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<v Speaker 1>Something's going to happen? What? What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>One?

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Universe Unveiled, the podcast where we explore the

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<v Speaker 3>mysteries that challenge our understanding of history in the Universe.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Jacqueline and I'm Sarah. Today we have a historical occasion,

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<v Speaker 4>our first official Universe Unveiled Crew session. Joining us today

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<v Speaker 4>is a carefully selected panel of experts and big thinkers.

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<v Speaker 4>We're excited to put our heads together with them and

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<v Speaker 4>see what we can all learn from each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so first of all, go around and have everyone

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<v Speaker 3>introduce themselves, starting with Ricardo. If you would tell the

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<v Speaker 3>people who you are, what you're into, and where they

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Thank you for having me. I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 5>hear the presentations that are going to do today. We

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<v Speaker 5>are an excellent company for sure. So my name is Ka.

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<v Speaker 5>You can find me a text where as it is

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<v Speaker 5>in the screen as we got colvery one, and I

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<v Speaker 5>can participate. You'll find sections there where you can contact us.

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<v Speaker 5>So thank you for having me again.

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<v Speaker 1>Ty Ron.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi how's everybody doing today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, everything that you want to know about me can

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<v Speaker 2>be found on my website, Rebirth Oftheword dot com. You

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<v Speaker 2>can also buy my book Journey through the Origins of

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<v Speaker 2>History on Amazon and thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 6>Appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Nick, Hey, thank you very much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 7>Next from the Occult Rejects basically a podcast that touches

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<v Speaker 7>Bitch You, Rumble, YouTube, and all major podcasts, and we

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<v Speaker 7>also have Occult Research Institute dot org. If you're into

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<v Speaker 7>long form reading, definitely tons of stuff on there.

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<v Speaker 6>You can check out.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you Perfect, David Hey Dave from Mike and Dave's Multiverse.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm the Dave and the Mic and Daves. We have

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<v Speaker 8>a YouTube channel. We interview interesting people about stuff we

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<v Speaker 8>like and are interested in, mostly ancient history, uap UFO stuff, science,

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<v Speaker 8>that kind of thing. We're on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify's where

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<v Speaker 8>you can find the podcast. We do a live stream

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<v Speaker 8>across five platforms every Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>We sometimes we have guests, sometimes we don't.

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<v Speaker 8>Usually just about again ancient history, space, science, science, that

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<v Speaker 8>kind of thing. So check us out at Mike and

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<v Speaker 8>Dave's Multiverse.

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<v Speaker 9>Awesome, and last but not least, Shaman.

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<v Speaker 10>Hi, guys, Jason Hoffman known as Shaman, So describe me simply.

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<v Speaker 10>I guess I'm a finder of things, you know, within

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<v Speaker 10>and without, things spiritual and things material. You guys can

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<v Speaker 10>find me on X. You know that that's where I

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<v Speaker 10>found you all. Shaman seven eleven is a screen name

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<v Speaker 10>on platforms, so rumble an X. Other than that, I'm

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<v Speaker 10>really really thrilled and happy to be here looking forward

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<v Speaker 10>to these presentations today.

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<v Speaker 9>Awesome, perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>Today we have two different presentations to go over. We

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<v Speaker 4>have Tyrone and Dave. So, Tyrone, I'm gonna hand it

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<v Speaker 4>over to you if you want to get started on that.

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<v Speaker 6>Think he's muted.

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<v Speaker 9>There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to say thank you for having me as well.

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<v Speaker 9>Well thanks for coming Dave.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, I was trying to bring up this thing. Can

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<v Speaker 6>y'all hear me?

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<v Speaker 9>Yep?

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<v Speaker 6>All right? So yeah, there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Just make sure I'm on the right screen, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So everybody knows who the Ananachy are. Everybody, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what you've studied, h you've heard of the Ananachi,

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<v Speaker 2>which is they are a mysterious group of individuals.

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<v Speaker 6>And this all started because how I grew up.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up in the Catholic Church, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>told there was only one God. But then I would

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<v Speaker 2>go to school and meet different people from different parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the world, and they would tell me about their

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<v Speaker 2>gods and you know, it wouldn't be the same one

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<v Speaker 2>as I had, and so on and so forth. So

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to learn more about it, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't understand why God would, uh, you know, only have.

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<v Speaker 6>One group of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Then of course, when I read the Bible, he does

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<v Speaker 2>have a chosen people, and most people know.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting is that when you hear about the Eloheme,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people equate them to them being many.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Samarians are considered the first civilization because of

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<v Speaker 2>their writing system.

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<v Speaker 6>That's that's not an argument.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know about the roundabout time that most people

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<v Speaker 2>agree with. And the Samarians actually called them the Anna.

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<v Speaker 2>So with one of my favorite sources that has anything

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<v Speaker 2>to do with the Samerians and Nuna slash, the Anaki

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<v Speaker 2>is the literature of ancient sumer which is the book

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<v Speaker 2>on the right hand side, and then the electronic text

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<v Speaker 2>corporates on the Samarian literature on the left side. Now

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<v Speaker 2>there's also individuals like Samuel Noah Kramer, Jacob Sanpatio, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 2>Black and Heiser, and then you have Andrew George, George

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<v Speaker 2>Smith and Irving Finkol. Even but most people know about

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<v Speaker 2>the Ananaki or Slash and Nuna. They they know Zacharai

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<v Speaker 2>Sitzen more than they know about Samuel Noa Kramer, which

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<v Speaker 2>is is kind of funny to me because of the

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<v Speaker 2>simple fact that, uh, Samuel Nol Kramer is actually like

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<v Speaker 2>the go to guy for this.

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<v Speaker 6>Like he's he's you know, respected a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Michael as Heiser, which is funny to me, is uh,

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<v Speaker 2>let me see, Uh, he actually has a website called

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<v Speaker 2>sitchen is Wrong dot com. So he was so pissed

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<v Speaker 2>that Zachari Sitchen was lying about that and Slash and

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<v Speaker 2>Nuna that he made a website literally called.

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<v Speaker 6>Sitchen is wrong dot com. So that tripped me out.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is the thing, even though that tripped me

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<v Speaker 2>out and made me laugh, he actually was able to

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<v Speaker 2>provide sources on why he said he was wrong. So

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm a source kind of a person. Anybody that

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<v Speaker 2>knows me I like this. I like to see where

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<v Speaker 2>you learned it from. I'm not saying you're right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to know where you learned it from.

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<v Speaker 2>And doctor Michael s. Heiser said, everybody has the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to read these texts for themselves and have the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to also, you know, learn what it's actually has said.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, the Cuneiform Digital Library Collection Cuniform Digital Library Initiative,

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<v Speaker 2>which is called the CDLI Collection, is a website you

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<v Speaker 2>can go to where you can actually see the tablets

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself, so you can see what the tablets look like.

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<v Speaker 2>They have multiple pictures and so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's no denying that. Nobody can go take their

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<v Speaker 2>due diligence in their time learning the language and then

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<v Speaker 2>share for themselves.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's that's that's yourself to the person that you

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<v Speaker 2>know is wanting to know the language for themselves to

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<v Speaker 2>prove somebody wrong. Like I said, I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>prove anybody wrong. I just want to know what the

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<v Speaker 2>tablet says. That says that, so that way I can

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<v Speaker 2>see the description for myself because they have descriptions on

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<v Speaker 2>there and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, what is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the reason why those two sources are all those

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<v Speaker 2>sources that I showed you so far are important, is because,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Literature of Ancient Sumor, which is the book,

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<v Speaker 2>these translations of Samarian literature, literature constitute the most comprehensive collection.

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<v Speaker 6>Ever published of the world's earliest literature.

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<v Speaker 2>The composition in this book were mainly inscribed on clay

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<v Speaker 2>tablet dating to the eighteenth century BC, which is eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred to seventeen o one BC. That's what it says

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<v Speaker 2>on the back of the book. I took that straight

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<v Speaker 2>from the back of the book. And then you have

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<v Speaker 2>the electronic text Corpus of Samerian Literature, which is literally

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<v Speaker 2>the online version of the book. So you can get

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<v Speaker 2>the book version or you can get the read the

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<v Speaker 2>free online version that everybody's happened the opportunity to.

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<v Speaker 6>Go online and do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they say anywhere it says and date to the

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<v Speaker 2>late third and early second millennia BCE.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's actually from their website.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me see when you go right here, it tells

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<v Speaker 2>you in that little box right there on the introduction

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<v Speaker 2>on left hand side, so it gives you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their sources Now, like I said, the Samara writing system

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<v Speaker 2>known as cuniform was originally developed around thirty two hundred BC.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I actually took a class and they said that's

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<v Speaker 2>because of the picto graphic script. And most of it

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<v Speaker 2>was to you know, for trade, for records for like

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<v Speaker 2>trading and using grain rate rations and livestocks and tax

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<v Speaker 2>receipts and stuff like that. So it was more for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the idea that it was for trading

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<v Speaker 2>basically agricultural needs. And then it later on became into

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<v Speaker 2>the more you know, uh advanced writing system that they

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<v Speaker 2>have with the cuneiform. But what the Akkadians did is

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<v Speaker 2>they had all that plus the myths and stories of

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<v Speaker 2>their gods and stuff like that. S Marriage really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have any have any stories like that. They had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the picto graphics script what that would.

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<v Speaker 6>Be depicted as their god or whatnot, but they didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>If it's like a story with.

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<v Speaker 2>It, it's It's interesting because the the Samerian word, the

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<v Speaker 2>Samerian word for the Samaran language is eminger, which probably

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<v Speaker 2>means normal language. So they have names what they call

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<v Speaker 2>these these uh the this this language. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a word for it and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's in elect trying to test corpus of Samarian literature.

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<v Speaker 2>And but the problem is is that everybody has their

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<v Speaker 2>different translations. That's why you have different translations of what

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<v Speaker 2>is example as the Epic of Gilgamesh. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people don't really understand that or all that, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can definitely.

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<v Speaker 6>Read, uh, the many.

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<v Speaker 2>Different versions and they say they say that they have

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<v Speaker 2>different versions of it, and it gets more interesting as

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<v Speaker 2>you as you learn about it. Also, but the Samarians

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<v Speaker 2>are usually known as the black headed people. So everybody's wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>where did these people come from? Blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I've learned is that the black headed people

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<v Speaker 2>often meaning all humans mankind in some cases learned. I've

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<v Speaker 2>learned that they were known as brothers. So that gives

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<v Speaker 2>me the idea of the Masons, because the Masons were

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<v Speaker 2>known as brothers to each other sometimes too. And most

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<v Speaker 2>people know that the Samerians were a polytheistic religion, worshiping

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<v Speaker 2>many different gods of the Anuna slash Ananaki. And like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it wasn't until the Akkadians timeframe, or I

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<v Speaker 2>said in the past that the Akkadians are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that actually called them the Ananaki. The Samerians called them

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<v Speaker 2>the Anuna. They and there's not really too much information

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<v Speaker 2>in the Samerian and this is where it gets confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Samerian civilization happened around thirty two hundred BC, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the Akkadians came around twenty three hundred some BC,

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<v Speaker 2>and they took over when Sargon of Aaka came.

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<v Speaker 6>So, but the language itself lasted for a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know that's only a select few.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Ananaki were a group of individuals who are

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<v Speaker 2>consistent too. From what I've read, anywhere from like seven

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<v Speaker 6>And when I.

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<v Speaker 2>and Nuna. That's an and new sign also known as

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<v Speaker 2>So some people say that's supposed to be their depiction

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<v Speaker 2>of the son. Some people say different things. But these

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<v Speaker 2>the different personality, you know, the Elohem and so on

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, and each one of those places had

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, Yeah, the Nena are credited for the creation

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<v Speaker 2>How did these stories about gods come to be? And

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<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth, it's just a way of

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people people will say that

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<v Speaker 2>the Samerians talk about how the Nuna slash Anaki comes

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<v Speaker 2>from a planet Nibirum. Well, there isn't no text that

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<v Speaker 2>says that. There's not one zero text that says that

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<v Speaker 2>they came from Nebru. But there are Babylonian texts that

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how Jupiter could be Neverru and so on

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth, just depending on what text that you read.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's Babylonian, it's not it's not the Samerians. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the ls I asked the question, Yeah, yeah, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Just directly on what you said.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm sorry to interrupt, But so where I'm curious where

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<v Speaker 10>who started inserting this idea of the planet Nibiru Do

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<v Speaker 10>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that yeah, yep, exactly. That comes from such a

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<v Speaker 2>uh his book the Twelfth Planet.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a series called the Earth Chronicles that has

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<v Speaker 2>his seven important books that gives you know, the most

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<v Speaker 6>Slice an Inaki are.

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<v Speaker 2>But he is the he's the he is the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that says they came from planet in neighborhood. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>don't Now this is the thing. I can't say for

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<v Speaker 2>a fact if he's lying or not. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>can say is that he hasn't been able to provide,

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't been able to provide, you know, a source

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<v Speaker 2>for his for for what he claimed.

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<v Speaker 10>That's what I was getting at, and thank you you

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<v Speaker 10>answered it perfectly. Is you know, so many people seem

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<v Speaker 10>whatever it is. So seriously, I think it's important to

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<v Speaker 10>point out, as you were, that so much of this

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't come from what we know of as as sources.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Jesson, you have to take in consideration that when

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<v Speaker 5>these Sitchen books came out, we are writing the heated

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<v Speaker 5>moment of space exploration, right, so we are starting to

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<v Speaker 5>use this powerful rockets to reach space and even the moon.

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<v Speaker 5>And right he wrote that saying that these people, Theannaki,

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<v Speaker 5>had the same technology. Because he described the problem, Tyrone

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<v Speaker 5>said he doesn't provide sources. Well, he provides exactly the

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<v Speaker 5>same sources as the others. The only thing is he

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<v Speaker 5>he interpreted the tablets as he pleased. So the problem

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<v Speaker 5>is when we start seeing people that are really academics

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<v Speaker 5>and they are really understanding the language starting translating it.

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<v Speaker 5>And we compare what the translations of Sitchen where the

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<v Speaker 5>man was on exit. Right, because his translations were like

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<v Speaker 5>a novel, it makes it amazing, right, it's I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's thirty six books, Tyrone. Total, I have the full collection,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think it's a lot of them. Wow, very rude.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there are yeah, I think there are twelve

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<v Speaker 5>or fourteen or something like the main ones. And then

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<v Speaker 5>he explored that around the problem is his translations are

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<v Speaker 5>not accurate, and only before he was about to die,

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<v Speaker 5>just months before, he did a statement saying that all

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<v Speaker 5>he did was invent and he wanted to create an

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<v Speaker 5>epic story, but that was never become public and it's

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<v Speaker 5>hard to find. So sorry, Tyrone, I'm taking your space.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, that's that's exactly right. See, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. I got into this, like I said, because

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<v Speaker 2>of my religious background, and everybody in Sitchen wrote these

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<v Speaker 2>books in his first book in nineteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 6>That was before I was born, So.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had an idea either it was a

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<v Speaker 2>god that you know they tell me in the church,

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<v Speaker 2>or is it's you know, an alien extraterrestrial. But what

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<v Speaker 2>is an alien extraterrestrial? Well, an extra trustier, is anything

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<v Speaker 2>outside of Earth's atmosphere, Right, I got that?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, cool, I'm cool with that.

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<v Speaker 2>That means God is not from this planet, meaning he's

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<v Speaker 2>outside of our Earth's atmosphere, which means he's an extraterrestrial.

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<v Speaker 2>So the argument is is what did he look like

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<v Speaker 2>and why did he create us? That's just my That's

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm thinking as I'm getting older and older and

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<v Speaker 5>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>So it could it be something It could be something

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<v Speaker 2>like this seriously, or it could be like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>was written in a Bible. Because God is not from

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<v Speaker 2>planet Earth, right, he created Earth, right, he created the universe,

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<v Speaker 2>so he had to come from somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 10>And that's why outside of time and space as we

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<v Speaker 10>know it is just would be my throw in there,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, that's where it comes from. But what you

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<v Speaker 10>described is, man, it's perfect. You know. It is a

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<v Speaker 10>step in this process right of searching that we're all

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<v Speaker 10>engaged in, you know, and whether you're trying to find

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<v Speaker 10>it and you know, think of it from the material right,

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<v Speaker 10>which is kind of kind of what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 10>here finding this that is defined as from outside of

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<v Speaker 10>this sphere, right that we live in either way, whether

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<v Speaker 10>you're doing it there or more along the spiritual lines,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, of seeking this this entity that does not

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<v Speaker 10>have flesh and blood, that is outside of the time,

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<v Speaker 10>either way or perfectly valid and wonderful parts of the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Ryan, what do you think about the fact that.

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<v Speaker 10>You've really enjoying this?

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 5>Thirty two hundred BC, right, so we know that the

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<v Speaker 5>Burger Crater was around from four thousand BC to thirty

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<v Speaker 5>six hundred BC, which give them either eight hundred years

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<v Speaker 5>or six hundred years to rebuild civilization. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 5>a highly animistic culture. So they have these names for

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<v Speaker 5>these forces of nature, for the elements, and they know

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<v Speaker 5>that something happened that covered the land with water. We

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<v Speaker 5>had weeks of draining boiling water.

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<v Speaker 1>We have.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten weeks of water flooding the land. We have the

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<v Speaker 5>movement of the seas eradicating everything and forcing them to rebuild.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's easy to understand why they create this

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<v Speaker 5>myths with all these gods fighting among each other, destroying

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<v Speaker 5>the world and recreating man and the fact that have

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<v Speaker 5>powers to that. I think it's easy to understand how they,

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<v Speaker 5>with our own language and in their own culture describe

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<v Speaker 5>this myths. That's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And that's what I'm saying is that I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted I just wanted sources for what it says, like

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<v Speaker 2>where are people getting this from? You know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to read the story completely for myself. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, you to give me the snippet,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because of fair use, right, you can only

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<v Speaker 2>give me a snippet because of fair use, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like I said, one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>sources is the literature of Ancient sumer that's the book

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<v Speaker 2>version of the electronic text Corpus of Samarian literature. But

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<v Speaker 2>what's so interesting about the nuna slash the anonaki is

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<v Speaker 2>that when you go to the back of the book,

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<v Speaker 2>the gigy is a collective name for the great gods, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you look at what a nuna stand for,

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<v Speaker 2>it says a collective name for the gods. But most

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<v Speaker 2>people know that the gigy were the ones that were

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<v Speaker 2>toiling the earth. So now my question is why were

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<v Speaker 2>the great gods toiling the earth? For the regular gods right,

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<v Speaker 2>because a nuna weren't considered the great gods the gig

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<v Speaker 2>or II. I mean, I've heard it said so many

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<v Speaker 6>Uh they they are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a collective name for the great gods. So these

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<v Speaker 2>are great gods. Okay, So who were really the Nuna?

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<v Speaker 2>The Ananaki? And you know, when you read uh Sitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>he has many different versions which I'll get into about

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<v Speaker 2>what Uhaki meant, but it mainly meant princely offspring or

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<v Speaker 2>princely c It didn't mean something like those who came

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<v Speaker 2>from earth heaven to earth or something like that. Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's and and I'll get into that in a second,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's important.

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<v Speaker 6>But when I say that.

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<v Speaker 5>The gig are the contrapart of the odd god in

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<v Speaker 5>Egyptian mythology, because they are also not named, we don't

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, see that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know because I grew up learning that the

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<v Speaker 2>and n you know, were these were the most important gods.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I pick up that book and learn about that,

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to test. Yeah, and I find out that

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're the great gods. So now it just tells me.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are gods that were greater than Ananaki? And

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<v Speaker 2>why were they toiling this earth?

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 5>And what it doesn't mean to toil the earth to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to me, I think it had to do agricultural needs.

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<v Speaker 2>Could because the guys.

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<v Speaker 6>Could be like, are you getting into like terraforming or something?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe, because what does the word mean to them? Not

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and that's where else do we.

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<v Speaker 10>Hear the word toil. We hear the word men toiled

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<v Speaker 10>in the Bible, right, we're cast out of the garden

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<v Speaker 10>to toil, you know, upon the earth.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they were all.

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<v Speaker 10>Human beings, let's just you know, I think, like Hancock

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<v Speaker 10>takes that line, Ricardo's kind of tapping on that line,

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<v Speaker 10>if these were perhaps different variants of different advancement levels

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<v Speaker 10>of human beings, that turns us into an interesting story.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, yeah, it's just to me, it's just it's just

426
00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:25.279
<v Speaker 11>you learn something different every time you pick up, you know,

427
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<v Speaker 11>a version of who the.

428
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<v Speaker 6>And that's why I gave you know.

429
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<v Speaker 2>The earlier when I said, or was it the two

430
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<v Speaker 2>different dates that they give around about for the sources,

431
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.039
<v Speaker 2>these are the same exact sources. So what's in ETCSL

432
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<v Speaker 2>is in the Sumearian is in that book.

433
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<v Speaker 6>It's literally in the book. It's just you can have

434
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<v Speaker 6>a hard copy of it.

435
00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>But they give two different dates on what these you know,

436
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.559
<v Speaker 2>what they put in.

437
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 6>There, but for some reasons it's the same stuff.

438
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<v Speaker 2>So it's just it just makes you think, you know, what,

439
00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:03.519
<v Speaker 2>what you know, why they're moving the gold poles to

440
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>create a better narrative or whatever.

441
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<v Speaker 10>Why why there's certain recent dates aren't they aren't those dates?

442
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.359
<v Speaker 10>You know when we talk like go back like tape, right,

443
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:16.319
<v Speaker 10>that's whatever, nine thousand BC. Seeing two thousand and one

444
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:21.079
<v Speaker 10>thousand BC as sources for stories supposedly about the origins

445
00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 10>or the ancient ones, that just seems recent.

446
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<v Speaker 2>When I said this, yeah, and that's why, And I'm

447
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.119
<v Speaker 2>glad you brought that up, because on go back to the

448
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<v Speaker 2>Tepe on the pillars, they have what's picked up what

449
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.480
<v Speaker 2>are known as picto grass. Well, language started off by

450
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.400
<v Speaker 2>picto grass. Just because we don't understand what those pillars

451
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.759
<v Speaker 2>are saying doesn't mean that there's not a language or

452
00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:41.160
<v Speaker 2>or a story behind it.

453
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<v Speaker 6>We just don't understand it yet.

454
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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe somebody does and nobody just doesn't want

455
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<v Speaker 2>to say that that person's correct.

456
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<v Speaker 10>So there's a reason they're not excavating any Yeah, yeah,

457
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.880
<v Speaker 10>more man, they saw the first of the story and

458
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<v Speaker 10>they went, oh shit, we know where this goes.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Don't let them read it.

460
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<v Speaker 5>You know something that it's a matter of interpretation. When

461
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<v Speaker 5>you look at the kipo, that the language of the

462
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:10.119
<v Speaker 5>Pacific that is just nuts aligned with perpendicular other lines

463
00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.839
<v Speaker 5>that have not seen them. How on earth did an

464
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<v Speaker 5>academic look at that and thought, oh, this is the

465
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:19.680
<v Speaker 5>language right? It's it's extremely fortunate. So we might be

466
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<v Speaker 5>missing a lot by just looking at art rock art

467
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<v Speaker 5>or to picturegram and not realizing the whole story behind it.

468
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:34.440
<v Speaker 5>It just might be a minmonic to a complete well story.

469
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<v Speaker 10>One thing you're not going to do is what like

470
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<v Speaker 10>just we're covering here, is you're not going to try

471
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<v Speaker 10>to communicate to the ages through through written text. You know,

472
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.799
<v Speaker 10>if you know about age is an epos, You're going

473
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<v Speaker 10>to try to communicate to the next one through what

474
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.200
<v Speaker 10>you just said, pictographs, right, and then stone.

475
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.519
<v Speaker 5>An oral tradition that the company is it. We don't

476
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 5>need to write it because you keep it alive. Just today.

477
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.480
<v Speaker 5>We don't have time to keep history alive. We need

478
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 5>podcasts because then people will together and share stories constantly

479
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.519
<v Speaker 5>because they have nothing else to do, right.

480
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:10.799
<v Speaker 6>And you know, and and and that's that's that's it.

481
00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I said that, these stories were told just like

482
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.039
<v Speaker 2>how TV and podcasting is to entertained people today, you

483
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

484
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 5>And good TV and podcasting because there was no bullshit.

485
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:25.200
<v Speaker 5>Everything was useful. There is a teaching behind everything. There

486
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 5>was a moral story, There is a teaching correct.

487
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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think I think storyteller is probably our oldest

488
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<v Speaker 10>role next to shaman as human beings, you know, and

489
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<v Speaker 10>probably our most sacred. That's it's just been my belief

490
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 10>for a long time, the telling stories. Like you say,

491
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 10>that's how we first did this thing you know that

492
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:48.079
<v Speaker 10>we're doing now with all this technology. So yeah, storytellers

493
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 10>for a long time for sure.

494
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

495
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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I say, you know, you uh, you know,

496
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<v Speaker 2>I just want to see where this person learned it from,

497
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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want somebody to add to the story

498
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 2>or that that doesn't need to be there, because then

499
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that just throws me in a loop.

500
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 6>You know.

501
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>If I if you say something that's interesting, I'm going

502
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 2>to be like, oh, let me read where you got

503
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 2>that from, because I want to read that story of myself.

504
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 2>And you just say, hey, go do your own research,

505
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what you're talking to their own personal.

506
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 6>Research?

507
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 5>But to you all, would you believe today, as it

508
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 5>was believed then in the seventies, that the rays of

509
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:28.000
<v Speaker 5>alien beings that coming from a planet is circling thirty

510
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 5>sex hundred rotation cycle of coming in rockets? Would we

511
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 5>believe it today that we can do interstellars travel with

512
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 5>rockets with something that runs out, It doesn't work if

513
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.839
<v Speaker 5>you're coming from out space. You're not coming from fuel rockets, right,

514
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.680
<v Speaker 5>That's that's primitive technology.

515
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, that's that's I say that too because

516
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 2>they say that there are these four hundred and fifty

517
00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.720
<v Speaker 2>they came here four hundred and fifty thousand years ago.

518
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's what a lot of people believe because

519
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>at the.

520
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.720
<v Speaker 5>Time, rockets were the most advanced thing that we had,

521
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 5>right right.

522
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, or that we knew about collectively.

523
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>But see, this is and this is and this is

524
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.200
<v Speaker 2>why it gets interesting to me because you know, we

525
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, they do have a god that's known as

526
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the Sky Father, and he's a new so some people believe,

527
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he is known as the sky guy,

528
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>got that he came from the sky. Well, a lot

529
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>of times if you look at a lot of these

530
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 2>ancient sites that had their gods or anything that was

531
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.279
<v Speaker 2>in around, they were usually on a higher land than.

532
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:37.559
<v Speaker 6>The people below.

533
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh uh it's almost like, yeah, they just they had

534
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>to show that they were on a higher status and

535
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>that's how they did it.

536
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.160
<v Speaker 6>And that's why a lot of.

537
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Times some people like think of it like Mount Olympus

538
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.559
<v Speaker 2>or something like that from the Greeks and stuff like that.

539
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's a good example mountains where they're at.

540
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.759
<v Speaker 6>But each god had their own thing.

541
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, there was many different Nuna slash and

542
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 2>the Naka guys, but they're not all from the Sumerian.

543
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Some of them was added later on, like mar Duke

544
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 2>was later added on through uh the Babylonian time frame.

545
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 6>Later timeframe.

546
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.039
<v Speaker 1>So where did Tat come from?

547
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, yeah, numa Elish exactly. So that's a

548
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 2>good point. So the numa Elish is where h is

549
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 2>basically the most descriptive creation story out there, and it

550
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:40.279
<v Speaker 2>tells you how the gods were created, how the universe

551
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>was created, how Earth and so on and so forth

552
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.359
<v Speaker 2>was created and stuff like that. And this is numa

553
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Elish was told during the a Keto festival, So I

554
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>forgot I had that on the slide.

