Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys
Speaker 1: are your favorites, so like to say to subscribe and
Speaker 1: rain it.
Speaker 2: Five Stock and me.
Speaker 1: Great, just gone yesterday and listening watching lim always keep
Speaker 1: its watching.
Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 4: Cliff, I got your text messages and the pictures looks
Speaker 4: like you got a big weekend.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I've been I've been running ragged, dude. It
Speaker 5: it's been nutty, nutty, nutty. And we're gonna hear more
Speaker 5: about that today with our guests when we bring them
Speaker 5: on in a few minutes here. But yeah, let me
Speaker 5: tell you it's it's been NonStop since pretty much a
Speaker 5: week before the Meldrum event. And the Meldrum event was
Speaker 5: on the twenty fifth of January. It's insane.
Speaker 6: What have you been up to?
Speaker 5: Bobs? Everybody knows what I've been doing, but what have
Speaker 5: you been up to?
Speaker 6: Ah's out.
Speaker 4: I came out from back East with his son and
Speaker 4: he's cool guy. I think, yeah, you've You've spoke to
Speaker 4: him on the phone before. He likes to stay in
Speaker 4: the background, keep his name out of things.
Speaker 6: But we went out.
Speaker 4: He wanted to check out some spots on the coast
Speaker 4: here and go to the Willow Creek Museum and that
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. So we did that and his son
Speaker 4: came out and joined us. Really cool guy. So but
Speaker 4: we had a good time. I mean, we definitely sat
Speaker 4: in some rain and endured some of that. But we
Speaker 4: got up to uh, the Willow Creek big Foot Museum
Speaker 4: up there, and they got a new guy up he's
Speaker 4: he's been there for probably a year now. He's retired
Speaker 4: law enforcement officer, guy Eric, and he's got a brother, Chris.
Speaker 4: He's also a buddy that I went out with last
Speaker 4: November when I heard those three calls up in Trinity
Speaker 4: when I was out there with him and Poully looking
Speaker 4: for firewood and we got the firewood. Yeah, I heard
Speaker 4: those ones out there, So it was his brother. Eric
Speaker 4: is now retired and he's working out there at Willow
Speaker 4: Creek and they got some big plans to redo that
Speaker 4: place and staggered. It's been the same for twenty years whatever.
Speaker 4: It's just they haven't changed anything in there, and they've
Speaker 4: got stuff in the back room, so they're gonna revamp
Speaker 4: the interiories. He's gonna he's in touch with one of
Speaker 4: the big name guys from back in the fifties and sixties,
Speaker 4: local guy that was, you know, a contemporary of Al Hodgson,
Speaker 4: whose son is a retired lagger. And he's gonna get
Speaker 4: us in a group meeting. We're gonna all get together
Speaker 4: for lunch. And he says, oh, I know, I know
Speaker 4: where they took the prints back in the sixties, you know,
Speaker 4: down in High End Palm. He knows exactly those were casts.
Speaker 4: So he's gonna take us to those spots. And this guy,
Speaker 4: I guess is a natural. I haven't spoke to him
Speaker 4: personally yet, but I guess he's a natural storyteller. And
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of info about Apparently his dad
Speaker 4: saw Roger and Bob when they came out with Al Hotson.
Speaker 4: He they called them, they called both those guys. His
Speaker 4: dad was there when they came out, when they before
Speaker 4: I went to Eureka. And so I'm hoping to get
Speaker 4: some really cool info and if if he's gonna kind
Speaker 4: of see how it goes too, and if we hit
Speaker 4: it off, I'm sure we will.
Speaker 6: He is a meanable to coming on the podcast.
Speaker 5: Oh nice, nice, I know who you're talking about I
Speaker 5: had a long conversation with this gentleman. He has his
Speaker 5: own observations of Sasquatches. He was right there in the
Speaker 5: in the middle of everything with the history of it.
Speaker 5: That is going to be fantastic. And you know, since
Speaker 5: you know these people at the Willow Creek Museum, if
Speaker 5: you can go ahead and pass on my information, if
Speaker 5: there's anything I can do to help them out, anything
Speaker 5: at all, I'm happy to do that. Yeah. So, if
Speaker 5: there's anything I can do, go ahead and pass on
Speaker 5: my number to them. I'm happy to help out any
Speaker 5: other museums.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like I had to tell them,
Speaker 4: like I said, Yeah, now I'm kind of torn.
Speaker 6: You know, I said, you're.
Speaker 4: My first love, but I do love is the NABC,
Speaker 4: and I kind of got to stick with that, you know,
Speaker 4: like if I get something really good, Oh.
Speaker 5: There's room for both. There's room for both. There's no
Speaker 5: competition in this because they're in California. I'm up here
Speaker 5: in the Portland area that there there's plenty going on here.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you that, you know, all that historical stuff
Speaker 5: should should be housed down there in the area in
Speaker 5: which it was found. That's really amazing. You know, the
Speaker 5: tipmus collection stands on its own. It is one of
Speaker 5: the most fantastic things you can put your eyes on
Speaker 5: if you're interested in bigfoot stuff. And I'm thrilled to
Speaker 5: hear that they're going to augment the museum and perhaps
Speaker 5: update it because you know, I've gone through the drawers there.
Speaker 5: You know, they've got a lot of stuff that isn't
Speaker 5: on display and it's just been kind of sitting there,
Speaker 5: and I think that they could perhaps do something more
Speaker 5: with the museum, and I think that it's it's about
Speaker 5: time they do. I'm thrilled to hear it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 7: You know, I noticed there was stuff missing from the
Speaker 7: drawers because I've gone through the drawers like a bunch
Speaker 7: of times, and we went through and again I was like,
Speaker 7: I know, there's some good casts that are missing out
Speaker 7: of this, but I hope there's just upstairs wherever they're
Speaker 7: storage you know it.
Speaker 6: You know, but he's trying to They were looking at you.
Speaker 4: From just the last year since he's been there, it's
Speaker 4: about ninety eight point five percent of the people that
Speaker 4: come in come in to see the Bigfoot collection and
Speaker 4: not like the you know, mining equipment and you know
Speaker 4: the typical you know wild West museum, you know, mining
Speaker 4: museum type thing. So he's trying to gently get a
Speaker 4: little more space, maybe move out some of the stuff
Speaker 4: from the mining stuff and put in more big foot things.
Speaker 6: So that's what that's what I mean, give the people
Speaker 6: what they want. That's what people are there for.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, at the end of the day, I think
Speaker 5: that the Willow Creek stuff is best known for bigfoot.
Speaker 5: I mean, look around town at the statues and the
Speaker 5: murals and all that other stuff. I mean, Willow Creek
Speaker 5: is known for that and perhaps a little bit less
Speaker 5: for prospecting in you know, oil lamps.
Speaker 6: Right right in the foot of Cliff. Cliff's doppelganger on
Speaker 6: the wall.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, that's super funny. Yeah, there's a guy
Speaker 5: on the wall that looks a lot like me. Man,
Speaker 5: But I mean I was I wasn't even born when this,
Speaker 5: I mean when when he died.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It's probably from the nineteen twenties or earlier. I don't
Speaker 5: even know when, but it's oddly similar to me. If
Speaker 5: I had much better taste and facial hair.
Speaker 6: I'll send you a picture of that.
Speaker 5: For he has pretty great, we'll.
Speaker 6: Put it on the social media's. Yeah, I've seen that picture.
Speaker 6: He does look like you.
Speaker 3: He died before you were born, and you've never been
Speaker 3: the same since.
