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Visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.000 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through the here 26 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:20.079 over the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence and they would dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Happen? What are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.480 enough out here looking. I'm new to window now and 34 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.040 I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. 35 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:12.199 Just fin Hello, hit the boddy out here? What went 36 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 on out there? I've thought of a bit of about 37 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.439 second nine. I don't know. Easy out there. Yeah, I'm 38 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:18.199 walking right head. 39 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:20.919 Folks. Want to welcome my guest to the show. It 40 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.919 is Dave from Kansas. Welcome to the show man. 41 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:24.840 Thanks for having me on. 42 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:26.800 Yea, I've been looking forward to this, so let's get 43 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:28.599 right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What 44 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.439 guy you interested in the subject. To begin with, when 45 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.199 my older daughter was really young, I was at home 46 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.719 changing diapers and taking care of her. I was going 47 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.800 to stay at home dad for a short period of 48 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:42.039 time to have lots of time to do research online. 49 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.360 I found the Humphreys incident. I'm not sure if you're 50 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.639 familiar with that. It was the alleged killing of a 51 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:52.039 bigfoot in Ownaby, Oklahoma. I researched everything I could find about. 52 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:55.080 It seemed like this is a real event, it really happened. 53 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.719 So I contacted some people and locals down there, and 54 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:03.280 I went down there, talked to locals, police, sheriffs. There 55 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.560 was a guy from Homeland Security there at the time. 56 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.919 We went camping on an outing for another two nights. 57 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:11.960 After I got down there, I was down there for 58 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:16.400 three days. Southeast Oklahoma, that's like north of Beaver Bend, 59 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.319 outside of Big Cedar, Oklahoma. That's where most of the 60 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:25.719 habituations are. My experience, in short, was basically walking along 61 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:27.919 a tree line with a group of guys and we 62 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.000 were all spread out and I could hear like the 63 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.919 sound of branches breaking and heavy feet, rocks hitting the ground. 64 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:37.599 You could hear something walking that was heavy. If the 65 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.039 horse was approaching you in the dark in the woods, 66 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.479 or you're gonna hear the hoofs hit the clay and 67 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:44.199 hit the dirt and the rocks and stuff. You know 68 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:48.319 what it is. But this was very large animal, completely black, 69 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.800 all blacked out. I approached it. I was probably with 70 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.159 ten about five to seven feet of it. It started 71 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:00.199 making like gibberish noise that over and over. I backed away. 72 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.120 It backed away from there. On the experiences night after 73 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.360 night as we were there over the three day period, 74 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.199 we're pretty much supernatural. When we would go out walking 75 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:12.879 along these other tree lines. This is just south of 76 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:16.160 a big cedar, Oklahoma, in the middle of nowhere in 77 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.959 the woods, you would see tree branches just bend over 78 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.560 ninety degrees and then snap and then go back up 79 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:26.480 again when there's nothing there. I brought a buddy of mine, 80 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.519 Mark with me down there to be a witness to 81 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.839 experience this, and the whole night was nothing but almost 82 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.879 like games of rock throwing, and these like tree branches 83 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.839 being smashed lost in the distance, and you don't see 84 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.720 any kind of creature there. They're like seemingly invisible. I 85 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.519 don't know how else to describe it. If you can 86 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.920 imagine like a bowl running through the woods. The damage 87 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:53.160 it does you see, but the creature itself you don't. 88 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:57.360 That's what we experienced night after night, violent tree shaking, 89 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.279 like we would approach a tree like a small pine, 90 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:03.199 and it would shake just violently like this, like for 91 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:07.240 ten seconds and then stop. So I don't know what 92 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:11.920 they are, but Arla, the woman in a Flash of Beauty. 93 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:13.800 I don't know if you've seen the documentary of Flash 94 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.639 of Beauty, the woman Arlae is the one that took 95 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.759 me into the woods, so I know her personally. I 96 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:22.319 have her email address and herself soone number. I can 97 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.560 send it to you if you ever want to contact her. 98 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:29.839 But she's the gateway to experience for whatever they are. 99 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:33.920 They're not an ape. There's some kind of like shadow creature. 