WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:00.680 All. 2 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:02.279 This is all about our country right now. 3 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.400 I love the USA, I love my teammates. 4 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.039 It's unbelievable, the US or hockey brotherhood. 5 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:10.640 It's so strong. 6 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:14.359 In that shame. 7 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:18.359 You should be ashamed of yourself, not standing. He should 8 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:22.559 be ashamed of yourself. It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm James Lilyx. 9 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:24.359 Stephen Hayward is here and we're going to talk to 10 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:30.559 tal Fort Gang about the Democratic Socialists of America. Can't wait, 11 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:41.560 Let's have results a podcast. Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, 12 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:44.119 number seven hundred and seventy eight. I'm James Lylyx here 13 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:47.920 in Minneapolis, calm it seems for the moment, and I'm 14 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.600 joined by Steven Hayward in California. I presume Charles is 15 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.359 still out and about. We hope to get him back soon. 16 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:57.240 He's not entered the pantheon of hosts who've come and gone. 17 00:00:57.679 --> 00:00:59.719 He will be with us again. But it's just us 18 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:01.520 here to do today with our guests to come, which 19 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:06.959 would be fun. And I gotta say USA, right us A. 20 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.200 So it was like a replay of the old Olympics, 21 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:12.560 you know, where we beat the hated Ruskies, except now 22 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:16.760 apparently we've got the hated Canadians. And I heard a 23 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.200 term the other day that just absolutely put me on 24 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:25.079 the floor, referring to the Canadians as syrup peans. 25 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:27.359 I had not heard that one. 26 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:32.319 That's good, not bad, not bad. I for one, don't 27 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:36.799 like a state of m the t and discord between 28 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.760 our I mean, they're right up there, they're closed. You know. 29 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.319 I've been living close to Canada all my days. When 30 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.040 I was a kid, I used to get in a 31 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.560 bus when I want to play a contest at the 32 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:50.159 Fargo Forum Delivery Boys, and would go up to Winnipeg, 33 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.120 which was sort of like this mirror image of Minneapolis 34 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.400 up there. I love the whole civilization out in the 35 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:59.519 outskirts and the prairies and the planes and the winds 36 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.319 swept world. I've been to Canada on the on the 37 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.959 west coast and seen their monumental architecture and marveled at 38 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.919 what they did. I like them. But here we are, 39 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.080 I guess where they don't like us. We'll show you. 40 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.159 We're not going to go to vacation in Florida. We're 41 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:20.759 going to go to Port of Iarta anyway. So the problem, 42 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:22.639 Stephen is you may have known is that some people 43 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:29.080 were moved to jingoistic displays scoundrel like refuge in patriotism. 44 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.599 And if you felt bothered by that, said the said 45 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:34.680 the Hoff post, you're not alone. 46 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.800 Well where do you start? It is a curious Well, 47 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:41.919 it's not curious to me. This is quite obvious and 48 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:46.719 not surprising that the efflorescence of American patriotism over the 49 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.960 i think unexpected win of our hockey team over Canada 50 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.840 in a really revera performance, right, especially that goalie who 51 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.919 you know, only let one shot through. But I'm not 52 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.319 surprised that the left is upset about this because well, 53 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.719 the latest finding out from the Gallup poll people, which 54 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:06.560 again does not surprise me. But if you go back 55 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.520 to two thousand and one, that's the pole Gallup did 56 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.159 two thousand and one to the president, and it's do 57 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.840 you have pride in America? And even before nine to eleven, 58 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.680 but in the years after that, Republicans Democrats were about 59 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:20.680 two or three points apart, all around ninety to ninety 60 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.879 five percent up with pride in America. Well, guess where 61 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.879 Democrats are today, thirty six percent, down from you know, 62 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.960 eighty eight percent twenty twenty five years ago, and whereas 63 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.240 Republicans haven't moved all. You could balance a glass of 64 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:37.599 water on the pole line of the time series from 65 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.479 two thousand and one to now, including when Obama was president. 