WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.080 Recording the hood. 2 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:20.239 Conial mature audience listener, just question, is that much? 3 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:40.679 Hey, how's it going. 4 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:44.479 I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked 5 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:47.679 and Grim, a true crime podcast, and just like that, 6 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.119 here we are, here, we are. We are welcome an 7 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.960 awesome episode today. Are we are? We are? 8 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:54.039 We? 9 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:54.479 Yes? 10 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:01.119 Yeah we are. It's very much sort of requested episode. 11 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:02.840 It is. But before we get into that, we have 12 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:03.679 other things to talk about. 13 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:05.439 Yeah, we knew. We had breakfast for dinner tonight and 14 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:06.400 it was awesome. 15 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:11.680 Awesome, bacon, eggs, hash browns, toast, what else, strawberries, strawberries, Oh, 16 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.560 the strawberries made it. That was like a nice little dessert. 17 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:16.480 Was that epic? And it made me feel like I 18 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:18.599 was twelve years old? But I was okay with it. 19 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.200 Was amazing. I came home from work and the smoke 20 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:23.560 alarm was going off, so I knew Nichole was cooking dinner. 21 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:28.040 Okay, that's not fair. The tiny home smoke alarm goes 22 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:31.200 off constantly. Yes, yes, And I had one of our 23 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.799 dogs outside posted for sale. It was just not it 24 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:35.239 was just not going well for me. 25 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:36.879 Anyone want to buy a dog. 26 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:38.280 And I'm like, welcome home, Ben. 27 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:41.920 It was actually great. The smoke alarm was good. Joke. 28 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.359 I was like, oh, dinner's done, but yet. No, it 29 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.719 was just because K and cook and bacon for breakfast, 30 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.120 and bacon can get smoky in a tiny space, that 31 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.280 smoke alarm goes nuts. 32 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:52.760 Yeah, I thought. And it doesn't even seem like it's 33 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.079 smoky in here, but it's like it just goes off. 34 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.400 So it just I don't know. Anyway, anyway, there anyway 35 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:03.120 things to happen that wasn't that bad. 36 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:04.840 I agree. 37 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:05.920 It was a delicious dinner. 38 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:08.639 It was delicious. What else were we going to talk about? Oh, 39 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:11.319 we got to talk about this. This is very important. 40 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:13.680 Oh you're a bit delayed there, dude. 41 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:15.280 Yeah, throwing everyone for a loop? 42 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:15.639 Wow? 43 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:17.280 Keep and I'm guessing you know, got to be on 44 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:17.879 your toes. 45 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.319 Yeah, we do actually keep people on their toes. 46 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:21.520 It's important. 47 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.879 We'll have to post how we warm up for episodes. 48 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:26.879 You were singing Moana. 49 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:28.680 I was singing some ma Wana. We already posted that 50 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:29.800 as a story on our Patreon. 51 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.319 So and I was dancing around like a hippi because 52 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.759 my shoulders were killing me, and I was trying to. 53 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.120 You look like you're in some sort of like cult 54 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.639 dance spiritual thing. You're doing some weird moves there. 55 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:43.520 It actually helped, though I feel a little. 56 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.719 I'm sure it looked odd, but I'm sure it helped. 57 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:49.120 Oh whatever works. 58 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.039 Yeah. But speaking of patron though, we've got some patrons 59 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:53.719 who signed up this week that we got to thank 60 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.120 de Wey. We have quite a few people who signed up. 61 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:58.000 Are you going to re Actually yeah, like it's in 62 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.159 my mind, like it's so every time I go on 63 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.439 then there's more people and I'm just like, oh my gosh, yeah, 64 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:03.240 so excited. 65 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.479 It's amazing everyone who's supporting us over there. So big 66 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.159 shout out to you guys, thank you, and we're going 67 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.879 to say everyone who signed up this week, Nichole's gonna 68 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:11.120 do it. 69 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.080 I don't even have the list, so I have it. 70 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:14.560 I show you, I can show you. 71 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:15.560 You fly at her, all. 72 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.360 Right, I'll do it. Fine, Okay, So we have thank 73 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:25.400 yous to send out to Elizabeth Hutchins, Sabrina Randall, Hannah Campbell. 