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<v Speaker 1>Survival is always ideal when talking about true crime. If

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<v Speaker 1>a victim can make it through their traumatic experience and

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<v Speaker 1>somehow managed to survive, then we have something to be

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<v Speaker 1>thankful for. In the case of Ricky McGee, he did

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<v Speaker 1>what he had to do to manage to survive. He

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<v Speaker 1>survived over a total of seventy days in the Australian outback,

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<v Speaker 1>which is remarkable. But how he got there in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place is what really makes this case a very

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre true crime tale.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material intended for your audience listener discretion lies. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>before we go anywhere today, I have something hilarious I

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<v Speaker 1>need to share with everyone here, and it is regarding

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<v Speaker 1>the show The Office.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, where are you going with this?

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, I burst out laughing the other day. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was going through some Office episodes and I happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Pawn season eight, episode number fourteen. So some context, Dwight,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've seen the show, is leading a team to Florida. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember this episode at all? Any means? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So he's leading a team to Florida. He gets to

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<v Speaker 1>select who gets to go with them, and that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of goes south. So Andy the manager at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>because Michael Scott is now gone. So Andy the manager,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you know what, since you're not doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>since going sideways, here, I'm gonna sec the team for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the people. Dwight's pissed. He does not want these people.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants his chosen team absolutely. So he takes the

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<v Speaker 1>people and he chose into the meeting room and tries

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<v Speaker 1>to give them an experience to frighten them away from Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Convince him that this isn't a good idea to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he cranked the temperature in the in the boardroom,

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<v Speaker 1>he let loose a shit ton of mosquitos in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had photos on the wall behind him of

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<v Speaker 1>shitty things in Florida to scare them away from going

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<v Speaker 1>to Florida. One of those things he used to scare

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<v Speaker 1>them away from Florida was a big poster of Casey

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony plastered on the wall behind him of the boardroom.

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<v Speaker 1>I just noticed that. Yeah, oh my god, that is

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<v Speaker 1>to fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I mean it's rightfully

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<v Speaker 2>so up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but even Dwight knows Casey Anthony yeah is not good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that says a lot right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was funny. Actually, I can't remember what I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing, probably working at the time, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>were just like roaring. It was good.

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<v Speaker 1>It made me laugh. It was good a lot. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to get that off my chest because

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<v Speaker 1>it had to be said. We shared it over on

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon with the screenshot of it and everything. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>made me laugh so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I sure did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, for sure, Bud. Yes, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to thank some patrons though. We're gonna stop talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the office here and Dwight Shrut and Casey Anthony.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a couple awesome people sign up for over

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon this week. We had Ryan Hanson and Fanny

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<v Speaker 1>Prierr Preerer. I hope I said that last name right,

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<v Speaker 1>forgive me if I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It is our thing, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But they both signed up over on Patreon, so they

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<v Speaker 1>already saw that screenshot of Dwight and the Casey Anthony and.

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<v Speaker 2>They're about to get a free episode, well not a

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<v Speaker 2>free I mean an exclusive there you go, exclusive episode.

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<v Speaker 2>On Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>They are last day of the month. They always get

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<v Speaker 1>that exclusive good for one episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, shoot, it's gonna be Thursday. Then. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>told I was the one that was supposed to figure

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<v Speaker 2>that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I said Thursday, and you're like, no Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>But for some reason, I think I was thinking the

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<v Speaker 2>first day.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well it comes out in the last day of

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<v Speaker 1>the month.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Thursday. My bad.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not telling them which one we selected, but we

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<v Speaker 1>did the other day. Let them go and tell us

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<v Speaker 1>which ones they wanted to hear. So one of the

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<v Speaker 1>people in Patreon got their episode they wanted to hear select.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty exciting really, so that's awesome. It is super awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It is super awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So actually on Friday is that is December first, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have something happening then too. This is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a big undertaking.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. I'm a little bit I'm a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>worried about it. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>We expect to not make one hundred percent on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna do our darndest. We are taking on

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge this year of vlog Miss.

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<v Speaker 2>Vlog Miss, which I didn't even know what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>was and now I do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a thing. So vloggers vlog every day of December. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some lead up to Christmas, some do afterwards. Whatever, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go try and do probably like Boxing day, like

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<v Speaker 1>the day after Christmas something like that. But we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>try and hit every single day in December leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to Christmas. There's probably gonna be some days we miss,

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<v Speaker 1>but over in our YouTube channel is where we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be posting those looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's not the whole month of December, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just up until Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean some people do just up until Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people do the whole month of December. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>real like rule written rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I see you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I haven't really talked about it yet. I just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of assume we do like something around Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, see, and I think I it was the

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<v Speaker 2>whole month of December.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean there's only a few days after Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>through sha so yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean we do have our we have

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<v Speaker 2>our Wicked Life YouTube channel, and so it's just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a way to put a lot of content out

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<v Speaker 2>there for the month and really show our life and

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<v Speaker 2>who we are and stuff exactly. So it's gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if you want to check that out YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>link down the description of this podcast, same with Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>link down below. Everything all our links down below, including

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<v Speaker 1>our other podcast, Fearful h I think we've got everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the way, I think so. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>got my one. I'm ready ready to.

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<v Speaker 1>Indulge, are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll be back. Because we had such a wild

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<v Speaker 1>ride the last two weeks talking about the ad Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids, Oh my gosh, no shit, I decided.

