Speaker 1: Survival is always ideal when talking about true crime. If
Speaker 1: a victim can make it through their traumatic experience and
Speaker 1: somehow managed to survive, then we have something to be
Speaker 1: thankful for. In the case of Ricky McGee, he did
Speaker 1: what he had to do to manage to survive. He
Speaker 1: survived over a total of seventy days in the Australian outback,
Speaker 1: which is remarkable. But how he got there in the
Speaker 1: first place is what really makes this case a very
Speaker 1: bizarre true crime tale.
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Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.
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Speaker 1: But yes, I burst out laughing the other day. So
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be back. Because we had such a wild
Speaker 1: ride the last two weeks talking about the ad Hill.
Speaker 2: Kids, Oh my gosh, no shit, I decided.
Speaker 1: To google out of my way and try and find
Speaker 1: a survival story. Specifically, I wanted to find a survival
Speaker 1: story that was within the last decade or two within
Speaker 1: like say, two thousand and forward. So I found this
Speaker 1: story of an individual named Ricky McGee who went through
Speaker 1: some incredible survival in the year I believe it was
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. So we're going to get into that.
Speaker 2: You ready, I'm ready, Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Well. Ricky McGee's tale unfolds as a peculiar and interesting narrative,
Speaker 1: to say the least. It's marked by extraordinary circumstances of
Speaker 1: survival in the whole Australian outback for a total of
Speaker 1: an astonishing seventy one days. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: He was devoid of provisions, equipment, and even footwear.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Yet the origins of his predicament, if you will, remain
Speaker 1: shrouded in quite a bit of mystery.
Speaker 2: Huh. So here, I mean, I'm not super familiar with
Speaker 2: what the what Australia has for like issues, What do
Speaker 2: you mean issues like predators?
Speaker 1: Everyone has the issues.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean predators or the environment or like the
Speaker 2: climate or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, it's hot as fuck. They got spiders, they got reptiles,
Speaker 1: they got dingoes. I'm not sure what else they have
Speaker 1: for carnivores specifically, but so it's a bit scary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have crocodiles. Oh shit, they have alligators. I can't
Speaker 1: remember if they have alligators or crocodiles. Okay, they have
Speaker 1: one of the two.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, Okay, So there are some some things that
Speaker 2: you got to be afraid of for sure, definitely.
Speaker 1: So. Brian was born in nineteen seventy one in Gypsuln, Victoria, Australia.
Speaker 1: His early life was characterized by happiness basically until his
Speaker 1: family made the move to Melbourne, where his father would
Speaker 1: ultimately and tragically commit suicide.
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, that's sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So despite this heartbreaking event in his life, Ricky
Speaker 1: rebuilt and moved on with his life as best as
Speaker 1: he could, as best anyone ked in those ccumstances, right,
Speaker 1: We all eventually do pass on, and we are all
Speaker 1: bound to lose those who are close to us, and
Speaker 1: he was, of course no exception. So Ricky would embark
Speaker 1: on his career journey as well, and he would work
Speaker 1: a variety of jobs. He found himself navigating roles such
Speaker 1: as a carpet salesman, a prawn fisherman, nightclub doorman, and
Speaker 1: even eventually a bailiff.
Speaker 2: Okay, those are all so different, they are.
Speaker 1: That's a variety of jobs. He's building the diverse resume,
Speaker 1: for sure, and his whole resume and journey would take
Speaker 1: him eventually a bit of a darker urn, leading him
Speaker 1: to incarceration following a fight in Perth, as well as
Speaker 1: drug related offenses.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now after that, in two thousand and six, at
Speaker 1: thirty five years old, Ricky found himself residing in Queensland
Speaker 1: looking for another start and a new job. Okay, okay, fresh,
Speaker 1: new start, getting back on track doing this thing.
Speaker 2: You can always restart, you.
Speaker 1: Can, you definitely can. That's one thing that's sure in life.
Speaker 1: You can always restart. Well, you can't always restart, but
Speaker 1: you can always start anew Yeah.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, turn the page or whatever.
Speaker 1: Exactly, new chapter if you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, after handing out resumes and even going through a
Speaker 1: few interviews, I'm sure Ricky would soon receive a job
Speaker 1: offer from the Government Department of port Headland, which is
Speaker 1: in Western Australia, where he's currently residing in more Eastern Side.
Speaker 1: So often to seize the opportunity, he accepted the position
Speaker 1: and commenced a lengthy drive, a familiar route he had
Speaker 1: traversed multiple times before. The drive isn't anything to scoff
Speaker 1: at either. I mean a lot of us are probably thinking, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know a long drive. It's like a weekend road trip.
Speaker 1: You know a few hours this way might take you
Speaker 1: on the day, or to get over this way. No. No,
Speaker 1: he's going from Queensland to port Headland and it's approximately
Speaker 1: a forty two hour drive. Cool is shit, And between
Speaker 1: the two it is three thousand, nine hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: seven point nine kilometers, or for anyone who uses miles,
Speaker 1: it is two four hundred and eighty four point two miles.