74 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.360 Loved the last name Campbell. By the way, I'm a 75 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:29.680 Bruce Campbell fan, so you got me on your side 76 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:39.159 right there. Marizia Chitwood, Kim Amanda Kingry, kat Peterson, Kayla Peyton, 77 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:44.879 Katie Tautman, and Rachel Dullit's wow. Thank you all of 78 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:47.080 you for being so amazing and supporting us over on 79 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.360 that platform. It makes it it, Honestly, you guys what 80 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.039 helps us keep going. So thank you so much. 81 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.000 Oh yeah, I think I've said this before, but I 82 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.439 literally have my notifications turned off on most things but 83 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:58.840 not not Patron because it makes my day. 84 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.879 Okay, I just want to say one thing though. I've 85 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.520 tried time and time and time again to turn the 86 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.840 notifications on for messages on Patreon, but for whatever reason, 87 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:09.439 Patreon does not. 88 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.080 Notify us when we get I don't get those. 89 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.639 So if we are behind on Patreon messages, guys, I mean, anyone, 90 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.360 we've talked to you, we've already told you that. But 91 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.160 if you message us on Patreon and we don't message 92 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.399 for a few days, it's just because Patreon didn't tell 93 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.199 us that you messaged us. We will find the message 94 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.160 and we will message you back, and we will eventually. 95 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:29.759 It is very odd actually, like, yeah, you'll get notification 96 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.079 for someone signing up a comment, but yeah, not a message. 97 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.399 And you think that's like the most important. 98 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.920 And like I said, I've gone in. I've turned those 99 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.240 notifications on my phone several. 100 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.720 Times and they're just like no, yeah, I mean yeah, in. 101 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.680 The in the settings, it says it's on, but it 102 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:49.279 just doesn't doesn't tell us yeah, do better. Patreon. Yeah, 103 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:51.680 it also pisses me off. They don't let us upload videos. 104 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.560 That makes me so mad. I'll be doing like little 105 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:55.720 logs all the look at us. 106 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:57.800 I feel like last time we were bitching about Spotify, 107 00:04:57.920 --> 00:04:59.839 now we're mentioned about Patreon. 108 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.600 Yeah. We also do have to thank a few people 109 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:07.079 who went out o their way and gave us reviews 110 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.160 when we requested it last week. So thank you so much. 111 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:10.439 Yes, that was awesome. 112 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.000 We had some awesome comments, So thank you so much 113 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.160 for viewing us, giving us those five stars, giving us 114 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:15.720 those comments. 115 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.240 You guys, we super appreciate it. We're so lucky to 116 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:24.240 have supporters like you. Seriously, yes, we're very, very, very lucky. 117 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:27.360 I don't feel very lucky that I decided to pick 118 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.920 this case or not pick it. I had on my 119 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:31.480 list forever, and I'm like, I want to do it, 120 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.079 but I'm like, well, so daunting. 121 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.399 Since day one, we've had this on our list, and 122 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:41.480 since day one we've had people requesting this. Yeah, this 123 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:46.040 is probably our most requested case. So what case is that? 124 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:48.959 So, well, it's the case of Robert Picton. Yes it 125 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.279 is mister Robert Picton. 126 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.279 This one's a little bit close to home for us. Yeah, 127 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:56.240 mind you, he's a little bit of a distance away. 128 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.319 He's probably nine hours, which I think we're. 129 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.120 Talking about that in my notes. Dude, you're jumping ahead. 130 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.079 Sorry, may I go ahead? I think he's about eight 131 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:10.040 hundred kilometers away from us where he was, but us 132 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.800 being in a small northern town, like the distance doesn't 133 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.000 matter because it's just like the next big city sort of, 134 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.680 so it might as well be just next door. 135 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:22.240 Yeah, And like, so this was very much so in 136 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.519 the news for us. I mean it probably was maybe worldwide, 137 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.959 but like very much so. I remember living through this 138 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.639 kind of thing right coming out of news and all 139 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.759 I'm just being like, wow, just flabbergasted. Really Yeah, it 140 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.120 was disgusting. 