Speaker 5: I know, well at least you know, I know where
Speaker 5: I was in her previous life. I was in Willow
Speaker 5: Creek and he had a good style back then, not
Speaker 5: like now.
Speaker 2: I look terrible.
Speaker 5: So so you were out in the where did you go,
Speaker 5: like up in the coast somewhere. Did you got to
Speaker 5: go to the interior or what were you thinking we did?
Speaker 4: Because oh, yeah, Well so the first night we went
Speaker 4: into one of my old spots, you know, up by
Speaker 4: Rowad National Park, and we went in and there was
Speaker 4: totally dead. I mean there was there was rodents. There
Speaker 4: was rodents around, but you know, it's quite I said,
Speaker 4: you know, it's contympically be dead. And you know it's
Speaker 4: usually twenty forty five minutes at least until you know,
Speaker 4: from when we stop and sit down and just be quiet,
Speaker 4: we might get some knocks or you know, here's some
Speaker 4: stuff coming around us.
Speaker 6: We didn't hear anything.
Speaker 4: I was like, God, like it was dead, but I
Speaker 4: kind of felt like they could have been around, Like
Speaker 4: I wasn't I was like, it feels like they could
Speaker 4: be around, but I'm not sure. Like and when I
Speaker 4: was there too much earlier with Bart, remember I told
Speaker 4: you about we heard those really late knocks that as
Speaker 4: they moved the creak away from us, like really really
Speaker 4: subtle knocks, like they weren't knocking for us at all,
Speaker 4: that they were knocking so we couldn't hear them just
Speaker 4: for themselves as they moved away. So I was thinking, like, well,
Speaker 4: it's probably you know, I think this theres from what
Speaker 4: I can tell, is maybe a nursery type area. And
Speaker 4: so we went anyways, we left like one in the
Speaker 4: morning whatever, and then say at one thirty.
Speaker 6: About a half hour we left crack.
Speaker 4: He got on the audio when he went back the
Speaker 4: next morning and gather the audio, there was about a
Speaker 4: dozen different knocks, I mean solid knocks.
Speaker 6: And where he put the we were hiking.
Speaker 4: Out about a mile out whatever it was, say it
Speaker 4: was a mile, and where you're hiking a mile, stuff happens.
Speaker 4: And then near the where you start hiking at that
Speaker 4: is the other spot where we've had activity. But nothing
Speaker 4: in this like it's a dead zone for like you know,
Speaker 4: three quarters of a mile, there's nothing ever happens in
Speaker 4: there like ever. And he hung three recorders and the
Speaker 4: middle one was in the dead zone. And the knocking
Speaker 4: went on for I think he said twenty minutes or so.
Speaker 4: But the interesting thing was the last knock was like
Speaker 4: a power knock and it was right by the recorder.
Speaker 4: Like they came into this area that I thought they
Speaker 4: didn't come into, and they that was the last power knock.
Speaker 4: It was a full power knock near the recorder. So
Speaker 4: that was cool to know that they were problem. I mean,
Speaker 4: they may have came in after we left, but I
Speaker 4: think they were there the whole time and after we
Speaker 4: left they just did their thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe they're onto you. They like they kind of like, oh,
Speaker 5: these guys are going to hang out in the dark
Speaker 5: for a while, Like they've seen you enough. You're in there,
Speaker 5: you know fairly often they might know you personally by now,
Speaker 5: in which case they're onto you and they're just waiting
Speaker 5: for you to leave because that's what you usually do at.
Speaker 6: Some point, right Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 5: So our guest today is Doug Shay. He is a
Speaker 5: recent witness. He saw a sasquatch basically almost en route
Speaker 5: to a Sasquatch conference, which is crazy, but you know,
Speaker 5: weird things have happened, and so Doug, thank you very
Speaker 5: much for coming on Bigfoot and be on today and
Speaker 5: then being willing to share your story with us.
Speaker 2: That's Doug all doing well. Good to hear from y'all.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was. I was almost afraid to even
Speaker 2: report it at first because of the fact that it
Speaker 2: was so close to squatch Fest, but I'm glad we
Speaker 2: did because it sounds like it's been yielding some really
Speaker 2: good results.
Speaker 5: Well I get where you're coming from, because you know,
Speaker 5: back in the day, I saw something that was dark
Speaker 5: and upright with an arms swing and on my while
Speaker 5: being driven to the Texas Bigfoot Conference, And to this
Speaker 5: day I wonder if that was a sasquatch or not.
Speaker 5: But you know, obviously I don't know for sure. It
Speaker 5: was such a great distance. But also the fact that
Speaker 5: I was on my way to the Texas Bigfoot Conference
Speaker 5: and you know, with bigfooters in the front seat, I
Speaker 5: just kind of thought like no one would believe me anyway,
Speaker 5: So like whatever, man, So I totally get your hesitancy
Speaker 5: to bring this up, but I'm so glad you did well.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I knew that I could talk to you
Speaker 2: about it because and Carrie also were really glad that
Speaker 2: we were able to talk to you about the siding.
Speaker 2: And Todd was a little disappointed because he was down lower.
Speaker 2: But and it's funny because we weren't even going to
Speaker 2: end up in that area because we first tried the
Speaker 2: Mount Saint Helen's area first. But there was so much
Speaker 2: snow and it was just there was all kinds of
Speaker 2: road damage. I actually had a bad migraine that day,
Speaker 2: and it was on Thursday, so we're kind of glad.
Speaker 2: We decided we saw there was going to be no
Speaker 2: rain for about three or four hours, so we said,
Speaker 2: let's just jet on down into Oregon and see if
Speaker 2: we can stir up something.
Speaker 5: When you came up to my table at squatch Fest
Speaker 5: on Friday and you told me about it, I said,
Speaker 5: we saw a sasquatch, so what really? Really? Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: And I said, okay, well, where was this either some
Speaker 5: road crossing or something on the five or you know,
Speaker 5: or what was going on? And you you said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was up at you know, kind of in the
Speaker 5: area of Sandy Ridge Trail. And I go, oh, my God,
Speaker 5: that's right up the road from my home. You know,
Speaker 5: those are those are my bigfoots, so to speak. You know,
Speaker 5: those are the ones that probably cruise through my neighborhood occasionally,
Speaker 5: because you know, over the years on the podcast here,
Speaker 5: I've kind of mentioned when I think that sasquatches might
Speaker 5: have been nearby, you know, either scaring my wife inside
Speaker 5: or some knox or vocalizations that I've personally heard on
Speaker 5: my property, and I think, oh my gosh, those are
Speaker 5: probably the same ones. And I've done several, like numerous
Speaker 5: investigations obviously all up and down the ridge there just
Speaker 5: a little further up in Rhododendron. I think I've now
Speaker 5: investigated maybe four or six or more road crossing sidings
Speaker 5: on Highway twenty six. There's been stuff up on Lolo
Speaker 5: Pass Road forever, and those are that's all right there
Speaker 5: in the neighborhood. In fact, this is kind of kind
Speaker 5: of weird, I guess, and some for serendipoitous perhaps, But
Speaker 5: just today we acquired another part of another historical collection.
Speaker 5: The guy's still alive or whatever, and there's more to come,
Speaker 5: so I'll save all that until later at some point.