Speaker 2: So is this kind of one end to the other
Speaker 2: basically right?
Speaker 1: Yes? Pretty well. So, Behind the wheel of his two
Speaker 1: thousand and one Mitsubishi Challenger, he navigated the Bunting Highway,
Speaker 1: which is a desert track that dominated much of his journey.
Speaker 1: It's kind I don't want to say it's a short
Speaker 1: cut highway. I mean it kind of is, but it's
Speaker 1: not like it's like, oh my god, he's taking a
Speaker 1: short cut that no one knows about. It's a highway,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not the main highway.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, these are the best routes. Really.
Speaker 1: We've gone through a few of those. Yeah, sometimes not
Speaker 1: on purpose, but we have. So he was going through
Speaker 1: this Bunting Highway, which was an absurdly vast I don't
Speaker 1: know the word really to put it. It was barren.
Speaker 1: This barren section of the outback in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 1: On this stretch of highway is where Ricky's story would
Speaker 1: take a very bizarre turn for the worst. Ricky's eyes
Speaker 1: were beginning to get heavy and blurred. He struggled as
Speaker 1: something was pawing at his feet. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he realized he wasn't in his car anymore. He could
Speaker 1: barely breathe, and everything was pitch black. He struggled and
Speaker 1: wriggled himself free from a black plastic wrap that was
Speaker 1: wrapped around him, and he began to push through the
Speaker 1: loose dirt that was covering him. He finally managed to
Speaker 1: dig his way to freedom, and seeing wild dingoes running
Speaker 1: away as they thought he was an easy meal. What
Speaker 1: the Luckily he was alive, and he wasn't an easy
Speaker 1: meal as they thought. Ricky was now standing over the
Speaker 1: top of a shallow grave that he was laid in,
Speaker 1: covered with dirt and debris. Ricky stood there left nude.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, for some reason, I was not
Speaker 2: expecting this.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone really would be expecting that.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, at first, when you started something clawing at
Speaker 2: his feet, I was like, holy shit, what's in his car?
Speaker 2: Like that's terrifying. But he wasn't even in his vehicle.
Speaker 1: He's not in his vehicle. Okay. So I wrote it
Speaker 1: like that on purpose, though, so you would catch you
Speaker 1: off guard when you realize he's not in his vehicle,
Speaker 1: So that may get your mind spinning. Did it work?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay. Well, I mean his actual situation is
Speaker 2: more slo of a nightmare. But imagine driving and something
Speaker 2: squawing at your feet. I would lose my mind.
Speaker 1: Probably you look down just realize your cat's in your
Speaker 1: car or something like that.
Speaker 2: Or I was thinking like a mouse or something. I'd
Speaker 2: lose my shit. Probably you'd be in a car accident. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not into mice.
Speaker 1: Definitely not.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Ricky looked around. He's standing on top of this shallow
Speaker 1: grave that he was just laying in, and he didn't
Speaker 1: know where he was. He had no sense of direction,
Speaker 1: he had nothing of any use on him. So he
Speaker 1: picked a direction and began walk. Now, lucky for him,
Speaker 1: it was in the middle of wet season. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as hot as it could be, and water or rain
Speaker 1: wasn't as scarce as it normally is.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: Major bonus point. Like that's huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Climate in the Northern Territory during wet season, which runs
Speaker 1: from November until April, typically has a high humidity and
Speaker 1: monsoonal rains and storms that occur temperatures on average run
Speaker 1: from twenty five degrees celsius or seventy seven degrees fahrenheit
Speaker 1: to thirty three degrees celsius or ninety one degrees fahrenheit,
Speaker 1: which are much lower.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm like, that's still pretty warm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we live in Canada. So now it basically
Speaker 1: means that if he was stranded at any other time
Speaker 1: of the year, there was a very good chance that
Speaker 1: he would have died of thirst very fast. Okay, But
Speaker 1: luckily for him, water was a relatively easy resource to
Speaker 1: get a hold of it this time. So Ricky began walking,
Speaker 1: and he walked for days, making his way through the
Speaker 1: brutal outback landscape. He endured a total of a ten
Speaker 1: day trek through the north eastern fringe of the Tanami Desert.
Speaker 1: Often he was being succumbed to heat exhaustion as temperatures,
Speaker 1: though on average should be lower, at the time, they
Speaker 1: were soaring above forty degrees.
Speaker 2: CELSIU oh my goodness or one.
Speaker 1: Hundred and four degrees fahrenheit.
Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine just being in that all day, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's a that's pretty I mean, we're from Canada, like
Speaker 2: you said, that's very hot. And then also just not
Speaker 2: having supplies like water and food, and.
Speaker 1: And he's naked, he's newte he has no clothing to
Speaker 1: cover or protect his.
Speaker 2: Skin, and wondering where the hell he is being disoriented.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just a nightmare.
Speaker 1: Yep. So state to sustain himself, Ricky resorted to a
Speaker 1: diet of leeches, insects, snakes, ants, lizards, frog and whatever
Speaker 1: edible plants he could find. It was a menu of
Speaker 1: literally whatever he could get a hold of to survive
Speaker 1: and give him enough energy to keep going.