141 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.120 Yeah, that's a very light way of putting it. This 142 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:41.240 man is trash. 143 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:42.240 Yeah he's nasty. 144 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.000 Yeah, nasty picked it and. 145 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.120 I'm going to be very kind. This is going to 146 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.680 be like a two parter. So I'm being very kind 147 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:52.600 because you guys will probably be all at me where 148 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.439 I end. So if you want to save it until 149 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.879 you can watch or list watch, listen to both of 150 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:59.279 them at the same time. Fly at her. 151 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.560 But and it's going to be worth listening to both, oh. 152 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.240 Gosh, because yeah, well the second one is just going 153 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:07.480 to be better. Yeah, there's a lot of shit we 154 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:11.040 have to go through before it gets a bit more interesting. 155 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.439 I guess you could say, yeah, a bit more shitty. 156 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:14.240 I don't know. 157 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.240 Shitty the things that he did, but yeah, can I 158 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:17.759 know what you mean by yeah? Yeah? 159 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:20.800 Okay, So let's dive in here. Heh, you ready to 160 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:21.360 rock and roll? 161 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:22.519 I got a drink? I'm ready? 162 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.600 I got waa. Okay. So I'm going to start this 163 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.199 case off by sharing the very broad but sad truth 164 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.240 about it, and that is that between nineteen seventy eight 165 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.600 and two thousand and one, at least sixty five women 166 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.439 disappeared from Vancouver's downtown east Side, and in all honesty, 167 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.120 that number is probably low because some woman may never 168 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:47.839 have been reported is missing at all? 169 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:49.639 Yeah, one hundred percent correct. 170 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.959 Right, So for all of those who you haven't heard of, 171 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.839 Vancouver's downtown east Side. I'll share with you it is 172 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:01.279 unfortunately a very sad picture to paint. The City of 173 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.839 Vancouver's website describes it as being an area in recent 174 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:11.519 years that has struggled with many complex challenges including drug use, crime, homelessness, 175 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.680 housing issues, unemployment, and loss of businesses in the community, 176 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.519 which is a very polite way of saying, you don't 177 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.439 want to find yourself in this area. 178 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:23.920 Definitely, definitely. 179 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.800 It was in the nineteen eighties that the area began 180 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.920 to rapidly decline for many reasons. There was an increase 181 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:37.159 of hard drug use policies, aka the government basically pushed 182 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.320 sex workers and drug related activity out of nearby areas 183 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.480 areas into a centralized area. And I don't think that's 184 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:49.120 like was a Vancouver thing. I think that's happened other Oh, definitely, 185 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:53.200 lots of places and the lack of the lack or 186 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:58.039 end I should say, of funding for social housing. It 187 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.440 is essentially an eight block long and six block deep 188 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:07.440 hell on earth. Drug addiction, overdoses, poverty, people living on 189 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:13.440 the street, sex work, disease, mental illness. It's dirty, it's unsafe. 190 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.120 It was described in many articles I read that if 191 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.320 you end up here, you've hit rock bottom. And it's 192 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.919 the sad, sad truth about the area. 193 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:25.720 Yeah, And to sum it all up, it's essentially like, 194 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.519 if you end up there, it's society has abandoned you. 195 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:34.360 Yeah, I mean, okay, there are resources down there though, 196 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.240 and I think there are still people down there trying 197 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.120 to help. Like I'm just going to say that, but yeah, 198 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:44.360 like like you really, Ah, it's so sad and it 199 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.039 sucks you even you try to get out, it sucks 200 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:47.960 you back in often. 