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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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<v Speaker 1>a UFO hanging in?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want.

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<v Speaker 1>To report every thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you wish to report a.

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<v Speaker 2>UFO over hey, we want to one of.

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<v Speaker 1>Those areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 4>of it?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time areas

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one?

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<v Speaker 3>Me neither there. See if it was anybody a h

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<v Speaker 3>above us to pass us, like thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>Ago, we were sending one of golf negative, okay, OFFI

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<v Speaker 4>the UFO.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over,

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<v Speaker 2>I go. I don't know what it was, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,

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<v Speaker 2>I passed out over the top of US.

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<v Speaker 4>Ninety one one.

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<v Speaker 2>You just called up to me before.

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<v Speaker 4>They're after staying the airplanes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here to God on an unidentified object every Liberty four

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<v Speaker 2>call or calm on an Unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 5>A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share

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<v Speaker 5>their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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<v Speaker 5>an encounter, I would like to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you

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<v Speaker 4>all doing. I'm the contact and this is the UFO

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<v Speaker 4>Chronicles podcast. In tonight's episode, we're joined by Jeff calling

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<v Speaker 4>in from Missouri. Jeff is the founder and lead investigator

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<v Speaker 4>of Tracking the Unknown, an independent project focused on structured

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<v Speaker 4>documentation and analysis of unidentified aerial phenomena. Jeff approaches a

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<v Speaker 4>subject from an evidence driven perspective with a clear separation

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<v Speaker 4>between observation and interpretation, and that framework was put to

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<v Speaker 4>the test in August of twenty twenty five when during

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<v Speaker 4>an active investigation, he experienced an encounter with an unidentified object.

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<v Speaker 4>The event was documented at the time and was followed

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<v Speaker 4>by acute physiological and cognitive effects that lasted several days,

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<v Speaker 4>as well as an estimated forty five minutes of unaccounted time.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeff is up next, but.

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<v Speaker 3>this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on

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<v Speaker 3>with the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, Jeff, welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 4>It is our pleasure. It is great to have you

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<v Speaker 4>with us. And you're calling from the state of Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>That is correct. Yeah, write City, Missouri, a little rural town,

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<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the state banging the center of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's quite I'd say Kansas would be the more

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<v Speaker 1>central part of the states, but it's very close, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And you were saying at the very beginning you were

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<v Speaker 4>getting a bit of the old snow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, I'm snowed in at this time. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen inches of snow outside negative one and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going anywhere today.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think a lot of the listeners tonight can

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<v Speaker 4>totally relate to you. I reckon they're probably in the

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<v Speaker 4>same position.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed, now, Jeff, you have some experiences to share with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you like start a beginning, please, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>The very beginning, well before I ever had a sighting,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember reading about the declassification of a Pentagon program

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<v Speaker 1>called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. I remember they

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<v Speaker 1>released the Gimbal video, the go Fast video, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a list of observables for what these objects do across

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<v Speaker 1>these videos, and I remember taking a mental note on

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<v Speaker 1>it because I thought it was fascinating. The first one

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<v Speaker 1>is sudden and instantaneous acceleration, and another one is positive

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<v Speaker 1>lift without aerodynamic surfaces or otherwise known as anti gravity,

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<v Speaker 1>defying the Earth's gravity. The other one is hypersonic velocities

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<v Speaker 1>without signatures like no sonic boom for its low observability

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<v Speaker 1>and cloaking. Five trans medium travel with the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>go through space, the atmosphere and the sea with no

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<v Speaker 1>degradation in performance, and then six biological effects. This project

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<v Speaker 1>has been going on since July twenty twenty five and

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<v Speaker 1>is still ongoing here. In January, and all six of

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<v Speaker 1>those A tip observables had been documented here now, so

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<v Speaker 1>on July seventh of twenty twenty five. I mean, at

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<v Speaker 1>this point it was an abstract thought. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>junk food for the break. I would think about this

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was interesting, but I never thought

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<v Speaker 1>I would see anything myself. I went outside to have

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<v Speaker 1>a cigarette and it was just before the Percy had

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<v Speaker 1>media shower, so I was watching the sky within tent

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<v Speaker 1>as I was dragging on my cigarette. But then this

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<v Speaker 1>object came from the west. It appeared almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>distant aircraft or maybe even a meteor, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>moving at what appeared to be hypersonic velocity in my direction,

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<v Speaker 1>so due east. And what was weird is it got bright,

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<v Speaker 1>similar to a bow eyed or a fireball meteor. But

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<v Speaker 1>then it changed in color and went from being a

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<v Speaker 1>bright orange white to a black, hazy color, and it

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<v Speaker 1>noticeably decelerated into a full stop. And the object in

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<v Speaker 1>the center at this point appeared starlike, but then it shrunk,

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<v Speaker 1>as if it gained distance or even shrunken size. It's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to say, but I was watching it. It stayed

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<v Speaker 1>still for about thirty seconds. Then it started instantly repositioning

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky or zigzag behavior from one point to

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<v Speaker 1>the next point, very large portions of the sky. Thing

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<v Speaker 1>it did was it shot off to the south instantly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it blew my mind. It was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most incredible things I've ever seen. I never thought I'd

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<v Speaker 1>see anything like it again. So I wrote down every

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<v Speaker 1>single thing I saw, sent it into moufon the mutual

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<v Speaker 1>UFO network Newfork, and I thought that would be my

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<v Speaker 1>only sighting but it turns out it wasn't. July eighteenth

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty five, another object similar profile. It just

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a luminous orb floated over my position, or

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<v Speaker 1>it just transited silently. Initially I took a recording of it,

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<v Speaker 1>deleted the recording, thinking oh, it's probably just a drone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm skeptical by nature. I'm I try to not be

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<v Speaker 1>prone to observer bias, but this object, it was just

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<v Speaker 1>so strange. I ended up recovering the recording due to

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<v Speaker 1>sightings on July twenty seven, twenty ninth, August first and second,

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<v Speaker 1>now the twenty seventh. That was the night that I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I had something extraordinary going on over my skies.

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<v Speaker 1>Objects moving at hypersonic velocities with no flight surfaces, no

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<v Speaker 1>FAA lights, doing things that are super strange, like disappearing

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<v Speaker 1>and reappearing on different flight paths, moving through each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and instantaneous accelerations. One object flew right over my head

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<v Speaker 1>on July twenty eighth. When I say right over my head,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been a few thousand feet up, but

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<v Speaker 1>it disappeared. It just disappeared out of nowhere. Through sole

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<v Speaker 1>motion analysis, you can see this thing goes from maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles per hour to thousands of miles per

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<v Speaker 1>hour just basically disappears in two frames into the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>And these sightings just kept going and going. Then August

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<v Speaker 1>first comes around. I started filming pretty earlier on in

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<v Speaker 1>the day into the night and discovered something very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these objects that appear like stars, they appear

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<v Speaker 1>like a point source. They would deviate from their position

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<v Speaker 1>if you film them long enough. Not saying they're related,

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<v Speaker 1>but these objects will mimic celestial objects and sort of

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<v Speaker 1>blend in with the star field. But the motion that

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<v Speaker 1>they exhibit makes it clear that it's between the observer

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<v Speaker 1>and the stars, so it's something much closer clearly. But

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<v Speaker 1>August second, that's the day that this whole thing changed.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a more serious incident. I'll start at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the day. I started filming during daylight hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Many weird things were already happening. As soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>went outside. Objects were zigzagging all over the sky. There