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<v Speaker 1>To google out of my way and try and find

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<v Speaker 1>a survival story. Specifically, I wanted to find a survival

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<v Speaker 1>story that was within the last decade or two within

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<v Speaker 1>like say, two thousand and forward. So I found this

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<v Speaker 1>story of an individual named Ricky McGee who went through

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<v Speaker 1>some incredible survival in the year I believe it was

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six. So we're going to get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>You ready, I'm ready, Okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Ricky McGee's tale unfolds as a peculiar and interesting narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>to say the least. It's marked by extraordinary circumstances of

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<v Speaker 1>survival in the whole Australian outback for a total of

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<v Speaker 1>an astonishing seventy one days. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>He was devoid of provisions, equipment, and even footwear.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the origins of his predicament, if you will, remain

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<v Speaker 1>shrouded in quite a bit of mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. So here, I mean, I'm not super familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>what the what Australia has for like issues, What do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean issues like predators?

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone has the issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean predators or the environment or like the

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<v Speaker 2>climate or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's hot as fuck. They got spiders, they got reptiles,

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<v Speaker 1>they got dingoes. I'm not sure what else they have

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<v Speaker 1>for carnivores specifically, but so it's a bit scary. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have crocodiles. Oh shit, they have alligators. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember if they have alligators or crocodiles. Okay, they have

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<v Speaker 2>Huh yeah, Okay, So there are some some things that

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<v Speaker 2>you got to be afraid of for sure, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>So. Brian was born in nineteen seventy one in Gypsuln, Victoria, Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>His early life was characterized by happiness basically until his

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<v Speaker 1>family made the move to Melbourne, where his father would

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately and tragically commit suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, that's sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So despite this heartbreaking event in his life, Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilt and moved on with his life as best as

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<v Speaker 1>he could, as best anyone ked in those ccumstances, right,

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<v Speaker 1>We all eventually do pass on, and we are all

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<v Speaker 1>bound to lose those who are close to us, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was, of course no exception. So Ricky would embark

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<v Speaker 1>on his career journey as well, and he would work

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of jobs. He found himself navigating roles such

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<v Speaker 1>as a carpet salesman, a prawn fisherman, nightclub doorman, and

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<v Speaker 1>even eventually a bailiff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, those are all so different, they are.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a variety of jobs. He's building the diverse resume,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, and his whole resume and journey would take

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<v Speaker 1>him eventually a bit of a darker urn, leading him

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<v Speaker 1>to incarceration following a fight in Perth, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>drug related offenses.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now after that, in two thousand and six, at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five years old, Ricky found himself residing in Queensland

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<v Speaker 1>looking for another start and a new job. Okay, okay, fresh,

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<v Speaker 1>new start, getting back on track doing this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You can always restart, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can, you definitely can. That's one thing that's sure in life.

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<v Speaker 1>You can always restart. Well, you can't always restart, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can always start anew Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense, turn the page or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, new chapter if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>So, after handing out resumes and even going through a

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<v Speaker 1>few interviews, I'm sure Ricky would soon receive a job

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<v Speaker 1>offer from the Government Department of port Headland, which is

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<v Speaker 1>in Western Australia, where he's currently residing in more Eastern Side.

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<v Speaker 1>So often to seize the opportunity, he accepted the position

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<v Speaker 1>and commenced a lengthy drive, a familiar route he had

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<v Speaker 1>traversed multiple times before. The drive isn't anything to scoff

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<v Speaker 1>at either. I mean a lot of us are probably thinking, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know a long drive. It's like a weekend road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>You know a few hours this way might take you

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<v Speaker 1>on the day, or to get over this way. No. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going from Queensland to port Headland and it's approximately

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<v Speaker 1>a forty two hour drive. Cool is shit, And between

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<v Speaker 1>the two it is three thousand, nine hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven point nine kilometers, or for anyone who uses miles,

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<v Speaker 1>it is two four hundred and eighty four point two miles.

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<v Speaker 2>So is this kind of one end to the other

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<v Speaker 2>basically right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Pretty well. So, Behind the wheel of his two

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<v Speaker 1>We've gone through a few of those. Yeah, sometimes not

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<v Speaker 1>This barren section of the outback in the Northern Territory.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay, for some reason, I was not

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone really would be expecting that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Well, at first, when you started something clawing at

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<v Speaker 2>his feet, I was like, holy shit, what's in his car?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's terrifying. But he wasn't even in his vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not in his vehicle. Okay. So I wrote it

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<v Speaker 1>like that on purpose, though, so you would catch you

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<v Speaker 1>So that may get your mind spinning. Did it work?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's okay. Well, I mean his actual situation is

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<v Speaker 2>more slo of a nightmare. But imagine driving and something

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<v Speaker 1>Probably you look down just realize your cat's in your

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<v Speaker 2>Or I was thinking like a mouse or something. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>lose my shit. Probably you'd be in a car accident. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not into mice.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky looked around. He's standing on top of this shallow

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<v Speaker 1>he had nothing of any use on him. So he

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<v Speaker 1>picked a direction and began walk. Now, lucky for him,

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<v Speaker 1>it was in the middle of wet season. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>as hot as it could be, and water or rain

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Major bonus point. Like that's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Climate in the Northern Territory during wet season, which runs

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<v Speaker 1>from November until April, typically has a high humidity and

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty three degrees celsius or ninety one degrees fahrenheit,

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<v Speaker 1>which are much lower.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm like, that's still pretty warm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we live in Canada. So now it basically

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, there was a very good chance that

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<v Speaker 1>he would have died of thirst very fast. Okay, But

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<v Speaker 1>luckily for him, water was a relatively easy resource to

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<v Speaker 1>get a hold of it this time. So Ricky began walking,

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<v Speaker 1>and he walked for days, making his way through the

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<v Speaker 1>brutal outback landscape. He endured a total of a ten

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<v Speaker 1>day trek through the north eastern fringe of the Tanami Desert.