Speaker 5: But about two file boxes full of things like the
Speaker 5: track record and some photographs and personal correspondences from Peter
Speaker 5: Burrn because he was a good friend that Peter Burns,
Speaker 5: and all this other stuff. And I was kind of
Speaker 5: leafing through a lot of that stuff today getting it organized,
Speaker 5: and lo and behold, I ran across footprint finds and
Speaker 5: sightings and some other things, all from the Welches and
Speaker 5: lo Low Pass area, which is pretty much ground zero
Speaker 5: for your sighting. So yeah, that the history has been
Speaker 5: there for a long time and obviously still continues to
Speaker 5: this day. Well maybe not this day, but you know
Speaker 5: last week, which is pretty much this day, I think,
Speaker 5: sir to say. Yeah, So I was blown away when
Speaker 5: you said that, when you said the location, because you
Speaker 5: don't know where I live. You don't know anything about
Speaker 5: like the history of this area because you guys live
Speaker 5: in California. So when you said that, I was thrilled.
Speaker 5: And of course we went out there on Sunday with
Speaker 5: you as well. But now I've heard the story, I've
Speaker 5: been to the siding location with you, I've done the investigation,
Speaker 5: I've done all sorts of stuff up there. But Bobo,
Speaker 5: I don't think has heard it from your lips. So
Speaker 5: why don't you tell the audience and Bobo what transpired
Speaker 5: that day?
Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds great. Yeah, well, we had driven up Wednesday.
Speaker 2: We had actually gone to the NABC and had showed
Speaker 2: them one of the casts that we took, which we
Speaker 2: also showed you at the squatch Best. So Thursday, we thought,
Speaker 2: we got here day early, we're going to do a
Speaker 2: little squatching, and we originally were going to go up
Speaker 2: to Mount Saint Helen's and we're going to try to
Speaker 2: just find a spot. But it was two feet plus
Speaker 2: the snow. Everywhere you went. You couldn't hardly get off
Speaker 2: the road because of the snow plows, and it was
Speaker 2: raining the whole time, and so Todd said, why don't
Speaker 2: we head down? And I had a migraine that day too,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't feeling that good. So that's funny how
Speaker 2: things turn out like that. But anyway, Todd goes, hey,
Speaker 2: I noticed that the weather's breaking in Oregon around Mount
Speaker 2: Hood area, So why don't we just go down there?
Speaker 2: And we don't know the area, but we thought, well,
Speaker 2: let's just go up the highway there and just take
Speaker 2: a road and see what happened. So we went up
Speaker 2: further at first, but there was just way too much
Speaker 2: ice and snow, so we turned back and ended up
Speaker 2: in the area that you mentioned, and we noticed there
Speaker 2: was a place that you could park and there was
Speaker 2: a lock gate, and so we saw the road and
Speaker 2: we said, hey, let's just walk up this road. So
Speaker 2: we started walking up and we were doing some tree knocks.
Speaker 2: We didn't do any calls or anything. Well, we heard
Speaker 2: a knock. Carrie and Todd myself heard one knock, and
Speaker 2: then we got up i'd say a half mile or so,
Speaker 2: and we had left the car probably around two o'clock,
Speaker 2: and so we were up that road about a half
Speaker 2: mile or so, and all of a sudden, Carrie I
Speaker 2: was up in front of Carry. Carrie was in the middle,
Speaker 2: and Todd was down below. And we're up that road
Speaker 2: and there's a bend up there just ahead, and Carry goes,
Speaker 2: I just heard a tree knock, and both me and
Speaker 2: Todd go we didn't hear it. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he looked over to his left at the
Speaker 2: time he goes, do you guys see that? And I
Speaker 2: was just like looking around, and all the sudden I
Speaker 2: saw something just move upright, saw its arm swinging. It's
Speaker 2: kind of deep as far as brush there with the
Speaker 2: trees with the different forage down there, and there was
Speaker 2: snow on the ground too, But that thing moved faster,
Speaker 2: and I've seen anything move. And I saw its head,
Speaker 2: I saw its arms swaying. It didn't look at me,
Speaker 2: but Carrie said it actually was standing by a tree
Speaker 2: and they made eye contact and then it just took off,
Speaker 2: and so carry goes, did you see that? And I
Speaker 2: went and I hesitated because I was trying to just
Speaker 2: process in my mind what I was seeing, because I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, my goodness, I am seeing a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: And then I said, yes, I saw it. And Todd
Speaker 2: was a little bummed because he was a little lower,
Speaker 2: so he didn't have quite as good view where he
Speaker 2: was because that thing just moves so quick between the trees,
Speaker 2: and then it got lost because of all the different
Speaker 2: other foliage from some evergreen trees in the area. And
Speaker 2: so I saw it probably only it seemed like a
Speaker 2: decent amount of time, but it was probably only about
Speaker 2: two seconds. And it was tall, because I thought it
Speaker 2: was shorter till you were standing out there on Sunday.
Speaker 2: And then I realized how much bigger it was, so
Speaker 2: I'd say it had to be in the seven and
Speaker 2: a half to eight foot range based on being there
Speaker 2: that second time on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 5: Bobo will be right back after these messages. So three
Speaker 5: to six months doesn't seem like a long time right
Speaker 5: in bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've been
Speaker 5: looking for sasquatches for decades and decades and decades. But
Speaker 5: when you think about what can happen in three to
Speaker 5: six months, like, what would you do in three to
Speaker 5: six months? But I'm going to give me a six
Speaker 5: months go squatching squad of course, of course, and how
Speaker 5: much do you think is going to get done during
Speaker 5: that time in squatch? And you're going to see one
Speaker 5: in six months? Probably not, But in three to six months,
Speaker 5: what you can see if you're not going to see
Speaker 5: a sasquatch is thicker, fuller hair regrown from hymns our sponsor. Hymns.
Speaker 5: Not bad for just three to six months.
Speaker 7: What if you start using hymns now in six months,
Speaker 7: just imagine that thick, full crop up there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because hymns will give you a convenient access to
Speaker 5: a range of hair loss treatments that work, all from
Speaker 5: the comfort of your couch.
Speaker 7: They make it pretty simple, man. They use real doctors,
Speaker 7: it's clinically proven ingredients on they use like finesteride and monoxaville.
Speaker 5: And I love that. I had no doctor visits because
Speaker 5: first of all, doctors who wants to go see a doctor?
Speaker 5: Nothing personal doctors. But also you make an appointment now
Speaker 5: you get in August or something. Forget that. So this
Speaker 5: process is simple and one online and I know you
Speaker 5: have access to the internet because you're listening to us
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 7: You can pick how you want to do it, like chewbowles,
Speaker 7: oral spray treatments, whatever, whatever you want. I mean, they
Speaker 7: can work with you in customersage, with your preferences.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like it could be a one time thing, it could
Speaker 5: be ongoing care. No insurance is needed at all, and
Speaker 5: it's all at one low price and that covers everything
Speaker 5: from these treatments to the ongoing care if you so choose.
Speaker 7: Well, now, I said, the proofson the pudding, and there's
Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands of subscribers that trust it and you know,
Speaker 7: give it positive reviews.
Speaker 6: So there you go.
Speaker 5: There's your pudding, thick hairy pudding. Search your free online
Speaker 5: visit today at hymns dot com slash beyond.
Speaker 7: That's hi ms dot com slash beyond for your personalized
Speaker 7: hair loss treatment options.
Speaker 3: Hymns dot com slash beyond results vary based on studies
Speaker 3: of topical and oral monoxidal and finasteride Prescription products required
Speaker 3: an online consultation with a healthcare provider who will determine
Speaker 3: if prescription is appropriate. Restrictions apply. See website for full
Speaker 3: details and important safety information.
Speaker 5: Now, when you saw this going down, One of the
Speaker 5: questions I want to ask you, after thoroughly studying the event,
Speaker 5: by the way, is when you saw it running, could
Speaker 5: you hear it running?
