yeah, I'm a twin to a boy, so that's kind 51 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:42.159 of cool. And then we homeschooled our girls for nine 52 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.560 years until my parents had to come and live with us, 53 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:49.759 and then we let them go to public school, or 54 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.280 they did go to public school. I kind of wanted 55 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.560 to homeschool them the whole way through, but it just 56 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:57.199 didn't work out for that time. 57 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:02.879 So yeah, so a little bit of were you at Bragg? 58 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.360 I was at Fort Jackson. 59 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.360 Oh South Carolina. Okay, Yeah, a lot of basic training 60 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:10.680 going on. 61 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:16.839 My permanent station, though, I got sent to Biloxi, the 62 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.920 Keithler Air Force Base, so I worked as in the admin. 63 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:26.879 We did the soldiers that came there for schooling, We 64 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:31.160 did the processing of them. 65 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.720 Nice. Yeah. The eighties, that's when I was just getting 66 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.279 into the military. Eighty seven July eighty Seven's when I 67 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:40.079 got to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri for basic Okay. Wow. 68 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:43.120 Yeah, I went in eighty six and got out in 69 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:43.839 eighty eight. 70 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:48.560 Wow, it seems like yesterday, but it was a lifetime ago. 71 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:49.720 Into crazy how fast. 72 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.439 Time gross it sure is? Ye? 73 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:55.399 Well, well, thank you and your husband for your service, 74 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.279 and let's get a little bit into your journey to 75 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.839 the truth. At what part of your life did you 76 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.279 start to notice things weren't as we were told. 77 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.959 Well, George, it was pretty much the twenty twenty election 78 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:17.560 when I first started to get angry about voting, and 79 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.360 you know, I just knew there was something wrong there. 80 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:26.160 And then into twenty twenty one, I found out from 81 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.879 a friend about what happened with Robby Zacharias and all 82 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.839 that scandal. I listened to him a lot, kind of 83 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.839 like I listened to you now, but just finding out 84 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:46.000 what happened with him was really hurtful, and that kind 85 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.759 of led me down searching, you know, researching other things, 86 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:55.360 and somehow I got hooked up with the Fall of 87 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.920 the Cabal series. I can't quite remember how I came across, 88 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:04.120 but that just threw me into like, what in the 89 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:10.759 world is going on? So there's a lot in that series. 90 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.639 I think you've said before that you've watched it. 91 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.480 George, Yeah, that was also. I think I came across 92 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.920 it while there was so much time on our hands 93 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.600 in the spring of twenty twenty. And it's crazy how 94 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:26.240 I can't remember her name. Her name is something like 95 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.959 oaster Guard. Her last name, yeah, Janet. I think her 96 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.680 name is Janet exactly. And she passed I think in 97 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:39.000 the fall of last year. Yeah, yeap, which again all 98 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.560 of these truthers seemed to have. She wasn't very old. 99 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:46.160 I think she was in her mid fifties. And again 100 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.600 it's I don't I've never met her, I don't know 101 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.360 her surroundings, but I do find these things interesting. And 102 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.839 the other thing I do find interesting is you mentioned 103 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:04.360 Rabbi Sacharias and what a story from you know, when 104 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.920 he was a teenager he actually tried to take his 105 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:11.240 life and he ended up being one of the bigger 106 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.879 evangelical ministers. And I guess you would say North America 107 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:17.240 because I think he spent a lot of time in 108 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:23.439 Canada as well. And then he passed right after COVID 109 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:24.120 kicked off. 110 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:30.120 Right, I think so. Yeah. And it's odd that I 111 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.959 don't know if anything about him came out before his death, 112 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.600 But it's just odd that it took that long. 113 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:42.839 I always and listen if these things did happen, you know, 114 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:48.000 it's terrible, but it is interesting when these type of 115 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.680 allegations come out after a person passes, and they don't 116 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.519 have the right to defend themselves. And unfortunately, we do 117 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.800 live in a time now where people are quick to 118 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:02.000 make unsubstantiated allegations. I'm not saying that this is the 119 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:06.399 case here, but to me, it just does. The timing 120 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:08.199 was kind of interesting, to say the least. 