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Speaker 2: So everybody knows who the Ananachy are. Everybody, I mean,
Speaker 2: no matter what you've studied, h you've heard of the Ananachi,
Speaker 2: which is they are a mysterious group of individuals.
Speaker 6: And this all started because how I grew up.
Speaker 2: I grew up in the Catholic Church, and I was
Speaker 2: told there was only one God. But then I would
Speaker 2: go to school and meet different people from different parts
Speaker 2: of the world, and they would tell me about their
Speaker 2: gods and you know, it wouldn't be the same one
Speaker 2: as I had, and so on and so forth. So
Speaker 2: I wanted to learn more about it, and I just
Speaker 2: couldn't understand why God would, uh, you know, only have.
Speaker 6: One group of people.
Speaker 2: Then of course, when I read the Bible, he does
Speaker 2: have a chosen people, and most people know.
Speaker 6: I know that.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is that when you hear about the Eloheme,
Speaker 2: a lot of people equate them to them being many.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, the Samarians are considered the first civilization because of
Speaker 2: their writing system.
Speaker 6: That's that's not an argument.
Speaker 2: That's you know about the roundabout time that most people
Speaker 2: agree with. And the Samarians actually called them the Anna.
Speaker 2: So with one of my favorite sources that has anything
Speaker 2: to do with the Samerians and Nuna slash, the Anaki
Speaker 2: is the literature of ancient sumer which is the book
Speaker 2: on the right hand side, and then the electronic text
Speaker 2: corporates on the Samarian literature on the left side. Now
Speaker 2: there's also individuals like Samuel Noah Kramer, Jacob Sanpatio, Jeremy
Speaker 2: Black and Heiser, and then you have Andrew George, George
Speaker 2: Smith and Irving Finkol. Even but most people know about
Speaker 2: the Ananaki or Slash and Nuna. They they know Zacharai
Speaker 2: Sitzen more than they know about Samuel Noa Kramer, which
Speaker 2: is is kind of funny to me because of the
Speaker 2: simple fact that, uh, Samuel Nol Kramer is actually like
Speaker 2: the go to guy for this.
Speaker 6: Like he's he's you know, respected a lot.
Speaker 2: Then Michael as Heiser, which is funny to me, is uh,
Speaker 2: let me see, Uh, he actually has a website called
Speaker 2: sitchen is Wrong dot com. So he was so pissed
Speaker 2: that Zachari Sitchen was lying about that and Slash and
Speaker 2: Nuna that he made a website literally called.
Speaker 6: Sitchen is wrong dot com. So that tripped me out.
Speaker 2: But this is the thing, even though that tripped me
Speaker 2: out and made me laugh, he actually was able to
Speaker 2: provide sources on why he said he was wrong. So
Speaker 2: like I'm a source kind of a person. Anybody that
Speaker 2: knows me I like this. I like to see where
Speaker 2: you learned it from. I'm not saying you're right or wrong.
Speaker 2: I just want to know where you learned it from.
Speaker 2: And doctor Michael s. Heiser said, everybody has the opportunity
Speaker 2: to read these texts for themselves and have the opportunity
Speaker 2: to also, you know, learn what it's actually has said.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So, the Cuneiform Digital Library Collection Cuniform Digital Library Initiative,
Speaker 2: which is called the CDLI Collection, is a website you
Speaker 2: can go to where you can actually see the tablets
Speaker 2: for yourself, so you can see what the tablets look like.
Speaker 2: They have multiple pictures and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: So there's no denying that. Nobody can go take their
Speaker 2: due diligence in their time learning the language and then
Speaker 2: share for themselves.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So there's that's that's yourself to the person that you
Speaker 2: know is wanting to know the language for themselves to
Speaker 2: prove somebody wrong. Like I said, I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: prove anybody wrong. I just want to know what the
Speaker 2: tablet says. That says that, so that way I can
Speaker 2: see the description for myself because they have descriptions on
Speaker 2: there and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Now, what is interesting.
Speaker 2: Is the reason why those two sources are all those
Speaker 2: sources that I showed you so far are important, is because,
Speaker 2: according to the Literature of Ancient Sumor, which is the book,
Speaker 2: these translations of Samarian literature, literature constitute the most comprehensive collection.
Speaker 6: Ever published of the world's earliest literature.
Speaker 2: The composition in this book were mainly inscribed on clay
Speaker 2: tablet dating to the eighteenth century BC, which is eighteen
Speaker 2: hundred to seventeen o one BC. That's what it says
Speaker 2: on the back of the book. I took that straight
Speaker 2: from the back of the book. And then you have
Speaker 2: the electronic text Corpus of Samerian Literature, which is literally
Speaker 2: the online version of the book. So you can get
Speaker 2: the book version or you can get the read the
Speaker 2: free online version that everybody's happened the opportunity to.
Speaker 6: Go online and do it.
Speaker 2: And they say anywhere it says and date to the
Speaker 2: late third and early second millennia BCE.
Speaker 6: So that's actually from their website.
Speaker 2: Let me see when you go right here, it tells
Speaker 2: you in that little box right there on the introduction
Speaker 2: on left hand side, so it gives you you know,
Speaker 2: their sources Now, like I said, the Samara writing system
Speaker 2: known as cuniform was originally developed around thirty two hundred BC.
Speaker 2: That's I actually took a class and they said that's
Speaker 2: because of the picto graphic script. And most of it
Speaker 2: was to you know, for trade, for records for like
Speaker 2: trading and using grain rate rations and livestocks and tax
Speaker 2: receipts and stuff like that. So it was more for
Speaker 2: you know, the the idea that it was for trading
Speaker 2: basically agricultural needs. And then it later on became into
Speaker 2: the more you know, uh advanced writing system that they
Speaker 2: have with the cuneiform. But what the Akkadians did is
Speaker 2: they had all that plus the myths and stories of
Speaker 2: their gods and stuff like that. S Marriage really didn't
Speaker 2: have any have any stories like that. They had, you know,
Speaker 2: the picto graphics script what that would.
Speaker 6: Be depicted as their god or whatnot, but they didn't.
Speaker 6: If it's like a story with.
Speaker 2: It, it's It's interesting because the the Samerian word, the
Speaker 2: Samerian word for the Samaran language is eminger, which probably
Speaker 2: means normal language. So they have names what they call
Speaker 2: these these uh the this this language. They have a
Speaker 2: you know, a word for it and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and it's in elect trying to test corpus of Samarian literature.
Speaker 2: And but the problem is is that everybody has their
Speaker 2: different translations. That's why you have different translations of what
Speaker 2: is example as the Epic of Gilgamesh. A lot of
Speaker 2: people don't really understand that or all that, but you
Speaker 2: can definitely.
Speaker 6: Read, uh, the many.
Speaker 2: Different versions and they say they say that they have
Speaker 2: different versions of it, and it gets more interesting as
Speaker 2: you as you learn about it. Also, but the Samarians
Speaker 2: are usually known as the black headed people. So everybody's wondering,
Speaker 2: where did these people come from? Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And what I've learned is that the black headed people
Speaker 2: often meaning all humans mankind in some cases learned. I've
Speaker 2: learned that they were known as brothers. So that gives
Speaker 2: me the idea of the Masons, because the Masons were
Speaker 2: known as brothers to each other sometimes too. And most
Speaker 2: people know that the Samerians were a polytheistic religion, worshiping
Speaker 2: many different gods of the Anuna slash Ananaki. And like
Speaker 2: I said, it wasn't until the Akkadians timeframe, or I
Speaker 2: said in the past that the Akkadians are the ones
Speaker 2: that actually called them the Ananaki. The Samerians called them
Speaker 2: the Anuna. They and there's not really too much information
Speaker 2: in the Samerian and this is where it gets confusing.
Speaker 2: So the Samerian civilization happened around thirty two hundred BC, okay,
Speaker 2: and then the Akkadians came around twenty three hundred some BC,
Speaker 2: and they took over when Sargon of Aaka came.
Speaker 6: So, but the language itself lasted for a long time.
Speaker 2: I've read all the way up to one a d
Speaker 2: in some cases, and some people even say that it
Speaker 2: still lives today because people are still writing in that
Speaker 2: language today.
Speaker 6: But you know that's only a select few.
Speaker 2: But the Ananaki were a group of individuals who are
Speaker 2: consistent too. From what I've read, anywhere from like seven
Speaker 2: to twelve, and then even went past twelve. Sometimes it
Speaker 2: was fifty, sometimes it was sixty. It was just different amounts.
Speaker 2: But most people say that is their seven to twelve
Speaker 2: main ones.
Speaker 6: And when I.
Speaker 2: Put this little sign that's right here, uh, that's the
Speaker 2: and Nuna. That's an and new sign also known as
Speaker 2: ann And in this sign it is supposed to be
Speaker 2: the sign of the suns for some people who say that.
Speaker 2: So some people say that's supposed to be their depiction
Speaker 2: of the son. Some people say different things. But these
Speaker 2: and Nuna gods were just basically the same guys that
Speaker 2: we know as what the god in the Bible is,
Speaker 2: the different personality, you know, the Elohem and so on
Speaker 2: and so forth. And each Samerian city state had a
Speaker 2: worship uh, specific gods. That's why, like I said here
Speaker 2: with Elohem, some people you know, they found you know,
Speaker 2: stories in these areas you're nipper and error do and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and each one of those places had
Speaker 2: their own god that they worship and uh and pray to.
Speaker 2: Let's see, Yeah, the Nena are credited for the creation
Speaker 2: of universe and everything within it. So everybody's every time
Speaker 2: somebody says, well, how did these guys come to be?
Speaker 2: How did these stories about gods come to be? And
Speaker 2: so on and so forth, it's just a way of
Speaker 2: people just telling their stories for entertainment, like how we
Speaker 2: watch TV today or listen to podcasts and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's their entertainment and they're trying to make
Speaker 2: sense of the world just like we are. But they're
Speaker 2: doing it in their most easiest, uh entertaining way for themselves.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people people will say that
Speaker 2: the Samerians talk about how the Nuna slash Anaki comes
Speaker 2: from a planet Nibirum. Well, there isn't no text that
Speaker 2: says that. There's not one zero text that says that
Speaker 2: they came from Nebru. But there are Babylonian texts that
Speaker 2: talk about how Jupiter could be Neverru and so on
Speaker 2: and so forth, just depending on what text that you read.
Speaker 2: But it's Babylonian, it's not it's not the Samerians. And uh,
Speaker 2: the ls I asked the question, Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: Just directly on what you said.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry to interrupt, But so where I'm curious where
Speaker 10: who started inserting this idea of the planet Nibiru Do
Speaker 10: you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah that yeah, yep, exactly. That comes from such a
Speaker 2: uh his book the Twelfth Planet.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 2: He has a series called the Earth Chronicles that has
Speaker 2: his seven important books that gives you know, the most
Speaker 2: uh reasons, why who and what the.
Speaker 6: Slice an Inaki are.
Speaker 2: But he is the he's the he is the guy
Speaker 2: that says they came from planet in neighborhood. Now I
Speaker 2: don't Now this is the thing. I can't say for
Speaker 2: a fact if he's lying or not. But what I
Speaker 2: can say is that he hasn't been able to provide,
Speaker 2: he hasn't been able to provide, you know, a source
Speaker 2: for his for for what he claimed.
Speaker 10: That's what I was getting at, and thank you you
Speaker 10: answered it perfectly. Is you know, so many people seem
Speaker 10: to take just that facet right of this story or
Speaker 10: whatever it is. So seriously, I think it's important to
Speaker 10: point out, as you were, that so much of this
Speaker 10: doesn't come from what we know of as as sources.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jesson, you have to take in consideration that when
Speaker 5: these Sitchen books came out, we are writing the heated
Speaker 5: moment of space exploration, right, so we are starting to
Speaker 5: use this powerful rockets to reach space and even the moon.
Speaker 5: And right he wrote that saying that these people, Theannaki,
Speaker 5: had the same technology. Because he described the problem, Tyrone
Speaker 5: said he doesn't provide sources. Well, he provides exactly the
Speaker 5: same sources as the others. The only thing is he
Speaker 5: he interpreted the tablets as he pleased. So the problem
Speaker 5: is when we start seeing people that are really academics
Speaker 5: and they are really understanding the language starting translating it.
Speaker 5: And we compare what the translations of Sitchen where the
Speaker 5: man was on exit. Right, because his translations were like
Speaker 5: a novel, it makes it amazing, right, it's I think
Speaker 5: it's thirty six books, Tyrone. Total, I have the full collection,
Speaker 5: but I think it's a lot of them. Wow, very rude.
Speaker 5: I think there are yeah, I think there are twelve
Speaker 5: or fourteen or something like the main ones. And then
Speaker 5: he explored that around the problem is his translations are
Speaker 5: not accurate, and only before he was about to die,
Speaker 5: just months before, he did a statement saying that all
Speaker 5: he did was invent and he wanted to create an
Speaker 5: epic story, but that was never become public and it's
Speaker 5: hard to find. So sorry, Tyrone, I'm taking your space.
Speaker 6: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's that's exactly right. See, this is
Speaker 2: the thing. I got into this, like I said, because
Speaker 2: of my religious background, and everybody in Sitchen wrote these
Speaker 2: books in his first book in nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 6: That was before I was born, So.
Speaker 2: You know, I had an idea either it was a
Speaker 2: god that you know they tell me in the church,
Speaker 2: or is it's you know, an alien extraterrestrial. But what
Speaker 2: is an alien extraterrestrial? Well, an extra trustier, is anything
Speaker 2: outside of Earth's atmosphere, Right, I got that?
Speaker 6: Okay, cool, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2: That means God is not from this planet, meaning he's
Speaker 2: outside of our Earth's atmosphere, which means he's an extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2: So the argument is is what did he look like
Speaker 2: and why did he create us? That's just my That's
Speaker 2: how I'm thinking as I'm getting older and older and
Speaker 2: going through my journey.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 2: So it could it be something It could be something
Speaker 2: like this seriously, or it could be like I said,
Speaker 2: was written in a Bible. Because God is not from
Speaker 2: planet Earth, right, he created Earth, right, he created the universe,
Speaker 2: so he had to come from somewhere else.
Speaker 10: And that's why outside of time and space as we
Speaker 10: know it is just would be my throw in there,
Speaker 10: you know, that's where it comes from. But what you
Speaker 10: described is, man, it's perfect. You know. It is a
Speaker 10: step in this process right of searching that we're all
Speaker 10: engaged in, you know, and whether you're trying to find
Speaker 10: it and you know, think of it from the material right,
Speaker 10: which is kind of kind of what you're talking about
Speaker 10: here finding this that is defined as from outside of
Speaker 10: this sphere, right that we live in either way, whether
Speaker 10: you're doing it there or more along the spiritual lines,
Speaker 10: you know, of seeking this this entity that does not
Speaker 10: have flesh and blood, that is outside of the time,
Speaker 10: either way or perfectly valid and wonderful parts of the problem.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ryan, what do you think about the fact that.
Speaker 10: You've really enjoying this?
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 5: Thirty two hundred BC, right, so we know that the
Speaker 5: Burger Crater was around from four thousand BC to thirty
Speaker 5: six hundred BC, which give them either eight hundred years
Speaker 5: or six hundred years to rebuild civilization. We're talking about
Speaker 5: a highly animistic culture. So they have these names for
Speaker 5: these forces of nature, for the elements, and they know
Speaker 5: that something happened that covered the land with water. We
Speaker 5: had weeks of draining boiling water.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 5: Ten weeks of water flooding the land. We have the
Speaker 5: movement of the seas eradicating everything and forcing them to rebuild.
Speaker 5: I think it's easy to understand why they create this
Speaker 5: myths with all these gods fighting among each other, destroying
Speaker 5: the world and recreating man and the fact that have
Speaker 5: powers to that. I think it's easy to understand how they,
Speaker 5: with our own language and in their own culture describe
Speaker 5: this myths. That's the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's what I'm saying is that I
Speaker 2: wanted I just wanted sources for what it says, like
Speaker 2: where are people getting this from? You know, like I
Speaker 2: want to read the story completely for myself. I don't
Speaker 2: want to, you know, you to give me the snippet,
Speaker 2: you know, because of fair use, right, you can only
Speaker 2: give me a snippet because of fair use, and you know,
Speaker 2: and you know, like I said, one of my favorite
Speaker 2: sources is the literature of Ancient sumer that's the book
Speaker 2: version of the electronic text Corpus of Samarian literature. But
Speaker 2: what's so interesting about the nuna slash the anonaki is
Speaker 2: that when you go to the back of the book,
Speaker 2: the gigy is a collective name for the great gods, okay,
Speaker 2: And then when you look at what a nuna stand for,
Speaker 2: it says a collective name for the gods. But most
Speaker 2: people know that the gigy were the ones that were
Speaker 2: toiling the earth. So now my question is why were
Speaker 2: the great gods toiling the earth? For the regular gods right,
Speaker 2: because a nuna weren't considered the great gods the gig
Speaker 2: or II. I mean, I've heard it said so many
Speaker 2: different ways.
Speaker 6: Uh they they are.
Speaker 2: It's a collective name for the great gods. So these
Speaker 2: are great gods. Okay, So who were really the Nuna?
Speaker 2: The Ananaki? And you know, when you read uh Sitchen,
Speaker 2: he has many different versions which I'll get into about
Speaker 2: what Uhaki meant, but it mainly meant princely offspring or
Speaker 2: princely c It didn't mean something like those who came
Speaker 2: from earth heaven to earth or something like that. Like
Speaker 2: there's and and I'll get into that in a second,
Speaker 2: because that's important.
Speaker 6: But when I say that.
Speaker 5: The gig are the contrapart of the odd god in
Speaker 5: Egyptian mythology, because they are also not named, we don't
Speaker 5: know vaguely about them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, see that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know because I grew up learning that the
Speaker 2: and n you know, were these were the most important gods.
Speaker 2: But then I pick up that book and learn about that,
Speaker 2: like trying to test. Yeah, and I find out that
Speaker 2: they're they're the great gods. So now it just tells me.
Speaker 2: So there are gods that were greater than Ananaki? And
Speaker 2: why were they toiling this earth?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And what it doesn't mean to toil the earth to you?
Speaker 2: Well, to me, I think it had to do agricultural needs.
Speaker 2: Could because the guys.
Speaker 6: Could be like, are you getting into like terraforming or something?
Speaker 5: Maybe, because what does the word mean to them? Not
Speaker 5: to us?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's where else do we.
Speaker 10: Hear the word toil. We hear the word men toiled
Speaker 10: in the Bible, right, we're cast out of the garden
Speaker 10: to toil, you know, upon the earth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And if they were all.
Speaker 10: Human beings, let's just you know, I think, like Hancock
Speaker 10: takes that line, Ricardo's kind of tapping on that line,
Speaker 10: if these were perhaps different variants of different advancement levels
Speaker 10: of human beings, that turns us into an interesting story.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, it's just to me, it's just it's just
Speaker 11: you learn something different every time you pick up, you know,
Speaker 11: a version of who the.
