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<v Speaker 1>Governors don't get to just talk theoretically. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>solve problems. And I will note it's not just Somali's.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota is a generous state. Minnesota's a prosperous days, a

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<v Speaker 1>well run state or triple A bond rated. But that

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<v Speaker 1>attracts criminals. Those people are going to jail. We're doing

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<v Speaker 1>everything we can, but to demonize an entire community on

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<v Speaker 1>the actions of a few, it's lazy. And as you

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<v Speaker 1>heard Senator Kelly say, this president has cut a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of inspector generals. He's cut programs that could help us

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<v Speaker 1>tackle us on.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are we'll take it on.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll put folks in jail. I don't care what your

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<v Speaker 1>nationality is, I don't care who your religion is, your color,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're committing crimes. These are programs that were meant

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<v Speaker 1>to serve students with autism, to housing, and to making

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<v Speaker 1>sure people had enough to eat. There's a reason Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>ranks as the top lowest childhood poverty, best place for

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<v Speaker 1>children to live. People are taking advantage that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to prison. That is totally disconnected with demonizing an entire

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<v Speaker 1>group of people who came here fleeing civil war and

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<v Speaker 1>created a vibrant community that makes Minnesota in this country better.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's Donald Trump deflect demonies, come up with no solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not going to help fix anything. On fraud, my god,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a big difference between fraud and corruption, and corruption

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<v Speaker 1>is something he knows about.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the dulcet tones of Governor Tim Walls from Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 3>And my next guest, who I'm looking at right now

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<v Speaker 3>on our zoom call, is openly shaking his head and

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<v Speaker 3>just you're making a face, John Justice, of what is

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<v Speaker 3>it twin City's news Talk. I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>I get that out. Katoka is the station, an iHeart station.

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<v Speaker 3>You can listen online if you want. John, First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 4>That clip you played has gotten quite the workout on

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<v Speaker 4>my show this week.

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<v Speaker 3>So I laughed out loud when he said that the

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<v Speaker 3>reason this was happening is because Trump fired inspector generals.

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<v Speaker 3>As if Tim Walls is going to let Trump administration

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<v Speaker 3>inspector generals into the state of Minnesota, it is comically stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's our governor actually summed him up perfectly.

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<v Speaker 4>He is comically stoopid the country. The country saw.

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<v Speaker 2>That firsthand last year.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, and we were all giddy when he was

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<v Speaker 4>tapped to be Kamala Harris's VP, because the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>the country got to see what a buffoon this guy is. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>what we're dealing with now with the exposure of fraud

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<v Speaker 4>that we've known about for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>That just didn't make it out.

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<v Speaker 4>We all thought it was going to We all thought

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<v Speaker 4>this was going to become sort of a centerpiece of

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<v Speaker 4>a talking point of walls and he just completely escaped

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<v Speaker 4>scrutiny last year up until these past couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 4>when the dam has just broken loose in Minnesota is

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<v Speaker 4>now the epicenter of the news cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>So I asked John off the air, how long people

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<v Speaker 3>in Minnesota in media have known about the depth of

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<v Speaker 3>this corruption with the welfare system. And we're talking billion

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<v Speaker 3>with a B dollars stolen fraudulently, a lot of which

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<v Speaker 3>went back to fund Somali warlords.

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<v Speaker 5>How long have you guys known about this?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you go back to if you start with

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<v Speaker 4>feeding our future, you've got to go back at least

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<v Speaker 4>four years now. Along with feeding our future, we've had

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<v Speaker 4>fraud within the daycare center system and then more recently

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<v Speaker 4>the autism centers, health and Human services.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've known about.