121 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:14.439 Sure, Yeah, and then COVID along with that. You know, 122 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:20.160 I've always been leary of even the flu vaccine, you know, 123 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.560 and I always tell my husband, you what a perfect 124 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:27.800 opportunity for you know, Paris to get people through that. 125 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.079 You know, he'd brush it off, and you know what, 126 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.240 I would too. Actually, I just never got them. But 127 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.639 you know how much faith we put in the medical 128 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.200 you know, process is just amazing. 129 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:50.440 Really, it's blind faith, is what it is to the 130 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.480 pharmaceutical type of the industry. And you were in the military. 131 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.279 I don't know if you remember, but we got those 132 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:00.639 air vaccines, the air guns, Yeah, the back eighty seven. 133 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.960 We lined up and they just pow pow pow. And uh, 134 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.480 they even tell you when you get your flu vaccine, 135 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.000 you'll probably be sick for a day or two. And 136 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.120 I'm thinking, if I'm perfectly healthy, why aren't you giving 137 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.679 something to me that's going to make me sick? But 138 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.440 we just now, I mean, we're in the military, and 139 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.840 we didn't have much of a choice. But even going forward, 140 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:24.200 you know, we know that that is something that is 141 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:27.240 going to make us sick. But at the same time, 142 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.200 I know I've used this analogy to death. But if 143 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.159 someone hands us a drink and just tells us to 144 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.320 drink it, and we ask them what's inside of it, 145 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.399 and they won't tell us, we're not going to drink it. 146 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.440 So why don't we use the same thought process with vaccines? 147 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:45.840 Yeah, we don't do we I'm thankful that I did. 148 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:53.519 You know, it just brought me to a larger understanding 149 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:57.360 of you know, don't get the jab, you know, And 150 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:01.840 I tried so hard to think courage my family. My 151 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:06.039 one daughter within the military, so she, you know, she 152 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.360 had to get it to be able to stay in. 153 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.840 My husband got them. There was only one of my 154 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:18.159 daughters that didn't get them. But I'm just praying over 155 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:23.720 you know, their body, that God would do healing in 156 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.600 them and help them. 157 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:29.639 Yeah, but I'm sorry, go ahead. 158 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.080 I was gonna say during that time where I was 159 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.960 starting the research phase, I came across the flatter map, 160 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.279 you know, the Gleasons and George. When I saw it, 161 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.200 I was like it just clicked. I'm like, it makes 162 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.240 so much sense that that's the way it is, you know, 163 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.200 so much more sense than a globe. 164 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.759 I think every single one of us, at some point 165 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.240 in our life when we were in school, saw the 166 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.519 globe and thought, this doesn't really make sense. But it's 167 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.879 one of those things. You know, this guy has been 168 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:09.440 in school for four years. He must know what he's 169 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.000 talking about. We compartmentalize it and and move on. But 170 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:15.879 all the people in our community, they've always had that 171 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:22.200 moment where it's like, you know, as deceitful as we 172 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.320 know where government is. And that's what I tell people 173 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.759 who were like full blown truthers except flat Earth. I 174 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:31.679 always tell them, if you think they're lying about everything, 175 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.879 except we're on a ball that is spinning, hurtling through 176 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:42.120 space at x thousands of miles per hour. I mean, really, yeah, 177 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.000 that's the And I get it because we were all 178 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.679 on the other side as well. And I'm sure yourself, 179 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.279 like myself, trying to get people to even take two 180 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.279 minutes to listen to our if you want to call 181 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.399 it a pitch about flat Earth or biblical cosmology, very 182 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:02.440 hard to get their attention just for even a minute 183 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:02.799 or two. 184 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:09.679 Mm hmm. I was thankful though, in those beginning months 185 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.679 that the Lord did bring a few of my friends 186 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:18.120 into my life that also believe it. And that was 187 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.919 so encouraging because at first, George, I thought I was 188 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:25.120 kind of losing it, you know, like doubting. You know, 189 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:30.159 the cognitive dissonance is, you know, pretty powerful in the beginning. 