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<v Speaker 1>Often he was being succumbed to heat exhaustion as temperatures,

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<v Speaker 1>though on average should be lower, at the time, they

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<v Speaker 1>were soaring above forty degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>CELSIU oh my goodness or one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred and four degrees fahrenheit.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't imagine just being in that all day, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a that's pretty I mean, we're from Canada, like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, that's very hot. And then also just not

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<v Speaker 2>having supplies like water and food, and.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's naked, he's newte he has no clothing to

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<v Speaker 2>Skin, and wondering where the hell he is being disoriented.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's just a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. So state to sustain himself, Ricky resorted to a

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<v Speaker 1>diet of leeches, insects, snakes, ants, lizards, frog and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>edible plants he could find. It was a menu of

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<v Speaker 1>literally whatever he could get a hold of to survive

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<v Speaker 1>and give him enough energy to keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, good for him, but oh that sounds horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it's called survival, right, doing what you need

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He sourced water from various puddles, dams and water holes,

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<v Speaker 1>scavenging for sustenance and bushes each evening, and consuming only

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<v Speaker 1>one meal a day, just enough to stay alive. In

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<v Speaker 1>the absence of water. He even resorted to drinking his

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<v Speaker 1>own urine. He would chill it in the evenings to

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<v Speaker 1>try and suppress whatever flavor it would hold.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I have heard of that for survival. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's smart. Yeah, he seems like he's doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things right.

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<v Speaker 1>And There is a lot of survival experts out there

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<v Speaker 1>who have actually commended him for much of his survival tactics,

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<v Speaker 1>for ensuring that he did source water, food, and what

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about here in the moment, even shelter, making

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<v Speaker 1>sure he took care of his necessities. So that's that

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<v Speaker 1>a major commending commendment. I guess on him for doing so.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I find that super impressive, because I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>I would be able to survive that extent of time. No, really, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I could.

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<v Speaker 1>No. Food and water were not his only issue, though

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<v Speaker 1>he battled as we were just mentioning the elements daily

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<v Speaker 1>as he baked in the day and essentially froze at night.

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<v Speaker 1>Deserts are notorious for being hot in the day and

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<v Speaker 1>cold at night. Right he fashioned temporary shelters from old

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<v Speaker 1>tree branches to try and keep warm at night as

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<v Speaker 1>he put his best efforts into getting as much sleep

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<v Speaker 1>as he could to rest before moving on again the

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<v Speaker 1>next day. Eventually, after walking for ten days, Ricky stumbled

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<v Speaker 1>upon a dilapidated windmill. Here he created a makeshift dwelling,

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<v Speaker 1>used a feeding trough from cattle yards repurposed into what's

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<v Speaker 1>called a humpy, which is a type of shelter traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>used by Australian Aboriginal individuals. Okay, so he positioned a

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<v Speaker 1>shelter on top of a dam. So he had this

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<v Speaker 2>Now, oh that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And here is where he lived in his improvised

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<v Speaker 1>structure for ten more weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought for some reason, you're gonna say days, but weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>He stayed there that whole time, eh, basically hoping to

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<v Speaker 2>get help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, hoping that this clearly is an area where farmers

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<v Speaker 1>have previously used. It might mean that people might make

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<v Speaker 1>their way through the area again. So as his strength waned,

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky struggled to cover any sort of significant distance during

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<v Speaker 1>his daily forging expeditions. At one critical juncture, we can

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<v Speaker 1>buy this whole ordeal, he faced a potential fatal abscess

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<v Speaker 1>under a tooth tooth, which he dug out and extracted

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<v Speaker 1>using his car keys as a crude tool.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as he tried to survive on insects and

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<v Speaker 1>soon losing his battle and was gradually starving to to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasting away. I can't imagine being in a situation of

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<v Speaker 1>Not only is it like a matter of life and death,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is major mental things going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, do.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the mental whereabouts to make yourself do the

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<v Speaker 1>things to survive? Let alone do them to begin.

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<v Speaker 2>With, because really, no matter what you'd probably be you

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<v Speaker 2>would be losing your mind in some way, right just

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<v Speaker 2>even not having contact, not knowing where you are, wondering

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<v Speaker 2>if you are going to be found or saved, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that is so daunting.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. So can you imagine just for a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I could die from a small infection in my tooth,

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<v Speaker 1>so to save my own life, I'm going to rip

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<v Speaker 1>it out with that piece of metal.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way that I don't think that I would

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<v Speaker 2>have the strength to do that to myself. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it would probably just and I would end up

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<v Speaker 2>just like succumbing to that infection.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how many people would actually have the strength

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<v Speaker 1>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that would be like almost impossible. Would you

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<v Speaker 2>be able to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so hard to think, you know, when you're in

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<v Speaker 2>like your home and like you have food and water

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff to put yourself in that situation because right

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm like hell no, But I mean yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>I was starving to death, I would I would eat

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<v Speaker 2>a snake and I would eat bugs as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But when would that instinct kick in? Because there's always

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that Like say it's the first day,

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<v Speaker 1>the second day, third day, I don't whatever day, there's

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<v Speaker 1>one point where you get desperate enough that you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So where is that line? And for how many people

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<v Speaker 1>will they not be able to jump over that line?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Yeah, because we live in

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<v Speaker 1>a society I mean not everyone does, thankfully we are

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<v Speaker 1>someone who do. We are someone we do thankfully we do.