Speaker 2: I mean, good for him, but oh that sounds horrible.
Speaker 1: That's why it's called survival, right, doing what you need
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He sourced water from various puddles, dams and water holes,
Speaker 1: scavenging for sustenance and bushes each evening, and consuming only
Speaker 1: one meal a day, just enough to stay alive. In
Speaker 1: the absence of water. He even resorted to drinking his
Speaker 1: own urine. He would chill it in the evenings to
Speaker 1: try and suppress whatever flavor it would hold.
Speaker 2: Right, I have heard of that for survival. I mean,
Speaker 2: this guy's smart. Yeah, he seems like he's doing a
Speaker 2: lot of things right.
Speaker 1: And There is a lot of survival experts out there
Speaker 1: who have actually commended him for much of his survival tactics,
Speaker 1: for ensuring that he did source water, food, and what
Speaker 1: we'll talk about here in the moment, even shelter, making
Speaker 1: sure he took care of his necessities. So that's that
Speaker 1: a major commending commendment. I guess on him for doing so.
Speaker 2: Because I find that super impressive, because I'm not sure
Speaker 2: I would be able to survive that extent of time. No, really, no,
Speaker 2: I don't think I could.
Speaker 1: No. Food and water were not his only issue, though
Speaker 1: he battled as we were just mentioning the elements daily
Speaker 1: as he baked in the day and essentially froze at night.
Speaker 1: Deserts are notorious for being hot in the day and
Speaker 1: cold at night. Right he fashioned temporary shelters from old
Speaker 1: tree branches to try and keep warm at night as
Speaker 1: he put his best efforts into getting as much sleep
Speaker 1: as he could to rest before moving on again the
Speaker 1: next day. Eventually, after walking for ten days, Ricky stumbled
Speaker 1: upon a dilapidated windmill. Here he created a makeshift dwelling,
Speaker 1: used a feeding trough from cattle yards repurposed into what's
Speaker 1: called a humpy, which is a type of shelter traditionally
Speaker 1: used by Australian Aboriginal individuals. Okay, so he positioned a
Speaker 1: shelter on top of a dam. So he had this
Speaker 1: water source right beside his shelter.
Speaker 2: Now, oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And here is where he lived in his improvised
Speaker 1: structure for ten more weeks.
Speaker 2: I thought for some reason, you're gonna say days, but weeks.
Speaker 2: He stayed there that whole time, eh, basically hoping to
Speaker 2: get help.
Speaker 1: Yep, hoping that this clearly is an area where farmers
Speaker 1: have previously used. It might mean that people might make
Speaker 1: their way through the area again. So as his strength waned,
Speaker 1: Ricky struggled to cover any sort of significant distance during
Speaker 1: his daily forging expeditions. At one critical juncture, we can
Speaker 1: buy this whole ordeal, he faced a potential fatal abscess
Speaker 1: under a tooth tooth, which he dug out and extracted
Speaker 1: using his car keys as a crude tool.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: As much as he tried to survive on insects and
Speaker 1: creatures that he found on the desert floor, Ricky was
Speaker 1: soon losing his battle and was gradually starving to to death.
Speaker 1: Wasting away. I can't imagine being in a situation of
Speaker 1: survival like this, like do what you need to do.
Speaker 1: Not only is it like a matter of life and death,
Speaker 1: but there is major mental things going on here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do.
Speaker 1: You have the mental whereabouts to make yourself do the
Speaker 1: things to survive? Let alone do them to begin.
Speaker 2: With, because really, no matter what you'd probably be you
Speaker 2: would be losing your mind in some way, right just
Speaker 2: even not having contact, not knowing where you are, wondering
Speaker 2: if you are going to be found or saved, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that is so daunting.
Speaker 1: It really is. So can you imagine just for a moment,
Speaker 1: thinking I could die from a small infection in my tooth,
Speaker 1: so to save my own life, I'm going to rip
Speaker 1: it out with that piece of metal.
Speaker 2: There's no way that I don't think that I would
Speaker 2: have the strength to do that to myself. No, I
Speaker 2: think it would probably just and I would end up
Speaker 2: just like succumbing to that infection.
Speaker 1: I wonder how many people would actually have the strength
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: I think that would be like almost impossible. Would you
Speaker 2: be able to do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to think, you know, when you're in
Speaker 2: like your home and like you have food and water
Speaker 2: and stuff to put yourself in that situation because right
Speaker 2: now I'm like hell no, But I mean yeah, if
Speaker 2: I was starving to death, I would I would eat
Speaker 2: a snake and I would eat bugs as well.
Speaker 1: But when would that instinct kick in? Because there's always
Speaker 1: going to be that Like say it's the first day,
Speaker 1: the second day, third day, I don't whatever day, there's
Speaker 1: one point where you get desperate enough that you do it.
Speaker 1: So where is that line? And for how many people
Speaker 1: will they not be able to jump over that line?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, because we live in
Speaker 1: a society I mean not everyone does, thankfully we are
Speaker 1: someone who do. We are someone we do thankfully we do.