Speaker 6: And that's why I gave you know.
Speaker 2: The earlier when I said, or was it the two
Speaker 2: different dates that they give around about for the sources,
Speaker 2: these are the same exact sources. So what's in ETCSL
Speaker 2: is in the Sumearian is in that book.
Speaker 6: It's literally in the book. It's just you can have
Speaker 6: a hard copy of it.
Speaker 2: But they give two different dates on what these you know,
Speaker 2: what they put in.
Speaker 6: There, but for some reasons it's the same stuff.
Speaker 2: So it's just it just makes you think, you know, what,
Speaker 2: what you know, why they're moving the gold poles to
Speaker 2: create a better narrative or whatever.
Speaker 10: Why why there's certain recent dates aren't they aren't those dates?
Speaker 10: You know when we talk like go back like tape, right,
Speaker 10: that's whatever, nine thousand BC. Seeing two thousand and one
Speaker 10: thousand BC as sources for stories supposedly about the origins
Speaker 10: or the ancient ones, that just seems recent.
Speaker 2: When I said this, yeah, and that's why, And I'm
Speaker 2: glad you brought that up, because on go back to the
Speaker 2: Tepe on the pillars, they have what's picked up what
Speaker 2: are known as picto grass. Well, language started off by
Speaker 2: picto grass. Just because we don't understand what those pillars
Speaker 2: are saying doesn't mean that there's not a language or
Speaker 2: or a story behind it.
Speaker 6: We just don't understand it yet.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe somebody does and nobody just doesn't want
Speaker 2: to say that that person's correct.
Speaker 10: So there's a reason they're not excavating any Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: more man, they saw the first of the story and
Speaker 10: they went, oh shit, we know where this goes.
Speaker 1: Don't let them read it.
Speaker 5: You know something that it's a matter of interpretation. When
Speaker 5: you look at the kipo, that the language of the
Speaker 5: Pacific that is just nuts aligned with perpendicular other lines
Speaker 5: that have not seen them. How on earth did an
Speaker 5: academic look at that and thought, oh, this is the
Speaker 5: language right? It's it's extremely fortunate. So we might be
Speaker 5: missing a lot by just looking at art rock art
Speaker 5: or to picturegram and not realizing the whole story behind it.
Speaker 5: It just might be a minmonic to a complete well story.
Speaker 10: One thing you're not going to do is what like
Speaker 10: just we're covering here, is you're not going to try
Speaker 10: to communicate to the ages through through written text. You know,
Speaker 10: if you know about age is an epos, You're going
Speaker 10: to try to communicate to the next one through what
Speaker 10: you just said, pictographs, right, and then stone.
Speaker 5: An oral tradition that the company is it. We don't
Speaker 5: need to write it because you keep it alive. Just today.
Speaker 5: We don't have time to keep history alive. We need
Speaker 5: podcasts because then people will together and share stories constantly
Speaker 5: because they have nothing else to do, right.
Speaker 6: And you know, and and and that's that's that's it.
Speaker 2: Like I said that, these stories were told just like
Speaker 2: how TV and podcasting is to entertained people today, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And good TV and podcasting because there was no bullshit.
Speaker 5: Everything was useful. There is a teaching behind everything. There
Speaker 5: was a moral story, There is a teaching correct.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I think storyteller is probably our oldest
Speaker 10: role next to shaman as human beings, you know, and
Speaker 10: probably our most sacred. That's it's just been my belief
Speaker 10: for a long time, the telling stories. Like you say,
Speaker 10: that's how we first did this thing you know that
Speaker 10: we're doing now with all this technology. So yeah, storytellers
Speaker 10: for a long time for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's why I say, you know, you uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I just want to see where this person learned it from,
Speaker 2: because I don't want somebody to add to the story
Speaker 2: or that that doesn't need to be there, because then
Speaker 2: that just throws me in a loop.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: If I if you say something that's interesting, I'm going
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, let me read where you got
Speaker 2: that from, because I want to read that story of myself.
Speaker 2: And you just say, hey, go do your own research,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what you're talking to their own personal.
Speaker 6: Research?
Speaker 5: But to you all, would you believe today, as it
Speaker 5: was believed then in the seventies, that the rays of
Speaker 5: alien beings that coming from a planet is circling thirty
Speaker 5: sex hundred rotation cycle of coming in rockets? Would we
Speaker 5: believe it today that we can do interstellars travel with
Speaker 5: rockets with something that runs out, It doesn't work if
Speaker 5: you're coming from out space. You're not coming from fuel rockets, right,
Speaker 5: That's that's primitive technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's that's I say that too because
Speaker 2: they say that there are these four hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: they came here four hundred and fifty thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what a lot of people believe because
Speaker 2: at the.
Speaker 5: Time, rockets were the most advanced thing that we had,
Speaker 5: right right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, or that we knew about collectively.
Speaker 2: But see, this is and this is and this is
Speaker 2: why it gets interesting to me because you know, we
Speaker 2: you know, they do have a god that's known as
Speaker 2: the Sky Father, and he's a new so some people believe,
Speaker 2: you know, because he is known as the sky guy,
Speaker 2: got that he came from the sky. Well, a lot
Speaker 2: of times if you look at a lot of these
Speaker 2: ancient sites that had their gods or anything that was
Speaker 2: in around, they were usually on a higher land than.
Speaker 6: The people below.
Speaker 2: Uh uh it's almost like, yeah, they just they had
Speaker 2: to show that they were on a higher status and
Speaker 2: that's how they did it.
Speaker 6: And that's why a lot of.
Speaker 2: Times some people like think of it like Mount Olympus
Speaker 2: or something like that from the Greeks and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So that's that's a good example mountains where they're at.
Speaker 6: But each god had their own thing.
Speaker 2: Like I said, there was many different Nuna slash and
Speaker 2: the Naka guys, but they're not all from the Sumerian.
Speaker 2: Some of them was added later on, like mar Duke
Speaker 2: was later added on through uh the Babylonian time frame.
Speaker 6: Later timeframe.
Speaker 1: So where did Tat come from?
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, yeah, numa Elish exactly. So that's a
Speaker 2: good point. So the numa Elish is where h is
Speaker 2: basically the most descriptive creation story out there, and it
Speaker 2: tells you how the gods were created, how the universe
Speaker 2: was created, how Earth and so on and so forth
Speaker 2: was created and stuff like that. And this is numa
Speaker 2: Elish was told during the a Keto festival, So I
Speaker 2: forgot I had that on the slide.
Speaker 6: This the Keto festival.
Speaker 2: So the Keito festival was celebrated at the Samerian timeframe.
Speaker 2: But the enuma Elish came about later on when during
Speaker 2: the Babylonian high frame, which is basically just the whole creation.
Speaker 2: It's called the Seventh Tablets of Creation, or there's different way,
Speaker 2: different names for it, of course, but most people just
Speaker 2: know it as the numa Elish, And that's where you
Speaker 2: get most of all the creation story about everything, and
Speaker 2: that's that's not that's okay. So that's where a lot
Speaker 2: of people say, well, the Samarians talk about Nibru and
Speaker 2: being a planet and stuff like that. No, that was
Speaker 2: the Babylonians. Sometimes Jupiter was known as Nibru, and it
Speaker 2: was only for them to describe their gods, no difference
Speaker 2: than how the Greeks described their gods.
Speaker 6: On planets and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Now what's very interesting is remember when I was saying
Speaker 2: that where that zach Riich session says that they came
Speaker 2: from planets Nibbru thirty six hundred years ago blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, or every thirty six hundred years the orbits
Speaker 2: our planet or the Sun or whatnot, blah blah blah. Well,
Speaker 2: when he passed away, his niece published this book called
Speaker 2: the In and Aki Chronicles, and it includes never before
Speaker 2: published writings which you can see right here, right so
Speaker 2: right here, he says the Hebrew original named them nephelim.
Speaker 2: The teacher explained that it meant giants, but I objected, didn't
Speaker 2: it mean literally those who were cast down who had
Speaker 2: descended to Earth. That's where you get one of the descriptions. Now,
Speaker 2: he talked about that before, about as many things, but
Speaker 2: this is where he writes it. He has another version, okay,
Speaker 2: in the same book he literally wrote those who came
Speaker 2: or descended to Earth. That's another one, right, So you're
Speaker 2: gonna you know, no different versions because of that. Then
Speaker 2: he has a third one, those who from Heaven to
Speaker 2: Earth came, and it said the exact meaning of the
Speaker 2: Hebrew term nephelim that the Bible used. Well, if you
Speaker 2: go to the Strong concordance fifty three or Old three,
Speaker 2: nephilim literally means just fall.
Speaker 6: Okay, the word origin fall.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't mean that they fell from heaven or
Speaker 2: you know, they you know, felled and hurt themselves. They
Speaker 2: fell out of being righteous people, I guess, or I
Speaker 2: don't know. It could be anything, right, It just means
Speaker 2: fall and put your interpretation in there.
Speaker 10: Well, it sounds like he's pulling from the Book of
Speaker 10: Enoch a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing.
Speaker 10: Sounds like he's pulling from knock a lot.
Speaker 5: He was very well learned. It was very well learned. Yeah,
Speaker 5: poor translation.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's not a bad person to learn from.
Speaker 2: The only thing I really disagree with him on is
Speaker 2: the fact that there's no planet never that orbits our
Speaker 2: son every thirty six hundred years. I'll make it very clear.
Speaker 2: I believe there's extra trrestials. I believe there's aliens. If
Speaker 2: they say scientifically that there's a billion planets and a
Speaker 2: billion galaxies and so on and so forth and these
Speaker 2: if they say one percent, one percent doesn't mean one thing.
Speaker 6: It means a multiple of things. But it could just
Speaker 6: be a small amount.
Speaker 2: So there has to be at least two or three
Speaker 2: other habital planets like us, and they could be something
Speaker 2: that is more advanced than us. Who knows, but he
Speaker 2: gives three different meanings of what he means. What what
Speaker 2: nephilom in all this means? You know, and you can't
Speaker 2: do confusing.
Speaker 10: All this higher lower, you know, that's what we do
Speaker 10: when we're talking. Look my experience, he said, you believe
Speaker 10: because of all the numbers out here in nature, right,
Speaker 10: the numbers of planets, I believe there's something else because
Speaker 10: of personal experience, right, you know, day and night time,
Speaker 10: there are things that can be part of this material universe.
Speaker 10: I can confirm that that can do things that we
Speaker 10: don't think are possible. While they're in this material universe.
Speaker 10: They can also bleep out and be gone. Right, So
Speaker 10: my experience tells me to look at it dimensionally, right,
Speaker 10: which we're all learning. Ricardo tapped on too. They're not
Speaker 10: coming here with rockets, but there's certainly you know, coming
Speaker 10: here in some shape or form.
Speaker 5: What will work here already or made us one.
Speaker 10: Well, that's the thing, you know, stay here, you can
Speaker 10: you can extrapolate. Man, Whenever I talk on this, you know,
Speaker 10: and I say my experience, I try to just present
Speaker 10: it as such, right, just the basic kernel that I
Speaker 10: got from the experience, right, And then how you apply that,
Speaker 10: You know, how when I apply it is up to
Speaker 10: is up to you, just like when we read and
Speaker 10: hear this stuff, you know how we interpret it.
Speaker 5: When we first start looking at the human frequencies and
Speaker 5: how they relate to the Earth and so on. The
Speaker 5: first reports from science that are now completely removed word
Speaker 5: that our frequency was tuned exactly to the frequency of
Speaker 5: Mars and not of the Earth. And that's circulated for
Speaker 5: about six seven years and then it vanished. And now
Speaker 5: if you look, they'll tell you that we are completely
Speaker 5: tuned to the frequency of the Earth, to the human frequency.
Speaker 5: But the initial tell from science was it was from Mars. Right,
Speaker 5: So perhaps we are the aliens and we see that
Speaker 5: Mars was completely devastated, right, So how you got here?
Speaker 2: M I mean people say that that that there's enough
Speaker 2: evidence that people say that that possibly happened, because what
Speaker 2: is what is actually evidence? Well, evidence is just something
Speaker 2: that you can prove that. I give an example of
Speaker 2: what evidence can do to somebody. There are people right
Speaker 2: now in the United States prison system who's in prison
Speaker 2: for a crime they haven't done, but there was enough
Speaker 2: evidence to prosecute them and put them in prison. Right,
Speaker 2: So if they can make a mistake like that, then
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, what is really evidence? So doron'ing
Speaker 2: that word evidence out there doesn't mean a lot to
Speaker 2: some people out there.
Speaker 6: I know that because I know about the judicial system.
Speaker 9: It's more interpretation of the evidence exactly.
Speaker 3: If one direction or another, then you're going to get
Speaker 3: the conclusion that you're seeking.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you know that's what I've said every time.
Speaker 2: Narrative narrative narratives at every single time.
Speaker 6: That's how you want to.
Speaker 5: The problem comes from lower still, because the problem is
Speaker 5: the foundations of our science and interpretation of past history.
Speaker 5: And we build upon those foundations and we follow that
Speaker 5: that line, and so it doesn't allow to create something
Speaker 5: that is completely different because we are building from a
Speaker 5: system that was that serves as a base. That's why,
Speaker 5: for instance, astrophysics is failing dramatically to what they are
Speaker 5: finding with the new Sensus, because it doesn't fill on
Speaker 5: the foundations that then grows and builds the city into
Speaker 5: the science that we use to interpret the universe, and
Speaker 5: yet it fails completely. And in terms of history, we
Speaker 5: are also using evidence, but that evidence is only evidence
Speaker 5: because it fits with the foundation that we build to
Speaker 5: understand that same history. This is a bit complicated, and
Speaker 5: probably I'm being very confusing, but I hope you understood
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 6: No, I hear you. No, Yeah, I do too, And yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10: It creates a problem, man. The narrative blindness just takes effect,
Speaker 10: rolls on and on and on down the line.
Speaker 5: If you learn as a child, that's white's blue, right
Speaker 5: you you ever say that he's blue, and yet it
Speaker 5: is white. So who's to say who's right. It's all
Speaker 5: a matter of interpretation.
Speaker 10: You might have to go through the process of near
Speaker 10: insanity sorting out that, in fact, that is white for yourself. Yes,
Speaker 10: the conundrum of the modern world. Welcome to it, you know.
Speaker 6: And and that brings me to this point right here
Speaker 6: on narrative.
Speaker 2: So Zacharai Sitchin, he has on the bottom right hand corner,
Speaker 2: he has this cylinder seal. This cylinder seal v A
Speaker 2: two forty three is usually where you see the arrows,
Speaker 2: as usually where he says that, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: planet Neibreu out.
Speaker 6: There, right and because of these these these dots out there.
Speaker 2: Now, what's interesting is that the Samarian. This is not Sumerian.
Speaker 2: First of all, this is a Kadian. So, like I said,
Speaker 2: the Samerians never really talked about a planet Nebrus. So
Speaker 2: even if this does, let's just say, for for for
Speaker 2: argument sake, that Zacharai Sitchen was right, that this depicts
Speaker 2: uh Nibiru, right, that orbitar son every thirty six hundred years.
Speaker 6: Okay, we'll go and I'll get back to that.
Speaker 2: When I was talked about doctor Michael as Heiser earlier
Speaker 2: and his website, Sitchen is wrong. This is actually a
Speaker 2: screenshot from his website. They're both passed away as doctor
Speaker 2: Michael as Heiser passed away, I think a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago now, so his website might not be up
Speaker 2: too much longer.
Speaker 6: It just depends if he had a new state to
Speaker 6: keep it up.
Speaker 2: But I took a screenshot and he literally gives you
Speaker 2: the translation of what that cylinder seal that Zachari Sitchen
Speaker 2: was holding up.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: You can see in the red where it says line one.
Speaker 2: Line one is on both left and the right side,
Speaker 2: and it says dube siga or Dube saiga. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure exactly how to say that, but it just basically
Speaker 2: means a personal name of an apparently powerful person. Then
Speaker 2: line two is where the blue is at, and that
Speaker 2: write their inscription just says iliat and it's just another name,
Speaker 2: personal name this time of the seal's owner. Now what
Speaker 2: I always tell people when they say yeah, First of all,
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know about selling their seal
Speaker 2: VA two forty three. But the ones that do know
Speaker 2: about it, they don't know what the translation says. And
Speaker 2: I usually tell them, I said, selling their seal Va
Speaker 2: two forty three has more to do with German than
Speaker 2: it does with planet Nbru because line three is literally
Speaker 2: in German and it is dinect, which is basically German
Speaker 2: for your servant. So I don't know exactly how this
Speaker 2: man got to it. He explains it in there further off,
Speaker 2: you know, more into you know, into.
Speaker 6: This website that he has.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand it well enough to explain it
Speaker 2: to you, But I just know that he just was
Speaker 2: able to basically say in so many words that selling
Speaker 2: their seal v A two forty three has more to
Speaker 2: do with German than Planet Nibru because nothing, do you.
Speaker 5: Know, It's like one represents any of the kings from
Speaker 5: the list.
Speaker 6: When I look at it.
Speaker 2: Uh No, but line two does to me, And that's
Speaker 2: the one that looks like Andrew and Anaki.
Speaker 6: Uh the star.
Speaker 5: So line one would be a god, line two would
Speaker 5: be the king, and line three say he's saying that
Speaker 5: he's a servant to the God.
Speaker 6: Yeah, basically.
Speaker 5: Basically yeah, like any yeroglyphs.
Speaker 2: But this is the cylinder seal right here. Like I said,
Speaker 2: you can see that has the inscriptions. He just says that,
Speaker 2: you know right there. But doctor Michael s. Heizery goes
Speaker 2: more into the plates and stuff like that. And I'm
Speaker 2: not here to talk about plates because that that's a
Speaker 2: whole that takes up too much time to even try
Speaker 2: to bring that up. But I can say personally, just
Speaker 2: because I learned this from him from his website, I
Speaker 2: don't agree with him on the plates thing either.
Speaker 5: But I'm also not a translator.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how he came up with plates,
Speaker 2: So I'm still looking into it.
Speaker 5: Is it to do with the with the funny thing
Speaker 5: between the two figures on the right.
Speaker 2: Well, I know that the horns represent gods and goddesses,
Speaker 2: so I know those two that have what those look
Speaker 2: like horns.
Speaker 6: Those are that's a god and goddess.
Speaker 5: I mean like the it looks like a branch between
Speaker 5: the two figures that divides in three on the top.
Speaker 5: Is that what he considers the play it is?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, the stars you see where the arrow is at.
Speaker 8: No, I mean on the other side, the other one,
Speaker 8: the staff in the middle between the two dudes.
Speaker 6: Oh, the staff. A you're talking about the staff?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's what you getting the play it is.
Speaker 5: That's that's the that's three points at the top.