Speaker 2: No? I couldn't hear it running. It was just gliding.
Speaker 2: I mean I heard something you heard rustling that It
Speaker 2: wasn't like a loud like it's loud sound, And I
Speaker 2: think it's probably because the snow was helping to lower
Speaker 2: the percussion of it. And I was just amazed on
Speaker 2: how I've never seen anything move so fast.
Speaker 4: How far were you from it? And like how how
Speaker 4: long a distance you think it covered? You see it
Speaker 4: go for twenty yards or forty yards or.
Speaker 2: I think it covered probably twenty to forty yards, and
Speaker 2: we were approximately i'd say thirty yards from where we
Speaker 2: saw it. We were pretty close.
Speaker 6: That's close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was close.
Speaker 5: Actually I measured it when I've gone back there twice
Speaker 5: since I last saw you. The distance from where I
Speaker 5: met where the footprints were found and the road was
Speaker 5: sixty yard.
Speaker 2: Yards Okay, sixty yards Okay, a.
Speaker 5: Little bit more of sixty three or something like that,
Speaker 5: but it was about between sixty sixty five yards.
Speaker 2: Well, that helps explain it, because man, you know, when
Speaker 2: you look at see I'm not a very good judge
Speaker 2: of distance when it comes out being in the woods,
Speaker 2: and that just shows right there, because to me it
Speaker 2: looked like pretty close. But sixty yards that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. I'm glad you got that. That's
Speaker 2: another reason I want to start measuring things and doing
Speaker 2: things so that we can get really accurate. So sixty
Speaker 2: yards still close though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well you know what, I'm part of the thing,
Speaker 5: and I've been thinking about this kind of a lot,
Speaker 5: and I'm when we went out there on Sunday. Okay,
Speaker 5: so let's back up a little bit. At squatch Fest,
Speaker 5: you told me about this stuff, and I'm thinking, of
Speaker 5: course you saw a sasquatch. When I have a working
Speaker 5: obligation for the next two days and I can't get
Speaker 5: out there, that's the way things go. That's out. That's
Speaker 5: Murphy's law, which is why Murphy is called Murphy in
Speaker 5: our Bigfoot Museum. Something's always going wrong. Great opportunity, and
Speaker 5: I've got to work and shake hands and talk to
Speaker 5: people and stuff like that instead of going out to
Speaker 5: the woods. So anyway, when we got out there on Sunday,
Speaker 5: of course Matt and Emily prut they were guests at
Speaker 5: my home, so they came out with us. And of course,
Speaker 5: how cool is that to come out and you know,
Speaker 5: I'm visiting, visiting Oregon and I get to go on
Speaker 5: a sasquatch you know investigation that happened two or three
Speaker 5: days ago. That's pretty cool. But so anyway, we met
Speaker 5: you at eleven o'clock on Sunday morning after coming home
Speaker 5: from Longview and went up there and when you put
Speaker 5: me in the place that you thought it was, it
Speaker 5: was a lot closer. Well, the place you put me
Speaker 5: was closer than where the animal actually was. And we
Speaker 5: know that because we found footprints further back, So when
Speaker 5: you said you were guessing it was thirty yards or
Speaker 5: so in the woods, that was you probably put me
Speaker 5: at thirty or forty yards. And then nothing was there.
Speaker 5: So we looked around and we identified the trackway, we
Speaker 5: cut the trail. Basically, we found the track, so where
Speaker 5: the thing was running. I think I may have found
Speaker 5: the area where it was actually staying when the first
Speaker 5: visual carry I think saw it first. I think we
Speaker 5: found that area because there's a big push down area
Speaker 5: in the ferns where there's a little bit of snow
Speaker 5: still and all that jazz. You guys actually found the
Speaker 5: first track in the snow, which I thought was really
Speaker 5: cool as well. But what struck me is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: usually the witness puts me in the wrong spot first,
Speaker 5: and very often it's actually closer to the witness than
Speaker 5: the sasquatch was actually standing. And I've been kind of
Speaker 5: contemplating that, and I think the reason for that is
Speaker 5: because they're big animals, and they look like they're closer
Speaker 5: because they're so big. But because this is a pretty
Speaker 5: big sasquatch. You said seven and a half eight feet tall.
Speaker 5: The footprints measured about fifteen inches, you know, so at
Speaker 5: least fourteen and a half, probably in the fifteen inch range,
Speaker 5: give or take a little bit, based on the you know,
Speaker 5: numerous tracks that we found in the ground. So that
Speaker 5: kind of occurred to me. It's like, oh, yeah, of
Speaker 5: course they're going to put me closer than the actual
Speaker 5: Sasquatch because you know.
Speaker 2: They're you know, pipsqueak.
Speaker 5: Little Cliff, who's five foot eight is a lot smaller
Speaker 5: than that sasquatch is, and they're going to think that
Speaker 5: the Sasquatch is closer because they're so big.
Speaker 2: You know, that makes perfect sense. And I'm just really
Speaker 2: glad that, you know, we were looking back and thinking
Speaker 2: maybe we should have looked at the snowprints, but it
Speaker 2: was like four o'clock in the afternoon and we had
Speaker 2: to get back to our hotel and long View, And
Speaker 2: I'm kind of glad due to the fact that our
Speaker 2: research capabilities are not up to your level at this point,
Speaker 2: though we're learning we might have just like destroyed the
Speaker 2: whole trackway. So I'm so glad we in a way.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only drawback was the fact that it
Speaker 2: decided to pour for three days, so it probably damaged
Speaker 2: some of the tracks a little but no, that was
Speaker 2: you know, I never expected I'd see it, but it
Speaker 2: was amazing.
Speaker 5: If you had gone out there to investigate the snow prints,
Speaker 5: you may have run into something unexpected because what we
Speaker 5: found is from the place where you guys said you
Speaker 5: saw it, it was running to your left. Okay, now
Speaker 5: tracking that a little bit towards the hill where you
Speaker 5: said that it was running towards another fifty sixty I
Speaker 5: don't know. I'm not very good at distance, so probably
Speaker 5: another maybe i'll say sixty or eighty yards or so,
Speaker 5: maybe one hundred, I don't know. In that direction I
Speaker 5: lost its trail. I have no idea where it went.
Speaker 5: But the last thing I found, and you saw this,
Speaker 5: and Matt Prue and Emily's Prude as all they saw
Speaker 5: this as well. The thing sat down that it did
Speaker 5: not leave the area immediately, at least I've certainly left
Speaker 5: the area eventually. But it did not leave the area immediately.
Speaker 5: Because we found the place in the ferns where the
Speaker 5: thing put its butt down. We didn't find a butt print,
Speaker 5: but we did find two actually three hand prints to
Speaker 5: the left and right of where all these ferns were
Speaker 5: pushed down. There was one on the right hand side
Speaker 5: and two on the left hand side. Now, some of
Speaker 5: you might be saying, wait, sasquatches don't have three hands. Well,
Speaker 5: you know one hand can touch the ground twice, right,
Speaker 5: So yeah, So there were three handprints, two in the
Speaker 5: left and one of the right of where the ferns
Speaker 5: were pushed down, indicating that the thing probably sat down
Speaker 5: next to this log in the ferns. So the thing
Speaker 5: might have been there just waiting for you to leave
Speaker 5: that if you had gone out in the snow to
Speaker 5: look at the footprints, you may have come across a
Speaker 5: little bit more than you bargained for.
Speaker 2: Well, that is good information. No, I'm really glad that
Speaker 2: occasionally we might listen to our inner self and saying,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not a good idea to go in there.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we didn't.