555
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 6>This the Keto festival.

556
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>So the Keito festival was celebrated at the Samerian timeframe.

557
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>But the enuma Elish came about later on when during

558
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 2>the Babylonian high frame, which is basically just the whole creation.

559
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.759
<v Speaker 2>It's called the Seventh Tablets of Creation, or there's different way,

560
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 2>different names for it, of course, but most people just

561
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>know it as the numa Elish, And that's where you

562
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.559
<v Speaker 2>get most of all the creation story about everything, and

563
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>that's that's not that's okay. So that's where a lot

564
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 2>of people say, well, the Samarians talk about Nibru and

565
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>being a planet and stuff like that. No, that was

566
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>the Babylonians. Sometimes Jupiter was known as Nibru, and it

567
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>was only for them to describe their gods, no difference

568
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 2>than how the Greeks described their gods.

569
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 6>On planets and stuff like that.

570
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Now what's very interesting is remember when I was saying

571
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that where that zach Riich session says that they came

572
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>from planets Nibbru thirty six hundred years ago blah blah

573
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.279
<v Speaker 2>blah blah, or every thirty six hundred years the orbits

574
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 2>our planet or the Sun or whatnot, blah blah blah. Well,

575
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.079
<v Speaker 2>when he passed away, his niece published this book called

576
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 2>the In and Aki Chronicles, and it includes never before

577
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>published writings which you can see right here, right so

578
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>right here, he says the Hebrew original named them nephelim.

579
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.519
<v Speaker 2>The teacher explained that it meant giants, but I objected, didn't

580
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>it mean literally those who were cast down who had

581
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>descended to Earth. That's where you get one of the descriptions. Now,

582
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>he talked about that before, about as many things, but

583
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>this is where he writes it. He has another version, okay,

584
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>in the same book he literally wrote those who came

585
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 2>or descended to Earth. That's another one, right, So you're

586
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna you know, no different versions because of that. Then

587
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 2>he has a third one, those who from Heaven to

588
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Earth came, and it said the exact meaning of the

589
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew term nephelim that the Bible used. Well, if you

590
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>go to the Strong concordance fifty three or Old three,

591
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 2>nephilim literally means just fall.

592
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 6>Okay, the word origin fall.

593
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't mean that they fell from heaven or

594
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, they you know, felled and hurt themselves. They

595
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 2>fell out of being righteous people, I guess, or I

596
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It could be anything, right, It just means

597
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>fall and put your interpretation in there.

598
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 10>Well, it sounds like he's pulling from the Book of

599
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:12.440
<v Speaker 10>Enoch a lot.

600
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing.

601
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 10>Sounds like he's pulling from knock a lot.

602
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 5>He was very well learned. It was very well learned. Yeah,

603
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 5>poor translation.

604
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, he's not a bad person to learn from.

605
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I really disagree with him on is

606
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there's no planet never that orbits our

607
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.279
<v Speaker 2>son every thirty six hundred years. I'll make it very clear.

608
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>I believe there's extra trrestials. I believe there's aliens. If

609
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>they say scientifically that there's a billion planets and a

610
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 2>billion galaxies and so on and so forth and these

611
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 2>if they say one percent, one percent doesn't mean one thing.

612
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 6>It means a multiple of things. But it could just

613
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.200
<v Speaker 6>be a small amount.

614
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>So there has to be at least two or three

615
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 2>other habital planets like us, and they could be something

616
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 2>that is more advanced than us. Who knows, but he

617
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>gives three different meanings of what he means. What what

618
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 2>nephilom in all this means? You know, and you can't

619
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>do confusing.

620
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 10>All this higher lower, you know, that's what we do

621
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 10>when we're talking. Look my experience, he said, you believe

622
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.839
<v Speaker 10>because of all the numbers out here in nature, right,

623
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:22.039
<v Speaker 10>the numbers of planets, I believe there's something else because

624
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 10>of personal experience, right, you know, day and night time,

625
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 10>there are things that can be part of this material universe.

626
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 10>I can confirm that that can do things that we

627
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 10>don't think are possible. While they're in this material universe.

628
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 10>They can also bleep out and be gone. Right, So

629
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.359
<v Speaker 10>my experience tells me to look at it dimensionally, right,

630
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 10>which we're all learning. Ricardo tapped on too. They're not

631
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.519
<v Speaker 10>coming here with rockets, but there's certainly you know, coming

632
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.160
<v Speaker 10>here in some shape or form.

633
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.559
<v Speaker 5>What will work here already or made us one.

634
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.599
<v Speaker 10>Well, that's the thing, you know, stay here, you can

635
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 10>you can extrapolate. Man, Whenever I talk on this, you know,

636
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<v Speaker 10>and I say my experience, I try to just present

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<v Speaker 10>it as such, right, just the basic kernel that I

638
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<v Speaker 10>got from the experience, right, And then how you apply that,

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<v Speaker 10>You know, how when I apply it is up to

640
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<v Speaker 10>is up to you, just like when we read and

641
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 10>hear this stuff, you know how we interpret it.

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<v Speaker 5>When we first start looking at the human frequencies and

643
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<v Speaker 5>how they relate to the Earth and so on. The

644
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<v Speaker 5>first reports from science that are now completely removed word

645
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<v Speaker 5>that our frequency was tuned exactly to the frequency of

646
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<v Speaker 5>Mars and not of the Earth. And that's circulated for

647
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<v Speaker 5>about six seven years and then it vanished. And now

648
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<v Speaker 5>if you look, they'll tell you that we are completely

649
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<v Speaker 5>tuned to the frequency of the Earth, to the human frequency.

650
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<v Speaker 5>But the initial tell from science was it was from Mars. Right,

651
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<v Speaker 5>So perhaps we are the aliens and we see that

652
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<v Speaker 5>Mars was completely devastated, right, So how you got here?

653
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<v Speaker 2>M I mean people say that that that there's enough

654
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<v Speaker 2>evidence that people say that that possibly happened, because what

655
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<v Speaker 2>is what is actually evidence? Well, evidence is just something

656
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<v Speaker 2>that you can prove that. I give an example of

657
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<v Speaker 2>what evidence can do to somebody. There are people right

658
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<v Speaker 2>now in the United States prison system who's in prison

659
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<v Speaker 2>for a crime they haven't done, but there was enough

660
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<v Speaker 2>evidence to prosecute them and put them in prison. Right,

661
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.320
<v Speaker 2>So if they can make a mistake like that, then

662
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, what is really evidence? So doron'ing

663
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<v Speaker 2>that word evidence out there doesn't mean a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>some people out there.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that because I know about the judicial system.

666
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<v Speaker 9>It's more interpretation of the evidence exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>If one direction or another, then you're going to get

668
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<v Speaker 3>the conclusion that you're seeking.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, you know that's what I've said every time.

670
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<v Speaker 2>Narrative narrative narratives at every single time.

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<v Speaker 6>That's how you want to.

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<v Speaker 5>The problem comes from lower still, because the problem is

673
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<v Speaker 5>the foundations of our science and interpretation of past history.

674
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<v Speaker 5>And we build upon those foundations and we follow that

675
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<v Speaker 5>that line, and so it doesn't allow to create something

676
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<v Speaker 5>that is completely different because we are building from a

677
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<v Speaker 5>system that was that serves as a base. That's why,

678
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<v Speaker 5>for instance, astrophysics is failing dramatically to what they are

679
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<v Speaker 5>finding with the new Sensus, because it doesn't fill on

680
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<v Speaker 5>the foundations that then grows and builds the city into

681
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<v Speaker 5>the science that we use to interpret the universe, and

682
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.119
<v Speaker 5>yet it fails completely. And in terms of history, we

683
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<v Speaker 5>are also using evidence, but that evidence is only evidence

684
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<v Speaker 5>because it fits with the foundation that we build to

685
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<v Speaker 5>understand that same history. This is a bit complicated, and

686
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<v Speaker 5>probably I'm being very confusing, but I hope you understood

687
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<v Speaker 5>what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I hear you. No, Yeah, I do too, And yeah, exactly.

689
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<v Speaker 10>It creates a problem, man. The narrative blindness just takes effect,

690
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 10>rolls on and on and on down the line.

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<v Speaker 5>If you learn as a child, that's white's blue, right

692
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.159
<v Speaker 5>you you ever say that he's blue, and yet it

693
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<v Speaker 5>is white. So who's to say who's right. It's all

694
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<v Speaker 5>a matter of interpretation.

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<v Speaker 10>You might have to go through the process of near

696
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<v Speaker 10>insanity sorting out that, in fact, that is white for yourself. Yes,

697
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<v Speaker 10>the conundrum of the modern world. Welcome to it, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And and that brings me to this point right here

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<v Speaker 6>on narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>So Zacharai Sitchin, he has on the bottom right hand corner,

701
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<v Speaker 2>he has this cylinder seal. This cylinder seal v A

702
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<v Speaker 2>two forty three is usually where you see the arrows,

703
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<v Speaker 2>as usually where he says that, you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>planet Neibreu out.

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<v Speaker 6>There, right and because of these these these dots out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what's interesting is that the Samarian. This is not Sumerian.

707
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<v Speaker 2>First of all, this is a Kadian. So, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the Samerians never really talked about a planet Nebrus. So

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<v Speaker 2>even if this does, let's just say, for for for

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00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 2>argument sake, that Zacharai Sitchen was right, that this depicts

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00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>uh Nibiru, right, that orbitar son every thirty six hundred years.

712
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<v Speaker 6>Okay, we'll go and I'll get back to that.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was talked about doctor Michael as Heiser earlier

714
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<v Speaker 2>and his website, Sitchen is wrong. This is actually a

715
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<v Speaker 2>screenshot from his website. They're both passed away as doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Michael as Heiser passed away, I think a couple of

717
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<v Speaker 2>years ago now, so his website might not be up

718
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<v Speaker 2>too much longer.

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<v Speaker 6>It just depends if he had a new state to

720
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<v Speaker 6>keep it up.

721
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 2>But I took a screenshot and he literally gives you

722
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<v Speaker 2>the translation of what that cylinder seal that Zachari Sitchen

723
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<v Speaker 2>was holding up.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.559
<v Speaker 2>You can see in the red where it says line one.

726
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Line one is on both left and the right side,

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00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and it says dube siga or Dube saiga. I'm not

728
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<v Speaker 2>sure exactly how to say that, but it just basically

729
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>means a personal name of an apparently powerful person. Then

730
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<v Speaker 2>line two is where the blue is at, and that

731
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 2>write their inscription just says iliat and it's just another name,

732
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.760
<v Speaker 2>personal name this time of the seal's owner. Now what

733
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<v Speaker 2>I always tell people when they say yeah, First of all,

734
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people don't know about selling their seal

735
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<v Speaker 2>VA two forty three. But the ones that do know

736
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<v Speaker 2>about it, they don't know what the translation says. And

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<v Speaker 2>I usually tell them, I said, selling their seal Va

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<v Speaker 2>two forty three has more to do with German than

739
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<v Speaker 2>it does with planet Nbru because line three is literally

740
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<v Speaker 2>in German and it is dinect, which is basically German

741
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 2>for your servant. So I don't know exactly how this

742
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.119
<v Speaker 2>man got to it. He explains it in there further off,

743
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, more into you know, into.

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00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 6>This website that he has.

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00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand it well enough to explain it

746
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 2>to you, But I just know that he just was

747
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 2>able to basically say in so many words that selling

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<v Speaker 2>their seal v A two forty three has more to

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00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.440
<v Speaker 2>do with German than Planet Nibru because nothing, do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, It's like one represents any of the kings from

751
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<v Speaker 5>the list.

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<v Speaker 6>When I look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh No, but line two does to me, And that's

754
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<v Speaker 2>the one that looks like Andrew and Anaki.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh the star.

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<v Speaker 5>So line one would be a god, line two would

757
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<v Speaker 5>be the king, and line three say he's saying that

758
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<v Speaker 5>he's a servant to the God.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, basically.

760
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<v Speaker 5>Basically yeah, like any yeroglyphs.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is the cylinder seal right here. Like I said,

762
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<v Speaker 2>you can see that has the inscriptions. He just says that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know right there. But doctor Michael s. Heizery goes

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<v Speaker 2>more into the plates and stuff like that. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not here to talk about plates because that that's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole that takes up too much time to even try

767
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to bring that up. But I can say personally, just

768
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<v Speaker 2>because I learned this from him from his website, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree with him on the plates thing either.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm also not a translator.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand how he came up with plates,

772
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 2>So I'm still looking into it.

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<v Speaker 5>Is it to do with the with the funny thing

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<v Speaker 5>between the two figures on the right.

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00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know that the horns represent gods and goddesses,

776
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 2>so I know those two that have what those look

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<v Speaker 2>like horns.

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<v Speaker 6>Those are that's a god and goddess.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean like the it looks like a branch between

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<v Speaker 5>the two figures that divides in three on the top.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that what he considers the play it is?

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00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:33.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah? Yeah, the stars you see where the arrow is at.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I mean on the other side, the other one,

784
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 8>the staff in the middle between the two dudes.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, the staff. A you're talking about the staff?

786
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that's what you getting the play it is.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's the that's three points at the top.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I never looked at that, so that that's

789
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:56.760
<v Speaker 2>actually interesting. Yeah, I ain't never looked at that.

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<v Speaker 6>M Well, it also looks like like an eleft call

791
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<v Speaker 6>or something.

792
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I'm serious, Like, but see that That's what

793
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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, is that doctor Michael. Yeah, it's just interesting

794
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 2>to me because doctor Michael Heizer literally gives you a

795
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<v Speaker 2>reason on why it's not having to do anything with

796
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<v Speaker 2>Planet Never.

797
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.800
<v Speaker 6>So now I'm now I'm up in the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, Okay, where did you know Zachari Sitch and say

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<v Speaker 2>that this planet Never because this is the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>that he really gives you a certain idea.

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<v Speaker 5>For because at the time there was already a series

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<v Speaker 5>of planet X. Because yeah, because even the guy that

803
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<v Speaker 5>discovered Neptune, I can't remember his name. He discovered Neptune

804
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.239
<v Speaker 5>just by a mathematical equation, and then he gave the

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<v Speaker 5>card roots to an astronomer that looked at the telescope

806
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 5>and found the planet. Right that that's how amazing these

807
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 5>people could be back then, uh, and through the when

808
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<v Speaker 5>they summon all the mathematics of the gravity, they found

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<v Speaker 5>that they couldn't explain certain of the movements without existing

810
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<v Speaker 5>a tent planet that now it's the ninth because we

811
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<v Speaker 5>eliminated Pluto. So and if you look into the news

812
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 5>on that now they are more than sure that there

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<v Speaker 5>resists some object that is probably small and dense orbiting

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<v Speaker 5>the outer terms of the Solar System, and they're actively

815
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 5>looking for planet nine that was at the time planet ten.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's how maybe sorry, that's how Sitchen at the

817
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.280
<v Speaker 5>time decided it, Well, this is the planet. Let's create

818
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 5>a timeframe that they don't know. It's much more than

819
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<v Speaker 5>thirty six thousand years, much more than that according to

820
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 5>all sources in astrophysics. But it just made because that's

821
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 5>what the series of the time were that they exists

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<v Speaker 5>this planet around the Solar System that could even dive

823
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 5>closer to the Sun. So it just added one and

824
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 5>one from his perspective and created that tail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that and that, and that's that's why I said,

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00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 2>like you know, in his books, he doesn't actually give

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<v Speaker 2>you sources. He throws out names like that numa elis

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<v Speaker 2>the epic of Gyoga mass Uh Therasis. Uh. He throws

829
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.599
<v Speaker 2>those names out, But when you actually read those sources,

830
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<v Speaker 2>you don't. Actually, I don't actually get the sense of it.

831
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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I challenge people to read it and

832
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<v Speaker 2>really read it and understand it, because it doesn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I remember when I said that the gods

834
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<v Speaker 2>were on top of the mountains, are on higher ground,

835
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<v Speaker 2>Like this is a replica of Nibru or what would

836
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<v Speaker 2>be which is now known as Nipper. It's in Iraq.

837
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<v Speaker 2>It's a real place in Iraq. Nibru is a real

838
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 2>place in Iraq. It just wasn't a planet, or at

839
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 2>least I haven't found evidence. And I'll get into that

840
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 2>in a second. But this is just basically a replica

841
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:50.599
<v Speaker 2>of how they would be. They will be on top

842
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 2>of the hill, higher than everybody else and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 6>But now this is what's interesting.

844
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<v Speaker 10>Now.

845
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<v Speaker 6>Like I said, I believe in extra trustrial the inside

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<v Speaker 6>of a planet.

847
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>I believe in all that stuff. What's what I wanted

848
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>to know was where the Nuna slash Ananaki came from.

849
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So this is the Oxford Handbook of Cuniform Culture. So

850
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 2>e t CSL in that book that I mentioned earlier,

851
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the literature of ancient sumer that that's from all from Oxford. Also,

852
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:26.079
<v Speaker 2>this is just the Cuneiform culture of it. And when

853
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I bought this book, I learned that it says right here,

854
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>it literally says, according to Mesopotamian tradition, these big fish

855
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>are the companies of the god of wisdom Inky slash Ea,

856
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 2>who dwells in the deaths of the sea. They regularly

857
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>emerged from the sea in order to teach mankind the

858
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.760
<v Speaker 2>cornerstone and civilizations such as agriculture, kingship, justice, and writing.

859
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Before the flood ended their coexistence. This is where they

860
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 2>supposedly came from, is the deaths of the sea.

861
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 1>And there that sounds.

862
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.960
<v Speaker 10>Nicely like survivors of an apocalypse or you know, if

863
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 10>look think if they whatever term you use, these dudes

864
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:05.239
<v Speaker 10>knew it was coming.

865
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 1>What would they start doing.

866
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 10>They start going out from the sea in boats and

867
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 10>start trying to teach everybody the ship, you know, and

868
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 10>then boom it this is great man, keep going. Sorry,

869
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 10>I'm excited. That's exactly what my mind hears. Though, as

870
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:19.920
<v Speaker 10>soon as you read that, and.

871
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 5>What metology we have saying exactly what is in this text? Well,

872
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 5>don't go all around them.

873
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 10>That's what world South America, Asia, everywhere.

874
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 6>And I'm going to get into that in just a second.

875
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 6>You see, you catch it on.

876
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 2>See the puzzle pieces are making more sense when there's

877
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.559
<v Speaker 2>actual facts being brought to the table. Now, this is

878
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.920
<v Speaker 2>why I said this is important because remember what I'm done.

879
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Picto grass and what was it? Uh? Picto graphs are

880
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 2>like emojis almost, so you could tell a story in

881
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.000
<v Speaker 2>mojis like how you would with anything else. So if

882
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.320
<v Speaker 2>you look at the if you look at ink, he's

883
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:00.920
<v Speaker 2>known as.

884
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 6>A fish god. Where there are many different fish gods

885
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 6>out there.

886
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Right, if you look at all the major uh mythologies,

887
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 2>all the gods seen to came from some type of water.

888
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And if you believe in some type of aliens, you

889
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>believe in us os. Right, the ones that come from

890
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 2>from the from the water instead. But my point is

891
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.800
<v Speaker 2>is that the text actually says that that they came

892
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 2>from the depths of the sea, and their depictions showed

893
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>them as fish gods. Now there are depictions later on

894
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 2>during the Babylonian time frame that they were depicted with

895
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.800
<v Speaker 2>like what was some people look like angels, but that

896
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 2>was later on that the you know, the beginning depictions

897
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.679
<v Speaker 2>was them fish gods, which just makes it's just interesting

898
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.360
<v Speaker 2>to me because everybody says, we don't know where the

899
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.280
<v Speaker 2>anonarchy from. Some people will argue that they came from

900
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.039
<v Speaker 2>planet Neburu, and some people will say they don't know where.

901
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>There's actually a book out there that gives you the

902
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 2>reason why they say they came from the depths of

903
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the sea and they give you, you know, the depictions

904
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:04.239
<v Speaker 2>of the gods and breaks it down for you. So

905
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and it may just makes sense since you know they

906
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 2>were big fish gods.

907
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 5>If then you remember, if you remember sons.

908
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 10>Well angel, you mentioned angel in these fish gods, Dude,

909
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.239
<v Speaker 10>they either came from the sky or they came from

910
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 10>the water, right we or ufo. But if it came

911
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.239
<v Speaker 10>from the water, they did way back when primitive man

912
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 10>would have called it fish. Right. If it came from

913
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 10>the air, primitive man would have given it wings and

914
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 10>called it angel.

915
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was just thinking about what sonces of Say

916
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 5>said to Sol and the Elder that there were many

917
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 5>cases of catastrophes in the world, and they described them

918
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:47.400
<v Speaker 5>as ecpirosis. Ecpyrosis that is destruction by fire and cataclysmus

919
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 5>there is destruction by water. So when in this case

920
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.880
<v Speaker 5>we're clearly at a time when we know there was

921
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.960
<v Speaker 5>a cataclysm by water and around eight hundreds of years

922
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 5>before this or a thousand years or six hundred year,

923
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't matter. So if the land is devastated, all

924
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 5>the animals die, the only animals that survive are fish.

925
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:13.159
<v Speaker 5>So life comes only from the water, right, So I

926
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 5>think that the focus comes a lot from there, and

927
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.440
<v Speaker 5>then it's mixed with the ancient traditions and the ancient tales,

928
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.639
<v Speaker 5>and it's reconfigurated to the present reality.

929
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 6>Right on, right on, And this is where it brings up.

930
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.280
<v Speaker 2>The point is that when you read anything about the

931
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Nuna slash the Ananaki from the Mesopotamians, they always have

932
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.079
<v Speaker 2>the word ab zoo in there, which is literally meaning

933
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.920
<v Speaker 2>ab means ocean and zoo means to know.

934
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 6>So it was the name for fresh.

935
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Water from underground aquifers that was given a religious quality

936
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:57.039
<v Speaker 2>in Samarian and Akkadian mythology, like springs, lakes, rivers, wells.

937
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 6>And other sources of the freshwater. But you know.

938
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Fresh Yeah, that's what I'm saying is that it water

939
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.199
<v Speaker 2>plays a potentially major party in in in in this

940
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:16.880
<v Speaker 2>So the nanaki like like like Jason was saying earlier,

941
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 2>they could they could have came from the skies, or

942
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:20.840
<v Speaker 2>they could have came from the deaths of the sea.

943
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 2>But the evidence is shown they came from the deaths

944
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of the sea. So why are people really arguing we

945
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 2>know more about They say, we know more about our

946
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.360
<v Speaker 2>space than we know about our own oceans.

947
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 6>Why is that?

948
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 10>You know?

949
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 2>So just just to me, just knowing the fact that

950
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.119
<v Speaker 2>the evidence is still pointing to the water rather than

951
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>something something outside of Earth's atmosphere.

952
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

953
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Here's some here's uh uh from the from the book

954
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>from the It's called title the Song of the Hoe

955
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's literally literally when I was talking about, you know,

956
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the the agriculture just follows under their their agricultural stuff.

957
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.639
<v Speaker 2>It says and they'll separate from the Earth and linkage.

958
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.320
<v Speaker 2>The two had Duranki, the sacred term for nibbrels, so

959
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 2>they had it could be duranchi, which had h. It's

960
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>spelled different say, people say differently, but this word is

961
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a sacred term for nibrol. So this is a sacred

962
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:22.119
<v Speaker 2>term that is given for nibrial. And you know that

963
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>that word right there is not found about any type

964
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 2>of planet orbiting your son neither. And then this is

965
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 2>also from the book too, where it says, yeah, it.

966
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.159
<v Speaker 10>Sounds more like it's it's defining a space, not a

967
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 10>physical thing.

968
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:40.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's just yeah. Because a good example.

969
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 10>It sounds like it's a space you know between.

970
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, yeah, And I give a good example of

971
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:51.400
<v Speaker 2>that when when people when astronauts trained for space, they

972
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 2>trained in what water? Right, So it's just how it's

973
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.079
<v Speaker 2>how do you think about it? How do you play

974
00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>it in an understanding? So what does the sources at

975
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.719
<v Speaker 2>actually say? But it does say here you Unusually, the

976
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 2>beginning of this narrative attempts to normalize the setting, location,

977
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and actors. Everything is just ordinary, and unlike many other

978
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 2>mythical narratives, it takes place in the city of Nibru,

979
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 2>a real known location. So they know that Nibru slash

980
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Nibru is a location. A Nibru is an Akadian term,

981
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 2>just like an Anaki is a Kadian term. Nebrew n

982
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.559
<v Speaker 2>i b r U is the Samerian. So that's why

983
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 2>they're using the words Samarians here or so using the

984
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 2>word Nebru here.

985
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:33.719
<v Speaker 6>But they know that it's a location that's in there.

986
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>And I'll get more into Nibru because you know, another

987
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.360
<v Speaker 2>one is and Nibrutulu literally means man from the city

988
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 2>of Nibru. So it's it's telling you you know that

989
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 2>there's a group of individuals, right that's there. And then

990
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>they give my neighbru war where black birch trees grow

991
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:54.679
<v Speaker 2>in a good place. So they give you a discription

992
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 2>what grew in Nebru, right, and trees grew in there,

993
00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 2>certain types of trees. U.

994
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 6>There was the city.

995
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 2>There was a city, the one we live in. Nibrew

996
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.440
<v Speaker 2>was the city one we live in, right, and then

997
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 2>they give you different cities that are different different places,

998
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 2>uh that that was lived in. But they Nibrew was

999
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a location on planet Earth. Everybody knows that so far,

1000
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>and then it says in the shrine of Nebru, Inky

1001
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 2>provided a meal for in Thel. So this is interesting

1002
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>because most people think or know that in Thel and

1003
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Inky are brothers. But here it says, in the shrine

1004
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 2>of Nebrew, Inky provided a meal for his father in

1005
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 2>there for in the his father.

1006
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 5>That you just showed us. What's that could be the

1007
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.360
<v Speaker 5>seal Inky provided the meal for rely could be the seal,

1008
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.480
<v Speaker 5>the scene in the seal, Oh.

1009
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.960
<v Speaker 6>Yes, and then the self. Uh see. I don't know,

1010
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.719
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I don't I don't know how they how

1011
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 6>they would translate that.

1012
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 2>I've seen it translated different ways, and I just know

1013
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.880
<v Speaker 2>what Michael Heuser says on the cuneiform. But it's that

1014
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 2>what the picture depicts. I couldn't tell you. But I

1015
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 2>mean that's a good question. I mean how I mean,

1016
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:17.079
<v Speaker 2>like I said, the horns always depicted, uh a god

1017
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:20.800
<v Speaker 2>or a goddess, just like how Moses was depicted with

1018
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 2>fireface or horns and stuff represented that in some in

1019
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:29.880
<v Speaker 2>some way. So here it says in the back of

1020
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 2>the brook about Nibborhood, an important city and cult center

1021
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.039
<v Speaker 2>in the north of Summer where the large majority of

1022
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 2>the manuscripts for the Samerian literature have been found. But

1023
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people would say, you know, you know,

1024
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and they named their city Nibrew if they came from

1025
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:50.760
<v Speaker 2>planet uh Nibru. And I was just thinking, you know, well,

1026
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>the oldest city and in some in the Sumerian cities

1027
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>is the air Du right, which is usually known as

1028
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the oldest summer city, so old than uh Nebro.

1029
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 6>So it just that does that part.

1030
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:08.719
<v Speaker 2>That's not a good argument when people say, well, when

1031
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 2>they name their city, when they named you know, when

1032
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Nibrew will be the oldest city first, you know, instead

1033
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:14.760
<v Speaker 2>of arad So.

1034
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 6>And like I said, I've already talked about it.

1035
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.679
<v Speaker 2>How you know these you know, everybody knows that Ananaki

1036
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.760
<v Speaker 2>there from the Babylonians, hits Tight, Samarians, Assyrians.