66 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.479 In other words, liberals lost their mind when Trump became 67 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.400 president and they haven't gotten it back and they're not 68 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:48.120 going to get it back. Whereas Republicans who didn't like 69 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.240 Obama worth the darn, they did not abandon their pride 70 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.960 in the country at all. They didn't make their their 71 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.879 patriotism contingent on whether they liked the president. So okay, 72 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.479 that's just another description too long, of course, of Trump 73 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.639 dearrangement syndrome. But I don't remember yep. 74 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.599 To be fair, do you think that they have if 75 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:11.800 asked that they would have empirical, sighted sourced reasons for 76 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.080 not being proud of America anymore? What do you presume 77 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:15.639 would be their responses to that? 78 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:18.399 Oh, well, the whole bunch of things. I mean, let's 79 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.519 leave a side of cliches about fascism, but let's take 80 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.040 note of the fact that, and I'll assert this that 81 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.560 the patriotism of most liberals, many liberals, has been superficial 82 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.079 because and the way they betray this is that think 83 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.639 about the countries they always say they admire more and 84 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.759 wish we were more alike. Well, the Scandinavian countries of course, 85 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.879 but also Canada because they have single payer healthcare and 86 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.480 gun control and they're all nice up there. Supposedly they're 87 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.480 not actually nice at all. The way they suppress speech 88 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.839 in dissantras we saw the last several years. So there's 89 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.560 always been this envy of liberals of someplace Steltz is 90 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:53.639 better than us. 91 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.879 So when are that's also pretty darn white, pretty darn white. 92 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.279 B Right, Well, I mean two or three more things. 93 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:04.040 I mean, I really want to dump on Canada. And 94 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.040 let's stipulate that Trump was over the top with about 95 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:09.079 making Canada the fifty first state and all the rest 96 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:13.720 of that. But look, I'll assert this Canada only works, 97 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.240 and especially it's healthcare system only works, and that is 98 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.519 badly because they're a free rider in the United States. 99 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.439 I mean, just on healthcare. If you're an upper middle 100 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:25.920 class Canadian and you have to endure a year long 101 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.439 waiting list for a routine but important procedure, you come 102 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.639 to the United States. We're their safety valve and it's 103 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.120 only you know, it's a tiny country. The entire population 104 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.639 could fit inside California with lots of room to spare. 105 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.759 I mean, we're bigger than what twice the size of 106 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.120 Canada almost in California. So it's this big, spread out 107 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.399 country of just a few cities where most of the 108 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.720 population lives. But then the other finding out recently, and 109 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.639 James maybe you saw this is GDP per capita in 110 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:56.560 Canada is now lower than GDP per capita in Alabama, 111 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.600 and this is really causing some embarrassment. 112 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:01.920 Well, the Globe and Mail. The Globe and Mail went 113 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:06.360 and did that story, and apparently Alabama in the national 114 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.600 imagination of Canada consists of just a bunch of hicks 115 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.560 sitting around with Billy beard cans in a trailer park somewhere, 116 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:16.519 or dispossessed, disenfranchised African Americans toiling and fields. And when 117 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.120 they went there they actually discovered something else. I remember 118 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.279 somebody talking there was there was some rocket company. I 119 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:22.879 don't even know if it was ex or somebody else 120 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.079 that was saying, you know, we're thinking of opening up 121 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.240 some operations in Alabama. And the people on Twitter were 122 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:35.439 just laughing at them. Alabama, like there's rocket scientists in Alabama. Well, yes, 123 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:36.160 quite a few. 124 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.879 And when the Globe we heard of NASA Huntsville, right, yeah, right, 125 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.480 And when when the Globe and Mail went to Alabama, 126 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:44.240 it came back with us with a picture of a 127 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.639 place that was self confident that that was actually inhabiting 128 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.439 the twenty first century, that had restaurants, that had you know, 129 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:52.519 hospitals and stuff. 130 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.959 People weren't all living in double wides, single minds. And 131 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.360 they had to tell people, you know, we are kind 132 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:01.279 of wrong about this, and maybe some national self examination 133 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.560 should be going on. Nah no, no, no, no, let's 134 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:06.160 elbows up whatever that means. 