Speaker 2: You know, I never looked at that, so that that's
Speaker 2: actually interesting. Yeah, I ain't never looked at that.
Speaker 6: M Well, it also looks like like an eleft call
Speaker 6: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm serious, Like, but see that That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, is that doctor Michael. Yeah, it's just interesting
Speaker 2: to me because doctor Michael Heizer literally gives you a
Speaker 2: reason on why it's not having to do anything with
Speaker 2: Planet Never.
Speaker 6: So now I'm now I'm up in the air.
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, where did you know Zachari Sitch and say
Speaker 2: that this planet Never because this is the only thing
Speaker 2: that he really gives you a certain idea.
Speaker 5: For because at the time there was already a series
Speaker 5: of planet X. Because yeah, because even the guy that
Speaker 5: discovered Neptune, I can't remember his name. He discovered Neptune
Speaker 5: just by a mathematical equation, and then he gave the
Speaker 5: card roots to an astronomer that looked at the telescope
Speaker 5: and found the planet. Right that that's how amazing these
Speaker 5: people could be back then, uh, and through the when
Speaker 5: they summon all the mathematics of the gravity, they found
Speaker 5: that they couldn't explain certain of the movements without existing
Speaker 5: a tent planet that now it's the ninth because we
Speaker 5: eliminated Pluto. So and if you look into the news
Speaker 5: on that now they are more than sure that there
Speaker 5: resists some object that is probably small and dense orbiting
Speaker 5: the outer terms of the Solar System, and they're actively
Speaker 5: looking for planet nine that was at the time planet ten.
Speaker 5: And that's how maybe sorry, that's how Sitchen at the
Speaker 5: time decided it, Well, this is the planet. Let's create
Speaker 5: a timeframe that they don't know. It's much more than
Speaker 5: thirty six thousand years, much more than that according to
Speaker 5: all sources in astrophysics. But it just made because that's
Speaker 5: what the series of the time were that they exists
Speaker 5: this planet around the Solar System that could even dive
Speaker 5: closer to the Sun. So it just added one and
Speaker 5: one from his perspective and created that tail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and that, and that's that's why I said,
Speaker 2: like you know, in his books, he doesn't actually give
Speaker 2: you sources. He throws out names like that numa elis
Speaker 2: the epic of Gyoga mass Uh Therasis. Uh. He throws
Speaker 2: those names out, But when you actually read those sources,
Speaker 2: you don't. Actually, I don't actually get the sense of it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I challenge people to read it and
Speaker 2: really read it and understand it, because it doesn't do it.
Speaker 2: Like when I remember when I said that the gods
Speaker 2: were on top of the mountains, are on higher ground,
Speaker 2: Like this is a replica of Nibru or what would
Speaker 2: be which is now known as Nipper. It's in Iraq.
Speaker 2: It's a real place in Iraq. Nibru is a real
Speaker 2: place in Iraq. It just wasn't a planet, or at
Speaker 2: least I haven't found evidence. And I'll get into that
Speaker 2: in a second. But this is just basically a replica
Speaker 2: of how they would be. They will be on top
Speaker 2: of the hill, higher than everybody else and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: But now this is what's interesting.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 6: Like I said, I believe in extra trustrial the inside
Speaker 6: of a planet.
Speaker 2: I believe in all that stuff. What's what I wanted
Speaker 2: to know was where the Nuna slash Ananaki came from.
Speaker 2: So this is the Oxford Handbook of Cuniform Culture. So
Speaker 2: e t CSL in that book that I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: the literature of ancient sumer that that's from all from Oxford. Also,
Speaker 2: this is just the Cuneiform culture of it. And when
Speaker 2: I bought this book, I learned that it says right here,
Speaker 2: it literally says, according to Mesopotamian tradition, these big fish
Speaker 2: are the companies of the god of wisdom Inky slash Ea,
Speaker 2: who dwells in the deaths of the sea. They regularly
Speaker 2: emerged from the sea in order to teach mankind the
Speaker 2: cornerstone and civilizations such as agriculture, kingship, justice, and writing.
Speaker 2: Before the flood ended their coexistence. This is where they
Speaker 2: supposedly came from, is the deaths of the sea.
Speaker 1: And there that sounds.
Speaker 10: Nicely like survivors of an apocalypse or you know, if
Speaker 10: look think if they whatever term you use, these dudes
Speaker 10: knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: What would they start doing.
Speaker 10: They start going out from the sea in boats and
Speaker 10: start trying to teach everybody the ship, you know, and
Speaker 10: then boom it this is great man, keep going. Sorry,
Speaker 10: I'm excited. That's exactly what my mind hears. Though, as
Speaker 10: soon as you read that, and.
Speaker 5: What metology we have saying exactly what is in this text? Well,
Speaker 5: don't go all around them.
Speaker 10: That's what world South America, Asia, everywhere.
Speaker 6: And I'm going to get into that in just a second.
Speaker 6: You see, you catch it on.
Speaker 2: See the puzzle pieces are making more sense when there's
Speaker 2: actual facts being brought to the table. Now, this is
Speaker 2: why I said this is important because remember what I'm done.
Speaker 2: Picto grass and what was it? Uh? Picto graphs are
Speaker 2: like emojis almost, so you could tell a story in
Speaker 2: mojis like how you would with anything else. So if
Speaker 2: you look at the if you look at ink, he's
Speaker 2: known as.
Speaker 6: A fish god. Where there are many different fish gods
Speaker 6: out there.
Speaker 2: Right, if you look at all the major uh mythologies,
Speaker 2: all the gods seen to came from some type of water.
Speaker 2: And if you believe in some type of aliens, you
Speaker 2: believe in us os. Right, the ones that come from
Speaker 2: from the from the water instead. But my point is
Speaker 2: is that the text actually says that that they came
Speaker 2: from the depths of the sea, and their depictions showed
Speaker 2: them as fish gods. Now there are depictions later on
Speaker 2: during the Babylonian time frame that they were depicted with
Speaker 2: like what was some people look like angels, but that
Speaker 2: was later on that the you know, the beginning depictions
Speaker 2: was them fish gods, which just makes it's just interesting
Speaker 2: to me because everybody says, we don't know where the
Speaker 2: anonarchy from. Some people will argue that they came from
Speaker 2: planet Neburu, and some people will say they don't know where.
Speaker 2: There's actually a book out there that gives you the
Speaker 2: reason why they say they came from the depths of
Speaker 2: the sea and they give you, you know, the depictions
Speaker 2: of the gods and breaks it down for you. So
Speaker 2: and it may just makes sense since you know they
Speaker 2: were big fish gods.
Speaker 5: If then you remember, if you remember sons.
Speaker 10: Well angel, you mentioned angel in these fish gods, Dude,
Speaker 10: they either came from the sky or they came from
Speaker 10: the water, right we or ufo. But if it came
Speaker 10: from the water, they did way back when primitive man
Speaker 10: would have called it fish. Right. If it came from
Speaker 10: the air, primitive man would have given it wings and
Speaker 10: called it angel.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just thinking about what sonces of Say
Speaker 5: said to Sol and the Elder that there were many
Speaker 5: cases of catastrophes in the world, and they described them
Speaker 5: as ecpirosis. Ecpyrosis that is destruction by fire and cataclysmus
Speaker 5: there is destruction by water. So when in this case
Speaker 5: we're clearly at a time when we know there was
Speaker 5: a cataclysm by water and around eight hundreds of years
Speaker 5: before this or a thousand years or six hundred year,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. So if the land is devastated, all
Speaker 5: the animals die, the only animals that survive are fish.
Speaker 5: So life comes only from the water, right, So I
Speaker 5: think that the focus comes a lot from there, and
Speaker 5: then it's mixed with the ancient traditions and the ancient tales,
Speaker 5: and it's reconfigurated to the present reality.
Speaker 6: Right on, right on, And this is where it brings up.
Speaker 2: The point is that when you read anything about the
Speaker 2: Nuna slash the Ananaki from the Mesopotamians, they always have
Speaker 2: the word ab zoo in there, which is literally meaning
Speaker 2: ab means ocean and zoo means to know.
Speaker 6: So it was the name for fresh.
Speaker 2: Water from underground aquifers that was given a religious quality
Speaker 2: in Samarian and Akkadian mythology, like springs, lakes, rivers, wells.
Speaker 6: And other sources of the freshwater. But you know.
Speaker 2: Fresh Yeah, that's what I'm saying is that it water
Speaker 2: plays a potentially major party in in in in this
Speaker 2: So the nanaki like like like Jason was saying earlier,
Speaker 2: they could they could have came from the skies, or
Speaker 2: they could have came from the deaths of the sea.
Speaker 2: But the evidence is shown they came from the deaths
Speaker 2: of the sea. So why are people really arguing we
Speaker 2: know more about They say, we know more about our
Speaker 2: space than we know about our own oceans.
Speaker 6: Why is that?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 2: So just just to me, just knowing the fact that
Speaker 2: the evidence is still pointing to the water rather than
Speaker 2: something something outside of Earth's atmosphere.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Here's some here's uh uh from the from the book
Speaker 2: from the It's called title the Song of the Hoe
Speaker 2: and it's literally literally when I was talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: the the agriculture just follows under their their agricultural stuff.
Speaker 2: It says and they'll separate from the Earth and linkage.
Speaker 2: The two had Duranki, the sacred term for nibbrels, so
Speaker 2: they had it could be duranchi, which had h. It's
Speaker 2: spelled different say, people say differently, but this word is
Speaker 2: a sacred term for nibrol. So this is a sacred
Speaker 2: term that is given for nibrial. And you know that
Speaker 2: that word right there is not found about any type
Speaker 2: of planet orbiting your son neither. And then this is
Speaker 2: also from the book too, where it says, yeah, it.
Speaker 10: Sounds more like it's it's defining a space, not a
Speaker 10: physical thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just yeah. Because a good example.
Speaker 10: It sounds like it's a space you know between.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, And I give a good example of
Speaker 2: that when when people when astronauts trained for space, they
Speaker 2: trained in what water? Right, So it's just how it's
Speaker 2: how do you think about it? How do you play
Speaker 2: it in an understanding? So what does the sources at
Speaker 2: actually say? But it does say here you Unusually, the
Speaker 2: beginning of this narrative attempts to normalize the setting, location,
Speaker 2: and actors. Everything is just ordinary, and unlike many other
Speaker 2: mythical narratives, it takes place in the city of Nibru,
Speaker 2: a real known location. So they know that Nibru slash
Speaker 2: Nibru is a location. A Nibru is an Akadian term,
Speaker 2: just like an Anaki is a Kadian term. Nebrew n
Speaker 2: i b r U is the Samerian. So that's why
Speaker 2: they're using the words Samarians here or so using the
Speaker 2: word Nebru here.
Speaker 6: But they know that it's a location that's in there.
Speaker 2: And I'll get more into Nibru because you know, another
Speaker 2: one is and Nibrutulu literally means man from the city
Speaker 2: of Nibru. So it's it's telling you you know that
Speaker 2: there's a group of individuals, right that's there. And then
Speaker 2: they give my neighbru war where black birch trees grow
Speaker 2: in a good place. So they give you a discription
Speaker 2: what grew in Nebru, right, and trees grew in there,
Speaker 2: certain types of trees. U.
Speaker 6: There was the city.
Speaker 2: There was a city, the one we live in. Nibrew
Speaker 2: was the city one we live in, right, and then
Speaker 2: they give you different cities that are different different places,
Speaker 2: uh that that was lived in. But they Nibrew was
Speaker 2: a location on planet Earth. Everybody knows that so far,
Speaker 2: and then it says in the shrine of Nebru, Inky
Speaker 2: provided a meal for in Thel. So this is interesting
Speaker 2: because most people think or know that in Thel and
Speaker 2: Inky are brothers. But here it says, in the shrine
Speaker 2: of Nebrew, Inky provided a meal for his father in
Speaker 2: there for in the his father.
Speaker 5: That you just showed us. What's that could be the
Speaker 5: seal Inky provided the meal for rely could be the seal,
Speaker 5: the scene in the seal, Oh.
Speaker 6: Yes, and then the self. Uh see. I don't know,
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I don't know how they how
Speaker 6: they would translate that.
Speaker 2: I've seen it translated different ways, and I just know
Speaker 2: what Michael Heuser says on the cuneiform. But it's that
Speaker 2: what the picture depicts. I couldn't tell you. But I
Speaker 2: mean that's a good question. I mean how I mean,
Speaker 2: like I said, the horns always depicted, uh a god
Speaker 2: or a goddess, just like how Moses was depicted with
Speaker 2: fireface or horns and stuff represented that in some in
Speaker 2: some way. So here it says in the back of
Speaker 2: the brook about Nibborhood, an important city and cult center
Speaker 2: in the north of Summer where the large majority of
Speaker 2: the manuscripts for the Samerian literature have been found. But
Speaker 2: a lot of people would say, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: and they named their city Nibrew if they came from
Speaker 2: planet uh Nibru. And I was just thinking, you know, well,
Speaker 2: the oldest city and in some in the Sumerian cities
Speaker 2: is the air Du right, which is usually known as
Speaker 2: the oldest summer city, so old than uh Nebro.
Speaker 6: So it just that does that part.
Speaker 2: That's not a good argument when people say, well, when
Speaker 2: they name their city, when they named you know, when
Speaker 2: Nibrew will be the oldest city first, you know, instead
Speaker 2: of arad So.
Speaker 6: And like I said, I've already talked about it.
Speaker 2: How you know these you know, everybody knows that Ananaki
Speaker 2: there from the Babylonians, hits Tight, Samarians, Assyrians.
Speaker 6: And so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: But this is a little thing that I put together slowly.
Speaker 2: Still I'm still slowly putting it together. But uh these
Speaker 2: are like the gods from the Adanaki that are related
Speaker 2: to the Egyptians, the Greek, the Messo Americans, the biblical gods,
Speaker 2: some of them Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, Romans, the Celtics.
Speaker 6: The Yoruba, t know and the dog go On. So
Speaker 6: when uh uh.
Speaker 2: Uh Ricardo was talking about the dog On tribe earlier,
Speaker 2: the dog go One tribe were actually the first people
Speaker 2: who inhabited the land of Egypt. There's supposed to have
Speaker 2: been the group that was there first or longer, and
Speaker 2: then they got pushed away through and you know, the
Speaker 2: Islamic takeover and stuff. But their gods and I actually
Speaker 2: had and so did Mike and Dave. They had the
Speaker 2: luxury to talk to Lars Gratton, who wrote the book
Speaker 2: dog On the Science of the dog On, so we
Speaker 2: both got to talk to him. I'm trying to hook
Speaker 2: Nick up with him now, but he talks about the
Speaker 2: dog On trib a lot and the dog On tribes
Speaker 2: soon to have an older pictographic or writing system than
Speaker 2: the Samerians, and a lot of people don't know that,
Speaker 2: but that's what you know is arguing among out.
Speaker 6: There through the scholars.
Speaker 2: So the dog On trivers are very important people. But
Speaker 2: I just try to put this little list together. I
Speaker 2: know we got to go on to Dave in a
Speaker 2: little bit and on his presentation, but I wanted to
Speaker 2: bring up metallurgy.
Speaker 6: A lot of people are wondering what is the what
Speaker 6: was the fruit of knowledge. That that that that was
Speaker 6: so for ridden. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Anton Parks wrote this book Eden, and he actually
Speaker 2: gives his cuneiform tablet identifiers of where you can find
Speaker 2: what the cuneiform tablets say for themselves. So if you
Speaker 2: want to challenge him, you can learn the language yourself
Speaker 2: and translated it and say how wrong he is and
Speaker 2: why he's wrong. But until then you can only go
Speaker 2: off of what he provided. And he says in his book,
Speaker 2: he compares this to the New American Standard Bible. He says,
Speaker 2: Cuneiform tablet identifier CBS eleven zero sixty five. The artician
Speaker 2: Inkey revealed the secret of metallurgy to the woman, while
Speaker 2: his son's the Great Messenger, observers cast metal and cohabitant
Speaker 2: with her, the mother of the human race.
Speaker 6: The mother knows the secret of the gods. The tool revealed.
Speaker 2: So it was metallurgy that was given to the woman
Speaker 2: for the forbidden fruit of knowledge. And he compares it
Speaker 2: to Genesis six one through five and the Book of
Speaker 2: Enoch also chapter eight and one. So when Jason, Oh,
Speaker 2: where Jason.
Speaker 6: Go he left?
Speaker 1: Huh he's been in and out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So when Jason was talking earlier, about knot.
Speaker 2: That's where you can get some of the relationship between
Speaker 2: the enoch because some people do use the Book of
Speaker 2: Enochs as their source. But he actually, like I said,
Speaker 2: he gives you the tablet, identify her and what it says,
Speaker 2: and then he compares it to whatever the uh whatever
Speaker 2: in the Bible.
Speaker 6: This is also still in his book.
Speaker 2: The knowledge of the forbidden Fruit was simply that of toolmaking,
Speaker 2: whose secret is not to be divulged. And then it
Speaker 2: just tells you, you know, later on that Inky inside
Speaker 2: of humans to reproduce themselves.
Speaker 6: So is he actually, you know, puts that in this book.
Speaker 6: He that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: But here is more sources where he talks about it.
Speaker 2: Was metallurgy CBS eighty three, twenty two. He had brought
Speaker 2: metallurgy our own, our only Lord has spread the secret
Speaker 2: of the boat.
Speaker 6: And then y CBS.
Speaker 2: Zero sixty five, column three, that gods find out that
Speaker 2: the human beings initiated by serpent Inky now have clothing.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't when they look at the
Speaker 2: serpent God, they look at as an evil god. But
Speaker 2: some people would say Inky was Jesus or something like that,
Speaker 2: or he was a good god. But he was known
Speaker 2: as a serpent to some of these of these individuals.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting he says serpent, because remember when I
Speaker 2: showed them that he was in his fish suit. So
Speaker 2: what do they really consider a serpent?
Speaker 6: You know? Was he a serpent type fish or something?
Speaker 6: Who knows? I don't mean what what was?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 6: Their their meaning and understanding.
Speaker 2: And that's why I say everybody has their own translations
Speaker 2: of what they believe.
Speaker 6: So some people believe Inky was a serpent. Some people
Speaker 6: believe he was a fish god.
Speaker 2: So now how do you find a happy medium between them? Now,
Speaker 2: now they gotta they gotta explain.
Speaker 6: It to us, but you know they're not here to do.
Speaker 5: The serpent symbology only became connotated with evil after Christianity.
Speaker 5: And in fact, I think that the first, the first
Speaker 5: translations doesn't say snake or serpent. They have another name.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure I have that in mind. But the
Speaker 5: serpent was always the teacher. It's a global hallmark all over.
Speaker 10: Well, it's an It's also what you call an entropic
Speaker 10: in topic and tropic phenomena. Right when you take hallucinogens,
Speaker 10: namely namely psilocybin. Uh, the geometric patterns began and most often,
Speaker 10: depending on the dosage, lead to seeing snakes.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 10: In fact, you know, that's when I know I've reached
Speaker 10: the proper place for the meeting I take them for it, right,
Speaker 10: is when the roots and all start to become snakes.