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<v Speaker 4>This fraud being perpetuated for the for the better part

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<v Speaker 4>of four years. It really has just been the dollar

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<v Speaker 4>amount that's been growing and changing. And then of course

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<v Speaker 4>the reporting by City Journal about a week and a

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<v Speaker 4>half ago that went, you know, in depth with those

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<v Speaker 4>multiple credible sources saying that Minnesota taxpayers are basically one

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<v Speaker 4>of the biggest funders of al Shabab in Somalia.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've we've known for years.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's fascinating to me about this story. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of things. Number One, a lot of this money

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<v Speaker 3>is actual federal taxpayer dollars. Let's be real, this is

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<v Speaker 3>not isolated. The Minnesota taxpayer is not the only one

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<v Speaker 3>footing the bill for this, because a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>were ARPA dollars that were being thrown out out you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like like candy at or parade. And one of the

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<v Speaker 3>other things that I find fascinating is the employees of

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<v Speaker 3>Minnesota's HHS took to Twitter to throw everybody under the bus.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, we're not taking a hit on this

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<v Speaker 3>we tried to tell the Walls administration, and not only

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<v Speaker 3>did he not help us root out the fraud, he

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<v Speaker 3>retaliated against the whistleblowers.

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<v Speaker 5>Tell me about that part of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what's really interesting about that there's a one account

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<v Speaker 4>that's associated with they say about four hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 4>different DHS employees. It's a fraction of the number of

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<v Speaker 4>employees within DHS here in Minnesota. They've been blowing the

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<v Speaker 4>whistle on this for a long time, but again, just

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<v Speaker 4>like what we're talking about now, it just simply has

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<v Speaker 4>not gained national attention and barely uplip when it comes to.

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<v Speaker 2>Local news coverage.

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<v Speaker 4>What's interesting about that, though, is I've been receiving phone

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<v Speaker 4>calls for the past year and a half from DHS

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<v Speaker 4>employees anonymously telling me what those DHS employees are now

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<v Speaker 4>getting the attention for when I talk about the fraud

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<v Speaker 4>within the autism centers and the other services that mostly

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<v Speaker 4>pass under the DFL when they had complete control between.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty three and twenty four here in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 3>DFL is your Democratic Party, to be clear, because we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have DFL here.

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<v Speaker 5>What does DFL actually stand for?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember, so Democrat Farmer Labor.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So DFL is the Democratic Party in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 4>Continue right, So, and they're not associated with the farmers

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<v Speaker 4>at all anymore. Why did they just carry that moniker

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<v Speaker 4>as a badge of honor.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've had.

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<v Speaker 4>Employees, as we talked about the fraud on the show,

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<v Speaker 4>tried to further expose it. I've had those employees telling

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<v Speaker 4>me John, I work in DHS, we see the red flags,

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<v Speaker 4>We saw the massive increase in the requests of funding

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<v Speaker 4>that just simply is unnatural. We take it to our

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<v Speaker 4>bosses and we get ignored. We say it's being looked at,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll take care of it, or they just say, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, it's too big for us to deal with,

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<v Speaker 4>don't worry about it. Thanks for giving us the heads up.

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<v Speaker 4>Continue doing a great job. And that's why this whole

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<v Speaker 4>thing has been allowed to perpetuate, because they're simply a

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<v Speaker 4>lack of concern coming from the Walls administration and those

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<v Speaker 4>employees being told ignore what it is you're seeing until

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<v Speaker 4>the problem grew so big that it simply couldn't be

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<v Speaker 4>ignored anymore. And by the way, you got an add

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<v Speaker 4>ons to that billion, it's billions we're talking confirmed two billion,

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<v Speaker 4>but we're looking at upwards of six billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>How much is your total budget?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's Oh, we're weird. We've blown. We've blown, We've

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<v Speaker 2>blown plat all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me and let me share something with you

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<v Speaker 4>that I just found out today, just a little quick nugget.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just doing prep for tomorrow's show, so I

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<v Speaker 4>haven't had a chance to talk about this on my show.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a twelve billion dollar surplus. Going back to

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<v Speaker 4>the past couple of years now, Walls had said that

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<v Speaker 4>he was going to give that money back to the taxpayer.

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<v Speaker 4>By the tune of thousands. We all got like two

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty.