1037
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 6>And so on and so forth.

1038
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.639
<v Speaker 2>But this is a little thing that I put together slowly.

1039
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Still I'm still slowly putting it together. But uh these

1040
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 2>are like the gods from the Adanaki that are related

1041
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:43.079
<v Speaker 2>to the Egyptians, the Greek, the Messo Americans, the biblical gods,

1042
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Speaker 2>some of them Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, Romans, the Celtics.

1043
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:49.800
<v Speaker 6>The Yoruba, t know and the dog go On. So

1044
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 6>when uh uh.

1045
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh Ricardo was talking about the dog On tribe earlier,

1046
00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the dog go One tribe were actually the first people

1047
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.239
<v Speaker 2>who inhabited the land of Egypt. There's supposed to have

1048
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:06.159
<v Speaker 2>been the group that was there first or longer, and

1049
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.239
<v Speaker 2>then they got pushed away through and you know, the

1050
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Islamic takeover and stuff. But their gods and I actually

1051
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.239
<v Speaker 2>had and so did Mike and Dave. They had the

1052
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 2>luxury to talk to Lars Gratton, who wrote the book

1053
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 2>dog On the Science of the dog On, so we

1054
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 2>both got to talk to him. I'm trying to hook

1055
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Nick up with him now, but he talks about the

1056
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>dog On trib a lot and the dog On tribes

1057
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:33.159
<v Speaker 2>soon to have an older pictographic or writing system than

1058
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the Samerians, and a lot of people don't know that,

1059
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 2>but that's what you know is arguing among out.

1060
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 6>There through the scholars.

1061
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 2>So the dog On trivers are very important people. But

1062
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I just try to put this little list together. I

1063
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:48.760
<v Speaker 2>know we got to go on to Dave in a

1064
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit and on his presentation, but I wanted to

1065
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.679
<v Speaker 2>bring up metallurgy.

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00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 6>A lot of people are wondering what is the what

1067
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 6>was the fruit of knowledge. That that that that was

1068
00:56:58.360 --> 00:56:59.920
<v Speaker 6>so for ridden. Yeah.

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00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>So Anton Parks wrote this book Eden, and he actually

1070
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.599
<v Speaker 2>gives his cuneiform tablet identifiers of where you can find

1071
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 2>what the cuneiform tablets say for themselves. So if you

1072
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>want to challenge him, you can learn the language yourself

1073
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 2>and translated it and say how wrong he is and

1074
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 2>why he's wrong. But until then you can only go

1075
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:21.760
<v Speaker 2>off of what he provided. And he says in his book,

1076
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.480
<v Speaker 2>he compares this to the New American Standard Bible. He says,

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00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Cuneiform tablet identifier CBS eleven zero sixty five. The artician

1078
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Inkey revealed the secret of metallurgy to the woman, while

1079
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.119
<v Speaker 2>his son's the Great Messenger, observers cast metal and cohabitant

1080
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.159
<v Speaker 2>with her, the mother of the human race.

1081
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:43.880
<v Speaker 6>The mother knows the secret of the gods. The tool revealed.

1082
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.159
<v Speaker 2>So it was metallurgy that was given to the woman

1083
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:50.239
<v Speaker 2>for the forbidden fruit of knowledge. And he compares it

1084
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 2>to Genesis six one through five and the Book of

1085
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Enoch also chapter eight and one. So when Jason, Oh,

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00:57:57.760 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 2>where Jason.

1087
00:57:58.400 --> 00:57:59.159
<v Speaker 6>Go he left?

1088
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Huh he's been in and out.

1089
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, So when Jason was talking earlier, about knot.

1090
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 2>That's where you can get some of the relationship between

1091
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the enoch because some people do use the Book of

1092
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Enochs as their source. But he actually, like I said,

1093
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:19.000
<v Speaker 2>he gives you the tablet, identify her and what it says,

1094
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and then he compares it to whatever the uh whatever

1095
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:24.159
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible.

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00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:26.639
<v Speaker 6>This is also still in his book.

1097
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:30.000
<v Speaker 2>The knowledge of the forbidden Fruit was simply that of toolmaking,

1098
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.079
<v Speaker 2>whose secret is not to be divulged. And then it

1099
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 2>just tells you, you know, later on that Inky inside

1100
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.639
<v Speaker 2>of humans to reproduce themselves.

1101
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.840
<v Speaker 6>So is he actually, you know, puts that in this book.

1102
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:46.719
<v Speaker 6>He that's pretty interesting.

1103
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 2>But here is more sources where he talks about it.

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00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Was metallurgy CBS eighty three, twenty two. He had brought

1105
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:57.719
<v Speaker 2>metallurgy our own, our only Lord has spread the secret

1106
00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:58.400
<v Speaker 2>of the boat.

1107
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.880
<v Speaker 6>And then y CBS.

1108
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Zero sixty five, column three, that gods find out that

1109
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the human beings initiated by serpent Inky now have clothing.

1110
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:11.920
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people don't when they look at the

1111
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.400
<v Speaker 2>serpent God, they look at as an evil god. But

1112
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 2>some people would say Inky was Jesus or something like that,

1113
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.119
<v Speaker 2>or he was a good god. But he was known

1114
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:23.400
<v Speaker 2>as a serpent to some of these of these individuals.

1115
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:25.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting he says serpent, because remember when I

1116
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 2>showed them that he was in his fish suit. So

1117
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.280
<v Speaker 2>what do they really consider a serpent?

1118
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:32.880
<v Speaker 6>You know? Was he a serpent type fish or something?

1119
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.199
<v Speaker 6>Who knows? I don't mean what what was?

1120
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 10>You know?

1121
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.119
<v Speaker 6>Their their meaning and understanding.

1122
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:41.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I say everybody has their own translations

1123
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:42.360
<v Speaker 2>of what they believe.

1124
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 6>So some people believe Inky was a serpent. Some people

1125
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 6>believe he was a fish god.

1126
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:49.199
<v Speaker 2>So now how do you find a happy medium between them? Now,

1127
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.079
<v Speaker 2>now they gotta they gotta explain.

1128
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.440
<v Speaker 6>It to us, but you know they're not here to do.

1129
00:59:55.239 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 5>The serpent symbology only became connotated with evil after Christianity.

1130
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.000
<v Speaker 5>And in fact, I think that the first, the first

1131
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 5>translations doesn't say snake or serpent. They have another name.

1132
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:14.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure I have that in mind. But the

1133
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:18.000
<v Speaker 5>serpent was always the teacher. It's a global hallmark all over.

1134
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 10>Well, it's an It's also what you call an entropic

1135
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.159
<v Speaker 10>in topic and tropic phenomena. Right when you take hallucinogens,

1136
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 10>namely namely psilocybin. Uh, the geometric patterns began and most often,

1137
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:35.360
<v Speaker 10>depending on the dosage, lead to seeing snakes.

1138
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:35.719
<v Speaker 6>Right.

1139
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:38.559
<v Speaker 10>In fact, you know, that's when I know I've reached

1140
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:42.039
<v Speaker 10>the proper place for the meeting I take them for it, right,

1141
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.280
<v Speaker 10>is when the roots and all start to become snakes.

1142
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.559
<v Speaker 10>So it's no coincidence that that snake is used both

1143
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 10>in the you know, Christian Bible, at least, the story

1144
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.840
<v Speaker 10>of Adam and Eve is associated with knowledge. And like

1145
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:56.320
<v Speaker 10>Ricardo said, Shamans and all cultures have long known that

1146
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.639
<v Speaker 10>that the serpent just sort of because of the way

1147
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 10>it interacts with your system, begins the entree point into

1148
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 10>the spiritual visionary experience.

1149
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and and that, and you know, like I

1150
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 2>said that, you know, I believe in spiritual stuff. I

1151
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.039
<v Speaker 2>have my own rendezvous with that that and I'm very

1152
01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:19.800
<v Speaker 2>familiar with that that side of the world. And uh,

1153
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you know that's why I say, I just wanted to

1154
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:24.960
<v Speaker 2>learn more because a lot of what I've learned about

1155
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:28.199
<v Speaker 2>chakras and how to balance my chakras was reading books.

1156
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:31.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, I didn't have somebody to tell me or

1157
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:32.880
<v Speaker 2>as to have somebody that's near me that can put

1158
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:34.519
<v Speaker 2>me on it. So I had to read from people

1159
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 2>who who you know, said hey, this is what you

1160
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.719
<v Speaker 2>could possibly do, and then you know how to control

1161
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, your your sleep paralysis and your you know,

1162
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Speaker 2>your so on and so forth, and and it takes

1163
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.519
<v Speaker 2>me to a place to where just one, I want

1164
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 2>to see it from my understanding. I want to interpret

1165
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:55.920
<v Speaker 2>it for myself. And that's why I mentioned when I

1166
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.320
<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier about the Keto Festival that literally was just

1167
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.599
<v Speaker 2>basically a festival to tell, like, you know, stories about

1168
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:06.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, the creation of humans, and you know whose

1169
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:08.679
<v Speaker 2>God is better than what God and what happened.

1170
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:09.719
<v Speaker 6>It just told a story.

1171
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Nobody really knows exactly what's fact over fiction because a

1172
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of everybody that translated some of these tablets has

1173
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.159
<v Speaker 2>their own thing. And I can't not sitchen for what

1174
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.360
<v Speaker 2>he does or what he did, But what I can

1175
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:25.159
<v Speaker 2>say is that there were people that were able to

1176
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.239
<v Speaker 2>show that he was incorrect, and instead of him, you know,

1177
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:30.960
<v Speaker 2>going back at him and saying I'm going to break

1178
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.360
<v Speaker 2>it down for you simple and stupid way that now

1179
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.039
<v Speaker 2>nobody really knows the truth. But I can only go

1180
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 2>off what's available to the sources, because if I go

1181
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.360
<v Speaker 2>to his book, I can't. I can't give out cuneiform

1182
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.199
<v Speaker 2>tablet identifiers. I have to go to the other sources

1183
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 2>that I've read to to give that. And like I said,

1184
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:50.719
<v Speaker 2>from the electronic text Corpus Samarian literature, this is my

1185
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.800
<v Speaker 2>favorite website because everybody has a phone phone in their hand.

1186
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 2>And like I said earlier, if you type in that,

1187
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.440
<v Speaker 2>if you type in and not on that website on

1188
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.360
<v Speaker 2>the search bar, it won't bring up anything about the ananachi.

1189
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.239
<v Speaker 2>You have to type in a nuna, so you have

1190
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 2>to use the right words for it to come up

1191
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:13.239
<v Speaker 2>and share, you know, basically, or bring up the stuff

1192
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.119
<v Speaker 2>that is supposed to bring But this is just from

1193
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the electronic create text Corpus of Samarian literature, where you

1194
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.239
<v Speaker 2>have in those days, in the days when heaven and

1195
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:24.400
<v Speaker 2>earth were created, in those nights and the knights, when

1196
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:26.440
<v Speaker 2>heaven and earth were created, in those years, and the

1197
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:28.800
<v Speaker 2>years when the fates were determined, when the nuna gods

1198
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.639
<v Speaker 2>were born, when the goddesses were taken in marriage, when

1199
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.039
<v Speaker 2>the goddesses were distributed in heaven and earth, and it

1200
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.239
<v Speaker 2>just goes on that. You could get a sense of

1201
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:39.960
<v Speaker 2>how this is like one of the creation stories, right,

1202
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 2>It's just a very simple creation story. And then you

1203
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.519
<v Speaker 2>have the debate between Grain and sheep where at the

1204
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:48.800
<v Speaker 2>time Inky spoke to in Lil Father in Lil, now

1205
01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:51.400
<v Speaker 2>sheep and Grain had created on the Holy Mound. Let

1206
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:54.960
<v Speaker 2>us send down them from the Holy Mound. Now this

1207
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. Like I said, a lot of people think

1208
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:58.840
<v Speaker 2>that Inky and in Lil are brothers, but a lot

1209
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.800
<v Speaker 2>of times they're known as father and son. One is

1210
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 2>the father and son, and it actually flip flops also,

1211
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:09.719
<v Speaker 2>so that's pretty interesting. And then of course I have

1212
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in here within and Nana and on on Uh. I

1213
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:17.159
<v Speaker 2>knew most people know him as who created gods in humankind,

1214
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:21.239
<v Speaker 2>gazed at Holy and Nana and dressed the favorite wife

1215
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:23.920
<v Speaker 2>who travels by his side. And this is just basically

1216
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.039
<v Speaker 2>I brought in here because of the simple fact that

1217
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 2>we have a creation of how uh and is supposedly

1218
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.519
<v Speaker 2>created the god in human kindness.

1219
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 5>Isn't it funny that could you go back to slave

1220
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:37.519
<v Speaker 5>mounds or are you gonna say mound?

1221
01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:39.960
<v Speaker 10>Did you see the mound? Also the Holy mound?

1222
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.480
<v Speaker 5>I believe that that one that's called me, Sorry, go ahead,

1223
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.679
<v Speaker 5>I would let let that to you. But what I

1224
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.280
<v Speaker 5>saw was sheep and grain. And if we change the

1225
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:54.719
<v Speaker 5>translation of grain to seed, you have sheep and his seed,

1226
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:58.320
<v Speaker 5>and we had Adam and Eve going thrown out of paradise.

1227
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:03.480
<v Speaker 5>Have a circle of what happens in the Bible.

1228
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Once again, No, I see it now because grain is sheet,

1229
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.199
<v Speaker 2>the debate between grain and sheet, because.

1230
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I see that.

1231
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I see that as well.

1232
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and the fact, you know, I just I had

1233
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.199
<v Speaker 10>to chime in because with the mound building culture, right,

1234
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.199
<v Speaker 10>and I see that it's not the holy mountain or

1235
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.119
<v Speaker 10>the Holy castle, that's the holy mound. Yeah, that's really

1236
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.880
<v Speaker 10>that's really interesting. That's great man, Thanks for sharing.

1237
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:35.239
<v Speaker 5>This in the Egyptian. In the Egyptian Odd Gods, odd goats,

1238
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.039
<v Speaker 5>it has a strange of odd goats. It's also a mound.

1239
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:40.440
<v Speaker 6>It's not a well.

1240
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.960
<v Speaker 10>Mounds came before pyramids, right, we look at all pyramids.

1241
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:45.000
<v Speaker 10>What do they usually find underneath? They find a mound

1242
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.440
<v Speaker 10>that began it. And what do they usually find somewhere

1243
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:49.880
<v Speaker 10>under that some sort of holy source of water? Like

1244
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.760
<v Speaker 10>you you know, I kept from mentioning, but you hit

1245
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.679
<v Speaker 10>that early on there, man, when you were talking about

1246
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:58.079
<v Speaker 10>the water, the source of water being important to them

1247
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.440
<v Speaker 10>because the translation I think end Zoo or or whichever

1248
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.960
<v Speaker 10>it was. Yeah, so that at the mounds, you know,

1249
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:06.159
<v Speaker 10>and same here I find all these native mounds, and

1250
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.400
<v Speaker 10>they're all near some sort of source of water, be

1251
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:11.760
<v Speaker 10>it a small tributary, original creek, or be it underground

1252
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 10>like right behind me. Now you know, water coming up

1253
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:17.360
<v Speaker 10>from below ground. It was critical. Then they chose the mound,

1254
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:19.400
<v Speaker 10>and then of course the man came along and put

1255
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:21.320
<v Speaker 10>rocks on it and called it pyramids.

1256
01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:22.679
<v Speaker 6>Anyway.

1257
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that that one's loaded right there.

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01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.559
<v Speaker 2>That quote, man, this is great, you know, and and

1259
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and this is this is where it's interesting because they

1260
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.039
<v Speaker 2>do talk about mounds in here. So that's a that's

1261
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a great uh, great thing to catch is that we

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<v Speaker 2>know mounds are important in pyramids, and you know that

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01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:42.000
<v Speaker 2>mounds had to come first, and so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that, you know, if you read these texts

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01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.639
<v Speaker 2>for yourself, you get you can you can interpret it

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01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.480
<v Speaker 2>different ways. But you won't interpret something that says that

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01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and that an Anaki came from planet never with that

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01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:55.320
<v Speaker 2>orbit our son every thirty six.

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01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:56.639
<v Speaker 1>No, you certainly won't.

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01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 10>That's what I'm enjoying about your your Actually I didn't know,

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01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:03.039
<v Speaker 10>but you're educating me, because I would have just believed

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01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:05.840
<v Speaker 10>if I didn't know the difference, if I never read Chichen,

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01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 10>I didn't even know. He was just some dude in

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01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:08.719
<v Speaker 10>the seventies, you know what I mean. I thought it

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01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:10.480
<v Speaker 10>best maybe he was back in the forties early on

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01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.320
<v Speaker 10>in the sci fi game. But yeah, well, I mean

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01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:15.079
<v Speaker 10>you're doing a great job, man and telling us all

1278
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.400
<v Speaker 10>stuff we didn't know. And this is key here about Nibiru.

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01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it because I've read Sitchen first and that

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01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:24.679
<v Speaker 3>was my first exposure to it.

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01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:26.760
<v Speaker 9>So Tyrone and I have talked about before.

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01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:29.719
<v Speaker 3>If that's the case for you, then you really have

1283
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.480
<v Speaker 3>to go back and find original source and kind of

1284
01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.480
<v Speaker 3>weed through the misinformation, Like it's really a disservice to

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01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:37.360
<v Speaker 3>the story.

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01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.079
<v Speaker 9>For him to have put that in there.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, yeah, but how can you, sorry, Das, how

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01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.920
<v Speaker 5>can you read Sitchen and not be interested? Well, what

1289
01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:49.880
<v Speaker 5>are his sources? Let's let's go and look, well for sure,

1290
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:53.280
<v Speaker 5>yeah right, and then immediately you find out, oh, okay,

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01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:54.360
<v Speaker 5>he's full of bullshit.

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01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.800
<v Speaker 6>No see, you know I started with him too. I've

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01:07:58.840 --> 01:07:59.960
<v Speaker 6>read his books too.

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01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, he wrote his book in nineteen seventy six,

1295
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:06.239
<v Speaker 2>and then he slowly wrote books past that. And I

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01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:08.559
<v Speaker 2>was born in the eighties, so of course I read

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01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 2>his books later, of course, And like I said, I

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01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 2>had a choice between guys that they shared in the

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01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Bible or the Bibles I should say, or you know

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01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 2>these extraterrestrial things. And then when I read that you

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01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:22.159
<v Speaker 2>know it comes from the deaths of the Sea, it

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01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.479
<v Speaker 2>just makes me wonder more because what is the meaning

1303
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:27.239
<v Speaker 2>of that? Could it also mean hollow earth in the

1304
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Earth and so on and so forth. I mean, there's

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01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.319
<v Speaker 2>a possibility, But my point is that I haven't been

1306
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:35.479
<v Speaker 2>able to find something that says they came from our

1307
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:38.760
<v Speaker 2>planet or a different planet that orbits our son. And now,

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01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:42.760
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I don't have I believe in extraterrestrials

1309
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and aliens outside of there and stuff like that. I

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01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:49.000
<v Speaker 2>just what's the difference between the deaths of the sea

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01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and outside of Earth's atmosphere. If they're coming from the season,

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01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.399
<v Speaker 2>they can fly around and do all this crazy high

1313
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.359
<v Speaker 2>tech technology movements and all this other stuff. Why are

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01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.279
<v Speaker 2>you still looking in the sky if you really really

1315
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.760
<v Speaker 2>been told for thousands of years they've been coming from

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01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the death of the sea.

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01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:05.800
<v Speaker 6>It's like telling people you're going to you're going to

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01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:07.279
<v Speaker 6>see one hundred dollars come out the sky.

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01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:10.079
<v Speaker 2>You'll see one hundred dollars faster on the ground looking

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01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:11.800
<v Speaker 2>on the ground than you will looking in the sky.

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01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's good, that's so true.

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01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.359
<v Speaker 10>And I think you're right on, dude, because look, it's

1323
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:20.439
<v Speaker 10>less of a leap, right, a reasoning leap if we

1324
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.479
<v Speaker 10>already kind of are harping on a civilization which just

1325
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.600
<v Speaker 10>telling us, you know something before this catastrophe, right, that

1326
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:29.720
<v Speaker 10>was somehow advanced, possibly at least to map the world

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01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:33.199
<v Speaker 10>in crack longitude, right, What if they had What if

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01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.319
<v Speaker 10>we somebody like us today in our advancement, had one

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01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:39.439
<v Speaker 10>hundred years notice that the end was coming, right, you

1330
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:41.720
<v Speaker 10>see this thing in the sky. You know, you're smart,

1331
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 10>you know what it means.

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01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:45.640
<v Speaker 1>What would you do? Would there be a faction that

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01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 1>would take whatever technology.

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01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.840
<v Speaker 10>Is available and go, we can dodge this motherfucker. Okay,

1335
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:51.920
<v Speaker 10>we gotta go deep, we gotta go far, and you

1336
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:53.920
<v Speaker 10>got to shut the fuck up and not tell anybody

1337
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:57.960
<v Speaker 10>right that that is that far of a leap, or

1338
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:00.960
<v Speaker 10>you use it to control the masses as the Estecs did.

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01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:02.119
<v Speaker 8>Right.

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01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.039
<v Speaker 2>But that's but my point is is that what's the

1341
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:09.079
<v Speaker 2>argument from the seas to to outside the verset atmosphere?

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01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:12.279
<v Speaker 6>Neither one of them is either good should they more

1343
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:13.079
<v Speaker 6>advanced than us?

1344
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:14.960
<v Speaker 2>That's what That's the only thing that you know what

1345
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, So neither so tell us where we need

1346
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:19.680
<v Speaker 2>to protect ourselves at you know what I'm saying, like.

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01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.680
<v Speaker 5>Let's get to the why are you trying to?

1348
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:25.439
<v Speaker 6>Why are you trying to tell me to look away?

1349
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:27.000
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying. You're trying to You're tapping

1350
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.239
<v Speaker 6>me on my left shoulder, but you're on my right side,

1351
01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:30.199
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean.

1352
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.039
<v Speaker 2>So you want me to turn my head to the

1353
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:34.359
<v Speaker 2>left and you're sitting there right there to my right side,

1354
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:36.079
<v Speaker 2>and now live like a food because I'm looking over

1355
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:37.159
<v Speaker 2>on to the left side of me.

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01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:39.880
<v Speaker 10>I know what that means.

1357
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:40.880
<v Speaker 1>They're under our ocean.

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01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:41.520
<v Speaker 10>Get down there.

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01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:45.560
<v Speaker 6>I mean, Jesus was even known as a fish guy,

1360
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:48.880
<v Speaker 6>right he walked on water.

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01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:54.600
<v Speaker 1>How can you look at that many men walking.

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01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:57.119
<v Speaker 2>On water means to me that that that that the

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01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 2>movement that this individual was able to swim and be in,

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01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:01.520
<v Speaker 2>move in and stride and water.

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01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:03.800
<v Speaker 6>Somebody would be walking right.

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01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:05.640
<v Speaker 9>Well, you know it does.

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01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:08.880
<v Speaker 10>The miracles always to me sound much more like, you know,

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01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:10.520
<v Speaker 10>cast your nets on this side right.

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01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:11.119
<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 10>To me, that that really translates as a dude, who

1372
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.800
<v Speaker 10>was you know, listening to God? Because imagine if God

1373
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:17.439
<v Speaker 10>is sitting there in your ear and you're standing there

1374
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:19.319
<v Speaker 10>on that boat and they're not catching fish, and God

1375
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:21.399
<v Speaker 10>just goes all right, listen, trust me in a second,

1376
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:23.720
<v Speaker 10>telling them to cast left. Okay, watch this ship, you know,

1377
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:25.840
<v Speaker 10>and then Jesus cast on the left and then cast

1378
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:26.800
<v Speaker 10>on the left, and there it is.

1379
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:29.399
<v Speaker 5>He's a time travel he had the sonar, he knew

1380
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:30.159
<v Speaker 5>what the see it was.

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01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.880
<v Speaker 10>The boss man was down there in that us O

1382
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:36.760
<v Speaker 10>telling him where they were, making them move to the

1383
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:37.640
<v Speaker 10>other side.

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01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1385
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:43.520
<v Speaker 2>And that's pretty much my presentation right there. Just I'm

1386
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:44.720
<v Speaker 2>still going to add to it.

1387
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:46.119
<v Speaker 1>This is, uh.

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01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.319
<v Speaker 6>I think the basics and just the basic.

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01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Of the annas Ananaki is that they didn't come from

1390
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:56.920
<v Speaker 2>a planet never. They came from the deaths of the sea,

1391
01:11:57.000 --> 01:11:59.479
<v Speaker 2>and they were depicted at as these types of gods

1392
01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:05.920
<v Speaker 2>in there. I also know, uh, there's this there's this

1393
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:09.479
<v Speaker 2>fish called the goat fish, and I just learned this

1394
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:12.600
<v Speaker 2>just recently, that Inky was known as a goat fish.

1395
01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:15.159
<v Speaker 2>And if you look at what type of fish that is,

1396
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:18.279
<v Speaker 2>it's a weird looking fish. But because Inky was depicted

1397
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.079
<v Speaker 2>as a goat, sometimes he was, he was known as

1398
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the goat fish. So that's something that I learned. So

1399
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.640
<v Speaker 2>it's just interesting how all these things come and play

1400
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:27.560
<v Speaker 2>play together.

1401
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.279
<v Speaker 10>It's funny. Take the modern interpretation of goat, right, the

1402
01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:33.359
<v Speaker 10>greatest fish man of all time.

1403
01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:39.439
<v Speaker 5>The goat is more associated with evil today.

1404
01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:41.760
<v Speaker 1>But the image correct.

1405
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.640
<v Speaker 10>But you know, the kids the terminology from whatever Matt

1406
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:45.720
<v Speaker 10>Damon movie that was.

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01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:49.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just I just wonder what's what's was Jesus

1408
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:51.720
<v Speaker 5>the first suffer? And then they didn't know what a

1409
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:53.439
<v Speaker 5>board was walking on?

1410
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.319
<v Speaker 6>You know, It's so funny because just think about it.

1411
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 2>When somebody says walking on water, I should think outside

1412
01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:03.199
<v Speaker 2>the box and I would just think that, like this

1413
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:05.920
<v Speaker 2>person was able to sweethe and swim and move in water,

1414
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:09.279
<v Speaker 2>like somebody can stride that all that.

1415
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.760
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, somebody want to prove they can swim in a hurricane.

1416
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.720
<v Speaker 10>You know I tried that once, but it also really

1417
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:18.239
<v Speaker 10>did it also sounds to me. Look, it's a great

1418
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:22.319
<v Speaker 10>metaphor for any kind of spiritual or even just knowledge, right,

1419
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:24.920
<v Speaker 10>like we're working with here today, understanding right when you

1420
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:27.000
<v Speaker 10>got Peter there, and you know, if you just see

1421
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:28.600
<v Speaker 10>it more as a as as a metaphor of what

1422
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:31.279
<v Speaker 10>was going on between these two individuals, right, Jesus is

1423
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:34.039
<v Speaker 10>showing him all this stuff you know, about inside him

1424
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 10>and about outside and how God and He can interplay. Right,

1425
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:39.800
<v Speaker 10>So how do you maintain that? Well, you obviously got

1426
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:41.439
<v Speaker 10>to stay in the moment with God, right, You got

1427
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:43.960
<v Speaker 10>to look neither before or after, just like he told

1428
01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:45.920
<v Speaker 10>you when he was walking on the water, don't look down,

1429
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.439
<v Speaker 10>write whatever you do, focus on me. And that just

1430
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.800
<v Speaker 10>translates to what those of us seeking spiritual growth, connection

1431
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.239
<v Speaker 10>with God, or even knowledge in this material plane have

1432
01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 10>to do, right, which is stay centered in this moment,

1433
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.039
<v Speaker 10>you know, focused with it. That's how I hear the

1434
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:02.560
<v Speaker 10>walking the water bit myself.