135 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.000 Well, so let's throw in Mississippi and the comparisons too. 136 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.079 We've known now for several months when the National Educational 137 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.279 Assessments came out that Mississippi has been crushing it. I mean, 138 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.519 they're they have the biggest improvement in reading scores, including 139 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.959 among their minority children African Americans. And I forget now 140 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:24.519 who it was, but there was some liberal might have 141 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.079 been a politician or at least one of their leading pundits, 142 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.000 said you know, we ought to pay attention to Mississippi. 143 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.160 Well you can imagine a reaction on Blue sky right, 144 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:33.879 and I don't need to tell listeners have what that? 145 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.519 How that went? And the other thing is back to Canada. 146 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.759 But again I have to stop you. Why is Mississippi 147 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:41.839 doing better? What did Mississippi do that made all of 148 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:43.720 a sudden their educational metrics. 149 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.399 Improved well, higher standards and accountability right, and a basic 150 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.439 curriculum back to phonics to teach Phoenix rhoenics. 151 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.279 I feel like I'm mad. Absolutely well, no, phonics doesn't work. 152 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:56.319 What we have to do is whole word teaching where 153 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.199 they look at the whole word and to it and 154 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.839 context and no far x. But you know, get hooked 155 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.079 on that. And apparently that's the trick. That's the one 156 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.360 weird trick you expect to see, like an Internet ad, 157 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.160 the one weird trick to make your kids actually read. 158 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.480 It's genius anyway, So right, your next point on Canada. 159 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:17.240 Well, so you know, the the talking point for our 160 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.519 country now, at least since Trump came along, as we're 161 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.800 heading for a civil war. The country's going to fall apart, 162 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:24.920 We're gonna break up. But meanwhile, those you know, fuzzy 163 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.000 warm social democratic Canadians, they look more likely to break 164 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.720 up than we are. And there's the paradox there that 165 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.240 I think is explainable. But you know, for years, you know, 166 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.279 the the Nre French speaking Quebecois have wanted to secede 167 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.159 and what they had a referendum twenty years ago that 168 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.960 only narrowly failed. But now Alberta, which is the Texas 169 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.440 of Canada, right it's the once the one province that 170 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.519 would surely vote Republican if it were in America, They're 171 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:51.799 having a referendum sometime soon about whether they should separate 172 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.559 from Canada. So I don't know if it'll pass or not. 173 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:57.320 I'm not really in touch with Alberton politics beyond what 174 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:58.960 I can read in the papers, which means I don't 175 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.480 know anything. But if that passes, I'll bet the people 176 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:04.559 over in Quebec and maybe the Maritimes are going to say, hey, 177 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.840 wait a minute, and then let's see what happens after that. 178 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:09.759 It could be interesting because I don't think it's Mark 179 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.679 carneg guy you know who want on kind of a 180 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:14.799 flu with a you know, an unintended assist from Trump. 181 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.080 I don't think he's all that popular. I think he's 182 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.679 heading for cure Starmer territory. In the fullness of time 183 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:21.759 with Canadians, and so I think they've got a much 184 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:22.759 bigger problem than we do. 185 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:25.320 I think so too. You have to ask yourself what 186 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:28.399 defines Canada as a nation? What is it? Well, it's 187 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.080 this this fusion of I wouldn't say it's a fusion 188 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.200 of French and English culture. It's just it's two different 189 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.120 territories that got welld it together into one country. And 190 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:40.039 it defines itself by not being American. And in some instances, 191 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.600 you know you've got you know, television must contain ten 192 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:46.759 percent Canadian content, or radio stations must have ten percent. 193 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.000 I mean, I get the sense of not wanting to 194 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.039 be overwhelmed by the big, bumptious neighbors to the south, 195 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.720 especially when you're more well mannered in your own mind, 196 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.399 and you're kinder, and you are more civilized and all 197 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:58.159 the rest of that. But is that enough to hold 198 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.519 a country together? It is if you hold to the 199 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.320 old values, if you see yourself as part of an 200 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.919 inheritor of what we always talk about it the Western 201 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.759 civilization tradition, If you see yourself in that as a 202 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:15.120 different offshoot of the themes that made America America. In Mexico, 203 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:17.480 Mexico for that matter, you have a really interesting North 204 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.519 American continent with Mexico, Canada, the United States, three different 205 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.919 takes on Western CIEV, and two of them quite similar. 