Speaker 10: So it's no coincidence that that snake is used both
Speaker 10: in the you know, Christian Bible, at least, the story
Speaker 10: of Adam and Eve is associated with knowledge. And like
Speaker 10: Ricardo said, Shamans and all cultures have long known that
Speaker 10: that the serpent just sort of because of the way
Speaker 10: it interacts with your system, begins the entree point into
Speaker 10: the spiritual visionary experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and that, and you know, like I
Speaker 2: said that, you know, I believe in spiritual stuff. I
Speaker 2: have my own rendezvous with that that and I'm very
Speaker 2: familiar with that that side of the world. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know that's why I say, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: learn more because a lot of what I've learned about
Speaker 2: chakras and how to balance my chakras was reading books.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't have somebody to tell me or
Speaker 2: as to have somebody that's near me that can put
Speaker 2: me on it. So I had to read from people
Speaker 2: who who you know, said hey, this is what you
Speaker 2: could possibly do, and then you know how to control
Speaker 2: you know, your your sleep paralysis and your you know,
Speaker 2: your so on and so forth, and and it takes
Speaker 2: me to a place to where just one, I want
Speaker 2: to see it from my understanding. I want to interpret
Speaker 2: it for myself. And that's why I mentioned when I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier about the Keto Festival that literally was just
Speaker 2: basically a festival to tell, like, you know, stories about
Speaker 2: you know, the creation of humans, and you know whose
Speaker 2: God is better than what God and what happened.
Speaker 6: It just told a story.
Speaker 2: Nobody really knows exactly what's fact over fiction because a
Speaker 2: lot of everybody that translated some of these tablets has
Speaker 2: their own thing. And I can't not sitchen for what
Speaker 2: he does or what he did, But what I can
Speaker 2: say is that there were people that were able to
Speaker 2: show that he was incorrect, and instead of him, you know,
Speaker 2: going back at him and saying I'm going to break
Speaker 2: it down for you simple and stupid way that now
Speaker 2: nobody really knows the truth. But I can only go
Speaker 2: off what's available to the sources, because if I go
Speaker 2: to his book, I can't. I can't give out cuneiform
Speaker 2: tablet identifiers. I have to go to the other sources
Speaker 2: that I've read to to give that. And like I said,
Speaker 2: from the electronic text Corpus Samarian literature, this is my
Speaker 2: favorite website because everybody has a phone phone in their hand.
Speaker 2: And like I said earlier, if you type in that,
Speaker 2: if you type in and not on that website on
Speaker 2: the search bar, it won't bring up anything about the ananachi.
Speaker 2: You have to type in a nuna, so you have
Speaker 2: to use the right words for it to come up
Speaker 2: and share, you know, basically, or bring up the stuff
Speaker 2: that is supposed to bring But this is just from
Speaker 2: the electronic create text Corpus of Samarian literature, where you
Speaker 2: have in those days, in the days when heaven and
Speaker 2: earth were created, in those nights and the knights, when
Speaker 2: heaven and earth were created, in those years, and the
Speaker 2: years when the fates were determined, when the nuna gods
Speaker 2: were born, when the goddesses were taken in marriage, when
Speaker 2: the goddesses were distributed in heaven and earth, and it
Speaker 2: just goes on that. You could get a sense of
Speaker 2: how this is like one of the creation stories, right,
Speaker 2: It's just a very simple creation story. And then you
Speaker 2: have the debate between Grain and sheep where at the
Speaker 2: time Inky spoke to in Lil Father in Lil, now
Speaker 2: sheep and Grain had created on the Holy Mound. Let
Speaker 2: us send down them from the Holy Mound. Now this
Speaker 2: is interesting. Like I said, a lot of people think
Speaker 2: that Inky and in Lil are brothers, but a lot
Speaker 2: of times they're known as father and son. One is
Speaker 2: the father and son, and it actually flip flops also,
Speaker 2: so that's pretty interesting. And then of course I have
Speaker 2: in here within and Nana and on on Uh. I
Speaker 2: knew most people know him as who created gods in humankind,
Speaker 2: gazed at Holy and Nana and dressed the favorite wife
Speaker 2: who travels by his side. And this is just basically
Speaker 2: I brought in here because of the simple fact that
Speaker 2: we have a creation of how uh and is supposedly
Speaker 2: created the god in human kindness.
Speaker 5: Isn't it funny that could you go back to slave
Speaker 5: mounds or are you gonna say mound?
Speaker 10: Did you see the mound? Also the Holy mound?
Speaker 5: I believe that that one that's called me, Sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 5: I would let let that to you. But what I
Speaker 5: saw was sheep and grain. And if we change the
Speaker 5: translation of grain to seed, you have sheep and his seed,
Speaker 5: and we had Adam and Eve going thrown out of paradise.
Speaker 5: Have a circle of what happens in the Bible.
Speaker 2: Once again, No, I see it now because grain is sheet,
Speaker 2: the debate between grain and sheet, because.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 1: I see that as well.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and the fact, you know, I just I had
Speaker 10: to chime in because with the mound building culture, right,
Speaker 10: and I see that it's not the holy mountain or
Speaker 10: the Holy castle, that's the holy mound. Yeah, that's really
Speaker 10: that's really interesting. That's great man, Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 5: This in the Egyptian. In the Egyptian Odd Gods, odd goats,
Speaker 5: it has a strange of odd goats. It's also a mound.
Speaker 6: It's not a well.
Speaker 10: Mounds came before pyramids, right, we look at all pyramids.
Speaker 10: What do they usually find underneath? They find a mound
Speaker 10: that began it. And what do they usually find somewhere
Speaker 10: under that some sort of holy source of water? Like
Speaker 10: you you know, I kept from mentioning, but you hit
Speaker 10: that early on there, man, when you were talking about
Speaker 10: the water, the source of water being important to them
Speaker 10: because the translation I think end Zoo or or whichever
Speaker 10: it was. Yeah, so that at the mounds, you know,
Speaker 10: and same here I find all these native mounds, and
Speaker 10: they're all near some sort of source of water, be
Speaker 10: it a small tributary, original creek, or be it underground
Speaker 10: like right behind me. Now you know, water coming up
Speaker 10: from below ground. It was critical. Then they chose the mound,
Speaker 10: and then of course the man came along and put
Speaker 10: rocks on it and called it pyramids.
Speaker 6: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that one's loaded right there.
Speaker 2: That quote, man, this is great, you know, and and
Speaker 2: and this is this is where it's interesting because they
Speaker 2: do talk about mounds in here. So that's a that's
Speaker 2: a great uh, great thing to catch is that we
Speaker 2: know mounds are important in pyramids, and you know that
Speaker 2: mounds had to come first, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: It's just that, you know, if you read these texts
Speaker 2: for yourself, you get you can you can interpret it
Speaker 2: different ways. But you won't interpret something that says that
Speaker 2: and that an Anaki came from planet never with that
Speaker 2: orbit our son every thirty six.
Speaker 1: No, you certainly won't.
Speaker 10: That's what I'm enjoying about your your Actually I didn't know,
Speaker 10: but you're educating me, because I would have just believed
Speaker 10: if I didn't know the difference, if I never read Chichen,
Speaker 10: I didn't even know. He was just some dude in
Speaker 10: the seventies, you know what I mean. I thought it
Speaker 10: best maybe he was back in the forties early on
Speaker 10: in the sci fi game. But yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 10: you're doing a great job, man and telling us all
Speaker 10: stuff we didn't know. And this is key here about Nibiru.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it because I've read Sitchen first and that
Speaker 3: was my first exposure to it.
Speaker 9: So Tyrone and I have talked about before.
Speaker 3: If that's the case for you, then you really have
Speaker 3: to go back and find original source and kind of
Speaker 3: weed through the misinformation, Like it's really a disservice to
Speaker 3: the story.
Speaker 9: For him to have put that in there.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, but how can you, sorry, Das, how
Speaker 5: can you read Sitchen and not be interested? Well, what
Speaker 5: are his sources? Let's let's go and look, well for sure,
Speaker 5: yeah right, and then immediately you find out, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: he's full of bullshit.
Speaker 6: No see, you know I started with him too. I've
Speaker 6: read his books too.
Speaker 2: Like I said, he wrote his book in nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 2: and then he slowly wrote books past that. And I
Speaker 2: was born in the eighties, so of course I read
Speaker 2: his books later, of course, And like I said, I
Speaker 2: had a choice between guys that they shared in the
Speaker 2: Bible or the Bibles I should say, or you know
Speaker 2: these extraterrestrial things. And then when I read that you
Speaker 2: know it comes from the deaths of the Sea, it
Speaker 2: just makes me wonder more because what is the meaning
Speaker 2: of that? Could it also mean hollow earth in the
Speaker 2: Earth and so on and so forth. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a possibility, But my point is that I haven't been
Speaker 2: able to find something that says they came from our
Speaker 2: planet or a different planet that orbits our son. And now,
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't have I believe in extraterrestrials
Speaker 2: and aliens outside of there and stuff like that. I
Speaker 2: just what's the difference between the deaths of the sea
Speaker 2: and outside of Earth's atmosphere. If they're coming from the season,
Speaker 2: they can fly around and do all this crazy high
Speaker 2: tech technology movements and all this other stuff. Why are
Speaker 2: you still looking in the sky if you really really
Speaker 2: been told for thousands of years they've been coming from
Speaker 2: the death of the sea.
Speaker 6: It's like telling people you're going to you're going to
Speaker 6: see one hundred dollars come out the sky.
Speaker 2: You'll see one hundred dollars faster on the ground looking
Speaker 2: on the ground than you will looking in the sky.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good, that's so true.
Speaker 10: And I think you're right on, dude, because look, it's
Speaker 10: less of a leap, right, a reasoning leap if we
Speaker 10: already kind of are harping on a civilization which just
Speaker 10: telling us, you know something before this catastrophe, right, that
Speaker 10: was somehow advanced, possibly at least to map the world
Speaker 10: in crack longitude, right, What if they had What if
Speaker 10: we somebody like us today in our advancement, had one
Speaker 10: hundred years notice that the end was coming, right, you
Speaker 10: see this thing in the sky. You know, you're smart,
Speaker 10: you know what it means.
Speaker 1: What would you do? Would there be a faction that
Speaker 1: would take whatever technology.
Speaker 10: Is available and go, we can dodge this motherfucker. Okay,
Speaker 10: we gotta go deep, we gotta go far, and you
Speaker 10: got to shut the fuck up and not tell anybody
Speaker 10: right that that is that far of a leap, or
Speaker 10: you use it to control the masses as the Estecs did.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: But that's but my point is is that what's the
Speaker 2: argument from the seas to to outside the verset atmosphere?
Speaker 6: Neither one of them is either good should they more
Speaker 6: advanced than us?
Speaker 2: That's what That's the only thing that you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, So neither so tell us where we need
Speaker 2: to protect ourselves at you know what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 5: Let's get to the why are you trying to?
Speaker 6: Why are you trying to tell me to look away?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. You're trying to You're tapping
Speaker 6: me on my left shoulder, but you're on my right side,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you want me to turn my head to the
Speaker 2: left and you're sitting there right there to my right side,
Speaker 2: and now live like a food because I'm looking over
Speaker 2: on to the left side of me.
Speaker 10: I know what that means.
Speaker 1: They're under our ocean.
Speaker 10: Get down there.
Speaker 6: I mean, Jesus was even known as a fish guy,
Speaker 6: right he walked on water.
Speaker 1: How can you look at that many men walking.
Speaker 2: On water means to me that that that that the
Speaker 2: movement that this individual was able to swim and be in,
Speaker 2: move in and stride and water.
Speaker 6: Somebody would be walking right.
Speaker 9: Well, you know it does.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 10: The miracles always to me sound much more like, you know,
Speaker 10: cast your nets on this side right.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 10: To me, that that really translates as a dude, who
Speaker 10: was you know, listening to God? Because imagine if God
Speaker 10: is sitting there in your ear and you're standing there
Speaker 10: on that boat and they're not catching fish, and God
Speaker 10: just goes all right, listen, trust me in a second,
Speaker 10: telling them to cast left. Okay, watch this ship, you know,
Speaker 10: and then Jesus cast on the left and then cast
Speaker 10: on the left, and there it is.
Speaker 5: He's a time travel he had the sonar, he knew
Speaker 5: what the see it was.
Speaker 10: The boss man was down there in that us O
Speaker 10: telling him where they were, making them move to the
Speaker 10: other side.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And that's pretty much my presentation right there. Just I'm
Speaker 2: still going to add to it.
Speaker 1: This is, uh.
Speaker 6: I think the basics and just the basic.
Speaker 2: Of the annas Ananaki is that they didn't come from
Speaker 2: a planet never. They came from the deaths of the sea,
Speaker 2: and they were depicted at as these types of gods
Speaker 2: in there. I also know, uh, there's this there's this
Speaker 2: fish called the goat fish, and I just learned this
Speaker 2: just recently, that Inky was known as a goat fish.
Speaker 2: And if you look at what type of fish that is,
Speaker 2: it's a weird looking fish. But because Inky was depicted
Speaker 2: as a goat, sometimes he was, he was known as
Speaker 2: the goat fish. So that's something that I learned. So
Speaker 2: it's just interesting how all these things come and play
Speaker 2: play together.
Speaker 10: It's funny. Take the modern interpretation of goat, right, the
Speaker 10: greatest fish man of all time.
Speaker 5: The goat is more associated with evil today.
Speaker 1: But the image correct.
Speaker 10: But you know, the kids the terminology from whatever Matt
Speaker 10: Damon movie that was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I just wonder what's what's was Jesus
Speaker 5: the first suffer? And then they didn't know what a
Speaker 5: board was walking on?
Speaker 6: You know, It's so funny because just think about it.
Speaker 2: When somebody says walking on water, I should think outside
Speaker 2: the box and I would just think that, like this
Speaker 2: person was able to sweethe and swim and move in water,
Speaker 2: like somebody can stride that all that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, somebody want to prove they can swim in a hurricane.
Speaker 10: You know I tried that once, but it also really
Speaker 10: did it also sounds to me. Look, it's a great
Speaker 10: metaphor for any kind of spiritual or even just knowledge, right,
Speaker 10: like we're working with here today, understanding right when you
Speaker 10: got Peter there, and you know, if you just see
Speaker 10: it more as a as as a metaphor of what
Speaker 10: was going on between these two individuals, right, Jesus is
Speaker 10: showing him all this stuff you know, about inside him
Speaker 10: and about outside and how God and He can interplay. Right,
Speaker 10: So how do you maintain that? Well, you obviously got
Speaker 10: to stay in the moment with God, right, You got
Speaker 10: to look neither before or after, just like he told
Speaker 10: you when he was walking on the water, don't look down,
Speaker 10: write whatever you do, focus on me. And that just
Speaker 10: translates to what those of us seeking spiritual growth, connection
Speaker 10: with God, or even knowledge in this material plane have
Speaker 10: to do, right, which is stay centered in this moment,
Speaker 10: you know, focused with it. That's how I hear the
Speaker 10: walking the water bit myself.
Speaker 2: Anyway, you know, it's it's it's interesting you say that,
Speaker 2: and and I'm done after this.
Speaker 6: This is my last slide. Of course, I have this
Speaker 6: life to promote my book and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But uh, the last thing I was gonna say, that's
Speaker 2: interesting because you know, okay, like I said, I believe
Speaker 2: in things outside of our planet, but I believe that
Speaker 2: we also got we were creating.
Speaker 6: We're also special individuals.
Speaker 2: A lot of people say that a lot of paranormal
Speaker 2: spiritual things, demons and you know, evil things won our soul, right,
Speaker 2: and that's why we You know that there's exism and
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Something we don't have that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's our soul is special to us, like
Speaker 2: now aliens or anything else has that that. Some people
Speaker 2: believe that the aliens are abducting people because they're trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how to mimic the soul or whatever.
Speaker 2: We have a special thing about us that carries on
Speaker 2: even after this flesh and body dies. We continue and
Speaker 2: if we learn how to tap into our Kashak records,
Speaker 2: our personal and Kashak records, we can remember everything from
Speaker 2: our past.
Speaker 6: The problem is is that over time that hasn't been
Speaker 6: been achieved.
Speaker 10: But my point is is that, well, this world has
Speaker 10: been set up bro to keep us from achieving it.
Speaker 10: You know that's why what what what you're doing and
Speaker 10: we're exhibiting here is so fucking commendabulek excuse me language,
Speaker 10: but you know it should be said, you know, there's
Speaker 10: this world to keep us from this stuff.
Speaker 5: That's where your focus is. Fine to that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and that's it. That's it pretty much, Dave.
Speaker 2: If you're ready or if you'll have any questions, Like
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to add to this questions of anything,
Speaker 2: because I want to make it to the point where
Speaker 2: it's the basics.
Speaker 6: If the basics is that they came from planet.
Speaker 2: And neber give me sources like the sources that I
Speaker 2: just researched that says that they came from the death
Speaker 2: to see versus think from from a planet Neberu. And
Speaker 2: then if if and if you if you want to argue,
Speaker 2: you know that there is a planet Neberu out there,
Speaker 2: you know the sources will help you with your argument,
Speaker 2: just like the sources are helping me with mine. If God,
Speaker 2: then you know, I don't know what else what to say.
Speaker 2: And it's not even me being right or wrong, it's
Speaker 2: just that this is what is out there. So I
Speaker 2: just want to know the truth too, because you're.
Speaker 10: Giving us the sources. Man, it doesn't matter if you
Speaker 10: know what I'm saying right wrong, doesn't enter into it.
Speaker 10: That's part of why this is brilliant, started interrupt, But
Speaker 10: I just wanted to commend you, man. You just you
Speaker 10: taught me so much, you know, and and you you
Speaker 10: wrapped it around to something that fits a narrative I
Speaker 10: already exposed myself to with my physical findings, you know.
Speaker 10: And that's just I haven't seen somebody else do that, because,
Speaker 10: like you said, everybody else wants it to be this
Speaker 10: thing from elsewhere or this whatever. But you're you're nailing it,
Speaker 10: showing us all that. Actually, when you go to source,
Speaker 10: it sounds a little more like what we might think
Speaker 10: some crazy, weird advanced humans.
Speaker 6: This is good. I throw one more thing out there.
Speaker 2: You got to remember they say that we're like seventy
Speaker 2: percent something body of water, So we look within ourselves.
Speaker 6: What do we usually find water?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm a cancer sign. I'm right there fucking with
Speaker 10: you on the water is live, bro.