Speaker 6: A great idea. That's exactly you know, you want to
Speaker 6: go in there.
Speaker 5: Well, that's something that's something for us to consider. Like
Speaker 5: if anybody out there listening or you know, us here blabbing,
Speaker 5: if any of us see a sasquatch, like just throwing
Speaker 5: an idea out there. So we have a using a
Speaker 5: scientific method here, we have a little bit of data
Speaker 5: that the thing sat down. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 5: it's safe to assume for Morton, maybe a few seconds
Speaker 5: or maybe a few minutes. Who knows how long. We
Speaker 5: don't know, but we do know it sat down. What
Speaker 5: if that is a normal behavior for sasquatches after they're observed,
Speaker 5: like they leave, they presumably leave the area and then
Speaker 5: sit down again. Remember, according to doctor Grover Krantz in
Speaker 5: his book Bob Tittmans tracked Patty after Roger and Bob
Speaker 5: saw the thing, and what did it do? It left
Speaker 5: the area and then immediately circled down again and sat
Speaker 5: down and watched Roger and Bob cast the prince or
Speaker 5: do whatever they are doing on the sandbar that day. Well,
Speaker 5: this animal, this animal split and ran off to the
Speaker 5: to your left, you know, towards the hill, and then
Speaker 5: sat down.
Speaker 6: How far was it?
Speaker 5: It sat down about sixty yards sixty seventy yards or
Speaker 5: more or something like that. That's it. Yeah, So what
Speaker 5: if this is normal sasquatch behavior. When people think that
Speaker 5: the sasquatch has left the area, they usually do too,
Speaker 5: because they're shaken up and a little scared at the time.
Speaker 5: But what if that's not happening.
Speaker 6: But Patty went for like a couple of miles.
Speaker 5: No, she didn't. She went a few hundred yards and
Speaker 5: went up the hill, well on that rock face where
Speaker 5: Bob tracked her down the hill or up the river
Speaker 5: and then up the rock face. And then that's where
Speaker 5: he stopped and turned around and went back to Roger.
Speaker 5: And then the thing went up at one hundred and
Speaker 5: seventy five yards from where Roger and Bob were and
Speaker 5: watched them. According to Bob Timmas and Bob Gimlin's account.
Speaker 4: I thought she went up like half a mile and
Speaker 4: cut up, or I think came back like a quarter
Speaker 4: mile and was overviewing him or something like that.
Speaker 5: Bob Gimlin said that he tracked her but by on
Speaker 5: the wet footprints on the rocks up the Bowling Alley
Speaker 5: north of the Patterson Gablin film site, to a rock
Speaker 5: wall that she scaled directly up, having gone up and
Speaker 5: down there several times. There's only one option for that
Speaker 5: that I'm aware of, at least, and it is about,
Speaker 5: I don't know, three hundred yards up up the you know,
Speaker 5: I'm guessing again. Distance is a little weird for me,
Speaker 5: but it's way it's before the turn up by Scorpion Creek.
Speaker 5: But the point is it left the area until she
Speaker 5: felt safe and then scooted it around. But what But again,
Speaker 5: data point of only two isn't much to go on.
Speaker 5: But I'm just putting that out there. What if this
Speaker 5: is normal sasquatch behavior, maybe we as witnesses and researchers
Speaker 5: are missing an opportunity to see the thing again.
Speaker 6: I think I think they always do that. I've always
Speaker 6: thought they just they don't just take off for miles.
Speaker 4: They just go till they're safe, and then they observe
Speaker 4: again because they're observers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but this thing was not very far so anyway,
Speaker 5: pretty pretty interesting stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sixty hours, that's nothing.
Speaker 2: That's powerful information that has been unlocked.
Speaker 5: It's speculation, to be fair, it's just speculation at this point.
Speaker 5: But it's an interesting thing to check. You know, if
Speaker 5: somebody has the guts to follow the sasquatch a little
Speaker 5: bit away from where they observed it, maybe they'd find
Speaker 5: the things sitting there, hiding there, waiting for you to
Speaker 5: go away. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense because deer even do that type
Speaker 2: of behavior. I've noticed a lot of times deer will
Speaker 2: go a certain distance and stop and look around. So
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be surprising that sasquatch would do something like
Speaker 2: that too, because it probably figures we're out of its
Speaker 2: sight and it can just kind of regroup, and that
Speaker 2: is really good information. And it was hidden so well
Speaker 2: in that area too, So well, Bobo, I think I
Speaker 2: will in the future try your method.
Speaker 4: I don't always do that, but I just know that
Speaker 4: you're here, take off, you know, and then they just stop,
Speaker 4: like there's just not another sound. But I know that
Speaker 4: they can slip away like see, you don't know if
Speaker 4: they're there or not, because there's they can go so
Speaker 4: silent mode. But sometimes you hear like crush, crunch, crush,
Speaker 4: and they go off a distance and then they just
Speaker 4: there's just no more noise, like there's just they're sitting there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but I don't think that. I don't think
Speaker 4: they run for miles. I think they just go to
Speaker 4: their safe they feel like, okay, I can watch. I
Speaker 4: can say if they look from here, see what happens?
Speaker 5: What No when you guys after you guys saw, I'm curious,
Speaker 5: put yourself back in that place where you're you observe
Speaker 5: the thing running from right to left. This a few
Speaker 5: moments passed and you're you're probably it's one of those
Speaker 5: like holy crap sort of moments. Right, What did you
Speaker 5: do immediately afterwards? Because this has bearing on sasquatch behavior
Speaker 5: at this point, So what were what were you guys
Speaker 5: doing immediately seconds and for the next few minutes after
Speaker 5: seeing the animal.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we just kind of discussed it
Speaker 2: a little bit, like Carrie and I were talking and
Speaker 2: Tom was going, I didn't see it, and so then
Speaker 2: we walked We ended up walking up a little further. Actually,
Speaker 2: we walked up a little further around the bend, and
Speaker 2: then we said, hey, it's getting later because it was
Speaker 2: going to start raining again and we knew we had
Speaker 2: to make it up to long View, and so we
Speaker 2: just started walking down the trail again. And I was
Speaker 2: constantly looking over to my right now since we were
Speaker 2: going down the trail and they were too, and I'm
Speaker 2: just hoping that it would be flushed out some more.
Speaker 5: But there was nothing interesting. Okay, yeah, so maybe it's set.
Speaker 5: I mean I wish, of course, you can't tell how
Speaker 5: long something was there, unfortunately, but sure would like to
Speaker 5: know how long it watched, you guys for because it
Speaker 5: didn't run very far unless you know, there's another possibility
Speaker 5: that crossed my mind when I was out there looking
Speaker 5: at sign, unless there was another one there. We don't
Speaker 5: know that.
Speaker 2: So I think too the fact that when we got
Speaker 2: there Sunday and Matt found that Elk carcass too, and
Speaker 2: there was a lot and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: deer there too, as like it seemed like prime habitat.
Speaker 2: And so maybe that's another reason I didn't want to leave,
Speaker 2: because it liked its ground that it had staked there.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't know their behavior well enough,
Speaker 2: but yeah, and it's so ironic because here we're in
Speaker 2: northern California, getting closer and closer to some in our
Speaker 2: area based on just the ativity we're having, and it
Speaker 2: was so ironic, of all places I saw it in Oregon.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So, so how long would you estimate after
Speaker 5: the sighting were you in the area after so you
Speaker 5: walked up a little further, you came back. Here's some
Speaker 5: discussion obviously, how many minutes do you think you were
Speaker 5: actually in the area.