1435
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, you know, it's it's it's interesting you say that,

1436
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and and I'm done after this.

1437
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:10.039
<v Speaker 6>This is my last slide. Of course, I have this

1438
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:11.880
<v Speaker 6>life to promote my book and stuff like that.

1439
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Speaker 2>But uh, the last thing I was gonna say, that's

1440
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:19.000
<v Speaker 2>interesting because you know, okay, like I said, I believe

1441
01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:21.600
<v Speaker 2>in things outside of our planet, but I believe that

1442
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.520
<v Speaker 2>we also got we were creating.

1443
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:25.039
<v Speaker 6>We're also special individuals.

1444
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:27.479
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people say that a lot of paranormal

1445
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:32.560
<v Speaker 2>spiritual things, demons and you know, evil things won our soul, right,

1446
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.199
<v Speaker 2>and that's why we You know that there's exism and

1447
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:35.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that.

1448
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:36.960
<v Speaker 6>Something we don't have that.

1449
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's our soul is special to us, like

1450
01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:43.159
<v Speaker 2>now aliens or anything else has that that. Some people

1451
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:45.760
<v Speaker 2>believe that the aliens are abducting people because they're trying

1452
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to mimic the soul or whatever.

1453
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.920
<v Speaker 2>We have a special thing about us that carries on

1454
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.600
<v Speaker 2>even after this flesh and body dies. We continue and

1455
01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.199
<v Speaker 2>if we learn how to tap into our Kashak records,

1456
01:14:57.239 --> 01:14:59.880
<v Speaker 2>our personal and Kashak records, we can remember everything from

1457
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:00.680
<v Speaker 2>our past.

1458
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.640
<v Speaker 6>The problem is is that over time that hasn't been

1459
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:04.439
<v Speaker 6>been achieved.

1460
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:07.199
<v Speaker 10>But my point is is that, well, this world has

1461
01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:09.119
<v Speaker 10>been set up bro to keep us from achieving it.

1462
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:11.399
<v Speaker 10>You know that's why what what what you're doing and

1463
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:14.560
<v Speaker 10>we're exhibiting here is so fucking commendabulek excuse me language,

1464
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:17.159
<v Speaker 10>but you know it should be said, you know, there's

1465
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:19.279
<v Speaker 10>this world to keep us from this stuff.

1466
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:21.359
<v Speaker 5>That's where your focus is. Fine to that.

1467
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, and that's it. That's it pretty much, Dave.

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01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:29.079
<v Speaker 2>If you're ready or if you'll have any questions, Like

1469
01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm going to add to this questions of anything,

1470
01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 2>because I want to make it to the point where

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01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:35.199
<v Speaker 2>it's the basics.

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01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:38.600
<v Speaker 6>If the basics is that they came from planet.

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01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And neber give me sources like the sources that I

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01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:43.359
<v Speaker 2>just researched that says that they came from the death

1475
01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.680
<v Speaker 2>to see versus think from from a planet Neberu. And

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01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:50.640
<v Speaker 2>then if if and if you if you want to argue,

1477
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you know that there is a planet Neberu out there,

1478
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:56.319
<v Speaker 2>you know the sources will help you with your argument,

1479
01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:00.399
<v Speaker 2>just like the sources are helping me with mine. If God,

1480
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:03.119
<v Speaker 2>then you know, I don't know what else what to say.

1481
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:05.720
<v Speaker 2>And it's not even me being right or wrong, it's

1482
01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:07.720
<v Speaker 2>just that this is what is out there. So I

1483
01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.119
<v Speaker 2>just want to know the truth too, because you're.

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01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.039
<v Speaker 10>Giving us the sources. Man, it doesn't matter if you

1485
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:13.840
<v Speaker 10>know what I'm saying right wrong, doesn't enter into it.

1486
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.039
<v Speaker 10>That's part of why this is brilliant, started interrupt, But

1487
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.399
<v Speaker 10>I just wanted to commend you, man. You just you

1488
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:21.159
<v Speaker 10>taught me so much, you know, and and you you

1489
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:24.520
<v Speaker 10>wrapped it around to something that fits a narrative I

1490
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:28.640
<v Speaker 10>already exposed myself to with my physical findings, you know.

1491
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:31.239
<v Speaker 10>And that's just I haven't seen somebody else do that, because,

1492
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:32.960
<v Speaker 10>like you said, everybody else wants it to be this

1493
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:36.439
<v Speaker 10>thing from elsewhere or this whatever. But you're you're nailing it,

1494
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:39.399
<v Speaker 10>showing us all that. Actually, when you go to source,

1495
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:41.600
<v Speaker 10>it sounds a little more like what we might think

1496
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:43.239
<v Speaker 10>some crazy, weird advanced humans.

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01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.720
<v Speaker 6>This is good. I throw one more thing out there.

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01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:48.840
<v Speaker 2>You got to remember they say that we're like seventy

1499
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:52.439
<v Speaker 2>percent something body of water, So we look within ourselves.

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01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:54.239
<v Speaker 6>What do we usually find water?

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01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:59.600
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I'm a cancer sign. I'm right there fucking with

1502
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:01.640
<v Speaker 10>you on the water is live, bro.

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01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:06.039
<v Speaker 5>One of the things that I got from your presentation

1504
01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.319
<v Speaker 5>is that you made me think of this that I

1505
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:12.079
<v Speaker 5>haven't and I looked at this many times, is that

1506
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:16.439
<v Speaker 5>it shows us that whenever this started thirty six pc,

1507
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:19.079
<v Speaker 5>the thirty six hundred DC or thirty two hundred pc,

1508
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:24.399
<v Speaker 5>it also moves from the metriacal. Sorry, you have to

1509
01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:30.640
<v Speaker 5>help me saying this from the metriacal society to matriarchal

1510
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.479
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, matriarchal society to a patriarchical society, because you

1511
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:38.079
<v Speaker 5>don't see the goddess's ruling here, so we see the

1512
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:41.720
<v Speaker 5>predominance of gods. There are goddesses still, but they are

1513
01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:45.359
<v Speaker 5>the ones giving the cards. So I find it funny

1514
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.760
<v Speaker 5>that after the cataclysm they decided that it was time

1515
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.079
<v Speaker 5>for men to rule instead of being a world of

1516
01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:54.960
<v Speaker 5>women and animestic.

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01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:56.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:01.319
<v Speaker 9>You know when we first John Tyrone, you were telling

1519
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:05.319
<v Speaker 9>us you were making a presentation. You did it. Yeah,

1520
01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:07.720
<v Speaker 9>it's good. I love the way that you presented it.

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01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.239
<v Speaker 4>I do too, and I like that it's a rundown

1522
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:14.119
<v Speaker 4>of like, like you said, the basics, and like we

1523
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.399
<v Speaker 4>talked about how you can mess up your memory and

1524
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:18.159
<v Speaker 4>then you have to go back and fill in the

1525
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.720
<v Speaker 4>holes and fix it, when if you would just get

1526
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:22.880
<v Speaker 4>the basics from the start, it's so much easier.

1527
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:24.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:28.880
<v Speaker 9>Sure, so thank you appreciate it very much.

1529
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:33.079
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, Tyrone's dispelling narrative blindness, getting rid of sichens, you know,

1530
01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:36.560
<v Speaker 10>es narrative and getting this system facts here.

1531
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:39.720
<v Speaker 5>It's it's a great story. I advise everyone to read it.

1532
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:40.920
<v Speaker 5>It's right.

1533
01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:44.720
<v Speaker 10>That's why everybody, guess is taking it as fact. And

1534
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:46.920
<v Speaker 10>you know, if you're like Iowa was, and you use

1535
01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:50.439
<v Speaker 10>even secondary sources on this stuff, you still just hear

1536
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:54.319
<v Speaker 10>this new Beru thing thrown out, you know and named

1537
01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:57.279
<v Speaker 10>Billy Carson whoever, right, as as some sort of fact.

1538
01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:00.239
<v Speaker 10>So this is this has been enlightened. Man.

1539
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I try to avoid saying his name,

1540
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:05.720
<v Speaker 2>but since you brought him up, you know, he really

1541
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>believes this this and and I don't. I just don't

1542
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.800
<v Speaker 2>understand because he says he's read so much. I mean,

1543
01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.079
<v Speaker 2>he even prides himself on reading so much. And I

1544
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:18.159
<v Speaker 2>always tell people this, and he put he actually put

1545
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:21.119
<v Speaker 2>a list of all his books out before when he

1546
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:25.520
<v Speaker 2>first started. I took a screenshot of it. The books

1547
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:28.479
<v Speaker 2>that he's read, Yeah, the books that he's that he's read.

1548
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1549
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.760
<v Speaker 2>He actually motivated me to put my books on my website.

1550
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:33.680
<v Speaker 2>So I actually have a list of books that I've

1551
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:38.600
<v Speaker 2>read and personally own on my website. But he I

1552
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:40.600
<v Speaker 2>took a screenshot and I noticed that it had to

1553
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:41.880
<v Speaker 2>do a lot with aliens.

1554
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:43.079
<v Speaker 6>Well, I will always say this.

1555
01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:46.800
<v Speaker 2>If you surround yourself with people who believe in aliens,

1556
01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:49.479
<v Speaker 2>you're going to believe in aliens eventually, you will.

1557
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 6>You know what.

1558
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:53.199
<v Speaker 10>The man's got an audience for sure, and you gotta

1559
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:55.359
<v Speaker 10>you gotta stick with and cater to your audience once

1560
01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:58.720
<v Speaker 10>you commit to an audience. I guess, uh, maybe his

1561
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:00.399
<v Speaker 10>wife took the books in the divorce, so I hear

1562
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:02.079
<v Speaker 10>they're splitting, so well.

1563
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:04.560
<v Speaker 1>We'll lay off. And sounds like you got enough going

1564
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:05.399
<v Speaker 1>on at the moment.

1565
01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:07.640
<v Speaker 6>But I see it as that I.

1566
01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:10.960
<v Speaker 10>Saw early on that that he probably likes Sitchen should

1567
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:13.119
<v Speaker 10>be taken with a grain of salt going. I can

1568
01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:16.039
<v Speaker 10>get enjoyment just from watching the show, you know what

1569
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:19.600
<v Speaker 10>I mean. This is entertaining. But when it's not presented

1570
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.520
<v Speaker 10>as for entertainment and sources aren't sighted, that's where we

1571
01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:24.840
<v Speaker 10>get in trouble, you know. And and you're helping clear

1572
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:25.159
<v Speaker 10>that up.

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01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:26.720
<v Speaker 6>Bro, This is sure.

1574
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:29.760
<v Speaker 5>And Tyrone used the word that he's important here, that

1576
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:33.520
<v Speaker 5>he's belief right, I heard. I heard I heard once

1577
01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:36.600
<v Speaker 5>an African guy say this, and I never forgot it

1578
01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:40.159
<v Speaker 5>to We only believe in what we don't know, because what.

1579
01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:43.960
<v Speaker 10>We know we know, we know exactly, man, Exactly. It

1580
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:47.399
<v Speaker 10>goes from belief to knowing, and that's when you're onto something.

1581
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Dave, I do I have to be done by

1582
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:58.039
<v Speaker 1>one o'clock? Because if so, I don't have time. No

1583
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.439
<v Speaker 1>what time, because Sarah has to get their kid off

1584
01:21:02.479 --> 01:21:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the bus.

1585
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.680
<v Speaker 4>At it's twelve thirty. We can go to like one

1586
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.520
<v Speaker 4>thirty if we need to. If everyone's okay with that.

1587
01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:11.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with that. I just thought I thought I

1588
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:12.359
<v Speaker 1>had to be done at one.

1589
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:13.560
<v Speaker 10>So I was like.

1590
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:18.800
<v Speaker 9>Double thing, just kind of got pushed back. Sorry, Yeah, it's.

1591
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:22.079
<v Speaker 10>Fun, Ricardo, I'll do the same, okay.

1592
01:21:22.399 --> 01:21:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Dan, Well it's all good.

1593
01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:27.920
<v Speaker 8>I just I just in my head, I was in

1594
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:30.439
<v Speaker 8>I thought that I had a one o'clock deadline, and

1595
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:32.920
<v Speaker 8>I was thinking, there's no way that's going to happen.

1596
01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:37.119
<v Speaker 1>I did want to say though about uh Tyrone.

1597
01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1598
01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:41.520
<v Speaker 8>I appreciate I always appreciate what Tyrone does because he's

1599
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:45.800
<v Speaker 8>bringing the sources, and we have major gaps and uncertainties

1600
01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:50.039
<v Speaker 8>even in the sources that like talk about this this subject.

1601
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:55.399
<v Speaker 8>So almost everything is speculation when we're talking about the

1602
01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:57.640
<v Speaker 8>in and akey except.

1603
01:21:57.319 --> 01:21:59.479
<v Speaker 1>For what Tyrone showed us today.

1604
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:05.840
<v Speaker 8>So look, I like throwing Billy Carson on at midnight

1605
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:09.199
<v Speaker 8>when I can't sleep and listening to Tmax smash.

1606
01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Into a new brewery and create Earth and the moon and.

1607
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:12.720
<v Speaker 10>Ship like that.

1608
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:18.439
<v Speaker 8>That's fun for me, right, But you know, I appreciate

1609
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:22.000
<v Speaker 8>when Tyrone goes, well, actually this is what they this

1610
01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:25.239
<v Speaker 8>is what they said. I'm looking forward to the future

1611
01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:28.720
<v Speaker 8>where Tyrone does this with more topics.

1612
01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>And more subjects to get.

1613
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.520
<v Speaker 5>Definitely there's a niche here.

1614
01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:35.159
<v Speaker 10>You know, It's like Wi files without the Heckelfish and

1615
01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:38.520
<v Speaker 10>he brings for septs. There's, like you say, there's definitely

1616
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:40.479
<v Speaker 10>a spot to be filled with this type work. If

1617
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:42.880
<v Speaker 10>it's really what you're into, Tyrone, this is this is great.

1618
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, no worries, No worries.

1619
01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.600
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, So we were talking about metallurgy, which kind of

1620
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:58.640
<v Speaker 8>goes into what what I'm talking about today. I'm going

1621
01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:02.680
<v Speaker 8>to share screen, but I guess I just want to

1622
01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:06.520
<v Speaker 8>give a little little little thing about what I'm talking

1623
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:07.159
<v Speaker 8>about today.

1624
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:16.159
<v Speaker 6>Where is it? Yeah, yeah, so.

1625
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to.

1626
01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:25.319
<v Speaker 8>I guess it will start by asking, like, for you guys,

1627
01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:28.840
<v Speaker 8>what is the off the top of your head, which

1628
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:35.439
<v Speaker 8>culture had the most advanced gold specifically gold metallurgy, the

1629
01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.359
<v Speaker 8>oldest and most advanced in the world.

1630
01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Does anyone know.

1631
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:42.720
<v Speaker 5>There's some popular guests there.

1632
01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:45.920
<v Speaker 10>I've got some ships sitting on the shelf behind me

1633
01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.800
<v Speaker 10>that might bring that into question for everybody, So I

1634
01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:52.079
<v Speaker 10>probably won't answer. I think it goes back before the

1635
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:55.399
<v Speaker 10>catastrophe myself, but I wouldn't have an answer as far

1636
01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:59.520
<v Speaker 10>as how A no, right, yeah, sorry, no no comment.

1637
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:03.199
<v Speaker 1>Hmm anyone.

1638
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:07.800
<v Speaker 6>I can't remember, but it starts with a B. I

1639
01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:10.600
<v Speaker 6>can't remember exactly where I think it would have it.

1640
01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I was I thought I was sure Ricardo would get this.

1641
01:24:17.439 --> 01:24:19.640
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you why I don't get this the Portuguese

1642
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:25.960
<v Speaker 5>what is it? Because to me, metallurgy started way before

1643
01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:27.199
<v Speaker 5>what you're going to say.

1644
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to go again.

1645
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:33.640
<v Speaker 5>Know it is, It is known, It is known. It

1646
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:38.079
<v Speaker 5>is the problem. There are no evidences because when you

1647
01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:41.600
<v Speaker 5>use this method, you destroy everything that you used to

1648
01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:45.119
<v Speaker 5>build the metal, right, and it's still done today, and

1649
01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:48.359
<v Speaker 5>it leaves no traces but the chart soil that you

1650
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:50.279
<v Speaker 5>find all over the settlements.

1651
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, right, let me let me let me try this again.

1652
01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Actual evidence of known metallurgy with gold.

1653
01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:02.199
<v Speaker 5>With gold, much culture I live up to you.

1654
01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:07.079
<v Speaker 8>I don't know, all right, because I'm just saying I

1655
01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:11.119
<v Speaker 8>believe that civilization is much older than we think it is,

1656
01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:13.680
<v Speaker 8>and we were probably fucking around with metal and stuff

1657
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:15.680
<v Speaker 8>like that like tens.

1658
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Of thousands of years ago.

1659
01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:21.279
<v Speaker 8>But I'm just talking about like actual archaeology, archaeological sites

1660
01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:25.239
<v Speaker 8>and civilizations that we know of and have evidence of, right,

1661
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:26.479
<v Speaker 8>And did they have.

1662
01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:28.680
<v Speaker 10>Golden summer Babylon Mesopotamia?

1663
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:32.119
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I don't know. I just think of any Babylonian.

1664
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:36.840
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, they had it in Celtic, the Celts, right, they

1665
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:38.680
<v Speaker 8>had it in When we'll get into all.

1666
01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:41.760
<v Speaker 5>That, yeah, we'll have to go back further back than

1667
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:45.720
<v Speaker 5>the Babylonians and the Sumerians the first beads of gold

1668
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.199
<v Speaker 5>in the waves and people.

1669
01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:49.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:53.600
<v Speaker 8>Well I heard about this site talking to the geophysicist

1671
01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:57.079
<v Speaker 8>Stefan Burns, and he this is not his, uh, his

1672
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:01.880
<v Speaker 8>area of expertise, but he mentioned because I had asked him,

1673
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.399
<v Speaker 8>like if you could go to like what's your most

1674
01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:06.920
<v Speaker 8>I asked him what are your most interesting sites ancient

1675
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:09.880
<v Speaker 8>sites in the world, and he mentioned this one. Tyrone

1676
01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:11.560
<v Speaker 8>got it because it does start with a V and

1677
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:13.520
<v Speaker 8>it can't be any other one, but the name of

1678
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:16.319
<v Speaker 8>the site is Varna and it's in Bulgaria.

1679
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>Would you guys, did you guys know of this site?

1680
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:22.199
<v Speaker 6>I could remember the name of it. Yeah, I remember

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01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:27.079
<v Speaker 6>that ship. Because everybody says Africa is but is not?

1682
01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Is not?

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01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:29.479
<v Speaker 9>I was going to say Africa.

1684
01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:32.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what some people say, but it's actually the one.

1685
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>It probably is Africa.

1686
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:39.159
<v Speaker 8>Like if we're going off what Tyrone and Tyone Ricardo

1687
01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:43.920
<v Speaker 8>was talking about, right, like, uh, just the idea that

1688
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:47.640
<v Speaker 8>civilization is cyclical and we've been you know, it's much

1689
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:49.399
<v Speaker 8>older than we think it is, which I'm sure we

1690
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:53.399
<v Speaker 8>all sitting around this panel believe, right, But I'm.

1691
01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Talking about like, you know what, what what do we know?

1692
01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:57.800
<v Speaker 10>Right?

1693
01:26:57.880 --> 01:26:58.319
<v Speaker 6>What do we know?

1694
01:26:58.479 --> 01:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>For sure?

1695
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:01.720
<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna green chair because they did make a did

1696
01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:04.600
<v Speaker 8>you make a PowerPoint presentation on this? I got a

1697
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:07.920
<v Speaker 8>new computer and I've been making a lot of PowerPoint presentations,

1698
01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:09.119
<v Speaker 8>So sorry about that.

1699
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:12.920
<v Speaker 1>This is the question that I asked already.

1700
01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:14.560
<v Speaker 10>And.

1701
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask too quickly. Uh what it?

1702
01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:25.399
<v Speaker 8>How do most sites like get found most archaeological sites

1703
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:25.920
<v Speaker 8>get found?

1704
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Is it from like active archaeological digging or what by accidents?

1705
01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:32.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

1706
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:34.640
<v Speaker 5>That construction.

1707
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:38.720
<v Speaker 10>Here in America it's it's construction. And in the States

1709
01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:41.800
<v Speaker 10>especially that the legally mandated. You know, you notice the

1710
01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:43.520
<v Speaker 10>discoveries are higher, you know.

1711
01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:48.439
<v Speaker 1>And this is a is a necropolis, the Vernon Necropolis.

1712
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:53.079
<v Speaker 8>It's the dawn of metallurgical mastery and social complexity.

1713
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>According to some I need to uh drop this down here,

1714
01:27:58.119 --> 01:27:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that's better.

1715
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:05.039
<v Speaker 8>And this dude on the right looks like Russell brand

1716
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:11.279
<v Speaker 8>I don't know why, but that's the obviously the artistic

1717
01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:12.640
<v Speaker 8>that it's a it's.

1718
01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:14.239
<v Speaker 1>A they made that guy.

1719
01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:17.159
<v Speaker 8>It's in the museum showing how he was buried, right,

1720
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:22.840
<v Speaker 8>And it was discovered in Bulgaria and I think it

1721
01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:24.720
<v Speaker 8>was in nineteen seventy two, seventy four something like that

1722
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:28.359
<v Speaker 8>at a construction site, okay, And typically when that happens,

1723
01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:33.119
<v Speaker 8>it's like hold up, stop construction, you know, like call

1724
01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:34.319
<v Speaker 8>the archaeologists.

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01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Here it would be called nagpra right, see what they.

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01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:39.239
<v Speaker 6>Want us to do with it?

1727
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:42.000
<v Speaker 9>Call the anthropologist.

1728
01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:43.479
<v Speaker 1>Call the anthropologist.

1729
01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:46.239
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, don't call anybody, that's my advice.

1730
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Called the religious uh.

1731
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:50.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1732
01:28:52.439 --> 01:28:57.560
<v Speaker 8>But this is the site with the oldest known known

1733
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:03.079
<v Speaker 8>advanced metal or like specifically with gold, and I'm going

1734
01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:06.479
<v Speaker 8>to compare this site to some other sites in the

1735
01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:09.840
<v Speaker 8>area around the same time, as well as gold like

1736
01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:15.439
<v Speaker 8>from other major civilizations across the world, including South America

1737
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:18.680
<v Speaker 8>and Mexico. We're just gonna dig into this site because

1738
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.640
<v Speaker 8>I thought it was super interesting and I never heard

1739
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:21.199
<v Speaker 8>of it before.

1740
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.520
<v Speaker 5>So we're gonna, Dave, I think it's for us to

1741
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:26.960
<v Speaker 5>understand better. What are you going to say? Can you

1742
01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:30.319
<v Speaker 5>explain to us where gold can be found? Because it

1743
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:32.600
<v Speaker 5>implies that they mind it and then worked it, So

1744
01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:33.880
<v Speaker 5>could you talk about that?

1745
01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:38.479
<v Speaker 10>No, I can't because apparently only mummified Russell brands.

1746
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:41.479
<v Speaker 8>No.

1747
01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:43.399
<v Speaker 5>Well, my question is does it have to be mined

1748
01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:46.199
<v Speaker 5>only exists beneath the ground? Can we find it at

1749
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.000
<v Speaker 5>the surface or yeah?

1750
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.479
<v Speaker 8>No, I mean yeah we I mean in the American

1751
01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:53.560
<v Speaker 8>gold Rush, they were finding it, you know, in rivers

1752
01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:55.760
<v Speaker 8>and stuff like that, So it doesn't necessarily.

1753
01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Have to be mined. You We'll get to that.

1754
01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:04.039
<v Speaker 8>Because the answer is they don't know how these guys

1755
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:06.079
<v Speaker 8>necessarily got gold, right.

1756
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:08.760
<v Speaker 5>But oh, they don't know there's no creek, no mind,

1757
01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:09.439
<v Speaker 5>they don't know that.

1758
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:12.119
<v Speaker 8>There's no proof that they mind it. There's no proof

1759
01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:16.600
<v Speaker 8>that they gathered it. That there's speculation on that, and

1760
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:20.880
<v Speaker 8>I'll get to that. Okay, there's there's there's you.

1761
01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Know, there's a bunch of different things.

1762
01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:24.199
<v Speaker 10>I'm really glad we learned about the Buru. Otherwise I

1763
01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:26.199
<v Speaker 10>thought it was the new Knaki mine in the gold.

1764
01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that was that was before, right, So

1765
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:33.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe they were finding leftover in and acky gold.

1766
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:33.600
<v Speaker 10>Right.

1767
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:41.720
<v Speaker 8>So where's Varna, Bulgaria, Right, you can see it. Uh,

1768
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:44.960
<v Speaker 8>It's on the basically on the coast of the Black

1769
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:47.840
<v Speaker 8>Sea there, Okay, if you can, if you can see that,

1770
01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:53.439
<v Speaker 8>there's lots of riverways in the area. To answer uh, uh,

1771
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:58.239
<v Speaker 8>Ricardo's question a little bit more in depth, but there's

1772
01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:00.359
<v Speaker 8>lots of riverways that had to have been used for

1773
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:05.279
<v Speaker 8>trade and stuff like that, and so that's possibly where

1774
01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:05.800
<v Speaker 8>they found it.

1775
01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:09.199
<v Speaker 1>But most the most likely speculation is that they just

1776
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>got it through trade with other with other cultures.

1777
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:18.279
<v Speaker 8>And yeah, if you look at the picture on the left,

1778
01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:22.680
<v Speaker 8>I mean, we're really close to a lot of major civilizations, right,

1779
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:28.079
<v Speaker 8>and uh, really close to the Black Sea, really close

1780
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:32.239
<v Speaker 8>to the Aegean, really close to the Mediterranean, right, it's

1781
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:34.800
<v Speaker 8>and so it's on it's A. It's a it's a

1782
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:40.560
<v Speaker 8>perfect site for trading and and uh, not just trading metal,

1783
01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:41.720
<v Speaker 8>but trading.

1784
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Customs and traditions and knowledge and things like that.

1785
01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:49.520
<v Speaker 8>So again it's just I'm not going to get into

1786
01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:52.039
<v Speaker 8>all this if I highlight and red the important points.

1787
01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:54.880
<v Speaker 8>But it's just four kilometers from the city center and

1788
01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:57.800
<v Speaker 8>it lies within a modern urbanized industrial landscape.

1789
01:31:57.840 --> 01:31:59.399
<v Speaker 1>So, like I mentioned, this.

1790
01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:04.520
<v Speaker 8>Is where you know, it's my belief that there are

1791
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:10.840
<v Speaker 8>very important archaeological sites under virtually every major city.

1792
01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>In the world right that we just don't know that

1793
01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:14.279
<v Speaker 1>they're there, and.

1794
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:16.920
<v Speaker 8>We have maybe never will because we build on top

1795
01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:18.520
<v Speaker 8>of build on top of build.

1796
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.159
<v Speaker 1>On top of and that's what we've been doing, a

1797
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>long time.

1798
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:25.399
<v Speaker 8>But occasionally we get lucky, right, and this one was

1799
01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:29.000
<v Speaker 8>unexpectedly uncovered on the site while working on a construction

1800
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:34.279
<v Speaker 8>project like you named, Rachel Maronov, and.

1801
01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Obviously the sparks archaeological interests.