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<v Speaker 1>was one where these things can sometimes exhibit what appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be an uncanny sense of situational awareness. There was

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<v Speaker 1>one object that looked like a almost like a cylindrical

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<v Speaker 1>metallic object no flight surfaces. I would lift my phone

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<v Speaker 1>to record it and it would disappear behind the veil

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<v Speaker 1>of the atmosphere, and then I put my phone back

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<v Speaker 1>down because I think it's gone, and then it would

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<v Speaker 1>pop right back out. Lifted my phone to record it again,

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<v Speaker 1>and it did the same thing, disappeared behind the blue

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<v Speaker 1>veil of the atmosphere, and I kept recording. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of strange things, objects moving around the sky

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<v Speaker 1>and making extreme turns that are indicative of high G force,

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<v Speaker 1>like extreme G forces, the kind of stuff that would

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<v Speaker 1>turn a human pilot into soup. Things that are shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be possible. But where the night took a very I

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<v Speaker 1>would say negative turn was about nine o'clock PM. I

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<v Speaker 1>started filming a long form video at nine o'clock. This object,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, I guess you could call it hovering, highly luminous,

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<v Speaker 1>almost starlac, and I had noticed that its movement had

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<v Speaker 1>deviated from the starfield, so I kept recording it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is on my old phone, so the quality is not

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<v Speaker 1>the best. The footage is ambiguous at best. But I

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<v Speaker 1>filmed from nine o'clock to about nine to twenty six PM,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was outside with my dog at about nine

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty six. I mean I went from feeling real healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>real good, like I could run a mile, to feeling

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<v Speaker 1>as though all the energy got sapped from me, like blackout,

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<v Speaker 1>adjacent fatigue, shortness of breath in slight dizziness too. I

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<v Speaker 1>had actually buckled over and was trying to regain my composure.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very weird. It was like all the energy

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<v Speaker 1>was just sapped from me. And once I regained my composure,

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<v Speaker 1>I recorded the object for maybe another forty seconds, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just had a feeling like, ah, this just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel good. This is getting a little bit weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially I attributed the symptoms to something personal. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to automatically say that it was the object that

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<v Speaker 1>was responsible for these symptoms. But I decided to disengage

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<v Speaker 1>from filming and go inside. I got up, walked inside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably about nine to twenty seven PM, and I

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<v Speaker 1>opened the back door. My dog runs in.

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<v Speaker 2>I go in.

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<v Speaker 1>I locked the door behind me. As I'm walking through

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<v Speaker 1>my kitchen past the there's a counter in there. Three

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<v Speaker 1>things happen all simultaneously. I flashed both through my southern window.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a blast of fatigue, not just like a

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<v Speaker 1>minor wave like it was outside. It it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I was hit by something. All the lights in my

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<v Speaker 1>house flickered, and my dogs started going insane, and the symptoms,

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<v Speaker 1>the immediate onset of acute and very strong symptoms hit

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<v Speaker 1>A shortness of breath right as it hit me. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like a split second paralysis. I had to catch

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<v Speaker 1>myself on one of the chairs that was propped up

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<v Speaker 1>against one of the counters. Immediately went into like fight

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<v Speaker 1>or flight, because I mean what I was feeling. I

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<v Speaker 1>went from feeling relatively normal to borderline concussed. I felt nausea,

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<v Speaker 1>I was disoriented, my vision wasn't so good. Extreme vertigo,

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<v Speaker 1>like really bad vertigo, like barely being able to walk straight.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I armed myself. There's a weapon on the counter.

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<v Speaker 1>I work in law enforcement, so I'm pretty used to

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<v Speaker 1>having firearms around, and my dogs were going absolutely insane. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little hard to talk about. I ran full

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<v Speaker 1>like an unnatural fear response, hypervigilance, almost a feeling like

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<v Speaker 1>felt before. I've been in many situations that induced fight

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<v Speaker 1>or flight and adrenaline, but this was different. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>it's very far away from anyone, so I realized, ya,

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<v Speaker 1>I was very much isolated. I called my ex girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>She knew what I was doing. I had been sending

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<v Speaker 1>her videos in the previous days, and as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>she answered, the first thing I said was they're here.

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<v Speaker 1>If the phone line cuts out, it's not me, which

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<v Speaker 1>understandably freaked her out. But as I was on the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs just kept going crazy. I noticed they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>go near my door, and the air itself didn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 1>With the air around me, it felt charged, heavy, almost oppressive,

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<v Speaker 1>and that feeling of being watched it was almost overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been trained to handle my self and stressful times,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, It's something I have to do quite often.

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<v Speaker 1>Working in Saint Louis, it's a high crime urban environment.

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<v Speaker 1>But what was weird too. Was later checked the time

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<v Speaker 1>log of when I called her, and it should have

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<v Speaker 1>been close to nine thirty pm, but it was It

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<v Speaker 1>said ten fifteen pm. This is about a good forty

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes of on account to for time and the

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<v Speaker 1>full list of symptoms. Actually, I'll get to that in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment. I'll tell the rest of the story. So

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<v Speaker 1>it felt as though it was like a standoff was

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<v Speaker 1>in my room. I'm on the phone to de isolate myself,

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<v Speaker 1>was telling her what was going on. She could hear

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs going crazy in the background, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like a dog's barking at someone passing the house. This

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<v Speaker 1>was low growls, threat barking, and as I said, you

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<v Speaker 1>could feel it in the air. It wasn't right about yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes goes by. I had the phone call connected

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<v Speaker 1>to my parents, who were out of town on vacation

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and because I didn't want to sound crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>I told them I believe there may be an intruder

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<v Speaker 1>in the house. I told them call nine to one one,

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<v Speaker 1>get an officer to come out here and do the

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<v Speaker 1>patrol of the property. Right as I said nine one one.

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<v Speaker 1>The dogs stopped barking. The air felt as though it

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<v Speaker 1>went back to normal, and it felt as though it ended.

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up leaving my room and clearing the top

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<v Speaker 1>level of my house before leaving my house with great haste.

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<v Speaker 1>I left a lot of stuff behind, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even bring chargers. I didn't bring my EESIG. I just left,

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<v Speaker 1>drove down the road, stopped at a gas station, and

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<v Speaker 1>I bought a different EASIG. Was telling this person behind

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<v Speaker 1>the counter how crazy my night had been, because I

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<v Speaker 1>remember my h hands still shaking from the adrenaline. As

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to put my debit card in the reader,

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<v Speaker 1>I could barely get a debit card in there because

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<v Speaker 1>my hand was shaking so much. But as I got

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<v Speaker 1>back into my car, like this whole time, I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone with my AX, because I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be alone at any point after what I had

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<v Speaker 1>just been through. But I ended up getting off the

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<v Speaker 1>phone to see if I can get my GPS going,

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<v Speaker 1>because my plan was to leave the state to go

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<v Speaker 1>stay with her, because she lived in Illinois and I

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<v Speaker 1>was staying in right City at the time, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>she's my AX. We were going through problems at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to devils at many details about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I could not get my phone to connect

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<v Speaker 1>to my car. No matter what I did, Bluetooth, direct wire,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing worked. As though my phone was it was impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to connect it to my car. I probably tried fifty

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<v Speaker 1>or sixty times, and so I started driving. I realized

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, I know this route. I've done this

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<v Speaker 1>drive probably hundreds of times. So I decided to just go.