190 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.519 But having even just a few other friends was very 191 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:41.960 helpful that, you know, we're very firm believers too. 192 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:47.879 And were these friends like physically close to you or 193 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.519 were these folks that maybe you had met online. 194 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:55.919 Or actually one of them is a friend of my 195 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:03.320 and my husband and I'm not going to go into, 196 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.799 you know, exact details who they are. But and then 197 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.679 a girlfriend of mine who is very close to me, 198 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:14.240 we get together quite often, and she was very awake 199 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:20.000 to you know, the COVID thing and in flat earth 200 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.399 as well biblical cosmology I like to call it too. 201 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:26.960 Yeah, that's awesome. You were certainly blessed to actually have 202 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.320 people physically close to you that you can talk to 203 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:29.919 about this. 204 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:37.200 Yes, definitely, and at that at that time, I was 205 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:44.000 not awake to the political I went through some of 206 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.279 my old journals and read about, you know, how I 207 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.879 was praying for President Trump and you know, the January 208 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:57.039 sixth thing, and and now I'm in a different mindset 209 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.559 that way, where you know, it's two wings of the 210 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:07.919 same bird, and I have a lot of questions there. 211 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.320 Yeah, And it was a big blow because I was, 212 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.840 especially in twenty sixteen when they played us very well, 213 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.480 the most evil woman in the world, you know, and 214 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.000 comes this guy who was not a lifetime politician, and 215 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.879 we just threw away behind everything. We were excited that, 216 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.440 you know, Hillary was going to finally get arrested and 217 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.240 we were going to finally, for the first time in 218 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:36.200 my lifetime, see justice. And you know, days go by, 219 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.879 I'm like, why is he nominating Wilbur Ross for Secretary 220 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.879 of Commerce? He's a roth Child banker and all of 221 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:46.080 these things, and I just became so disappointed. And then 222 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.000 everything kind of fell into place. God put these truths 223 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.519 in front of me into a certain order, and flat 224 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.840 Earth was the last one because I really had to 225 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.960 see for myself how much deceit was on this world, 226 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.039 in this world before I could give flatter the moment 227 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:03.960 of my time. 228 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.000 Yeah, I think that might be where my husband is, 229 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:10.240 and I won't say a whole lot about that, but 230 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:17.399 he's very patriotic George. He loves our grand babies, he's 231 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:21.360 a great father, and I think a lot of the 232 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:28.679 truth is too painful, So I think that's kind of 233 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:32.440 what holds him back from going there. 234 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.000 Yep. I think you hit the nail on the head 235 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.080 with a lot of our friends and family, who were 236 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:43.440 obviously wonderful people and we love him to death, but 237 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.799 they sense something's wrong, and I think it's a maybe 238 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.360 even a subconscious choice to not take the time out 239 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:55.159 to look any further because I think they know, subconsciously 240 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:59.960 or even for some people consciously, that it could wholesale 241 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.000 changed the way they lived their life and see the world, 242 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.519 and many people are afraid of that change. 243 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:11.080 Mm hmm. Yeah. When I think back, George, when we 244 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.840 were homeschooling, I can't remember if it was during the 245 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.519 homeschool years or maybe after they'd already gone to public school, 246 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:23.440 but our youngest came home one day and asked if 247 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.159 we thought nine to eleven was an inside job, and 248 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.320 I was horrified. I just couldn't believe she would come 249 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:35.039 up with that, you know, and I didn't remember that 250 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.480 till after I, you know, started to do some research 251 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.840 and then and we've actually talked about these things. She's very, 252 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:49.039 very open to the truth and you know, even flatter. 253 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.039 She actually bought me some flatter T shirts. 254 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.440 Kind of funny, that's awesome. 