Speaker 1: Governors don't get to just talk theoretically. We have to
Speaker 1: solve problems. And I will note it's not just Somali's.
Speaker 1: Minnesota is a generous state. Minnesota's a prosperous days, a
Speaker 1: well run state or triple A bond rated. But that
Speaker 1: attracts criminals. Those people are going to jail. We're doing
Speaker 1: everything we can, but to demonize an entire community on
Speaker 1: the actions of a few, it's lazy. And as you
Speaker 1: heard Senator Kelly say, this president has cut a lot
Speaker 1: of inspector generals. He's cut programs that could help us
Speaker 1: tackle us on.
Speaker 2: So we are we'll take it on.
Speaker 1: We'll put folks in jail. I don't care what your
Speaker 1: nationality is, I don't care who your religion is, your color,
Speaker 1: if you're committing crimes. These are programs that were meant
Speaker 1: to serve students with autism, to housing, and to making
Speaker 1: sure people had enough to eat. There's a reason Minnesota
Speaker 1: ranks as the top lowest childhood poverty, best place for
Speaker 1: children to live. People are taking advantage that they're going
Speaker 1: to prison. That is totally disconnected with demonizing an entire
Speaker 1: group of people who came here fleeing civil war and
Speaker 1: created a vibrant community that makes Minnesota in this country better.
Speaker 1: But that's Donald Trump deflect demonies, come up with no solutions.
Speaker 1: He's not going to help fix anything. On fraud, my god,
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between fraud and corruption, and corruption
Speaker 1: is something he knows about.
Speaker 3: Those are the dulcet tones of Governor Tim Walls from Minnesota.
Speaker 3: And my next guest, who I'm looking at right now
Speaker 3: on our zoom call, is openly shaking his head and
Speaker 3: just you're making a face, John Justice, of what is
Speaker 3: it twin City's news Talk. I want to make sure
Speaker 3: I get that out. Katoka is the station, an iHeart station.
Speaker 3: You can listen online if you want. John, First of all,
Speaker 3: welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4: That clip you played has gotten quite the workout on
Speaker 4: my show this week.
Speaker 3: So I laughed out loud when he said that the
Speaker 3: reason this was happening is because Trump fired inspector generals.
Speaker 3: As if Tim Walls is going to let Trump administration
Speaker 3: inspector generals into the state of Minnesota, it is comically stupid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's our governor actually summed him up perfectly.
Speaker 4: He is comically stoopid the country. The country saw.
Speaker 2: That firsthand last year.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and we were all giddy when he was
Speaker 4: tapped to be Kamala Harris's VP, because the rest of
Speaker 4: the country got to see what a buffoon this guy is. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: what we're dealing with now with the exposure of fraud
Speaker 4: that we've known about for a long time.
Speaker 2: That just didn't make it out.
Speaker 4: We all thought it was going to We all thought
Speaker 4: this was going to become sort of a centerpiece of
Speaker 4: a talking point of walls and he just completely escaped
Speaker 4: scrutiny last year up until these past couple of weeks
Speaker 4: when the dam has just broken loose in Minnesota is
Speaker 4: now the epicenter of the news cycle.
Speaker 3: So I asked John off the air, how long people
Speaker 3: in Minnesota in media have known about the depth of
Speaker 3: this corruption with the welfare system. And we're talking billion
Speaker 3: with a B dollars stolen fraudulently, a lot of which
Speaker 3: went back to fund Somali warlords.
Speaker 5: How long have you guys known about this?
Speaker 4: Well, if you go back to if you start with
Speaker 4: feeding our future, you've got to go back at least
Speaker 4: four years now. Along with feeding our future, we've had
Speaker 4: fraud within the daycare center system and then more recently
Speaker 4: the autism centers, health and Human services.
Speaker 2: But we've known about.
Speaker 4: This fraud being perpetuated for the for the better part
Speaker 4: of four years. It really has just been the dollar
Speaker 4: amount that's been growing and changing. And then of course
Speaker 4: the reporting by City Journal about a week and a
Speaker 4: half ago that went, you know, in depth with those
Speaker 4: multiple credible sources saying that Minnesota taxpayers are basically one
Speaker 4: of the biggest funders of al Shabab in Somalia.