1802
01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:42.159
<v Speaker 8>This is in the seventies, so you know, probably make

1803
01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.840
<v Speaker 8>a few phone calls and take take a few weeks

1804
01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:49.800
<v Speaker 8>to get everyone in. Nowadays, we'd probably they'd find it

1805
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:52.359
<v Speaker 8>and then it would spread like wildfire on the internet

1806
01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:54.760
<v Speaker 8>and a bunch of people would be speculating and stuff

1807
01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:57.239
<v Speaker 8>like that. So it's kind of the good old days

1808
01:32:57.439 --> 01:32:59.920
<v Speaker 8>because there wasn't a lot of there wasn't a lot

1809
01:32:59.920 --> 01:33:03.840
<v Speaker 8>of room for speculation. The experts could get in there early.

1810
01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:10.760
<v Speaker 8>And I highlighted this excavations between nineteen seventy two and

1811
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:14.960
<v Speaker 8>nineteen ninety one and uncovering nearly three hundred grades and

1812
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:16.079
<v Speaker 8>numerous artifacts.

1813
01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:22.319
<v Speaker 1>What do we know about like recent developments with go

1814
01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Beckley Tepee?

1815
01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:28.079
<v Speaker 8>They they what they stopped excavating, right, They didn't finish

1816
01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:30.760
<v Speaker 8>excavating the whole site for some reason, right.

1817
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>And they haven't.

1818
01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:36.279
<v Speaker 8>They haven't finished excavating this and they stopped in nineteen

1819
01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:36.880
<v Speaker 8>ninety one.

1820
01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:41.479
<v Speaker 1>So I just want to throw that out there with

1821
01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:45.399
<v Speaker 1>do with that as you may. It's it.

1822
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:50.159
<v Speaker 8>It provides key insights into the copper age that or

1823
01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:53.159
<v Speaker 8>like calcolithic. I didn't know that the copper age was

1824
01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:58.520
<v Speaker 8>called the calcolithic as well, but it is, and thirty

1825
01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:00.680
<v Speaker 8>percent of it remains un excavated.

1826
01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Like why do you guys suppose like.

1827
01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:07.279
<v Speaker 8>They would stop excavating a site, Like there's probably a

1828
01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:08.800
<v Speaker 8>bunch of reasons to just throw.

1829
01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Some out there for me.

1830
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:14.840
<v Speaker 6>Uh, mac Press of bones probably.

1831
01:34:16.319 --> 01:34:19.640
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, money desecration stuff. You have money, like, you mean,

1832
01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:21.880
<v Speaker 8>like enough money to actually keep doing it?

1833
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1834
01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:26.239
<v Speaker 10>What else? Well? Sure, I mean the money can control

1835
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:31.600
<v Speaker 10>what's excavated, meaning if the whoever's controlling the money controls

1836
01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:33.880
<v Speaker 10>what's happening. So I need money to excavate, whether it's

1837
01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:36.159
<v Speaker 10>coming to me through forms of grants or through forms

1838
01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:39.079
<v Speaker 10>of private donation, somebody's controlling that money. So if whoever

1839
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:41.640
<v Speaker 10>controls the money has an interest in any of the narratives,

1840
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:44.399
<v Speaker 10>then yeah, money can stop a dig.

1841
01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:48.079
<v Speaker 3>I think literally, whatever their finding could actually stop the dig.

1842
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So I'm glad you guys are saying this.

1843
01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:52.760
<v Speaker 8>I knew you guys were the right people to ask

1844
01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:56.600
<v Speaker 8>this question too, because yeah, you could save money. And

1845
01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:02.279
<v Speaker 8>most people would think, you know, yeah, they funding right,

1846
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:06.279
<v Speaker 8>but like maybe they find some ship that you know,

1847
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:10.399
<v Speaker 8>busts open the narrative a little bit, right, and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

1848
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:16.479
<v Speaker 8>we can stop stop right, And then there's a There's

1849
01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:21.359
<v Speaker 8>another concept that Michael Collins Wandering Wolf talks about a

1850
01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:26.279
<v Speaker 8>lot called heritage tourism. Mm hmm, yeah, and I think

1851
01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:29.439
<v Speaker 8>heritage tourism likely plays a role here.

1852
01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1853
01:35:32.359 --> 01:35:34.439
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, but that's that's yeah, that was a great that

1854
01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:36.399
<v Speaker 10>was great work, my bid I saw that as well.

1855
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I completely agree with you, dude.

1856
01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:42.800
<v Speaker 5>But since their their motivations are financial, especially as in

1857
01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:46.079
<v Speaker 5>go back with Tep or seems like it if they

1858
01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:49.640
<v Speaker 5>excavated the rest, they could create more centers, more interest,

1859
01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:53.840
<v Speaker 5>more people, more money. Right, So it's a multiple factor thing.

1860
01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:55.479
<v Speaker 5>It's just not one factor.

1861
01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:58.119
<v Speaker 10>That's why you think narrative for sure, go back to

1862
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:00.359
<v Speaker 10>I think it's.

1863
01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:03.600
<v Speaker 5>Because here it's thirty percent unexcavated, and go beck with

1864
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:07.680
<v Speaker 5>Tepe it's from seventy to ninety percent unexcavated. Yeah, and

1865
01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:10.079
<v Speaker 5>the sites that are not excavated are known to be

1866
01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:15.960
<v Speaker 5>much larger than those that we know, so I find

1867
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:16.600
<v Speaker 5>it interesting.

1868
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is.

1869
01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:20.399
<v Speaker 10>Well, look what all the guys we will watch have

1870
01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:23.479
<v Speaker 10>done with one pillar from go Beckley Tepe, right, pillar

1871
01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:26.479
<v Speaker 10>forty three? I think it is from one pillar. We've

1872
01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.800
<v Speaker 10>got a map that correlates so much information about a destruction.

1873
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:33.840
<v Speaker 10>You know that happened for real. So naturally, if anybody

1874
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:35.840
<v Speaker 10>is worried about a narrative, they see what has happened

1875
01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:38.840
<v Speaker 10>with one pillar. You know, the picture of one pillar

1876
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:41.680
<v Speaker 10>is sure they don't want to uncover more of that.

1877
01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:45.199
<v Speaker 5>Man, Well, if you are, if you are an archeologist,

1878
01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:47.800
<v Speaker 5>you would want to unravel that and see what's the

1879
01:36:47.840 --> 01:36:49.840
<v Speaker 5>rest of the story. Let's see what the whole wave here.

1880
01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:53.399
<v Speaker 10>And it's a curious individual interested in our past, right,

1881
01:36:54.279 --> 01:36:57.239
<v Speaker 10>But nobody can be blamed for any larger interests at

1882
01:36:57.319 --> 01:36:59.800
<v Speaker 10>play that simply do not want a certain narrative put

1883
01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:02.039
<v Speaker 10>out out there, no matter how much damn money it costs,

1884
01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:03.960
<v Speaker 10>because they want to be the only ones that know

1885
01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:06.960
<v Speaker 10>and the only ones that are getting ready for some

1886
01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:11.680
<v Speaker 10>sort of catastrophe in our future. Right, So yeah, narrative

1887
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.159
<v Speaker 10>for sure, go Beckley Tappe. That's just my personal leaning.

1888
01:37:14.279 --> 01:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Dave, going good.

1889
01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:19.279
<v Speaker 8>I think there might be an element of narrative here, right, yeah,

1890
01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:23.880
<v Speaker 8>And uh, it's like I don't even I'm not even

1891
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:28.600
<v Speaker 8>sure if the practice of heritage tourism and stopping at

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01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:32.159
<v Speaker 8>ninety percent or eighty percent, like it seems like that's

1893
01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:36.680
<v Speaker 8>that's more of a modern thing to do. And in

1894
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.359
<v Speaker 8>the past I believe they were a little more honest

1895
01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:43.640
<v Speaker 8>about it as far as like from an academic perspective,

1896
01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:48.159
<v Speaker 8>But that doesn't mean that they got somewhere and then

1897
01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:52.720
<v Speaker 8>you know, had to call in somebody, and then that

1898
01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:55.079
<v Speaker 8>person comes in and then calls in you know, the

1899
01:37:55.359 --> 01:37:58.600
<v Speaker 8>powers that be whoever they are, right, and then they're like, hey, yeah,

1900
01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:02.720
<v Speaker 8>there's right, we got some ship here that changes, you know,

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01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:03.720
<v Speaker 8>changes everything.

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01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not saying that that's happened at the Varner Culture,

1904
01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:10.279
<v Speaker 8>but I just believe that that could have. That's any

1905
01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:13.880
<v Speaker 8>site that could teach us about our past could be

1906
01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:16.680
<v Speaker 8>a subject to that, right.

1907
01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:19.199
<v Speaker 9>It's it's definitely more a modern.

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01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:22.880
<v Speaker 10>We all know concept intrinsically. That's why we believe Concaid,

1909
01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.079
<v Speaker 10>that Cancaid story, you know, be it.

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01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:27.319
<v Speaker 1>True or not?

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01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:32.720
<v Speaker 10>The Grand Canyon mm hmm yeah, right, what I see, right,

1912
01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:33.720
<v Speaker 10>because we all know this.

1913
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>What what you're saying?

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01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Well tourism aspect though, is a new approach. Yes,

1915
01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:43.239
<v Speaker 3>when I finished school, I'll have a minor.

1916
01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:44.680
<v Speaker 10>In in.

1917
01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:50.319
<v Speaker 9>Basically managing.

1918
01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Managing anthropological and archaeological finds and how to present them

1919
01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:59.840
<v Speaker 3>to the public in a way that is digestible and

1920
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.399
<v Speaker 3>also sustainable.

1921
01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:04.479
<v Speaker 5>So there you go.

1922
01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, so whatever that means, you can make that

1923
01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:09.439
<v Speaker 3>mean whatever you'd like it to mean.

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01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:15.199
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and so I just want to you'll make it

1925
01:39:15.279 --> 01:39:16.760
<v Speaker 10>mean something that benefits all of us.

1926
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:19.399
<v Speaker 9>Yes, well, you know, I'm a black sheep.

1927
01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:21.279
<v Speaker 1>That's the idea.

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<v Speaker 8>That's where Jacqueline's the mole in the mole in the system.

1929
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:29.039
<v Speaker 8>But just a little cultural context. We don't really know

1930
01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:32.600
<v Speaker 8>a whole lot about these people. They were a flourishing

1931
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:38.279
<v Speaker 8>culture known for early metalwork working and interesting burial practices

1932
01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:41.720
<v Speaker 8>that we'll get into. I can't I don't know how

1933
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:43.880
<v Speaker 8>to say this, anyone else want to give it a try,

1934
01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:48.560
<v Speaker 8>but contemporary with the Gallmannita culture, sharing similar technological and

1935
01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:50.640
<v Speaker 8>social advancements in the region.

1936
01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I have a little slide about those guys.

1937
01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:57.680
<v Speaker 8>They had sophisticated copper and gold metallurgy, producing some of

1938
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:00.800
<v Speaker 8>the earliest processed gold artifacts and history, if not the

1939
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.279
<v Speaker 8>oldest in known history.

1940
01:40:05.439 --> 01:40:09.199
<v Speaker 5>And so they also did they did sorry, did they

1941
01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:12.640
<v Speaker 5>find just the gold or did they find where they

1942
01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:16.159
<v Speaker 5>processed the gold? Because it told they don't know about mines. No,

1943
01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:20.159
<v Speaker 5>they just found their artifacts. So so this expression is

1944
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:21.640
<v Speaker 5>from their part is wrong.

1945
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:24.399
<v Speaker 1>What what are you what are you talking about?

1946
01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:30.199
<v Speaker 5>Saying that they these similar technological and social advancements in

1947
01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:33.920
<v Speaker 5>terms of metallurgy. We don't know if they had any

1948
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:35.840
<v Speaker 5>because it could be only trade materials.

1949
01:40:36.520 --> 01:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I got all this from sources that I'll

1950
01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>show you at the end.

1951
01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:47.680
<v Speaker 8>But I don't know exactly how they determined, whether they

1952
01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:50.760
<v Speaker 8>whether they process it themselves or not.

1953
01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:54.159
<v Speaker 1>But they could. You're right, they could have got it

1954
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>from the Mediterranean somewhere. I mean they did. They did

1955
01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:00.359
<v Speaker 1>trade with Mediterranean people, and I'm gonna get into that.

1956
01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:05.960
<v Speaker 8>So because there is evidence of long distance trade, including

1957
01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:10.840
<v Speaker 8>Mediterranean shells and salt exports, complex burial sites.

1958
01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:11.279
<v Speaker 6>That kind of thing.

1959
01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>The gum Elite to culture.

1960
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:20.079
<v Speaker 8>They're known for finely decorated pottery and geometric and stylized motifs.

1961
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:25.720
<v Speaker 8>They lived in the in the same area Little Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia.

1962
01:41:26.199 --> 01:41:28.680
<v Speaker 8>The only difference is they didn't they didn't have all

1963
01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:34.880
<v Speaker 8>the blame that the varnergut. So just taking a look

1964
01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:41.159
<v Speaker 8>at of the calcolithic, the copper age so murders of

1965
01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:45.159
<v Speaker 8>the Varna culture forty six hundred BC, marking a shift

1966
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:51.039
<v Speaker 8>towards advanced metalworking and social complexity. Radiocarbon dating, which you

1967
01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.479
<v Speaker 8>can take with a grain of salt, dates the graves

1968
01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:57.800
<v Speaker 8>at the Varnon Necropolis and confirms the site's age within

1969
01:41:57.920 --> 01:41:58.640
<v Speaker 8>that period.

1970
01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:02.399
<v Speaker 1>The end of the barn Necropolis.

1971
01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:04.399
<v Speaker 8>Hust was to say, we around forty two hundred BC,

1972
01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:09.600
<v Speaker 8>after which the site was abandoned or evolved, which is typical.

1973
01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Here's some of the blame. Let's take a look.

1974
01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.560
<v Speaker 8>More than three thousand gold items were found, weighing over

1975
01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:20.000
<v Speaker 8>six kilos six kilos of gold.

1976
01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:20.439
<v Speaker 5>Damn.

1977
01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh that there's a there's a site. It's

1978
01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:27.439
<v Speaker 1>called Grave forty three.

1979
01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:30.640
<v Speaker 8>I don't know if you want to relate that to

1980
01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:33.239
<v Speaker 8>Pillar forty three if you want, But the dude had

1981
01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:35.039
<v Speaker 8>a unique gold penis.

1982
01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Sheath, which I thought was interesting and not not surprising.

1983
01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:42.279
<v Speaker 5>It sounds painful.

1984
01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:45.319
<v Speaker 8>Well, I think they just I just think they just

1985
01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:47.640
<v Speaker 8>slid it on there at the end after he died

1986
01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:52.000
<v Speaker 8>and just like you know, show everyone he was bawling,

1987
01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:52.359
<v Speaker 8>you know.

1988
01:42:52.359 --> 01:43:01.960
<v Speaker 12>What I mean, Like Gomember, Yeah, ties it ties to Gildamesh, right,

1989
01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:04.239
<v Speaker 12>you know, because if you're talking about the pillar and

1990
01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:07.800
<v Speaker 12>then the penis sheath, my mind goes to the epica Gildamesh.

1991
01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:11.119
<v Speaker 10>You know, Graham recently put out that interpretation about stuff

1992
01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:13.000
<v Speaker 10>he'd found in the Middle East, right being the straight

1993
01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:15.920
<v Speaker 10>Guildeameshi and the guys they're holding his penis, you know,

1994
01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:19.039
<v Speaker 10>because in that story, God or whoever is telling GigaMesh

1995
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:23.039
<v Speaker 10>that the your penis, which you find so much delight in,

1996
01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:25.840
<v Speaker 10>will soon be food for the worms, you know, So

1997
01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:28.079
<v Speaker 10>turn your heart to more everlasting things.

1998
01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's beautiful, that's beautiful.

1999
01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:36.640
<v Speaker 6>Some of the go ahead, David, you go, you go.

2000
01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, in some of the

2001
01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:43.039
<v Speaker 2>text with mash and named Keto, they had a sexual relationship.

2002
01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:48.880
<v Speaker 6>Some people believe that m so they were more It

2003
01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:50.279
<v Speaker 6>was just together a lot.

2004
01:43:57.560 --> 01:44:01.119
<v Speaker 8>So during that little interlude for me, I did look

2005
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:07.079
<v Speaker 8>up Ricardo's question, and there are local deposits of gold

2006
01:44:07.720 --> 01:44:12.600
<v Speaker 8>in the Balkan rivers with high purity of twenty three

2007
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:15.680
<v Speaker 8>point five to twenty four carrots, which is what we're

2008
01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:17.760
<v Speaker 8>dealing with in these in these.

2009
01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>These artifacts.

2010
01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:26.560
<v Speaker 8>So it suggests just simple panning and hammering, as well

2011
01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:28.600
<v Speaker 8>as as we mentioned, possible.

2012
01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:31.000
<v Speaker 5>Trade shaping, so we mean it's gold shaping.

2013
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:37.119
<v Speaker 8>Right, yeah, possible trade with gold rich from people from

2014
01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:43.560
<v Speaker 8>Romania or Thrace and just rudimentary gathering from local veins.

2015
01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:45.560
<v Speaker 8>No evidence of advanced mining.

2016
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:46.479
<v Speaker 13>So there you go.

2017
01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:52.399
<v Speaker 8>All right, you can see the penis sheath there, so

2018
01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:54.800
<v Speaker 8>let's just all look at this dude's peenus sheath for

2019
01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:55.319
<v Speaker 8>a second.

2020
01:44:56.039 --> 01:44:59.319
<v Speaker 5>Oh god, no podcast is complete without one of those.

2021
01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:01.319
<v Speaker 6>Correct, So the.

2022
01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Mummified Russell Brand had a pints sheath? Oh my god, Yeah,

2023
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:06.479
<v Speaker 1>that's sure, didn't you know what?

2024
01:45:08.319 --> 01:45:12.399
<v Speaker 8>I wouldn't be surprised if he he mummified himself anyway

2025
01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:13.800
<v Speaker 8>when he's gone.

2026
01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:16.279
<v Speaker 1>And he does have a penis sheath, so I hope

2027
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>he does. He wouldn't surprise.

2028
01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:20.640
<v Speaker 10>Keep that shit from happening again, wouldn't it.

2029
01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:22.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

2030
01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he was approximately forty to forty five. I

2031
01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:28.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't I tried to find like.

2032
01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:32.119
<v Speaker 8>Evidence of like like a like a violent death, like

2033
01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:36.199
<v Speaker 8>battle or anything. I didn't find one, not nothing obvious.

2034
01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:39.600
<v Speaker 8>But everyone back there back then had broken this and

2035
01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:45.680
<v Speaker 8>fractured that. He was relatively tall for that time, but

2036
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:50.359
<v Speaker 8>not super tall. There was also a bull shaped gold

2037
01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:53.960
<v Speaker 8>platelets symbolizing power and religious authority.

2038
01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Supposedly.

2039
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:02.239
<v Speaker 8>The interest thing about Varna is it reveals a clear

2040
01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:05.880
<v Speaker 8>social hierarchy like this this picture here, And I couldn't

2041
01:46:05.880 --> 01:46:07.600
<v Speaker 8>find a whole lot of pictures, so there might be

2042
01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:08.680
<v Speaker 8>some version of.

2043
01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>European nagra.

2044
01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:18.640
<v Speaker 8>But they some people were literally buried with you know, animals,

2045
01:46:18.680 --> 01:46:20.119
<v Speaker 8>and stuff just strewn about.

2046
01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Some people were buried separately with no stuff.

2047
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:28.760
<v Speaker 8>Some people were buried like Homeboy there with the penis

2048
01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:30.479
<v Speaker 8>gold penis, and.

2049
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:35.279
<v Speaker 1>So it shows clear social hierarchy with diverse burials.

2050
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:39.880
<v Speaker 8>Just a little about the Copper Age roughly five thousand

2051
01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:42.800
<v Speaker 8>to three thousand BC in Europe and near the Near East,

2052
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:47.800
<v Speaker 8>varying by region, transitional between the Neolithic and Bronze Age,

2053
01:46:48.319 --> 01:46:52.840
<v Speaker 8>marked by use of copper tools alongside stone implements early metallurgy.

2054
01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:58.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what Ricardo's getting at is it's

2055
01:46:58.600 --> 01:47:00.800
<v Speaker 1>not like these guys were like, you know.

2056
01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:05.840
<v Speaker 8>Smelting and doing all kinds of stuff, but it is metallurgy, right,

2057
01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:10.760
<v Speaker 8>and so it wasn't you know what you think of metallurgy,

2058
01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:15.039
<v Speaker 8>you know in the you know, seventeen hundreds or something

2059
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:17.680
<v Speaker 8>like that, right, But they were working.

2060
01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:21.039
<v Speaker 1>This metal and creating cool things that have it.

2061
01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:26.399
<v Speaker 8>So I just just quick comparison to low sites in

2062
01:47:26.439 --> 01:47:29.600
<v Speaker 8>the area around the same time as far as like

2063
01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:32.920
<v Speaker 8>what they had available. There's a site in Spain called

2064
01:47:33.039 --> 01:47:35.920
<v Speaker 8>Los Malaris thirty two hundred to twenty two hundred BC,

2065
01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:41.159
<v Speaker 8>so a little over a thousand years after Varna, and

2066
01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:44.279
<v Speaker 8>it's associated with the Beaker culture when those guys spread

2067
01:47:44.520 --> 01:47:50.760
<v Speaker 8>copper and bronze technology all across Europe. The site in

2068
01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:56.359
<v Speaker 8>Spain had pottery, copper tools, Beaker pottery showing trade and cultural.

2069
01:47:56.119 --> 01:47:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Exchange, but no metal like that.

2070
01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:01.159
<v Speaker 5>No gold, is that it?

2071
01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

2072
01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:02.000
<v Speaker 13>Yeah?

2073
01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>No gold? Yeah? Correct, This is a timeline.

2074
01:48:08.079 --> 01:48:09.880
<v Speaker 8>I know this might be on order, but that's okay.

2075
01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:11.880
<v Speaker 8>And I think you seem to get rid of these

2076
01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:15.479
<v Speaker 8>pro tip things pissing me off. But I don't know

2077
01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:18.960
<v Speaker 8>if you guys can see that. But here we go,

2078
01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:21.359
<v Speaker 8>start going back, going back, all right, yeah we can

2079
01:48:21.439 --> 01:48:21.800
<v Speaker 8>see them.

2080
01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>It's okay.

2081
01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:27.119
<v Speaker 8>Varna timeline compared to Mesopotamia and other ancient sites like Egypt,

2082
01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:32.640
<v Speaker 8>Varna had active skilled metallurgy and rich burials from forty

2083
01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:37.800
<v Speaker 8>six hundred BC. Compared to Mesopotamia thirty five hundred BC,

2084
01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:41.640
<v Speaker 8>that's when they had the rise of urban centers. Thirty

2085
01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:46.199
<v Speaker 8>one hundred BC is a unification of Egypt. So just

2086
01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:51.239
<v Speaker 8>just to show cuneiform tablets consumer three thousand BC. Construction

2087
01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:54.319
<v Speaker 8>of the step pyramid by Jovese of twenty six hundred BC.

2088
01:48:54.680 --> 01:49:00.439
<v Speaker 8>So Varna was doing this complex social hierarchy and metallurgy. Uh,

2089
01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:06.960
<v Speaker 8>early metallurgy thousands of years before these sites, if we're

2090
01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:11.720
<v Speaker 8>going by the mainstream narrative, Ricardo, that's so wow.

2091
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I think so so similarly that that was out of order.

2092
01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:22.000
<v Speaker 8>But yeah, in copper Age Turkey seven seventy so in

2093
01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:25.359
<v Speaker 8>Anatolia in the date seventy five hundred and fifty seven

2094
01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:28.039
<v Speaker 8>hundred BC, so a little bit older than Varna, they

2095
01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:32.039
<v Speaker 8>had copper tools, polychrome wall paintings, and mud brick houses.

2096
01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:36.680
<v Speaker 8>They had large organized settlements with intricate wall paintings.

2097
01:49:36.279 --> 01:49:37.000
<v Speaker 6>And that kind of thing.

2098
01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:38.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's not unheard of to.

2099
01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:43.199
<v Speaker 8>Have like social hierarchies and stuff like that before that,

2100
01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:45.800
<v Speaker 8>but there was there wasn't.

2101
01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:48.920
<v Speaker 1>A whole lot of like burials that like were like

2102
01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:49.600
<v Speaker 1>all right, this.

2103
01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:53.760
<v Speaker 8>Dude is important and this plate is important, and these

2104
01:49:53.840 --> 01:50:00.840
<v Speaker 8>ones aren't that kind of thing, so keep going. So

2105
01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:08.720
<v Speaker 8>this is just comparing gold work in the timelines Varna

2106
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<v Speaker 8>versus Sumerian early Egypt, the Old Kingdom Egypt, Minoan crete

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<v Speaker 8>and Celtic gold and my sinny in Greece. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>not gonna like read this whole thing off, but you

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01:50:22.720 --> 01:50:29.880
<v Speaker 8>can see for yourself that there was a bunch of

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01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:36.960
<v Speaker 8>cultures in that area doing work with gold, but not

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<v Speaker 8>as early as Varna.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as we know.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'm gonna let's see if I can. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 8>this is just just switching some screen shares here. This

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<v Speaker 8>is Sumerian stuff. Just we're going to compare what we

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01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:55.199
<v Speaker 8>see to Varna. This is old Kingdom Egypt.

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<v Speaker 5>Could you go back one?

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01:50:57.520 --> 01:50:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, is the sixth one on the top, counting from

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<v Speaker 5>the left Sumerian?

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01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not? I mean I just just a quick Google search.

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<v Speaker 8>Notice I just typed out, so it might not might

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01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:18.439
<v Speaker 8>not all be just just showing your quick comparison.

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01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Old Egypt. Here my Sinnian gold.

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01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:30.840
<v Speaker 5>Work, the famous the famous face.

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01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:39.840
<v Speaker 8>Yep, the Mochi culture or however even say that. And

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01:51:40.359 --> 01:51:45.159
<v Speaker 8>this one is interesting, that Tumaku la Tolita gold work.

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01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:47.399
<v Speaker 8>And I have to go back to my grock to

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01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:51.600
<v Speaker 8>uh tell you guys about that, because I just learned

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01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:54.039
<v Speaker 8>about them this morning after I put in put together

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01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:54.880
<v Speaker 8>this presentation.

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01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:58.039
<v Speaker 1>But like, what do you notice about some of these

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01:51:58.119 --> 01:52:00.880
<v Speaker 1>some of this gold work from let me go back here.

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<v Speaker 6>It's funny you bring up gold, and I'll say this

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01:52:05.239 --> 01:52:06.560
<v Speaker 6>because sorry, real.

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<v Speaker 8>Quick, tron, this is the tumacolita. And then yet please

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01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:12.079
<v Speaker 8>talk while I find.

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01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh what I was looking for?

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01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I was reading this. I think it's from

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01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Robert Alter, if I'm not mistaken. He translates the Hebrew

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01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:26.880
<v Speaker 2>texts and in this book, and I'll.

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01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:28.199
<v Speaker 6>Have to go and look for it. I'll look for

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01:52:28.279 --> 01:52:28.720
<v Speaker 6>it after this.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the book he says the number six sixty

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01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:38.000
<v Speaker 2>six first comes up when this representation for gold, mm hm, s.

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01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:44.359
<v Speaker 7>Six six six thattches a tifferiate on the cabalistic trio

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01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:45.920
<v Speaker 7>life which gold is associated with.

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01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:47.880
<v Speaker 13>That's as well, m M.

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<v Speaker 9>I was gonna say, Nick, what do you have to

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01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:51.119
<v Speaker 9>say about that?

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01:52:51.560 --> 01:52:54.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, see the correlations right there.

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01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:57.199
<v Speaker 2>And he and and I want to say it was

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01:52:57.359 --> 01:53:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Robert Alter, but he has he has a book series

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01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:06.199
<v Speaker 2>that he has translated the Hebrew text on the bottom

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01:53:06.279 --> 01:53:09.039
<v Speaker 2>of it in the sections literally says sixty sixty six

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01:53:09.199 --> 01:53:12.479
<v Speaker 2>is the first representation of gold Bible.