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<v Speaker 1>But we live in a society where it's like comforts

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<v Speaker 1>are everywhere. Hm, So to have all those comforts ripped

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<v Speaker 1>away from you, do we still have the instinct to

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<v Speaker 1>kick in to do those basic survival needs? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>still there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Some people it probably isn't, but who I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But then also sometimes people surprise you too. You

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<v Speaker 2>would think someone doesn't have it in them, but then

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<v Speaker 2>they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. It intrigues me so much to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what humans can do and what humans can't do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because like you and me, I think ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>percent of people would be like, oh, Ben would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that, Nicole would, right, But it's like, also,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows if we're in those situations? Who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>Me? Maybe you're the survival one in my parents.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a freaking reason I excel for some very odd reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, true, it's very possible. So well, Ricky was becoming

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly weak, and of course he was mentally drained as well,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like we were talking about. He even

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<v Speaker 1>made a cross and he put it on top of

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<v Speaker 1>Really basically praying his family would one day find his

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<v Speaker 1>body laying in his own grave that he made.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's pretty darn sad.

428
00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:47.440
<v Speaker 1>That's super dark. Yeah, So by now ridiculously weak and gaunt,

429
00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Ricky also had the added worry of prowling dingoes wondering,

430
00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:54.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, were they sizing him up for a meal

431
00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:57.160
<v Speaker 1>at the night. He's hearing them making the noise running around.

432
00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I even did see one source, though I couldn't find

433
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.400
<v Speaker 1>if it was for sure, but that he at one

434
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.359
<v Speaker 1>point was even like holding up some sort of dish

435
00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.160
<v Speaker 1>or another piece of metal at the entrance of his

436
00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:14.319
<v Speaker 1>shelter ensuring dingos couldn't get in. They were like scraping

437
00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.039
<v Speaker 1>at the door sort of thing. Not certain if that

438
00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:20.759
<v Speaker 1>is fictional or factual, but that is something I did

439
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:21.599
<v Speaker 1>see at one point.

440
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Well by the sounds of it too, though, he might

441
00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:25.079
<v Speaker 2>not have been in the best of shape right, and

442
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:28.839
<v Speaker 2>so they could have like smelt like thinking.

443
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:33.039
<v Speaker 1>That death is coming. So yeah, yeah, well, I mean

444
00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.759
<v Speaker 1>he was at this point literally teetering on the brink

445
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:42.160
<v Speaker 1>of death, and in that moment he was rescued. He

446
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>was found approximately fifty kilometers or thirty one miles from

447
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna mispronounce this, but I'm gonna do my best

448
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>beer in Doo Doo Station and around five hundred kilometers

449
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<v Speaker 1>or three hundred and ten miles southwest of Catherine, Northern Territory, Okay.

450
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 1>He was discovered by a local station hands and their

451
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>trainees who were known as Jackaroose. Basically, when found, Ricky

452
00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>was in a dire state, starving, sunburnt, and suffering from

453
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>extreme malinutrition and exposure. Mark Clifford, who was the manager

454
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:27.279
<v Speaker 1>of the station vividly described Ricky as a quote walking

455
00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:32.480
<v Speaker 1>skeleton upon his arrival at the stations, emphasizing that the

456
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 1>location of his discovery was one of the again, quote

457
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 1>most isolated places in Australia.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Huh So it's honestly like a miracle that he was

459
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.880
<v Speaker 2>found then, by the sounds of it.

460
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>It really is, especially on the brink of death.

461
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

462
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.400
<v Speaker 1>So it was on April fifth of two thousand and

463
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>six that Ricky reached the Royal Darwin Hospital after enduring

464
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a stranded existence in one of the most remote remote

465
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<v Speaker 1>regions on the continent for a of seventy one days.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

467
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>His original weight when he was lost was two hundred

468
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and thirty pounds. Upon his arrival at the hospital, he

469
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>weighed one hundred and five pounds. Oh seriously, he lost

470
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>over half his total body weight.

471
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that's a lot. Yeah, it is, and really

472
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<v Speaker 2>like quite a short amount of time, really, yeah, not

473
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 2>that he was out there for a short amount of time,

474
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.640
<v Speaker 2>but to lose that much weight, oh my word.

475
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Well over you were looking at one hundred and twenty

476
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:45.160
<v Speaker 1>five pounds in seventy one days. Wow, that is wild.

477
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he really really wasn't having near enough finding near

478
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>enough food then no.

479
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.400
<v Speaker 1>And even when you do find enough food, there there's

480
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a question of is there enough fats in the food,

481
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<v Speaker 1>Because I mean, yeah, you can have all the protein

482
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.519
<v Speaker 1>you want, fat is something that you need to keep

483
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>yourself going.

484
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, then how many calories is he also burning to

485
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 2>get this food exactly?

486
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:08.359
<v Speaker 1>You need to make sure that your intake is much

487
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 1>more than your out to output. So that's a big

488
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 1>thing in survival is making sure that your calories weigh

489
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:16.079
<v Speaker 1>against what you're burning.

490
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think that would almost be the hardest

491
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 2>thing because you're having to probably exert a lot of

492
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 2>calories to find the smallest amount of food.

493
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:26.440
<v Speaker 1>You are at a certain point you have to wonder

494
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>is it even worth going out of your shelter to

495
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.200
<v Speaker 1>find food. If he's finding like a little lizard every day,

496
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.599
<v Speaker 1>it's probably not worth really going out for it very much,

497
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:39.039
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying.