206 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.000 But if you don't have that, and you have a 207 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:32.360 rootless sort of political philosophy unmoored from any of that, 208 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.399 and going towards the usual prog utopianism, then you really 209 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.559 don't have much to hold the country together. You just 210 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.480 have an idea of yourself as being well, what it 211 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:42.960 means to be Canadian is to be tolerant and generous 212 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.799 and empathetic, and those things usually just end up in graft, 213 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:52.080 failed institutions, open borders, and diluting of your own civilization. 214 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:54.559 So good luck with that. I mean, I don't want 215 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.360 to live long enough to see Canada split up. I 216 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:59.159 think that would be really weird. I don't know how 217 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.639 it would work. Berta is its own country, the middle 218 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:08.639 part kind of becomes America, Quebec becomes a separate French 219 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:12.399 en clive, and the maritime province has also become America. 220 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.399 I guess it's no longer something that's ridiculous to even consider. 221 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.240 Well, it could be if Trump were And I don't 222 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.519 mean this as an insult of Trump, like it will sound. 223 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.320 But if Trump were more historically facile to put it 224 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.120 that way, he probably revived the old fifty four to 225 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:32.960 forty your fight slogan from this, you know, the middle 226 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:34.600 of the nineteenth century, right right. 227 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.480 I always love that fIF fight. That's a great one, 228 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.000 typically new and Tyler too. You know, you grew up 229 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:44.879 knowing these things, thinking I'm I'm old, I'm a rotary 230 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:46.919 phone old. Well, we had a State of the Union 231 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.080 speech which dialed it up, but didn't dial it up 232 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:50.679 in the way that people might have thought it was. 233 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.080 Some people said it was more disciplined, that it didn't 234 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:59.080 have the sort of wobbly, meandering middle that Trump does, 235 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.759 that it was focused to end, that it had an intention, 236 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:06.759 and that was to create a lot of television ads 237 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:11.799 for the upcoming mid terms. And I assume you listen 238 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.559 to every single minute of it. Give us your version 239 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:17.720 of the highlights and perhaps the low lights. 240 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:22.000 Yeah, amazingly, I did watch the whole thing, and I sir, 241 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.559 I'm on record for a long time of hating State 242 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:26.879 of the Union speeches and wishing we'd get rid of them. 243 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.360 I mean, the listeners should know that what we're used 244 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.840 to our entire adult lifetime is something that was really 245 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:38.080 brought back by Woodrow Wilson. He had a deliberate purpose, 246 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.679 which was to, I won't say humiliate Congress, but try 247 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.679 to overawe Congress by saying, I'm the boss. The president's 248 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.759 the leader of the country, not the Congress. In Article one, 249 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.600 because all presidents but I think maybe Jefferson gave one 250 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:54.279 speech to Congress, but all presidents in the nineteenth century 251 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:58.320 sent letters letters. And by the way, the Article two 252 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.480 says the president shall, well, from time to time submit 253 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:04.559 information on the state of the Union. It doesn't say 254 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:07.360 every year. Most of them did the annual message to Congress. 255 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.399 But I wish we'd go back to that. That said, 256 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.080 and I did write something about how Reagan he had 257 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.840 relatively short state of the Unions. Yeah, in one of 258 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.120 the State of the Unions was only thirty eight minutes long, 259 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:23.120 and he delivered them crisply and even with all the 260 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:27.000 applause interruption. And they started getting longer under George H. W. Bush, 261 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:31.120 and then under Clinton they became almost castro esque. And yes, well, 262 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.120 my joke about Trump the other night is that if 263 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.639 we measured this on the castro scale. That speech was 264 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:36.840 a half castro. 