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<v Speaker 1>As I'm driving, I'm realizing that my driving is not

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<v Speaker 1>so good. I'm kind of swerving, I'm not driving well.

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<v Speaker 1>They keep in mind I was sober as a judge

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<v Speaker 1>this night, and I hadn't had a drink or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It was whatever had occurred while filming and walking inside

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<v Speaker 1>that was making me feel this way. And when the

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<v Speaker 1>adrenaline wore off, I just I started noticing symptom after

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<v Speaker 1>symptom after symptom. So I have a whole list of

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<v Speaker 1>symptoms here. So it started with acute pressure, shortness of breath,

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<v Speaker 1>split second paralysis, nausea, dizziness, disorientation, visual sensitivity, extreme vertigo,

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<v Speaker 1>My face was numb, paresthesia or nerve tingling, sensation throughout

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<v Speaker 1>my whole body. Tachycardia and my neurological symptoms were severe

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<v Speaker 1>as well, the whole blackout adjacent fatigue initially, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fatigue lingered for days. Brain flog, severely compromised short term memory.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really i'd be saying something, I'd forget what

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying halfway through saying it. Type memory, the

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<v Speaker 1>unnatural fear response, hypervigilance, the predator prey feeling. And here

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<v Speaker 1>let me flip my notes over see, I wrote everything

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<v Speaker 1>down in the days of and the days after what

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<v Speaker 1>I experienced. That's what I have written down for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I drove to her house. I probably missed

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<v Speaker 1>about fifteen turns, maybe more because my memory is compromised

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. When I finally arrived and got out,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had me go into the basement and she

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<v Speaker 1>brought me some food because she was just worried about me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I must have looked like a total mess

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<v Speaker 1>showing up. It was disoriented, confused. I mean I showed

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<v Speaker 1>up with my duty belt on, I was armed. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just a psychological comfort. Like when I think about it. However,

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<v Speaker 1>these objects are so advanced that having a firearm would

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<v Speaker 1>be like having a caveman's club in comparison, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a psychological comfort. She had me sit down. She

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<v Speaker 1>brought me a bowl of oatmeal, and I remember I

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<v Speaker 1>set it down on my lap and I forgot it

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<v Speaker 1>was there, probably like eight different times. My short sort

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<v Speaker 1>of memory was just blasted. I remember trying to stand

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<v Speaker 1>up and walk around and barely being able to walk straight.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really disoriented, and the fear it didn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like natural fear. For anyone who's ever taken up medication,

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<v Speaker 1>you understand that you'll take a medication and it'll it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be there, like you'll feel that like let's say it's

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<v Speaker 1>an SSRI. It'll balance out your feelings. It'll balance the

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals in your brain in a certain way, and it

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<v Speaker 1>stays that way for a little while. It kind of

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<v Speaker 1>felt like that, like medicinal fear. I know that sounds crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't feel natural because it lasted for days.

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<v Speaker 1>Unnatural fear, especially of studed lights and being outside at night.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't go outside at night for almost a month

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<v Speaker 1>after this incident. But what compelled me to continue filming

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<v Speaker 1>was telling people this story, this exact story. I would

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<v Speaker 1>receive cognitive dissonance, disrespect, disbelief, or people would immediately chalk

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<v Speaker 1>it up to something that was conventional, which I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to say something conventional isn't possible. But this was

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<v Speaker 1>just too strange and too related. It's hard to dismiss

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<v Speaker 1>it when I was actively filming an object of anomalist

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<v Speaker 1>nature before these symptoms occurred. Might I mention too, while

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<v Speaker 1>I was in my room and armed, I was expecting

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<v Speaker 1>a third wave of whatever this was. I know for

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<v Speaker 1>sure that if a third wave hit, it probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have completely incapacitated me. Like, when I think back on it,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been a number of things. It could

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<v Speaker 1>have been a close proximity event, you know, I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>that there are certain biological effects that can occur when

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<v Speaker 1>you're in close proximity to these objects. Who knows their

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<v Speaker 1>method of moving around, Like think about this anology, like

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<v Speaker 1>if you're standing right behind a jet when it's taking off,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get burned. Maybe it's something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>or it could have been something else. I have heard

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<v Speaker 1>tell of directed energy waves from these objects, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>not something that our military doesn't currently have. It is

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<v Speaker 1>possible as far as origin of these objects, I can't say.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It could be a number of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people think extraterrestrial, which is possible based on the

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<v Speaker 1>extreme physics I've seen. Some people say crypto terrestrial, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's from here, and some people say interdimensional, but all

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<v Speaker 1>of which I can't verify. But that experience was a

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<v Speaker 1>big inspiration as to why I started tracking the unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>August thirtieth is when I resumed filming. I started capturing

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<v Speaker 1>objects that like the first video I took on August thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>it was daytime. An object that had no flight surfaces

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<v Speaker 1>appeared oblong in shape, similar to a tic tac like

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<v Speaker 1>the breath ment, was flying by silently, transitting from south

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<v Speaker 1>to north. That was the first video, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>noticed second and very objects near it, like these small

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<v Speaker 1>sphere like objects that would move at extreme velocity. You

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<v Speaker 1>can only capture through slow motion analysis. Otherwise it's a

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<v Speaker 1>blink of an eye, and these things are there and gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just kept filming and filming, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>send my stuff into Moufon and I was working directly

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<v Speaker 1>with their Star team. Their Star team handles like the

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<v Speaker 1>top one percent of cases as far as UFOology goes

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<v Speaker 1>So it was I was working with Margie k and

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<v Speaker 1>before that it was Debbie Ziegelmeyer. She's been on the

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient Alien Show. She's an author. She was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the people that gave me one of the biggest and

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<v Speaker 1>most helpful tips to establish that this is really a

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<v Speaker 1>recurring phenomenon rather than just a one off. She told

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<v Speaker 1>me that these sightings are very common during the summer

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<v Speaker 1>around nine PM. So I took a mental note of

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<v Speaker 1>that and kept filming. But then that led up to

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<v Speaker 1>the August second anomalous health incident. But this project, what

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to do. The direction I would go is

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<v Speaker 1>I would film the objects, do slow motion analysis and

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<v Speaker 1>also do frame by frame analysis with AI comparing to

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<v Speaker 1>conventional and celestial objects. Trying to disprove my own footage

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<v Speaker 1>before I put it out, because if I can't, if

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<v Speaker 1>I can disprove it, someone else can't. So I try

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<v Speaker 1>to debunk my own footage before it goes out. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's been the idea is analysis before speculation, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's how tracking the Unknown came to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Discover quite a few things with tracking the unknown and

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<v Speaker 1>filming these objects. After upgrading to telescopic captures, and even

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<v Speaker 1>it purchased a diffraction grading to study their light spectra.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the spectrum of light on these objects is very interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>but the data is preliminary at this time and still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for more baseline data to compare it to. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was another incident because like I've been doing these

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<v Speaker 1>recordings night after night after night, so at nighttime it's

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<v Speaker 1>easier to see these objects due to contrast the dark

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<v Speaker 1>sky the object's luminosity, it's easier to study light behavior

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<v Speaker 1>and motion analysis because during the day it's not quite

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<v Speaker 1>as clear, there's more contrast, it's brighter. The objects are

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<v Speaker 1>not as clear during the day, I've noted, but at

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<v Speaker 1>night their luminosity stands out. So November tenth, there was

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<v Speaker 1>an incident. I was I had gotten my telescope, so

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I captured the IP and a telescopic

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<v Speaker 1>capture was on Halloween of twenty twenty five. It's this object.