498
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's that certain It's a fine line.

499
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a very fine line.

500
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

501
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Now, despite his severe malnourishment and sunburn, Ricky managed to

502
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 1>stay very well hydrated due to the season throughout his

503
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>whole ordeal. He did not require significant medical intervention, which

504
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>is lucky. Medical staff characterize him as emaciated but very

505
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>well hydrated.

506
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's good because you can't last years long

507
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>without water.

508
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Correct. So while at the hospital, Ricky underwent interviews with

509
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Northern Territory Police, shedding some light on the perplexing situation

510
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and circumstances that led him into this survival situation. Now,

511
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Ricky admitted that the events that followed were a little

512
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>bit hazy, but at the time when he was rescued,

513
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>he apparently told the rescuers that his car had broken

514
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:38.759
<v Speaker 1>down on the highway when he was driving, which doesn't

515
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 1>line up with what I already said, but I'll explain, okay,

516
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>So that was originally what he said. However, he then

517
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>changed his story, reportedly telling the Washington Post that his

518
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>car didn't break down, he actually had been drugged by

519
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a hitchhiker and left for dead.

520
00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Huh okay.

521
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>In the the following days, Ricky provided additional details, recounting

522
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 1>how he had picked up a lone Aboriginal hitchhiker whom

523
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>he suspected of drugging him, possibly through a drink that

524
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 1>he allowed the individual to pass him while he was driving,

525
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>so he's like, hey, you passing my drink sort of thing,

526
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>adding another layer of like complexity to the story. But

527
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>in twenty ten, a few years later, Ricky came out

528
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>with an autobiography which is titled Left for Dead How

529
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 1>I Survived seventy one Days Lost in the Desert Hell.

530
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Ricky introduced another version of his story in the book.

531
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>In the book, he claimed that what happened was he

532
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>had stopped for three men stranded on the road without

533
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>any gas and offering them for a ride to the

534
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 1>gas station. During this encounter, he suggested the possibility of

535
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>being drugged or even being stabbed with a syringe of

536
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 1>some unknown substance. According to Ricky's book, he experienced a

537
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 1>state of feeling quote dizzy and confused before blacking out entirely.

538
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Upon regaining consciousness, he found himself in a camp with

539
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 1>his captors, who possessed a gun and provided him with

540
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>some water. Eventually, they departed, taking his shoes and clothes,

541
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>but not stealing twelve dollars and thirty cents of his

542
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that was in his pockets.

543
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's what I was assuming, Yeah, Okay.

544
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Then once again he blacked out and that's when Ricky

545
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>mentions the part of the story where that I described

546
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 1>waking up naked in the makeshift grave, covered in a

547
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>black plastic sheet with some rocks and dirt thrown on

548
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>top of him, and the dingoes scratching him.

549
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, see, I have to say, affirst, I was

550
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>just so enthralled by the surviving story that I forgot

551
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that some shady shit happened at the beginning, And now

552
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, oh, yeah, right, this is a true

553
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Prime podcast.

554
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Caught you off guard almost.

555
00:29:58.640 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 2>That's so weird.

556
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not really surprising though, when talking about

557
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 1>the true crime portion of this. No, I don't think

558
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>anyone's really questioning his survival because I think that's very clear. Yeah,

559
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's people are kind of raising some eyebrows and

560
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>are oddly doubting his story, especially considering he was changing

561
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>his story so many times.

562
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's a bit odd. I mean I can

563
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 2>understand maybe it not being totally right at the beginning

564
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>because he was like pretty unhealthy, right yeah, but then yeah,

565
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.759
<v Speaker 2>for it to change another two times, I suppose, or

566
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>three times, that's a bit odd.

567
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>M hmm, Well, changed two other times just at one

568
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>point he just added on to that story a bit, okay,

569
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 1>So he said it was a hitchhiker, and then later

570
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 1>it was an aboriginal hitchhiker, right, and then it changed

571
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>from that to three guys out.

572
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Of gas in the book, so there was technically like

573
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>three stories, right, correctly. Okay.

574
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Now, some people believe that Ricky did not in fact

575
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>have trouble at all. Instead, he simply put himself all

576
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>through all of this to try and sell a story

577
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>to a commercial television station. They believed that no crime

578
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 1>was actually committed against Ricky, and that he actually went

579
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>out into the outback willingly to fabricate the story and

580
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>sell it, sell the rights to the story.

581
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>But he was out there and to the point where

582
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>he was going to die though, correct. So that doesn't

583
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 2>that's hard to digest for me.

584
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I agree very much. So unless maybe he was suspecting

585
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>of it being easier to survive, Maybe he suspected to

586
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 1>be found sooner. Maybe he planned on being found and

587
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>then he really did get lost, and then he really

588
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 1>was screwed over.

589
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, he could have honestly actually got disoriented.

590
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he picked the rainy season for a reason. Huh,

591
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 1>maybe it wasn't pure happenstance. Now, I don't want to

592
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 1>question him at all, but these are questions that people

593
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>are asking, and I'm I'm so thankful that he survived

594
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 1>this because clearly he went through some shit. Clearly he survived.

595
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. I'm so stoked for that. But there's some

596
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>questions that that are definitely being raised, and they're raised

597
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 1>for good reason.

598
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, can I ask a question? Go ahead, and

599
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's something you're going to get to later. But

600
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>because he was on his way across the country to

601
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 2>go for a new job. Correct, yes, did he was

602
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>this new job actually a thing.

603
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm aware? Yes?

604
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay.