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01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:16.760
<v Speaker 5>Any explanation for that affirmation?

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01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:20.079
<v Speaker 10>Do? What?

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01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:23.279
<v Speaker 5>Does he present? Any explanation why he says it?

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01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:26.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I have to go back and look at it.

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01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:27.960
<v Speaker 6>I have to rather books.

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01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:30.199
<v Speaker 10>It makes sense since the topic I brought up, It

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01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:32.840
<v Speaker 10>makes sense in an intrinsic level. I think if you

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01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:35.840
<v Speaker 10>look at revelation. Why they throw it in sixty sixty six? Right,

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01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:37.800
<v Speaker 10>the mark of the beasts. Well, what's wrong with this

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01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:38.680
<v Speaker 10>place as a whole?

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01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Right now?

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01:53:39.399 --> 01:53:44.399
<v Speaker 10>It's embracing of material culture, right, gold is the ultimate

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01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:47.399
<v Speaker 10>sign of material culture. So I think that rings a

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01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:47.920
<v Speaker 10>bit of truth.

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01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Man, Yeah, I do too.

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01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:57.319
<v Speaker 8>And uh we're just showing little comparisons. But these Tuma

2173
01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:01.479
<v Speaker 8>Lattalita gold work stuff, it's pretty old and it's pretty

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01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:02.840
<v Speaker 8>uh pretty good.

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01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty interesting stuff.

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01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:10.920
<v Speaker 5>Very fine work on those on those ramifications there second at.

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01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:16.199
<v Speaker 1>The end there we go. I was was wondering if

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01:54:16.199 --> 01:54:17.439
<v Speaker 1>anybody would notice.

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01:54:17.199 --> 01:54:22.199
<v Speaker 10>That some alien faces and so on, a lot of

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01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:24.560
<v Speaker 10>familiar with a lot of South America, and just I

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01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:27.279
<v Speaker 10>see influences on a lot of these pieces. Are not influences,

2182
01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:28.960
<v Speaker 10>but you know what I mean, it echoes it.

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<v Speaker 8>Well I'm glad you said that, because that's where I

2184
01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:35.640
<v Speaker 8>was going with this, is that this is the earliest

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01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:39.920
<v Speaker 8>gold gold work in South America and it's from it.

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01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:50.119
<v Speaker 8>These guys were from Columbia area, so uh yeah, I'm

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01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:57.199
<v Speaker 8>finding Columbian Ecuador and uh it's uh, I just I

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01:54:57.279 --> 01:55:00.479
<v Speaker 8>just find that interesting. So approximately thirty six one hundred

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01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:01.640
<v Speaker 8>to four thousand years.

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01:55:03.319 --> 01:55:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Uh, so they're they're there. These are old for South America.

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01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.439
<v Speaker 8>By the way, you guys will find that South America's

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01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:15.479
<v Speaker 8>gold work is like way newer, that falls in line

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01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:19.119
<v Speaker 8>with younger driest hypothesis and things like that.

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01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:21.560
<v Speaker 10>So the stuff I'm looking at, it's not the same

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01:55:21.680 --> 01:55:23.560
<v Speaker 10>timeline as the Varna culture.

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01:55:24.239 --> 01:55:26.479
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not even It's it's literally in South America.

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01:55:27.199 --> 01:55:29.119
<v Speaker 10>Right. I knew that, I just had. I didn't catch

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01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:31.000
<v Speaker 10>the date of this stuff, I guess as compared to

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<v Speaker 10>the Varna.

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01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:34.279
<v Speaker 8>I'm sorry, it's it's it's much older. And we'll get

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01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:35.960
<v Speaker 8>it's much newer, I mean, and we'll get get it.

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01:55:36.079 --> 01:55:36.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that.

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01:55:37.079 --> 01:55:37.680
<v Speaker 10>Okay, thank you.

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01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:41.039
<v Speaker 5>The question, the question I will make is you can

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01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:45.640
<v Speaker 5>make anything with this material, right, Why do this that

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01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:48.800
<v Speaker 5>we are seeing? I think that's the question. Why why

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01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:53.199
<v Speaker 5>create these shapes, these images? From all the things they

2208
01:55:53.239 --> 01:55:55.840
<v Speaker 5>could do, Why these shapes? And why do we see

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01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:58.640
<v Speaker 5>repeat it the same kind of motifs everywhere?

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01:56:00.560 --> 01:56:03.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I just think it's likely because there was a

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01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:07.680
<v Speaker 8>global civilization at one time that was connecting all this shit.

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01:56:08.239 --> 01:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and.

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01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:17.600
<v Speaker 8>It's hard to say whether these people were you know,

2214
01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:20.279
<v Speaker 8>interconnected at the time that they made this stuff, but

2215
01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:25.000
<v Speaker 8>they were likely interconnected by myths and stories and stuff

2216
01:56:25.079 --> 01:56:27.720
<v Speaker 8>like that and some symbolism.

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01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:29.640
<v Speaker 10>At some point. Right, And if we're all talking about

2218
01:56:29.640 --> 01:56:31.720
<v Speaker 10>a diffuse culture, I mean, wherever put it in the

2219
01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:33.560
<v Speaker 10>Atlantic or it doesn't matter anyone on Earth.

2220
01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:35.319
<v Speaker 1>After its destroyed, folks would.

2221
01:56:35.079 --> 01:56:37.479
<v Speaker 10>Fan out in whatever direction they fucking could.

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01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:37.800
<v Speaker 6>Right.

2223
01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:42.800
<v Speaker 8>The Celts were making gold stuff in five hundred BC,

2224
01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:47.239
<v Speaker 8>which I thought was interesting, but these Varna guys were

2225
01:56:47.319 --> 01:56:51.319
<v Speaker 8>doing it much older. I'm open to the possibility, as

2226
01:56:51.439 --> 01:56:55.600
<v Speaker 8>Ricardo mentioned that they may have foundled some of this stuff, right,

2227
01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:01.880
<v Speaker 8>if there's no evidence of like anything besides just pounding

2228
01:57:02.359 --> 01:57:06.079
<v Speaker 8>and you know, shaping and whatnot.

2229
01:57:07.319 --> 01:57:10.439
<v Speaker 1>So like the Egyptian base is sort.

2230
01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:16.680
<v Speaker 8>Of yeah, yeah, And so I'm just just just look

2231
01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:18.039
<v Speaker 8>at what they're We're going to take a look at

2232
01:57:18.039 --> 01:57:22.439
<v Speaker 8>their trade network. So they were in like having pretty

2233
01:57:22.560 --> 01:57:26.319
<v Speaker 8>advanced trade networks with areas in the Black Sea, the Mediterranean,

2234
01:57:26.520 --> 01:57:32.840
<v Speaker 8>Agean and this on the right here just this is

2235
01:57:32.920 --> 01:57:36.640
<v Speaker 8>based off of carrots and similar sites. I mentioned Los

2236
01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:37.760
<v Speaker 8>Malaris earlier.

2237
01:57:38.520 --> 01:57:40.239
<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a look at talhamugar.

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01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:43.840
<v Speaker 8>And however, you say that one Calhya and Turkey here

2239
01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:44.680
<v Speaker 8>in a second.

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<v Speaker 10>But.

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01:57:46.920 --> 01:57:50.760
<v Speaker 8>Similar sites, we're doing stuff with metal, but not nearly

2242
01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:54.800
<v Speaker 8>as well. And this and again this is just a

2243
01:57:55.039 --> 01:57:59.600
<v Speaker 8>visual representation of how much further Barnet was ahead and how.

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01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Much that they were the back in time than some

2245
01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of these similar sites in the area.

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01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:11.199
<v Speaker 8>And they also traded rock salt with in with uh

2247
01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:16.600
<v Speaker 8>in spondalous shells with civilizations in the Mediterranean, so you'll

2248
01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:18.640
<v Speaker 8>see that. And they found a lot of evidence like

2249
01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:21.479
<v Speaker 8>that at the Necropolis, which is cool.

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01:58:24.399 --> 01:58:25.399
<v Speaker 4>So this is it.

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01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:27.640
<v Speaker 1>This is interesting to me.

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01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:31.600
<v Speaker 8>Unique aspects of Varna is the site provides early clear

2253
01:58:31.640 --> 01:58:36.680
<v Speaker 8>evidence of social classes in prehistoric Europe, marked by distinct

2254
01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:42.159
<v Speaker 8>grave goods indicating status differences. One dude was buried with

2255
01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:45.279
<v Speaker 8>over one point five kilograms of gold, including a scepter

2256
01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:52.039
<v Speaker 8>and the penis thing, and uh women were generally buried

2257
01:58:52.079 --> 01:58:54.760
<v Speaker 8>in like the fetal position. I think that's on my

2258
01:58:54.880 --> 01:58:59.199
<v Speaker 8>next live But that show that's interesting to me. I mean,

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01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:00.880
<v Speaker 8>what do you guys think that shows.

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01:59:03.960 --> 01:59:06.039
<v Speaker 9>Could it could be interpreted in lots of ways?

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01:59:06.119 --> 01:59:10.520
<v Speaker 10>Actually yeah, yeah, well the fetal position at least, you know,

2262
01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:12.640
<v Speaker 10>when we take it is often in the forms of

2263
01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:16.880
<v Speaker 10>being held, being cuddled or being protected.

2264
01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:22.079
<v Speaker 9>The fetal position is quite literally the position of a

2265
01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:23.439
<v Speaker 9>fetus right.

2266
01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:26.520
<v Speaker 5>As you born, as you are born as that's right.

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01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:27.119
<v Speaker 6>Right, women.

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01:59:27.439 --> 01:59:29.920
<v Speaker 9>Women are the vessel of that delivery.

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01:59:31.720 --> 01:59:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.

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01:59:32.720 --> 01:59:36.039
<v Speaker 8>And one interesting thing, the last thing I'll touch on

2271
01:59:36.119 --> 01:59:38.840
<v Speaker 8>this slide is that the gold artifacts from Barnet outnumbered

2272
01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:42.760
<v Speaker 8>in that way those from contemporary sites in Mesopotamia and Egypt.

2273
01:59:42.920 --> 01:59:48.720
<v Speaker 8>So they had more gold artifacts from forty six hundred

2274
01:59:48.800 --> 01:59:51.479
<v Speaker 8>BC than Mesopotamia.

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01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:53.079
<v Speaker 1>And Egypt did, which is weird.

2276
01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:53.359
<v Speaker 10>Right.

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01:59:54.359 --> 01:59:54.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

2278
01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:58.239
<v Speaker 5>Regarding the last point, I would say, how did they

2279
01:59:58.319 --> 02:00:02.399
<v Speaker 5>knew what the fetal was? Is it because he's a

2280
02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:05.520
<v Speaker 5>small space and the baby has to be curled, or

2281
02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:07.960
<v Speaker 5>did they actually know how the fetal position was.

2282
02:00:08.640 --> 02:00:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they didn't even call it the fetal position.

2283
02:00:12.079 --> 02:00:14.760
<v Speaker 5>No, they didn't, for sure, that's our interpretation. But I

2284
02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.439
<v Speaker 5>mean the position in itself.

2285
02:00:17.600 --> 02:00:20.720
<v Speaker 10>Well, let's be honest, we've seen plenty of examples from

2286
02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:24.079
<v Speaker 10>the Phoenicians or whatever of infant slaughter, you know, to

2287
02:00:24.239 --> 02:00:28.840
<v Speaker 10>bless sale, the sailing or the expedition. So I mean,

2288
02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:30.960
<v Speaker 10>if you're cutting them out, you know what position they're in.

2289
02:00:31.199 --> 02:00:35.520
<v Speaker 10>Just to be brutal for a minute, Yeah, it's true.

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02:00:37.159 --> 02:00:41.279
<v Speaker 8>So the Warner culture settlements possess salt artifacts linked to

2291
02:00:41.640 --> 02:00:45.319
<v Speaker 8>can't pronounce that, but that's inland of So they had

2292
02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:51.000
<v Speaker 8>inland trade routes as well as spondalous shells source from

2293
02:00:51.039 --> 02:00:55.560
<v Speaker 8>the Mediterranean. We're found in grades and settlements. Both typically

2294
02:00:55.600 --> 02:00:58.840
<v Speaker 8>symbolized luxury and social status in the Mediterranean. And they

2295
02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:02.399
<v Speaker 8>think the Varner did that based on how and who

2296
02:01:02.479 --> 02:01:06.960
<v Speaker 8>got buried with them mh. But it confirms long distance

2297
02:01:07.039 --> 02:01:10.640
<v Speaker 8>trade routes connecting Varna with the Mediterranean cultures.

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02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Which which I think is interesting.

2299
02:01:14.279 --> 02:01:18.239
<v Speaker 8>And so when we look at this, Varna is up

2300
02:01:18.319 --> 02:01:21.880
<v Speaker 8>here on the top right, whereas Bulgaria right next to

2301
02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:26.079
<v Speaker 8>the Black Sea. So in order to trade with the

2302
02:01:26.199 --> 02:01:30.000
<v Speaker 8>Mediterranean and and and areas in the age and see,

2303
02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:36.560
<v Speaker 8>you would need like probably advanced river travel and all

2304
02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:40.720
<v Speaker 8>kinds of things. And then this bondalous shells as found

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02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:44.000
<v Speaker 8>like all over the southern coast of the Mediterranean. And

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02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:48.600
<v Speaker 8>uh so my point is is they would have it

2307
02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:53.239
<v Speaker 8>was it was a advanced trade network. They were getting

2308
02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.680
<v Speaker 8>these shells from very far away and getting salt from

2309
02:01:56.800 --> 02:02:00.600
<v Speaker 8>very far inland, and I think that's I think that's

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02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:05.159
<v Speaker 8>cool because you think about like uh forty six hundred BC.

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02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:09.920
<v Speaker 8>You know what kind of what you would have to do,

2312
02:02:10.439 --> 02:02:14.399
<v Speaker 8>Uh what the logistics involved, the danger and all that thing,

2313
02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:16.520
<v Speaker 8>all that stuff to make these trades.

2314
02:02:18.119 --> 02:02:19.159
<v Speaker 1>It's just interesting to me.

2315
02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:24.479
<v Speaker 8>So and like I said, this Spondalius shell exchange included

2316
02:02:24.520 --> 02:02:27.800
<v Speaker 8>maritime paths along the mediterraaning coast and river corridors linking

2317
02:02:28.039 --> 02:02:33.760
<v Speaker 8>linking the Black Sea with Central Europe. So they were

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<v Speaker 8>they were doing some trade. This is my South American slide.

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<v Speaker 8>As you can see, Uh, South America is uh significant,

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<v Speaker 8>was slower to develop gold even though they had a

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02:02:51.479 --> 02:02:55.920
<v Speaker 8>shipload there. And if we were to speculate, what would

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02:02:55.960 --> 02:03:00.520
<v Speaker 8>we say? The reason for that is history selling this lie.

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02:03:02.720 --> 02:03:03.760
<v Speaker 4>And that lie is.

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02:03:06.079 --> 02:03:08.800
<v Speaker 5>That they were using gold much sooner. It's a matter

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<v Speaker 5>of dating.

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<v Speaker 8>Just yes, So what they're doing is they're connecting the

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02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:18.159
<v Speaker 8>gold that they find with these cultures.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, so.

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02:03:23.439 --> 02:03:28.880
<v Speaker 5>Say what gold lasts forever, so it could be much older, correct?

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<v Speaker 8>So what what we what we can then infer, right,

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02:03:33.439 --> 02:03:37.720
<v Speaker 8>is that like it's possible that the gold that these

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02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:44.439
<v Speaker 8>cultures they found with these cultures maybe wasn't necessarily belonging

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02:03:44.520 --> 02:03:51.159
<v Speaker 8>to them they found it, right or uh, maybe these

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02:03:51.239 --> 02:03:55.000
<v Speaker 8>cultures are older than we thought. Now, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 8>subscribe to the younger, driest impact hypothesis or solar outbursts

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02:03:59.279 --> 02:04:02.119
<v Speaker 8>or whatever. There was a catastrophe around ten five hundred

2337
02:04:02.159 --> 02:04:06.319
<v Speaker 8>BC that wiped out that whatever culture that was, whether

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<v Speaker 8>it was Atlantis or whatever you want to call it, right.

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02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:12.319
<v Speaker 1>But it makes sense to me that.

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<v Speaker 8>Looking at this and then looking at the other timelines,

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02:04:18.399 --> 02:04:23.560
<v Speaker 8>that they would be slower to discover some of this

2342
02:04:23.680 --> 02:04:27.039
<v Speaker 8>stuff and start working with it in an advanced way

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02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:34.039
<v Speaker 8>because the evidence suggests that the major impact or air

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02:04:34.119 --> 02:04:41.079
<v Speaker 8>burst happened over North America, which means, you know, anything

2345
02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:44.880
<v Speaker 8>close to there got a later start. That's why Middle

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02:04:44.920 --> 02:04:48.520
<v Speaker 8>East and Africa got seemed to be so far advanced,

2347
02:04:48.680 --> 02:04:54.239
<v Speaker 8>so so much further back, right, And it's because of

2348
02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:59.399
<v Speaker 8>just below my opinion, because of the location of the

2349
02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:03.159
<v Speaker 8>you know, the catastrophe, right, and so.

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02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:05.560
<v Speaker 10>I think it could have also been that they were

2351
02:05:05.640 --> 02:05:09.319
<v Speaker 10>set up differently, you know, that's just uh, I wanted

2352
02:05:09.359 --> 02:05:11.720
<v Speaker 10>to chime in my opinion. I think you're right, you know,

2353
02:05:11.920 --> 02:05:14.760
<v Speaker 10>the diffusion would have happened differently. But I think there's

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02:05:14.800 --> 02:05:17.880
<v Speaker 10>a possibility when we look at native cultures, especially the

2355
02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:20.800
<v Speaker 10>mound builders, but but native in general, we see a

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02:05:20.920 --> 02:05:25.560
<v Speaker 10>much more well a simpler skywatching agricultural lifestyle, a different

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02:05:25.600 --> 02:05:28.840
<v Speaker 10>expression than we see happened over in the west, you know,

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02:05:28.960 --> 02:05:30.720
<v Speaker 10>so I think that's a possibility as well.

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02:05:31.720 --> 02:05:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is, and it's it could be both, right,

2360
02:05:35.600 --> 02:05:36.319
<v Speaker 1>could be could be.

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02:05:36.359 --> 02:05:39.199
<v Speaker 10>Both exactly as there's always the case and much of

2362
02:05:39.279 --> 02:05:41.399
<v Speaker 10>this it could be both. And that's why it's it's

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02:05:41.439 --> 02:05:41.880
<v Speaker 10>so fun.

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02:05:42.039 --> 02:05:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Man.

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02:05:42.720 --> 02:05:46.119
<v Speaker 8>Well we we we speculate, right, like right, you know

2366
02:05:46.600 --> 02:05:50.960
<v Speaker 8>any you know, it's hard to know what happened, you know,

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02:05:51.319 --> 02:05:55.000
<v Speaker 8>one hundred years ago versus right, So most of the

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02:05:55.119 --> 02:06:05.159
<v Speaker 8>time we're just speculating. Yeah, and so Ricardo sarn I

2369
02:06:05.199 --> 02:06:08.039
<v Speaker 8>thought you were going to say something. Yeah, so just

2370
02:06:08.119 --> 02:06:09.680
<v Speaker 8>just a little bit more about the trade route.

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02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:13.079
<v Speaker 10>It's default, Ricardo's interrupting, man, So you know, it's just

2372
02:06:13.960 --> 02:06:15.479
<v Speaker 10>either live up to your name or mute it.

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02:06:15.640 --> 02:06:19.000
<v Speaker 8>No, I can't see you guys while I'm doing this either,

2374
02:06:19.159 --> 02:06:24.399
<v Speaker 8>so it's all good. So this is just explaining that's

2375
02:06:24.479 --> 02:06:26.680
<v Speaker 8>Ai on the right, don't worry about that. But this

2376
02:06:26.720 --> 02:06:28.680
<v Speaker 8>is just explaining, uh more.

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02:06:28.520 --> 02:06:31.239
<v Speaker 1>About the trade route. And here's where we're.

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02:06:31.279 --> 02:06:35.159
<v Speaker 8>Talking about the female burial practices. Buried and fetal positions.

2379
02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:39.640
<v Speaker 8>Of course, the interpretation is contrasting with male burials reflecting

2380
02:06:39.720 --> 02:06:42.680
<v Speaker 8>gender role and possibly different social statuses or beliefs about

2381
02:06:42.720 --> 02:06:43.439
<v Speaker 8>life after.

2382
02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Life and death. And we can imply our own lens

2383
02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to that.

2384
02:06:49.319 --> 02:06:53.640
<v Speaker 8>But I like how you guys didn't apply immediately immediately

2385
02:06:53.720 --> 02:06:56.880
<v Speaker 8>imply a modern lens to that, because it could be

2386
02:06:56.960 --> 02:06:58.600
<v Speaker 8>interpreted in a lot of different ways.

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02:06:58.640 --> 02:07:03.439
<v Speaker 1>Like Jacqueline said, right, So.

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02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:09.760
<v Speaker 8>Some graves we had clay masks and contained nobodies, suggesting

2389
02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:12.800
<v Speaker 8>complex ritual practices. What do you guys think that means

2390
02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:15.319
<v Speaker 8>grave with nobody.

2391
02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:17.560
<v Speaker 9>Well, the body could be used for some other like

2392
02:07:18.399 --> 02:07:21.800
<v Speaker 9>ritual practice. So in lieu of a body or if

2393
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:23.119
<v Speaker 9>somebody was lost in like.

2394
02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:24.880
<v Speaker 10>Or in a battle.

2395
02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:29.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know we do that.

2396
02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:31.479
<v Speaker 5>Now, we do do that.

2397
02:07:31.600 --> 02:07:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Now that's true. We will bear soldier at Arlington.

2398
02:07:35.239 --> 02:07:37.479
<v Speaker 9>You know, we bury empty coffins all the time.

2399
02:07:38.680 --> 02:07:44.399
<v Speaker 5>In Iberia. One of the most disturbing archaeological finds is

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02:07:44.720 --> 02:07:49.880
<v Speaker 5>we have hundreds and hundreds of shadow like graves that

2401
02:07:50.039 --> 02:07:55.720
<v Speaker 5>are too small for humans. They are sculpted as some

2402
02:07:55.960 --> 02:07:59.239
<v Speaker 5>of the rock carts, where you see a triangular shape

2403
02:07:59.279 --> 02:08:02.319
<v Speaker 5>of the body the circle pretending to be the head,

2404
02:08:03.239 --> 02:08:07.000
<v Speaker 5>and they carved it on the bedrock, so there's no lid.

2405
02:08:08.239 --> 02:08:11.079
<v Speaker 5>And then when they were excavating from Roman and past

2406
02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:13.199
<v Speaker 5>the Roman layer and starting to go to the bedrock,

2407
02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:17.359
<v Speaker 5>they found the bedrock with hundreds of these kinds of

2408
02:08:18.279 --> 02:08:21.039
<v Speaker 5>graves concentrate that you can't even walk in there because

2409
02:08:21.039 --> 02:08:25.760
<v Speaker 5>it's a minefield of holes, and they can't understand what

2410
02:08:25.880 --> 02:08:28.359
<v Speaker 5>they're for. They keep saying that, oh, we find bones

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02:08:28.439 --> 02:08:29.760
<v Speaker 5>from the seventeenth century.

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02:08:29.800 --> 02:08:31.840
<v Speaker 10>In some of that sounds like a memorial to a

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02:08:31.960 --> 02:08:34.920
<v Speaker 10>lot of deaths, you know, like a catastrophic event of

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02:08:35.000 --> 02:08:35.439
<v Speaker 10>some sort.

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02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:38.800
<v Speaker 5>But it's the shape of how they configure it, so

2416
02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:44.079
<v Speaker 5>like this very long triangle that is round that narrow

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02:08:44.239 --> 02:08:48.159
<v Speaker 5>point and with the circular for the head supposedly right.

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02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:51.800
<v Speaker 10>Well, if you're saying it's echoing the cave representations, right,

2419
02:08:51.920 --> 02:08:53.760
<v Speaker 10>and then then we could see that as a carved

2420
02:08:53.840 --> 02:08:56.880
<v Speaker 10>effigy of human beings, you know, So that would indicate

2421
02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:59.439
<v Speaker 10>a large amount of deaths where there were no bodies left.

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02:09:00.000 --> 02:09:02.119
<v Speaker 5>But you can't walk there, and if and you can't

2423
02:09:02.119 --> 02:09:04.359
<v Speaker 5>put even if you put the bones there, it would

2424
02:09:04.359 --> 02:09:07.000
<v Speaker 5>be crowded because some of them are really too small

2425
02:09:07.760 --> 02:09:10.960
<v Speaker 5>for even in a fetal position. You need a very

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02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:14.199
<v Speaker 5>small child to fit in that. And because it's conical,

2427
02:09:14.600 --> 02:09:16.840
<v Speaker 5>there is no place for the feet then, and you

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02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:19.840
<v Speaker 5>can't twist the body or anything. So I just pointing

2429
02:09:19.880 --> 02:09:24.279
<v Speaker 5>this because of the east pointing of the grade. Ye sure,

2430
02:09:24.319 --> 02:09:26.520
<v Speaker 5>and you can't walk in there. You can go from

2431
02:09:27.079 --> 02:09:29.560
<v Speaker 5>from hole to hole in the ground, from carved drop

2432
02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:32.359
<v Speaker 5>to carve drop because they are all connected with one another.

2433
02:09:32.520 --> 02:09:35.800
<v Speaker 5>So it's and now you have an entire village built

2434
02:09:35.840 --> 02:09:37.600
<v Speaker 5>on top of it. But when you start digging and

2435
02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:39.720
<v Speaker 5>past the Roman they found this, and no one knows

2436
02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:41.880
<v Speaker 5>what they're Okay, they act always say they know that

2437
02:09:42.000 --> 02:09:46.640
<v Speaker 5>it's it's it's for bone depositation, but no bones were

2438
02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:49.840
<v Speaker 5>found in them unless from around the eighteenth century some

2439
02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:53.399
<v Speaker 5>monks have found it when they're digging and probably put

2440
02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:56.760
<v Speaker 5>some bones into it and put dirt on top of it. Again,

2441
02:09:58.800 --> 02:09:59.439
<v Speaker 5>it's intriguing.

2442
02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is intriguing, and I want to look into

2443
02:10:02.159 --> 02:10:09.439
<v Speaker 1>that more. Yeah, please. Yeah. So this is again.

2444
02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:13.640
<v Speaker 8>I think we do this a lot in archaeology, but

2445
02:10:13.720 --> 02:10:17.399
<v Speaker 8>we put our own lens onto things, and we tend

2446
02:10:17.479 --> 02:10:22.039
<v Speaker 8>to say that everything is about religion and spirituality, and

2447
02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:22.840
<v Speaker 8>sometimes it is.

2448
02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, but.

2449
02:10:25.920 --> 02:10:29.239
<v Speaker 8>For whatever the blacksmiths were held in super high regard

2450
02:10:29.319 --> 02:10:30.840
<v Speaker 8>in the Varna culture as well.

2451
02:10:32.279 --> 02:10:36.800
<v Speaker 10>And that makes sense, Yeah, it does.

2452
02:10:37.479 --> 02:10:40.920
<v Speaker 8>And we've got me thinking about what Tyrone was saying

2453
02:10:40.960 --> 02:10:48.600
<v Speaker 8>about the women being taught metallurgy and was it Mesopotamia or.