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<v Speaker 5>Bucks, and you should be grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 2>That money is gone.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been completely wiped out. Like we're looking at deficits

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<v Speaker 4>now for years to come. And now what we're hearing

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<v Speaker 4>is that these deficits that we're dealing with are actually

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<v Speaker 4>potentially directly tied to the fraud that you and I

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<v Speaker 4>are talking about, because we are just at the tip

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<v Speaker 4>of the iceberg of what has been exposed with the

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<v Speaker 4>fraud that has been taking place in here in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 4>So it turns out that this fraud may have actually

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<v Speaker 4>wiped out that surplus single handedly, which is why that

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<v Speaker 4>money's not there anymore, and we're looking at economic disaster

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<v Speaker 4>in the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're runn by Democrats too, and we're in the

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<v Speaker 3>same position. So it's not just the fraud, it's also

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<v Speaker 3>the incompetence. John Justice, my guess from Twin City News

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<v Speaker 3>Talk in Minneapolis. So the other part of this story

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<v Speaker 3>that I find just absolutely incredible is that apparently the

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<v Speaker 3>Harris campaign was warned before they chose Tim Walls and

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<v Speaker 3>went with him anyway. What a stunning lack of judgment.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, we've all seen what Kamlo is all about,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's not that surprising. How did that happen in

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<v Speaker 3>your estimation, here's my.

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<v Speaker 2>Hot take on that.

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<v Speaker 4>That is indicative of the number of individuals that did

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<v Speaker 4>not want to join Kamala Harris's team.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Walls was the last resort.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they had a choice.

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<v Speaker 3>She was the only one in the room because he

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<v Speaker 3>stopped to get a snack, and they're like, you're it.

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<v Speaker 4>When you go down the list of the potential picks

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<v Speaker 4>that she could have had, Yeah, you know Shapiro and

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<v Speaker 4>knew some None of those guys, they all knew.

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<v Speaker 2>They all knew it was going to be a disaster.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, Walls, I mean, he was the equivalent of the

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<v Speaker 4>kid on Christmas Morning bouncing down the stairs to the

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<v Speaker 4>Christmas tree where he was asked wearing a bunny costume.

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<v Speaker 5>He was wearing a bunny costume at the same time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that he was I think he was

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<v Speaker 4>excited because he was eager at the possibility for as

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<v Speaker 4>slim as it might be, that he that they would

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<v Speaker 4>actually win and he wouldn't have to be governor of

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<v Speaker 4>the state of Minnesota anymore because he knew that this

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<v Speaker 4>was coming down the road, the very thing that we're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about today, Well, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, to my point about how did this happen? And

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you go back and watch the entire

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<v Speaker 3>interview with Kristin Welker from Meet the Press, which is

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<v Speaker 3>where that soundbed I played at the beginning of this interview,

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<v Speaker 3>her first question was not about billions of dollars of fraud.

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<v Speaker 3>Her first question was Trump called you a mean name.

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<v Speaker 3>How does that make you feel? How does it make

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<v Speaker 3>you feel? And if that doesn't clearly demonstrate what the

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<v Speaker 3>media is all about. They will never admit that they

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<v Speaker 3>got behind a whack a doodle presidential ticket that was

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<v Speaker 3>thrust upon the world by some cabal of democratic leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>We still don't know, but I just got a text

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<v Speaker 3>message on our text line from this said Mandy asked

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<v Speaker 3>him about the controversy about the Somali that raped the

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<v Speaker 3>twelve year old girl in Minnesota. And I think this

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<v Speaker 3>is a two part question because I just shared the

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<v Speaker 3>story of a guy who raped two women, pleaded out,

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<v Speaker 3>and then raped and kidnapped another woman who appears to

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<v Speaker 3>be of Somali ethnicity perhaps or definitely not from here.

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<v Speaker 3>But what you're the DA situation, the judge situation.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you guys have a Soros DA as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, no, Hannapen County Attorney Mary Moriarty, she's a

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<v Speaker 4>true social justice religious zealot. I mean, this is her

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<v Speaker 4>religion for her, and she has perpetuated this revolving door

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<v Speaker 4>of criminality.

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<v Speaker 2>Through these social justice policies.