Speaker 2: Probably close to thirty minutes, And we were just looking
Speaker 2: around and because we went up a little further and
Speaker 2: we would talk about it, and then we started walking
Speaker 2: down stop, look to our right, look for anything else,
Speaker 2: trying to hear noises. We didn't do any more tree
Speaker 2: knocks after that. We didn't hear anything, but and then
Speaker 2: eventually we made our way back down the hill and
Speaker 2: jumped into our vehicle and we were Actually it's kind
Speaker 2: of funny because when we drove by the NABC, we
Speaker 2: saw a bunch of cars there and Todd goes, hey,
Speaker 2: should we report it? And I go, now, I look
Speaker 2: at all those cars. Plus I don't feel that good.
Speaker 2: We can just talk to them at squatch Fest. And
Speaker 2: little did we know until later that Meldrum was there.
Speaker 2: And so that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was January twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. We
Speaker 5: had an event here at the NABC. I was here, obviously,
Speaker 5: and doctor Meldrim was here, and so was Michael Freeman
Speaker 5: and Tom Powell and Ken Gerhardt and Matt and Emily Pruitt.
Speaker 5: All sorts of folks were here, just all sorts of people.
Speaker 5: And if you would have come, it would have been
Speaker 5: very disruptive to our evening. I guarantee that, because they said,
Speaker 5: all right, everybody go home. We're going to uprom the
Speaker 5: Hill right now. So in a way, I'm kind of
Speaker 5: glad you didn't come, because we would, you know, would
Speaker 5: have destroyed the entire evening. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
Speaker 5: and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back
Speaker 5: after these messages.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get a little more description of what
Speaker 4: you saw. I like, color patterns, hair leang facial features,
Speaker 4: like the broadness of it, like a muscle definition, all
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, for me, it was kind of funny because Carrie,
Speaker 2: I said, what did it look like? And he goes, well,
Speaker 2: it was a really distinct brown with white. He saw
Speaker 2: some white like I don't know if it was on
Speaker 2: its chin, because he said it actually was standing by
Speaker 2: that tree and they made eye contact and so and
Speaker 2: I said, well, I looked at it as more like
Speaker 2: a reddish brown. But he found he started going through
Speaker 2: the internet and found a picture of one that's obviously
Speaker 2: an artist depiction. He goes, this is what I saw,
Speaker 2: and I go, you know, a long hairy because like
Speaker 2: I saw the hair hanging on its arm when it
Speaker 2: was moving, and I mean, it was just darting through
Speaker 2: those trees. I've never seen anything so quick. It's kind
Speaker 2: of a like a brown, a lighter brown that maybe
Speaker 2: was aging. I don't know, but I once we looked
Speaker 2: at a picture that he'd show me to go that's
Speaker 2: what I saw. So I saw its hair. I didn't
Speaker 2: really see its legs too well because it was moving
Speaker 2: so fast and because of the foliage the way it's
Speaker 2: set up. It was probably up to its knee or
Speaker 2: something or less. And then I saw its head from
Speaker 2: the side. It never looked at me, but it definitely
Speaker 2: had broad shoulders, long hair, and then I just saw
Speaker 2: that arm moving really quick and it was just gone
Speaker 2: in a flash. It It's so weird how your mind
Speaker 2: when you see something like that and you're just like
Speaker 2: trying to basically, Okay, what am I seeing. That's not
Speaker 2: a deer. I've seen a million deer hopping through the woods.
Speaker 2: That's not an elk. I've seen elk in the woods.
Speaker 2: It's not a bear. That is an upright creature moving swiftly.
Speaker 2: It just moved quicker than I expected. But I did
Speaker 2: get a good side view of it, and it had
Speaker 2: hair I would say probably in the range of six
Speaker 2: inches maybe a little longer than that. It had definitely
Speaker 2: a coned head, big head into broad shoulders, and I
Speaker 2: just saw that arm moving quickly and it was gone
Speaker 2: before I hardly could even just what my mind just saw.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad CARRY got a straight on view. And
Speaker 2: that's why when he said did you see that? And
Speaker 2: I hesitated, he was like worried no one else saw
Speaker 2: it because he lost it after it saw him. It
Speaker 2: just took off and he couldn't find it again. But
Speaker 2: fortunately I was up about probably thirty feet forty feet,
Speaker 2: so I had a really good view, better view of
Speaker 2: what of those woods over there that were to our
Speaker 2: left at that time. It was kind of my left
Speaker 2: right because I was kind of starting to look at
Speaker 2: it just take off through those trees, and I've just
Speaker 2: you know, they always say they're almost like gliding there
Speaker 2: so quick. That's that's what I would describe it, going
Speaker 2: in betawse between the trees, and I mean, I think
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of noise, but I think
Speaker 2: I was so focused on what I was seeing, I
Speaker 2: didn't even my auditory brain weays were not even just
Speaker 2: paying attention to the noise that was going on, because
Speaker 2: it just it's it's just weird when you actually see
Speaker 2: something like this and you're going like, wow, am I
Speaker 2: seeing what I'm seeing? But I knew what it was.
Speaker 2: There's nothing no animal I've ever seen done has done that,
Speaker 2: and I'm out. I'm a very outdoors person. I've seen
Speaker 2: so many bears in my life and other creatures in
Speaker 2: the wilderness, even seen a couple of mountain lions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was none of those. It was definitely a sasquatch
Speaker 2: and so kind of shakes you to your foundations when
Speaker 2: you see something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny. You're going to shock.
Speaker 4: Like you're talking before, Like your brain goes like a
Speaker 4: really quick rollot decks like.
Speaker 6: Like what am I looking at it?
Speaker 4: You go through like all the animals super quick, like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no bear or no, well no, dear it just and
Speaker 4: then you're like, oh, like it just comes to me like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I just saw a freaking squatch.
Speaker 2: YEP, it was kind of funny. A friend of ours
Speaker 2: had some pictures like a few days later when we
Speaker 2: returned from the squatch fest, and he goes, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: funny how people will say you misidentified it. He goes,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a little experiment with you. And
Speaker 2: you had some pictures on a on a thing. He says,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to show you and turn it around
Speaker 2: and see if you can identify it. And he did
Speaker 2: it to me, and I identified every one of them
Speaker 2: in just that flash. So there's no misidentification here. You know,
Speaker 2: your brain process it very quickly. But yeah, I liked
Speaker 2: your explanation. Like a rolodex. That's just your mind is
Speaker 2: just going like what am I seeing? This is crazy
Speaker 2: because it just doesn't fit, doesn't fit what you expect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know what might shake your cage a
Speaker 5: little harder. Think about how fast you saw the animal running. Okay,
Speaker 5: you've stated so several times at you were just kind
Speaker 5: of astonished. I guess at how quickly it moved. Okay. Now,
Speaker 5: there have been track finds that have a step length.
Speaker 5: A step, of course, is left to right or right
Speaker 5: to left, whereas a stride is from right to right
Speaker 5: or left to left. It's slightly different nomenclature here. There
Speaker 5: have been track finds with a step length of nine
Speaker 5: or ten feet or so, you know, give or take
Speaker 5: a little bit, which is you know what one hundred
Speaker 5: and twenty inches. Right, The average step length that I
Speaker 5: found in the trackway out there at your siding location
Speaker 5: was about fifty two inches. So it wasn't even running,
Speaker 5: you know, so I consider that it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 5: all an ass wow. Yeah, So that if that doesn't
Speaker 5: shake your cage, I don't know what would. So you
Speaker 5: might have seen this scene going fifteen miles an hour
Speaker 5: or more, which is pretty fast for something in the woods,
Speaker 5: you know, but it they're capable of much much faster
Speaker 5: than that, especially with such long step lengths. So most
Speaker 5: of the tracks that we found were about fifteen or
Speaker 5: i'm sorry, fifty two or so inches apart, give or
Speaker 5: take a little bit. That that's what we were using
Speaker 5: for the tracking stick length is fifty two inches, and
Speaker 5: that's how we found most of the tracks. So even
Speaker 5: after you saw it, you know, and of course there
Speaker 5: were some areas in there where we didn't pick up tracks.