2454
02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:52.560
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2455
02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:55.760
<v Speaker 2>According to the Mesopotamian's metallurgy was given to the woman,

2456
02:10:55.960 --> 02:10:59.439
<v Speaker 2>just like in the Bible, how Eve the forbidden fruit,

2457
02:11:00.039 --> 02:11:03.479
<v Speaker 2>they gave them the tree of knowledge, you know, so,

2458
02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:07.760
<v Speaker 2>and the relationship between tree and knowledge is uh. You know,

2459
02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:10.840
<v Speaker 2>metallurgy can be used for good, for agricultural needs, but

2460
02:11:10.920 --> 02:11:13.640
<v Speaker 2>it can also be used for evil, which the destruction

2461
02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:14.159
<v Speaker 2>of the earth.

2462
02:11:15.079 --> 02:11:15.279
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

2463
02:11:15.439 --> 02:11:19.159
<v Speaker 5>And in Tales of Africa you'll find and I learned

2464
02:11:19.199 --> 02:11:24.359
<v Speaker 5>this recently that uh, they only allowed the women to mine,

2465
02:11:25.159 --> 02:11:28.359
<v Speaker 5>not the man. It was the women that did the mining,

2466
02:11:28.520 --> 02:11:31.479
<v Speaker 5>and they could only use copper tools. This is on

2467
02:11:31.600 --> 02:11:36.439
<v Speaker 5>their oral traditions. Why it's a mystery, but also the

2468
02:11:36.520 --> 02:11:37.439
<v Speaker 5>women again.

2469
02:11:39.239 --> 02:11:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're getting close to the end of my

2470
02:11:42.800 --> 02:11:48.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff here. But uh, they have a museum at the at.

2471
02:11:48.680 --> 02:11:55.159
<v Speaker 8>The barn and Acropolis and uh it's uh, it has

2472
02:11:55.680 --> 02:12:00.439
<v Speaker 8>limited maintenance. It has maintenance issues. It's only ordered by

2473
02:12:00.479 --> 02:12:04.079
<v Speaker 8>the Varnum municipality and EU funding. And I don't think

2474
02:12:04.880 --> 02:12:07.119
<v Speaker 8>the European Union has a whole lot of money or

2475
02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:10.000
<v Speaker 8>time to be spent on this kind of stuff at

2476
02:12:10.039 --> 02:12:11.039
<v Speaker 8>this particular time.

2477
02:12:12.840 --> 02:12:18.239
<v Speaker 1>But uh, it's it's it says this is interesting to me.

2478
02:12:18.359 --> 02:12:23.560
<v Speaker 8>Preservation efforts ensure the site's legacy continues to educate future generations.

2479
02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that not what they said about?

2480
02:12:27.600 --> 02:12:27.760
<v Speaker 11>Uh?

2481
02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:37.359
<v Speaker 8>Go Beckley Tepping mm hmm yep, And uh, preservation efforts, Like,

2482
02:12:37.479 --> 02:12:37.840
<v Speaker 8>what does.

2483
02:12:37.800 --> 02:12:38.800
<v Speaker 1>That mean to you guys?

2484
02:12:39.800 --> 02:12:40.199
<v Speaker 9>Efforts?

2485
02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:47.800
<v Speaker 5>Well, it can mean taking the artifacts and protecting the

2486
02:12:48.119 --> 02:12:51.640
<v Speaker 5>control environment, can mean putting dirt on top of it

2487
02:12:51.960 --> 02:12:57.279
<v Speaker 5>and hiding it with the excuse of it can use

2488
02:12:57.640 --> 02:13:01.920
<v Speaker 5>and it can be creative project that relate some money

2489
02:13:02.039 --> 02:13:05.880
<v Speaker 5>to the site itself so they can continue with the

2490
02:13:05.960 --> 02:13:08.359
<v Speaker 5>exploration without needing extra funding.

2491
02:13:09.880 --> 02:13:12.319
<v Speaker 10>They do leave it wide open for interpretation, don't they.

2492
02:13:12.439 --> 02:13:15.520
<v Speaker 10>They efforts damn.

2493
02:13:16.119 --> 02:13:18.079
<v Speaker 8>And that that's that's the point I was trying to

2494
02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:24.039
<v Speaker 8>make is usually this this stuff is open to interpretation,

2495
02:13:25.319 --> 02:13:32.359
<v Speaker 8>and uh, the interpretation is open so that like the narrative.

2496
02:13:32.039 --> 02:13:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Can be controlled.

2497
02:13:33.159 --> 02:13:37.840
<v Speaker 8>Typically it's usually like like like lawyer type people write

2498
02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:41.439
<v Speaker 8>this in a way that like, you know, you're you're

2499
02:13:41.479 --> 02:13:43.960
<v Speaker 8>not lying, but you're being.

2500
02:13:45.800 --> 02:13:51.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're just not being honest either, you know,

2501
02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and so lacking transparency.

2502
02:13:55.880 --> 02:13:59.119
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, And so it could be preservation efforts ensure

2503
02:13:59.159 --> 02:14:02.439
<v Speaker 8>the site's legacy continues to educate future generations. Could be

2504
02:14:02.479 --> 02:14:04.840
<v Speaker 8>a good thing, could be a bad thing. I think

2505
02:14:05.000 --> 02:14:07.920
<v Speaker 8>most of the time its sites like these, it's a

2506
02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:12.520
<v Speaker 8>good thing. But as Ricardo mentioned, it can be like

2507
02:14:12.920 --> 02:14:16.439
<v Speaker 8>you could, you could. It could mean a bunch of things, right.

2508
02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:18.720
<v Speaker 8>It could mean like, oh, we better hide this in

2509
02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:22.840
<v Speaker 8>a vault so no one sees it, or we better

2510
02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:26.920
<v Speaker 8>stop digging now because it screws with our narrative.

2511
02:14:26.720 --> 02:14:31.840
<v Speaker 9>Right, And so it seems to mean that more and

2512
02:14:32.000 --> 02:14:33.720
<v Speaker 9>more often these days.

2513
02:14:34.880 --> 02:14:37.760
<v Speaker 6>Correct, That's what. Yeah, that's why I say everybody.

2514
02:14:38.199 --> 02:14:42.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, if people find enough evidence to share their narrative,

2515
02:14:44.560 --> 02:14:47.560
<v Speaker 2>all they need is enough evidence they can grab from here,

2516
02:14:47.800 --> 02:14:49.920
<v Speaker 2>leave out a little bit of this, and boom. Yeah

2517
02:14:50.079 --> 02:14:52.920
<v Speaker 2>that's what the texts say. But you forget what the

2518
02:14:53.039 --> 02:14:55.760
<v Speaker 2>context meant. You forgot what to settle before that, you

2519
02:14:55.880 --> 02:14:58.159
<v Speaker 2>forgot the middle of it, you forgot the ending of it.

2520
02:14:58.760 --> 02:14:58.920
<v Speaker 10>You know.

2521
02:14:59.319 --> 02:15:03.159
<v Speaker 2>It's and that's why for me personally, I made it

2522
02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:05.479
<v Speaker 2>a point to show, Okay, this is what I have

2523
02:15:05.680 --> 02:15:07.880
<v Speaker 2>on hand right now, if you can show me better

2524
02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:10.439
<v Speaker 2>present it, and then I can go ahead and carry

2525
02:15:10.520 --> 02:15:13.159
<v Speaker 2>forth from that. Other than that, I'm stuck with only

2526
02:15:13.199 --> 02:15:15.159
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I have in front of me. And that's

2527
02:15:15.199 --> 02:15:17.119
<v Speaker 2>why when he was talking about you know, what was

2528
02:15:17.199 --> 02:15:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the oldest known manufactured of gold?

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02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:22.920
<v Speaker 6>I knew it started with a B. And that was

2530
02:15:23.000 --> 02:15:24.199
<v Speaker 6>the basic that I knew.

2531
02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I knew that all I needed to do if I

2532
02:15:26.399 --> 02:15:28.239
<v Speaker 2>needed to go do a quick reference was go to

2533
02:15:28.359 --> 02:15:31.600
<v Speaker 2>chatcipt or go to Google and say, hey, what is

2534
02:15:32.359 --> 02:15:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the oldest gold manufacturing place in the world that we

2535
02:15:35.399 --> 02:15:37.800
<v Speaker 2>know of? It started with a B and it will

2536
02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:39.800
<v Speaker 2>probably bring up so many different ones, and as soon

2537
02:15:39.840 --> 02:15:41.760
<v Speaker 2>as I see it with my own eyes because I've

2538
02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:43.680
<v Speaker 2>read it, I'll be like, oh, yeah, that's.

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02:15:43.520 --> 02:15:45.159
<v Speaker 6>The one that I've read. That's the one that I

2540
02:15:45.239 --> 02:15:46.199
<v Speaker 6>remember from. Yeah.

2541
02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:49.680
<v Speaker 8>So I want to show you guys that just like

2542
02:15:49.760 --> 02:15:53.439
<v Speaker 8>a less than two minute video. The sources from the

2543
02:15:54.840 --> 02:15:59.640
<v Speaker 8>US Money Reserve YouTube channel, So take with that what

2544
02:15:59.800 --> 02:16:03.600
<v Speaker 8>you want. But it's a it's a it's a compact

2545
02:16:04.119 --> 02:16:04.720
<v Speaker 8>short video.

2546
02:16:04.760 --> 02:16:06.199
<v Speaker 10>So you're showing us propaganda.

2547
02:16:06.279 --> 02:16:12.239
<v Speaker 5>Okay, yeah, man, right, that so we had a what

2548
02:16:12.359 --> 02:16:13.600
<v Speaker 5>you were receiving for doing this?

2549
02:16:14.119 --> 02:16:17.000
<v Speaker 8>Yes, I do, yes, But the reason I chose it

2550
02:16:17.119 --> 02:16:20.199
<v Speaker 8>was it's only ninety seconds and it gives us probably

2551
02:16:20.239 --> 02:16:23.600
<v Speaker 8>a little bit of propaganda as well as like a

2552
02:16:23.760 --> 02:16:26.600
<v Speaker 8>really nice look at like the exhibits and stuff like

2553
02:16:26.680 --> 02:16:28.720
<v Speaker 8>that and what they got going on there. So let

2554
02:16:28.760 --> 02:16:31.319
<v Speaker 8>me just take shortly plus someone to shout them out

2555
02:16:31.359 --> 02:16:34.040
<v Speaker 8>so that they don't demonetize this someday.

2556
02:16:36.840 --> 02:16:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Do look at that? Where's the occult reference in that?

2557
02:16:51.760 --> 02:16:52.120
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

2558
02:16:52.239 --> 02:16:54.120
<v Speaker 10>It looked like he was smoking a really large do

2559
02:16:54.399 --> 02:16:56.159
<v Speaker 10>he stuck on a pin like they used to do

2560
02:16:56.280 --> 02:16:57.120
<v Speaker 10>in the seventies?

2561
02:16:58.040 --> 02:16:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Is there a cult references here?

2562
02:17:00.280 --> 02:17:04.719
<v Speaker 5>It's ty sticky stick because it's type stick.

2563
02:17:06.360 --> 02:17:08.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about this US money Reserve symbol.

2564
02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:17.520
<v Speaker 5>Hmm, well, dex mars we'll have oh yeah, just thrown

2565
02:17:17.559 --> 02:17:18.040
<v Speaker 5>it out there.

2566
02:17:18.799 --> 02:17:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

2567
02:17:20.079 --> 02:17:24.920
<v Speaker 14>The Varna Necropolis is an ancient burial site located in Varna, Bulgaria.

2568
02:17:25.360 --> 02:17:28.479
<v Speaker 14>The site received mass notoriety after it was discovered in

2569
02:17:28.639 --> 02:17:34.000
<v Speaker 14>nineteen seventy two. After its partial excavation, archaeologists discovered over

2570
02:17:34.120 --> 02:17:37.479
<v Speaker 14>two hundred and ninety graves, many containing gold and other

2571
02:17:37.600 --> 02:17:42.440
<v Speaker 14>ancient treasures. Some of these items included sculpted mass weapon.

2572
02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:44.920
<v Speaker 8>So I just want to pause quick on this, Like,

2573
02:17:45.280 --> 02:17:48.440
<v Speaker 8>this is some cool shit that they were making, right,

2574
02:17:51.079 --> 02:17:54.319
<v Speaker 8>looks like is that a bull or a ram something

2575
02:17:54.440 --> 02:18:01.879
<v Speaker 8>bowl symbolism, I jewelry scepters.

2576
02:18:02.440 --> 02:18:05.520
<v Speaker 10>Looks like an ad laddle and a boomerang there in

2577
02:18:05.559 --> 02:18:05.959
<v Speaker 10>the middle.

2578
02:18:06.200 --> 02:18:12.159
<v Speaker 6>I mean, just all agricultural needs, right, right.

2579
02:18:12.600 --> 02:18:16.479
<v Speaker 10>Weapons of choice to take down the whatever was Roman inventin.

2580
02:18:17.840 --> 02:18:20.959
<v Speaker 10>The beads too, are just incredible, man, You're right, it's all.

2581
02:18:21.639 --> 02:18:25.159
<v Speaker 10>It's beautiful, very funny. These aren't folks on caves just

2582
02:18:25.280 --> 02:18:27.760
<v Speaker 10>you know, squatting and banging some gold or against the

2583
02:18:27.840 --> 02:18:30.399
<v Speaker 10>hot stone. I mean, you know, these folks have had

2584
02:18:30.479 --> 02:18:31.159
<v Speaker 10>some practice.

2585
02:18:31.200 --> 02:18:31.360
<v Speaker 4>Man.

2586
02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:32.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

2587
02:18:32.120 --> 02:18:35.840
<v Speaker 5>It looks like it is an eye illusion that there

2588
02:18:35.959 --> 02:18:39.479
<v Speaker 5>is glass between the thing that looks like a crucifix.

2589
02:18:40.280 --> 02:18:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's just an

2590
02:18:42.879 --> 02:18:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I illusion.

2591
02:18:43.639 --> 02:18:43.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

2592
02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:47.040
<v Speaker 10>It looks like a pipe, doesn't it, Yeah a little bit.

2593
02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

2594
02:18:48.719 --> 02:18:51.559
<v Speaker 5>I wonder why they said it at a park since

2595
02:18:51.600 --> 02:18:53.120
<v Speaker 5>they find all the pieces.

2596
02:18:54.319 --> 02:18:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I think this is my guess, but maybe.

2597
02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:02.959
<v Speaker 8>That there was like wood, a wooden rod in between,

2598
02:19:03.239 --> 02:19:04.760
<v Speaker 8>like that went through the whole thing.

2599
02:19:05.639 --> 02:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Together.

2600
02:19:06.559 --> 02:19:08.600
<v Speaker 5>That's observation. Yeah, that's what I'm guessing.

2601
02:19:09.879 --> 02:19:12.840
<v Speaker 1>But I thinks pretty bad ass.

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02:19:13.239 --> 02:19:16.959
<v Speaker 15>I like one of those things, right and golden bowl,

2603
02:19:17.799 --> 02:19:24.000
<v Speaker 15>yeah that the necklaces are are like you know rappers

2604
02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:25.120
<v Speaker 15>would be would love that.

2605
02:19:26.639 --> 02:19:27.920
<v Speaker 10>Well, that's a bank right there.

2606
02:19:28.079 --> 02:19:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Just take all the bead every time.

2607
02:19:29.520 --> 02:19:30.639
<v Speaker 10>You need to purchase something.

2608
02:19:30.879 --> 02:19:38.719
<v Speaker 16>They finally goldeth that ispens decorations and golden beads, pendants, necklaces,

2609
02:19:39.040 --> 02:19:44.000
<v Speaker 16>bracelets and pectorals, or armored breastplates used in combat. One

2610
02:19:44.120 --> 02:19:48.280
<v Speaker 16>specific grave, dubbed Grave forty three, contained more gold than

2611
02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:50.280
<v Speaker 16>what had been found in the rest of the world

2612
02:19:50.479 --> 02:19:53.200
<v Speaker 16>at the time of the discovery. The findings from the

2613
02:19:53.280 --> 02:19:56.959
<v Speaker 16>discovery denote one of the earliest instances of civilization and

2614
02:19:57.079 --> 02:20:01.879
<v Speaker 16>European history. Radiocarbon dating suggests that these grades are created

2615
02:20:01.959 --> 02:20:04.920
<v Speaker 16>around four thousand, five hundred and sixty nine to four

2616
02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:08.840
<v Speaker 16>three hundred and forty BC. That makes these items over

2617
02:20:09.000 --> 02:20:12.760
<v Speaker 16>six thousand years old. To this day, about thirty percent

2618
02:20:12.840 --> 02:20:16.280
<v Speaker 16>of Varna Necropolis has yet to be excavated, leading many

2619
02:20:16.360 --> 02:20:19.120
<v Speaker 16>to wonder what kind of ancient mysteries are waiting to

2620
02:20:19.200 --> 02:20:23.000
<v Speaker 16>be unearthed. Called all the number on your screen or

2621
02:20:23.040 --> 02:20:24.159
<v Speaker 16>click the bot gold.

2622
02:20:26.360 --> 02:20:29.120
<v Speaker 8>But yeah, I just wanted to show that quick. So

2623
02:20:29.239 --> 02:20:30.840
<v Speaker 8>what gives you a good look at the sites and

2624
02:20:30.840 --> 02:20:36.159
<v Speaker 8>stuff and better clear image. So we're getting close to

2625
02:20:36.239 --> 02:20:40.680
<v Speaker 8>the end here. You can go to this museum pretty easily.

2626
02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:44.600
<v Speaker 8>It's easily accessible to tourists. It's not that expensive to

2627
02:20:44.680 --> 02:20:47.360
<v Speaker 8>go to. It's right in the middle of the city.

2628
02:20:49.680 --> 02:20:54.520
<v Speaker 8>Guided tours and shit like that. So but oldest processed

2629
02:20:54.600 --> 02:20:58.520
<v Speaker 8>gold known to mankind as far as we know, based

2630
02:20:58.600 --> 02:21:01.440
<v Speaker 8>on the the siop narrative that.

2631
02:21:01.479 --> 02:21:05.719
<v Speaker 1>We've all been taught and so yeah, I just thought

2632
02:21:05.719 --> 02:21:07.920
<v Speaker 1>it was cool and I wanted to learn more about it.

2633
02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:11.520
<v Speaker 1>So I made a PowerPoint and uh, that's it.

2634
02:21:11.879 --> 02:21:15.520
<v Speaker 8>I did make a little some references, so YouTube doesn't

2635
02:21:15.559 --> 02:21:19.120
<v Speaker 8>demonetize me, but it's based on.

2636
02:21:19.360 --> 02:21:20.120
<v Speaker 5>Like that site.

2637
02:21:20.239 --> 02:21:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Just just for general discussion.

2638
02:21:24.079 --> 02:21:24.680
<v Speaker 4>What do you do?

2639
02:21:24.799 --> 02:21:26.719
<v Speaker 8>What do you feel like that means as far as

2640
02:21:28.159 --> 02:21:34.280
<v Speaker 8>what we know about human you know, civilization, human trading,

2641
02:21:35.479 --> 02:21:37.040
<v Speaker 8>that kind of thing. What Why do you feel like

2642
02:21:37.719 --> 02:21:40.719
<v Speaker 8>they that area had so much more gold, had so

2643
02:21:40.799 --> 02:21:43.760
<v Speaker 8>much more reverence for gold, and built so much gold

2644
02:21:43.799 --> 02:21:46.520
<v Speaker 8>ship compared to Egypt and Mesopotamia at the same time,

2645
02:21:46.559 --> 02:21:50.920
<v Speaker 8>who were further ahead in things like writing and things

2646
02:21:51.079 --> 02:21:53.159
<v Speaker 8>like math and stuff like that.

2647
02:21:55.520 --> 02:21:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, so I was saying this before a lot

2648
02:21:58.360 --> 02:22:00.520
<v Speaker 2>of women, or I tell a lot of people that

2649
02:22:00.680 --> 02:22:04.639
<v Speaker 2>women are the first mathematicians because they were mathematicians because

2650
02:22:04.680 --> 02:22:08.000
<v Speaker 2>they were the ones who can link up their cycles

2651
02:22:08.079 --> 02:22:10.559
<v Speaker 2>with the with the moon, and that was for them

2652
02:22:10.600 --> 02:22:15.280
<v Speaker 2>to tell certain days that it's shango bone. It's one

2653
02:22:15.319 --> 02:22:19.280
<v Speaker 2>of the oldest bones that that depicts that, and the

2654
02:22:19.399 --> 02:22:22.200
<v Speaker 2>date on that goes back you know, you know, different

2655
02:22:22.280 --> 02:22:24.840
<v Speaker 2>dates of course, but as far as I know, it's

2656
02:22:24.920 --> 02:22:27.159
<v Speaker 2>one of the oldest ways of telling you know, the

2657
02:22:27.280 --> 02:22:27.799
<v Speaker 2>cycles and.

2658
02:22:27.799 --> 02:22:28.399
<v Speaker 6>Stuff like that.

2659
02:22:29.040 --> 02:22:33.159
<v Speaker 2>So math, yeah, I always say math is you know, yeah,

2660
02:22:33.319 --> 02:22:35.639
<v Speaker 2>it is pretty wild because I always tell people, you

2661
02:22:35.719 --> 02:22:35.959
<v Speaker 2>know that.

2662
02:22:37.639 --> 02:22:38.399
<v Speaker 9>The the.

2663
02:22:40.399 --> 02:22:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Stupid idea that women are bad in math and that

2664
02:22:42.879 --> 02:22:45.719
<v Speaker 2>they were actually the first mathematicians is something that's just

2665
02:22:46.479 --> 02:22:50.719
<v Speaker 2>weird to me because we you know, it just doesn't

2666
02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>make sense. So I always, uh, you know, point that

2667
02:22:54.040 --> 02:22:55.959
<v Speaker 2>that out there to let people know that, you know,

2668
02:22:56.040 --> 02:22:58.520
<v Speaker 2>women were the first mathematicians. They were the ones that

2669
02:22:58.639 --> 02:22:59.680
<v Speaker 2>were doing the counting and.

2670
02:22:59.719 --> 02:23:03.120
<v Speaker 6>Stuff like that. I mean, they're biologically they're linked with that.

2671
02:23:03.200 --> 02:23:05.319
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, a man can go in seclusion

2672
02:23:05.360 --> 02:23:07.520
<v Speaker 6>and then not know what day it is.

2673
02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, women can start her own calendar based off her

2674
02:23:11.159 --> 02:23:11.760
<v Speaker 2>own cycle.

2675
02:23:12.159 --> 02:23:13.639
<v Speaker 10>You know what I'm saying, Well, you see how it

2676
02:23:13.680 --> 02:23:15.760
<v Speaker 10>could happen. I mean it seems like you're describing like

2677
02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:18.280
<v Speaker 10>early you know what you call science. I mean, if

2678
02:23:18.319 --> 02:23:19.840
<v Speaker 10>you are in a village and you do know the

2679
02:23:19.879 --> 02:23:22.520
<v Speaker 10>cycles of the moon, they're important to you for some purpose,

2680
02:23:22.600 --> 02:23:23.840
<v Speaker 10>whether you understand it or not.

2681
02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:25.719
<v Speaker 1>There's clouds a lot of times.

2682
02:23:25.840 --> 02:23:29.040
<v Speaker 10>But if you notice and through observation that this woman,

2683
02:23:29.399 --> 02:23:33.479
<v Speaker 10>every time her cycle comes, the moon's in this position. Yeah, naturally,

2684
02:23:33.680 --> 02:23:36.239
<v Speaker 10>then you'd have it right there ready, no matter the whether.

2685
02:23:37.399 --> 02:23:37.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

2686
02:23:37.600 --> 02:23:39.600
<v Speaker 2>And only women would know that, you know, they know

2687
02:23:39.680 --> 02:23:41.840
<v Speaker 2>their own personal body and they look up in the

2688
02:23:41.879 --> 02:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>sky and be like, man, the moon is always moving

2689
02:23:43.760 --> 02:23:46.280
<v Speaker 2>every time this happens. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean

2690
02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that's what that's you know what I bring up a lot.

2691
02:23:49.239 --> 02:23:51.239
<v Speaker 2>But you know, with gold, you know, every like I

2692
02:23:51.280 --> 02:23:54.440
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, everybody believes that it's Africa that has to

2693
02:23:54.520 --> 02:23:57.959
<v Speaker 2>deal with gold. But you know, when you look at Varna,

2694
02:23:58.120 --> 02:24:00.239
<v Speaker 2>you know you actually see it older than any everything.

2695
02:24:00.280 --> 02:24:02.799
<v Speaker 2>And I was saying it earlier. Every civilization started around

2696
02:24:02.840 --> 02:24:05.399
<v Speaker 2>thirty two hundred PC. Some people will say thirty two

2697
02:24:05.479 --> 02:24:07.760
<v Speaker 2>hundred BC. Some people say thirty five hundred BCS some

2698
02:24:07.920 --> 02:24:09.760
<v Speaker 2>like some people will say forty five hundred BC.

2699
02:24:10.399 --> 02:24:11.159
<v Speaker 6>It goes between.

2700
02:24:11.479 --> 02:24:14.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look at the Meso Americans, the Samerians,

2701
02:24:14.799 --> 02:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>or the Mesopotamians, the African civilizations, they're all around thirty

2702
02:24:18.719 --> 02:24:19.600
<v Speaker 2>two something hundred pc.

2703
02:24:19.719 --> 02:24:21.000
<v Speaker 6>It just depends on what you consider.

2704
02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:23.120
<v Speaker 2>That's why I say the Samarians are considered the oldest

2705
02:24:23.239 --> 02:24:27.079
<v Speaker 2>only because of their writing system. But it takes a

2706
02:24:27.120 --> 02:24:30.639
<v Speaker 2>civilizing group of individuals to make the gold artifacts that

2707
02:24:30.799 --> 02:24:34.520
<v Speaker 2>they just presented, So why isn't that on the criteria?

2708
02:24:34.600 --> 02:24:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And I always say that every single time to everybody,

2709
02:24:36.920 --> 02:24:38.799
<v Speaker 2>I say, what is your criteria that is needed to

2710
02:24:38.840 --> 02:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>be considered a civilization? Because everybody want to have a

2711
02:24:42.000 --> 02:24:44.319
<v Speaker 2>different criteria. Some I'm going to say writing systems, some

2712
02:24:44.360 --> 02:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>people want to say building up pottery. I know Samuel

2713
02:24:48.520 --> 02:24:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Noah Kramer says in his books that in one of

2714
02:24:51.239 --> 02:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>his books, The thirty nine First of Sumer, he actually

2715
02:24:54.479 --> 02:24:56.799
<v Speaker 2>talks about how pottery is found there too, And Citrin

2716
02:24:56.840 --> 02:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>actually says that too. So many ways, but you can

2717
02:24:59.360 --> 02:25:03.440
<v Speaker 2>tell pottery is different, is made differently, and because of

2718
02:25:03.520 --> 02:25:06.760
<v Speaker 2>pottery and the potter's wheel is where we get the

2719
02:25:06.760 --> 02:25:09.879
<v Speaker 2>wheel from. We don't get wheels from you know, transporting anything.

2720
02:25:09.920 --> 02:25:11.639
<v Speaker 2>We get the wheel from them creating it from the

2721
02:25:11.680 --> 02:25:15.319
<v Speaker 2>potter's wheel. So but you know, taking mundy and slapping

2722
02:25:15.360 --> 02:25:17.239
<v Speaker 2>it together, it's not really hard to do. It's just

2723
02:25:17.559 --> 02:25:20.520
<v Speaker 2>an advanced part will be burning into some kind of

2724
02:25:21.079 --> 02:25:22.239
<v Speaker 2>fire pit or something like that.

2725
02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:29.000
<v Speaker 8>So, yeah, with the Warner culture, they had sophisticated trade networks,

2726
02:25:29.200 --> 02:25:33.079
<v Speaker 8>which I think is a hallmark of civilization, right, I

2727
02:25:33.200 --> 02:25:34.559
<v Speaker 8>mean it requires a.