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<v Speaker 1>It was beautiful, honestly, it's They're hauntingly beautiful through a telescope.

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<v Speaker 1>But they come in different sizes and shapes, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to say that there's any definitive look to these objects.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's one thing that's consistent is their luminosity in

419
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<v Speaker 1>the diffuse haze. Like when you see a comet going by,

420
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<v Speaker 1>there's usually like a diffuse kind of haze behind it,

421
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<v Speaker 1>but this is different. It's almost luminous in nature, even

422
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<v Speaker 1>to the naked eye. I'm going all over the place here.

423
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to talk about. November tenth, I got

424
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<v Speaker 1>the telescope out and I was looking to the to

425
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<v Speaker 1>the northeast. There was an object. It was very bright

426
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<v Speaker 1>to the naked eye, almost starlike, and I was trying

427
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to get focus on it. I was using my phone

428
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to look through the telescope to try to see it,

429
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<v Speaker 1>and I just could not get a good view of it.

430
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>For some reason, it was all blurred out. I just

431
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see anything, and I eventually look up for

432
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 1>my telescope when I see a circular, exclusive looking cloud

433
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that's directly in my line of sight with my telescope.

434
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 1>I take my phone off my telescope, I zoom in

435
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.519
<v Speaker 1>on it, zoom out, zoom back in, and make sure

436
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 1>it's not some kind of optical thing, and the cloud

437
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>immediately disappears and I once again see the point source

438
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 1>of light of the object I was trying to track.

439
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>So then I started trying to film it again through

440
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the telescope, and then I started feeling those physical effects

441
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>again similar to August second, pressure on the front and

442
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 1>back of my chest. This time, blurred vision was notable,

443
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>and fatigue not as strong as August second, but I

444
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>started feeling fatigue. Decided to disengage from filming that night.

445
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.079
<v Speaker 1>And let's see, oh I have in my notes there

446
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 1>was another incident August third, so I guess the day

447
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>after the anomalous health incident. I had come back home

448
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>because I stayed the night at my ex's house. I

449
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be at that house after what had occurred.

450
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember the same thing someone can cigarette on the

451
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.759
<v Speaker 1>back porch with my dog Daisy, and I saw another

452
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<v Speaker 1>one of these. It appeared to be one of these objects,

453
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>almost starlike in appearance, but moving against the background sky,

454
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<v Speaker 1>and I noticed it was behind the tree line. I

455
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 1>would move to the right and it would move to

456
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<v Speaker 1>the left, and it was it seemed as though it

457
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 1>was concealing itself with my tree line. Like I moved left,

458
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>it would move right right behind the trees. Did this

459
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 1>a few times before my dog, which was relaxed and

460
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 1>laying down out of nowhere yit very loud, jumped up,

461
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:55.359
<v Speaker 1>ran to the door. I let her in, and she

462
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>sprinted across the house like in fear. So I've had

463
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>quite a few things that were very strange while doing

464
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 1>this project. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. You really never know

465
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen when you're dealing with the unknown.

466
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, anytime you're filming or watching these objects, it's

467
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 1>your shadow boxing with something unknown, and there's clearly certain

468
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.359
<v Speaker 1>dangers that should be considered. Things I've discovered, I know

469
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Programs observables, but

470
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I've kind of noted some of my own observables that

471
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>have been recurring in nature throughout the time of doing

472
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 1>this project. One thing I've noted that's quite common is

473
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<v Speaker 1>proximal micro flashes. There are these little flashes of light

474
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 1>that occur around UAP. What they are, I can't say.

475
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 1>It could be secondary objects, it could be an atmospheric effect.

476
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but it's recurring. It happens a lot.

477
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.559
<v Speaker 1>And then with the November tenth incident, ecclusive counter measures,

478
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>these cloudlike it is perfectly circular. It's happened a few times.

479
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess where your view is blocked. Another observable would

480
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 1>be celestiomimicry. Sometimes these objects will literally blend in with

481
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 1>the starfield. They'll move with the stars, But if you

482
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 1>watch them long enough, they can deviate from that and

483
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>move in different directions or even pick up in their

484
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 1>velocity though their speed. One really interesting aspect about them

485
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.319
<v Speaker 1>is I've been studying their light, in particular the extreme

486
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 1>luminosity and an isotropic behavior. Like the light it misbehaves.

487
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:53.599
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't act like normal stellar isotropic light, which is symmetrical.

488
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>This light is asymmetrical and can vary based on view

489
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>of observation, both telescopically to the naked eye through binoculars

490
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 1>and through the phone as well. So different angles produce

491
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 1>different visuals and different effects. It's very very strange. But actually, yeah,

492
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>there's an incident involving the anisotropic light behavior that I

493
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.519
<v Speaker 1>could mention. I noticed an object in the sky to

494
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 1>the believe that was the east. It was oblong, highly luminous.

495
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>It looked like a vertical tic tac hovering in the sky.

496
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>There's something I noticed I would tilt my head left,

497
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the object would tilt with me. I tilt my head right,

498
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>it would tilt that same way to the right. So

499
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>it's apparent visual signature would change based on your view.

500
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 1>It's something I've noted while these objects fly by, while

501
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>they're slowly hovering by in the sky. But yes, anisotropic

502
00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>light signatures, that's been one of the big recurring things.

503
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.759
<v Speaker 1>And I know I already mentioned diffuse luminous haze. When

504
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>they're slowly hovering through the sky, you'll notice a haze

505
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>around them. It's usually uneven, and like when they're moving

506
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>through the sky at closer range, there's still like a

507
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 1>luminous haze behind them, almost like a trailing wake. Directionally based.

508
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 1>So the baseline spectral emission, like I use a diffraction grading,

509
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a metric diffraction with green dominant uneven spectral intensity.

510
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>It's baseline data at this time, so I can't say

511
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:40.280
<v Speaker 1>it's conclusive. But it didn't match LEDs or dollar spectra

512
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:46.199
<v Speaker 1>or planetary spectra or any artificial known light sources.

513
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 4>It was.

514
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 1>It was different from everything, So the conclusion is still

515
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 1>unknown at this time.

516
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517
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.920
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518
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519
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520
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.719
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521
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.119
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522
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523
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524
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525
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for sharing all that.

526
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<v Speaker 1>Jeff, It's a lot to share. It's been a lot

527
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 1>going on, and the goal is to lower the ambiguity

528
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.639
<v Speaker 1>of the phenomenon through clearer captures and upgraded equipment. I've

529
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>got a new telescope on the way. It's a dabsonian.

530
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 1>It's got a very stable base and the optics, the

531
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>optical effects should be reduced. So the goal is just

532
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 1>to keep continuing and progressing and getting better data to study.

533
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's one of the things I noticed. There was

534
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>a NASA commission for UAP study and one of the

535
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>guys threw his hands up in the air and said,

536
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>we just don't have data to study. So my project

537
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>aims to change that.

538
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 4>So this is what tracking you known is doing and

539
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 4>first off, thank of your service. Guys do a tough job.

540
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 4>And i'd imagine, knowing your background in law enforcement, what

541
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 4>you're trained to do is document evidence.