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<v Speaker 4>Now she's not running for reelection now and she's doubling

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<v Speaker 4>She's now doubling down on these policies which keeps putting

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<v Speaker 4>these criminals back on the street. You know you mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>this individual is getting off. We just had a judge

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<v Speaker 4>who had let me back up for just one second.

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<v Speaker 4>If you could, just if you could just bear with me,

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<v Speaker 4>want to back up for onead. So in the clip

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<v Speaker 4>you played, Walls makes the comment of well, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll take credit for putting people behind bars. He has

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<v Speaker 4>not put anybody regarding the fraud behind bars. This was

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<v Speaker 4>all done by the former US Attorney Joe Thompson. As

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<v Speaker 4>a matter of fact, the one individual that was convicted

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<v Speaker 4>under Attorney General Keith Ellison here in Minnesota was just

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<v Speaker 4>released by an activist judge after a jury convicted them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so now people are wanting.

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<v Speaker 4>An investigation, an investigation of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge because the jury and the jurors.

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<v Speaker 4>Have been interviewed and they're going, I have no idea

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<v Speaker 4>why this judge would have gone and let these fraudsters off.

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<v Speaker 2>We convicted them.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw an interview with some of the people on

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<v Speaker 3>that jury and they said, this wasn't even close. It

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't even like it was like a three hour deliberation,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody was like, guilty, guilty, guilty, And they're stunned

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<v Speaker 3>about this. And I do think that those questions need

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<v Speaker 3>to be asked, because it certainly looks hinky, as they

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<v Speaker 3>say on Scooby Doo. Now, how much of this is

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<v Speaker 3>based on the successful deployment of the race card by

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<v Speaker 3>Somali immigrants who are being charged for these crimes.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this has been it's a really difficult topic to navigate,

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<v Speaker 4>right when you look at the amount of seventy six

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<v Speaker 4>percent of the fraud that we have caught and prosecuted

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<v Speaker 4>has been perpetuated by the Somali community, But it also

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<v Speaker 4>is just a fraction of the Somali community. That being said,

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to stay like autism centers, you have

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<v Speaker 4>families being.

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<v Speaker 2>Bought off in order to have their names, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Names of their children enrolled in these programs so they

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<v Speaker 4>can commit to fraud. So you have this happening within

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<v Speaker 4>the community as well. So the fear has always been

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<v Speaker 4>that and I think the Walls administration and Democrats here

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<v Speaker 4>in Minnesota may have been afraid to actually go after

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<v Speaker 4>these fraudsters when this started to erupt, when the funding,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, increased, requests you know increased, because they were

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<v Speaker 4>worried that they were going to be called racist and

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<v Speaker 4>fraud and racist.

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<v Speaker 2>So they figured, in.

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<v Speaker 4>My estimation, the gamble was when and if this gets exposed,

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<v Speaker 4>it'll be other people that will process it then and

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<v Speaker 4>we won't have to take the heat for being called racists.

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<v Speaker 4>Those other people will be And this is where we're

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<v Speaker 4>at right now. Thankfully with the comments, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>really open and honest comments of Trump even yesterday talking

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<v Speaker 4>about Ilhan Omar and the Somali community here in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether you like what he said or not, it has

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<v Speaker 4>opened up the conversation to continue to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>be frank and allow the conversation being honest about this

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<v Speaker 4>is being perpetuated by a majority of individuals from the

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<v Speaker 4>Somali community, and people have been very, very afraid to

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<v Speaker 4>talk openly about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, as a host, and I'm a host's.