100 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:37.040 They can move and be seen or be unseen, but 101 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.839 when they're seen, they're just black. They're just like a dark, 102 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:45.040 like super dark black shadow. We had night vision goggles 103 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:46.720 one of the nice we were out there and you 104 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.680 could see them looking at you. They were peeking behind 105 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:52.279 trees looking like this and trying to block themselves with 106 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:54.120 a tree, and you could see a head come out 107 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:57.279 and come back again. They seem to be as interested 108 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.279 in us as we are them. I don't feel that 109 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.160 they're a danger. That's my experience, and that was nearly 110 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:07.360 ten years ago, and from then on I've done a 111 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.040 little more research. The only conclusion I can come to 112 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.199 is that there's like a scale of one to ten. 113 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:18.000 One being literally like a monkey that's digging in the trash, 114 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.480 because there are plenty of reports of these creatures and 115 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:25.360 trash cans. That's one of the most common. Actually, Then 116 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.800 a ten being like a supernatural creature that can disappear 117 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.279 into the wood and then reappears a black shadow, and 118 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.199 then scale that up and down, and you find throughout 119 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:38.000 reports all over the country, all over the world. That's 120 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:39.839 what it's like. I don't know what else to say. 121 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:42.360 There's a guy in Louisiana that was hiding in a 122 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.680 trash can loaded to the hilt with pistols. He was 123 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.759 determined to kill the thing because he was going to 124 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.319 prove it and he would see this what he described 125 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.439 as an orangutang digging in the trash can every day. 126 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:57.959 Outside of his house. He had some type small dumpster 127 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.399 that he got inside of and jumped out. I've heard 128 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:04.519 reports you wouldn't believe, but are incredibly believable. And these 129 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.800 people were sincere. They don't have any reason to make 130 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.360 it up now. The Carol Johnston ordeal, I don't know 131 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:12.920 if you know about Carol Johnson and what went down 132 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:16.839 in Holden, Missouri is one of the more interesting investigations 133 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.800 I've done lately. You can find it on Reddit. I 134 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.279 wrote a page on it. The YouTube blanks are all there. 135 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:26.399 Carol Johnson, Holden, Missouri, Bigfoot. Lock it up on the internet. 136 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.360 You'll find it. There was a lot of responses on 137 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.720 Reddit about it. I got threatened by the family to 138 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.399 stay away from the property. It got really nasty and 139 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.959 wild for a moment, but no harm, no foul. We 140 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.319 just investigated it. It was part of the William jeb 141 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:43.720 Ming show It's a Creek Devil podcast. She was a 142 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.759 guest on there, and I did some research and found 143 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.879 out where she was living and where the property was. 144 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:50.839 And here's what's interesting about it is I talked to 145 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.879 the neighbors. One of them said, no, we've never seen 146 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:58.240 any bigfoot here. Another property that was about two hundred 147 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.800 feet down the road around the corner. They run a 148 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:04.920 plumbing company they called the phone number, and the woman answered, 149 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.319 I think it's the wife of the plumber. They have 150 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.839 a small farm there. I said, I know this is weird, 151 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.240 but I have a question for you. Have you ever 152 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:16.920 seen any bigfoot or sasquatch activity out here? And she 153 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.399 was silent for thirty seconds. She told me that her 154 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.959 dad was working a job in North Kansas City and 155 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.759 he was getting up at four in the morning to 156 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.319 drive in and he had multiple sightings of these things 157 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.080 running across the road, sometimes with small animals in their hands. 158 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.480 She told me that to this day, they still have 159 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.759 small calves and piglets and stuff that go missing, and 160 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.320 they just seemingly disappeared. If you were a crime scene investigator, 161 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.960 just would really tell you something that there really was 162 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.120 something going on the property. But it drove Carol Johnson 163 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.879 and her mother completely insane. If you listen to their story, 164 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:59.039 it is the most wild, burzure bigfoot story ever. It 165 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.240 takes the cave man. This woman needs an Emmy if 166 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:06.919 she's making this up. But they were completely terrorized by 167 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.159 a couple of these creatures. And they were living down 168 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.440 in a creek behind their trailer in the woods. Eh, 169 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.679 it's a hum dinger Man, it's something else. But fifteen 170 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.240 years or so of investigating this, I looked for the 171 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:23.600 what's the most sincere and believable situation? And when these 172 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:26.279 people actually were driven out of their home by these 173 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.000 creatures and they're claiming this, that's got to be looked into. 174 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.480 I don't know what to think of it anymore, but 175 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.639 there's an extensive Reddit page on it. You can go 176 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:37.320 read all about it in my report I made when 177 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:38.879 I went out to the property. 