Speaker 5: The thing about this trackway like from the very as
Speaker 5: far back as we can track it to the very
Speaker 5: last place that we know that it was, it was.
Speaker 5: I did the measurement so on my GPS, I don't
Speaker 5: have the number, but I bet it was about one
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty or so yards, maybe one hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty two hundred yards at the most, So it probably
Speaker 5: ran just for a little ways, and there were there
Speaker 5: were three or four tracks in a row, maybe two
Speaker 5: or three because you saw me like, oh, here's the track,
Speaker 5: and I pointed, there's one, and there's one. That kind
Speaker 5: of stuff. We'd find two or three in a row.
Speaker 5: Then we'd lose it, lose it for a little ways,
Speaker 5: and then pick it up again a little further away.
Speaker 5: So maybe it was running, maybe did run the whole way.
Speaker 5: We don't really know. We don't really know, but we
Speaker 5: were using fifty two inches on the track and stick
Speaker 5: to find consecutive tracks. So when you compare that to
Speaker 5: you know, like you know, one hundred or one hundred
Speaker 5: and twenty inches, that's pretty nuts.
Speaker 2: That is wow. Just from what I'm hearing in the
Speaker 2: research you've done after. It just shows you are unlocking
Speaker 2: I think some really important things that we need to
Speaker 2: think about in the future when we're looking for these.
Speaker 2: I think we don't we haven't scratched the surface obviously,
Speaker 2: and just what the capabilities of these I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess North American apes is what I would describe
Speaker 2: a sasquatch as but that is amazing.
Speaker 5: I wish that we had a really terrible storm a
Speaker 5: few weeks ago, and the further back I track this thing,
Speaker 5: the more obscured the possible prints became, to the point
Speaker 5: where under the trees there was there was like legit
Speaker 5: like an inch or more of furboughs and whatnot from
Speaker 5: the dug firs that in the area and whatnot, and
Speaker 5: the leaf flitter was everywhere. Anyway, It's terrible. It's hard
Speaker 5: track in this thing. And I'm not a good tracker,
Speaker 5: so I mean, there's probably sign out there that I miss,
Speaker 5: of course, But when you went back under the tree
Speaker 5: canopy where this thing came from, it came from the
Speaker 5: direction of the river, as near as I can figure,
Speaker 5: at least the first track in the trackway was indicating
Speaker 5: that if we didn't have that storm, I may have
Speaker 5: been able to track it back even further. But the
Speaker 5: ground was largely obscured under the furbows that had dropped. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I wish that wasn't the case, but it is so.
Speaker 5: But you know, one of those things.
Speaker 6: Did any fingers Some of those handprints.
Speaker 5: These handprints have yes and no, it was largely in
Speaker 5: leaf litter, you know. So that's the problem, and a
Speaker 5: lot of the research areas I've been working there is
Speaker 5: a good layer of leaf litter. Unfortunately, those alder trees
Speaker 5: drop all those big leaves, and sometimes you can see
Speaker 5: the impressions in the leaf litter, and then you remove
Speaker 5: the leaves and then like there's space under the leaves
Speaker 5: and that it didn't impress into the ground as well.
Speaker 5: So actually, I've been doing some experiments where I've been
Speaker 5: casting on leaf litter sometimes and then I've been casting
Speaker 5: after I remove the leaf litter to see if any
Speaker 5: indentations happen in the ground. And I'm not sure which
Speaker 5: way is any better at this point, because when you
Speaker 5: pour plaster on top of leaf litter, there's cracks in
Speaker 5: a leaf litter, and it fills in the space underneath,
Speaker 5: and a lot of times it just ruins any sort
Speaker 5: of definition that might be there. These particular casts, the
Speaker 5: three handprints, one of them is awful. You can't make
Speaker 5: heads or tails out of it. The other two are
Speaker 5: kind of interesting. The right hand side, the right hand
Speaker 5: literally the right hand when I poured it in, there
Speaker 5: a lot of the plaster leaked through the leaf litter
Speaker 5: and kind of made this big blob underneath, but you
Speaker 5: can see hints of where the see indications of where
Speaker 5: the fingers were above it. The other one was interesting
Speaker 5: and it was much closer to the soil, so it's
Speaker 5: actually a little bit better casts. But unfortunately, what happened
Speaker 5: on that one is I poured it. I poured it
Speaker 5: on top of I cleared off the loose leaf litter
Speaker 5: and where I thought it was in contact with the ground,
Speaker 5: I poured plaster on that and some did leak through.
Speaker 5: But you know what happened. The plaster went into a
Speaker 5: mole tunnel, you know, like the rod the moles, you know,
Speaker 5: like it filled up a mole tunnel. So I have
Speaker 5: like like a plaster can of this mole burrow underneath
Speaker 5: where the handprint was.
Speaker 6: So it's a handle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you would think that like the pressure of the
Speaker 5: hand would have crushed the moleborough, but it's just not
Speaker 5: the case.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 5: But that was also the hand that was further away
Speaker 5: from like from where the animal was sitting presumably sitting,
Speaker 5: So maybe that was just a touch on the ground
Speaker 5: real fast and not a lot of pressure happened there.
Speaker 5: I don't really know. But what's interesting is that that
Speaker 5: cast has almost like a two story sort of thing,
Speaker 5: like a two layer effect on it. The mole burrow
Speaker 5: is one layer, and then on the other layer, like
Speaker 5: closer to the surface, you can actually see the fingers.
Speaker 5: So you can see fingers in that one, but you
Speaker 5: don't get a good palm because the burrowing of the animal. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: the mole was underneath it. But got I believe that
Speaker 5: the hands were about eight inches wide, so they were
Speaker 5: right in there what we'd expect. I suspect, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I suspect this is probably a male. I didn't you
Speaker 5: know it's a fifteen inch print. I think most male
Speaker 5: footprints are between fifteen and sixteen inches long. I think
Speaker 5: the seventeens are rare or slide in and outs, or
Speaker 5: that the you know, distortions of the impression itself. So
Speaker 5: I think, based on the eyewitness description and the footprints,
Speaker 5: that this thing was a male. But I could be wrong.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know much about these animals.
Speaker 5: I just try to like to learn about them.
Speaker 2: I think we're learning more though. You uncovered a lot
Speaker 2: of history there that if you hadn't searched this find,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't know well.
Speaker 5: And I so appreciate you bringing us to the location.
Speaker 5: But whenever, and this is something for the researchers out there,
Speaker 5: I guess, including you, because you're a researcher, Doug, that
Speaker 5: when you go to a siding location with the witness,
Speaker 5: do everything you can while you're there, but go back
Speaker 5: later without the witness, and it's nothing weird. And I'm
Speaker 5: not saying you're a pretty suspicious, shady guy, Doug. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that at all. I'm saying that sometimes, you know,
Speaker 5: you learn what you can from the witness and then
Speaker 5: go without them and learn what you can without the
Speaker 5: witness there. Because we didn't backtrack it when you and
Speaker 5: I were there together with the pro. We backtracked it
Speaker 5: the next day when Keith and I went out there together.