Speaker 1: But we live in a society where it's like comforts
Speaker 1: are everywhere. Hm, So to have all those comforts ripped
Speaker 1: away from you, do we still have the instinct to
Speaker 1: kick in to do those basic survival needs? Is it
Speaker 1: still there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Some people it probably isn't, but who I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then also sometimes people surprise you too. You
Speaker 2: would think someone doesn't have it in them, but then
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It intrigues me so much to wonder
Speaker 1: what humans can do and what humans can't do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like you and me, I think ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent of people would be like, oh, Ben would be
Speaker 2: able to do that, Nicole would, right, But it's like, also,
Speaker 2: who knows if we're in those situations? Who knows?
Speaker 1: Me? Maybe you're the survival one in my parents.
Speaker 2: That's a freaking reason I excel for some very odd reason.
Speaker 1: Right, true, it's very possible. So well, Ricky was becoming
Speaker 1: increasingly weak, and of course he was mentally drained as well,
Speaker 1: just kind of like we were talking about. He even
Speaker 1: made a cross and he put it on top of
Speaker 1: his shelter, oh, marking what he thought would be his grave.
Speaker 1: Really basically praying his family would one day find his
Speaker 1: body laying in his own grave that he made.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty darn sad.
Speaker 1: That's super dark. Yeah, So by now ridiculously weak and gaunt,
Speaker 1: Ricky also had the added worry of prowling dingoes wondering,
Speaker 1: you know, were they sizing him up for a meal
Speaker 1: at the night. He's hearing them making the noise running around.
Speaker 1: I even did see one source, though I couldn't find
Speaker 1: if it was for sure, but that he at one
Speaker 1: point was even like holding up some sort of dish
Speaker 1: or another piece of metal at the entrance of his
Speaker 1: shelter ensuring dingos couldn't get in. They were like scraping
Speaker 1: at the door sort of thing. Not certain if that
Speaker 1: is fictional or factual, but that is something I did
Speaker 1: see at one point.
Speaker 2: Well by the sounds of it too, though, he might
Speaker 2: not have been in the best of shape right, and
Speaker 2: so they could have like smelt like thinking.
Speaker 1: That death is coming. So yeah, yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: he was at this point literally teetering on the brink
Speaker 1: of death, and in that moment he was rescued. He
Speaker 1: was found approximately fifty kilometers or thirty one miles from
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mispronounce this, but I'm gonna do my best
Speaker 1: beer in Doo Doo Station and around five hundred kilometers
Speaker 1: or three hundred and ten miles southwest of Catherine, Northern Territory, Okay.
Speaker 1: He was discovered by a local station hands and their
Speaker 1: trainees who were known as Jackaroose. Basically, when found, Ricky
Speaker 1: was in a dire state, starving, sunburnt, and suffering from
Speaker 1: extreme malinutrition and exposure. Mark Clifford, who was the manager
Speaker 1: of the station vividly described Ricky as a quote walking
Speaker 1: skeleton upon his arrival at the stations, emphasizing that the
Speaker 1: location of his discovery was one of the again, quote
Speaker 1: most isolated places in Australia.
Speaker 2: Huh So it's honestly like a miracle that he was
Speaker 2: found then, by the sounds of it.
Speaker 1: It really is, especially on the brink of death.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was on April fifth of two thousand and
Speaker 1: six that Ricky reached the Royal Darwin Hospital after enduring
Speaker 1: a stranded existence in one of the most remote remote
Speaker 1: regions on the continent for a of seventy one days.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: His original weight when he was lost was two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds. Upon his arrival at the hospital, he
Speaker 1: weighed one hundred and five pounds. Oh seriously, he lost
Speaker 1: over half his total body weight.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a lot. Yeah, it is, and really
Speaker 2: like quite a short amount of time, really, yeah, not
Speaker 2: that he was out there for a short amount of time,
Speaker 2: but to lose that much weight, oh my word.
Speaker 1: Well over you were looking at one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five pounds in seventy one days. Wow, that is wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really really wasn't having near enough finding near
Speaker 2: enough food then no.
Speaker 1: And even when you do find enough food, there there's
Speaker 1: a question of is there enough fats in the food,
Speaker 1: Because I mean, yeah, you can have all the protein
Speaker 1: you want, fat is something that you need to keep
Speaker 1: yourself going.
Speaker 2: Well, then how many calories is he also burning to
Speaker 2: get this food exactly?
Speaker 1: You need to make sure that your intake is much
Speaker 1: more than your out to output. So that's a big
Speaker 1: thing in survival is making sure that your calories weigh
Speaker 1: against what you're burning.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that would almost be the hardest
Speaker 2: thing because you're having to probably exert a lot of
Speaker 2: calories to find the smallest amount of food.
Speaker 1: You are at a certain point you have to wonder
Speaker 1: is it even worth going out of your shelter to
Speaker 1: find food. If he's finding like a little lizard every day,
Speaker 1: it's probably not worth really going out for it very much,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's that certain It's a fine line.