201 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.159 Yes, that's very, very true. 202 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.600 So, and I've actually driven through. I remember driving through 203 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:57.840 that area as a kid and just being like whoa, 204 00:09:58.320 --> 00:09:59.600 it was just like a different world. 205 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.799 I went through that area just a couple of weeks 206 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:03.840 ago when I was in Vancouver. 207 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:05.559 Oh did you have to walk through that area? 208 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:07.200 No? I didn't walk through it. I was in a 209 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:07.639 cap and. 210 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.120 We drove through there, Oh did you Heyah, Well, it's 211 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.360 quite close to Gastown, isn't it, which is where we 212 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:14.120 love in Vancouver. 213 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.000 Gas Town is gorgeous. Some cool stuff down. 214 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.039 Yeah, And I think when we went to the Police 215 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.879 Museum that they had there, it was like pretty darn close. 216 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.240 Yeah. Yeah, it was there were some crazy things in 217 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:26.039 that police museum. 218 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.039 Mm hmm, it is. It was a cool place to 219 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:28.519 check out. 220 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.480 I remember one thing particularly in that police museum. There 221 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:36.519 was those cabinets of like confiscated weapons, some of the stuff, 222 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.840 like there was literal shurricans, like ninja Shurricans throwing stars. 223 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:44.759 But there was a whip made of chainsaw chains. Oh 224 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:46.000 my god, do you remember. 225 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:47.799 I don't remember that. I was more interested in the 226 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:49.840 morgue part, which is really I'm not sure what that 227 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:50.440 sounds about me. 228 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.759 There was like baseball bats with of course barbed wire, 229 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.600 and like a lot of things, but that whip made 230 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:57.600 of chainsaw chains was messed up. 231 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.200 I remember the brain, the slice of the brain. Oh yeah, 232 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:04.799 those are the things that stand out. So anyway, yeah, 233 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:09.000 it's like literally just quite gut wrenching is a way 234 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:12.159 to describe it. The community has a low trust of 235 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:16.440 the police. This case maybe an example of why. But 236 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.080 I've also read that the residents of vancouver Downtown east 237 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.559 Side experienced Canada's highest rate of death from encounters with police. 238 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:26.960 So that's scary as hell. 239 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.720 Wow, really I didn't know that. Yeah, that's sad. 240 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.360 I know. I didn't really look into that further, but 241 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:36.120 I was like, holy shit. So, like I said, it's 242 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.879 a really sad picture to paint, but unfortunate. It's the 243 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:45.600 reality of the situation, a situation that Robert Picton very 244 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:46.879 much so took advantage of. 245 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.159 Took advantage of, and was probably very much so a 246 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.080 part in creating or at least. 247 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:56.080 Well definitely wasn't helping. 248 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.120 Yeah, exactly, he was a part of it, and he 249 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.039 might have been a part of its birth. 250 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.159 I don't know if I would say his birth. 251 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.159 Well, at birth in this century. 252 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:11.159 It definitely was put unncessary fear into people that were 253 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:12.120 already fear stricken. 254 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.440 You could say that, Yeah, well, I guess maybe not 255 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:18.000 it's birth, but he helped perpetuate it. He could have 256 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:18.559 made it worse. 257 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.000 Yeah, I mean well, yeah, anytime you actually read anything 258 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.759 about down Vancouver downtown east Side, he's mentioned. So he's 259 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.799 very much associated with it. Okay, So Robin was Robin? 260 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:29.919 Who the fuck is Robin? 261 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.200 Shout out to my sister. Robin. 262 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:39.480 Robert was born on October twenty fourth, nineteen forty nine. 263 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.919 His full name Robert William Pickton. A lot of people 264 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:45.720 call him Willy and You'll listen to a lot of 265 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.919 podcasts or they say Willy, but I'm not saying Willy. 266 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.120 I just don't want to say Lilly. This whole thing. 267 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.360 He's Robert Picton, Robert. 268 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:53.720 We're calling him Robert. 269 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.120 Fuck you, Robert, fuck you, and your name Willy. 