Speaker 2: But we've we've known for years.
Speaker 3: So what's fascinating to me about this story. There's a
Speaker 3: couple of things. Number One, a lot of this money
Speaker 3: is actual federal taxpayer dollars. Let's be real, this is
Speaker 3: not isolated. The Minnesota taxpayer is not the only one
Speaker 3: footing the bill for this, because a lot of these
Speaker 3: were ARPA dollars that were being thrown out out you know,
Speaker 3: like like candy at or parade. And one of the
Speaker 3: other things that I find fascinating is the employees of
Speaker 3: Minnesota's HHS took to Twitter to throw everybody under the bus.
Speaker 3: They were like, we're not taking a hit on this
Speaker 3: we tried to tell the Walls administration, and not only
Speaker 3: did he not help us root out the fraud, he
Speaker 3: retaliated against the whistleblowers.
Speaker 5: Tell me about that part of this.
Speaker 4: Well, what's really interesting about that there's a one account
Speaker 4: that's associated with they say about four hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: different DHS employees. It's a fraction of the number of
Speaker 4: employees within DHS here in Minnesota. They've been blowing the
Speaker 4: whistle on this for a long time, but again, just
Speaker 4: like what we're talking about now, it just simply has
Speaker 4: not gained national attention and barely uplip when it comes to.
Speaker 2: Local news coverage.
Speaker 4: What's interesting about that, though, is I've been receiving phone
Speaker 4: calls for the past year and a half from DHS
Speaker 4: employees anonymously telling me what those DHS employees are now
Speaker 4: getting the attention for when I talk about the fraud
Speaker 4: within the autism centers and the other services that mostly
Speaker 4: pass under the DFL when they had complete control between.
Speaker 2: Twenty three and twenty four here in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: DFL is your Democratic Party, to be clear, because we
Speaker 3: don't have DFL here.
Speaker 5: What does DFL actually stand for?
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember, so Democrat Farmer Labor.
Speaker 3: Okay, So DFL is the Democratic Party in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Continue right, So, and they're not associated with the farmers
Speaker 4: at all anymore. Why did they just carry that moniker
Speaker 4: as a badge of honor.
Speaker 2: So I've had.
Speaker 4: Employees, as we talked about the fraud on the show,
Speaker 4: tried to further expose it. I've had those employees telling
Speaker 4: me John, I work in DHS, we see the red flags,
Speaker 4: We saw the massive increase in the requests of funding
Speaker 4: that just simply is unnatural. We take it to our
Speaker 4: bosses and we get ignored. We say it's being looked at,
Speaker 4: we'll take care of it, or they just say, you
Speaker 4: know what, it's too big for us to deal with,
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. Thanks for giving us the heads up.
Speaker 4: Continue doing a great job. And that's why this whole
Speaker 4: thing has been allowed to perpetuate, because they're simply a
Speaker 4: lack of concern coming from the Walls administration and those
Speaker 4: employees being told ignore what it is you're seeing until
Speaker 4: the problem grew so big that it simply couldn't be
Speaker 4: ignored anymore. And by the way, you got an add
Speaker 4: ons to that billion, it's billions we're talking confirmed two billion,
Speaker 4: but we're looking at upwards of six billion dollars.
Speaker 5: How much is your total budget?
Speaker 2: Oh it's Oh, we're weird. We've blown. We've blown, We've
Speaker 2: blown plat all of that.
Speaker 4: So let me and let me share something with you
Speaker 4: that I just found out today, just a little quick nugget.
Speaker 4: I was just doing prep for tomorrow's show, so I
Speaker 4: haven't had a chance to talk about this on my show.
Speaker 4: We had a twelve billion dollar surplus. Going back to
Speaker 4: the past couple of years now, Walls had said that
Speaker 4: he was going to give that money back to the taxpayer.
Speaker 4: By the tune of thousands. We all got like two
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty.
Speaker 5: Bucks, and you should be grateful for it.
Speaker 2: That money is gone.