178 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.679 I'm not familiar with that story. I was actually looking 179 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:43.960 on read it as you were talking. I'll probably find 180 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.039 that I will incorporate it somehow into this episode. Can 181 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:51.279 you give us the gist of the story, the overview, 182 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:55.480 maybe the abridged version of the story, how it started 183 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:57.519 for them, what they were going through, and then what 184 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:58.960 you found during your investigation. 185 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:03.120 Yeah, she called into the William Jebming show. It's the 186 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.480 Creek Devil podcast, you know what I'm talking about, and 187 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:10.320 she was rantic. She called in and they answered on 188 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:16.679 a Blive podcast. She was freaking out, crying hysterically about 189 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:21.360 being absolutely terrorized by these creatures. They were leaving dead 190 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.679 animals on the front doorstep. They were banging on the 191 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.559 side of the trailer. I put a map on Reddit 192 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.840 where the exact little location dot of exactly where this 193 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.480 trailer was. She was back on the William Jennings show again. 194 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:38.679 At some point I actually met her in person. I 195 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.240 looked up public records and found it that she was 196 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.559 living in a home inside of Holding, Missouri, and so 197 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.080 I went by and she was in the backyard. She 198 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.159 was like water in her plants. And I walked up 199 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:50.279 to her and I said, hey, I'm Dave. I heard 200 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.679 your story on William Jebning and Creek Devil, and she 201 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.080 just dropped the hose. It was like, my God, she 202 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.720 was staying and healthy. I really don't think she'sking it up. 203 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.159 I don't know, but I met her in person. So 204 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.200 they claim they were completely and totally driven out of 205 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.440 their home and being terrorized by the creatures. There was 206 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.120 at least two or three of them. Apparently a neighbor 207 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.799 had a horse go missing. I don't know, but I 208 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:17.919 talked to as many neighbors as I could to try 209 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.360 to do as much research. But the plumbing company one 210 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.440 was that's something else. Man. You got two witnesses, you 211 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:25.840 got people claiming that they see him running across the 212 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.240 road at four o'clock in the morning. There's also a 213 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.879 big fishery operation out there that's open. There's no fences 214 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.679 or anything. So as far as the habituation site, it 215 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:37.919 looked pretty good to me, Like, you know, something could 216 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.759 definitely survive to live out there if it could eat 217 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.559 raw fish and attack deer and steel piglets and stuff. 218 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.279 I mean, it's a believable habituation site. Now we did 219 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:50.960 find a kill site, okay, So what they do is 220 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.919 they get up in trees and they'll bait deer and 221 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.639 then they'll fall through the tree and then crush the animal. 222 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:00.360 So myself and my buddy Matteo, we have photograph of 223 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.240 kill sites that we found where the legs have been 224 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.000 just snapped in half. Is if you hit them with 225 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:08.639 a hammer. And what they're doing is they're taking their 226 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:12.000 heels and they're smashing the legs of the deer after 227 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.679 they come down, and so they can't run off. We 228 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:17.919 think that they leave them there then come back and 229 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:21.039 get them. But I have a I continue photographs of 230 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:24.039 a pretty fresh kill site. You also rip the hide 231 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:27.519 off all at once like this, and you always find 232 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.679 the skin and then you find leg bounds that are 233 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:31.759 just smashed the pieces and they pretty much eat the 234 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.679 rest of the animal or it disappears, or you find 235 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.360 that like deer skulls piled up in the woods. Ava, 236 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.000 Missouri was interesting. There was a lot of rocks throwing 237 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.720 going on down there. You could hear creatures moving around, 238 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:47.120 but not much else. It's one of the spookiest habituation 239 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.519 sites I've been to in a long time. There's National 240 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.039 Forest area that's closed off to the public down there. 241 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.639 That's massive. It's six hundred some acres. I wonder why 242 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:59.159 they were with the public in there. I drove around 243 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.799 it completely and every cattle guard gate, everything is locked 244 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.519 up and it's National Force. We're supposed to be able 245 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.759 to access that, but we can't get to it. I guess, 246 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.879 you know. But like I said, I don't know exactly 247 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.919 what they are. I just know what they do and 248 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.039 what they don't. I've been on a few other podcasts 249 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:19.600 about the possibility of capturing one. I have some ideas 250 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.399 on doing that. It's basically setting up a small cabin 251 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.840 that has a door that can lock and you can't 252 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.240 get out of, that has a cage built inside of it, 253 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.559 but they're pretty smart. They're not going to go into 254 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.879 something they think is knowingly a trap. But again, that 255 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.600 scale of one to ten, we got creatures digging in 256 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:41.039 dumpsters for food, and then they're also paranormal and can disappear. 