Speaker 5: One of the things that I got from your presentation
Speaker 5: is that you made me think of this that I
Speaker 5: haven't and I looked at this many times, is that
Speaker 5: it shows us that whenever this started thirty six pc,
Speaker 5: the thirty six hundred DC or thirty two hundred pc,
Speaker 5: it also moves from the metriacal. Sorry, you have to
Speaker 5: help me saying this from the metriacal society to matriarchal
Speaker 5: Thank you, matriarchal society to a patriarchical society, because you
Speaker 5: don't see the goddess's ruling here, so we see the
Speaker 5: predominance of gods. There are goddesses still, but they are
Speaker 5: the ones giving the cards. So I find it funny
Speaker 5: that after the cataclysm they decided that it was time
Speaker 5: for men to rule instead of being a world of
Speaker 5: women and animestic.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: You know when we first John Tyrone, you were telling
Speaker 9: us you were making a presentation. You did it. Yeah,
Speaker 9: it's good. I love the way that you presented it.
Speaker 4: I do too, and I like that it's a rundown
Speaker 4: of like, like you said, the basics, and like we
Speaker 4: talked about how you can mess up your memory and
Speaker 4: then you have to go back and fill in the
Speaker 4: holes and fix it, when if you would just get
Speaker 4: the basics from the start, it's so much easier.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Sure, so thank you appreciate it very much.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Tyrone's dispelling narrative blindness, getting rid of sichens, you know,
Speaker 10: es narrative and getting this system facts here.
Speaker 5: It's it's a great story. I advise everyone to read it.
Speaker 5: It's right.
Speaker 10: That's why everybody, guess is taking it as fact. And
Speaker 10: you know, if you're like Iowa was, and you use
Speaker 10: even secondary sources on this stuff, you still just hear
Speaker 10: this new Beru thing thrown out, you know and named
Speaker 10: Billy Carson whoever, right, as as some sort of fact.
Speaker 10: So this is this has been enlightened. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I try to avoid saying his name,
Speaker 2: but since you brought him up, you know, he really
Speaker 2: believes this this and and I don't. I just don't
Speaker 2: understand because he says he's read so much. I mean,
Speaker 2: he even prides himself on reading so much. And I
Speaker 2: always tell people this, and he put he actually put
Speaker 2: a list of all his books out before when he
Speaker 2: first started. I took a screenshot of it. The books
Speaker 2: that he's read, Yeah, the books that he's that he's read.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He actually motivated me to put my books on my website.
Speaker 2: So I actually have a list of books that I've
Speaker 2: read and personally own on my website. But he I
Speaker 2: took a screenshot and I noticed that it had to
Speaker 2: do a lot with aliens.
Speaker 6: Well, I will always say this.
Speaker 2: If you surround yourself with people who believe in aliens,
Speaker 2: you're going to believe in aliens eventually, you will.
Speaker 6: You know what.
Speaker 10: The man's got an audience for sure, and you gotta
Speaker 10: you gotta stick with and cater to your audience once
Speaker 10: you commit to an audience. I guess, uh, maybe his
Speaker 10: wife took the books in the divorce, so I hear
Speaker 10: they're splitting, so well.
Speaker 1: We'll lay off. And sounds like you got enough going
Speaker 1: on at the moment.
Speaker 6: But I see it as that I.
Speaker 10: Saw early on that that he probably likes Sitchen should
Speaker 10: be taken with a grain of salt going. I can
Speaker 10: get enjoyment just from watching the show, you know what
Speaker 10: I mean. This is entertaining. But when it's not presented
Speaker 10: as for entertainment and sources aren't sighted, that's where we
Speaker 10: get in trouble, you know. And and you're helping clear
Speaker 10: that up.
Speaker 6: Bro, This is sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And Tyrone used the word that he's important here, that
Speaker 5: he's belief right, I heard. I heard I heard once
Speaker 5: an African guy say this, and I never forgot it
Speaker 5: to We only believe in what we don't know, because what.
Speaker 10: We know we know, we know exactly, man, Exactly. It
Speaker 10: goes from belief to knowing, and that's when you're onto something.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dave, I do I have to be done by
Speaker 1: one o'clock? Because if so, I don't have time. No
Speaker 1: what time, because Sarah has to get their kid off
Speaker 1: the bus.
Speaker 4: At it's twelve thirty. We can go to like one
Speaker 4: thirty if we need to. If everyone's okay with that.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I just thought I thought I
Speaker 1: had to be done at one.
Speaker 10: So I was like.
Speaker 9: Double thing, just kind of got pushed back. Sorry, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 10: Fun, Ricardo, I'll do the same, okay.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Dan, Well it's all good.
Speaker 8: I just I just in my head, I was in
Speaker 8: I thought that I had a one o'clock deadline, and
Speaker 8: I was thinking, there's no way that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I did want to say though about uh Tyrone.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 8: I appreciate I always appreciate what Tyrone does because he's
Speaker 8: bringing the sources, and we have major gaps and uncertainties
Speaker 8: even in the sources that like talk about this this subject.
Speaker 8: So almost everything is speculation when we're talking about the
Speaker 8: in and akey except.
Speaker 1: For what Tyrone showed us today.
Speaker 8: So look, I like throwing Billy Carson on at midnight
Speaker 8: when I can't sleep and listening to Tmax smash.
Speaker 1: Into a new brewery and create Earth and the moon and.
Speaker 10: Ship like that.
Speaker 8: That's fun for me, right, But you know, I appreciate
Speaker 8: when Tyrone goes, well, actually this is what they this
Speaker 8: is what they said. I'm looking forward to the future
Speaker 8: where Tyrone does this with more topics.
Speaker 1: And more subjects to get.
Speaker 5: Definitely there's a niche here.
Speaker 10: You know, It's like Wi files without the Heckelfish and
Speaker 10: he brings for septs. There's, like you say, there's definitely
Speaker 10: a spot to be filled with this type work. If
Speaker 10: it's really what you're into, Tyrone, this is this is great.
Speaker 1: Sorry, no worries, No worries.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So we were talking about metallurgy, which kind of
Speaker 8: goes into what what I'm talking about today. I'm going
Speaker 8: to share screen, but I guess I just want to
Speaker 8: give a little little little thing about what I'm talking
Speaker 8: about today.
Speaker 6: Where is it? Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I wanted to.
Speaker 8: I guess it will start by asking, like, for you guys,
Speaker 8: what is the off the top of your head, which
Speaker 8: culture had the most advanced gold specifically gold metallurgy, the
Speaker 8: oldest and most advanced in the world.
Speaker 1: Does anyone know.
Speaker 5: There's some popular guests there.
Speaker 10: I've got some ships sitting on the shelf behind me
Speaker 10: that might bring that into question for everybody, So I
Speaker 10: probably won't answer. I think it goes back before the
Speaker 10: catastrophe myself, but I wouldn't have an answer as far
Speaker 10: as how A no, right, yeah, sorry, no no comment.
Speaker 1: Hmm anyone.
Speaker 6: I can't remember, but it starts with a B. I
Speaker 6: can't remember exactly where I think it would have it.
Speaker 1: I was I thought I was sure Ricardo would get this.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you why I don't get this the Portuguese
Speaker 5: what is it? Because to me, metallurgy started way before
Speaker 5: what you're going to say.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go again.
Speaker 5: Know it is, It is known, It is known. It
Speaker 5: is the problem. There are no evidences because when you
Speaker 5: use this method, you destroy everything that you used to
Speaker 5: build the metal, right, and it's still done today, and
Speaker 5: it leaves no traces but the chart soil that you
Speaker 5: find all over the settlements.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, let me let me let me try this again.
Speaker 1: Actual evidence of known metallurgy with gold.
Speaker 5: With gold, much culture I live up to you.
Speaker 8: I don't know, all right, because I'm just saying I
Speaker 8: believe that civilization is much older than we think it is,
Speaker 8: and we were probably fucking around with metal and stuff
Speaker 8: like that like tens.
Speaker 1: Of thousands of years ago.
Speaker 8: But I'm just talking about like actual archaeology, archaeological sites
Speaker 8: and civilizations that we know of and have evidence of, right,
Speaker 8: And did they have.
Speaker 10: Golden summer Babylon Mesopotamia?
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't know. I just think of any Babylonian.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they had it in Celtic, the Celts, right, they
Speaker 8: had it in When we'll get into all.
Speaker 5: That, yeah, we'll have to go back further back than
Speaker 5: the Babylonians and the Sumerians the first beads of gold
Speaker 5: in the waves and people.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well I heard about this site talking to the geophysicist
Speaker 8: Stefan Burns, and he this is not his, uh, his
Speaker 8: area of expertise, but he mentioned because I had asked him,
Speaker 8: like if you could go to like what's your most
Speaker 8: I asked him what are your most interesting sites ancient
Speaker 8: sites in the world, and he mentioned this one. Tyrone
Speaker 8: got it because it does start with a V and
Speaker 8: it can't be any other one, but the name of
Speaker 8: the site is Varna and it's in Bulgaria.
Speaker 1: Would you guys, did you guys know of this site?
Speaker 6: I could remember the name of it. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 6: that ship. Because everybody says Africa is but is not?
Speaker 1: Is not?
Speaker 9: I was going to say Africa.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what some people say, but it's actually the one.
Speaker 1: It probably is Africa.
Speaker 8: Like if we're going off what Tyrone and Tyone Ricardo
Speaker 8: was talking about, right, like, uh, just the idea that
Speaker 8: civilization is cyclical and we've been you know, it's much
Speaker 8: older than we think it is, which I'm sure we
Speaker 8: all sitting around this panel believe, right, But I'm.
Speaker 1: Talking about like, you know what, what what do we know?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 6: What do we know?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 8: I'm gonna green chair because they did make a did
Speaker 8: you make a PowerPoint presentation on this? I got a
Speaker 8: new computer and I've been making a lot of PowerPoint presentations,
Speaker 8: So sorry about that.
Speaker 1: This is the question that I asked already.
Speaker 10: And.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask too quickly. Uh what it?
Speaker 8: How do most sites like get found most archaeological sites
Speaker 8: get found?
Speaker 1: Is it from like active archaeological digging or what by accidents?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 5: That construction.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Here in America it's it's construction. And in the States
Speaker 10: especially that the legally mandated. You know, you notice the
Speaker 10: discoveries are higher, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is a is a necropolis, the Vernon Necropolis.
Speaker 8: It's the dawn of metallurgical mastery and social complexity.
Speaker 1: According to some I need to uh drop this down here,
Speaker 1: that's better.
Speaker 8: And this dude on the right looks like Russell brand
Speaker 8: I don't know why, but that's the obviously the artistic
Speaker 8: that it's a it's.
Speaker 1: A they made that guy.
Speaker 8: It's in the museum showing how he was buried, right,
Speaker 8: And it was discovered in Bulgaria and I think it
Speaker 8: was in nineteen seventy two, seventy four something like that
Speaker 8: at a construction site, okay, And typically when that happens,
Speaker 8: it's like hold up, stop construction, you know, like call
Speaker 8: the archaeologists.
Speaker 1: Here it would be called nagpra right, see what they.
Speaker 6: Want us to do with it?
Speaker 9: Call the anthropologist.
Speaker 1: Call the anthropologist.
Speaker 10: Yeah, don't call anybody, that's my advice.
Speaker 1: Called the religious uh.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: But this is the site with the oldest known known
Speaker 8: advanced metal or like specifically with gold, and I'm going
Speaker 8: to compare this site to some other sites in the
Speaker 8: area around the same time, as well as gold like
Speaker 8: from other major civilizations across the world, including South America
Speaker 8: and Mexico. We're just gonna dig into this site because
Speaker 8: I thought it was super interesting and I never heard
Speaker 8: of it before.
Speaker 5: So we're gonna, Dave, I think it's for us to
Speaker 5: understand better. What are you going to say? Can you
Speaker 5: explain to us where gold can be found? Because it
Speaker 5: implies that they mind it and then worked it, So
Speaker 5: could you talk about that?
Speaker 10: No, I can't because apparently only mummified Russell brands.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 5: Well, my question is does it have to be mined
Speaker 5: only exists beneath the ground? Can we find it at
Speaker 5: the surface or yeah?
Speaker 8: No, I mean yeah we I mean in the American
Speaker 8: gold Rush, they were finding it, you know, in rivers
Speaker 8: and stuff like that, So it doesn't necessarily.
Speaker 1: Have to be mined. You We'll get to that.
Speaker 8: Because the answer is they don't know how these guys
Speaker 8: necessarily got gold, right.
Speaker 5: But oh, they don't know there's no creek, no mind,
Speaker 5: they don't know that.
Speaker 8: There's no proof that they mind it. There's no proof
Speaker 8: that they gathered it. That there's speculation on that, and
Speaker 8: I'll get to that. Okay, there's there's there's you.
Speaker 1: Know, there's a bunch of different things.
Speaker 10: I'm really glad we learned about the Buru. Otherwise I
Speaker 10: thought it was the new Knaki mine in the gold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was that was before, right, So
Speaker 1: maybe they were finding leftover in and acky gold.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 8: So where's Varna, Bulgaria, Right, you can see it. Uh,
Speaker 8: It's on the basically on the coast of the Black
Speaker 8: Sea there, Okay, if you can, if you can see that,
Speaker 8: there's lots of riverways in the area. To answer uh, uh,
Speaker 8: Ricardo's question a little bit more in depth, but there's
Speaker 8: lots of riverways that had to have been used for
Speaker 8: trade and stuff like that, and so that's possibly where
Speaker 8: they found it.
Speaker 1: But most the most likely speculation is that they just
Speaker 1: got it through trade with other with other cultures.
Speaker 8: And yeah, if you look at the picture on the left,
Speaker 8: I mean, we're really close to a lot of major civilizations, right,
Speaker 8: and uh, really close to the Black Sea, really close
Speaker 8: to the Aegean, really close to the Mediterranean, right, it's
Speaker 8: and so it's on it's A. It's a it's a
Speaker 8: perfect site for trading and and uh, not just trading metal,
Speaker 8: but trading.
Speaker 1: Customs and traditions and knowledge and things like that.
Speaker 8: So again it's just I'm not going to get into
Speaker 8: all this if I highlight and red the important points.
Speaker 8: But it's just four kilometers from the city center and
Speaker 8: it lies within a modern urbanized industrial landscape.
Speaker 1: So, like I mentioned, this.
Speaker 8: Is where you know, it's my belief that there are
Speaker 8: very important archaeological sites under virtually every major city.
Speaker 1: In the world right that we just don't know that
Speaker 1: they're there, and.
Speaker 8: We have maybe never will because we build on top
Speaker 8: of build on top of build.
Speaker 1: On top of and that's what we've been doing, a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 8: But occasionally we get lucky, right, and this one was
Speaker 8: unexpectedly uncovered on the site while working on a construction
Speaker 8: project like you named, Rachel Maronov, and.
Speaker 1: Obviously the sparks archaeological interests.
Speaker 8: This is in the seventies, so you know, probably make
Speaker 8: a few phone calls and take take a few weeks
Speaker 8: to get everyone in. Nowadays, we'd probably they'd find it
Speaker 8: and then it would spread like wildfire on the internet
Speaker 8: and a bunch of people would be speculating and stuff
Speaker 8: like that. So it's kind of the good old days
Speaker 8: because there wasn't a lot of there wasn't a lot
Speaker 8: of room for speculation. The experts could get in there early.
Speaker 8: And I highlighted this excavations between nineteen seventy two and
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety one and uncovering nearly three hundred grades and
Speaker 8: numerous artifacts.
Speaker 1: What do we know about like recent developments with go
Speaker 1: Beckley Tepee?
Speaker 8: They they what they stopped excavating, right, They didn't finish
Speaker 8: excavating the whole site for some reason, right.
Speaker 1: And they haven't.
Speaker 8: They haven't finished excavating this and they stopped in nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety one.
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw that out there with
Speaker 1: do with that as you may. It's it.
Speaker 8: It provides key insights into the copper age that or
Speaker 8: like calcolithic. I didn't know that the copper age was
Speaker 8: called the calcolithic as well, but it is, and thirty
Speaker 8: percent of it remains un excavated.
Speaker 1: Like why do you guys suppose like.
Speaker 8: They would stop excavating a site, Like there's probably a
Speaker 8: bunch of reasons to just throw.
Speaker 1: Some out there for me.
Speaker 6: Uh, mac Press of bones probably.
Speaker 8: Yeah, money desecration stuff. You have money, like, you mean,
Speaker 8: like enough money to actually keep doing it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 10: What else? Well? Sure, I mean the money can control
Speaker 10: what's excavated, meaning if the whoever's controlling the money controls
Speaker 10: what's happening. So I need money to excavate, whether it's
Speaker 10: coming to me through forms of grants or through forms
Speaker 10: of private donation, somebody's controlling that money. So if whoever
Speaker 10: controls the money has an interest in any of the narratives,
Speaker 10: then yeah, money can stop a dig.
Speaker 3: I think literally, whatever their finding could actually stop the dig.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm glad you guys are saying this.
Speaker 8: I knew you guys were the right people to ask
Speaker 8: this question too, because yeah, you could save money. And
Speaker 8: most people would think, you know, yeah, they funding right,
Speaker 8: but like maybe they find some ship that you know,
Speaker 8: busts open the narrative a little bit, right, and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 8: we can stop stop right, And then there's a There's
Speaker 8: another concept that Michael Collins Wandering Wolf talks about a
Speaker 8: lot called heritage tourism. Mm hmm, yeah, and I think
Speaker 8: heritage tourism likely plays a role here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but that's that's yeah, that was a great that
Speaker 10: was great work, my bid I saw that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with you, dude.
Speaker 5: But since their their motivations are financial, especially as in
Speaker 5: go back with Tep or seems like it if they
Speaker 5: excavated the rest, they could create more centers, more interest,
Speaker 5: more people, more money. Right, So it's a multiple factor thing.
Speaker 5: It's just not one factor.
Speaker 10: That's why you think narrative for sure, go back to
Speaker 10: I think it's.
Speaker 5: Because here it's thirty percent unexcavated, and go beck with
Speaker 5: Tepe it's from seventy to ninety percent unexcavated. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: the sites that are not excavated are known to be
Speaker 5: much larger than those that we know, so I find
Speaker 5: it interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 10: Well, look what all the guys we will watch have
Speaker 10: done with one pillar from go Beckley Tepe, right, pillar
Speaker 10: forty three? I think it is from one pillar. We've
Speaker 10: got a map that correlates so much information about a destruction.
Speaker 10: You know that happened for real. So naturally, if anybody
Speaker 10: is worried about a narrative, they see what has happened
Speaker 10: with one pillar. You know, the picture of one pillar
Speaker 10: is sure they don't want to uncover more of that.
Speaker 5: Man, Well, if you are, if you are an archeologist,
Speaker 5: you would want to unravel that and see what's the
Speaker 5: rest of the story. Let's see what the whole wave here.