Speaker 4: It's been completely wiped out. Like we're looking at deficits
Speaker 4: now for years to come. And now what we're hearing
Speaker 4: is that these deficits that we're dealing with are actually
Speaker 4: potentially directly tied to the fraud that you and I
Speaker 4: are talking about, because we are just at the tip
Speaker 4: of the iceberg of what has been exposed with the
Speaker 4: fraud that has been taking place in here in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: So it turns out that this fraud may have actually
Speaker 4: wiped out that surplus single handedly, which is why that
Speaker 4: money's not there anymore, and we're looking at economic disaster
Speaker 4: in the next couple of years.
Speaker 3: No, we're runn by Democrats too, and we're in the
Speaker 3: same position. So it's not just the fraud, it's also
Speaker 3: the incompetence. John Justice, my guess from Twin City News
Speaker 3: Talk in Minneapolis. So the other part of this story
Speaker 3: that I find just absolutely incredible is that apparently the
Speaker 3: Harris campaign was warned before they chose Tim Walls and
Speaker 3: went with him anyway. What a stunning lack of judgment.
Speaker 3: But you know, we've all seen what Kamlo is all about,
Speaker 3: so it's not that surprising. How did that happen in
Speaker 3: your estimation, here's my.
Speaker 2: Hot take on that.
Speaker 4: That is indicative of the number of individuals that did
Speaker 4: not want to join Kamala Harris's team.
Speaker 2: I think Walls was the last resort.
Speaker 4: I don't think they had a choice.
Speaker 3: She was the only one in the room because he
Speaker 3: stopped to get a snack, and they're like, you're it.
Speaker 4: When you go down the list of the potential picks
Speaker 4: that she could have had, Yeah, you know Shapiro and
Speaker 4: knew some None of those guys, they all knew.
Speaker 2: They all knew it was going to be a disaster.
Speaker 4: Now, Walls, I mean, he was the equivalent of the
Speaker 4: kid on Christmas Morning bouncing down the stairs to the
Speaker 4: Christmas tree where he was asked wearing a bunny costume.
Speaker 5: He was wearing a bunny costume at the same time.
Speaker 4: And I think that he was I think he was
Speaker 4: excited because he was eager at the possibility for as
Speaker 4: slim as it might be, that he that they would
Speaker 4: actually win and he wouldn't have to be governor of
Speaker 4: the state of Minnesota anymore because he knew that this
Speaker 4: was coming down the road, the very thing that we're
Speaker 4: talking about today, Well, you.
Speaker 3: Know, to my point about how did this happen? And
Speaker 3: I think if you go back and watch the entire
Speaker 3: interview with Kristin Welker from Meet the Press, which is
Speaker 3: where that soundbed I played at the beginning of this interview,
Speaker 3: her first question was not about billions of dollars of fraud.
Speaker 3: Her first question was Trump called you a mean name.
Speaker 3: How does that make you feel? How does it make
Speaker 3: you feel? And if that doesn't clearly demonstrate what the
Speaker 3: media is all about. They will never admit that they
Speaker 3: got behind a whack a doodle presidential ticket that was
Speaker 3: thrust upon the world by some cabal of democratic leadership.
Speaker 3: We still don't know, but I just got a text
Speaker 3: message on our text line from this said Mandy asked
Speaker 3: him about the controversy about the Somali that raped the
Speaker 3: twelve year old girl in Minnesota. And I think this
Speaker 3: is a two part question because I just shared the
Speaker 3: story of a guy who raped two women, pleaded out,
Speaker 3: and then raped and kidnapped another woman who appears to
Speaker 3: be of Somali ethnicity perhaps or definitely not from here.
Speaker 3: But what you're the DA situation, the judge situation.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys have a Soros DA as well.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, Hannapen County Attorney Mary Moriarty, she's a
Speaker 4: true social justice religious zealot. I mean, this is her
Speaker 4: religion for her, and she has perpetuated this revolving door
Speaker 4: of criminality.
Speaker 2: Through these social justice policies.