542
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and documented objectively, without narrative, without speculation, just what

543
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>you see and then you write it down because it

544
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 1>can end up in a court of law, and if

545
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 1>you start filling a narrative, it can really bite you

546
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>in the butt later. So I try to take that

547
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>same report writing style and I put it into this. Yeah,

548
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 1>I've just kept a continual learning attitude and I try

549
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>not to fall into observer bias.

550
00:36:58.679 --> 00:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

551
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:03.360
<v Speaker 4>Of course, from from an investigator's perspective, how challenging is

552
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 4>it to remain analytical when you become part of the case.

553
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was one thing I never expected was to

554
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>become a data point myself. But I have heard people

555
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>say that, you know, whenever you study these things, you

556
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>may be ended up or you may end up being

557
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 1>studied yourself. And it turned out to be true. In

558
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 1>my case. It was tough. I mean it's the physical

559
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 1>effects were severe. I mean it was about a three

560
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 1>day recovery time, and I remember going to work and

561
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:41.760
<v Speaker 1>still feeling that brain fog, that weird feeling, that short

562
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 1>term memory loss. It didn't go away for I want

563
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.119
<v Speaker 1>to say I recovered my short term memory after about

564
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>three days. But yeah, I just made sure to be

565
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>very precise with logging on my symptoms. I'm a former EMT,

566
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 1>so I know the body decently and I even have

567
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 1>my blood pressure check the very next day after the

568
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>August second incident, and it was a elevated blood pressure

569
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>about one fifty eight over eighty, which is hypertensive. So

570
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.440
<v Speaker 1>it could be stress induced because it was very stressful

571
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to go through. Yeah, I never would I have thought

572
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that I would have what Heinich would consider a close

573
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>encounter of the second kind, because it's environmental effects, it's

574
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 1>physical effects, there's a cute animal response it was. It

575
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.519
<v Speaker 1>was scary. It's probably one of the scariest things I've

576
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 1>ever gone through. And I've been held at gunpoint before

577
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't even pay It pales in comparison.

578
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 4>So no any trained but are used to these high

579
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 4>stress situations. And I'd imagine being in law enforcement you

580
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 4>have to go through regular health checks periodically.

581
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean they do the psychological exam and

582
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they train us for really high intensity events like active

583
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>shooter stuff, an emergency response to traumatic events such as that.

584
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I've seen quite a few things, but this was definitely unique,

585
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 1>and after that event, it's a big motivator for wanting

586
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to raise awareness of this phenomenon that it is most

587
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.079
<v Speaker 1>certainly real. There are objects of unknown origin in our

588
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 1>skies almost all the time. This is recurring. It's night

589
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.159
<v Speaker 1>after night after night, day after day after day. It

590
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 1>deserves to be treated more seriously. One thing I really

591
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.199
<v Speaker 1>wish is that our government here in the States would

592
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>disclose more information about the subject, because boy, I could

593
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 1>have probably used er like emergency help. I probably should

594
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>have gone to the emergency room after that due to

595
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the extreme neurological effects, but I didn't want to end

596
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.159
<v Speaker 1>up in the psychic unit. I know how it goes.

597
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I know the drill. If someone comes in saying, oh,

598
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I was filming UAPs and now I have all these

599
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 1>health effects, they're going to be like, oh, yeah, this

600
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:12.519
<v Speaker 1>guy's a looney. You know, it'd be nice for them

601
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to have some standard operating procedures for anomalous health events,

602
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:19.679
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, it's real, it does happen, and some

603
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>people refer to it as Havana syndrome, and my symptoms

604
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>very closely mirrored what is referred to as Havna syndrome.

605
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<v Speaker 4>You know, you mentioned a lot of these physiological effects.

606
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.639
<v Speaker 4>They had lasted. It was several days now, not including

607
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<v Speaker 4>like the adrenaline and that. But were there any symptoms

608
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<v Speaker 4>that you encountered after that you had experienced before in

609
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<v Speaker 4>your life?

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<v Speaker 1>It was very unique. I mean fatigue, yes, like let's

611
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<v Speaker 1>say I haven't slept in a day or two. Most

612
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>of it was brand new. I'd never had short term

613
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>memory loss like that, the neurological effects, the sensitivity to light. No,

614
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<v Speaker 1>I can't say I've had anything that was that list

615
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.519
<v Speaker 1>of symptoms all at once. That was brand new for me.

616
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I was healthy, I was in a good mood. Even

617
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.199
<v Speaker 1>walking inside after the first wave of symptoms, I still

618
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 1>felt good. I was calm as a cucumber. So I

619
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>wasn't expecting anything. I wasn't anxious. It just hit me.

620
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>It was like a wave of energy going through me.

621
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<v Speaker 1>So it was very unique in that aspect.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and approximately forty five minutes of an accounted time,

623
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 4>did you first become aware of that when you was

624
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:34.960
<v Speaker 4>talking on the phone with your ex.

625
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I became aware of that after the fact because I

626
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.800
<v Speaker 1>looked at the call logs and noted the time anomaly,

627
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 1>and I looked at the timestamps and the videos and

628
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>it just didn't match up. When I called her, it

629
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 1>should have been around nine thirty PM, but it said

630
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>ten fifteen, so forty five minutes of on account at

631
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 1>four time. Now, whether this was psychologically induced, maybe because

632
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I know that my short term memory was most certainly impacted,

633
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 1>or if it was an external factor, like something from

634
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the object itself, it's certainly plausible. Yeah, I can't say

635
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>what caused that. I understand that there's theories on these

636
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.039
<v Speaker 1>objects bending space time to move, which honestly would kind

637
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 1>of make sense with some of the physics I'm seeing

638
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the disappearing and reappearing on different flight paths, like the

639
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 1>old the World War II fighter pilots calling them Foo fighters.

640
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.679
<v Speaker 1>They said they skipped through the air like a saucer,

641
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's something I see time and time again. They'll

642
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 1>literally on our flight path, they'll skip from one point

643
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to the next to the next. I guess it would

644
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 1>make sense if you're bending space time to do that,

645
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's some kind of time dilation.

646
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, there's been certainly a lot of effects

647
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.559
<v Speaker 4>on witnesses that have come in close proximity of some

648
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 4>of these objects. You did take steps and check verified

649
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 4>timelines and timestamps on the videos and that did you

650
00:42:56.360 --> 00:43:00.320
<v Speaker 4>check your video cameras for any time jumps or anything

651
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 4>like that?

652
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Now, that was something. One thing I noticed on the

653
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>video of August second is the interference on my phone

654
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 1>during the incident. While I the first wave of symptoms,

655
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.599
<v Speaker 1>it was on camera. I was filming actively when I

656
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 1>was outside, and I started feeling that blackout adjacent fatigue,

657
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:21.519
<v Speaker 1>the pressure on the front and back of my chest,

658
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the shortness of breath, and I buckled over and I

659
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.559
<v Speaker 1>was still filming while I was buckled over. I was

660
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.559
<v Speaker 1>aiming at the ground, but because I couldn't sit up right,

661
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 1>I was just drained of energy momentarily. And I mean

662
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.360
<v Speaker 1>it was about a minute, almost a full minute, I

663
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>would guess, of feeling that way. In the video, I

664
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 1>noticed that there is some what appears to be electronic interference.

665
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Is far more camera noise during that, like a lot

666
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of camera noise. But yeah, that's about it. Unfortunately, the

667
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 1>older footage on my older phone. I ended up upgrading

668
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>phones later due to the quality of camera. I've now

669
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>got iPhone seventeen with all the bells and whistles, because

670
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I want the clearest captures I can possibly get, just

671
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>lots of camera noise and what appears to be electronic

672
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 1>interference during the incident.