605
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Now, apparently the authorities in Australia also had their reservations, oh,

606
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>regarding this, the whole story and everything. Quote, they had

607
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:55.279
<v Speaker 1>doubts about the story because of Ricky's previous minor drug convictions.

608
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 1>So basically they're judging a book by its cover right there.

609
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, it's not surprising that Ricky of course

610
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 1>denies any of these allegations and his account that he's

611
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>misleading or fabricating anyone that sort of thing. Basically, saying, no,

612
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>this really happened. I survived. I was attacked, if you will. Reportedly,

613
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>he even offered to appear on live TV and eat

614
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>frogs to prove that he was telling the truth. Oh

615
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 1>my goodness, though in my opinion this wouldn't prove anything.

616
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>No.

617
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 1>I understand he's implying to show the extent of what

618
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>he needed to go through to the public without any hesitation.

619
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>But to me, it almost makes it look more like

620
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 1>he's chasing fame than anything.

621
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And also, isn't that a thing people do eat

622
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 2>frog legs?

623
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, But I think he's meaning like, just give

624
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>me a frog and I'll just eat the thing, like

625
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you know.

626
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay.

627
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>To me, it's more like a fear factor thing. Yeah,

628
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.359
<v Speaker 1>I'll eat a frog. Give me fame, I'll eat a frog.

629
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>You know. I guess I.

630
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Don't think that really is about to show.

631
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 2>That he survived, sort of, yea.

632
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>If anything, I think it's giving more credibility to the

633
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>story of him doing this to sell for fame in

634
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, not to say that's the case, but it

635
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>leads more that way.

636
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

637
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 1>So something else that doesn't help Ricky's case is that

638
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 1>he was not doing it for money sort of thing,

639
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>because the ABC Radio reported that he had told his

640
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.079
<v Speaker 1>story for them free, but only after trying to get

641
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>them to purchase a story from him for fifteen thousand dollars.

642
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.960
<v Speaker 1>He had told them that his cost was fifteen grand

643
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 1>because another new source was offering him fifteen grand, so

644
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 1>he said, if they match that price, he would sell

645
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>it to them, and they said no, so he proceeded

646
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 1>to do it for them for free. AKA there was

647
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:57.639
<v Speaker 1>no other source willing to pay.

648
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.960
<v Speaker 2>The fifteen k Okay, that's weird. Yeah, okay.

649
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 1>So Ricky eventually wrote the book that we mentioned earlier,

650
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 1>and he moved to Dubai to work in construction. Now

651
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>an interesting fact, because I have mentioned a few things

652
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>that go against Ricky here. His car reportedly was never.

653
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Found, okay, And if it was just broken down on

654
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 2>the side of the road, you'd think it'd be found, yeah,

655
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>like fairly easily. Yeah, and it would be known that

656
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:33.519
<v Speaker 2>he was missing a lot sooner. Yes, huh, Okay, that's okay.

657
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 1>But there's a couple things that don't make sense to me.

658
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find anything in regards to research on these,

659
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>but these are a couple questions I have. So I

660
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.280
<v Speaker 1>don't have any facts to back these up. I have nothing.

661
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>These are just questions I have that are unanswered. So

662
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 1>assume his car is missing, right, So to drive a car,

663
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 1>what do you need? Yes? Well okay, yeah, but what

664
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>do you use in your pocket?

665
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Keys?

666
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 1>What did he use to pop out his tooth case?

667
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 1>So he had the keys on him? So where did

668
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.400
<v Speaker 1>his car go? How could the car have driven away

669
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.119
<v Speaker 1>without the keys?

670
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Shit? See? Because I was thinking, gosh, where was my head? Okay,

671
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>it was there and then it was gone? Okay, So

672
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 2>what I was thinking is that, say, if he didn't

673
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 2>even have his car, or that he kind of just

674
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>showed up here whatever, and he did plan this to

675
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>do this whole big thing, would he even have his keys? Then?

676
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.760
<v Speaker 2>But I guess he could have just ditched his car

677
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 2>somewhere or something, right, He.

678
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Could have he could have sold it. He could have

679
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>put it to an auto records or I don't know what.

680
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>But then either way, if his car was stolen though,

681
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.519
<v Speaker 2>like abducted or whatever, or he sold it or anything

682
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.920
<v Speaker 2>like to that extent, would he still have his key? Though?

683
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Was it his car? It was his car?

684
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a photo of him that I I saw holding

685
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 1>up his abscessed tooth and a car key.

686
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

687
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 1>He's holding them up to the camera, so clearly it

688
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>was his car key because he himself is presenting that.

689
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, unless say he did get broken down,

690
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>right and then someone just later like hijacked his car,

691
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>is a possibility too. Yeah, I would say that's true.

692
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.719
<v Speaker 2>It was sitting there long enough someone's like, fuck, I'm

693
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>just gonna take this.

694
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>But let me ask another question here. So he had

695
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 1>his car keys right in his pocket. Yeah, he was naked,

696
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>get everything stolen from him?

697
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

698
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>But he had his car keys, not to mention, they

699
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't steal the twelve dollars and thirty cents that he

700
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>specifically stayable.

701
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 2>All that one way over my head.

702
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Those are more questions I have.

703
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make any sense.

704
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 1>He's out in the desert naked, yet not only did

705
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.159
<v Speaker 1>he have his car keys, not only did he have

706
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the twelve dollars in thirty cents, he did still manage

707
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to keep track of and keep said tooth.