257 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.200 Wait a minute, there's got to be a scale of 258 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:48.200 their capability or of a set of genes that's more advanced. 259 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.919 Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Theories can just fly. 260 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.159 I have no idea, but I just know that's what 261 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.639 years of research and listening to reports and talking to 262 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:01.440 people that actually see these things claim to communicate with him. 263 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:05.120 One of the most harrowing stories I've ever heard was 264 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.360 a guy that was working in his garden down in 265 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:12.600 southeast Oklahoma. He's a former arson investigator, and I interviewed 266 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.799 him and he was crying with his wife sitting on 267 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.639 the couch, telling the story about how this juvenile just 268 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.799 walked up to him and stuck its hand out. There 269 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.600 was a family group that was watching it, and it 270 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:27.720 turned and ran away. I don't know why this guy 271 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:31.039 would make all this all. He's a former arson investigator 272 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.960 for insurance company, he's retired, and he's just a gardener 273 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:38.879 in Oklahoma. I witnessed this firsthand, talking to him in 274 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.039 his home. Can we all be crazy? I don't think so. 275 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:45.840 But we're dealing with a variation of some kind of 276 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.600 some creatures that have paranormal capability of some kind, and 277 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:52.799 others that need to liberally dig in the dumpster. One 278 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.919 of the most common sightings that I found around the Ownabee, 279 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:01.000 Oklahoma area was near the trash dum. 280 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.679 Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be 281 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.000 right back after these messages. 282 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.240 And that was interesting too. There's a guy that claimed 283 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:14.879 and seen one near the trash dump It was walking 284 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:18.960 back and forth. There is other reports I've found online BFRO. 285 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:22.919 There is just filled with reports in that area. Can 286 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.279 we all be crazy? I doubt it. I think we 287 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.840 know what we see, we know what's going on. I 288 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:28.240 don't know. 289 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.679 Yeah, I hear you, man. I'm documented at this point. 290 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.399 I'm almost six hundred episodes into this podcast. I probably 291 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:36.879 interviewed a thousand or more people in person over the 292 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:42.480 last few years. You're right, experiences vary from what seems 293 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:44.679 to be a very flush and blood creature doing very 294 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:48.440 flesh and blood things too, not so flesh and blood 295 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:51.759 experiences that people have with this, and it's been very 296 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.200 difficult for me as somebody who's very interested in the subject. 297 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.639 I'm a pretty scientific guy. I take a scientific approach 298 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.360 to everything. I'm an Ockham's razor kind of fella. Spent 299 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.559 a lot of years in law enforcement, so my brain 300 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:05.840 works very much like a cop still to this day. 301 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.039 I got to see the evidence. I did have my 302 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.799 experiences last year where I got to see these things 303 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.039 multiple times over the course of a few days. 304 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:15.320 What did you see them? 305 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.639 I really can't get into that because for people who 306 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:20.440 listen to the show, they know that I'm still under 307 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:22.679 an NBA because we were filming a documentary at the 308 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.679 time that I had these encounters, and until that comes out, 309 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:28.919 hopefully within as we record this, I'm hoping it will 310 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:31.559 be out at some point in March, and I should 311 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.480 be able to fully go into those encounters. But I've 312 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.679 talked about this before and I'll tell you about it now. 313 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:40.879 One of the weirdest things during that three day stretch 314 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:46.360 was seeing glowing white eyes, two sets of glowing white 315 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:48.879 eyes in the briddle of the woods. I can't tell 316 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.039 you countless people have told me about self illuminating eyes 317 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:56.159 that they've experienced in their encounters, and frankly, I thought 318 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:57.879 they were full of shit. I really thought they were 319 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:00.679 full of shit because I thought, how can these creatures 320 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.720 have glowing eyes? And guess what I saw with my 321 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.960 own eyes, two sets of glowing white eyes. So there's 322 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.119 something going on with these creatures that I haven't been 323 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.240 able to put my finger on. I am a flesh 324 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.759 and blood kind of guy, but I keep my mind 325 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.039 open to those other experiences because I've learned over the 326 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.440 last couple of years of doing this people that are 327 