Speaker 4: Now she's not running for reelection now and she's doubling
Speaker 4: She's now doubling down on these policies which keeps putting
Speaker 4: these criminals back on the street. You know you mentioned
Speaker 4: this individual is getting off. We just had a judge
Speaker 4: who had let me back up for just one second.
Speaker 4: If you could, just if you could just bear with me,
Speaker 4: want to back up for onead. So in the clip
Speaker 4: you played, Walls makes the comment of well, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'll take credit for putting people behind bars. He has
Speaker 4: not put anybody regarding the fraud behind bars. This was
Speaker 4: all done by the former US Attorney Joe Thompson. As
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, the one individual that was convicted
Speaker 4: under Attorney General Keith Ellison here in Minnesota was just
Speaker 4: released by an activist judge after a jury convicted them.
Speaker 2: And so now people are wanting.
Speaker 4: An investigation, an investigation of this.
Speaker 2: Judge because the jury and the jurors.
Speaker 4: Have been interviewed and they're going, I have no idea
Speaker 4: why this judge would have gone and let these fraudsters off.
Speaker 2: We convicted them.
Speaker 3: I saw an interview with some of the people on
Speaker 3: that jury and they said, this wasn't even close. It
Speaker 3: wasn't even like it was like a three hour deliberation,
Speaker 3: and everybody was like, guilty, guilty, guilty, And they're stunned
Speaker 3: about this. And I do think that those questions need
Speaker 3: to be asked, because it certainly looks hinky, as they
Speaker 3: say on Scooby Doo. Now, how much of this is
Speaker 3: based on the successful deployment of the race card by
Speaker 3: Somali immigrants who are being charged for these crimes.
Speaker 4: Well, this has been it's a really difficult topic to navigate,
Speaker 4: right when you look at the amount of seventy six
Speaker 4: percent of the fraud that we have caught and prosecuted
Speaker 4: has been perpetuated by the Somali community, But it also
Speaker 4: is just a fraction of the Somali community. That being said,
Speaker 4: when it comes to stay like autism centers, you have
Speaker 4: families being.
Speaker 2: Bought off in order to have their names, the.
Speaker 4: Names of their children enrolled in these programs so they
Speaker 4: can commit to fraud. So you have this happening within
Speaker 4: the community as well. So the fear has always been
Speaker 4: that and I think the Walls administration and Democrats here
Speaker 4: in Minnesota may have been afraid to actually go after
Speaker 4: these fraudsters when this started to erupt, when the funding,
Speaker 4: you know, increased, requests you know increased, because they were
Speaker 4: worried that they were going to be called racist and
Speaker 4: fraud and racist.
Speaker 2: So they figured, in.
Speaker 4: My estimation, the gamble was when and if this gets exposed,
Speaker 4: it'll be other people that will process it then and
Speaker 4: we won't have to take the heat for being called racists.
Speaker 4: Those other people will be And this is where we're
Speaker 4: at right now. Thankfully with the comments, you know, the
Speaker 4: really open and honest comments of Trump even yesterday talking
Speaker 4: about Ilhan Omar and the Somali community here in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Whether you like what he said or not, it has
Speaker 4: opened up the conversation to continue to be able to
Speaker 4: be frank and allow the conversation being honest about this
Speaker 4: is being perpetuated by a majority of individuals from the
Speaker 4: Somali community, and people have been very, very afraid to
Speaker 4: talk openly about that.
Speaker 2: And you know, as a host, and I'm a host's.
Speaker 4: These are difficult waters to go and navigate because you
Speaker 4: want to talk factually about these issues.
Speaker 3: You know, in Colorado, we've imported forty thousand Venezuelans they
Speaker 3: just walked over the southern border during the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: And though many of them are here because their country
Speaker 3: sucks and they want to support their family and they
Speaker 3: want to work and do the right thing, we also
Speaker 3: imported a good chunk of nice criminals who have taken
Speaker 3: over apartment buildings and murdered people and broken you know,
Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 5: But it does. I'm so tired of saying, Okay, it's
Speaker 5: not everyone, but when you.