673
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:18.079
<v Speaker 4>Okay, see you had some technical anomalies recorded alongside the encounter.

674
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.199
<v Speaker 4>Did you notice anything environmental.

675
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.360
<v Speaker 1>As far as environmental the second wave of symptoms when

676
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I was inside, all the lights in the entire house

677
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.519
<v Speaker 1>flickering right as I got hit, almost like a similar

678
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 1>to a power surge. But what was weird is nothing

679
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 1>in the house had to be reset. Usually when there's

680
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 1>a power surge and everything goes out, you have to

681
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.159
<v Speaker 1>reset all your clocks, and I didn't have to do that.

682
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:50.039
<v Speaker 1>It was something else. The dogs reacting. Honestly, they were reacting,

683
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I would say violently. They were. I've never heard them

684
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.159
<v Speaker 1>for what a half hour straight, low growls and threat

685
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 1>barking like something was in the house. Potentially I wouldn't

686
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.039
<v Speaker 1>know because my door was closed and I was armed

687
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and ready for something to come through. I didn't know

688
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>what was happening. It was very disorienting, and also the

689
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>air feeling different. I guess you could consider that an

690
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 1>environmental factor. It felt charged in heavy and that pressure sensation.

691
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget it. It was. It felt as though

692
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I was definitely not alone. You just know, it's hard

693
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:35.119
<v Speaker 1>to explain. I've also heard theories of these things exhibiting

694
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 1>something in between quantum theory and consciousness, and after that experience,

695
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.199
<v Speaker 1>I would say that's definitely possible, because it felt as

696
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 1>though whatever it was that was there had complete control

697
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:52.519
<v Speaker 1>of the environment. And that's speculative, I'll admit that, but

698
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.679
<v Speaker 1>it's what it felt like. It felt like being in

699
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the presence of something with godlike power. I know I'm

700
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>going far saying that, but it's just it's simply what

701
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 1>it felt like. That was my takeaway that it was

702
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>something immensely powerful, and my handgun, as I said, felt

703
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.119
<v Speaker 1>like I may as well have been a caveman with

704
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 1>the club, but it was a psychological comfort at the time.

705
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 4>And that feeling of being in the presence that something

706
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.079
<v Speaker 4>else is around. Is that something you've experienced before. I'm

707
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.159
<v Speaker 4>not talking about in the company of criminals or anything

708
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 4>like that.

709
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 1>No, it was a very unique experience something that I

710
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>will never forget until the day I die, without a

711
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>doubt it was. It was all inspiring and absolutely terrifying

712
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. Yeah, just that wave of energy

713
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 1>hitting me and almost completely incapacitated me. I'm surprised I

714
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was able to move and respond the way I was,

715
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm thankful for my training in that aspect that

716
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I was able to make a game plan and respond

717
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the way I did to de isolate myself with a

718
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 1>phone call, and once I felt as though the threat

719
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:11.119
<v Speaker 1>had disappeared, I left the area. So yeah, unique, it's

720
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:16.079
<v Speaker 1>it was for a while. It was kind of PTSD inducing,

721
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 1>to be honest. When I did finally come back home

722
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.559
<v Speaker 1>the next day, Yeah, I remember just looking at the

723
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 1>inside of my door from inside my room and just

724
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>having flashbacks to that moment. It's a it's a real fear,

725
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and there's no fear that's quite like the unknown, because

726
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 1>with the unknown, there's infinite possibilities. I didn't know what

727
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.159
<v Speaker 1>was going to happen, if a third wave was going

728
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to hit and I was just going to black out

729
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 1>disappear for five days like Travis Walton, But thankfully that

730
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't occur. It's very scary to go through. Some people

731
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.480
<v Speaker 1>wish for close encounters, and I say, be careful what

732
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:54.039
<v Speaker 1>you wish for.

733
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. Yeah, when you called ux now and you said

734
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 4>they're here, How did she respond to that?

735
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Fear? Serious fear. It's funny because she warned me the

736
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>day before on August first, I was telling her about

737
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 1>some of the videos. Like on August first, I saw

738
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 1>there was one object I've recorded. It was a luminous

739
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.039
<v Speaker 1>point moving through the sky, and shortly after pressing record,

740
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.280
<v Speaker 1>an exclusive cloud appeared around it and it almost became

741
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 1>invisible to the camera, which is indicative of the low

742
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 1>observability cloaking a tip observable. And I was excited about that.

743
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I was telling her about it, and she warned me.

744
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>She's like, you better be careful. She's like, something could happen,

745
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 1>like abduction or who knows what else. And initially I

746
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>dismissed it. I thought it was an absurd idea. I'm

747
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:51.480
<v Speaker 1>very skeptical by nature. I was like, Ah, that's bs,

748
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that's not going to happen, blah blah blah. The very

749
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.760
<v Speaker 1>next day this incident occurred. So to say that she

750
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>was freaked out would be anunderstatement. She was afraid because

751
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>she could hear the fear in my voice and she

752
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 1>could hear the dogs going insane in the background.

753
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 4>She did try and warn you, yep, and I was.

754
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say I was ignorant about it.

755
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I was borderline rude. I dismissed it. And that bit

756
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 1>me in the butt, that's for sure. She tried to

757
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 1>warn me, and I should have listened. But hindsight is

758
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty nowadays. When I go and I observe, I

759
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:38.719
<v Speaker 1>do so with instrumentation, with EMF, with a Geiger counter,

760
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.679
<v Speaker 1>even to measure radioactivity. If there's anything that's like, if

761
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I start feeling any health effects, I immediately disengage. Thankfully,

762
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't occurred since November tenth, but it's been siding

763
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 1>after siding since. And yeah, the goal is just to

764
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 1>keep putting stuff out and show people we might not

765
00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>be alone.

766
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.360
<v Speaker 4>And what kind of what interested you having the subject

767
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:02.400
<v Speaker 4>before I.

768
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Found the documentaries about a tip to be fascinating. Anything

769
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.840
<v Speaker 1>with luel Zando. I remember watching the Bob Lazar documentary.

770
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was fascinating him talking about the objects,

771
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 1>how they move. And I know he worked at area

772
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.920
<v Speaker 1>S four, which is south of area fifty one, is

773
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 1>what he claims. I thought that was a fascinating story.

774
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Speaker 1>It was more of an abstract idea to me at

775
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 1>the time, thought it was fascinating, you know. I viewed

776
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 1>it as like science fiction at the time, but just

777
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 1>really interesting science fiction. But after what I've observed for

778
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.440
<v Speaker 1>seven months, I honestly think it is plausible that one

779
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of these objects has probably crashed, if not many of

780
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>these objects, because there's a lot of them. Well, one

781
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.840
<v Speaker 1>thing I noted I forgot to bring up is multi

782
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:59.480
<v Speaker 1>object coordination. I'll often be tracking one primary object, and

783
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I'll note other objects mirroring its movements flying with it.

784
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Like there'll be one large object and then multiple smaller

785
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 1>objects within proximity that move with it. And sometimes those

786
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 1>smaller objects will deviate from the primary object's flight path

787
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and go somewhere else, so it's almost like coordinated behavior.