270 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.360 I know he's nasty. His parents were d and Louise Picton. 271 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.240 Robert was the middle child with an older sister and 272 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:10.360 a younger brother. The family were pig farmers, operating their 273 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.759 pig farm out of Port Coquitlam, which is about twenty 274 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:18.159 seven kilometers east of Vancouver and, like we had mentioned, 275 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.159 about nine hours drive away from US. 276 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.559 Can I give you a pat on your back for something? 277 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.240 Absolutely okay? 278 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.480 You listen to like ninety nine percent of podcasts out 279 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.799 there talking about Robert Picton. None of them or n 280 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:34.639 of them don't know how to say Coquitlam. 281 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.080 No, but I know how to say it. 282 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.519 We get shit for our bad pronunciation. We can say. 283 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:42.840 Coquitlam, we can say Port Coquitlam, we. 284 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:46.039 Can so fuck yeah. We got one up on all 285 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:47.279 those for that. I know. 286 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:48.960 It was actually funny. There was a few people that 287 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:50.960 are like, I don't know to say these Canadian cities. 288 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.039 Yeah we got it, and then yeah we do get 289 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.240 people get we get a hard time sometimes. I mean, 290 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.399 that's a hard city to say, but I don't know, 291 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:59.279 I don't know how to say it. 292 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:01.360 You do, and you did well, So good job, patt 293 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:02.120 in your back. Thank you. 294 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:06.440 I feel like my comminance is just exploding out of me. 295 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:11.080 Perfect. That's what we want. High five, high five, high five. Bohm, okay, 296 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:11.679 keep going. 297 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:16.879 Okay. So Robert's upbringing wasn't exactly great. His mother, Louise, 298 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:22.000 was an interesting character to say the least, asides from 299 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:27.559 her looks of rotting teeth, lost hair, and a go tea. 300 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.519 Apparently she had a go tea. I know, right, I 301 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:32.720 can feel her pain. Though I got some serious hairs 302 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:35.519 on my chin. Sometimes on the chin. I need to 303 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.399 like get that dealt with that. It just happens as 304 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:39.120 you get older. 305 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:39.600 It does. 306 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.399 It's so I don't I don't. I feel bad for her. Really, 307 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:43.559 I'm not shaming her. 308 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.799 With that, but I'm sure it didn't add to her well. 309 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.000 She could have. She could have maintained her go tea. 310 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:50.960 Let's just say that. 311 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:56.440 I maintain, so do I. Facial hair maintenance is important. 312 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:01.159 She had a high pitched voice. Also don't shamber for that, 313 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.840 but it was often heard calling for her children across 314 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:09.240 the neighborhood. I suppose you could say she dressed in 315 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.200 a house dress over jeans and rubber boots, which is 316 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:15.799 quite the visual. Both her and Leonard did not care 317 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:19.600 about their parents or their hygiene, and that was passed 318 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:24.639 down to their children. One interesting, yet disgusting fact is 319 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.200 that the farm animals had the run of the farm, 320 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:33.720 including the house their house. Yeah, which is so beyond fucked. 321 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:37.200 Yeah. So I do know a lot about this case. 322 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:38.279 Well, yeah, we both do. 323 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:42.240 Yeah. Yeah, generally we're presenting to each other and we 324 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.320 don't know the case. But yeah, I know a lot 325 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:45.320 of this, and that's. 326 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:47.360 I think you'll probably know the majority of it, to 327 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:49.000 be honest, I don't even know if there'll be much 328 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:49.919 in here that will shock you. 329 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.879 Well, yeah, I've researched this before, but it's been a while. 330 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:54.840 But yeah, the one that really stuck with me is, Yeah, 331 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:56.200 the animals get the run of the house. 332 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:01.559 So yeah, they're tracking in dirt, manure, and they're relieving 333 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.080 themselves in the house. Yeah, because animals don't give a 334 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:05.840 fuck where they go. They got to go, they go. 335 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.879 Which is understandable. Think you have a dog that's got 336 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.120 to go, it's got to go, and it doesn't get 337 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.039 outside fast enough. It's going to go in the house. 