255 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:02.080 Yeah, and even my mom George, Okay, being from a 256 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:07.240 big family, we were Catholics for many years, but my 257 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:14.839 mom got saved reading scripture on her own and that 258 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.799 was always fascinating to me. And they left the church, 259 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:22.880 they quit going, and my mom was trying to find 260 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:30.640 answers to questions that she had and I just remember 261 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.039 my mom saying things about, you know, we shouldn't be 262 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.839 trying to go to space, and I just brushed it 263 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.680 off as you know, old fashioned thinking, and you know, 264 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.000 she's just not in with the times and everything. But 265 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:48.839 that's just really cool to me that I think my 266 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.319 mom was a truther, and you know, I was just 267 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:57.160 the rebellious teenager and you know how it is. But 268 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.599 you know, we learn in school with the truth as 269 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.759 mom or you know, what's happening. So I just think 270 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.519 it's really cool that she was on a path. 271 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:15.440 You know, that's amazing and it's interesting if you do 272 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:18.920 talk to I'm sure you probably have seen the video 273 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.720 with David Weiss talking to I think that lady was 274 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.880 from Connecticut or New Hampshire. She was one hundred right 275 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:28.000 around there, and she said that she was actually taught 276 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:30.960 that the earth was flat. And there's a lot of 277 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.559 evidence that point to its at some point in our 278 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.680 timeline that they were teaching that at least in some places. 279 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.400 Go back to the Encyclopedia Britannica from nineteen fifty eight 280 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.920 you can find online. It talks about the firmament at 281 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.119 x latitude being at you know, twelve thousand feet or 282 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.920 something like that. And that's kind of been my hobby recently, 283 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.640 is going on eBay and trying to find these old 284 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.440 books and just to peruse them and see if there's 285 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.000 you know, what were they thinking about and how were 286 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:08.319 things taught back and before the Rockefellers really got control 287 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:13.039 of all the textbooks and the education system at the 288 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:13.960 turn of the century. 289 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:21.559 Right. Yeah, that's a challenge, isn't it, George, Just trying 290 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:27.319 to have discernment even in our own researching, like are 291 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:31.240 things getting changed even now, like that one chapter out 292 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:33.519 of that book that got removed. 293 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.279 The Behold a Pale Horse. 294 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:37.119 Yeah, that book. 295 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.720 Yeah, yeah, it's. 296 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:46.599 Such a challenge to uh, you know know what is accurate. 297 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.720 I guess I had to go on eBay because I 298 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:52.640 think you can get it on Amazon for about twenty 299 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:55.960 five bucks, but it doesn't have chapter fifteen. I think 300 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:58.119 I paid about seventy bucks on eBay to get the 301 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.160 ninety three printing. Oh wow, But it was important to 302 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.759 me to have the original book. Bill Cooper was a 303 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.519 He was on the airwaves every night. And you know, 304 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.720 we may not agree on everything, but that's we don't 305 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:13.839 agree with our spouse sometimes that's just life. But he 306 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:20.079 was out there in the forefront. And he's a prime 307 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:24.440 example of what can happen if you get to you know, 308 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.079 if you are able to communicate against the narrative to 309 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.039 such an extent where they think you're a problem. 310 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:37.720 Yeah. Yeah, I like listening to his shows or whatever 311 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:38.240 he called him. 312 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:42.279 Yeah, the Hour of the time. Yeah, if you were 313 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.319 to be homeschooling now, with all the knowledge you have, 314 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:51.440 how would you present it? So just I'll give you 315 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:55.160 an example first, So my daughter's finishing up for freshman year, 316 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:00.440 and we put her through a program that does teach 317 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.359 those things. But at the same time we also say, 318 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.400 this is what we believe. How do you think you 319 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.480 would approach it now with the knowledge you have as 320 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:08.880 far as homeschooling goes. 321 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.440 I would probably do the same, George like, just so 322 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:17.960 they're aware of what is being taught in the public school, 323 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:24.880 because that's you know, what they'll face forever, you know, 324 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:28.720 for their whole life. Is like I said, you know, 325 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.559 there's information out there, and praying that God will give 326 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.400 them the discernment to know what is true and what 327 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:41.839 is not in big time with the scripture, you know, 328 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:46.480 just weigh it against what God gives us in his word. 329 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.119 That's the most important part. At the same time, it 330 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.200 can be a frustrating part because when I try