Speaker 10: And it's a curious individual interested in our past, right,
Speaker 10: But nobody can be blamed for any larger interests at
Speaker 10: play that simply do not want a certain narrative put
Speaker 10: out out there, no matter how much damn money it costs,
Speaker 10: because they want to be the only ones that know
Speaker 10: and the only ones that are getting ready for some
Speaker 10: sort of catastrophe in our future. Right, So yeah, narrative
Speaker 10: for sure, go Beckley Tappe. That's just my personal leaning.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Dave, going good.
Speaker 8: I think there might be an element of narrative here, right, yeah,
Speaker 8: And uh, it's like I don't even I'm not even
Speaker 8: sure if the practice of heritage tourism and stopping at
Speaker 8: ninety percent or eighty percent, like it seems like that's
Speaker 8: that's more of a modern thing to do. And in
Speaker 8: the past I believe they were a little more honest
Speaker 8: about it as far as like from an academic perspective,
Speaker 8: But that doesn't mean that they got somewhere and then
Speaker 8: you know, had to call in somebody, and then that
Speaker 8: person comes in and then calls in you know, the
Speaker 8: powers that be whoever they are, right, and then they're like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 8: there's right, we got some ship here that changes, you know,
Speaker 8: changes everything.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that that's happened at the Varner Culture,
Speaker 8: but I just believe that that could have. That's any
Speaker 8: site that could teach us about our past could be
Speaker 8: a subject to that, right.
Speaker 9: It's it's definitely more a modern.
Speaker 10: We all know concept intrinsically. That's why we believe Concaid,
Speaker 10: that Cancaid story, you know, be it.
Speaker 1: True or not?
Speaker 10: The Grand Canyon mm hmm yeah, right, what I see, right,
Speaker 10: because we all know this.
Speaker 1: What what you're saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well tourism aspect though, is a new approach. Yes,
Speaker 3: when I finished school, I'll have a minor.
Speaker 10: In in.
Speaker 9: Basically managing.
Speaker 3: Managing anthropological and archaeological finds and how to present them
Speaker 3: to the public in a way that is digestible and
Speaker 3: also sustainable.
Speaker 5: So there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so whatever that means, you can make that
Speaker 3: mean whatever you'd like it to mean.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so I just want to you'll make it
Speaker 10: mean something that benefits all of us.
Speaker 9: Yes, well, you know, I'm a black sheep.
Speaker 1: That's the idea.
Speaker 8: That's where Jacqueline's the mole in the mole in the system.
Speaker 8: But just a little cultural context. We don't really know
Speaker 8: a whole lot about these people. They were a flourishing
Speaker 8: culture known for early metalwork working and interesting burial practices
Speaker 8: that we'll get into. I can't I don't know how
Speaker 8: to say this, anyone else want to give it a try,
Speaker 8: but contemporary with the Gallmannita culture, sharing similar technological and
Speaker 8: social advancements in the region.
Speaker 1: I have a little slide about those guys.
Speaker 8: They had sophisticated copper and gold metallurgy, producing some of
Speaker 8: the earliest processed gold artifacts and history, if not the
Speaker 8: oldest in known history.
Speaker 5: And so they also did they did sorry, did they
Speaker 5: find just the gold or did they find where they
Speaker 5: processed the gold? Because it told they don't know about mines. No,
Speaker 5: they just found their artifacts. So so this expression is
Speaker 5: from their part is wrong.
Speaker 1: What what are you what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Saying that they these similar technological and social advancements in
Speaker 5: terms of metallurgy. We don't know if they had any
Speaker 5: because it could be only trade materials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got all this from sources that I'll
Speaker 1: show you at the end.
Speaker 8: But I don't know exactly how they determined, whether they
Speaker 8: whether they process it themselves or not.
Speaker 1: But they could. You're right, they could have got it
Speaker 1: from the Mediterranean somewhere. I mean they did. They did
Speaker 1: trade with Mediterranean people, and I'm gonna get into that.
Speaker 8: So because there is evidence of long distance trade, including
Speaker 8: Mediterranean shells and salt exports, complex burial sites.
Speaker 6: That kind of thing.
Speaker 1: The gum Elite to culture.
Speaker 8: They're known for finely decorated pottery and geometric and stylized motifs.
Speaker 8: They lived in the in the same area Little Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia.
Speaker 8: The only difference is they didn't they didn't have all
Speaker 8: the blame that the varnergut. So just taking a look
Speaker 8: at of the calcolithic, the copper age so murders of
Speaker 8: the Varna culture forty six hundred BC, marking a shift
Speaker 8: towards advanced metalworking and social complexity. Radiocarbon dating, which you
Speaker 8: can take with a grain of salt, dates the graves
Speaker 8: at the Varnon Necropolis and confirms the site's age within
Speaker 8: that period.
Speaker 1: The end of the barn Necropolis.
Speaker 8: Hust was to say, we around forty two hundred BC,
Speaker 8: after which the site was abandoned or evolved, which is typical.
Speaker 1: Here's some of the blame. Let's take a look.
Speaker 8: More than three thousand gold items were found, weighing over
Speaker 8: six kilos six kilos of gold.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh that there's a there's a site. It's
Speaker 1: called Grave forty three.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you want to relate that to
Speaker 8: Pillar forty three if you want, But the dude had
Speaker 8: a unique gold penis.
Speaker 1: Sheath, which I thought was interesting and not not surprising.
Speaker 5: It sounds painful.
Speaker 8: Well, I think they just I just think they just
Speaker 8: slid it on there at the end after he died
Speaker 8: and just like you know, show everyone he was bawling,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 12: What I mean, Like Gomember, Yeah, ties it ties to Gildamesh, right,
Speaker 12: you know, because if you're talking about the pillar and
Speaker 12: then the penis sheath, my mind goes to the epica Gildamesh.
Speaker 10: You know, Graham recently put out that interpretation about stuff
Speaker 10: he'd found in the Middle East, right being the straight
Speaker 10: Guildeameshi and the guys they're holding his penis, you know,
Speaker 10: because in that story, God or whoever is telling GigaMesh
Speaker 10: that the your penis, which you find so much delight in,
Speaker 10: will soon be food for the worms, you know, So
Speaker 10: turn your heart to more everlasting things.
Speaker 1: Right, that's beautiful, that's beautiful.
Speaker 6: Some of the go ahead, David, you go, you go.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, in some of the
Speaker 2: text with mash and named Keto, they had a sexual relationship.
Speaker 6: Some people believe that m so they were more It
Speaker 6: was just together a lot.
Speaker 8: So during that little interlude for me, I did look
Speaker 8: up Ricardo's question, and there are local deposits of gold
Speaker 8: in the Balkan rivers with high purity of twenty three
Speaker 8: point five to twenty four carrots, which is what we're
Speaker 8: dealing with in these in these.
Speaker 1: These artifacts.
Speaker 8: So it suggests just simple panning and hammering, as well
Speaker 8: as as we mentioned, possible.
Speaker 5: Trade shaping, so we mean it's gold shaping.
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, possible trade with gold rich from people from
Speaker 8: Romania or Thrace and just rudimentary gathering from local veins.
Speaker 8: No evidence of advanced mining.
Speaker 13: So there you go.
Speaker 8: All right, you can see the penis sheath there, so
Speaker 8: let's just all look at this dude's peenus sheath for
Speaker 8: a second.
Speaker 5: Oh god, no podcast is complete without one of those.
Speaker 6: Correct, So the.
Speaker 1: Mummified Russell Brand had a pints sheath? Oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's sure, didn't you know what?
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised if he he mummified himself anyway
Speaker 8: when he's gone.
Speaker 1: And he does have a penis sheath, so I hope
Speaker 1: he does. He wouldn't surprise.
Speaker 10: Keep that shit from happening again, wouldn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he was approximately forty to forty five. I
Speaker 1: didn't I tried to find like.
Speaker 8: Evidence of like like a like a violent death, like
Speaker 8: battle or anything. I didn't find one, not nothing obvious.
Speaker 8: But everyone back there back then had broken this and
Speaker 8: fractured that. He was relatively tall for that time, but
Speaker 8: not super tall. There was also a bull shaped gold
Speaker 8: platelets symbolizing power and religious authority.
Speaker 1: Supposedly.
Speaker 8: The interest thing about Varna is it reveals a clear
Speaker 8: social hierarchy like this this picture here, And I couldn't
Speaker 8: find a whole lot of pictures, so there might be
Speaker 8: some version of.
Speaker 1: European nagra.
Speaker 8: But they some people were literally buried with you know, animals,
Speaker 8: and stuff just strewn about.
Speaker 1: Some people were buried separately with no stuff.
Speaker 8: Some people were buried like Homeboy there with the penis
Speaker 8: gold penis, and.
Speaker 1: So it shows clear social hierarchy with diverse burials.
Speaker 8: Just a little about the Copper Age roughly five thousand
Speaker 8: to three thousand BC in Europe and near the Near East,
Speaker 8: varying by region, transitional between the Neolithic and Bronze Age,
Speaker 8: marked by use of copper tools alongside stone implements early metallurgy.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Ricardo's getting at is it's
Speaker 1: not like these guys were like, you know.
Speaker 8: Smelting and doing all kinds of stuff, but it is metallurgy, right,
Speaker 8: and so it wasn't you know what you think of metallurgy,
Speaker 8: you know in the you know, seventeen hundreds or something
Speaker 8: like that, right, But they were working.
Speaker 1: This metal and creating cool things that have it.
Speaker 8: So I just just quick comparison to low sites in
Speaker 8: the area around the same time as far as like
Speaker 8: what they had available. There's a site in Spain called
Speaker 8: Los Malaris thirty two hundred to twenty two hundred BC,
Speaker 8: so a little over a thousand years after Varna, and
Speaker 8: it's associated with the Beaker culture when those guys spread
Speaker 8: copper and bronze technology all across Europe. The site in
Speaker 8: Spain had pottery, copper tools, Beaker pottery showing trade and cultural.
Speaker 1: Exchange, but no metal like that.
Speaker 5: No gold, is that it?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No gold? Yeah? Correct, This is a timeline.
Speaker 8: I know this might be on order, but that's okay.
Speaker 8: And I think you seem to get rid of these
Speaker 8: pro tip things pissing me off. But I don't know
Speaker 8: if you guys can see that. But here we go,
Speaker 8: start going back, going back, all right, yeah we can
Speaker 8: see them.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 8: Varna timeline compared to Mesopotamia and other ancient sites like Egypt,
Speaker 8: Varna had active skilled metallurgy and rich burials from forty
Speaker 8: six hundred BC. Compared to Mesopotamia thirty five hundred BC,
Speaker 8: that's when they had the rise of urban centers. Thirty
Speaker 8: one hundred BC is a unification of Egypt. So just
Speaker 8: just to show cuneiform tablets consumer three thousand BC. Construction
Speaker 8: of the step pyramid by Jovese of twenty six hundred BC.
Speaker 8: So Varna was doing this complex social hierarchy and metallurgy. Uh,
Speaker 8: early metallurgy thousands of years before these sites, if we're
Speaker 8: going by the mainstream narrative, Ricardo, that's so wow.
Speaker 1: I think so so similarly that that was out of order.
Speaker 8: But yeah, in copper Age Turkey seven seventy so in
Speaker 8: Anatolia in the date seventy five hundred and fifty seven
Speaker 8: hundred BC, so a little bit older than Varna, they
Speaker 8: had copper tools, polychrome wall paintings, and mud brick houses.
Speaker 8: They had large organized settlements with intricate wall paintings.
Speaker 6: And that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it's not unheard of to.
Speaker 8: Have like social hierarchies and stuff like that before that,
Speaker 8: but there was there wasn't.
Speaker 1: A whole lot of like burials that like were like
Speaker 1: all right, this.
Speaker 8: Dude is important and this plate is important, and these
Speaker 8: ones aren't that kind of thing, so keep going. So
Speaker 8: this is just comparing gold work in the timelines Varna
Speaker 8: versus Sumerian early Egypt, the Old Kingdom Egypt, Minoan crete
Speaker 8: and Celtic gold and my sinny in Greece. Okay, I'm
Speaker 8: not gonna like read this whole thing off, but you
Speaker 8: can see for yourself that there was a bunch of
Speaker 8: cultures in that area doing work with gold, but not
Speaker 8: as early as Varna.
Speaker 1: As far as we know.
Speaker 8: And I'm gonna let's see if I can. Yeah, so
Speaker 8: this is just just switching some screen shares here. This
Speaker 8: is Sumerian stuff. Just we're going to compare what we
Speaker 8: see to Varna. This is old Kingdom Egypt.
Speaker 5: Could you go back one?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sure, is the sixth one on the top, counting from
Speaker 5: the left Sumerian?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? I mean I just just a quick Google search.
Speaker 8: Notice I just typed out, so it might not might
Speaker 8: not all be just just showing your quick comparison.
Speaker 1: Old Egypt. Here my Sinnian gold.
Speaker 5: Work, the famous the famous face.
Speaker 8: Yep, the Mochi culture or however even say that. And
Speaker 8: this one is interesting, that Tumaku la Tolita gold work.
Speaker 8: And I have to go back to my grock to
Speaker 8: uh tell you guys about that, because I just learned
Speaker 8: about them this morning after I put in put together
Speaker 8: this presentation.
Speaker 1: But like, what do you notice about some of these
Speaker 1: some of this gold work from let me go back here.
Speaker 6: It's funny you bring up gold, and I'll say this
Speaker 6: because sorry, real.
Speaker 8: Quick, tron, this is the tumacolita. And then yet please
Speaker 8: talk while I find.
Speaker 1: Uh what I was looking for?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I was reading this. I think it's from
Speaker 2: Robert Alter, if I'm not mistaken. He translates the Hebrew
Speaker 2: texts and in this book, and I'll.
Speaker 6: Have to go and look for it. I'll look for
Speaker 6: it after this.
Speaker 2: But in the book he says the number six sixty
Speaker 2: six first comes up when this representation for gold, mm hm, s.
Speaker 7: Six six six thattches a tifferiate on the cabalistic trio
Speaker 7: life which gold is associated with.
Speaker 13: That's as well, m M.
Speaker 9: I was gonna say, Nick, what do you have to
Speaker 9: say about that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, see the correlations right there.
Speaker 2: And he and and I want to say it was
Speaker 2: Robert Alter, but he has he has a book series
Speaker 2: that he has translated the Hebrew text on the bottom
Speaker 2: of it in the sections literally says sixty sixty six
Speaker 2: is the first representation of gold Bible.
Speaker 5: Any explanation for that affirmation?
Speaker 10: Do? What?
Speaker 5: Does he present? Any explanation why he says it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have to go back and look at it.
Speaker 6: I have to rather books.
Speaker 10: It makes sense since the topic I brought up, It
Speaker 10: makes sense in an intrinsic level. I think if you
Speaker 10: look at revelation. Why they throw it in sixty sixty six? Right,
Speaker 10: the mark of the beasts. Well, what's wrong with this
Speaker 10: place as a whole?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 10: It's embracing of material culture, right, gold is the ultimate
Speaker 10: sign of material culture. So I think that rings a
Speaker 10: bit of truth.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 8: And uh we're just showing little comparisons. But these Tuma
Speaker 8: Lattalita gold work stuff, it's pretty old and it's pretty
Speaker 8: uh pretty good.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting stuff.
Speaker 5: Very fine work on those on those ramifications there second at.
Speaker 1: The end there we go. I was was wondering if
Speaker 1: anybody would notice.
Speaker 10: That some alien faces and so on, a lot of
Speaker 10: familiar with a lot of South America, and just I
Speaker 10: see influences on a lot of these pieces. Are not influences,
Speaker 10: but you know what I mean, it echoes it.
Speaker 8: Well I'm glad you said that, because that's where I
Speaker 8: was going with this, is that this is the earliest
Speaker 8: gold gold work in South America and it's from it.
Speaker 8: These guys were from Columbia area, so uh yeah, I'm
Speaker 8: finding Columbian Ecuador and uh it's uh, I just I
Speaker 8: just find that interesting. So approximately thirty six one hundred
Speaker 8: to four thousand years.
Speaker 1: Uh, so they're they're there. These are old for South America.
Speaker 8: By the way, you guys will find that South America's
Speaker 8: gold work is like way newer, that falls in line
Speaker 8: with younger driest hypothesis and things like that.
Speaker 10: So the stuff I'm looking at, it's not the same
Speaker 10: timeline as the Varna culture.
Speaker 1: No, it's not even It's it's literally in South America.
Speaker 10: Right. I knew that, I just had. I didn't catch
Speaker 10: the date of this stuff, I guess as compared to
Speaker 10: the Varna.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, it's it's it's much older. And we'll get
Speaker 8: it's much newer, I mean, and we'll get get it.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that.
Speaker 10: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 5: The question, the question I will make is you can
Speaker 5: make anything with this material, right, Why do this that
Speaker 5: we are seeing? I think that's the question. Why why
Speaker 5: create these shapes, these images? From all the things they
Speaker 5: could do, Why these shapes? And why do we see
Speaker 5: repeat it the same kind of motifs everywhere?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just think it's likely because there was a
Speaker 8: global civilization at one time that was connecting all this shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 8: It's hard to say whether these people were you know,
Speaker 8: interconnected at the time that they made this stuff, but
Speaker 8: they were likely interconnected by myths and stories and stuff
Speaker 8: like that and some symbolism.
Speaker 10: At some point. Right, And if we're all talking about
Speaker 10: a diffuse culture, I mean, wherever put it in the
Speaker 10: Atlantic or it doesn't matter anyone on Earth.
Speaker 1: After its destroyed, folks would.
Speaker 10: Fan out in whatever direction they fucking could.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 8: The Celts were making gold stuff in five hundred BC,
Speaker 8: which I thought was interesting, but these Varna guys were
Speaker 8: doing it much older. I'm open to the possibility, as
Speaker 8: Ricardo mentioned that they may have foundled some of this stuff, right,
Speaker 8: if there's no evidence of like anything besides just pounding
Speaker 8: and you know, shaping and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So like the Egyptian base is sort.
Speaker 8: Of yeah, yeah, And so I'm just just just look
Speaker 8: at what they're We're going to take a look at
Speaker 8: their trade network. So they were in like having pretty
Speaker 8: advanced trade networks with areas in the Black Sea, the Mediterranean,
Speaker 8: Agean and this on the right here just this is
Speaker 8: based off of carrots and similar sites. I mentioned Los
Speaker 8: Malaris earlier.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a look at talhamugar.
Speaker 8: And however, you say that one Calhya and Turkey here
Speaker 8: in a second.
Speaker 10: But.
Speaker 8: Similar sites, we're doing stuff with metal, but not nearly
Speaker 8: as well. And this and again this is just a
Speaker 8: visual representation of how much further Barnet was ahead and how.
Speaker 1: Much that they were the back in time than some
Speaker 1: of these similar sites in the area.
Speaker 8: And they also traded rock salt with in with uh
Speaker 8: in spondalous shells with civilizations in the Mediterranean, so you'll
Speaker 8: see that. And they found a lot of evidence like
Speaker 8: that at the Necropolis, which is cool.