708
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, keeping the tooth makes sense, yes, because if

709
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 2>he was in that shelter, Rady could have just held

710
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.519
<v Speaker 2>on too, But how much true you have had his

711
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>keys in his pocket and change if he was naked. Yeah,

712
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that makes zero sense.

713
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't.

714
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow. You just blew my mind and just blew your herd.

715
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, I didn't even catch on to that.

716
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure people who have listening did, but

717
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like almost embarrassed.

718
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know he's been out in the Australian Outback

719
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.519
<v Speaker 1>desert for let's say, because he was a total of

720
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>seventy one days. Let's just say it was day sixty

721
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 1>or fifty five. Okay, day fifty five, Okay, you know what,

722
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>let's even cut it down. Let's just say it's day thirty.

723
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>So he's been out there naked thirty days, just carrying

724
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 1>these car keys around.

725
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't make any sense for what really, for

726
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.599
<v Speaker 2>what reason either would you hold on to those?

727
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I do understand it's survival exactly it is. However,

728
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.599
<v Speaker 1>it makes much more sense to have them in your pocket,

729
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 1>especially if he wakes up in a ditch and he's

730
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>just naked, like the car keys are there, What did

731
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 1>he like dig around in this grave and find the keys? Well?

732
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if someone had buried him too. I don't

733
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 2>think they would leave the keys with him.

734
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 1>No, what do they do? They stripped him naked and

735
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>took the keys out of it, out of the pocket,

736
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and gave him the keys and buried them. No, they're

737
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 1>going to take his clothes and like.

738
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 2>And the keys so they can discard of the vehicle.

739
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably to drive away if they stole it.

740
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, this is hurting my brain this one.

741
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>There's so many if and or butt situations and ways

742
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 1>we can say, well, this could have been, this could

743
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 1>have been, But it's all stretches. He was stripped naked,

744
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the keys would have been in his pocket, the car

745
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 1>was apparently stolen, they would have needed the keys for

746
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the car. Why does he still have his fucking keys

747
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to rip out his abscessed tooth thirty fifty sixty seventy

748
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.360
<v Speaker 1>days later. Does not make sense.

749
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:08.639
<v Speaker 2>No, unless you found a r random key, I.

750
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Very much so doubt it.

751
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm just almost playing Devil's advocate, because like,

752
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:17.599
<v Speaker 2>how why on earth would anybody put themselves through that situation? Though,

753
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think you would want to put yourself

754
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.639
<v Speaker 2>in that situation to potentially get a payout because I

755
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.559
<v Speaker 2>don't know how that necessarily would be making you money,

756
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>how that can make you money. I mean, I guess

757
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.400
<v Speaker 2>now he's written a book and he's made money. Yeah,

758
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>from that.

759
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm imagining, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on

760
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a limb here if if his story is not true,

761
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.559
<v Speaker 1>if he is fabricating something. I'm wondering if he was

762
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 1>not in fact on this shortcut Bunteen Highway. He was

763
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>actually on the highway that's much more north and he

764
00:40:56.440 --> 00:41:01.039
<v Speaker 1>had seventy one days to walk. He walked to go survive.

765
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And up there on a different area completely is where

766
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 1>he abandoned his car, perhaps to a scrapyard, who knows,

767
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 1>And he walked and did the survival thing, and he's

768
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>going to sell the rights to this, and shit goes south.

769
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>He gets lost, he's actually having to survive, and he's

770
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 1>lucky he got found, and people are asking what happened,

771
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.119
<v Speaker 1>what happened, and he's just, hey, I was a victim

772
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and want to make some money off it.

773
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Like he was almost embarrassed.

774
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>That maybe I'm just again playing Devil's advocate here, I'm

775
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>throwing stuff out there. He very much so could be

776
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 1>a real victim. I'm not discrediting him on that, Yeah,

777
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 1>but there is some fishy stuff at play, And what

778
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 1>if this was an option? Have we considered something like that?

779
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I also think in that kind of situation too,

780
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you would probably be like hallucinating and stuff. Things would

781
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>probably And then if you're if you're that hung like

782
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>just starving right and mel nourished and everything, like, your

783
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 2>mind would be could be making up things.

784
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.159
<v Speaker 1>And you have a very good point, very good point.

785
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he doesn't even remember the real story what happened

786
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to him. Yeah, maybe what he remembers is a fabrication

787
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 1>of his own starvation and survival instincts and his brain

788
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 1>trying to protect him. So maybe the reason why things

789
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 1>don't line up is because his brain won't let him

790
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:32.079
<v Speaker 1>even know the truth.

791
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I could. I mean, I freaking say,

792
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and like hungry for an hour, my brain is all

793
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.199
<v Speaker 2>like messed up and foggy, and I'm freaking hungry and

794
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.239
<v Speaker 2>just like bitchy, and so I mean I feel like

795
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.679
<v Speaker 2>that that kind of hunger could do some really weird

796
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.800
<v Speaker 2>things to your mind. And just that that being alone

797
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 2>that long too.

798
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we all saw that one with Tom

799
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Hanks Al Wilson.

800
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with the with the volleyball. Oh man, yeah, right,

801
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>like it does stuff to you. Now.

802
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm super thankful he survived because I am not questioning

803
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.639
<v Speaker 1>one iota that he was in a survival situation.

804
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he killed Like, that's amazing he killed it.

805
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

806
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't think other people would be able to serve.

807
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Not many people would be able to survive like.