338 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:13.639 But you clean it up. 339 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.399 Yeah, you usher the dog outside, let it have its space, 340 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.799 and you clean up afterwards, not just belying oh there's 341 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:19.480 a pile of shit on. 342 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.519 The floor, Oh well yeah, which she had that attitude. 343 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.600 Oh well, yeah, the smell didn't affect her. Oh well, yeap, 344 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.120 Like okay, that that. 345 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.720 Is just beyond The family is effectively farm animals themselves. 346 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.120 Yeah, they're pretty much living in like a barn in 347 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.759 a sense really like because I mean, hey would have 348 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.919 been get brought in like a lot of shit would 349 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:41.799 just get her all in there. 350 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:43.080 Yeah. 351 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:47.960 So the poor children, especially the boys, had high expectations 352 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:50.559 of working on the farm and would often be going 353 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:54.320 to school dirty and I'm sure you could imagine not 354 00:16:54.440 --> 00:17:00.399 smelling all that pleasant. They only received weekly bass if 355 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.640 they were lucky, which was not enough to remove the 356 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.480 dirt and the odor and just at all so gross. 357 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:09.880 I need me like frequent showers. 358 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.440 Yeah, I mean that's just so sad. Oh, because I 359 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.160 didn't even put it in here, but like Robert had 360 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:18.000 a fear basically of like showering. Yeah, like what the heck? 361 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:20.599 And that's because of his upbringing. Yeah, because of his 362 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:22.079 parents and what they did to him. 363 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:25.839 Yeah, which is like his childhood wasn't great. 364 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.920 No, the So this is not just Robert Picton, this 365 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:32.240 is his family. 366 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.000 Yes, but it is more so and I'd probably say 367 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:36.759 this in later, but it is more so the brothers, 368 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.160 the sisters. Seemed like she was treated a bit differently, 369 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:43.079 and she'd been interviewed at times too, and didn't often 370 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.160 I kind of said that with an accent, didn't often 371 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:51.480 describe is like the situations is that terrible? And then 372 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:53.119 I do think when she was in high school she 373 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:55.640 went and lived with relatives and Vancouver and stuff, so 374 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:58.240 she she really like wanted to be away from this 375 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:01.039 whole situation. I think she handib she was a lot different. 376 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:04.759 So this obviously caused them to be called names by 377 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:10.519 their fellow classmates like Piggy or stinky piggy, and school 378 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.079 is rough. If you're in any way different, it does 379 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.200 not go unnoticed. 380 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:16.400 Oh yeah, so. 381 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.200 I would imagine the bullying had to be pretty bad. 382 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:21.599 Towards them, no kidding, I got bullied just from my 383 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:25.640 name because that like muscle cream, the ointment Ben Gay. 384 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.079 Of course kids latched to that. My name's Ben. 385 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.720 Oh geez, did you not know that I literally went 386 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:35.079 to high school? I think I did, but like I 387 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.839 forgot because it's just so silly. Yeah, I know, right, 388 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.920 I don't know everything. That just is people bullying. It's silly. 389 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:42.440 Yeah, high school is brutal. 390 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.799 So yeah, they got. I'm sure it wasn't great for them. 391 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:49.960 Robert had some sad stories to share from his childhood. 392 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:54.400 At age three, he crashed his father's truck. He was 393 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.599 sitting in it when it started to roll. His father 394 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.240 was yelling at him to stop, but he was three 395 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.200 year old, three years old and would have no idea 396 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.519 how to do that, and inevitably he and the truck 397 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.680 crashed into a tree. Afterwards, he received a beating from 398 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:15.920 his father. That's honestly the father's fault. 399 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.160 Oh, I can't. I can't imagine an adult blaming a 400 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.799 three year old for a piece of equipment like that 401 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:24.279