Speaker 3: Import people from a third world failed society, right, And
Speaker 3: that's why Trump says it's a garbage country, it is
Speaker 3: a garbage country. There's nothing that works in Somalia. Gay
Speaker 3: people are still murdered, there's no functioning government, women don't
Speaker 3: have rights they I mean, there's all of these things
Speaker 3: that make Somalia a garbage society. But ultimately you're also
Speaker 3: importing some of those cultural issues. How much of that
Speaker 3: are you seeing in Minnesota, that clash of.
Speaker 4: Cultures, oh, one hundred percent. And that class of cultures
Speaker 4: actually is embedded within the Somali community itself. There are
Speaker 4: different factions within the Somali community and it may be
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why the Somali candidate Omar Fat
Speaker 4: lost the mayoral election because after now that the election's
Speaker 4: over and Mayor Jacob Fry won re election, the word
Speaker 4: is now that there were there were factions within the
Speaker 4: Somali community that were that were against each other this.
Speaker 4: Oh really, they could they could not agree. So you're
Speaker 4: absolutely right. And let me add something to this, And
Speaker 4: you make a great point with the situation that you're
Speaker 4: dealing with in Colorado with regard to the Venezuelans, we have,
Speaker 4: you know, a large you know, immigrant no population here
Speaker 4: of different you.
Speaker 2: Know, ethnicities, different, Yeah, of ethnicities.
Speaker 4: And we're not dealing with this with other groups of
Speaker 4: ins We're not dealing with this. You're not seeing this
Speaker 4: to be a systemic problem among all immigrants. We're seeing
Speaker 4: this being a systemic problem within one particular group, which
Speaker 4: speaks to exactly what you were talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, it's fascinating and I don't know if you saw it,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if it's true, but holy cow,
Speaker 3: from a talk show host perspective, please let it be
Speaker 3: true that Mike Lindell jumped into the governor's race in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Is it true?
Speaker 5: Is it true?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: We have like fifteen candidates now that have announced their Well,
Speaker 4: let me just say.
Speaker 3: This, so and I'm leaning in so I could tell
Speaker 3: John this and so no one else can hear it.
Speaker 3: Even though I've already talked about it on the air, John,
Speaker 3: I had Mike Lindell on my show because my producer Anthony,
Speaker 3: who just dropped off the zoom call I might, forced
Speaker 3: me to do the interview. Dude's breath. It was like
Speaker 3: he ate dead bodies before he sat down with me.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: He has some serious dental issues, so if you're interviewing,
Speaker 3: maybe off him a mint right when he comes on, Like, hey,
Speaker 3: would you like a mint?
Speaker 5: Here's a ticktack? Would you like a tiktak?
Speaker 2: I don't think Mike's coming on the show any times.
Speaker 4: So that had the opportunity to talk to him in
Speaker 4: the past, and you know, listen, he's had a very
Speaker 4: you know his background, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his life story is fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 2: He's an incredibly eager guy.
Speaker 4: That being said, he has no business running for office,
Speaker 4: and it's unfortunate because people actually go and get.
Speaker 2: Behind him, and they really really shouldn't. They really shouldn't.
Speaker 2: You know, the guy's had his time and he should
Speaker 2: stick with his pillows.
Speaker 4: I'm wearing his slippers right now, actually, so he should
Speaker 4: stick to making his slippers and his pillows and get
Speaker 4: out of politics.
Speaker 2: But unfortunately, yes, he did say that he was running through.
Speaker 3: One of my Twitter followers did quote, and I did say,
Speaker 3: and I quote.
Speaker 5: Don't on Mike Lindell.
Speaker 3: Anyway, John, justin Twin Cities News Talk. I appreciate your time, man,
Speaker 3: I've just this story's fascinating and I think that this
Speaker 3: is probably being replicated in different parts of the country
Speaker 3: by immigrants who are not here to do the right
Speaker 3: thing and build a better life and take advantage of
Speaker 3: the American dream. And we got to get him out.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 5: I appreciate your time today.
Speaker 3: And I still I was thinking about your former co
Speaker 3: hosts yesterday.
Speaker 5: I still miss that guy.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Still miss him, all right, man, John, I'll talk to
Speaker 3: you soon.