808
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>That, even on the off chance that he was out

809
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 1>there for whatever financial gain. And he's like, yeah, someone's

810
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:28.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna find me soon, and I'm not going to bother

811
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>walking over this way to the town that's fifty miles

812
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 1>that way or whatever. I'm just gonna sit it out

813
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and stick it out. He's he's going to die if

814
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.760
<v Speaker 1>he isn't found. He's literally in a survival situation. Whether

815
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:43.039
<v Speaker 1>he knows it or not. He survived and is lucky

816
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.199
<v Speaker 1>to be alive, and I'm thankful that he did. Yeah,

817
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>but something's not adding up with the story, and I

818
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 1>can't fathom why. Yeah.

819
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.159
<v Speaker 2>See, I don't know. I'm I give people like too

820
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>much of the benefit of the doubts sometimes, well, and that's.

821
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 1>What I'm trying to do as well. Trying to give

822
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>him the back of the doubt.

823
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like there might have been some serious

824
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>brain fog, because, I mean, he was traveling to a

825
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.559
<v Speaker 2>new job, so it doesn't make sense that he would

826
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>end up doing this. I could not just I can't

827
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 2>have that add up in my brain. Why someone went

828
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.360
<v Speaker 2>on on to do that? Did he happen to do

829
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.639
<v Speaker 2>you know if he happened to suffer from mental health

830
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 2>issues at all?

831
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not to it was just.

832
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Drug stuff, right, I think it was just some minor, minor,

833
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 2>minor stuff. Okay, huh, I don't know. This is hard.

834
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:37.199
<v Speaker 2>This is a hard one.

835
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Here. There's two options here, well, I guess there's three.

836
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Option number one, someone committed a crime against against Ricky. Easy.

837
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Option number two. Ricky's trying to pull a fast one

838
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>and he's trying to well he's basically being the criminal himself,

839
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 1>which I think is the lesser of the options. Really

840
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:03.239
<v Speaker 1>an option three, Like you say, the brain fog, he's

841
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>out there for whatever reason, and amnesia, mirages, starvation, malnutrition,

842
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>all this shit is just preventing him from remembering correctly

843
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.639
<v Speaker 1>on how he got there in the first place.

844
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Because I even think that, I mean too if he

845
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:26.079
<v Speaker 2>ended up having some trauma from an attacker or whatever. Right,

846
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:31.440
<v Speaker 2>he could have even not ever remember what happened, because

847
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.639
<v Speaker 2>like he got hit in the head or whatever, and

848
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 2>by that time he was found like his head injuries

849
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 2>had kind of healed to an extent.

850
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he might not have had a gash in his head,

851
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<v Speaker 1>but he might have had a minor concussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

853
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<v Speaker 1>What if he fell asleep at the wheel when he

854
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<v Speaker 1>was driving. That's a long ass road trip. What if

855
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 1>he went off the road in a relatively deserted section

856
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and then his car burned up and the frame is

857
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<v Speaker 1>unrecognizable and all this sort of stuff, and it's just

858
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 1>left there out and who knows where right now, And

859
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<v Speaker 1>then he was disoriented and walking through the desert, and

860
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<v Speaker 1>then he had these dreams of feverish dreams when he

861
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<v Speaker 1>was first out there and recalls this weird encounter with

862
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<v Speaker 1>these guys on the side of the road and stripping

863
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 1>him down and all this sort of stuff. Yeah, and

864
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<v Speaker 1>we do know that things like I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>exact term, but extreme hypothermia will actually make an individual

866
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<v Speaker 1>feel like they're hot and they will do what strip

867
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<v Speaker 1>it gets cold in the desert what if he got

868
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>he was becoming cold and he stripped his clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The fact that he still had his keys though,

870
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 2>and change and stuff is a bit weird. I don't know,

871
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of things in here that don't super

872
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<v Speaker 2>make sense. I would almost like to read his book

873
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<v Speaker 2>and then decide, but I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think a decision can really be made until

875
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 1>we read his book. I wanted to read his book

876
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 1>prior to this, I didn't have the opportunity. So I

877
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<v Speaker 1>think I'm going to be reading it here soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, over the Christmas break. Eh, yeah, the holiday break,

879
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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>So. Anyway, hopefully you guys had enough to process. There

881
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<v Speaker 1>was not too much of a mystery in this one.

882
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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully your brain isn't mush right now like mine is.

883
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<v Speaker 2>But this was kind of a nice break because, like

884
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<v Speaker 2>you said, the last two weeks were a bit hellish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so something a little bit easier to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>and something that's a bit more thankful that, no matter

887
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<v Speaker 1>what the case, Ricky survived and that's the most important thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, yeah, well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Well, if you guys want to check out more.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Nicole had said earlier in the episode. Patreon is

891
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<v Speaker 1>getting an exclusive episode at the end of this month,

892
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.159
<v Speaker 1>as they always do. The link is down in the description.

893
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel is down there where we're going to be

894
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.119
<v Speaker 1>doing vlogs all Christmas long, and of course we're having

895
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other videos posted out there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I just put up one there where we

897
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<v Speaker 1>made a list of different gear that we think is

898
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<v Speaker 1>crucial for podcasting. So how you can get started in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four with your own podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, So go check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Link is in the description. And of course we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you being here, whether you're here still as we're chatting

903
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and rambling right now, whether this is your first episode

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<v Speaker 1>or you've been here this whole entire time since episode one,

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<v Speaker 1>you're amazing and we appreciate that so much.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do. Yeah, and we'll be back next week

907
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<v Speaker 2>with an with an episode I'm doing.

908
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<v Speaker 1>No, you're putting it out there publicly.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, well, I've already started it, so it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, no holding back. Now. Nichole's hosting the next case,

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go until until you do your case,

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<v Speaker 1>Stay wicked.