265 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.600 A half castro. I like that. Well, the part that 266 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.519 people are getting upset about is the part about how 267 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:43.639 we have to close the borders, that illegal immigrants are 268 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:45.639 coming here to take the jobs of people. They're straining 269 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.799 the medical system, they're straining the schools, and we have 270 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:50.120 to do something about this right now. Oh wait a minute, 271 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.360 that was Clinton in ninety six. People were playing back 272 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.559 and forth versions of that. It just shows you how 273 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.279 much the landscape has shifted. So yeah, I'm with you shorter. 274 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:00.879 If you have to do it at all, a letter 275 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.080 would be nice. Maybe put it on a postcard, and 276 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.360 that's I want a federal government. You can drun in 277 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:06.840 a bathtub in a state of the Union. You can 278 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.639 put it in a postcard. Yeah, well, but oh sure, 279 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.240 go ahead, no go, I mean it had but it 280 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:13.799 too well. 281 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:15.399 I was gonna say, I you know, normally when I 282 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:20.000 hear these laundry lists, you know working well. By the way, 283 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.320 you mentioned Clinton, one of my favorite Clinton moments was 284 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.559 the famous State of the Union rre. He said, after 285 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.279 the Democrats had gotten humbled in the ninety four election, 286 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.840 the era big government is over, and then we had 287 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.559 an hour of ninety five new ways the government bigger 288 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:34.559 and do more things for you. But most State of 289 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.559 the Unions are the laundry list speeches, and you know, 290 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:40.759 the occasional nod to a person in the in the gallery. Instead, 291 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:42.840 this was the work of art, a work of showmanship. 292 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.960 I've found it riveting, as I say, even though I 293 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.000 hate these things. And the way Trump paced out throughout 294 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.840 the entire speech, signaling out someone in the audience and 295 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.919 giving him award or recognition, that kept your interest because 296 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:57.720 every time the speech was about to flag into a 297 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.120 laundry list, he had another spectacle with the person. And 298 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:02.600 you could tell at the beginning this was going to 299 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:04.759 be different. When the hockey team they weren't sitting there, 300 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.159 he announced them, and the doors opened and they came 301 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.399 down the steps. I mean as spectacle. And you'd expect 302 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.799 this from the guy who was got the top ratings 303 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.120 with the Apprentice for so many years. So and you know, 304 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.080 he called out all the Democrats' worst behavior. And for Trump, 305 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.519 that was a fairly disciplined speech. Oddly enough, right he 306 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:24.639 I mean here and there he had lived and did 307 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:26.639 his usual things. But I thought it was Masterville I 308 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.879 couldn't believe it. Oh one more footnote to that, the 309 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.480 Democratic response by Abigail Spamberger. And by the way, Trump 310 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:36.720 going on so long when she was on after eleven 311 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.919 o'clock Eastern times, so nobody watched it. But I've noticed 312 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.759 that some of the well two people in particular Rick Pearlstein, 313 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.840 a very far left historian, and Corey robbin An even 314 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.720 further further left celebrity on the intellectual left, they hated 315 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.039 her speech and they both wrote pieces jumping on it, 316 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.200 and they thought it was not small enough, it wasn't wimpy, 317 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.879 they didn't yell at Donald Trump enough. And I thought, 318 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:00.840 I think they're on the pulse of the party, which 319 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.679 is they want, you know, red meat that's still bleeding, 320 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.360 still attached to the cow. I don't know what metaphor 321 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.080 you'd use, but they didn't like it, and I thought, Oh, 322 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:12.440 that doesn't occur well for Democrats heading into twenty twenty eight, 323 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.279 because they're going to want people just you know, all 324 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.200 this pent up anger at Trump for more than ten 325 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.320 years now, they're going to want that. And I think 326 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.159 the serious moderate candidates, if there are any, are not 327 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:24.320 going to want to do a lot of that, and 328 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.039 it's going to be an interesting problem for them. 329 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.279 Oh yeah, But I still think that immigration moment was 330 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.240 the best you could summon all down to that. That's 331 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:33.399 the one thing that no matter where I look, people 332 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.679 seem to have taken away, if either to defend it 333 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:40.120 or to to point out