Speaker 1: It's a very fine line.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, despite his severe malnourishment and sunburn, Ricky managed to
Speaker 1: stay very well hydrated due to the season throughout his
Speaker 1: whole ordeal. He did not require significant medical intervention, which
Speaker 1: is lucky. Medical staff characterize him as emaciated but very
Speaker 1: well hydrated.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's good because you can't last years long
Speaker 2: without water.
Speaker 1: Correct. So while at the hospital, Ricky underwent interviews with
Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police, shedding some light on the perplexing situation
Speaker 1: and circumstances that led him into this survival situation. Now,
Speaker 1: Ricky admitted that the events that followed were a little
Speaker 1: bit hazy, but at the time when he was rescued,
Speaker 1: he apparently told the rescuers that his car had broken
Speaker 1: down on the highway when he was driving, which doesn't
Speaker 1: line up with what I already said, but I'll explain, okay,
Speaker 1: So that was originally what he said. However, he then
Speaker 1: changed his story, reportedly telling the Washington Post that his
Speaker 1: car didn't break down, he actually had been drugged by
Speaker 1: a hitchhiker and left for dead.
Speaker 2: Huh okay.
Speaker 1: In the the following days, Ricky provided additional details, recounting
Speaker 1: how he had picked up a lone Aboriginal hitchhiker whom
Speaker 1: he suspected of drugging him, possibly through a drink that
Speaker 1: he allowed the individual to pass him while he was driving,
Speaker 1: so he's like, hey, you passing my drink sort of thing,
Speaker 1: adding another layer of like complexity to the story. But
Speaker 1: in twenty ten, a few years later, Ricky came out
Speaker 1: with an autobiography which is titled Left for Dead How
Speaker 1: I Survived seventy one Days Lost in the Desert Hell.
Speaker 1: Ricky introduced another version of his story in the book.
Speaker 1: In the book, he claimed that what happened was he
Speaker 1: had stopped for three men stranded on the road without
Speaker 1: any gas and offering them for a ride to the
Speaker 1: gas station. During this encounter, he suggested the possibility of
Speaker 1: being drugged or even being stabbed with a syringe of
Speaker 1: some unknown substance. According to Ricky's book, he experienced a
Speaker 1: state of feeling quote dizzy and confused before blacking out entirely.
Speaker 1: Upon regaining consciousness, he found himself in a camp with
Speaker 1: his captors, who possessed a gun and provided him with
Speaker 1: some water. Eventually, they departed, taking his shoes and clothes,
Speaker 1: but not stealing twelve dollars and thirty cents of his
Speaker 1: that was in his pockets.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I was assuming, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: Then once again he blacked out and that's when Ricky
Speaker 1: mentions the part of the story where that I described
Speaker 1: waking up naked in the makeshift grave, covered in a
Speaker 1: black plastic sheet with some rocks and dirt thrown on
Speaker 1: top of him, and the dingoes scratching him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, see, I have to say, affirst, I was
Speaker 2: just so enthralled by the surviving story that I forgot
Speaker 2: that some shady shit happened at the beginning, And now
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, yeah, right, this is a true
Speaker 2: Prime podcast.
Speaker 1: Yep. Caught you off guard almost.
Speaker 2: That's so weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really surprising though, when talking about
Speaker 1: the true crime portion of this. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone's really questioning his survival because I think that's very clear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's people are kind of raising some eyebrows and
Speaker 1: are oddly doubting his story, especially considering he was changing
Speaker 1: his story so many times.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a bit odd. I mean I can
Speaker 2: understand maybe it not being totally right at the beginning
Speaker 2: because he was like pretty unhealthy, right yeah, but then yeah,
Speaker 2: for it to change another two times, I suppose, or
Speaker 2: three times, that's a bit odd.
Speaker 1: M hmm, Well, changed two other times just at one
Speaker 1: point he just added on to that story a bit, okay,
Speaker 1: So he said it was a hitchhiker, and then later
Speaker 1: it was an aboriginal hitchhiker, right, and then it changed
Speaker 1: from that to three guys out.
Speaker 2: Of gas in the book, so there was technically like
Speaker 2: three stories, right, correctly. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, some people believe that Ricky did not in fact
Speaker 1: have trouble at all. Instead, he simply put himself all
Speaker 1: through all of this to try and sell a story
Speaker 1: to a commercial television station. They believed that no crime
Speaker 1: was actually committed against Ricky, and that he actually went
Speaker 1: out into the outback willingly to fabricate the story and
Speaker 1: sell it, sell the rights to the story.
Speaker 2: But he was out there and to the point where
Speaker 2: he was going to die though, correct. So that doesn't
Speaker 2: that's hard to digest for me.
Speaker 1: I agree very much. So unless maybe he was suspecting
Speaker 1: of it being easier to survive, Maybe he suspected to
Speaker 1: be found sooner. Maybe he planned on being found and
Speaker 1: then he really did get lost, and then he really
Speaker 1: was screwed over.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he could have honestly actually got disoriented.