to 331 00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:00.559 show these things to pastors, et cetera, I not only 332 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:04.160 do they just blow me off, but I've been belittled 333 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.839 a few times, and it's very frustrating to me when 334 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.759 I'm presenting it. This isn't like George Like sending you 335 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.720 a link to a website or a YouTube video. I'm like, hey, 336 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.400 check out this verse from the Bible. And I still 337 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.079 get ridiculed and they come up with some random excuse 338 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.240 and it's very frustrating for me. And I guess segueing 339 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:28.319 all the way full circle back to how your family 340 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:38.160 left the church. Yeah, right exactly. And do you are 341 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.160 you a part of a church is or are you 342 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.920 still just read the Bible from home? 343 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:50.799 Yeah, George, we left a church during COVID. They were 344 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:54.559 doing the whole masking and you know, go in this way, 345 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:59.519 go out this way, and we love the people, but 346 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.359 that's when we left church. And now we're doing a 347 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.720 home church. We just meet with like three other couples 348 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:10.880 and our one daughter comes with the grand babies. Her 349 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:14.519 husband has to work during that time. But to me, 350 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.440 that's church right now. We're just we get together, we 351 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:27.039 do life together. They're another horse farm that's right near us. 352 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:25.440 And. 353 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:34.079 I feel like that's enough. Like I'm in scripture on 354 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:39.759 my own most stage, and one thing I wanted to 355 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:47.160 say was about the senses, you know, talking about homeschooling. 356 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.160 I have this book in my hand, one hundred troops 357 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.519 that the Earth is not a globe, and on the 358 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.599 back it says, if man uses the senses which God 359 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:01.920 has given him, he gains knowledge if he uses them, 360 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.759 not he remains ignorant. And that's a quote by William Carpenter. 361 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:09.160 I think that's his name, W M. 362 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:11.920 Carpenter, Yeah, William Carpenter. And that book was written in 363 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:12.799 eighteen eighty five. 364 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:18.839 Yeah, So what a big thing to be able to 365 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.359 teach with, you know, is to just use our senses, 366 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:28.519 do our own experiment. You know, what is God showing 367 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:30.000 us and what he created. 368 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.759 I asked this question last night and I want to 369 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:38.400 ask you as well. And it's kind of a loaded 370 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.799 question and there's probably not an answer. But if we 371 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:46.920 are to really make a difference and to wake people up, 372 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:51.079 like and they live, they blew up the little satellite 373 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.319 and everybody woke up, is there a way that we 374 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:58.200 could make significant progress? I believe a we have to 375 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:03.079 do it through Christ, right, because in order to change society, 376 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.599 we have to have a society that has a moral 377 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.039 compass to a certain extent, and I feel like we've 378 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:13.319 lost our way in many aspects on what things are 379 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:16.559 considered important in life. I think to such an extent 380 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.160 that people don't even understand the difference between what a 381 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:24.319 want and a need is. But how can we garner 382 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:31.839 the attention of the masses and get these messages across. 383 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.720 My husband says, sometimes, how do you eat an elephant? 384 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.160 One small bite at a time? I think that's what 385 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:40.680 he says. 386 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.519 That's perfect analogy, you know, just. 387 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.279 As God gives us the opportunities, you know, I this 388 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:53.839 is what I do is if I'm led to say something, 389 00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.359 I'll say it. And there's you know, there's some people 390 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:01.359 that I I don't feel it's healthy to say anything 391 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:11.720 to do yet because they're so maybe fragile, I guess, 392 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.279 and like I said, even with my husband where it's 393 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.759 just too much. You know, you know when you should 394 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:22.400 say something and when you shouldn't. I guess typically, And 395 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.440 that is a big question, George, I often ask the Lord, 396 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.680 what do you want me to do with this? 397 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:29.599 You know. 398 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.759 It is. It's challenging to know. 399 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.480 It is, and I think that's the right thing to do, 400 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.799 is to pray for discernment. Absolutely, and your husband's analogy there, 401 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.880