Speaker 5: And if you can, if you can find more information
Speaker 5: without the presence of the witness, you can be fairly
Speaker 5: sure that the witness knows nothing about it, you know.
Speaker 5: And I don't doubt for a second that you saw
Speaker 5: sasquatch because there were footprints everywhere, you know. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just one of those things, you know. But finding
Speaker 5: stuff without the presence of the witness, without the witnesses
Speaker 5: knowledge that that stuff is there, that adds an entirely
Speaker 5: new layer of authenticity to the encounter. And so I
Speaker 5: recommend every sasquatch investigator, Yeah, go there with the witness,
Speaker 5: learn what you can, and then go there later without
Speaker 5: the witness to see what you can figure out. I
Speaker 5: went there twice without you. I've been to the site
Speaker 5: three times now, coming back with casts every single time
Speaker 5: because this is a wonderful opportunity to learn a little
Speaker 5: bit about the local bigfoots in the neighborhood. Stay tuned
Speaker 5: for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll
Speaker 5: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you've found those things, because you know,
Speaker 2: when you have a siding and you know you had it,
Speaker 2: but there's still that part of you like, Okay, was
Speaker 2: my mind just running wild or something, you know, because
Speaker 2: it just it kind of it's like you see yourself
Speaker 2: in a different state, you know, when stuff like that happens,
Speaker 2: and to have you go back and find even more,
Speaker 2: it just it's just like, Wow, I'm just so glad
Speaker 2: we told you because you're unlocking more information that we
Speaker 2: need to know about these creatures and why it's so
Speaker 2: imperative that we find it, so people just don't, you know,
Speaker 2: render it harm as some seem to want to do.
Speaker 5: I think we're lucky to find anything. I mean, you
Speaker 5: know how hard it rained up at Longview apparently did
Speaker 5: the same thing down here. So the rain was just
Speaker 5: dumping for two days basically, Peter, you know you saw
Speaker 5: it on Thursday. We were there on Sunday, Saturday. It
Speaker 5: was Friday and Saturday just dumped down here apparently, So
Speaker 5: we're lucky to have found anything at all. Of Course,
Speaker 5: the snow was all gone by the time we got there,
Speaker 5: or more or less gone. We did find that one
Speaker 5: print in the snow with the big toe and all
Speaker 5: that jazz. But I think we're lucky to have found anything,
Speaker 5: So thank you so much for reporting it so quickly
Speaker 5: and letting us have the opper to get out there
Speaker 5: before time. Erosion in the weather took care of all
Speaker 5: the data that could have been gathered that we did
Speaker 5: gather at the site.
Speaker 2: Absolutely cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking forward to go down here because I
Speaker 4: live like twenty mins from these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobs, we're gonna definitely plan on maybe not this weekend,
Speaker 2: but I think possibly the next weekend on a Saturday,
Speaker 2: where we're going to try to get up there, so
Speaker 2: we'll see if we can. We'll give you a heads
Speaker 2: up on it and we'll plan. Todd's all ready to
Speaker 2: take us in his truck and we'll head up and
Speaker 2: see what we can find.
Speaker 6: Well, I know, I no, thanks for coming on board.
Speaker 6: That's a cool story.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you got that setting, and I'm glad you
Speaker 4: got Cliff involved and you got some casts and it's
Speaker 4: like that's a productive setting.
Speaker 6: It came up with some results and part evidence.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just glad that we were I'm glad Todd
Speaker 2: talked us into going earlier so that we had a
Speaker 2: chance to do that. And it was really nice meeting
Speaker 2: Matt Emily Pruitt too. They're definitely hardcore squatches, you know.
Speaker 2: It's just nice to be in the community and get
Speaker 2: to know the different ones. And like you had mentioned,
Speaker 2: I know, we're wrapping this up, but I really appreciated,
Speaker 2: you know, Mike Freeman's story and that that was amazing
Speaker 2: just hearing the history of what he went through and
Speaker 2: all the findings It's just just seems like we're getting
Speaker 2: closer to helping people to realize this isn't just a fantasy,
Speaker 2: it's reality.
Speaker 5: It's hard to imagine a squatch your weekend than the
Speaker 5: one you experienced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure, and I wanted to keep come
Speaker 2: common though.
Speaker 5: Well, actually it kind of has. On Friday, when I
Speaker 5: was up there alone, you know, casting the hand Prince
Speaker 5: and whatnot. On the way back up the car, I
Speaker 5: got a call from a good friend of mine who
Speaker 5: saw two sasquatches at the research location that I frequent. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: my weekend didn't stop with your stuff. My weekend's been
Speaker 5: going on for two weeks now and it's been crazy.
Speaker 5: I actually hope somebody doesn't see a sasquatch this week
Speaker 5: so I can have two days off in a row.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 5: Doug, thank you so much for coming on and sharing
Speaker 5: your story with us and the listeners. We really really
Speaker 5: do appreciate it. I can't tell you how thankful I
Speaker 5: am that you shared your story with me that Friday
Speaker 5: night at squatch Fest and allowing me to opportunity to
Speaker 5: gather information on the local sasquatches that are sometimes probably
Speaker 5: literally in my backyard. That really means a lot to me.
Speaker 5: And as I get these casts cleaned off, I mean,
Speaker 5: they're not pretty, but they're legit.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: There's some toes in these things. We have a little
Speaker 5: bit of information about this animal and to my knowledge, well,
Speaker 5: and let me say this, there apparently there have been
Speaker 5: other footprint casts taken on the ridge before going through
Speaker 5: the historic information this past week. Since you're siding, there's
Speaker 5: whispers of other casts that were taken in the general area.
Speaker 5: I have never seen one of them, so to me,
Speaker 5: this sighting is very very special, not only because these
Speaker 5: might be actually the bigfoots that are around my neighborhood,
Speaker 5: but also this represents the first time we're taking a
Speaker 5: look at some of these footprints of the animals there.
Speaker 5: And this is this is ground zero. This is where
Speaker 5: we start the interesting stuff. This isn't the question of
Speaker 5: if bigfoots are real are of no interest to me.
Speaker 5: I want to know how they live, and by tracking
Speaker 5: them is the only way to do it. And this
Speaker 5: is the first piece of data that I have in
Speaker 5: my possession that I can use for future reference if
Speaker 5: another trackway happens out there at lo Low Pass or something,
Speaker 5: or by Lost Lake or one of these places, I
Speaker 5: can say, Okay, is it the same animal that Doug
Speaker 5: and the guys saw back in January of twenty four
Speaker 5: and then I can compare the cast and that's where
Speaker 5: the real interesting stuff starts happening. So I want to
Speaker 5: thank you very much for helping me start my data
Speaker 5: sets on that particular ridge.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you Cliff, and thank you Bobo, and thank
Speaker 2: you Matt. Just looking forward to doing a lot more
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 6: Awesome, all right, Doug.
Speaker 4: Well, looking forward to getting out there and hoping your
Speaker 4: good luck even having all these discoveries, I hope it
Speaker 4: runs off of me when I go with you guys,
Speaker 4: And yeah, folks, thanks for tuning in, and until next week,
Speaker 4: everyone you know what to do.
Speaker 6: Keep it squatchy.
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 5: If you liked what you heard, please rate and review
Speaker 5: us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you
Speaker 5: get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram
Speaker 5: at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find us on
Speaker 5: Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the middle,
Speaker 5: and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag
Speaker 5: Bigfoot and Beyond