Speaker 4: So this is it.
Speaker 1: This is interesting to me.
Speaker 8: Unique aspects of Varna is the site provides early clear
Speaker 8: evidence of social classes in prehistoric Europe, marked by distinct
Speaker 8: grave goods indicating status differences. One dude was buried with
Speaker 8: over one point five kilograms of gold, including a scepter
Speaker 8: and the penis thing, and uh women were generally buried
Speaker 8: in like the fetal position. I think that's on my
Speaker 8: next live But that show that's interesting to me. I mean,
Speaker 8: what do you guys think that shows.
Speaker 9: Could it could be interpreted in lots of ways?
Speaker 10: Actually yeah, yeah, well the fetal position at least, you know,
Speaker 10: when we take it is often in the forms of
Speaker 10: being held, being cuddled or being protected.
Speaker 9: The fetal position is quite literally the position of a
Speaker 9: fetus right.
Speaker 5: As you born, as you are born as that's right.
Speaker 6: Right, women.
Speaker 9: Women are the vessel of that delivery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 8: And one interesting thing, the last thing I'll touch on
Speaker 8: this slide is that the gold artifacts from Barnet outnumbered
Speaker 8: in that way those from contemporary sites in Mesopotamia and Egypt.
Speaker 8: So they had more gold artifacts from forty six hundred
Speaker 8: BC than Mesopotamia.
Speaker 1: And Egypt did, which is weird.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Regarding the last point, I would say, how did they
Speaker 5: knew what the fetal was? Is it because he's a
Speaker 5: small space and the baby has to be curled, or
Speaker 5: did they actually know how the fetal position was.
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't even call it the fetal position.
Speaker 5: No, they didn't, for sure, that's our interpretation. But I
Speaker 5: mean the position in itself.
Speaker 10: Well, let's be honest, we've seen plenty of examples from
Speaker 10: the Phoenicians or whatever of infant slaughter, you know, to
Speaker 10: bless sale, the sailing or the expedition. So I mean,
Speaker 10: if you're cutting them out, you know what position they're in.
Speaker 10: Just to be brutal for a minute, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 8: So the Warner culture settlements possess salt artifacts linked to
Speaker 8: can't pronounce that, but that's inland of So they had
Speaker 8: inland trade routes as well as spondalous shells source from
Speaker 8: the Mediterranean. We're found in grades and settlements. Both typically
Speaker 8: symbolized luxury and social status in the Mediterranean. And they
Speaker 8: think the Varner did that based on how and who
Speaker 8: got buried with them mh. But it confirms long distance
Speaker 8: trade routes connecting Varna with the Mediterranean cultures.
Speaker 1: Which which I think is interesting.
Speaker 8: And so when we look at this, Varna is up
Speaker 8: here on the top right, whereas Bulgaria right next to
Speaker 8: the Black Sea. So in order to trade with the
Speaker 8: Mediterranean and and and areas in the age and see,
Speaker 8: you would need like probably advanced river travel and all
Speaker 8: kinds of things. And then this bondalous shells as found
Speaker 8: like all over the southern coast of the Mediterranean. And
Speaker 8: uh so my point is is they would have it
Speaker 8: was it was a advanced trade network. They were getting
Speaker 8: these shells from very far away and getting salt from
Speaker 8: very far inland, and I think that's I think that's
Speaker 8: cool because you think about like uh forty six hundred BC.
Speaker 8: You know what kind of what you would have to do,
Speaker 8: Uh what the logistics involved, the danger and all that thing,
Speaker 8: all that stuff to make these trades.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting to me.
Speaker 8: So and like I said, this Spondalius shell exchange included
Speaker 8: maritime paths along the mediterraaning coast and river corridors linking
Speaker 8: linking the Black Sea with Central Europe. So they were
Speaker 8: they were doing some trade. This is my South American slide.
Speaker 8: As you can see, Uh, South America is uh significant,
Speaker 8: was slower to develop gold even though they had a
Speaker 8: shipload there. And if we were to speculate, what would
Speaker 8: we say? The reason for that is history selling this lie.
Speaker 4: And that lie is.
Speaker 5: That they were using gold much sooner. It's a matter
Speaker 5: of dating.
Speaker 8: Just yes, So what they're doing is they're connecting the
Speaker 8: gold that they find with these cultures.
Speaker 6: Right, so.
Speaker 5: Say what gold lasts forever, so it could be much older, correct?
Speaker 8: So what what we what we can then infer, right,
Speaker 8: is that like it's possible that the gold that these
Speaker 8: cultures they found with these cultures maybe wasn't necessarily belonging
Speaker 8: to them they found it, right or uh, maybe these
Speaker 8: cultures are older than we thought. Now, I'd like to
Speaker 8: subscribe to the younger, driest impact hypothesis or solar outbursts
Speaker 8: or whatever. There was a catastrophe around ten five hundred
Speaker 8: BC that wiped out that whatever culture that was, whether
Speaker 8: it was Atlantis or whatever you want to call it, right.
Speaker 1: But it makes sense to me that.
Speaker 8: Looking at this and then looking at the other timelines,
Speaker 8: that they would be slower to discover some of this
Speaker 8: stuff and start working with it in an advanced way
Speaker 8: because the evidence suggests that the major impact or air
Speaker 8: burst happened over North America, which means, you know, anything
Speaker 8: close to there got a later start. That's why Middle
Speaker 8: East and Africa got seemed to be so far advanced,
Speaker 8: so so much further back, right, And it's because of
Speaker 8: just below my opinion, because of the location of the
Speaker 8: you know, the catastrophe, right, and so.
Speaker 10: I think it could have also been that they were
Speaker 10: set up differently, you know, that's just uh, I wanted
Speaker 10: to chime in my opinion. I think you're right, you know,
Speaker 10: the diffusion would have happened differently. But I think there's
Speaker 10: a possibility when we look at native cultures, especially the
Speaker 10: mound builders, but but native in general, we see a
Speaker 10: much more well a simpler skywatching agricultural lifestyle, a different
Speaker 10: expression than we see happened over in the west, you know,
Speaker 10: so I think that's a possibility as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and it's it could be both, right,
Speaker 1: could be could be.
Speaker 10: Both exactly as there's always the case and much of
Speaker 10: this it could be both. And that's why it's it's
Speaker 10: so fun.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 8: Well we we we speculate, right, like right, you know
Speaker 8: any you know, it's hard to know what happened, you know,
Speaker 8: one hundred years ago versus right, So most of the
Speaker 8: time we're just speculating. Yeah, and so Ricardo sarn I
Speaker 8: thought you were going to say something. Yeah, so just
Speaker 8: just a little bit more about the trade route.
Speaker 10: It's default, Ricardo's interrupting, man, So you know, it's just
Speaker 10: either live up to your name or mute it.
Speaker 8: No, I can't see you guys while I'm doing this either,
Speaker 8: so it's all good. So this is just explaining that's
Speaker 8: Ai on the right, don't worry about that. But this
Speaker 8: is just explaining, uh more.
Speaker 1: About the trade route. And here's where we're.
Speaker 8: Talking about the female burial practices. Buried and fetal positions.
Speaker 8: Of course, the interpretation is contrasting with male burials reflecting
Speaker 8: gender role and possibly different social statuses or beliefs about
Speaker 8: life after.
Speaker 1: Life and death. And we can imply our own lens
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 8: But I like how you guys didn't apply immediately immediately
Speaker 8: imply a modern lens to that, because it could be
Speaker 8: interpreted in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: Like Jacqueline said, right, So.
Speaker 8: Some graves we had clay masks and contained nobodies, suggesting
Speaker 8: complex ritual practices. What do you guys think that means
Speaker 8: grave with nobody.
Speaker 9: Well, the body could be used for some other like
Speaker 9: ritual practice. So in lieu of a body or if
Speaker 9: somebody was lost in like.
Speaker 10: Or in a battle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know we do that.
Speaker 5: Now, we do do that.
Speaker 1: Now that's true. We will bear soldier at Arlington.
Speaker 9: You know, we bury empty coffins all the time.
Speaker 5: In Iberia. One of the most disturbing archaeological finds is
Speaker 5: we have hundreds and hundreds of shadow like graves that
Speaker 5: are too small for humans. They are sculpted as some
Speaker 5: of the rock carts, where you see a triangular shape
Speaker 5: of the body the circle pretending to be the head,
Speaker 5: and they carved it on the bedrock, so there's no lid.
Speaker 5: And then when they were excavating from Roman and past
Speaker 5: the Roman layer and starting to go to the bedrock,
Speaker 5: they found the bedrock with hundreds of these kinds of
Speaker 5: graves concentrate that you can't even walk in there because
Speaker 5: it's a minefield of holes, and they can't understand what
Speaker 5: they're for. They keep saying that, oh, we find bones
Speaker 5: from the seventeenth century.
Speaker 10: In some of that sounds like a memorial to a
Speaker 10: lot of deaths, you know, like a catastrophic event of
Speaker 10: some sort.
Speaker 5: But it's the shape of how they configure it, so
Speaker 5: like this very long triangle that is round that narrow
Speaker 5: point and with the circular for the head supposedly right.
Speaker 10: Well, if you're saying it's echoing the cave representations, right,
Speaker 10: and then then we could see that as a carved
Speaker 10: effigy of human beings, you know, So that would indicate
Speaker 10: a large amount of deaths where there were no bodies left.
Speaker 5: But you can't walk there, and if and you can't
Speaker 5: put even if you put the bones there, it would
Speaker 5: be crowded because some of them are really too small
Speaker 5: for even in a fetal position. You need a very
Speaker 5: small child to fit in that. And because it's conical,
Speaker 5: there is no place for the feet then, and you
Speaker 5: can't twist the body or anything. So I just pointing
Speaker 5: this because of the east pointing of the grade. Ye sure,
Speaker 5: and you can't walk in there. You can go from
Speaker 5: from hole to hole in the ground, from carved drop
Speaker 5: to carve drop because they are all connected with one another.
Speaker 5: So it's and now you have an entire village built
Speaker 5: on top of it. But when you start digging and
Speaker 5: past the Roman they found this, and no one knows
Speaker 5: what they're Okay, they act always say they know that
Speaker 5: it's it's it's for bone depositation, but no bones were
Speaker 5: found in them unless from around the eighteenth century some
Speaker 5: monks have found it when they're digging and probably put
Speaker 5: some bones into it and put dirt on top of it. Again,
Speaker 5: it's intriguing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is intriguing, and I want to look into
Speaker 1: that more. Yeah, please. Yeah. So this is again.
Speaker 8: I think we do this a lot in archaeology, but
Speaker 8: we put our own lens onto things, and we tend
Speaker 8: to say that everything is about religion and spirituality, and
Speaker 8: sometimes it is.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but.
Speaker 8: For whatever the blacksmiths were held in super high regard
Speaker 8: in the Varna culture as well.
Speaker 10: And that makes sense, Yeah, it does.
Speaker 8: And we've got me thinking about what Tyrone was saying
Speaker 8: about the women being taught metallurgy and was it Mesopotamia or.
Speaker 6: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: According to the Mesopotamian's metallurgy was given to the woman,
Speaker 2: just like in the Bible, how Eve the forbidden fruit,
Speaker 2: they gave them the tree of knowledge, you know, so,
Speaker 2: and the relationship between tree and knowledge is uh. You know,
Speaker 2: metallurgy can be used for good, for agricultural needs, but
Speaker 2: it can also be used for evil, which the destruction
Speaker 2: of the earth.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And in Tales of Africa you'll find and I learned
Speaker 5: this recently that uh, they only allowed the women to mine,
Speaker 5: not the man. It was the women that did the mining,
Speaker 5: and they could only use copper tools. This is on
Speaker 5: their oral traditions. Why it's a mystery, but also the
Speaker 5: women again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're getting close to the end of my
Speaker 1: stuff here. But uh, they have a museum at the at.
Speaker 8: The barn and Acropolis and uh it's uh, it has
Speaker 8: limited maintenance. It has maintenance issues. It's only ordered by
Speaker 8: the Varnum municipality and EU funding. And I don't think
Speaker 8: the European Union has a whole lot of money or
Speaker 8: time to be spent on this kind of stuff at
Speaker 8: this particular time.
Speaker 1: But uh, it's it's it says this is interesting to me.
Speaker 8: Preservation efforts ensure the site's legacy continues to educate future generations.
Speaker 1: Is that not what they said about?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 8: Go Beckley Tepping mm hmm yep, And uh, preservation efforts, Like,
Speaker 8: what does.
Speaker 1: That mean to you guys?
Speaker 9: Efforts?
Speaker 5: Well, it can mean taking the artifacts and protecting the
Speaker 5: control environment, can mean putting dirt on top of it
Speaker 5: and hiding it with the excuse of it can use
Speaker 5: and it can be creative project that relate some money
Speaker 5: to the site itself so they can continue with the
Speaker 5: exploration without needing extra funding.
Speaker 10: They do leave it wide open for interpretation, don't they.
Speaker 10: They efforts damn.
Speaker 8: And that that's that's the point I was trying to
Speaker 8: make is usually this this stuff is open to interpretation,
Speaker 8: and uh, the interpretation is open so that like the narrative.
Speaker 1: Can be controlled.
Speaker 8: Typically it's usually like like like lawyer type people write
Speaker 8: this in a way that like, you know, you're you're
Speaker 8: not lying, but you're being.
Speaker 1: You know, you're just not being honest either, you know,
Speaker 1: and so lacking transparency.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And so it could be preservation efforts ensure
Speaker 8: the site's legacy continues to educate future generations. Could be
Speaker 8: a good thing, could be a bad thing. I think
Speaker 8: most of the time its sites like these, it's a
Speaker 8: good thing. But as Ricardo mentioned, it can be like
Speaker 8: you could, you could. It could mean a bunch of things, right.
Speaker 8: It could mean like, oh, we better hide this in
Speaker 8: a vault so no one sees it, or we better
Speaker 8: stop digging now because it screws with our narrative.
Speaker 9: Right, And so it seems to mean that more and
Speaker 9: more often these days.
Speaker 6: Correct, That's what. Yeah, that's why I say everybody.
Speaker 2: You know, if people find enough evidence to share their narrative,
Speaker 2: all they need is enough evidence they can grab from here,
Speaker 2: leave out a little bit of this, and boom. Yeah
Speaker 2: that's what the texts say. But you forget what the
Speaker 2: context meant. You forgot what to settle before that, you
Speaker 2: forgot the middle of it, you forgot the ending of it.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 2: It's and that's why for me personally, I made it
Speaker 2: a point to show, Okay, this is what I have
Speaker 2: on hand right now, if you can show me better
Speaker 2: present it, and then I can go ahead and carry
Speaker 2: forth from that. Other than that, I'm stuck with only
Speaker 2: stuff that I have in front of me. And that's
Speaker 2: why when he was talking about you know, what was
Speaker 2: the oldest known manufactured of gold?
Speaker 6: I knew it started with a B. And that was
Speaker 6: the basic that I knew.
Speaker 2: I knew that all I needed to do if I
Speaker 2: needed to go do a quick reference was go to
Speaker 2: chatcipt or go to Google and say, hey, what is
Speaker 2: the oldest gold manufacturing place in the world that we
Speaker 2: know of? It started with a B and it will
Speaker 2: probably bring up so many different ones, and as soon
Speaker 2: as I see it with my own eyes because I've
Speaker 2: read it, I'll be like, oh, yeah, that's.
Speaker 6: The one that I've read. That's the one that I
Speaker 6: remember from. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So I want to show you guys that just like
Speaker 8: a less than two minute video. The sources from the
Speaker 8: US Money Reserve YouTube channel, So take with that what
Speaker 8: you want. But it's a it's a it's a compact
Speaker 8: short video.
Speaker 10: So you're showing us propaganda.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, man, right, that so we had a what
Speaker 5: you were receiving for doing this?
Speaker 8: Yes, I do, yes, But the reason I chose it
Speaker 8: was it's only ninety seconds and it gives us probably
Speaker 8: a little bit of propaganda as well as like a
Speaker 8: really nice look at like the exhibits and stuff like
Speaker 8: that and what they got going on there. So let
Speaker 8: me just take shortly plus someone to shout them out
Speaker 8: so that they don't demonetize this someday.
Speaker 1: Do look at that? Where's the occult reference in that?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 10: It looked like he was smoking a really large do
Speaker 10: he stuck on a pin like they used to do
Speaker 10: in the seventies?
Speaker 1: Is there a cult references here?
Speaker 5: It's ty sticky stick because it's type stick.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this US money Reserve symbol.
Speaker 5: Hmm, well, dex mars we'll have oh yeah, just thrown
Speaker 5: it out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 14: The Varna Necropolis is an ancient burial site located in Varna, Bulgaria.
Speaker 14: The site received mass notoriety after it was discovered in
Speaker 14: nineteen seventy two. After its partial excavation, archaeologists discovered over
Speaker 14: two hundred and ninety graves, many containing gold and other
Speaker 14: ancient treasures. Some of these items included sculpted mass weapon.
Speaker 8: So I just want to pause quick on this, Like,
Speaker 8: this is some cool shit that they were making, right,
Speaker 8: looks like is that a bull or a ram something
Speaker 8: bowl symbolism, I jewelry scepters.
Speaker 10: Looks like an ad laddle and a boomerang there in
Speaker 10: the middle.
Speaker 6: I mean, just all agricultural needs, right, right.
Speaker 10: Weapons of choice to take down the whatever was Roman inventin.
Speaker 10: The beads too, are just incredible, man, You're right, it's all.
Speaker 10: It's beautiful, very funny. These aren't folks on caves just
Speaker 10: you know, squatting and banging some gold or against the
Speaker 10: hot stone. I mean, you know, these folks have had
Speaker 10: some practice.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It looks like it is an eye illusion that there
Speaker 5: is glass between the thing that looks like a crucifix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's just an
Speaker 1: I illusion.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: It looks like a pipe, doesn't it, Yeah a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wonder why they said it at a park since
Speaker 5: they find all the pieces.
Speaker 1: I think this is my guess, but maybe.
Speaker 8: That there was like wood, a wooden rod in between,
Speaker 8: like that went through the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Together.
Speaker 5: That's observation. Yeah, that's what I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: But I thinks pretty bad ass.
Speaker 15: I like one of those things, right and golden bowl,
Speaker 15: yeah that the necklaces are are like you know rappers
Speaker 15: would be would love that.
Speaker 10: Well, that's a bank right there.
Speaker 1: Just take all the bead every time.
Speaker 10: You need to purchase something.