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.880 out there like me who's very flesh and blood, my 328 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.799 buddy Cliff Berrickman, very flesh and blood when it comes 329 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.279 to research, Jeff Meldrum, all these scientific people who take 330 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.960 this kind of approach. Then you have the Tom Powells 331 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.400 of the world, you have the late Henry Franzonis of 332 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.000 the world, and these people that are way more open 333 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.799 to the high strangeness part of these encounters. And I've 334 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.599 found over the last couple of years it's the best 335 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.079 approach for me is I keep going out and looking 336 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:52.039 for these things in a flesh and blood way. I 337 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.559 put up trail cams, I leave out audio recorders. I 338 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.440 do all the things right that people do in bigfoot research. 339 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:59.920 I still beat on trees on occasion with my not 340 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.039 but I also come together with these people like Tom 341 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.599 Powell and some of these other folks that have a 342 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:09.000 more high strangeness approach to these creatures because I think 343 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.279 we learn from each other. We have a beer, we 344 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.319 sit down and talk about what we think we know, 345 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.039 and we learn from each other. So I am completely 346 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:19.720 open to that. Here's the thing about habituation sites that 347 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:21.400 I have found, and I want to ask you this 348 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.799 question because it seems like you deal with her. I 349 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:25.480 have dealt with a lot of these over the last 350 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:30.839 decade plus. My problem with habituation sites is the lack 351 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:34.799 of are the appearance of a lack of evidence of 352 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:39.000 their experiences. Pretty Much everybody's familiar with Janis Carter, the 353 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:42.039 fifty years with Bigfoot Saga, her and Mary Green, their 354 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.799 book they co authored, and all of the podcasts and 355 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.440 things that have been done over the course of the 356 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.279 last probably ten years to document those encounters. But if 357 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.720 you say, where's the evidence, Janis, there's a handful of 358 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:02.119 photographs that are subjective. They are a paradolia at best 359 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.200 in my opinion, and it seems to be very little. 360 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:07.759 I've interviewed several people over the last couple of years 361 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.359 that have habituation sites that I'll say, hey, you're baby 362 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:14.359 sitting these things kids. Basically, there's situations where a ladies 363 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.839 said they would bring their toddlers and they would play 364 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.759 in her backyard. You got to have photographs, You got 365 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:21.960 to have video of this. Oh yeah, I've got tons. 366 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.759 They send you thirty photos and every single one of 367 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:26.359 them is a stick, leaf and a tree and it's 368 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.200 all blurry. So I have never been able to fully 369 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.839 vet and document what people have claimed to be a 370 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.920 habituation site where they're coexisting with these creatures. How have 371 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.960 you found that in your research? Outside of having experiences 372 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.279 there and just believing the person that you're talking to, 373 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.319 have you seen evidence that has been presented to you 374 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.680 by these people that claim to have these habituation sites 375 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:51.839 that would convince you beyond a shadow of a doubt 376 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.880 that their experience and what they say they are Yeah, 377 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:55.079 I have. 378 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.680 It was a photograph of a juvenile that was sitting 379 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.599 by a log. It was with Arla and her team. 380 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:04.680 She had three or four people that she was working 381 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.920 with Choptaw Indians and ceremonies and stuff like that they 382 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:09.880 do before they go out in the woods and try 383 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:12.640 to communicate with them. It was clear as day and 384 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:15.119 it's not online. It's not something you can find on 385 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:17.400 Google or they internet. They have it in a book. 386 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.759 They also had a picture of a skull that they 387 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:23.440 had found that The audio recordings that just so many 388 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:25.920 you couldn't listen to all of them. I'll listen to 389 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.319 a number of them, and the teeth chattering and the 390 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:34.559 weird whistling and other types of stuff, definitely communicating. One 391 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.519 of the weirdest ones was when we had regrouped, there 392 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:40.319 was about five of us on would say probably Saturday 393 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.279 night when I was down there. We came upon this 394 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:46.720 really dark ridge and got out of the truck and 395 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.480 just walked up and silent and stood there, and it 396 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.279 sounded like there was a dozen owls that coodd all 397 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.759 at once, and owls don't typically travel in flocks, and 398 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.640 we thought that was really odd, but it was all 399 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.160 at once. It was easily like ten to twelve quote 400 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:06.720 unquote owls, But we don't know what they are. It's paranormal. 401 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.160