exactly what it meant, because 334 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:43.120 it is it's it's not. I mean, you want to 335 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:46.919 talk about authoritarianism and fascism when discussing the tariffs. I 336 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.960 mean Trump said that it was a regrettable ruling, sad 337 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.799 ruling or whatever he said, but he's going to abide 338 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.440 by it. It's not as if he says how many 339 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.279 legions of the Supreme Court had, But it was the 340 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.960 it's the job to defend the citizens of the United 341 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:07.440 States before over and not illegal aliens. And if you 342 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.079 sit on your hands for that, you've made a very 343 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.039 very clear statement as to your priorities and the priorities 344 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:17.039 of your party and movement. There's there's no there's no 345 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:20.039 get well, I agree with what he I think one 346 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:22.880 of somebody the interviewed afterwards, well, you know, I agree 347 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.680 in principle, but it's how we do the defending. It's 348 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.119 the way that. It's what's behind it. It's the racism 349 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.519 of this. No, no, you can't. You can't parse your 350 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:39.359 way out of that. You can't. Hi, I'm Ben Sass 351 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:42.680 and I'm Chris Steierwald. And this is not dead yet. 352 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:45.599 We're all dying, but some of us have been brought 353 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.599 face to face with that reality. However long each of 354 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:49.880 us have to do it though. 355 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:51.680 We all want to live a. 356 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:55.079 Good life, one with meaning, love and joy, and our 357 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.960 guests are here to help us do exactly that. Now 358 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:59.759 available for download and streaming at. 359 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:04.240 Rick Ricochet, join the conversation. 360 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:17.319 So we will not go to our guest, tal fort Gang. 361 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.599 I hope I got that right. If not, we'll here. 362 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.480 Legal policy fellow and advisor to the President at the 363 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.319 Manhattan Institute. You can find his writings of the pages 364 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.400 of City Journal, National Review, Yay Commentary, Law and Liberty, 365 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.119 and The Wall Street Journal. Del Welcome. 366 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:35.119 Thank you so much for having me. Can I just 367 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.519 say that I am a regular listener of the to 368 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.920 the Ricochet podcast. It's part of my Friday afternoon pre 369 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:45.240 Sabbath routine. My job is to do the dishes in 370 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.720 our house, to make sure that everything is perfectly clean. 371 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.480 For the for the beginning of the Sabbath, and the 372 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.839 Ricochet podcast is an integral part of that ritual. 373 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:57.119 See I told you that. I told you tal would 374 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.440 be a great guest and now suitable listening forgetting ready 375 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:01.839 for Shabat or whatever. 376 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.640 That's just that's fantastic. Well, and as a fellow National 377 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.000 Review guy, we're all good friends here, so let's just 378 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.799 have an RGOSL congratulations and agree in agree with each 379 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.079 other in an amiable fashion. No, thanks so much for listening. 380 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:17.240 We appreciate it. And people should say, well, what's this 381 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.319 guy written recently? And the piece is radicals are at 382 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.960 the door, as you got the piece you have in 383 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.160 the latest National Review, and we talk about the Democrat 384 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.319 socialists of America. They're cuddly and cute, right, I mean, 385 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.480 you got that charming guy in New York. That's a 386 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:36.440 very human face for socialism. I want more of that 387 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:38.559 kind of cuddly socialism. We got a nice smile, he 388 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:43.160 cares about people. Ah, the DSA that we have here 389 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:44.920 in the Twin Cities and Minneapolis where I live are 390 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.079 not a happy, cuddly bunch of people. And they're insane. 391 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:49.759 But I'll let you tell me about these radicals who 392 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.720 are not just at the door, got one foot in 393 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.559 it in some places, and in other places are sitting 394 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.640 by the fire, you know, lighting up a pipe and 395 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:01.519 looking at what trinkets they might take from your mantlebies. 396 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.799 Yeah, I haven't tried to cuddle with any DSA members 397 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:10.839 recently or ever, but I do think that most Americans 398 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.599 are under the impression that the DSSAY is little more 399 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:19.319 than the leftmost faction of the Democratic Party, which might 400 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:24.599 make them extreme or radical in their ideology, but within 401 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:32.559