Speaker 16: They finally goldeth that ispens decorations and golden beads, pendants, necklaces,
Speaker 16: bracelets and pectorals, or armored breastplates used in combat. One
Speaker 16: specific grave, dubbed Grave forty three, contained more gold than
Speaker 16: what had been found in the rest of the world
Speaker 16: at the time of the discovery. The findings from the
Speaker 16: discovery denote one of the earliest instances of civilization and
Speaker 16: European history. Radiocarbon dating suggests that these grades are created
Speaker 16: around four thousand, five hundred and sixty nine to four
Speaker 16: three hundred and forty BC. That makes these items over
Speaker 16: six thousand years old. To this day, about thirty percent
Speaker 16: of Varna Necropolis has yet to be excavated, leading many
Speaker 16: to wonder what kind of ancient mysteries are waiting to
Speaker 16: be unearthed. Called all the number on your screen or
Speaker 16: click the bot gold.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I just wanted to show that quick. So
Speaker 8: what gives you a good look at the sites and
Speaker 8: stuff and better clear image. So we're getting close to
Speaker 8: the end here. You can go to this museum pretty easily.
Speaker 8: It's easily accessible to tourists. It's not that expensive to
Speaker 8: go to. It's right in the middle of the city.
Speaker 8: Guided tours and shit like that. So but oldest processed
Speaker 8: gold known to mankind as far as we know, based
Speaker 8: on the the siop narrative that.
Speaker 1: We've all been taught and so yeah, I just thought
Speaker 1: it was cool and I wanted to learn more about it.
Speaker 1: So I made a PowerPoint and uh, that's it.
Speaker 8: I did make a little some references, so YouTube doesn't
Speaker 8: demonetize me, but it's based on.
Speaker 5: Like that site.
Speaker 1: Just just for general discussion.
Speaker 4: What do you do?
Speaker 8: What do you feel like that means as far as
Speaker 8: what we know about human you know, civilization, human trading,
Speaker 8: that kind of thing. What Why do you feel like
Speaker 8: they that area had so much more gold, had so
Speaker 8: much more reverence for gold, and built so much gold
Speaker 8: ship compared to Egypt and Mesopotamia at the same time,
Speaker 8: who were further ahead in things like writing and things
Speaker 8: like math and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Oh well, so I was saying this before a lot
Speaker 2: of women, or I tell a lot of people that
Speaker 2: women are the first mathematicians because they were mathematicians because
Speaker 2: they were the ones who can link up their cycles
Speaker 2: with the with the moon, and that was for them
Speaker 2: to tell certain days that it's shango bone. It's one
Speaker 2: of the oldest bones that that depicts that, and the
Speaker 2: date on that goes back you know, you know, different
Speaker 2: dates of course, but as far as I know, it's
Speaker 2: one of the oldest ways of telling you know, the
Speaker 2: cycles and.
Speaker 6: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So math, yeah, I always say math is you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it is pretty wild because I always tell people, you
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 9: The the.
Speaker 2: Stupid idea that women are bad in math and that
Speaker 2: they were actually the first mathematicians is something that's just
Speaker 2: weird to me because we you know, it just doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense. So I always, uh, you know, point that
Speaker 2: that out there to let people know that, you know,
Speaker 2: women were the first mathematicians. They were the ones that
Speaker 2: were doing the counting and.
Speaker 6: Stuff like that. I mean, they're biologically they're linked with that.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, a man can go in seclusion
Speaker 6: and then not know what day it is.
Speaker 2: Right, women can start her own calendar based off her
Speaker 2: own cycle.
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying, Well, you see how it
Speaker 10: could happen. I mean it seems like you're describing like
Speaker 10: early you know what you call science. I mean, if
Speaker 10: you are in a village and you do know the
Speaker 10: cycles of the moon, they're important to you for some purpose,
Speaker 10: whether you understand it or not.
Speaker 1: There's clouds a lot of times.
Speaker 10: But if you notice and through observation that this woman,
Speaker 10: every time her cycle comes, the moon's in this position. Yeah, naturally,
Speaker 10: then you'd have it right there ready, no matter the whether.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And only women would know that, you know, they know
Speaker 2: their own personal body and they look up in the
Speaker 2: sky and be like, man, the moon is always moving
Speaker 2: every time this happens. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: that's what that's you know what I bring up a lot.
Speaker 2: But you know, with gold, you know, every like I
Speaker 2: said earlier, everybody believes that it's Africa that has to
Speaker 2: deal with gold. But you know, when you look at Varna,
Speaker 2: you know you actually see it older than any everything.
Speaker 2: And I was saying it earlier. Every civilization started around
Speaker 2: thirty two hundred PC. Some people will say thirty two
Speaker 2: hundred BC. Some people say thirty five hundred BCS some
Speaker 2: like some people will say forty five hundred BC.
Speaker 6: It goes between.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the Meso Americans, the Samerians,
Speaker 2: or the Mesopotamians, the African civilizations, they're all around thirty
Speaker 2: two something hundred pc.
Speaker 6: It just depends on what you consider.
Speaker 2: That's why I say the Samarians are considered the oldest
Speaker 2: only because of their writing system. But it takes a
Speaker 2: civilizing group of individuals to make the gold artifacts that
Speaker 2: they just presented, So why isn't that on the criteria?
Speaker 2: And I always say that every single time to everybody,
Speaker 2: I say, what is your criteria that is needed to
Speaker 2: be considered a civilization? Because everybody want to have a
Speaker 2: different criteria. Some I'm going to say writing systems, some
Speaker 2: people want to say building up pottery. I know Samuel
Speaker 2: Noah Kramer says in his books that in one of
Speaker 2: his books, The thirty nine First of Sumer, he actually
Speaker 2: talks about how pottery is found there too, And Citrin
Speaker 2: actually says that too. So many ways, but you can
Speaker 2: tell pottery is different, is made differently, and because of
Speaker 2: pottery and the potter's wheel is where we get the
Speaker 2: wheel from. We don't get wheels from you know, transporting anything.
Speaker 2: We get the wheel from them creating it from the
Speaker 2: potter's wheel. So but you know, taking mundy and slapping
Speaker 2: it together, it's not really hard to do. It's just
Speaker 2: an advanced part will be burning into some kind of
Speaker 2: fire pit or something like that.
Speaker 8: So, yeah, with the Warner culture, they had sophisticated trade networks,
Speaker 8: which I think is a hallmark of civilization, right, I
Speaker 8: mean it requires a.
Speaker 5: Whole bunch of forethought and planning and.
Speaker 10: You know, knowledge of multiple independently developed community with their
Speaker 10: own resources to share.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: And then you so you have to like learn to
Speaker 8: talk to these independent communities and things like that. So
Speaker 8: you have to have and there's a lot of specialization
Speaker 8: that would go into an advanced paphistication.
Speaker 5: But in terms of astronomy, they are all in the
Speaker 5: same year, so it takes to all of them the
Speaker 5: same seventy two years to calculate one degree of the sky.
Speaker 5: So there's there's no way that everyone got to the
Speaker 5: same conclusion at the same time because they are all
Speaker 5: in the same the same year. So they all have
Speaker 5: to do the calculations, or one did the calculations, and
Speaker 5: then diffusion spread it all over the world, because I
Speaker 5: don't see a lot of communities getting seventy two years
Speaker 5: of records just to document one degree in order for
Speaker 5: them to know the procession of the equinos and all
Speaker 5: that stuff. Just before we finished, I just wanted to
Speaker 5: see for you to see what I was talking about.
Speaker 5: Do you see the floor? They are very small, and
Speaker 5: they are everywhere right. They just opened that bit there,
Speaker 5: so the houses and everything was built on top because
Speaker 5: they couldn't see them. So it's very strange, and it's
Speaker 5: more eerie when you're there because there's no footing people
Speaker 5: live there. Yes, okay, this is called villa. It's a
Speaker 5: place up north.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's chilling. I mean, especially if you see them
Speaker 10: as representations of death. Say they didn't actually bury anything
Speaker 10: in there, you know, because they didn't have anything to bury.
Speaker 10: Then that's just that that looks like a representation of
Speaker 10: a lot of people dine at once, you know, explosion
Speaker 10: or whatever, mass catastrophe where that's what I see as
Speaker 10: you're right, man, it's chilling, you see, Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 10: It's very stronge.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 10: So Dave, I'll just say quickly, I guess my comment
Speaker 10: and question. First of all, thank you very much man
Speaker 10: again for educating me on something I had no doubt about.
Speaker 10: And what I see, first of all or the date
Speaker 10: that you shared. Right, So not only when I see
Speaker 10: the pictures of all this stuff, but I see that
Speaker 10: date that has got most of the popular according to
Speaker 10: the main narrative, the popular location for civilization to emerge,
Speaker 10: whatever that meant, is later, right than this. The second
Speaker 10: thing I guess that jumped to me was its location.
Speaker 10: So we're looking near go Beckley Tepe territory, right, you know,
Speaker 10: looking at at a map. If I'm correct, it's Turkey
Speaker 10: right that general region of the world. So what I
Speaker 10: see is if we do not see the signs of
Speaker 10: metallurgy and all that, and we see this reverence for gold,
Speaker 10: we also see its geolocation being very close to what
Speaker 10: we now see is the oldest expression of anything from man,
Speaker 10: you know, at least as far as we can tell. Right,
Speaker 10: So why are these two things then echoing in that
Speaker 10: exact same region, right, And with go Beckley Tepe echoing
Speaker 10: so much knowledge you hit at the procession, right, all
Speaker 10: this knowledge of what the stars looked like then and
Speaker 10: what they would look like way down the line. So
Speaker 10: they left this map that all echoes to somebody surviving,
Speaker 10: so you know, what it was was more with survivors
Speaker 10: from this cataclysm right coming and planting somewhere does That's
Speaker 10: what I take from it is it seems to push
Speaker 10: the timeline, and it also geographically echoes other findings that
Speaker 10: push the timeline and and sort of leave the same
Speaker 10: questions where did this gold working arise from? Where did
Speaker 10: this stone working arise from? You know, that's what I see.
Speaker 10: And bravo, dude, and thanks for that, man, for educating me.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, and I'm just educating myself. So enjoy sharing.
Speaker 1: And you know, Ricardo pointed that out like right at
Speaker 1: the beginning, ruined the surprise. But the surprise really was that, like,
Speaker 1: we don't keep that in mind.
Speaker 8: We don't know, we don't know shit, like and knowing
Speaker 8: that we know nothing is as a Socrates is like
Speaker 8: important when we're looking at stuff like this, right and
Speaker 8: we're considering these dates and we're considering, you know.
Speaker 10: Like.
Speaker 1: What this means, because this is just one dude doing
Speaker 1: some construction.
Speaker 8: Probably there's a bunch of dudes, but the guy who
Speaker 8: like was the head of the construction team is the
Speaker 8: guy who gets the name. But like, you know, finding
Speaker 8: this right, and like I said right at the very beginning,
Speaker 8: is that under our feet is like the all the
Speaker 8: answers right, and we're gonna who knows what we're going?
Speaker 8: What's going to change the timeline in what ways? You know,
Speaker 8: by accident like that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 8: And so the reason why I think that we don't
Speaker 8: hear about that site very often is.
Speaker 1: Because it does challenge the narrative a little bit, doesn't it.
Speaker 10: It it it?
Speaker 8: And then Tyrone is the way Tyrone pointed out is
Speaker 8: what is a civilization?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 1: There's entire.
Speaker 8: Entire academic mobs that like are built upon like the
Speaker 8: idea of civilization starting in Mesopotamia, And there's a shitload
Speaker 8: of money and institutional control over that idea.
Speaker 10: Right, a lot of inertia behind that idea.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you're wrong, right, But what is a civilization?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: Like if you have advanced uh you know, trade networks
Speaker 8: and spiritual beliefs and doing all this crazy shit with
Speaker 8: gold way before they were doing it in Messooitamian stuff.
Speaker 1: Would that not be a civilization? Just thrown it out there.
Speaker 5: I think an advanced civilization is a civilization that promotes
Speaker 5: cultural peace and understanding between all that's not technology. Technology
Speaker 5: doesn't bring you peace or understanding, can even if you
Speaker 5: can't even create dission because everyone has an opinion.
Speaker 10: Well you don't hear, I'm sorry, Ricardo.
Speaker 5: Finished, Otherwise I will run for an hour.
Speaker 6: So I just finished.
Speaker 10: No. I think it's it's not shared for for many reasons,
Speaker 10: and I think, utmost you're right. It's this timeline, you know.
Speaker 10: I mean, look, we've got a freaking mummified Russell brand
Speaker 10: with its old pis. You know she right, there is
Speaker 10: some advanced teleology or or thought process is going on
Speaker 10: with this group of people. Call them whatever you will,
Speaker 10: a civilization.
Speaker 5: They're still doing that in Africa today. They're still bearing
Speaker 5: their guys with the says grabbed to their penises.
Speaker 10: Right, but we don't we also see though, look like
Speaker 10: you said, when when I come with no narrative, you know,
Speaker 10: like Dave started this with, right, when that's to me
Speaker 10: is the position of I know nothing, right is I'm
Speaker 10: not going to apply a narrative now I am gonna
Speaker 10: The more I learn about a certain narrative and the
Speaker 10: more it starts to appel real to me, the more
Speaker 10: I do have to fight against. Right. But still what
Speaker 10: we're trying to achieve is no narrative. Right, So I
Speaker 10: look at this. It's in the area of go Beckley Tepe.
Speaker 10: There's a dude that looks like Russell Brand with his
Speaker 10: penis and a golden sheath.
Speaker 12: What do I have it?
Speaker 1: The first layer of go Beckley Tepe.
Speaker 10: I got a dude to hold his penis. Okay, right there,
Speaker 10: I see links, right, I see links that I could
Speaker 10: say this culture so even on the tip, no pun.
Speaker 5: Intent on the tip Jesus.
Speaker 10: Right, when I don't apply a narrative, If I just
Speaker 10: look at it like this, should I dug up? I
Speaker 10: see correlations.
Speaker 1: And both of these come way before.
Speaker 10: And they had a weird obsession with the penis, but
Speaker 10: they both come well before anything the established narrative tells me.
Speaker 5: Right, and Freud, if he was alive, it would be.
Speaker 9: Day right now.
Speaker 5: No, you would see I was born in the wrong
Speaker 5: age because back then I will make a fortune. Because
Speaker 5: these people are obsessed.
Speaker 1: I like the interpretation of the Gilgamesh.
Speaker 10: You know that that it's a reminder to us to
Speaker 10: constantly not be obsessed with the material realm, and and
Speaker 10: to anybody at least that's walked around in a male body.
Speaker 10: You understand that battle that this thing that is not
Speaker 10: connected to my everlasting wants to take my attention, you know.
Speaker 10: And so you see this permanent reminder from the epic,
Speaker 10: a GigaMesh etched in stone and maybe gold, echoing back
Speaker 10: to what we could say is a spiritual tradition. You
Speaker 10: guys know, I'm going to lean that way, but at
Speaker 10: least to a story, you know, about a spiritual tradition
Speaker 10: and an actual event, the cataclysm, right Goebecley Tappe is
Speaker 10: telling me about a time the cataclysm happened. These guys
Speaker 10: echoing advanced technology here in Varna and the same maybe
Speaker 10: beliefs type systems as this civilization. Of course, they don't
Speaker 10: want us to talk about this place.
Speaker 5: Thanks, you know, Dave, do you know how high is
Speaker 5: that city where we've found that's what I mean, CD
Speaker 5: is the location? How high it is?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't We can look it up
Speaker 1: quick though.
Speaker 5: It would be interesting. Because of this, we know that
Speaker 5: the event that destroyed all of that area, including the Mediterranean,
Speaker 5: was around from four thousand BC to thirty two hundred BC,
Speaker 5: and so volcano right, No, No, the berkle Crater event
Speaker 5: to create a vast tsunami that entered across Egypt to
Speaker 5: the Mediterranean and caused all of the weeks of rain.
Speaker 5: The first week was boiling rain, rain that is actually
Speaker 5: almost in vapor, so ninety degrees water raining, and then yeah,
Speaker 5: then normal rain. So this whole thing about six weeks
Speaker 5: of continuous rain after the tsunami, right, so it's water everywhere.
Speaker 5: Only the high places survived. So we know that Quebeci Teppe,
Speaker 5: although most people don't speak about it, has an enormous lake,
Speaker 5: not enormous compared to the America, but it has a
Speaker 5: vast lake on top of the mountain right above Globe Teca.
Speaker 5: And if you look at the hydrography of the terrain,
Speaker 5: you see that that lake overflowed and brought a lot
Speaker 5: of silts down that buried Gobeci, Tepi and the whole area.
Speaker 5: It's not naturally buried, as they say, it was a
Speaker 5: massive landslide that covered the whole thing. But because we
Speaker 5: don't find bodies. It's obvious that they knew that what's
Speaker 5: going to happen, and so they move south probably and
Speaker 5: they could move to the place where you find this
Speaker 5: Varna right, all of their culture of the time. So
Speaker 5: I'm just asking, is Varna high eye ground so it
Speaker 5: could survive the cataclysm, that's my question.
Speaker 10: No, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 5: It's basically sea level, so that the dates are conflictuous.
Speaker 1: Yeah and there, yeah, yeah they are. I did look up.
Speaker 8: About the astronomical alignments, and there's you know, some people
Speaker 8: have speculated that, first of all, some of those circular
Speaker 8: gold items could indicate could be represent celestial bodies, but
Speaker 8: it's just speculation.
Speaker 1: And most of the graves are.
Speaker 8: Aligned east to west, which could suggest some rudimentary knowledge
Speaker 8: of where.
Speaker 5: The sun sets.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and so they probably were thinking about that kind
Speaker 8: of stuff, but there's no like clear it's it's not
Speaker 8: like they don't have any napped to play us stuff
Speaker 8: going on there or or or whatever.
Speaker 1: But still pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: As funny as you mentioned nap to play. A lot
Speaker 2: of people don't know about that place. That's like another
Speaker 2: old calendar place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the oldest calendar place, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends because some people consider the Inky Calendar
Speaker 2: slash Adams Calendar in South.
Speaker 6: Africa to be older.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Adams calendar is probably older than what's.
Speaker 10: The name of the thing we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you reference it as the oldest.
Speaker 6: So they had nap. The play is supposed to be
Speaker 6: one of the oldest calendars.
Speaker 2: But there's argument that there's one in South Africa called
Speaker 2: Inky slash Adams Calendar that's older. Some people will say
Speaker 2: it was like cow pastors or something like that, but
Speaker 2: it was Others say that it lines up with.
Speaker 5: In the with about one million top or more circular
Speaker 5: structures and have to ply it there just that point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, doesn't have to play ye, and it's it's.
Speaker 1: A literal calendar and soar and uh everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's multiple alignments. I've seen several papers on it.
Speaker 5: It's very well studied.
Speaker 6: And stone supposedly. Yeah. All right, guys.
Speaker 4: As much as I'd love to keep going, the alarm
Speaker 4: is sounding, don't thank someone's here, and it's probably the
Speaker 4: bus Solomon.
Speaker 5: Well, that one's Falcore.
Speaker 6: I have two German shepherds.
Speaker 10: Oh nice love never ending story reference is now in place.
Speaker 6: Right so we can wrap.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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