Speaker 1: Maybe he picked the rainy season for a reason. Huh,
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't pure happenstance. Now, I don't want to
Speaker 1: question him at all, but these are questions that people
Speaker 1: are asking, and I'm I'm so thankful that he survived
Speaker 1: this because clearly he went through some shit. Clearly he survived.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm so stoked for that. But there's some
Speaker 1: questions that that are definitely being raised, and they're raised
Speaker 1: for good reason.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, can I ask a question? Go ahead, and
Speaker 2: maybe it's something you're going to get to later. But
Speaker 2: because he was on his way across the country to
Speaker 2: go for a new job. Correct, yes, did he was
Speaker 2: this new job actually a thing.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm aware? Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, apparently the authorities in Australia also had their reservations, oh,
Speaker 1: regarding this, the whole story and everything. Quote, they had
Speaker 1: doubts about the story because of Ricky's previous minor drug convictions.
Speaker 1: So basically they're judging a book by its cover right there.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's not surprising that Ricky of course
Speaker 1: denies any of these allegations and his account that he's
Speaker 1: misleading or fabricating anyone that sort of thing. Basically, saying, no,
Speaker 1: this really happened. I survived. I was attacked, if you will. Reportedly,
Speaker 1: he even offered to appear on live TV and eat
Speaker 1: frogs to prove that he was telling the truth. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, though in my opinion this wouldn't prove anything.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I understand he's implying to show the extent of what
Speaker 1: he needed to go through to the public without any hesitation.
Speaker 1: But to me, it almost makes it look more like
Speaker 1: he's chasing fame than anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, isn't that a thing people do eat
Speaker 2: frog legs?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I think he's meaning like, just give
Speaker 1: me a frog and I'll just eat the thing, like
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: To me, it's more like a fear factor thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll eat a frog. Give me fame, I'll eat a frog.
Speaker 2: You know. I guess I.
Speaker 1: Don't think that really is about to show.
Speaker 2: That he survived, sort of, yea.
Speaker 1: If anything, I think it's giving more credibility to the
Speaker 1: story of him doing this to sell for fame in
Speaker 1: my opinion, not to say that's the case, but it
Speaker 1: leads more that way.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So something else that doesn't help Ricky's case is that
Speaker 1: he was not doing it for money sort of thing,
Speaker 1: because the ABC Radio reported that he had told his
Speaker 1: story for them free, but only after trying to get
Speaker 1: them to purchase a story from him for fifteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: He had told them that his cost was fifteen grand
Speaker 1: because another new source was offering him fifteen grand, so
Speaker 1: he said, if they match that price, he would sell
Speaker 1: it to them, and they said no, so he proceeded
Speaker 1: to do it for them for free. AKA there was
Speaker 1: no other source willing to pay.
Speaker 2: The fifteen k Okay, that's weird. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So Ricky eventually wrote the book that we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: and he moved to Dubai to work in construction. Now
Speaker 1: an interesting fact, because I have mentioned a few things
Speaker 1: that go against Ricky here. His car reportedly was never.
Speaker 2: Found, okay, And if it was just broken down on
Speaker 2: the side of the road, you'd think it'd be found, yeah,
Speaker 2: like fairly easily. Yeah, and it would be known that
Speaker 2: he was missing a lot sooner. Yes, huh, Okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1: But there's a couple things that don't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything in regards to research on these,
Speaker 1: but these are a couple questions I have. So I
Speaker 1: don't have any facts to back these up. I have nothing.
Speaker 1: These are just questions I have that are unanswered. So
Speaker 1: assume his car is missing, right, So to drive a car,
Speaker 1: what do you need? Yes? Well okay, yeah, but what
Speaker 1: do you use in your pocket?
Speaker 2: Keys?
Speaker 1: What did he use to pop out his tooth case?
Speaker 1: So he had the keys on him? So where did
Speaker 1: his car go? How could the car have driven away
Speaker 1: without the keys?
Speaker 2: Shit? See? Because I was thinking, gosh, where was my head? Okay,
Speaker 2: it was there and then it was gone? Okay, So
Speaker 2: what I was thinking is that, say, if he didn't
Speaker 2: even have his car, or that he kind of just
Speaker 2: showed up here whatever, and he did plan this to
Speaker 2: do this whole big thing, would he even have his keys? Then?
Speaker 2: But I guess he could have just ditched his car
Speaker 2: somewhere or something, right, He.
Speaker 1: Could have he could have sold it. He could have
Speaker 1: put it to an auto records or I don't know what.
Speaker 2: But then either way, if his car was stolen though,
Speaker 2: like abducted or whatever, or he sold it or anything
Speaker 2: like to that extent, would he still have his key? Though?
Speaker 2: Was it his car? It was his car?
Speaker 1: There's a photo of him that I I saw holding
Speaker 1: up his abscessed tooth and a car key.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: He's holding them up to the camera, so clearly it
Speaker 1: was his car key because he himself is presenting that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, unless say he did get broken down,
Speaker 2: right and then someone just later like hijacked his car,
Speaker 2: is a possibility too. Yeah, I would say that's true.
Speaker 2: It was sitting there long enough someone's like, fuck, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna take this.