788
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:24.639
<v Speaker 1>And fast movers, I believe, are the smaller objects people

789
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about fast movers. These smaller objects will zip around

790
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>all the sky. They could be task based, who knows,

791
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 1>I can only speculate, but they're the ones that exhibit

792
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 1>the most extreme flight characteristics and like during the day

793
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>they appear almost fear like, and at night time they

794
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 1>appear like a small luminous orb. Sometimes they'll appear as

795
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 1>like a diffuse haze without a static geometric profile. It's

796
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 1>very interesting.

797
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there is certainly a lot of objects out there.

798
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.159
<v Speaker 4>You also use in all the apps as well for

799
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 4>satellites and all that kind of stuff to kind of

800
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 4>make sure you don't picking up anything like that.

801
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I also use the AI analysis and we'll

802
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 1>ask if it matches the light profile of a satellite.

803
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 1>And usually a satellite pass will be dim with maybe

804
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>periodic brightness due to reflection, and it'll often follow a

805
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.440
<v Speaker 1>linear path, whereas a lot of these objects will move

806
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 1>in a nonlinear way. So I'll do motion analysis, light analysis,

807
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and the apps I use. I use the flight Radar

808
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 1>monitor flights and the stargazser app to know which stars

809
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:42.039
<v Speaker 1>are ware, which planets are where. Yeah, it's good to

810
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.760
<v Speaker 1>do to have controls to make sure you're looking at

811
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.800
<v Speaker 1>something that shouldn't be there. But yeah, I do compare

812
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:55.159
<v Speaker 1>to satellites, rocket launches, ISS, starlink meteors, which are always

813
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 1>very fast, linear, very bright, very brief. I try to

814
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:04.679
<v Speaker 1>compare to all atmospheric, celestial and conventional phenomena. Like if

815
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a plane, it's going to have FAA light signatures,

816
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>it's going to move in a linear ballistic path, and

817
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times these objects move in a non

818
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.400
<v Speaker 1>ballistic motion, which is interesting in itself. There are things

819
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 1>that can move in a non balistic way, like drones

820
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. But the altitudes vary in an

821
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:27.760
<v Speaker 1>extreme way. Sometimes I'll be filming something at zero degrees

822
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 1>elevation that's like right above the ground, behind the tree line.

823
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes I'm filming stuff that appears to be like

824
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 1>an orbital altitude, very very far. It's all across the

825
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.159
<v Speaker 1>spectrum as far as altitudes. Never any FAA lights are sound,

826
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they're always silent.

827
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 4>Okay, of course, you know in this field it's important

828
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.800
<v Speaker 4>to be skeptical, but you're analyzing a lot of object

829
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:53.199
<v Speaker 4>Do you go out regularly.

830
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, anytime it's a clear night if the wind is low,

831
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:58.960
<v Speaker 1>because wind is something that I have to be very

832
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>considerate of my current telescopic set up. Any wind shape

833
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 1>can make motional analysis useless. If there's no wind, if

834
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 1>the environment is perfect for filming, then I'll be out

835
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 1>there filming sometimes for hours. There have been nights where

836
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't capture much, and then there's been nights where

837
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just a plethora of crazy activity in the sky.

838
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, consistency with observations has been key, and to

839
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:29.519
<v Speaker 1>keep putting out footage. Whenever I see things that don't

840
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:34.239
<v Speaker 1>match what I compare them to. If it fails all

841
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 1>categories of conventional explanation, it goes on my page. Thus

842
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the page is called Tracking the Unknown. It's something a

843
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:46.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of people conflate or mischaracterized with the word UFO.

844
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 1>It's called UFO. It means unidentified flying object, with a

845
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:57.760
<v Speaker 1>key emphasis on unidentified. I try to respect the unknown

846
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>aspect of this phenomenon. Who knows the origin of these objects?

847
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't say, so I just focus on what I

848
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 1>see in the behavioral characteristics.

849
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.960
<v Speaker 4>And do you also keep an eye on any UFO

850
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 4>reports of the state and newspaper articles any other witnesses.

851
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.679
<v Speaker 1>I have had some people message me some very interesting

852
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:21.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff that aligns with my sidings, people from all over

853
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the world since I've made the page. There's one family

854
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 1>from Portugal that sent me a message that explained that

855
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.920
<v Speaker 1>they had had physiological effects and had seen an object

856
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that was similar in profile to some of the things

857
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 1>I've recorded, and that was very interesting. It's one of

858
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 1>my favorite things to do is to connect with people

859
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 1>around the world and talk about this phenomenon with a

860
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:48.119
<v Speaker 1>more serious, analytical tone. But yeah, as far as sidings,

861
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I do follow the mouf on page and sometimes people

862
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:52.920
<v Speaker 1>put stuff on there. I'm like, oh, that's legit. I

863
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 1>can tell just looking at it and the way it's

864
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.679
<v Speaker 1>moving and it's luminosity that it matches what I see.

865
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.760
<v Speaker 1>It's easier to spot fakes nowadays, like some people will

866
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:08.039
<v Speaker 1>superimposed photos, like they'll copy and paste something into a picture,

867
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 1>or they'll generate it with AI or something. It's easy

868
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 1>to pick out from the real thing these days.

869
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:16.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, tell me about it. I get sent all that.

870
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, I've been sent. I've been sent some very

871
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:24.840
<v Speaker 1>crazy theories as well from conspiratorial thinkers. That can always

872
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 1>get interesting.

873
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.639
<v Speaker 4>Working in law enforcement. Now, when you went back to

874
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:31.559
<v Speaker 4>Saint Louis, did you mention this to your colleagues?

875
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yes, I got a little story about that. I'm

876
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 1>glad you asked. A co worker of mine. He's a

877
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:43.800
<v Speaker 1>combat veteran. He was a Navy corman and he's uh,

878
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 1>he's seen some things in his time. He's one of

879
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 1>my best buddies at work. He was one of the

880
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.440
<v Speaker 1>few people that let me tell my story from beginning

881
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 1>to end. And after I told him about August second,

882
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 1>he looked at me and said, Wow, that's that's the

883
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.960
<v Speaker 1>real deal. I can see it in your eyes. I

884
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, what do you mean. He's like, will people

885
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.639
<v Speaker 1>tell me when I tell my combat stories, I have

886
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.599
<v Speaker 1>a thousand yards stare. He's like, you had that one.

887
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:18.039
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I can see why I could. He's like,

888
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I could see it in your eyes as you told

889
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the story. He was very supportive. He still is supportive,

890
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.320
<v Speaker 1>My good buddy, Brian. Yeah, that was interesting. But other people,

891
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>like you'll start telling them, they'll interrupt you and they'll

892
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 1>try to give you some narrative like, oh, it's probably this,

893
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:34.559
<v Speaker 1>is probably that, and some people just chalk it up

894
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 1>to something normal, and I don't know. Three day recovery

895
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.079
<v Speaker 1>time is not normal with the physical symptoms, and it's

896
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot. It is a lot. And he was one

897
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of the few people I could really tell and continue

898
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to talk to about my experiences and my sightings. And

899
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.519
<v Speaker 1>and he's been a good he's been a good buddy.

900
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.480
<v Speaker 1>A few people at my upper command are also interested

901
00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 1>in the recurring videos, but I can't say I've told

902
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:03.239
<v Speaker 1>them about the story. A lot of times, I keep

903
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.760
<v Speaker 1>this story of August second, mostly to myself, because it's

904
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.119
<v Speaker 1>hard for a lot of people to digest that something

905
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>like this could lead to direct interaction if that's what

906
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it was. Yeah, cognitive dissonance is very real, especially in

907
00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the States.