2728
02:25:34.600 --> 02:25:39.479
<v Speaker 5>Whole bunch of forethought and planning and.

2729
02:25:42.280 --> 02:25:46.399
<v Speaker 10>You know, knowledge of multiple independently developed community with their

2730
02:25:46.440 --> 02:25:47.840
<v Speaker 10>own resources to share.

2731
02:25:48.079 --> 02:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

2732
02:25:49.000 --> 02:25:50.639
<v Speaker 8>And then you so you have to like learn to

2733
02:25:50.719 --> 02:25:53.719
<v Speaker 8>talk to these independent communities and things like that. So

2734
02:25:53.799 --> 02:25:56.079
<v Speaker 8>you have to have and there's a lot of specialization

2735
02:25:56.200 --> 02:25:59.959
<v Speaker 8>that would go into an advanced paphistication.

2736
02:26:01.760 --> 02:26:04.120
<v Speaker 5>But in terms of astronomy, they are all in the

2737
02:26:04.200 --> 02:26:06.719
<v Speaker 5>same year, so it takes to all of them the

2738
02:26:06.799 --> 02:26:09.639
<v Speaker 5>same seventy two years to calculate one degree of the sky.

2739
02:26:10.559 --> 02:26:13.680
<v Speaker 5>So there's there's no way that everyone got to the

2740
02:26:13.719 --> 02:26:15.920
<v Speaker 5>same conclusion at the same time because they are all

2741
02:26:16.000 --> 02:26:19.079
<v Speaker 5>in the same the same year. So they all have

2742
02:26:19.200 --> 02:26:21.639
<v Speaker 5>to do the calculations, or one did the calculations, and

2743
02:26:21.760 --> 02:26:24.319
<v Speaker 5>then diffusion spread it all over the world, because I

2744
02:26:24.399 --> 02:26:28.200
<v Speaker 5>don't see a lot of communities getting seventy two years

2745
02:26:28.280 --> 02:26:31.239
<v Speaker 5>of records just to document one degree in order for

2746
02:26:31.360 --> 02:26:34.159
<v Speaker 5>them to know the procession of the equinos and all

2747
02:26:34.280 --> 02:26:37.040
<v Speaker 5>that stuff. Just before we finished, I just wanted to

2748
02:26:37.079 --> 02:26:39.200
<v Speaker 5>see for you to see what I was talking about.

2749
02:26:40.079 --> 02:26:44.040
<v Speaker 5>Do you see the floor? They are very small, and

2750
02:26:44.079 --> 02:26:47.159
<v Speaker 5>they are everywhere right. They just opened that bit there,

2751
02:26:47.840 --> 02:26:50.239
<v Speaker 5>so the houses and everything was built on top because

2752
02:26:50.559 --> 02:26:54.799
<v Speaker 5>they couldn't see them. So it's very strange, and it's

2753
02:26:54.920 --> 02:26:59.360
<v Speaker 5>more eerie when you're there because there's no footing people

2754
02:26:59.479 --> 02:27:04.920
<v Speaker 5>live there. Yes, okay, this is called villa. It's a

2755
02:27:04.959 --> 02:27:05.719
<v Speaker 5>place up north.

2756
02:27:06.719 --> 02:27:09.280
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's chilling. I mean, especially if you see them

2757
02:27:09.319 --> 02:27:12.840
<v Speaker 10>as representations of death. Say they didn't actually bury anything

2758
02:27:12.920 --> 02:27:15.120
<v Speaker 10>in there, you know, because they didn't have anything to bury.

2759
02:27:15.680 --> 02:27:18.000
<v Speaker 10>Then that's just that that looks like a representation of

2760
02:27:18.079 --> 02:27:20.639
<v Speaker 10>a lot of people dine at once, you know, explosion

2761
02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:24.040
<v Speaker 10>or whatever, mass catastrophe where that's what I see as

2762
02:27:24.360 --> 02:27:28.479
<v Speaker 10>you're right, man, it's chilling, you see, Yeah, that's wild.

2763
02:27:30.040 --> 02:27:30.440
<v Speaker 5>Hmm.

2764
02:27:32.239 --> 02:27:33.040
<v Speaker 10>It's very stronge.

2765
02:27:34.520 --> 02:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>That's weird.

2766
02:27:36.120 --> 02:27:39.239
<v Speaker 10>So Dave, I'll just say quickly, I guess my comment

2767
02:27:39.360 --> 02:27:42.440
<v Speaker 10>and question. First of all, thank you very much man

2768
02:27:42.520 --> 02:27:45.000
<v Speaker 10>again for educating me on something I had no doubt about.

2769
02:27:45.079 --> 02:27:48.239
<v Speaker 10>And what I see, first of all or the date

2770
02:27:48.559 --> 02:27:51.159
<v Speaker 10>that you shared. Right, So not only when I see

2771
02:27:51.200 --> 02:27:52.600
<v Speaker 10>the pictures of all this stuff, but I see that

2772
02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:57.600
<v Speaker 10>date that has got most of the popular according to

2773
02:27:57.639 --> 02:28:02.000
<v Speaker 10>the main narrative, the popular location for civilization to emerge,

2774
02:28:02.120 --> 02:28:06.559
<v Speaker 10>whatever that meant, is later, right than this. The second

2775
02:28:06.600 --> 02:28:09.559
<v Speaker 10>thing I guess that jumped to me was its location.

2776
02:28:09.879 --> 02:28:14.639
<v Speaker 10>So we're looking near go Beckley Tepe territory, right, you know,

2777
02:28:14.799 --> 02:28:18.079
<v Speaker 10>looking at at a map. If I'm correct, it's Turkey

2778
02:28:18.239 --> 02:28:21.079
<v Speaker 10>right that general region of the world. So what I

2779
02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:23.680
<v Speaker 10>see is if we do not see the signs of

2780
02:28:23.719 --> 02:28:26.280
<v Speaker 10>metallurgy and all that, and we see this reverence for gold,

2781
02:28:26.639 --> 02:28:30.280
<v Speaker 10>we also see its geolocation being very close to what

2782
02:28:30.479 --> 02:28:35.280
<v Speaker 10>we now see is the oldest expression of anything from man,

2783
02:28:35.479 --> 02:28:37.959
<v Speaker 10>you know, at least as far as we can tell. Right,

2784
02:28:38.680 --> 02:28:41.440
<v Speaker 10>So why are these two things then echoing in that

2785
02:28:41.600 --> 02:28:45.639
<v Speaker 10>exact same region, right, And with go Beckley Tepe echoing

2786
02:28:45.760 --> 02:28:48.559
<v Speaker 10>so much knowledge you hit at the procession, right, all

2787
02:28:48.639 --> 02:28:50.399
<v Speaker 10>this knowledge of what the stars looked like then and

2788
02:28:50.479 --> 02:28:52.200
<v Speaker 10>what they would look like way down the line. So

2789
02:28:52.280 --> 02:28:56.799
<v Speaker 10>they left this map that all echoes to somebody surviving,

2790
02:28:56.879 --> 02:28:58.799
<v Speaker 10>so you know, what it was was more with survivors

2791
02:28:58.840 --> 02:29:03.760
<v Speaker 10>from this cataclysm right coming and planting somewhere does That's

2792
02:29:03.799 --> 02:29:05.680
<v Speaker 10>what I take from it is it seems to push

2793
02:29:05.760 --> 02:29:09.479
<v Speaker 10>the timeline, and it also geographically echoes other findings that

2794
02:29:09.600 --> 02:29:12.479
<v Speaker 10>push the timeline and and sort of leave the same

2795
02:29:12.600 --> 02:29:15.639
<v Speaker 10>questions where did this gold working arise from? Where did

2796
02:29:15.719 --> 02:29:18.840
<v Speaker 10>this stone working arise from? You know, that's what I see.

2797
02:29:18.959 --> 02:29:22.000
<v Speaker 10>And bravo, dude, and thanks for that, man, for educating me.

2798
02:29:22.440 --> 02:29:27.159
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome, and I'm just educating myself. So enjoy sharing.

2799
02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:30.239
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Ricardo pointed that out like right at

2800
02:29:30.280 --> 02:29:37.639
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, ruined the surprise. But the surprise really was that, like,

2801
02:29:37.799 --> 02:29:39.239
<v Speaker 1>we don't keep that in mind.

2802
02:29:39.600 --> 02:29:42.719
<v Speaker 8>We don't know, we don't know shit, like and knowing

2803
02:29:42.879 --> 02:29:47.959
<v Speaker 8>that we know nothing is as a Socrates is like

2804
02:29:48.120 --> 02:29:51.479
<v Speaker 8>important when we're looking at stuff like this, right and

2805
02:29:51.559 --> 02:29:54.920
<v Speaker 8>we're considering these dates and we're considering, you know.

2806
02:29:55.200 --> 02:29:55.280
<v Speaker 10>Like.

2807
02:29:58.239 --> 02:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>What this means, because this is just one dude doing

2808
02:30:03.040 --> 02:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>some construction.

2809
02:30:03.840 --> 02:30:05.959
<v Speaker 8>Probably there's a bunch of dudes, but the guy who

2810
02:30:06.200 --> 02:30:08.120
<v Speaker 8>like was the head of the construction team is the

2811
02:30:08.159 --> 02:30:11.479
<v Speaker 8>guy who gets the name. But like, you know, finding

2812
02:30:11.600 --> 02:30:14.840
<v Speaker 8>this right, and like I said right at the very beginning,

2813
02:30:15.879 --> 02:30:21.079
<v Speaker 8>is that under our feet is like the all the

2814
02:30:21.200 --> 02:30:25.159
<v Speaker 8>answers right, and we're gonna who knows what we're going?

2815
02:30:25.280 --> 02:30:29.840
<v Speaker 8>What's going to change the timeline in what ways? You know,

2816
02:30:30.040 --> 02:30:31.920
<v Speaker 8>by accident like that?

2817
02:30:32.799 --> 02:30:32.959
<v Speaker 1>Right?

2818
02:30:33.559 --> 02:30:37.040
<v Speaker 8>And so the reason why I think that we don't

2819
02:30:37.200 --> 02:30:40.000
<v Speaker 8>hear about that site very often is.

2820
02:30:40.120 --> 02:30:43.959
<v Speaker 1>Because it does challenge the narrative a little bit, doesn't it.

2821
02:30:45.639 --> 02:30:46.280
<v Speaker 10>It it it?

2822
02:30:47.719 --> 02:30:51.120
<v Speaker 8>And then Tyrone is the way Tyrone pointed out is

2823
02:30:51.200 --> 02:30:52.479
<v Speaker 8>what is a civilization?

2824
02:30:52.760 --> 02:30:52.879
<v Speaker 10>Right?

2825
02:30:53.280 --> 02:30:54.319
<v Speaker 1>There's entire.

2826
02:30:56.040 --> 02:31:02.360
<v Speaker 8>Entire academic mobs that like are built upon like the

2827
02:31:02.559 --> 02:31:07.120
<v Speaker 8>idea of civilization starting in Mesopotamia, And there's a shitload

2828
02:31:07.159 --> 02:31:10.920
<v Speaker 8>of money and institutional control over that idea.

2829
02:31:11.280 --> 02:31:14.440
<v Speaker 10>Right, a lot of inertia behind that idea.

2830
02:31:14.760 --> 02:31:18.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, you're wrong, right, But what is a civilization?

2831
02:31:18.959 --> 02:31:19.120
<v Speaker 6>Right?

2832
02:31:19.360 --> 02:31:23.360
<v Speaker 8>Like if you have advanced uh you know, trade networks

2833
02:31:23.520 --> 02:31:27.760
<v Speaker 8>and spiritual beliefs and doing all this crazy shit with

2834
02:31:27.920 --> 02:31:30.600
<v Speaker 8>gold way before they were doing it in Messooitamian stuff.

2835
02:31:30.639 --> 02:31:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Would that not be a civilization? Just thrown it out there.

2836
02:31:35.120 --> 02:31:38.159
<v Speaker 5>I think an advanced civilization is a civilization that promotes

2837
02:31:38.239 --> 02:31:44.040
<v Speaker 5>cultural peace and understanding between all that's not technology. Technology

2838
02:31:44.120 --> 02:31:48.120
<v Speaker 5>doesn't bring you peace or understanding, can even if you

2839
02:31:48.200 --> 02:31:51.399
<v Speaker 5>can't even create dission because everyone has an opinion.

2840
02:31:52.840 --> 02:31:55.040
<v Speaker 10>Well you don't hear, I'm sorry, Ricardo.

2841
02:31:55.840 --> 02:31:58.200
<v Speaker 5>Finished, Otherwise I will run for an hour.

2842
02:31:58.319 --> 02:31:59.200
<v Speaker 6>So I just finished.

2843
02:32:00.280 --> 02:32:02.959
<v Speaker 10>No. I think it's it's not shared for for many reasons,

2844
02:32:03.000 --> 02:32:05.760
<v Speaker 10>and I think, utmost you're right. It's this timeline, you know.

2845
02:32:05.959 --> 02:32:08.920
<v Speaker 10>I mean, look, we've got a freaking mummified Russell brand

2846
02:32:09.040 --> 02:32:12.840
<v Speaker 10>with its old pis. You know she right, there is

2847
02:32:12.959 --> 02:32:17.000
<v Speaker 10>some advanced teleology or or thought process is going on

2848
02:32:17.319 --> 02:32:19.799
<v Speaker 10>with this group of people. Call them whatever you will,

2849
02:32:19.840 --> 02:32:20.479
<v Speaker 10>a civilization.

2850
02:32:20.639 --> 02:32:24.440
<v Speaker 5>They're still doing that in Africa today. They're still bearing

2851
02:32:24.479 --> 02:32:26.719
<v Speaker 5>their guys with the says grabbed to their penises.

2852
02:32:27.360 --> 02:32:31.719
<v Speaker 10>Right, but we don't we also see though, look like

2853
02:32:31.840 --> 02:32:34.159
<v Speaker 10>you said, when when I come with no narrative, you know,

2854
02:32:34.280 --> 02:32:36.719
<v Speaker 10>like Dave started this with, right, when that's to me

2855
02:32:36.920 --> 02:32:39.520
<v Speaker 10>is the position of I know nothing, right is I'm

2856
02:32:39.600 --> 02:32:42.559
<v Speaker 10>not going to apply a narrative now I am gonna

2857
02:32:42.680 --> 02:32:44.360
<v Speaker 10>The more I learn about a certain narrative and the

2858
02:32:44.399 --> 02:32:45.959
<v Speaker 10>more it starts to appel real to me, the more

2859
02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:48.600
<v Speaker 10>I do have to fight against. Right. But still what

2860
02:32:48.719 --> 02:32:51.639
<v Speaker 10>we're trying to achieve is no narrative. Right, So I

2861
02:32:51.719 --> 02:32:53.760
<v Speaker 10>look at this. It's in the area of go Beckley Tepe.

2862
02:32:53.879 --> 02:32:55.680
<v Speaker 10>There's a dude that looks like Russell Brand with his

2863
02:32:55.760 --> 02:32:56.760
<v Speaker 10>penis and a golden sheath.

2864
02:32:56.840 --> 02:32:57.360
<v Speaker 12>What do I have it?

2865
02:32:57.520 --> 02:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>The first layer of go Beckley Tepe.

2866
02:32:59.719 --> 02:33:02.399
<v Speaker 10>I got a dude to hold his penis. Okay, right there,

2867
02:33:02.840 --> 02:33:06.920
<v Speaker 10>I see links, right, I see links that I could

2868
02:33:06.959 --> 02:33:10.360
<v Speaker 10>say this culture so even on the tip, no pun.

2869
02:33:10.239 --> 02:33:14.680
<v Speaker 5>Intent on the tip Jesus.

2870
02:33:16.399 --> 02:33:19.120
<v Speaker 10>Right, when I don't apply a narrative, If I just

2871
02:33:19.360 --> 02:33:21.520
<v Speaker 10>look at it like this, should I dug up? I

2872
02:33:21.680 --> 02:33:22.959
<v Speaker 10>see correlations.

2873
02:33:23.079 --> 02:33:25.319
<v Speaker 1>And both of these come way before.

2874
02:33:25.600 --> 02:33:27.399
<v Speaker 10>And they had a weird obsession with the penis, but

2875
02:33:27.559 --> 02:33:32.079
<v Speaker 10>they both come well before anything the established narrative tells me.

2876
02:33:32.600 --> 02:33:36.639
<v Speaker 5>Right, and Freud, if he was alive, it would be.

2877
02:33:38.840 --> 02:33:39.360
<v Speaker 9>Day right now.

2878
02:33:40.440 --> 02:33:42.600
<v Speaker 5>No, you would see I was born in the wrong

2879
02:33:42.719 --> 02:33:44.959
<v Speaker 5>age because back then I will make a fortune. Because

2880
02:33:45.000 --> 02:33:46.120
<v Speaker 5>these people are obsessed.

2881
02:33:47.360 --> 02:33:49.559
<v Speaker 1>I like the interpretation of the Gilgamesh.

2882
02:33:49.680 --> 02:33:51.719
<v Speaker 10>You know that that it's a reminder to us to

2883
02:33:51.799 --> 02:33:54.440
<v Speaker 10>constantly not be obsessed with the material realm, and and

2884
02:33:54.639 --> 02:33:56.879
<v Speaker 10>to anybody at least that's walked around in a male body.

2885
02:33:56.959 --> 02:33:58.959
<v Speaker 10>You understand that battle that this thing that is not

2886
02:33:59.040 --> 02:34:02.840
<v Speaker 10>connected to my everlasting wants to take my attention, you know.

2887
02:34:03.120 --> 02:34:05.840
<v Speaker 10>And so you see this permanent reminder from the epic,

2888
02:34:05.879 --> 02:34:09.280
<v Speaker 10>a GigaMesh etched in stone and maybe gold, echoing back

2889
02:34:09.399 --> 02:34:12.000
<v Speaker 10>to what we could say is a spiritual tradition. You

2890
02:34:12.040 --> 02:34:13.719
<v Speaker 10>guys know, I'm going to lean that way, but at

2891
02:34:13.840 --> 02:34:16.799
<v Speaker 10>least to a story, you know, about a spiritual tradition

2892
02:34:16.959 --> 02:34:20.959
<v Speaker 10>and an actual event, the cataclysm, right Goebecley Tappe is

2893
02:34:21.000 --> 02:34:23.239
<v Speaker 10>telling me about a time the cataclysm happened. These guys

2894
02:34:23.360 --> 02:34:26.319
<v Speaker 10>echoing advanced technology here in Varna and the same maybe

2895
02:34:26.440 --> 02:34:30.719
<v Speaker 10>beliefs type systems as this civilization. Of course, they don't

2896
02:34:30.719 --> 02:34:32.120
<v Speaker 10>want us to talk about this place.

2897
02:34:33.040 --> 02:34:38.280
<v Speaker 5>Thanks, you know, Dave, do you know how high is

2898
02:34:38.879 --> 02:34:41.360
<v Speaker 5>that city where we've found that's what I mean, CD

2899
02:34:41.520 --> 02:34:42.920
<v Speaker 5>is the location? How high it is?

2900
02:34:43.440 --> 02:34:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't We can look it up

2901
02:34:45.319 --> 02:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>quick though.

2902
02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:48.719
<v Speaker 5>It would be interesting. Because of this, we know that

2903
02:34:49.000 --> 02:34:53.000
<v Speaker 5>the event that destroyed all of that area, including the Mediterranean,

2904
02:34:53.360 --> 02:34:56.959
<v Speaker 5>was around from four thousand BC to thirty two hundred BC,

2905
02:34:58.280 --> 02:35:02.319
<v Speaker 5>and so volcano right, No, No, the berkle Crater event

2906
02:35:02.479 --> 02:35:06.040
<v Speaker 5>to create a vast tsunami that entered across Egypt to

2907
02:35:06.159 --> 02:35:10.680
<v Speaker 5>the Mediterranean and caused all of the weeks of rain.

2908
02:35:10.879 --> 02:35:15.639
<v Speaker 5>The first week was boiling rain, rain that is actually

2909
02:35:16.440 --> 02:35:22.559
<v Speaker 5>almost in vapor, so ninety degrees water raining, and then yeah,

2910
02:35:22.879 --> 02:35:26.920
<v Speaker 5>then normal rain. So this whole thing about six weeks

2911
02:35:26.959 --> 02:35:30.879
<v Speaker 5>of continuous rain after the tsunami, right, so it's water everywhere.

2912
02:35:30.959 --> 02:35:34.000
<v Speaker 5>Only the high places survived. So we know that Quebeci Teppe,

2913
02:35:34.120 --> 02:35:37.680
<v Speaker 5>although most people don't speak about it, has an enormous lake,

2914
02:35:37.959 --> 02:35:40.040
<v Speaker 5>not enormous compared to the America, but it has a

2915
02:35:40.159 --> 02:35:43.920
<v Speaker 5>vast lake on top of the mountain right above Globe Teca.

2916
02:35:44.319 --> 02:35:47.239
<v Speaker 5>And if you look at the hydrography of the terrain,

2917
02:35:47.639 --> 02:35:50.479
<v Speaker 5>you see that that lake overflowed and brought a lot

2918
02:35:50.559 --> 02:35:53.840
<v Speaker 5>of silts down that buried Gobeci, Tepi and the whole area.

2919
02:35:53.920 --> 02:35:56.639
<v Speaker 5>It's not naturally buried, as they say, it was a

2920
02:35:56.799 --> 02:36:00.120
<v Speaker 5>massive landslide that covered the whole thing. But because we

2921
02:36:00.159 --> 02:36:02.719
<v Speaker 5>don't find bodies. It's obvious that they knew that what's

2922
02:36:02.840 --> 02:36:05.280
<v Speaker 5>going to happen, and so they move south probably and

2923
02:36:05.399 --> 02:36:07.440
<v Speaker 5>they could move to the place where you find this

2924
02:36:07.680 --> 02:36:10.920
<v Speaker 5>Varna right, all of their culture of the time. So

2925
02:36:11.239 --> 02:36:14.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm just asking, is Varna high eye ground so it

2926
02:36:14.360 --> 02:36:16.639
<v Speaker 5>could survive the cataclysm, that's my question.

2927
02:36:16.959 --> 02:36:18.879
<v Speaker 10>No, it's not, it's not.

2928
02:36:19.040 --> 02:36:23.120
<v Speaker 5>It's basically sea level, so that the dates are conflictuous.

2929
02:36:23.239 --> 02:36:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and there, yeah, yeah they are. I did look up.

2930
02:36:29.639 --> 02:36:35.920
<v Speaker 8>About the astronomical alignments, and there's you know, some people

2931
02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:40.040
<v Speaker 8>have speculated that, first of all, some of those circular

2932
02:36:40.159 --> 02:36:43.959
<v Speaker 8>gold items could indicate could be represent celestial bodies, but

2933
02:36:44.040 --> 02:36:44.920
<v Speaker 8>it's just speculation.

2934
02:36:45.799 --> 02:36:48.639
<v Speaker 1>And most of the graves are.

2935
02:36:51.399 --> 02:36:56.959
<v Speaker 8>Aligned east to west, which could suggest some rudimentary knowledge

2936
02:36:57.319 --> 02:36:58.920
<v Speaker 8>of where.

2937
02:36:58.760 --> 02:36:59.440
<v Speaker 5>The sun sets.

2938
02:37:00.600 --> 02:37:00.959
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

2939
02:37:01.120 --> 02:37:05.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and so they probably were thinking about that kind

2940
02:37:05.360 --> 02:37:08.440
<v Speaker 8>of stuff, but there's no like clear it's it's not

2941
02:37:08.559 --> 02:37:10.760
<v Speaker 8>like they don't have any napped to play us stuff

2942
02:37:10.959 --> 02:37:13.360
<v Speaker 8>going on there or or or whatever.

2943
02:37:13.479 --> 02:37:15.079
<v Speaker 1>But still pretty interesting.

2944
02:37:16.479 --> 02:37:18.399
<v Speaker 2>As funny as you mentioned nap to play. A lot

2945
02:37:18.440 --> 02:37:20.639
<v Speaker 2>of people don't know about that place. That's like another

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02:37:20.879 --> 02:37:22.079
<v Speaker 2>old calendar place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the oldest calendar place, isn't it.

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02:37:25.760 --> 02:37:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, it depends because some people consider the Inky Calendar

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02:37:29.239 --> 02:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>slash Adams Calendar in South.

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02:37:31.239 --> 02:37:32.360
<v Speaker 6>Africa to be older.

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02:37:32.879 --> 02:37:36.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the Adams calendar is probably older than what's.

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02:37:36.399 --> 02:37:37.959
<v Speaker 10>The name of the thing we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, you reference it as the oldest.

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<v Speaker 6>So they had nap. The play is supposed to be

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<v Speaker 6>one of the oldest calendars.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's argument that there's one in South Africa called

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02:37:47.680 --> 02:37:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Inky slash Adams Calendar that's older. Some people will say

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02:37:53.719 --> 02:37:56.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like cow pastors or something like that, but

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02:37:56.200 --> 02:37:58.680
<v Speaker 2>it was Others say that it lines up with.

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<v Speaker 5>In the with about one million top or more circular

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02:38:05.879 --> 02:38:09.120
<v Speaker 5>structures and have to ply it there just that point.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, doesn't have to play ye, and it's it's.

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02:38:12.479 --> 02:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>A literal calendar and soar and uh everything.

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02:38:17.719 --> 02:38:21.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's multiple alignments. I've seen several papers on it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very well studied.

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<v Speaker 6>And stone supposedly. Yeah. All right, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>As much as I'd love to keep going, the alarm

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02:38:33.799 --> 02:38:37.760
<v Speaker 4>is sounding, don't thank someone's here, and it's probably the

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02:38:37.879 --> 02:38:39.360
<v Speaker 4>bus Solomon.

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02:38:40.799 --> 02:38:41.879
<v Speaker 5>Well, that one's Falcore.

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02:38:42.159 --> 02:38:43.639
<v Speaker 6>I have two German shepherds.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh nice love never ending story reference is now in place.

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<v Speaker 6>Right so we can wrap.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, we thank you all for coming and for Hunters.

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02:39:00.719 --> 02:39:02.639
<v Speaker 9>Thank you so much, Tyrone and David.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yes, I enjoy ch'all's presentation. I love how they

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<v Speaker 1>both kind of look play together and gentlemen. That was

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<v Speaker 1>that was really great.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, excellent, good conversation. We appreciate each and every one

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02:39:15.719 --> 02:39:18.200
<v Speaker 9>of you. Sarah. Where can the people find us?

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02:39:20.360 --> 02:39:20.520
<v Speaker 10>Uh?

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02:39:21.799 --> 02:39:26.719
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02:39:27.000 --> 02:39:29.120
<v Speaker 3>You got it? Do it?

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02:39:29.520 --> 02:39:29.920
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02:39:30.159 --> 02:39:33.440
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02:39:37.120 --> 02:39:37.760
<v Speaker 9>out with us today.

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02:39:38.200 --> 02:39:41.600
<v Speaker 5>Support the project, help the girls, see you.

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02:39:41.639 --> 02:39:42.520
<v Speaker 4>Guys next time.

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02:39:43.840 --> 02:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Support the Institute.

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02:39:47.360 --> 02:39:48.200
<v Speaker 6>Thank you everyone.

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<v Speaker 13>Sarah, go get your thank you, close your runch, look

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02:39:56.159 --> 02:40:03.879
<v Speaker 13>into the darkness, fun blazer Star, focus on it.

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02:40:05.799 --> 02:40:10.639
<v Speaker 1>And it become the eclipse. Don't feel.

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02:40:12.360 --> 02:40:13.600
<v Speaker 6>Let the show be there.

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<v Speaker 1>And guess

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<v Speaker 13>You is Sha