Speaker 1: But let me ask another question here. So he had
Speaker 1: his car keys right in his pocket. Yeah, he was naked,
Speaker 1: get everything stolen from him?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: But he had his car keys, not to mention, they
Speaker 1: didn't steal the twelve dollars and thirty cents that he
Speaker 1: specifically stayable.
Speaker 2: All that one way over my head.
Speaker 1: Those are more questions I have.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: He's out in the desert naked, yet not only did
Speaker 1: he have his car keys, not only did he have
Speaker 1: the twelve dollars in thirty cents, he did still manage
Speaker 1: to keep track of and keep said tooth.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, keeping the tooth makes sense, yes, because if
Speaker 2: he was in that shelter, Rady could have just held
Speaker 2: on too, But how much true you have had his
Speaker 2: keys in his pocket and change if he was naked. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes zero sense.
Speaker 1: It doesn't.
Speaker 2: Wow. You just blew my mind and just blew your herd.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I didn't even catch on to that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure people who have listening did, but
Speaker 2: I'm just like almost embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he's been out in the Australian Outback
Speaker 1: desert for let's say, because he was a total of
Speaker 1: seventy one days. Let's just say it was day sixty
Speaker 1: or fifty five. Okay, day fifty five, Okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's even cut it down. Let's just say it's day thirty.
Speaker 1: So he's been out there naked thirty days, just carrying
Speaker 1: these car keys around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense for what really, for
Speaker 2: what reason either would you hold on to those?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I do understand it's survival exactly it is. However,
Speaker 1: it makes much more sense to have them in your pocket,
Speaker 1: especially if he wakes up in a ditch and he's
Speaker 1: just naked, like the car keys are there, What did
Speaker 1: he like dig around in this grave and find the keys? Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if someone had buried him too. I don't
Speaker 2: think they would leave the keys with him.
Speaker 1: No, what do they do? They stripped him naked and
Speaker 1: took the keys out of it, out of the pocket,
Speaker 1: and gave him the keys and buried them. No, they're
Speaker 1: going to take his clothes and like.
Speaker 2: And the keys so they can discard of the vehicle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably to drive away if they stole it.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, this is hurting my brain this one.
Speaker 1: There's so many if and or butt situations and ways
Speaker 1: we can say, well, this could have been, this could
Speaker 1: have been, But it's all stretches. He was stripped naked,
Speaker 1: the keys would have been in his pocket, the car
Speaker 1: was apparently stolen, they would have needed the keys for
Speaker 1: the car. Why does he still have his fucking keys
Speaker 1: to rip out his abscessed tooth thirty fifty sixty seventy
Speaker 1: days later. Does not make sense.
Speaker 2: No, unless you found a r random key, I.
Speaker 1: Very much so doubt it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just almost playing Devil's advocate, because like,
Speaker 2: how why on earth would anybody put themselves through that situation? Though,
Speaker 2: I don't even think you would want to put yourself
Speaker 2: in that situation to potentially get a payout because I
Speaker 2: don't know how that necessarily would be making you money,
Speaker 2: how that can make you money. I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: now he's written a book and he's made money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: from that.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on
Speaker 1: a limb here if if his story is not true,
Speaker 1: if he is fabricating something. I'm wondering if he was
Speaker 1: not in fact on this shortcut Bunteen Highway. He was
Speaker 1: actually on the highway that's much more north and he
Speaker 1: had seventy one days to walk. He walked to go survive.
Speaker 1: And up there on a different area completely is where
Speaker 1: he abandoned his car, perhaps to a scrapyard, who knows,
Speaker 1: And he walked and did the survival thing, and he's
Speaker 1: going to sell the rights to this, and shit goes south.
Speaker 1: He gets lost, he's actually having to survive, and he's
Speaker 1: lucky he got found, and people are asking what happened,
Speaker 1: what happened, and he's just, hey, I was a victim
Speaker 1: and want to make some money off it.
Speaker 2: Like he was almost embarrassed.
Speaker 1: That maybe I'm just again playing Devil's advocate here, I'm
Speaker 1: throwing stuff out there. He very much so could be
Speaker 1: a real victim. I'm not discrediting him on that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there is some fishy stuff at play, And what
Speaker 1: if this was an option? Have we considered something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also think in that kind of situation too,
Speaker 2: you would probably be like hallucinating and stuff. Things would
Speaker 2: probably And then if you're if you're that hung like
Speaker 2: just starving right and mel nourished and everything, like, your
Speaker 2: mind would be could be making up things.
Speaker 1: And you have a very good point, very good point.
Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't even remember the real story what happened
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, maybe what he remembers is a fabrication
Speaker 1: of his own starvation and survival instincts and his brain
Speaker 1: trying to protect him. So maybe the reason why things
Speaker 1: don't line up is because his brain won't let him
Speaker 1: even know the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I could. I mean, I freaking say,
Speaker 2: and like hungry for an hour, my brain is all
Speaker 2: like messed up and foggy, and I'm freaking hungry and
Speaker 2: just like bitchy, and so I mean I feel like
Speaker 2: that that kind of hunger could do some really weird
Speaker 2: things to your mind. And just that that being alone
Speaker 2: that long too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all saw that one with Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks Al Wilson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the with the volleyball. Oh man, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: like it does stuff to you. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm super thankful he survived because I am not questioning
Speaker 1: one iota that he was in a survival situation.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he killed Like, that's amazing he killed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think other people would be able to serve.