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<v Speaker 4>These are difficult waters to go and navigate because you

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<v Speaker 3>You know, in Colorado, we've imported forty thousand Venezuelans they

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<v Speaker 3>just walked over the southern border during the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 3>And though many of them are here because their country

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<v Speaker 3>sucks and they want to support their family and they

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<v Speaker 3>want to work and do the right thing, we also

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<v Speaker 3>imported a good chunk of nice criminals who have taken

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>But it does. I'm so tired of saying, Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 5>not everyone, but when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Import people from a third world failed society, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>that's why Trump says it's a garbage country, it is

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<v Speaker 3>a garbage country. There's nothing that works in Somalia. Gay

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<v Speaker 3>people are still murdered, there's no functioning government, women don't

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<v Speaker 3>have rights they I mean, there's all of these things

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<v Speaker 3>that make Somalia a garbage society. But ultimately you're also

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<v Speaker 3>importing some of those cultural issues. How much of that

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<v Speaker 3>are you seeing in Minnesota, that clash of.

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<v Speaker 4>Cultures, oh, one hundred percent. And that class of cultures

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<v Speaker 4>actually is embedded within the Somali community itself. There are

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<v Speaker 4>different factions within the Somali community and it may be

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<v Speaker 4>one of the reasons why the Somali candidate Omar Fat

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<v Speaker 4>lost the mayoral election because after now that the election's

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<v Speaker 4>over and Mayor Jacob Fry won re election, the word

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<v Speaker 4>is now that there were there were factions within the

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<v Speaker 4>Somali community that were that were against each other this.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh really, they could they could not agree. So you're

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely right. And let me add something to this, And

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<v Speaker 4>you make a great point with the situation that you're

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with in Colorado with regard to the Venezuelans, we have,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a large you know, immigrant no population here

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<v Speaker 4>of different you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, ethnicities, different, Yeah, of ethnicities.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're not dealing with this with other groups of

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<v Speaker 4>ins We're not dealing with this. You're not seeing this

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<v Speaker 4>to be a systemic problem among all immigrants. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 4>this being a systemic problem within one particular group, which

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<v Speaker 4>speaks to exactly what you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's fascinating and I don't know if you saw it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know if it's true, but holy cow,

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<v Speaker 3>from a talk show host perspective, please let it be

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<v Speaker 3>true that Mike Lindell jumped into the governor's race in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it true?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it true?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>We have like fifteen candidates now that have announced their Well,

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<v Speaker 4>let me just say.

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<v Speaker 3>This, so and I'm leaning in so I could tell

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<v Speaker 3>John this and so no one else can hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though I've already talked about it on the air, John,

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<v Speaker 3>I had Mike Lindell on my show because my producer Anthony,

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<v Speaker 3>who just dropped off the zoom call I might, forced

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<v Speaker 3>me to do the interview. Dude's breath. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>he ate dead bodies before he sat down with me.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He has some serious dental issues, so if you're interviewing,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe off him a mint right when he comes on, Like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>would you like a mint?

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<v Speaker 5>Here's a ticktack? Would you like a tiktak?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Mike's coming on the show any times.

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<v Speaker 4>So that had the opportunity to talk to him in

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<v Speaker 4>the past, and you know, listen, he's had a very

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<v Speaker 4>you know his background, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, his life story is fascinating, fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an incredibly eager guy.

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<v Speaker 4>That being said, he has no business running for office,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's unfortunate because people actually go and get.

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<v Speaker 2>Behind him, and they really really shouldn't. They really shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the guy's had his time and he should

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<v Speaker 2>stick with his pillows.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm wearing his slippers right now, actually, so he should

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<v Speaker 4>stick to making his slippers and his pillows and get

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<v Speaker 4>out of politics.

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<v Speaker 2>But unfortunately, yes, he did say that he was running through.

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<v Speaker 3>One of my Twitter followers did quote, and I did say,

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<v Speaker 5>Don't on Mike Lindell.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, John, justin Twin Cities News Talk. I appreciate your time, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I've just this story's fascinating and I think that this

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<v Speaker 3>is probably being replicated in different parts of the country

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<v Speaker 3>by immigrants who are not here to do the right

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<v Speaker 3>thing and build a better life and take advantage of

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<v Speaker 3>the American dream. And we got to get him out.

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<v Speaker 2>John.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate your time today.

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<v Speaker 3>And I still I was thinking about your former co

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<v Speaker 5>I still miss that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Still miss him, all right, man, John, I'll talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you soon.