908
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.559
<v Speaker 4>That's good that Brian was like that. And sometimes you

909
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 4>can say it to people and do give you that reaction.

910
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.920
<v Speaker 4>They don't even ask a question. They just kind of

911
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.119
<v Speaker 4>look around and offer up an explanation very very quickly.

912
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 4>And it's generally because they haven't experienced anything themselves. I mean,

913
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:36.119
<v Speaker 4>I've had a lot of law enforcement on here over

914
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 4>the years that I've shared the all kinds of strange stuff.

915
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we do, and I mean one of the things

916
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 1>we're trained to do is to patrol our route, establish

917
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 1>a baseline, and look for anomalies, look for things that

918
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 1>aren't supposed to be there. So that was already my

919
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:57.599
<v Speaker 1>methodology for work. I just applied that to hear established baselines,

920
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 1>learned about FA a signatures and how a plane is

921
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>supposed to look as opposed to how it's not supposed

922
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.159
<v Speaker 1>to look, you know, and the A tip observables. That's

923
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.119
<v Speaker 1>been a huge foundational aspect of being able to spot

924
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:17.519
<v Speaker 1>these objects and differentiate them from conventional ones. But yeah,

925
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.599
<v Speaker 1>that law enforcement background, it definitely helps, especially with objectivity

926
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and spotting things that aren't supposed to be there, because

927
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 1>that's what we do every day.

928
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:28.800
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't agree more. In fact, you could probably train

929
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.639
<v Speaker 4>a few Movefon investigators.

930
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, my goodness. I don't want to get

931
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:38.519
<v Speaker 1>a big head over here, but thank you. Move on Now.

932
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 1>They're all over the place there. There's some interesting folks

933
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:44.760
<v Speaker 1>in MOFON, and some of them are incredible. Debbie Ziegelmeyer

934
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:48.360
<v Speaker 1>really impressed me. She was one of the reasons why

935
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.679
<v Speaker 1>I kept spotting these objects is because she said, oh,

936
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>these sightings are sometimes reoccurring. And so I took that

937
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:58.119
<v Speaker 1>note and I was like, Okay, I'll test that theory,

938
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.559
<v Speaker 1>and I started spotting more and and more. So I

939
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:02.920
<v Speaker 1>thank her for that.

940
01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:06.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, Margie K mentioned Margie.

941
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Missouri state director of move On. I was dealing

942
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 1>directly with her for quite a while emailing back and forth,

943
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of were independent because observation bias is

944
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:19.920
<v Speaker 1>a big reason some people see what they want to see.

945
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And I feel as though I'm quite disciplined now. I

946
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.840
<v Speaker 1>have a pretty strict methodology and just been independent as

947
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:28.239
<v Speaker 1>of late. Join move on.

948
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.639
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they could always use someone. Don't your your expertise.

949
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 4>To be honest with you to our listeners. If you're

950
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:38.000
<v Speaker 4>interested in following Jeff's work with Track and the Unknown,

951
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.639
<v Speaker 4>what I'll do is I'll put all this information below

952
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.280
<v Speaker 4>in the description and on the website, because Jeff, you've

953
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.039
<v Speaker 4>got a lot of videos up there on your YouTube channel.

954
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, yes, Facebook, YouTube x and Instagram. It's it's quite

955
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a large data set.

956
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 4>Great stuff. Well, we wish you the best of luck

957
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.639
<v Speaker 4>and certainly keep us updated. If you do experience anything

958
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.679
<v Speaker 4>like you did back in August, to do let us know,

959
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 4>and of course keep yourself safe.

960
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, I'll utilize situational awareness and fingers crossed that

961
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:13.159
<v Speaker 1>that does not happen again. I'd rather not go through

962
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.360
<v Speaker 1>all that again. But thank you so much for having

963
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.199
<v Speaker 1>me on your podcast. It's truly a pleasure.

964
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Speaker 4>But it didn't stop you did it because you went

965
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.000
<v Speaker 4>back out again just a few weeks later.

966
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm I'm pretty stubborn. I'm very stubborn because before

967
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.639
<v Speaker 1>August second, it was it was all video recording. After

968
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.440
<v Speaker 1>August second, I decided to up the game, get more recordings,

969
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 1>and then even go telescopic, and I continue to keep

970
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.880
<v Speaker 1>upgrading optics and the goal is to get the clearest

971
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 1>captures of these objects possible.

972
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.480
<v Speaker 4>So you're going to keep on upgrade in the equipment.

973
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.519
<v Speaker 4>So you've got a bug. Now you've got the bug.

974
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it's a need.

975
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:55.199
<v Speaker 4>To know, you know, a need to try and capture

976
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:57.639
<v Speaker 4>and document the unexplained.

977
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, because it's it's more common than most people

978
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:04.840
<v Speaker 1>could possibly imagine. I guess that's the only way I

979
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:09.920
<v Speaker 1>could put it. It's a recurrent, constant thing day and night.

980
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Because yeah, the goal is to spread awareness and get

981
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:19.400
<v Speaker 1>people to understand that there is truly unknown objects in

982
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.039
<v Speaker 1>our skis. I know, I'm like a broken record over here.

983
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 4>Where do you stand on this subject? I mean, would

984
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 4>you say you're very physical and evidence orientated that's some boats.

985
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Is that kind of where you stand or are you

986
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:33.079
<v Speaker 4>open to it all?

987
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.679
<v Speaker 1>I take theories with a grain of salt. But I

988
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:40.000
<v Speaker 1>do have the mindset of great discoveries require great evidence.

989
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:43.039
<v Speaker 1>So the more evidence I can collect and put out there,

990
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the better. And there is a big distinction between evidence

991
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and proof, and evidence is the best thing you could

992
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:55.239
<v Speaker 1>capture with this phenomenon. For proof is borderline impossible to

993
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.400
<v Speaker 1>come by. Yeah, I guess it's a very evidence spased

994
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.719
<v Speaker 1>mindset and analysis before assumption. That's where I go, That's where.

995
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:03.880
<v Speaker 4>I lean good stuff.

996
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for having me on. I'm honored.

997
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

998
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, keep documenting and watching them skies, Jeff.

999
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, thanks for letting me Rands on your show.

1000
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:13.960
<v Speaker 1>It's been an honor.

1001
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Now you're more than welcome, Jeff. I really appreciate you

1002
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:18.559
<v Speaker 4>coming on sharing that for our listeners.

1003
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for having me, sir, and we.

1004
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 4>Will speak soon and enjoy the rest of your day

1005
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 4>you as well, sir. Take care bye for now, Jeff, Hi, bye.

1006
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.639
<v Speaker 4>Well that is all for this episode. Keep updated and

1007
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.639
<v Speaker 4>connected with the show on x, Facebook and Instagram, And

1008
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.719
<v Speaker 4>if you have an encounter that you'd like to share

1009
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:40.719
<v Speaker 4>on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles

1010
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:43.920
<v Speaker 4>at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to

1011
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.719
<v Speaker 4>me via the contact page on my website, UFO Chronicles

1012
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.599
<v Speaker 4>podcast dot com. A big fangaded Jeff for sharing tonight,

1013
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.320
<v Speaker 4>and thank you all for listening. I will be back

1014
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:59.039
<v Speaker 4>next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies.

1015
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Goodbye,