Speaker 2: Not many people would be able to survive like.
Speaker 1: That, even on the off chance that he was out
Speaker 1: there for whatever financial gain. And he's like, yeah, someone's
Speaker 1: gonna find me soon, and I'm not going to bother
Speaker 1: walking over this way to the town that's fifty miles
Speaker 1: that way or whatever. I'm just gonna sit it out
Speaker 1: and stick it out. He's he's going to die if
Speaker 1: he isn't found. He's literally in a survival situation. Whether
Speaker 1: he knows it or not. He survived and is lucky
Speaker 1: to be alive, and I'm thankful that he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but something's not adding up with the story, and I
Speaker 1: can't fathom why. Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I don't know. I'm I give people like too
Speaker 2: much of the benefit of the doubts sometimes, well, and that's.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to do as well. Trying to give
Speaker 1: him the back of the doubt.
Speaker 2: I just feel like there might have been some serious
Speaker 2: brain fog, because, I mean, he was traveling to a
Speaker 2: new job, so it doesn't make sense that he would
Speaker 2: end up doing this. I could not just I can't
Speaker 2: have that add up in my brain. Why someone went
Speaker 2: on on to do that? Did he happen to do
Speaker 2: you know if he happened to suffer from mental health
Speaker 2: issues at all?
Speaker 1: I'm not to it was just.
Speaker 2: Drug stuff, right, I think it was just some minor, minor,
Speaker 2: minor stuff. Okay, huh, I don't know. This is hard.
Speaker 2: This is a hard one.
Speaker 1: Here. There's two options here, well, I guess there's three.
Speaker 1: Option number one, someone committed a crime against against Ricky. Easy.
Speaker 1: Option number two. Ricky's trying to pull a fast one
Speaker 1: and he's trying to well he's basically being the criminal himself,
Speaker 1: which I think is the lesser of the options. Really
Speaker 1: an option three, Like you say, the brain fog, he's
Speaker 1: out there for whatever reason, and amnesia, mirages, starvation, malnutrition,
Speaker 1: all this shit is just preventing him from remembering correctly
Speaker 1: on how he got there in the first place.
Speaker 2: Because I even think that, I mean too if he
Speaker 2: ended up having some trauma from an attacker or whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: he could have even not ever remember what happened, because
Speaker 2: like he got hit in the head or whatever, and
Speaker 2: by that time he was found like his head injuries
Speaker 2: had kind of healed to an extent.
Speaker 1: Yes, he might not have had a gash in his head,
Speaker 1: but he might have had a minor concussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What if he fell asleep at the wheel when he
Speaker 1: was driving. That's a long ass road trip. What if
Speaker 1: he went off the road in a relatively deserted section
Speaker 1: and then his car burned up and the frame is
Speaker 1: unrecognizable and all this sort of stuff, and it's just
Speaker 1: left there out and who knows where right now, And
Speaker 1: then he was disoriented and walking through the desert, and
Speaker 1: then he had these dreams of feverish dreams when he
Speaker 1: was first out there and recalls this weird encounter with
Speaker 1: these guys on the side of the road and stripping
Speaker 1: him down and all this sort of stuff. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we do know that things like I can't remember the
Speaker 1: exact term, but extreme hypothermia will actually make an individual
Speaker 1: feel like they're hot and they will do what strip
Speaker 1: it gets cold in the desert what if he got
Speaker 1: he was becoming cold and he stripped his clothes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that he still had his keys though,
Speaker 2: and change and stuff is a bit weird. I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things in here that don't super
Speaker 2: make sense. I would almost like to read his book
Speaker 2: and then decide, but I agree.
Speaker 1: I don't think a decision can really be made until
Speaker 1: we read his book. I wanted to read his book
Speaker 1: prior to this, I didn't have the opportunity. So I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to be reading it here soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, over the Christmas break. Eh, yeah, the holiday break,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: So. Anyway, hopefully you guys had enough to process. There
Speaker 1: was not too much of a mystery in this one.
Speaker 1: Hopefully your brain isn't mush right now like mine is.
Speaker 2: But this was kind of a nice break because, like
Speaker 2: you said, the last two weeks were a bit hellish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so something a little bit easier to listen to
Speaker 1: and something that's a bit more thankful that, no matter
Speaker 1: what the case, Ricky survived and that's the most important thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, yeah, well done.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, if you guys want to check out more.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So go check that out.
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Speaker 2: We sure do. Yeah, and we'll be back next week
Speaker 2: with an with an episode I'm doing.
Speaker 1: No, you're putting it out there publicly.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, I've already started it, so it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: All right, no holding back. Now. Nichole's hosting the next case,
Speaker 1: So here we go until until you do your case,
Speaker 1: Stay wicked.